So far, probationers don’t cotton to farm life
How’s it going down on the farm?
The first batch of probationers started work last week at a farm owned by Dick Minor, president of the Georgia Fruit and Vegetable Growers Association. In the coming days, more farmers could join the program.
So far, the experiment at Minor’s farm is yielding mixed results. On the first two days, all the probationers quit by mid-afternoon, said Mendez, one of two crew leaders at Minor’s farm.
“Those guys out here weren’t out there 30 minutes and they got the bucket and just threw them in the air and say, ‘Bonk this, I ain’t with this, I can’t do this,’” said Jermond Powell, a 33-year-old probationer. “They just left, took off across the field walking.”
Mendez put the probationers to the test last Wednesday, assigning them to fill one truck and a Latino crew to a second truck. The Latinos picked six truckloads of cucumbers compared to one truckload and four bins for the probationers.
Just as an aside, Minor Brothers Farm is listed as the second largest recipient of federal farm subsidies in the state, collecting a total of $11.4 million between 2000 and 2009.
– Jay Bookman
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Joe Mama
June 22nd, 2011
2:05 pm
Bada — “If you think all Hispanics look like Mexicans, you are mistaken.”
My Hispanic and born-in-the-USA wife frequently gets the security hassle at the airport, but my co-worker’s blonde, blue-eyed and British wife gets nary a second look.
Just ’cause they’re white don’t mean they’re from here, and just ’cause they’re not white don’t mean they’re from somewhere else.
Dave R.
June 22nd, 2011
2:06 pm
“Dave R – don’t get mad at ME because you can’t satisfy your dog Fido anymore.”
Once again, Pettifog, see the above post at 1:53.
Kamchak
June 22nd, 2011
2:07 pm
There is no reason to communicate with you, you are a lost cause…
Okay, I can accept that, but I did answer your question, sport.
josef
June 22nd, 2011
2:07 pm
BADA
If you think all Mexicans look like Mexicans, you’re mistaken!
A quick story,,,we had a family of kids once who, well, let’s just charitably say, weren’t the brightest bunch. One of our teachers, a Russian, was asking me about them and how to “break through.” I told her that the family was recently settled down migrants and that the home was illiterate. She was aghast, “but..but..they’re…” I laughed, “so white?” She kinda laughed a bit self-consciously, “well, yes.” They were. They were as blonde and blue-eyed as any Scandahoovian…but she, like the rest of us, was just not used to that pigmentation in that socio-economic class…
Thulsa Doom
June 22nd, 2011
2:10 pm
Pettifog,
And you ma’am would be a coward. So cowardly that if you have been posting on here a long time then you would have a handle we would know you by. Keep hiding though ma’am.
So I’ve blogged on here as a teacher, a businesswoman, a pilot, and a learned professor? Prevaricating again ma’am? Why yes! You certainly are. Several people on here pretty much know my job so the fact that you are lying is an easy one for all to see. Next you’ll say that I claimed to be an astronaut. Too funny.
My only joy is a blog? So says the blogger who has also blogged on here for quite a long time. Hypocrisy much?
Reagan envy too? 20 million new jobs. Yep! But at least its not Bush derangement syndrome that plagues your little mind.
BADA BING
June 22nd, 2011
2:12 pm
jiosef…. I was ‘typed’ too in Peru. My Peruvian girlfriend told me that a common entertainment was to watch Gringos dance at local clubs. You know, the white man’s disease.. When I met her family, and took them out dining and dancing, they were astonished to see me dancing (I go way back with dancing). I got the laugh when I saw their faces.
Intown
June 22nd, 2011
2:14 pm
Stupid is as stupid does. Thanks for this column today Jay. Keep skewering those nativists who would rather wreck our economy by attacking those who fuel its engine.
Joe Mama
June 22nd, 2011
2:14 pm
Sarah Palin’s bus tour = Iquitarod
Fletch
June 22nd, 2011
2:15 pm
Intown – “Keep skewering those nativists who would rather wreck our economy by attacking those who fuel its engine.”
I guess it all depends on the engine.
