So far, probationers don’t cotton to farm life
How’s it going down on the farm?
The first batch of probationers started work last week at a farm owned by Dick Minor, president of the Georgia Fruit and Vegetable Growers Association. In the coming days, more farmers could join the program.
So far, the experiment at Minor’s farm is yielding mixed results. On the first two days, all the probationers quit by mid-afternoon, said Mendez, one of two crew leaders at Minor’s farm.
“Those guys out here weren’t out there 30 minutes and they got the bucket and just threw them in the air and say, ‘Bonk this, I ain’t with this, I can’t do this,’” said Jermond Powell, a 33-year-old probationer. “They just left, took off across the field walking.”
Mendez put the probationers to the test last Wednesday, assigning them to fill one truck and a Latino crew to a second truck. The Latinos picked six truckloads of cucumbers compared to one truckload and four bins for the probationers.
Just as an aside, Minor Brothers Farm is listed as the second largest recipient of federal farm subsidies in the state, collecting a total of $11.4 million between 2000 and 2009.
– Jay Bookman
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AmVet
June 22nd, 2011
12:35 pm
Joe Mama, yep, nothing like a 120 pound teenager up in a hayloft when it’s 105 degrees outside, and bending over an opening in the floor with a hook or two, grabbing a 60 – 70 lb. bale and then stacking it up along a wall.
When I worked the wheat harvest at the local elevator, I’d go home after 17 hour days and cough up black phlegm (I know, TMI!)
But I knew it wasn’t gonna last and so, for me, it was not so bad…
WOODSTOCK MIKE, third and final request to answer my simple question.
i speak the truth US
June 22nd, 2011
12:36 pm
Deal should lead by example and work 2 weeks in South GA (80 hours total)
ken
June 22nd, 2011
12:36 pm
How many of my dollars went to the UAW ?????????????
Doggone/GA
June 22nd, 2011
12:36 pm
“You DO realize don’t you when the Cost of Doing Business (labor expense) go up SO DO the PRICES!”
Not neccessarily. The producer could choose to pay his workers more money and take less in profit, in order to keep from increasing his prices.
(ir)Rational
June 22nd, 2011
12:36 pm
Joe Mama – I don’t know, bailing hay in August wasn’t so bad, to me it was the first few times in May and June that were the worst. By August I was used to it again. Of course, since I was doing it for my dad and got the same allowance whether I bailed hay or cleaned the house, I was very happy when the neighbor decided he needed the hay and started paying my dad for the right to cut and bail it on our property. That was one of the best days of my life.
Another of my favorites was splitting wood until my arms and back were so tired it became dangerous to lift the ax for fear of hitting myself instead of the log.
AmVet
June 22nd, 2011
12:37 pm
Please ignore anything I post since I am currently being held in a metal facility.
Adam
June 22nd, 2011
12:37 pm
WOODSTOCK MIKE
“They” is anyone who thinks that illegals should be allowed to continue working in the USA without going through the correctED processes
FYT
Kamchak
June 22nd, 2011
12:38 pm
…however, that doesn’t mean they should continue to be paid without any taxation and utilize all the great things America has to offer without paying their fair share.
I have worked in the construction biz for over thirty years, and this has been a non-issue up until recently.
Why haven’t you expressed your poutrage before?
Adam
June 22nd, 2011
12:38 pm
AmVet: Are you being forced to mine the metal or to mold it?
RR
June 22nd, 2011
12:39 pm
Jay, we already have “a pathway to legal status.” It starts with not breaking the law by entering the country illegally.
Kamchak
June 22nd, 2011
12:39 pm
Tick…tick…tick….
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 22nd, 2011
12:39 pm
WELL DUH !
SHOCK POLL: ONLY 3 in 10 WILL VOTE FOR OBAMA…
66% say US headed in ‘wrong direction’…
Egyptians prefer Osama to Obama — 21% to 12%…
josef
June 22nd, 2011
12:39 pm
Okay…
That d*mnable Alabama law says school workers have to report suspected “illegals.” The other day in the lounge one of the newer teachers asked, “how are WE supposed to identify them.” One of the old timers said, “it’s easy. They’re the ones who come to school on time in clean clothes, their homework done and who say yes ma’am and no ma’am and follow the rules to the T…under orders from home not to draw attention…”
Doggone/GA
June 22nd, 2011
12:40 pm
“AmVet: Are you being forced to mine the metal or to mold it”
Gotta be molding, you don’t mine metal!
Wonder...
June 22nd, 2011
12:40 pm
Attention AmVet,
Is Granny your mama?
AmVet
June 22nd, 2011
12:41 pm
Mike, just read your 12:34.
OK, just checking!
(ir)Rational
June 22nd, 2011
12:41 pm
Doggone – last I checked, you do. Or are gold, silver, copper, and other things of that nature not metals?
Bill Orvis White
June 22nd, 2011
12:41 pm
Liberal Jay just wants the probationers to fail — note the words “mixed results.” Some of the societal violators are doing well and others are failing. The criminals who are failing need to be goosed a little bit into working. After all, these violators probably haven’t held a real job in years due to the Euro-socialistic policies that even infected Georgia. With a little perserverance, all of these criminals could do cotton picking jobs. Why not? Socialist-Democrat fools would love to see the honorable Gov. Nathan Deal fail at something that carries so much common sense with the rightful idea.
