Ga.’s farm-labor crisis going exactly as planned

Gov. Nathan Deal signs a tough illegal-immigration bill on May 13.

Gov. Nathan Deal signs a tough illegal-immigration bill on May 13, with House Speaker David Ralston, left, and bill sponsor Rep. Matt Ramsey, right, looking on.

After enactment of House Bill 87, a law designed to drive illegal immigrants out of Georgia, state officials appear shocked to discover that HB 87 is, well, driving a lot of illegal immigrants out of Georgia.

It might almost be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

The resulting manpower shortage has forced state farmers to leave millions of dollars’ worth of blueberries, onions and other crops unharvested and rotting in the fields. It has also put state officials into something of a panic at the damage they’ve done to Georgia’s largest industry.

Barely a month ago, you might recall, Gov. Nathan Deal welcomed the TV cameras into his office as he proudly signed HB 87 into law. Two weeks later, with farmers howling, a scrambling Deal was forced to order a hasty investigation into the impact of the law he had just signed, as if all this had come as quite a surprise to him.

The results of that investigation have now been released. According to survey of 230 Georgia farmers conducted by Agriculture Commissioner Gary Black, farmers expect to need more than 11,000 workers at some point over the rest of the season, a number that probably underestimates the real need, since not every farmer in the state responded to the survey.

“The agriculture industry is the number one economic engine in Georgia and it is my sincere hope to find viable and law-abiding solutions to the current problem our farmers face,” Deal said in announcing the findings. In the meantime, Deal proposes that farmers try to hire the 2,000 unemployed criminal probationers estimated to live in southwest Georgia.

Somehow, I suspect that would not be a partnership made in heaven for either party.

According to the survey, more than 6,300 of the unclaimed jobs pay an hourly wage of $7.25 to $8.99, or an average of roughly $8 an hour. Over a 40-hour work week in the South Georgia sun, that’s $320 a week, before taxes, although most workers probably put in considerably longer hours. Another 3,200 jobs pay $9 to $11 an hour. And while our agriculture commissioner has been quoted as saying Georgia farms provide “$12, $13, $14, $16, $18-an-hour jobs,” the survey reported just 169 openings out of more than 11,000 that pay $16 or more.

In addition, few of the jobs include benefits — only 7.7 percent offer health insurance, and barely a third are even covered by workers compensation. And the truth is that even if all 2,000 probationers in the region agreed to work at those rates and stuck it out — a highly unlikely event, to put it mildly — it wouldn’t fix the problem.

Given all that, Deal’s pledge to find “viable and law-abiding solutions” to the problem that he helped create seems naively far-fetched. Again, if such solutions existed, they should have been put in place before the bill ever became law, because this impact was entirely predictable and in fact intended.

It’s hard to envision a way out of this. Georgia farmers could try to solve the manpower shortage by offering higher wages, but that would create an entirely different set of problems. If they raise wages by a third to a half, which is probably what it would take, they would drive up their operating costs and put themselves at a severe price disadvantage against competitors in states without such tough immigration laws. That’s one of the major disadvantages of trying to implement immigration reform state by state, rather than all at once.

The pain this is causing is real. People are going to lose their crops, and in some cases their farms. The small-town businesses that supply those farms with goods and services are going to suffer as well. For economically embattled rural Georgia, this could be a major blow.

In fact, with a federal court challenge filed last week, you have to wonder whether state officials aren’t secretly hoping to be rescued from this mess by the intervention of a judge. But given how the Georgia law is drafted and how the Supreme Court ruled in a recent case out of Arizona, I don’t think that’s likely.

We’re going to reap what we have sown, even if the farmers can’t.

– Jay Bookman

619 comments Add your comment

Left wing management

June 14th, 2011
3:32 pm

Nathan Deal is like Mitt Romney: a strip miner of human lives.

Stonethrower

June 14th, 2011
3:33 pm

I won’t believe crops are rotting in the fields until I see evidence. Scare tactics!

Soothsayer

June 14th, 2011
3:34 pm

The law of unintended consequences.

ProgressivePeach

June 14th, 2011
3:35 pm

My favorite line from Star Trek II: “I’m laughing at the superior intellect.”

Joe Mama

June 14th, 2011
3:36 pm

Did anyone see last night’s episode of “Squidbillies” on Cartoon Network? It also aired this morning on the West feed.

Long story short — the rich local business owner decided he really DID want to help fund the wall that the hillbillies were building around their county to keep the immgrant workers away. He decided it would give him a reason to relocate his factory to Mexico and hire cheaper labor anyway.

Soothsayer

June 14th, 2011
3:38 pm

Jay, it’s like I done said onced before about this new immigration law:

If you’re a Rightwing nutcase what’s got illegals a-workin’ fur ya, then you’re agin it.

If you’re a Rightwing nutcase what ain’t got illegals a-workin’ fur ya, the you’re fur it.

Jay

June 14th, 2011
3:39 pm

Sooth, these are the intended consequences….

arnold

June 14th, 2011
3:40 pm

It’s not just the farmers who will be left holding the bag. Many retail establishments will also. I understand many of the immigrants are already leaving and retail sales are slowing.

Finn McCool

June 14th, 2011
3:41 pm

Maybe we elect some adults next go around?

Left wing management

June 14th, 2011
3:41 pm

Actually, in all seriousness, I’ve got a better idea for bridging the worker gap, a ‘modest proposal’ if you will:

Let’s out-Wisconsin Wisconsin and out-Maine Maine and just go ahead and do away with all the remaining child labor laws wholesale and just let small children work the fields.

Julie T

June 14th, 2011
3:42 pm

It won’t effect corporate donations or his metro ATL and N GA base – so he really doesn’t care……let the crops rot!!!

Joe Mama

June 14th, 2011
3:43 pm

LWM, I don’t recall the details offhand, but children under 18 can work in agricultural jobs under certain circumstances. I’m afraid I don’t recall all the particulars, though; maybe some other poster can fill in the details.

Finn McCool

June 14th, 2011
3:43 pm

I’m surprised – surprised Republicans enacted a law that didn’t include a tax cut.

Perhaps we need an investigation!

Yahtzee

June 14th, 2011
3:43 pm

ty webb

June 14th, 2011
3:44 pm

boy o’boy, how did we ever do anything without those illegals?

Soothsayer

June 14th, 2011
3:44 pm

Jay, it seems like I remember a similar law being passed in Arizona a couple of years ago. And, lo and behold! the public went nuts because they couldn’t get their lawns mowed. The restaurants and motels and slaughterhouses has to pay a real wage.

Finn McCool

June 14th, 2011
3:45 pm

children under 18 can work in agricultural jobs under certain circumstances. I’m afraid I don’t recall all the particulars

Yeah, you just can’t work em 18 hours a day, 6 days a week like we used to….ahh, the good ole days.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 14th, 2011
3:45 pm

I like Deals idea of using state convicts. Make entering the country illegally a felony offense and then those farmers having trouble finding workers can get them back. I thought I read a week or so ago that over 50% of the farms are finding adequate labor. If that’s true I would wonder what they’re doing right versus those who’re reporting a problem.

saywhat?

June 14th, 2011
3:46 pm

Stupid is as stupid does.

I gotta vote me some more Republicans into office. First, nationally, they drive the economy into the ground, the deepest recession since the great depression. Now, as we are slowly digging our way out, the local repubs decide to cripple Georgia’s leading industry over xenophobia and bigotry, almost ensuring that Georgia won’t join other states in economic recovery.

How much do you want to bet that when Georgia crashes again, Republicans will say it was because they weren’t conservative enough, there weren’t enough tax cuts for the wealthy, and illegal immigration was to blame?

Stupid is as stupid does.

Left wing management

June 14th, 2011
3:47 pm

Reading about this, my vision of Nathan Deal was blurring into a Deliverance-esque vision of a 1950s sheriff kicking back with his boots on the table, chewing on a straw, saying: “yeapp, we’ll let them damn convicks werk them fields”.

Soothsayer

June 14th, 2011
3:47 pm

The law of unintended consequences is an adage or idiomatic warning that an intervention in a complex system always creates unanticipated and often undesirable outcomes. Akin to Murphy’s law, it is commonly used as a wry or humorous warning against the hubristic belief that humans can fully control the world around them. Many fields of study in the sciences and humanities embrace this concept, including economics, history, philosophy, political science, and sociology.

(From Wikipedia)

Joe Mama

June 14th, 2011
3:49 pm

Recon — “I like Deals idea of using state convicts. Make entering the country illegally a felony offense and then those farmers having trouble finding workers can get them back. I thought I read a week or so ago that over 50% of the farms are finding adequate labor.”

Aren’t there laws against using convict labor in private, for-profit enterprises?

Seems to me you’d need to change *several* laws to make this plan work, and in the meantime, farmers are taking a hit and their crops are going bad.

moonbat betty

June 14th, 2011
3:52 pm

There are plenty of able bodies to do the job.

Think outside the box of using illegal immigrant slaves, people!

Charlie

June 14th, 2011
3:52 pm

“Barely a month ago, you might recall, Gov. Nathan Deal welcomed the TV cameras into his office as he proudly signed HB 87 into law.”

He didn’t welcome all of them, you know…

Bosch

June 14th, 2011
3:54 pm

So the GOP runs off all the workers and are calling for cutting spending. Way to ruin the agriculture business guys! Good job!!

Peadawg

June 14th, 2011
3:55 pm

Unemployment numbers in Ga should be dropping now. Or are Georgians too good these jobs? Suck up your pride and get to work!!!

Boo Hoo

June 14th, 2011
3:56 pm

The farmers should pay a living wage with benefits to get the employees they need. They got so spoiled paying the slave wages to illiterate and unskilled illegals, they now cry cuz they have to do things the legal way. Boo Hoo! Sorry, no sympathy for greedy businesses who, for years, have violated the law! I’ll pay an extra nickel for a tomato if I have to. Quit yer whining already !!

ty webb

June 14th, 2011
3:57 pm

so where do these pitiful farmers fall when it comes to “serious” illegal immigration policy?…you know, the policy that “goes after the employers”?

Jay

June 14th, 2011
3:57 pm

That is correct, Charlie. I thought of that as I was writing that….

Scooter

June 14th, 2011
3:59 pm

Sounds like some waivers are in order.

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
3:59 pm

I do not condone using illegal laborers as workers, but this has been the reality in America for a LONG time. Lots of these people could now be working their way towards citizenship.

I hate this for the small farmer. I grew up with them and virtually all of my first jobs were working for them. Trust me, they absolutely break their backs to make a living. And there are only about a thousand things that can go wrong and hurt them badly in the pocketbook.

This is so typical for the cons. They never found a fire they couldn’t throw gasoline on.

READY! FIRE! AIM!!

Peadawg

June 14th, 2011
4:01 pm

” They got so spoiled paying the slave wages to illiterate and unskilled illegals, they now cry cuz they have to do things the legal way. ”

Bingo!

Bosch

June 14th, 2011
4:03 pm

I hate to have to say it, but you get what you vote for. I hope the farmers learn this lesson.

andygrdzki

June 14th, 2011
4:04 pm

So, in the month that since the signing of the bill, 11,000 workers have left the state? Food rotting in the fields….
WOW… where was this reported…. I think the report said there was a need, did it say the needs have not been met?

scrumpdillyicious

June 14th, 2011
4:04 pm

gather up all the “i’ll work for food” dudes at the north druid hills exit-two birds one stone-booyah!

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
4:05 pm

So, Jay, I guess your answer is to leave illegal immigrants alone. :roll:

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
4:06 pm

Bosch
June 14th, 2011
4:03 pm

What happened, Bosch, did your landscaper leave with them and now you have weeds all over your yard?

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 14th, 2011
4:06 pm

Joe Mama, with unemployment over 9% and in reality actually higher, it’s hard to make a case that there’s insufficient available labor. The cost burden of illegal immigration generally is a higher priority that we need to address and I can’t think of anything we can do other than make conditions too inhospitable for them to remain here. Removal of the job magnet helps to achieve it.

Bosch

June 14th, 2011
4:08 pm

Leg,

“What happened, Bosch, did your landscaper leave with them and now you have weeds all over your yard?”

No to both, why do you ask?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
4:08 pm

Left wing management
June 14th, 2011
3:47 pm

No, no, no, you got it all wrong. Not from “Deliverance”. More like Strother Martin in “Cool Hand Luke”. :lol:

poison pen

June 14th, 2011
4:08 pm

STOP!, don’t look up, the sky is falling. Maybe now the farmers will hire legal workers.

You libs want to punish the businesses for using illehal workers but obviously not the farmers, are they not a business.

Obama can now get legal workers with work permits and there shsouldn’t be a problem, end of story.

Bosch

June 14th, 2011
4:08 pm

So cons, when all them illegals leave, who are you gonna blame all the woes of your world on? I guess we still have the poor folks too.

getalife

June 14th, 2011
4:09 pm

Another gop anti business position.

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
4:09 pm

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out this so called problem. When you have plenty of jobs and plenty of people without jobs, that you put two and two together.

Crybabies all. Farmers for whining. Liberals for sneering. Unemployed for sitting on their duffs.

I think it is time to return to a basic peinciple. That is: if you want to eat then work!

poison pen

June 14th, 2011
4:10 pm

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”……

June 14th, 2011
4:05 pm

So, Jay, I guess your answer is to leave illegal immigrants alone.

Leg, that’s been all the libs answers.

Bosch

June 14th, 2011
4:10 pm

“Obama can now get legal workers with work permits ”

Since when did the Georgia agriculture industry become Obama’s to deal with?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
4:10 pm

Bosch
June 14th, 2011
4:08 pm

You said you “hope the farmers learn this lesson”. I guess when some landscapers are forced to leave you’ll “hope those rich home owners learn their lesson” as well.

moonbat betty

June 14th, 2011
4:10 pm

What is wrong with requiring welfare or unemployment beneficiaries to fill these jobs?

If there aren’t enough able bodies (there are more than enough), there are plenty of convicts that would rather pick fruit than sit in a 6×10 cell all day with Bubba.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
4:12 pm

Here’s what’s hilarious from the posts above. Not ONE liberal poster supports this bill ridding the state of illegals, nor do they offer a “legal” solution to the problem. Just beotching about a bill signed by a GOP Governor.

Granny Godzilla

June 14th, 2011
4:12 pm

Thank heavens for home garden, eh what?

The local produce will be to pricey and the stuff from the west coast may be radioactive……

poison pen

June 14th, 2011
4:12 pm

June 14th, 2011
3:59 pm

AmVet,

I do not condone using illegal laborers as workers, but this has been the reality in America for a LONG time.

So that makes it ok. DUH!

Bosch

June 14th, 2011
4:12 pm

Leg,

And? Your point?

ty webb

June 14th, 2011
4:13 pm

so last month it was a local restauranteer…today it’s those poor farmers. Should we expect a bleeding heart expose on how the bill is going to hurt the “spa” industry next month, Jay?…One can only hope for a “happy ending”.

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
4:14 pm

Peadawg, those farmers need a lot more help than just uniformed, simplistic non-answers..

But let me see if I understand you cons correctly.

You suggest that you’re gonna find 11,000 Georgians who will just pack up and move for weeks and months on end to………cotton fields in Moultrie and peanut fields in Richland and peach orchards in Fort Valley and onion fields in Vidalia?

For minimum wage?

You really think that fat, self-absorbed, lazy suburban men and women are gonna fill those jobs? Hell, their fat, self-absorbed, lazy kids won’t even do that work.

Neo-cons clearly don’t have the first clue about farming and harvesting crops. How could they? The only farm they’ve ever seen was on Green Acres.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
4:14 pm

Hey, Jay, care to provide some stats on the cost of the “rotting” produce versus the medical/law enforcement/educational, etc. costs attributed to those 11,000 illegals?

Bosch

June 14th, 2011
4:14 pm

“Not ONE liberal poster supports this bill ridding the state of illegals, nor do they offer a “legal” solution to the problem. Just beotching about a bill signed by a GOP Governor”

Well, gee Leg, you could have asked instead of speaking for all of us and using your tainted crystal ball because I agree that I think prison labor should be used. Didn’t feel the need to repeat it since it had been written.

Night Train

June 14th, 2011
4:15 pm

P PEN is correct. You libs wanted to punish the employers for hiring illegal workers and it seems that this HR 87 bill is doing just that and you’re whining about it. Makeup your minds, do you want to punish employers or not.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
4:16 pm

AmVet
June 14th, 2011
4:14 pm

So what you’re saying is there will never by 0% unemployment because some people care NOT to work for minimum wage, right? I agree.

Joe Mama

June 14th, 2011
4:16 pm

Recon — “Joe Mama, with unemployment over 9% and in reality actually higher, it’s hard to make a case that there’s insufficient available labor.”

Actually, it’s EASY to make the case that there’s insufficient available labor — at the prevailing wage. A change like this shouldn’t be made in a precipitous manner, and now we’re all going to suffer for it.

“”The cost burden of illegal immigration generally is a higher priority that we need to address and I can’t think of anything we can do other than make conditions too inhospitable for them to remain here. Removal of the job magnet helps to achieve it.”

If you’ve read other posts by me, you’d know I generally agree. However, hosing a major state industry on extremely short notice is not the way to go about doing it.

Bosch

June 14th, 2011
4:16 pm

“care to provide some stats on the cost of the “rotting” produce versus the medical/law enforcement/educational, etc. costs attributed to those 11,000 illegals”

Well considering no one keeps records on those things, any “data” provided would be kind of pointless or made up.

moonbat betty

June 14th, 2011
4:17 pm

“You really think that fat, self-absorbed, lazy suburban men and women are gonna fill those jobs? Hell, their fat, self-absorbed, lazy kids won’t even do that work.”

You pull their benefits if not.

Consider it a “character builder”

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 14th, 2011
4:17 pm

“Since when did the Georgia agriculture industry become Obama’s to deal with?”

Bosch, he was talking about shovel ready jobs that would keep unemployment under 8% back in 09. Why not agriculture?

poison pen

June 14th, 2011
4:17 pm

Night Train

June 14th, 2011
4:15 pm

P PEN is correct. You libs wanted to punish the employers for hiring illegal workers and it seems that this HR 87 bill is doing just that and you’re whining about it. Makeup your minds, do you want to punish employers or not.

Night Train,

They only want to punish the rich employers.

Peadawg

June 14th, 2011
4:17 pm

“P PEN is correct. You libs wanted to punish the employers for hiring illegal workers and it seems that this HR 87 bill is doing just that and you’re whining about it. Makeup your minds, do you want to punish employers or not.”

HaHa no kiddin…..

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
4:18 pm

Bosch
June 14th, 2011
4:14 pm

Is there a law or statute that says prisoners can be forced to pick cotton, fruit, onions, et al?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
4:19 pm

Bosch
June 14th, 2011
4:16 pm

Then maybe it’s “pointless” to complain about the loss of illegals in agriculture because the cost savings MAY outweigh the agricultural losses. It’s just another left attempt to trash a GOP Governor. Just sayin….

Doc

June 14th, 2011
4:20 pm

Let the farm families be ruined. I damn their crocodile tears and hope they fold quicker than a house of cards in a windstorm.

Let the state suffer for its cruelty and heartlessness. And flogging parolee’s? Why not just bring back slavery or indentured servitude? ANYTHING apparently except paying a living wage.

Bosch

June 14th, 2011
4:20 pm

Leg, @ 4:18

I have no idea. But it is my opinion that prison labor would be a good fix for this problem.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
4:21 pm

The righties still dont comprehend. Their answer is punish the “illegals” and no action for fix the issue of the need for their labor here until we “solve” the border problem. Deal and the Republicans played their “get tough” on some policy and did not think it threw. But the right still wont acknowledge that we need a solution to the entire situation and that the tough talk nonsense does not provide a solution.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 14th, 2011
4:21 pm

“Actually, it’s EASY to make the case that there’s insufficient available labor — at the prevailing wage.”

Joe Mama, I’d have to disagree.

Brad Steel

June 14th, 2011
4:22 pm

As opposed to hiring criminal probationers, Deal should recommend hiring registered sex offenders. It would make his suggestions seem more sincerely absurd.

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
4:22 pm

Hey,

Anybody who can sit at their conputer all day and blog can certainly sort peaches and pack heavy blueberries. You could eat some fruit on the side and get your extra vitamins & minerals. I say, draft the all day & night bloggers and put ‘em to work. Bye bye bloggers!! Cure the Crisis!!

Bosch

June 14th, 2011
4:22 pm

Leg @ 4:19

Why bring this issue up? Becaue we are talking about a major industry in this State with major economic consequences. Maybe that just doesn’t mean much to you. Who knows?

Joe Mama

June 14th, 2011
4:23 pm

AmVet — “You suggest that you’re gonna find 11,000 Georgians who will just pack up and move for weeks and months on end to………cotton fields in Moultrie and peanut fields in Richland and peach orchards in Fort Valley and onion fields in Vidalia?”

“For minimum wage?”

“You really think that fat, self-absorbed, lazy suburban men and women are gonna fill those jobs? Hell, their fat, self-absorbed, lazy kids won’t even do that work.”

“Neo-cons clearly don’t have the first clue about farming and harvesting crops.”

(applauds)

This is EXACTLY what I was thinking.

An out-of-work software programmer isn’t going to go down to Central GA for two or three weeks and live out of his car just to harvest Vidalias, and then go somewhere else to live out of his car and harvest something else, lather, rinse, repeat.

Moonbat Betty — “You pull their benefits if not.”

You pull someone’s unemployment insurance for *not* working? Honey, I don’t think you’ve thought this through very well. :D

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
4:23 pm

Bosch
June 14th, 2011
4:20 pm

You and I agree on this one.

But can you imagine the ACLU getting hold of this one? Forcing prisoners to work in the hot sun in the fields? Can you imagine the verocity of the protests if black prisoners were forced to pick cotton?

A few years ago I read where it takes in excess of $30K per year (I think that was the right number) to maintain a prisoner. I believe they should have to work it off. Put them in the fields, cleaning streets, whatever.

joe

June 14th, 2011
4:24 pm

You see problems, I see opportunity. If you need a job in GA, there you go. Might not be your first choice, but better than sitting around waiting for a govt handout. Get to work…you might drop a few lbs and get better health and a paycheck.

Granny Godzilla

June 14th, 2011
4:24 pm

Interesting tidbit…..GA law says prisoners can work for free.

Of course that was one of the issues in the Georgia Prison strike
last December.

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
4:24 pm

“So what you’re saying…”. Whenever I see that, I am dead certain that nothing but bullsh*t is gonna follow…

pen, spare me your puerile misrepresentations.

Had the rabid right bigots not gone batshiite crazy when Bush tried to implement some sanity to the situation, things could be different now. And perhaps considerably better.

But you fake conservatives don’t want pragmatic solutions. You want to stick to your guns and the devastation and ruined lives be damned.

Too bad you can’t just round up all of those people – hopefully with much violence – and just deport them, right? It’s more fun that way, right?

Is that your brilliant answer to this problem?

Honu

June 14th, 2011
4:24 pm

Seriously, poison pen — WTH does President Obama have to do with this? It’s a dang sickness, I tell ya. . .

Brad Steel

June 14th, 2011
4:24 pm

If you don’t make a profit after paying legal workers, you’re going to go out of business.

Unless, of course, you can get corporate welfare via those delicious farm subsidies.

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
4:25 pm

Silly Keep, 4:21

Republicans like to abide by the laws of the United States. Ever head of “illegal”? Did you ever once think of THAT?

poison pen

June 14th, 2011
4:25 pm

Jay, it’s about time.

Bosch

June 14th, 2011
4:26 pm

Leg,

“But can you imagine the ACLU getting hold of this one?”

If these prisoners were put in unsafe working conditions then they would have a case, otherwise I don’t think it’s an issue. I certainly agree that prisoners should have to work off their time. Definitely.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 14th, 2011
4:26 pm

The leftist Democrats and I will include Republicans haven’t offered a workable plan to deal with illegal immigration, so the states have been left with no other alternative. The left wants amnesty because they see illegals transitioned to citizens as a another voting block.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
4:27 pm

Bosch
June 14th, 2011
4:22 pm

I do care, but if we’re going to make an issue of the costs of NOT having illegal workers in agriculture, then before we advance the argument I believe we should look at the other impacts (medical/schools, etc) of them being here.

Using your logic, I could say you don’t care about the rule of law. I believe you do, but I could make that stretch based on your earlier posts.

