Institution of marriage gathers strength in NY
With Friday night’s vote in the New York Senate, the Empire State is set to become the sixth state, in addition to the District of Columbia, in which gay marriage is legal. And because New York will be by far the largest state to take that step, the number of Americans able to marry others of the same gender will effectively double.
This is, of course, the end of Western civilization and of the foundation on which it is built, which is the institution of marriage. Or not.
Kathryn Jean Lopez, writing at the National Review’s “The Corner,” has likened the vote by elected representatives in New York to the brutal repression exercised in North Korea, bizarrely claiming that we Americans are “witnessing tyranny today that is fostered by a false sense of freedom, a tyranny that faux tolerance ferments.”
John Guardiano, writing in the American Spectator, also laments the decline of marriage:
“…. the institution of marriage is [under threat] — so much so that marriage rates in America have plummeted and out-of-wedlock births have skyrocketed.
National Review’s Rich Lowry notes, for instance, that the number of Americans in intact first marriages has dropped from 73 percent in the 1970s to as little as 39 percent today, depending on socioeconomic status. And the poorer and less educated you are, the more likely you are to suffer from the political and cultural degradation of marriage.
Just 45 percent of moderately educated, middle-income Americans are in intact first marriages. For the poorest and least-educated Americans, the corresponding figure is 39 percent.”
Personally, I’m a strong believer in marriage, both as a living arrangement for adults and as the best possible setting in which to raise children. (”Best possible,” however, should not be confused with “only;” the unpredictability of human beings and the realities of life do not allow such blanket statements.)
However, I’ve never seen even a vaguely convincing argument that gay marriage has any affect whatsoever on the status of marriage among heterosexual couples.
Guardiano, for example, tries to suggest that gay marriage has “everything” to do with some ill-defined campaign by ill-defined forces to undercut marriage and bring the country down around our ears.
“Sure, this breakdown in the family has occurred independent of the push for ‘marriage equality’,” he writes. “But it is still part and parcel of an overarching effort to undermine and deprecate traditional marriage and the traditional family. It is still part of a broader political and cultural movement to decouple marriage from its principal purpose, which is the care and raising of children.”
What nonsense.
The care and raising of children is certainly “A” purpose of marriage, and is in fact one reason that gay couples seek that right. However, it is not THE purpose of marriage.
The existence of millions of loving couples who are childless either by choice or by nature refute that claim. Marriages of older couples beyond their child-bearing years refute that claim. Guardiano and others who make such an argument actually belittle marriage by stripping it down to a crude, single-purpose functionality — the raising of children — that seeks to deny its deep emotional rewards and challenges.
The suggestion that gay marriage is part of a guerrilla effort to undercut marriage itself is further undercut by hard data. In general, gay marriage has gained a foothold in those states in which marriage is already strongest, and it is rejected in states where marriage is more threatened.
Massachusetts, the first state to make gay marriage legal, has by far the lowest annual divorce rate in the country, at a mere 1.8 percent. New York has an annual divorce rate of 2.5 percent.
Georgia, in contrast, has an annual divorce rate of 3.2 percent.
In fact, the seven jurisdictions in which gay marriage is now legal, including the District of Columbia, have an average annual divorce rate of 2.7 percent. The average annual divorce rate in the 28 states in which recognition of gay marriage is explicitly banned, including Georgia, is 3.9 percent.
For the record, the New York bill contains explicit protections to ensure that religious organizations cannot be forced to recognize gay marriage or be forced to host marriages, receptions or similar ceremonies. While such protections are probably unnecessary, I think they’re also entirely appropriate. The histrionics of Lopez and others about tyranny aside, this is not an attempt to use government to impose something; it is an attempt to convince government to allow all of its citizens, not just some, to share in the benefits, rights and obligations of a critically important human institution.
– Jay Bookman
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1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
2:46 pm
NEW PARIAH !
The “pariah” of the federal government (rightly or wrongly) has long been the IRS.\
Enter now the TSA ………. and deservedly so.