God Bless,
Bill
Adam
June 22nd, 2011
12:42 pm
josef: One of the old timers said, “it’s easy. They’re the ones who come to school on time in clean clothes, their homework done and who say yes ma’am and no ma’am and follow the rules to the T…under orders from home not to draw attention…”
Jeez so we have to get rid of the good students because of this nonsense? Yeah, THAT makes sense…
Doggone/GA
June 22nd, 2011
12:42 pm
“Doggone – last I checked, you do. Or are gold, silver, copper, and other things of that nature not metals?”
They are, but you have to mine the ORE and EXTRACT the metal. The metal doesn’t come out of the mine ready to use.
Kamchak
June 22nd, 2011
12:42 pm
Doggone – last I checked, you do.
Actually it’s ore that is mined.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 22nd, 2011
12:42 pm
HEADLINE: “Man Shot, Killed at U.S.-Mexico Border”
GOOD ! A rock is a weapon and can cause “serious bodily injury” or death which justifies firing one’s service weapon. That’s one illegal immigrant we won’t have to worry about anymore.
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Man-Shot-Killed-at-US-Mexico-Border-124347629.html?dr
i speak the truth US
June 22nd, 2011
12:43 pm
I feel sad for the children caught up in the middle.
My parents came here illegally almost 30 years ago. I grew up in this state and have done very well for myself. I am 25 years old, own a house, make very good $ and serviced my country.
If this law had passed 25-30 years ago, my life would have probably been different.
Adam
June 22nd, 2011
12:44 pm
Metal Institution. Mine ore, extract or mold metal. Technicality! What a way to start a debate eh?
Joe Mama
June 22nd, 2011
12:44 pm
ir(Rational) — “Joe Mama – I don’t know, bailing hay in August wasn’t so bad, to me it was the first few times in May and June that were the worst.”
Fortunately, we were down here and Granddaddy was up in Ohio, so we were usually only there for the tail end of the June cutting and all of the August one. And I think he cut alfalfa in the fall after we were gone.
Doggone/GA
June 22nd, 2011
12:45 pm
Kamchak – I spent my childhood living on the ridge above one of the biggest steel mills in the world. It stretched, literally, for miles down the river. In it’s heyday it took in raw ore and one end, and shipped out finished steel at the other. My understanding is that it was one of the few steel operations that did that.
Get Real
June 22nd, 2011
12:45 pm
Fiirst off, most of these low lifes on probation don’t want to work. They had rather rob, steal or commit crimes and that’s why they are on probation. I’m sure it’s hard to pick vegetables with their pants down to their knees anyway!
They should pack up all the prisioners in the jails and have armed guards transport them and make them pick the crops. They money the farmer would normally pay should go to the Department of Corrections to build more jails to house, clothe and feed them, i.e. make them earn their keep!
Maybe they would think twice before ever committing a crime again and maybe if they knew the consequences for commiting the crime they would think twice before they committed it! There are already plenty of legal immigrants here already that could do these jobs but our elustrious government has already corrupted them by the free give-a-ways and they don’t actually have to work!
WOODSTOCK MIKE
June 22nd, 2011
12:45 pm
@Kamchak
Do you think it’s fair for illegals to reap the benefits of America without paying into the system?
(ir)Rational
June 22nd, 2011
12:45 pm
Okay fine, you win. I was wrong – ABOUT THE METAL. Don’t go taking that out of context. I admit no wrong to anything else.
AmVet
June 22nd, 2011
12:46 pm
Kam, looks like it’s children’s hour for some of the seniorile delinquents who escaped from Ms. Tucker’s.
And as I didn’t even read it, I missed that fourth grade spelling mistake! Thanks, Adam for allowing me the chance to go back and laugh at mystery meat’s stunning intellect some more.
LOL…
As for numbnuts “observation”, all I can say is that I’ve driven past the Colorado School of Mines a couple of times…
josef
June 22nd, 2011
12:46 pm
speak the truth…
Testify!
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 22nd, 2011
12:46 pm
America’s New Racists
by Walter E. Williams
Our Moral Dilemma
The late South African economist William Hutt, in his 1964 book, The Economics of the Colour Bar, said that one of the supreme tragedies of the human condition is that those who have been the victims of injustices and oppression “can often be observed to be inflicting not dissimilar injustices upon other races.”
Born in 1936, I’ve lived through some of our openly racist history, which has included racist insults, beatings and lynchings. Tuskegee Institute records show that between the years 1880 and 1951, 3,437 blacks and 1,293 whites were lynched. I recall my cousin’s and my being chased out of Fishtown and Grays Ferry, two predominantly Irish Philadelphia neighborhoods, in the 1940s, not stopping until we reached a predominantly black North or South Philly neighborhood.
Today all that has changed. Most racist assaults are committed by blacks. What’s worse is there’re blacks, still alive, who lived through the times of lynching, Jim Crow laws and open racism who remain silent in the face of it.
Last year, four black Skidmore College students yelled racial slurs while they beat up a white man because he was dining with a black man. Skidmore College’s first response was to offer counseling to one of the black students charged with the crime. In 2009, a black Columbia University professor assaulted a white woman during a heated argument about race relations. According to interviews and court records obtained and reported by Denver’s ABC affiliate (12/4/2009), black gangs roamed downtown Denver verbally venting their hatred for white victims before assaulting and robbing them during a four-month crime wave. Earlier this year, two black girls beat a white girl at a McDonald’s, and the victim suffered a seizure. Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel ordered an emergency shutdown of the beaches in Chicago because mobs of blacks were terrorizing families. According to the NBC affiliate there (6/8/2011), a gang of black teens stormed a city bus, attacked white victims and ran off with their belongings.
