John Edwards a figure of sympathy … NOT!

The late Elizabeth Edwards and her husband, John, smile for the cameras in a 2008 campain appearance. (AP Photo)

The late Elizabeth Edwards and her husband, John, smile for the cameras in a 2008 campain appearance. (AP Photo)

His wife died a few months ago of cancer, his sky-high political ambitions have crumbled into dust beneath his loafered feet, his wacky ex-lover and mother of his love child is peddling a book about their affair and he now faces as much as 30 years in federal prison.

Anybody out there feel sorry for John Edwards?

No, didn’t think so.

His rise and fall does raise some questions, however. Is Edwards evidence that politics tends to attract people who have a warped sense of morality? Or can a lifetime in politics and the public eye turn even decent people into caricatures of themselves?

I think a case can be made for both explanations, but I prefer a third: Politicians represent the rest of us more accurately than we would like to admit.

His legal troubles aside, Edwards has certainly behaved about as shabbily as can be imagined. Yet if you think about it, I’ll bet most of us know someone personally or have at least heard of someone two or three degrees removed who has behaved just as badly as Edwards has.

And as far as politicians go, I know people of both parties who are honest, sincere and trustworthy, and I know people of both parties who are none of those things. Overall, I don’t think the Bell curve distribution of villains and heroes in the political world varies much from the rest of the world.

However, they do tend to flame out in more spectacular fashion, and when they do, we lock them into the stocks on the modern village square where rotten vegetables can be thrown at them, both as entertainment and as a reminder to us groundlings that crossing certain lines comes at a price.

– Jay Bookman

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Real Scooter

June 3rd, 2011
12:21 pm

Real Scooter

June 3rd, 2011
12:25 pm

Mary Elizabeth

June 3rd, 2011
12:30 pm

“. . .a reminder to us groundlings that crossing certain lines comes at a price.”

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Nathaniel Hawthorne’s “The Scarlet Letter” comes to mind, as does Jesus’ words, “Judge not.”

Paulo977

June 3rd, 2011
12:31 pm

jay
“Politicians represent the rest of us more accurately than we would like to admit.”They take the heat for some of us
,sinners. Hypocrites!

Doggone/GA

June 3rd, 2011
12:31 pm

I can, and do, feel sorry for him. But I would not let that lead me to think he needs to be absolved of the responsibliity for the things he did.

Granny Godzilla

June 3rd, 2011
12:32 pm

Sympathy?

Not from me.

Mr. Edwards was right about the 2 Americas…..but neither of them
would be happy with their hard earned money, given in good faith as campaign contributions, being spent in an illegal manor.

Let justice be done.

ZamVet

June 3rd, 2011
12:34 pm

Carlin nailed it, a long time ago:

That is one thing you might’ve noticed I don’t complain about: Politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. But where do the people think these politicians come from? They don’t fall out of the sky. They don’t pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from american parents and american families, american homes, american schools, american churches, american businesses and american universities. and they’re elected by american citizens. This is the best we can do, folks. This is what we have to offer.

It’s what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out! If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, if you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you are gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders. The term limits ain’t goinna do any good; you’re just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans.

So maybe, maybe, maybe it’s not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here. Like… the public. Yeah. The public sucks! There’s a nice campaign slogan for somebody. “The public sucks, f&ck hope!”. F&ck hope.

Because if it’s really just the fault of these politicians then where are all the other bright people of conscience? Where are all the bright, honest, inteligent americans ready to step in and save the Nation and lead the way? We don’t have people like that in this country; everybody’s at the mall, scratching his ass, picking his nose, taking his credit card out of his fanny pack and buying a pair of sneakers with lights in them!

Jeff

June 3rd, 2011
12:34 pm

A dollar to a doughnut he’s found not guilty or there’s a hung jury. I’m sure they will be able to get at least one leftist juror seated.

getalife

June 3rd, 2011
12:35 pm

He will pull a newt and stay in politics.

larry

June 3rd, 2011
12:36 pm

Sympathy?

The only ones Im sympathic for is his two pre-teen children who will grow up without their mother and quite possibly without their father.

And for his parents, who now wonder where did they go wrong.

But i dont feel sorry for him. Just another case of the cover-up being worse than the crime.

