Federal judge blocks pieces of HB 87

From AP:

ATLANTA — A federal judge has granted a request to block parts of Georgia’s law cracking down on illegal immigration from taking effect until a legal challenge is resolved.

Judge Thomas Thrash on Monday blocked parts of the law that penalize people who transport or harbor illegal immigrants. He also blocked provisions that authorize officers to verify the immigration status of someone who can’t provide proper identification.

Thrash also dismissed parts of the lawsuit at the state’s request.

I’ll be interested to read the whole ruling (PDF available here), but in the short term I don’t think this changes much. While Thrash has blocked implementation of the most legally aggressive sections of the bill, most of its structure remains intact, including E-verify requirements on employers.

UPDATE: Here’s a crucial section of the ruling, dealing with the question of whether the federal government has in effect ceded law enforcement authority to Georgia and other states by not actively enforcing immigration law:

“The widespread belief that the federal government is doing nothing about illegal immigration is the belief in a myth. Although the Defendants [state of Georgia] characterize federal enforcement as “passive,” that assertion has no basis in fact. On an average day, Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers arrest approximately 816 aliens for administrative immigration violations and remove approximately 912 aliens, including 456 criminal aliens, from the United States.

In 2010, immigration offenses were prosecuted in federal court more than any other offense. Of the 83,946 cases prosecuted under the federal sentencing guidelines, 28,504, or 34% involved immigration offenses. In 2010, of 81,304 criminal cases prosecuted in federal court, 38,619 (47.5%) were non-United States citizens.

It is true that there are thousands of illegal immigrants in Georgia that are here because of the insatiable demand in decades gone by for cheap labor in agriculture and certain industries such as construction and poultry processing. The federal government gives priority to prosecuting and removing illegal immigrants that are committing crimes in this country and to those who have previously been deported for serious criminal offenses such as drug trafficking and crimes of violence. To the extent that federal officers and prosecutors have priorities that differ from those of local prosecutors, those priorities are part of the flexibility that “is a critical component of the statutory and regulatory framework” under which the federal government pursues the difficult (and often competing) objectives, of “protecting national security, protecting public safety, and securing the border.”

UPDATE II:

Thrash also cites the sworn affidavit of Lewis Smith, police chief of Uvalda, a small farming town of 600 in southeast Georgia.

“This is going to be devastating to my community and to many other areas of rural Georgia,” Smith wrote. “I believe this law will open the door to racial profiling if it is implemented. There are a lot of good police officers, but there are some bad ones out there too, and if the bad ones don’t like Hispanics, for whatever reason, they will have the ability to try to verify that person’s immigration status. I believe that officers in many small towns will rely on physical appearance or way of talking (accent) to determine whether to stop someone and attempt to verify the person’s immigration status.”

Smith also explained the burden that HB 87 would place on him and other law enforcement officers. He is the lone officer in Uvalda, and transporting a suspected illegal immigrant to the closest jail 40 miles away, booking the person and returning home would pull him off patrol for two hours and 15 minutes.

“Because Uvalda is such a small town, everyone in town knows when I’ve left town and the criminal element often takes advantage of this time to commit crimes,” he writes.

And about that criminal element?

“The criminal element in Uvalda does not include the population HB 87 targets. In Uvalda, even though we are a small town, we have a big prescription drug problem resulting in break-ins, burglaries and even suicides. Hispanics, and particularly Hispanic immigrants, are law-abiding people.”

“I currently have a good relationship with the Hispanic community, but HB 87 is going to erode the communities’ trust in me.”

“I think this law unfairly targets Hispanic people. The Hispanic people living in my community are law abiding people. They have family and kids.”


– Jay Bookman

171 comments Add your comment

TnGelding

June 27th, 2011
3:04 pm

Interesting, indeed. Maybe the court can save us.

Kamchak

June 27th, 2011
3:06 pm

While Thrash has blocked implementation of the most legally aggressive sections of the bill, he has allowed most of its structure to remain intact, including E-verify requirements on employers.

At least until after this years harvest, eh?

Boyscout

June 27th, 2011
3:15 pm

The origional suit never challenged the E-verify portion. So of course the judge didn’t strike that portion down.

Carol

June 27th, 2011
3:16 pm

Harvest? LOL – who will harvest now? you ? the state of GA is going down, we have waay too many lazies on unemployment and wellfare – and the only people that want to work now are unable to do so !!! interesting !!

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 27th, 2011
3:21 pm

Are there any illegals remaining in GA? I thought all the illegals left and Georgia’s produce crops were rotting away?

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
3:21 pm

Doesn’t affect my job any. I’ll still do the same tasks as before.

Kamchak

June 27th, 2011
3:23 pm

Harvest? LOL – who will harvest now? you ?

I have my own field to worry about here in this small hamlet in the N.C. Mtns.

I expect to be harvesting beans, peas, corn and tomatoes this year.

Dusty

June 27th, 2011
3:24 pm

Well, I don’t know what took the judge so long. We have long had immigration laws. The fact that they have not been fully implemented at the Federal level does not change the fact that immigration laws are still in force.. It is illegal to claim all the privileges of a citizen when you are not one.

Reams of rants and unhappiness can be written but immigration laws remain.. No judge can abolish them, just a few frills that are mostly irrelevant.

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June 27th, 2011
3:28 pm

“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government (or JUDGE)
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.”

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
3:30 pm

The fact that they have not been fully implemented at the Federal level does not change the fact that immigration laws are still in force.

Nothing against you personally, Dusty…. However, why is it that we always have to put something down in order to make ourselves feel justified? Where is the proof that laws have not been fully implemented? Are there not Border Patrol Agents patrolling the Sonoran Desert Area? The Rio Grande Area? Great Sky Country in Montana?

How about putting down the responsible group for once? Americans demand all this security, fromborder security to neighborhood security, yet we expect people to do the job of possibly taking bullets for pennies on the dollar. Have any of you noticed that the agency responsible for border security has been subject of budget cuts recently? You want your security, however, you don’t want to pay for it. Well, sometimes you get what you pay for.

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June 27th, 2011
3:30 pm

P.S.

There is no way a citizen of Georgia should have to prove to any law enforcement officer that the vehicle they are driving is insured. If the officer can’t take their word for it then …………. TOO BAD !

Well, there you go !

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June 27th, 2011
3:33 pm

Headline: “GUILTY on all counts of trying to sell Obama’s senate seat… ”

And I repeat ………. the feds. shut down that case way earlier than they had too rather than “risk” (I repeat “risk”) having the first black President-Elect on tape for an indictable offense.

i speak the truth US

June 27th, 2011
3:33 pm

the damage has been done.

Farmers will continue to suffer.

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June 27th, 2011
3:37 pm

Headline: “Supreme Court Strikes Rule Banning Violent Video Game Sale to Kids”

“In striking this law the Court has made clear that the video game industry effectively empowers parents to be the ones to decide which games are right for their children,” Vance said.