BlahBlahBlah

June 14th, 2011
4:27 pm

Plantation owners used Bookman’s argument about 140 years ago. Only they weren’t talking about illegal immigrants.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
4:29 pm

AmVet
June 14th, 2011
4:24 pm

“AmVet”…Whenever I see that, I am dead certain that nothing but bullsh*t is gonna follow…

poison pen

June 14th, 2011
4:29 pm

Honu

June 14th, 2011
4:24 pm

Seriously, poison pen — WTH does President Obama have to do with this? It’s a dang sickness, I tell ya. . .

He has everything to do with this, he runs the damn country, it’s his job.
He just needs to pick up the friggin phone and make a call to immigration and have them get the ball rolling on LEGAL work permits.

Why should all the other nationalities suffer waiting for years to come to our country LEGALLY and the libs give a pass to the ILLEGALS, that’s just plain wrong.

Bosch

June 14th, 2011
4:30 pm

“but I could make that stretch based on your earlier posts.”

How? When have I ever wrote that I don’t care about the rule of law? For one thing I think we should look at those things too, but don’t let your tainted crystal ball get in the way of your leaps! :)

Gotta run, conference call….good God, how I hate those…….

Hillbilly D

June 14th, 2011
4:30 pm

Judging from the way things are in my area, I’d guess it’s the large farmers who are complaining, a lot more than the small farmers.

ty webb

June 14th, 2011
4:30 pm

“Too bad you can’t just round up all of those people – hopefully with much violence – and just deport them, right? It’s more fun that way, right?”

Amvet,
didn’t you get the memo. None of that is called for. Simply passing the bill has caused all them to leave. President Obama has actually deported more of “those people”, yet I haven’t heard a word from you condemning him for it. Which is odd, because you are normally such a fierce critic of the President…you tell us that quite often.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
4:31 pm

So now the proposal is that prisoners should work for private enterprise for free….. talk about picking winners and losers and acting out a few bad movie plots too.

And Dusty…do stopp beign silly. Bush tried to reform immigrations and the Republicans said no. The Republican rant has been no to any effort to make some comprehensive fix. Build the dang fence nonsense

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
4:31 pm

But we both know that you’ll read every one of my posts anyway, huh, meat?

Tundra Dude

June 14th, 2011
4:31 pm

JB wrote, in part:
If they raise wages by a third to a half, which is probably what it would take, they would drive up their operating costs and put themselves at a severe price disadvantage against competitors in states without such tough immigration laws.

I don’t know what their profits are, but maybe they shouldn’t be engraved in stone.
Fact: A cucumber picker earns less than 3 cents each. They retail for about 50 cents. Doubling the wages adds a mere 3 cents to the retail price. I’d guess it’s the same with onions. The pickers’ wages are a tiny fraction of the retail price. Looks like there’s plenty of room for profit.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
4:33 pm

Bosch
June 14th, 2011
4:30 pm

My point is that you seemed to be upset about the impact of illegals leaving the state. There were here illegally. End of discussion. That’s why I said I could make the stretch that you were against the rule of law. You seemed to be endorsing their illegal presence.

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
4:33 pm

Simply passing the bill has caused all them to leave.

And let me guess, you think Elvis is atill alive…

Jay

June 14th, 2011
4:33 pm

If you want to see the list of farm-subsidy recipients and amounts in Georgia ….

http://farm.ewg.org/top_recips.php?fips=13000&progcode=total&yr=2009&regionname=Georgia

Interesting nugget: 10 percent of the farms collected 82 percent of the subsidies in 2009.

Real Scooter

June 14th, 2011
4:34 pm

driving a lot of illegal immigrants out of Georgia.

It might almost be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

Jay,I don’t find it sad at all. Let them come back in the right way.

Joe Mama

June 14th, 2011
4:35 pm

Tundra Dude — “Fact: A cucumber picker earns less than 3 cents each. They retail for about 50 cents. Doubling the wages adds a mere 3 cents to the retail price. I’d guess it’s the same with onions. The pickers’ wages are a tiny fraction of the retail price. Looks like there’s plenty of room for profit.”

I’d be interested in seeing further breakdowns of this sort (e.g. cost per tater, cost per peach, cost per onion, etc). Do you have a link you could share, please?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
4:35 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 14th, 2011
4:31 pm

KUTGOOF, “talk about picking winners and losers”.

You mean like Obama gave TARP money to some companies and not their competitors? That kind of picking winners and losers, right?

TrishaDishaWarEagle

June 14th, 2011
4:36 pm

My extended family has 780 acres of peaches and pecans in ocilla, GA and they are not hurting one bit from the law. They never did hire illegals, and they pay a peicemeal rate (per bushel) which attracts the hardest workers because you can earn $200+ a day if you haul a**.

Those who based their profitability on illegal labor (much like the restaurant industry) may hurt but thats the chance they took.

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
4:36 pm

Liberals keep showing their “characteristics” here. #1 They don’t expect anyone to HAVE to work. #2 You should get paid (unemployment $) even if you are not working no matter how long it takes. #3 Picking & packing fruit & veggies takes a college degree in agriculture #4 Prisoners should not work in the hot sun. They might riot. #5 “Illegals” not only work, they also vote for Democrats. #6 Any governor who is a Republican cannot read or write. Only Dems can do that! #6 A majority of bloggers seem to be liberals who would NOT be seen pulling a peach off a tree. Illegal workers should be here to do it.

Democrtats are such a JOLLY (lazy) gang.

joe suggs

June 14th, 2011
4:38 pm

You mean the state will shutdown if we do not keep all the illegals ? If they get citizenship do you think they will work minimum wage jobs. No , they will collect welfare, food stamps, medicaid just like millions do now . Jay , you are not paying enough income taxes !!

ty webb

June 14th, 2011
4:39 pm

Amvet,
well, okay, maybe not all, but a lot of them(just look at Jay’s opening sentences)…and the bill’s only a few weeks old.

jasper

June 14th, 2011
4:39 pm

I must admit I do miss, all of the uninsured unlicensed drivers here in the burbs, as well as all of thos ESOL students, more pictures on the mugshot webpage, 20 laborers living in someone’s basement down the street, waiting in line at the indigent care emergency room. Its one thing to have laws, quite another to enforce them.

Hillbilly D

June 14th, 2011
4:40 pm

Interesting nugget: 10 percent of the farms collected 82 percent of the subsidies in 2009.

That may come as a surprise to some people but a lot of us have known that for years.

One thing that I think is being overlooked by most is that most crop gathering is done by piece rate, rather than by an hourly rate. That’s one reason they work such long hours, because they get paid by the bushel, by the pound, etc, depending on the crop.

BlahBlahBlah

June 14th, 2011
4:40 pm

Keep Up The Good Fight – it’s not prisoners, it’s folks on probation who are currently unemployed. It’s not free labor.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
4:41 pm

lump…you can make all the false equivalents you want. Its the right who argue that government should not pick “winners or losers”. Are you whining about TARP (which was passed by Bush) or are you saying its okay to repeat it in GA? So do you have an intelligent response? You want to use prisoners to work for free for some private enterprise. Do you understand the consequences and costs of your simple solution?

Mike

June 14th, 2011
4:41 pm

So you are for illegal immigration and since the jobs don’t come with medical benefits you are saying Obamacare has failed? Right?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
4:42 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 14th, 2011
4:41 pm

If you actually posted something intelligent you may actually get an intelligent response. Just sayin….

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
4:43 pm

Blah…so you now want to use people on probation to perform labor but not for “free”. At what cost? What is the program?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
4:45 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 14th, 2011
4:43 pm

KUTGOOF, so I guess your solution is to invite the illegals to return. Niiiiice.

The Anti-Wooten

June 14th, 2011
4:45 pm

Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?

Next year Deal will ask Labor, Agriculture and Corrections to put together a plan for how many workers are needed. That way he can just order the Gestapo to put more folks in jail to ensure an adequate peach crop.

Jay

June 14th, 2011
4:46 pm

Tundra Dude — “Fact: A cucumber picker earns less than 3 cents each. They retail for about 50 cents. Doubling the wages adds a mere 3 cents to the retail price. I’d guess it’s the same with onions. The pickers’ wages are a tiny fraction of the retail price. Looks like there’s plenty of room for profit.”

Using those facts, another way to look at it is you just raised the price of a cucumber by 6 percent.

Hope for many

June 14th, 2011
4:47 pm

11k jobs. Hmmm…seems as though those students who are worried about having to come out of pocket for a whole $1000/year now to go to a GA college might like to put in 3 or 4 weeks of work now to pay for a year of school. What a deal (no pun intended).

Unemployment in many rural counties runs in double digits, I would think there are available laborers. If there aren’t, it would be because drawing unemployment is more lucrative?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
4:47 pm

The Anti-Wooten
June 14th, 2011
4:45 pm

Are there no laws? Should we not enforce those laws?

Real Scooter

June 14th, 2011
4:48 pm

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
4:36 pm

ROFLMAO!!!!!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
4:48 pm

lump…. do show where I said your stupidity. I imagine Jay will invite you to the jerk list before lone…tick tick tick.

Anti-Wooten…exactly. free workers for all until we round them all up.

Ace

June 14th, 2011
4:48 pm

No benefits, only seasonal work, #1 Economic Engine in Georgia-These guys must be making a fortune without having to have a labor force to deal with. I bet all companies would operate this way if given the chance. If the agricultural industry can’t survive without what amounts to illegal immigrant slave labor, perhaps they should develop a new business model and play by the rules of every other business in this country.

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
4:48 pm

None of you cons have apparently ever lived in agricultural communities

Otherwise, you wouldn’t come up with these goofball ideas. 11,000 probationers wandering around god’s green earth? Puhleeze.

Certainly, everyone of you cons have buddies who are unemployed or terribly underemployed. (Thanks to Barack. LOL!)

Don’t they need some Vitamin D?

But here’s the kicker, those boys would work at about a quarter the speed of Juan and Maria.

And Dusty, your Whopper filled face wouldn’t last one day in those fields. Not one.

Joe Mama

June 14th, 2011
4:49 pm

Jay — “Using those facts, another way to look at it is you just raised the price of a cucumber by 6 percent.”

That’s not an insignificant price increase, but it’s not a world-ender, either. Heck, gas has gone up more than 6 pct this year, I’d wager.

I’d pay a nickel more per piece or can of produce so workers could get a living wage.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
4:50 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 14th, 2011
4:48 pm

KUTGOOF, “do show where I said your stupidity. I imagine Jay will invite you to the jerk list before lone”.

Ummm, care to translate?

Cory

June 14th, 2011
4:50 pm

If you think it is scare tatics come to Ashburn Ga I can walk you through a dozen watermelon fields and let you see the fruit rotting in the field. I think it is safe to say that Deal will not be reelected.

Tundra Dude

June 14th, 2011
4:50 pm

Joe Mama wrote:

I’d be interested in seeing further breakdowns of this sort (e.g. cost per tater, cost per peach, cost per onion, etc). Do you have a link you could share, please?

I know I had exactly that info, a while back. I was outraged when cukes were, for a time, selling for 99 cent each!! I just Had to know what the actual labor cost was.

Think it was U of Iowa had a report/study on this. “How much is that Tomato?”
I’d be glad to look for any links I might have saved, when I get back….just got called for emergency babysittin’ for a twee year old, (she adores me).

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 14th, 2011
4:51 pm

1) All of you lazy North Georgians out of work get down to South Georgia and pick that fruit !

Note: Sure it’s hot and dangerous (could be a snake or two) but nothing like our troops are going through and you get paid more. Camp out in pup tents just like the grunts do and you don’t even have to worry about rockets, RPG’s, mines, snipers or mortars. What a deal!

2) All of you sons and daughters, cousins, friends, etc. ot those farmers in South Georgia get down there and pick that fruit. At least salvage some of it instead of whining.

3) Jay ……… take a leave of absence from your job here and get down there and pick that fruit.

St Simons - we're on Island time

June 14th, 2011
4:52 pm

Well, duh, the greedy cons make more money this way.

They don’t have to pay a living wage to anybody, and
the beauty of the “freee market” sends the price through
the roof. Clever cons.

We would’ve gladly paid a little more for food, for a
transparent system of living wages for Americans and
hope-to-be Americans that could get a hearty supply
of food to the Publix, but nooooo, not these cons, no sir.
They want it ALL.
Why don’t they just make it their campaign slogan,
it fits on a bumpersticker – “let em eat cake”

Remember what happened to her, cons. You remember that.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
4:53 pm

If you use prisoners to perform work for free for private enterprise, you encourage possible false convictions just to “man” the fields. You also “compete” with the free market to provide labor and distort it. You ignore the costs to the state to monitor the prisoners. Are you busing prisoners 100s of miles. Who houses?

Limit it to unemployed and on probation and you have a number of other questions. But again, why is the free market not providing the labor?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
4:53 pm

Cory
June 14th, 2011
4:50 pm

Run Roy again and Deal will be a lock for a 2nd term.

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
4:54 pm

Keep,

Is it possible for you to post somethng without mentioning Bush? I don’t believe you can do it. Bush had a workers program in place. It is still in place but it takes a little trouble to use it.

Why don’t you pick some peaches for a change? It might make you remember that Bush is no longer president. Judging the way things look, you might wish you hadn’t produced all that ugly propaganda about him when considering Hope & Change is but dust in the distant past.

Hillbilly D

June 14th, 2011
4:54 pm

Georgia has about 150,000 probationers, now.

Jay, you might find this interesting.

Went to your link and checked the subsidy list for the two zip codes closest to me.

Taking the top 5 from each list, for a total of 10, 3 are being paid subsidies for lands in other states, one is a former long time county official, who retired after a career of full time work in that job, one is a member of another profession who is now waiting to be sentenced for breaking laws related to his profession, and 2 or 3 actually make a living from farming,

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
4:57 pm

Dusty… do make sense. Bush did try immigration reform. I was giving him credit. And if a poster blames TARP on Obama you dont want to correct him with the accuracy. But you’ve got the don’t blame bush nonsense talking point.

I just checked the history books…why it looks as if Bush was never president.

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
4:57 pm

St Simons,

You’ve been listening to too many conch shells on the beach. Get a new bumper sticker. “Let ‘em pick peaches!”

BlahBlahBlah

June 14th, 2011
4:59 pm

Keep Up – the cost would be the prevailing market wage. They’re out of jail, on probation, and unemployed. There are jobs available if they want them.

Joe

June 14th, 2011
4:59 pm

Legalized work force vs. Legalized slavery… Democrats never run from their past. Bring out the plantations.

Jay

June 14th, 2011
4:59 pm

That doesn’t surprise me, HD, especially in your neck of the woods. Not many (legal) cash crops I’d imagine.

md

June 14th, 2011
4:59 pm

Sounds like the folks mailing out unemployment checks need to point an arrow in the direction of the openings…………..

Joe Mama

June 14th, 2011
5:00 pm

1811 — “All of you lazy North Georgians out of work get down to South Georgia and pick that fruit!”

Well, isn’t that *just* like a conservative — demanding that someone else clean up their messes.

“nothing like our troops are going through and you get paid more.”

I question the assertion that you’d get paid more for picking produce than for totin’ a rifle.

J bills

June 14th, 2011
5:00 pm

Farmers can get all the temporary workers that they want using the H2A visa program. End of story ! Farm labor employers in the Southeast are increasingly using a federal program that allows them to import foreign workers on a temporary basis. The H-2A Temporary Foreign Worker Program for Agriculture requires the employers to demonstrate a shortage of U.S. laborers. http://www.aces.edu/pubs/docs/A/ANR-1244/

Jack

June 14th, 2011
5:01 pm

Bookman knows all about this farm stuff: he knows because he was born on a farm and had to hoe a row. And plow with a hard tail.

RAMBLE ON!!!

June 14th, 2011
5:02 pm

Hmm, you mean those folks collecting unemployment checks for the same amount of money (probably better) these last 2 years don’t want to go work in the 90 degree heat?

SHOCKED I TELL YOU, I’M SHOCKED!!!

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
5:02 pm

Keep,

You did all you could but YES Bush was president for eight years. You JUST can’t get over it. Time to move on and notice who’s running the show now. Haven’t heard you nitpicking every detail about the numerous problems presided over by Pres. Obama. Wonder why that is. Tunnel vision?

Jay

June 14th, 2011
5:02 pm

Interestingly, Jbills, only 7.5 percent of the farmers responding to the survey said they participate in the H2A visa program that brings them legal temporary migrant workers.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
5:03 pm

Yes Blah, that is the current situation. You want someone who has never been a farmer worker to relocate from their current situation (possibly living with friends or family) and looking for a job (hoping they find one to with a future) to move for low wages to some other city and this is the magic solution.

Do you not think that these people can determine their own economic analysis? You want to force them rather than tell private enterprise to entice them.

Real Scooter

June 14th, 2011
5:04 pm

Dang,I’m confused as usual.
Some of y’all are bashing cons for hiring illegals and some of the same ones are bashing them for trying to get rid of the illegals. Whew!

md

June 14th, 2011
5:04 pm

Some here seem to be advocating for perpetual employment by illegals……..I don’t see that as a viable option. Migrant programs have worked in the past, and still work now……I don’t feel too much sympathy because some farmers took a shortcut…………but that’s just hardass me…….

Soothsayer

June 14th, 2011
5:04 pm

Jay, I’ve just had a eureka moment! I’m going to invent a traveling, air-conditioned, picking dome that workers — unaccustomed to the blazing hot Georgia sun — can use when picking those agricultural products. Just think about it! No need to break a sweat! You can just ride along in air-conditioned comfort, reclining and picking that fruit, vegetable, whatever. Now soft college students, city folk, whoever, can come on down to South Georgia and pick them fruits and vegetables. What do you think? Does it have chance? Tell me I’m not off-base here!

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
5:04 pm

JACK

BOOKMAN plowing? I wondered where he got all the dirt.

Jay

June 14th, 2011
5:04 pm

Also, HB 87 DOES phase in its employer requirements. What’s happening is that workers are responding and perhaps even overreacting to the anti-immigrant sections of the bill, which take effect immediately. They’re spooked.

dumblicats

June 14th, 2011
5:04 pm

About time one of these redumblicans did something right.

“Even though I’ve supported this tax credit, for all of the years that I have served in both the House and Senate, I think the time has come,” said Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R, Ga.), in a sign of the changing political climate. “I do not intend to support an extension of that tax credit beginning from the expiration at the end of this year.”

Regarding ethanol tax breaks

Mr Right

June 14th, 2011
5:05 pm

With high unemployment why can’t farmers find LEGAL workers ? I kind of get the feeling it’s like why work when you can sit back and do nothing and the gov will take care of you.

Joe Mama

June 14th, 2011
5:07 pm

J Bills — “Farmers can get all the temporary workers that they want using the H2A visa program. End of story !”

And here’s why more ag employers don’t use the program. From the linked matter:

The H-2A has visa requirements intended to protect workers from exploitive working conditions. Employers are required to provide the following benefits to workers:

The employer must offer the H-2A worker the same wages as comparable U.S. workers. This follows the prevailing wage established by the DOL.

The employer must provide the worker with an earnings statement detailing the worker’s total earnings, the hours of work offered, and the hours actually worked.

The employer must provide transportation to and from the worker’s temporary home as well as transportation to the next workplace when the contract is fulfilled.

The employer must provide housing to all H-2A workers. The housing must be inspected by DOL and must satisfy appropriate minimum federal standards.

The employer must provide the necessary tools and supplies to perform the work.

The employer must provide meals or facilities in which the workers can prepare food.

The employer must provide worker’s compensa- tion insurance to the H-2A workers.

Hillbilly D

June 14th, 2011
5:08 pm

Jay

A good many of the subsidies in this area go for cattle. There is some for corn and soybeans but not that much, and a lot of that goes to feed the cows. The really big agriculture up here is broilers and I could be wrong but I’m not aware of much in the way of subsidies for them.

The people who are actually making out the best at farming are those who’ve figured out how to get folks to pay to walk through a cornfield or to ride on a wagon and look at pumpkins. There’s one born every minute I guess. ;-)

Mr Right

June 14th, 2011
5:08 pm

Why are they spooked? It’s because they are ILLEGAL! They need to be spooked.

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
5:09 pm

“Regarding ethanol tax breaks.”

Oooh wee. Archer Daniels Midland is not gonna be happy…

wet wiccan

June 14th, 2011
5:09 pm

Times have certainly changed. I grew up in Kansas in the early 1960s. It was common for teenage boys to spend their summers off from school following the wheat harvest. I remember my brother did it for 2 summers.

pogo

June 14th, 2011
5:09 pm

Whining is an art that farmers perfected years ago. They whine, the government intervenes with subsidies. They whine, the government intervenes with tax breaks for them that no other business has access to. They whine, the government, through its lack of enforcement of immigration policy, provides them with a slave class of cheap labor such as the hispanics to make them rich. Meanwhile, all of us non-farmers have to foot the social bill of having these immigrants here,

The mythical small farmer struggling to make ends meet is a thing of the past. We now have a new breed of large farmers that have become totally dependent upon taxpayer dollars and special government “deals” to make themselves rich. And if they don’t get their way to sustain their high level of living, they whine. All of you that think that farmers are struggling should come to South Georgia and look at the onion and the pine-straw barons that have built their empires solely on having cheap -illegal immigrant labor. I laugh when someone states that the farmers are struggling. It is bullcrap.

Farming is a business and as a business it should have to subscribe to the same rules and laws of every other American business. If they cannot compete without illegal alien labor or special subsidies or tax breaks, then they should go under.

I suspect Jay’s empathy is not so much with the farmers. His real motive is having all of those democratic votes for progressive candidates that he thinks will be provided by the illegal immigrants who, if nationalized, will surely vote democratic because they too will become part of the entitlement nation that Jay and the liberals have created. Hell, they already are.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
5:09 pm

Joe Mama
June 14th, 2011
5:07 pm

So then, in your mind, who’s at fault?

The bill?

The evil GOP legislators?

The greedy farmers?

The unemployed?

Those who do not WANT to do this type of work?

Just curious.

ty webb

June 14th, 2011
5:10 pm

“even overreacting to the anti-immigrant sections of the bill,…”

Jay,
“anti-immigrant”? good one…and what sections are those?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
5:12 pm

More “Hope and Change”…

‘In five days, the administration will be in violation of the War Powers Resolution’ on Libya…

THE OTHER WAR: Secret US, Afghan talks could see troops stay for decades…

Real Scooter

June 14th, 2011
5:13 pm

md

June 14th, 2011
4:59 pm

Your idea would not only create a protest but a full blown riot! :lol:

Mr Right

June 14th, 2011
5:13 pm

Hillbilly D— I own about 200 cattle and I’m not aware of any subsidies for cattle.

Hillbilly D

June 14th, 2011
5:13 pm

I’ll leave y’all to argue about farming while I go work in the garden until dark. Y’all get everything settled before I get back. ;-)

Joe Mama

June 14th, 2011
5:14 pm

Mr. Right — “With high unemployment why can’t farmers find LEGAL workers ? I kind of get the feeling it’s like why work when you can sit back and do nothing and the gov will take care of you.”

This sort of work — harvesting produce — is short-term, seasonal work. It’s not a steady gig most of the time. You move around a lot, to wherever the ripe produce is, and you work for whoever will hire you. The farmer who pays you to harvest cabbages probably isn’t the same guy who will hire you to pick onions, and there are probably different farmers who will hire you at different times to pick peaches, blueberries and whatever other produce there is in your region.

When there’s nothing to be picked, there’s no work and no income. This sort of ag work is *not* a career. That’s why few Americans do it.

My wife’s dad used to be an accountant for one of the big ag outfits on the West Coast, and my grandpas farmed on the side (when they weren’t down in the Ohio coal mines). I’ve picked corn, cabbages, peppers, beans, grapes and I’ve even cut/baled/stored hay and alfalfa. It’s hard work and it doesn’t pay well, or even regularly. That’s why it’s hard to get Americans to do it.

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
5:14 pm

wiccan, now you’re talkin’ my language.

We had this mini “army” of men and equipment (tractors, combines, trucks, etc) that came into our tiny town every summer that contracted with the locals to harvest the wheat. They started out in Texas and moved north with the summer, all the way up into the Dakotas.

Which brings up a good point. Do any/most of the young men in places like Americus and Albany and Macon, work for the local farmers in the summer?

J bills

June 14th, 2011
5:14 pm

@JAY The farmers do not participate because they want to be free to pay slave wages and no benefits. They also do not want to have to abide by Federal Rules regarding the employment of H2A visa holders. Sic The program has a number of benefits for employers, most notably the assurance of a legal, documented workforce and the reduction of labor turnover with the resulting loss in productivity. The program is not without costs, however. The negotiation of bureaucratic hurdles in receiving labor certification and issuing visas to the workers can take time and cause frustration.

