Most voters would back Mormon or gay, but not an atheist
In a new Gallup poll, 22 percent of Americans say they would not vote for a “generally well-qualified person for president who happened to be Mormon.”
That’s the same number since Gallup began asking the question back in 1967, when George Romney, father of Mitt, was running for president. However, as Gallup notes, 25 percent of Americans in 1959 said they wouldn’t vote for a Catholic, and one year later John Kennedy was elected president.
A few other tidbits:
– Democrats (27 percent) were more likely than Republicans (18 percent) to reject a Mormon candidate.
– Two-thirds of Americans said they would support a well-qualified presidential candidate who happened to be gay, compared to only 26 percent in 1978.
– Eighty-nine percent said they would support a Jewish candidate. Again, it’s interesting to track that historically. Before World War II and the terrors of the Holocaust (1937), only 46 percent would support a Jew for president. By 1958, it had risen to 62 percent, and by the ’60s it reached 80 percent.
– Fewer than half — 49 percent — would support an otherwise well-qualified candidate who happened to be atheist. But that too has changed. In 1958, the first year it was asked, just 18 percent would have supported an atheist.
– Ninety-four percent say they would back a black candidate. That number didn’t top 50 percent until the mid-Sixties, jumping nine points — 48 percent to 59 percent — between 1963 and 1965, testament to the mind-changing power of the civil rights movement. It jumped another 14 points — 79 percent to 93 percent — between 1987 and 1997. It’s pure speculation, but that’s also the rough time frame in which Bill Cosby dominated the TV ratings as Dr. Cliff Huxtable.
– Today, 93 percent would vote for a woman, but in 1969 only 53 percent of Americans were willing to say that. The crucial jump in support for female candidates occurred as the women’s lib movement took off. By 1971, that number had hit 66 percent, a 13-point increase in just two years.
You hear a lot of people talk about how much America has changed, and they seldom imply it’s for the better. But in many ways the changes of the last 50 years have made this a much better, stronger and united nation.
– Jay Bookman
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AmVet
June 21st, 2011
9:44 am
“AmVet, there you go. It is a true statement.”
B, please expound and give some reasons, so we can discuss, OK?
If I understand, you clearly were against AA from day 1, correct?
USinUK
June 21st, 2011
9:45 am
Bosch – c-lassic!
Brosephus
June 21st, 2011
9:45 am
Yet Obama retained the guy’s who were in charge of Bush’s fiscal policy’s.
I think it’s kinda like making people clean up their own messes. Many CEO’s do not fire every VP and senior manager on their first day at the head of a corporation. They usually take stock of what they have and make changes from there.
And Obama extended the “bush” tax cuts.
He wanted them only for $250k and under, however the GOP had a Grand Mal because their donors were not included to get their “full” tax cuts. Nevermind the fact that their first $250k would have still had the tax breaks. But, just keep making the short statements neglecting all facts as you have done so far.
And Obama retained Bush’s CIA director. And Obama rehired Bush’s generals.
Once again, continuance of operations. You don’t change generals mid battle if you expect to be victorious.
And Obama hasn’t closed Gitmo.
Wrong. Obama signed a resolution closing it in 2009. CONGRESS hasn’t closed Guantanamo by refusing to fund Obama’s resolution. Once again, facts do not seem to be your friend.
And Obama followed Bush’s strategy in Iraq. And Obama followed Bush’s strategy in Afgan, with escalations.
Seems like Obama drew down in Iraq because the course was already set by Bush. What did you want Obama to do, send more troops to Iraq? Obama campaigned that he thought Afghanistan was the war we should be fighting, so he’s merely following through on his campaigning. If that’s being like Bush, then he’s guilty.
a reader
June 21st, 2011
9:45 am
well that’s nice talk and all, but only the ones that can be presented as passing the american litmus will ever get the ticket. so its still married with children, pets, and churches. but still, nice talk and all…
@@
June 21st, 2011
9:46 am
I’m gonna target this one:
– Democrats (27 percent) were more likely than Republicans (18 percent) to reject a Mormon candidate.
and this one:
– Fewer than half — 49 percent — would support an otherwise well-qualified candidate who happened to be atheist.
