Judge: Ga. seeks ‘climate of hostility, fear, mistrust, insecurity’

U.S. District Judge Thomas Thrash has blocked enforcement of the most aggressive law enforcement provisions of Georgia’s new illegal immigration law, ruling that they interfere with federal responsibilities to enforce immigration law.

“The [state’s} claim that the new criminal statutes will prevent exploitation of illegal aliens is gross hypocrisy,” Thrash concluded. “The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.”

That’s pretty much on the nose. And while the judge didn’t offer a conclusion about whether such a goal was good or bad, he did rule that such steps, if they are taken, must be taken by the federal government, not by the states. As a result, “state and local law enforcement officers and officials have no authorization to arrest, detain or prosecute anyone based upon Sections 7 and 8 of HB 87 while this injunction remains in effect.”

However, 21 other sections of the law will go into effect July 1.

In a footnote in his ruling, Thrash pointed out an affidavit filed by Lewis Smith, a 23-year veteran of law enforcement in Georgia and the police chief of the small town of Uvalda. According to Thrash, Smith’s statement “outlines the problems that rural, small town Georgia law enforcement officers will have in trying to enforce Section 8.”

Smith’s statement does that, and a lot more.

“This is going to be devastating to my community and to many other areas of rural Georgia,” the chief’s affidavit reads. “I believe this law will open the door to racial profiling if it is implemented. There are a lot of good police officers, but there are some bad ones out there too, and if the bad ones don’t like Hispanics, for whatever reason, they will have the ability to try to verify that person’s immigration status. I believe that officers in many small towns will rely on physical appearance or way of talking (accent) to determine whether to stop someone and attempt to verify the person’s immigration status.”

Smith also explained the burden that enforcing HB 87 would place on him and other law enforcement officers. After talking with fellow officers, he said, he has come to the conclusion that “police officers in many towns will feel compelled to always exercise their authority to ask about immigration status, making many communities less safe and stretching already thin police forces to their limit.”

In Smith’s case, he is the lone officer in Uvalda, a town of 600 in southeast Georgia. The closest jail is 40 miles away in Soperton, which means that transporting a suspected illegal immigrant to jail, booking the person and returning home would pull Smith off patrol for at least two hours and 15 minutes.

“Because Uvalda is such a small town, everyone in town knows when I’ve left town, and the criminal element often takes advantage of this time to commit crimes,” he told the court.

And about that criminal element?

“The criminal element in Uvalda does not include the population HB 87 targets. In Uvalda, even though we are a small town, we have a big prescription drug problem resulting in break-ins, burglaries and even suicides.” The Hispanics in his town, on the other hand, “are law-abiding people. They have family and kids.”

“In small towns like Uvalda,” Smith told the court, “life is more personal. As chief, I get to know people for who they are, rather than just a statistic or a word such as ‘illegal.’ The immigrants in my community have children, and they just need a chance, just like everyone else does.”

421 comments Add your comment

jack bull

June 27th, 2011
8:47 pm

didn’t know the poor could spend without getting paid

Soothsayer

June 27th, 2011
8:48 pm

“Are you really so effing aggorant that you think you should control the direction of conversation?

Why, no! Officer I’m not drunk! Sometimes my tang gets tonguled up is all!

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
8:49 pm

Doggone

The real estate isn’t much of an issue to me. However, it showed me that there’s no limits to the things that some will sell.

josef

June 27th, 2011
8:49 pm

Streetcar…
@ 8:44
Say what? Doggone’s about the last one to try to control the direction of the conversation…she’s the original stream of consciousness one! You must be new here…

BADA BING

June 27th, 2011
8:50 pm

So there are aliens in Uvalda. Have you seen a OB-GYN?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 27th, 2011
8:50 pm

Speaking of ice cream, I believe Ben & Jerry’s has created a flavor for Liberals, Imagine Whirled Peace, and one to represent the Con world, Clusterfluff. Other suggestions for the cons ideas: Half-baked and What a Cluster.

All sides of course claim Colbert’s Americone Dream…but the joke is on the cons.

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2011
8:51 pm

“didn’t know the poor could spend without getting paid”

And they can’t be paid without spending

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2011
8:51 pm

However, it showed me that there’s no limits to the things that some will sell”

yep, no question there

Soothsayer

June 27th, 2011
8:52 pm

Parasite + opportunity = productive citizen

Are there those who will game the system? Yes. I personally believe, though, that >99% of people would like nothing more than to earn an honest living. That’s what I think.

jack bull

June 27th, 2011
8:52 pm

which came first, the chicken or the egg..