Mary Elizabeth

June 3rd, 2011
12:36 pm

Legal justice, Granny. Moral justice is better left to God.

Brosephus

June 3rd, 2011
12:37 pm

Jay

You were doing good up until this paragraph:

And as far as politicians go, I know people of both parties who are honest, sincere and trustworthy, and I know people of both parties who are none of those things. Overall, I don’t think the Bell curve distribution of villains and heroes in the political world varies much from the rest of the world.

I would belong to the camp that thinks there are more who are not trustworthy than there are who are trustworthy. I don’t really trust many of them at all. Power and money has a tendency to corrupt those who are otherwise morally upright people. I don’t think it’s a problem with the people as much as it is with the system. That would make the political bell curve quite a bit different from the rest of the world in my opinion.

Soothsayer

June 3rd, 2011
12:37 pm

John, you cheated on your cancer-stricken wife with someone who looks like she escaped from a dog-pound. Then you use campaign money to try to keep things quiet. Oh, what tangled web we weave . . .

Soothsayer

June 3rd, 2011
12:38 pm

Jay — four of them threadie thingies in one day! It must be getting close to your review time! Not to worry, I done called Anne Cox Chambers and put you in for a big’un! (Raise, that is!)

Dave R.

June 3rd, 2011
12:38 pm

I actually feel sorry for John Edwards. I really do.

The rough soap they hand out and the rough treatment he’s gonna get being someone’s b!tch in Club Fed are going to be disastrous for his skin tone . . . :D

USMC

June 3rd, 2011
12:38 pm

Another Corrupt Democrat!

This CLOWN, John Edwards, used the age old idiotic CLASS WARFARE approach to DIVIDE Americans.
Look in the mirror folks.
Who has the guts, besides “stands”, to admit that you voted for this CROOK because he made you FEEL GOOD.
Unbelievable!

larry

June 3rd, 2011
12:40 pm

I disagree about Edwards being like Newt. He is more like John Ensign, whose cover-up affair may have broke campaign laws.

getalife

June 3rd, 2011
12:40 pm

Just like newt USMC.

josef nix

June 3rd, 2011
12:40 pm

Now, that,Sir, is a good column.

We were talking here at home the other night about politicians. Unmentionable made the point that anytime he hears one say s/he’s a proponent of “traditional values” he marks that one off the list immediately and not because he doubts the claim. “That’s reason enough not to vote for him/her. Give me one whose values are NOT traditional…”

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 3rd, 2011
12:41 pm

“let he without sin, caste the first stone.” Having quoted that bit of scripture, I none the less hope that if the max is 30 years, Edwards gets it and serves all of it.

Chris Matthews

June 3rd, 2011
12:42 pm

He will pull a Clinton and become more popular!

USMC

June 3rd, 2011
12:42 pm

John Edwards’ only strategy is to bus in the illiterate Democrat/Welfare jurists to lay down the “Not guilty” verdict.

I hope Edwards has a seasoned Jury Consultant on his team.

BADA BING

June 3rd, 2011
12:43 pm

Let’s all remember the most important thing here……How is his hair going to look at the trial?

St Simons - we're on Island time

June 3rd, 2011
12:43 pm

the real tragedy is that the cons are throwing wingnut
dollars at Newt, and he’s no different

Brosephus

June 3rd, 2011
12:43 pm

Dave

He’ll go to Club Fed or will be in “protective custody”. He won’t even need soap-on-a-rope. :)

josef nix

June 3rd, 2011
12:45 pm

DAVE

I MUST respond…under orders…just so long as you don’t say that’s what he DESERVES…he should have some say in the matter, consenting adults, you know…fine line, but there nonetheless…and don’t muss the hair… :-)

BADA BING

June 3rd, 2011
12:45 pm

For all of America, including Monica Lewinsky, politics has left a bad taste in it’s mouth.

getalife

June 3rd, 2011
12:45 pm

“He will pull a Clinton and become more popular!”

No, Hillary did not have cancer but he will pull a newt and run for President.

larry

June 3rd, 2011
12:45 pm

Dang!! I pulled the time warp again!!

