So far, probationers don’t cotton to farm life

Maybe Bernie Madoff would be interested?

Mitt Romney is unemployed too.

Newt seems to have a pretty open schedule.

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Granny,
Newt’s finance team is looking for something to do.

mwuahahahahahaha

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Separating the men from the boys (no racial slur intended).

You go, Jesus!!!!!

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OFF TOPIC:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110621/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_health_overhaul_glitch
“A married couple could have an annual income of about $64,000 and still get Medicaid”
“Up to 3 million more people could qualify for Medicaid in 2014 as a result of the anomaly.”

Fantastic (sarcasm)!!!!!!!

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Is Bookman advocating such working conditions?———————-

“By law, each worker must earn minimum wage, or $7.25 an hour. But there’s an incentive system. “Harvesters get a green ticket worth 50 cents every time they dump a bucket of cucumbers. If they collect more than 15 tickets an hour, they can beat minimum wage.”
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Progressives DO have a sense of humor.
They think it is amusing to make fun of a Republican policy…at the expense of a broken down “mexican” at 35 years old.
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Maybe if it was a gay mexican…………………………………………………

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Please excuse the broad generalization: These latinos are a people who have NOT forgotten how to work. But Americans are not fundamentally stupid, or lazy, and they are capable of learning how to work again. We can do anything. And we can become great again. Even if it’s only at picking produce.

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Penny, in the words of Ross Perot _it’s about computer chips, not potato chips.” Doing low value-add task will not make any country great.

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Thanks to you Liberals and 2 years of unemployment benefits, why pick cotton and make less money in 95% heat?

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With the millions that this guy got from us taxpayers I doubt if he even cares if his cukes are picked.

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11.4 million in subsidies? How about paying wages that make it worth the time and effort to do the job. Could probably include bonuses as well. Or, keep complaining that we just can’t function without an undocumented workforce.

Keep in mind that illegal aliens don’t have the same “options” as regular citizens. Hence, they will do anything you tell them to. I seem to recall a similiar workforce here in Georgia some 180 years ago that pretty much did the same thing.

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Don’t really follow this. This appears to be a poorly executed plan. So the probationers were sent to work in a field with no apparent economic incentive and no recourse to their actions? Shocking, really shocking, that they left? I would suggest a call to Captain of Cool Hand Luke fame. anyways

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Don’t cotton to it? That was corny Jay. The probationers are a bunch of has-beans anyway, no one is gonna work hard for peanuts. This whole issue is small potatoes . We have to find a way to squash this immigration problem, we have plowed too much time and money into it. We need to weed out the troublemakers, and cultivate a new relationship with the farm workers. If we would all stop being mule-headed, we could patch up this mess. Grow up America.

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So these “African-American” probationers just don’t have the work ethic of the illegals. Are we honestly supposed to be suprised by this?

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“You keep propping up this loser class and calling them “less fortunate” while they suck this nation dry.”

One thing the “all those on welfare are losers and are ruining our nation” camp does not seem to understand is that it actually helps our economy — yes, even the private sector part of it — to help them out financially. How you say? They SPEND I would wager 100% of what they get back into the economy for things like food, clothes, utilities, etc. It’s not like they are investing it in Southern Company stock or socking it away in trust funds for their kids. If we yank these measley checks away from them, we’d still have to spend money on them either by incarcerating them when they steal things, or by scraping their bodies up off the street when they die in a cardboard box under the bridge.

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Fletch

“11.4 million in subsidies? How about paying wages that make it worth the time and effort to do the job. Could probably include bonuses as well. Or, keep complaining that we just can’t function without an undocumented workforce.”

Fletch, Good point, how much could the farmer have paid his workers if the subsidy was split up among his workers?.
The farmer would probably find another job.

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Bosch

June 22nd, 2011
9:03 am

“You keep propping up this loser class and calling them “less fortunate” while they suck this nation dry.”

One thing the “all those on welfare are losers and are ruining our nation” camp does not seem to understand is that it actually helps our economy — yes, even the private sector part of it — to help them out financially. How you say? They SPEND I would wager 100% of what they get back into the economy for things like food, clothes, utilities, etc. It’s not like they are investing it in Southern Company stock or socking it away in trust funds for their kids. If we yank these measley checks away from them, we’d still have to spend money on them either by incarcerating them when they steal things, or by scraping their bodies up off the street when they die in a cardboard box under the bridge.

Bosch, one of the few times that I agree with you.

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Finn – “Yeah, Fletch, perhaps if the farm paid a decent wage with benefits, we wouldn’t be having this discussion??”

Not sure, I’m only speaking from experience. All of our employees at both beef outfits make pretty good money, and we provide full benefits for them. Ranch work is inherently dangerous, dirty work that invloves long hours and requires working in extreme weather (sometimes it’s 20 degrees BELOW 0). It’s just good business sense to take care of your employees.

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carlos,

Are you just assuming them to be black? No where in the article does it mention that.

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Dang Jay, what kind of Coke can I get ya’?

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By law, each worker must earn minimum wage, or $7.25 an hour. But there’s an incentive system. Harvesters get a green ticket worth 50 cents every time they dump a bucket of cucumbers. If they collect more than 15 tickets an hour, they can beat minimum wage.

Jose Ranye, 37, bragged he’s the best picker in Americus, the largest community near the farm. His whirling hands filled one bucket in 25 seconds. He said he dumped about 200 buckets of cucumbers before lunch, meaning he earned roughly $20 an hour.

$20.00 an hour if ‘ya hump to dump!!??!!

YOU GO, JOSE!!!!

Heck! I don’t make $20.00 an hour now. Didn’t make $20.00 an hour when I was crating apricots in California. I hate apricots…not because I worked with ‘em…they’re fuzzy little fruits.

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poison pen,

Well miracles do happen, it’s amazing to me that people just think these people will vanish.

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Bring ‘em all back, make them legal, and put them to work. To appease the GOP, divide them in half and make one half Democrat and one half Republicans…

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Jay ,After reading Carlos post, now you know why some people on here call other people stupid.

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What exactly is a probationer?

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Brosephus

And what does their race have to do with anything carlos? I don’t recall any stampede of Caucasian-Americans to the fields either. I figured it wouldn’t take long before race was interjected, and some of you so called conservatives never fail your duty to use it.

Bro, Please don’t put Carlos into the cons pot, he rants against big business all the time, if anything he is a lib.

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Bosch, very true.

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K71 — A probationer is a person who has been sentenced for a legal violation to report periodically to a probation officer.

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A probationer can also be let out of prison and put on probation to make sure they stay within the law.

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“There is no pathway, Peadawg.” – There’s no pathway? Really? REALLY? If there’s no pathway, then how do people from other countries become citizens currently? Is there not a process in place for them to become a citizen? Stoopid comment, Jay.

“And when have you heard me complain about it? Documenting its impacts does not equate to complaining.” – When you write 1-2 columns a week about the impacts…it sounds like complaining.

“Amnesty? Yes, Peadawg. That’s what I’m saying. You’re right about that much.” – Then why do you always sugar coat it by saying “a pathway to legal status”? We all know what you mean.

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BlahBlahBlah, I have also stated this several times on this blog, it’s the only way to solve this problem.

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Jay, actually they may have served some time or been incarcerated while awaiting trial which may be “time served.” Also not all have been convicted. There are plea programs where the alleged matter is such that rather than fight the matter, the jurisdiction and the alleged violator agree that if the alleged violator keeps their nose clean during probation, the charges will be dropped and no record made. A little different from a first offender.

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So the illegal immigrant(slave labor) employment pool will dry up. Seems there will be a need for more ingenious farmers who can learn how to be more efficient with fewer employers or ones who can be creative in how to keep their costs down so they can afford higher wages to hire more employers…I wouldn’t hold our breath, but who knows? We may just find our next “Eli Whitney” with the passage of this bill.

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Why should they work when you are going to give them everything they want???????????????????????

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It’s assumed the probationers were without employment or else would not have tried field work. It is further assumed that without employment they are receiving unemployment checks or other forms of government assistance. Since they have refused to be employed, will the assistance stop? No. Therein lies the problem. A system where you will still eat without working.

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“We may just find our next “Eli Whitney” with the passage of this bill”

Eli Whitney was a fraud.

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When ol’ Gub’ner Deal becomes a probationer himself, he can use his Diamond SkyMiles Status to tie a bunch of turnips to the tail end of a Delta 747, and then pop them all out of the ground pretty quick, I’d imagine, depending on the strength of the twine he uses.