The first would indicate a left-wing bias against religion of any kind.
The second? 49% have witnessed the tactics used by the anti-religious left and would prefer they not gain a foothold in the WH.
the truth hurts
June 21st, 2011
9:46 am
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 21 Jun 2011 at 01:43:42 PM GMT is:
$14,358,924,935,365.92
That is $14+ trillion for the graduates of Atlanta public schools.
The estimated population of the United States is 310,793,614 so each citizen’s share of this debt is $46,200.84.
The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $3.93 billion per day since September 28, 2007!
midtownguy
June 21st, 2011
9:46 am
“Government Handouts”; would those be food stamps? Agricultural subsidies? Business tax breaks? Mortgage interest tax deductions? Pell Grants? Tax deductions for children? HOPE Scholarships?
blue_unicorn
June 21st, 2011
9:47 am
“And unless George W Bush, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, or George HW Bush run in 2012, Barack Obama will be the most qualified candidate.”
Obama was not qualified in ‘08. After 2 1/2 years on the job, Obama is still not qualified to be POTUS.
ABO in ‘12.
BMDPD
June 21st, 2011
9:47 am
USinUK, I was merely taking a little jab. Sorry if it went over your head. It shows the box in which you think, though.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 21st, 2011
9:50 am
Looks like “the truth hurts” alarm clock has finally woken him up after hitting snooze in the Bush years.
emmysmom
June 21st, 2011
9:51 am
Unless you do care for a person/statement/belief/position/etc., the phrase, “I could care less,” is incorrect. It would mean one has to care to be able to care less. If you truly don’t care, the correct phrase is, “I couldn’t care less.” There….got that pet peeve off my mind!
blue_unicorn
June 21st, 2011
9:51 am
“Wrong. Obama signed a resolution closing it in 2009. CONGRESS hasn’t closed Guantanamo by refusing to fund Obama’s resolution. Once again, facts do not seem to be your friend.”
Brosephus – Dems held majority in the House and Senate. Care to explain?
Good little liberal
June 21st, 2011
9:51 am
midtownguy
“overnment Handouts”; would those be food stamps? Agricultural subsidies? Business tax breaks? Mortgage interest tax deductions? Pell Grants? Tax deductions for children? HOPE Scholarships?”
You are sort of bouncing back and forth between Federal and state.
Bosch
June 21st, 2011
9:51 am
USinUK,
Yeah, it shows your box. I guess you don’t think it’s funny that many children in rural America died before reaching adulthood 100 years ago?
BMDPD
June 21st, 2011
9:51 am
AmVet, no I would not have been against AA from day 1. Just like I would not have been against Unions from day 1. However, it is my OPINION (notice capitalization) that they both have run their course so to speak. In 2011 people (with a Black president) people should not be hired based on quotas. In the 60s and 70s yes.
USinUK
June 21st, 2011
9:53 am
well, B, considering the comment makes no sense when applied to Bosch’s comment about corporations, the only other option was your comment about natural selection had to do with the black community … I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.
Bosch
June 21st, 2011
9:53 am
“Dems held majority in the House and Senate. Care to explain?”
Not a majority enough to matter. You don’t remember the “we aren’t gonna have those terrorists in prisons in my district!” discussions?
BMDPD
June 21st, 2011
9:53 am
Forgive me for using people twice.
the truth hurts
June 21st, 2011
9:53 am
midtownguy
“Government Handouts”
Definition: Money from government to unproductive resources.
Is big business unproductive: No. And those they employ pay hundreds of millions to the US treasury.
Is agriculture unproductive: No. And those they employ pay hundreds of millions to the US treasury.
Mortage Interest Tax Deductions: Those who own homes pay state/local property taxes and pay ~%70 of the personal income tax receipts of the government.
agnostic annie
June 21st, 2011
9:54 am
what part of illegal, oops, er no religous test don’t you understand.
Good little liberal
June 21st, 2011
9:54 am
blue_unicorn
A community organizer is not qualified to lead the military and control the economy of the most powerful nation the world has even known?
But . . . but . . he went to Harvard!!!
