Romney: ‘We cannot afford’ disaster relief

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Looking back through the transcript of Monday night’s GOP debate, attention has begun to focus on the following exchange between CNN’s John King and Mitt Romney. I’ll post it here in its entirety, just so there’s no question about context:

KING: Governor Romney? You’ve been a chief executive of a state. I was just in Joplin, Missouri. I’ve been in Mississippi and Louisiana and Tennessee and other communities dealing with whether it’s the tornadoes, the flooding, and worse. FEMA is about to run out of money, and there are some people who say do it on a case-by-case basis and some people who say, you know, maybe we’re learning a lesson here that the states should take on more of this role. How do you deal with something like that?

ROMNEY: Absolutely. Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better. Instead of thinking in the federal budget, what we should cut — we should ask ourselves the opposite question. What should we keep? We should take all of what we’re doing at the federal level and say, what are the things we’re doing that we don’t have to do? And those things we’ve got to stop doing, because we’re borrowing $1.6 trillion more this year than we’re taking in. We cannot…

KING: Including disaster relief, though?

ROMNEY: We cannot — we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids. It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we’ll all be dead and gone before it’s paid off. It makes no sense at all.

Where to begin?

Let’s start with the Romney’s contention that disaster relief is an obligation that the federal government ought to shuck and devolve to the states or even private enterprise. Devolving that duty to the states means it would not get done. The state of Missouri, like most states, is struggling to balance its budget and could not possibly have funded the billion-dollar relief effort launched in the wake of the disaster in Joplin. The same is true of Alabama and the tornadoes that devastated our neighbors to the west in April. A state suffering destruction on such a scale cannot be told to suck it up and pull itself up by its own bootstraps.

After all, it is moments such as these that put the “United” in the United States. We are not self-contained human units each out to maximize individual wealth and consumption; we are Americans, and we help each other out. The notion that disaster relief is among “those things we’ve got to stop doing” is nonsense, and to base that suggestion on grounds of morality, as Romney does, boggles the mind.

After all, we are the richest nation the world has ever known. The concept that “we cannot afford to do those things” — “those things” being assisting our fellow Americans in a time when they have lost everything as a result of natural disaster — is unacceptable.

I’m not sure what Romney was thinking in those remarks. This was not some misstatement or misunderstanding on his part. I suspect, however, that this is what happens when a party becomes so trapped in its rhetoric that it no longer recognizes rational bounds or even basic compassion.

– Jay Bookman

440 comments Add your comment

Good little liberal

June 15th, 2011
8:58 am

“I’m not sure what Romney was thinking in those remarks. I suspect, however, that this is what happens when a party becomes so trapped in its rhetoric that it no longer recognizes rational bounds or even basic compassion”

Like Obamacare. Does nothing for the average guy but makes the Health Insurance Companies richer than ever before.

Doggone/GA

June 15th, 2011
8:59 am

“is unacceptable”

Pet peeve alert! I am SO DAMN TIRED of things being “unacceptable” when what they REALLY are is DESPICABLE. And clearly, if we let them continue, then they ARE “acceptable”

professional skeptic

June 15th, 2011
9:02 am

“It is simply immoral…” says the guy who got rich working at Bain & Co. advising corporations to ship American jobs overseas.

Jay

June 15th, 2011
9:03 am

Is that the best you can manage, GLL: “Hey, look over there!!!”?

Granny Godzilla

June 15th, 2011
9:05 am

Well, that’s a democratic campaign commercial that needs to run in every county that has or will declare a state of emergency/disaster
from now until November 2012.

Cantor’s comments can be included as well.

Another GOP “up yours” moment that needs to be driven home HARD.

Brad Steel

June 15th, 2011
9:06 am

With this “disaster” comment, Romney did a fine job of showing off what will the #1 requirement in the republican primary: pandering.

professional skeptic

June 15th, 2011
9:07 am

It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we’ll all be dead and gone before it’s paid off. It makes no sense at all.

If I had been the interviewer, I would have immediately asked Romney for his views on endless spending on war and lucrative no-bid defense contracts.

ty webb

June 15th, 2011
9:07 am

“The state of Missouri, like most states, is struggling to balance its budget…”

Earth to jay! How is this different than the federal budget?

AmVet

June 15th, 2011
9:08 am

I note that first post, supports the damning accusation of Romney’s foot in mouth disease, or attempts to refute it, rather than just mindlessly spinning off into some unrelated attack on the president in knee jerk fashion.

At this rate, Mitt is going sink himself, before he even gets going…

SOUTHERN ATL

June 15th, 2011
9:08 am

Jay, this article has a lot of valid points. How can we afford to help rebuild other countries and let our own people suffer? The Republican Party will say anything to get elected. No matter how much insurance a person has or doesn’t have, they can never be fully prepared for the unexpected. I definitely feel their empathy!!

poison pen

June 15th, 2011
9:09 am

Jay, I took his answer to mean that you keep the good things and get rid of the bad things. He never said to get rid of FEMA.

