Judge: Ga. seeks ‘climate of hostility, fear, mistrust, insecurity’
U.S. District Judge Thomas Thrash has blocked enforcement of the most aggressive law enforcement provisions of Georgia’s new illegal immigration law, ruling that they interfere with federal responsibilities to enforce immigration law.
“The [state’s} claim that the new criminal statutes will prevent exploitation of illegal aliens is gross hypocrisy,” Thrash concluded. “The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.”
That’s pretty much on the nose. And while the judge didn’t offer a conclusion about whether such a goal was good or bad, he did rule that such steps, if they are taken, must be taken by the federal government, not by the states. As a result, “state and local law enforcement officers and officials have no authorization to arrest, detain or prosecute anyone based upon Sections 7 and 8 of HB 87 while this injunction remains in effect.”
However, 21 other sections of the law will go into effect July 1.
In a footnote in his ruling, Thrash pointed out an affidavit filed by Lewis Smith, a 23-year veteran of law enforcement in Georgia and the police chief of the small town of Uvalda. According to Thrash, Smith’s statement “outlines the problems that rural, small town Georgia law enforcement officers will have in trying to enforce Section 8.”
Smith’s statement does that, and a lot more.
“This is going to be devastating to my community and to many other areas of rural Georgia,” the chief’s affidavit reads. “I believe this law will open the door to racial profiling if it is implemented. There are a lot of good police officers, but there are some bad ones out there too, and if the bad ones don’t like Hispanics, for whatever reason, they will have the ability to try to verify that person’s immigration status. I believe that officers in many small towns will rely on physical appearance or way of talking (accent) to determine whether to stop someone and attempt to verify the person’s immigration status.”
Smith also explained the burden that enforcing HB 87 would place on him and other law enforcement officers. After talking with fellow officers, he said, he has come to the conclusion that “police officers in many towns will feel compelled to always exercise their authority to ask about immigration status, making many communities less safe and stretching already thin police forces to their limit.”
In Smith’s case, he is the lone officer in Uvalda, a town of 600 in southeast Georgia. The closest jail is 40 miles away in Soperton, which means that transporting a suspected illegal immigrant to jail, booking the person and returning home would pull Smith off patrol for at least two hours and 15 minutes.
“Because Uvalda is such a small town, everyone in town knows when I’ve left town, and the criminal element often takes advantage of this time to commit crimes,” he told the court.
And about that criminal element?
“The criminal element in Uvalda does not include the population HB 87 targets. In Uvalda, even though we are a small town, we have a big prescription drug problem resulting in break-ins, burglaries and even suicides.” The Hispanics in his town, on the other hand, “are law-abiding people. They have family and kids.”
“In small towns like Uvalda,” Smith told the court, “life is more personal. As chief, I get to know people for who they are, rather than just a statistic or a word such as ‘illegal.’ The immigrants in my community have children, and they just need a chance, just like everyone else does.”
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Gandalf the Wise
June 28th, 2011
1:49 am
I think when you profile crimminals it’s called crimminal profiling. I think they should arrest the dean of the Kennisaw state for allowing that crimminal girl to finish her education.
Gandalf the Wise
June 28th, 2011
1:54 am
Barry should hire all the illegals to build that fence down south, then close the door on them!
JKL2
June 28th, 2011
1:57 am
Gandalf-
College is a business you the Demwits are all preaching “punish the one’s who hire them”. By knowingly let an illegal go there, he should be doing time. Ted Kennedy is turning over in his grave as we speak…
captguitarman
June 28th, 2011
2:36 am
Did you all hear that huge sigh of relief today? I think it came from under the Dome and from the Governor’s mansion. Those boys just might have just missed a bullet. But, that will be true only if all the illegal crop pickers come back to save the summer and late summer crops. They may not. They might still be on the fence. But maybe the gool ol’ boys can do some bidness and keep Georgia farmers from plowing millions upon millions of dollars worth of crops under this year. But, with a Federal judge involved, bidness won’t be so easy to do since the Feds have, let us say, different standards for doin’ bidness. Here’s a flash for Georgia’s citizens. The United States government cannot, and is not going to successfully deport 12 million illegal immigrants. It has gone on way, way too long to change, and it is just not going to happen. Not only would it hurt them, it would hurt this nation. The focus now needs to be on a program that creates guest worker privileges and more importantly, pathways to citizenship that weed out the criminal element and reward hard working, tax and social security paying illegals trying to create a better life here for their families. Myopic good ol’ boys who can’t see one inch in front of their own faces, focused on their own pocket books and the interests of those who keep them in office and maintain their lifestyles, are not going to anything but try to scare the illegals into other states, while stupidly gutting a major Georgia econonic engine – agriculture. In short, they are short sighted and not up to the task of this kind of long term sensible thinking. Today, the farmers are suffering, but that kind of thing can spread quickly. Geprgia state tjat once had such huge promise, but falling behind other New South staes and now in decline. The airlines are on their collective asses. Hartsfield alone cannot save us. The people of Gawga sure do have the gubmint they deserve, and then some.
joe suggs
June 28th, 2011
6:24 am
The federal Government refuses to stop illegals from invading our country . The Federal Courts refuse to allow the states to do it .The only mistrust that I have is with the social activist judges and Obama the clown. Let the illegals live with you Bookman.
Normal
June 28th, 2011
6:43 am
Good, good morning to all y’all!
A couple of political funnies…
http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2011/06/27/political-pictures-sarah-palin-meeting-in-progress/
and…Charts!!!
http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2011/06/27/political-pictures-the-data-was-unsurprising/
Normal
June 28th, 2011
6:47 am
And now…
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/06/28/funny-pictures-light-travels-faster/
And just for USinUK…
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/06/28/funny-pictures-unhappy-cat-in-basket/
The Morning Links (6/28) | From the Desk of Lady Liberty
June 28th, 2011
7:09 am
[...] the majority (all the useful parts) of the Immigration law passed there. We’ve got another Liberal Activist Judge here folks: “The [state’s} claim that the new criminal statutes will prevent exploitation of illegal aliens [...]