Gordon

June 3rd, 2011
12:46 pm

To paraphrase Groucho Marx (I think that is the right source): people who would do what it takes to become elected aren’t worthy to be elected. I disagree with Zamvet (and George Carlin), there are plenty of good people. But what makes them good keeps them from running for office, especially high office. Good people are for the most part unelectable. The media deserves some of the blame for this. Flaws, which we all have, are magnified beyond any reasonable standared when someone runs for office.

josef nix

June 3rd, 2011
12:47 pm

BADA

Beat me to it….curses, foiled again by the master…

USMC

June 3rd, 2011
12:47 pm

“He will pull a newt and stay in politics.”

This reminds me of a great commercial from the eighties:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FtNm9CgA6U

Real Scooter

June 3rd, 2011
12:49 pm

He will pull a newt and stay in politics

I don’t think Newt did anything illeagal.Niether of them would ever get my vote anyway.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 3rd, 2011
12:49 pm

“This reminds me of a great commercial from the eighties:”

Now thass funny. USMC, good one.

getalife

June 3rd, 2011
12:50 pm

getalife

June 3rd, 2011
12:51 pm

Scooter,

They don’t deserve any votes but newt running shows we are out of leaders.

josef nix

June 3rd, 2011
12:52 pm

Mary Elizabeth

Leave the moral justice to G-d? Maybe it’s just me, but I can see H-s hand in this…

Joe Mama

June 3rd, 2011
12:53 pm

USMC — “Who has the guts, besides “stands”, to admit that you voted for this CROOK because he made you FEEL GOOD.”

I voted for him, but not because he made me feel good.

I liked his ideas, and I liked that he took up for the underdog in American society.

But that doesn’t mean I have any sympathy for him today. He cheated on his sick wife, knocked up some tart working around his campaign and broke the law spending campaign contributions to make the whole thing go away. I don’t think you will find anyone here who will defend that, and I don’t think you will find anyone here who would have voted for him had they known these things in advance.

So how about you stop being a horse’s patoot and start showing some good grace to those of us who are answering your question honestly? A good start might be something like saying ‘thanks for admitting that, I really appreciate your honesty on this topic.’

Come on, it’s Friday. Give it a try.

Logical Dude

June 3rd, 2011
12:53 pm

All of this really could have been prevented if he had just come right out and said:

I DID have sexual relations with that women. We had an enjoyable time! I feel bad about my wife, who I probably will not be able to stay with because I can’t keep anything in my pants. So I’ll probably do this again in the future, and like it! Thank you all and God Bless America.

Then he woudln’t have needed to use funds to cover anything up, he wouldn’t have been open to being blackmailed, or to give hush money. But you know how “constituents” are. They expect the lie, so you give the lie to make them feel better.

BADA BING

June 3rd, 2011
12:53 pm

josef, hard to tell who beats who, with this time stamp problem. By the way, I disagree with your comment at 1:15 PM.

USMC

June 3rd, 2011
12:54 pm

“He will pull a newt and stay in politics.”–getalife

Didn’t we tell you that “Welfare Cheese” may cause Brain Damage???

I am pretty sure that John Edwards’ political career is…. OVAHHH!

Granny Godzilla

June 3rd, 2011
12:55 pm

Mary E

Yes, Indeed.

Granny Godzilla

June 3rd, 2011
12:55 pm

Gotta say I do have some sympathy for Edwards children – especially the little ones.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

June 3rd, 2011
12:55 pm

Finally a topic that most can agree on.

USMC

June 3rd, 2011
12:55 pm

I guess I can’t trust Josef Nix anymore because he gets all of his talking points from FOX NEWS!

Josef is a closet case Fox news viewer; who would have thought??? :-)

josef nix

June 3rd, 2011
12:56 pm

Gingrich and Edwards…now they’ve got a lot of nerve…qualifications in some quarters… :-)

USMC

June 3rd, 2011
12:59 pm

“So how about you stop being a horse’s patoot and start showing some good grace to those of us who are answering your question honestly? A good start might be something like saying ‘thanks for admitting that, I really appreciate your honesty on this topic.’”

Joe & Stands, there is NO way you could have known that this HORSES Ar$E was corrupt and breaking the law while running for President.

I apologize if I rubbed you the wrong way. I was wrong.
But John Edwards politics were horrible. He tried to vilify and DIVIDE people along socio-economic lines which is horrendous in my book.

If there is anyone that deserves jail time, it’s this crooked clown, John Edwards.

