Institution of marriage gathers strength in NY
With Friday night’s vote in the New York Senate, the Empire State is set to become the sixth state, in addition to the District of Columbia, in which gay marriage is legal. And because New York will be by far the largest state to take that step, the number of Americans able to marry others of the same gender will effectively double.
This is, of course, the end of Western civilization and of the foundation on which it is built, which is the institution of marriage. Or not.
Kathryn Jean Lopez, writing at the National Review’s “The Corner,” has likened the vote by elected representatives in New York to the brutal repression exercised in North Korea, bizarrely claiming that we Americans are “witnessing tyranny today that is fostered by a false sense of freedom, a tyranny that faux tolerance ferments.”
John Guardiano, writing in the American Spectator, also laments the decline of marriage:
“…. the institution of marriage is [under threat] — so much so that marriage rates in America have plummeted and out-of-wedlock births have skyrocketed.
National Review’s Rich Lowry notes, for instance, that the number of Americans in intact first marriages has dropped from 73 percent in the 1970s to as little as 39 percent today, depending on socioeconomic status. And the poorer and less educated you are, the more likely you are to suffer from the political and cultural degradation of marriage.
Just 45 percent of moderately educated, middle-income Americans are in intact first marriages. For the poorest and least-educated Americans, the corresponding figure is 39 percent.”
Personally, I’m a strong believer in marriage, both as a living arrangement for adults and as the best possible setting in which to raise children. (”Best possible,” however, should not be confused with “only;” the unpredictability of human beings and the realities of life do not allow such blanket statements.)
However, I’ve never seen even a vaguely convincing argument that gay marriage has any affect whatsoever on the status of marriage among heterosexual couples.
Guardiano, for example, tries to suggest that gay marriage has “everything” to do with some ill-defined campaign by ill-defined forces to undercut marriage and bring the country down around our ears.
“Sure, this breakdown in the family has occurred independent of the push for ‘marriage equality’,” he writes. “But it is still part and parcel of an overarching effort to undermine and deprecate traditional marriage and the traditional family. It is still part of a broader political and cultural movement to decouple marriage from its principal purpose, which is the care and raising of children.”
What nonsense.
The care and raising of children is certainly “A” purpose of marriage, and is in fact one reason that gay couples seek that right. However, it is not THE purpose of marriage.
The existence of millions of loving couples who are childless either by choice or by nature refute that claim. Marriages of older couples beyond their child-bearing years refute that claim. Guardiano and others who make such an argument actually belittle marriage by stripping it down to a crude, single-purpose functionality — the raising of children — that seeks to deny its deep emotional rewards and challenges.
The suggestion that gay marriage is part of a guerrilla effort to undercut marriage itself is further undercut by hard data. In general, gay marriage has gained a foothold in those states in which marriage is already strongest, and it is rejected in states where marriage is more threatened.
Massachusetts, the first state to make gay marriage legal, has by far the lowest annual divorce rate in the country, at a mere 1.8 percent. New York has an annual divorce rate of 2.5 percent.
Georgia, in contrast, has an annual divorce rate of 3.2 percent.
In fact, the seven jurisdictions in which gay marriage is now legal, including the District of Columbia, have an average annual divorce rate of 2.7 percent. The average annual divorce rate in the 28 states in which recognition of gay marriage is explicitly banned, including Georgia, is 3.9 percent.
For the record, the New York bill contains explicit protections to ensure that religious organizations cannot be forced to recognize gay marriage or be forced to host marriages, receptions or similar ceremonies. While such protections are probably unnecessary, I think they’re also entirely appropriate. The histrionics of Lopez and others about tyranny aside, this is not an attempt to use government to impose something; it is an attempt to convince government to allow all of its citizens, not just some, to share in the benefits, rights and obligations of a critically important human institution.