The Pettifoggers' Pettifog
June 22nd, 2011
2:15 pm
oh Dave you’re so bitter. Please try the new and improved Extenze, it even comes in a drink now. Perhaps a little action can improve your mood.
Remember, Cheaper Price. Bigger B@lls.
@@
June 22nd, 2011
2:16 pm
Just close your eyes, click the heels on your ruby red slippers
I know who that ^^^ one is.
Dave R.:
Some people are addicted to drama…especially females.
I’ve got friends who will watch another friend make the same mistake over and over. They love the drama of offering their shoulder and advice. Me?
Not so much. Not only do I tell them they’re an idiot, I tell them not to send me an invitation to their next pity party.
BADA BING
June 22nd, 2011
2:17 pm
Joe Mama, married to a Latina? Good job, they are the prettiest women in the world.
josef
June 22nd, 2011
2:19 pm
BADA
That looks-like thingie…I’ve got a buddy from Costa Rica who’s got the classic “New York Jew” looks. He still sails right on through immigration along the Mexican border, no questions asked. Never fails though when he’s going through customs in Central America (outside Costa Rica) he gets pulled in for the “gringo tax!”
Dave R.
June 22nd, 2011
2:19 pm
Thulsa, I’ve figured it out. Pettifog is crazy. There is NO other explanation for the responses to me. Or anyone else for that matter. The logic is not there. The responses are not on point. And the put-downs make no sense whatsoever.
Nutty as a fruitcake.
Joe Mama
June 22nd, 2011
2:19 pm
Bada — “Joe Mama, married to a Latina? Good job, they are the prettiest women in the world.”
You should get you one if you’re not already spoken for.
My best friend lives in Phoenix and wants one for himself; I’ve told him many times that if he can’t catch one there, he must not be trying very hard.
The Pettifoggers' Pettifog
June 22nd, 2011
2:20 pm
Mrs. Doom: My only joy is a blog?
Well that and your cats. Maybe some lube. Probably a couple of bags of cheetoes that your mom let’s you eat after you clean the bathrooms. Oh, wait! I forgot about your “Republican Pledge Pin”. Can’t leave that out.
getalife
June 22nd, 2011
2:21 pm
“Dems Accuse GOP Of Sabotaging Economy For Political Gain” AOL
Ya think?
Dave R.
June 22nd, 2011
2:22 pm
@@, as you can probably guess, I don’t suffer fools gladly either. Even in my elected official days, I just told the people what I was going to do without any sugar coating. Probably why I only served one term; voters don’t REALLY want their elected officials to tell them the truth.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 22nd, 2011
2:24 pm
josef:
A man of your letters, I can’t believe you would dodge my question like that.
Either it was of God or of man. One of the two.
Why would you fail to answer that?
The Pettifoggers' Pettifog
June 22nd, 2011
2:24 pm
Dave R — at least I can still feel the “fire” in my loins when that “special time” is right! It must be awful to be so wilted and unassuming.
@@
June 22nd, 2011
2:25 pm
You should get you one if you’re not already spoken for.
My best friend lives in Phoenix and wants one for himself; I’ve told him many times that if he can’t catch one there, he must not be trying very hard.
Get you ONE!!??!! My best friend wants ONE for himself!!??!!
The Pettifoggers' Pettifog
June 22nd, 2011
2:27 pm
voters don’t REALLY want their elected officials to tell them the truth.
They like the truth, they just didn’t like YOU. I had to tell you since no one else would. Sorry.
BADA BING
June 22nd, 2011
2:28 pm
Joe Maa, had a Peruvian girlfriend for 5 years before we broke up. I find the S American women are moral and family oriented. Hard workers and love the American dream. I am treated well in Peru, did not feel welcome in Venezeula, but have no trouble overall.
getalife
June 22nd, 2011
2:29 pm
“Even in my elected official days, I just told the people what I was going to do without any sugar coating. Probably why I only served one term; voters don’t REALLY want their elected officials to tell them the truth.”
Oh, the arrogance.
Dave R.