JAY: Can this be extended then to “government schools empower parents to be the ones to decide what moral instuction is right for their children” ???

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/06/27/supreme-court-to-rule-on-violent-video-games-for-kids/#ixzz1QVTuxaGn

Kamchak

June 27th, 2011
3:37 pm

Have any of you noticed that the agency responsible for border security has been subject of budget cuts recently? You want your security, however, you don’t want to pay for it.

Whenever I ask a round ‘em up and ship ‘em backer how much they are willing to spend — on a per head basis — to accomplish this task, I usually get no response.

On two occasions I got a “whatever it takes” answer.

As Doggone/Ga pointed out, this is from the Taxed Enough Already crowd.

Another Voice

June 27th, 2011
3:44 pm

The judge stopped GA from becoming a defacto police state. Secure communities and 287 g the federal programs that allow local police to help with Immigration are still in effect in Georgia. The damage from the law is done just ask the farmers……

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June 27th, 2011
3:48 pm

Another Voice:

Why do I have to show proof of insurance?

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
3:48 pm

Kam

The whole “fed government isn’t doing it’s job” argument didn’t bother me at all before I had the honor of escorting a BP Agent’s remains through the airport. After talking with his co-workers, one of whom was with him when he was killed, my respect for what the BPA’s do increased tenfold. Those guys and girls put their asses on the line in ways that most people would refuse to do. When have we ever sent two Marines or two soldiers to patrol areas the size of counties with the closest backup miles and miles away?

When people spout that crap, I take it as a spit-in-the-face moment for my colleagues who selflessly put their ass on the line day in and day out for this country.

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June 27th, 2011
3:50 pm

Kammie:

We could do it almost for free by using stateside troops ……….. let them hold all of their “war games” on the border.

Now “that” would be good “multiple use” of our tax dollars.

Aquagirl

June 27th, 2011
3:50 pm

Wow, the judge took out the part that really thrilled the wingnut crowd, where cops got to harass anyone funny looking or with a truck full of funny-looking people. The part applying to big agra still stands.

I bet this is NOT what our crazy legislature wanted. Now the mobs have no Jessica Colotl for the evening news, AND the cash-rich businesses are still P.O.’d.

Hilarious!

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June 27th, 2011
3:51 pm

Brosephus:

I did it all the time …………….. just me and my spotter and my old trusty Remington 700 (1967 – 68) …………. and I had a lot more to worry about than some illegal Mexicans.

You do what you have to do.

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June 27th, 2011
3:52 pm

Aquagirl:

Why do I have to show proof of insurance ?

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
3:53 pm

Why do I have to show proof of insurance?

Because you made the conscious decision of driving onto public roads. If you do not wish to provide proof of insurance, simply follow the law, and you won’t have to. Isn’t that the whole argument over illegal immigration, follow the law?

*If you’re a passenger in a car, you don’t have to show proof of insurance.

*If you’re driving on private property, you don’t have to show proof of insurance.

*If you’re riding on public transportation, you don’t have to show proof of insurance.

*If you walking, skating, or biking, you don’t have to show proof of insurance.

Being American gives you the freedom of choice. If you choose to do so, you can live your entire life and not have to show proof of insurance. Don’t get mad because you choose NOT to live your life in a manner condusive to the ideal way you want to live it. It’s all conscious choices you make.

Dylan

June 27th, 2011
3:54 pm

A police state?
This law cracks down on people who already broke a federal law. Why is that people think they should not be punished for committing a crime? And the Farmers should not have hired illegals in the first place, they are suffering because they ratter pay illegals under minimum wage. Right now the democrats are trying to scare all of the Hispanics into thinking they cops will break down their door and take them away even if they are illegal.
Give it a couple months legal Americans and immigrants will start to take those jobs and the legal Hispanics will learn it was just a scare tactic and come back too.

Peadawg

June 27th, 2011
3:54 pm

“most of its structure remains intact, including E-verify requirements on employers.” – That’s good.

I figured the police officer one wouldn’t stand. It still looks like the bill will scare away illegal aliens (i.e. punish employers), which is good.

Dusty

June 27th, 2011
3:55 pm

Nothing against you either, BROSEPHUS, but federal protection of our borders has not stopped the influx of illegal aliens. That may be due to lack of funds or lack of management. But it was the job of the Feds and therefore they get the blame.

When I was working in the Sonoran Desert in Arizona, close to Mexico, for several summers, the death toll for people trying to cross the desert ran over two hundred a summer. Those were people already across the border dying from the heat. The Border Patrol and the Indian police force was doing all it could to save these people but it was too late for many of them.

Border protection is no easy job. Almost impossible in some regions. But I see no alternative to protecting the boundaries of our country.

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
3:55 pm

let them hold all of their “war games” on the border.

I did it all the time …………….. just me and my spotter and my old trusty Remington 700 (1967 – 68)

You, of all people, should know that military troops can not be used on US soil in police actions. How much area were you, your spotter, and your Remington 700 responsible for patrolling on a regular basis?

Aquagirl

June 27th, 2011
3:56 pm

Scout…I dunno, what insurance?

I’m still reeling that you think it’s OK to use the military for cheap labor. How about we use them for strange and outlandish things like wars?

Kamchak

June 27th, 2011
3:57 pm

Bro/SoCo

I’ve always seen this as a supply/demand problem. Make some CEOs do the perp walk and hard time in Federal Pens (instead of minimum security country clubs).

No jobs — no IAs.

BlahBlahBlah

June 27th, 2011
3:57 pm

In other words, this judge is OK with the idea that the Feds indirectly encourage breaking employment laws because they don’t go after the offenders. Therefore, Georgia isn’t allowed to do anything about it either. Awesome.

DebbieDoRight

June 27th, 2011
3:57 pm

Dusty: Well, I don’t know what took the judge so long. We have long had immigration laws.

OMG! I agree with Dusty!! :shock: Everybody start praying, the world is coming to an end. It’s really the rapture ths time!

Peadawg

June 27th, 2011
3:58 pm

“Farmers will continue to suffer.”

Which is what Jay, and others who screamed “go after the employer” wanted. And bill is doing that by scaring away illegals away.

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
3:58 pm

Border protection is no easy job. Almost impossible in some regions. But I see no alternative to protecting the boundaries of our country.

You’ve witnessed it firsthand, yet you have no problem kicking sand into the eyes of the people who voluntarily chose to do that job for the country? I’m guessing you see nothing wrong with that. Instead of complaining about what the federal government, I would expect that someone who has witnessed things firsthand would be more inclined to fuss and preach about what they could do better instead of just copping the attitude that they’re not doing their job.

AmVet

June 27th, 2011
3:59 pm

Cons do not give a damn about personal liberties.

They sat there and grinned stupidly when George took away habeus corpus. If there was ANY irony at all in the world, more than a few of them would be picked up on *suspicion* of terrorism, never told what the charges against them were and then kept until they died without trial, or even being able to contact their family.