There Joe, do you feel better :-)

Joe Mama

June 3rd, 2011
12:59 pm

USMC — “I am pretty sure that John Edwards’ political career is…. OVAHHH!”

I think that was the case a long time ago. I think that anyone who thought he still had a chance even a week or two ago was just deluding themselves.

Me

June 3rd, 2011
12:59 pm

I feel bad for the kids, mom gone, dad could go to prison.

Brad Steel

June 3rd, 2011
12:59 pm

I think a case can be made for both explanations, but I prefer a third: Politicians represent the rest of us more accurately than we would like to admit.

Don’t think so. Overall, politicians are much more narcissistic and convinced of their own exaggerated self-importance than your average American. Unfortunately, it seems to take these qualities to suffer through elections and to believe that you should be leading.

Show me someone genuinely humble and I’ll show you someone who will never be an elected official.

getalife

June 3rd, 2011
1:00 pm

“Didn’t we tell you that “Welfare Cheese” may cause Brain Damage???”

How many personal attacks are allowed by USMC?

BADA BING

June 3rd, 2011
1:01 pm

Were John’s actions as bad as Clinton’s? Close, but no cigar.

Paulo977

June 3rd, 2011
1:01 pm

USMC
“John Edwards’ only strategy is to bus in the illiterate Democrat/Welfare jurists to lay down the “Not guilty” verdict.” …I knew that you would somehow manage to drag this in to fire your darts at those with a social conscience!!!

jay

June 3rd, 2011
1:01 pm

Men who cheat on their wives while that wife is dealing with cancer are scum and aren’t fit to be president.

Real Scooter

June 3rd, 2011
1:01 pm

They don’t deserve any votes but newt running shows we are out of leaders.

AMEN getalife!!!

Logical Dude

June 3rd, 2011
1:03 pm

Evidently, I am a leader in time-warping, since i have FIVE posts that came after my 12:53, and I see up to josef nix’s 12:56.

Next time I’ll try posting three answers to a question that comes after my post to see if I can beat it.

josef nix

June 3rd, 2011
1:03 pm

BADA

Took me a minute to catch that disagree one…THAT was good!

USMC

Yeah, I watch train wrecks, too,,,and NO I’m not a “closet” one…I admit it…but, again, only channel surfing when (sigh) Anderson Cooper is on commercial break… :-) And, well, there IS Shepherd Smith…

getalife

June 3rd, 2011
1:03 pm

“You might want to peel the welfare cheese out of getalife’s hands and tell him the bad news”

I guess USMC gets a free pass on personal attacks.

USMC

June 3rd, 2011
1:06 pm

“I think that was the case a long time ago. I think that anyone who thought he still had a chance even a week or two ago was just deluding themselves.”JOE

You might want to peel the welfare cheese out of getalife’s hands and tell him the bad news :-)

USMC

June 3rd, 2011
1:08 pm

““John Edwards’ only strategy is to bus in the illiterate Democrat/Welfare jurists to lay down the “Not guilty” verdict.” …I knew that you would somehow manage to drag this in to fire your darts at those with a social conscience!!!”

It was a joke Paulo, but don’t tell me you have some sort of superior “social conscience”; that’s a joke, too :-)

Joe Mama

June 3rd, 2011
1:10 pm

USMC — “Joe & Stands, there is NO way you could have known that this HORSES Ar$E was corrupt and breaking the law while running for President.”

Shrug. I guess that’s what passes for graciousness among Marines (giggle). Thanks, USMC.

Hey, listen, do you want to hear a Marine joke? :D

“I apologize if I rubbed you the wrong way. I was wrong.”

I sincerely appreciate this sentiment from you. Thanks very much.

“But John Edwards politics were horrible. He tried to vilify and DIVIDE people along socio-economic lines which is horrendous in my book.”

Well, I’d disagree with you on that, but I’d like to keep things cordial on this topic today.

“If there is anyone that deserves jail time, it’s this crooked clown, John Edwards.”

I don’t disagree, and you may very well get your wish.