– Jay Bookman
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jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
11:13 am
WOODSTOCK MIKE,
“I feel sorry for someone that actually thinks it’s romantic when they witness 2 dudes making out”
I feel the same thing when I see a straight couple making out..or having sex in the dressing room at the Gap at Lenox Mall…
Moderate Line
June 27th, 2011
11:13 am
The care and raising of children is certainly “A” purpose of marriage, and is in fact one reason that gay couples seek that right. However, it is not THE purpose of marriage.
The existence of millions of loving couples who are childless either by choice or by nature refute that claim. Marriages of older couples beyond their child-bearing years refute that claim. Guardiano and others who make such an argument actually belittle marriage by stripping it down to a crude, single-purpose functionality — the raising of children — that seeks to deny its deep emotional rewards and challenges.
++++
We can have many motivations for what we do. Saying that marriage has a primary focus doesn’t avail it from having a secondary focus. Children being the primary benefactor does not prevent spouses from benefiting from the institution as well but the primary benefactor of marriage are children. One only has to look at the statistics for children who are raised by both biological parents as compared to one. Sexual abuse among females from divorce parents is higher. Suicide rates among men who come from divorce parents are higher.
Jay statements only reflect how the institution has change from the early 20th century. You can read how this has change by reading some of DH Lawrence and Virginia Woolf writings.
The divorce rate is primarily from the shift to the emotional rewards or challenges. People leave when the challenges are more than the rewards. The modern concept of marriage is more based on the shift from a more collectivist mentality to a more individual. Marriage is not about the family it is about you and what you can get out of it.
It is interesting that Jay would emphasize the individualist aspect of marriage and then no wonder why the rich do not feel the need or responsibility for the poor. Maybe they do not want the emotional rewards or challenges.
I am not saying individualism vs collectivism is bad or good. To me you need a balance but I believe you need to understand the consequences of those views.
getalife
June 27th, 2011
11:14 am
“Yeah, they are doing that right now d00d.”
Not until they tell those cons they have no right to marry, go to school, vote, etc……
SwedeAtlanta
June 27th, 2011
11:14 am
Ref Woodstock MIke @ 11:05
I have great empathy for a child that is reared in a loveless home with parents too worried about making money and enjoying themselves not to love and care for their child. I worry about children that are raised in homes where they are subject to physical and mental abuse. I worry about children raised in homes without enough to eat, homes where there their medical and dental needs are not seen to. I worry about children that are homeless.
I don’t worry about a child raised in a loving home by two adults of the same gender or two parents of opposite gender that are not married or raised by only one adult. The important thing isn’t necessarily the gender of the “parents”, it is the environment in which they are raised, the love and attention they receive.
Kamchak
June 27th, 2011
11:15 am
I feel sorry for someone…
Don’t care about you passive/aggressive statements about your “feelings.”
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
11:15 am
“I feel sorry for someone that actually thinks it’s romantic when they witness 2 dudes making out… Absoulutely disgusting!!!!!!!”
But two hot chicks doing it is pretty exciting, right, Mike?
(or so I’ve heard . . . )
USinUK
June 27th, 2011
11:15 am
Del / Recon – well, as I pointed out earlier, scientific studies have shown that there is no detrimental effect to being raised by 2 people of the same gender, so … in this case, REALITY supports our political ideology
Joe Mama
June 27th, 2011
11:16 am
getalife — “Will you discriminate against each other for not being con enough?”
They already do. They are *terrified* of someone getting to their right on something.
Sometimes, my wife and I troll Free Republic and post just-short-of-fascist stuff that’s WAY to the right of the other posters on the thread; then we berate them for being commie hippie pinko lefty militant atheist muslims. Then we make popcorn, sit back and watch the fireworks.
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
11:16 am
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.),
“You just need to understand that on this issue the left doesn’t take children into consideration as it’s all about their political ideology.”
And you need to realize your opinion is not backed up by independent study…it’s just your opinion.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2011
11:16 am
are you implying that everyone knows someone brought up by gay parents.
I’m saying you’d have to walk around with your head up your ass not to know someone who was/is, yes.