USinUK
June 21st, 2011
9:54 am
Bosch – 9:51 – well, I am kinda funny that way about infant mortality. (shrug) whatchagonnado
(bring on the “but…but…but… you’re pro-ABORTION, you HATE KIDS” brigade”)
Bosch
June 21st, 2011
9:54 am
“You are sort of bouncing back and forth between Federal and state.”
And? Aren’t they all “government handouts” by definition?
Doggone/GA
June 21st, 2011
9:55 am
“Dems held majority in the House and Senate. Care to explain?”
“Dems” think for themselves and don’t vote in lockstep.
Joe Mama
June 21st, 2011
9:55 am
@@ — “The first would indicate a left-wing bias against religion of any kind.”
Riiiight. A minority of Democratic voters in this poll say they would likely reject a mormon candidate out of hand, and you extend that to suddenly mean that *most or all* Democratic voters would reject *most of all* candidates of faith.
You’re making a pretty unjustifiable leap of statistical faith here, Ma’am.
“The second? 49% have witnessed the tactics used by the anti-religious left and would prefer they not gain a foothold in the WH.”
What tactics would those be? Holding a peaceful demonstration on the Washington Mall? ‘Cause I’ve done that, and the people the cops were hauling off for causing trouble were the ones holding the SINNERS BURN IN HELL signs, not the ones holding the DON’T PRAY IN MY SCHOOL AND I WON’T THINK IN YOUR CHURCH signs.
stands for decibels
June 21st, 2011
9:55 am
finally woken him up after hitting snooze in the Bush years.
Yeah, kinda like how allah sudden the Goopers are concerned about abuse of the War Powers Act.
I’d bet an airlifted pallet of crisp, shrink-wrapped Benjamins that if we get another Godly-GOP-War-Preznit in the Oval Office, the mass amnesia about congressional oversight on that score will begin anew.
Radney
June 21st, 2011
9:56 am
Gays should be put in gas chambers like Hitler did them. Ugh Think of what they do
Bosch
June 21st, 2011
9:56 am
” community organizer is not qualified to lead the military and control the economy of the most powerful nation the world has even known? ”
Well, one could argue that Obama has done better than Bush did, I mean, he didn’t get us into another military clusterf*ck and has done a great job of cleaning up the one Bush got us into.
the truth hurts
June 21st, 2011
9:56 am
Bosch
June 21st, 2011
9:53 am
“Dems held majority in the House and Senate. Care to explain?”
Not a majority enough to matter.
BS. The Dems were 1 vote away from a filibuster proof majority in the Senate and had a ~50 vote majority in the house.
Under Obama’s leadership they chose to “fix” healthcare and ignored the economy and housing market collapse. Elections have consequences and now we are paying for the Obama mistake.
Good little liberal
June 21st, 2011
9:56 am
Bosch
Not enough of a majority to matter? But they passed Obamacare against the will of 72% of the American public.
Man. What you guys will say to support the clown. LOL!!
AmVet
June 21st, 2011
9:56 am
OK, BMDPD.
This might shock you, but we are in near total agreement. I believe AA ran it’s useful course up until about 10 – 15 years ago…
And this one won’t – labor unions are one of the very last vestiges of OUR being able to fight back against too much corporate domination of our government and over our lives. (A huge plurality of Americans think that is the case)
Therefore, in limited instances, and in spite of their legendary screw ups, I view them as a very positive thing…
BMDPD
June 21st, 2011
9:57 am
USinUK, you made a great twist and turn there to accuse me of being racist. I was commenting on Bosch’s comment about the young rural children. It was not directed at any race in particular. There is so much to my statement that you do not understand. Sanger knew what I am talking about though. You know the founder of planned parenthood. It is funny or shall I say ironic that many on the left embrace evolution (survival of the fittest) and yet believe that the government should help those ‘in need’.
Bosch
June 21st, 2011
9:57 am
“You’re making a pretty unjustifiable leap of statistical faith here, Ma’am.”
Let’s hope she stretched first.