Given their adamant support for that, is it any wonder at all, they want to stop and ask funny looking people to provide their papers, circa Germany 1934?

Kamchak

June 27th, 2011
4:00 pm

You, of all people, should know that military troops can not be used on US soil in police actions.

Not to mention that merely crossing the U.S. boarder is not a capital offense.

Jay

June 27th, 2011
4:00 pm

Take a look at UPDATE II posted above. I found that police officer’s affidavit particularly compelling, as Judge Thrash apparently did.

Adam

June 27th, 2011
4:01 pm

Finally some sanity

scrappy

June 27th, 2011
4:01 pm

“The widespread belief that the federal government is doing nothing about illegal immigration is the belief in a myth”

Since this goes against the campaigning of the GOP presidential candidate (all of them…) how long do you think it will take for the GOP news media machine to turn this judge into a radical, trying to legislate from the bench?

The Dems need to pick up on this and the spread the word, maybe someone will actually listen.

Peadawg

June 27th, 2011
4:01 pm

“Cons do not give a damn about personal liberties.”

And judging from your post, AmVet, about asking for papers…looks like you do not give a damn about the law.

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
4:01 pm

Kam

That’s it in a nutshell. If you wish to rid yourself of a problem, remove the source of the problem. It’s easy to tell that jobs are the #1 reason people cross illegally into our country. Take away the jobs, if people don’t wanna do it voluntarily, then hit them with stiff penalties for each illegal person they hire. People will soon get the point. I’ve found the only way to get an American’s attention is to hit them in the wallet. Being nice and talking is just like trying to scold a wall for standing in your way.

Peadawg

June 27th, 2011
4:03 pm

“He is the lone officer in Uvalda, and transporting a suspected illegal immigrant to the closest jail 40 miles away, booking the person and returning home would pull him off patrol for two hours and 15 minutes.”

WWaaaahhhh. So it’s a burden on him to uphold our nation’s laws? Looks like he’s in the wrong business.

RedEye

June 27th, 2011
4:05 pm

“Hispanics, and particularly Hispanic immigrants, are law-abiding people.”

I’m sure Lewis Smith is telling the truth here. But if these “Hispanic immgigrants” are illegal immigrants then they are breaking our laws.

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June 27th, 2011
4:05 pm

“There once was a pervert named Weiner
Who had a perverted demeanor
Forced from the Hill
For acting just like Bill
Now Congress is one weiner leaner”

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June 27th, 2011
4:06 pm

Brosephus:

Very good !!!

And I agree ……….

Therefore:

Why do I have to show proof of citizenship?

Because I made a conscious decision to come into this country.

Adam

June 27th, 2011
4:07 pm

Peadawg: Looks like he’s in the wrong business.

Looks like someone didn’t read the whole reason this is a BAD THING for that town (on the very next line!):

“Because Uvalda is such a small town, everyone in town knows when I’ve left town and the criminal element often takes advantage of this time to commit crimes,” he writes.

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
4:07 pm

So it’s a burden on him to uphold our nation’s laws? Looks like he’s in the wrong business.

And soon as the first person is mugged or killed because he wasn’t able to respond to a call while taking Jose on his 40 mile trip, the question would be why wasn’t he protecting his community? You can’t have your cake and eat it too. People want Lloyds of London protection while trying to pay Dollar Tree prices. It’s not gonna work in a capitalistic society. You get what you pay for.

American dream now on sale

June 27th, 2011
4:08 pm

Come one, come all! The American dream now on sale! In the recent months we’ve hired 2 immigrants at half price? How can anyone keep up with the standard of living when it’s dropping like the stock market?

RedEye

June 27th, 2011
4:08 pm

So basically, Uvalda is a place where you don’t want to live or visit. Seems there are a high number of criminals in that town of 600.

Peadawg

June 27th, 2011
4:09 pm

““Because Uvalda is such a small town, everyone in town knows when I’ve left town and the criminal element often takes advantage of this time to commit crimes,” he writes.”

Hhhhmmm…maybe hire another police officer? Doh!

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
4:09 pm

Why do I have to show proof of citizenship?

Last time I checked, we don’t live in East Germany or Russia where someone always has to show their “papers” on demand at any given time. And to think, y’all are calling Obama socialist and fascist, when it’s your demands and actions that are driving the US over that cliff….

Original Thought not Necessary

June 27th, 2011
4:10 pm

Dusty,

In your first post you hit to the heart of this problem in terms of its constitutionality. Like it or not, a state law cannot stray into an area which is within the province of the federal government. In terms of preemption the constitution provides and the USSC has ruled repeatedly that a federal law preempts a state law. In other words, if the feds regulate based on federal law then the states cannot make a more restrictive law and have it hold up in court.

So the question here is really not whether this law is fair or just, that is an argument for another time and place. (Specifically in the legislature prior to passage or in the courts as it is enforced.) The question is whether or not the Georgia law carves out areas of enforcement not already regulated by federal law. If it does not then it is a matter of preemption and the law is unconstitutional.

We can argue all day about whether the federal government is upholding its end of the bargain but the fact of the matter is even if they are not, the states cannot step in and write duplicative laws to “do it for them.”

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June 27th, 2011
4:10 pm

Brosepuss:

1) Sure they can be used ………… not against U.S. citizens but against a foreign invasion.

No problem.

2) As far as I wanted to go over a two or three day period and as far as I could “reach out and touch someone”.

3) My son (a police officer) used to work the entire northern part of a certain metro country on the midnight shift with just one other officer. It happens.

AmVet

June 27th, 2011
4:11 pm

That is SO cool about that Police Chief!

I never realized that there were pragmatic people/non neo-cons in south Georgia!

Interested in protecting his community versus protecting a twisted ideology.

And to Jay’s and scrappy’s point, why educate yourself with actual facts, when you can be a parrot for the right wing? Like getting pisspoor grades in school, it’s a helluva lot easier…

Jay

June 27th, 2011
4:12 pm

But Peadawg, to do that they’d have to — GASP!! — raise taxes!

In a town of 600, hiring, training and equipping another law enforcement officer would probably cost an average of $70 per person per year.

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June 27th, 2011
4:12 pm

Brosepuss:

I say again my last over:

“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.”

poison pen

June 27th, 2011
4:12 pm

The provisions empowering police to arrest illegal immigrants, and barring people from transporting, harboring and luring them to the state, would have taken effect Friday.

Does this mean that it’s ok to be a Coyote, what next?

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June 27th, 2011
4:12 pm

Jay:

Back from a late lunch I see ?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 27th, 2011
4:13 pm

Well, I see this Brosephus and his pals are still feeling up grannies. The latest news is about a 96 year old woman that was forced to remove her adult diaper. And there was stuff in it too. I hope those preverts got it all over them.

If they would crack down on the illegals as much as they feel up grannies and kids, we wouldn’t have a illegal immigration problem or need a HB 87. I wouldn’t even think about letting the missus go on a airplane. Brosephus and his bunch of preverts would have a field day feeling her up. There sure is alot to feel up.

