So far, probationers don’t cotton to farm life

How’s it going down on the farm?

The Associated Press reports:

The first batch of probationers started work last week at a farm owned by Dick Minor, president of the Georgia Fruit and Vegetable Growers Association. In the coming days, more farmers could join the program.

So far, the experiment at Minor’s farm is yielding mixed results. On the first two days, all the probationers quit by mid-afternoon, said Mendez, one of two crew leaders at Minor’s farm.

“Those guys out here weren’t out there 30 minutes and they got the bucket and just threw them in the air and say, ‘Bonk this, I ain’t with this, I can’t do this,’” said Jermond Powell, a 33-year-old probationer. “They just left, took off across the field walking.”

Mendez put the probationers to the test last Wednesday, assigning them to fill one truck and a Latino crew to a second truck. The Latinos picked six truckloads of cucumbers compared to one truckload and four bins for the probationers.

Just as an aside, Minor Brothers Farm is listed as the second largest recipient of federal farm subsidies in the state, collecting a total of $11.4 million between 2000 and 2009.

– Jay Bookman

622 comments Add your comment

RedEye

June 22nd, 2011
8:40 am

Granny Godzilla

June 22nd, 2011
8:41 am

Maybe Bernie Madoff would be interested?

Mitt Romney is unemployed too.

Newt seems to have a pretty open schedule.

Finn McCool

June 22nd, 2011
8:41 am

Comparing the two sets of workers, what were the incentives?

Finn McCool

June 22nd, 2011
8:42 am

Granny,
Newt’s finance team is looking for something to do.

mwuahahahahahaha

USinUK

June 22nd, 2011
8:42 am

hrm. so maybe the illegals are doing jobs americans don’t want to do – even probationers

@@

June 22nd, 2011
8:44 am

Separating the men from the boys (no racial slur intended).

You go, Jesus!!!!!

Peadawg

June 22nd, 2011
8:45 am

Last month from Jay: We need to punish businesses who hire illegals.

Today from Jay: More complaining about punishing businesses who hire illegals.

Yawn.

Peadawg

June 22nd, 2011
8:46 am

OFF TOPIC:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110621/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_health_overhaul_glitch
“A married couple could have an annual income of about $64,000 and still get Medicaid”
“Up to 3 million more people could qualify for Medicaid in 2014 as a result of the anomaly.”

Fantastic (sarcasm)!!!!!!!

ty webb

June 22nd, 2011
8:47 am

Jay,
Who’s arguing that Latinos shouldn’t be allowed to work on these farms? Who’s arguing that Latinos aren’t hard workers? Please tell me you got something else…aterall, it’s pretty well established that those who would rather steal than work, don’t exactly have a strong work ethic.

jt

June 22nd, 2011
8:49 am

Is Bookman advocating such working conditions?———————-

“By law, each worker must earn minimum wage, or $7.25 an hour. But there’s an incentive system. “Harvesters get a green ticket worth 50 cents every time they dump a bucket of cucumbers. If they collect more than 15 tickets an hour, they can beat minimum wage.”
.
Progressives DO have a sense of humor.
They think it is amusing to make fun of a Republican policy…at the expense of a broken down “mexican” at 35 years old.
.
Maybe if it was a gay mexican…………………………………………………

SOUTHERN ATL

June 22nd, 2011
8:50 am

Is there some type of lottery to determine which farm the probationers will work on? If not, who has the highest priority?

Penny

June 22nd, 2011
8:51 am

Please excuse the broad generalization: These latinos are a people who have NOT forgotten how to work. But Americans are not fundamentally stupid, or lazy, and they are capable of learning how to work again. We can do anything. And we can become great again. Even if it’s only at picking produce.

RB from Gwinnett

June 22nd, 2011
8:51 am

Gee, you mean the “less fortunate” won’t do the jobs the illegals are here doing?

This is EXACTLY what that restaurant owner told you too, isn’t it Jay? Yet you left that relevant part of the story out.

You keep propping up this loser class and calling them “less fortunate” while they suck this nation dry. And the liberals are paving the path for them to continue with all their hand wringing and concern for them with other people’s money.