He said try to let the PRIVATE sector do the job, as they usually do it better & cheaper, and he also said to send some of it back to the states.

You must still be squirming about the debates, Obama is done in 2012.

Peadawg

June 15th, 2011
9:10 am

We’re too busy helping out other countries, Jay. Disaster relief and help to OTHER countries is what we should shucked.

We need to get our priorities straight. We can’t afford to babysit the rest of world anymore.

Good little liberal

June 15th, 2011
9:10 am

“The state of Missouri, like most states, is struggling to balance its budget and could not possibly have funded the billion-dollar relief effort launched in the wake of the disaster in Joplin. ”

Now all of the sudden, all this concern for the states? Again, Obamacare and what it will do to the state’s budgets seems to be that old elephant stomping around in the living room.

Let’s lower the amount paid out in food stamps by encouraging job growth. Give companies real incentives for moving to our shores and get the economy going again. Reduce the amounts of money that we are needing to borrow. You know, that capitalist thing, the budget will heal and these won’t even be issues.

Or would you rather have the largest number of people on welfare in history, like the Clown has dumped on this country? Would you rather have sky high gas prices so we don’t buy as much gas, pushing food costs through the roof?

The problem Jay, is that anything like this that you bring up can always be traced back to the incompetence of the community organizer and his Weather Underground friends.

deegee

June 15th, 2011
9:11 am

I don’t think that we can afford sending congressional delegations and their families all over the world on fact finding trips. They don’t need security detail and they really don’t need to be in Washington more than once a quarter.

Good little liberal

June 15th, 2011
9:13 am

Jay

Over there is the problem. Get the clown out of the White House and take control of the Senate away from the failed policies of the democrats. We will fix the economy.

One thing is for sure, the democrats who haven’t even submitted a budget for two years HAVE TO GO. they can’t even do their job because they are so afraid of stepping on someone’s toes and losing a vote.

poison pen

June 15th, 2011
9:13 am

Granny Godzilla, Another GOP “up yours” moment that needs to be driven home HARD.

Josef & Cowboy will love you for that one.

Jay

June 15th, 2011
9:13 am

Poison, try as you might, you cannot change what was said.

Romney made it quite clear — “including disaster relief?” King prodded him — that we cannot afford to keep doing that at the federal level.

stands for decibels

June 15th, 2011
9:15 am

After all, it is moments such as these that put the “United” in the United States. We are not self-contained human units each out to maximize individual wealth and consumption; we are Americans, and we help each other out.

Why you damn commie you.

Good little liberal

June 15th, 2011
9:16 am

professional skeptic

Want to see something immoral?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/13/us/politics/13donor.html

The event, organized by the Democratic National Committee, kicked off an aggressive push by Mr. Obama to win back the allegiance of one of his most vital sources of campaign cash — in part by trying to convince Wall Street that his policies, far from undercutting the investor class, have helped bring banks and financial markets back to health.

md

June 15th, 2011
9:18 am

Seems to be a matter of interpretation……..I watched the debate, and King’s format was a bunch of poo poo……30 seconds per answer is asinine……and if you read the above “in context”, Romney appears to be finishing his thought……..which has more to do with letting the States take care of themselves vs responding to the single issue of disaster relief……………he’s still responding big picture and King is trying to focus on little picture….as is jay.

moonbat betty

June 15th, 2011
9:18 am

Romney’s an idiot for wanting to cut waste and fraud out of disaster relief.

Issue everyone debit cards and be done with it.

Happy now?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 15th, 2011
9:18 am

Why I bet Romney’s Wall Street buddies will be shocked, just shocked, to learn than muni bonds are immoral……. Everything apparently must be paid for on a cash basis.

Adam

June 15th, 2011
9:19 am

*facepalm*

YES WE CAN AFFORD DISASTER RELIEF.

FFS, we have been in debt for a lot longer than this. Someone needs to just stand up and say when it comes to helping our fellow humans, especially people in our OWN COUNTRY, money is no object. We have billions to send overseas, billions to spend on disaster relief and nation building in other countries, we can build schools, plumbing, etc all abroad, but we can’t afford to spend money helping people during a disaster HERE? No, I dont’ buy it.

If you want to cut spending, cut it abroad first. And raise taxes OR stop proposing ANY tax cuts. Otherwise, I’m not listening, and neither should you.

Bosch

June 15th, 2011
9:19 am

“knowing full well that we’ll all be dead and gone before it’s paid off. It makes no sense at all.”