Racist black attacks are not only against whites but also against Asians. In San Francisco, five blacks beat an 83-year-old Chinese man to death. They threw a 57-year-old woman off a train platform. Two black Oakland teenagers assaulted a 59-year-old Chinese man; the punching knocked him to the ground, killing him. At Philly’s South Philadelphia High School, Asian students report that black students routinely pelt them with food and beat, punch and kick them in school hallways and bathrooms as they hurl racial epithets such as “Hey, Chinese!” and “Yo, Dragon Ball!” The Asian American Legal Defense and Education Fund charged the School District of Philadelphia with “deliberate indifference” toward black victimization of Asian students.
In many of these brutal attacks, the news media make no mention of the race of the perpetrators. If it were white racist gangs randomly attacking blacks, the mainstream media would have no hesitation reporting the race of the perps. Editors for the Los Angeles Times, the New York Times, and the Chicago Tribune admitted to deliberately censoring information about black crime for political reasons. Chicago Tribune Editor Gerould Kern recently said that the paper’s reason for censorship was to “guard against subjecting an entire group of people to suspicion.”
These racist attacks can, at least in part, be attributed to the black elite, who have a vested interest in racial paranoia. And that includes a president who has spent years aligned with people who have promoted racial grievance and polarization and appointed an attorney general who’s accused us of being “a nation of cowards” on matters of race and has refused to prosecute black thugs who gathered at a Philadelphia voting site in blatant violation of federal voter intimidation laws. Tragically, black youngsters – who are seething with resentments, refusing to accept educational and other opportunities unknown to blacks yesteryear – will turn out to be the larger victims in the long run.
Black silence in the face of black racism has to be one of the biggest betrayals of the civil rights struggle that included black and white Americans.
June 21, 2011
Walter E. Williams is the John M. Olin distinguished professor of economics at George Mason University, and a nationally syndicated columnist. To find out more about Walter E. Williams and read features by other Creators Syndicate columnists and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate web page.
Uncle Jed
June 22nd, 2011
12:46 pm
Doggone – last I checked, you do.
Actually it’s ore that is mined.
++++++++++++++++++++++++
Some gold comes out in a state that requires no smelting…them thar nuggets
Doggone/GA
June 22nd, 2011
12:46 pm
“Do you think it’s fair for illegals to reap the benefits of America without paying into the system?”
They don’t reap ALL the benefits, and they DO pay into a lot of the system.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 22nd, 2011
12:47 pm
josef:
Serious Question:
In the O.T. there are a lot of rules and regulations set up for the priesthood, the Temple, sacrrifices, special feast days, etc., etc.
Do you personally believe these were of God or man made?
Uncle Jed
June 22nd, 2011
12:47 pm
For the record: there are some real gems in the mental ward
Doggone/GA
June 22nd, 2011
12:48 pm
“Some gold comes out in a state that requires no smelting…them thar nuggets”
In small amounts, sure…but even then, it’s not – strictly speaking – done by mining, as most people think of mining.
Kamchak
June 22nd, 2011
12:49 pm
Do you think it’s fair for illegals to reap the benefits of America without paying into the system?
No.
Do you think it’s fair, that 25 years after St. Ronnie of thee Ray-gun’s amnesty program exacerbated a growing problem it is only now that your Victoria’s Secret thong is atwist?
Uncle Jed
June 22nd, 2011
12:49 pm
Pearls of wisdom are found here daily
(ir)Rational
June 22nd, 2011
12:49 pm
Joe Mama – yeah, I wasn’t so lucky. My grandparents are 5 minutes from my parents, so I had two pastures that I got to cut several times a summer.
I have a friend, who I personally believe to be crazy, that currently teaches AG ED in South GA, that dreams of spending a summer before he goes to grad school driving a combine across the Mid-West working the harvest. Apparently, you can make good money doing this, but I still think he is crazy. But we need people like him doing the work, and I hope that he gets to do it one summer.
Joe Mama
June 22nd, 2011
12:49 pm
Mr. White — “the honorable Gov. Nathan Deal”
I knew it. Bill Orvis White is a troll.
We’ve been had.
willie lynch
June 22nd, 2011
12:51 pm
Joe Mama
June 22nd, 2011
12:33 pm
Some probationers could be sent back to jail if it was determined they had violated their probation in some way. Normally they would just pay a fine and costs associated with probation visits.
AmVet
June 22nd, 2011
12:52 pm
Some interesting (or not) tidbits:
On this date in 1808, Zebulon Pike summitted the now famous peak named for him. (As I just mentioned Colorado.)
And in 1979, this was the day that disco officially died, (Yeah!)
Uncle Jed
June 22nd, 2011
12:52 pm
Cucumbers; cotton; slavery; picking pot leaves; metal; mental; ore; smelting; and now thongs.
This is definitely the place to be if to be counted among the informed.
++++++++++++++++++++++
Lunch date has arrived. Later.
6/22 – ajc.com(AP) – Probationers quit on the harvest | Georgia puts probationers to work harvesting crops « GIRRC – Georgia Immigrant & Refugee Rights Coalition
June 22nd, 2011
12:52 pm
[...] Bookman: Probationers don’t cotton to farm life [...]
WOODSTOCK MIKE
June 22nd, 2011
12:53 pm
“They don’t reap ALL the benefits, and they DO pay into a lot of the system.”
