Judge: Ga. seeks ‘climate of hostility, fear, mistrust, insecurity’

U.S. District Judge Thomas Thrash has blocked enforcement of the most aggressive law enforcement provisions of Georgia’s new illegal immigration law, ruling that they interfere with federal responsibilities to enforce immigration law.

“The [state’s} claim that the new criminal statutes will prevent exploitation of illegal aliens is gross hypocrisy,” Thrash concluded. “The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.”

That’s pretty much on the nose. And while the judge didn’t offer a conclusion about whether such a goal was good or bad, he did rule that such steps, if they are taken, must be taken by the federal government, not by the states. As a result, “state and local law enforcement officers and officials have no authorization to arrest, detain or prosecute anyone based upon Sections 7 and 8 of HB 87 while this injunction remains in effect.”

However, 21 other sections of the law will go into effect July 1.

In a footnote in his ruling, Thrash pointed out an affidavit filed by Lewis Smith, a 23-year veteran of law enforcement in Georgia and the police chief of the small town of Uvalda. According to Thrash, Smith’s statement “outlines the problems that rural, small town Georgia law enforcement officers will have in trying to enforce Section 8.”

Smith’s statement does that, and a lot more.

“This is going to be devastating to my community and to many other areas of rural Georgia,” the chief’s affidavit reads. “I believe this law will open the door to racial profiling if it is implemented. There are a lot of good police officers, but there are some bad ones out there too, and if the bad ones don’t like Hispanics, for whatever reason, they will have the ability to try to verify that person’s immigration status. I believe that officers in many small towns will rely on physical appearance or way of talking (accent) to determine whether to stop someone and attempt to verify the person’s immigration status.”

Smith also explained the burden that enforcing HB 87 would place on him and other law enforcement officers. After talking with fellow officers, he said, he has come to the conclusion that “police officers in many towns will feel compelled to always exercise their authority to ask about immigration status, making many communities less safe and stretching already thin police forces to their limit.”

In Smith’s case, he is the lone officer in Uvalda, a town of 600 in southeast Georgia. The closest jail is 40 miles away in Soperton, which means that transporting a suspected illegal immigrant to jail, booking the person and returning home would pull Smith off patrol for at least two hours and 15 minutes.

“Because Uvalda is such a small town, everyone in town knows when I’ve left town, and the criminal element often takes advantage of this time to commit crimes,” he told the court.

And about that criminal element?

“The criminal element in Uvalda does not include the population HB 87 targets. In Uvalda, even though we are a small town, we have a big prescription drug problem resulting in break-ins, burglaries and even suicides.” The Hispanics in his town, on the other hand, “are law-abiding people. They have family and kids.”

“In small towns like Uvalda,” Smith told the court, “life is more personal. As chief, I get to know people for who they are, rather than just a statistic or a word such as ‘illegal.’ The immigrants in my community have children, and they just need a chance, just like everyone else does.”

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Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 27th, 2011
5:36 pm

“The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.”

And if that’s the only way to gain control, what’s wrong with it?

Real Scooter

June 27th, 2011
5:36 pm

First? no way

Left wing management

June 27th, 2011
5:36 pm

It’s all the liberals fault

Real Scooter

June 27th, 2011
5:37 pm

Didn’t think so! :grin:

Real Scooter

June 27th, 2011
5:38 pm

It’s all the liberals fault

AMEN! LWM :lol:

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 27th, 2011
5:43 pm

I guess it really doesn’t matter this is all headed to the SCOTUS anyway and the judge did leave most of it intact.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 27th, 2011
5:46 pm

“The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia”

Notice he did NOT say “all illegal AND legal aliens”.

So, what’s the problem?

We want ONLY the illegals to leave.

But alas, the SCOTUS will have the last say on all of this and we will either regain control of our borders or cease over time to be a sovereign nation.

Our grandchildren and great-grandchildren will be the ones to pay the price.

Real Scooter

June 27th, 2011
5:48 pm

JOSEF-AMVET!!!!!!!!

Shake hands with each other. Please!

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 27th, 2011
5:50 pm

“This is just the kind of judge that if green Martians had landed and were eating people alive, he would determine they had “extra-terrestrial galactic” Constitutional rights and police couldn’t stop and interrogate anyone just because they were green.