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
8:53 pm

josef

When I see posts like those directed at Doggone, two thoughts immediately spring to mind….

Thought #1…

Thought #2…

josef

June 27th, 2011
8:53 pm

oldguy

Me? Serious?

Only late at night…otherwise I come in here…keeps me young (well, juvenile anyway!) Can’t have the stout anymore…have to stick to the red wine…

:-)

oldguy

June 27th, 2011
8:53 pm

BINGO Whaheema !!

theeyeshaveit

June 27th, 2011
8:54 pm

Whaheema said, The judge made a decision on emotion, not the law.

hmm. How does one learn of the emotional state of a judge from afar? And how is it that one from afar can assume to know more about the law than a judge. My money is on the judge.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 27th, 2011
8:54 pm

which came first, the chicken or the egg

The dinosaur….chickensaurus.

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2011
8:54 pm

“which came first, the chicken or the egg..”

The egg. Dinosaurs were laying eggs LONG before they evolved into birds

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2011
8:56 pm

Josef – thanks!

And Brosephus – too funny!

oldguy

June 27th, 2011
8:57 pm

I am supposed to drink wine also! (How many guys would pay for that proscription!!). Still love the stout!!! (local microbrews)
Have a good evening!

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2011
8:57 pm

“How does one learn of the emotional state of a judge from afar?”

Didn’t you know? They’re all issued crystal balls.

BADA BING

June 27th, 2011
8:58 pm

“seeks a climate of hostility,fear, mistrust, insecurity”. We could be talking about Chicago, MARTA, Clayton County, ATL School System, or Bookman’s Blog.

Soothsayer

June 27th, 2011
8:58 pm

Bro: that “Thought # 2″ went straight to the “bookmarks!” Too perfect!

josef

June 27th, 2011
8:58 pm

theyeshaveit

June 27th, 2011
8:59 pm

Doggone,

Aha! I might have known. ;-)

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
9:00 pm

Guess I’m gonna call it a night… Y’all have fun and play nice with each other.

Later!!!

:)

getalife

June 27th, 2011
9:01 pm

“Gay marriage killed the dinosaurs”

theyeshaveit

June 27th, 2011
9:04 pm

getalife,

Some of my best friends are dinosaurs.

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June 27th, 2011
9:04 pm

A Good Texan:

“I saw a fundamentalist Muslim extremist fall into the Rio Grande River this morning; he was struggling to stay afloat because of all the guns and bombs he was carrying.

Along with him was an illegal Hispanic drug cartel member who was also struggling to stay afloat because of the large backpack of drugs that was strapped to his back.

If they didn’t get help, they’d surely drown.

Being a responsible Texan and abiding by the law to help those in distress, I informed the El Paso County Sheriff’s Office and Homeland Security. It is now 4pm, both have drowned, and neither authority has responded.

I’m starting to think I wasted two stamps.”

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2011
9:06 pm

“Aha! I might have known”

and there’s an answer to the “hiring first or spending first” question too: spending comes first. Because the proprieter (sp?) of a business only hires additional workers when the demand (spending) for his product becomes more than the current numbers in his business can handle. When he needs more help, he hires.

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June 27th, 2011
9:06 pm

Good fight:

Speaking of Ice Cream !!!

I was listening to the radio awhile ago and someone was talking about homemade ice cream. Nothin’ better than fresh peach !

Anyway, I also remember it as a “right of passage” for a young man say – 15 to 17 years of age.

Why? Well, if you could start cranking that churn (adding the ice and salt by yourself) from the “git-go” when it was pure liquid all of the way to the last grind when it was ready to eat ……… without “wimping out” and asking for help …………… you were a “man” …………. sort of …………… :o ) !

I had to add a few more things in the Marine Corps but ah, for the good old days !

getalife

June 27th, 2011
9:10 pm

eyes,

I liked Dino.

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June 27th, 2011
9:11 pm

Uncle Jed:

“. It also deadlocked on the one count alleging Blagojevich shook down then-U.S. Rep. Rahm Emanuel.”

This is exactly why the case was shut down so early ……. instead of letting the deal go through.

The Bush administration was scared stiff of this continuing and possibly (I say possibly) haviing the first black President-Elect of the United States on tape as an “unindicted co-conspirator” or even worse for an indictable offense (or his Chief of Staff).