Jay

June 22nd, 2011
8:52 am

Nobody’s being forced to work anywhere, Southern.

professional skeptic

June 22nd, 2011
8:54 am

Like I’ve said… send ol’ brother Deal down there to pick crops on the weekends. He needs the extra scratch to pay off all the millions of bad personal and business debt he brought with him to the Governor’s office. He might as well get used to it before he becomes a probationer himself.

Mr. H. Gublomey

June 22nd, 2011
8:54 am

Penny, in the words of Ross Perot _it’s about computer chips, not potato chips.” Doing low value-add task will not make any country great.

Finn McCool

June 22nd, 2011
8:54 am

you mean the “less fortunate” won’t do the jobs the illegals

Less fortunate = criminals? Huh, Dave R?

RAMBLE ON!!!

June 22nd, 2011
8:55 am

Thanks to you Liberals and 2 years of unemployment benefits, why pick cotton and make less money in 95% heat?

Peadawg

June 22nd, 2011
8:55 am

From Jay’s column earlier this month:

“The pain this is causing is real. People are going to lose their crops, and in some cases their farms. The small-town businesses that supply those farms with goods and services are going to suffer as well. For economically embattled rural Georgia, this could be a major blow.”

Seems like Jay didn’t think it through either when he kept saying we need to punish businesses who hire illegals.

poison pen

June 22nd, 2011
8:57 am

With the millions that this guy got from us taxpayers I doubt if he even cares if his cukes are picked.

professional skeptic

June 22nd, 2011
8:57 am

RB from Gwinnett
June 22nd, 2011
8:51 am

RB, I like how you left out the relevant part of Wall St. sucking this nation dry out of your rant, and how the BIg Government Conservatives are paving the way for them to continue doing it.

Fletch

June 22nd, 2011
8:58 am

11.4 million in subsidies? How about paying wages that make it worth the time and effort to do the job. Could probably include bonuses as well. Or, keep complaining that we just can’t function without an undocumented workforce.

Keep in mind that illegal aliens don’t have the same “options” as regular citizens. Hence, they will do anything you tell them to. I seem to recall a similiar workforce here in Georgia some 180 years ago that pretty much did the same thing.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 22nd, 2011
8:58 am

If you read the full AP article which Jay has linked to, you’ll find that the probationers have been encouraged to work (accepting that at face value) for the same wages as that purportedly paid latino workers. The more experienced latino workers know how to dress for the weather and the work. The farmers apparently are not helping their own cause by making sure that the new workers are prepared. That said, it is hard back-breaking work.

Thomas

June 22nd, 2011
9:01 am

Don’t really follow this. This appears to be a poorly executed plan. So the probationers were sent to work in a field with no apparent economic incentive and no recourse to their actions? Shocking, really shocking, that they left? I would suggest a call to Captain of Cool Hand Luke fame. anyways

Finn McCool

June 22nd, 2011
9:01 am

Yeah, Fletch, perhaps if the farm paid a decent wage with benefits, we wouldn’t be having this discussion??

BADA BING

June 22nd, 2011
9:02 am

Don’t cotton to it? That was corny Jay. The probationers are a bunch of has-beans anyway, no one is gonna work hard for peanuts. This whole issue is small potatoes . We have to find a way to squash this immigration problem, we have plowed too much time and money into it. We need to weed out the troublemakers, and cultivate a new relationship with the farm workers. If we would all stop being mule-headed, we could patch up this mess. Grow up America.

Fletch

June 22nd, 2011
9:02 am

Keep – “That said, it is hard back-breaking work.’

No argument there. But not everyone gets to have an”easy” job. If that were tha case, I’d sell my shares to my partners and get in line.

Jay

June 22nd, 2011
9:02 am

No, Peadawg, I did think it through, and it’s going pretty much as I expected.

In this and other posts, including the interview with the restaurant owner, I’m merely trying to document the consequences of that policy, because it gets us to the second part of what we have to do:

Provide a pathway to legal status.