When anyone in this country (anyone) can pick and choose which laws to obey, we are in more trouble than we realize.

Real Scooter

June 27th, 2011
5:51 pm

Ok,now I feel better.I will stfu and just read.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 27th, 2011
5:51 pm

Off to the dog park to look for illegal dogs.

Moderate Line

June 27th, 2011
5:53 pm

“The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.”

That’s pretty much on the nose. And while the judge didn’t offer a conclusion about whether such a goal was good or bad, he did rule that such steps, if they are taken, must be taken by the federal government, not by the states
++++
Only the federal government can create “climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.”

Seriously.

josef

June 27th, 2011
5:54 pm

Scooter

I will as soon as he puts the carpetbag down? :-)

Moderate Line

June 27th, 2011
5:54 pm

Because Uvalda is such a small town, everyone in town knows when I’ve left town, and the criminal element often takes advantage of this time to commit crimes,” he told the court.
++++++
What happens when this guy goes to sleep? Seriously.

I really can’t take this seriously.

Moderate Line

June 27th, 2011
5:58 pm

In Smith’s case, he is the lone officer in Uvalda, a town of 600 in southeast Georgia. The closest jail is 40 miles away in Soperton, which means that transporting a suspected illegal immigrant to jail, booking the person and returning home would pull Smith off patrol for at least two hours and 15 minutes.
+++++
How often would this happen in a town that is 1.9 square miles. lol

Thanks for the laugh.

Whaheema

June 27th, 2011
5:59 pm

Let’s imagine that we were talking about thieves instead of people who have broken immigration law. Would it be ok to create a climate in which by due process thieves felt uncomfortable and left? I hope so.

Now that Mr. Obama has clearly said that it is his responsibility to enforce the law and to secure the border, let’s consider how he is doing?

Why s a Ga. Law needed if he were doing his job?

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
6:00 pm

Scout from downstairs…

The case you make is already taken care of by the 287(g) program. When someone’s arrested and found to be in the country without legal status, ICE puts a detainer on them and begins deportation proceedings once their criminal case is adjudicated. We don’t need any additional laws to accomplish that. All that’s needed is to train more officers and adequately fund that program.

As an aside, I’m guessing your mental midgetry causes you to use the “Brosepuss” when responding to something I’ve said. If I can show your respect and not call you out of your name, even though I have good knowledge on what your real name is, you can at least be a grownup and show me the same courtesy. However, if the infant in you can’t be contained, then I’ll chalk up your actions as the immaturity of my elders.

Recon

From downstairs. I don’t really care much for that provision of Medicaid myself. Under the grounds of inadmissibility in the INA, there’s a charge for being a public charge, or being like a ward of the state. It’s quite hard for us to charge someone with that particular charge, even when we have proof they’ve applied for Medicaid. I understand the health implications of denying health services to those in need of care, but there’s gotta be something the suits can do to cut back on the use of Medicaid by those who are not paying for it.

Logical Dude

June 27th, 2011
6:01 pm

deja vu!

21 parts of the law are okay. It’s just those 2 that overstep the constitution.

Recon: And if that’s the only way to gain control, what’s wrong with it?

If you have to ask. . . you have already lost your liberty.

Soothsayer

June 27th, 2011
6:01 pm

Jay

June 27th, 2011
6:03 pm

Whaheema, as the judge notes, “mere presence in this country without authorization is not a federal crime.”

So there goes your comparison.

Left wing management

June 27th, 2011
6:03 pm

I wonder how common meth addiction is among youth and/or adults in the Uvalda area, and the casualty rate of area natives in foreign wars in the past decade.

Soothsayer

June 27th, 2011
6:05 pm

Hey, Jay, here’s an article you may find interesting.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/print/gone_with_the_papers_20110627

DH-ATL

June 27th, 2011
6:05 pm

Thank you Judge Thrash for banning this horrid (and racist) law–
Its all about demographics and (non-republican) voter supression for those republican lawmakers that cynically support this bill…

Jay

June 27th, 2011
6:08 pm

Judging from Chief Lewis’ affidavit, Left Wing, the problem is more likely Oxycontin.

And Sooth, I don’t need to read it, I live it.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

June 27th, 2011
6:11 pm

Jay, why no thread on Blagojevich??