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You stupid people keep falling in the same trap, YOU keep calling them illegal immigrants. They have no intention of being immigrants. They are illegal aliens!!!!!!!

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“if you really think me having to work for the money some lazy do-nothing parasite has to spend is a good thing, you are a complete idiot. ”

Well good, I’m not an idiot because I don’t think it’s a good thing, I think it’s a necessary thing though. And like I wrote, we will wind up spending money on them one way or another, so why not do it in a way that helps the economy.

And no RB, I will be voting until my cold dead fingers can no longer push the buttons. Why do you hate democracy?

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BlahBlahBlah:

Problem solved.

Absolutely! That’s the way it was done California during my fruit picking days.

Bottom line?

Everybody who works picking produce eventually turns brown, or eventually black…in my case. From white…to brown…to black. Back to white during the winter months. I s’pose some folks go thru the red stage.

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This is really kind of funny…and, yep, it’s panning out just about as he and anybody else who could see beyond their spiteful noses would have “predicted.” And the posts here show that slapped upside the head with the reality of unintended consequences, there’s that lot who just can’t let go of their prejudices, biases, bigotries and what have you. This is what happens when you go feel-good and quick fix…

Now, I have a question…if the Messicans and company are the ones committing all those crimes and filling up our jails…you mean the probationers weren’t latino? They’re all African Americans…eh? Sounds like a case of racial preference here to me…

Oh, @@, you leave the fuzzy little fruits out of this! ISH

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Well, no wonder it never worked. You got to set the right work conditions—spread the word to these people on probation that each cucumber will bring 5 bucks on the black market, sort of the way crooks are able to sell copper wiring in air conditioning. I bet them cucumbers would all be gone in two hrs.

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Oh goody RB is here……..again!!! Why RB you are a very faithful, (if not somewhat scary), beau. RB don’t give up hope, if you keep stalking……..ummm………faithfully following JB around it may very well pay off (it might not, but give it the old college try anyway!).

carlosgov: So these “African-American” probationers just don’t have the work ethic of the illegals. Are we honestly supposed to be suprised by this?

why do you think they’re all A.A’s there carlos? I’m waiting with bated breath for your answer.

Thomas: Shocking, really shocking, that they left? I would suggest a call to Captain of Cool Hand Luke fame

What we have here is a failure to communicate……….

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I was in charge of handling field crews picking beans in the 80’s. We couldn’t get the blacks to work in the heat. Somehow they equated work with slavery and all they wanted to do was drink water and sit in the shade. At least hispanics have a work ethic–something most blacks don’t have.

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And why are they allowed to quit?

“What we got here is, failure to communicate.”

You quit? Another 30 days of probabtion… see ya tomorrow.

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I still think it shows the pathetic state of our society – here we have over 10% unemployment, and then at the same time these agribusinesses are looking for thousands of workers. The American work ethic has gone to pot…we have become a nation of silver-spooners, even down to the most impoverished. They feel that this work is “beneath them”.

A few years back when I was unemployed, I would have at least tried this work. Would it have sucked? Yeah, of course. Would I have done well? Probably not. But it does pay, and pays decent. My only opportunity was to take a minimum wage job at a hardware store. Guess what? I did it! Rather than just sit at home and feel sorry for myself, I went out and did what I could. At the same time I was working a second job delivering pizzas, and a third as a vacation property inspector. Hence, I have very little sympathy for the probationers. They made stupid decisions, and should have to live with the consequences. A bit of hard work would do them some good.

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jconservative, josef, and ty,

I’ve never pulled corn off the stalk, but I sure have shucked hundreds of bushels of it, and beans too — that’s about the only time I got to talk to my grandma in the summer time.

Can I comment?

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Ok Jay let’s put probationers working in construction where I saw plenty of illegals working making $15 an hour. But that is another subject. Now let me get this straight. These probationers were people who have displayed behavior to take the easy way out or most profit for the least effort–right? Now you give them a real job and they took off. Who gave them the authority to take off? Should they go directly to jail? I bet most have child support payments. They can simply walk off the job? The is a poor effort to work people and a typical example of a liberal to promote their ideology from half-truths. I am not falling for this garbage.

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Dave R.

June 22nd, 2011
9:04 am
“Less fortunate = criminals? Huh, Dave R?”

Uh, Finn? Don’t drag me into your tiff with RB, OK?

What IS it with you libs and your crush on me?

Brother Dave R, Libs think all conservatives look alike.

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“… I sure have shucked hundreds of bushels of it, and beans too — that’s about the only time I got to talk to my grandma in the summer time.”

Bosch,
yeah, me too…Brings back memories. Good times!

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“we will wind up spending money on them one way or another, ”

Why do you feel this society owes these people something? As long as people just like you keep making excuses for them and going to bat for the at the polls, they are going to keep scamming the system to skate through life sucking from the public till while you fleece the rest of us to pay for it. How about you stop caring about them with other people’s money and start caring about them with your money.

You don’t really care that much about them, do you!!!

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Mendez put the probationers to the test last Wednesday, assigning them to fill one truck and a Latino crew to a second truck. The Latinos picked six truckloads of cucumbers compared to one truckload and four bins for the probationers.

Hm. Isn’t this racial profiling?

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I just bagged corn, squash, peas, and okra. I will soon have tomatoes. Of course I am just southern white trash.

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Well, I got a better use for the trucks. Let’s just say it involves hauling and dumping at the Mexican border.

Have a good hump day everybody.

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Maybe we should send one probationer to Mexico for each illegal immigrant. Sounds like a great trade for us.

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Nathan’s “DEALS”!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in affect!

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What a country we have developed….I can mooch off the government so why should I have to work to eat…perhaps we let them starve and see if their attitude changes…To all those who love Barry and the wonderful Federal Government..enjoy what you have sewn.

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Why pick cucumbers when you can collect welfare and sit on your @$$?

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Jay,
Fascinating, not to mention amusing, to watch the Right trip over themselves and their policies. I’d still be willing to bet that most of the farmers complaining about a shortage of labor, resulting from the newly enacted immigration legislation, voted for, contributed to and have farms in counties controlled by Republicans. The narrow-minded, bigoted voters who voted Republican should have nothing to complain about, since Deal and the Republicans are doing what they asked for. The only people I feel sorry in all this are the immigrants seeking a better life for themselves and their families.
P.S.
“U-Pic” might make a comeback, with farmers and bigots doing some of the picking, that is if they want GA produce to sell and consume.

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“I can mooch off the government so why should I have to work to eat”

cosby,

You too might benefit from reading the eligibility requirements for many of the State’s welfare programs.

http://team.georgia.gov/portal/site/DHS-DFCS/menuitem.5d32235bb09bde9a50c8798dd03036a0/?vgnextoid=2bea2b48d9a4ff00VgnVCM100000bf01010aRCRD

You might want to pay special attention to the section on “lifetime limits” and “work requirements”

But by all means, if you want to remain ignorant and just bash people for no damn good reason just to make yourself feel good and blame someone for what you perceive to be a grave injustice, or to pass judgment upon people who are of no consequence to you, then by all means. It’s a free country.

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I can just picture these “probationers.” Out of shape, fat, guts hanging over their belts, etc. Yes, its hot, but why not use this time to get yourself in shape, lose weight and take off those excess inches that double as a spare tire around your waist…Plus, where were the deputy’s with their shot guns ready to fire if they tried to escape. Oh, I guess there weren’t actual prisoners…maybe they should be the ones doing the harvesting then.

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The short term outcome was predictable. In a year from now I want the reporters at the AJC to analyze what this law has cost or saved the State of Georgia. It is supposed to save the State $billions in health and human services. Let’s see about that. Hall County was one of the first in Georgia to crack down on illegal immigrants. Right now their financial situation is so bad that many of their people are begging their county commissioners to raise their taxes.

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Thanks josef! It’s kind of nerve racking and I’ll be working my ass off, but it’ll be fun. I’m excited.

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The Latinos picked six truckloads of cucumbers compared to one truckload and four bins for the probationers.

My vote goes to work ethic; not work ethnic. If the probationers were hard workers willing to suck it up during tough times they probbaly could have avoided probation in the first place.

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benefits for people who pick fruit? what? do people want to do this for a career? jeez, this is a young persons game. the smart ones that get older move out of the fields and into the chicken plants, carpet mills, hospitality, etc. i will bet most of these probationers havent worked a day in their life. another solution that is a good idea in theory, but gets zero results. $20 an hour is pretty good money for someone with a 3rd grade education.

