Words of wisdom from Allen West on gays in the military

In an appearance today at the Heritage Foundation, U.S. Rep. Allen West, a conservative Republican freshman from Florida and a former Army officer, was asked about the impact of “social experimentation” on our military, an apparent reference to the abolition of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy.

West responded (see the 30-minute mark in the video below):

“Let me put it very simple, the United States’ military exists to win the nation’s wars. When you join the military, it takes individual behavior and conforms it the military. Now, if we start to have a perspective and belief in this nation that the military conforms to individual behavior, then we have lost the understanding of what it means to be in the United States military. The rules are very clear in the United States military. If you don’t want to abide by the rules of the United States military, then don’t join.

But the U.S. military is not there as a social experiment and for those who will sit up there and say, Congressman, you should understand because you’re black. Unless I’m Michael Jackson, I can’t change my color. But people can change behavior. And you do not base being a part of the military on adjusting to individual behavior. That’s my concern. And when you look at what our young men and women have to contend with, we’re talking about men and women fifth and sixth tours in combat zones. Now is not the time to appease a very small special interest group and I’ll leave it at that.”

I concur wholeheartedly with the congressman’s statement. If you don’t want to abide by the rules of the U.S. military, don’t join. The military should not conform to an individual’s behavior; the individual conforms to the military, and now is not the time to appease a very small special interest group. I agree with all of that.

So, if you are one of that ever-shrinking minority who believe that gay Americans don’t have a right to full participation as citizens, including the right to help defend this country, don’t join the United States military. If you do join the United States military, you better be ready to change your behavior to conform to military rules, which now outlaw discrimination against gay Americans.

Amen, Brother West.

334 comments Add your comment

jms

May 31st, 2011
3:48 pm

what about the debt ceiling vote?

AmVet

May 31st, 2011
3:52 pm

Oh Lordy, this is bound to get the natives riled up…

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
3:52 pm

BRUIN

Wheee-doggies…first Beverley Hall and now this…you trying to win my favor or what? :-)

Mr Right

May 31st, 2011
3:54 pm

Wow Jay, you wrote something positive about a conservative!! I’m impressed !

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
3:55 pm

I’ve read quite a bit about Mr. West. I do believe “words of wisdom” and “Allen West” do not belong in the same sentence.

I bet he thinks he’s a Christian too……

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
3:58 pm

While In The Army, West Performed Mock Execution On An Iraqi Detainee. As Slate reports, “Army investigators learned that West participated in the August 2003 forcible interrogation of an Iraqi police officer thought to be involved in a plot to assassinate him and other soldiers. In their report, the investigators found that West directed four enlisted soldiers and a female civilian interpreter to punch and kick the Iraqi detainee repeatedly in an attempt to get information. The investigation also found that West brandished his pistol during the interrogation and fired it near the detainee’s head in a mock execution to scare the detainee into talking…Fourth Infantry Division commanding Gen. Raymond Odierno initially brought criminal charges against West, but a pretrial hearing officer recommended that those charges be dismissed. Instead, Odierno gave West an administrative punishment and fined him half a month’s pay for two months, or about $5,000. In spring 2004, West retired from the Army.” [Slate, accessed 5/20/10]

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carlosgvv

May 31st, 2011
4:00 pm

Guess what Jay? The US Military really does exist to defend us and win our nation’s wars. And, if we lose a major war, we will be under the control of a foreign power or just be totally crushed. So, you see, the Military really isn’t the place to be doing somebody’s social experiments. Cutting off your nose to spite your face never was a good idea.

Jay

May 31st, 2011
4:02 pm

And Granny, none of the “information” acquired by then Col. West ever panned out.

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:02 pm

Social experiment? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Mr Right

May 31st, 2011
4:04 pm

I’ve read quite a bit about Mr. West. I do believe “words of wisdom” and “Allen West” do not belong in the same sentence.

Granny–To tell you truth Mr West nor anyone else gives a hootin nanny what you believe !

Jay

May 31st, 2011
4:04 pm

I agree, Carlos.

So if you’re someone who can’t abide serving with gay people, don’t enlist. We don’t need our military effectiveness compromised by people who refuse to change their behavior and conform to the rules.