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
6:11 pm

Jay

June 27th, 2011
6:15 pm

Woodstock, cuz we knew he was crooked three years ago and posted about it at the time.

Doncha think this is old news by now? I mean, what more is there to say?

WOODSTOCK MIKE

June 27th, 2011
6:15 pm

ROD BLAGOJEVICH:

The epitome of a corrupt politician… And yes, he is a Democrat, can you believe it?

josef

June 27th, 2011
6:17 pm

The world of the illegals “out there” and those in the urban areas are different worlds. The personal distance “out there” goes a long, long way toward mitigating that sense of isolation and, yes, fear. In my hometown when I was growing up there were no “Hispanics.” The story of how the first ones came in is rather interesting to me and there is a personal element here.

Here’s how it goes for those interested. A fellow was passing through and had a wreck in front of Mama’s house. It was pretty serious. She went down and held his hand comforting him as best she could until help arrived. He was in the hospital several weeks. Everybody in town wanted to know how he was doing since he might as well have been a Martian, he was that exotic, Mama was there the whole time with him. When he was released, he decided to stay where the people had been so good to him, Mama being his “saint.” He went to work, doing odd jobs and soon enough got a job with “the city” working in maintenance. He brought some of his family up. Soon enough there were more and more relatives coming in, each and every one screened by Tomas. He soon opened a couple of businesses. Their kids went to school, did well, and two of them became teachers. Another became a nurse. Most, though, in the first generation worked in the local furniture factory and/or did farm labor. Any problem and Tomas is called in. He was elected to the city council (he was able to get his citizenship papers without a lot of hassle, having himself come legally and having followed the rules and regs.) It came time to start up a Catholic congregation and Mama donated a plot of ground for it, and gave the Bishop hell until he took care of business himself. Tomas pretty much runs his own INS…mess up and get sent home. Period. How many are legal and how many are not? Who knows. Those anchor babies though speak fluent English with a North Mississippi twang you could cut with a hatchet, Spanish with a Monterrey accent just as native, have married amongst the locals.

A success story? Unusual? Perhaps, but I’m inclined to think not. As the Uvalda policeman says, given a chance…

Moderate Line

June 27th, 2011
6:24 pm

It’s hard to believe you could find a police officer in the Vidalia area that would be opposed to farmers in the area getting cheap labor through illegal immigration. I’m shocked!Shocked!

poison pen

June 27th, 2011
6:25 pm

Jay

” Woodstock, cuz we knew he was crooked three years ago and posted about it at the time.”

Doncha think this is old news by now? I mean, what more is there to say?

Jay, I thought you libs were the last to condem a person before their trial. You knew 3 years ago, AMAZING!

midtownguy

June 27th, 2011
6:26 pm

It’s a complex issue. I worked for many years with refugees and I can tell you one of the groups most ardently opposed to illegal entry are those who waited and came legally. That said, it appears that state governments are taking action only because the federal government is doing absolutely nothing. We should be demanding leadership on this issue from our Senators and Representatives rather than passing state laws.

poison pen

June 27th, 2011
6:27 pm

This cop, and I use the term loosly, is afraid of racial discrimination, well if he is the only cop in town then it shouldn’t be a problem, right!

Jay

June 27th, 2011
6:28 pm

Yeah, Poison, it just takes you guys a little longer to catch up with the rest of us.

poison pen

June 27th, 2011
6:30 pm

Jay, that is true, we don’t condem someone until they have their day in court, thanks for making that clear and I hope we never catch up to you guys.

Jimmy62

June 27th, 2011
6:30 pm

The mistrust was created by people who flout our laws, and the politicians and journalists who cover for them.

midtownguy

June 27th, 2011
6:30 pm

Woodstock: Corruption knows no “D” or “R” (I personally thought Bill Campbell and Linda Schrenko should have been forced to share a jail cell).

Jay

June 27th, 2011
6:30 pm

Jay, that is true, we don’t condem someone until they have their day in court,

Right Poison.

Go sell that to John Edwards.

AmVet

June 27th, 2011
6:33 pm

“This cop, and I use the term loosly (sic)…”

Why?

Joe Mama

June 27th, 2011
6:37 pm

Mike — “The epitome of a corrupt politician… And yes, he is a Democrat, can you believe it?”