June 22nd, 2011
2:32 pm
OK, just for a bit of balance for the libs out here who vilify Sarah Palin on a regular basis, here’s a bit of background on the whole alleged “quitting the bus tour” thing:
“While the Alaska governor hadn’t publicly announced additional stops beyond her East Coast jaunt earlier this month, Palin aides had hinted she’d take her bus tour to key primary states such as Iowa and South Carolina.”
Now again, I’m not a big Palin fan (even if she’d be better than the current disaster we have in the White House – that bar isn’t very high), but can anyone honestly make the case that a bus tour that had no announced stops following the one’s she already made has been “quit”?
Really? You’re going to hang your hats on THAT? PDS is in full force with some of you losers.
josef
June 22nd, 2011
2:33 pm
SCOUT
I wasn’t dodging. I told you as clearly as I could which tradition I fall into. You asked specifically in relation to the laws pertinent to the kohanim and levites. The interpretation is that the law is an evolutionary concept, relative to the conditions of the time and place. Now, if you’re asking me my own “beliefs” in relation to the Torah, that is something else. Do I “believe” that these come directly from G-d? No, I do not. I accept the tradition that they were “given” to Moses and can even go so far as to accept that they were “divinely inspired,” but as we have them and as they are passed down to us, they are, again my belief, the work of man…
Bosch
June 22nd, 2011
2:33 pm
“Even in my elected official days, I just told the people what I was going to do without any sugar coating.”
So, you told them the days you were going to euthanize the puppies? Sorry, couldn’t resist.
Bosch
June 22nd, 2011
2:34 pm
Seriously Dave R., you shouldn’t talk about any kind of Derangement Syndrome here.
Logical Dude
June 22nd, 2011
2:34 pm
@@ says: Get you ONE!!??!! My best friend wants ONE for himself!!??!!
Are you flabbergasted by the use of the word “ONE” instead of “hispanic woman”?
Or that they would just want “ONE”?
Dave R.
June 22nd, 2011
2:35 pm
Ahhhh. I see the escapees from the Yerkes Primate Center have hooked up this afternoon.
Thulsa Doom
June 22nd, 2011
2:35 pm
Pettifog,
Good grief. If you’re going to insult me at least be funny or at least make some sense. Please refer to Dave’s post at 1:53 pm. Kinda weird that you keep mentioning extenze, lube, etc. Sounds like ya got some sexual issues to work out and hence all the lube reference. Hope ya get some help with that.
Bosch
June 22nd, 2011
2:36 pm
Dave R.,
It seems you have some kind of YPC Derangement Syndrome.
Joe Mama
June 22nd, 2011
2:37 pm
Dave — “OK, just for a bit of balance for the libs out here who vilify Sarah Palin on a regular basis, here’s a bit of background on the whole alleged “quitting the bus tour” thing:
Why do you need conservative “balance?” I found out about it on Free Republic.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2738138/posts
“Really? You’re going to hang your hats on THAT? PDS is in full force with some of you losers.”
I will be sure to tell the folks over at Free Republic how you feel about them. Good luck getting elected again, Dave-O. (pointing, laughing)
Logical Dude
June 22nd, 2011
2:37 pm
Dave R: can anyone honestly make the case that a bus tour that had no announced stops following the one’s she already made has been “quit”?
Well, I was trying to figure out what Palin was quitting when someone said she quit again. If she’s not really DOING anything as an elected official, or as a salaried person, She CAN’T quit! “Quit” just isn’t the right word.
But I guess it’s fun for some to paint her with the brush. . . I don’t see the need.
Dave R.
June 22nd, 2011
2:38 pm
Bosch, when I don’t like what someone is doing, I state the FACTS behind my dislike, and do so on substantive issues I have with that person or body. That is not derangement by any stretch of the imagination.
But feel free to make false conclusions on your own if you disagree.
Bosch
June 22nd, 2011
2:40 pm
Oh no Dave R., I’m down with that, but Yerkes? What have those monkeys ever done to you?
@@
June 22nd, 2011
2:41 pm
Logical Dude:
(ISH)
It was way to close to the “Come get you SOME” I so often hear.
Joe Mama
June 22nd, 2011
2:41 pm
Logical Dude — “Or that they would just want “ONE”?”