Really?? Haven’t heard something like that before, heck, why should I continue to pay my taxes??
josef
June 22nd, 2011
12:54 pm
Scout
Speaking as a kohan and levite?
Finn McCool
June 22nd, 2011
12:55 pm
Better Batteries Will Save the World
Too bad they’re impossible to make.
http://www.slate.com/id/2297125/
Joe Mama
June 22nd, 2011
12:57 pm
Mike, seriously — how would you feel about a guest worker program where farmers could get the labor they wanted and workers had to pay taxes, but didn’t get unemployment benefits or the right to vote? Could you go for something like that?
How about if participation in the guest worker program offered you an accelerated path to citizenship? Would that be something you’d see as fair?
WOODSTOCK MIKE
June 22nd, 2011
1:00 pm
@Joe Mama
That sounds fair to me, these bozos in Washington can’t get their act together, seems like something could be worked out but it never is…
deegee
June 22nd, 2011
1:01 pm
Would any of you like to speculate on what you would be doing now if your great grandparents were told that they could come to the US, work for three years and then they would have to go back to Europe and solve their famine problem themselves?
Thulsa Doom
June 22nd, 2011
1:08 pm
Jay
June 22nd, 2011
9:07 am
Who said that they are all or even mostly African American, Carlos?
More importantly, what’s the relevance of it?
I mean, unless you are into categorizing and stereotyping people by race. If that’s your intent, I could see why race would be relevant. But again, we don’t know the racial breakdown of the probationers in question.- Jay
Jay,
If its only a handful of probationers then we wouldn’t know the race of them and as you point out does it really matter? But I wouldn’t be too hard on Carlos for stereotyping the probationers as being black. If probationers are largely representative of the prison population in general then its a good bet that the majority of these lazy arses are indeed black. That’s just common sense. But then again who really cares? A lazy arse is a lazy arse is a lazy arse white or black.
Kamchak
June 22nd, 2011
1:09 pm
Looks like MIKEY-POO is great at ignoring questions that he doesn’t want to answer.
Not that I expected any different….
Joe Mama
June 22nd, 2011
1:10 pm
Mike, it also seems to me like there’s a solution in here somewhere.
I think the conservative objections to guest workers are as follows:
Y’all ain’t payin taxes
Y’all are suckin’ on taxpayer-paid benefits
Y’all broke the law to come here
I also think the liberal objections to the situation are as follows:
The workers didn’t create the problem; they just want to work
They do already pay sales and some other taxes
They ought to at least be treated fairly; don’t let employers take advantage of them
I don’t think there’s any liberal imperative to turn illegal immigrants into citizens (though I’m not opposed to helping them make that happen); I think that most lefties, like myself, just don’t want to see them persecuted for trying to work and improve their family’s situation.
My wife is Hispanic, and she says y’all conservatives are wasting a golden opportunity to attract Latinos into the GOP; most of them are religious, family-oriented and down-to-earth folks who could easily be persuaded to join up with y’all, if y’all would just stop pointing the finger and screaming at them.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 22nd, 2011
1:10 pm
josef:
Sure ………. straight answer. Don’t hold back.
BADA BING
June 22nd, 2011
1:12 pm
michelle’s Farm Workout and Fashion Guide
South Ga Edition
Always work in sleeveless overalls, show off those toned, tanned, bare arms
When hoeing, reach and pull, reach and pull, good for firming the butt
Prisioners, lose the orange jumpsuits, it is not a good color for any complexion
A large, floppy, straw hat will give you that ‘South of the Border’ feeling
Picking lemons? then make lemonade! Hydration is important for tropical climes
A good sunscreen is important, be SPFabulous, you don’t want to look Hispanic, do you
A red bandana says a lot about you, wear it as a do-rag, a kerchef, or a dust mask. Assessorize!!
Normal
June 22nd, 2011
1:14 pm
ATTENTION OBAMA BASHERS!!!
Al Gore has joined your ranks!
Ain’t you jus’ tickled pink?
—————————–
Breaking from Newsmax.com
Gore Faults Obama on Global Warming
WASHINGTON — Former Vice President Al Gore is going where few environmentalists — and fellow Democrats — have gone before: criticizing President Barack Obama’s record on global warming.
In a 7,000-word essay for Rolling Stone magazine that will be published Friday, Gore says Obama has failed to stand up for “bold action” on global warming and has made little progress on the problem since the days of Republican President George W. Bush. Bush infuriated environmentalists for resisting mandatory controls on the pollution blamed for climate change, despite overwhelming scientific evidence that the burning of fossil fuels is responsible.
While Gore credits Obama’s political appointees with making hundreds of changes that have helped move the country “forward slightly” on the climate issue, and acknowledges Obama has been dealing with many other problems, he says the president “has simply not made the case for action.”
“President Obama has never presented to the American people the magnitude of the climate crisis,” Gore says. “He has not defended the science against the ongoing withering and dishonest attacks. Nor has he provided a presidential venue for the scientific community … to bring the reality of the science before the public.”
The comments mark a turnaround for the nation’s most prominent global warming advocate, whose work on the climate problem has earned him a Nobel Prize and was adapted into an Oscar-winning documentary.
Gore toasted Obama’s inauguration with a “green” ball. He helped the White House press the House to pass a global warming bill in 2009 that would have set the first-ever limits on the pollution blamed for global warming. It died in the Democratic-controlled Senate. Gore also advised Obama before the president participated in international climate negotiations in 2009. Obama’s last-minute appearance in Copenhagen helped salvage a nonbinding deal to reduce greenhouse gases.