Otherwise, this is just a ruling by a Activist Judge. It ain’t Activist, though, if they rule for the Conservative side.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

Adam

June 27th, 2011
4:13 pm

Peadawg: What, and raise taxes to do it? BLASPHEMY!

Peadawg

June 27th, 2011
4:13 pm

“versus protecting a twisted ideology.” – Yes, the word “illegal” is a twisted ideology! Oh the madness!

Adam

June 27th, 2011
4:14 pm

Damn, Jay beat me to it by a minute! :lol:

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June 27th, 2011
4:14 pm

poison:

What is means, is that the law is rapidly becoming prostituted.

We move toward anarchy where each citizen is free to choose those to obey only those laws he/she likes.

poison pen

June 27th, 2011
4:14 pm

Jay, sounds like the Police chief needs a neighborhood watch, or else maybe he’s just full of BS.

OMG...Really

June 27th, 2011
4:15 pm

Peadawg,

Do you ever think before you sit down to post or do you just let the verbal diarrhea burst forth like the proverbial goose?

Oh, and how’s that research on the individual mandate in the healthcare overhaul coming. It’s been days…..ever figure it out?

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
4:15 pm

Scout

1) So, now we’re gonna classify illegal immigrants as an invading army of some kind???

2) That still doesn’t give me an idea. Some people can’t hike 2 miles in a day.

3) Good thing your son isn’t with GSP or else he’d be doing multiple counties by himself, with a radio as backup. Those guys have it worse than BPA’s. I know it happens, but why do we allow people to kick sand in their eyes to make a partisaned argument?

carlosgvv

June 27th, 2011
4:15 pm

Once again, a single person blocks the will of thousands and thousands of citizens. The majority of Georgians clearly favor this new law and, if a single Judge can block or overturn it, a political and social condition is demonstrated that does not seem to be anywhere near what the Founding Fathers intended.

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June 27th, 2011
4:17 pm

To my military buddies out there:

This is the best thing I’ve heard/seen in awhile.

The deepest “pilot down” rescue in Nam !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvRcP4go-eg

Peadawg

June 27th, 2011
4:17 pm

“Oh, and how’s that research on the individual mandate in the healthcare overhaul coming. It’s been days…..ever figure it out?” – Who are you really and what are you talking about exactly?

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
4:17 pm

“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.”

Fathom the erroneous information
peddled by a former agent of said
government in order to erect
a defensive barricade to try to
protect his argument.

getalife

June 27th, 2011
4:18 pm

Actions have consequences.

Immigration reform is the solution but the cons just have to discriminate.

poison pen

June 27th, 2011
4:18 pm

Carlosgvv, every once in awhile you hit it on the head, good post.

Dusty

June 27th, 2011
4:20 pm

BROSEPHUS,

If you see stating a problem as an insult against anyone involved, you are going to stay angry all the time. The people in Border Patrol work are doing a most dangerous job. I do not attack them personally. I am saying the obvious. That the purpose of closing the border to illegal entry is not successful. Seeing it close up made it even more obvious. I don’t like seeing ;people die in the desert for any reason. But the PROBLEM remains. Whom should we mention to cure this problem?

Arizona and Georgia have decided that they must do what they can. THEY are trying to answer the problem of illegal aliens at the state level.

.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 27th, 2011
4:20 pm

There will of course be more detailed clarification but it appears that much of the law is intact.

Peadawg

June 27th, 2011
4:20 pm

“Immigration reform is the solution” – No need for amnesty. There’s already a path to citizenship that’s is taking by millions of immigrants each year.

Adam

June 27th, 2011
4:20 pm

carlosgv: It’s exactly what the Founding Fathers intended. Checks and Balances, dude.

getalife

June 27th, 2011
4:21 pm

Dusty,

It is a mandate on labor and anti business.

AmVet

June 27th, 2011
4:21 pm

“Once again, a single person blocks the will of thousands and thousands of citizens.”

This statement simply could not be more irrelevant.

The law of the land is not a popularity contest. If it was, we’d still have poll taxes in many places in Dixie and gawd knows what else.

Logical Dude

June 27th, 2011
4:22 pm

carlosgvv “The majority of Georgians clearly favor this new law”

Well, that still doesn’t mean it’s constitutional.

Plus, many years ago. .. the Majority of Georgian clearly favored single race marriages to an extent interracial marriage was illegal. So, no matter how YOU or OTHERS feel about it, if it’s unconstitutional, a judge WILL block it.

Kamchak

June 27th, 2011
4:22 pm

Do you ever think before you sit down to post or do you just let the verbal diarrhea burst forth like the proverbial goose?

There is an actual word for that — verborrhea.

Peadawg

June 27th, 2011
4:23 pm

It is a mandate on illegal labor and anti illegal immigration.

Fixed your typo, getalife.

getalife

June 27th, 2011
4:23 pm

“No need for amnesty. There’s already a path to citizenship that’s is taking by millions of immigrants each year.”

How long does it take?

Your mandate on labor is anti business.

Adam

June 27th, 2011
4:23 pm

Dusty: No, they’re pandering to idealogues and making laws that are unnecessary and wrong.

Peadawg: There is no path to citizenship for people brought here before they realized what the heck was happening. Once they get deported, they won’t be back. But that’s really the point, isn’t it? Some will even have bans on when they could return anyway that are many years long.

josef

June 27th, 2011
4:24 pm

ZamVet

“I never realized that there were pragmatic people/non neo-cons in south Georgia!”

And there you go again…there’s A LOT you don’t realize about “them” “out there.” You just find your own stereotypes, prejudices, biases, and bigotries a comfortable little niche to crawl into to make yourself somehow feel superior. I like you a lot, but you are really trapped into precisely what you claim to be so much against…

getalife

June 27th, 2011
4:24 pm

Pea,

Speeding is illegal but not anti business.

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
4:25 pm

If you see stating a problem as an insult against anyone involved, you are going to stay angry all the time.

If you’re gonna blame elected officials for not doing their job, then insert elected officials where you put federal government. When you say the federal government isn’t doing their job, there are more average citizens working for the federal government who are indeed doing their job than there are elected officials who are not doing theirs. For me, that is a distinct difference. That would be like blaming a hospital for removing my arm if I went in for gall bladder surgery, when it was the doctor’s actions and not the hospital as a whole.

Peadawg

June 27th, 2011
4:25 pm

“Your mandate on labor is anti business.”

With 10% unemployment, they have plenty to hire. If the farmers refuse to improve working conditions…that’s not my fault.

AmVet

June 27th, 2011
4:25 pm

You cons had your chance back in 2007. One of a tiny few things George got right, but as usual you screwed it up.

So now what?

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
4:27 pm

Adam

There is a pathway to citizenship for almost anybody. It’s called “marry an American”.

