Institution of marriage gathers strength in NY
With Friday night’s vote in the New York Senate, the Empire State is set to become the sixth state, in addition to the District of Columbia, in which gay marriage is legal. And because New York will be by far the largest state to take that step, the number of Americans able to marry others of the same gender will effectively double.
This is, of course, the end of Western civilization and of the foundation on which it is built, which is the institution of marriage. Or not.
Kathryn Jean Lopez, writing at the National Review’s “The Corner,” has likened the vote by elected representatives in New York to the brutal repression exercised in North Korea, bizarrely claiming that we Americans are “witnessing tyranny today that is fostered by a false sense of freedom, a tyranny that faux tolerance ferments.”
John Guardiano, writing in the American Spectator, also laments the decline of marriage:
“…. the institution of marriage is [under threat] — so much so that marriage rates in America have plummeted and out-of-wedlock births have skyrocketed.
National Review’s Rich Lowry notes, for instance, that the number of Americans in intact first marriages has dropped from 73 percent in the 1970s to as little as 39 percent today, depending on socioeconomic status. And the poorer and less educated you are, the more likely you are to suffer from the political and cultural degradation of marriage.
Just 45 percent of moderately educated, middle-income Americans are in intact first marriages. For the poorest and least-educated Americans, the corresponding figure is 39 percent.”
Personally, I’m a strong believer in marriage, both as a living arrangement for adults and as the best possible setting in which to raise children. (”Best possible,” however, should not be confused with “only;” the unpredictability of human beings and the realities of life do not allow such blanket statements.)
However, I’ve never seen even a vaguely convincing argument that gay marriage has any affect whatsoever on the status of marriage among heterosexual couples.
Guardiano, for example, tries to suggest that gay marriage has “everything” to do with some ill-defined campaign by ill-defined forces to undercut marriage and bring the country down around our ears.
“Sure, this breakdown in the family has occurred independent of the push for ‘marriage equality’,” he writes. “But it is still part and parcel of an overarching effort to undermine and deprecate traditional marriage and the traditional family. It is still part of a broader political and cultural movement to decouple marriage from its principal purpose, which is the care and raising of children.”
What nonsense.
The care and raising of children is certainly “A” purpose of marriage, and is in fact one reason that gay couples seek that right. However, it is not THE purpose of marriage.
The existence of millions of loving couples who are childless either by choice or by nature refute that claim. Marriages of older couples beyond their child-bearing years refute that claim. Guardiano and others who make such an argument actually belittle marriage by stripping it down to a crude, single-purpose functionality — the raising of children — that seeks to deny its deep emotional rewards and challenges.
The suggestion that gay marriage is part of a guerrilla effort to undercut marriage itself is further undercut by hard data. In general, gay marriage has gained a foothold in those states in which marriage is already strongest, and it is rejected in states where marriage is more threatened.
Massachusetts, the first state to make gay marriage legal, has by far the lowest annual divorce rate in the country, at a mere 1.8 percent. New York has an annual divorce rate of 2.5 percent.
Georgia, in contrast, has an annual divorce rate of 3.2 percent.
In fact, the seven jurisdictions in which gay marriage is now legal, including the District of Columbia, have an average annual divorce rate of 2.7 percent. The average annual divorce rate in the 28 states in which recognition of gay marriage is explicitly banned, including Georgia, is 3.9 percent.
For the record, the New York bill contains explicit protections to ensure that religious organizations cannot be forced to recognize gay marriage or be forced to host marriages, receptions or similar ceremonies. While such protections are probably unnecessary, I think they’re also entirely appropriate. The histrionics of Lopez and others about tyranny aside, this is not an attempt to use government to impose something; it is an attempt to convince government to allow all of its citizens, not just some, to share in the benefits, rights and obligations of a critically important human institution.
– Jay Bookman
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Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
1:59 pm
“It seems odd to me that we would conform our laws to represent such a small group”
Or, conversely, it’s odd that we would conform our laws to discriminate against such a small group
SwedeAtlanta
June 27th, 2011
2:00 pm
Suwaneedog @ 1:55 p.m.