Hillbilly D

June 14th, 2011
5:15 pm

MR

There are some, follow Jay’s link. They aren’t nearly as lucrative as people would think, though. In my area, for a big operation, they’d probably average $3000-$4000 a year. Individually, that’s not all that much but multiply it times the whole country and it adds up.

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
5:18 pm

Hey HillBilly,

Don’t knock us poor ol’ city folks who might think riding on a wagon looking at pumpkins is fun. Well, I haven’t looked at pumpkins but I surely do like to ride a piece and gaze at the mountains. Now that’s free but it can’t be beat. Makes me want to go just thinking about it.

josef

June 14th, 2011
5:18 pm

Well, well, well…are they reaping what they sowed or not? There went a lot of taxes from the farms just when we needed them most, there go a lot of farms down the tubes, just when the banks least need to go foreclosing, and HEY Y’ALL there went the peaches for the ice cream and the watermelon just in time for the celebration of our independence…

Folks tried to tell ‘em, but would they listen? Ohhh, nooo. But hey, we can just feast on piss and vinager since we still seem to have a good supply of that…

But, as Granddaddy always said, act in haste, repent in leisure…

Contractor

June 14th, 2011
5:19 pm

Why aren’t the unemployed or welfare communities forced to work in these fields? Or why aren’t criminal chain gangs forced to give back to society instead of taking from it?

Bosch

June 14th, 2011
5:20 pm

Leg Lamp,

For one thing, I hate conference calls, they bore me to death and it’s hard for my ADD self to keep up.

Two, no, I’m no upset over illegals leaving the State — I don’t lie awake at night worrying over such things either way.

Three, I’m going to go fix me a drink.

Later gators.

Joe Mama

June 14th, 2011
5:20 pm

Leg Lamp — “So then, in your mind, who’s at fault?”

I really don’t think any one party’s at fault here. I think that farm employers have to take some of the blame, because they’ve been getting over with undocumented immigrant labor for a long time.

I think that GA lawmakers deserve part of the blame, because they didn’t have to shove this through as fast as they did, and I don’t think they’re prepared to deal with the blowback.

I think that Federal lawmakers deserve part of the blame, because with tough enforcement and a vigorous ‘bracero’ program, we could have plenty of inexpensive LEGAL immigrant labor.

I don’t really blame the smaller farmers and the immigrant laborers; they’re simply trying to hang on economically and I don’t think either group really had a voice in how this bill got written.

I also don’t see how you can blame Americans who don’t want to do that sort of work — there’s no future in it and it doesn’t pay well at all. You might get a handful of desperate Yanquis taking the jobs on, but of the few that do, I think even fewer will stick it out for more than a week.

As I said, I’m okay with paying more so that the workers can have a living wage. Heck, if wages for farm labor were better, you might get more Americans to take it on. Isn’t that what industries have to do when they have a labor shortage?

Uncle Jed

June 14th, 2011
5:21 pm

The AG industry will find a solution. Allowing our laws to be broken was never a sound strategy. I would rather pay 50 cents more per pound of produce than stoop to supporting lawlessness, which seems to be a case of one not looking past the end of one’s nose.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
5:21 pm

Bosch

June 14th, 2011
5:21 pm

One last thing before I pour that drink:

Hillybilly,

I thought the same thing earlier about big farmers v. small farmers. Aren’t big farmers usually contractors for big AgriBusiness firms? I wonder how Saxby plays into all this and what he thinks.

Soothsayer

June 14th, 2011
5:23 pm

“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

– Anonymous

Joe Mama

June 14th, 2011
5:24 pm

Mr. Right — “I own about 200 cattle”

Dairy or beef cattle? Now you’re in my pop’s line of work.

J bills

June 14th, 2011
5:24 pm

@JoeMama Thats exactly why the farmers do not participate …. They have become accustomed to exploiting Illegal labor,and they feel that they should not have to follow the law because they were so used to breaking It for so long ! American citizens have said ENOUGH,and now the States are finally starting to listen. It’s time to RESPECT OUR LAWS,and Illegals are ILLEGAL!

Mr Right

June 14th, 2011
5:24 pm

I laugh when someone states that the farmers are struggling. It is bullcrap.
Pogo@ 5:09

It’s funny when someone else is struggling I guess. Farming is like any other business, some do good some struggle I happen to be in the middle I’m making it but wonder for how much longer. By the way I have farm with only family workers.

.

Mr Right

June 14th, 2011
5:27 pm

Joe– Dairy

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 14th, 2011
5:27 pm

Soothsayer

June 14th, 2011
5:29 pm

Leg: why, I think that was a great video!

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
5:30 pm

http://i.pbase.com/o3/15/850715/1/133359625.pbNTxGs0.DSC_0679a.jpg

It may not look like much now, but there was a time when that thing was going non-stop with fully loaded wheat trucks coming and empty ones leaving.

The largest wheat producing county in the largest wheat producing state in the largest wheat producing country in the world.

And I can still remember the wonderful taste of those 10 cent Pepsi Colas.

I’ve been gone for 40 years, so I’ve completely lost track of farming, and I imagine old man Blankenship and Mr. Wyckoff are long dead by now, but I wonder if anyone in their family took over their farms. Sadly, I suspect pogo is right. Massive conglomerates own most of the land now.

But back then it was 16 hour days when I was 16. And I loved it.

My first real taste of making money and American capitalism…

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
5:30 pm

Something mighty strange here. We have a FARM Labor CRISIS ’cause nobody wants to pick peaches ’tis said. But; I’ve been buying peaches in the store for $.49 /lb. Some crisis! I guess those peaches fell off the trees and rolled into Atlanta.

Which reminds me I’m having some PEACH CRISP for dinner. Soooo long.. until the next crisis!.

Joe Mama

June 14th, 2011
5:32 pm

Mr. Right — My dad’s an agricultural scientist and a professor at a major Suthun university. His undergraduate degree was in microbiology, but his specialty is dairy and beef cattle.

I was running around underfoot on dairy farms before I was old enough to have a bicycle. :D

Do you anticipate any problems to your operation arising out of this situation? For example, do you think you might have problems obtaining feed for your herd?

I don’t know what you feed your livestock, but if it’s something that was normally harvested with undocumented immigrant labor, I could see you running into a BIG problem awful soon.

josef

June 14th, 2011
5:33 pm

Uncle Jed

.” I would rather pay 50 cents more per pound of produce than stoop to supporting lawlessness”

Looks pretty much like you’re about to get your druthers….that is if that pound makes it to the shelves at all…

JOE MAMA
@ 5:15

Good points, there about the nature of migrant labor…but, hey, don’t you know those blueberries just magically appear in little plastic wrapped packages put there by fairies overnight…enjoy them while you can, though, Deal and his lot are out to be rid of the fairies, too!

Jokes aside, this is but the tip of the iceberg (lettuce?) The hospitality industry is on the line and good ole convention in the colonies capital of occupied Atlanta is gonna cost a good bit more when we’re emancipated from the yoke of the foreign invaders from the south…

Soothsayer

June 14th, 2011
5:33 pm

Amvet: I had to open that in Internet Explorer. Hey, isn’t that sorghum in the foreground?

wet wiccan

June 14th, 2011
5:34 pm

AmVet

I thought you might have been a part of those summer harvests. There used to be a grain elevator owned by the Garvey family that was one mile long that you could see for miles.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 14th, 2011
5:34 pm

Joe Mama:

Here I am doing your research again !

Assuming Jay’s figures are true :

@ $8 an hour X 40 hours a week X 4 weeks ……. that comes to about $1,280 per month.

A private first class in the infantry makes $1,644 a month (plus food, medical and clothing) but before you go “see !” remember that’s for work @ 24 hrs. X 7 X 4 or $2.44 per hour …………….. AND your getting shot at, etc.

So ……………… the fields of South Georgia are still a heck of a deal !

willydoit?

June 14th, 2011
5:35 pm

I think the bill did exactly as it was intended. So we pay a little more for our vegatables, the money we save in our hospitals and schools will be well worth it.
I have never understood why America ever let Mexico get the way it is…take the damn country over and help them repair it…we do it all over the world, why not in our own backyard???

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 14th, 2011
5:36 pm

Dusty :

LOL ! Fabrication of a crisis for pollitical purposes.

It’s very hard to pull off now in the age of the internet ……… that has leveled the playing field.

josef

June 14th, 2011
5:37 pm

Speaking of peaches, are those Georgia peaches on the shelves at $.49 a pound…? And I’m not being a snarky jackass, do we really check the origins of those fresh fruits and vegetables we consume at relatively cheap prices year round now?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
5:39 pm

josef
June 14th, 2011
5:37 pm

Good point. We don’t want to slip in any of those foreign peaches like Vietnamese peaches, Bangladesh peaches, or Florida peaches. :lol:

Joe Mama

June 14th, 2011
5:39 pm

1811 — “Here I am doing your research again !”

And it’s so kind of you to do it. :D

“@ $8 an hour X 40 hours a week X 4 weeks ……. that comes to about $1,280 per month.”

“A private first class in the infantry makes $1,644 a month (plus food, medical and clothing) but before you go “see !” remember that’s for work @ 24 hrs. X 7 X 4 or $2.44 per hour …………….. AND your getting shot at, etc.”

Yeah, um, harvesting work isn’t an 8-hour day, buddy. And that PFC’s getting three hots and a cot, along with his work clothes, full medical coverage, life insurance and a pension plan. The ag worker’s getting none of that.

“So ……………… the fields of South Georgia are still a heck of a deal !”

Still got to differ with you, buddy, but I agree that not getting shot at is DEFINITELY a selling point for those jobs. :D

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
5:41 pm

It is, Soothsayer. (LOTS of cows out there!)

A tiny little slice of heaven called Perth, Kansas…

I went to the two room school there until the seventh grade.

Seems like a hundred years ago…

josef, I just bought some peaches, today. They’re from South Carolina. This may not sit well with the local yokels, but the Cali peaches are, IMHO, the best…

willydoit?

June 14th, 2011
5:41 pm

Why is it that the liberals are for keeping illegal aliens here in America working for slave wages to keep our groceries cheap? but won’t let us drill for oil and build new refineries to keep our gas prices cheap??

Joe Mama

June 14th, 2011
5:42 pm

josef — “And I’m not being a snarky jackass, do we really check the origins of those fresh fruits and vegetables we consume at relatively cheap prices year round now?”

The ones you see fresh in winter are generally from South America, but sometimes way overseas, too. Grapes from South Africa, asparagus from Peru and all sorts of fruit from Chile.

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
5:42 pm

As in 1866, it’s going to be tough weening Georgia off slave labor.

Slavery was the easy answer back then just as it is now and funny thing: it was the Democrats who fought against emancipation of the slaves back then also.

Democrats. they never change.

Mr Right

June 14th, 2011
5:42 pm

Joe–so you know what it’s like to be on a dairy farm, most people don’t have a clue! Heard of some who thought chocolate milk come from brown cows or some who thought powdered milk comes from dry cows. Ha No we won’t have any problems since we raise most of our own feed for our cows.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
5:43 pm

willydoit?
June 14th, 2011
5:41 pm

Harumph, harumph!!

josef

June 14th, 2011
5:43 pm

All y’all waxing nostalgic for the farm…not me…I like it here in the air conditioned comfort getting paid to sit here at the computer and jabber with the neighbors across town, too…most miserable times of my life was when I was forced into that d*mned cotton field…no siree, not a pleasant memory… :-)

Uncle Jed

June 14th, 2011
5:46 pm

I don’t think they are counting the illegals in this report. There are plenty of workers IF they will work. But why work when you can suck on the federal teat? Well….?

1.9 Million Fewer Americans Have Jobs Today Than When Obama Signed Stimulus

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/after-28-months-stimulus-spending-19-mil

Real Scooter

June 14th, 2011
5:47 pm

willydoit?

June 14th, 2011
5:35 pm

Good point! If you tell the neo-cons about that it just might happen.

Joe Mama

June 14th, 2011
5:48 pm

Mr. Right — “Joe–so you know what it’s like to be on a dairy farm, most people don’t have a clue!”

Well, that experience caused me to embarrass the heck out of my parents when I was in preschool. We were having a presentation about farm animals, and when the teacher asked us where milk came from, I boldly spoke up and asserted that it came from the ‘cow’s t***y.’

Whoops. Good thing I wasn’t familiar with poultry farms; I might have said that eggs came from a hen’s a**.

The teacher INSISTED on having a word with my parents when they came to pick me up. :D

Jim Bob

June 14th, 2011
5:49 pm

Who picked the beans thirty years ago? Just askin’.

Thomas

June 14th, 2011
5:50 pm

“So cons, when all them illegals leave, who are you gonna blame all the woes of your world on?”

Chin up and smile on the face. Our great work force will take over. California is starting to crater and New York will do as well. We have the best work force in the world and we need to stop insulting the great workers from Mexico who have to risk their lives to escape what should be a solid country. We need to stop enabling the Mexican leadership with beers in the Rose Garden and perhaps tell them to get their act together. Or we can continue to allow our leadership to pander to their failures in a continued attempt to sell our country out for their votes. Pretty crystal clear to those with a couple of brain cells.

Uncle Jed

June 14th, 2011
5:53 pm

josef

June 14th, 2011
5:33 pm
Uncle Jed

.” I would rather pay 50 cents more per pound of produce than stoop to supporting lawlessness”

Looks pretty much like you’re about to get your druthers….that is if that pound makes it to the shelves at all…
++++++++++++++++++++++++
Suits me just fine and my local supermarket has plenty of fresh picked Georgia produce. There are peaches; squash; onions; cucumbers; melons; and more. No pineapples, papaya or mango ;-)

josef

June 14th, 2011
5:53 pm

The peach thing…I was just wondering if the Georgia peaches were making it to market…but, Leg lamp, it do seem to me that Florida and South Carolina peaches WOULD qualify for exclusion, seeing’s how they are still using illegal labor there…I mean we DO need to be consistent… :-)

Joe Mama…
I do pay attention to that…being a politically correct knee jerk liberal, there are some places I won’t buy from…

Mr Right…

Cows and milk and which ones it comes from…we were out in the country one day and passed a herd that, well, didn’t look particularly happy about something or other, as Unmentionable said, “maybe not mad, but highly discontent…” The kids were still little at the time, and he says to them, “there, children, are the sour cows. That’s where we get buttermilk from” :-)

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
5:54 pm

Thomas

It isn’t illegals that have screwed everything up. It’s the Democrats.

RW-(the original)

June 14th, 2011
5:54 pm

Sometimes costs go up while you’re going about figuring out who moved your cheese, but the choice is never just to stomp your feet and let your crops rot until your cheese comes back. It never completely does so its best you start learning to adapt sooner rather than later.

Joe Mama

June 14th, 2011
5:55 pm

GLL — “It isn’t illegals that have screwed everything up. It’s the Democrats.”

And if we get into your fields, we’ll sour the milk, rot the potatoes and blight the corn. It’s all a scientifical fact.

deegee

June 14th, 2011
5:56 pm

Will someone please inform us how much Georgia has saved in hospitals and schools after enacting Chip Rogers’ tough anti-illegal immigrant laws in 2006 and 2009? How much have we saved? Where are the statistics? Considering all of the state’s financial problems we can’t be saving much.

vnv

June 14th, 2011
5:58 pm

I thought the tax cuts they (Legislators) enacted, that provided for the market system to work, would cure/correct all problems. Now we see how that worked out for us.

josef

June 14th, 2011
5:58 pm

JOE MAMA
@ 5:48

Well, if you’d been in MY class, you’d've gotten an A!

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
5:58 pm

willydoit?

When we are forced to drill in third world countries for oil, the standards for pollution are almost non-existant so the welfare of the people in other countries means nothing to the people forcing us to drill there.

So Democrats pollute their lands and when they come here, they force them to work as slave labor.

The they try to claim that it’s the Republicans who don’t care about brown people.

Mr Right

June 14th, 2011
5:59 pm

Joe– That’s hilarious! We’ve had some city folks come on the farm and ask some dense questions.

Common Cents

June 14th, 2011
6:01 pm

Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t these farmers breaking the law all of these years by hiring illegal aliens to do their work? Wasn’t this simply a matter of knowing that their right-wing buddies weren’t going to enforce the laws on the books?

I have no compassion for accessories to a crime, or co-conspirators as it were. If they lose their farms, it’s because they built them on a foundation of ill-gotten gain.

I’m glad Georgia put its foot down in this case. I can’t stand Republicans, but in this case, they got it right.

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
6:01 pm

Joe Mama

It’s Democrats that want poor brown people to work for almost nothing so yes, now that this practice is ending, it will take a while for the economy to adjust.

I’m against slavery. How about you?

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
6:03 pm

Yep, I’m sure glad those godly conservatives fought so hard (and even died in some cases!) to end segregation and de facto racism in this country!

Those damn nosy, northern, liberal Jews and Catholics tried to fight it tooth and nail to keep the entrenched bigotry in place, but the cons won that battle!

Real Scooter

June 14th, 2011
6:03 pm

And if we get into your fields, we’ll sour the milk, rot the potatoes and blight the corn. It’s all a scientifical fact.

ROFLMAO!!!!

md

June 14th, 2011
6:04 pm

“The farmer who pays you to harvest cabbages probably isn’t the same guy who will hire you to pick onions, and there are probably different farmers who will hire you at different times to pick peaches, blueberries and whatever other produce there is in your region.”

Sounds like the farmers need to create an employee exchange program………had they not had the shortcut of illegal labor available, I’d hazard a guess they would have already figured it out……..the market will correct it one way or another………..

Left wing management

June 14th, 2011
6:04 pm

Leg lamp: you’re exactly right about Cool Hand Luke! I saw that one not long ago and that was exactly what I had in mind.

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
6:05 pm

AmVet

“Yep, I’m sure glad those godly conservatives fought so hard (and even died in some cases!) to end segregation and de facto racism in this country!”

That’s exactly right. The people who were fighting against integration were Democrats and the people fighting for integration were Republicans. Ever heard of the Solid South? Do you know what that means?

josef

June 14th, 2011
6:05 pm

RW

:…best you start learning to adapt sooner rather than later…”

Which is exactly what I was trying to say about act in haste and repent in leisure…

And y’all yapping about “savings” on medical, school, etc…
The Texas Comptroller a few years back, a big proponent of “ship back home they’re a drain…” commissioned a study on just that to prove her point…she came out backtracking…turned out that, all things considered, the illegal element of Texas population put in some $15 million in profit…certainly not all that much in today’s economy, but hardly a drain, either…

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
6:08 pm

Liberals ended the very worst of the conservative bigotry and racial hatred. At least your ability to get away with scott free.

Own it cons. We kicked you sorry asses then and haven’t looked back very much…

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
6:09 pm

josef

Do you have any statistics on how much slave labor was making for the South during the 1860s? It was substantial. So should we have kept slavery in place?

Joe Mama

June 14th, 2011
6:10 pm

GLL — “It’s Democrats that want poor brown people to work for almost nothing”

So the carpet plants in Dalton are all Democratic-owned, huh?

And poultry farms and meatpacking plants are, too, huh?

And construction and landscaping firms are chock-full of the blueness, right?

Effing PLEASE, GLL. Even you can’t possibly believe that.

“so yes, now that this practice is ending, it will take a while for the economy to adjust.

Wise and prudent lawmakers would have seen this coming and would have made adjustments to keep the consequences to a minimum. Since they didn’t, GA farmers are likely to suffer significant and avoidable losses right when they need to be harvesting.

I did a consulting gig at Fireman’s Fund Insurance about 10 years ago, and from what I understand about their crop insurance products, they don’t pay claims on AVOIDABLE losses. So the state might just find itself the subject of lawsuits from farmers who want to be made whole for their crop losses.

“I’m against slavery. How about you?”

Absolutely. Which is why I’ve been advocating a tamper-proof national ID card, a quick-check database for ALL employers to use when checking a prospective hire’s bona fides and HARSH, STIFF penalties (including jail time) for ALL violations of same — I don’t care if it’s Ed’s Lawn Care or Hormel Meats violating the law.

I’ve said *all* of these things right here within the last two months. Sorry I don’t fit into your convenient box or label, GLL. :p

md

June 14th, 2011
6:11 pm

As for all this talk of higher prices for produce………nah, as the illegals go back to their home countries we can start buying from them as their labor will still be cheap……..but then the bitching will continue about offshoring jobs…….probably by those on unemployment………….

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
6:11 pm

AmVet

LOL! You really know nothing about history do you?

CAn you name a single Southern Leader that was a Republican during the civil rights movement? A single Governor?

Again: do you understand the term Solid South?

Now please, let’s have some more big talk about kicking asses. I’m sure it makes you feel all powerful.

Joe Mama

June 14th, 2011
6:13 pm

Arright, I’m out. My wife needs tending to, and a woman like that you’ve got to feed every day. ;)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
6:13 pm

Wow, all those Dem CEOs sending business overseas to exploit the workers there.

Nonsense is free, Honesty is lacking.

J bills

June 14th, 2011
6:13 pm

I grew up on a farm In the Fresno,California. My grandparents ran the farm and we all worked there. We are all “white”. All of my friends parents that had farms from Sanger to Orange Cove and employed “whites”….. That all changed after the 1986 AMNESTY that was forced on the AMERICAN PEOPLE by Ronald Reagan. There was a lot of talk about enforcing our Immigration laws after that fateful decision,but the Federal Government made a concious choice to look the other way,and let Illegals flood Into the work force. American citizens have said ENOUGH ! It Is time for the left wing news media,and all of the “spin doctors” to start speaking the TRUTH Instead of writing articles like this one that have NO BASIS IN FACT WHATSOEVER,and Ignore the real problem(s) In this debate. What don’t you understand about ILLEGAL ?

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
6:14 pm

Joe Mama

DO you see the discussion here? Did you read Jay’s article. It’s democrats that want to point out what a horrible economic condition is made by stopping the practice of underpaying brown people who have no legal rights. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Uncle Jed

June 14th, 2011
6:14 pm

I may be wrong, but peaches making it to the table seems to be a “b-list” topic right now unless the goal is to always discuss what some feel puts their adversaries in a poor light. Everybody should consider making http://www.drudgereport.com a part of the daily education if interested in news stories often passed over by other media outlets. He doesn’t write the material but simply posts the links and makes it available. Some are opinion pieces, but a major portion are straight news accounts.

Obama and the democrat party are in deep doo-doo if the country keeps slipping IMHO. Bush is now gone and nobody will be listening to the old line; “It’s all Bush’s fault”, come election day 2012. Who was it not too long ago who coined, “It’s the economy, stupid.”

US Housing Crisis Is Now Worse Than Great Depression
http://www.cnbc.com/id/43395857

Real Scooter

June 14th, 2011
6:14 pm

Wasn’t this simply a matter of knowing that their right-wing buddies weren’t going to enforce the laws on the books?

NO,the laws were not being enforced,left or right wingers.Get over your hate for anyone!

md

June 14th, 2011
6:15 pm

“So the state might just find itself the subject of lawsuits from farmers who want to be made whole for their crop losses.”

Doubt that would get very far…….the opening question would have to do with something about knowingly hiring illegal workers and it will be all down hill from there…………

josef

June 14th, 2011
6:16 pm

“I have no compassion for accessories to a crime, or co-conspirators as it were. If they lose their farms, it’s because they built them on a foundation of ill-gotten gain”

Remember that about “compassion for accessories to a crime, co-conspirators…” when the price hits you at the check-out stand at the grocery store or at the check-in at the nice hotel, or the check for dinner out…we’ve ALL been co-conspirators in this debacle…

SOLUTION

Arrest the illegals. Put ‘em in jail where they belong. Then furlough them out to pick peaches for free…hey, not a bad idea…why didn’t we think of this before…oh, yeah, and make them speak Engrish…they could learn our folk songs…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmZdvVnMXCc

They BOTH Suck

June 14th, 2011
6:18 pm

@Good little liberal

Good point about AmVET and history……….. make sure YOU put it all into context and not just what fits your agenda and ideology………

Although the phrase “Southern strategy” is often attributed to Nixon political strategist Kevin Phillips, he did not originate it,[2] but merely popularized it.[3] In an interview included in a 1970 New York Times article, he touched on its essence:

From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don’t need any more than that… but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That’s where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.[4]

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
6:18 pm

josef

They don’t need to be jailed. Just stop giving them the incentive to stay here.

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
6:18 pm

Can you name a single southern leader who tried to implement racial equality who was a conservative?

No.

Unless you really do think Bull Connor was a liberal. Do you?

Do you propose that George Wallace was a liberal or an arch-conservative?

What about Jesse Helms? Was he a far-left liberal?

You conservatives were on the wrong side and you lost. Liberals, progressives and moderates stomped you cons back into the underground (get it?) where you belong.