In the essay, Gore calls the Copenhagen result a “rhetorical agreement” that provided cover for the administration’s inability to commit to enforceable targets for global warming pollution. Without legislation, Obama couldn’t follow through on his promises to cut emissions.
“During the final years of the Bush-Cheney administration, the rest of the world was waiting for a new president who would aggressively tackle the climate crisis, and when it became clear that there would be no real change from the Bush era, the agenda at Copenhagen changed from ‘How do we complete this historic breakthrough?’ to ‘How can we paper over this embarrassing disappointment?’ ” Gore writes, referring to the talks, where 193 nations met to draft a new global treaty to reduce greenhouse gases. The 1997 Kyoto Protocol, in which the U.S. never participated and Gore helped to broker, expires in 2012.
Gore declined an Associated Press request for an interview.
Bush pulled out of Kyoto and refused to control heat-trapping pollution even after the Supreme Court said the government had the authority to move forward forcefully on this front and federal scientists determined that increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases posed dangers to human health.
Obama, by contrast, has tightened fuel economy standards to reduce global warming pollution from automobiles, included billions of dollars for climate-friendly projects in the economic stimulus package and started controlling emissions under existing law.
As recently as April, at a Democratic fundraiser in San Francisco, Obama said he was “not finished when it comes to energy.”
Mentioning the climate deniers in Congress, Obama said, “Unless we are able to move forward in a serious way on clean energy, we’re putting our children and grandchildren at risk.”
Regardless of views such as Gore’s, environmental voters may see little choice in the 2012 election. Those in the Republican field so far either deny global warming is a man-made problem altogether or say actions to address it would harm the economy. For Obama, the biggest risk is that some environmental voters may not turn out.
In his essay, Gore notes his comments could weaken Obama at a time when he already is under attack from Republicans.
“Even writing an article like this one carries risks,” Gore says. “Opponents of the president will excerpt the criticism and strip it of context.”
Bowing to political resistance from Republicans and some in his own party, Obama abandoned an effort and a campaign pledge to enact legislation that would put the first-ever limit on greenhouse gases.
In November, after Republicans took control of the House, Obama said in a news conference there were other ways to tackle global warming that wouldn’t require new legislation.
“His election was accompanied by intense hope that many things in need of change would change,” Gore writes. “Some things have, but others have not. Climate policy, unfortunately, falls into the second category.”
© Copyright 2011 The Associated Press.
Thulsa Doom
June 22nd, 2011
1:14 pm
josef@ 12:39 pm,
Just curious but is this also your experience that the Hispanic kids come to work in clean clothes, always do their homework, and are respectful of teachers?
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
June 22nd, 2011
1:16 pm
Thulsa:
Careful …………….. you’ll be called a racist.
josef
June 22nd, 2011
1:17 pm
Scout
Not to be flippant and try to answer your serious question in a more serious fashion. I am of the school of thought that got great-great-whatever grandpappy Machir his one-way ticket from Babylon to the wild woolies of the Charlemagne court. The recognition that the Levites and Kohanim are superfluous in the Diaspora, thus implies the “law” must evolve to deal with contemporary reality, laying the groundwork for the evolutionary interpretation of the tradition…
i speak the truth US
June 22nd, 2011
1:18 pm
I hate when some people on here say they would follow the steps to enter this country legally
Anyways most people come here illegally to help their family. Anyone in here would do the same.
Why wait years to come here legally when you can pay someone and be here in a couple of days? And start giving your family a better living?
Most Americans want RESULTS NOW and hate waiting and this follows the same principle.
anyways where is all the uproar of all the American companies that go overseas to hire?
willie lynch
June 22nd, 2011
1:18 pm
1811/1801 – 0311/0317
June 22nd, 2011
12:46 pm
I don’t know what it has to do with today’s topic but I’ll play.
It seems that the epidemic of Black crime which is extremely prevelant in the area of Black on Black might be the first concern of a Black man.
The fact that there are other groups caught up in the maddening ridiculousness of Black crime doesn’t suprise me at all. I find it sickening that a person can’t sit in their home without the door being kicked in or walk to their car without being accosted and most of the time we hear about these types of crimes it is young Black males who are the perpetrators.
There are many racists who don’t attack a person physically and do more lasting damage due to their ability to effect things to a greater degree and with much more subtltey. I would say the silence of the “Black intellegincia” (Walter Williams included) to speak to this is far more aggregious than anything else.
Black people must develope a sense of community among themselves again and then maybe we will show the world a better side of ourselves.
There’s no need to make excuses the Black community is broken.
Mr Right
June 22nd, 2011
1:19 pm
And why would Americans want to do hard work when they can feed a the gov. trough ?
Dave R.
June 22nd, 2011
1:20 pm
“Speaking as a kohan and levite?”
I didn’t know you were Irish!
And that’s COHAN, boyo!
WOODSTOCK MIKE
June 22nd, 2011
1:22 pm
@Kamchak
There is no reason to communicate with you, you are a lost cause… Sport… As you can see I have communicated with everyone that is reasonable unlike yourself.
josef
June 22nd, 2011
1:23 pm
BADA
you better be collecting and copywrighting these…! I want a first edition, autographed one!
Thulsa
That has been my in general with latino children and with “illegals” of any background…
Mr Right
June 22nd, 2011
1:24 pm
anyways where is all the uproar of all the American companies that go overseas to hire?