What is the basis of your claim that most people are repulsed by homosexual behavior? Is it the fact that it is two individuals of the same gender or is it the actual act? Heterosexuals engage in non-procreative acts often as a means to avoid pregnancy.
This isn’t about conforming laws to represent a small group. This is about the the idea that all men (and women) are entitled to equal protection under the laws of this country. If you want to amend the Constitution and say that only some men and women (i.e. heterosexuals) are entitled to that protection I wish you luck with that.
TGT
June 27th, 2011
2:00 pm
Legalizing gay marriage does much more than that Dave R. See my 1:34.
The gay marriage fantasy.
Left wing management
June 27th, 2011
2:02 pm
Recon: “It ceases to be a private matter when activists provide young children with information advocating homosexuality or radical homosexuals parade around in public celebrating their lifestyle.”
That’s right and that’s why the private/public distinction is of no use in the discussion. Not only to ‘radical homosexuals’ have every right to engage in their private behavior, they also have the public right to ‘parade around’ and ‘celebrate’ their lifestyle. And needless to say, gay marriage should be fully legalized.
TGT
June 27th, 2011
2:06 pm
The gay deathstyle:
-A twenty-five to thirty-year decrease in life expectancy.
-Chronic, potentially fatal, liver disease—infectious hepatitis, which increases the risk of liver cancer.
-Inevitably fatal immune disease including associated cancers.
-Frequently fatal rectal cancer.
-Multiple bowel and other infectious diseases.
-A much higher than usual incidence of suicide.
According to the CDC, gay and bisexual men account for more than 60 percent of all syphilis cases, and more than 82 percent of all known sexually-transmitted AIDS cases in 2006 were the result of male-to-male sexual contact. During its 2010 National STD Prevention Conference, the CDC revealed that the rate of new HIV diagnoses among men who have sex with men (MSM) is more than 44 times that of other men and more than 40 times that of women. Also, the rate of primary and secondary syphilis among MSM is more than 46 times that of other men and more than 71 times that of women.
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
2:06 pm
TGT, I don’t now about you, but I just read another article by an anti-gay bigot. But thanks for the link anyway.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
June 27th, 2011
2:06 pm
Dave R.
I’m beginning to think that you may be a closet homosexual. I post my views as others do on this blog and you attack me personally with kind of a strange fury talking about satin sheets and Marines. Me thinks you protest too much.
Aquagirl
June 27th, 2011
2:07 pm
Ignoring the fact that there is no productive purpose of homosexual behavior (reproduction), the majority of the population is repulsed by homosexual behavior;
Another guy with an extremely bored wife. Look, only kids think their parents “did it” as many times as they reproduced. Sex obviously serves more than one function among humans, otherwise we’d have limited breeding seasons and no urges outside of that.
t
June 27th, 2011
2:07 pm
Dave R.
“Destoyed Sodom and Gommarah.”
Why have we been spared so long if he took out Sodom and Gommorah? I think we exceeded His threshold long ago, don’t you?
Wrong. God is longsuffering,God’s time is not our time.
It took Noah hundred twenty years to build an ark.
But the rain did come,with judgment.Judgment is coming to America too.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 27th, 2011
2:07 pm
Well Recon does have a point. It’s all the Navy’s fault. I mean when Germany surrendered in WWII it was that Navy guy kissing a girl and flaunting his sexual preference. Imagine the world had it been a Marine kissing another Marine for Life magazine.
josef
June 27th, 2011
2:08 pm
Well, gotta go do dull boring errands. I’ll leave it to y’all straight people to sort it out. So far y’all are doing a pretty good job of it…keep up the good work, and from the bottom of my cold, cold, heart, thank you for all you’ve done now that you’ve found your voices…much appreciated. Coming out of that hayloft lo these many years gone by, I might have been satisfied with myself and where I was going, but I would never have thought I’d live to see this day either…kinda nice…and y’all deserve to pat yourselves on the back…
Jezz A. Bell - The Phoenician SinSation
June 27th, 2011
2:08 pm
S&G: I’ll go with what God says on this one. Its an abomination. And it says it more than once. Nuff said.