Own it…

Gm

June 14th, 2011
6:21 pm

Good old Georiga wth their 10 good old boys in the background, the picture with the tradition white male will continue to keep Georgia the bottom feeder of the south.
Please show me how many of these white males are going to work in the field for $7 hr? what bunch of hicks in this state””

md

June 14th, 2011
6:22 pm

The illegals that are here is not the greater problem………securing our borders is the problem. We need to fix one before worrying too much about the other……..without taking care of problem #1, problem #2 will continue infinitum………..

josef

June 14th, 2011
6:22 pm

GLL

Before you go off preaching at me as someone in favor of the illegal migrant labor…I’m on record here over and over as calling it the 21st Century version of the slave system of labor in latifundist agriculure and the service sectors…

As for the figure…I do not have statistics on hand, the closest I can come to right here is that Natchez, Mississippi in 1860 had more millionairs than any other city in the US…today Adams County is among the 25 poorest in the country…so, go figure…and, just to make sure we do keep this in perspective for the Imam and knee-jerk company…Adams County and Natchez were pro-Union and opposed to secession…of course they were also pro-British and anti-Revolutionary in the Revolution…

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
6:23 pm

They BOTH Suck

Are you saying that 100 years of overt racism and violent acts against Blacks by Democrats is justified because of The Southern Strategy?

The Republicans were pro-integration. The South was integrated and the shame of the Democrats was pushed out so what was the reasonable result? The South became Mostly Republican.

Unfortunately, the most racist parts of our country, like Boston are still controlled by the democrats. It is slowly changing, but it takes a long time to end that kind of shame.

They BOTH Suck

June 14th, 2011
6:24 pm

AmVet

What many purposely fail to see is that Johnson called it when he said the Democrats would lose the south when he signed the civil right legislation, because he knew Republicans would be capitlizing on fear mongering to scare white

Anyone who would like to dispute this, please see the “Southern Strategy” used for over 30 yrs by Republicans as well as the APOLOGY given by 2 of the last 3 RNC Chairman about the southern strategy and its efforts to scare whites from the Democrat Party

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
6:25 pm

josef

So if you believe that underpaying illegal immigrants is parallel to slave labor, why do you keep seeming to support Jay’s article? i.e. are you for it or agin it?

They BOTH Suck

June 14th, 2011
6:27 pm

Liberal

You can play all the D and R games you like, but the demographics of each Party is much different today………. The ones you right call Dems in the south over the last 40 yrs in terms of demographics are now Repubs for the most part……

Not condoning anyone’s or Party’s behavior….. just pointing out that you intentionally framed an argument that was not totally in context

See my post @ 6:24

I’m out for a run………

Everyone have a good night

Uncle Jed

June 14th, 2011
6:27 pm

@AmVet

June 14th, 2011
6:18 pm

You unintentionally left a couple guys off the list. I can’t say with certainty, but weren’t Robert “KKK” Byrd and Lester “Pickrick” Maddox donkey jockeys? An honest oversight, right?

josef

June 14th, 2011
6:27 pm

ZamVet

First Jewish Senator, first Jewish governor, first (elected) Jewish Congressman, first Jew nominated to Supreme Court, first Jew to sit on the Supreme Court, etc., etc..how many Catholics sat in Davis’ cabinet, Catholics in the Senate, House? Which states voted for Al Smith… where were they from? Just let’s make sure we keep these things in perspective…

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
6:28 pm

The best part of all, of course, and the real kicker, is how the cons still feign not being able to figure out the real reason as to why blacks, Jews, Latinos and virtually all other minorities almost always vote OVERWHELMINGLY against them.

And have for many, many decades.

Poor misunderstood cons. They were just trying to help!

HA!

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
6:30 pm

Robert “KKK” Byrd and Lester “Pickrick” Maddox?

Arch-conservatives.

Or do you contend they were ultra-liberal?

Keep on losing. After 50 years, you cons should be used to it…

They BOTH Suck

June 14th, 2011
6:30 pm

Uncle Jed

Dont forget Strom Thurmond

Was he a racist only as a Democrat?

Uncle Jed

June 14th, 2011
6:31 pm

Is WEINER still acting prickly? I haven’t heard much about Little Anthony and his Imperial today.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
6:31 pm

why do you keep seeming to support Jay’s article? i.e. are you for it or agin it?

Why I did not know that Jay’s article was a for or against opinion. It makes clear that the Republicans passes a tough illeegal immigration bill and now businesses are complaining to the GOP government and the GOP government is struggling to find a solution to its “tough talk” after the fact rather than having addressed the issues as part of good legislation.

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
6:32 pm

They BOTH Suck

LBJ was an overt segregationist. (He was from Texas after all) The Voting Rights Act was drafted by Republicans and scared the Northern Democrats to death because of what had happened to the Dixiecrats in the late forties. The needed the solid South to stay in the game because of the close race between JFK and Nixon. Once JFK won, he actually tried to tone down the Voting Rights Act, but the Republicans refused.

After JFK’s death, LBJ wanted to submit the Act so it could be solidly defeated and it would end the controversy. And sure enough, several Democrats filibustered the act but was shamed by the National Media into lifting the filibuster and to the shock of LBJ, it passed. At that point, there was nothing he could do but sign it. that’s why he made that statement about losing the South.

Mighty Righty

June 14th, 2011
6:32 pm

Democrats have always been the party of slavery. Al Gore Sr., Robert Byrd, Strom Thurmond, Lester Maddox, to name a few. The party has a history of holding down people of a different color just to keep Georgia’s crops competitive. First cotton, now Vidalias. This may be the reason for Obama’s open border policy. This is the fundamental change Obama talked about. Open the border, don’t arrest them, or deport them, and sue any state that dares try to defend its own border. Just keep that cheap labor coming. The U.S. will need this source of cheap labor in order to survive Obamas dream of the U.S. as a third world agrarian country.

md

June 14th, 2011
6:32 pm

“not being able to figure out the real reason as to why blacks, Jews, Latinos and virtually all other minorities almost always vote OVERWHELMINGLY against them.”

Promised compensation???

Please AM……both sides do it…..let’s not act like those voting on either side do it solely on ideology…………….

Uncle Jed

June 14th, 2011
6:33 pm

pogo

June 14th, 2011
6:34 pm

Amvet, I worked in the tobacco fields in South Georgia (starting at the age of 7 and I worked in them until I was 16 upon which I graduated up to a grocery bag boy in a local grocery store). My wages went from $5.00 a day when I first started up to $20.00 dollars a day in the tobacco fields. And you know what? My family was proud to have that money and I was proud to be able to give it to them. Besides, it left me with a little money to spend or save as I saw fit. Those days in the tobacco fields were some of the most enjoyable and most formative I ever had. I worked side by side with an assortment of people and all of us were treated equally no matter of color or economic status. All of us were poor blacks or poor whites but we were all getting what we needed to live. All of us got a fine lunch (or dinner as we called it here in the South) provided by the farmers wife and we usually ate in the yard in the shade because the farmers houses were too small to accomodate us all. Besides, it was cooler in the yard because there was no air conditioning. I think many in our society would do well to start working in the fields again. There is nothing but honor to be gained by it and one hell of a lot of knowledge about how life operates and how to get along with people different from ones-self.

We even listened to Alice Cooper on an old 8 track in an Impala while “hanging” tobacco. This was completely radical for the deep south in 1970. But we did it and nobody critisized us for it. To the adults we were just being “youngins”. As long as we did our work they didn’t care. That is as it should be. We produced and the let us be.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
6:34 pm

Lest the stupidity spin on the KKK is forgotten, the Klan was heavily involved in both parties in the 1920’s,

As for the success of the Republicans in implementing conservative positions, a most impressive case in point is immigration restriction, a cause the Klan vigorously espoused. The Republicans delivered on this with the Johnson-Reed Act of 1924 which targetted precisely those nationalities the Klan labelled most dangerous. The Klan vociferously opposed the role of Catholics in public life, to cite another important issue. Since these Catholic officeholders and office seekers clustered in the Democratic party, it was the Republican party which provided the candidates to oppose them. The Klan supported Prohibition. It was Coolidge and then Hoover who carried the standard of “the noble experiment,” as Hoover called it.

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
6:35 pm

AmVet

Robert “KKK” Byrd and Lester “Pickrick” Maddox?

Both Democrats. Both died Democrats.

The flaw in your reasoning is that you still don’t see the overt racism that STILL exists in the Democratic Party. As Walter Williams says: What the democratic Party has done to the Black Demographic far exceeds the wildest hopes and dreams of any KKK Grand Dragon.

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
6:36 pm

“Why I did not know that Jay’s article was a for or against opinion.”

I know.

Real Scooter

June 14th, 2011
6:37 pm

md

June 14th, 2011
6:22 pm

I equate that to – fix the leak,then mop up the water. I can understand it better that way!

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
6:37 pm

“Lest the stupidity spin on the KKK is forgotten, the Klan was heavily involved in both parties in the 1920’s,”

Any proof other than that one lawmaker that no one has heard of?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
6:38 pm

GLL — oh do prove your little diatribe. “for or against” in Jay’s article…..or are you just blabbering again. The precise words please.

md

June 14th, 2011
6:38 pm

And POGO hits the nail on the head…….we as a nation have gotten fat, lazy and spoiled…..and the other not fat, not lazy and not spoiled people on the planet now want theirs……….

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
6:39 pm

AmVet
June 14th, 2011
6:08 pm

You haven’t looked back because you relocated down here. Better jobs, climate, quality of living, prettier women, the list goes on and on.

To borrow from the late, great Lewis Grizzard (and I’m paraphrasing) – something you won’t hear in a bar in Atlanta on a Friday night: “Hot damn, I’ve been transfered to New Jersey”.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
6:39 pm

One little lawmaker? GLL your ignorance is showing.

josef

June 14th, 2011
6:40 pm

GLL

Supporting Jay’s article…? Not particularly, I have my own opinions on this subject and all I’m saying is that be careful what you ask for. Act in haste…I have never been in support of this dependence on undocumented and rightless labor, but I find it rather hypocritical that we go attacking the folks we ENCOURAGED to come under the wink-wink policy that we all benefitted from. It’s that same hypocracy found in the North in the ante-Bellum period when the textile industry took off and profitted from the sweat and toil of the slaves…

My own argument here is that in jumping on the bandwagon of herd ‘em up and ship ‘em back where they came from, we’re not looking at what the cost of just such would be…

Just as there was no plan for what to do once ideological abolition was effected, there is no plan for once ideological illegal alien is effected…

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
6:40 pm

We can go back and forth all day about which party did what or supported what. I’ll add to the mix – the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would not have passed without the efforts and support of the GOP.

Jim b

June 14th, 2011
6:41 pm

Pay a fair wage, hire Americans and stop the taxpayer services to the illegals! We already pay an arm and a leg for groceries so a few more cents is not going to hurt us!! The education costs, food stamps and free healthcare costs will all go down.
I congratulate you Georgia.

md

June 14th, 2011
6:41 pm

“I equate that to – fix the leak,then mop up the water. I can understand it better that way!”

Evidently still too hard for our misfits to figure out………………their solution seems to be perpetual amnesty…….or in your case….screw fixing the leak……buy lots of mops………

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
6:41 pm

Alabama’s Klan played a leading role in the 1928 “bolt” against national Democratic presidential candidate Al Smith, and nearly swung the state’s vote to Republican Herbert Hoover.

Per Alabama Dept of Archives and History.

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
6:43 pm

Keep up

Calm down kid. Apparently josef sees his point. It’s not my fault that you can’t. Standing with your tiny little hands on your hips and spitting is probably not the best way to get your point across but then again, it that’s what you have, then that’s what you have. Now how about calling me a child. THat always works sooooo well.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
6:43 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 14th, 2011
6:41 pm

KUTGOOF, was that about the time Robert “KKK” Byrd was starting to fire things up in West VA or was he a mere babe wrapped in a swaddling white robe and hood?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 14th, 2011
6:44 pm

Well, time to start a draft. Not the army kind. The kind where you pull people passing thru out of cars and put them to work. We use to have that to handle forest fires. If a fire broke out and there wasn’t enough people to fight it, you could make people passing thru get out and help fight it. We could do the same thing with people driving thru south Georgia. Just pull them out and give them a hoe. It wouldn’t hurt these fat old people with nothing to do but drive to FL to put in a few days work on a farm. Besides, this is a emergency. Just think of all the rednecks that won’t be able to afford farm produce if there’s a shortage.

Otherwise, I think old Nathan done stepped in it. There won’t be a big farmer within 300 miles that will give him a dime for his next campaign. He’ll be more a one-termer than Obama.

I mean, I’m for getting rid of the illegals and all that, but I didn’t think they’d go and get rid of the parts of the illegals that helped me. You can’t take everything us Conservatives say as gospel. Ain’t you got any common sense? Just hassle them a little bit, but don’t make them stop working so we can save some money.

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
6:45 pm

Josef

Herding them up and shipping them back is not what the Georgia Government is doing. They are taking away their incentive to stay here. I think it is brilliant.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
6:46 pm

Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)
June 14th, 2011
6:44 pm

Not bad, but give them a shovel rather than a hoe. That way Obama could take credit for “shovel ready jobs”. :lol:

louis

June 14th, 2011
6:46 pm

I was just in Vidalia Georgia visiting..The really big onion farms aren’t faring all that badly because they can afford to pay more. It’s the smaller, family farms that are getting cut out of business. Nate Deal and his cronies have been around the block. They know upfront this kind of law would put a lot of the small farms out leaving easy pickings for the large food conglomerates like ConAgra who own these politicians. He has no personal interest whether John Farmer loses his small family farm, which has been in his family for 100 years, to the bank where it is bought at foreclosure by a bottom feeder who sells it at pennies on the dollar to ConAgra. This is happening all over Georgia, yet folks in these rural areas are more concerned w/ abortion rights and gay marriage instead of what truly is going on. Wake up idiots! Once your land and farms are gone…they’re gone.

md

June 14th, 2011
6:47 pm

As for picking the produce……don’t strawberry farms give folks a bucket and say have at it?

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
6:47 pm

pogo, GREAT story. Love it. And at the risk of sounding like a Nazi, work sets you free.

As for Alice, I remember, late in boot camp, we were allowed off base one time. As we were riding in the bus past the barracks of the guys who were already out of basic and were stationed there full time, I heard somebody cranking this. (I knew then, I had a reason to keep on living!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhI_khA8w-I

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
6:48 pm

Oh Nonsense kid..you can’t prove it so you attack. Again, its simple, the article is at the top of the page. Jay’s words…prove your claim. Surely you can do what any simpleton can with the words you claim exist.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
6:48 pm

louis
June 14th, 2011
6:46 pm

So then you’re endorsing small farmers hiring illegal aliens….

Mighty Righty

June 14th, 2011
6:48 pm

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
6:28 pm
The best part of all, of course, and the real kicker, is how the cons still feign not being able to figure out the real reason as to why blacks, Jews, Latinos and virtually all other minorities almost always vote OVERWHELMINGLY against them.

And have for many, many decades.

Poor misunderstood cons. They were just trying to help!

HA!

And the liberal media told everyone it was the soccor moms that elected Clinton and Ob

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
6:50 pm

Lump, I don’t know. Its clear however that the KKK was involved in both parties despite the unsupported fiction of some.

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
6:50 pm

Keep Up

I can’t prove what Jay said in the Article? Try reading it.

Calm down kid.

md

June 14th, 2011
6:50 pm

“He has no personal interest whether John Farmer loses his small family farm, which has been in his family for 100 years, to the bank where it is bought at foreclosure by a bottom feeder who sells it at pennies on the dollar to ConAgra.”

If any business is set up dependent on being illegal, might be time for it to go………..or do we advocate that ALL business shoot for some form of illegal activity to keep them going?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
6:51 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 14th, 2011
6:48 pm

I’m trying to keep up while bouncing from one website after another, but to who were you directing this latest post?

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
6:53 pm

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”……

He has imploded again. When he gets like this, who knows what he is talking about.

Soothsayer

June 14th, 2011
6:54 pm

Redneck, I’m with you they should ship ‘em all back to Mexico . . . except the guy who cuts my lawn, and, hey, that guy that picks my vegetables — well, he can stay — and the guy that slaughters them chickens, he can stay. And the guy that serves me them burgers and . . . what were we talking about?

Real Scooter

June 14th, 2011
6:54 pm

Just as there was no plan for what to do once ideological abolition was effected, there is no plan for once ideological illegal alien is effected

josef,would you mind taking the time to restate that more simple? Please.

josef

June 14th, 2011
6:57 pm

Good fight…

1928, popular vote for Smith

Arkansas 60%
Georgua 56%
Louisiana 76%
Mississippi 82%
South ‘Car 91%

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/data.php?year=1928&datatype=national&def=1&f=0&off=0&elect=0

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
6:58 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 14th, 2011
6:50 pm

Agreed. Bad apples in both parties. Always have been, always will be.

By the way, those apples wouldn’t be bad if we had illegals to pick them before they rotted. :cool:

Real Scooter

June 14th, 2011
7:00 pm

Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)

June 14th, 2011
6:44 pm

ROFLMAO!!!!!

louis

June 14th, 2011
7:00 pm

“If any business is set up dependent on being illegal, might be time for it to go………..or do we advocate that ALL business shoot for some form of illegal activity to keep them going?”

And you are naive enough to believe ConAgra doesn’t import and supply illegals for farm labor? Are you actually advocating the total demise of the American farm? These migrants farmers have been picking our lettuce and other produce for at least 50 years; why wasn’t it a problem then? This is a wake up call for immigration reform; you’re tossing the baby out with the bath water here. Come have a chat next year when a head of lettuce, if you can find one, costs 8 bucks.

josef

June 14th, 2011
7:01 pm

Scooter

We do a lot of big talk. We clothe it in all matter of moral-legal jargon. We feel good. Then when the sh*t hits the fan we have no plan for cleaning up the mess. We wonder why it stinks in here.

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
7:03 pm

From Wiki

In an 1868 newspaper interview, Forrest stated that the Klan’s primary opposition was to the Loyal Leagues, Republican state governments, people like Tennessee governor Brownlow and other carpetbaggers and scalawags.

In effect, the Klan was a military force serving the interests of the Democratic party, the planter class, and all those who desired restoration of white supremacy. Its purposes were political, but political in the broadest sense, for it sought to affect power relations, both public and private, throughout Southern society. It aimed to reverse the interlocking changes sweeping over the South during Reconstruction: to destroy the Republican party’s infrastructure, undermine the Reconstruction state, reestablish control of the black labor force, and restore racial subordination in every aspect of Southern life.[41]

The Ku Klux Klan soon spread into nearly every southern state, launching a “reign of terror against Republican leaders both black and white.

LOL!!

md

June 14th, 2011
7:04 pm

“These migrants farmers have been picking our lettuce and other produce for at least 50 years; why wasn’t it a problem then?”

You do a bit of research, and you will find migrants are still here….and always welcome……

There is a difference between migrant labor and illegal labor……..look it up.

As for Conagra and illegals……..if so, I have no problem with them suffering the consequences of such action……….

Are you advocating for anarchy?? We get to set our own laws to suit our businesses??

Now that would be a hoot…………..back to the wild wild west…….

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
7:05 pm

josef
June 14th, 2011
7:01 pm

“We wonder why it stinks in here.”

Is it because of all the rotting produce that wasn’t picked by illegals? :cool:

Truth Squad

June 14th, 2011
7:05 pm

Meanwhile Obama is at 70% and rising with Latino voters. That is more than he got in 08.

Republicans can say bye-bye to Florida, North Carolina, New Mexico,Colorado and perhaps Georgia, Arizona and Texas (if not in 2012, most certainly in 2016). Even Republican strategists are saying that their base must expand if they wish not to be a permanent minority politically.

No one even mentions Asians and Native Americans who also vote better than 2-1 Democratic.

And let’s not ignore, or excuse away that the under-30 cohort is also better than 2-1 Democratic. They know they are getting screwed, and they know it’s not the black dude in the White House doing the screwing.

The Republican Party as we know it is in it’s waning days. If they don’t win in 2012, it’ll be another generation before we see a Republican in the White House.

md

June 14th, 2011
7:06 pm

“Come have a chat next year when a head of lettuce, if you can find one, costs 8 bucks.”

Highly doubtful…….if it gets that high, demand will go down….as will the price or production……..that is called the free market…..supply and demand dictate the quantity and the price……..

josef

June 14th, 2011
7:06 pm

louis

Pretty much in your corner there…carpetbag scalawags of Yankee corporate imperialism,,,

Leg lamp…

I prefer the Chilean, New Zealand, and South African Granny Smiths…and I feel ever so good about keeping the Bolivian and Peruvian, Maori, and Zimbabwean migrant laborers at work…

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
7:07 pm

Good little liberal
June 14th, 2011
7:03 pm

Well, you DID quote the source to end all sources…Wiki. Perhaps an ancestor of JB Stoner was a journalist?

Real Scooter

June 14th, 2011
7:08 pm

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
6:47 pm

AS usual,your music choices are awesome! I mean :killer” :grin:

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
7:08 pm

josef
June 14th, 2011
7:06 pm

LOL! Great way to end the day. Have a good one, all.

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
7:09 pm

Lamp, LOL.

Not sure about the prettier women. There were a ton of them up north too.

And hands down, the nirvana of babedom is California.

I’ve never seen anything even close…

“And the liberal media told everyone…”

Oh you mean the corporate owned media? Those bastions of far left liberalism like General Electric and News Corp?

Gawd, you crack me up…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
7:10 pm

josef… Al Smith was the national Dem presidential candidate in 1928. Smith rejected the Klan along with Underwood who ran in 1924. Underwood proposed that the Dems adopt an anti-Klan plan in its official platform. The measure lost by 1 vote after a wild brawl. All 24 Alabama delegates voted to condemn the Klan. http://www.alabamamoments.alabama.gov/sec46det.html

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
7:11 pm

Truth Squad
June 14th, 2011
7:05 pm

Okay, I can’t resist. Just one more post.

“it’ll be another generation before we see a Republican in the White House.”

I believe that’s what the Dems were crowing back in 1976. Then again, maybe it’s true if your definition of a generation is 4 years.

josef

June 14th, 2011
7:11 pm

GLL

And that very same Forrest begged the Feds to quash the Klan, called for the establishment of professional schools for freedmen to train doctors, lawyers, etc, and fought tirelessly (and successfully) to stop the disenfranchisement of Memphis’ black voters, and made the point to hire at equal wage and in all positions freedmen in his railroads…an intriguing fellow, he, when you break the trivial pursuit, bubble-in, Yankee Sharia version and take a closer look at who he was and especially in time and place…

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
7:12 pm

Truth Squad

Minorities usually vote FOR something. They are getting the worst of this economy. You said that Obama wasn’t screwing them. Well, who is? There’s not a Republican with the ability to pass a law in the entire city of Washington.

Republicans want our country back. We want the economy to be a priority. We DO NOT want high gas prices to hold down consumption of gas. We DO NOT want our military supporting Islamic mobs in the Northern Africa. We are motivated while minorities are not. What would they be motivated about? the worst economy for them in history? More minorities in abject, generational poverty than ever before?

I’ll never under estimate the most powerful political machine in the world, but getting the vote out is going to be a huge uphill climb for Democrats this time.

md

June 14th, 2011
7:12 pm

“Not sure about the prettier women. There were a ton of them up north too”

But they talk funny…….a la Palin and Bachman :)

I couldn’t listen to that 24/7………….

Mighty Righty

June 14th, 2011
7:12 pm

Truth Squad

June 14th, 2011
7:05 pm
As of today, Republicans out register Democrats including all of the minorities you mention. Listen to Obama, his confidence is gone. Yesterday, he said, his family didn’t care whether or not he was president, and the thought there was still a “chance” that he could get his programs aproved. Those are the words of a man no longer sure.

Mighty Righty

June 14th, 2011
7:14 pm

Enter your comments here

Uncle Jed

June 14th, 2011
7:14 pm

Lest we forget the fuel cost factor when discussing the price of food. And who came up with the plan to grow, harvest, and then burn food to fuel gasoline engines? Damn, that seems stupid.

pogo

June 14th, 2011
7:14 pm

And Jay, when I talk about the South Georgia barons I am speaking of one of the local pinestraw barons who is a state representative who has made a fortune off of the cheap labour provided by illegal immigration. And he is a supposed Republican. Of course he isn’t alone. Just as he has done, there many farmers and hispanic employers who have made fortunes based upon the slave labor wages given to illegals. And they (the employers) do not have to foot the bill for their illegal employees social needs such as healthcare, WIC and foodstamps. Their workers live 10 or more in a house trailer meanwhile their employers live in mansions. So before you speak of the downtrodden illegals remember, they are being abused not only by our greedy farmers and business owners but also by their own. The only answer is to control illegal immigration because if we don’t, those that come here illegally will be taken advantage of and we taxpayers will pay one hell of a cost that we cannot afford and those that employ them will get off easy. If squash or onnions or watermelons cost 0.50 cents more a pound, then so be it. That is small change compared to the social costs that these people present to our society. We would actually be doing them a favour in enforcing our own immigration laws.

md

June 14th, 2011
7:14 pm

“it’ll be another generation before we see a Republican in the White House.”