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
4:05 pm

carlosgov

and do you think Harry Truman experimented socially too?

it’s no experiment some folks are black and some folks are women and some folks are gay…..

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
4:06 pm

Bosch

Beat me to it!

One thing I learned as a young sprout coming to my own terms with this gay stuff…them that puts up the most fuss are most generally hiding something and suffer disproportionately from GWIDLN.

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
4:07 pm

Mr Right

I bet all the boys down at the Water Buffalo Lodge just hang on your every word….

Kamchak

May 31st, 2011
4:07 pm

Granny–To tell you truth Mr West nor anyone else gives a hootin nanny what you believe !

Nor anyone else?

Who, exactly, granted you the authority to make such an all inclusive statement like that?

I certainly didn’t grant you the authority to speak for me, sport.

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
4:07 pm

There are going to be numerous unexplained booms around the metro area today. That will probably be the response after reading that post all the way through. Nice plot twist there Jay…

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
4:08 pm

GRANNY

And Harry belonged to the Sons of the Confederate Veterans (had to get that in there Imam!)

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:09 pm

josef,

Indeed. What’s the saying about those that profess too much? I think Scout needs to do some inner reflecting. ;)

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:11 pm

none of the “information” acquired by then Col. West ever panned out.

WAIT! But, but, but, isn’t that how we got bin Laden????? :roll:

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:13 pm

“Wow Jay, you wrote something positive about a conservative!! I’m impressed !”

Reading comprehension….some has it…..some don’ts.

Left wing management

May 31st, 2011
4:13 pm

Actually I think the military is the perfect place for ’social engineering’. It’s the perfect little laboratory.

Hey, speaking of which, didn’t the US Air Force conduct secret experiments in which they got subjets drugged up on LSD to observe behavior and see how close to madness they could be driven?

Maybe they could continue the tradition in the other branches and have wild ecstasy-fueled raves and see what that does to moral.

Stonethrower

May 31st, 2011
4:13 pm

Letters were written to the US Army leadership by politicians who were in full support of Congressman West and his actions referenced by Granny. As Mr. Right put it, Mr. West nor anyone else gives a hoot what you believe. People are still going to support him and his views.

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
4:13 pm

Damn that too fast thingie…

BOSCH

Is Scout here? I’m supposed to pick on him under orders from last p.m. :-)

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:13 pm

“There are going to be numerous unexplained booms around the metro area today.”

And around Villa Rica if I’m remembering correctly…..

:)

poison pen

May 31st, 2011
4:14 pm

Kamchak

May 31st, 2011
4:07 pm
Granny–To tell you truth Mr West nor anyone else gives a hootin nanny what you believe !

Nor anyone else?

Who, exactly, granted you the authority to make such an all inclusive statement like that?

I certainly didn’t grant you the authority to speak for me, sport.

Me either.

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
4:15 pm

This must be the slippery slope the right talks about…..first gays in the military and next thing you know we’ll have to let goats and donkeys enlist…..and then we’ll have to let them join up with the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast Guard all at the same time…

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:15 pm

josef,

It’s only a matter of time before Scout gets here — his inner gaydar will go off if there’s a thread where he can post how all the homosexuals are a perversion and doomed to roast for all eternity, or some kind of craziness like that.

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
4:15 pm

And around Villa Rica if I’m remembering correctly…..

Yep. Don’t know if you saw it, but there were some recently around Hampton, VA a few weeks back.

:)

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
4:16 pm

Bosch – ya’ know I love you too….

Kamchak

May 31st, 2011
4:17 pm

…nor anyone else…

Oy to the vey!

We have another with a Napoleon complex.

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:18 pm

“first gays in the military and next thing you know we’ll have to let goats and donkeys enlist…”

This is why I love Mrs. G. as I do….

:)

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
4:18 pm

poison pen

“All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful,
The Lord God made them all.”

poison pen

May 31st, 2011
4:20 pm

She sure do love animals. go granny go.

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
4:23 pm

Brosephus

Well, I guess I know where you stand…all y’all melanin enriched think alike, you know… :-)

jt

May 31st, 2011
4:25 pm

The “right” to defend this country?
.
There go the progs again…………pulling “rights” out of their nether regions.