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So Garth, you know most blacks to make a statement “most blacks don’t have the work ethnic”…

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I’m just curious, certainly the United States is not the only Agro/Industrial nation in the world. How do the other countries get by without the benefit of the undocumented worker?

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If “they ain’t with it”, maybe they should be without eating, too. Any of these “probationers” that may be on some form of public assistance should be kicked off.

I guess they’d rather steal and deal drugs rather than work a real job. Kyle’s column today seems to cover that well.

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Why pick cucumbers when you can collect welfare and sit on your @$$?

I picked cucumbers last night before sitting on mine. No welfare check came yesterday and none are expected today. I do expect some maters soon.

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My only opportunity was to take a minimum wage job at a hardware store. Guess what? I did it!

In the Air Conditioned Building!!! Way to GO!!! That’s some comparison — air conditioning / hot georgia sun / work ethics! You sir, are a great american!!!!!

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FLETCH

Other developed countries with a strong agricultural base have in place programs to provide for itinerant, seasonal labor.

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They can always use free prison inmate labor.

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OFF TOPIC: I laughed out loud for real when I read the counts of different ridiculous claims about the president, including memes/claims-that-don’t-change-anything (the 57 state thing and the teleprompter thing, for example)

I am still surprised that 57 states is only at 150, and teleprompter was at 1,074.

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Nice to see all the usual racists interjecting their intelligent ideas into the blog. The day would not be complete without their usual input. This is a right to work state. The probationers have the right to work or not to work. So some choose not to work. So what. You folks wanted to take your state back and this is the beginning of taking it back. To be honest, blacks have already contributed enough free labor to this state. Maybe some of you other folks need to get out there and help your state in it’s time of need.

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Chinese manufacturing workers now earn an average of only $1.36 per hour. In relative terms, Chinese hourly labour compensation costs in 2008 are roughly 4 per cent of those in the United States. They even remain considerably below those in Mexico.

If Chinese workers are finding their manufacturing jobs disappearing and their compensation limited, no wonder that workers in other countries are facing serious challenges.

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Problem is, when these “currently illegal workers” become American citizens, they won’t do this kind of work, either. .just like the rest of us. I grew up on a farm, doing this kind of labor for room and board. .but I wouldn’t do it now.

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ty webb: What Jay really means is a “pathway to voter registration”.

Ah, the truth comes out. Cons want to keep illegal immigrants illegal because otherwise they would be able to vote!

Why don’t you just pass a ridiculous voter ID law instead.

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uh oh, RB is now stalking Bosch!! Do you find Bosch MORE attractive than JB or are you just interested in men who aren’t interested in you? You devil you!

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I believe some reference to working for one’s sustenance can be found in Genesis, maybe 3:19.

But for those with no use for scripture, isn’t is just common sense that if one is able, one should work to provide for one’s self and family? When did it become okay to survive off your neighbor’s labor just because you didn’t particularly like the job available to you at the moment?

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As with any job there is a learning curve. It sounds like the farmer’s union wants the probationers to fail. They complain that no one wants the jobs that illegals have been doing. When the probationers were hired by the farmers were they given any advice on how to handle the heat? It takes a little time to learn the tricks of the trade. One needs loose clothing, gloves, hats etc. If you were raised in urban America you may not know how to handle this type of work. How to bend and lift so that you don’t damage your back. The wage sounds right, after all how much schooling or training does it take to pick produce? But, at the same time some training is needed in order to be effective. I think the farmers need to move out of their comfort zone and think outside the box. This season may be difficult but if they were hiring legals all along than they wouldn’t be in this pickle. It isn’t like they woke up one morning and realized hey my cucmbers need to be picked. I remember my cousins in north alabama, in the day, telling me they were let out of school during the potatoe picking season and were able to earn wages on temp jobs.
I think these are jobs which people would like to take but they don’t know how to get the jobs or what is needed to do the jobs. A little bit of thinking and marketing could get the farmers pickers to do the work. Instead of complaining that there isn’t anyone out there to do the work put a team together and find legals to do the work.

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“Who the hell gave you the right to speak for all the people who receive some assistance, and where did you receive such omnipotent powers?”

I paid for that right, Bosch. I pay for it every day I go to work so these lazy good for nothing parasites can walk off the job and go scam the system out of more tax dollars.

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Bosch: And hell, I’ve posted it like six times already, all they have to do is freaking read!

To read is to understand. To understand is to learn. There’s your problem right there.

Perhaps if you could draw pictures, or probably say something like “The Great Saint Ronald Of Reagan….” then slip an informative link in there and actually TRICK them into reading, maybe that would work.

But then again, perhaps you should stick to the pictures.

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Truth
June 22nd, 2011
9:27 am
You stupid people keep falling in the same trap, YOU keep calling them illegal immigrants. They have no intention of being immigrants. They are illegal aliens!!!!!!!

Maybe you should actually read the Immigration and Nationality Act and understand what it says before calling somebody stupid. According to the law, any alien seeking admission into the US is considered to be an intended immigrant until proven otherwise. People who cross the border illegally are considered as entering without inspection ad they have not been inspected by immigration officers. Therefore, they are still considered intended immigrants until they prove otherwise.

When you use the term “illegal”, there are many different ways that immigrants and non-immigrants can become “illegal”. Maybe you’re the stupid one who needs to study something before making assinine statements.

A bunch of convicted criminals are let loose on some Democrat contributors farm on one of these really hot days to pick cucumbers. They are then compared with a bunch of Mexicans who are doing the same thing to see how productive they are. Most anyone would know that a bunch of crack dealers would rather sell their product or collect a government check than pick cucumbers. This comparison was doomed from the start.

And the shark jumping continues……

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RB: For the most part, these people thumbed their noses at the free education they were provided, don’t have the skills to do anything more than manual labor jobs, and refuse to do actual work

Proof please

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“I pay for it every day I go to work so these lazy good for nothing parasites can walk off the job and go scam the system out of more tax dollars.”

And yet, RB has never expressed his outrage at those who get subsidies — which, dollar for dollar, is so much more.

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josef – “Other developed countries with a strong agricultural base have in place programs to provide for itinerant, seasonal labor.’

Precisely! As I posted earlier, we pay our people pretty well, and we cover 100% of their medical benefits. I personally think that anyone who works in Agriculture, be it farming ranching, picking , herding, etc… should have a full medical program provided by the employer as well as Workers Compensation. I’m not advocating “forced” coverage, but outdoor work is considerably more risky than sitting in the office. As such, employers who engage in Agri businesses, should be more than willing to take care of their employees.

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Adam @ 10:32

It’s called willful ignorance and some kind of mental disorder where they can not have their ideas of beliefs challenged because then they have to come up with someone else to blame for what they consider such grave injustices — and it pisses them off.

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getalife

They can always reverse child labor laws like that con in Maine and use the kids as slaves.

con utopia.

Getalife, Which one would that be? I looked into Main and the people that I read about honestly seem like Libs. In fact most of these states have people who have done that and they all seem to be libs.

You know, the type that don’t work and scam the system of everything.

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Bada Bing: “…no one is gonna work hard for peanuts. ” Lots of Americans do it every day, all day. That’s what happens when minimum wage stays the same for eight years, while everything else gets more expensive.

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RB,

Here, I’ll make it simple for you, now you don’t even have to freaking click on the link:

Lifetime Limits: Receipt of cash assistance is limited to 48 months in a lifetime. The limit may be extended if it is determined that an extension is justified due to certain hardships, including domestic violence and physical or mental incapacity.

Work Requirement: All adult recipients have a work requirement, and are required to participate in work activities and training for at least 30 hours weekly. These work activities help recipients gain the experience needed to find a job and become self-sufficient.

But I encourage you to do so as you’ll find much more information about each program. Those particular requirements are for TANF money, which is generally the “welfare” folks like you are always so enraged about and genralize about.

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Kids should work at a younger age because otherwise they are socialist freeloaders and don’t appreciate the value of a dollar. Am I right, cons?

Oh, how about making them do all the work to clean the house while you sit on your butt watching TV, and they get an allowance for it! Capitalism at work, right cons?

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poison: RB is referring to people on welfare, not people on probation. I want proof that they, for the most part:

1) thumbed their noses at the free education they were provided
2) don’t have the skills to do anything more than manual labor jobs, and
3) refuse to do actual work

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Peter

“Well the farmers got a lousy “Deal”…….the Republican’s screw things up constantly……maybe the Republican’s will go out and work the fields like an immigrant does.”
In the mean time the Republican’s will give away free money to the farmers as well !