I always get a chuckle for those from either side predicting doom and gloom for the other…..been going on for hundreds of years and neither side ever seems to run out of followers…………

Same for the rest of the planet too………..

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
7:15 pm

AmVet

“And hands down, the nirvana of babedom is California.”

That’s one point I definitely agree with. Waffle house waitresses in Cal. are stunning.

But oddly enough, Southern Alabama, like Gulf Shores is pretty close.

josef

June 14th, 2011
7:17 pm

Good fight…
I know who Al Smith was and he was Catholic…the first to be nominated by a national party…and I find it very interesting that the Deep Southern states I mentioned went so heavily for him…Alabama was the exception in the Deep South…look at those stats from Mississippi and South Carolina…higher Smith vote than even heavily Catholic Louisiana…I just find it intriguing to point this out…thass all…

Mighty Righty

June 14th, 2011
7:19 pm

pogo

June 14th, 2011
7:14 pm

You are exactly right.

josef

June 14th, 2011
7:20 pm

Uncle Jed
@ 7:14

I’m in your corner on that one. It don’t make no sense to me in a world constantly teetering on the brink of mass starvation…

Real Scooter

June 14th, 2011
7:20 pm

Thanks josef!! I know I can be a pain sometimes.

Mighty Righty

June 14th, 2011
7:21 pm

Enough for today.

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
7:21 pm

The only thing that stinks here are some of the comments. We all know this is an opinion blog and not the Supreme Court. It is an opinion blog led by a dedicated Democrat who judges every issue on whether it will appeal or not and make Republicans look bad. That is what he is paid to do.

The rest of you are just blowing hot air into the universe. This is not a crisis. The tsunami has not overtaken us. The nuclear plant has not blown apart. That’s a crisis.

This is nothing but a tempest in a liberal teapot. Lemon? Sugar? Take your pick but no pusillanimosity, please. There. Take a deep breath.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
7:22 pm

josef…looks like Alabama gov says it was because of KKK. it is interesting. The history of the KKK is convulted in both parties.

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
7:22 pm

josef

I’ve never heard that. I know that a small street off Northside is named for him.

josef

June 14th, 2011
7:22 pm

Scooter

Pain? I’m complimented you’d give enough of a sh*t about what I put so inarticulately as to want it put in proper form…I usually figure I’m just talking to myself here and I know what it was I was yammering about… :-)

md

June 14th, 2011
7:24 pm

“It don’t make no sense to me in a world constantly teetering on the brink of mass starvation…”

That’s one of the hidden conspiracy theories…..the world power brokers know the population is getting out of hand and something must be done about it………..in the old days, we had plenty of big wars and lots of disease to whack a good number on a regular basis…….now technology has cut down on the deaths from war and disease…….

……..and the planet’s resources are still finite.

chuck

June 14th, 2011
7:25 pm

Sounds like it’s time to shut off those unemployment benefits so that some of these lazy people will HAVE to get off their butts and go to work. If that doesn’t work we can always bring back the ever-popular convict lease system.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
7:25 pm

josef…the history of the 1920s KKK is extremely interesting including the impact of Stephensen on the entire midwest KKK.

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
7:25 pm

md, funny.

Not all of them have that awful nasally accent though! Some of the Italian girls and JAPs in Buffalo were Grade A prime.

Before my girlfriend moved up from Florida, I even sublimated my enormous disgust for disco and cheesy three piece suits to go Club 747, where the babe factor was insane. Ah, for the good old days, before we ruined everything!

http://tinyurl.com/3ggo5bj

soloman73

June 14th, 2011
7:26 pm

So what exactly is the unemployment rate in that area? I know where I am at in GA it is over 10%. And what about college kids? I bet their unemployment rate is even higher? And I am pretty sure I read in this newspaper about farmers who were doing just fine with local labor help.

getalife

June 14th, 2011
7:28 pm

Don’t tell us what to do cons.

No workers is anti business.

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
7:28 pm

I’m outta here. I hate to see the kid make such a fool of himself.

Time for dinner and good company.

Real Scooter

June 14th, 2011
7:29 pm

pusillanimosity

Dangit Dusty,now i got to go googleing! Thanks a lot. :smile:

Keith

June 14th, 2011
7:29 pm

So the complaint this season is “no (cheap) labor”.

Real Scooter

June 14th, 2011
7:32 pm

josef

June 14th, 2011
7:22 pm

You’re welcome! LMAO

louis

June 14th, 2011
7:33 pm

Highly doubtful…….if it gets that high, demand will go down….as will the price or production……..that is called the free market”.

Oh really? So now that gasoline, which you can’t eat, is almost 4 dollars a gallon, are you now walking? Or riding a horse to work promoting your “free market”? Demand hasn’t gone down for that special commodity now has it…anywhere?
Go into town and look it up.
Folks need fruits & veggies….Period. What makes 1 think FOOD would react any differently? Are you going to switch to cardboard salads?

“As for Conagra and illegals……..if so, I have no problem with them suffering the consequences of such action……….”

R U kidding me? The right guy at ConAgra makes the right phone call and 10,000 non citizens are brought in under the guise of “national security” or get a “tax incentive” for 1 time labor charges or “special” legislation is quietly written into some obscure bill allowing it to happen just for ConAgra.
That’s actually the way it works; pay attention.

The US needs immigration reform that helps us keep out the “illegals” but at the same time allows for non citizens like these migrant farmers to come in and do their work in the fields.

Tommy Maddox

June 14th, 2011
7:33 pm

Hate to refer to a democratic ad, but Roy Barnes’s ad talking about the re-institution of the chain gangs comes back to mind…

josef

June 14th, 2011
7:33 pm

Good fight…
Alabama is interesting in this aspect…it has always had large pockets of pro-Union Republicans since the time of the Wah-uh and Reconstruction and they have always had the strongest adherence to such organizations as the 20th Century Klan, not to be confused with the 19th or 21st Century ones…the former was overwhelmingly centered in the North and the latter is pretty much a lunatic fringe bunch discredited by one and all, North and South…

GLL
The main street in Rome is Forrest…has to do with his liberation of the town during the Wah-uh…his 400 some odd raiders captured some 2000 blue coats and had to have a place to put them, so they liberated Rome for the purpose… and BTW among his 400 were 43 of his former slaves he had freed to fight (he called for the freeing of those slaves and their families who would fight) and there are graves of blacks killed in that battle in the Confederate Cemetery in Rome… but shhh, we’ll have the imam in with a new thread, so let’s drop that for now!

md

June 14th, 2011
7:36 pm

“Oh really? So now that gasoline, which you can’t eat, is almost 4 dollars a gallon, are you now walking? Or riding a horse to work promoting your “free market”? Demand hasn’t gone down for that special commodity now has it…anywhere?”

Actually, it has……..and has every time the price goes up.

Look it up…………

jewcowboy

June 14th, 2011
7:36 pm

“For economically embattled rural Georgia, this could be a major blow.”

Left unsaid is metro Atlanta footing a greater proportion of the state’s revenue while getting less service in return as these farms fail. All the while the newly impoverished farmers will become wards of the state, increasing state cost, which in turn will be born on the shoulders of metro Atlanta.

Even as this happens, rural legislator’s and their constituents will continue to rail against metro Atlanta, and insist on their myth that Atlanta is a ward of the state instead of the economic engine, pulling even more money that should stay in metro Atlanta for infrastructure and transportation projects that would keep Atlantan’s moving and thereby attracting more companies that would contribute to the state coffers. Instead these companies will locate to places like North Carolina, hurting revenue in Atlanta, which will in turn hurt services in rural GA, which will demand more from Atlanta…I know it’s not Friday but this seems apt: http://youtu.be/jk63Psr3wzY

Peadawg

June 14th, 2011
7:37 pm

Flip flop much, Jay? First you said we need to punish businesses that hire illegals. Now that this bill does that…you piss and moan like a little girl.

Make up your mind!

Mongo

June 14th, 2011
7:37 pm

Who cares what happens to these law breaking farmers anyway? Why should we feel sorry for these farmers (many of whom probably get thousands in farmer welfare out of our tax money every year) whose business model can’t work without illegal labor?

They need to either suck it up and pay a free market wage to attract workers or get into another line of work. I hear McDonald’s is hiring.

md

June 14th, 2011
7:37 pm

“R U kidding me? The right guy at ConAgra makes the right phone call and 10,000 non citizens are brought in under the guise of “national security” or get a “tax incentive” for 1 time labor charges or “special” legislation is quietly written into some obscure bill allowing it to happen just for ConAgra.
That’s actually the way it works; pay attention.”

Got a link?

If not, you can put your conspiracy theory in line with all the others…………

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"......

June 14th, 2011
7:38 pm

Off topic here, but…..BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Wisconsin Supreme Court upholds union law…

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
7:38 pm

Real Scooter, 7:29

“Pusillanimous ” was so weak I added the “osity” to help it out. But you are welcome. Anytime! I’ll try and think of something better and more delicious next time.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 14th, 2011
7:39 pm

Joe Mama @ 5:39 pm

Well if the farm workers work more than 40 hours they get paid for it ! Probably time and a half.

No “time and a half” or “night differntial” or “Sunday Pay” or “Holiday Pay” for the grunts !!

Real Scooter

June 14th, 2011
7:41 pm

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
7:25 pm

I am trying to imagine you in a liesure suit and platform shoes! :shock:

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
7:45 pm

Scooter,

Now you know what “pusillanimosity” means. Josef just explained it. Next new word” Pomposity! I’ll give you a clue. Acting like a big shot in a small game of pool..

jewcowboy

June 14th, 2011
7:46 pm

“Off topic here, but…..BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!”

Speaking of that:

“Prop. 8 ruling: gay judge didn’t need to recuse himself”
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2011/0614/Prop.-8-ruling-gay-judge-didn-t-need-to-recuse-himself

I guess it really sucks when your case is so incredibly weak you have to resort to insulting every single judge and lawyer in America thinking by some slim chance that will help you win.

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
7:49 pm

Now hold on there cowboy Scooter!

I didn’t get into the Travolta garb liek the Italian Stallions did. I’d just wear a nice shirt and some slacks.

(Though the truth be told, when I was in the service, I did have some outrageous purple bell bottoms!)

OK, gotta run and make some money. But like Ahnuld, I’ll be back…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LzlJe9_AxM

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 14th, 2011
7:50 pm

Well, I’m so disgusted I feel like tweeting my junk. But since I don’t know how to tweet, I’ll just blog my junk:

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7nIb8_dNsEUA_nZXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1NGNpZGI4BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDOQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0FDQlkwN18xNTA-/SIG=11vjsahqr/EXP=1308116859/**http%3a//www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/mufflers.htm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
7:50 pm

Yes Lump, the WI court ruled on a single constitutional issue. Other legal challenges including two pending lawsuits remain. Those challenges are on other grounds other than open meeting violations.

Real Scooter

June 14th, 2011
7:50 pm

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
7:38 pm

Thanks Dusty! I’ll love you when nobody else does! :smile:

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
7:51 pm

Well,

Before another “crisis” arises I must check on the BRAVES. Please try & solve all the greater crises and keep the sky from falling before I return. Thank you.

Real Scooter

June 14th, 2011
7:53 pm

Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)

June 14th, 2011
7:50 pm

Was I supposed to click on “dogpile”?

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
7:54 pm

Don’t worry, Scooter. I get plenty of loving. But yours is nice. You must be a BRAVES fan.

jewcowboy

June 14th, 2011
7:54 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!,

“Other legal challenges including two pending lawsuits remain. ”

As well as recall campaigns…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
8:00 pm

JCB…definitely the recalls even with the dirty tricks of the fake “Dems”. I imagine we’ll see Walker recalled as soon as that can be done.

godless heathen

June 14th, 2011
8:02 pm

Stop endless unemployment benefits and food stamps and the veggies will get picked.

There. GH solved just another impossible problem between naps.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
8:05 pm

Bosch. if you are around, GPB has a great show on now filmed mostly in Alpharetta with some great dogs!

Real Scooter

June 14th, 2011
8:07 pm

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
7:54 pm

Yep! I know a Brave personally but you are probably too young to remember him.

mick

June 14th, 2011
8:12 pm

If you are surprised by this, you are an idiot. And yes that means we have a bunch of idiots running this state.

Doggone/GA

June 14th, 2011
8:12 pm

I’m listening to some snippets from last night’s debate. Romney is going to “repeal” Obamacare if he’s elected President. Has anyone tried telling him he won’t have that power, if he’s elected President?

GaGirl

June 14th, 2011
8:16 pm

Now we have some jobs for these teenagers with nothing to do.

Been there done that

June 14th, 2011
8:18 pm

As a young man I have picked those crops and was paid slave labor. We would pick peaches in mddle GA and was paid 10 cents per bucket. Do you know how many buckets of peaches you had to pick to make $10.00 for and 8 or 9 hour day. While we worked our tails off the farmers were getting rich. This was in the 1970’s. People do not realize how hard this type of work is. Many people posting to this site would not last 15 minutes doing this type of work. When I visit Middle Georgia now the only people I see picking peaches are illegals. They are doing the same jobs we Black people once did. You know what? They can have those darn jobs.

midtownguy

June 14th, 2011
8:19 pm

If Roy Barnes were Governor this wouldn’t be happening. I wonder how many of those South Georgia farmers voted for him?

Real Scooter

June 14th, 2011
8:20 pm

Doggone/GA

June 14th, 2011
8:12 pm

In my opine,he is lying anyway. I know I would not vote for him.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 14th, 2011
8:29 pm

Wisconsin Supreme Court upholds the law. The lib’s keep a stiff upper lip and console each other whining that there are additional pending law suits and that Walker will be recalled. Can’t get it through your thick heads that the people spoke and you’ve lost. Get used to it you’re going to see many more losses.

Finn McCool

June 14th, 2011
8:30 pm

Grover Norquist Rebuked By GOP
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/14/grover-norquist-ethanol_n_876887.html

About time the repubs showed backbone.

Brosephus

June 14th, 2011
8:34 pm

Make entering the country illegally a felony offense and then those farmers having trouble finding workers can get them back.

That would take a re-write of the Immigration and Nationality Act on the federal level. I don’t think there’s legal grounds to make that charge a felony, but I’m not how they determine the severity of the crime. Right now, it’s not even a misdemeanor. It’s a civil violation, with no jail time unless there are mitigating criminal circumstances beyond just entering the country without inspection..

Brosephus

June 14th, 2011
8:36 pm

“I’m not *sure* how”…..

darn it!!!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
8:38 pm

Well Del, if the people “spoke” then I guess you dont have a worry in any recall election….. of course, if there were constitutional violations or other legal challenges, I guess they dont matter…… of course, the people “spoke” too when the ACA was passed by elected represenatives, I am sure you dont support the legal challenges there.

Get used to it you’ll see many more losses.

Doggone/GA

June 14th, 2011
8:38 pm

“In my opine,he is lying anyway”

Of course he’s lying. It’s not something he would have the power to do and he knows it. It’s what I call an “ignore this” promise. No matter who might say it, I simply wouldn’t pay any attention to it.

Some day, before I die, I’d like to see a Presidential candidate – of ANY party – who campaigns for what a President really needs: Congressional majorities in both houses. Any time a candidate makes that kind of promise, without mentioning that they need their party to also have a majority in both houses of Congres…they know, and we should ALL know it’s nothing be hot air.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 14th, 2011
8:43 pm

Well Doggone…actually you likely need more than a majority. You need a supermajority to overcome the 60 vote nonsense and then a few more to cover those in your own party who may oppose…unless you have the lockstep moves by a Party of No.

Doggone/GA

June 14th, 2011
8:48 pm

“actually you likely need more than a majority”

Oh sure, it’s not really the “majority/super majority” that’s the issue…it’s the speaking as if the President can actually repeal a law without Congress.

Mick

June 14th, 2011
8:49 pm

I’d like to report a name hijacking @ 8:12. Obamneycare? Voodoo economics anyone?

Joke of an article

June 14th, 2011
8:51 pm

There is definitely not a labor shortage in these areas. Go around and look for your self and you will constintaly see unemployment over 20%. Why work for a wage when you can sit and collect welfare checks all day for the rest of your life. You also choose to completely ignore the costs with illiegal immigration. There is a huge financial burden on the health care systems in these rural areas as a result of illiegal immigration. I could go on and on about the issues at hand because I live there and see it everyday.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 14th, 2011
8:51 pm

Two considerations, One: As far as I know there’s nothing in the Constitution that affords rights to illegal immigrants, and Two: I have no reason to believe that the Democrats will control the Senate and Obama will get a second term.I believe there’s a good possibility that Republicans could very well control the White House and both chambers of Congress. I think there could be a very strong conservative message sent in 012 that’s far stronger than the one sent this past November. Strap yourselves in lib’s you’re in for a rough ride.

Brosephus

June 14th, 2011
8:55 pm

As far as I know there’s nothing in the Constitution that affords rights to illegal immigrants

According to the Immigration and Nationality Act, they have a right to appear before an Immigration Judge. We are a nation of laws. Those laws extend to those who enter without inspection/authority, and they also give those same people some rights.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 14th, 2011
8:57 pm

Joke of an article, you’re not alone, many see it as you do.

reporter1

June 14th, 2011
9:00 pm

You can’t beat right-wing lunacy in action. We, small farmers and everyone else included, get the government we deserve–and since a majority voted for him (including, I’m sure, many small farmers) we richly deserve the consequences of Gov. Deal’s pet legislation.

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
9:02 pm

There is nothing in the US Constitution that affords right to corporations, but look how that has turned out.

They essentially own our representatives and run our republic now…

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 14th, 2011
9:04 pm

“According to the Immigration and Nationality Act, they have a right to appear before an Immigration Judge. We are a nation of laws. Those laws extend to those who enter without inspection/authority, and they also give those same people some rights.”

Please, that doesn’t mean anything. There is nothing that says illegal immigrants have a right to come into the USA and have all the benefits of citizenship as the left pretends. “We are a nation of laws.” We don’t enforce those laws but I have faith that’s going to drastically change in the not too distant future.

Brosephus

June 14th, 2011
9:05 pm

AmVet

Right about the corporations and rights. However, with the concept of corporate personhood, that point is moot. Can’t put the genie back in the bottle. That dog don’t hunt!!

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
9:09 pm

I know Bro,

Friggin’ activist judges!

But I for one, ain’t going quietly into that good night.

I will fiercely advocate to the day that I die that our sacred sovereignty be taken back from them. (It’s good to have a dream!)

Jackie

June 14th, 2011
9:12 pm

More evidence that the administration of Pres. George W. Bush was and continues to be an absolute disaster for the workers in the USA.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110614/bs_yblog_thelookout/workers-share-of-national-income-plummets-to-record-low

Brosephus

June 14th, 2011
9:13 pm

Recon

If that doesn’t mean anything, then you may as well scrap every law we have. There is a difference in your two statements:

“As far as I know there’s nothing in the Constitution that affords rights to illegal immigrants”

and

“There is nothing that says illegal immigrants have a right to come into the USA and have all the benefits of citizenship as the left pretends.”

To try to twist your first statement into your second one is a bit of contortion I would not expect from you. I never said they had a right to come here and have all the benefits of citizenship. I only pointed out one specific right they do have that would counter your first statement. If you want to talk benefits, then you’re wrong again. Medicaid will accept ANY pregnant female whether she’s a citizen or regardless of alien status. It’s the way the program is set up.

You have to remember that I deal with this stuff on a daily basis. I’ve looked through all laws and statutes on this stuff. If it’s secure borders that people really want, it can be done. I just don’t think the citizens nor the economy wants to see that happen. Our economy depends on people, goods, and services being able to move across the border with as little delay as possible. If we were to lock down the border and secure it as people clamor for, you’re looking at something like East Germany. Businesses would starve to death because we don’t manufacture or warehouse enough goods in country to avoid delays that would happen with a locked-down border. Companies would not be able to move people about as easily as they do now. On top of that, you’d probably have to increase the size of the Border Patrol and CBP about five-fold to have the manpower to accomplish that.

oldguy

June 14th, 2011
9:14 pm

AH Jay is now a farm expert, labor expert and a soothsayer!!
“The resulting manpower shortage has forced state farmers to leave millions of dollars’ worth of blueberries, onions and other crops unharvested and rotting in the fields.” Based on what Jay??? Where are the rotting fields, show us pictures. The onion and blueberry crops are basically in and harvested!! THE LAW WAS JUST PASSED! HOW CAN IT HAVE CAUSED WIDESPREAD DEVISTATION??!!?? Surely the ace libs at the AJC can show us the widespread devistation?
“farmers expect to need more than 11,000 workers at some point over the rest of the season, a number that probably underestimates the real need, ” again a “crystal ball” reading???
For many many years itinerate labor has moved from Florida north as the seasonal crops matured harvesting. They were poor blacks, then Cubans , then Hatians, then Mexicans, then central americans. You are saying that all that is left is illegal migrants? Prove it!!

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 14th, 2011
9:19 pm

Hey Jackie, how are you doing? I trust well.

Say, George Bush is in retirement back down in Texas, so if he was an “absolute disaster” it’s impossible for him to continue being one now. There’s a guy named Obama whose occupied the White House for the last 2 and 1/2 years. Just saying.

Jackie

June 14th, 2011
9:24 pm

@Recon

SALUTE!

Please check the link and see how the numbers work and the timeline associated with those numbers.
It will give you some insight into why Pres. Obama is having a difficult time in making up for the 4 million jobs lost during 2008, even though Pres. Obama has made up 1.5 million new jobs.

Give it a review and come back with your rebuttal.

Bruno

June 14th, 2011
9:26 pm

The path that I have chosen has now led me to a Wall……

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHk_Emakefg

eatmotacos

June 14th, 2011
9:28 pm

There is a reason for the rules associated with the H2-A visa. It is to keep the farmers from saddling the rest of us with expenses they are obligated to pay. They only save money by shifting their cost to us. It is the same for every other business that employees illegals.

Why should we care if they go out of business? If you do the math, the vast majority of Georgia’s citizens will come ahead if they do. Let their crops rot.

BADA BING

June 14th, 2011
9:29 pm

For generations, rural populations have moved to the cities, and started working in the manufacturing and service industries. Now, we need a new trend to return urban populations back to the agrigcultural sector. The jobs have moved, the people will follow.

Bruno

June 14th, 2011
9:30 pm

Brosephus–In case you are interested, MIT is offering some free course lectures online. Here’s the link:

http://ocw.mit.edu/courses

Bruno

June 14th, 2011
9:32 pm

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 14th, 2011
9:34 pm

Brosephus, you’re making some pretty convoluted statements that don’t tie your points together. You say that I should know “that you deal with this stuff on a daily basis.” Frankly I don’t know what you do functionally. If you interview and screen immigrants coming into this country, I’m concerned because it sounds as though you’re sympathetic to those who enter this country illegally. I don’t know if you sit behind a desk, check baggage or check people as they come through the check in process. Sometimes you sound as though you carry a weapon and protect our borders. I don’t know.

Brosephus

June 14th, 2011
9:35 pm

Bruno

You’re tryin’ to kill my last 5 brain cells??? LOL!!!

I’ll check it out and see what they have to offer.

Doggone/GA

June 14th, 2011
9:35 pm

“As far as I know there’s nothing in the Constitution that affords rights to illegal immigrants”

But on the other hand, there’s nothing in the Consitution that limits those rights only to citizens either – except as regards elected officials.

Bruno

June 14th, 2011
9:35 pm

Rickey Jay

June 14th, 2011
9:38 pm

You got to be kidding, you are crying for business owners who made it their business and practice to not legally hire their workers. STUNNING!

HB87 was a job creator. Understanding how to connect with the people hiring WILL become more public, as the owners learn how to hire legally.. All that hiring “in the dark”, and underground economy, was hurting the average taxpayer, local government and federal government (when all the full cost of this law breaking are added up)

Bruno

June 14th, 2011
9:39 pm

I’ll check it out and see what they have to offer.