RB from Gwinnett

May 31st, 2011
4:25 pm

I think we should do away with separate quarters for women and shower stalls too since according to you tools, the sexual orientation of individuals is no longer an issue in the military. If there is nothing wrong with a lesbian openly gawking at your daughter in the shower, there’s nothing wrong with every jarhead in the service being afforded the same view and opportunity. Equal for all, right?!!

I guess I should never expect people with no morals to understand….

Kamchak

May 31st, 2011
4:25 pm

She sure do love animals.

Well, so do I.

Grilled
Baked
Sauteed
Fried
Fricasséed

AmVet

May 31st, 2011
4:26 pm

Granny, if you look very closely, you’ll see two military officers in the bushes, with binoculars..

http://tinyurl.com/3pjdrwn

pogo

May 31st, 2011
4:27 pm

Do you or don’t you? Blah, Blah, Blah. The old “Gays in the Military” Fluff piece. Yea, there’s an important issue.

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:30 pm

I think we should do away with separate quarters for women and shower stalls too since according to you tools, the sexual orientation of individuals is no longer an issue in the military.

RB,

Gender is one thing….sexual orientation is another….

@@

May 31st, 2011
4:31 pm

So in other words….”STRAIGHTEN up and fly RIGHT.”

Sorry, couldn’t resist.

There are no individuals in the military, only team members.

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:31 pm

Mrs. G.,

And RB seems to have an unhealthy obsession with showers and lesbians.

Dave R.

May 31st, 2011
4:32 pm

I’m just shocked that Granny admitted to reading a book that didn’t require crayons to finish it . . . ;)

Seriously, I’m just glad that Jay didn’t get through the entire day without slamming a Republican.

Might have truly been the end of the world.

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
4:33 pm

And usually he that from his high horse talks condesendingly about morals to others has issues of his own…..

Yes, we know all about those folks and their family values….

carlosgvv

May 31st, 2011
4:34 pm

Jay, Bosch, Granny

So, in your book, political correctness tops national defense. That’s really scary.

AmVet

May 31st, 2011
4:34 pm

It strikes me that I’d rather be covered in honey and tied to an anthill for 45 minutes rather than watch the non-Batman talk in Republispeak to those pinheads at the Heritage Foundation.

I bet his theme song blows too…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jgE-lrfZ3k&feature=related

N-GA

May 31st, 2011
4:36 pm

Jay,

The next thing you know our servicemen & women will have to stop taking illegal drugs, stop eating so much that they become too fat to do their jobs, stop hating on their commanding officers, stop wearing scuffed footwear and unpressed uniforms…I mean isn’t it going to become too hard to be a soldier?

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
4:37 pm

Meh…bigots like West will always spout their drivel. Luckily we have people like Staff Sargent Eric Alva, first Marine seriously injured in the Iraq War to combat their inane twaddle. I have great faith in the men and women of our armed forces that they will be able to comport themselves like the majority of civil society does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Alva

#1 Foxy Lady

May 31st, 2011
4:38 pm

I agree with Jay and this Peter Allen fellow. If you don’t want to follow the rules in the military:

…. well, you know.

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
4:38 pm

Dave R

It would also the surprise you I read a lot of things for which I use a yellow highlighter…..

After 1/2 a century I still have good study habits.

Thanks Nuns.

kayaker 71

May 31st, 2011
4:38 pm

Guess I’ll have to wade in here and be the distaff voice. First of all, it’s not Mr. West, it’s LTC West who had a proud and distinguished career in the U.S. Army. He was a battalion commander in Iraq with the 4th Infantry Division when he interrogated an Iraqi police officer who had information about an upcoming attack on his area of responsibility. He fired his handgun, not at, but near the head of said suspect in an attempt to gain information, which was successful and prevented an upcoming attack that could have cost American lives.
Army General Ray Odinero, then convened an Article 32 hearing and threatened to court martial LTC West just 72 hrs prior to the date when he would qualify for retirement which would have stripped him of all retirement benefits. Fortunately, this was reviewed by higher ups and reversed.
At the hearing, LTC West said that he would “walk through hell with a gasoline can” if it would save one of his men. Granny, especially Granny and most of the rest of you liberal pukes wouldn’t understand that kind of devotion from a commander of troops if it hit you in the head. LTC West was and is an honorable man who thought more of those under him than for his own security or his future. Of course, I am a racist and don’t like black people so this opinion probably won’t be viewed with much credibility. Wish we had more commanders like this. We might have to send home a few less body bags.