HEADLINE: “Search of 95-year-old has TSA on defensive”
“Cancer-stricken mother asked to remove wet diaper that set off alarms”
Mel
June 27th, 2011
2:46 pm
Thulsa Doom –
Quote your Bible Verse, please. I also don’t recall learning that the Bible was written by God.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:46 pm
Pope granny godzilla- authority extraordinaire on the bible.
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
2:47 pm
For all those posting religious crap condemning homosexuality…guess what? That is your opinion and is not the opinion of the Supreme Court, US Code or the US Constitution…
So unless you can provide 1 LEGAL reason why gays should not be allowed to marry, I suggest you take your bigoted opinions and go commiserate together over the inevitable. Mathematics and time are not on your side, and when your grandchildren look back on your discriminatory attitudes that will shake their heads and wonder how someone could be so wrong.
Enjoy being on the wrong side of morality, this country’s founding values and history.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:47 pm
mel, I’m sure you got one. Its right there in leviticus. Start reading sir.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
2:48 pm
My prediciton:
Depending on the outcome of the next election, there may be just one last chance at a Constitutional Amendment defining “marriage” as between one man and one woman.
Winner take all.
Mel
June 27th, 2011
2:48 pm
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:45 pm
“Adam, Read your bible sir. I believe it says it at least once or twice in Leviticus and also it talks about sodom and gomorrah which was also a haven not just for homosexual sin. Do your own homework sir.”
So wait… Christians are now living by the Old Testament? Because it’s widely known in Christianity that you don’t. Are you picking and choosing what you want to believe?
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
2:48 pm
jewcowboy:
1 reason:
Because they can’t reproduce.
Adam
June 27th, 2011
2:49 pm
Leviticus is the worst book in the Bible. It should be ignored.
Aquagirl
June 27th, 2011
2:49 pm
There are bigger fish in my barrel to shoot and fry.
As long as they have scales and fins, Jesus approves.
Lobster, eel, and shrimp would of course condemn you to eternal hellfire.
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
2:49 pm
“there may be just one last chance at a Constitutional Amendment defining “marriage” as between one man and one woman. ”
Two words: pipe dream.
53% of the nation supports gay marriage today….you’ve lost…gay marriage is inevitable. Even the Focus on the Family CEO concedes that.
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
2:50 pm
Scout, jewcowboy was asking for LEGAL reasons.
Nice flub.
Peadawg
June 27th, 2011
2:51 pm
I love all the use of the word “bigoted” today. It’s as overused as the race card. I.E. it doesn’t mean sh*t anymore. Bigoted = you don’t agree with me.
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
2:51 pm
1811/1801 – 0311/0317,
“Because they can’t reproduce.”
So barren couple and couples over 50 shouldn’t allowed to be married? You’re past child producing years right…time end that marriage, b/c you aren’t reproducing anymore.
Sorry…that is not a legal reason.
Mel
June 27th, 2011
2:51 pm
Thulsa Doom –
Leviticus 19:19 reads, “You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.”
Oh boy. I guess the whole world is going to Hell now.
Granny Godzilla
June 27th, 2011
2:51 pm
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:46 pm
Pope granny godzilla- authority extraordinaire on the bible.
well at least I got it right…..oh and by the way that barrel you are wearing held up with suspenders makes you backside look huge!
not a good look for you….
and again Old Lev was telling his buds, boffing the help while the wife
is unavailable is cheating….
Aquagirl
June 27th, 2011
2:51 pm
Ah, screwed up my tag. That’s what I get for angering the HTML tag god. Must go prepare a sacrifice.
Kamchak
June 27th, 2011
2:51 pm
ATLANTA — A federal judge has granted a request to block parts of Georgia’s law cracking down on illegal immigration from taking effect until a legal challenge is resolved.
Judge Thomas Thrash on Monday blocked parts of the law that penalize people who transport or harbor illegal immigrants. He also blocked provisions that authorize officers to verify the immigration status of someone who can’t provide proper identification.
Thrash also dismissed parts of the lawsuit at the state’s request.
Most parts of the law were set to enter into effect July 1. Civil liberties groups had filed a lawsuit asking the judge to declare the law unconstitutional and to block it from being enforced.
I sense a new topic….
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:52 pm
53% of the nation supports gay marriage today….you’ve lost…gay marriage is inevitable.- jewcowboy
And yet it was still voted down in a liberal state like CA. That one was easy.