Peter, Just to clue you in, A Democrat has been President for a couple of years now and he is still giving away money. The money isn’t free either it comes from our hard earned tax dollars, something the libs can’t understand. DUH!

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Adam, I stand corrected.

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poison,

“A Democrat has been President for a couple of years now and he is still giving away money. ”

I’m not sure if the “giving away money” is still true (I’m assuming you were referring to the stimulus), however, the GOP governors were certainly eager to get it!

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At $7.50 per hour it is ridiculous, I probably would just go through the motions too. Let’s see how motivated they would be at $12-13 per hour? Those farm owners must be making a fortune using slave wages on the workers( Illegal or not)! I am a retired independent conservative and I don’t like the way the workers are being treated!

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Maybe their work ethic is why they are probationers n the first place…….

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Obama Gets 30% of Americans Certain to Support Re-Election in Economy Poll
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-22/obama-gets-30-of-americans-certain-to-support-re-election-in-economy-poll.html

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I read this:

“But for those with no use for scripture, isn’t is just common sense that if one is able, one should work to provide for one’s self and family? When did it become okay to survive off your neighbor’s labor just because you didn’t particularly like the job available to you at the moment?”

And I thought of Fukushima….then of our own possible problems at the Fort Calhoun plant….

Are those jobs that would be acceptable to walk away from?

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Sounds like these farmers are digging their heels into their drought ridden soil – they don’t want this to work. Even the media seems to be cherry-picking (pun intended) waht they put into these stories.

Illegal aliens have been putting on this type of Academy Award winning performance for years, and it seems their PR folks and worshipping audience are cheering them on to the bitter end!

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Bosch, I was referring to subsidies, as Peter was trying to say that only Repubs gave away free money.

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(pun intended and called for) You are comparing apples and oranges J. Criminals won’t work? Trash in > Trash out. Americans will work in hot, dirty conditions. The churches send missionaries, all ages, to C America and S America to build churches, hospitals, and schools. Hotter than S GA, dirty and squalid, insect infested, and diseased. They do it for FREE. The farmers aren’t going to get work out of scum.

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Are those jobs that would be acceptable to walk away from?

Yep; on your way to the cucumber or cotton fields until a better opportunity presented itself.

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So, just who are these illegal aliens? Some would maintain it’s anybody who can’d produce a pureblood CDIB card…anybody here got one?

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Bye for now. Off to earn some money so the probationers can eat.

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ty webb: just stick to calling people racist and blaming Fox news

Now where did I say that?

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Oh, wait, I guess that isn’t the only thing I got out of the article. The other is that people that were arrested, and convicted for crimes aren’t willing to work hard. Who would have ever thought that criminals, many of whom were probably in jail for burglary, theft and things like that wouldn’t have a strong work ethic? I know this has been said before, but come on, really? They’re criminals probably because they are too lazy to do the work in the first place.

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Pettifogger,

I like it! Let’s proceed.

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Bosch

Can I have that link dedicated to me? I don’t wanna feel left out.

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We can make the illegals legal with a simple guest worker program.

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An ATL bank had a shortage of tellers and loan officers. They brought in a busload of migrant farm workers to fill in. The experiment went nowhere, as the migrants soon grew tired of ‘crunching numbers’. One American teller was able to assist 10 customers, while the migrants could only process 1 or 2. The migrants were not able to add fast enough, and were not trained on complicated equipment, like a handheld, solar powered calculator. (For you greenies, did I mention it was solar powered?). They all walked off in disgust and were later found at a 7-11 eating 3 day old burritos. You just can’t find good help these days.

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Bro,

But you don’t jump to ignorant conclusions and make broad based statements and judge people who are of no consequence to you in a vain attempt to place blame on what they consider grave injustices!!! OR do you?

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Fletch – I grew up on a small farm in NW GA that had some raspberries on it. My parents used that as punishment for my sister and I. Along with weeding them, and picking and weeding the blueberries.

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Fletch,

I stole the idea from California.

I saw it there too.

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Why don’t we arrest all the illegal immigrants, and put them in jail. Let them out on probation, and…………………….do you see where I am going with this?

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Fletch — “People would come from different states just to “experience” the raspberry harvest. I remember meeting a couple from Germany one year who thought it was the coolest thing ever.”

German folks really dig social outdoor activities like volksmarches and that sort of thing. I can totally see how they’d be interested in a pick-your-own farm and its produce.

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Bro,

Yeah, me too, fer rizzle.

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@(ir)Ratonal $7.25 is no money to out picking in 100 degree weather no matter what anyone says. This work as all have said is hard as he**. Farms are making good money off the sweat of the ppl that are out there picking everyday. Maybe if they should paid more then maybe they would attract harder, better and determined workers.

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late to this, but is anyone flashing back to the old Folger’s Chrystals commercials?

as in, “We’ve secretly replaced Latino immigrants with born-and-bred Georgia probationers…”

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Joe Mama – “German folks really dig social outdoor activities like volksmarches and that sort of thing. I can totally see how they’d be interested in a pick-your-own farm and its produce.”

So true, the Germans are a very industrious people as well. I remember them telling me what an ingenius idea they thought it was on the farmers part to have workers come and actually pay him for the privilige of harvesting his crop. Plus, he didn’t have to spend much money to get the crop to market, because the market came to him.

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late to this, but is anyone flashing back to the old Folger’s Chrystals commercials?

No, but I certainly am now.

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@The Pettifoggers’ Pettifog go back and read his comment then I will.

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6 strong – If you read the article, you only make that little if you don’t pick very quickly. If each bucket of cucumbers is worth $0.50 to the farmer, and they have to pay me $7.25 an hour to pick these buckets, I have to pick 14.5 buckets of cucumbers an hour to earn that $7.25 an hour. Anything over that 14.5 buckets raises my wage. Seems that the harder I work, the more I get paid. Is that not fair because it creates a wage difference between me and the guy that sits on his bucket most of the time and doesn’t pick as much or what? Why should the farmer be forced to pay his workers more than they are worth to him?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIfu2A0ezq0

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Why don’t we swap Mexico, tit-for-tat, some migrant workers for GA criminals?

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Hi Kam – it looks like your boys in blue have a new manager!

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USinUK

Hadn’t heard that yet — be right back!

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“Good job Governor Deal. Thanks for wrecking our number one industry for our state…”

Illegal aliens are now an industry? Out of the mouths of liberals!

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@(ir)Rational I think ur missing the point I’m making. I can not see anyone that is coming straight off the street with no experience with picking fruits and vegs being able to keep up with someone that has been doing this kind of work for yrs. And for someone to think that this can happen is crazy. And once again $7.25 is nothing. There is nothing wrong with working hard, but working for almost nothing is another story.

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dorae: I usually review the ajc on line daily. I haven’t seen any articles or ads of farmers looking for workers.

The bulk of Georgia farmland is below Macon. No reason for them to advertise in Atlanta.

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Palin quit her bus tour when it was only half-over.

My goodness the jokes just write themselves with her.

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And I guess this latest post is about the rotten employment situation in the USA as well.

But you’re right, guys. Jay just won’t touch that there topic with a ten-foot cucumber.

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6 Strong, The AJC printed an article a few weeks ago about Georgia farmers paying their workers $12.00 an hour.

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6 strong,

That is minimum wage. And it is enough for the illegal immigrants who come and have no benefits. You can argue they pay no income taxes either, but in the end neither will someone who makes minimum wage, they will get it all back.

What is broken is the American work ethic, plain and simple. It is a symptom of over-entitlement. Some of us are still willing to step up and do what we don’t want to, if that is what is needed (as I mentioned in an earlier post), but those of us willing to do that are a shrinking number, as evidenced by the lack of field workers in south Georgia.

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Wait – Kam, you’re a Chelsea fan? I knew there was a reason besides your politics that we couldn’t get along.

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USinUK, I’m saying that in Mich, during the season for a perticular crop, a lot of farmers open their fields so people can pick their own produce.

I know it’s hard to believe but they really do have supermarkets there also.

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USinUK

Whew!

My concern was that “the special one” was returning to The Bridge.

Don’t know if this youngster will survive the trigger finger of Blues owner RA.

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6Strong, I agree, Who would want to work that hard for $7 or $8 bucks an hour.

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Okay…
I’m unemployed and have three kids and an unemployed wife…I want to work and am in pretty good physical shape…I live here in Atlanta…I’ll take that job…where do I sleep? Where do I eat? At $7.50 an hour (or even if I am able to get to that $15-$20 “good money” level due to my industriousness and dedication to hard work) figure how much it’s going to cost to keep my family here in Atlanta off welfare and pay for my own rent and board down there, too…

Well…?