He also says to “Love thy neighbor”, “Judge ye not”; “Honor the Sabbath” and my favorite of all, “Do not bear false witness against thy neighbor”.
How are you doing with any of those? Do you love one, (or two), and hate the other?
BADA BING
June 27th, 2011
2:09 pm
DAVE R ….nobody needs BADA BING….BADA BING occurs naturally. By the way, why don’t we legalize gay marriage ITP, but not OTP?
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
2:09 pm
TGT re: your 2:06.
Isn’t that a GOOD thing for all you anti-gay bigots? A shorter life and painful diseases?
Doesn’t this get you to your gay ethnic-cleansing result that much faster?
monty
June 27th, 2011
2:09 pm
Bocephus-”Who even gets to determine what IS “normal”?”
I believe that would be whoever created us. Of course if you believe that we all evolved from “pond scum” then does anything really matter? Men and women with animals? Older men with young boys, it was all the rage with the Socrates crowd. The so called intellectuals, the deep thinkers.
Granny Godzilla
June 27th, 2011
2:09 pm
TGT
Homosexuals are amongst some of God’s finest creations….
He’s gonna be real mad at you!
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:11 pm
This again? One thing I’ve noticed is that with every bit of bad economic news lately that Jay switches gear to side issues like gay marriage. Doesn’t want to talk about Obama or the constantly unfolding bad economic news. Can’t say that I blame him.
TGT,
Those are some interesting points and I think anyone with common sense could see a lot of those things happening. Once we legalize gay marriage its then going to become a cultural war with lots of litigation where gays are going to use the court system to try to force mainstream acceptance of homosexuality by imposing their views in schools, on small businesses, even in churches, etc. The Catholic adoption agency closing is one such example.
Kamchak
June 27th, 2011
2:11 pm
Men and women with animals? Older men with young boys…
Teh stoopid ………………………………. it burns!
Oi!
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
2:13 pm
Sorry, Recon, but I’m as straight as the day is long (as long as we’re in late June, that is).
I just don’t care what anyone does as long as it doesn’t affect my life (note: whether I continue breathing, not lifestyle), liberty or property.
What’s YOU’RE excuse?
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:13 pm
Say it loud and say it proud,
We’re here, we’re queer,
And soon we’ll have gay men wearing only tight leather shorts parading through a neighborhood near you. I’m sure everybody is excited about having their kids exposed that kind of filth.
Granny Godzilla
June 27th, 2011
2:13 pm
Why do the anti gay folks spend so much time fantasizing about
hot sex with animals?
EEEK!
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
2:13 pm
What TGT doesn’t seem to comprehend is that those stats are a result of marginalizing gay people and keeping them single by denying them marriage rights…
Anti marriage equality advocates condemn gay people for not being monogamous, yet at the same time deny them rewards of being monogamous. Convenient, huh?
Left wing management
June 27th, 2011
2:13 pm
“Ignoring the fact that there is no productive purpose of homosexual behavior (reproduction)”
No, actually, let’s NOT ignore it. So you’re admitting it! You’re admitting that the essential function of sexuality is its “productive” value or functional value? Wow. And there you have it, folks.
So, tell me, in your ideal world when people decide they’re ready to engage in the ‘functional’ act of reproducing the species, should they fill out a job spec sheet?
“the majority of the population is repulsed by homosexual behavior”
To which I’d reply: uh, better find another reason to oppose it then, the ground is literally eroding under your feet as we speak.
American Pie
June 27th, 2011
2:14 pm
Is it legal to procreate with pies?
Aquagirl
June 27th, 2011
2:14 pm
Personally I’m repulsed and disgusted by the idea of Newt Gingrich beaching his blubber atop the trophy wife. Can we outlaw Newt? Or at least marriage for Newt, he’s certainly doing his part to make a laughingstock of the sacred institution.
DebbieDoRight
June 27th, 2011
2:14 pm
recon: Dave R.
I’m beginning to think that you may be a closet homosexual. I post my views as others do on this blog and you attack me personally with kind of a strange fury talking about satin sheets and Marines. Me thinks you protest too much.