They just didn’t want to risk that (and the tumult to the country that would have ensured) so they “shut it down”.

theyeshaveit

June 27th, 2011
9:11 pm

Scout,

Let me take you back in time. It is the year 2006. G. W. Bush is the POTUS.

Three Texas surgeons are posturing for bragging rights over who is the best surgeon. Says the first, “I am the greatest surgeon. Just the other day, I sawed a man’s hand back on, and now he’s a well-known classical pianist.” Says the second, “That’s nothing. I had a guy who lost both legs. I sewed them back on, and now he’s on the Olympic Track & Field Team.” Says the third, “That ain’t nothing. Some time back, a guy on a horse was hit by a train. All I had to work with was a cowboy and a horse’s a** and not he’s president of the United States!”

@@

June 27th, 2011
9:13 pm

Sooth:

@@ I sure am sorry to hear that! It’s not too late to start new vines. How goes the job situation? Were you able to find anything else?

I wasn’t looking for another job. I don’t HAVE to work, I just like what I’ve been doing.

I’ll be back on payroll when the new school years starts.

One of the teachers is being forced to relocate. Her husband died.

josef

June 27th, 2011
9:13 pm

getalife

“Gay marriage killed the dinosaurs

And now they’re back to return the favor!

Streetracer

June 27th, 2011
9:15 pm

Josef @ 8:49: didn’t really intend to single out Doggone, just came out that way. You and I have talked before (mostly about your book – pretty good I thought (hope sales were good).

However no-one as addressed my concerns

1) If it was for several years a felony for legal immigrants to not report their address, why should it be only a cival “crime” to be here illegally?

2). If Feds abdicated enforcement of other federal law should States have the right to enforce those laws? Example being environmental regs where enforcement, permitting, etc has been “delegated” to state/local agencies.

theyeshaveit

June 27th, 2011
9:15 pm

Sooth,

Are you a teacher?

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June 27th, 2011
9:16 pm

jack bull

June 27th, 2011
9:18 pm

yes!! i recently found out that strip clubs will take my EBT card…..

Bud Wiser

June 27th, 2011
9:18 pm

“In small towns like Uvalda,” ( Chief) Smith told the court, “life is more personal. As chief, I get to know people for who they are, rather than just a statistic or a word such as ‘illegal.’ The immigrants in my community have children, and they just need a chance, just like everyone else does.”

Translations:

…If you bring fresh donuts into my office every morning, then you are a-ok, whether here as a felon or a friend

…If I like you, then you are a-ok, whether here as a felon or a friend

…If Farmer Jones needs you to harvest them peanuts, and someone can let him know I know, and I still have my eye on his pretty daughter, then you are a-ok, whether here as a felon or a friend

…If you can ‘donate’ a little cash to the city or police fund, then you are a-ok, whether here as a felon or a friend.

What a bunch of crap.

Does it never cross any of these stupid minds that like it or not, these people committed a CRIME to be here illegally? Isn’t by definition and implication that if someone is here illegally, they have by nature committed a crime, and are criminals?

Duh.

Stupid liberals.

josef

June 27th, 2011
9:20 pm

Streetracer..
Got it…

thanks for the compliment…dickering with the Chinese on the rights there now…sales a little better than I would have expected, nothing spectacular…picked up by a couple of schools up in New Jersey…

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June 27th, 2011
9:22 pm

Streetracer:

Something I heard earlier today.

This Republic is in fact a “States Rights” Republic inspite of the fact that the 10th Amendment has been prostituted down through the years !

Why is that ?

Because, if it ever came right down to it (worst case scenario) 2/3rd’s of the STATES can call for a Constitutional Convention and trump ANYTHING the federal government or the Supreme Court has done ………. simply by amending the Constitution.

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June 27th, 2011
9:23 pm

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2011
9:23 pm

“didn’t really intend to single out Doggone, just came out that way. ”

considering that I made an innocuous comment that had nothing to do with anything ELSE you’ve said and you jumped on me like I cussed you out…I think you owe me an apology.

AmVet

June 27th, 2011
9:26 pm

And wassup with this crazy prescrip drug crime crap?

I’m thankful that when I was young we had LSD, mescalin, peyote and psyilicibin to experiment with, instead of these dangerous and addicting licit pharmaceuticals.