Independent
June 28th, 2011
7:13 am
I believe given the crime risk from 2010, the sheriff wouldn’t have to step foot out of the donut shop except to go home to sleep. There is no pharmacy in Uvalda, so the they’re going to steal the Oxycontin hysteria can be put to rest.
2010 Crime Rate Indexes Uvalda, GA Georgia United States
Uvalda GA US
Total Crime Risk 8 114 100
Murder Risk 18 113 100
Rape Risk 5 79 100
Robbery Risk 1 112 100
Assault Risk 5 89 100
Burglary Risk 4 122 100
Larceny Risk 3 123 100
MVeh Theft Risk 0 119 100
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
7:18 am
“climate of hostility, fear, mistrust, insecurity’
So what’s new?
Independent
June 28th, 2011
8:02 am
“climate of hostility, fear, mistrust, insecurity’
So what’s new? Actually very little,
Sounds like the Dems and their typical Mediscare tactics at election time.
Larry
June 28th, 2011
8:05 am
So according to the judge, the right “to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave ” is a right reserved to the federal government. Makes sense to me, now all we need is a federal government willing to enforce the law.
Normal
June 28th, 2011
8:11 am
The DREAM Act was the best hope to lessen the Illegals problem.
A good effort to bring the children of Illegals into the mainstream through education or military service, making them good law abiding, tax paying citizens. It was probably the only Republican (McCain) bills I endorsed. But, unfortunately, as soon as President Obama said he was for it, the Republicans bailed.
We need the DREAM act and other programs just like it to help mitigate this problem. It IS the right thing to do.
stives
June 28th, 2011
8:16 am
One thing we know, the suspreme court might shoot-down every state law pertaining to immigration and all people who are here in these United States illegally. A federal law must be inactive if immigration laws has to have any federal oversight. It must not just sit on the backburner as it has been for years without being addressed at the federal level and not acted upon. If anyone, no matter race, nationality, you must file for immigration status in the country where you were born; you must not imposed upon U.S. soil unless you went through the process and have been become a naturalized citizen. One day, you will get caught and have to go back and start the process over and it takes years………but those who have done it are now citizens. Bottom Line!
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
8:22 am
Independent
Mediscare? Seriously?
I bid 2 death panels, 1 gay agenda and a handful of Islamophobia.
Normal
June 28th, 2011
8:24 am
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
8:22 am
Call it like it is
June 28th, 2011
8:25 am
“The Hispanics in his town, on the other hand, “are law-abiding people. They have family and kids.”
Well Sheriff, that statement sums it all up. They should have nothing to worry about then, if in fact they are “law-abiding people” as you state.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
8:25 am
Where is the outrage in this? If this was Bush, what would the media be saying?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/06/27/dinner_with_obama_now_includes_joe_biden.html
NRO’s Jim Geraghty raises the question of whether Barack Obama filmed a video for his reelection campaign in the White House, which may possibly be a violation of federal election laws.
In the video, President Obama promotes a “Dinner With Barack” raffle. To participate in the contest you need to donate at least $5 to the president’s re-election campaign and your name will be raffled off to enjoy a dinner with the President, airfare and accommodations included. In a new web video, Obama announced Vice President Joe Biden will also be attending the dinner.
There is one problem, however. This campaign ad was most likely recorded in the White House, which may have violated FEC campaign finance laws.
Take a look at this weekly address delivered by Obama in February. Below is a screenshot taken from the weekly address followed by an image taken from the campaign advertisement.
Obama Weekly Address with lamp
Obama campaign advertisement lamp
Both videos have identical lamps in the background, suggesting both videos were recorded at the same location. President Obama normally records his weekly address at the White House unless he is on the road like last week when he was in Pittsburgh.
Below are several other instances where this room was used for a weekly address:
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2011
8:28 am
But, unfortunately, as soon as President Obama said he was for it, the Republicans bailed.
Rachel had a good, if incredibly depressing, takedown of the sad history behind this particular edition of Lucy-yanking-the-football-from-Charlie-Brown, last night.
what people forget is that the DREAM act was envisioned as sort of a “it’s the least we can do” kinda deal, to normalize the most deserving of our residents, and as is so often the case these days with the conservatives constantly moving rightward, a wimpy little compromise measure like that allah sudden has become Teh Crazy Soshulizm.
Which is one of the reasons I haven’t really had much to say about Jay’s topic and indulged myself in a little uncharacteristically petty sniping yesterday eve. What *can* you say at this point?
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2011
8:30 am
NRO’s Jim Geraghty
…is an a-hole.
Gale
June 28th, 2011
8:31 am
It would be interesting to learn if the law-abiding Hispanics in the good sheriff’s town are, in fact, legal. And If they are not, is the good sheriff aware of it?
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
8:32 am
Scott
One of two things….
1. You might be right. If so President Obama will have to bear the consequences and rightly so.
2. This is another ginned up faux issue.
Here’s a suggestion for you.
When Real Clear Politics has more than a “suggestion” that there is an issue – please let us know.
Until then let’s try and keep our eye on the ball shall we?
AmVet
June 28th, 2011
8:34 am
“…social activist judges…”
Are those robed guys who have a great night life.
Jeez, they can’t even get their goofy parrotspeak right…
Scott
June 28th, 2011
8:34 am
Stands for decibels…so what if he is an ahole? I can care less. The guy showed where Obama is at it again. The fact of the matter is our President is, yet again, breaking another law and nobody seems to care, himself included. The media is so in-bed with the guy that they certainly will not report on it. Again, what if this was Bush? Do you think that he would have received the same preferential treatment?