That might be better to take the jobs to the people that want to work than to give illegals jobs here and cause all kinds of problems.
josef
June 22nd, 2011
1:25 pm
DAVE
When somebody expressed surprize at the election of the first Jewish Lord Mayor of Dublin, he is supposed to have quipped, “Ay, ‘ave ye ne’er heerd of the Lepracohens?”
ray
June 22nd, 2011
1:27 pm
Thought all that whiny white trash was lined up to take these crap jobs when we got rid of them illegals?
Maybe the farmers could pay with meth?
WOODSTOCK MIKE
June 22nd, 2011
1:27 pm
@Joe Mama
Sorry I don’t follow, the GOP is not screaming at hispanics, that is simpy a false statement. Not wanting illegal aliens working in the country is not screaming at hispanics. This applies to all illegals. Just so happens most are hispanic. You seem to think that all hispanics are here illegally just to help their families, that is where you are greatly mistaken…
hola qué está pasando
June 22nd, 2011
1:28 pm
The guv’s social experiment? Useless Americans go toe to toe with industrious latinos. Americans lose. Ship the Americans south of the border.
Dream
June 22nd, 2011
1:29 pm
Yall said you wanted your jobs back!!!!!!!!!! In the words of the ever wise “Tag Team” WHOOP THERE IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO
getalife
June 22nd, 2011
1:30 pm
Rohbarker just went off on a gop bill in the house.
Weakens patent laws and increases spending for corporate power.
Stand up fiscal cons.
Thulsa Doom
June 22nd, 2011
1:30 pm
1811/1801 – 0311/0317 ,
I call it like I see it and I don’t give a hoot what people think. Too many people afraid to talk about what is plainly obvious for fear of being called racist. I say to hell with that. And I think the black leadership in this country needs to start being held accountable for the high rate of criminality of young black men rather than blaming society. They have opportunities and civil rights protections that were unheard of to their grandparents that actually went through the Jim Crow era and actually suffered real discrimination.
Thomas Sowell has also written extensively about the incidences of black racial attacks- particularly on Asians. His explanation is that its pent up resentment and anger of the success of this other minority group.
Speaking of all this I was listening to Boortz on the radio while driving to appts this morning and he was talking about the woman who jumped on the car hood of 3 young black men who brazenly just walked in, grabbed a few 12 packs of beer, and just walked out of a Walmart today. No one was going to do anything about it, this middle aged white woman had had enough of this crap, and jumped on the car hood to stop them. They were laughing at her trying to stop them. They weren’t laughing when the cops nailed all 3 of them a few moments later. I watched the video clip of it on the news when I got home this afternoon. Too funny. Boortz called the 3 thugs “urban gentleman”.
Soothsayer
June 22nd, 2011
1:31 pm
Chinese Government Buying Up the United States
The Chinese government is using sovereign wealth funds and Chinese state-owned enterprises to buy up economic assets and huge tracts of land all over the United States. Many of our politicians hail all of this “foreign investment” as something that is “good for America”, while many others see something much more sinister going on here. In any event, this is a trend that is rapidly accelerating and that is causing great concern among patriotic Americans.
[Y]ou do things like offer massive tax breaks to Chinese state-owned companies and you actively encourage immigration from China.
The following is a quote from an article on the New American website and it explains how a visa program known as EB-5 would help facilitate Project 60….
Specifically, “The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service administers an immigrant investor visa program called EB-5. The program grants foreigners permanent U.S. residency in exchange for helping create U.S. jobs.” This prong will facilitate the immigration of Chinese nationals into the United States for the purpose of establishing a Chinese industrial beachhead in Idaho, under the guise of creating U.S. jobs.
In fact, the state of Idaho is actually touting the EB-5 program on their website that promotes Project 60 .
Yes, Chinese state-owned companies would probably hire a small number of Idaho citizens. But as I have written about previously, the idea would be for ” special economic zones ” to be set up inside the United States that would be very similar to the “special economic zones” inside China.
Friends, if this doesn’t scare you, then nothing will. Is there no limit to which our scumbag politicians will stoop?
The Pettifoggers' Pettifog
June 22nd, 2011
1:32 pm
Oh my…………..it seems that the “racial righties” have come out to play. Now we get to hear Ms. T. Doom’s endless rants about “black people” and how they’re ruining society for the white man. Then we also get to hear Mrs. Numbers rants on how GOD hates the black man.
Now here comes WeeWillieWinkie, (with the blog name of WILLIE LYNCH — no doubt about his/her attitudes), talking about the Black Community — which by far their richer inhabitants “give back to” in droves — more so than any other minority community — but since the truth doesn’t sit well with racial purists then that statement will be denigrated for being truthful because anything that uplifts the “black folks” of America is nothing more, to the racial purists, than propaganda of the highest deegree!
……………alas poor, poor racial purists I knew them well.
BADA BING
June 22nd, 2011
1:32 pm
Americans are in a Catch 22. We are too fat and out of shape to pick food, and we are out of shape and fat because we eat too much food.
getalife
June 22nd, 2011
1:36 pm
The bill spends 1.1 billion to add to the deficit.
Sooth,
China can get some good deals in Greece.
Joe Mama
June 22nd, 2011
1:36 pm
Mike — “Sorry I don’t follow, the GOP is not screaming at hispanics, that is simpy a false statement.”
A lot of Hispanics perceive that y’all are, regardless of whether you mean to do it or not.
“Not wanting illegal aliens working in the country is not screaming at hispanics.”