That really is kind of a crock. I used to hear Democrats saying the same thing when Reagan was spending us into a hole — “think of the children” which at that time was me. Believe it or not, and some here will disagree, I made it okay.

Fact is, we could pay off our debt if we really wanted to, it’s just that no one really wants to. Those that say they do, won’t take the steps necessary to do it.

Normal

June 15th, 2011
9:20 am

Mitt is another dude whose dirty laundry is coming into view. This voter fraud thing, saying he’s living in his kid’s basement while owning multi-million dollar homes in other states? Fantastic. Makes me think he IS like all the other Republicans after all. He thinks we are too stupid to see for ourselves. Like I said, Fantastic.

Jay

June 15th, 2011
9:20 am

Baloney, md.

The entire question, from beginning through to followup, was about disaster relief and disaster relief only.

Don't Forget

June 15th, 2011
9:21 am

professional skeptic

June 15th, 2011
9:02 am

“It is simply immoral…” says the guy who got rich working at Bain & Co. advising corporations to ship American jobs overseas.

Yup, wonder how the moderates will feel when they find out Romney’s “business experience” was as an LBO hatchet man.

poison pen

June 15th, 2011
9:22 am

Jay, What is wrong with the private sector doing it.

josef

June 15th, 2011
9:22 am

Private enterprise? Oy, gevalt! Have some people completely taken leave of their senses? How, pray tell, can private interprise respond to utter and total destruction on such a massive scale? Charities…yes, they do respond quickly, readily and more effectively in the immediate aftermath, but their resources are even more limited than the public sector here. Food? Yes, I can see agribusiness sending in tons of supplies the next day and doing it as a public service for their fellow citizens in need. Charities,,,yes, Clothing? Right there with food, Shelter? Yeah, private enterprise and charity…they’ll have a roof over the folks’ heads in the next night. Get real, the recovery of these areas IS the responsibility the government.

Bosch

June 15th, 2011
9:23 am

“What is wrong with the private sector doing it”

Yeah, let’s have AT&T do it. People can wait on the phone all freaking day long talking to a machine or a guy in India. Yeah, that’s a great plan! :roll:

Finn McCool

June 15th, 2011
9:24 am

Let’s just ditch the whole “United” thing?

If we are paying taxes to be a part of a bigger thing and half rthe people want to be part of the bigger thing but don’t want to pay to support the bigger thing, then maybe we see how they like it without it.

Normal

June 15th, 2011
9:24 am

GLL,
Why don’t you post “I HATE OBAMA AND EVERYTHING HE STANDS FOR” once a day, then go do something else. That way I don’t have to wear out my scroll wheel prematurely. We get it. You hate President Obama. You never say anything else.

Granny Godzilla

June 15th, 2011
9:24 am

Good Little Liberal

SHHHHH…don’t tell anybody BUT – his weather underground friends are flown in on AF 1 regularly for a pick up game. It’s them versus Obama, Satan, J.R. Ewing, Ann Coulter and The Riddler.

Please don’t tell anybody – can’t let it get to Matt Drudge.

Don't Forget

June 15th, 2011
9:24 am

So Romney doesn’t believe in federal disaster relief?

Wave bye bye to Floriday conservatives, North Carolina too for that matter.

Good little liberal

June 15th, 2011
9:24 am

Keep Up

Sort of missed the point, kid.

stands for decibels

June 15th, 2011
9:25 am

Devolving that duty to the states means it would not get done.

That’s not a bug, that’s a feature.

Adam

June 15th, 2011
9:25 am

GLL: Again, Obamacare and what it will do to the state’s budgets seems to be that old elephant stomping around in the living room.

Oh? And what is it going to do to the state budgets, exactly?

Finn McCool

June 15th, 2011
9:26 am

We could also reduce US costs if we have the military only defend people in certain neighborhoods or people with a certain level of income.

All the lower level people will be expected to serve in the military to defend those people of means.

josef

June 15th, 2011
9:26 am

PP
@ 9:13

“Josef & Cowboy will love you for that one”

In relation to what?

AmVet

June 15th, 2011
9:26 am

Given their own words over a long period of time, I can safely say that virtually all of our cons are representative of the far right elements of their ideology.

Which explains why they will bend over backwards to support ANYTHING remotely con and decry EVERYTHING that is not.

And it sure is hysterical watching the gymnastics…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 15th, 2011
9:27 am

Why josef, I am sure that the private sector can have tons of trucks and equipment just waiting for an emergency. Don’t you understand that GA Power has thousands of trucks and crews. When disasters happen here in Georgia, they dont even have to ask other power companies in other states to lend crews and equipment. It really makes economic sense for them to have all that extra equipment just sitting around in the event of a possible disaster. [snark]

Oy, gevalt is right.