“There Joe, do you feel better”

Maybe. Do you want to hear that Marine joke? :D

USMC

June 3rd, 2011
1:11 pm

“Yeah, I watch train wrecks, too,,,and NO I’m not a “closet” one…I admit it…but, again, only channel surfing when (sigh) Anderson Cooper is on commercial break… :-) And, well, there IS Shepherd Smith…”josef Nix

I was just busting your chops, Josef. I watch across the board as well.
But Rachel Madcow drives me crazy :-)

USMC

June 3rd, 2011
1:11 pm

“I guess USMC gets a free pass on personal attacks.”

Lighten up Frances! Today is the first day of the rest of your life :-)

Carry on!

josef nix

June 3rd, 2011
1:12 pm

USMC

No problem, Mate…I kinda like Rachel Maddow, myeself, (for her mind!) for much the same reason I like Anderson Cooper and Shepherd Smith…they’ll bite the hands of their feeders when they feel cause to and buck the party line…it must be a gay thing! :-)

Dave R.

June 3rd, 2011
1:17 pm

If there is any saving grace in all of this, you gotta know that Elizabeth Edwards is busy right now preparing a special place in hell for Johnny-boy when he finally exits this earth. ;)

To refer back to my joke a few weekends ago, “He’s not going to like Thursdays very much at all . . . ” :D

Midori

June 3rd, 2011
1:17 pm

USMC – All insults, no point.

All the time.

Offensive, really. And disgusting.

getalife

June 3rd, 2011
1:17 pm

Apologize USMC.

USMC

June 3rd, 2011
1:18 pm

GALLUP: 71% of Democrats favor redistributing wealth…
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147881/Americans-Divided-Taxing-Rich-Redistribute-Wealth.aspx

GO EARN YOUR OWN MONEY!

ByteMe

June 3rd, 2011
1:19 pm

How ’bout that Sally Heming?

Happens more than we want to admit.

getalife

June 3rd, 2011
1:20 pm

Midori :)

I am surprised he is still here.

Joe Mama

June 3rd, 2011
1:20 pm

Dave R. — “you gotta know that Elizabeth Edwards is busy right now preparing a special place in hell for Johnny-boy when he finally exits this earth.”

My wife and I are atheists, but it’s at times like this that she says “it’s enough to make me wish that there really WAS a hell.”

Then she remembers that there isn’t really one. But in this case, the person involved might just get to enjoy their own personal hell right here on earth.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 3rd, 2011
1:21 pm

Is it offensive if you follow it up with “just joking” or some similar tag line? How about if I start it with “with all due respect [which is none that YOU are due]….”

Edwards personal life has been despicable. As noted however, there are plenty of others who continue his callous disregard….Not to mention names but one of them you can find a bus in NH that has her name on it.

josef nix

June 3rd, 2011
1:24 pm

Joe Mama

There really isn’t a hell? You sure about that! Repent and hedge your bets… :-)

Art

June 3rd, 2011
1:28 pm

He was selfish and immoral when he first slept with Rielle Hunter, after that evening he was just flat out reckless and out of control when he tried to maintain that affair. Too many hearts have been broken by his sins. It seems he has a major character flaw, that he has no intention of repairing.

Can’t believe he is going to take his kids, all those who aided him and the public through an ugly and expensive trial. Hiding “gifts” of hundreds of thousands of dollars by passing money through “decorators” accounts and in boxes of chocolates is hardly honest gifting. Gifts of these types of amounts are subject to federal gift tax. Want to take any bets on whether those gifts were properly reported to the IRS? Who were the gifts really given to: Andrew Young, Rielle Hunter, or Edwards? More charges to come.

Logical Dude

June 3rd, 2011
1:29 pm

josef: There really isn’t a hell? You sure about that! Repent and hedge your bets

should Christians hedge their bets too? If there isn’t a hell, we should make it hell on earth for Edwards, too.

Adam

June 3rd, 2011
1:29 pm

Scare tactics work for the GOP, when it comes to hell or the unemployed or the deficit.

Keep the fear alive people!

USMC

June 3rd, 2011
1:30 pm

Employment growth slows sharply in May……unemployment numbers…9.1%

Obama has the fewest cabinet appointments with private sector experience EVER:
http://blog.american.com/2009/11/help-wanted-no-private-sector-experience-required/

Mary Elizabeth

June 3rd, 2011
1:31 pm

josef @ 12:52

Just a few thoughts from Carl Jung:

Condemnation does not liberate, it oppresses. …
If a doctor wishes to help a human being he must be able to accept him as he is.