Scott
June 28th, 2011
8:37 am
Granny……come on. There is video evidence that looks pretty damn confirming in my opinion. I am sure that Obama will hold himself accountable. hahahaha. I already know what we will get….They will roll Carney out onto the stage and he will make up some stupid story saying that they have a set they bring everywhere they go with the same exact things in the background. Wait a minute….no they won’t have to because they will never be asked because nobody wants to hold this a$$clown accountable.
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2011
8:38 am
I bid 2 death panels, 1 gay agenda and a handful of Islamophobia.
don’t be stingy. Throw in a Community Organizer and a Scary Negro Minister, too.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
8:38 am
Granny also…”ginned up faux issue” Just like his major screw up on the MOH recipient that we heard very little about. If that was Bush, do you think that maybe that would have been the top headline for about a week? Wake the F up will you?
joe suggs
June 28th, 2011
8:41 am
Why is the Dream Act the right thing to do ? Tha illegals created this problem. Minimum wage earners pay no taxes.You will add millions to the welfare rolls.
Independent
June 28th, 2011
8:41 am
I’ll raise you a bankrupt country, a depleted military, 44 million on foodstamps, indocrination education, and a larger and more instrusive government.
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
8:42 am
Scott
NO….Real Clear Politics makes a suggestion….Read what you posted.
Also from Real Clear Politics:
“In response to questions about whether the president and his political team had stayed safely on the legal side of the relevant statutes, White House officials made three arguments. First, they said, an open process for small donors to essentially win a raffle is not the kind of fundraising prohibited under the law — and the president didn’t make a direct appeal for donations, anyway. Second, they pointed to a longstanding advisory opinion from the Justice Department that differentiates between the residence portion of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. — where the aide said Obama had been filmed — and official rooms in the White House. Third, they said, Obama’s approach is in keeping with the practices of his predecessors.”
(emphasis added mine)
I think it’s typical GOP unreasonableness that would not allow the President freedom in his own home.
The article goes on to tell that George Bush filmed campaign ads in the White House.
Seems the GOP is trying to create a market for high speed goal posts.
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
8:44 am
Scott
I came on…and I you should back the “F” off.
Little man, big nasty words….I remain unimpressed.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 28th, 2011
8:44 am
Granny, shame on you. You dont think he really read the article. Why the talking point email and cut and paste instructions were enough….to read the article, too! Man you are getting strict.
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2011
8:44 am
I’ll raise you a bankrupt country
Which one would that be? Last I checked, people are willing to lend our country lots and lots of money at next-to-nothing percent ROI.
Bankrupt organizations don’t tend to be able to do that.
We are not “broke.”
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 28th, 2011
8:44 am
JAY:
I know it’s summer, but you’re sleeping in too late ……… lately.
We need a thread.
Adam
June 28th, 2011
8:45 am
Recon, from page 1: And if that’s the only way to gain control, what’s wrong with it?
Is that small, leave me alone government, or is that really really big get in your face and take away your freedoms government?
Which do you REALLY support?
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2011
8:45 am
But, but, but, they have video! which you gotta watch, man!
oy. I might be back when it don’t stink so bad in here…
AmVet
June 28th, 2011
8:45 am
“Again, what if this was Bush? Do you think that he would have received the same preferential treatment?”
Yep, they pretty much gave him a free ride for years on end.
The deadly goofball invaded the wrong f’ing country and the corporate controlled media didn’t say a word in opposition.
Hell, they loved him because his moronic “war” was outstanding for their ratings.
Want proof? Immediately after shock and awe there were approximately 80 talking heads on the four main networks regarding the botched invasion. Take a wild guess how many were against the Crusades?
Two.
But his sycophants think he was treated so very poorly by the forth estate.
Yeah, riiiight…
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
8:46 am
Independent
and I’ll raise you right back….an economy that isn’t losing 700,000 jobs a month, the finest military in the world, a nation that keeps it’s people from starving, free public schools and a government that has shrunk since 2009.
Activist Judge
June 28th, 2011
8:46 am
One of South Georgia’s own SCOTUS may be facing an ethics investigation….Who would have thought that the Honorable Clarence Thomas would have a problem with “Ethics”?
http://newsone.com/nation/ggaynor/justice-clarence-thomas-faces-ethics-investigation-by-ny-times/
Adam
June 28th, 2011
8:48 am
Let’s have a thread on the deficit. Because I cannot WAIT to see the new GOP talking points about why they hate tax cuts if Obama supports them, and talking points about why they are now against all of their own pro-economy positions of the past decade. I want to see just how pretzel-like those new talking points are.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
8:49 am
Granny, Way to handpick what you wanted to out of an attached article. Typical. Again. Wake the F up! You have such big words and NO SUBSTANCE. I guess that is why you like this administration so much.
“This assertion appears to be half-true. Although the news accounts cited by White House officials do show that George W. Bush filmed political ads in the White House, they were not overt fundraising efforts. But directly raising money in the White House was indeed the context of the bitter controversy President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore provoked in 1995 and 1996 by aggressively raising millions of dollars in campaign funds during activities expressly designed to use the White House as a hook to attract donor interest.”
Adam
June 28th, 2011
8:49 am
Amvet: I am absolutely astonished when I hear people act like Bush was lambasted for his entire tenure. The whole media was behind him for YEARS, even AFTER he got voted in a second time. Only in 2005 did I start hearing people in news organizations actually say “It’s time for us to stop giving him a free pass.”
mystified
June 28th, 2011
8:51 am
Liberal judge….liberal ruling….yawn. And who is the Smith guy. Maybe the other 10,000 law enforcements officers should file an affidavit too. Somehow I don’t think the judge would have given them much credit though because they don’t agree with his point of view.
Mighty Righty
June 28th, 2011
8:55 am
“The [state’s} claim that the new criminal statutes will prevent exploitation of illegal aliens is gross hypocrisy,” Thrash concluded. “The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.”