LOL…

jack bull

June 27th, 2011
9:28 pm

i’m trying to find out if i can go on vacation using nothing but my EBT card. i would love to go visit my cousin, who is a Navy Corpseman. he’s stationed in, dang, i forget which one of the 57 states he’s in.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 27th, 2011
9:32 pm

josef:

AH …………………… I THINK THE PENDING REPEAL OF “DON’T ASS, DON’T TAIL” HAS ALREADY MADE IT TO MARKETING AT “SGT. GRIT’S” PLACE.

THE “OOHRAH” SHORTS SHOULD SELL WELL …………………

http://www.grunt.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=OOHRAH+SHORTS

Soothsayer

June 27th, 2011
9:36 pm

Just Asking

June 27th, 2011
9:37 pm

Why doesn’t someone buy that police chief a map. There a lot of jails closer than 40 miles. Is he really that stupid?

@@

June 27th, 2011
9:38 pm

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June 27th, 2011
9:41 pm

Headline: “WASHINGTON, June 27 (Reuters) – The Supreme Court is to rule on whether a 220-year-old amendment to the U.S. Constitution prevents police from using 21st century tracking technology to keep tabs on criminal suspects.

The court said on Monday it would decide whether police need a warrant to use a global positioning system device to track a suspect’s movements in a case about privacy rights and new surveillance technology.

It agreed to hear an Obama administration appeal arguing that secretly attaching the tracking device to the suspect’s vehicle to monitor his movements did not violate his constitutional privacy rights.”

Well, let’s see now …………. as long as the device was put on when the vehicle was in a public area ……… it shouldn’t be a problem. It’s just an enhancement like binoculars or “glow in the dark” invisible paint for infared scopes on helicopters, etc., etc. Oooops! Am I giving away too much to the ACLU already ?

It’s sure a lot easier than shall we say an “accident” causing a rear headlight to be busted out just a little so as the make the vehicle “distinctive” and easier to follow at night ………………………. :o )

Soothsayer

June 27th, 2011
9:43 pm

@@: How much do you think the Koch brothers are good for?

buck@gon

June 27th, 2011
9:48 pm

It is amusing to note that a judge ruling ostesibly on the LAW would find in his ruling elements of hostility mistrust fear and insecurity–hardly legal issues. As self evident by jay’s use of them, they belong only in the column of a second rate editorialist.

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June 27th, 2011
9:50 pm

Hummmmm ………………. the plot thickens !

HEADLINE: “Feds find fix was in on ’study’ of homosexuality in ranks”

“Inspector General says executive summary written BEFORE troops surveyed”

“A previously undisclosed report by the inspector general of the Department of Defense concludes that the fix – maybe even handed down by the White House – was in before the military ever started asking soldiers and sailors about how opening the ranks to homosexuals would affect the nation’s defense.

The 33-page report is marked “For Official Use Only” and describes an “Investigation of improper disclosure of For Official Use Only information from the Comprehensive Review Working Group draft report.”

It was that report that famously was quoted as affirming “70 percent” of the nation’s military members believe the repeal of the long-standing “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” practice of allowing homosexuals to serve as long as they kept their sexual lifestyle choices to themselves would have either “a neutral or positive impact on unit cohesion, readiness, effectiveness and morale…”

Take a guided tour into the future of the U.S. military once homosexuality is welcomed with open arms. Read Whistleblower’s special issue, “DROPPING THE ‘H’-BOMB,” online FREE here!

However, the IG documents how the co-chair of the commission working on the assessment, Jeh Johnson, “read portions of ‘an early draft’ of the executive summary … to a former news anchor, a close personal friend visiting Mr. Johnson’s home” THREE DAYS BEFORE service members even were given the survey.”

@@

June 27th, 2011
9:53 pm

Sooth:

@@: How much do you think the Koch brothers are good for?

I have no idea. I don’t concern myself with how much money OTHER people have.

getalife

June 27th, 2011
9:57 pm

The President’s first term is going splendidly.

@@

June 27th, 2011
10:00 pm

The Japanese people never cease to amaze me.

Elders Offer Help at Crippled Reactor

Not only do they have some of the skills needed, but because of their advanced age, they are at less risk of getting cancer and other diseases that develop slowly as a result of exposure to high levels of radiation. Their volunteering would spare younger Japanese from dangers that could leave them childless, or worse.

“We have to contain this accident, and for that, someone should do the work,” said Mr. Yamada, a retired plant engineer who had worked for Sumitomo Metal Industries. “It would benefit society if the older generation took the job because we will get less damage from working there.”