I would suggest to hit the “audio/video courses” tab in the upper left, or the “most visited” tab to find the courses with video. Several good ones to pick from.

Martin Williams

June 14th, 2011
9:40 pm

I am very ready to pick anything if it pays $25-$30 dollars an hour or NO DEAL. The GOP is getting very stupid and doing there best to bring this country down. Good job and congratulations to you all that supported HB87. I hope and pray to pay $5.00 for single apple very soon.

Brosephus

June 14th, 2011
9:42 pm

Recon

It may sound convoluted to you, but I’m required to work within the framework of the law as it is written. As far as what I do, it’s pretty much all of what you listed, however there’s no “sympathy” involved at all. I perform my job without emotion. If you allow emotion to cloud your judgment, you end up with no job at all.

It’s no different than being a Marine, Airman, Seaman, or Soldier. When you’re part of the rank and file, you follow orders, rules, and regs. If I’m talking anything immigration wise, I have to be careful about what I post or say. One wrong thing, and it could be my job. If I could really be forthright here, it would probably shatter whatever image of me that most people have. It’s nothing against you guys here, or that I’m trying to pretend to be something that I’m not. I just have to protect my job, and by proxy, my family.

My points were that, although it seems that being “illegal” would not afford aliens any rights, there are rights that they do have by law and/or regulation that we have to recognize, whether we like it or not. If we don’t like it, then the laws have to be changed on the federal level because that’s where immigration policy is formed and hammered out.

BADA BING

June 14th, 2011
9:42 pm

The farm labor crisis going as planned? No, the immigrants leaving is going as planned. The labor shortage is a SIDE effect. The drug “Drivzumout”, taken as directed, will relieve your illegal immigrant pains. Benefits include more jobs for citizens, less free health care, less tax dollars wasted, less crime. Try “Drivzumout” today!

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 14th, 2011
9:45 pm

“I hope and pray to pay $5.00 for single apple very soon.”

Well you know that an apple a day keeps the doctor away, so your $5.00 apple might be worth it in the long run.

BADA BING

June 14th, 2011
9:48 pm

Last line of this page…..We are reaping what we have sown. We are reaping? And Jay said Americans wouldn’t do manual labor.

Agent of Chaos

June 14th, 2011
9:51 pm

It would be all fine and dandy if there was really was farm-labor crisis.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 14th, 2011
9:53 pm

“If we don’t like it, then the laws have to be changed on the federal level because that’s where immigration policy is formed and hammered out.”

Brosephus, I certainly agree with that and it was my point. The fed’s forget about parties because they’re both to blame, have not addressed this issue, therefore states have taken it on themselves because the federal government has left them no other choice. Illegal immigration has been placing an unsustainable financial burden on this country for a very long time.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 14th, 2011
9:55 pm

Time for Taps…Jackie, good to see you back on the blog. SALUTE

Brosephus

June 14th, 2011
9:55 pm

I hope and pray to pay $5.00 for single apple very soon.

The store my wife used to work in sold $6 pears. Damn thing was, when you ate one, you’d agree that it was a $6 pear. I hate that they closed the stores here.

Brosephus

June 14th, 2011
10:00 pm

Recon

The one problem with the state approach is that it does not change immigration policy whatsoever. It’s like trying to fix the Hindenburg with band-aids. The only way immigration issues will be addressed in an adequate manner will be on the federal level. Otherwise, we’re only kicking the can down the road. That’s something that both camps need to address to their respective DC representatives.

Jackie

Good to see you around….

@@

June 14th, 2011
10:02 pm

Good thing I doubled the size of my garden. I’ve got boxes of canning jars just waiting to be filled.

I’m good to go.

oldguy

June 14th, 2011
10:04 pm

Apparently there is no such thing as a guest worker program (Jay?). Workers get some protection under this supervised program.
What do illegals get?? Overworked, underpaid (they have to give part of what they make to labor bosses). These are the people who contract for labor with large farms, not individuals; and abuse is indemic!!
So apparently Jay is willing to overlook the abuse illegals undergo as laborers!
WHY NOT GUEST WORKERS!!!

A Voice Of Morality

June 14th, 2011
10:05 pm

The law as written seems to only target Hispanics immigrant which is racial profiling and IMMORAL. The moral universe will not allow it to usurp JUSTICE. It’s just a matter of time. I do not believe that such a law would have been signed into law during the wave of European immigration of the 19th and 20th centuries. I do not see efforts to identify illegal immigrants from Canada and other nations who may not be Hispanic. Shame…Shame…Shame…on all of us so called Christians who voted for such a law or who are voiceless during this shameful period of history. This law should remind us of how Jews were required to wear the Star of David during the Holocaust. I am surprised that more people are not speaking out….Shame…Shame….Shame…Silence will only embolden persons who support such laws until they must carry papers to identify who they are. Just imagine how the children have been embraced by fear and how adults who are trying to make a living are now fearful. The economic impact remains to be seen but may be our saving grace to reverse this RACIST and IMMORAL law. The media has been highlighting Texas’ low unemployment without failing to realize that Texas is a majority Hispanic state with no such law that encourages it laborers to flee the state seeking employment elsewhere….I could say more…There is nothing new under the sun…Racism comes in many forms..This law is one of those forms…However, I have said enough….SHAME on GOVERNOR DEAL for making a DEAL with the DEVIL..or should I say devils(You Figure).

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
10:07 pm

Bruno

Your 9:35

Such great scenery. Such bad camerawork.

md

June 14th, 2011
10:10 pm

“There is nothing in the US Constitution that affords right to corporations, but look how that has turned out.”

Incorrect…….the 1st applies to the “media”….which can be and is corporations……..hence Citizens United.

md

June 14th, 2011
10:16 pm

Morality……the law applies equally to all illegals…..regardless of place of origin. Most equate the problem to latinos because 60%+ are latino………that means the majority.

It is what it is……………

Left wing management

June 14th, 2011
10:17 pm

It’s war in Wisconsin.

Recon: “The lib’s keep a stiff upper lip and console each other whining that there are additional pending law suits and that Walker will be recalled. Can’t get it through your thick heads that the people spoke and you’ve lost.”

You think the people spoke? The people? You’re hallucinating.

The people had a knife stuck in their heart.

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
10:19 pm

Left wing management

No. The people won. The government unions lost. The people are the employers. They needed to spend less on labor and they won the fight.

md

June 14th, 2011
10:21 pm

“The people had a knife stuck in their heart.”

Technically, only the ones on the side that didn’t vote for the guy……………many voted against that run away train that is public pensions. kind of hard to explain why a taxpayer without a pension should have to fund one for others…………..

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
10:27 pm

md

Isn’t it weird how these people think? Wisconsin is actually making headways under Walker. Unemployment at 7.3%. What he is doing is working, but a liberal thinks that because unions lose part of their ability to exercise their thuggery, the people got stabbed in the heart.

Doggone/GA

June 14th, 2011
10:32 pm

” What he is doing is working,”

You are aware…aren’t you? That the anti-collective bargaining provisions of that bill ONLY affect public sector unions. They do not apply to any other unions. So unless the state of WI has suddently hired A LOT MORE employees, it’s a bit hard to see how that bill had any effect at all on the overall employment rate in the state.

Brosephus

June 14th, 2011
10:33 pm

md

If it’s all about who has a “pension” and who doesn’t, it also takes into account who chose to take a pay cut up front doing government wor versus those who chose to seek employment in the private sector.

It’s too late at night to dig into this debate, so I’m done after that statement. Catch y’all lat.

oldguy

June 14th, 2011
10:35 pm

Wisconsin: Interesting; Obama and the union libs weep-and-wail when a state tries to get some control on runaway benifits to public unions BUT:
Federal public unions (I was a member of AFGE for years) do NOT have the right to bargain for the same rights and CANNOT strike!!!
WHY NOT?? Why is Obama not fighting for the same rights for federal workets????

Brosephus

June 14th, 2011
10:36 pm

Doggone

I think it’s one of those unstated conservative things that liberals don’t get. Something like GOP ESP. ;)

Left wing management

June 14th, 2011
10:37 pm

What he is doing is working, but a liberal thinks that because unions lose part of their ability to exercise their thuggery, the people got stabbed in the heart

The real thuggery is the kind perpetrated by those who purchase judges and have their cronies rewrite laws so that things are whisked through the back doors under false pretenses and never even get a hearing on the street, until the deck is already safely stacked in their favor. That’s the kind of thuggery that eventually does make it out onto the streets, where it gets really nasty. It’s that kind of thuggery that’s the real threat to us.

Doggone/GA

June 14th, 2011
10:38 pm

“Why is Obama not fighting for the same rights for federal workets????”

I agree…he should be doing just that.

Doggone/GA

June 14th, 2011
10:39 pm

“Something like GOP ESP”

More likely – it’s those broken crystal balls they use!

Thulsa Doom

June 14th, 2011
10:39 pm

Hmmm. Georgia has a population of 8 million and a 10% unemployment rate and can’t find just 11,000 people to harvest these crops? In a state of 8 million? No teenagers around that will do it since they are out for the summer? They can and will find people to do the harvest. Then again if our nanny state is paying people $250-$300 a week to sit on their duffs on unemployment then why should they break a sweat in the hot Georgia sun?

oldguy

June 14th, 2011
10:40 pm

I’ll answer my own question above:
Because Federal unions do not donate huge blocks of cash to the Democrats!!!!

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
10:41 pm

Doggone/GA

State government solvency does indeed affect the confidence of employers in the state. This can lead to hiring.

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
10:42 pm

Well, I guess we will have a picture of Wisconsin’s governor tomorrow. Bookman would not miss a chance like that, would he? Another governor(R) realizes that money does not grow on trees and does something about it. The meaning of debt and the meaning of illegal seems unknown to Democrats. Hope & Change has been reduced to Hopeless & Small Change. Now that IS a crisis.

Left wing management

June 14th, 2011
10:42 pm

oldguy: “Obama and the union libs weep-and-wail when a state tries to get some control on runaway benifits to public unions”

Do you see Obama weeping? Do you see ME weeping?

Look again, my friend.

Doggone/GA

June 14th, 2011
10:43 pm

“State government solvency does indeed affect the confidence of employers in the state”

Considering that the unions agreed to all the pay cuts that were demanded, that should have been enough to satisfy those poor, pitiful businesses who are sitting on record profits but are too scared to hire people with the money.

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
10:44 pm

Left wing management

So the judges on the Supreme Court of Wisconsin were bought?

Really? Any proof?

Its already gotten nasty in Wisconsin. The thugs and the mobs shut down the government after the Democrats fled out of state to block the will of the people. I know this is not what you want to hear, but union thugs don’t scare people anymore. The American public is sick of them and understand what is at stake.

The age of mob rule is ending. Wisconsin is a great example.

Neal

June 14th, 2011
10:45 pm

I smell an open borders advocate! They got by without illegals for years. More lib scare tactics!

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
10:45 pm

Left Wing Management

Here’s a Kleenex. I hear you sniffling…

oldguy

June 14th, 2011
10:46 pm

OK Left wing : Try Pi$$ and Moan!!!

Doggone/GA

June 14th, 2011
10:46 pm

“after the Democrats fled out of state to block the will of the people”

Apparently, from the reaction, not the will of the PEOPLE – only the will of the Republican legislators

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
10:47 pm

Left wing management

“Do you see ME weeping?”

I see you being angry and threatening that we will see mobs in the streets.

Thulsa Doom

June 14th, 2011
10:49 pm

Sorry folks but its all over. The Doom had to blow away Jay’s points with an article straight from the AJC a week ago about a crew down in Mitchell county that recruited locally and was able to get the harvest done. If this guy can get off his duff and recruit locals to get the job done then why can’t the other farmers? I cut and pasted different portions of the article but its there in the archives for all to see.

7:04 a.m. Sunday, June 5, 2011

Local labor brings in the harvest

By Mark Davis
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

PELHAM — The big engine growled as the tractor-trailer pulled away into the twilight. The truck held cantaloupes, harvested in a hurry that hot day.

In his air-conditioned office at Weybrenee Farms in Mitchell County, Brent Brinkley totaled the daily take and looked pleased. Thirty-seven crates, 10 tons of sweetness.
His inexperienced work force was getting the job done.
“We’re blessed,” he said.
He felt otherwise six weeks ago. A migrant labor crew that harvested his cantaloupes last year didn’t come to Georgia this picking season. The workers, Brinkley said, stayed away because they feared the state’s stringent immigration law, set to take effect July 1.
Brinkley was forced to turn to an unlikely pool of workers: locals. In an industry that some believe attracts only migrant labor, Brinkley assembled a hometown crew.
“We had to call all hands on deck,” said the 45-year-old, who operates the farm with his father, Weyman Brinkley. “Some people who would not normally do this work have worked.”
Most of Brinkley’s local laborers are foreign-born, living here legally. But some of the employees in his 35- to 40-member crew were born in or near Mitchell County and have been in the county all their lives.
“It’s a real hodge-podge,” he said.

Brinkley had a simple explanation for his all-local work force.
“We recruited just about everyone in a 30-mile radius who would work.”

Stoop or tree, the crops must be harvested quickly and gently, while still fresh.
That was OK with Victoria Carter, who’s been harvesting Brinkley’s cantaloupes since picking began. One day last week, she stood on a trailer pulled by a slow-moving John Deere tractor. She caught a cantaloupe tossed by a young man on the ground, then placed it carefully in a plastic bin. Sweat crept through her faded University of Georgia baseball cap. It was 10 a.m., 90 degrees.
She’d been at it for two hours and would work at least three more before heat forced her and about 30 others to Brinkley’s packing shed. There, they’d wash fruit, sort it and pack it in corrugated display boxes bound for grocery stores as far as Massachusetts.
She’d pocket about $100 for her 12-hour work day.

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
10:52 pm

Doggone/GA

And the Republican legislators were put there by what? A lottery?

You lost. Get used to it

The US gave your ideas a shot and we see the results. I know hard left liberals that wouldn’t vote for Obama if their life depended on it. They would never vote for a Republican, but certainly not for Obama.

They blew it. What’s Obama position going to be now? Hope and Change? How about I promise to try to do better? I know your standards for your leaders are incredibly low, but really, why in the world would anyone vote for Obama again?

Doggone/GA

June 14th, 2011
10:54 pm

“You lost”

I did? Last time I looked I was not eligible to vote in WI.

Thulsa Doom

June 14th, 2011
10:55 pm

Wisconsin governor- Thank God you stood up for the taxpayers against the mob union thugs. The forces of freedom fight back against the nanny state and the extortionists. When day, just maybe one day the libs will realize that budgets have to be balanced and that the public sector has to make sacrifices just like the private sector that pays them their salaries.

Kamchak

June 14th, 2011
10:56 pm

Tick…tick…tick….

oldguy

June 14th, 2011
10:56 pm

If the Republicans have any sense at all they will run and rerun the video of the Wisconsin Goons in makeup disrupting the Governor’s speech to the Special Olympics Kids congradulating them on their participation in the Special Olympics.
Real class Libs!!!

Thulsa Doom

June 14th, 2011
10:57 pm

GLL,

I’ll say it for them since they can’t seem to say it.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thulsa Doom

June 14th, 2011
10:59 pm

Kamchak is doing his tick tick tick. He must have emailed Jay to rat out someone who wasn’t playing nice to him. In a moment we will surely see Jay admonish one of the conservative posters. I can tell you right now it won’t be a lib that he will caution.

md

June 14th, 2011
11:00 pm

“If it’s all about who has a “pension” and who doesn’t, it also takes into account who chose to take a pay cut up front doing government wor versus those who chose to seek employment in the private sector.”

One must remember that to many perception is reality………and all they see is an empty 401k or pension and their tax dollars going to someone else so they can have one…….this isn’t like a private union where they can choose not to buy the product…..they are forced to fund someone else when they themselves have none……..that doesn’t go over too well in the land of oz………

Thulsa Doom

June 14th, 2011
11:00 pm

oldguy,

Nothing like zombie libs to ruin an event for special needs children. Have they no shame? Nope. They do not.

peachies

June 14th, 2011
11:01 pm

Why not just use the tax money we used to support these illegals and give them to the farmers so they can hire people and give them benefits and higher wages?

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
11:01 pm

Thulsa Doom

I now live in the sticks. Up here, kids drive nice cars (trucks) because they are hired by farmers to work in the fields which beats the crap out of Mikey dees. They get paid per job done and they get out there and kick butt and get it done. These kids are in shape, tanned and always smiling.

I like what is happening. Putting kids to work. Taking away the incentives from illegals is brilliant. Georgia will adapt. And it will drive the liberals absolutely crazy. it’s a win – win.

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
11:01 pm

Thanks for the reprint, Thulsa. I had read that story and it was a good one. Americans can find a way to solve their problems.

Bookman had to get in a picture of Georgia’s Republican governor and throw in “crisis” with it. Tomorrow? Probably Gov. Walker tomorrow and another “crisis”. According to Bookman, almost every crisis is somehow related to Republicans. Will they ever learn??

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
11:02 pm

Doggone/GA

I’ll make it simple. Your ideas lost.

And they will continue to lose. They simply don’t work.

md

June 14th, 2011
11:03 pm

“If the Republicans have any sense at all they will run and rerun the video of the Wisconsin Goons in makeup disrupting the Governor’s speech to the Special Olympics Kids congradulating them on their participation in the Special Olympics.”

There used to be a time and place for politics……seems those folks forgot the definition of selfish….

AmVet

June 14th, 2011
11:04 pm

“I can tell you right now it won’t be a lib that he will caution.”

That nonsense has already been addressed here.

If you get canned, it has zero to with your ideology or ideas.

And everything to do with being a lout.

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
11:04 pm

Thulsa Doom

I’m not sure what Kamchak is doing.

As per usual, he certainly isn’t contributing.

oldguy

June 14th, 2011
11:04 pm

Thulsa:
I wonder how long I will have to wait before Jay or Cynthia write an article about this incident???
Sorry, i may only live 10 or so more years!!

Doggone/GA

June 14th, 2011
11:05 pm

“Your ideas lost”

Funny, I don’t remember being consulted by anyone in WI on how they should run their state. I’m terribly afraid you’re crediting me with a power I don’t have.

Doggone/GA

June 14th, 2011
11:07 pm

“I wonder how long I will have to wait before Jay or Cynthia write an article about this incident???”

You know, there are any number of free blog services on the internet. If you’re so concerned, start your own blog. blogspot.com comes to mind.

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
11:08 pm

Doggone/GA

Nonsense. You come on here trying to make a lame point and you look foolish so you are trying to save face.

Congratulations. You didn’t.

Kamchak

June 14th, 2011
11:09 pm

The guilty dog(s) bark first/loudest.

poison pen

June 14th, 2011
11:09 pm

Martin Williams

June 14th, 2011
9:40 pm

I am very ready to pick anything if it pays $25-$30 dollars an hour or NO DEAL. The GOP is getting very stupid and doing there best to bring this country down. Good job and congratulations to you all that supported HB87. I hope and pray to pay $5.00 for single apple very soon

Martin, I’ll sell you as many as you want for $4.00 each.

Doggone/GA

June 14th, 2011
11:09 pm

“You come on here trying to make a lame point and you look foolish so you are trying to save face”

My face is just fine thanks, but I do appreciate your concern for it.

Thulsa Doom

June 14th, 2011
11:11 pm

Dusty,

I cut and pasted that article because I knew that shore enough it wouldn’t be long before Jay got on the evil ole republicans about the illegal immigration law. Took only a week or so before I could throw that article right back at them.

GLL,

Yeah. Same here. Myself and my teenaged buddies picked pecans in a grove one year and I remember growing up that the people who picked the watermelons- also very hard work- were mostly white teenagers. Ya gotta figure- Who did these jobs before illegals came? Somebody did them and with 10% unemployment now in Georgia can’t nobody convince me we can’t get people to do this work just like this one farmer did.

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
11:13 pm

Doggone/GA

“Considering that the unions agreed to all the pay cuts that were demanded, that should have been enough to satisfy those poor, pitiful businesses who are sitting on record profits but are too scared to hire people with the money.”

I know this blows a big hole in that wealth envy thing, but the vast majority of businesses are not setting on profits. However, the Wall Street speculators and mega-banks that were Obama’s largest contributors certainly are.

poison pen

June 14th, 2011
11:13 pm

My points were that, although it seems that being “illegal” would not afford aliens any rights, there are rights that they do have by law and/or regulation that we have to recognize, whether we like it or not. If we don’t like it, then the laws have to be changed on the federal level because that’s where immigration policy is formed and hammered out.

Bro, actually the states are doing a pretty good job of changing some laws on illegal immigration.

Z

June 14th, 2011
11:13 pm

How about all those politicians, including Governor Deal, that voted for this bill, go buy themselves some Bib overalls and head on down to South Georgia and help those farmers out. Maybe they might come back with a little common sense, but that notion is probably wishful thinking…

Dusty

June 14th, 2011
11:15 pm

AmVet,

I see you have experience with this “canned’ business. Seems strange that liberals are never “louts”. But we all know that they are sweet little angels. “Has nothng to do with ideology or ideas”. Uh huh, you are such a joker!!.

md

June 14th, 2011
11:16 pm

“Maybe they might come back with a little common sense”

I think common sense would be not hiring illegals in the first place…….no illegals = no problems.

Thulsa Doom

June 14th, 2011
11:18 pm

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
11:04 pm

Thulsa Doom

I’m not sure what Kamchak is doing.

If he feels someone is being mean or someone cursed or called someone something nasty then he emails Jay with the post and then a few minutes later Jay comes on with a warning. Personally I’m not worried because I haven’t personally insulted any specific person tonight or cursed or been rude to anyone this evening.

AmVet,

I dunno. I’ve seen wow, Harry Callahan, and one other con get banned that I can’t remember his name at the moment but he still blogs periodically at CTs. I’ve never seen a lib get banned and I can’t even think of whether or not one of them has ever even been specifically warned. I just know I haven’t seen it.

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
11:18 pm

Thulsa Doom

I worked tobacco. So did my nephews. They loved the work and they always had money. I just think it is fantastic that this will give America a chance to work again. It’s not going to do much for people on welfare and the smart illegals will migrate to the Great Society Ghettos where they will be Warehoused by the democrats, but even that won’t last. If they aren’t able to vote, they serve no purpose and they will be shown the door by the libs.

yuzeyurbrane

June 14th, 2011
11:20 pm

I am sure you are a bit perplexed because you implicitly are opposing fair wages and better working conditions for American farm laborers. I don’t think you are as certain as you sound about how this will play out economically for Georgia’s agriculture industry. While they may not be on a level playing field with other states re slave wages v. fair wages, they may have advantage in other areas. For example, fuel costs from farm to mkt. give them big advantage over Calif. or foreign growers. And there is such high unemployment in Ga. now that the laws of supply and demand may dictate a lower wage increase than in more prosperous times. Not to mention that higher wages than available in surrounding states might actually serve as a magnet to attract legal migrant farmworkers and assure Ga. growers a more reliable labor force than our neighbors. Also, I am uncomfortable with the argument that it should be all or none: how would you have liked that argument posed re the abolition of slavery? In fact, Southern slave owners argued that their wonderful economy and way of life could not survive without slaves. . . and they were right. Well, if agribusn. can’t make it without employing slave wage illegals, maybe they should find another line of busn. It’s not always economic; sometimes there is such a thing as moral behavior.

Uncle Jed

June 14th, 2011
11:21 pm

Yo, Jay,

What say you on this significant rebuff to those disrespectful of the legislative process when in disagreement?

Madison – Acting with unusual speed, the state Supreme Court on Tuesday reinstated Gov. Scott Walker’s plan to all but end collective bargaining for tens of thousands of public workers.

The court found a committee of lawmakers was not subject to the state’s open meetings law, and so did not violate that law when they hastily approved the measure and made it possible for the Senate to take it up. In doing so, the Supreme Court overruled a Dane County judge who had struck down the legislation, ending one challenge to the law even as new challenges are likely to emerge.

The majority opinion was by Justices Michael Gableman, David Prosser, Patience Roggensack and Annette Ziegler. The other three justices – Chief Justice Shirley Abrahamson and Justices Ann Walsh Bradley and N. Patrick Crooks – concurred in part and dissented in part.

The opinion voided all orders in the case from the lower court. It came just before 5 p.m., sparing Republicans who control the Legislature from taking up the contentious issue of collective bargaining again….

Thulsa Doom

June 14th, 2011
11:21 pm

GLL,

However, the Wall Street speculators and mega-banks that were Obama’s largest contributors certainly are.

I take it you are referring to Goldman Sachs who I believe was Obama’s largest campaign contributor and GE who is a close ally of Obama and who paid effectively zero or very little federal tax this past year.