USinUK
June 21st, 2011
9:58 am
dB – 9:55 – I dunno … my favorite faux concern has been how it’s a civil war and we don’t know what side we should be fighting on (heard that one from an overnight Sunday) …
have these maroons totally forgotten who Gadaffi is and what he’s done???
because i’d bet dollars to doughnuts that they’d be braying his name loud and proud if a GOPper was in the WH
BMDPD
June 21st, 2011
9:58 am
@Bosch, yet he is spending plenty bombing Libya.
blue_unicorn
June 21st, 2011
9:58 am
‘Not a majority enough to matter. You don’t remember the “we aren’t gonna have those terrorists in prisons in my district!” discussions?”
Pelosi and Reid passed Obamacare, but couldn’t close Gitmo?
the truth hurts
June 21st, 2011
9:58 am
Doggone/GA
June 21st, 2011
9:55 am
“Dems” think for themselves and don’t vote in lockstep.
Well I guess that explains the 95% vote from a certain segment of the population for Obama. Idiot.
Bosch
June 21st, 2011
9:58 am
BMDPD,
“It is funny or shall I say ironic that many on the left embrace evolution (survival of the fittest) and yet believe that the government should help those ‘in need’.”
Yeah, call me crazy, but I don’t think anyone living in the world’s richest country should die of hunger in the street just because I believe in evolution.
USinUK
June 21st, 2011
9:58 am
BMD – “I was commenting on Bosch’s comment about the young rural children”
so the “box I think in” was right.
thanks
Kamchak
June 21st, 2011
9:59 am
Gays should be put in gas chambers like Hitler did them. Ugh Think of what they do
It’s painfully obvious that you *think* about that enough for most everyone here.
Doggone/GA
June 21st, 2011
9:59 am
“Gays should be put in gas chambers like Hitler did them. Ugh Think of what they do”
by any chance, are you also “pro life”?
Brosephus
June 21st, 2011
9:59 am
Dems held majority in the House and Senate. Care to explain?
What does the Dems having a majority have to do with anything. Re-read what I said. Obama signed a resolution to close Guantanamo, correct? Congress has not yet funded that resolution, correct? I’m guessing you forgot about all the mamby-pamby NIMBY stuff that went on. Obama’s own party was right up front with that crap. I don’t think there’s any explanation beyond Obama signed the resolution and Congress wimped out and refused to fund it. If you see anything different, why don’t you explain what you see.
Bosch
June 21st, 2011
9:59 am
“Pelosi and Reid passed Obamacare, but couldn’t close Gitmo?”
Yes.
Another example of simple answers to simple questions. Carry on.
getalife
June 21st, 2011
10:00 am
“getalife, here is one. We made it as a Nation until the 1940’s with very little government assistance (hand outs).”
So corporate welfare started in the forties?
Good one.
Doggone/GA
June 21st, 2011
10:00 am
“Pelosi and Reid passed Obamacare, but couldn’t close Gitmo?”
Yes
Kamchak
June 21st, 2011
10:01 am
Well I guess that explains the 95% vote from a certain segment of the population for Obama. Idiot.
We’ve already had one red card today.
Tick…tick…tick….
Doggone/GA
June 21st, 2011
10:01 am
“It is funny or shall I say ironic that many on the left embrace evolution (survival of the fittest) and yet believe that the government should help those ‘in need’.”
Altruism is a survival technique that is not unique to humans
Bosch
June 21st, 2011
10:01 am
“What you guys will say to support the clown”
Not near as bad as what you guys will make up and outright lie about simply because you hate him.
willie lynch
June 21st, 2011
10:02 am
So there’s a chance for Lindsey Graham afterall.
USinUK
June 21st, 2011
10:02 am
“So corporate welfare started in the forties?”
well, before that, it was pure corruption (see: railroads and steel industry)
BMDPD
June 21st, 2011
10:02 am
AmVet, we will have to agree to disagree on Unions. I think government regulation has replaced the need for unions, but your argument about the business lobby does hold water.
Good little liberal
June 21st, 2011
10:02 am
Bosch
“Well, one could argue that Obama has done better than Bush did”
One could argue that. And one could also argue that the democrats didn’t have enough of a majority to close gitmo.