Back off of DaveR recon. Just because he doesn’t choose to close his mind to different things does not make him a closet anything. And, for you to make such a generalization without substantive facts, is (and here’s a generalization from me), crazy.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
June 27th, 2011
2:14 pm
You lefties really get upset when people on the blog disagree with you and express different views on thread topics. If I Pi$$ anyone off based on posting my opinions you’ll just have to get over it. I’m not going to change and I don’t care to change you.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:15 pm
Granny Godzilla,
Is that the same God who the bible says about 2-3 times detests homosexuality and calls it an abomination? Is that the God you’re talking about?
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
2:15 pm
“Of course if you believe that we all evolved from “pond scum” then does anything really matter?”
I believe that we are, monty.
I also believe that there are quite a few that haven’t evolved as far as others.
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
2:15 pm
Thulsa Doom,
“mainstream acceptance of homosexuality”
Too late…gay acceptance is already mainstream…it’s the anti-gay bigots that are lagging the rest of society.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:15 pm
Recon, Amen brother.
Soothsayer
June 27th, 2011
2:16 pm
Somehow, I just don’t think you can say it any better than this!
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
2:16 pm
“And soon we’ll have gay men wearing only tight leather shorts parading through a neighborhood near you”
And this is different from my neighbor who parades around in tight nylong shorts…how?
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:17 pm
jewcowboy,
If its so mainstream than why did a liberal state like CA. vote against gay marriage?
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
2:17 pm
Aquagirl at 2:14. I’m calling a FOUL on THAT mental picture!
Now I gotta go get some bleach for my brain . . .
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 27th, 2011
2:18 pm
And soon we’ll have gay men wearing only tight leather shorts parading through a neighborhood near you. I’m sure everybody is excited about having their kids exposed that kind of filth.
You keep those Republicans out of my backyard! My family is going to Hooters and then the strip club (if the RNC is not there). Then to Vegas.
Is Scotland the only manly place left in the world? Why I was asking my kilted friends that just the other day in the Tilted Kilt breastauteria.
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
2:18 pm
Thulsa Doom,
“And soon we’ll have gay men wearing only tight leather shorts parading through a neighborhood near you.”
I can assure you I have never worn a pair of leather shorts…but how about orange satin ones in a parade near you?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3172/2826371989_ca82665bd0.jpg
Or is your poutrage selective?
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:18 pm
Doggone/GA,
Your neighbor does this as part of an organized parade? Who knew?
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
2:19 pm
“Your neighbor does this as part of an organized parade? Who knew?”
Me, for one
DebbieDoRight
June 27th, 2011
2:19 pm
Doomed Janus: Once we legalize gay marriage its then going to become a cultural war with lots of litigation where gays are going to use the court system to try to force mainstream acceptance of homosexuality by imposing their views in schools
My oh my……..you seem to bring up the EXACT same argument that was used when Blacks, (and women), were given the right to vote!! Very archaic of you!
Mel
June 27th, 2011
2:19 pm
Dear ajc.com: I would like the ability to “like” all of Doggone/GA’s comments. Please get on it. : )
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:20 pm
jewcowboy,
Thank you. You just made my day.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
2:20 pm
“Your neighbor does this as part of an organized parade? Who knew?”
Oh, and BTW…if your despised gay men in tight leather shorts are built like Greg Louganis – let ‘em parade! I’ll be there to watch.
Uncle Jed
June 27th, 2011
2:20 pm
BB called and asked me to post a few before heading back out…
Did you hear about the two gay Irishmen? Gerald Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzgerald.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
A girl goes into the doctor’s office for a checkup. As she takes off her blouse, the doctor notices a red ”H” on her chest. “How did you get that mark on your chest?” asks the doctor.
“Oh, my boyfriend went to Harvard and he’’s so proud of it he never takes off his Harvard sweatshirt, even when we make love,” she replies.
A couple of days later, another girl comes in for a checkup. As she takes off her blouse, he notices a blue ”Y” on her chest. “How did you get that mark on your chest?” asks the doctor. “Oh, my boyfriend went to Yale and he’’s so proud of it that he never takes off his Yale sweatshirt, even when we make love,” she replies.