The judge is wrong as is often the case. We want them to leave the country!
As for Sherrif Smith, it is really a bitch that he is expected to do his job and uphold the law. I hate it when that happens.
Aquagirl
June 28th, 2011
8:56 am
Way to handpick what you wanted to out of an attached article
After you sweated over a hot cut ‘n paste all morning! The nerve!
Adam
June 28th, 2011
8:56 am
“You don’t agree with me, you must be liberal” is a tired and useless defense. It serves about as much purpose as talking about “57 states” and “teleprompter.” That is, none at all, except to self-inflate your own ego. It does nothing to convince independent thinkers.
Critical thinkers will be your downfall. You know this. Perhaps this is why education has been targeted over and over again for revisionist history and falsified information, such as “evolution is just a theory.”
Adam
June 28th, 2011
8:58 am
Mighty Righty: I want YOU to leave the country. Along with many other cons who seem to have never done so. You might learn something.
We can’t always get what we want. Deal with it.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
8:59 am
Adam and Amvet, I cannot believe how ridiculously stupid you guys really are. The media was in bed with Bush? HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! You do remember the election of 2000, don’t you? They badgered him until 9-11 because he wasn’t “their guy.” I will give you that they supported him right after 9-11 and for about a year after, but then when they saw he wasn’t all that popular anymore, they left him as quickly as they supported him…much like the Democrat party. They made up stories(Dan Rather anybody?) They called him names. They criticized his every move. And for you to say otherwise just shows how incompetent and out of touch you really are. We have not seen ANY of this with Obama. He is still the media’s darling and unfortunately I do not see that changing regardless of how bad the situation in this country gets. Double dip recession…..the media will just say that it was the Reps fault and they didn’t give him a chance. Gas prices over $4…….of that isn’t obama’s fault, that is just the way it goes. Sorry….Bush was not afforded the same excusals that obama is getting right now.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
9:00 am
aquagirl…you are a hack….beat it
Mighty Righty
June 28th, 2011
9:00 am
Adam
June 28th, 2011
8:48 am
Please take some advice and lay off the hard stuff.
larry
June 28th, 2011
9:00 am
Does that make me look like a manly man or what?
Today’s letter of the day !!! The letter F
Thank you Scott.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 28th, 2011
9:02 am
F Troop…..sorry. I just had to get that out of the way.
Normal
June 28th, 2011
9:03 am
Scott,
Keep it up and you will be beating it…jus’ sayin’.
zeke
June 28th, 2011
9:04 am
Does not matter whether or not the illegals are “good people”! IT ONLY MATTERS THAT THEY ARE ILLEGAL! THEREFORE THEY NEED TO BE ARRESTED IF NECESSARY AND IMMEDIATELY DEPORTED!!
Chris Matthews
June 28th, 2011
9:05 am
John Stewart is a racist like many liberals! The Amos and Andy talk about Herman Cain would be all over the national news if it was Obama! What bias! The liberal news would have supported Hitler also!
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
9:06 am
Scott
You go from effy effy ef to a take off on a Geico commercial.
What an incredible range.
Mighty Righty
June 28th, 2011
9:07 am
Adam
June 28th, 2011
8:58 am
You obviously don’t know the difference between legal and illegal and I fear an explanation will be above you, but I will try. Simply put, one is good and one is bad.
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
9:08 am
Chris Matthews….
Hitler didn’t need the liberal news he had Prescott Bush.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
9:08 am
oh…i see jay posted more garbage. I see it is on healthcare. Do you think he will mention how badly the Dems screwed that piece of garbage up? I mean not realizing that 3 million additional people will be covered on medicaid that shouldn’t really be? Who is going to pay for that major screw up? Man, I sure hope that those 3 million will turn down that benefit that they all of a sudden received because of the incompetent people who wrote that document. I guess Pelosi was right…you have to see all of the great thing in this bill AFTER it was passed, don’t you?
Aquagirl
June 28th, 2011
9:08 am
you are a hack
…..sez the Grand Master of Cut And Paste-Fu.
But at least your last post did seem like it wasn’t lifted. You might have actually typed your own thought. Which is why it was a grand total of seven words and a couple of ellipses.
Are ellipses the new “like, uh” or “ya know whut I’m sayin?” Just kinda there because your brain can’t come up with an actual word or phrase?
Bill Lewis
June 28th, 2011
9:09 am
A pool guy on the Georgia coast just lost his three illegal Mexican workers because of the new Georgia law! They left for Illinois! Guess the payments on the Mercedes will be a little tougher to pay now!
Mighty Righty
June 28th, 2011
9:10 am
Chris Matthews
June 28th, 2011
9:05 am
John Stewart is a racist like many liberals! The Amos and Andy talk about Herman Cain would be all over the national news if it was Obama! What bias! The liberal news would have supported Hitler also!
Well said. I wonder how many “liberals” will condemn those vicious, vile, dispicable, racist, bigoted remarks?
Scott
June 28th, 2011
9:10 am
chris mathews…tell me about it. Even if somebody disagrees with his policies, they are labeled a racist. meanwhile, stewart makes some jokes that are racially borderline, and it goes virtually unnoticed. Notice Granny sees nothing wrong with it though. She is all for it.
Adam
June 28th, 2011
9:11 am
Scott: The media was in bed with Bush?
Now, where did I say that?
Adam
June 28th, 2011
9:13 am
Might Righty: Simply put, one is good and one is bad.
It is exactly the simplistic, limited, black and white viewpoint that will keep you cowering in fear every time you feel threatened, instead of actually SOLVING problems or reasoning things out.
Give me the GOP talking points for why they created the DREAM Act, brought it up many times, and then abandoned it. GO ahead, I can’t wait to see that pretzel of a viewpoint.