One could argue a lot of things.
i know this will do no good, but just look around. The country is in shambles. Our allies no longer exist. If Israel were attacked today, do you honestly think Obama would do anything? The economy is taking a second nose dive and the housing market is the worst in our history. The only thing keeping inflation from going nuts is the horrible state of spending by the American people.
Call me crazy, but I would gladly take the years when the big complaint is whether or not we tap the phone calls of al Quida and put bugs in boxes with family killing terrorists.
Mighty Righty
June 21st, 2011
10:02 am
This experience question being brought up by Dims is really funny. When the Bamster was running for President it was an issue to many of us because of his lack of any semblence of managerial experience. A majority of voters decided it wasn’t a problem for them. Now, the Dims want to say he has experience and is therefore more qualified than whoever runs against him. Those of us who have become enlightened by watching him in action, some would say inaction, are doubly convinced his prior lack of experience has been harmful to the country. Next time no one will have the luxury of imagining what lind of leader he will be. The wonder is over. We know. He has a record. The next election will be based on his “experience” as president. Next time “Hope and Change” means we “Hope he Changes”. If he doesn’t learn from his “experience” in office and personally “changes” we will change to someone else. You Dims can forget the experience argument as it applies to Obama. The nexr election will be based on our experience with him.
Brosephus
June 21st, 2011
10:03 am
“Government Handouts”
Definition: Money from government to unproductive resources.
Wouldn’t a government handout be anything handed out by the government, no matter whether it was to a productive group or not?
SaveOurRepublic
June 21st, 2011
10:03 am
AmVet @ 9:41 AM EDT – It would certainly appear we’ve no choice but to take the bad with the good. My initial comment was around the fact that (in general) society’s morals & values of 2011 are a far cry from 1911.
Agreed on the (NeoCON hijacked GOP)….their “leadership” has become puppets for the Globalist Elite (as has the DNC “leadership”). The 2 party system is largely leveraged as a control mechanism over the populace. The Elite trot out (controlled) candidate “A” vs. (controlled) candidate “B”.
ken
June 21st, 2011
10:03 am
But in many ways the changes of the last 50 years have made this a much better, stronger and united nation.
What planet do you live on ?
Brosephus
June 21st, 2011
10:04 am
“So corporate welfare started in the forties?”
well, before that, it was pure corruption (see: railroads and steel industry)
I guess politicians wanted to get in on the profits too. No need for those “capitalists” to bogart all the funds by themselves.
Bosch
June 21st, 2011
10:04 am
BMDPD,
“yet he is spending plenty bombing Libya”
Comparing Libya to Iraq and Afghanistan is a spit in the face to the service men and women who fought, died, or were injured there.
@@
June 21st, 2011
10:04 am
Debbie:
Not only was his campaign involved in the accusations, Obama, himself, got involved.
From “The Boston Globe”:
On ABC’s “Good Morning America,” she also bashed the Obama campaign for criticizing her, saying that “every time” someone makes a negative comment about Obama, they are accused of racism.
Tuesday night, she had even stronger words for the Daily Breeze, the newspaper in Torrance, Calif., whose interview with her published Friday started the whole controversy. “Racism works in two different directions,” she said. “I really think they’re attacking me because I’m white. How’s that?”
Obama admonished Ferraro again today, saying that if someone in his campaign had suggested that Hillary Clinton “is where she is only because she is a woman,” Clinton would be offended.
“Part of what I think Geraldine Ferraro is doing, and I respect the fact that she was a trailblazer, is to participate in the kind of slice and dice politics that’s about race and about gender…. That’s what Americans are tired of because they recognize that when we divide ourselves in that way we can’t solve problems,” Obama said on NBC’s “Today” show.
The Obama campaign called on Clinton, who has distanced herself from Ferraro’s comments, to remove her from her finance committee. Ferraro said earlier today she would step down from the committee if asked, but would not stop raising money for Clinton.
I’ve always said that dems are blatant with their accusations of racism but subtle in their own racism.
Okey Dokey…I’m off.
Don’t care whether you guys are nice to each other or not.
getalife
June 21st, 2011
10:05 am
“well, before that, it was pure corruption (see: railroads and steel industry)”
Exactly, but cons always gives corporate welfare a free pass.
Not on my watch.