Normal

June 15th, 2011
9:27 am

Adam,
Yes, it’s hard to believe that those noble, God fearing, Christian Republicans could be so willing to throw their fellow man under the bus just to save a few bucks. But wait! You don’t suppose it’s because the disaster victims are mostly lower class, do you? :shock:

Don't Forget

June 15th, 2011
9:28 am

josef

June 15th, 2011
9:22 am

Private enterprise? Oy, gevalt! Have some people completely taken leave of their senses?

Must be a rhetorical question

Jay

June 15th, 2011
9:28 am

“Jay, What is wrong with the private sector doing it.”

How would that happen, poison? Would the private sector also fund it? (Remember, Romney says the feds can’t afford it.) Would the private sector fund it with the expectation of profit? How would that profit occur? And as we know from very long experience, while some portions of the private sector DO perform admirably in such a crisis, many others see it as a chance to rip off and cheat desperate people.

“Private enterprise” is not a magic slogan to simply be recited three times to solve everything.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 15th, 2011
9:28 am

Nonsense GLL child, no you have missed the point, squirt.

Finn McCool

June 15th, 2011
9:29 am

They want to take your medicare away, they don’t want to help out ordinary citizens.

What do they want to do with all our money we are giving them? Oh, give it to their buddies as tax breaks and “incentives”?

You middle class Republican voters are the laughing stock of the World.

md

June 15th, 2011
9:29 am

“What should we keep? We should take all of what we’re doing at the federal level and say, what are the things we’re doing that we don’t have to do? And those things we’ve got to stop doing, because we’re borrowing $1.6 trillion more this year than we’re taking in. ”

Wrong Jay….appears you are the one eating the baloney sandwich.

“All of what we are doing”………….you have a new definition for “all”?

Good little liberal

June 15th, 2011
9:29 am

Normal

Rational people can criticize a failed politician and his failed policies without hating him. I think Obama is dangerous, and I’m not the only one.

His domestic policies are a disaster. But his foreign policies are simply going to be the start of another world war if we don’t get him out of there.

Hate? I don’t know the man.

Do I hate what he is doing to my country. Absolutely.

Brosephus

June 15th, 2011
9:30 am

Where to begin on this heaping pile of bovine fecal matter……

Romney needs to be himself and quit parroting party points. The same goes for all candidates. It’s time out for this party first crap. When a candidate answers a question, I want to know what that candidate’s idea is, not what the party’s idea is. We’ve seen that in action for the past 30-40 years from both sides, and that’s why we’re up to our ears in sh*t creek right now.

Disaster relief is best dealt with by the Feds. Contrary to popular opinion, the private sector already has a huge stake and involvement in disaster relief. I don’t think it’s government workers who come in after a disaster and perform all the necessary functions to get communities back on their feet. I seem to recall that there are insurance adjusters, debris haul-off companies, contractors, and other people involved in helping a community through a disaster. If someone can point out the federal employees in that or any group, please do so.

We’ve already seen the effects of “private sector” disaster relief after Katrina. I can recall that State Farm refused to renew insurance for anyone living along the Gulf Coast. Once they made that decision, I dropped my SF homeowners faster than Marion Barry dropping a rock of Crack when he see’s the cops.

People are so damn ate up by rhetoric nowadays, nobody can even see the problem that has resulted. People answer and react to questions like we’ve been invaded by pod people. This country used to be the leader in innovation and adaptation. Now, everybody’s parroting the same friggin’ answers like some alien chorus group. It’s a damn shame.

Good little liberal

June 15th, 2011
9:31 am

Jay

It’s that Home Owners insurance thing. Private sector? Profits?

Or are you just for Health Insurance Companies making a profit?

Dandini

June 15th, 2011
9:31 am

Despite the political and even religious diatribe, most of which is innuendo and false accusations from the undereducated against Romney…

It’s still going to be about the economy and who can get the job done!

Romney knows and understands world economics. In the private sector, for most of his life, he successfully and profitably managed large businesses, helped turn around large companies that were sinking and helped other companies get started, saving and creating thousands of jobs, Domino’s Pizza and Staples to name just a few of many.

Funny. Half of MA loves what Romney did, the other half hate him, maybe because he left after completing only one term. Maybe he is not a “career” politician, do you always need a “career” politician to get the job done?

Yes, he worked as the MA governor for his entire term for FREE!!! Who else would have done that!?

As governor, Romney reduced corporate loopholes and cut state spending in order to cut taxes and increase consumer spending. MA had a huge deficit, about 2 Billion dollars when he started, and he left MA with a 600 million surplus and balanced budget at the end of his term (yes, he raised state “fees”, but still kept them below the national average). He can’t help it if the government screwed up after he left.