A couple of days later, another girl comes in for a checkup. As she takes off her blouse, he notices a green ”M” on her chest. “Do you have a boyfriend at Michigan?” asks the doctor.
“No, but I have a girlfriend at Wisconsin, Why do you ask?”
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
A couple walked into a tourist shop in Jamaica. The Jamaican said to them, I have some special sandals I think you would be interested in. “Dey makes you wild at sex.”
Well, the wife was really interested in buying the sandals after what the man claimed, but her husband felt he really didn’t need them, being the sex God he was.
The husband asked the man, “How could sandals make you into a sex freak?” The Jamaican replied, “Just try dem on, Mon.” So, the husband, after some badgering from his wife, finally gave in, and tried them on. As soon as he slipped them onto his feet, he got this wild look in his eyes, something his wife hadn’t seen in many years! In the blink of an eye, the husband grabbed the Jamaican, bent him over a table, yanked down his pants, ripped down his own pants, and grabbed a firm hold of the Jamaican’s hips.
The Jamaican then began screaming, “You got dem on the de wrong feet man! You got dem on de wrong feet!”
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This straight guy walks into a bar. After he’s inside he realizes it’s a gay bar.. he thinks to himself “Oh…what the hell, I really want a drink”
He goes to the bar and the gay waiter comes to him and asks for the name of his penis?? The straight guy says “I’m not like that just give me a drink.” The gay homosexual waiter says “I’m sorry sir…I cannot give you a drink until you tell me the name of your penis”.
The straight guy says “Well…what is the name of yours???” The gay waiter says “Nike…you know…JUST DO IT!” … So the straight guy thinks for a moment. The waiter says “Well…” and the straight guy finally says “My penis is named ‘Secret’.”
The gay waiter says “Secret???” in a confused tone. The straight guy says “Yeah, it’s strong enough for a man…but made for a woman!”
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
<b?And one last one for the missing monkey crowd:
Two gay homosexuals are walking through a zoo. They come across some gorillas and after a while they notice that one of the male gorilla has a massive erection. The gay men are fascinated by this.
One of the men just can’t bear it any longer and he reaches into the cage to touch it. The gorilla grabs him, drags him into the cage and brutally rapes for six hours nonstop. When he’s done, the gorilla throws the man back out of the cage. An ambulance is called and the man is taken rushed to the hospital.
Next day his friend visits him in the hospital and asks, “Are you hurt?” “AM I HURT?”, he shouts, “Wouldn’t you be? He hasn’t called, he hasn’t written …”
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
And now, back to something important. It’s The Economy, Stupid!
Off to my 2:30…
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
2:20 pm
Aquagirl,
“Newt Gingrich beaching his blubber atop the trophy wife”
I really did not need that. But, now that you’ve brought it up, I think Newt might too lazy to be on top.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
2:21 pm
Thanks Mel!
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
2:21 pm
“And soon we’ll have gay men wearing only tight leather shorts parading through a neighborhood near you”
Would that cancel out the fat lady across the street who wears spandex?
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
June 27th, 2011
2:21 pm
Hi Debbie
Granny Godzilla
June 27th, 2011
2:21 pm
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:15 pm
Granny Godzilla,
Is that the same God who the bible says about 2-3 times detests homosexuality and calls it an abomination? Is that the God you’re talking about?
oh that’s an easy one, cause God doesn’t say anything about homosexuals anywhere in the bible
Leviticus does tell his buddies that while that are not supposed to be
playning slap and tickle with their wives on certain days in the Hebrew calender it’s still adulterty to do it with your aides or your goatherders….
Same holds true for you.
The days Mrs. Doom has a headache, if you do the horizontal bop with your mechanic you are cheating on the Mrs.
Course you might get you oil changed at a break…..just saying.
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
2:22 pm
Thulsa Doom,
“If its so mainstream than why did a liberal state like CA. vote against gay marriage?”
Various reasons…
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/03/18/134667794/poll-majority-of-americans-support-gay-marriage
DebbieDoRight
June 27th, 2011
2:22 pm
If its so mainstream than why did a liberal state like CA. vote against gay marriage?
Their loss. Literally.