I want ALL corrupt pols found out, tried and punished. I don’t care what party they belong to.

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
6:37 pm

Right Poison.

Go sell that to John Edwards.

Or Anthony Weiner…

josef

June 27th, 2011
6:38 pm

BTW
Illegal from the illegal’s perspective…an interesting read in yesterday’s NYT magazine section…worth a read, imho…

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2011
6:38 pm

“Go sell that to John Edwards”

Or Anthony Weiner

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2011
6:39 pm

Brosephus! GMTA!

saywhat?

June 27th, 2011
6:41 pm

Jay-”Right Poison.

Go sell that to John Edwards.”

or Bill Clinton, or Barack Obama, or Anthony Weiner, or…. the list is endless.

saywhat?

June 27th, 2011
6:42 pm

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
6:42 pm

Doggone

:)

I had to read Jay’s comment a few times. I was seeing John Edwards, but my mind was registering Weiner.

Moderate Line

June 27th, 2011
6:42 pm

MARTIN: Now, and again I wanted to ask you a question I asked Jeanne Bonner earlier which is there are federal visa programs that do allow farmers to bring migrant workers legally there are specific visa programs for this. Is it that farmers weren’t taking advantage of them, or these workers weren’t coming here under those programs? I mean…

BRIDGES: Well, this is – there’s a two-pronged issue with that. One is many farmers tell me that that program doesn’t work because several of the farmers have small acreages of produce to be harvested and that program is extremely cumbersome to complete. Now, some of the larger onion farmers who have acres and acres have been able to successfully use that program, but the majority of the smaller farms just – it’s just a cumbersome program to use. And the other part of this is that we have people who have been here for several years.

http://www.npr.org/2011/06/23/137369275/ga-s-new-immigration-law-sparks-farmers-fears

Bridges is the Mayor of Uvalda.

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
6:43 pm

josef

Was that article about the journalist that came out, or the group of young protesters?

Dropped you a buzz at SE!!

josef

June 27th, 2011
6:45 pm

BROSEPHUS

Gotcha!

josef

June 27th, 2011
6:47 pm

BROSEPHUS

That was the article…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 27th, 2011
6:49 pm

Well, this judge is flat-out wrong. I ain’t hostile, afraid, mistrustful or insecure about a bunch of illegals. I just want them out of this country before they kill or rob me and mine or get my taxes raised with their babys being born in our hospital. So while this appeal is happening I’ll just keep my anti-tank gun and the two machine guns I use for hunting and self-defense close by. They might get me but I’ll take a whole bunch of them with me. I just hope the lazy bums don’t get the price of my vegetables and chickens shooting thru the roof. The least they could do is pick the crops before we arrest them and put them in jail.

Waldo

June 27th, 2011
6:50 pm

“The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.”

If this is the standard, then ALL laws should come off the books. I’m guessing that a murderer or rapist feels hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity when on the run from the law. We can’t create an environment where these poor criminals have their feeling hurt, can we now.

@@

June 27th, 2011
6:50 pm

Which is it, jay?

“The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.”

That’s pretty much on the nose.

Your nose seems out of joint, when, back in May, you were saying this:

Although federal courts may come to a different conclusion, the new Georgia law strikes me as considerably less dangerous to civil liberties than the law in Arizona, parts of which have been suspended by federal courts.

Chief Smith is trying to save his little farming community, nothing more. Small town folk love to spin a good yarn.

Bob

June 27th, 2011
6:50 pm

Democrats will do anything for votes. 17% real unemployment for American citizens and don’t even mention the unemployment for blacks. If the libs want to do what is right for the country and for the poor and downtrodden, they would open up these jobs by having the illegal aliens self-deport. The NAACP should be aligning with the GOP to support their core base.

Again, the dems know they have the majority of the black vote and want the Hispanic vote. They are also the party that does not want ID checks at polling places. HMMM?

There is your Obama transparency.

Tight with the Right

June 27th, 2011
6:54 pm

The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity that all illegal aliens will leave Georgia.

Well, duh. Nice grasp of the obvious there, Holmes.

What is it about “illegal” that you don’t understand? Those people are illegal which means that they are criminals and their world is going be like that of illegal criminals.

Jay

June 27th, 2011
6:57 pm

Again, Tight, “those people” are NOT criminals.