Which describes you to a T.
getalife
June 27th, 2011
11:17 am
“I feel sorry for someone that actually thinks it’s romantic when they witness 2 dudes making out… Absoulutely disgusting!!!!!!!”
Why are you watching them ?
Curious?
Well, we have seen those who scream the loudest end up at gay bars.
Just sayn.
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
11:17 am
jewcowboy @ 11:12
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
June 27th, 2011
11:17 am
“You know, I could totally rip that apart, ten ways to Sunday, if I had a nickel, etc.”
No I don’t know but what I do know is that you didn’t have anything to say.
Adam
June 27th, 2011
11:17 am
jewcowboy: Because in most poll over 65% of those under 30 support marriage equality
OMG I’ve worked it out, cons are afraid of DYING OFF and that’s why they are so hell bent on destroying everything! They just want to leave their mark!
Maybe such cons in fear should take their own advice and DIE QUICKLY.
RB from Gwinnett
June 27th, 2011
11:17 am
“wonders what RB will do on the day he dies and realizes that the Buddhists were right!)”
I’ll be fine if I’m wrong. If you’re wrong, however, not so much….
josef
June 27th, 2011
11:18 am
USinUK
I’ll ask Cuzzin JC about that next time he drops in…but a little gold, frankencense and myrrh I understand are always appropriate…maybe just send them for Hannukah, starts in Dec. 9 in 2012 and will be over before the end…
mm
June 27th, 2011
11:18 am
“God gives us the ability to freely choose to do right and to sin and the ability to tell the difference.”
That’s the problem with conservatives. They believe they think for everyone else.
AngryRedMarsWoman
June 27th, 2011
11:18 am
‘I feel sorry for someone that actually thinks it’s romantic when they witness 2 dudes making out… Absoulutely disgusting!!!!!!!”
Sorry, but I don’t think it is romantic to see anyone “making out.” I think it is romantic to see people in love holding hands and maybe stealing a quick kiss…but full on making out in public is never appropriate. However, if a couple (gay or straight) is rude enough to do so – you can show your superior manners by not staring or commenting. I am going to hazard a guess that straight folks are more likely to rudely grope one another in public than gays are – but I have no scientific study to back that, just 40+ years of wandering the planet and observing. Whatever….
Adam
June 27th, 2011
11:19 am
WOODSTOCK MIKE: Couldn’t imagine having parents that are the same sex, that’s going to take a major mental toll on the child…
And actual studies done prove that you are wrong about that.
getalife
June 27th, 2011
11:19 am
“Sometimes, my wife and I troll Free Republic and post just-short-of-fascist stuff that’s WAY to the right of the other posters on the thread; then we berate them for being commie hippie pinko lefty militant atheist muslims. Then we make popcorn, sit back and watch the fireworks”
I know, it is too much fun
USinUK
June 27th, 2011
11:19 am
josef – well, if it’s Hanukkah, I thought that it was one nice gift + socks
Aquagirl
June 27th, 2011
11:19 am
I already conceded there is a difference in the acts, Dave, but again, thats NOT the argument being made.
Yes, RB, your argument is that you should have the right to intrude on other people’s private lives because you don’t like their choices. Which is why you keep tossing out unrelated crap like pedophilia, you’d rather discuss anything but your choice to crown yourself big paternalistic nanny-state daddy.
Granny Godzilla
June 27th, 2011
11:21 am
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
June 27th, 2011
11:13 am
“Couldn’t imagine having parents that are the same sex, that’s going to take a major mental toll on the child…”
You just need to understand that on this issue the left doesn’t take children into consideration as it’s all about their political ideology.
That is just plain wrong….to say it, to think it….really wrong dude. Shame on you.
Bruno
June 27th, 2011
11:23 am
I don’t want “gay” marriage. I want “marriage.” Same piece of paper for us all. Legal contract with the fact that Unmentionalble and I are both male not at issue.
josef–I’m curious how you square this view with your open bigotry against people born north of the Mason Dixon Line (i.e. those hated Northerners). I would say that both views are rooted in tribalism.