She’d be even more upset if I had said “some.”
Adam
June 22nd, 2011
2:42 pm
Goodness. The GOP blocks jobs bills and now they block a TAX CUT that would give employERS a break in taxes. Not that I think it will particularly encourage hiring like some say, but it’s pretty odd to block a tax cut. Could it be because Obama is for this particular tax cut?
Bosch
June 22nd, 2011
2:42 pm
Oh damn. Joe Mama and @@ are on some kind of magical mystery zone together.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 22nd, 2011
2:43 pm
josef:
“Divinely inspired” and the “work of man” …………. I love it. Classic liberaleze ………………
Finn McCool
June 22nd, 2011
2:44 pm
Speaking of Afghanistan and Iraq, boy, that strategy of the terrorists to get us to bankrupt ourselves really paid off. Frickin’ genius’
Ever seen a cat or dog chase its tail?
Bosch
June 22nd, 2011
2:44 pm
Adam,
“Not that I think it will particularly encourage hiring like some say, but it’s pretty odd to block a tax cut.”
Don’t know what you are talking about with the tax cut, but someone yesterday (I think ) summed it up pretty nicely I thought, it doesn’t matter one bit if there are tax cuts, what gets people hired and business going again is people walking in the door and buying your product — in other words, DEMAND!!
Logical Dude
June 22nd, 2011
2:44 pm
@@ It was way to close to the “Come get you SOME” I so often hear
Ah, thank you for the clarification. I am unfamiliar with “Come get you SOME’ as a common phrase. I guess I’ve heard it way back a long time ago once or twice, probably in a movie or something.
josef
June 22nd, 2011
2:44 pm
BOSCH
Good! I wasn’t just seeing things….are we doing the time warp again?
Dave R.
June 22nd, 2011
2:45 pm
Joe Mama, I’m not going to spend all afternoon schooling you on the English language again, as that would be a waste of my time.
The “balance” is provided, not from the source (which, btw, may have been posted on Free Republic, but was sourced from Real Clear Politics), but an explanation behind the mistaken accusation of “quitting”.
Nor were the people on Free Republic vilifying her for “quitting” as the losers on here did.
You’re just another lib stalker to add to the many on here who creepily do so.
Joe Mama
June 22nd, 2011
2:45 pm
Dave — “Bosch, when I don’t like what someone is doing, I state the FACTS behind my dislike, and do so on substantive issues I have with that person or body.”
Don’t even go there, pal. There’s plenty of your rantings reproduced all over the web. It doesn’t look like you were being very substantive when you were shrieking about monkeys or when you were calling people morons.
josef
June 22nd, 2011
2:48 pm
SCOUT
Yep. As classically liberal as you can get in the Western Tradition…all the way back to the first interpretations and decisions coming from the codification of the Babylonian Talmud…
Dave R.
June 22nd, 2011
2:49 pm
Bosch, I don’t know why the Yerkes Primate Center is such a focal point for me. I think it may go back to a traffic report that Capt. Herb was doing at the end of a legislative session here in Georgia, and he said something like, “When the legislature lets out later today, it’ll look like an escape from the Yerkes Primate Center”, or something to that effect.
Joe Mama
June 22nd, 2011
2:49 pm
Dave — “Joe Mama, I’m not going to spend all afternoon schooling you on the English language again, as that would be a waste of my time.”
It certainly would be a waste of your time. I’m not going to explain the specifics of why to you, but suffice it to say that *you* simply have nothing to teach *me.*
“The “balance” is blah blah blah (snipped)”
(lifts headset) Did you say something, Dave?
“Nor were blah blah blah (snipped)”
(waves insect away from face)
“You’re just another lib stalker to add to the many on here who creepily do so.”
Why, Dave! How SUBSTANTIVE of you! (pointing, laughing)
Paulo977
June 22nd, 2011
2:50 pm
i speak the
truth US
“anyways where is all the uproar of all the American companies that go overseas to hire?”
……followed by, Did all Americans who went abroad during the years have legal entries?