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
2:52 pm
By the way, I mock God all the time.
But then, I mock virtually everyone at one time or another.
Personally, I think that God can take a good joke.
Bookman’s blog is proof positive of that.
DebbieDoRight
June 27th, 2011
2:53 pm
Doomed Janus: Debbie and Adam- 2 minnows swimming round in my barrel. There are bigger fish in my barrel to shoot and fry.
Grandpa, what big……ummmm………….opinions of yourself you have…..
PS: Big opinions, small mind, even smaller brain cells. Just saying….
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
2:54 pm
Peadawg,
“Bigoted = you don’t agree with me.”
Um actually no. To be bigoted means one regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance.
Mel
June 27th, 2011
2:54 pm
Thulsa Doom, do your research. Prop 8 was so poorly worded that it confused most of the voting public. I predict it won’t be long before California turns around.
But you haven’t addressed any of my questions, dear expert on Leviticus…
MrLiberty
June 27th, 2011
2:55 pm
Government should have NO role in marriage whatsoever. They MUST uphold contracts between whomever and should restore the sacrament of marriage to its rightful place – the chuch. When the religions allowed the government to STEAL marriage from them, they opened up this can of worms. It is their own damn fault that this is what has become of marriage. Government must have ALL power taken from it before all of our freedoms and liberties are gone.
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
2:55 pm
Looks like I became unqualified to remain married right after the birth of my second child.
At least, according to Scout.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:56 pm
well at least I got it right…..oh and by the way that barrel you are wearing held up with suspenders makes you backside look huge!- granny
Good one granny. I got a chuckle out of it.
mel,
Isn’t the 10 commandments in the first book? So if it no longer applies to gentiles or Christians are we now ok to murder, commit adultury, etc. The penalty of the law no longer applies to us because we are now saved by grace. But we are still expected to obey very basic things like the 10 commandments and when God speaks in very strong language such as on homosexuality.
DebbieDoRight
June 27th, 2011
2:56 pm
Doomed Janus: And yet it was still voted down in a liberal state like CA. That one was easy.
So California, by itself, makes up 53% of the US? Who knew?
@@
June 27th, 2011
2:57 pm
The care and raising of children is certainly “A” purpose of marriage, and is in fact one reason that gay couples seek that right.
As far as I know there’s nothing stopping single gays or gay couples from raising children.
Sperm banks? Women willing to serve as surrogates?
Business arrangements in which the government can’t engage.
I still believe that a child should be old enough to have some say in the decision.
Peadawg
June 27th, 2011
2:58 pm
“Prop 8 was so poorly worded that it confused most of the voting public.”
What’s confusing about the title, “Eliminates Rights of Same-Sex Couples to Marry.”
Kamchak
June 27th, 2011
2:58 pm
…you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed…
Oh, dear.
I’ve got beans, peas, corn and ‘maters growing in my field.
Guess I’m fscr*wed!
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:58 pm
Mel
June 27th, 2011
2:54 pm
Thulsa Doom, do your research. Prop 8 was so poorly worded that it confused most of the voting public. I predict it won’t be long before California turns around.
Aaaaaah. I see. So now its a wording issue in your distinguished opinion. BTW I’ll do a little research for you- Leviticus 20:13 Leviticus 20:13: If a man lies with mankind, as he is supposed to lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination (this is one of the strongest words) and God says they are to be put to death. That, of course, was under a theocracy when the Lord led, and when they broke the religious laws under a religious government, they were to be killed.
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
2:59 pm
“But we are still expected to obey very basic things like the 10 commandments and when God speaks in very strong language such as on homosexuality.”
No, you’re expected to obey the Constitutional laws of your nation that might be based on any of the 10 commandments.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
2:59 pm
jewcowboy:
O.K.
I’ll modify my response then:
Because gays in a physical sexual relationship and lesbians in a physical sexual relationship could not and “reproduce” of their own accord without genetic assistance from additional human beings.