LukasAtl

June 14th, 2011
11:22 pm

1. This penalizes the people who did not support Deal in the primaries
2. There will be consequences over the next two elections. Nathan Deal might just be a one term govenor because of this.

md

June 14th, 2011
11:24 pm

More than likely, they’ll head to the blue states for shelter and be more than welcome……until the time comes when their systems are over burdened…..then we’ll see what happens.

CA is a good case study……….we’ll see how much further they implode. Then we’ll see the real soul of america when CA asks all the other states to bail it out…………

Thulsa Doom

June 14th, 2011
11:25 pm

GLL,

They will migrate to LA which spent approximately 600 million last year on benefits for illegals and whose hospitals are on the brink of collapse from having to treat illegals. Hopefully they will go to San Francisco and hang with Nancy Pelosi. Ooops.

oldguy

June 14th, 2011
11:25 pm

Hey Jay,
Still waiting for those pictures of crops rotting in the fields!!!
(Due to a law passed today and scheduled to go into effect 1 July?? What is this future rot??)_

LukasAtl

June 14th, 2011
11:26 pm

I have a solution to the problem of no field labor … tell all the welfare queens of any skincolor that they will lose all benefits unless the work in the fields to help with the harvest. No work in the fields, no welfare.

Of course the reason all the “illegals” were here to begin with … the welfare queens and assorted trailor trash think they are too good for hard work in the fields.

oldguy

June 14th, 2011
11:28 pm

Hey MD;
My response to California going broke “Slide on into the Pacific Governor ‘Moonbeam’ and take the rest of the old hippies with you!”

Thulsa Doom

June 14th, 2011
11:28 pm

md,

I thought CA had already asked for or at least was looking at requesting a bailout from the feds a year ago. They had something obscene like a 50 billion dollar budget deficit. I don’t know what it was but it was some crazy number. CA is a case study in public sector unions bankrupting a state and driving it so far into the ground they may hit China and end up being absorbed by the people’s republic. The unions there are off the chart out of control.

Good little liberal

June 14th, 2011
11:29 pm

Thulsa Doom

I’ve seen Jay scold libs but never ban one. But Pal, it’s his blog.

We present our point of view. We are rarely challenged. We are called names, insulted, etc. It’s the normal liberal stuff. But they don’t have the ability or desire to take on the actual points. A few try. Keep up has tried to show that Republicans were involved in the KKK in spite of the truth, but it’s usually rather pathetic.

Enjoy your time here. It teaches me a lot about the way that liberals think and since starting Coulters book, it’s really funny watching the libs do exactly what she says they will. And man does it ever drive the libs crazy to bring her up.

Hitting the sack.

Have a good night.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 14th, 2011
11:31 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ndeZMorUI

Hey BADA:

That farmer’s wife is “hot” !

oldguy

June 14th, 2011
11:31 pm

GLL
Rest well!

Thulsa Doom

June 14th, 2011
11:33 pm

There are day labor places right here in ATL where you can go to at 5 am in the morning and see boatloads of people- mostly black- lined up and looking for work at minimum wage. I guarantee those people would work in the fields for $100 a day if they are lining up to do similar manual labor for minimum wage here. Anyway, taps for me. I’ll see you guys later.

Uncle Jed

June 14th, 2011
11:33 pm

Pakistan Arrests C.I.A. Informants in Bin Laden Raid

Well, hell’s belles and shazzam:

I know that in normal times it would seem unimaginable, but can we say with any credible certainty than Dumbama, “The Dumbass”, didn’t give up the names to secure a campaign contribution from his muslim constituency? Well, can we?!?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/world/asia/15policy.html?_r=2&hp

oldguy

June 14th, 2011
11:37 pm

Thulsa:
I blow “retreat” like the British (Being Welsh)!!

md

June 14th, 2011
11:39 pm

I think the CA bailout never had any traction……..the feds knew that would cause mutiny within the States………they spent it, they can pay for it.

RW-(the original)

June 14th, 2011
11:40 pm

Since nobody really gives a damn anyway I’m going to use this space to register my complaint against the AJC as a source of vital information. The Sopchoppy Florida Worm Grunting Festival took place in April and as best as I can tell we weren’t informed by the AJC so we could make travel plans.

Please strive to better inform us in the future.

Goodnight!

Hi Honu :-)

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 14th, 2011
11:43 pm

RW:

Not to mention the annual “Ramp” festival in W.Va. this summer.

FYI, a ramp is a “wild onion”.

RW-(the original)

June 14th, 2011
11:46 pm

A Ramp might be an onion but Worm Grunting is an art. Goodnight Scout. Glad you’re on the wall tonight

:-)

oldguy

June 14th, 2011
11:48 pm

Please:
The real action is the “Boggy Byou (sp) Mullet Festival” in Niceville Fla.” Now that is real entertainment!!

md

June 14th, 2011
11:50 pm

“For years, scientists have been predicting the Sun would by around 2012 move into solar maximum, a period of intense flares and sunspot activity, but lately a curious calm has suggested quite the opposite.

According to three studies released in the United States on Tuesday, experts believe the familiar sunspot cycle may be shutting down and heading toward a pattern of inactivity unseen since the 17th century.”

That darned science……..to many, it is like religion and now their religion is changing again…….but I’m sure their faith in the exactness of their beliefs will not be shaken……….

They “know” so much, that the complete opposite of what they “thought” (that educated guess stuff) would happen will occur……….so they think……….

IJustCant

June 15th, 2011
12:06 am

The Republicans are TOTALLY the blame for our entire economy tanking, not illegal immigrants. So you take one problem and to fix this problem you just add an additional problem that you didn’t have before! Genius, then you say, we meant to do that. So meant to kill the farmers produce, raise the prices of food for all the citizens?? No wonder the South is always the laughing stock and deemed as ignorant and dumb, I see why. I guess the racism is such strong force, that we say “Hey if we have to screw ourselves, just to make our point”.

I am looking at Atlanta, they shut Buckhead down because of the “riff raff night life” but yet all of the developments were geared towards the traffic that the “riff raff night life” brought in, so they shut down Buckhead and guess what no more “riff raff nightlife” – no more tourism, no more out of towners visiting the city or wanting to relocate because there is nothing to bring them here because they can go to another city for this. How many landmark restaurants have now closed in Midtown/Buckhead?? Condos are not selling because nobody wants to live there. It was another genius plan. Good job Georgia and Atlanta!

You conservatives let your hate dictate how the well being of hard working people should go on, you think your deep run wealth is going to keep Georgia alive? You constantly make wrong decision because you only cater to your own need and the need of your own kind but you don’t make this state nor this city go around. You don’t spend money in this city to support the businesses, you just use it up and keep it. Sorry illegal immigrant never affected my life, it is the Republicans that are killing the economy by forcing their stupid ideaology on everybody.

No liquor sales on Sunday? Please, like you are doing something holy, it’s just dumb and we are paying for it all by businesses shutting down left and right, prices going up, and of course more increases in taxes and tolls just fund whatever you do with that money.

IJustCant

June 15th, 2011
12:10 am

And whoever said that we have able body’s to do the work, it simply delusional! No American is willing to do this type of work for $8 per hour on a 12 hour day with no benefits. Even if they do it now, it won’t last long because the first opportunity they have they will break camp for a better job. This will be only a transitional type situation for them. I doubt if they stay on for longer than two weeks. It is easier to apply for welfare, food stamps, medicaid, unemployment.

Do we have to totally suffer first before some sense get into our head. One of our biggest flaws in society is that we are only reactive not Pro active. We want change when things already go down the toilet but before then nobody cared what was going on.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

June 15th, 2011
12:12 am

IJustCant :

Do us all a favor and go to bed.

md

June 15th, 2011
12:28 am

Yep, those darned republicans running Atlanta…………another side chooser blinded by the rage.

ken

June 15th, 2011
12:30 am

Who picked the crops before the illegals ?

ken

June 15th, 2011
12:37 am

Pay Americans $15.00 per hr. to pick the crops. I would be happy to pay the extra. The emergency rooms would be less used, and teachers would have a one language class.

The Thin Guy

June 15th, 2011
12:50 am

For every problem there is a solution. First, get rid of all the illegal aliens who are flooding our schools and hospitals while paying no taxes. Second, get rid of welfare, food stamps, unemployment compensation and all of the other income retribution schemes that promote bums sitting on their buns. This will force the welfare bums to go out and do the jobs the illegal aliens did. So we have solved three problems: illegal immigration, income redistribution, and the nanny state. Kudos to Governor Nathan Deal for actually solving some of our problems.

TnGelding

June 15th, 2011
2:46 am

So what’s the problem? Just plant less next year, if anything at all. What about allowing people passing through to pick their own? Or plant crops that can be harvested mechanically? Of course teenagers could be organized and go to work and get off their phones. It would be good hard work for athletes and should help get them in shape for football season. Would beat two-a-days. And the schools that produced the most could be rewarded. The illegals need to go home and improve their own countries. We need all our precious resources.

Bob

June 15th, 2011
3:58 am

Please tell me what all the other countries in the world do that don’t have slave labor to bring in their crops?
That is what we should be doing.

Rick in Grayson

June 15th, 2011
5:58 am

It’s about time that farmers used LEGAL labor! We are tired of subsidizing their “CHEAP” labor! If they can’t make a living on government subsidies (again…our TAX MONEY) then they deserve to go out of business. They can take their business model to Mexico and be farmers down there. Stop drawing illegal aliens into this country!

We are sick and tired of paying for the K-12 educations provided to the children of illegal aliens. We are tired of having our ERs used as their personal doc-in-the-box at our expense. We are tired of our courts, jails, prisons, and the law enforcement efforts being used on illegal aliens…we even have to translate from Spanish to English for most of them!

Illegal aliens are costing the state 10 times what the farmers lose (if they are really losing that much). Learn to use a legal workforce! That goes for farmers, restaurants, landscapers, hotels/motels and whoever else uses such illegal labor!

Jane

June 15th, 2011
6:14 am

Now we are seeing the attempted solution to the knee jerk reaction of Hispanic workers being scared off by the fear of the evil brown people. If prisoners / probationers want to work the fields, then fine but my guess is that short of instituting chain gangs, you are not going to have enough workers still. I predict that the cost picking of the food crops will be reflected in the stores this year and people are not going to be happy with the result. Ye shall reap the result of what you have sowed. Enjoy paying thru the nose for your crops.

Rick

June 15th, 2011
6:18 am

To Rick in Grayson:
I don’t have kids and yet I’m forced to pay for your spawn to receive what you feel is an entitlement at my expense for your kids to have a K-12 education at my expense. Where does it differ where my money is being stolen to pay for other peoples kids education whether they be brown or white? PAY FOR YOUR OWN DAMN KIDS EDUCATION AND STAY OUT OF MY WALLET YOU PARASITE !!!

Steve

June 15th, 2011
6:32 am

When people show up at the labor office to sign up for unemployment checks, give them a farmers number. When you are jobless you donot have health insurance then either.

Gator Joe

June 15th, 2011
6:36 am

Jay,
I don’t feel sorry for these farmers most of whom voted for, and supported Deal. This feel-good legislation designed to satisfy the bigots and racists does indeed have unintended consequences. Did Deal, the farmers, and the assorted bigots and racists (which probably in cludes Deal and many of the farmers) actually believe there wouldn’t be and impact on available labor. I’ll be buying as much produce as I need from other states, especially the blue states.

Ayn Rant

June 15th, 2011
6:36 am

Republican hopes and ideals are a mixture of greed and ethnic prejudice. In the case of immigrant workers, prejudice won over greed.

Normal

June 15th, 2011
6:55 am

seabeau

June 15th, 2011
7:07 am

No workie! No checkie!!

Jefferson

June 15th, 2011
7:12 am

I hear Deal’s kids have money trouble, maybe they want to pick peaches…

Jefferson

June 15th, 2011
7:14 am

Oh, btw its about wages, low for hard labor…

Bud Wiser

June 15th, 2011
7:15 am

Did you copy this subject drivel from CTuck? As the lead media stooge mistress, she has already covered this subject recently, whining and moaning about how Georgia needs these illegals here, how we cannot possibly survive their leaving.

Oh the pain, the pain.

I guess she allows here underlings to use her material after she’s done with it.

After all, only a media stooge would bemoan the loss of illegals being here, taking jobs from poor Georgians who have suffered mightily under the “hope and change” lack of leadership, and might now be able to find some work, any work; only a media stooge would whine about the loss of illegals whose medical care will now have to be paid out of the pockets of other state’s caretakers, whose kids will have to enroll in their schools and maybe qualify for eventual tuition breaks, but for now be fed, clothed and housed by those states because they want criminals there; maybe its the insurance business since most of them cannot buy any, and when they crash their cars into real citizens cars, causing mayhem, injury and death, at least the citizens insurance can cover it.

Or maybe it is this…. the media stooges, being propped by the ever loving and parental Democrat party, are in actuality, are told to bemoan the potential devastating loss of a new and future indentured servitude class minority, much like what they already have with, well, you know.

stands for decibels

June 15th, 2011
7:17 am

Illegal aliens are costing the state 10 times what the farmers lose[1]

————
1. Rick in Grayson, “Me Bum”, pg. 214.

carlosgvv

June 15th, 2011
7:24 am

So the farmers need workers but are not willing to pay a good wage and include benefits and, somehow, it’s the government’s fault because other states won’t enforce the law?

stands for decibels

June 15th, 2011
7:25 am

In the case of immigrant workers, prejudice won over greed.

Pretty much, yep.

Funny how nobody’s (from what I could stomach from skimming the comments yesterday) addressed the central point of Jay’s piece, which was this:

a scrambling Deal was forced to order a hasty investigation into the impact of the law he had just signed, as if all this had come as quite a surprise to him.

Anyone want to get Deal’s back on how he’s handled this? anyone?

stands for decibels

June 15th, 2011
7:27 am

I hear Deal’s kids have money trouble, maybe they want to pick peaches…

I’m shocked, shocked, to hear nobody suggesting that those who’ve left creditors high and dry should have to slave away in the fields of south Georgia until they’ve personally worked off that debt.

Doggone/GA

June 15th, 2011
7:28 am

“So the farmers need workers but are not willing to pay a good wage and include benefits and, somehow, it’s the government’s fault because other states won’t enforce the law?”

Nope. It’s the consumer’s fault because famers who pay a good wage would have to charge more for their produce, and would lose customers to other farmers who pay lower wages and who can charge less.

Jefferson

June 15th, 2011
7:28 am

There is no way to know how many undocumented visitors we have here in Georgia,

Jefferson

June 15th, 2011
7:31 am

When a farmer can clear $25 per hour for the year, by paying $10 per hour and they didn’t have to the picking, would that be about right ? Would they have to reduce profits ? Would farmers become “dirt” poor again?

the watch dog

June 15th, 2011
7:51 am

I have no sypathy for the farmers or plantation owners. Immigration laws are met to be adheRdred to. Farmers are a wealthy bunch aND SHOULD BE HIRING PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE COUNTRY LEGALLY. iLLEGAL IMMIGRNTS COMMIT A DISPROPORTIONATE SHARE OF CRIME, POPULATE THE EMERGENCY ROOMS OF HOSPITALS. In 1996, 70,000 babies were born to illegal immiagrants in L.A. Now those children are starting their own families and 10 to a family thaT IS 720,000 more children that waS ALL STARTED BY A FEW IMMIGRANTS, AND ALL ON THE u.s. hEALTH cARE ySYTEM.

ken

June 15th, 2011
7:52 am

Rick, somebody without children paid school taxes to help you graduste.

Doggone/GA

June 15th, 2011
7:53 am

“In 1996, 70,000 babies were born to illegal immiagrants in L.A.”

And if they were born in LA they are citizens of the USA, with the same rights and privileges that YOU have.

stands for decibels

June 15th, 2011
7:59 am

About Bud @ 7.15.

To paraphrase Peggy Noonan: Is it irresponsible to speculate that Bud Wiser is angry and irrational because, as he’d asserted some months back, his daughter is hooked up with a guy who lives on unemployment benefits? It would be irresponsible not to!

Also, this:

IMMIGRNTS COMMIT A DISPROPORTIONATE SHARE OF CRIME

Not intended to be a factual statement.

stands for decibels

June 15th, 2011
8:02 am

Forgot to add:

IMMIGRNTS COMMIT A DISPROPORTIONATE SHARE OF CRIME

(c) 1811, 1911, & 2011, WATB LLC. All rights reserved.

Rick

June 15th, 2011
8:03 am

Ken, you sound like another entitlement minded parasite that thinks others should pick up the tab for supporting your spawn. PAY FOR YOUR OWN DAMN KIDS YOU PARASITE !!!

Doggone/GA

June 15th, 2011
8:05 am

“Ken, you sound like another entitlement minded parasite that thinks others should pick up the tab for supporting your spawn. PAY FOR YOUR OWN DAMN KIDS YOU PARASITE !!!”

WHOOOOOOSH – the sound of Ken’s point going right past Rick

stands for decibels

June 15th, 2011
8:06 am

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/05/27/reading-ranting-and-arithmetic.html

[...] the focus is not on the illegal immigrants, who are more likely to be victims than perpetrators.

That’s a distinction that raving pundits on the right have always had trouble making when they talk about an “illegal-alien crime wave.” And even some politicians who know better have been happy to stoke the fire. Thus Governor Brewer told Fox News and anyone else who’d listen, “We’ve been inundated with criminal activity. It’s just—it’s been outrageous.” Arizona’s Sen. John McCain said last month that the failure to secure the border with Mexico “has led to violence—the worst I have ever seen.” The president of the Arizona Association of Sheriffs, Paul Babeu of Pinal County, claims, “Crime is off the chart in this state.”

What the FBI chart actually shows is that the incidence of violent crime in Arizona declined dramatically in the last two years. After a spike in 2006 and 2007, the number in Phoenix dropped to 10,465 in 2008 and to 8,730 in 2009, which is lower than it was six years ago. Murders, which hit a high of 234 in 2006, dropped to 167 in 2008 and 122 in 2009. (Some lesser crimes may go unreported, especially if people are scared to talk to the cops, but police statistics only rarely miss a murder.)

Beavis

June 15th, 2011
8:08 am

The sky is falling the sky is falling, how on earth will we ever eat again without criminals picking our food. Before we had illegal aliens picking our food everybody in Georgia was dying of starvation, right libs? What a bunch of ignorant losers, liberals only want to obey the laws they like and ignore the ones they don’t like. If you don’t like a law change it, if you can’t change it you MUST obey it, that is how it works, how hard is that to understand?

SOUTHERN ATL

June 15th, 2011
8:12 am

A Voice Of Morality

June 14th, 2011
10:05 pm

Well said!

stands for decibels

June 15th, 2011
8:14 am

Until Jay posts another topic, I don’t suppose anyone wants to speculate long term about this particular issue, do they? How ultimately the only answer is an empowered, sustainably managed world population that is able to provide good opportunities for its people wherever they may live, living wages for honest work? and that anything the richest, most powerful nation ever on earth does to get to that trajectory helps, and anything we do to put this off winds up biting us in the ass?

Doggone/GA

June 15th, 2011
8:15 am

“if you can’t change it you MUST obey it, that is how it works, how hard is that to understand?”

Do you ever jaywalk? Drive over the speed limit? Change lanes without using your turn signal? Drive barefoot? How about turning at a stop sign or red light without coming to a full stop?

Ever kept a donkey in your bathtub? Ever tied a giraffe to a telephone pole? How about cussin’ on a phone call?

If you ever did any of those, you broke a law.

carlosgvv

June 15th, 2011
8:19 am

Doggone/GA

So, the Govt. and the States won’t enforce the law and it winds up being the consumers fault? Your fifth grade education really is showing today.

a reader

June 15th, 2011
8:20 am

stands for decibels – i’m widya.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 15th, 2011
8:21 am

stands @8:14…you’re new here aren’t you? :P

Joe

June 15th, 2011
8:22 am

Jay you are terribly misinformed. I work around the agriculture sector and they have been mildly hit by this legislation. Of course far left kooks like yourself will try and make an issue out of it because of your dislike for normal thinking Georgians who don’t want their hard earned tax dollars funding entitlements for illegals. Get out and ride around rural Georgia where you see field after field of blueberries, strawberries, and grapes. You’ll see that they are well packed with legal migrate workers now that this bill has been enacted thanks to our Republican representatives. It’s easy to cherry pick a few diehard democrat farmers who are willing to complain about anything Republican. Many farmers by the way are some of the biggest recipients of welfare from tax payers. That’s their real complaint is that government is cutting back on these ridiculous subsides funded by the tax payer….

Doggone/GA

June 15th, 2011
8:23 am

“So, the Govt. and the States won’t enforce the law and it winds up being the consumers fault?”

Hate to break it to you, but it’s always the consumers fault. We’re the voters, as well as the consumers, and if we didn’t go hell-bent for the lowest prices there might not even be a need for farmers to break those laws. But as VOTERS we aren’t exactly insisting that the laws be enforced either, now are we?

Call it like it is

June 15th, 2011
8:24 am

Interesting my uncle owns 400 acres in south ga, to which I just got back from last weekend, no labor issues down there, didnt hear about anything and I didnt see anything. Of course he doesnt use illegals and he pays a fair wage for a fair days work. I would put this blog in as a “cry wolf” situtation. For those on the left screaming about getting what you deserve, I guess your okay with the mega farmers taking government subsidies and then paying illegals 5 bucks an hour to pick your food. I guess its true the Democrat party is the slave party.

stands for decibels

June 15th, 2011
8:25 am

Long as I’m asking dumb questions, and back to the slightly smaller picture for a moment–the rancher who was murdered near the border in Arizona? Robert Krentz? Remember him? Good guy, from all accounts; he didn’t much care for people crossing over the border illegally, but he’d been know to provide water for some he saw who needed it.

Remember how Jan Brewer, who had been appointed as Gov. and who needed some issue to exploit to ensure election, used his death as an excuse to gin up poutrage over “illegal immigrant crime waves?”

Doesn’t anyone think it’s kind of strange that they never managed to actually solve that case? Why, a cynic might think the authorities don’t actually want it solved.

Beavis

June 15th, 2011
8:25 am

Doggone/GA
“Do you ever jaywalk? Drive over the speed limit? Change lanes without using your turn signal? Drive barefoot? How about turning at a stop sign or red light without coming to a full stop?”
And your point is, absolutely nothing and ignorant, the law is if I get a jaywalking ticket I get a fine, if I get caught speeding, you get a fine or jail depending on how fast. If you get caught driving barefoot, or running a red light you get a fine, now according to federal law if you get caught here and you are illegal you are detained then deported, is there something that you are unable to understand here? We are a nation of laws, if you don’t like that feel free to leave any time, please get a one way…

poison pen

June 15th, 2011
8:25 am

stands for decibels

June 15th, 2011
8:02 am

Forgot to add:

IMMIGRNTS COMMIT A DISPROPORTIONATE SHARE OF CRIME

Stands, you are a hypocrite, at your 7:25 post you rip on everyone because they are not discussing Bookmans original blog on Deal and here you are after 3 posts and you never mentioned it yourself.
Do you know what you even write????????????????????

a reader

June 15th, 2011
8:27 am

seriously. after reading the paper this AM i was about to write something about how slavery hasn’t been abolished – just morphed or evolved shall we say. anyway, SFD, i like the way you think.

Doggone/GA

June 15th, 2011
8:28 am

“We are a nation of laws”

Sure…we are. But law enforcement costs money. If you cut taxes, cut taxes, cut taxes, then you’ve got to be prepared for the inevitable consequences. And one of those consequences is that law enforcement doesn’t have the money or resources to actually ENFORCE those laws. So fairly minor offenses go uncaught and unpunished, because law enforcment tries to get the biggest bang for it’s buck by going after truly dangerous law breakers.

poison pen

June 15th, 2011
8:29 am

stands for decibels

June 15th, 2011
8:25 am

Long as I’m asking dumb questions, and back to the slightly smaller picture for a moment–the rancher who was murdered near the border in Arizona? Robert Krentz? Remember him? Good guy, from all accounts; he didn’t much care for people crossing over the border illegally, but he’d been know to provide water for some he saw who needed it.

Remember how Jan Brewer, who had been appointed as Gov. and who needed some issue to exploit to ensure election, used his death as an excuse to gin up poutrage over “illegal immigrant crime waves?”

Doesn’t anyone think it’s kind of strange that they never managed to actually solve that case? Why, a cynic might think the authorities don’t actually want it solved.

Stands, let us know when the last time you worked with the Mexican authorities?