MA’s super majority Democrat controlled legislature wanted desperately some kind of Universal Health care program. Romney worked with them to create one that would work, similar to mandated auto insurance (most states have such mandates). It is estimated that 98% of the residents are now covered. It was within projected budget (about 1% of the State budget) until Romney left and MA made changes to the program and now it is costing them. Romney believes that states — not the federal government — should be free to design their own plans for covering the uninsured if that is what they want to do.

He compromised on some political issues in order to keep the state government working together and moving forward.

He turned around a struggling 2002 Winter Olympics with millions in debt and made it into one of the most profitable Olympics in history. And only took a $1 dollar salary. Who else would have done that!?

He is against federalization and big government and believes in state’s rights to govern their own affairs.

He lives the example and believes in marriage and the importance of family.

He is for a strong military and believes the borders should be better protected.

The list of real positives is far greater than the supposed list of negatives.

And the Democrat Party is most afraid of Romney.

Finn McCool

June 15th, 2011
9:31 am

Oh, come on Jay. No gas station or other private company would DARE exploit it’s community for profits by price gouging. NEVER!

$10,000 for a $200 generator is just good business practices!

Doggone/GA

June 15th, 2011
9:32 am

“Do I hate what he is doing to my country. Absolutely”

Hate to break this to you at this late date, but it’s not YOUR country and the world isn’t ALL about you.

Mick

June 15th, 2011
9:32 am

gll

Right, let’s just turn everything back over to the repubs, they did such a bang up job last time. Oops, I forgot fannie and freddie brought down the world economy, silly me…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 15th, 2011
9:32 am

Disaster relief…we can not afford it…but millions to “prevent” non-existent voter fraud (well other than Mitt’s, that’s okay cause IOKIYAR) that we can afford. Let the people die.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 15th, 2011
9:32 am

Jay, not even a good try at discrediting Romney. Clearly he was pointing out that we can’t continue borrowing trillions more than what we’re taking in the debt burden is destroying this country. The left just doesn’t understand that we’ve run out of money and the only solution is to shrink this bloated federal government.We don’t have any other choice.

Jay

June 15th, 2011
9:33 am

And all of that quote, md — every single word — was uttered in the clear and actually sole context of disaster relief. Delivery of disaster relief wasn’t just part of a larger question, it was the entire question.

And you know it.

Brosephus

June 15th, 2011
9:34 am

“Private enterprise” is not a magic slogan to simply be recited three times to solve everything.

It might not solve anything, but it does rally the troops and bring in the votes.

Good little liberal

June 15th, 2011
9:34 am

Keep Up

Try to understand. I made the point. So how could I have missed it?

Is it going to be another day of this?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 15th, 2011
9:34 am

we’ve run out of money

Never intended to be a factual statement but we’ll repeat the nonsense incessantly because only the gullible believe this.

St Simons - we're on Island time

June 15th, 2011
9:35 am

Diversion trolls are sooo 2006.
Talk about annnnything else but their con draconia.

The people & government of JAPAN, JA-freakin-PAN, sent $200,000
to disaster relief here.

America is sick of these cons.

josef

June 15th, 2011
9:35 am

Left Wing…

You make a point. Let’s DO look at it from your point of “preparedness.” The power companies do probably the best job of any private enterprise when it comes to disaster response and infrastructural rehabillitation. Yet, look at how much of their resources it does demand and the cost to their own budgets. I would be interested myself in knowing what just the Joplin or Alabama disasters cost them. I would also be interested in knowing what, if any, money they were able to recoup for their efforts from the feds/states.

Anybody know?

Peadawg

June 15th, 2011
9:36 am

The thing is, Romney’s right. We can’t afford. Hell the way the gov’t headed now we can’t afford a lot of things. And everyone here knows it. But we’re still going to help ‘Bama, Missouri, etc anyways.

Now maybe if we got our nose out of other counties business…maybe we afford disaster relief here at home.

Good little liberal

June 15th, 2011
9:37 am

Mick

I will take the economy under Bush any day. I will take us standing beside out allies every day.

So what is so much better now that the Democrats have been in charge of Congress since 2007 and the White House since 2009? Can you name anything?

md

June 15th, 2011
9:37 am

Taking out the King interruption, this is what you get:

“ROMNEY: Absolutely. Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better. Instead of thinking in the federal budget, what we should cut — we should ask ourselves the opposite question. What should we keep? We should take all of what we’re doing at the federal level and say, what are the things we’re doing that we don’t have to do? And those things we’ve got to stop doing, because we’re borrowing $1.6 trillion more this year than we’re taking in. We cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids. It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we’ll all be dead and gone before it’s paid off. It makes no sense at all. ”

An honest individual will see that the man is focused on the overall debt…….not disaster relief.