DebbieDoRight
June 27th, 2011
3:00 pm
Mr. Liberty: Government should have NO role in marriage whatsoever. They MUST uphold contracts between whomever and should restore the sacrament of marriage to its rightful place – the chuch
Your two sentences contradict each other. If government MUST uphold contracts, then they MUST have a role in marriage. Marriage in itself is a CONTRACT. Don’t believe me? Try to get out of one without paying some money — try going up to your husband/wife and say ” I divorce you — and I get to keep all of the money out the bank.”
getalife
June 27th, 2011
3:00 pm
My prediction:
Four more years.
Deal with it cons.
Mel
June 27th, 2011
3:01 pm
Thulsa Doom, so you *are* picking and choosing what you believe, then.
MrLiberty – government didn’t screw up marriage. Straight people did. Here are just a few: Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jonathan Edwards, Charlie Sheen, Tiger Woods, Mark Sanford, Newt Gingrich… shall I go on?
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
3:01 pm
Debbie,
CA is one of the most liberal states in the U.S. If it was soundly defeated in one of the most liberal states that what the hell makes you think its actually supported nationwide by a majority? Come on Debbie. Use what limited powers of reason that avail themselves to you and figure this one out. One poll that jewcowboy mentions? I’ll take actual results in an actual election ma’am.
Adam
June 27th, 2011
3:01 pm
I covet my neighbor’s ox.
Am I going to hell?
Oh btw, that was a lie. No one cares about lies, because as Dr. House says “Everybody lies.”
So why should I bother with the ten commandments when only a couple of them make rational sense?
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
3:01 pm
Thulsa Doom,
“And yet it was still voted down in a liberal state like CA. That one was easy.”
There were many reason it did not pass. Of course, what you fail to point out the CA legislature DID pass gay marriage in 2007, that one Republican decided to veto.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
3:02 pm
Mel, Your last post is irrelevant, inane, and inconsequential. Please delete and try again.
Peadawg
June 27th, 2011
3:02 pm
“Looks like I became unqualified to remain married right after the birth of my second child.” – Seeing as you were able to produce 2 children…I don’t think Scout was talking about you.
But Scout WAS talking about a woman, who is medically unable to reproduce for whatever reason. Right Scout? She shouldn’t be allowed to marry?
Mel
June 27th, 2011
3:02 pm
Thulsa Doom, Leviticus 19:27 reads “You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard.” Should I smite my neighbor if he has done this?
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
3:02 pm
“If a man lies with mankind, as he is supposed to lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination”
“Mankind” could be interpreted to mean more than one person. Or multiple men.
And you have yet to apply this to Constitutional law, rather than on religious grounds.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
3:03 pm
Did the minnow say something?
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
June 27th, 2011
3:03 pm
Mel, Romans 1: 26-27 in the New Testament
Kamchak
June 27th, 2011
3:03 pm
CA is one of the most liberal states in the U.S. If it was soundly defeated in one of the most liberal states that what the hell makes you think its actually supported nationwide by a majority?
Because once it’s defeated,
it
can
never
come
up
again!
Mel
June 27th, 2011
3:03 pm
Thulsa Doom, Leviticus 11:8 says “You shall not eat of their flesh nor touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you.”
Uh oh. I ate some sausage this morning and then tossed around a football. I’m definitely going to Hell.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2011
3:04 pm
“there may be just one last chance at a Constitutional Amendment defining “marriage” as between one man and one woman. ”
Two words: pipe dream.
And how. I doubt they’d get any takers selling that crap for a penny a share at Intrade.
getalife
June 27th, 2011
3:04 pm
There is no God.
There is a belief there is a God.
Religion was invented to get people to stop killing, stealing and raping each other in the dark ages.
It worked.
Now people are using it in politics.
That does not work.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2011
3:04 pm
They get bitter, and they cling to guns, and religion, and past marriage inequality referendum victories.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
3:04 pm
Man are guys riled up or what? I didn’t think it would so easy to yank yo chains today.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
3:04 pm
“Government should have NO role in marriage whatsoever. They MUST uphold contracts between whomever”
Nope. It is religion that should have NO role in marriage. Marriage is a LEGAL CONTRACT, and as you, yourself, stated it is the govenment’s job to uphold contracts.