Remember when the guy was shot be Mexicans while on his jet ski with his wife & friends, they haven’t solved that one yet, so what in the hell is your dumb point.

cosby smith

June 15th, 2011
8:29 am

Gee..Jay supports slavery..After being chastized all my life for the south and slavery issues, it is now ok. Unemployment is over 9%. people say they are unable to find jobes and draw Government money..take these people, let them continue the government pay check along with what a farmer would pay – problem solved…no need for illegals or slavery. And by the way Jay, who do you not incl;ude the cost to the taxpayers for illeglas – cramming the emergency room for free health care, cramming schools with non english speaking children who hold up the tlearning process for others – there is a cost to this modern day slavery!

AmVet

June 15th, 2011
8:31 am

Good morning, all.

It’s easy to cherry pick a few diehard democrat farmers who are willing to complain about anything Republican.

Ah yes, one of my very favorite techniques.

Democrat with a small d and Republican with a capitol R.

The first time that I saw an example of this?

Back in the 1960’s, whilst reading some of the repulsive, racist tracts, where the words black man were spelled with a lower case b and White man with an upper case W.

I guess the author thinks no one will comment on this puerile stupidity.

Things have not changed all that much in 50 years, huh?

AmVet

June 15th, 2011
8:32 am

Oops, make that capital R…

Patrick Malone

June 15th, 2011
8:34 am

Georgia’s #1 economic engine is dependent on illegal workers. What is wrong with this picture?

poison pen

June 15th, 2011
8:34 am

Doggone/GA

June 15th, 2011
8:23 am

“So, the Govt. and the States won’t enforce the law and it winds up being the consumers fault?”

Hate to break it to you, but it’s always the consumers fault. We’re the voters, as well as the consumers, and if we didn’t go hell-bent for the lowest prices there might not even be a need for farmers to break those laws. But as VOTERS we aren’t exactly insisting that the laws be enforced either, now are we?

Doggone, the only people on here who don’t want the laws are LIBERALS, you must cherry pick what you read because there are many people on here who want the laws enforced.

Maybe you just vote for the wrong people.

stands for decibels

June 15th, 2011
8:34 am

Ever tied a giraffe to a telephone pole?

She was dressed like she wanted it.

stands for decibels

June 15th, 2011
8:36 am

at your 7:25 post you rip on everyone because they are not discussing Bookmans original blog on Deal

I ripped on them in the past tense, pp. I don’t really expect them to be doing it now, half a day later.

stands for decibels

June 15th, 2011
8:37 am

Remember when the guy was shot be Mexicans while on his jet ski with his wife & friends

This is what passes for cross-examination in Wingnuttia.

Peadawg

June 15th, 2011
8:39 am

“Georgia’s #1 economic engine is dependent on illegal workers. What is wrong with this picture?”

Georgia’s #1 economic engine is dependent on slave labor. What is wrong with this picture? Fixed your typo. Low wages, long hours, no health insurance…sounds like that 1800s to me.

Zedd

June 15th, 2011
8:41 am

This is the farmer’s response to HB-87 since they oppose it. It’s all a plow and they’ve had it planned all along. They don’t want to have to comply with the new law or the laws they should have been abiding by all along. I have no sympathy for farmers that built their farms on false foundations with illegal workers. Put those incarcerated in state prisons to work in the fields and bring back the chain gangs!

Left wing management

June 15th, 2011
8:41 am

Doggoner : “So fairly minor offenses go uncaught and unpunished, because law enforcment tries to get the biggest bang for it’s buck by going after truly dangerous law breakers”

Yep. Tax evasion being a great example.

Joe Mama

June 15th, 2011
8:41 am

GLL — “DO you see the discussion here? Did you read Jay’s article.”

Yup. And neither the discussion nor Jay’s article own my thoughts and opinions on the matter.

“It’s democrats that want to point out what a horrible economic condition is made by stopping the practice of underpaying brown people who have no legal rights. You should be ashamed of yourself.”

And it’s Republicans who, by and large, were the ones EMPLOYING those people. Maybe you should take the two-by-four out of your own eye first.

Finn McCool

June 15th, 2011
8:42 am

i’m not a business owner so I am thinking this law will push wages up in GA for our legal poor and working classes. That gives them more money to spend which, in turn, improves our economy.

Business owners affected by the new laws will have to figure out a new business model.

mrs. w

June 15th, 2011
8:42 am

Let the non violent prisoners gather the crop and let that be the farm subsidy. Free labor for the farmers in return for free room and board, medical and dental and education for the prisoners, already bought and paid for by us, the tax payers..

stands for decibels

June 15th, 2011
8:43 am

and seriously, pp, at the risk of sounding like I am “ripping on you” (I’m not, I’m asking nicely) wouldja learn to attribute previously posted material by using italics or, if you can’t manage that bit of html wizardry, quotation marks? And not re-post the whole thing? Especially the name/date/timestamp?

Normal

June 15th, 2011
8:44 am

mrs. w

June 15th, 2011
8:42 am

Mrs W,
I like the way you think!

Finn McCool

June 15th, 2011
8:46 am

And you folks do realize the business owners have much more sway in setting policy than any individuals do, right? It doesn’t matter if the business owner is Republican, Democrat, Green or what.

Look for there to be loopholes introduced iver the next year and corruption galore as business owners start pulling out the stops to stabilize their profits.

a reader

June 15th, 2011
8:46 am

yea, this (the deal bill) is one of the smartest (in terms of what’s good for american people) far reaching (in terms of bringing out positive change) things i’ve seen a republican do in recent times. i hope it sticks and catches on.

Finn McCool

June 15th, 2011
8:47 am

Free labor for the farmers in return for free room and board, medical and dental and education for the prisoners

There’s a term for that….slavery

Normal

June 15th, 2011
8:50 am

Finn,

“There’s a term for that….slavery”

I say not so. they are wards of the state. They decide if they want to work in the fields. That’s not slavery.

mike

June 15th, 2011
8:52 am

I love how folks are blaming President Obama and the liberals for this mess. If you want to put probationers to work, let’s put all on some state subsidy out there as well. We need to be fair about this. I know the governor’s intent is not to target one group of people over another. However if you are receiving financial support from the State of Georgia, you need to get out there and pick.

Finn McCool

June 15th, 2011
8:53 am

Tell a prisoner you can do one of two things:
1) Stay in your cell/bunk and read and maybe better yourself
2) Work your tail off in the hot GA sun picking crops

and for either choice, at the end of the day, you will be no better off financially than you were at the beginning.

Which would you choose?

Now, if you work a deal so that they get a 1/4 day of reduced sentencing for every day they work in the field, that might work….and it would reduce our prison population more quickly.

mrs. w

June 15th, 2011
8:54 am

Finn: It isn’t slavery. They should be required to do something other than just sit and watch cable TV and work out all day. After all – they are being cared for with tax payer $, surely we should get something in return.

Finn McCool

June 15th, 2011
8:54 am

However if you are receiving financial support from the State of Georgia, you need to get out there and pick.

Yeah, like the owners of the Kia plant. they were given tax breaks to build their plant here. Get to pickin!

Doggone/GA

June 15th, 2011
8:55 am

“Now, if you work a deal so that they get a 1/4 day of reduced sentencing for every day they work in the field, that might work….and it would reduce our prison population more quickly”

Or give them a choice between that and some fairly set amount of pocket money to buy things.

Doggone/GA

June 15th, 2011
8:56 am

“surely we should get something in return”

We already do: they’re not out on the streets committing more crimes

Bosch

June 15th, 2011
8:56 am

“How about cussin’ on a phone call?”

:shock:

Uh oh.

And damn, I’ll be right back I’ve gotta get my giraffe. Cussin’s okay on a blog, right?

Finn McCool

June 15th, 2011
8:57 am

mrs. w, you can’t force people to work. That went out with the chain gangs.

If you give them something to make them want to work, that is a diffrent story. I say, shorten their sentences for every so many hours worked.

Bosch

June 15th, 2011
8:58 am

Finn,

Maybe we should get the guys who are in jail for growing weed out in the fields — sound like a plan? :)

Finn McCool

June 15th, 2011
9:00 am

We could use college students. The loser of the UGA-GTech football game has to put their students in the fields all summer long.

Don't Forget

June 15th, 2011
9:01 am

Why should the farmers get free prison labor if no one else is? Aren’t the farmers one of the biggest offenders when it comes to hiring illegals? And yet some want to reward them with free prison labor.
No, the solution is simple, raise the wages and let the free market do it’s job. From the looks of things I’d say food may be a little too cheap anyway.

poison pen

June 15th, 2011
9:01 am

And it’s Republicans who, by and large, were the ones EMPLOYING those people. Maybe you should take the two-by-four out of your own eye first.

And Joe, you know this because???

AmVet

June 15th, 2011
9:01 am

Since some are so very interested in, ahem…………………..justice, I’d recommend we round up all of those men who owned home construction businesses, landscaping companies, the managers at McDonald and Walmart, who made small fortunes – illegally – etc, etc, etc, and put them on the first bus to south Georgia farms.

I’m sure my tough on crime, Republican friends want them to repay their debts to society…

Finn McCool

June 15th, 2011
9:03 am

Bosch,
Legalize weed production but not consumption in GA? Make GA an economic powerhouse. So much capital will flow into the state that technology will be harnessed to maximize production.

That’s a good plan.

poison pen

June 15th, 2011
9:03 am

stands for decibels

June 15th, 2011
8:43 am

and seriously, pp, at the risk of sounding like I am “ripping on you” (I’m not, I’m asking nicely) wouldja learn to attribute previously posted material by using italics or, if you can’t manage that bit of html wizardry, quotation marks? And not re-post the whole thing? Especially the name/date/timestamp

Stands, you post the way you want and I will post the way I want, I always love it when a Lib wants to tell someone what to do or how to spend their money.

AmVet

June 15th, 2011
9:03 am

“And Joe, you know this because???”

pen, really?

You’re not actually gonna go there, are you?

Joe Mama

June 15th, 2011
9:03 am

1811 — “Well if the farm workers work more than 40 hours they get paid for it ! Probably time and a half.”

I respect your opinion on military matters, but when it comes to farming, you obviously don’t know a g****mn thing. ;)

They DON’T get paid for it. Harvesting is (in my experience, and ask AmVet and others who have done it) usually a piece-rate arrangement. That’s not to say you get paid a penny per potato that you dig; it’s more likely that you get a fixed rate per volume that you pick (e.g. a bushel of onions gets you so much pay). I’ve seen it work like that for everything from corn to potatoes to cabbages to strawberries. The more you pick, the more you earn.

I’ve never SEEN an hourly rate for unskilled harvesting labor; I’d be surprised if such a thing even exists. And time and a half? Fuhgeddaboutit. The incentive is picking faster to make more money. An hourly rate incents you to work SLOWER, and that’s the opposite of what the farmers want. They want their crops out of the ground/off the tree and away to market ASAP. They don’t want hourly workers slacking around and risking spoilage of part of the crop.

“No “time and a half” or “night differntial” or “Sunday Pay” or “Holiday Pay” for the grunts !!”

And none for harvesters, either. You really need to give this angle of argument up; it’s pretty plain you only know one side of the equation.

Bosch

June 15th, 2011
9:06 am

Finn,

You know? The people at the top just don’t ask the right people for solutions. I think we got this figured out.

md

June 15th, 2011
9:08 am

“Free labor for the farmers in return for free room and board, medical and dental and education for the prisoners

There’s a term for that….slavery”

“Slaves” never had a choice……..penal system vacationers had the choice prior to accepting their invitations…….and each costs the states big bucks……..I have no problem putting them to work to pay off their debt………..why should we pay for their choices??????????

Don't Forget

June 15th, 2011
9:11 am

fresh sheets upstairs

Larry Fricke

June 15th, 2011
9:12 am

Tell me where to sign up for these agriculture jobs. I can do anything a illegal immigrant can do but the one thing that I can do that’s better is that I can do it legally .

Joe Mama

June 15th, 2011
9:14 am

md — “Incorrect…….the 1st applies to the “media”….which can be and is corporations……..hence Citizens United.”

Incorrect. The First Amendment *specifies* the “press,” which has been understood by the courts to be ‘anyone who can afford a means of disseminating information in the public interest.’

Donovan

June 15th, 2011
9:20 am

Thanks, Jay, for your brilliant essay on reasons to keep law breakers picking our crops. Your editorial on swallowing a bitter pill shows your distain for law and order. Both Arizona and Georgia are making the hard choices that your liberal Democrat Party hasn’t the testicles to do. The free market made the mistake of allowing illegal immigrants to manipulate the market place. The free market will also figure out a way to come up with a better idea. For decades your liberal ideology allowed for organized labor to destroy the market place and consequently drove all American production of goods to foreign markets. Slavery does have its place in agriculture and everyone seems to be fine with it. What you are barking at is just another blame scenario against the GOP. Until the free market system figures out an alternative, other than giving a free pass to law breakers, this lazy country can grow our own back yard veggies like one of your liberal myrmidons suggested in an earlier blog.

Fletch

June 15th, 2011
9:22 am

I have a crazy suggestion for all the AG Farmers here in Georgia. Why don’t you simply follow the tried and true business practice of paying a fair wage for a fair days work? I’m sure my partners and I could make money hand over fist if we simply got rid of our “overpaid” employees and replaced them with prisoners and illegals. However, it’s not good business, and it’s certainly not good for the country as a whole. You’ll get no sympathy form me now that your gravy train has been derailed. And by the way, I don’t have a problem paying an extra dollar for fruits and vegetables as long as I know the person picking it is being treated fairly.

md

June 15th, 2011
9:22 am

“Incorrect. The First Amendment *specifies* the “press,” which has been understood by the courts to be ‘anyone who can afford a means of disseminating information in the public interest.’”

I stand corrected on my choice of word, but not on the interpretation as corporations fall under that “anyone”…….so says those same courts.

Joe Mama

June 15th, 2011
9:29 am

mrs. w — “After all – they are being cared for with tax payer $, surely we should get something in return.”

Incarceration is not a matter of investment in human capital, madam. We don’t lock people up with the expectation of ‘getting something in return’ for our expenditure on them through the Corrections system.

Finn — “Now, if you work a deal so that they get a 1/4 day of reduced sentencing for every day they work in the field, that might work….and it would reduce our prison population more quickly”

Good idea and worth considering.

Doggone — “Or give them a choice between that and some fairly set amount of pocket money to buy things.”

Also a good idea.

Joe Mama

June 15th, 2011
9:32 am

poison pen — “And Joe, you know this because???”

The carpet mills in Dalton. Poultry plants all across the South. Big meatpackers like Hormel. All of them use boatloads of undocumented laborers.

Democratic-owned and -run?

Nope.

Joe Mama

June 15th, 2011
9:35 am

md — “I stand corrected on my choice of word, but not on the interpretation as corporations fall under that “anyone”…….so says those same courts.”

Respectfully, I take strong exception to the courts’ interpretation of corporations as persons and have for many years.

IMO, courts fail to hold corporate persons responsible for corporate malfeasance and therefore, IMO do not penalize corporate lawbreaking appropriately. Therefore, corporate persons enjoy *greater* protection under the law than do human persons.

two cents worth

June 15th, 2011
9:40 am

Well the state is sitting on 10% unemployment, and we have applicants come into our workplace every day to fill out applications for jobs that aren’t open, so does it “have” to be illegal immigrants that do farm labor???

Cynthia Who?

June 15th, 2011
9:45 am

Scare tactics at its finest. Here’s an idea. Instead of continuing to pay lazy people who sit on their butts and collect food stamps and welfare month after month, have them work those jobs. Have convicts who sit in prison and suck up tax payer money pick those crops then all the proceeds go back to the jails to cover the costs of their food and tv.

If Jay had his way. Illegals would come back collect all that money under the table because they don’t have ss#. Taxpayers would front the bill on their healthcare benefits and education. Welfare abusers would still be on welfare and prisoners would still be getting funded 100% by taxpayers.

TCB

June 15th, 2011
9:45 am

Amazing how we expect people to abide by the law! I guess all of the ajc kool-aid drinkers want to condone all illegal activity. This is nothing but exaggerated propaganda from the farmers who are paying cash to illegals so that they can put more in their own pockets.

lynnie gal

June 15th, 2011
10:02 am

I feel sorry for these farmers and their predicament, but need to point out that these are the people who vote republican every election and force their policies down the throats of Atlanta, which mostly votes Democrat. Atlanta is the economic machine that drives this state and rural people don’t want to support any policies which will benefit Atlanta. Now, their stubborn devotion to these republican fools is ruining their own rural economies. When the small town folk are standing in the welfare lines themselves, will they change their minds? Sadly, probably not. Whatever lies Deal and his cronies come up with to shift the blame to Democrats, they will most likely buy into.

Joe Mama

June 15th, 2011
10:03 am

CW — “Instead of continuing to pay lazy people who sit on their butts and collect food stamps and welfare month after month, have them work those jobs. Have convicts who sit in prison and suck up tax payer money pick those crops then all the proceeds go back to the jails to cover the costs of their food and tv.”

I’m interested in your plan to transport and house the people whom you intend to work those jobs. You clearly don’t realize that harvesting work requires you to move around every two to three weeks; you don’t stay in one place for very long to get the job done.

I’m also interested in how you expect the workers to house themselves temporarily while they go down to Central and South GA to pick these crops.

straitroad

June 15th, 2011
10:36 am

This is blown out of proportion. Cut the welfare and food stamps and see how fast those fields fill up with workers.

Joe Mama

June 15th, 2011
10:54 am

straitroad — “Cut the welfare and food stamps and see how fast those fields fill up with workers.”

Good luck with that. I don’t think it will turn out anything like you apparently think it will.

ANGEl_BHAM

June 15th, 2011
1:14 pm

By law the paid what they supposed. ITS CALLED MINUMUN WAGE.

You see the prices in blueberries 3.98 for 4oz…. what you think is gonna be on a few months….

ppl in america is spoil… work for the minumun wage and keep working so you can earn a better paid. And Companies paid what the supposed, if they paid more, products prices increse, then we complaint about something else…..

STOP COMPLAINING GET YOU ASS TO THE FIELDS… 8 dollars and hours is more paid that working for McDonalds…. But you preffer flip burges on the A/C than work on the 100 degrees sun.

Priscilla Padron

June 15th, 2011
2:59 pm

Probationers working on Georgia farms?

First, will they even apply? The law says probationers are required to seek “suitable” work.*

Work on South Georgia farms is not “unskilled.” It requires a lot of conditioning, able bodies, quick responses and endurance. It is back-breaking and skin-destructing. Many of the workers have pterygium (a benign, white growth on the cornea), due to sun exposure. Needless to say, skin cancers are a huge risk. Housing is usually abysmal.

Can farmers also provide emergency medical services for untrained workers, because they will surely need it.

Governor Deal’s solution is impractical.

Let’s stop messing with ill-conceived state laws and put pressure on our Senators and Representatives to implement immigration reform on a national level. It can be done.

*GA PROBATION
TERMS & CONDITIONS
(5) Work faithfully at suitable employment insofar as may be possible;

Daniel

June 15th, 2011
4:01 pm

stupid rednecks !

Viridian Ideals

June 15th, 2011
6:25 pm

Quick question for all the people harping on the fact that these workers are here illegally: Why are you so hell-bent at getting these people out of your state at (apparently) great cost to one of the largest economic drivers in your state? It seems rather un-American to punish people in such a way who are busting their butts doing honest miserable labor with the hope of providing a better life for themselves and their families.

Viridian Ideals

June 15th, 2011
7:00 pm

Viridian Ideals

June 15th, 2011
7:49 pm

Bueller…??

jgo

June 15th, 2011
8:29 pm

I don’t see any unintended consequences. It’s all playing out to plan… except for one thing. US citizens ARE willing to do farm labor. We have done farm labor. But we expect to be treated decently, too. We will continue to object to the flood of illegal aliens (and excessive legal guest-workers and immigrants), until the games are brought to an end, the borders secured, and sanity restored.

vuduchld

June 15th, 2011
8:49 pm

Me, I say let them crops rot because you bottom feedin Jawjians sure are not going out there to pick them veggies. Heck, Deal, needs to get out there and start pickin, he surely can use the extra cash seeing that he’s broke (lmao). He is one of many examples with your sorry state, too many dumb people running it, now you’ve shot yourselves in the foot. If I lived in this lowly state I sure wouldn’t want some grimy, slimy probationer coming on my farm picking fruit. I say get the average hillbilly Jawjian, the ones who want this law so bad to get out there in them fields and start pickin. That is what I want to see (LOL)

vuduchld

June 15th, 2011
8:50 pm

Hey jgo @ 8:29 PM

Get your sorry meth infused ass out there and start pickin boy!!

lynn everitt

June 15th, 2011
9:26 pm

Our laws are to protect the illegals and legal citizens. When farmers refuse to stop picking up their workers on the corner the day they need them, it shows a lack of planning. And we know they hate paper work.
So Jay, keep supporting the problem that encourages many to come here and put themseleves in danger of being robbed, raped, murdered, human trafficing etc as they try to get here. And keep supporting the criminals that are hurting georgia citizens. Very nice of you Jay.

jeong kim

June 15th, 2011
10:54 pm

So, In coming July who is going to arrest all of the school teacher who are harboring illeagl immigrant students.

My Thoughts

June 16th, 2011
5:27 pm

I read a handful of posts and “Finn McCool” is right on with all his posts. If you put prisoners to work in the fields, then you’ll have more people being arrested on BS charges just to get free labor for someone who’s making back door deals with the right people. To profit (free labor) from arresting people, is a no-no. We want less prisoners, not more. We have about 5% of the world population……and 25% of it’s prisoners……….because we already have a corrupt legal system. Don’t make it worse by telling them they can provide free labor for those who donate to their campains.

DadOThree

June 16th, 2011
5:31 pm

Our schools on July 1st are going to become more healthy due to a decrease in Tuberculosis. Our hospitals will be more profitable due to a down surge of illegals seeking free care. This is truly a needed bill for the health of Georgia’s Kids. Love it.

George Watson

June 16th, 2011
7:48 pm

There is a small irony in that Georgians will not be able to buy so many of those new cars from Alabama, where they enacted similar legislation. I would boycott their autos, but our own small minded leaders have done a much better job of penalizing them. What goes around…

[...] Ga.’s farm-labor crisis going exactly as planned | Jay Bookman. [...]

RICKY

June 18th, 2011
9:04 pm

ty webb

boy o’boy, how did we ever do anything without those illegals?

YOU HAVE NOT!

Realist

June 19th, 2011
4:01 pm

@DadOThree School children all must have physicals. TB does find it’s way into all kinds of places, sometimes from those born in the USA who travel abroad. Often “haters” and “talking heads” blame undocumented people much like bullies in a school yard. Repeating their rhetoric continues the myths and misinformation.

Now, if you want to complain about the lack of actual exams that sometimes pass as school physicals, that’s another issue and totally unrelated to undocumented people or farm labor.

Realist

June 19th, 2011
4:18 pm

Thankfully teachers and school bus driver’s, are part of the three groups who are exempt from HB87 in the course of their duties, but interestingly churches are NOT. “Privately funded social services” organization are generally different than religious organizations. So, if you help at church you might want to start asking all who attended or all who are helped to “show their papers” or you and/the church board might find yourselves looking for bail money AND an attorney to defend you. You might be found “not guilty” BUT you will still have to pay those attorney fees and spend countless hours/days dealing with the mess.

See section 16 of HB87 “shall not include a person providing services to infants, children, or victims of a crime; a person providing privately funded social services; a person providing emergency medical service; or an attorney or his or her employees for the purpose of representing a criminal defendant.”

Realist

June 19th, 2011
4:40 pm

No the farmers weren’t breaking the law by hiring migrant workers. Farmers completed whatever paperwork was needed. They aren’t ICE agents, trained to examine documents. They weren’t required to check immigration status.

REQUIRING all new hires – in CERTAIN situations (not all) – be run through E-Verify is PART of HB87. And in order to USE E-Verify, the person must have already BEEN hired – it can’t be used as a screening tool. Georgia will need to be certain all rural areas are covered by wi-fi so farmers can keep a laptop in the truck so they CAN use E-Verify in the field. But first the federal government needs to fix the system and ramp up capacity as it’s notoriously error prone and not designed for widespread use.

Taxes & FICA get deducted (assuming the employer does that) and were reported on whatever 9 digit number was provided. The government gets the money; but the undocumented worker does NOT get credit.

Social Security returns a “no match” when the name, sex, & SS # don’t match as they should. Undocumented workers are actually FUNDING Social Security for the rest of us, which is one reason I suspect that immigration reform is repeated blocked by special interest groups. By the time a “no match” is returned, the worker has usually moved on following the crops.