We need to prevent employers from hiring illegal immigrants, and we need to provide those immigrants already here a way to make themselves legal. The economic reality that we need those workers, which is now being driven home, should change some minds about amnesty provisions. A lot of conservative folks in South Georgia, for example, are a lot more open to that approach than they were a few months ago, I imagine.

You haven’t seen me condemn the focus on employers. To the contrary, I’ve written that the law could have been stronger. And what we’re seeing so far is merely the impact of those parts of the law affecting the migrants themselves. The portions affecting employers will be phased in gradually.

Mr_B

June 22nd, 2011
9:03 am

Stands: From downstairs: So now progressives are gonna adopt the cons “But Obama PROMISED” drivel?

From your link: “Energy Secretary Steven Chu announced”. A majority of American citizens didn’t vote for Chu. Obama’s got to figure out how (in the face of an opposition party that has no interests other than to insure his failure) how to manage two unpopular wars, deliver of a health care mandate that was a centerpiece of his canidacy, keep the economy from going completely belly up and the rest of very long list of things that have to happen right now; and we’re going to bitch about solar panels that aren’t yet installed.

Sheeesh.

carlosgvv

June 22nd, 2011
9:03 am

So these “African-American” probationers just don’t have the work ethic of the illegals. Are we honestly supposed to be suprised by this?

TM

June 22nd, 2011
9:03 am

It’s a simple example of supply and demand. At the present wage rate the demand for workers is substantially higher than the supply. The farmer must increase his wage rate until he find the rate where the worker supply the work. The farmer then must try to pass this cost onto the consumer which would be easy if Georgia and Arizona were the only States producing cucumbers. Like Boeing the farmers will leave States that have high labor costs and move the operations to other States were the labor costs are lower in order to compete with the global market

Bosch

June 22nd, 2011
9:03 am

“You keep propping up this loser class and calling them “less fortunate” while they suck this nation dry.”

One thing the “all those on welfare are losers and are ruining our nation” camp does not seem to understand is that it actually helps our economy — yes, even the private sector part of it — to help them out financially. How you say? They SPEND I would wager 100% of what they get back into the economy for things like food, clothes, utilities, etc. It’s not like they are investing it in Southern Company stock or socking it away in trust funds for their kids. If we yank these measley checks away from them, we’d still have to spend money on them either by incarcerating them when they steal things, or by scraping their bodies up off the street when they die in a cardboard box under the bridge.

Dave R.

June 22nd, 2011
9:04 am

“Less fortunate = criminals? Huh, Dave R?”

Uh, Finn? Don’t drag me into your tiff with RB, OK?

What IS it with you libs and your crush on me? ;)

poison pen

June 22nd, 2011
9:04 am

Fletch

“11.4 million in subsidies? How about paying wages that make it worth the time and effort to do the job. Could probably include bonuses as well. Or, keep complaining that we just can’t function without an undocumented workforce.”

Fletch, Good point, how much could the farmer have paid his workers if the subsidy was split up among his workers?.
The farmer would probably find another job.

RAMBLE ON!!!

June 22nd, 2011
9:05 am

“Provide a pathway to legal status”

How about getting in line like everybody else Jay?

poison pen

June 22nd, 2011
9:05 am

Bosch

June 22nd, 2011
9:03 am

“You keep propping up this loser class and calling them “less fortunate” while they suck this nation dry.”

One thing the “all those on welfare are losers and are ruining our nation” camp does not seem to understand is that it actually helps our economy — yes, even the private sector part of it — to help them out financially. How you say? They SPEND I would wager 100% of what they get back into the economy for things like food, clothes, utilities, etc. It’s not like they are investing it in Southern Company stock or socking it away in trust funds for their kids. If we yank these measley checks away from them, we’d still have to spend money on them either by incarcerating them when they steal things, or by scraping their bodies up off the street when they die in a cardboard box under the bridge.

Bosch, one of the few times that I agree with you.

Peadawg

June 22nd, 2011
9:07 am

“Provide a pathway to legal status.” – There already is one. Why do we need glorified amnesty/path to legal status/shortcut/whatever you want to call it when there’s already a path in place? I suspect those who migrated here legally would be pretty pissed if a shortcut was put into place.