It’s a cost analysis answer from the big picture perspective………………..unless ALL now has a different meaning…..which Jay seems to think it does.

jasper

June 15th, 2011
9:37 am

“like most states, Missouri is struggling to balance a budget”, then why shouldn’t the same be expected of the Fed. Why not let the state go into deficit spending/borrowing. Let more reliance be on private sector recovery. Romney’s point is that the fed can not continue funding every state and third world disaster recovery effort, and we’ve got to change our mindset on that. Fema can help provide emergency services, but its foolish to think that the Fed should shoulder the costs to rebuild and restore. You libbies boggle the mind.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 15th, 2011
9:38 am

GLL, apparently you are under the mistaken impression that I read all of your posts and that I believe you have the capability to say anything intelligent that would be a point other than the point on hte top of your hat….move along squirt.

Jay

June 15th, 2011
9:38 am

Josef, it’s my understanding that the power companies have an industry-wide professional norm that calls for them to support each other when disaster strikes. I remember covering Hurricane Rita in East Texas and seeing utility trucks from Ga. Power, Illinois Power and a lot of other places.

They understand that if they help their brothers and sisters today, their brothers and sisters will be there for them tomorrow.

stands for decibels

June 15th, 2011
9:38 am

that’s a democratic campaign commercial that needs to run in every county that has or will declare a state of emergency/disaster from now until November 2012.

Pains me to say this but… by “democratic” do you by some chance mean our surrender-monkey national Dems?

the DNC?

The ones who have allowed the Ryancare Coupon Book to register about 1/37th as high on the public’s awareness level as Weinergate?

GG, I love ya and all that, but you know better by now, don’t you? The fix is in. Tonight ain’t our night, kid. Nor will tomorrow night, nor any night, until we’ve purged the DLC corporatist a-holes and elected men and women who’ll take their own side in a fight, and shove a shiv into the heart of American “conservatism.” I suspect it will get a whole lot uglier before it gets better.

And on that cheery note, I must cease multitasking and devote my energies to producin’ my own little emergency bunker. Later, all.

Joe Mama

June 15th, 2011
9:40 am

poison pen — “He said try to let the PRIVATE sector do the job, as they usually do it better & cheaper”

Clearly they don’t, as evidenced by the avalanche of lawsuits against insurers after such disasters as Andrew and Katrina. The reason the Federal government takes on disaster relief is BECAUSE the private sector doesn’t get the job done in an efficient or acceptable manner.

Good little liberal

June 15th, 2011
9:40 am

Keep Up

When you respond to a post, perhaps you should actually read that post first. You can crow all you want about intelligence, but so far this morning, you are not doing so well.

Bosch

June 15th, 2011
9:40 am

“We can’t afford. Hell the way the gov’t headed now we can’t afford a lot of things. And everyone here knows it.”

That’s bullsh*t. We can afford it, but apparently the Repubs just don’t want to fool with it.

Brosephus

June 15th, 2011
9:40 am

josef

I’d agree that the power companies tend to have the best response plans and execute them to the best of their ability. I’m not sure what those recent tornadoes cost them, but I do know that a huge part of TN and North AL were without power for days because of the magnitude of destruction that TVA absorbed. They were back up and running before most debris had been cleaned off.

It may be because of the Southern Co. being the parent company for many of the different utilities. Maybe that enables them to move resources from state to state quickly and efficiently where others don’t have that advantage. You can watch the highways after disasters, or even when hurricanes approach, and you will see lines of bucket trucks heading into the direction of the storm to get ready to repair things once the weather clears up.

josef

June 15th, 2011
9:40 am

Recent tornadoes and frequent blizzards up in MA get the place declared a Federal Disaster Area…did Mitt turn down that designation and resources, and let them know that the Bay State was quite prepared to utilize its own funds, private enterprise, and charity to take care of its own?

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 15th, 2011
9:41 am

“Never intended to be a factual statement but we’ll repeat the nonsense incessantly because only the gullible believe this.”

Somebody must sit in some dark corner and only view the world from left wing blogs and their leftist propaganda Web sites. “because only the ignorant don’t believe this.” Fixed your typo…no thank you required.

Jay

June 15th, 2011
9:41 am

md, no rational person not in denial would see the statement in the light in which you attempt to cast it. Again, the whole question was about disaster relief, from beginning to end.

But hey, folks can read it and decide that for themselves….