Joe Mama
June 27th, 2011
11:23 am
jewcowboy — “I feel the same thing when I see a straight couple making out..or having sex in the dressing room at the Gap at Lenox Mall”
My wife and I enjoyed meeting you at the mall and we hope to bump into you again real soon.
USinUK
June 27th, 2011
11:24 am
oh, Granny G … didn’t you get the memo? we hate children!!
in fact, this guy is the Democratic Party’s mascot:
http://www.virginmedia.com/images/childcatcher-431×300.jpg
josef
June 27th, 2011
11:24 am
USinUK
Don’t forget the tacky ties!
WOODSTOCK
Got one of my kids on hold,,,she says what would you like to know…
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
June 27th, 2011
11:24 am
“Del / Recon – well, as I pointed out earlier, scientific studies have shown that there is no detrimental effect to being raised by 2 people of the same gender, so … in this case, REALITY supports our political ideology”
Scientific studies are often discovered to be completely inaccurate in their conclusions. Childhood bullying and teasing are a fact of life and that can and does have an effect on a child’s emotional stability.
Bosch
June 27th, 2011
11:24 am
jewcowboy,
And when it does come, RB’s car with be left unoccupied — which, to me is dangerous and he shouldn’t be allowed to drive.
USinUK
June 27th, 2011
11:24 am
Joe – 11:23 –
now, that’s funny
USinUK
June 27th, 2011
11:26 am
Del –
so, this makes Day 2 of you going up against science – and again, being shot down.
seriously, just because YOU think something is true doesn’t mean it bears up under scrutiny.
Joe Mama
June 27th, 2011
11:26 am
Recon — “Childhood bullying and teasing are a fact of life and that can and does have an effect on a child’s emotional stability.”
Then stop bullying them, whydoncha?
Adam
June 27th, 2011
11:26 am
USinUK: in this case, REALITY supports our political ideology
Reality has a liberal bias, doncha know…
RB: Scientific studies are often discovered to be completely inaccurate in their conclusions.
Claiming success while denying failure. Again. I hope your ego is healthy.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
June 27th, 2011
11:26 am
@Josef
I’m not against gay people. And I’m sure you are a fantastic parent.
Normal
June 27th, 2011
11:27 am
Fear,,plain and simple. “You are not like me so I must fear you.”
——————-
How much easier it would be to just understand and respect one another.
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
11:27 am
OK, way off topic, but this just struck me way too funny this morning.
A brief clip of Samuel L. Jackson doing the audio version of “Go the (bleep) to sleep”. NSFW
http://www.avclub.com/articles/download-samuel-l-jacksons-audiobook-version-of-go,57503/
Adam
June 27th, 2011
11:27 am
Oops, I attributed something to RB that should have been attributed to Recon.
josef
June 27th, 2011
11:28 am
BRUNO
I’ll take that up with you elsewhere…just say for right now that according to the US Census 2010, the South’s number of same sex parents is signficantly higher than the rest of the country…there may be something tribal in that…it sure is in how we came to have our three…
Aquagirl
June 27th, 2011
11:28 am
The Gap is off my shopping list.
Granny Godzilla
June 27th, 2011
11:28 am
USinUK
I love children…..with a little butter and honey…..
sam
June 27th, 2011
11:29 am
kids raised by gay parents wont be any more screwed up than the rest of us…judging from these posts they will be much better off than alot of us.
ty webb
June 27th, 2011
11:29 am
Congrats NY gays and lesbians. Funny how gay marriage passing anywhere is more likely to bring a smile to Dick Cheney’s face than the current resident’s of 1600 pennsylvania avenue…hmmmmmmmm.