Peadawg

June 27th, 2011
4:27 pm

“Speeding is illegal but not anti business.” – Could be if you think about. Truckers should be able to deliver products as fast as they see fit, shouldn’t they? Looking making speeding illegal IS any business.

getalife

June 27th, 2011
4:27 pm

Pea,

w had this right.

Free the labor for a pro business position.

Aquagirl

June 27th, 2011
4:28 pm

“We move toward anarchy where each citizen is free to choose those to obey only those laws he/she likes.”
Or when we think it’s OK to shoot a 17 year old in the head because they want to mow your lawn or pick your produce.

Seriously man, get help. Your desire to “reach out and touch” illegals crossing the border is not shared by sane people. Do not hand one of our current troops a rifle and tell them to shoot a non-combatant for committing a CIVIL penalty. You’ll get it back, and not in a good way.

I hope you’re just BS’ing for blog purposes.

OMG...Really

June 27th, 2011
4:28 pm

Ah yes, the selective memory of the demagogue. A few days back you used the individual mandate in the health overhaul to beat me and an number of others over the head as if it were your personal bully stick. You had some pretty nasty things to say tome until I asked you if you even knew WHY the provision was in the plan in the first place. A question that one,anyone who read the plan would know and two, can be expressed in a single sentence.

You spent the rest of the day bleeting repeatedly that you knew the rationale but mysteriously refused to tell anyone what it might be.

I understand that I am extremely petty harping on this but as someone who gets called “damned librul” over and over I am SICK of your ilk spouting off on things of which you obviously have no knowledge, simply parroting back the opinions you are told to have. If you want to appear knowledgeable then that’s fine, do the homework. If you don’t, then hush!

the Truth

June 27th, 2011
4:28 pm

Carol said this stupid comment “the state of GA is going down, we have waay too many lazies on unemployment and wellfare – and the only people that want to work now are unable to do so !!! interesting !!”

Please Carol and White people, SLAVERY is over, no way will it ever come back..I bet you wouldn’t go pick veggies for $6 an hour in the hot sun!..if these selfish farmers would offer a higher salary, maybe BLACKS would want to do it, but until then, i say collect all the unemployment and food stamps that you can! if WHITE people would not elected a CROOK name BUSH maybe these UNEMPLOYED people would still have their JOBS.. Hell, It is still more WHITES receiving WELFARE and FOOD STAMPS than BLACKS anyway, so why don’t they get off their SORRY WHITE a** and pick veggies for $5 an hour!.WHITE people please quit blaming BLACKS for all of the problems in AMERICA, We only make up 13% of this dirty stupid country, so it is not enough of us over here to effect anything…Quit voting CROOKS (Deal, Bush) into office and stop trying to fight senseless trillion dollar wars that RICH WHITES do not want to pay for!..

josef

June 27th, 2011
4:29 pm

The damage is done, the judge’s decision notwithstanding. The good policeman from Uvalda is simply stating the case as it is in Uvalda, the place he knows and evidently loves enough to call it home. I’ll take his word for it.

getalife

June 27th, 2011
4:29 pm

Are the gop stealing these jobs too for the election?

Thomas

June 27th, 2011
4:29 pm

and the solution to the budget crisis is…….

repeal LIFO

is 9 the unemployment rate or the President’s handicap- can’t remember.

Logical Dude

June 27th, 2011
4:29 pm

Another item that MOST OF YOU don’t understand, is that many who are considered “illegal” were once “legal” and the time ran out on their stay, but they stayed anyway.

So that ‘SECURING THE BORDER” talk won’t stop those who get a work permit, since they are LEGALLY crossing the border.

And as Police Chief Lewis Smith advises, you want to be working FOR your community. You don’t want your community to be so suspicious of the law that they will suffer at the hands of others for it. That’s what happens in many Latin American countries already, where the law is so corrupt. It’s hard enough for them to trust law enforcement here, and when they just need to complain about a noisy neighbor, they don’t want the cop to ask “Papers Please!” just to file a complaint.

AmVet

June 27th, 2011
4:29 pm

Josef, lighten up. (And I like you a lot too.)

It was written mainly tongue in cheek. I have traveled all over this state. I have met lots of great people. Of all colors and stripes. Yeah, there a re a lot of hicks, but bfd? So am I.

And before you remove that plank in my eye, what of Bruno’s point about your generally biased and sometimes distasteful comments about northerners?

Waldo

June 27th, 2011
4:30 pm

“He is the lone officer in Uvalda, and transporting a suspected illegal immigrant to the closest jail 40 miles away, booking the person and returning home would pull him off patrol for two hours and 15 minutes.”

Um, what do you do with the DUI suspects, burglars, drug suspects, rapists, etc? I guess you have to let em walk. Heck, I’m going to drive down to Uvalda and go on a crime spree as, evidently. it’s too much of a burden to be jailed there.

Moderate Line

June 27th, 2011
4:31 pm

Among the major worker groups, the unemployment rates for adult men (8.9 percent),
adult women (8.0 percent), teenagers (24.2 percent), whites (8.0 percent), blacks
(16.2 percent), and Hispanics (11.9 percent) showed little or no change in May. The
jobless rate for Asians was 7.0 percent, not seasonally adjusted. (See tables A-1,
A-2, and A-3.)

Not enforcing the labor laws affects certain groups disaportionately. Interesting enough those groups are mostly non-whites such as Hispanic citizens and blacks. White unemployment is around 8% for the country so whites are hardly affected.

Uvalda has a population of 530. Could you not find a smaller city Jay? Perhaps the city would be better served by unincorporating and letting the county handle the law enforcement.

The unemployment in Montgomery County GA is at 12.2%.

http://www.economagic.com/em-cgi/data.exe/blsla/laucn13209003

Peadawg

June 27th, 2011
4:32 pm

OMG…Really

Oh you’re that guy. Why did you change your name? It should be changed to Peadawg’s Leghumper.

Off with you! *shakes leg trying to get you off**

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
4:32 pm

Redneck

You’d best believe that the last thing I wanna do at work is touch other people. Some people lack the most basic skills when it comes to personal hygiene.

Dusty

June 27th, 2011
4:33 pm

Original thought,

I believe Arizona and Georgia are trying to fill in the shortcomings of Federal law. If the states overstep their boundaries, then the courts will stop them. That is what is happening right now. The ACLU and others will certainly see that no overstep happens, even if the whole purpose of the Fed law is obviously inadequte or unfunded or whatever.

We, the USA, have a PROBLEM. We are working on the PROBLEM. Our constitution is still intact so we will overcome the PROBLEM as we have in the past. That is why so many people want to come here. They leave the hopeless land to come to the land of solving problems. We just have to remind some of them that it has to be done by the law.

Logical Dude

June 27th, 2011
4:36 pm

Dusty: Fed law is obviously inadequte or UNFUNDED or whatever

So, how much more in taxes would you be willing to pay “to do what it takes”?