Dave R.

May 31st, 2011
4:39 pm

“So, in your book, political correctness tops national defense. That’s really scary.”

Carlos, there is nothing that jeopardizes national defense with a repeal of DADT. Nothing.

Those that defend the principles under which this nation was founded do not get to pick and choose which ones they like or don’t like. And equality should be defended above ALL others.

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
4:39 pm

I find it strange though that people like West are concerned with such a non-event when a bigger threat to the military looms: Obesity.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/10/101018165430.htm

carlosgvv

May 31st, 2011
4:40 pm

jewcowboy

So, I guess the Commandant of The Marine Corps is also a bigot? What would we do without brilliant people like you to set us straight?

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:40 pm

carlos,

So in your book having homosexuals serve in the military is compromising national defense?

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
4:40 pm

carlosgvv

May 31st, 2011
4:34 pm
Jay, Bosch, Granny

So, in your book, political correctness tops national defense. That’s really scary.

I’m sure there’s plenty of room under your bed to hide….

you couls hide in the closet instead….but eventually even you would have to come out….

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
4:41 pm

josef

You know us, one monolithic hunk of chocolate that would make Hershey, PA envious. ;)

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:41 pm

“Of course, I am a racist and don’t like black people so this opinion probably won’t be viewed with much credibility.”

Glad we can agree kayaker.

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
4:42 pm

carlosgvv,

“What would we do without brilliant people like you to set us straight?”

Be lost in the woods I suppose.

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
4:43 pm

Kayaker 71

liberal pukes? is that manly soldier talk?

or just plain kayakeese?

Dave R.

May 31st, 2011
4:44 pm

“You know us, one monolithic hunk of chocolate that would make Hershey, PA envious.”

But don’t forget Brosephus, there be some white chocolate out here as well! ;)

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
4:44 pm

carlosgvv,

“So, I guess the Commandant of The Marine Corps is also a bigot? ”

Um…if he doesn’t recognize that the sexual orientation of people like Staff Sergent Alva has nothing to do with them being a brave and selfless soldiers, I suppose so.

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
4:47 pm

jewcowboy

Aw, that Alva feller is a Messican…send him back where he came from with Helen…

Speaking of which, the IDF seems to have “gotten over it” and their command may be lots of things, but liberal they ain’t…

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
4:48 pm

“Almost one in four applicants to the military are rejected for being overweight or obese — it’s the most common reason for medical disqualification,” Cawley said. “With an active war in Afghanistan and continuing operations in Iraq, it is well-known that the military is struggling to recruit and retain soldiers. Having a smaller pool of men and women who are fit enough to serve adds to the strain and creates even more problems for national defense.”

“Military spending on obesity is over $1 billion annually already,” Cawley said. “It’s more than the military spends on treating tobacco- and alcohol-related illness combined.”

But having a gay man or woman who can pass the fitness requirements is a problem, huh?

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:49 pm

“But having a gay man or woman who can pass the fitness requirements is a problem, huh?”

Apparently of epic national security proportions!! :roll:

Thulsa Doom

May 31st, 2011
4:50 pm

including the right to help defend this country, – JB

Aaaahhhh. yes. Does the rights revolution never cease with liberals? Is there anything that they don’t think someone has a right to? On top of the idea that everyone has a right to health care- paid for by other people’s tax dollars of course, we now have this.

Jay, Nobody has a right to serve in the military. The military decides if it wants you and it discriminates every day against people who are too short, too tall, too fat, too stupid, etc. to meet the military’s entrance requirements.

Personally I don’t care if we do or don’t have gays in the military. But don’t tell me they have some kind of inalienable right to serve. They do not.