Sacrificing themselves so the next generation doesn’t have to.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/28/world/asia/28fukushima.html

Soothsayer

June 27th, 2011
10:03 pm

@@: you just don’t get it! I have wealth envy! I don’t care how much money the Koch Brothers have! It was a joke — like how much are the Koch Brothers going to contribute to Obama’s election campaign.

Some of the happiest times of my life were when I literally didn’t have a pot to pi$$ is.

Oh! and Scout: I recently had some minor surgery and the doctor insisted on prescribing Percocet. I still have most of them — they frighten me!

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2011
10:05 pm

“I still have most of them — they frighten me!”

Yeah, they scare me too. I have to literally be sitting on the bed when I take one. I don’t care how long they SAY it takes to hit your system, for me it’s literally seconds!

escaped Emory monkey

June 27th, 2011
10:08 pm

“U.S. District Judge Thomas Thrash has blocked enforcement…”

Thrash = Clinton appointee

Dave R.

June 27th, 2011
10:08 pm

Scout, re: your 9:50?

Doesn’t matter. You don’t decide Constitutional issues (equal protection under the law) via polling numbers.

You do it by principle.

And guess what? If 80% of our military had issues with serving with gay people, I’d discharge the 80% and keep the rest, because I don’t want anyone defending our Constitution who only fights for the parts he or she agrees with.

And that includes narrow-minded bigots like you.

Dave R.

June 27th, 2011
10:09 pm

“The President’s first term is going splendidly.”

Yeah, if you consider the Titanic as a great example of a successful voyage . . . :roll:

Uncle Jed

June 27th, 2011
10:10 pm

Judge: Ga. seeks ‘climate of hostility, fear, mistrust, insecurity’

Or could it be possible; perhaps at least slightly plausible; that a voting majority of the Georgia legislature, not unlike several sister states in our great union, have reached a point of frustration with our federal government failing to secure our nation’s borders and uphold existing immigration statutes?!? Well, could it be? IMHO, our border security has been prostituted for votes and IMHO, that is wrong; it stinks; and it will lead us all to a place we will not enjoy in the long term; much less those coming after us; say our children and their children and then their children.

Think past your personal politics and consider our nation’s sovereignty. It matters!

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2011
10:12 pm

“Yeah, if you consider the Titanic as a great example of a successful voyage”

I saw a show once that claimed that due to the way the Titanic was constructed, she might have survived that iceberg if the Captain had turned her and rammed it head on.

Thulsa Doom

June 27th, 2011
10:18 pm

Titanic? Reminds me of Obamacare- a sizeable monstrosity doomed for failure right out of the gate.

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June 27th, 2011
10:19 pm

Dave R.:

You forgot one thing.

As of today, “Don’t Ass, Don’t Tail” is still the law of the land as upheld by the Supreme Court.

If that makes me a bigot I am proud of it !!!

getalife

June 27th, 2011
10:20 pm

I did three bottles of a hundred percocets after surgery.

The big shots of morphine was much better.

getalife

June 27th, 2011
10:21 pm

Dave,

Compared to w losing millions of jobs, it is much better.

Thulsa Doom

June 27th, 2011
10:21 pm

Something tells me you’ve still on drugs given your statements.

Upton Sinclair (Unsung)