Mary

June 27th, 2011
4:37 pm

If I get hit by an illegal alien without insurance, is the federal government going to do anything for me in terms of uncovered losses, because it is insisting on its sole right to oversee immigration control? We have around 400,000 illegal aliens in and around Atlanta, what are the chances you are going to be hit by a drunk, uninsured illegal alien. It happens all the time!!!

AmVet

June 27th, 2011
4:37 pm

Bro’s point is the one that will stick with me the most after this topic is long forgotten.

Cops, security personnel, firefighters, teachers, etc, either put their lives on the line or have some of the very toughest, most important jobs out there.

Yet they get paid a pittance in radiative terms.

While some dorky actor, or football player of speculating scumbag on Wall Street makes more in one day than they will in a year.

I’d love to see that reversed, even if for one day…

OMG...Really

June 27th, 2011
4:38 pm

Peadawg,

You can shake all you want and call me all the names that you want but you still have lost whatever little shred of credibility that you ever had.

You still can’t answer the simplest of questions central to your argument.

And even though you had NO IDEA what you were talking about you did your best to shout me down and call me every ignorant name you could think of. But I’m still here and you still don’t know. Maybe if you keep listening Hannity or Rush or Neal will let the answer slip and then yo can pretend you know something.

You’re a sad little person.

AmVet

June 27th, 2011
4:38 pm

Radiative???

Uh, lets try relative instead…

Dusty

June 27th, 2011
4:38 pm

Brosephus,

Good thing you don’t work in healthcare. You should see some of what is brought to the laboratory for examination. There is nothing in or out of the body that is not intereting in the medical field. If it doesn’t look “right” to start with , you should see it under a microscope. Most interesting!!

josef

June 27th, 2011
4:39 pm

My distatesful comments on people from Up North? The ones who fall into the Carpetbaggers sobriquet or the ones on those who come here to live, work and make lives for themselves respectful of their new neighbors, the immigrants? You and Bruno and others seem to think that an attack on one element of that population demographic is an attack on all…that’s your shtick, not mine. And when I DO take a swipe for tongue-in-cheek, I put in a smilie…You just go profiling and then claim you aren’t…called out, how many times have you seen me deny it?

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
4:39 pm

Perhaps the city would be better served by unincorporating and letting the county handle the law enforcement.

Maybe they incorporated because they didn’t feel that they were getting the services from the county they were due based on the amount of taxes they paid. Unincorporating would then put them back into the situation they were trying to get away from.

Just playin’ devil’s advocate there….

getalife

June 27th, 2011
4:40 pm

The number one issue this cycle is jobs and the gop are stealing them and Medicare.

Are you cons really going to vote for that?

What in the world is wrong with you?

josef

June 27th, 2011
4:40 pm

That 4:39 is for ZamVet

Peadawg

June 27th, 2011
4:41 pm

“You’re a sad little person.” – Says the creep little leghumper hiding behind a fake name on Jay’s blog.

Too funny.

RedEye

June 27th, 2011
4:43 pm

“The number one issue this cycle is jobs and the gop are stealing them and Medicare.”

Really? And where are they storing/hiding these jobs they’ve “stolen?”

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
4:43 pm

Dusty

I have nothing but respect and admiration for anyone who chooses to work in the medical field. I’ve sat up in the lab with my mom before and seen many a “sample” brought in for tests. I have aunts, cousins, and a sister who are nurses of all kinds and varities. I have EMT friends who love to regale me with tales of the things they’ve seen. I wouldn’t last a week in any medical position, although I’ve been thinking of taking EMT courses to increase my skills base with my current employer.

Original Thought not Necessary

June 27th, 2011
4:43 pm

Dusty,

To the extent that the states fill in around where the federal regulations fall short then the laws pass the Supremacy test. Then it’s on to analysis of the laws on their merits and impacts.

Courts are obviously inundated with cases and requests for cert. Hence they will look at the technical aspects of the case (i.e. basic Constitutional provisions) prior to turning to the merits. If it fails under the first bar they are happy to toss it. One less case and one less decision. If it passes that bar then it’s on to the merits.

In other words, this if FARRRRR from over.

Peadawg

June 27th, 2011
4:43 pm

“The number one issue this cycle is jobs and the gop are stealing them ” – Again, let’s see if we can put this together.

Illegals leave, opening up more jobs. 10% unemployment. Farmers aren’t providing very good working conditions. See where I’m going with this? It can easily be fixed.

llllll

June 27th, 2011
4:44 pm

YEAH!!!!!! GREAT JOB JUDGE YOU ARE THE BEST JUDGE STOP STOP HB87 RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VIVA MEXICO

Aquagirl

June 27th, 2011
4:44 pm

If it doesn’t look “right” to start with , you should see it under a microscope. Most interesting!!

Dusty, I never thought I’d say this…but you are a better woman than I.

Granny Godzilla

June 27th, 2011
4:44 pm

off topic, but Uh-Oh

water berm failed at Ft. Calhoun nuke plant…..water entering building
and pumps running on emergency power.

OMG...Really

June 27th, 2011
4:45 pm

There’s nothing fake about me. I never pretend to know things I don’t and my opinions are mine alone.

And I know why the individual mandate exists.

Want the leg humper to go away? Then answer my question and I’ll never post here again.

getalife

June 27th, 2011
4:46 pm

“opening up more jobs”

No silly.

Open jobs and no labor.

No business.

Stop stealing jobs extremist.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 27th, 2011
4:49 pm

Brosepuss:

“Fathom the erroneous information
peddled by a former agent of said
government in order to erect
a defensive barricade to try to
protect his argument.”

Good dodge !

carlosgvv

June 27th, 2011
4:49 pm

Adam, AmVet, Logical Dude

So, you think one Judge knows better and has more sense than the majority of the voters. No doubt you favor a strict intelligence and education test for all voters so that only the truly qualified will be able to vote.

Peadawg

June 27th, 2011
4:49 pm

“Want the leg humper to go away? Then answer my question and I’ll never post here again.”

Nah, I think I’ll treat you like my 6 yr old nephew who bugs me to get attention. I stop reacting and he eventually goes away.

Whether or not you chose to stop the leghumping is your choice.

RedEye

June 27th, 2011
4:49 pm

“Open jobs and no labor.”

I wasn’t aware that the supply of labor was so small…oh that’s right it’s not.

AmVet

June 27th, 2011
4:50 pm

OK, josef, I’ll play it real safe from now on.

I’ll just add a (smile) or (grin) after every post and that way I’m less accountable for the content! And I guess I’ll continue to be a carpetbagger… (Smile) (Grin)

Mike Huckabee just robocalled me. Jeez… (NO smiles or grins!)

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 27th, 2011
4:52 pm

HEADLINE: “Confirmed: Uncontacted tribe in Amazon”

(CBS/AP) RIO DE JANEIRO – “The Brazilian government has confirmed the existence of an uncontacted tribe in a southwestern area of the Amazon rain forest.”

I bet they are Democrats.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/06/27/scitech/main20074743.shtml#ixzz1QVnL0JEk

OMG...Really

June 27th, 2011
4:52 pm

In other words……You still don’t know.