“You haven’t seen me condemn the focus on employers.” – No. All you’ve done is complain about what you wanted in the first place.

Fletch

June 22nd, 2011
9:07 am

Finn – “Yeah, Fletch, perhaps if the farm paid a decent wage with benefits, we wouldn’t be having this discussion??”

Not sure, I’m only speaking from experience. All of our employees at both beef outfits make pretty good money, and we provide full benefits for them. Ranch work is inherently dangerous, dirty work that invloves long hours and requires working in extreme weather (sometimes it’s 20 degrees BELOW 0). It’s just good business sense to take care of your employees.

Finn McCool

June 22nd, 2011
9:07 am

Uh, Finn? Don’t drag me into your tiff with RB, OK?

My bad, Dave.

RB, why do you equate the less fortunate with criminals?

Jay

June 22nd, 2011
9:07 am

Who said that they are all or even mostly African American, Carlos?

More importantly, what’s the relevance of it?

I mean, unless you are into categorizing and stereotyping people by race. If that’s your intent, I could see why race would be relevant. But again, we don’t know the racial breakdown of the probationers in question.

Mr_B

June 22nd, 2011
9:08 am

Jay: the pathway needs to be more than to legal status: it needs to be a pathway to entry to this country that can actually be followed legally. If you are a Mexican national it can take years to jump through all the financial and bureaucratic hoops to get a visa. Somebody whose kids are starving or the object of drug violence doesn’t have years to wait.

Bosch

June 22nd, 2011
9:08 am

carlos,

Are you just assuming them to be black? No where in the article does it mention that.

poison pen

June 22nd, 2011
9:08 am

Carlosgvv, Where in the article does it say anything about Blacks?.

Bosch

June 22nd, 2011
9:08 am

Dang Jay, what kind of Coke can I get ya’?

ty webb

June 22nd, 2011
9:09 am

“Provide a pathway to legal status”

What Jay really means is a “pathway to voter registration”.

@@

June 22nd, 2011
9:09 am

By law, each worker must earn minimum wage, or $7.25 an hour. But there’s an incentive system. Harvesters get a green ticket worth 50 cents every time they dump a bucket of cucumbers. If they collect more than 15 tickets an hour, they can beat minimum wage.

The Latino workers moved furiously for the extra pay.

Jose Ranye, 37, bragged he’s the best picker in Americus, the largest community near the farm. His whirling hands filled one bucket in 25 seconds. He said he dumped about 200 buckets of cucumbers before lunch, meaning he earned roughly $20 an hour.

$20.00 an hour if ‘ya hump to dump!!??!!

YOU GO, JOSE!!!!

Heck! I don’t make $20.00 an hour now. Didn’t make $20.00 an hour when I was crating apricots in California. I hate apricots…not because I worked with ‘em…they’re fuzzy little fruits.

Peadawg

June 22nd, 2011
9:09 am

What Jay really means is amnesty.

Fixed your typo, ty. :)

Bosch

June 22nd, 2011
9:09 am

poison pen,

Well miracles do happen, it’s amazing to me that people just think these people will vanish.

Brosephus

June 22nd, 2011
9:09 am

And what does their race have to do with anything carlos? I don’t recall any stampede of Caucasian-Americans to the fields either. I figured it wouldn’t take long before race was interjected, and some of you so called conservatives never fail your duty to use it.

Normal

June 22nd, 2011
9:09 am

Bring ‘em all back, make them legal, and put them to work. To appease the GOP, divide them in half and make one half Democrat and one half Republicans… :D

Jay

June 22nd, 2011
9:10 am

There is no pathway, Peadawg.

And when have you heard me complain about it? Documenting its impacts does not equate to complaining.

poison pen

June 22nd, 2011
9:10 am

Jay ,After reading Carlos post, now you know why some people on here call other people stupid.

Jay

June 22nd, 2011
9:11 am

Amnesty? Yes, Peadawg. That’s what I’m saying. You’re right about that much.

kayaker 71

June 22nd, 2011
9:12 am

What exactly is a probationer?