Doggone/GA

June 15th, 2011
9:41 am

“The reason the Federal government takes on disaster relief is BECAUSE the private sector doesn’t get the job done in an efficient or acceptable manner”

Yep, hence: government must step in when the private sector won’t step up

Peadawg

June 15th, 2011
9:42 am

“That’s bullsh*t. We can afford it” – Typical Democrat. Say that 5 times to a mirror and maybe it’ll be true. But until we fix our spending/revenue problem…

Mick

June 15th, 2011
9:42 am

gll

Yes, putting the brakes to destroying the social safety net. You guys crack me up. Lay waste to the economy during your time, then blame the results on the next administration. The bush economy of 05-06 and the real estate bubble got us where we are today – everyone except the rich are broke…

Left wing management

June 15th, 2011
9:43 am

After all, it is moments such as these that put the “United” in the United States. We are not self-contained human units each out to maximize individual wealth and consumption; we are Americans, and we help each other out

Oh yes we are. Or at least, we are as long as Mitt Romney and his ilk have their way (and boy don’t you know when somebody uses the word “ilk” they mean to cast said individual in the worst possible light). Indeed. Romney is a capitalist – in the newly emboldened model. They’re strip miners of human lives. They don’t care how many lives are shaken by joblessness when they dismantle their companies and send its workers packing to satisfy some ROI target – that’s just the mad dance of the demon of capital which makes capitalism go. And no one does the dance better than a Mitt Romney.

Peadawg

June 15th, 2011
9:43 am

Jay, we get it. The question is about disaster relief. And Romney’s correct…we can’t afford it. But we’re going to do it anyways.

Allen Hughes

June 15th, 2011
9:43 am

What about WE ARE OUT OF MONEY do you people not understand. Until we take in far more than we spend, there is no money, so quit stealing it from future generations to fund excesses and comforts today. It is extraordinarily irresponsible for any politician to suggest one more dime of spending until we get our house in order. Cut spending to the bone, including all foreign aid, all military spending except that which is actually done to defend against attack on our country, all welfare, all corporate welfare and on and on until the budget is balanced and the debts are repaid.
Then get a copy of the constitution and read it and do nothing that is not specifically allowed by the wording found within. No made up interpretations, no stretching it, just what it says. If you want to conduct other business at the federal level, get the votes for a constitutional amendment. Disaster relief is not a federal issue, it is a local issue. If other citizens wish to send money and goods to the area needing relief, they are free to do so. If states wish to put money away for relief and for a rainy day, then do so. A family that fails to prepare for a bad event ends up with financial problems, there is no unlimited bucket of money sitting around waiting for them. Balancing a budget requires tough choices, why should federal politicians get off without having to make tough choices.

Adam

June 15th, 2011
9:43 am

Normal: But wait! You don’t suppose it’s because the disaster victims are mostly lower class, do you?

No, I actually think it is because they are completely morally corrupt to the core, and value a dollar more than they value anything else, including human life. If it came down to a choice between spending cuts and ending abortion, they would choose spending cuts. If it came down to a tax hike to prevent the earth from being destroyed by a meteor, they would let the earth be destroyed by a meteor. If it comes to oil drilling versus the destruction of the entire Gulf coast? We already know the answer to that one too.

Private companies and the almighty dollar. Greed. This is all they care about when the rest of the layers of masks and bullsh*t are stripped away.

Jay

June 15th, 2011
9:44 am

Honesty is appreciated, P’dawg.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 15th, 2011
9:44 am

Well, up here, when we have a disaster a bunch of us get together and put the trailer back on the blocks. Then we patch the holes and pound out the dents and nobody has to pay nothing. We might pool some money and go to Home Depot to get some stuff to do the patching. I don’t see why that won’t work in Joplin or anyplace else.

I’m tired of being overtaxed every time somebody shows up on TV crying because his property got a little banged up by the wind or floods. If they need to, they could get the property owner to sign for a big loan from Private Innerprize that could be paid off over the owner’s lifetime. That’s better than taxing me to help somebody I don’t even know.

It’s a jungle out there and it’s every man for hisself. We don’t need the do-gooders using guvmint money to help every Tom, Dick, and Harry out. If they need help, they can show up at church and say Praise Jesus and get it. Heck, I’d toss in a nickel or so if the story was sad enough. But it better be good. I’m always on the lookout for people that never took Personal Responsibility.

Have a good Wednesday everybody.

Joe Mama

June 15th, 2011
9:44 am

“And the Democrat Party is most afraid of Romney.”

Not THIS crap again.

‘You’re afraid of Palin.’

‘You’re afraid of Cain.’

‘You’re afraid of Bachmann.’

‘You’re afraid of Romney.’

No. I’m not afraid of ANY of them.

YOU, however, are afraid of losing in 2012.

BoooOOOOOoooooOOOOOOoooooo!

/scary :D

Doggone/GA

June 15th, 2011
9:44 am

“we can’t afford it. But we’re going to do it anyways”

Disaster relief isn’t really a question of “can we afford it?” – it’s a question of “can we afford NOT to do it?”