USinUK
June 27th, 2011
11:30 am
Granny – I prefer garlic and oregano …. (they don’t taste like chicken … more like lamb)
WOODSTOCK MIKE
June 27th, 2011
11:30 am
“One in five gay men in the United States has HIV, and almost half of those who carry the virus are unaware that they are infected, according to a new Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study.”
Adam
June 27th, 2011
11:31 am
Bullying as an argument is about that same as saying blacks and whites shouldn’t marry because fo the childhood bullying that would ensue for the resulting children.
Except that doesn’t happen anymore. As parental and societal attitudes change, so do the ways in which children decide another child is worth bullying. Or, you could tell your child not to bully other children, but stand up to bullies, no matter if they think they might get hurt by doing so.
Side note: The anti-bullying legislation has helped get at the ROOT CAUSE a great deal, rather than focusing on all the different WAYS someone can be bullied.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2011
11:31 am
I hope your ego is healthy.
well lessee… same guy who claimed he knew what a “Godly vantage point” would be, @ 10.49?
I think his ego is fine.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
June 27th, 2011
11:31 am
“And you need to realize your opinion is not backed up by independent study…it’s just your opinion.”
And that’s really all you have is just an opinion. So called independent studies often aren’t really independent at all but rather a refection of opinion pretending to be factual.
Bosch
June 27th, 2011
11:31 am
Woodstock Mike,
And?
Adam
June 27th, 2011
11:31 am
WOODSTOCK MIKE @ 11:30 am: And your point is?
josef
June 27th, 2011
11:32 am
WOODSTOCK
You’re not? Could’ve fooled me…seriously, though, why do you think that kids raised by gay parents are any different? How many do you know? Have you ever spent any time around them asking them what they think.
Believe me, it’s not just some theoretical, partisan whoop sh*t when you’ve been there. You have to ask yourself that question on an almost daily basis…and just like with straight parents, you do the best you can and pray for the best results…
Adam
June 27th, 2011
11:33 am
Recon: Your blanket dismissal of scientific studies is troubling. I do wonder though if you will say the same thing when a study backs your viewpoint.
Bosch
June 27th, 2011
11:33 am
Adam,
I’ll take a Dr. Pepper for my “Coke” — kthanx.
Johnjon
June 27th, 2011
11:33 am
Thank you Mr. Brookman for your thoughts, and insight. I myself have always wondered why so called conservatives are so threatened by my partner of 21 years and I finally being able to tie the knot, and make it legal. None of their irrational excuses are valid. Many times over the past 20 or so odd years, we’ve been asked by friends and strangers alike what our secret is for having a loving and committed relationship. I always say the same thing. Both sets of parents never divorced, and a lot of love. Some people have even commented that they don’t know many straight couples that have been together as long as my partner and I. I don’t want to marry my dog, my sister, or my car……. I just want to marry the man I feel in love with over 20 years ago. If that’s so revolting to some people, I’m sorry, but what goes on in my home is none of your business.
Aquagirl
June 27th, 2011
11:33 am
Bonus passive-aggressive points for Woodstock Mike!
Bosch
June 27th, 2011
11:34 am
Adam,
“I do wonder though if you will say the same thing when a study backs your viewpoint”
Science backing up the cons viewpoint? Oh good one on a Monday morning…good one.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
June 27th, 2011
11:34 am
@Josef
Agreed, and your kids are lucky to have good parents…
Kamchak
June 27th, 2011
11:35 am
Woodstock Mike,
And?
WOODSTOCK MIKE @ 11:30 am: And your point is?
Bosch, Adam — somewhere hidden in that mess is a ticket to board the shame train on a guilt trip.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
June 27th, 2011
11:40 am
USinUK, I believe that you’re an intelligent person and you know as well as I do that this blog is all about opinion. For every study, chart or scientific opinion anyone can go out on the internet and find something that either refutes or supports a bloggers posted comment on any given subject. That’s why it amuses me whenever I see someone posting a comment and then provide a link that they think proves their opinion.
USinUK
June 27th, 2011
11:40 am
Kam – and that ticket is one-way, buddy!