Adam
June 28th, 2011
9:14 am
Saying that Jon Stewart is “the liberal news,” or even “news” shows a very out of touch viewpoint. Just sayin.
Mighty Righty
June 28th, 2011
9:15 am
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
9:08 am
Chris Matthews….
Hitler didn’t need the liberal news he had Prescott Bush.
You need a history lesson. It was JFK’s father Joe Kennedy who supported Hitler. In fact he was removed from the court of St. James by FDR because he lost cedibility with the Brits.
Really
June 28th, 2011
9:18 am
“The [state’s} claim that the new criminal statutes will prevent exploitation of illegal aliens is gross hypocrisy,” Thrash concluded. “The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.”
What is so bad about criminals leaving our state? Less crime, less hospital emergency room, taxpayer subsidized healthcare for criminals. Less drain on the school system, maybe that would help our CRCT scores. I am still looking for the downside of evicting criminal, I don’t see it…We could make our state budget and actually not lose money, what a foolish idea….
Scott
June 28th, 2011
9:19 am
Adam,
First, I addressed this to both you and Amvet. You agreed with Amvet’s post. He posted “Yep, they pretty much gave him a free ride for years on end.” You followed it up with “Amvet: I am absolutely astonished when I hear people act like Bush was lambasted for his entire tenure. The whole media was behind him for YEARS, even AFTER he got voted in a second time. Only in 2005 did I start hearing people in news organizations actually say “It’s time for us to stop giving him a free pass.”
I guess you are right. You did not come out and say those words precisely, but how else should somebody interpret your words and you agreement with Amvet? Now, like the typical liberal, go ahead and pick out a couple words out of this whole post and just comment on that while ignoring the rest.
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
9:25 am
Adam — “Give me the GOP talking points for why they created the DREAM Act, brought it up many times, and then abandoned it. GO ahead, I can’t wait to see that pretzel of a viewpoint.”
They were for it before they were against it.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
9:25 am
Adam,
“Saying that Jon Stewart is “the liberal news,” or even “news” shows a very out of touch viewpoint. Just sayin.”
He identifies more with liberals than anybody else. His viewership definitely consists of people that would vote along the Dem lines than Rep. You have to admit that. Many of these fools actually take what he says as being the truth. I cannot remember where it was posted or when it was because it was awhile ago, but there was a poll out there that showed a decent percentage of people went to his show for latest in current events. I think the number even trumped the number of people who went to the evening news. It is sad. I know that Stewart, like Colbert, Hannity, OReilly, Limbaugh, Beck, Maddow, Mathews, Doperman, etc. only do this stuff for pure entertainment value, but it is sad that so many people out there actually take every word these clowns say at face-value without performing an analysis themselves. I would imagine somebody like Aquagirl fitting this description. She sounds like a mindless troll.
Mighty Righty
June 28th, 2011
9:26 am
Adam
June 28th, 2011
9:13 am
Might Righty: Simply put, one is good and one is bad.
“It is exactly the simplistic, limited, black and white viewpoint that will keep you cowering in fear every time you feel threatened, instead of actually SOLVING problems or reasoning things out.”
“Give me the GOP talking points for why they created the DREAM Act, brought it up many times, and then abandoned it. GO ahead, I can’t wait to see that pretzel of a viewpoint.”
Poor Adam. I told you to layoff the hard stuff. The “Dream Act” is a Democrat vote scheme. Nothing more. Democrats don’t give a darn about minorities. Never have. They just want their votes. People that have jobs are Republicans. The Democrats need people that don’t have jobs. The Dream Act is for people who have just scaled the wall and don’t have jobs and have very little prospect of finding one. The Democrats have to catch them early and get them on welefare before they find a job and become Republicans.
Jay
June 28th, 2011
9:28 am
Scott, cease your namecalling.
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
9:29 am
Scott
I believe you misrepresent the survey regardin Jon Stewart…
It was actually a 2004 National Annenberg Election Survey
“which found Daily Show viewers to be better informed on campaign issues than consumers of other late-night television programs, newspapers, network news, or cable news. In a press release, Annenberg senior analyst Dannagal Goldthwaite Young said: “Daily Show viewers have higher campaign knowledge than national news viewers and newspaper readers — even when education, party identification, following politics, watching cable news, receiving campaign information online, age, and gender are taken into consideration.”
HT to MMA
SCOTT let’s at least try and be F’n accurate.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
9:31 am
jay, Sorry. I let the incompetence of others get the best of me. I will not let it happen again. Your welcome too. I decided that while we waited for your next post to show up, I would stir the pot until posted again. This service was free of charge.
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
9:32 am
Scott — “Many of these fools actually take what he says as being the truth.”
Stewart would be the first to tell you — as he has reminded many interviewers — that he does not host a news show. He hosts a comedy show. He once had to point out to an interviewer that his “lead-in is puppets making crank phone calls.”
He does, however, offer biting and incisive comedic commentary on the news of the day, and if you can’t see how that would draw viewers, then I can’t help you. He’s been criticized by ‘legitimate’ newsmen for his presentation and how many viewers he draws for it, at which point he usually reminds them that if they’d just do their effing JOBS, then maybe he wouldn’t get so many people coming to him for what he’s selling.
Stewart doesn’t present himself as a legitimate newsman. He’s the TV news version of Mad or Cracked Magazine. But given how most ‘legitimate’ mass market news has been watered down and co-opted by its corporate owners into easily-digestible mush, there’s clearly a market for someone like Stewart.
You can enjoy a healthy salad AND enjoy a greasy, juicy burger. And you can watch mass marketed news AND Jon Stewart. Don’t presume that the two are mutually exclusive.
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
9:32 am
That was the best of you?
oh my.
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
9:40 am
F. Sinkwich (from page 2) — “Of course you, Doggone, can provide examples of that happening….”
It happened to my wife. She’s Hispanic and got stopped in another state. The police wanted to look in the car. She wouldn’t let them. They asked why, so she asked them why they wanted to look. They wouldn’t say, so she wouldn’t let them look.