TnGelding
June 22nd, 2011
2:51 pm
The rich get riicher. I’m afraid we’ve become spoiled by modern living. We’e failed in passing on our work ethic to our children and grandchildren. Maybe Natahn and his office personnel could use some good, hard labor?
Dave R.
June 22nd, 2011
2:51 pm
Joe Mama, understand one thing – there is no way I would ever consider you a “pal”.
Bosch
June 22nd, 2011
2:52 pm
Dave R.,
I knew a couple of research folks there back in a former life, many moons ago. I’ve always like the word “Yerkes” for some reason, it would make a good high scoring Scrabble word. OR maybe not, it just looks like it would, weird.
Joe Mama
June 22nd, 2011
2:52 pm
Dave, what you think really doesn’t matter to me.
Now stop stalking me, please.
Tundra Dude
June 22nd, 2011
2:53 pm
Chris – “Fletch…As soon as you agree to pay $4 per tomato and $6 per cucumber, we’ll get right on paying sharecroppers higher wages. You DO realize don’t you when the Cost of Doing Business (labor expense) go up SO DO the PRICES!”
Chris: Pray tell, from whenceforth cometh these figures…???
An average-sized cuke weighs about 8 oz. The picker (in NC, a couple yrs ago) gets about 3 cents. The retail price is about 50 cents each.
The pickers in So. Florida fought for years to get up to 77 cents per 32# bucket.
Penny Foolish
By ERIC SCHLOSSER New York Times November 29, 2007
For 10 to 12 hours a day, they pick tomatoes by hand, earning a piece-rate of about 45 cents for every 32-pound bucket. During a typical day each migrant picks, carries and unloads two tons of tomatoes.
(snipped)
Last April, McDonald’s agreed to a similar arrangement, increasing the wages of its tomato pickers to about 77 cents per bucket
Finn McCool
June 22nd, 2011
2:54 pm
what gets people hired and business going again is people walking in the door and buying your product — in other words, DEMAND!!
And giving a tax cut to a wealthy person is more likely to wind up on Wall Street than purchasing any products. I mean, if you have a family of 4, you can’t eat more than 4 steaks a night, right?
Oh, the middle class people among us thought they might benefit from said tax cut? Ok, here’s yer $2.00, run along a play.
josef
June 22nd, 2011
2:54 pm
BOSCH
Nope. No Scrabble. A proper noun. Take it off and forfeit your turn…
On the other hand, I was able to open one night with “equinox”!
Joe Mama
June 22nd, 2011
2:54 pm
Tundra Dude, is that from the study you mentioned a few days ago? If you do manage to lay your hands on it, I would really be interested in reading it in detail.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 22nd, 2011
2:55 pm
josef:
“Yep. As classically liberal as you can get in the Western Tradition”
Yep ………… translation:
If I don’t like what it says ……………. it’s man made.
If I like what it says ……………………. it’s divinely inspired.
WHAT A DEAL !
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 22nd, 2011
2:56 pm
Headline: “Gore: Obama has failed on global warming”
Well, there you go. It there anyone out there who is not dissing Obama ?
Thulsa Doom
June 22nd, 2011
2:56 pm
Dave R.,
You stealing my fan club members? Get your own!
Dave R.
June 22nd, 2011
2:57 pm
Scout, I wouldn’t go bashing josef for dodging questions from you, as you pretty much dodged everything I posted to you this morning on the previous blog.
Just sayin’!
Dave R.
June 22nd, 2011
2:59 pm
I give them all to you, Thulsa!
Free and clear!
Zedd
June 22nd, 2011
3:00 pm
How many more sob stories are the AJC and local news media going to come up with to try and and change Georgian’s minds on HB-87? How much more must we endure? This what the majority of Georgians demanded and illegal is illegal.
Tundra Dude
June 22nd, 2011
3:00 pm
Joe Mama@2:14
Sarah Palin’s bus tour = Iquitarod
LOL!! Good Wun!
Not to worry, she’ll land on her feet, somewhere.
With her 8th-grade writing skills, she can always get hired at her alma mater, what was it…(?)
Idaho School of Trucking…??