Left wing management
June 27th, 2011
11:41 am
Woodstock Mike: “Couldn’t imagine having parents that are the same sex, that’s going to take a major mental toll on the child…”
You’re implying that the “toll” they will suffer from is deviation from some norm, but I think that norm is greatly overstated. First of all, there is no universal norm of a functional marriage, and secondly, in our society today there are countless other scenarios where children have to grow up in a situation that does not fit some ‘norm’, as someone pointed out above.
Again, to the extent that studies on the topic exist, and there are some, they show that there are no ill effects on children of such families at all.
USinUK
June 27th, 2011
11:41 am
Del – then show us one.
show us a scientific study that supports your opinion.
because, right now, all you’ve done is tell us what YOU think.
AmVet
June 27th, 2011
11:41 am
“Seems weird that that the loonie left wants to make a big deal out of nothing.”
After all it they who want to pollute our sacred US Constitution with their vile and idiotic amendments, huh Righty?
And did RB REALLY equate homosexuality with pedophilia and rape???
Only when the worst of these hyper-reactionary old guard dies off will the GOP have a chance of joining the rest of an enlightened planet on these matters…
JoeV
June 27th, 2011
11:42 am
@WOODSTOCK MIKE
I feel sorry for people naive enough to believe in fairy tales and then spew hate and garbage because of it. The world would be a much kinder place without your made up god.
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
11:43 am
Of course it’s opinion, Recon, but opinion should at least be backed up by some reality (i.e. a study or two or some factual data to back up such opinion). Otherwise, it is just uninformed ranting.
Happily Married
June 27th, 2011
11:44 am
At last there is a state that actually went with gay marriages through the legislative process, versus liberal judges deciding to make it the law. Whether it becomes a trend, who knows. It has always been beaten by popular vote and I would think a few NY legislators are now in their last terms.
No one can argue that the breakdown of families in this country has had a terrible effect on children/teens, etc. Just have to look at the soaring crime rates, billions/trillions spent on welfare/incarceration/etc. to know government policy in the area has been an abject failure for 40+ years.
The saddest thing about the NY bill is that it was held up to make sure religious institutions had to have legal protections because gay people would force them to marry them, etc. That’s so ridiculous (but I’m sure lawyers would have been all over it suing churches, etc.). Probably still will….
jt
June 27th, 2011
11:44 am
Only when the worst of these hyper-state worshipping old guard dies off will society as a whole be able to live in harmoney.
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
11:45 am
“because, right now, all you’ve done is tell us what YOU think.”
More like what he BELIEVES, USinUK.
I’m not sure thinking is part of that equation . . .
AngryRedMarsWoman
June 27th, 2011
11:45 am
‘Couldn’t imagine having parents that are the same sex, that’s going to take a major mental toll on the child…”
If the mental health of the child(ren) is the issue, then they need to very quickly outlaw divorce except in the most heinous situations and immediately put all parents in counseling to work out their crap. Before my Ex got the wanderlust and bolted and began to consistently fail at fathering, I “couldn’t imagine” subjecting my son to having divorced parents. Divorce – now THAT “will take a major mental toll on the child” yet selfish pricks (women too) subject their children to it day in and day out in this country and I don’t see laws being passed to ban it. I would actually be happier than a pig in slop if the gay couples could make a better go of it for their children (should they choose to be parents). Just to bring it full circle, my son and I found a wonderful man to complete our family and now the ex/birth-father is nothing but one more selfish prick wandering around and hopefully not spreading seed anymore.
RB from Gwinnett
June 27th, 2011
11:46 am
“And did RB REALLY equate homosexuality with pedophilia and rape???”
Geez. Another tool unable to read….
Adam
June 27th, 2011
11:46 am
Christians seem to hate atheists, and yet your continued attempt to turn this country into a theocracy is what is making more and more of them fight back against you. Perhaps you should quit while you’re ahead? But no, keep on keeping on with the overreach.