That I feed the beggar, that I forgive an insult, that I love my enemy in the name of Christ — all these are undoubtedly great virtues.

But what if I should discover that the least amongst them all, the poorest of all beggars, the most impudent of all offenders, yea the very fiend himself — that these are within me, and that I myself stand in need of the alms of my own kindness, that I myself am the enemy who must be loved — what then? …
_______________________________________________________________________________
Here are some of Jung’s thoughts on human tendency to “Project” the Other:

“None of us stands outside humanity’s black collective shadow.

Whether the crime occurred many generations back or happens today, it remains the symptom of a disposition that is always and everywhere present – and one would therefore do well to possess some “imagination for evil”, for only the fool can permanently disregard the conditions of his own nature.

In fact, this negligence is the best means of making him an instrument of evil.

Harmlessness and naïveté are as little helpful as it would be for a cholera patient and those in his vicinity to remain unconscious of the contagiousness of the disease.

On the contrary, they lead to projection of the unrecognized evil into the “other.”

This strengthens the opponents position in the most effective way, because the projection carriers carries the fear which we involuntarily and secretly feel for our own evil over to the other side and considerably increases the formidableness of his threat.

What is even worse, our lack of insight deprives us of the capacity to deal with evil.”

————————————————–
Here is Jung speaking close to Christ’s thinking:

“Condemnation does not liberate, it oppresses. …

If a doctor wishes to help a human being he must be able to accept him as he is.

That I feed the beggar, that I forgive an insult, that I love my enemy in the name of Christ — all these are undoubtedly great virtues.

But what if I should discover that the least amongst them all, the poorest of all beggars, the most impudent of all offenders, yea the very fiend himself — that these are within me, and that I myself stand in need of the alms of my own kindness, that I myself am the enemy who must be loved — what then? …

Had it been God himself who drew near to us in this despicable form, we should have denied him a thousand times before a single cock had crowed.”

BADA BING

June 3rd, 2011
1:32 pm

I can’t figure out if this blog is going back to the future, or foward to the past. I now call my PC, my FC (flux capacitor).

stands for decibels

June 3rd, 2011
1:32 pm

“Who has the guts, besides “stands”, to admit that you voted for this CROOK because he made you FEEL GOOD.”

Where did I say I voted for him because he “made me feel good,” USMC?

Schrodingers cat

June 3rd, 2011
1:32 pm

J Mama – “Then she remembers that there isn’t really one.” (Hell that is)

How does she know?..She may have a belief and faith in that belief…but that would akin to religion…So you are not atheists at all…your religion is godless w/o a heaven or a hell, but a religion nonetheless…just sayin’

Dave R.

June 3rd, 2011
1:33 pm

As I only believe what I can see, hear, touch, taste and smell, I’m more of an Agnostic (we don’t believe in anything !).

Even if I don’t believe in an afterlife, I can hope there is one for this sanctimonious b@st@rd; and not a good one.

Me? I’d make his hair fall out in patches.

But not all of it . . . :evil:

Joe Mama

June 3rd, 2011
1:34 pm

Josef — “There really isn’t a hell? You sure about that! Repent and hedge your bets…”

I’ve always thought that Pascal’s Wager wasn’t an accurate depiction of the ‘hedge your bets’ challenge. I think it’s more like Pascal’s Roulette Wheel, in which you have to choose the EXACT right space for the ball to land on. Are the Baptists right? Or perhaps the Hasidim? What if the Theravada Buddhists are the correct choice? And what if it’s some little-known animist African tribe? That construction often seems disturbing to some theists, as it acknowledges the possibility of there being a god — just not the one they expect in the packaging they anticipate.

My answer to it all is like the computer in “War Games.” The only way to win is to not play the game. ;)

Joe Mama

June 3rd, 2011
1:35 pm

S. Cat — “How does she know?..She may have a belief and faith in that belief…but that would akin to religion…So you are not atheists at all…your religion is godless w/o a heaven or a hell, but a religion nonetheless…just sayin”

We’re all atheists. It’s just a question of how many and which particular gods we don’t believe in.

Logical Dude

June 3rd, 2011
1:35 pm

Schrodingers cat: So you are not atheists at all.