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6 strong – I think you’re missing the point, why should I pay you more than you’re worth to me to do the job I’ve hired you to do? It isn’t my responsibility as your employer to provide you with everything you need from the gloves you should wear to the bed you sleep in and the roof over your head, it is your responsibility. If you can’t do that off the wage I provide at minimum, then either learn to work harder or find another job. Simple as that.

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poison – so, folks who live nowhere near a farm should have to schlep god-only-knows how many miles out to a PYO to buy their fruit and veg.

yeah. that’ll work.

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Watch yourself Kam, that just might cause a fight, I’m a Gooner (Arsenal fan for those of you that don’t know). Also, I’m a big fan of Barcelona, but only because Messi plays there – I have a man crush on him because he is so awesome.

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The result will be higher food prices. Which is why we have the illegals here in the first place (see history books on slavery). So, let’s just suck it up and pay the higher food prices. The positive is all those “free” benefits that the right wing claims the illegals are getting from us taxpayers. What? You don’t get something for nothing do you?

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6 strong – Minimum wage is what the government has decided you can live off of. Are you saying the government is wrong? And if I have a family to provide for, I’ll find a way, even if I can only earn minimum wage, and I bet the farmers wouldn’t object to hiring the wives/baby mommas of these guys if they wanted to work too.

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What is broken is the American work ethic

Is anyone else sick of hearing that crap ^^^ too? Americans work longer hours than anyone else in the world, (besides the Chineese), per capita for LESS wages, vacation time, AND Holidays!! One-third of our entire paycheck goes toward Medical/Dental/Vision “Benefits”; while the rest of the world, (Even China), have FREE healthcare!

But our work ethics sucks? Whaddaya want us to do — PAY employers to work for them? Jeesh!

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HMMM, these same criminals wouldn’t do construction, or yards, dig ditches, bag groceries, or any other kind of work either. Maybe we need a better class of criminals.

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Bada — “Maybe we need a better class of criminals.”

May I recommend some Wall Street investment bankers?

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I love how they left out the Labors had gloves yet the probationers did not have any. And that he cucumbers have thorns on their vines. Way to hide the facts. I wonder if they have a record of how many labors quite on the first day? Yeah do not let those facts get in the way of a good story.

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USinUK – everybody needs one, and I guess if you join him on the dark side, they’ll have two.

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josef…… I am moved my your life story. Do you need a couple bucks? I would be glad to help out old friend. Didn’t know you were married, I am confused.

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Editor

June 22nd, 2011
11:32 am
Most Americans know what they are asking for like always, currently they don’t experience any backlash on this. BUT as soon as produce and produce prices sky rocket then Liberals will cry to the government how bad they have it.

And the dummy’s in government will implement a food subsidy program, hire 100,000 new federal workers and claim a tax increase will be needed to fund the unfortunates new benefit. And the liberals on this post will hail the generosity of government. It’s another ground hog day program.

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(ir)Rational yes i’m saying they are wrong. Everything is going up except pay. And yes ur right about doing what u have to do to take care of ur family. I use to work 2 jobs and one of them was with the government and the other was just for extra money to make sure my kids had what I felt they needed. I had no problem with doing that for my family. But for someone to say that $7.25 is enough to support themselves with a family is crazy no matter if the government or someeone else is saying it ITS NO MONEY!!

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deegee – The farmers should probably also feed, clothe, provide shelter for, provide a car for, set up a movie theater every night for entertainment, provide beer and cigarettes, and healthcare for the workers and their families. Oh, and then not expect them to work more than two hours a day. That’ll make the libs happy.

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josef@ 11:39 – If “some” people on this blog won’t even READ links with informative information, you honestly think they’re gonna waste their wee little brain cells to do Math?!? HA!

“I got no time for the jibba-jabba. I pity the fool who jibba jabbas!” — Mr. T

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Mighty Righty — “BUT as soon as produce and produce prices sky rocket then Liberals will cry to the government how bad they have it.”

Kind of like how business pees and moans about how bad they collectively have it whenever the minimum wage goes up.

Even though there’s no empirical evidence that minimum wage increases do any harm whatsoever to employment.

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BADA

Ain’t I just pee-tee-ful?

Not married, just living in sin until we can repeal DOMA! And believe me, that was hypothetical…I won’t even consider getting off my sorry, low-down, goood-for-nothing high-white a33 and go mow the yard…much less go below the gnat line and pick cucumbers…

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@USinUK lol read some of (ir)Rational post directed toward me.

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USinUK – 11:52 – maybe.

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Of course, it is the raise on the minimum wage’s fault

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Obama Gets 30% of Americans Certain to Support Re-Election in Economy Poll

More bad news for the Bamster!

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I inherited this mess form the previous administration. It going to take time to undo all the damage done by the workers before me.

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I have an idea. Lets just set up some internment camps for the 11 or so million immigrants, then we can implement a re-education system so we can indoctrinate the alien mass thus bringing them further into the American mainstream.

Realistically you’re never going to remove that number of people from the country without a progam that allows wholesale round ups akin to the violation of the Japanese here during WWII.

These states who have put these laws on the books are no doubt voicing the concerns of some of it’s citizens but this approach is sorely misplaced. There will have to be some sort of amnesty given to keep the people from hiding and moving from place to place in order to avoid the laws.

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AmVet

June 22nd, 2011
11:59 am

blacks are lazy

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willie lynch

June 22nd, 2011
12:01 pm

There will have to be some sort of amnesty given

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According to Jay and Granny we should open the borders and provide free health care for the world, housing for everyone and of course jobs. No mention of how to pay for all of the give away programs.

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That’s why I didn’t mention that part. I saw plenty in the early part of the comments that were suggesting that it was because blacks were lazy. I’m suggesting that it is because criminals are lazy, and arguing that is why they became criminals in the first place.

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Off topic, but does the fact that I’ve seen links to some story about a “Casey Anthony trial” on my news.google page for what seems like a month now, but never gave a crap and thus never clicked it, make me a bad person?

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Is there a difference between sending jobs overseas and filling jobs with illegals? I thought Democrats were opposed to sending jobs overseas? Now, they complain that we should let illegals work here?

Hmmmm…..

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SFD
I’m avoiding that one myself…have we really become such a nation of ghouls?

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stands – No, I think it is fine. Especially considering how sick it is that criminals are turned into celebrities so much here.

WOODSTOCK – You’re making too much sense, expect to get attacked for that.

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No workers is anti business, anti capitalist and horrible for the economy.

The gop should be called out on their position.

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willie lynch — “Realistically you’re never going to remove that number of people from the country without a progam that allows wholesale round ups akin to the violation of the Japanese here during WWII.”

Please don’t give them any ideas.

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There is always a fool in here that gets off the point and says something that is full of sh**.”

You mean … Kamchak, AmVet, deegee (unemployed liberals that are available to pick ____ ! )

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Man finds his way to free healthcare

Now, if only this were provided to all people AHEAD of time.

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“akin to the violation of the Japanese here during WWII.”

And the na zis

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Making illegal aliens who are already here into legal immigrants without deporting them first is a good idea. The only reason to oppose such an idea is misinformation about the population in question, usually advanced first by bigots and perpetuated by either more bigots or simply clueless, mindless, dittohead individuals.

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Normal

“Normal

June 22nd, 2011
9:09 am
“Bring ‘em all back, make them legal, and put them to work” Of course …we are all one on this planet!! Taking most of us forever to figure this out!!

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“Off topic, but does the fact that I’ve seen links to some story about a “Casey Anthony trial” on my news.google page for what seems like a month now, but never gave a crap and thus never clicked it, make me a bad person?”

Yes, because you care more about illegal aliens and their “rights” than a dead US citizen!

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“Do you think illegals should be able to work here?”

Of course not.

Why would you even ask me such a nonsensical question?

So now it’s your turn to answer a simple question.

2nd request – Would you be so kind as to show where “they” said this, mike?

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W. Lynch, Joe Mama, getalife

Paging Andy Jackson…

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“I keep asking this question of the round ‘em up and ship ‘em backers: How much are you willing to spend — on a per head basis — to accomplish this task?

So far the only answer I have received is “however much it takes.””

good grief. sounds a lot like their plans to balance the budget, too

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MIKE — “what is the difference between sending jobs overseas to foreigners and having illegal foreigners working jobs here in the USA?”

You could pass legislation that regularizes the status of the US-employed illegals and have them pay taxes, consequently, the US would receive revenue from that, whereas the US won’t receive any individual or corporate tax revenue when American jobs go overseas.