As the judge notes, “mere presence in this country without authorization is not a federal crime.”

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2011
6:57 pm

“Those people are illegal which means that they are criminals ”

Actually, they aren’t. Illegal immigration is a civil offense, not a criminal offense

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 27th, 2011
6:57 pm

According to the U.S. Federal Trade Commission, Social Intelligence Corp, has been given the legal thumbs up to archive seven years worth of your Facebook posts. These archives will be used by SIC (oh the applicability of the acronym) as part of their background checking service for job applicants.

Let’s hope they dont start archiving this blog and running the names down for background checks…..some people are going to have a lot of splaining to do.

Waldo

June 27th, 2011
6:58 pm

And Jay, look at that last quote from Smith: “The immigrants in my community have children, and they just need a chance, just like everyone else does.”

Clearly this is not him speaking as a sheriff, it’s him speaking as a liberal who – like yourself – does not view illegal immigration as a crime.

Jay, you are giving Cynthia a run for her money for the coveted ‘Dumbest on AJC’s Payroll’ title. Until recently, I did not think anyone was capable of that.

Bob

June 27th, 2011
6:59 pm

I lived near Cedar Crossing for 4 years. It is a few miles from Uvalda and I know that the Montgomery County sheriff is all over this area. Shoots a hole in the sheriff’s fears about crime if he goes to Soperton.

NotImpressed

June 27th, 2011
7:00 pm

We need to make Georgia the DEPORTATION STATION CAPITAL of the country! We don’t want or need the Illegal Immigrants here – they add nothing to our society – all they do is take away and feed on our tax dollars, clog up our emergency rooms and eat up tax dollars that could be better spent educating our children. There is NOTHING WRONG WITH PROFILING CRIMINALS and that is what Illegal Immigrants are. I say prosecute to the fullest extent of the law any body or any business – including any church organization – that aids or abets any illegal immigrant in any way! Bring on ICE, The Border Patrol and enable all Law Enforcement employess to arrest and deport illegals immediately. To “Protect and To Serve” should be changed to “ENFORCE & DEPORT”. Let’s hope we can instill enough fear that they will get up and leave in the middle of the night!

josef

June 27th, 2011
7:03 pm

Kinda strange, ain’t it, that those yapping the loudest about the “illegals” haven’t the vaguest notion of what the law is…the distinction between civil and criminal totally “alien” territory!

josef

June 27th, 2011
7:05 pm

Notimpressed

Yep. Them, the Jews and the Ragpickers…

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2011
7:05 pm

“Clearly this is not him speaking as a sheriff, it’s him speaking as a liberal ”

“Let’s hope we can instill enough fear that they will get up and leave in the middle of the night”

That pretty much brackets it, doesn’t it? Compassion is a “liberal” quality and therefor to be rejected. And rely on fear. It always comes down to fear, doesn’t it?

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
7:10 pm

josef

I read it. I think we’re in for a wild ride over the next few years with immigration. However, it won’t change my way of doing things at work unless the law makes me change.

Atlanta 1

June 27th, 2011
7:11 pm

The parts that were struck down, should have been. The parts that were held up, should have been.

The law is right where it should be now.

AmVet

June 27th, 2011
7:11 pm

“…some people are going to have a lot of splaining to do.”

And I have a very vulgar running joke of a comment to John Ashcroft (and by proxy, his corporate taskmasters and partners in crime.)

I had a strange feeling based on how the thread downstairs was turning, that we would see some people here go very anti-police on this topic.

Though I’ve seen *nothing* that indicates Smith has in any way served other than with honor, effectiveness and integrity.

If someone here has some information regarding their semi-alleged, non-allegations and other nefarious behavior, I would like to see it.

Waldo

June 27th, 2011
7:15 pm

@Doggone/GA

There’s a difference between compassion and embracing (or even celebrating) illegal activity. I understand that, you clearly don’t.

Real Scooter

June 27th, 2011
7:15 pm

I will as soon as he puts the carpetbag down?

LMAO!! josef. I will try to catch up here. Whew!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 27th, 2011
7:16 pm

AmVet…we’ve seen it before. When they have nothing else, smear the character. Scout did it the other day with that Marine officer who spoke up about the Constitution. It’s a shameful tactic and shame on those who use it.