June 27th, 2011
10:23 pm

Sinclair was disappointed by the impact of The Jungle. It was written as a cry for social justice, stressing the importance of taking care of society’s working class by redefining human rights. It had also depicted the corrupting nature of capitalism, a game where only a very few can reach the “American Dream” exclusively by the exploitation of expendable immigrant workers. Unfortunately for Sinclair, the public reacted with their stomachs. Congress enacted the Pure Food and Drug Act and the Meat Inspection Act of 1906, but the book did not do anything major pertaining to improving workers’ rights, and democratic socialism never became a major American political party. Although The Jungle was supposed to be what Harriet Beecher Stowe’s Uncle Tom’s Cabin did for slavery, The Jungle did not achieve its paramount goal. There are several reasons for its failure. For one, The Jungle’s realism undermines its socialist message. The concrete examples of dangerous meat products are considered a more important matter to take care of than the abstract message that oppressing immigrant workers is wrong and should be solved by converting everyone to the ideals of Socialism. Another reason was the discrimination and alienation of African Americans in The Jungle; although racism was still rampant in the early 1900’s, many people were offended by the book’s way of victimizing blacks, thus discouraging some would-be socialists. Driven by his want to better society, he wrote The Jungle as a means to convince others, especially appealing to the middle and upper classes, to convert their political philosophy to one that was then called the American Socialist Party. Upton Sinclair had become so blind to his own faith in socialism that he had substantially biased the book, having published the book punctuated with distorting “facts.” A case in point was the government meat inspectors’ accusal of Sinclair’s testimony: some of the sausages supposedly had human parts accidentally inserted in them. After inspecting the very same meat packing plants (Armour & Co., Swift, Morris, and Hammond) and finding no evidence of some “facts”, some seeds of doubt had begun to germinate, instigating some critics to condemn him of being a propagandist, and even worse, a phony. As distrust and skepticism from the government officials brought about doubt to Upton Sinclair’s works, supporters of the “beef trust” took immediate action to dismantle Upton Sinclair’s credibility as a writer. His reputation was so tarnished that even the audience who initially appreciated The Jungle would sneer at him and even today, the damage still takes its toll: “apart from The Jungle, Sinclair’s works have been largely forgotten, or perhaps simply mislaid, his name confused with that of Sinclair Lewis, the author of Main Street, Babbitt, and Dodsworth” (Denby 32).

Thulsa Doom

June 27th, 2011
10:23 pm

He just proved yet again he’s still on drugs with the nonsense that Bush lost millions of jobs. Somebody get that boy into rehab and out of the liberal fantasy land of blue unicorns.

Soothsayer

June 27th, 2011
10:24 pm

“I did three bottles of a hundred percocets after surgery.” Yee owwww! That must’ve been some comedown.

Anyhow, here’s a faery tale dream I want to share with you.

I think you will find it enlightening.

Streetracer

June 27th, 2011
10:28 pm

Doggone/GA – since my orgioanl post only said that plural and singular were not the same, I don’t think I owe you anything.

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2011
10:30 pm

” I don’t think I owe you anything”

My comment was ONLY about the part I quoted. Just as here. And your reply tells me everything I need to know.

getalife

June 27th, 2011
10:31 pm

Doom,

Just Lortabs and about ten other drugs.

Breakfast of Champions.

Thulsa Doom

June 27th, 2011
10:35 pm

getalife,

Looks like you and Rush Limbaugh do have a lot in common. Who woulda guessed it?

theyeshaveit

June 27th, 2011
10:38 pm

Thulsa,

Who’s smoking what? No pipe dream here; just the facts (albeit a bit dated it shows that we lost 4.5 million jobs under W.).

http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978035096

getalife

June 27th, 2011
10:40 pm

Doom,

Rush liked oxy’s to get high.

I take drugs because I have chronic pain for the rest of my life.

Thulsa Doom

June 27th, 2011
10:44 pm

theyeshaveit,

Nope according to the Bureau of Labor statistics we gained 4.5 million jobs under Bush. Look at the monthly numbers of when Bush took office vs when he left. Even our host Jay was forced to acknowledge this. Please read below and put down the oxycontin bottle.

chuck
June 2nd, 2011
8:47 pm
Oh, and BTW, Your assertion that Bush had fewer employed when he left than when he arrived is patently false. He had a net increase in jobs of close to 3,000,000.
Jay
June 2nd, 2011
9:00 pm
Actually, Chuck is right, more right than he realizes. I was relying on annual data for the numbers on Bush employment. The monthly figures, Jan 01 to Jan 09, were 137.2 million to 142.2 million, or an increase of 4.5 million.
My error, and I apologize.= Jay

Thulsa Doom

June 27th, 2011
10:49 pm

theeyeshaveit,

From your own link the article states that jobs lost during the Bush recession which began at the end of 2007. What you stated is misleading in that overall throughout his tenure Bush created net jobs. You also have to look at the fact that during several of the early Bush years we were at full employment or near full employment. Its difficult to add jobs when you’re already at full employment. Its like asking someone who averages 98 on their exams to raise their average. Much easier for someone who is averaging 77 on their exams to raise their average.

The red shows the growing job losses by month from the end of 2007 through January of 2009. There were over 4.5 million jobs lost during that period, all of which occurred BEFORE President Obama took office. And the trend was getting worse, big time.