Pretty simple thing, actually.

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“So far the only answer I have received is “however much it takes.”

Until it comes time to actually raise those taxes, then it’s “Taxed Enough Already”

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it’s a blog. get over yourself.

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(ir), exactly.

I’m sure lots of criminals – both street and white-collar – were damn hard workers before they turned to the dark side.

BUT, this entire topic is exactly as I predicted days ago.

No matter if it is probationers or dumb mystery meat bloggers in the suburbs, I said they wouldn’t last one day in those fields.

I know of what I speak. (And now that I’m an older dog, I too wouldn’t last very long.)

But I know first hand what it is like to bust your ass day in and day out in a farming community. And that’s why I know that soft city-slickers who think they are above manual labor couldn’t pull their excess weight if their lives depended on it…

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@willie lynch

Really, haha, I guess that’s one way to look at it… I was talking more about the fact that with unemployment numbers the way they are it would be nice to have these jobs available to Americans. And this article showing that criminals don’t work very hard is a joke… I think we can all agree that criminals for the most part don’t have a great work ethic…

Your point of them spending money within our economy is a good one though, I wasn’t thinking about that…

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Doggone – wow. you’re much better at divination than I am – i didn’t get that message at all!

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@Joe Mama

Good point, that income needs to be taxed somehow…

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Doggone – why do you assume that the illegals do their spending here. Maybe on the bare necessities, but all the immigrants I’ve ever dealt with typically send as much of their paycheck as humanly possible back to their families wherever they came from. Therefore, removing the spending from here.

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USinUK

June 22nd, 2011
12:18 pm

Well how many of the people who are answering the phone in a call center for American Express over in India walked into a Quick Trip here in Georgia and bought anything today? Again Wow!

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Fletch…As soon as you agree to pay $4 per tomato and $6 per cucumber, we’ll get right on paying sharecroppers higher wages. You DO realize don’t you when the Cost of Doing Business (labor expense) go up SO DO the PRICES!

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One important element in this story is that the Probationers are convicted criminals who have had some of their jail time probated and allowed by the communities to walk freely among us if they can be productive and stay out of trouble. They can and may at their request, be returned to the jail cell, where I understand, they have no freedom, do no work and are paid no minimum wage. The Probationers also pay a hefty monthly fee to the Probation Office for their valuable guidance and recommendation to the Probate Court that moderates the assimilation of these still-under-sentence convicted criminals.
I understand this is an experiment, and these Probationers are not on a prison work farm in shackles or under armed guard. They have agreed to get out of jail early and work on a farm for pay. If they do not like that arrangement, they are free to say “Bonk this” throw their buckets away and stroll back home to wait for that prison bus to pull up, if that’s their choice. Many of the Probationers are not well-suited to any honest work, much less cucumber picking. They will eventually return community and their previous criminal occupation. Our State’s Ag Industry needs the ability to hire any and all willing and qualified workers.

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(ir), I’m grew up in a tiny chicken village in Kansas. And as a teenager, shared some of those experiences you mentioned. Back-breaking, grueling work in very difficult conditions.

And though I loved the freedom of being outdoors and making my own money(!), I knew I was destined to use my brains and not my back to make my way through life.

But I respect the hell out of those people who chose, for whatever reason, to get dirty and do that tough, but honorable work…

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And now, back to today’s news:

Poll: 44% of Americans Worse Off Under Obama

By a 44 percent to 34 percent margin, Americans say they believe they are worse off than when President Barack Obama took office in early 2009, when the U.S. was in the depths of a recession compounded by the September 2008 financial crisis and the economy was losing as many as 820,000 jobs a month.

Higher Than Reagan

The portion of Americans who say they believe the U.S. is on the wrong track is higher than it was at any point during Ronald Reagan’s presidency, when unemployment peaked at 10.8 percent after the 1981-82 recession, according to an ABC News/Washington Post poll. The ABC poll showed the wrong-track number during Reagan’s first term peaking at 57 percent in October 1982. The Bloomberg poll shows 66 percent of Americans think the U.S. is going in the wrong direction now.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-22/americans-worse-now-than-when-obama-inaugurated-by-44-34-margin-in-poll.html

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You DO realize don’t you when the Cost of Doing Business (labor expense) go up SO DO the PRICES!

What’s painfully obvious to me is that you don’t understand IF NO ONE BUYS THIS PERISHABLE PRODUCE, AT SUCH A HIGH PRICE ALL THAT’S LEFT IS ROTTEN FOOD.

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“Doggone – why do you assume that the illegals do their spending here”

It wasn’t me who said that, I was explaining someone else’s point…BUT, they do spend at least SOME of their money here. Jobs that go offshore take ALL of the workers spending offshort…which was the point of the original post not made by me.

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Paulo977: Yes I am afraid it has come to that. There is free health care, if you go to jail. I am just marveling at how smart he was in his execution of his plan. I hope more people do it to bring attention to the problem, but only if they do it as intelligently as him. Of course, I am sure the right’s response will be to simply close down jails or defund jails or something… Let’s see how politically tenable THAT prospect is.

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Deal should lead by example and work 2 weeks in South GA (80 hours total)

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“You DO realize don’t you when the Cost of Doing Business (labor expense) go up SO DO the PRICES!”

Not neccessarily. The producer could choose to pay his workers more money and take less in profit, in order to keep from increasing his prices.

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Please ignore anything I post since I am currently being held in a metal facility.

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…however, that doesn’t mean they should continue to be paid without any taxation and utilize all the great things America has to offer without paying their fair share.

I have worked in the construction biz for over thirty years, and this has been a non-issue up until recently.

Why haven’t you expressed your poutrage before?

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Jay, we already have “a pathway to legal status.” It starts with not breaking the law by entering the country illegally.

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WELL DUH !

SHOCK POLL: ONLY 3 in 10 WILL VOTE FOR OBAMA…
66% say US headed in ‘wrong direction’…
Egyptians prefer Osama to Obama — 21% to 12%…

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“AmVet: Are you being forced to mine the metal or to mold it”

Gotta be molding, you don’t mine metal!

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Mike, just read your 12:34.

OK, just checking!

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Liberal Jay just wants the probationers to fail — note the words “mixed results.” Some of the societal violators are doing well and others are failing. The criminals who are failing need to be goosed a little bit into working. After all, these violators probably haven’t held a real job in years due to the Euro-socialistic policies that even infected Georgia. With a little perserverance, all of these criminals could do cotton picking jobs. Why not? Socialist-Democrat fools would love to see the honorable Gov. Nathan Deal fail at something that carries so much common sense with the rightful idea.
God Bless,
Bill

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“Doggone – last I checked, you do. Or are gold, silver, copper, and other things of that nature not metals?”

They are, but you have to mine the ORE and EXTRACT the metal. The metal doesn’t come out of the mine ready to use.

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HEADLINE: “Man Shot, Killed at U.S.-Mexico Border”

GOOD ! A rock is a weapon and can cause “serious bodily injury” or death which justifies firing one’s service weapon. That’s one illegal immigrant we won’t have to worry about anymore.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Man-Shot-Killed-at-US-Mexico-Border-124347629.html?dr

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Metal Institution. Mine ore, extract or mold metal. Technicality! What a way to start a debate eh?

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Kamchak – I spent my childhood living on the ridge above one of the biggest steel mills in the world. It stretched, literally, for miles down the river. In it’s heyday it took in raw ore and one end, and shipped out finished steel at the other. My understanding is that it was one of the few steel operations that did that.

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@Kamchak

Do you think it’s fair for illegals to reap the benefits of America without paying into the system?

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Kam, looks like it’s children’s hour for some of the seniorile delinquents who escaped from Ms. Tucker’s.

And as I didn’t even read it, I missed that fourth grade spelling mistake! Thanks, Adam for allowing me the chance to go back and laugh at mystery meat’s stunning intellect some more.

LOL…

As for numbnuts “observation”, all I can say is that I’ve driven past the Colorado School of Mines a couple of times…

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America’s New Racists
by Walter E. Williams

Our Moral Dilemma

The late South African economist William Hutt, in his 1964 book, The Economics of the Colour Bar, said that one of the supreme tragedies of the human condition is that those who have been the victims of injustices and oppression “can often be observed to be inflicting not dissimilar injustices upon other races.”

Born in 1936, I’ve lived through some of our openly racist history, which has included racist insults, beatings and lynchings. Tuskegee Institute records show that between the years 1880 and 1951, 3,437 blacks and 1,293 whites were lynched. I recall my cousin’s and my being chased out of Fishtown and Grays Ferry, two predominantly Irish Philadelphia neighborhoods, in the 1940s, not stopping until we reached a predominantly black North or South Philly neighborhood.