You can start by charging ONLY atheists 700% more than the cost of a bus ad for “insurance” against that ad being vandalized. It effectively blames the atheists for any vandalization. Of course, if an atheist vandalized a Christian ad, it wouldn’t be the Christian group’s fault, now would it?
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
11:46 am
“versus liberal judges deciding to make it the law”
When you have a constitution (ala California) that guarantees equal protection to all citizens, then a judge really has NO CHOICE but to strike down a law the DENIES that equal protection to some citizens. That’s not “making” it the law, that is PROTECTING the citizens from a BAD law.
wet wiccan
June 27th, 2011
11:47 am
If people are worried about cheapening the concept of marriage, shouldn’t they be protesting TV shows like Married by America, Who Wants to Marry a Multi-Millionaire or The Bachelor? These shows make marriage a game.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
June 27th, 2011
11:47 am
UsinUK, “show us a scientific study that supports your opinion.
because, right now, all you’ve done is tell us what YOU think.”
Come on now…that’s all anyone has done. No time left to play some work to do, have a good one.
USinUK
June 27th, 2011
11:47 am
Dave – 11:45 – nailed it.
josef
June 27th, 2011
11:47 am
WOODSTOCK
So, then, Unmentionable and I are the “well, you’re not like the rest of them,” exception? That’s a bit patronizing imho.
And bullying?
I asked the one on hold, “you knock the sh*t out of ‘em and keep on truckin.” (to the background while saying that, K. quit pickin’ on P! Give him back the iPad. Don’t come crying to me if he…”)
BADA BING
June 27th, 2011
11:48 am
Why do gays want to have less sex and give 1/2 of their stuff away every 5-10 years? Divorce lawyers are licking their chops (sorry) at the prospect of 11% more clients.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
June 27th, 2011
11:48 am
@JoeV
When did I mention God? You seem to have issues within yourself… Keep me out of it… And please show me the “hate” that I have spewed. When someone disagrees it doesn’t mean they are spewing hate. You seem a bit touchy, I’m sure there must be a reason within you… I haven’t once said I am opposed to gay marriage, I was simply bringing up a few points, but as a typical liberal, if something is opposed to your logic, you freak out and make up lies to justify your thoughts…
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
11:48 am
“Geez. Another tool unable to read”
Your problem is that we can read only too well
USinUK
June 27th, 2011
11:49 am
Bravely ran Sir Robin ….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4SJ0xR2_bQ
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
June 27th, 2011
11:49 am
Well, me and my buddy Jim Earl and my other buddy Joe Bill was talking about this New York thing up at Billy Bob’s Friday night when the word come down. And Jim Earl pointed out that this thing was going to cause a whole bunch of Sin. And he wasn’t just talking about gay marriage.
See, us Straight people tend to get a little tired of our wife after a few years. Right now, you can swap a wife out in a few weeks, just by getting a lawyer to file papers in court. Pretty soon you’re divorced and can marry the next one. Happens all the time. Heck, I don’t know anybody that ain’t been married at least twice. Most of the men I know have been married three times.
Now what’s going to happen when all these gays start filing for divorce? I’ll tell you what will happen. With all the divorce cases of the gays showing up in courts and getting jumbled up with all the divorce cases of the Straights, it’ll take years for one of us Straight people to get unhitched. And people ain’t going to wait years to get unhitched and take up with the new wife. They’ll start living in Sin! What kind of Fambly Values is that?
This is what will happen from messing around with God’s law. It’s a sorry, sorry state of affairs we’re getting into.
Have a good day everybody.
jt
June 27th, 2011
11:49 am
Unfortunantly, the institute of Gay Marraige will suffer the same fate as the institute of hetero marraige did……once the State was invited in.
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Wave your rainbow flags, rejoice, and celebrate.Ya’ll get what you deserve………………a tax penalty.
Really
June 27th, 2011
11:50 am
Cool can I now marry my sheep?