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
3:05 pm
“Because gays in a physical sexual relationship and lesbians in a physical sexual relationship could not and “reproduce” of their own accord without genetic assistance from additional human beings.”
And how does that differ from barren straight couples or elderly couples that are in a physical sexual relationship can not “reproduce” of their own accord without genetic assistance from additional human beings?”
You’re not making a LEGAL point here…just a discriminatory point. Child bearing is not a LEGAL requirement for marriage, so until it is…you’re point is not LEGAL, and thus invalid.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2011
3:05 pm
I ate some sausage this morning and then tossed around a football.
is that what the kids are calling it these days?
DebbieDoRight
June 27th, 2011
3:05 pm
@@: I still believe that a child should be old enough to have some say in the decision.
Must would choose to have someone to love them, (parents) over anything else. This same type of discussion was going on when whites were starting to adopt black children. A lot of BIGOTED blacks were going around saying “It’s WRONG they shouldn’t adopt out children!!” Yet, these same blacks weren’t trying to adopt “their” children, either.
In the end, when asked, the kids in question just wanted a home, parents, and someone to love them.
Adam
June 27th, 2011
3:05 pm
getalife: That does not work.
Have to disagree there. It propels people like Bachmann into office thinking they are on a holy mission from God to legislate morality.
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
3:06 pm
No, Peadawg, as I can no longer “reproduce without the genetic assistance of others” as Scout maintains, I am no longer qualified to be married.
And we’re still waiting for a LEGAL reason, Scout.
Peadawg
June 27th, 2011
3:06 pm
“There is no God.
That’s your opinion, getalife. Unless you have proof. Link please?
Adam
June 27th, 2011
3:07 pm
dB @ 3:05
Joe Mama
June 27th, 2011
3:07 pm
Mel — “Thulsa Doom, do your research. Prop 8 was so poorly worded that it confused most of the voting public.”
Actual wording of Prop 8 — “San Dimas High School Football GO!”
Mel
June 27th, 2011
3:08 pm
Thulsa Doom, don’t flatter yourself. I would hardly call my mood “riled up”. I just want you to admit you Christians pick and choose which parts of the Bible you belief in order to suit the situation at hand.
And I would venture to say you’re the one who is riled up about gay marriage. Thus, why you are posting your disgust.
Your religion is your thing. Don’t force it on anyone else and nobody will force you to marry a gay person.
Aquagirl
June 27th, 2011
3:09 pm
Adopting children is not “normal” either, what if everyone adopted? There would be no children!
You anti-gay folk need to go harass these freaks who adopt. They’re a danger to our continued existence as a species.
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
3:09 pm
I gotta go eat a sausage and toss around a football.
Later, dudes and dudettes!
getalife
June 27th, 2011
3:09 pm
“It propels people like Bachmann into office thinking they are on a holy mission from God to legislate morality”
She is a “flake” Adam.
People that say they speak to God are insane.
Joe Mama
June 27th, 2011
3:10 pm
Octodawg — “That’s your opinion, getalife. Unless you have proof. Link please?”
Perhaps you’d like to just preempt the argument altogether and simply produce *evidence* of your deity?
No? Didn’t think so.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
3:10 pm
Romans 1: 26-27 in the New Testament
Mel,
As recon pointed out in the NEW testament it is made clear yet again where the good Lord stands on homosexuality. It cannot be anymore clear to anyone. Ya’ll keep coming up with nonsense about shaving beards, linen, dietary laws that all applied in the old testament under a theocracy and back when the Jews were under the penalty of the law. We are no longer under the penalty of the law but are saved by grace. The dietary laws, festival laws, etc applied to the Jews at that time. But once again as Recon points out God’s stand against homosexuality is reaffirmed again in the NEW testament. It is what it is.
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
3:10 pm
Peadawg,
“But Scout WAS talking about a woman, who is medically unable to reproduce for whatever reason. Right Scout? She shouldn’t be allowed to marry?”
Or a man shooting blanks or who needs the help of a little blue pill.
DebbieDoRight
June 27th, 2011
3:11 pm
Doomed Janus: Debbie, CA is one of the most liberal states in the U.S.
And?
If it was soundly defeated in one of the most liberal states that what the hell makes you think its actually supported nationwide by a majority?