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 22nd, 2011
3:01 pm
Does anyone know if there is a contest yet to design the Iraq/Afghnaistan Wall for the D.C. mall?
Maybe the Commander in Chiffon will announce it tonight ?
josef
June 22nd, 2011
3:01 pm
SCOUT
Torah…man made, divinely inspired
Talmud…man made, not so divinely inspired
we can take this up later if you like…right now got an errand to take care of….
Dave R.
June 22nd, 2011
3:03 pm
Ahhhh. More fun with Congressional miscreants. And what a surprise, it’s another Democrat!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110622/us_ac/8681891_alcee_hastings_sexual_harassment_charge_another_distraction_for_congress
“If the House Democrats thought they were finally out of the woods with the resignation of Anthony Weiner, it appears they have thought wrong. The latest congressman to be involved in a sex scandal is Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Fla.”
I guess when you’re impeached for bribery as a judge and still get elected to the House for 18 years, you pretty much think you’re above the law.
Yoo-Hoo!
June 22nd, 2011
3:05 pm
Where are the probationers who tire of picking cucumbers? Or the migrants who may or may not be illegal? Or even Gov. Deal’s idea of law and order on the farm? This blog has disintegrated into anonymous and bored name-calling.
RedEye
June 22nd, 2011
3:08 pm
Only 3 in 10 will vote for Obama in next election.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aI6mljp12T3k
Shibdaddy
June 22nd, 2011
3:12 pm
“Don’t cotton to farm life”? Very racsist!!!!!! That;s what you wants to see ain’t it. Us pickinng cotton. Limosine liebrals are evil!
Steve
June 22nd, 2011
3:14 pm
Hmmm, a new employee working in a job they have never done before has a hard time adjusting on the first day. How odd.
I worked with the maintenance crew on a golf course during my summer breaks from school. The first week was always the worst. After that, my body acclimated to the conditions. It was still oppressively hot outside, but my body was able to adapt to it.
Kamchak
June 22nd, 2011
3:15 pm
Joe Mama
June 22nd, 2011
2:52 pm
Dave, what you think really doesn’t matter to me.
Now stop stalking me, please.
As I recall, on more than one occasion he
threatenedpromised to never address you again.WOODSTOCK MIKE
June 22nd, 2011
3:17 pm
**NEWS FLASH**
Obama is announcing that 5,000-10,000 US troops are coming home by 2012 from the war in Afghanistan. Now, all we have is another 100K troops to go…
That’s what I call “bringing them home”!!!
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thulsa Doom
June 22nd, 2011
3:18 pm
Hastings actually came to Congress with an ethical cloud hanging over him, having been removed from the bench for conspiring to take a bribe.
What the hell is it with DemoncRAT voters that they continually elect crooks? Seriously? Guys like Kwame Coleman, Marion Barry, Alcee Hastings, Charley Rangel. Good grief. They know these guys are dirty and they just keep re-electing them. Its bewildering.
Dave R.
June 22nd, 2011
3:19 pm
And ANOTHER stalker adds to the mix. This one is even more useless than the orhers!
Kamchak
June 22nd, 2011
3:19 pm
**NEWS FLASH**
Kinda late to the party with that one, Jay’s already started a thread.
Joe Mama
June 22nd, 2011
3:20 pm
RedEye — “Only 3 in 10 will vote for Obama in next election.”
Do you people even read the stuff you post? From the same article:
“In the poll, 49 percent of respondents said they’re worried about Republicans gaining control of the White House and Congress and following through on pledges to slash funding for benefit programs like Medicare and Medicaid, outnumbering the 40 percent who said they are concerned about another term for Obama and a continuation of current spending policies. Among independents, 47 percent said they are worried about a Republican takeover compared with 37 percent who are concerned about maintaining the status quo.”
Joe Mama
June 22nd, 2011
3:24 pm
Kamchak — “As I recall, on more than one occasion he threatened promised to never address you again.”
Three times, I think. And *he* posted at *me* initially this afternoon, yet he’s accusing me of stalking him.