Kamchak
June 27th, 2011
2:23 pm
And soon we’ll have gay men wearing only tight leather shorts…
Wearing lederhosen is an indication of being gay?
Does Helmut know?
Peadawg
June 27th, 2011
2:23 pm
“This straight guy walks into a bar. After he’s inside he realizes it’s a gay bar.. he thinks to himself “Oh…what the hell, I really want a drink”
He goes to the bar and the gay waiter comes to him and asks for the name of his penis?? The straight guy says “I’m not like that just give me a drink.” The gay homosexual waiter says “I’m sorry sir…I cannot give you a drink until you tell me the name of your penis”.
The straight guy says “Well…what is the name of yours???” The gay waiter says “Nike…you know…JUST DO IT!” … So the straight guy thinks for a moment. The waiter says “Well…” and the straight guy finally says “My penis is named ‘Secret’.”
The gay waiter says “Secret???” in a confused tone. The straight guy says “Yeah, it’s strong enough for a man…but made for a woman!””
HaHa nice!!!
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
2:23 pm
Thulsa Doom,
“Thank you. You just made my day.”
Ahh…so your poutrage is selective….
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:23 pm
DebbieDoRight,
Kinda funny coming from you. Did you know that in the CA vote that in exit interviews that the American American vote was what tipped the scales against gay marriage? I believe the white vote was either exactly split or a very small vote in favor of gay marriage, the Hispanic vote was definitely against gay marriage, and the black vote was far more overwhelmingly against gay marriage in exit polls. Go preach to that homophobic community before you preach to me ma’am.
Aquagirl
June 27th, 2011
2:23 pm
You can tell someone needs therapy when their mental image of a gay man is in tight leather shorts, or doing…well, you know. They never think of gay men attending a Broadway musical, arranging flowers, or any of those other stereotypical activities.
I wonder why?
Gwynn
June 27th, 2011
2:25 pm
“This is, of course, the end of Western civilization and of the foundation on which it is built, which is the institution of marriage.”
That of course presupposes that most people support the institution of marriage. I’m not sure that’s the case anymore. Men, especially, seem to slowly but surely be figuring out that marriage is for suckers. Love frequently doesn’t last, and if the marriage doesn’t either guys soon learn that in GA it’s not level playing field when you get to court.
Just shack up with your honey, and when he/she starts the “let’s get married” s**t tell em to take a hike.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:26 pm
Looks like I riled up the entire zombie community. Mission accomplished. Didn’t think it would be that easy.
Left wing management
June 27th, 2011
2:26 pm
suwanee dawg: ” It seems odd to me that we would conform our laws to represent such a small group”
Funny, I was thinking the same thing about how our laws are increasingly being bent to conform to the interests of an even smaller group than that: namely the hyper-wealthy, who are distorting and disfiguring our world in countless ways.
But that aside, why does opening up the option of marriage for gays amount to our laws “conforming” to their interests? If anyone’s conforming to other norms, it seems to me it’s the gays choosing to marry themselves since they’re adapting themselves to heterosexual norms and not the other way around.
gadem
June 27th, 2011
2:26 pm
where will the line be drawn? will parents give permission to their teenage son to marry his older man lover? Or their daughter to marry her older female lover? That is the next step…but I guess that is ok too? GTFOHWTS
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
2:26 pm
“Love frequently doesn’t last”
And far, far, FAR too many people never learn that if it doesn’t last it wasn’t LOVE to begin with. We don’t do a good job of teaching our children (teenages especially) the difference between love and lust.
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
2:27 pm
I think in honor of this vote in New York, Jay’s Friday Night Traveling Music should be show tunes.
Just sayin’!
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:27 pm
So sayeth aquagirl- resident psychologist and babbler of nonsensical rants.
Peadawg
June 27th, 2011
2:28 pm
“where will the line be drawn?”
Very good question.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
2:28 pm
“where will the line be drawn? will parents give permission to their teenage son to marry his older man lover? Or their daughter to marry her older female lover? That is the next step…but I guess that is ok too?”
If it’s Ok to give their son permission to marry his older female lover, or their daughter the OK to marry her older male lover…then yes, your scenario would be equally OK.