Eventually, a gentleman in a Mercedes drove up and conferred with the police. She didn’t ever find out who he was, but she suspects that he was a DA or assistant, because immediately after he left, the cops let her go without so much as an apology.
We did, however, receive a nice letter of apology from the sheriff after we had our attorney speak with him and the DA.
Granny Godzilla
June 28th, 2011
9:41 am
Scott
Really? I bet your gravy is lumpy and your Alfredo grainy.
AND
I suspect my new biege fabric kitten heels would make your calves
look chunky.
oh my.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
9:46 am
Joe mama, I actually enjoy watching Stewart from time to time. He find him comedic. I just remember a survey out there in the past that said a substantial percentage of his viewership actually considered his show a new program. I have no idea what the heck granny was posting nor do I even care anymore for that matter. I just think it is sad that so many people out there actually take his show for news and not for what it really is…..entertainment. I also think that the way that he handled the Herman Cain thing was sad and if that had been somebody like Hannity doing the exact same thing with Obama, the coverage would be widespread and Hannity would be looking for a new job.
williebkind
June 28th, 2011
9:49 am
Everytime the people of Ga get a law passed for the state, a liberal judge makes law from the bench. This has to be a very progrssive liberal judge who has a very liberal agenda. This judge is a racist.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
9:54 am
Granny, I don’t make Alfredo because I am not a big fan of the taste. If I wanted some nice creamy sauce mixed in with some starchy food, I prefer to make myself a nice risotto and none of that instant carp that take 5 minutes to make. I am talking about risotto from scratch that takes 20-30 minutes to make. Gravy on the other hand…..I win that bad boy hands down. Brown gravy, white gravy, au jus….you name it. I know my gravy and it sure isn’t lumpy. So, i guess your best alfredo beats mine through default, but I guarantee my gravy wins.
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
9:57 am
Scott — “I just remember a survey out there in the past that said a substantial percentage of his viewership actually considered his show a new program.”
I’d be interested in seeing that, if you can find it.
“I just think it is sad that so many people out there actually take his show for news and not for what it really is…..entertainment.”
To be fair, you’re complaining about something that you admittedly kinda-sorta remember and may or may not even be citing accurately. I think that’s weak tea on which to base your criticism, though you are certainly welcome to your opinion.
“I also think that the way that he handled the Herman Cain thing was sad and if that had been somebody like Hannity doing the exact same thing with Obama, the coverage would be widespread and Hannity would be looking for a new job.”
I sincerely doubt it. Given Fox’s penchant for misstatement and political inaccuracy, I don’t think Hannity would have suffered a bit. When’s the last time Fox suspended any of its hosts or anchors for a single *day* due to misstatement, misbehavior or going over the top?
williebkind
June 28th, 2011
10:07 am
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
9:57 am
“Given Fox’s penchant for misstatement and political inaccuracy”
Can you back that statement up with proof? Naa, you are just blow our liberal chants.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
10:08 am
“I sincerely doubt it. Given Fox’s penchant for misstatement and political inaccuracy, I don’t think Hannity would have suffered a bit. When’s the last time Fox suspended any of its hosts or anchors for a single *day* due to misstatement, misbehavior or going over the top?”
First, misstatement and political inaccuracy?? Really? Just because you don’t agree with their slant doesn’t mean they have a “penchant” for it. If it wasn’t for Fox, would we have heard about ACORN’s terrible practices? Would we have heard anything Rev Wright and his connection to Obama? Domestic terrorist Bill Ayers’ connection to Obama? Van Jones and his radical radical policies? Those are all legitimate stories that should have been followed up by the “real” media. Of course, I am sure that you say that they are meaningless but I think they are a direct reflection of Obama’s character and probably should have been followed up on before a Presidential election.
Given your last statement, are you saying that Stewart should also be suspended for his racially tinted comments? I would say he went over the top, don’t you?
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
10:12 am
williebkind — “Can you back that statement up with proof? Naa, you are just blow our liberal chants.”
Well, thanks for answering the question for me. You’ve pretty much let me know up front not to ever bother responding to you.
If at some point in the future you would like to engage me on a topic, be sure to leave your jackassery at home.
Mighty Righty
June 28th, 2011
10:14 am
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
9:57 am
Joe, you would defend Hitler or even George Wallace as long as they support Obama.
TGT
June 28th, 2011
10:18 am
“The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.”
Perhaps for good reason. Pat Buchanan notes in his “Say Goodbye to Los Angeles” column, where the U.S. and Mexico played a soccer match before 93,000 fans, the game was essentially a home game for Mexico.
According to Bill Plaschke of the Los Angeles Times, when the U.S. team took the field it was “smothered in boos. … Its goalkeeper was bathed in a chanted obscenity. Even its national anthem was filled with the blowing of air horns and bouncing of beach balls.”
How did U.S. coach Bob Bradley respond to the reception his team received in America’s largest county? “Obviously … the support that Mexico has on a night like this makes it a home game for them.”
“A home game” for Mexico — in Pasadena?
“It’s part of something we had to deal with,” said the coach.
“I have never heard more consistent loud cheering for one team here,” wrote Plaschke, “from the air horns to the ‘Ole’ chant with each Mexico pass, all set to the soundtrack of low throbbing that began in the parking lot six hours before the game and continued long into the night.”
After the 4-2 win by Mexico, for the first time, the trophy award ceremony was held in the Rose Bowl. When the losing U.S. team was introduced, the stadium rocked again with boos.
“We’re not booing the country. We’re booing the team,” one rooter for Mexico told Plaschke. “There’s a big difference.”
But why would scores of thousands boo a defeated team after a game?
Why would spectators raise a ruckus during a national anthem, except to manifest contempt for the country whose anthem it was?