TruthBe
June 22nd, 2011
3:25 pm
That’s because the probationers are low life LAZY good for nothing people. Isn’t that right Jay. One reason why they are “probationers” is because they are so sorry and lazy that they don’t want to work. They just want us the Middle Class to give them everything. That way they don’t have to work and can lay around and get high and vote for scum like Obama. Granny your remarks about people like Rommey and Newt having no jobs and should work on these farms is stupid. Both men are millionaries . Maybe you Granny should think about working at these farms because after all your family has history and experience doing this kind of work. Right!
WOODSTOCK MIKE
June 22nd, 2011
3:25 pm
@Kamchak
heading there now….
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 22nd, 2011
3:25 pm
Dave R:1811/1801 – 0311/0317
June 22nd, 2011
9:40 am
FROM LAST NIGHT:
Dave R:
You are entitled to your opinion. “I” respect that.
That said, I saw good Marines die just so an high ranking officers could punch their “ticket” for a promotion. That’s the real world. Bad policy was wrong then and it’s wrong now.
There are Sgt. Majors, there are officers and then there is the Corps.
My allegience will always be to the Corps. If you can’t understand the difference I can’t help you.
Kind of like my allegience is to the Constitution ………. not the president or anyone else.
See my points to Jay below if you wish.
Jay
June 21st, 2011
10:24 pm
“Scout, he’s [Sgt. Major of the Mairne Corps] not doing a disservice to the Corps. He is ordering his Marines to live by the laws of the United States of America. If you have a problem with that, well … you have a problem.”
Jay:
First of all, DADT is still the law of the land so I assume you are in full support of obeying the law as is right now. Correct?
If I am not mistaken, a gay service person was discharged last week.
Second, when the law changes it is to be obeyed.
Third, one can choose to not join the Corps because of it or leave as soon as they can …………… or stay. It’s up to them.
Fourth, when the Sgt. Major says, “get over it” he has CROSSED THE LINE.
Roe vs. Wade is the law of the land but telling me to “get over it” (or not try to “change it back”) is WRONG and that is where the Sgt. Major is WRONG and where he overstepped his authority !
BTW:
I’m betting the Sgt. Major thinks USMC bootcamp should continue to be separated by sex and that women should not be in the combat arms.
Now if that’s true …………. I am sure you AGREE with his position since he is so omniscient.
P.S.
Since crossing the U.S. border without proper authority is against the law, I also assume that you believe illegal immigrants should obey our laws. Correct ?
Or do you like to pick and choose which laws are obeyed based on your political viewpoint?
Thulsa Doom
June 22nd, 2011
3:27 pm
Truthbe nailed it.
Joe Mama
June 22nd, 2011
3:31 pm
Blanket assertions and claims are foolishly made, and only agreed with by fools.
TruthBe
June 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm
Thulsa Doom, Thank you.
Hillbilly D
June 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm
I’m late to the party but I have a few observations. Most everything in life is about money and this is no different. Mr. Minor is a large farmer and he has an interest in protecting his cheap source of labor. I’d be curious to hear what some small farmers have to say on the subject. I’d be interested to know if any of these pickers, Latino or otherwise, have to pay a share to the crew boss for getting hired, do they have to pay any kind of housing, do they stay on the farm, do they have to pay any sort of grocery fee?
There is sort of an apples and oranges comparison between small farmers and large farmers. It’s like comparing Sam Drucker’s store to Walmart or the corner cafe to McDonalds.
My guess is Mr Minor is very happy with the status quo as far as labor costs go.
Brosephus
June 22nd, 2011
3:36 pm
And I think the black leadership in this country needs to start being held accountable for the high rate of criminality of young black men rather than blaming society. They have opportunities and civil rights protections that were unheard of to their grandparents that actually went through the Jim Crow era and actually suffered real discrimination.
Complete BULLSH*T!!! And I mean it in the most sincere manner.
I know you’re being honest with your opinion and all, but there is no such monster as “Black leadership.” Even if there was such a thing, how can they be held responsible for the actions of others? I’m always hearing that Whites that are alive today are not responsible for their ancestors who owned slaves, but you’re gonna hold somebody accountable for another dumbass person’s criminal behavior? Gimme a break dude!!