Joe Mama
June 21st, 2011
10:05 am
GLL, I’d like very much to hear your exposition regarding FNMA and FHLMC from yesterday. I don’t believe I saw a reply from you on that topic.
Good little liberal
June 21st, 2011
10:06 am
USinUK
And the railroads and steel mills were soooo bad for America. It’s corruption I tell you. We should have stuck to wagon trains and blacks smiths. Those were the good old days.
Where’s my buggy whip. I want to go for a drive.
midtownguy
June 21st, 2011
10:06 am
Randey, you don’t have to imagine what we do, you are welcome to come over to our house and watch what I and my partner of 27 years do (but you will be bored to death watching us play with the dogs, clean house, do laundry and cook supper)
An Atheist
June 21st, 2011
10:06 am
I can’t understand why more people wouldn’t back an atheist. Just because they don’t believe in a god doesn’t mean they were not raised with the same or better morals than the religious. It seems to me that a person not focused on religion and not bent on sharing and impressing his or her views, but instead focused on how to better cure the nations ills through action and diligence, would make a much better candidate than a terrifyingly close-minded and incredibly religious individual (Michele Bachmann for example). Atheists tend to be people who grew up with a choice of whether or not to include religion in their lives, as opposed to having it shoved down their throats from an early age. They can often see the state of things more clearly and more objectively than someone whose vision is clouded by religion. That to me is the perfect candidate– someone who has nothing to focus on EXCEPT fixing the mess this country has gotten itself into by following around the leaders of the extreme right and left like puppy dogs. Is it so much to ask that the country leave them and their twisted, warped politics and thirst for fame in the dust? Our entire government needs to be replaced when it comes down to it. We’re run by a bunch of corrupt, overzealous fools if you ask me.
Bosch
June 21st, 2011
10:07 am
” The country is in shambles. Our allies no longer exist. If Israel were attacked today, do you honestly think Obama would do anything? The economy is taking a second nose dive and the housing market is the worst in our history. The only thing keeping inflation from going nuts is the horrible state of spending by the American people. ”
Again, not near as bad as the crap you make up or lie about just to justify your obvious hatred for the man.
williebkind
June 21st, 2011
10:08 am
“Pelosi and Reid passed Obamacare, but couldn’t close Gitmo?”
But they gave their unions and moneybags an exemption to ObamaCare! Pelosi was top dog and the gay society of San Fran do not have to participate. Now thats diversified leadership.
BMDPD
June 21st, 2011
10:08 am
@Bosch, What do you know about service?!?
getalife
June 21st, 2011
10:08 am
Here comes Huntsman.
The battle of the Mormons and the base hate both.
So, they want another idiot cowboy from Texas to run.
The gop are divided and weak on national security.
Left wing management
June 21st, 2011
10:09 am
– Today, 93 percent would vote for a woman, but in 1969 only 53 percent of Americans were willing to say that. The crucial jump in support for female candidates occurred as the women’s lib movement took off. By 1971, that number had hit 66 percent, a 13-point increase in just two years.
You hear a lot of people talk about how much America has changed, and they seldom imply it’s for the better. But in many ways the changes of the last 50 years have made this a much better, stronger and united nation.
Precisely. And in almost every imaginable respect, we’re a better country precisely BECAUSE of the in-mixing of Utopian hopes and aspirations for which the Left is responsible.
All politics today consists of the refusal to take responsibility for fulfilling the deeper potentials of those aspirations (on the left) on the one hand and the fierce effort to roll back and contain those same possibilities (by others), even as they rely on those very same Utopian elements (Cain as a black man who would die before bowing to the long tradition of reformist, i.e. leftist, fighters who made possible the opportunities he now enjoys, something similar applies for Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin).
USinUK
June 21st, 2011
10:10 am
GLL – stop listening to the voices screaming in your head
no one said that they were bad for america.
keep up
williebkind
June 21st, 2011
10:10 am
Would voters back a Mormon? Yes, they voted in a muslim.
Good little liberal
June 21st, 2011
10:10 am
Joe Mama
I gave my opinion as to the damage the incompetence of the people in charge of those organizations have done.