Because FIVETY-THREE PERCENT, (that 53%) IS a MAJORITY. Duh!
Come on Debbie. Use what limited powers of reason that avail themselves to you and figure this one out.
When you can’t beat ‘em with logic, rail against them with sarcasm and stupefying wit!! AND if all else fails, pretend you dont’ comprehend simple mathematics.
Maybe in your case you’re not pretending……….
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
3:12 pm
Still waiting on a LEGAL reason…why can no one ever give me a LEGAL reason why gay people can not marry?
Joe Mama
June 27th, 2011
3:13 pm
This is too good to not post here:
“Rep. Michele Bachmann kicked off her presidential campaign on Monday in Waterloo, Iowa, and in one interview surrounding the official event she promised to mimic the spirit of Waterloo’s own John Wayne.”
“The only problem, as one eagle-eyed reader notes: Waterloo’s John Wayne was not the beloved movie star, but rather John Wayne Gacy, the serial killer.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2011/jun/27/the-wrong-john-wayne/
Our conservatroid posters will be real interested in the crime that led to Gacy’s first conviction, which apparently took place in Waterloo.
DebbieDoRight
June 27th, 2011
3:13 pm
Please excuse all typos………….no Starbucks today, so I’m not hyped up on caffeine. Sorry.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
3:14 pm
mel,
Actually I’m not even riled up about gay marriage- I really just enjoy firing you guys up a bit.
Your religion is your thing. Don’t force it on anyone else and nobody will force you to marry a gay person.- Mel,
Yes. Of course. And while we’re at it don’t try forcing gay acceptance on those of us who don’t believe in it or on our kids via the school system.
DebbieDoRight
June 27th, 2011
3:15 pm
Joe Mama @ 3:13 – Well Michelle B (the “B” doesn’t stand for brains); rode the short yellow bus to school with her helmet on and her bib to keep her from drooling. She was in the 12th grade at the time.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 27th, 2011
3:16 pm
Doom, you have read the bible in the original language to know this of course? I mean it would not be possible that there is any dispute about how the language was translated. Now if there is a dispute in the translation of the new testament, after you prove that it was the actual words of a god, you must prove the accuracy of the translation and its appropriate application.
Or did God speak english directly to you?
Mel
June 27th, 2011
3:16 pm
Thulsa Doom, if you’re that disgusted with homosexuality and your God tells you not to have it, then I would advise you not to do it. I would also advise you not to push your religion on anyone else.
Marriage is a legal issue. Not a religious one.
getalife
June 27th, 2011
3:16 pm
You could argue that religion was the first attempt to govern the people.
The 10 commandments was HR 1.
A mandate if you will and it worked.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
3:16 pm
Debbiedoright,
It was voted on in a very liberal state. And you LOST. Get over it.
monty
June 27th, 2011
3:16 pm
Jewcowboy-”Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”
How about the most reliable accurate ancient document of all time? The Bible – 1 Corinthians 15:3 On the reliability of the fact of the ressurection of Jesus. The Apostle Paul wrote: For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the scriptures, and that he appeared to Peter and then to the twelve. After that, he appeared to more than 500 of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep(died).
Granny Godzilla
June 27th, 2011
3:18 pm
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
3:04 pm
Man are guys riled up or what? I didn’t think it would so easy to yank yo chains today.
that coming from a guy who appears near crying over that which he can’t control – is priceless
can I get you a hankie?
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
3:18 pm
Thulsa Doomm
“Of course. And while we’re at it don’t try forcing gay acceptance on those of us who don’t believe in it or on our kids via the school system.”
Don’t worry…society has already taken care of that and the great majority of those under 30 already accept gay people and don’t see what the issue it. It old bigots that are the problem.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
3:18 pm
mel,
And just where does our Judeo- Christian laws have their basis and foundation in?
Kamchak
June 27th, 2011
3:18 pm
I really just enjoy firing you guys up a bit.
You couldn’t get anyone “fired up” even if you had a book of matches and a bottle of mapp gas.
Just sayin’.
TnGelding
June 27th, 2011
3:18 pm
It’s absurd!