If you really wanna know the truth, the whole Civil Rights and equality movement was a dismal failure. The Civil Rights Movement shifted racism from being open, and only pushed it behind closed doors. Blacks have been resentful of Whites for as long as Whites have tried to hold power over them. When you want to talk about economic integration, that was also a dismal failure. Whites allowed Blacks to frequent their businesses once discrimination was outlawed, but in return, Black businesses were hurt because Whites still refused to do business or frequent Black owned businesses.
Maybe if you actually sat down and studied what really went on in the communities and not just the textbook stuff, you’d understand why there’s so much resentment in the “hood”. I’m not saying that it’s right, because after a while, I think the past needs to be the past. However, some people have a harder time forgiving than others do.
TruthBe
June 22nd, 2011
3:37 pm
Your right Obama is always making “blanket Assertions”. Isn’t that true Joe Mama.
Joe Mama
June 22nd, 2011
3:41 pm
TruthBe — “Your right Obama is always making “blanket Assertions”. Isn’t that true Joe Mama.”
Well, *you* certainly were.
TruthBe
June 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm
Brosephus, Sounds like you haven’t forgave the past. Dude I believe that some of your statement is the truth and we need to talk and debate somemore. If you can put away your “Black Chip on your Shoulder”. I would appreciate discussing this matter more with you all. The Black leadership does have some responsible with problems in the Black Communities.
Adam
June 22nd, 2011
3:51 pm
Who is “the Black leadership” TruthBe?
Brosephus
June 22nd, 2011
3:56 pm
TruthBe
Sounds more like you need to put your order in here.
http://www.murine.com/ears.htm
I have no chip on my shoulder, as I made peace with the status quo here a long time ago. There is no such monster as “The Black Leadership”. Once you get that through that wax clog and into your cerebellum, there’s room for you at the discussion table with the grownups. As long as you think or insist that there is come kind of leadership group, you’re more of the problem than the answer.
TruthBe
June 22nd, 2011
4:04 pm
Adam, Why that’s the proclaimed black civil rights pioneers like Lewis, Jacksons, Sharp, Rev.Wright, King Family, Young, Black Preachers, Educators, Teachers, Black Business People ( examples: Oprah, Johnson Family ), Politicans, Media, Black Mayors, and President Obama. Just a example of a small few.
Adam
June 22nd, 2011
4:07 pm
TruthBe: To suggest that all of those figures have done what you suggested (placed blame rather than trying to correct and lift up their communities) is absurd.
TruthBe
June 22nd, 2011
4:09 pm
Broesphus, Where’s the Obama ordered civility?
TruthBe
June 22nd, 2011
4:13 pm
Adam, Why don’t you listen and read what they have said. And I didn’t sugguest they were all at fault but they speak alot for the “Black Community. If I wanted to suggest something bad I would have mention Eric Holder and his partners in crime the New Black Panthers.
Brosephus
June 22nd, 2011
4:14 pm
Where’s the Obama ordered civility?
The only orders I have to obey from Obama comes down through my chain of command. What makes you think I’m not being civil now? I’m simply trying to get the point across that there is no Black Leadership. If it’s not work-related, I don’t follow orders from anyone. There’s no leadership group that tells me how to support my family. People from all walks of life can make suggestions, but the final decision rests upon my shoulders, and my shoulders only.
Mighty Righty
June 22nd, 2011
4:19 pm
Bush pulled out of Kyoto and refused to control heat-trapping pollution even after the Supreme Court said the government had the authority to move forward forcefully on this front and federal scientists determined that increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases posed dangers to human health.
Why is it whenever the Kyoto agreement is mentioned it is made to sound like Bush killed it. The fact is Clinton was president when the U.S. Senate voted against ratification something like 99 to 0! Our Senators both Democrat and Republican realized what Al Gore was not bright enough to figure out that the treaty would have turned the U.S. into a third world economy. The Obama administration is using the EPA to effectively destroy our economy anyway.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
June 22nd, 2011
4:22 pm
Maybe they would stay OUT of jail if they had to work.