U.S. goalkeeper Tim Howard credited several Mexican players with the win, but he was disgusted at how the officials conducted the ceremony awarding the Gold Cup title to Mexico.
They “should be ashamed of themselves,” said Howard. “It was a disgrace that the entire post-match ceremony was in Spanish. You can bet your (expletive) that if we were in Mexico City, it wouldn’t be all in English.”
Indeed, were U.S. fans in a Mexican town to boo, jeer and chant obscenities at a Mexican team before, during and after a match, and blow horns during the Mexican national anthem, they would be lucky to get out of the stadium alive.
What does this event, in which Plaschke estimates 80,000 fans in the Rose Bowl could not control their contempt for the U.S. team and for the U.S. national anthem, tell us?
We have within our country 12-20 million illegal aliens, with Mexico the primary source, and millions of others who may be U.S. citizens but are not truly Americans. As one fan told Plaschke, “I was born in Mexico, and that is where my heart will always be.”
Perhaps he should go back there, and let someone take his place who wants to become an American.
By 2050, according to Census figures, thanks to illegals crossing over and legalized mass immigration, the number of Hispanics in the U.S.A. will rise from today’s 50 million to 135 million.
Say goodbye to Los Angeles. Say goodbye to California.
Perhaps “a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity” is necessary to keep us from going the way of LA and CA. If so, then let it be.
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
10:19 am
Scott — “First, misstatement and political inaccuracy?? Really? Just because you don’t agree with their slant doesn’t mean they have a “penchant” for it.”
Fox’s broadcasts frequently misstate points of fact and fail to issue corrections; this has been corroborated by numerous former Fox staffers. And I happen to know a former Fox on-camera reporter, so I’ve heard about it first-hand.
“If it wasn’t for Fox, would we have heard about ACORN’s terrible practices?”
Many of the allegations about ACORN turned out to be baseless. Did Fox ever issue a retraction or correction on those items?
“Would we have heard anything Rev Wright and his connection to Obama? Domestic terrorist Bill Ayers’ connection to Obama? Van Jones and his radical radical policies? Those are all legitimate stories that should have been followed up by the “real” media.”
The fact that Fox broke those stories does not mean that they *wouldn’t* have been broken if Fox didn’t exist. Bear in mind that the National Enquirer — hardly a bastion of professional journalism — broke the Monica Lewinsky story. If there’s stinky dirt on a President or presidential candidate, I dare say someone will find it and run with it. This is why a free press is so important.
“Of course, I am sure that you say that they are meaningless but I think they are a direct reflection of Obama’s character and probably should have been followed up on before a Presidential election.”
Given that, how would you feel if a major news operation had dirt on a presidential candidate and *spiked* the story right before an election? Would you feel differently if it were Fox doing the spiking?
“Given your last statement, are you saying that Stewart should also be suspended for his racially tinted comments? I would say he went over the top, don’t you?”
Once again, Jon Stewart is a *comedian,* not a newsman I pointed this out to you already. He no more deserves suspension for his comments than Redd Foxx would deserve (if he were still alive) for his.
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
10:20 am
Righty — “Joe, you would defend Hitler or even George Wallace as long as they support Obama.”
Given that I’ve actually voted *against* George Wallace, I’m simply going to point out that you’re wrong. But don’t let facts get in the way of your little hissy fit.
Mighty Righty
June 28th, 2011
10:30 am
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
10:19 am
I didn’t know you were a FOX news fan. I suggest next time you cite misinformaton on FOX news please give us a quote so we will know you are not just making something up. In fact you could give us a few examples of what you think are “misinformation”. You know, the ones you already mentioned. I can give you one:”Jon Stewart saying Herman Cain doesn’t like to read”. Oh that’s right, Jon was just making a funny. I forgot, racist jokes are now in.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
10:37 am
Joe Mama, alright i see where we are going with this. Nowhere. but here goes
“Fox’s broadcasts frequently misstate points of fact and fail to issue corrections; this has been corroborated by numerous former Fox staffers. And I happen to know a former Fox on-camera reporter, so I’ve heard about it first-hand.”
The MSM does the same thing. they are just a little more sneaky about it. how many times are they going to say the unemployment numbers “unexpectedly” rose? Isn’t that a misstatement? Do we ever see anything from the MSM on it? Did we see a correction or an apllogy from the MSM for getting on Palin for allegedly telling the Paul Rever story wrong when in fact she was 100% correct/ Nope. Only a statement by one guy saying that she mistakenly got it correct. I am sure you will disagree. After all, you have an inside guy who knows all about it. yeah sure you do.
“Many of the allegations about ACORN turned out to be baseless. Did Fox ever issue a retraction or correction on those items?”
They were so baseless that funding was pulled by Congress and the Supreme Court said they won’t even listen to their case. Definitely sounds baseless to me. Next
“The fact that Fox broke those stories does not mean that they *wouldn’t* have been broken if Fox didn’t exist.” Fox was talking about these stories months before the networks even touched the issues. If the networks really wanted to perform some due diligence on Obama, the candidate, they would have attacked these issues the same time Fox was breaking them. Next
“Given that, how would you feel if a major news operation had dirt on a presidential candidate and *spiked* the story right before an election? Would you feel differently if it were Fox doing the spiking?” Not really sure what you are talking about but hell, CBS tried to do it by FABRICATING a story about Bush. You do remember Dan Rather, don’t you? Speaking of retraction and apology, did CBS ever really issue one on that. I am not sure. Maybe they did. I don’t remember it. NEXT
“Once again, Jon Stewart is a *comedian,* not a newsman I pointed this out to you already. He no more deserves suspension for his comments than Redd Foxx would deserve (if he were still alive) for his.”