I think you misinterpret what “atheist” means.

poison pen

June 3rd, 2011
1:36 pm

think a case can be made for both explanations, but I prefer a third: Politicians represent the rest of us more accurately than we would like to admit.

Jay, I can’t speak for you but as for me, I have been faithfully married for 47 years and never cheated on my wife nor raised a hand to her.

Politicans don’t even come close to representing what I stand for and that goes for both sides. They are in it for the power & money, period.

Dave R.

June 3rd, 2011
1:36 pm

“Edwards personal life has been despicable. As noted however, there are plenty of others who continue his callous disregard….Not to mention names but one of them you can find a bus in NH that has her name on it.”

WTF ?!?!

Keep, you’re gonna have to explain that connection. :roll:

Paul

June 3rd, 2011
1:39 pm

While I generally don’t care too much about peoples’ personal lives, sometimes politicians cross a line.

Edwards may have come out of the same society we all inhabit, but I think when people vote for someone at that level, they may be looking for someone who isn’t just like everyone else.

If those kids of his haven’t been in counseling, they should be. Mom dead, dad dishonorable and heading to prison. It’s a lot for a young person to shoulder.

Adam

June 3rd, 2011
1:40 pm

poison: They are in it for the power & money, period.

And promote the same. I agree that people like this do not in any small way represent my own personal values either.

Yahtzee

June 3rd, 2011
1:41 pm

honestly i dont care about john edwards personal life…what i do care about is our devaluing dollar, rising unemployment numbers, rising national debt, 3 foreign wars, and unfunded entitlement programs…and the fact that the current administration has no solutions to any of these issues

Hillbilly D

June 3rd, 2011
1:41 pm

I would belong to the camp that thinks there are more who are not trustworthy than there are who are trustworthy. I don’t really trust many of them at all.

Up here in the Hills, we have a saying that goes back well before my time, “If they ain’t a crook when they go in office, they will be by the time they come out.” I’ve seen that proven time and time again on the local and state level and I doubt the federal level is any different, except there, the stakes are higher and the temptations greater.

Leave the moral justice to G-d? Maybe it’s just me, but I can see H-s hand in this…

Me, too. Although it doesn’t actually appear word for word in the BIble, I do believe the Lord works in mysterious ways; His wonders to perform.

Proverbs 16:18 (KJV), Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

stands for decibels

June 3rd, 2011
1:42 pm

John Edwards politics were horrible. He tried to vilify and DIVIDE people along socio-economic lines

as if it were Edwards doing the dividing… [just shaking my head here.]

Jay

June 3rd, 2011
1:43 pm

Poison, can you say the same of everyone in your circle of friends and family?

Most people can’t; if you can, good for you.

As for Pascal’s wager, I never really understood it. If you’re going to take a calculated, the-odds-are-better-this-way approach to matters of heart and faith, what’s really the point?

Schrodingers cat

June 3rd, 2011
1:44 pm

J Mama, actually Logical dude caught me in my all too general analogy ..atheism is a rejection in the belief of deities…but I still stand by “Atheism is a religion nonetheless”

poison pen

June 3rd, 2011
1:45 pm

Mary Elizabeth

June 3rd, 2011
12:36 pm
Moral justice is better left to God

Mary, I don’t have a problem morally condemming the scum bag in the least. Maybe you don’t have a problem with him fathering a child with his mistress while his wife had cancer and using honest money from his contributors, but I do.
You can also add Newt, Kennedy’s, Weiner and all the rest of them also.

Go preach the Bible to someone who really cares.

poison pen

June 3rd, 2011
1:45 pm

Jay, in all honesty, yes I can, we have a small circle of friends and to my knowledge they are the best.

josef nix

June 3rd, 2011
1:46 pm

Granddaddy’s rule of thumb, no offense meant, none taken…

JohnnyReb

June 3rd, 2011
1:46 pm

Jay, your blog has a political ad posted to the right side of the screen telling Deal to get busy with loser pays tort reform. Sounds good to me, but don’t you think the party responsible for the ad should be identified?

Brosephus

June 3rd, 2011
1:48 pm

HD

Sounds like my kinda place! I might need to move up into the hills. ;)

Union

June 3rd, 2011
1:48 pm

“Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.”

sad.. but so true..