You represent everything that is wrong with the right wing in this country. You love to bash away from your ignorance without any shred of knowledge.

Call me what you wish…I own you.

josef

June 27th, 2011
4:52 pm

CARLOS

“So, you think one Judge knows better and has more sense than the majority of the voters”

In the matter of the case as presented him in his position and within his bailiwick, yes…he has to look at aspects that the majority of the voters do not.

Maria Patricio

June 27th, 2011
4:55 pm

For the farmers that need workers remember for know the way to go is H2 A workers. I can help you with this matter. I hope that the the state laws willget stopped by federal Laws

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
4:55 pm

Scout

Not a dodge at all. I just fail to see the hypocrisy in your statement. However, I do see intellectual dishonesty being used to push a partisaned argument. Where does EVERY American have to be insured right now? Don’t say the ACA, because that doesn’t kick in until 2014, if it survives legal challenges. You’re putting the cart before the horse trying to be poetic, but your statement lacks intellectual credibility.

Are you suggesting that we hire and swear in “papers” police here in the US?

josef

June 27th, 2011
4:56 pm

ZamVet

:-)

BTW…what’s it doing up your way…we’re having a boom-boom down here…came up out of nowhere it seems…lots of loud thunder, little bit of downpour, no lightening and not much wind…

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 27th, 2011
4:58 pm

Headline: “NY Man Busted Pretending to be Soldier for First Class Upgrade”

“A man was arrested after he donned an army uniform and posed as a soldier so that he would get bumped up to first class on a flight from the Dominican Republic to New York’s John F. Kennedy (JFK) International Airport, the New York Post reported Monday.

Although he was wearing a standard-issue army combat uniform and cap, he could not produce a military ID. Diaz — who sources said never served in the military — also had a black POW patch on his sleeve, which an actual soldier would never wear in that spot, the sources said. His dog tags were comically engraved with the words, “USA Marines Corp.”

SO WHAT’S THE PROBLEM? Obama says, “corPs-man” .

Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2011/06/27/li-man-rock-diaz-busted-pretending-to-be-soldier-for-first-class-upgrade/#ixzz1QVoiLYyh

AmVet

June 27th, 2011
4:58 pm

carlos @4:49. both of your arguments are completely preposterous.

First, “So, you think one Judge knows better and has more sense than the majority of the voters.”

Of course a federal judge knows more about the law than the majority of the voters! Or do you contend otherwise?

“No doubt you favor a strict intelligence and education test for all voters so that only the truly qualified will be able to vote.”

Do you often put BOTH feet in your mouth at the same time?

The ONLY people I have EVER seen here trying to restrict voting is far-right cons.

I have frequently advocated for the very opposite and for an empowered electorate. Make it even easier, via Saturday or Sunday elections, instant runoff voting, none of the above voting and so forth.

josef

June 27th, 2011
4:59 pm

BROSEPHUS

“Are you suggesting that we hire and swear in “papers” police here in the US?”

It wouldn’t surprise me one little bit…many another free, democratic, and civilized state has fallen prey to just that…

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 27th, 2011
5:00 pm

Brosepuss:

For illegal aliens ? You bet ………… it’s called the County Sheriff’s Department and the State Police.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 27th, 2011
5:01 pm

josef:

And don’t forget a police officer in full uniform having to show ID to buy a pack of cigarettes !

It’s the law ………. you know, “cigarette police” !

FedUp

June 27th, 2011
5:01 pm

Here are the facts:

July 2010 report showed:
425,000 ILLLEGAL immigrants in Georgia. 7th highest state in the US. Does it take that many ILLEGALS to work on farms and construction (that has totally dried up during the recession?)
$2.4 billion is spent PER YEAR of the Georgia State budget to support ILLEGALS. Georgia’s total 2010 state budget was $18 billion. So 13.3% of the entire budget is spent on ILLEGALS.
$317 million is spent on ILLEGALS for medical care. Remember it’s AGAINST THE LAW for government services to be provided to ILLEGALS! So when the ILLEGALS come here and have a baby, what does it cost the taxpayer on average? $10,000 for the delivery alone.
$1.2 billion is spent on education for ILLEGAL immigrants children in the school system. Over 1/4 of all ILLEGALS are children.

So as you are sitting there thinking it doesn’t cost anything from your pocket to support ILLEGALS, think again.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 27th, 2011
5:02 pm

P.S. to josef:

……………… and, I submit you are not a free (vs. anarchy), democratic (rule of law) or civilized (illegals murdering, driving DUI and plundering at will) state if you can’t control your borders.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 27th, 2011
5:03 pm

Never surprises me that Scout can take any story and with a few lines of jibberish somehow turn the point of the story into blame Obama. Why here was Scout at his finest. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke5Mr5eCF2U

Tell us again Scout about Area 51 on the birth certificate and the great revelation was were suppose to see.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 27th, 2011
5:04 pm

FedUp:

Good but you left out all of the crime stats.

What percentage of our jail population are illegals held or sentenced for violent crimes ?

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 27th, 2011
5:05 pm

Good Flight:

LOL !

josef

June 27th, 2011
5:05 pm

FedUp

How did you (or your source) arrive at that cost figure? Not being snarky, am truly interested…

josef

June 27th, 2011
5:07 pm

Scout

Okay, those crime statistics…how do they stack up percentagewise with those commited by our native born?

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
5:07 pm

josef

I’m always surprised at how people want to have THEIR freedoms, but have no problem trampling on others to make them feel more secure.

Scout

How does one tell the difference between an illegal alien and a citizen in order to ask for “papers”?

FedUp

June 27th, 2011
5:07 pm

josef,

It was reported HERE on the AJC last July from PEW research data obtained.

josef

June 27th, 2011
5:09 pm

BROSEPHUS

How do you tell? Ask Unmentionable…criminally swarthy!

AmVet

June 27th, 2011
5:09 pm

Keep, that scene is hysterical.

There just ain’t any arguing on behalf of sidewindin’, bushwackin’, hornswaglin’, cracker croakers!

But arguably, the greatest line in that film is the one that Lynn Westmoreland Joe Bidened (sort of), “That uppity ______ hit me in the head with a shovel!”

Logical Dude

June 27th, 2011
5:10 pm

carlosgvv: you think one Judge knows better and has more sense than the majority of the voters.

That’s not what I said. The Judge knows the constitution better than the majority of voters. :)

It’s our whole system of checks and balances that this country is founded upon. If the “majority of voters” want to override the judge, then they can update the constitution to make things constitutional.

That’s how the country works. Checks and Balances.

josef

June 27th, 2011
5:10 pm

FedUp
Just wondering…I’ll go and look up how they arrived at those stats…

Thomas

June 27th, 2011
5:10 pm

moot point- a number of illegals are making their way to NYC. Simply pass around the hot potato until we get (elect) a President that leads-

Brosephus

June 27th, 2011
5:11 pm

$317 million is spent on ILLEGALS for medical care. Remember it’s AGAINST THE LAW for government services to be provided to ILLEGALS! So when the ILLEGALS come here and have a baby, what does it cost the taxpayer on average? $10,000 for the delivery alone.