Bosch

June 22nd, 2011
9:12 am

poison pen,

“now you know why some people on here call other people stupid”

And why some call them racist.

poison pen

June 22nd, 2011
9:13 am

Brosephus

And what does their race have to do with anything carlos? I don’t recall any stampede of Caucasian-Americans to the fields either. I figured it wouldn’t take long before race was interjected, and some of you so called conservatives never fail your duty to use it.

Bro, Please don’t put Carlos into the cons pot, he rants against big business all the time, if anything he is a lib.

ty webb

June 22nd, 2011
9:13 am

Not to defend Carlos, but the same question goes to Jay. The bill is aimed at illegal immigration, yet Jay’s the one that brought “latinos” into it. Seems he’s the one who brought up the “racial breakdown” of the illegals.

poison pen

June 22nd, 2011
9:14 am

Bosch, very true.

Jay

June 22nd, 2011
9:15 am

kayaker, a probationer is someone convicted of a relatively minor crime who is put on court-supervised probation rather than be sentenced to serve actual jail time.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 22nd, 2011
9:16 am

K71 — A probationer is a person who has been sentenced for a legal violation to report periodically to a probation officer.

BlahBlahBlah

June 22nd, 2011
9:16 am

Determine the nationwide need for workers. If it’s 500,000 agriculture workers, issue 500,000 temporary visas. Give the workers temporary worker ID’s and a temporary worker EIN’s. Employers must withhold 15% of their pay from their check and send it to Uncle Sam and issue a W-2 at the end of the year, to make sure the workers pay taxes on their income. $100,000 fine, per occurrance, for any business that is caught paying the workers under the table to avoid the withholding rules.

Problem solved.

poison pen

June 22nd, 2011
9:18 am

A probationer can also be let out of prison and put on probation to make sure they stay within the law.

BADA BING

June 22nd, 2011
9:18 am

carlos was just playing the odds that they were black. The same way that I would say if the probationers were prisioners from rural South GA, I would bet that they are in jail for DUI and meth.

Peadawg

June 22nd, 2011
9:19 am

“There is no pathway, Peadawg.” – There’s no pathway? Really? REALLY? If there’s no pathway, then how do people from other countries become citizens currently? Is there not a process in place for them to become a citizen? Stoopid comment, Jay.

“And when have you heard me complain about it? Documenting its impacts does not equate to complaining.” – When you write 1-2 columns a week about the impacts…it sounds like complaining.

“Amnesty? Yes, Peadawg. That’s what I’m saying. You’re right about that much.” – Then why do you always sugar coat it by saying “a pathway to legal status”? We all know what you mean.

jt

June 22nd, 2011
9:20 am

Google Georgia Farm “crisis”.
..Or Dick Minor.
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One name ……………..Dick Minor keeps coming up. And ONLY Dick Minor.Dick Minor is a political operative, a democrat and a major Tax-payer parasite(sorry for the redundancy) .Minor Dick my azzzzzzz……………..I will make an attempt to not buy his political cukes…….not unlike I did when Pilgrims chicken complained about FOLLOWING THE LAW.
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No one else is complaining.
This is a manufactored “crisis” .(as usual, progressives are on the wrong side).
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Let any farmer who complains……watch his produce rot in the field.This will make room for real farmers who do not need to suck on Uncle Sam’s teeeet.

poison pen

June 22nd, 2011
9:20 am

BlahBlahBlah, I have also stated this several times on this blog, it’s the only way to solve this problem.

Jay

June 22nd, 2011
9:20 am

Poison, that would be parole, not probation. Parolees tend to be convicted of more serious crimes and serve at least a portion of their sentence.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 22nd, 2011
9:21 am

Jay, actually they may have served some time or been incarcerated while awaiting trial which may be “time served.” Also not all have been convicted. There are plea programs where the alleged matter is such that rather than fight the matter, the jurisdiction and the alleged violator agree that if the alleged violator keeps their nose clean during probation, the charges will be dropped and no record made. A little different from a first offender.

poison pen

June 22nd, 2011
9:23 am

Heck, I think my wife has had me on probation for 47 years.

ty webb

June 22nd, 2011
9:24 am

So the illegal immigrant(slave labor) employment pool will dry up. Seems there will be a need for more ingenious farmers who can learn how to be more efficient with fewer employers or ones who can be creative in how to keep their costs down so they can afford higher wages to hire more employers…I wouldn’t hold our breath, but who knows? We may just find our next “Eli Whitney” with the passage of this bill.