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
7:16 pm

There is NOTHING WRONG WITH PROFILING CRIMINALS and that is what Illegal Immigrants are.

Care to point out anywhere in 8 USC where it states that being present without inspection is a criminal offense? I have two copies of 8 USC and I have yet to see that passage anywhere.

Bring on ICE, The Border Patrol and enable all Law Enforcement employess to arrest and deport illegals immediately.

Not gonna happen. As a nation that believes in laws, even people present without inspection have the right to appear before an immigration judge in different circumstances. There are few select groups who don’t have that right, one being people who enter the US under the Visa Waiver Program. They get to enter without having a visa in their passport, however, they waive the right to appear before an IJ to contest any admissibility issues.

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2011
7:17 pm

“There’s a difference between compassion and embracing (or even celebrating) illegal activity.”

Since I have done neither, I don’t see your point. I, too, know the difference. And they aren’t mutually exclusive.

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2011
7:20 pm

“There is NOTHING WRONG WITH PROFILING CRIMINALS”

Profiling is not aimed at criminals. It is aimed at a population that MIGHT BE crimals. In other words, at mostly INNOCENT people.

Real Scooter

June 27th, 2011
7:25 pm

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2011
7:20 pm

Good point Doggone! I hadn’t thought about it that way.

F. Sinkwich

June 27th, 2011
7:29 pm

Well, it’s obvious Jay and his lib ilk celebrate illegal immigration.

They have no problem paying taxes to support their leech lifestyle.

Oh, that’s right, most of the lib ilks don’t pay taxes.

Never mind.

Waldo

June 27th, 2011
7:30 pm

“Profiling is not aimed at criminals. It is aimed at a population that MIGHT BE crimals. In other words, at mostly INNOCENT people.”

So if a white male driving a red jeep knocks off a liquor store then the police should not put out an APB with that description because they might accidentally pull over the wrong guy?

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2011
7:31 pm

“Good point Doggone! I hadn’t thought about it that way”

Thanks. That’s why “racial profiling” is pretty much illegal. But behavioral profiling is not.

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
7:31 pm

Oh, that’s right, most of the lib ilks don’t pay taxes.

lib ilks…. Is that a new breed of elk or something? Can they be grilled or smoked and doused in BBQ sauce? The creativity of the pseudo-conservative thought process leaves me gasping for breaths of reality sometimes….

AmVet

June 27th, 2011
7:32 pm

ty webb

June 27th, 2011
7:32 pm

actually, illegal immigration is a crime.

F. Sinkwich

June 27th, 2011
7:33 pm

Yep, Waldo, that’s true in lib world.

It’s called libroolery.

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
7:33 pm

So if a white male driving a red jeep knocks off a liquor store then the police should not put out an APB with that description because they might accidentally pull over the wrong guy?

It’s not profiling if you have an accurate description for a particular subject you’re looking for. Do you happen to have an accurate description that will apply to all allegedly 12 million illegal immigrants here in the US? If you have one, I’m sure my colleagues would love to have it. It would make our lives and jobs much, much easier.

josef

June 27th, 2011
7:33 pm

Brosephus

Yep. A wild one indeed…and it’s not a good time to be criminally swarthy, Spanish surnamed or speak with an accent (well at least a Spanish one!)…

stands for decibels

June 27th, 2011
7:33 pm

The apparent legislative intent is to create such a climate of hostility, fear, mistrust and insecurity

New here, are you, your honor?

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2011
7:34 pm

“So if a white male driving a red jeep knocks off a liquor store then the police should not put out an APB with that description because they might accidentally pull over the wrong guy?”

That is NOT profiling. Profiling is, for instance, stopping every car that has an Hispanic man in it on the off-chance that they might be carrying drugs.

Profiling is done in the absence of a known crime, in the hopes of finding someone who is breaking the law. What you outlined is a search based on the KNOWN CHARATERISTICS of an ACTUAL criminal.

stands for decibels

June 27th, 2011
7:35 pm

For the record, I’ve paid income tax every f-cking year I’ve ever f-cking worked so y’all can f-ck off with that f-cking “libruls pay no income taxes” f-cktardery.

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
7:35 pm

actually, illegal immigration is a crime.