BMDPD
June 21st, 2011
10:10 am
Atheist, that was a good strong closing. All of them are corrupt! I think many go to the Beltway with good intentions, but are perverted by the political system.
Good little liberal
June 21st, 2011
10:11 am
USinUK
So you weren’t actually complaining about them receiving government help. Sorry. The term corruption seemed to signify that you didn’t support what they did.
Dave R.
June 21st, 2011
10:11 am
“I don’t care about religion, sex, race, or sexual preferences when looking at who I’m going to vote for any elected office. ”
TESTIFY, Brotha Brosephus!
AmVet
June 21st, 2011
10:11 am
SOR, thanks for the reply.
You know me, a devout contrarian.
Something like 90% of Americans think this country is in decline.
Take a wild guess, who is one person in that 10% group?
This country and her people still rock! And we still have the best system ever devised by our species. Sure, we have a ton of problems. Just like we did on day 1. And just like we always will.
I, for one, will try to never cede the high ground. Which means no to BushCorp torture, no to spying on Americans and a HELL NO to this fascistic suspension of habeus corpus.
From the Miller’s Analogy Test:
Our current military involvement in Libya compared to our current military involvement in Iraq is the same as:
1) Lake Lanier is to the Pacific Ocean
2) GWB’s military record is to Eisenhower’s
3) My backyard fence is to the Great Wall of China
BMDPD
June 21st, 2011
10:12 am
Funny atruism in the animal community is communism in the human community.
Joe Mama
June 21st, 2011
10:13 am
GLL — “I gave my opinion as to the damage the incompetence of the people in charge of those organizations have done.”
Actually, what you said was:
(GLL said)”The largest was the mismanagement of Freddie and Fannie. It caused 20% (according to USinUK) of mortgages to fail.”
(Joe said)”I’d LOVE to hear how they managed that. I find these fanciful expositions about FNMA and FHLMC most risible indeed.”
(Joe said)”And when you’re done, maybe you can explain to me how FNMA and FHLMC also caused the housing markets of the UK, Ireland, Greece, Spain and Portugal to fail at the same time ours did. And also explain how FNMA and FHLMC hosed up the commercial real estate markets, too.”
So you’re admitting that was your opinion, right? Because if you have some sort of evidence or support for that claim, I’d really like to see it.
getalife
June 21st, 2011
10:13 am
“I think many go to the Beltway with good intentions, but are perverted by the political system.”
So, why does none of them propose to change it?
Doggone/GA
June 21st, 2011
10:13 am
“Funny atruism in the animal community is communism in the human community”
Not even close
Brosephus
June 21st, 2011
10:14 am
The only thing keeping inflation from going nuts is the horrible state of spending by the American people.
And yet you fail to mention the reason that spending by the American people is so horrible. Could it be because the private sector refused to employ them, either by design or demand? One thing I’ll give the GOP credit for is that they know the private sector is the group that can cure our economic ills right now. The problem, however, is that they want to champion tax cuts and deregulation as ideas to spur the private sector to hire. All they, or anyone else, needs to do is to explain to the private sector that by taking a short-term loss, they will reap long term gains by putting people back to work.
When Americans have money, they spend. When Americans have jobs, they have money. It’s not very hard to understand or execute. Someone has to be willing to offset their short term loss with long term gains. It seems like our glorified CEO’s don’t have the testicular fortitude to see beyond their own pockets to see how much of an impact they have on the entire country.
Doggone/GA
June 21st, 2011
10:15 am
“So, why does none of them propose to change it?”
They do PROPOSE to change it, they just don’t (or can’t) once they get there. Just think how many politicians in the last 50 years have run on being an “outsider: and on “changing the culture in Washington”
khc
June 21st, 2011
10:15 am
not in the south
Good little liberal
June 21st, 2011
10:15 am
Bosch
I’m not crazy about a man who would expose his young children to the racist rantings of Jeremiah Wright/ I hate what he has done to my country. But hate? I’m a Republican. it’s not personal. I just want the damage to stop.
But thanks for showing that what I said about what he has done is un-refuteable.