Adam
June 27th, 2011
11:50 am
wet wiccan: Marriage is already a game.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
11:51 am
“once the State was invited in”
“The State” has ALWAYS been “in” marriage. The earlies references to marriage that we have found to date are LEGAL references. It is RELIGION that has muscled in on what should be a purely legal contract.
AmVet
June 27th, 2011
11:53 am
So expound for me, RB.
You said, “So are pedophiles and rapists, but that doeesn’t make it right now does it?”
Unless you have some rabbit up your sleeve, I contend that is a truly stupid and vile comparison based on your sheer ignorance and religious bigotry.
But, please for additional entertainment purposes, try and prevaricate your way out of this one…
Left wing management
June 27th, 2011
11:53 am
jt: “the institute of Gay Marraige will suffer the same fate as the institute of hetero marraige did……once the State was invited in.”
Well then we’re really in for it, since state intervention goes all the way to emperor Augustus, if not further.
Dave R.
June 27th, 2011
11:53 am
“Cool can I now marry my sheep?”
Just as soon as your sheep can prove they’re an adult and consents to marry you.
But for the life of me, I don’t know why they would . . .
RB from Gwinnett
June 27th, 2011
11:54 am
“Your problem is that we can read only too well”
Then you’ll have no problem showing us all where I equated homosexuality to pedophilia. Hurry back with that, but make sure you don’t copy the 2 cases of me saying I get that there is a victim in one case and not the other and pointed out multiple times the issue was them both being “born that way”.
USinUK
June 27th, 2011
11:55 am
Doggone – “It is RELIGION that has muscled in on what should be a purely legal contract.”
if you haven’t read the book “Committed”, it’s a really interesting read (by the same writer who did Eat Pray Love)
RB from Gwinnett
June 27th, 2011
11:56 am
“You said, “So are pedophiles and rapists, but that doeesn’t make it right now does it?”
Nice, Amvet. Copy PART of the comment and write your own meaning into it.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
11:57 am
“Well then we’re really in for it, since state intervention goes all the way to emperor Augustus, if not further”
Much, much further! It’s in the Code of Hammurabi, which is a legal document of laws – not a religious one.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
June 27th, 2011
11:59 am
What’s Obama’s position on gay marriage?
wet wiccan
June 27th, 2011
12:00 pm
Marriage is already a game – Adam
Not to me, it isn’t.
Left wing management
June 27th, 2011
12:00 pm
Doggone: “Much, much further! It’s in the Code of Hammurabi, which is a legal document of laws – not a religious one”
I wondered if I shouldn’t have said “Hammurabi” instead there. Thanks.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
12:01 pm
“What’s Obama’s position on gay marriage?”
Who cares?
An abomination before God
June 27th, 2011
12:01 pm
So now we’re going to legalize and endorse sick behavior that is an abomination. No doubt this country has gone into the moral sewer when we ignore the laws of nature and also the laws of God. Political correctness has ruined this once great nation. Now we are just a country out to enact laws endorsing perversity so that we can feel good about treating everyone equal. Faux equality is what it is.
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
12:02 pm
WOODSTOCK MIKE,
“What’s Obama’s position on gay marriage?”
Evolving…
Aquagirl
June 27th, 2011
12:02 pm
RB translation: Getting whooped here, let’s change the subject and argue about how I parse words! There! I win!
And why have I never read “running red lights and vandalism are normal too, why don’t we allow that?” It’s always sex with animals and children. I’m sure its coincidence that every bigot chooses the same dog-whistle words.
jewcowboy
June 27th, 2011
12:03 pm
An abomination before God,
“So now we’re going to legalize and endorse sick behavior that is an abomination. ”
I didn’t realize they were making watching “Jersey Shore” and “The Housewives of _____” mandatory…
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2011
12:04 pm
” also the laws of God”
The only “laws” of God that I’ve ever heard of were written by his own hand on stone tablets. Where does it say on those laws that legalizing “gay” marriage is a sin?