Jay

June 22nd, 2011
9:24 am

According to the Federal Election Commission, Richard Minor of Americus Ga. has donated almost exclusively to Republican candidates. The exception is a $1,000 contribution to U.S. Rep. Sanford Bishop, a Democrat.

He isn’t, however, especially active in the political field and I see only one small donation to the current state Ag commissioner at the state level.

Truth

June 22nd, 2011
9:25 am

Why should they work when you are going to give them everything they want???????????????????????

jconservative

June 22nd, 2011
9:25 am

Unless you have pulled corn in the August sun day after day, I am not sure you are entitled to an opinion.

JohnnyReb

June 22nd, 2011
9:25 am

It’s assumed the probationers were without employment or else would not have tried field work. It is further assumed that without employment they are receiving unemployment checks or other forms of government assistance. Since they have refused to be employed, will the assistance stop? No. Therein lies the problem. A system where you will still eat without working.

blue_unicorn

June 22nd, 2011
9:25 am

How’s it going down on the (farm) mega-million dollar agri-business?

Bosch

June 22nd, 2011
9:26 am

“We may just find our next “Eli Whitney” with the passage of this bill”

Eli Whitney was a fraud.

RB from Gwinnett

June 22nd, 2011
9:26 am

“The economic reality that we need those workers”

No, Jay, we have the workers to do those jobs, but we keep providing them a means to go through life without having to do the work their education (mostly HS dropouts) has afforded them. All that money going to section 8 housing, food stamps, power bill subsidies, etc, etc, etc. is enabling them to get by without having to actually work for a living.

If you really want to do a story on what’s going on with this work force, you should try employing these “less fortuate” for a few months and see what a nightmare the employer faces when trying to deal with them. I have.

Bosch, if you really think me having to work for the money some lazy do-nothing parasite has to spend is a good thing, you are a complete idiot. Do your nation a favor and stop voting.

professional skeptic

June 22nd, 2011
9:26 am

When ol’ Gub’ner Deal becomes a probationer himself, he can use his Diamond SkyMiles Status to tie a bunch of turnips to the tail end of a Delta 747, and then pop them all out of the ground pretty quick, I’d imagine, depending on the strength of the twine he uses.

Bosch

June 22nd, 2011
9:27 am

“It is further assumed that without employment they are receiving unemployment checks or other forms of government assistance. ”

Nope Reb, not a sure fire assumption.

Truth

June 22nd, 2011
9:27 am

You stupid people keep falling in the same trap, YOU keep calling them illegal immigrants. They have no intention of being immigrants. They are illegal aliens!!!!!!!

Thomas

June 22nd, 2011
9:28 am

For you non (American) footballers his last name is James. The story has stuck with me for decades. F all of you who don’t believe in the great American worker and his or her desire. Especially those of you who think that only whites have work ethic.

Edgerrin didn’t have much time for drugs, anyway. If he wasn’t on the football field, he was in a watermelon patch earning money to support his family. Beginning in the summer of 1993, he made seasonal trips to southern Georgia where he worked 16-hour days in the sweltering heat loading watermelons onto trailers. His strength and stamina were legendary. Indeed, no one could “bump” watermelons better or longer than Edgerrin.

Bosch

June 22nd, 2011
9:29 am

“if you really think me having to work for the money some lazy do-nothing parasite has to spend is a good thing, you are a complete idiot. ”

Well good, I’m not an idiot because I don’t think it’s a good thing, I think it’s a necessary thing though. And like I wrote, we will wind up spending money on them one way or another, so why not do it in a way that helps the economy.

And no RB, I will be voting until my cold dead fingers can no longer push the buttons. Why do you hate democracy?