BMDPD
June 21st, 2011
10:16 am
Very close doggone. Sacrificing you own rights for the community!
williebkind
June 21st, 2011
10:16 am
I read an article that women had feminized men and that is why homosexuality seems acceptable to the people. Progressive liberals have used the courts to shoot down males and tradional bliefs at every opportunity. AJC and CNN have been the biggest promoters of homosexuality on the East Coast. I noticed they started hiring homosexuals writers. What is next? I hope the CEO of AJC and CNN lose their jobs to homosexual scandals. It would be fascinating.
Mel
June 21st, 2011
10:16 am
I would actually *prefer* to have an atheist president. Then religion wouldn’t cloud any decisions.
Brosephus
June 21st, 2011
10:16 am
Dave
Welcome abord the SS WTF!!! As you can see, the ship is underway at full power this morning. I think that if we don’t cut back on the power, we may break a propeller shaft.
Good little liberal
June 21st, 2011
10:17 am
Joe Mama
This is all about opinions. My opinion is based on fact.
Trying to pick yet another fight in which you will lose this morning?
Dave R.
June 21st, 2011
10:18 am
Yeah, Brosephus.
I think the crazies took a three day weekend and decided to come back on board today.
williebkind
June 21st, 2011
10:18 am
If we expose sex education down to elementary grades then those young tasty boys and girls would be available to experiment with their new found knowledge.
Kamchak
June 21st, 2011
10:18 am
It seems like our glorified CEO’s don’t have the testicular fortitude to see beyond their own pockets to see how much of an impact they have on the entire country.
The “I got mine, scr*w everybody else” trickle-on school of phlogiston Econ 101.
DebbieDoRight
June 21st, 2011
10:19 am
Contractor: Why isn’t there affirmative action in sports that black athletes dominate? It’s a place of work, just like a business office, so why doesn’t it apply to the field of play?
Why don’t you ask the OWNER’s that question? Only they can answer it.
Brosephus
June 21st, 2011
10:19 am
Progressive liberals have used the courts to shoot down males and tradional bliefs at every opportunity. AJC and CNN have been the biggest promoters of homosexuality on the East Coast. I noticed they started hiring homosexuals writers. What is next? I hope the CEO of AJC and CNN lose their jobs to homosexual scandals. It would be fascinating.
For some reason, I keep having the same two thoughts after reading some of these posts today……
Thought #1…..
Thought #2…..
Maybe it was something I ate last night. I think that does have an effect on your thinking….
Doggone/GA
June 21st, 2011
10:19 am
“Someone has to be willing to offset their short term loss with long term gains”
Yep, and when *I* said something like that I got accused of pushing “socialism”, or words to that effect
willie lynch
June 21st, 2011
10:19 am
An Atheist
June 21st, 2011
10:06 am
“Our entire government needs to be replaced when it comes down to it. We’re run by a bunch of corrupt, overzealous fools if you ask me”.
Good point, but someone is doing the corrupting. Why do people keep harping on the governments corruption? The same people that run govenment come from private industry and when their done in government they go right back to private industry many of them as paid lobbyist of their former colleagues.
This circle has always exsisted, as corruption goes we’re not much different than the countries we’re watching go through these uprisings. It seems those backward third world people know something Americans don’t about getting rid of corrupt practices. The sad part is they will only broaden the circle to a few newer participants. The game will remain the same.
Thomas
June 21st, 2011
10:19 am
“I believe that one more fighting season and we can get this thing pretty well wrapped up,” McCain said
I have tremendous respect for Senator McCain- but what? Fighting has a season? How about bomb the bejeebies out of the area or leave. Grab a few tons of poppy to pay for the war.
getalife
June 21st, 2011
10:20 am
“They do PROPOSE to change it”
Really, who is running on taking on corporate influence?
Who wants clean elections?
They will be labeled anti business, among other names.
Remember when our President took on the Citizen United activism?
What happened?
The facts show corporate power is here to stay.
Dave R.
June 21st, 2011
10:20 am
I do find that difference in Democrats to Republicans on the Mormon question rather disconcerting, though. I thought the Dems were the “big tent” tolerant party?
BMDPD
June 21st, 2011
10:20 am
willie, show me one sitcom that there is a strong male!