Making the situation out to be the workers’ fault and targeting them via legislation *is.* I’ll believe y’all aren’t persecuting Hispanics when y’all go after lawbreaking businesses with the same vigor y’all have advocated going after the illegosos with.
“This applies to all illegals. Just so happens most are hispanic. You seem to think that all hispanics are here illegally”
I neither said nor thought anything of the sort. I’m pointing out that the legislation coming from your side of the aisle seems, more often than not, to be aimed at Hispanics. I can assure you, there are plenty of Caucasian immigrants walking around.
“just to help their families, that is where you are greatly mistaken”
Okay, Mike. I’ll bite, since you are so apparently plugged into the Hispanic mindset. Tell me why most illegosos are here.
josef
June 22nd, 2011
1:38 pm
Woodstock
I would not argue with that in principle, but all you have to do is scroll back over any thread and see the fast and loose usage of Hispanic and illegals and that contention falls apart in practice…
Dave R.
June 22nd, 2011
1:38 pm
Well, since we’ve had to put up with Pettifog’s “conservatives are too stupid to understand” rantings all morning, I guess a few “racist righties” are in order just for a little balance.
Thulsa Doom
June 22nd, 2011
1:41 pm
That has been my in general with latino children and with “illegals” of any background…- Josef
That does not surprise me. When I was in college I took several courses in Latin American studies due to my fondness for the region and my favorite professor was Dr. Ramirez. I was one of his favorite students and I even taught the man how to drive since he hadn’t driven a car in years. Anyway, he got very heated one day and made a very valid point in talking about the cultural differences in Hispanic students and Anglo students. He mentioned that Hispanic kids are generally more conservative- the girls are nowhere near as sexually promiscous as our Anglo girls and their kids don’t publicly talk gratuitously about sex, use explicit profanity, etc. in the same way that Anglo kids do. In those respects there manners and sense of decency was much better. From my own personal observations as an Anglo he was absolutely right.
josef
June 22nd, 2011
1:41 pm
JOE MAMA
…seems, more often than not, to be aimed at Hispanics. I can assure you, there are plenty of Caucasian immigrants walking around…”
Ten cuidado, mijo! That Caucasian-Hispanic thingie will get you hurt if an Argentine, Costa Rican, Uruguayan or Chilean hears ya!
Tundra Dude
June 22nd, 2011
1:42 pm
from AP article:
Conditions in the field are bruising, and the probationers didn’t seem to know what to expect.
Unlike the Mexican and Guatemalan workers, the probationers didn’t wear gloves to protect their hands from the small but prickly thorns on the vines and sandpaper-rough leaves.
They didn’t know what to expect……oh, darn…..somebody “forgot” to clue them in. This experiment sounds like it was designed to fail, imo. If I wanted a better success rate, think I’da told them what kind of gloves work best, and maybe shoes, also.
Considering very few live within walking distance of the fields, I’d arrange transportation and/or temp housing, maybe a company store, etc.
This appears to be an insincere effort by the Growers.
Thulsa Doom
June 22nd, 2011
1:45 pm
Pettifog,
In regards to the level of black criminality in the country today the truth is the truth. If you can’t deal with it then that’s on you- not my problem.
Truth goes through three stages. First it is derided and ridiculed. Then it is violently opposed. And then it is eventually accepted as a self- evident truth. You are in the first stage.
BADA BING
June 22nd, 2011
1:46 pm
michelle’s Fun and Fabulous Farm Fitness Facts
South GA Edition Redeux
After a hard day in the fields, slice a fresh cucumber and apply to your eyelids for 15 minutes. You will be refreshed and ready for that prision riot you have planned. Take no prisioners, tonite is your nite to shine!
Be sure to take some of that fresh, dewy produce back to jail with you. Is that a zuccini in your jumpsuit, or are you just happy to see Big Leon?
A poltice made of basil leaves and tomato seeds will soothe those tired feet before your pedicure
An insect repellent is a must. Don’t swat those flies and gnats. The armed guards don’t like any sudden movements. Manners, people!
Soothsayer
June 22nd, 2011
1:47 pm
The truth is that the Chinese can’t believe how stupid we are. 30 years ago, the Chinese economy was absolutely pathetic compared to the U.S. economy. But now they have almost surpassed us.
Why?
Well, we shipped them thousands of our factories, millions of our jobs and trillions of our dollars. It is insane what we are doing.
Now the Chinese are starting to colonize us.
Would we have ever allowed the Soviets to come in and buy up our companies and buy up huge tracts of land all over the country?
Yet somehow we have become convinced that it is okay for the communist Chinese to do it.
In fact, we even allow the Chinese to make many of the key electronic parts for our most advanced weapons systems.
It even turns out that some “counterfeit electronics” from suppliers in China have gotten into some of our military hardware.
We have become dangerously dependent on China.
In fact, if our relationship with China went south, there would be a lot of weapons systems that we would suddenly not be able to get parts for.
The people that originally decided that it was a good idea for China to produce electronics for our planes and weapons systems should resign immediately.
We are allowing the Chinese to dominate us in hundreds of different ways.
As China becomes wealthier and as the United States becomes poorer, all of this is only going to accelerate.
China is going to become even more dominant in the years ahead.
Should we all start learning to speak Chinese?
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article28808.html
The Pettifoggers' Pettifog
June 22nd, 2011
1:47 pm
Well, since we’ve had to put up with Pettifog’s “conservatives are too stupid to understand” rantings all morning, I guess a few “racist righties” are in order just for a little balance.