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
2:29 pm
gadem, what part of CONSENTING ADULTS do you NOT understand?
Siege
June 27th, 2011
2:29 pm
@Thulsa Doom
“Is that the same God who the bible says about 2-3 times detests homosexuality and calls it an abomination? Is that the God you’re talking about?”
It’s probably the same God that calls eating shellfish or pork an abomination, as well as divorce. And yet these things are constantly ignored by the same people who use the bible to denounce homosexuality as an abomination.
DebbieDoRight
June 27th, 2011
2:31 pm
Hi recon!
Uncle Jed at 2:20 pm. – You need HELP!!
Joe Mama
June 27th, 2011
2:31 pm
Recon — “I’m beginning to think that you may be a closet homosexual. I post my views as others do on this blog and you attack me personally with kind of a strange fury talking about satin sheets and Marines. Me thinks you protest too much.”
Funny, I was just thinking it was more of a lover’s quarrel thing between you and Dave.
Aquagirl
June 27th, 2011
2:31 pm
“But, now that you’ve brought it up, I think Newt might too lazy to be on top.”
Is this some sort of I-need-brain-bleach competition jewcowboy? You win.
Adam
June 27th, 2011
2:32 pm
Hate to tell you this, but it’s a tad difficult to blame an EXISTING problem on a FUTURE event.
You mean like Obama is at fault for the auto-bailout/economy?
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
June 27th, 2011
2:33 pm
Thulsa Doom @2:26, great job!
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:34 pm
Siege,
I’m not much of a bible historian but I believe those dietary laws applied to the Jews, the old law, and not necessarily apply to everyone else- Scout could probably explain it better. Pretty good guidelines though and I do not eat either shellfish- high cholesterol or pork- sulfates, nitrates, the trich worms, just plain nasty. And divorce- just cause heterosexual folks ignore the law don’t make homosexuality right.
Mel
June 27th, 2011
2:34 pm
Siege – you beat me to the punch with your point. : )
I find it awfully interesting that people quote the Bible about how homosexuality is an abomination and they’re quoting the Old Testament. Which as far as Christianity goes, is not used. Or is it? Are they saying they pick and choose which parts of the Bible they believe in order to suit the situation?
So to those who use this “argument”, Leviticus also says you can own slaves but to get them from neighboring nations. I just don’t recall seeing any Canadians for sale on Craigslist.
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
2:34 pm
Aquagirl,
“Is this some sort of I-need-brain-bleach competition jewcowboy? You win.”
Truce…it could get ugly…or should I say more ugly.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:35 pm
Recon,
I’m just taking a break and shooting some fish in a barrel. Always lots of fun. I got em all blowing steam out their ears this afternoon.
DebbieDoRight
June 27th, 2011
2:35 pm
Doomed Janus: Did you know that in the CA vote that in exit interviews that the American American vote was what tipped the scales against gay marriage?
And? What’s your point? If you’ve ever ventured your “elitist” self into almost any Black Church in the south, you’ll hear the honorable like likely reverend railing against homosexuals, in particular and the sin of premarital sex in general. Why some of them yell so loud, they wake up their male lovers’ from their noon naps. Ask Bishop Eddie Long…………
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
2:36 pm
Mel,
“I just don’t recall seeing any Canadians for sale on Craigslist.”
Maybe you aren’t looking in the right place…
Adam
June 27th, 2011
2:36 pm
TGT: Re: your ENTIRE 2:06…
Not Intended to be a Factual Statement.
Thulsa: Once we legalize gay marriage its then going to become a cultural war with lots of litigation where gays are going to use the court system to try to force mainstream acceptance of homosexuality by imposing their views in schools, on small businesses, even in churches, etc. The Catholic adoption agency closing is one such example.
Not Intended to be a Factual Statement.
RedEye
June 27th, 2011
2:36 pm
#1 issue facing the US right now…gay marriage – Jay Bookman
Granny Godzilla
June 27th, 2011
2:37 pm
Gay canadians on Craigs list eating seafood in leather shorts?
And they Canada is boring.
Adam
June 27th, 2011
2:37 pm
Recon: I’m not going to change and I don’t care to change you.