Thulsa Doom

June 27th, 2011
10:58 pm

getalife,

Sorry to hear that. I have customers who have chronic pain for the rest of their lives- usually back problems but it can be a number of issues. And unfortunately a few of them developed painkiller addictions which is what happened to not only Limbaugh, Elvis, and Brett Farve but countless other people. Hell I have a 58 year old little ole lady that can’t get life insurance because of a prescription drug addiction- oxyconting from 12 years ago.

lynnie gal

June 27th, 2011
10:59 pm

Here we go again–conservatives wasting our money on unnecessary legal fights to enforce an unconstitutional law that will eventually be overturned. Meanwhile, crops rot on the vine and our food prices go up. Way to go, republicans!

getalife

June 27th, 2011
11:04 pm

Doom,

You have no idea what pain is but at the end of your soulless career and life, you will.

I love pain because it reminds me I am not dead yet.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 27th, 2011
11:12 pm

getalife:

Good grief ……… what kind of surgery.

I had full (not orthoscopic) rotator cuff and that’s the worst pain I ever had ………..

getalife

June 27th, 2011
11:20 pm

Scout,

Aortic valve replacement surgery.

The fun part is when they yank out the two one inch drainage tubes in ICU.

It is like getting shot.

Some minor brain surgery.

No biggie.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 27th, 2011
11:24 pm

Roger that.

That’s what my boxer died from last year …….. just shy of five years old. It got infected and led to heart failure. The vet said they have tried replacing them in dogs but it just doesn’t work like it does for humans.

Glad it worked out o.k. for you …………. in the old days ………………… !

The trouble with my rotator cuff surgery is that I started coming out of it during surgery……………that happens more often than most people think but since one of the drugs they give you makes you “forget”, few people remember the experience.

Kind of like the tree fallying in the woods ………….. if you can’t remember it, was there any pain ………………… :o

getalife

June 27th, 2011
11:34 pm

Scout,

I remember every minute of it.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 27th, 2011
11:36 pm

You should sue !

getalife

June 27th, 2011
11:41 pm

No Scout.

They saved my life twice.

I thanked them and still do.

Uncle Jed

June 27th, 2011
11:42 pm

getalife

June 27th, 2011
10:40 pm
Doom,

Rush liked oxy’s to get high.

I take drugs because I have chronic pain for the rest of my life.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Well, well; we now have some clarity as to the background substance (abuse) of your posts; as many of us already suspected.

Is Ken Nuggent your saviour, or do you worship Sokolove? LOSER!

Uncle Jed

June 27th, 2011
11:49 pm

getalife

June 27th, 2011
11:20 pm
Scout,

Aortic valve replacement surgery.

The fun part is when they yank out the two one inch drainage tubes in ICU.

It is like getting shot.

Some minor brain surgery.

No biggie.
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Typical drunken (stoned) liberal horse $hit. If you had brain surgery;
(which I wouldn’t brag about), they obviously removed the good part.
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Indians (aka native americans) would name you; “Walking Eagle”, which translates to: too full of crap to fly.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 27th, 2011
11:49 pm

getalife:

The surgeon did ………….. the anethesiologist could have cost you your life !!!

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 27th, 2011
11:50 pm

Uncle Jed:

Be nice ………….. we can fight later.

Uncle Jed

June 27th, 2011
11:52 pm

I agree Scout, but the chick is lying, plain and simple. I don’t do liars well, my friend.

getalife

June 27th, 2011
11:52 pm

Thanks Jed.

Half my brain and body is dead so my posts are not that bad from a man that is half the man he used to be.

Loser?

Too bad we can’t change bodies for five minutes.

You would be reaching for a gun to end it.

Me, I keep fighting.

Uncle Jed

June 27th, 2011
11:54 pm

Honestly. Go get another glass of wine; then get out and interact with somebody. LOSER!

Uncle Jed

June 27th, 2011
11:56 pm

And besides; how in the heck do you make the assumption that I, or other posters, are not in a worse state than yourself? Hmmmm?!?

getalife

June 27th, 2011
11:58 pm

Do tell Jed.

Uncle Jed

June 28th, 2011
12:00 am

And as I bid you a farewell for tonight: Your latest posts are much more piteeful than your actual condition. You know it; I know it; America knows it. Actually, I pity a person like you.

getalife

June 28th, 2011
12:03 am

Thanks Jed.

When you are ready to share your illness, I will listen and not call you a loser or a liar.

We can compare gory details if you want.

Kamchak

June 28th, 2011
12:25 am

Actually, I pity a person like you.

More passive/aggressive crap.