Fletch

June 22nd, 2011
9:29 am

jconservative – “Unless you have pulled corn in the August sun day after day, I am not sure you are entitled to an opinion.”

I’ve branded cattle, driven herds and pounded fence post holes by hand day after day. In 100 degree weather and sub zero storms. Can I still comment? :)

@@

June 22nd, 2011
9:30 am

BlahBlahBlah:

Problem solved.

Absolutely! That’s the way it was done California during my fruit picking days.

Bottom line?

Everybody who works picking produce eventually turns brown, or eventually black…in my case. From white…to brown…to black. Back to white during the winter months. I s’pose some folks go thru the red stage.

Bosch

June 22nd, 2011
9:30 am

And RB, why don’t you call poison pen an idiot too since he agreed with my comment?

josef

June 22nd, 2011
9:32 am

This is really kind of funny…and, yep, it’s panning out just about as he and anybody else who could see beyond their spiteful noses would have “predicted.” And the posts here show that slapped upside the head with the reality of unintended consequences, there’s that lot who just can’t let go of their prejudices, biases, bigotries and what have you. This is what happens when you go feel-good and quick fix…

Now, I have a question…if the Messicans and company are the ones committing all those crimes and filling up our jails…you mean the probationers weren’t latino? They’re all African Americans…eh? Sounds like a case of racial preference here to me…

Oh, @@, you leave the fuzzy little fruits out of this! ISH

kayaker 71

June 22nd, 2011
9:33 am

Let’s see….. A bunch of convicted criminals are let loose on some Democrat contributors farm on one of these really hot days to pick cucumbers. They are then compared with a bunch of Mexicans who are doing the same thing to see how productive they are. Most anyone would know that a bunch of crack dealers would rather sell their product or collect a government check than pick cucumbers. This comparison was doomed from the start. Must have had some kind of political motive. Wonder what it was?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 22nd, 2011
9:34 am

Well, no wonder it never worked. You got to set the right work conditions—spread the word to these people on probation that each cucumber will bring 5 bucks on the black market, sort of the way crooks are able to sell copper wiring in air conditioning. I bet them cucumbers would all be gone in two hrs.

jt

June 22nd, 2011
9:35 am

“According to the Federal Election Commission, Richard Minor of Americus Ga. has donated almost exclusively to Republican candidates. The exception is a $1,000 contribution to U.S. Rep. Sanford Bishop, a Democrat.”

Sorry to fall into the false dichotomy. Cronys are cronys.Calling a Democrat a Republican is as silly as calling the civilian-killing Libyan war a kinetic military exercise.
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It is still a dog.
Cronyism runs as deep as a turnip root here in Georgia.

The Pettifoggers' Pettifog

June 22nd, 2011
9:35 am

Oh goody RB is here……..again!!! Why RB you are a very faithful, (if not somewhat scary), beau. RB don’t give up hope, if you keep stalking……..ummm………faithfully following JB around it may very well pay off (it might not, but give it the old college try anyway!).

carlosgov: So these “African-American” probationers just don’t have the work ethic of the illegals. Are we honestly supposed to be suprised by this?

why do you think they’re all A.A’s there carlos? I’m waiting with bated breath for your answer.

Thomas: Shocking, really shocking, that they left? I would suggest a call to Captain of Cool Hand Luke fame

What we have here is a failure to communicate……….

BADA BING

June 22nd, 2011
9:36 am

Rotton crops, while tragic, are not a total loss. Farmers do it sometimes to fertilize and build the soil. It is an established practice. You city folks may not have heard the term, ‘plowing it under’.

Garth

June 22nd, 2011
9:36 am

I was in charge of handling field crews picking beans in the 80’s. We couldn’t get the blacks to work in the heat. Somehow they equated work with slavery and all they wanted to do was drink water and sit in the shade. At least hispanics have a work ethic–something most blacks don’t have.

josef

June 22nd, 2011
9:36 am

“jconservative – “Unless you have pulled corn in the August sun day after day, I am not sure you are entitled to an opinion.”