However, upon return for a search of facts, there’s this nugget of information available if your google isn’t broken. Courtesy of the Georgia Department of Community Health:

http://www.georgia.gov/00/channel_title/0,2094,31446711_31945377,00.html

Many groups of people are covered by Medicaid. Even within these groups, though, certain requirements must be met. These may include your age; whether you are pregnant, disabled, blind, or aged; your income and assets, and whether you are a U.S. citizen or a qualified alien. Non-qualified aliens or undocumented immigrants may be eligible for emergency assistance only.

*Emphasis mine

If I’m correct, labor is considered part of that emergency assistance as well.

Joe Mama

June 27th, 2011
5:12 pm

Brosephus — “Last time I checked, we don’t live in East Germany or Russia where someone always has to show their “papers” on demand at any given time.”

I believe the phrases you are looking for are “Ihre Papiere, Kamerad” and “Dokumenti, Tovarisch.”

Dusty

June 27th, 2011
5:12 pm

Well, it is has been a pleasure cussin’ & discussin’ with most of you. Some days a lot can be learned. But I better get my “act” together and get busy.

I should mention good news before I leave. . Goergia is one of nine states declared fiscally sound. How ’bout that? We Georgians know how to be THRIFTY!! Now if we can just teach “Washington” to be thrifty so we can pay for the good stuff. Yes!! (Do NOT raise taxes!)

Logical Dude

June 27th, 2011
5:12 pm

FedUp at 5:01: So as you are sitting there thinking it doesn’t cost anything from your pocket to support ILLEGALS, think again

You just made a GREAT ARGUMENT for amnesty! Make THEM legal and make THEM pay for their services and taxes!

Thank you for your support!

Aquagirl

June 27th, 2011
5:13 pm

AmVet

June 27th, 2011
5:16 pm

Another goo day for Americna justice.

Blogovich was convicted on 17 of the 20 public corruption charges related to his attempt to sell the Senate seat once held by Barack Obama.

Here’s to making little rocks out of big ones. (Or going to some cushy minimum security, country club, fed pen like most white collar thieves…)

josef

June 27th, 2011
5:19 pm

aquagirl

Thanks…that’s about what I was suspecting…

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2011
5:24 pm

“If I’m correct, labor is considered part of that emergency assistance as well”

Not to mention that the baby, once born, is an America citizen

Left wing management

June 27th, 2011
5:25 pm

““The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living” – Marx

the Truth

June 27th, 2011
5:27 pm

@At all mexicans

Please quit working for $4 an hour, WHITES are going to expect us to do the same!

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 27th, 2011
5:28 pm

josef:

Crime statistics ? Doesn’t matter ………… 1% is too much (to a family who lost a son (today’s paper) to an illegal DUI) because they are NOT supposed to be here.

Brosepuss:

Easy:

1) Police officer is either dispatched to a wreck (no “discretion” involved).
2) The driver is approached.
3) The driver is very nervous.
4) The driver speaks little or no English.
5) The driver has no proof of insurance.
6) The driver has no driver’s license.
7) The driver has no other picture ID.
8) There are Corona bottles all over the floorboard
9) There are two people hiding in the trunk

Next question.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 27th, 2011
5:31 pm

“If I’m correct, labor is considered part of that emergency assistance as well.”

Brosephus, you’re correct and that’s the avenue that illegals use. There are in fact pregnancy centers that cater specifically to illegals where they get pre-natal care at very affordable prices and those centers help them through the paper work for Medicaid assistance. When they start going into labor they’ve already been pre-arranged to check into the hospital through emergency. It’s costing states a bundle in Medicaid cost for illegals.

Jay

June 27th, 2011
5:32 pm

I’ve read through the opinion and put together a column for tomorrow on this topic, which is posted above. I’m about to close comments here in order to move people upstairs.

pogo

June 27th, 2011
5:32 pm

Uh Jay, if I were you, I would lay off using Uvalda, Ga to try to further your political point. I grew up 10 miles from it and reside 30 miles from it now. It was (and is) a place we avoided in my youth and for good reason. The whole area is built upon government dollars (and other revenue streams derived from how should I say it, questionable sources?).

For all of your harping about how we are hurting the hardworking illegals, they are still costing our society a huge amount of money. The farmers get off cheap in that they don’t have to pay the same tax rates as the rest of us (because of special deductions and depreciations) but the rest of us have to foot the bills for the social upkeep (food, healthcare, etc) of the illegals children. And that cost is huge and getting bigger. Again, there just plain isn’t enough money to fulfill all of your pollyanna dreams Jay.

AmVet

June 27th, 2011
5:35 pm

(CNN) – On the eve of her official presidential announcement, GOP presidential candidate Michele Bachmann incorrectly identified movie star John Wayne’s origins in an attempt to draw a parallel between her and the American icon.

“I want them to know just like John Wayne is from Waterloo Iowa, that’s the spirit I have too,” Bachmann said Sunday on Fox News. “It’s embracing America. It’s sacrificing for America.”

John Wayne the movie star was born in Winterset, Iowa, which is approximately three hours Southwest of Waterloo, Iowa, Bachmann’s native city and the site of her presidential announcement Monday. But according to the Waterloo Chamber of Commerce, the actor’s parents did live in the city at one point.

However, it was a different John Wayne that caused the misstep to go viral on the internet.

Serial killer John Wayne Gacy was born in Chicago, Illinois and later lived and worked in Waterloo where he was convicted of sodomy and sentenced to prison. Gacy, known as “the clown killer” was found guilty of 33 murders in the Chicago area in 1980 and died by lethal injection in 1994.

Bachman’s campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

So now the dingbat is idolizing serial killers! (grin, smile, smirk and laugh)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 27th, 2011
5:36 pm

Ahhh…. life and fetus is so important to protect. God’s little miracle don’t ya know. So we can’t have no abortion. But when that miracle is born to some, whether it be their legal status or their religion, then perhaps its not so important to provide medical care and assistance in the birth, just to be sure that they are prevented from the abortion. If mother and child die in the act of birth, well that be God’s will I be sure.

Aquagirl

June 27th, 2011
5:38 pm

“It’s costing states a bundle in Medicaid cost for illegals.”

As opposed to the costs of a US citizen born without pre-natal care, who will need medical care all their life? Children born here are citizens. You may not like it but it’s the law. And what part of LEGAL don’t you understand?

Besides I thought you were “pro-life.” Children don’t deserve protection in the womb if their mother is illegal? Hm.

Moderate Line

June 27th, 2011
5:42 pm

“Because Uvalda is such a small town, everyone in town knows when I’ve left town and the criminal element often takes advantage of this time to commit crimes,” he writes.

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What happens when he goes to sleep? Seriously Jay you can do better.