Stewart is an entertainer!!! So is Hannity and so is Rush Limbaugh. We know that the media constantly goes after him for being racist every time he criticizes the president. You asked if Fox ever suspended any of its anchors for going over the top. They are entertainers in the same fashion that Stewart is. That is why I asked the question. If you want one entertainer to get suspended, then why wouldn’t stewart get suspended? And DONE!!!
Scott
June 28th, 2011
10:40 am
Joe Mama, “If you want to play nice, then back up, regain your composure, put your manners on and start again. Otherwise, you can just f**k right off.”
Careful…..Grandma Godzilla doesn’t like “big words.” Of course, she probably will see nothing wrong with it because she is all about double standards. I am sure she will let it slide.
Mighty Righty
June 28th, 2011
10:46 am
Scott
June 28th, 2011
10:37 am
Great post. The irrefutable truth is the cross of death for vampire liberals! The truth causes them to run for refuge under their rocks.
Adam
June 28th, 2011
11:05 am
Scott: I guess you are right. You did not come out and say those words precisely, but how else should somebody interpret your words and you agreement with Amvet? Now, like the typical liberal, go ahead and pick out a couple words out of this whole post and just comment on that while ignoring the rest.
I do not believe the media was “in bed” with the Bush admin. HOWEVER, I do think they were on his side on a great many issues, for a lot longer than you think. Obviously that’s a difference of opinion, since how can you quantify something like that anyway? So no, I did not “agree” with AmVet per se, I offered my own comment on the subject of whether or not the media bias was for or against Bush. In my view, it was decidely on his side for the most part for YEARS.
Mighty Righty: Republicans sponsored the original DREAM Act, and continued to do so for a few iterations of attempts to bring it up. It was originally a Republican idea. All you offer as evidence that it is a Democrat idea is the opinionated concept that Democrats want welfare voters. That’s hardly evidence.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
11:27 am
Adam, I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. My perception was that they did not like him after the 2000 election. Then, 9-11 hit and they saw a president that people liked so they decided that they should support him. They maintained that support for a couple years and as the wars became unpopular, the media left him. Even when he was receiving support for them, they still would take every opportunity to crack jokes about him. In my opinion, Obama rarely gets the negative attention Bush received. Whether it is fear or they are just in bed with him, I think it is fair to say that the media support Obama far more than they ever supported Bush.
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
11:42 am
Scott — “I think it is fair to say that the media support Obama far more than they ever supported Bush.”
Judith Miller, a reporter for the New York Times wrote a number of stories that saw print and were supportive of the Bush Administration’s case for war. Miller would cite unnamed sources and unnamed Bush Administration officials in her stories, and the Bush Administration would cite Miller’s work as ‘evidence’ that supported their case for war.
As it later turned out, Miller based most of her stories on hearsay and unsupported second-hand claims, and most of her stories turned out to be false. And of course, she later went to work for Fox News and Newsmax.
Can you identify a reporter today who carries as much water for the Obama Administration as Judith Miller carried for the Bush Administration?
Adam
June 28th, 2011
11:56 am
Scott: Obama rarely gets the negative attention Bush received.
The major news media was all over the health care debate, constantly having people on who would bash it with talking points. In fact, other than possibly MSNBC, ever major network did this. The focus was on the individual mandate and it was decidedly negative.
Fast forward to the oil spill. Major new networks got on Obama’s case for that too.
Major Sunday morning shows hosted SEVEN of the former Bush administration’s officials to tell the whole world about how Bush is the real hero for us getting bin Laden. Oh, and they said, btw, that it was waterboarding that worked. Both are false, in case you didn’t know.
Tell me again that there hasn’t been SIGNIFICANT negative criticism brought against Obama on the major news media. Bush was attacked for his handling of a natural disaster, and the nearest equivalent that isn’t an equivalent was the oil spill. The media blasted both. Bush got attacked for the Iraq war only AFTER we had been in there and it was discovered there were no WMDs. Before that, it was full speed ahead and talk of how this would be done in a week.
And, btw, if you want a constant barrage against Obama and his admin, just watch Fox. If you think, compared to that, that Obama isn’t being criticized enough, then I think you view is way too skewed.
Scott
June 28th, 2011
12:07 pm
Joe mama, I am assuming that the entire cast at MSNBC is out, including Chris “Tingling Sensation” Mathews, correct? So…….let’s look at Bob Schiefer of CBS. He accused Donald Trump, another person who is basically an entertainer, of being racist for even questioning Obama’s academic credentials. Once again, the liberal media calling somebody who isn’t one of them racist for asking/saying anything critical about Obama, yet they are not holding their own accountable for actually saying racist things about Kaine.
Aside from that situation though, look at how he went after Bachman this weekend and contrast that with any interviews he has had with obama. He goes after Reps hard and pretty much leaves Obama alone, throwing softball after softball to him.
Do I know of reporters like Judith Miller offhand? Nope. Am I going to check? Nope? Do I need to? Nope. Why would he need to have a Judith Miller when people like Bob Schieffer handle him with kids gloves and then go after other Reps with knives. Want another example? Contrast his interview with Obama versus Boehner. He trashed Boehner for his smoking habit and merely thanks Obama for not smoking.
Need another example of how the media treats Obama with kids gloves? How much press was given to his major major screwup on the Medal of Honor? If that was Bush, do you honestly think they would have covered it so minimally? Notice I said HONESTLY!!! Did the networks even cover it?
Joe Mama
June 28th, 2011
12:13 pm
Scott, I find your responses evasive and combative. I have politely asked you several questions that you have failed to respond to, and you have instead replied with more and more intemperate posts.
I would be pleased to engage in a polite and collegial discussion with you, but it increasingly appears to me that you’re quite emotionally invested in this topic and quite possibly unable to talk about it in a dispassionate manner. Given that, I’m going to engage in more productive discussion on another thread. Perhaps we shall meet again in the future on a thread containing a topic that is more conducive to a polite, adult conversation between us.