I’ve chopped and picked cotton and grubbed sweet potatoes…can I comment? :-)

RxDawg

June 22nd, 2011
9:38 am

And why are they allowed to quit?

“What we got here is, failure to communicate.”

You quit? Another 30 days of probabtion… see ya tomorrow.

ty webb

June 22nd, 2011
9:39 am

I’ve played a few eighteen on very hot days. Sometimes I can’t even get a tee time before noon…can I comment?

Whacks Eloquent

June 22nd, 2011
9:40 am

I still think it shows the pathetic state of our society – here we have over 10% unemployment, and then at the same time these agribusinesses are looking for thousands of workers. The American work ethic has gone to pot…we have become a nation of silver-spooners, even down to the most impoverished. They feel that this work is “beneath them”.

A few years back when I was unemployed, I would have at least tried this work. Would it have sucked? Yeah, of course. Would I have done well? Probably not. But it does pay, and pays decent. My only opportunity was to take a minimum wage job at a hardware store. Guess what? I did it! Rather than just sit at home and feel sorry for myself, I went out and did what I could. At the same time I was working a second job delivering pizzas, and a third as a vacation property inspector. Hence, I have very little sympathy for the probationers. They made stupid decisions, and should have to live with the consequences. A bit of hard work would do them some good.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 22nd, 2011
9:40 am

FROM LAST NIGHT:

Dave R:

You are entitled to your opinion. “I” respect that.

That said, I saw good Marines die just so an high ranking officers could punch their “ticket” for a promotion. That’s the real world. Bad policy was wrong then and it’s wrong now.

There are Sgt. Majors, there are officers and then there is the Corps.

My allegience will always be to the Corps. If you can’t understand the difference I can’t help you.

Kind of like my allegience is to the Constitution ………. not the president or anyone else.

See my points to Jay below if you wish.

Jay
June 21st, 2011
10:24 pm

“Scout, he’s [Sgt. Major of the Mairne Corps] not doing a disservice to the Corps. He is ordering his Marines to live by the laws of the United States of America. If you have a problem with that, well … you have a problem.”

Jay:

First of all, DADT is still the law of the land so I assume you are in full support of obeying the law as is right now. Correct?

If I am not mistaken, a gay service person was discharged last week.

Second, when the law changes it is to be obeyed.

Third, one can choose to not join the Corps because of it or leave as soon as they can …………… or stay. It’s up to them.

Fourth, when the Sgt. Major says, “get over it” he has CROSSED THE LINE.

Roe vs. Wade is the law of the land but telling me to “get over it” (or not try to “change it back”) is WRONG and that is where the Sgt. Major is WRONG and where he overstepped his authority !

BTW:

I’m betting the Sgt. Major thinks USMC bootcamp should continue to be separated by sex and that women should not be in the combat arms.

Now if that’s true …………. I am sure you AGREE with his position since he is so omniscient.

P.S.

Since crossing the U.S. border without proper authority is against the law, I also assume that you believe illegal immigrants should obey our laws. Correct ?

Or do you like to pick and choose which laws are obeyed based on your political viewpoint?

P.S.

I am off for the morning but I RELISH getting back into this when I return.

Bosch

June 22nd, 2011
9:41 am

jconservative, josef, and ty,

I’ve never pulled corn off the stalk, but I sure have shucked hundreds of bushels of it, and beans too — that’s about the only time I got to talk to my grandma in the summer time.

Can I comment? :)

Peadawg

June 22nd, 2011
9:41 am

““What we got here is, failure to communicate.””

This is a better link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1fHxPY3TJo

williebkind

June 22nd, 2011
9:42 am

Ok Jay let’s put probationers working in construction where I saw plenty of illegals working making $15 an hour. But that is another subject. Now let me get this straight. These probationers were people who have displayed behavior to take the easy way out or most profit for the least effort–right? Now you give them a real job and they took off. Who gave them the authority to take off? Should they go directly to jail? I bet most have child support payments. They can simply walk off the job? The is a poor effort to work people and a typical example of a liberal to promote their ideology from half-truths. I am not falling for this garbage.