It is a crime, but it is a civil crime. It doesn’t even register as a misdemeanor crime. It’s simply a civil charge that carries a fine.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 27th, 2011
7:36 pm

I just called the ilk lodge to find out when the illegal immigration celebrations would be. I was clearly informed that they will be conducted one week from today. Fireworks, hotdogs, hamburgers….. and parades.

All courtesy of the Ilk Lodge in your area. Ilk…they do liberal causes for good…..

stands for decibels

June 27th, 2011
7:36 pm

And that goes double for you, Sinkwich.

F. Sinkwich

June 27th, 2011
7:38 pm

“Profiling is, for instance, stopping every car that has an Hispanic man in it on the off-chance that they might be carrying drugs.”

Of course you, Doggone, can provide examples of that happening….

AmVet

June 27th, 2011
7:38 pm

They’re very rare, Bro, that’s why we don’t know much about them.

However…

http://www.11alive.com/news/article/195892/186/GRANT-PARK-Rare-Zoo-Atlanta-antelope-pregnant

ty webb

June 27th, 2011
7:39 pm

sorry brosephus, but U.S.C 8, section 1325 says otherwise…some people(not you) think if they repeat a lie over and over, it becomes fact. illegal immigration is a crime.

Real Scooter

June 27th, 2011
7:39 pm

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
7:31 pm

LMAO!! You are on a roll dude!

AmVet

June 27th, 2011
7:40 pm

Uncle Jed

June 27th, 2011
7:42 pm

One judge, one opinion, blah-blah-blah.

Since some seem interested in court rulings and someone asked about Blago-(D) and some were still wondering about that “Culture of Corruption” thingy:

Count 1-Wire fraud related to Children’s Memorial Hospital-GUILTY
Count 2-Wire fraud related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY
Count 3-Wire fraud related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY
Count 4-Wire fraud related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY
Count 5-Wire fraud related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY
Count 6-Wire fraud related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY
Count 7-Wire fraud related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY
Count 8-Wire fraud related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY
Count 9-Wire fraud related to the Racing Bill-GUILTY
Count 10-Wire fraud related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY
Count 11-Attempted extortion related to School Shakedown-NO VERDICT
Count 12-Attempted extortion related to Children’s Memorial Hospital-GUILTY
Count 13-Bribery related to Children’s Memorial Hospital-GUILTY
Count 14-Extortion conspiracy related to Racing Bill-GUILTY
Count 15-Bibery conspiracy related to Racing Bill-GUILTY
Count 16-Attempted Extortion related to Tollway Shakedown-NO VERDICT
Count 17-Bibery related to Tollway Shakedown-NOT GUILTY
Count 18-Extortion conspiracy related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY
Count 19-Attempted extortion related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY
Count 20-Bribery conspiracy related to the Senate Seat-GUILTY

Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/The-20-Counts-of-Blagojevich-123629399.html?dr#ixzz1QWSU1iOX

F. Sinkwich

June 27th, 2011
7:42 pm

Hey, stand, congratulations for being of of the lib ilk that actually gets a tax bill. Did you pay your taxes based on the pre-Bush rates? You know, tax cuts for the rich and all.

Please show your Mom your post as I’m sure she will be proud.

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2011
7:43 pm

“Of course you, Doggone, can provide examples of that happening….”

“The issue of racial profiling by police briefly grabbed the attention of the press when New Jersey Governor Christine Todd Whitman recently fired the head of the state police after he accused blacks and hispanics of being more likely to be drug dealers and therefore deserving of heightened police scrutiny. Whitman earned glowing coverage for her swift action”

http://www.counterpunch.org/drivingblack.html

todd

June 27th, 2011
7:44 pm

That the vast majority of people that respond to this post and others like it supporting tougher ILLEGAL immigration laws speaks volumes. Liberal Bookman and those that support allowing invaders to stay in our country without penalty are a small minority. Anyone with a brain understands that a society without laws and responsibilities will never stand. Together we will take back our country from these weak worthless liberal maggots in 2012. God will once again bless America.

josef

June 27th, 2011
7:44 pm

Brosephus

Is there a Lib Ilks Lodge? When do they meet? Want to sponsor me?

ZamVet

Uvalda: Where tradition meets tomorrow… not a bad motto…