Well it’s better than listening to your rants about your impotence and “lack of vigor” yet AGAIN…..(yawn)
PS: I heard EXTENZE works — perhaps you should try it.
@@
June 22nd, 2011
1:51 pm
No ethnic slur intended. Dumb is dumb.
OK, so you’ve got a handgun and you’ve barricaded yourself inside a hotel room with a female hostage. What do you do next?
If you’re 36-year-old Jason Valdez, the answer is “update Facebook.”
Valdez allegedly held a woman hostage inside a Western Colony Inn in Ogden, Utah, in a 16-hour overnight standoff with SWAT teams, and managed to update his Facebook page the entire time.
“I’m currently in a stand off … kinda ugly but ready for whatever, I love u guyz and if I don’t make it out of here alive that I’m in a better place and u were all great friends….” Valdez wrote on his wall at 10:23 p.m. on June 17.
His friends and family then responded to his post, some with messages of support such as “Becareful homie much love to u…,” as well as less-supportive notes. One guy responded, “dude you’re an idiot.”
“Becareful homie much love to u…,”=lousy friend who doesn’t care
“dude you’re an idiot.”=good friend who does care
http://www.pcworld.com/article/230861/facebook_user_allegedly_takes_hostage_updates_status.html
Dave R.
June 22nd, 2011
1:53 pm
You know, Pettifog, a put-down is so much more effective when it:
A. Is based on some form of reality, and
B. Makes some kind of sense.
I suggest an extended stay at BADA BING’S Joke Emporium before trying again, son.
Joe Mama
June 22nd, 2011
1:54 pm
Josef — “Ten cuidado, mijo! That Caucasian-Hispanic thingie will get you hurt if an Argentine, Costa Rican, Uruguayan or Chilean hears ya!”
Way ahead of you, compadre. We’re seriously considering Uruguay as a retirement destination, and my wife will be darker than 75% of the folks down there.
keegor
June 22nd, 2011
1:55 pm
6 strong, if you paid them $10 an hour, the crop would rot before picked. there is something called the piece rate pay system. it rewards hard work. picking veggies is hardly a skill. there are no tough decisions these workers are making. all they do is bend and scoop. if they pick alot they get paid a lot. they get rewarded for high productivity. they can surpass $10 an hour. most citizens want to be paid more money for performing at the same level or doing the same job. that just doesnt make sense at all. at my company, only the folks who generate revenue, cut costs, or find better ways to do things increase their salary.
Dave R.
June 22nd, 2011
1:55 pm
Well, @@, there’s a reason why they’re criminals and not rocket scientists!
But that boy is just plain dumb!
Tundra Dude
June 22nd, 2011
1:55 pm
Mr Right @1:19
And why would Americans want to do hard work when they can feed a the gov. trough ?
You’re right, Mr. Right. The biggest trough is the subsidies. In Manhattan, there’s a slew of
millionaire “farmers”, collecting Millions for not farming.
The Making of Manhattan’s Elite Welfare Farmers
http://tinyurl.com/3np4byv
The Pettifoggers' Pettifog
June 22nd, 2011
1:58 pm
Pettifog, In regards to the level of black criminality in the country today the truth is the truth. If you can’t deal with it then that’s on you- not my problem.
Mrs. Doom you are soooo interested in the truth aren’t you? If so, then why do you consistently lie about yourself on these blogs? Since i’ve been reading them you’ve been (not necessarily in the same order):
A pilot.
A teacher.
A Woman of Business.
A Learned Professor.
A Half-Wit (my personal favorite).
A Dim-Wit (my second favorite).
And a psuedo David Duke (or was that Daisy Dukes?)
Anywhooo, if truth will set you free, when will we read the truth of your miserably lonely existence? You use subterfuge to distract yourself from your abysmal, downward and backward life. You only find joy in using your “supposed” superior intellect to belittle others on this blog and you just LOVE to find fault with any and every black person you’ve ever met.
I’m wondering Mrs. Doom – is your life so dank and dark that the only joy you have is found on a blog? No. Don’t answer that. The “truth” may be too much for you right now.
Just close your eyes, click the heels on your ruby red slippers, and say over and over again, “There’s no one like Reagan…….There’s no one like Reagan”. Find your happy place.
BADA BING
June 22nd, 2011
2:00 pm
Joe Mama….you are right. When I visit Rio, I am darker than some of the locals (I am Caucasian). In Venezuela and Argentina, the girls are blonde, redheaded, and brunette, in all skin tones. If you think all Hispanics look like Mexicans, you are mistaken.
The Pettifoggers' Pettifog
June 22nd, 2011
2:01 pm
Dave R – don’t get mad at ME because you can’t satisfy your dog Fido anymore.
pj
June 22nd, 2011
2:03 pm
dorae, I don’t think farmers HAVE a comfort zone.
Finn McCool
June 22nd, 2011
2:03 pm
Well, well, well. Sarah quits again.
Now I know why the Conservatives love her…
Fletch
June 22nd, 2011
2:04 pm
Chris – “Fletch…As soon as you agree to pay $4 per tomato and $6 per cucumber, we’ll get right on paying sharecroppers higher wages. You DO realize don’t you when the Cost of Doing Business (labor expense) go up SO DO the PRICES!”
Ummm… Never said that. Sorry all, I was out doing a job that no Americans will do. i.e. Helping one of our guys dig a drainage ditch.