Today all that has changed. Most racist assaults are committed by blacks. What’s worse is there’re blacks, still alive, who lived through the times of lynching, Jim Crow laws and open racism who remain silent in the face of it.

Last year, four black Skidmore College students yelled racial slurs while they beat up a white man because he was dining with a black man. Skidmore College’s first response was to offer counseling to one of the black students charged with the crime. In 2009, a black Columbia University professor assaulted a white woman during a heated argument about race relations. According to interviews and court records obtained and reported by Denver’s ABC affiliate (12/4/2009), black gangs roamed downtown Denver verbally venting their hatred for white victims before assaulting and robbing them during a four-month crime wave. Earlier this year, two black girls beat a white girl at a McDonald’s, and the victim suffered a seizure. Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel ordered an emergency shutdown of the beaches in Chicago because mobs of blacks were terrorizing families. According to the NBC affiliate there (6/8/2011), a gang of black teens stormed a city bus, attacked white victims and ran off with their belongings.

Racist black attacks are not only against whites but also against Asians. In San Francisco, five blacks beat an 83-year-old Chinese man to death. They threw a 57-year-old woman off a train platform. Two black Oakland teenagers assaulted a 59-year-old Chinese man; the punching knocked him to the ground, killing him. At Philly’s South Philadelphia High School, Asian students report that black students routinely pelt them with food and beat, punch and kick them in school hallways and bathrooms as they hurl racial epithets such as “Hey, Chinese!” and “Yo, Dragon Ball!” The Asian American Legal Defense and Education Fund charged the School District of Philadelphia with “deliberate indifference” toward black victimization of Asian students.

In many of these brutal attacks, the news media make no mention of the race of the perpetrators. If it were white racist gangs randomly attacking blacks, the mainstream media would have no hesitation reporting the race of the perps. Editors for the Los Angeles Times, the New York Times, and the Chicago Tribune admitted to deliberately censoring information about black crime for political reasons. Chicago Tribune Editor Gerould Kern recently said that the paper’s reason for censorship was to “guard against subjecting an entire group of people to suspicion.”

These racist attacks can, at least in part, be attributed to the black elite, who have a vested interest in racial paranoia. And that includes a president who has spent years aligned with people who have promoted racial grievance and polarization and appointed an attorney general who’s accused us of being “a nation of cowards” on matters of race and has refused to prosecute black thugs who gathered at a Philadelphia voting site in blatant violation of federal voter intimidation laws. Tragically, black youngsters – who are seething with resentments, refusing to accept educational and other opportunities unknown to blacks yesteryear – will turn out to be the larger victims in the long run.

Black silence in the face of black racism has to be one of the biggest betrayals of the civil rights struggle that included black and white Americans.

June 21, 2011

Walter E. Williams is the John M. Olin distinguished professor of economics at George Mason University, and a nationally syndicated columnist. To find out more about Walter E. Williams and read features by other Creators Syndicate columnists and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate web page.

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“Do you think it’s fair for illegals to reap the benefits of America without paying into the system?”

They don’t reap ALL the benefits, and they DO pay into a lot of the system.

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For the record: there are some real gems in the mental ward

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Do you think it’s fair for illegals to reap the benefits of America without paying into the system?

No.

Do you think it’s fair, that 25 years after St. Ronnie of thee Ray-gun’s amnesty program exacerbated a growing problem it is only now that your Victoria’s Secret thong is atwist?

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Joe Mama – yeah, I wasn’t so lucky. My grandparents are 5 minutes from my parents, so I had two pastures that I got to cut several times a summer.

I have a friend, who I personally believe to be crazy, that currently teaches AG ED in South GA, that dreams of spending a summer before he goes to grad school driving a combine across the Mid-West working the harvest. Apparently, you can make good money doing this, but I still think he is crazy. But we need people like him doing the work, and I hope that he gets to do it one summer.

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Joe Mama

June 22nd, 2011
12:33 pm

Some probationers could be sent back to jail if it was determined they had violated their probation in some way. Normally they would just pay a fine and costs associated with probation visits.

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Cucumbers; cotton; slavery; picking pot leaves; metal; mental; ore; smelting; and now thongs.

This is definitely the place to be if to be counted among the informed.
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Lunch date has arrived. Later.

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“They don’t reap ALL the benefits, and they DO pay into a lot of the system.”

Really?? Haven’t heard something like that before, heck, why should I continue to pay my taxes??

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Better Batteries Will Save the World
Too bad they’re impossible to make.

http://www.slate.com/id/2297125/

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@Joe Mama

That sounds fair to me, these bozos in Washington can’t get their act together, seems like something could be worked out but it never is…

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Jay

June 22nd, 2011
9:07 am

Who said that they are all or even mostly African American, Carlos?

More importantly, what’s the relevance of it?

I mean, unless you are into categorizing and stereotyping people by race. If that’s your intent, I could see why race would be relevant. But again, we don’t know the racial breakdown of the probationers in question.- Jay

Jay,

If its only a handful of probationers then we wouldn’t know the race of them and as you point out does it really matter? But I wouldn’t be too hard on Carlos for stereotyping the probationers as being black. If probationers are largely representative of the prison population in general then its a good bet that the majority of these lazy arses are indeed black. That’s just common sense. But then again who really cares? A lazy arse is a lazy arse is a lazy arse white or black.

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Mike, it also seems to me like there’s a solution in here somewhere.

I think the conservative objections to guest workers are as follows:
Y’all ain’t payin taxes
Y’all are suckin’ on taxpayer-paid benefits
Y’all broke the law to come here

I also think the liberal objections to the situation are as follows:
The workers didn’t create the problem; they just want to work
They do already pay sales and some other taxes
They ought to at least be treated fairly; don’t let employers take advantage of them

I don’t think there’s any liberal imperative to turn illegal immigrants into citizens (though I’m not opposed to helping them make that happen); I think that most lefties, like myself, just don’t want to see them persecuted for trying to work and improve their family’s situation.

My wife is Hispanic, and she says y’all conservatives are wasting a golden opportunity to attract Latinos into the GOP; most of them are religious, family-oriented and down-to-earth folks who could easily be persuaded to join up with y’all, if y’all would just stop pointing the finger and screaming at them.

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michelle’s Farm Workout and Fashion Guide
South Ga Edition
Always work in sleeveless overalls, show off those toned, tanned, bare arms
When hoeing, reach and pull, reach and pull, good for firming the butt
Prisioners, lose the orange jumpsuits, it is not a good color for any complexion
A large, floppy, straw hat will give you that ‘South of the Border’ feeling
Picking lemons? then make lemonade! Hydration is important for tropical climes
A good sunscreen is important, be SPFabulous, you don’t want to look Hispanic, do you
A red bandana says a lot about you, wear it as a do-rag, a kerchef, or a dust mask. Assessorize!!

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josef@ 12:39 pm,

Just curious but is this also your experience that the Hispanic kids come to work in clean clothes, always do their homework, and are respectful of teachers?

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Scout

Not to be flippant and try to answer your serious question in a more serious fashion. I am of the school of thought that got great-great-whatever grandpappy Machir his one-way ticket from Babylon to the wild woolies of the Charlemagne court. The recognition that the Levites and Kohanim are superfluous in the Diaspora, thus implies the “law” must evolve to deal with contemporary reality, laying the groundwork for the evolutionary interpretation of the tradition…

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1811/1801 – 0311/0317

June 22nd, 2011
12:46 pm

I don’t know what it has to do with today’s topic but I’ll play.

It seems that the epidemic of Black crime which is extremely prevelant in the area of Black on Black might be the first concern of a Black man.

The fact that there are other groups caught up in the maddening ridiculousness of Black crime doesn’t suprise me at all. I find it sickening that a person can’t sit in their home without the door being kicked in or walk to their car without being accosted and most of the time we hear about these types of crimes it is young Black males who are the perpetrators.

There are many racists who don’t attack a person physically and do more lasting damage due to their ability to effect things to a greater degree and with much more subtltey. I would say the silence of the “Black intellegincia” (Walter Williams included) to speak to this is far more aggregious than anything else.

Black people must develope a sense of community among themselves again and then maybe we will show the world a better side of ourselves.

There’s no need to make excuses the Black community is broken.

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“Speaking as a kohan and levite?”

I didn’t know you were Irish!

And that’s COHAN, boyo!