Jimmy62

June 15th, 2011
9:44 am

I disagree with Romney. Immediate emergency disaster relief is one of the best uses of government, even to most libertarians. Long term disaster relief, like paying for trailer homes for years after a hurricane hits a city built in a stupid place is a different story. But relief right after the event is fine.

Interestingly, however, commercial outfits with a financial incentive tend to get the goods to where they are needed faster than the government. So while there’s certainly a moral aspect to involving the government, from an efficiency perspective Romney might be right.

Good little liberal

June 15th, 2011
9:45 am

Mick

Again: So what is so much better now that the Democrats have been in charge of Congress since 2007 and the White House since 2009? Can you name anything?

You can talk the party line all you want. Just answer the simple question. You know that it will be the question that defeats Obama. And it is incredibly telling that you avoid answering the question.

philospher

June 15th, 2011
9:45 am

“After all, it is moments such as these that put the “United” in the United States. We are not self-contained human units each out to maximize individual wealth and consumption; we are Americans, and we help each other out.”
Jay, therein lies the problem- Americans are NOT united any longer and the majority IS only looking after number one and we do not WANT to look after our neighbor anymore! It’s all about ME, what I want and stay the hell out of my wallet!! That is of course, unless the disaster affects ME…in which case, I will absolutely scream and holler for you to pay for my needs and replace my stuff and will critique every move the government takes to get it done!!

md

June 15th, 2011
9:45 am

“And all of that quote, md — every single word — was uttered in the clear and actually sole context of disaster relief. Delivery of disaster relief wasn’t just part of a larger question, it was the entire question.

And you know it.”

No Jay….I don’t know it……what I read shows him starting from a single gov’t expenditure (disaster relief) and continues into the bigger picture with the entire federal budget………….

To read it any other way is being disingenuous…imo

Adam

June 15th, 2011
9:45 am

Allen: What about WE ARE OUT OF MONEY do you people not understand. Until we take in far more than we spend, there is no money, so quit stealing it from future generations to fund excesses and comforts today

1) We are NOT out of money. We have been in debt FOREVER and still have been doing fine until the housing market collapse.
2) What exactly makes helping people in Joplin equatable to “excesses and comforts?” Should we just tell them to live outside for a while?

Bosch

June 15th, 2011
9:45 am

Peadawg,

“Say that 5 times to a mirror and maybe it’ll be true.”

Is that like the same as saying “we can’t afford it?” Hypocrite.

Mick

June 15th, 2011
9:46 am

As to the topic, absolutely we should be helping fellow citizens in their time of tragedy and need. It shouldn’t even be an issue…

Adam

June 15th, 2011
9:46 am

Doggone: Disaster relief isn’t really a question of “can we afford it?” – it’s a question of “can we afford NOT to do it?”

IMO, it shouldn’t be a question at all.

josef

June 15th, 2011
9:47 am

I bring up the power companies to make the point that they appear to be the exception to the rule and deserve some credit for that. Back a few years ago when we had the hurricane damage that locked us in here in Atlanta (can’t remember the name) the crews here in our neighborhood were from North Carolina. It took three days to do it and, given the scale of things, this was minor…

And thanks for the responses on this…

Yahtzee

June 15th, 2011
9:47 am

the facts are that more “private” resources not only contribute more to disaster reliefs but they come faster than what the government is going to do

there is little reason to believe that politicians are more compassionate or caring than the population that elected them. there is little reason to believe that politicians know the severity of the situation better than the community members who know the families affected . there is little reason to believe that politicians spend other peoples money more effectively than to those who it belongs to in the first place. therefore, when government gets involved, there is good reason to believe that much of its effort simply displaces what private people and groups would do better and more cost effectively if government stayed home.

RB from Gwinnett

June 15th, 2011
9:48 am

The problem is you feel that way about EVERYTHING the Feds spend the evil rich people and evil corporations money on and you are unwilling to address the problem at hand.

Stop lecturing us until you’ve actually sent in that “few thousand dollars”.

Doggone/GA

June 15th, 2011
9:48 am

“It shouldn’t even be an issue”

And really, it isn’t. Some people just like to think they sound big by trying to make it one. It’s not really an issue until they get off their lazy backsides and go picket to stop the relief from being supplied to the victims. Which they’ll NEVER do.

AmVet

June 15th, 2011
9:48 am

Normal, Granny, and various others,

The reason you, and I, don’t “get” GLL, is because we’re not in the high IQ crowd!

Now. let’s discuss how Barack Obama is responsible for Mitt saying the bizarre crap that he did regarding tossing out the first line in Article 1, Section 8 of the United States Constitution.

(BTW, he cannot be trusted to sit in the West Wing, because clearly he would select activist judges!)