Well, you’re half right…
monty
June 27th, 2011
2:37 pm
“There is a way that seems right to a man but in the end it leads to death.”- Proverbs 14:12
For those of you who are contemplating the gay lifestyle or just recently gotten involved in it, I urge you to read the scriptures. There is still time to turn back before your conscience is seared as with a hot iron. God loves you enough to save you provided you come to Him in repentance, for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. But Jesus died for our sins while we were still sinners. He loves you enough to send HIs only begotten Son to bear the penalty for your sins on the cross, but he loves you too much to let you remain in the sin that he saves you out of. He alone can give you the strength to fight the flesh. When you allow Him to save you, He indwells you with His Holy Spirit who will lead you away from that lifestyle with your permission. You can do it with His awesome power! Just trust in His goodness and in His power to save. The greatest name in Heaven and on earth is the name of Jesus!
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:38 pm
mel,
Good point but it says it 2-3 times and in incredibly strong language. Do you think God later changed his mind and decided it was okay after all? His word is everlasting, it doesn’t change with the particular social mores or what’s socially fashionable for the day.
Kamchak
June 27th, 2011
2:39 pm
I got em all blowing steam out their ears this afternoon.
Not intended to be a factual statement.
Adam
June 27th, 2011
2:40 pm
Peadawg@2:23
Jack
June 27th, 2011
2:40 pm
I’m wondering where procreation fits in with this same sex stuff. Women can be inseminated, but I don’t think that works with men: unless, of course, the New York law changed all that.
Kamchak
June 27th, 2011
2:41 pm
For those of you who are contemplating the gay lifestyle or just recently gotten involved in it…
There’s your sign.
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
2:41 pm
monty,
“I urge you to read the scriptures”
I urge you keep your Spéir Faerie to yourself.
“The greatest name in Heaven and on earth is the name of Jesus!”
Prove it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:41 pm
Debbie and Adam- 2 minnows swimming round in my barrel. There are bigger fish in my barrel to shoot and fry.
Joe Mama
June 27th, 2011
2:42 pm
Doom — “I got em all blowing steam out their ears this afternoon.”
Dude, don’t hurt your arm from patting yourself on the back. You didn’t even show up until page 10 or 11; the argument was well under way before you ever stuck your mug in here today.
Adam
June 27th, 2011
2:43 pm
Thulsa: it says it 2-3 times and in incredibly strong language
And which book are all of those references in?
Debbie and Adam- 2 minnows swimming round in my barrel. There are bigger fish in my barrel to shoot and fry.
Thank you for providing evidence that you are only doing this to get attention. As such, I shall cease to give you any more. Good day!
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
2:43 pm
“Gay canadians on Craigs list eating seafood in leather shorts?”
They gotta be Newfies . . .
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:43 pm
jewcowboy- mocking God is treading on dangerous ground sir.
Speir Faerie? There’s your sign.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
2:44 pm
“mocking God is treading on dangerous ground sir”
He wasn’t mocking God. He was mocking YOU
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 27th, 2011
2:44 pm
Jay:
If it could be PROVEN that this new phase of human relationship was in fact the beginning of the end of Western Civilization as we know it do you think the gay/lesbian community would care or put the brakes on?
Nope ………. their selfish desires would not allow it.
Granny Godzilla
June 27th, 2011
2:45 pm
monty
I urge you to read the scriptures, in fact I really really urge you to read the scriptures…..especially those that are the actual words of Christ.
Cuz in religon poker – Christ beats Leviticus.
Thulsa Doom
June 27th, 2011
2:45 pm
Adam, Read your bible sir. I believe it says it at least once or twice in Leviticus and also it talks about sodom and gomorrah which was also a haven not just for homosexual sin. Do your own homework sir.
Adam
June 27th, 2011
2:45 pm
Scout: If it could be PROVEN that this new phase of human relationship was in fact the beginning of the end of Western Civilization as we know it
That’s absurd. There would be no scientific basis for such proof. Your point is useless.
Kamchak
June 27th, 2011
2:45 pm
jewcowboy- mocking God is treading on dangerous ground sir.
No, he’s actually mocking you.
My, what a big ego you have.