Peadawg
June 27th, 2011
3:19 pm
I know Joe Mama @ 3:13!!! Bachman needs to to do some more research on those 57 states Obama spoke of. Or that quote from Texas about shame that Bush talked about!
Joe Mama
June 27th, 2011
3:19 pm
Doom 2011 — “Yes. Of course. And while we’re at it don’t try forcing gay acceptance on those of us who don’t believe in it or on our kids via the school system.”
Doom 1961 — ‘Yes. Of course. And while we’re at it don’t try forcing racial acceptance on those of us who don’t believe in it or on our kids via the school system.’
What does a conservative frog say?
Biggit, biggit.
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
3:19 pm
monty,
“How about the most reliable accurate ancient document of all time?”
Um..prove the original providence of the that book…in its original language, in its original text.
Aquagirl
June 27th, 2011
3:20 pm
as Recon points out God’s stand against homosexuality is reaffirmed again in the NEW testament.
Yeah, like Jesus’ prohibition against divorce, straight out of his mouth. And everyone knows that’s illegal. Oh, wait…..
(Reply of “I’m against divorce too, but unable to explain why I can’t be arsed to do anything about it” in 3…2…1…)
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
3:20 pm
It old bigots that are the problem.- jewcowboy
The ole bigotry card. So if someone disagrees with you then they are a bigot. I reckons 2 can play that game. I’ll just call you a religious bigot- especially given your speire faerie comments. There ya have it! You are definitely a bigot. Just a different kinda bigot is all. But a bigot nonetheless.
Joe Mama
June 27th, 2011
3:20 pm
Doom — “And just where does our Judeo- Christian laws have their basis and foundation in?”
Actually, our legal system and laws are based on the common law of England. We don’t have “Judeo-Christian” laws.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
3:21 pm
jewcowboy:
O.K.
Because the majority of the people in a state “say” so.
As in Georgia.
Now, give me a legal reason to prohibit polygamy ………. remember LEGAL !
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
3:22 pm
Still waiting on that 1 LEGAL reason why gay marriage shouldn’t be legal…I have a feeling I’ll be waiting for a while…
Mel
June 27th, 2011
3:22 pm
Excellent point, Granny Godzilla. : )
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
3:22 pm
Joe Mama,
“What does a conservative frog say?
Biggit, biggit.”
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
3:22 pm
jewcowboy,
Prove that Alexander the Great did all the things he is said to have done and conquered all if not most of the known world. Many of his exploits are confirmed and written about by one man- Heroditus.
Mel
June 27th, 2011
3:23 pm
jewcowboy, don’t hold your breath. Not gonna happen. : )
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
3:23 pm
Thulsa Doom,
“Prove that Alexander the Great did all the things he is said to have done and conquered all if not most of the known world.”
Why…I’m not making any claims about Alexander the Great.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
3:24 pm
Joe Mama,
Yes. And there was never any religious influence ever in the writing of old English common law.
DebbieDoRight
June 27th, 2011
3:24 pm
It was voted on in a very liberal state. And you LOST. Get over it.
I’m not from California. And what part of 53% NATIONALLY don’t you understand?
O.K. maybe I can explain it like this: If Johnny has 6 apples and Jane has 2 apples who has the most apples Johnny or Jane? HINT: Six is BIGGER than two.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
3:25 pm
Joe Mama:
May I suggest: “The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States” by Benjamin F. Morris.
http://www.amazon.com/Christian-Character-Institutions-United-States/dp/0915815702
Joe Mama
June 27th, 2011
3:25 pm
Doom — ” I’ll just call you a religious bigot- especially given your speire faerie comments. There ya have it! You are definitely a bigot. Just a different kinda bigot is all. But a bigot nonetheless.”
Nope. Another “Tu Quoque” logical fallacy from your side.
Nobody here is trying to restrain *your* freedom or enjoin your civil rights, Doom. *You* are the one advocating the restraint of others’ freedom and constraints on their civil rights, written into law. That’s bigotry.
There’s no difference between the kind of separate-but-equal crap you’re preaching today and the kind of separate-but-equal Jim Crow crap that some people were spewing 50 years ago. The difference is that one’s been largely overcome, while the other’s still being brought down.