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BADA

you better be collecting and copywrighting these…! I want a first edition, autographed one!

Thulsa

That has been my in general with latino children and with “illegals” of any background…

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DAVE

When somebody expressed surprize at the election of the first Jewish Lord Mayor of Dublin, he is supposed to have quipped, “Ay, ‘ave ye ne’er heerd of the Lepracohens?”

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@Joe Mama

Sorry I don’t follow, the GOP is not screaming at hispanics, that is simpy a false statement. Not wanting illegal aliens working in the country is not screaming at hispanics. This applies to all illegals. Just so happens most are hispanic. You seem to think that all hispanics are here illegally just to help their families, that is where you are greatly mistaken…

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Yall said you wanted your jobs back!!!!!!!!!! In the words of the ever wise “Tag Team” WHOOP THERE IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO

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1811/1801 – 0311/0317 ,

I call it like I see it and I don’t give a hoot what people think. Too many people afraid to talk about what is plainly obvious for fear of being called racist. I say to hell with that. And I think the black leadership in this country needs to start being held accountable for the high rate of criminality of young black men rather than blaming society. They have opportunities and civil rights protections that were unheard of to their grandparents that actually went through the Jim Crow era and actually suffered real discrimination.

Thomas Sowell has also written extensively about the incidences of black racial attacks- particularly on Asians. His explanation is that its pent up resentment and anger of the success of this other minority group.

Speaking of all this I was listening to Boortz on the radio while driving to appts this morning and he was talking about the woman who jumped on the car hood of 3 young black men who brazenly just walked in, grabbed a few 12 packs of beer, and just walked out of a Walmart today. No one was going to do anything about it, this middle aged white woman had had enough of this crap, and jumped on the car hood to stop them. They were laughing at her trying to stop them. They weren’t laughing when the cops nailed all 3 of them a few moments later. I watched the video clip of it on the news when I got home this afternoon. Too funny. Boortz called the 3 thugs “urban gentleman”.

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Oh my…………..it seems that the “racial righties” have come out to play. Now we get to hear Ms. T. Doom’s endless rants about “black people” and how they’re ruining society for the white man. Then we also get to hear Mrs. Numbers rants on how GOD hates the black man.

Now here comes WeeWillieWinkie, (with the blog name of WILLIE LYNCH — no doubt about his/her attitudes), talking about the Black Community — which by far their richer inhabitants “give back to” in droves — more so than any other minority community — but since the truth doesn’t sit well with racial purists then that statement will be denigrated for being truthful because anything that uplifts the “black folks” of America is nothing more, to the racial purists, than propaganda of the highest deegree!

……………alas poor, poor racial purists I knew them well.

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The bill spends 1.1 billion to add to the deficit.

Sooth,

China can get some good deals in Greece.

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Woodstock

I would not argue with that in principle, but all you have to do is scroll back over any thread and see the fast and loose usage of Hispanic and illegals and that contention falls apart in practice…

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That has been my in general with latino children and with “illegals” of any background…- Josef

That does not surprise me. When I was in college I took several courses in Latin American studies due to my fondness for the region and my favorite professor was Dr. Ramirez. I was one of his favorite students and I even taught the man how to drive since he hadn’t driven a car in years. Anyway, he got very heated one day and made a very valid point in talking about the cultural differences in Hispanic students and Anglo students. He mentioned that Hispanic kids are generally more conservative- the girls are nowhere near as sexually promiscous as our Anglo girls and their kids don’t publicly talk gratuitously about sex, use explicit profanity, etc. in the same way that Anglo kids do. In those respects there manners and sense of decency was much better. From my own personal observations as an Anglo he was absolutely right.

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from AP article:
Conditions in the field are bruising, and the probationers didn’t seem to know what to expect.

Unlike the Mexican and Guatemalan workers, the probationers didn’t wear gloves to protect their hands from the small but prickly thorns on the vines and sandpaper-rough leaves.

They didn’t know what to expect……oh, darn…..somebody “forgot” to clue them in. This experiment sounds like it was designed to fail, imo. If I wanted a better success rate, think I’da told them what kind of gloves work best, and maybe shoes, also.
Considering very few live within walking distance of the fields, I’d arrange transportation and/or temp housing, maybe a company store, etc.
This appears to be an insincere effort by the Growers.

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michelle’s Fun and Fabulous Farm Fitness Facts
South GA Edition Redeux
After a hard day in the fields, slice a fresh cucumber and apply to your eyelids for 15 minutes. You will be refreshed and ready for that prision riot you have planned. Take no prisioners, tonite is your nite to shine!
Be sure to take some of that fresh, dewy produce back to jail with you. Is that a zuccini in your jumpsuit, or are you just happy to see Big Leon?
A poltice made of basil leaves and tomato seeds will soothe those tired feet before your pedicure
An insect repellent is a must. Don’t swat those flies and gnats. The armed guards don’t like any sudden movements. Manners, people!

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Well, since we’ve had to put up with Pettifog’s “conservatives are too stupid to understand” rantings all morning, I guess a few “racist righties” are in order just for a little balance.

Well it’s better than listening to your rants about your impotence and “lack of vigor” yet AGAIN…..(yawn)

PS: I heard EXTENZE works — perhaps you should try it.

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You know, Pettifog, a put-down is so much more effective when it:

A. Is based on some form of reality, and
B. Makes some kind of sense.

I suggest an extended stay at BADA BING’S Joke Emporium before trying again, son.

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6 strong, if you paid them $10 an hour, the crop would rot before picked. there is something called the piece rate pay system. it rewards hard work. picking veggies is hardly a skill. there are no tough decisions these workers are making. all they do is bend and scoop. if they pick alot they get paid a lot. they get rewarded for high productivity. they can surpass $10 an hour. most citizens want to be paid more money for performing at the same level or doing the same job. that just doesnt make sense at all. at my company, only the folks who generate revenue, cut costs, or find better ways to do things increase their salary.

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Mr Right @1:19
And why would Americans want to do hard work when they can feed a the gov. trough ?

You’re right, Mr. Right. The biggest trough is the subsidies. In Manhattan, there’s a slew of
millionaire “farmers”, collecting Millions for not farming.

The Making of Manhattan’s Elite Welfare Farmers
http://tinyurl.com/3np4byv

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Joe Mama….you are right. When I visit Rio, I am darker than some of the locals (I am Caucasian). In Venezuela and Argentina, the girls are blonde, redheaded, and brunette, in all skin tones. If you think all Hispanics look like Mexicans, you are mistaken.

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dorae, I don’t think farmers HAVE a comfort zone.

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Chris – “Fletch…As soon as you agree to pay $4 per tomato and $6 per cucumber, we’ll get right on paying sharecroppers higher wages. You DO realize don’t you when the Cost of Doing Business (labor expense) go up SO DO the PRICES!”

Ummm… Never said that. Sorry all, I was out doing a job that no Americans will do. i.e. Helping one of our guys dig a drainage ditch.

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“Dave R – don’t get mad at ME because you can’t satisfy your dog Fido anymore.”

Once again, Pettifog, see the above post at 1:53.

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BADA

If you think all Mexicans look like Mexicans, you’re mistaken!

A quick story,,,we had a family of kids once who, well, let’s just charitably say, weren’t the brightest bunch. One of our teachers, a Russian, was asking me about them and how to “break through.” I told her that the family was recently settled down migrants and that the home was illiterate. She was aghast, “but..but..they’re…” I laughed, “so white?” She kinda laughed a bit self-consciously, “well, yes.” They were. They were as blonde and blue-eyed as any Scandahoovian…but she, like the rest of us, was just not used to that pigmentation in that socio-economic class…

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jiosef…. I was ‘typed’ too in Peru. My Peruvian girlfriend told me that a common entertainment was to watch Gringos dance at local clubs. You know, the white man’s disease.. When I met her family, and took them out dining and dancing, they were astonished to see me dancing (I go way back with dancing). I got the laugh when I saw their faces.

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Sarah Palin’s bus tour = Iquitarod

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oh Dave you’re so bitter. Please try the new and improved Extenze, it even comes in a drink now. Perhaps a little action can improve your mood.

Remember, Cheaper Price. Bigger B@lls.

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Joe Mama, married to a Latina? Good job, they are the prettiest women in the world.

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Thulsa, I’ve figured it out. Pettifog is crazy. There is NO other explanation for the responses to me. Or anyone else for that matter. The logic is not there. The responses are not on point. And the put-downs make no sense whatsoever.

Nutty as a fruitcake.

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Mrs. Doom: My only joy is a blog?