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
4:52 pm

Bosch,

“Apparently of epic national security proportions!! ”

Or just unnaturally intrigued with gay men and women’s shower habits ;)

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
4:53 pm

Dave

How else can you make the swirl patterns. :)

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:56 pm

“But don’t tell me they have some kind of inalienable right to serve. They do not.”

They most certainly do if they meet the same requirements straight people do. And as Jay wrote, you don’t like that, don’t join.

kayaker 71

May 31st, 2011
4:58 pm

Oh, one more thing. Since West is a conservative Republican, why would Bookman put much stock in what he has to say? We all know that conservative Republicans, especially if they are black, have nothing to say of any import. They are just misguided, unfortunate souls who are obviously not paying attention. The opinions of people like this don’t deserve any credence, especially when they are trying to be good troop commanders. I guess when the mortars hit West’s command post, he can go out knowing that at least he was politically correct. That might serve to be of little solace to the families of those who died, however.

Joe Mama

May 31st, 2011
4:58 pm

Kayaker — “He was a battalion commander in Iraq with the 4th Infantry Division when he interrogated an Iraqi police officer who had information about an upcoming attack on his area of responsibility. He fired his handgun, not at, but near the head of said suspect in an attempt to gain information, which was successful and prevented an upcoming attack that could have cost American lives.”

I’ve looked closely into this, and there’s no evidence that the suspect had any such information at all. The suspect *did* provide information, but the information appears to have been worthless and was of no tactical or strategic value.

“Army General Ray Odinero, then convened an Article 32 hearing and threatened to court martial LTC West just 72 hrs prior to the date when he would qualify for retirement which would have stripped him of all retirement benefits. Fortunately, this was reviewed by higher ups and reversed.”

LTC West *did,* however, receive Article 15 nonjudicial punishment, so his punishment wasn’t exactly “reversed,” and West *admitted* that he’d done wrong. He was still punished (in fact, he paid a pretty stiff fine), but the punishment was of a character that permitted him to retire and receive retirement benefits. Note that it is rather unusual for a field-grade officer (Major or above) to receive Article 15 punishment. LTC West retired shortly after these matters were disposed of; his actions can fairly be looked at as career-ending.

“At the hearing, LTC West said that he would “walk through hell with a gasoline can” if it would save one of his men.”

As a disabled veteran myself, I like this, but LTC West did violate procedure and policy, and leaders have to set the example — and be held strictly accountable for failing to do so.

Here, have a look at the statements from the involved parties:

http://www.aclu.org/files/projects/foiasearch/pdf/DODDOACID000105.pdf

pogo

May 31st, 2011
4:59 pm

Flash mobs here, gang-bangers there. Seems to be an acceleration of the downward spiral of civility in this country, doesn’t there? If one needs proof, just like at the headlines in the AJC today and what happened in Chicago and Charlotte this last weekend. The seeds that the progressives planted many years ago in this country are now sprouting. A Revolution of the very ugliest kind is on our doorstep.

Of course, I could be wrong, but I don’t think so. Not when you have so many un-employed and so many that are now totally dependent upon a government who doesn’t have the money to fulfill the promises that they made to them in turn for their votes. The progressives big mistake was thinking in the 60’s that they would always have the revenue to just keep on spending. Well now they don’t and they are not going to.Don’t think for one minute that those that were promised everything won’t turn on their supposed benefactors. They will when they get desperate. Increased taxing won’t even touch the problem and we all know that new private sector job creation in this country is history for a variety of reasons including the EPA, Unions, Corporate Greed, Environmental Groups, etc, etc. There’s plenty of blame to go around but that doesn’t change the fact that everybody should be prepared for what is coming.

Adam

May 31st, 2011
4:59 pm

Thulsa: Does the rights revolution never cease with liberals?

Oh no! Not RIGHTS! We wouldn’t want anything like THAT to happen…. *goes through airport security*

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
4:59 pm

jewcowboy

The really funny thing to me is how many of those making these comments are trolls…look at them? Cover your eyes and run…!

AmVet

May 31st, 2011
5:00 pm

“Does the rights revolution never cease with liberals?”

Not this one.

Not since I first heard these words:

My brother need not be idealized, or enlarged in death beyond what he was in life; to be remembered simply as a good and decent man, who saw wrong and tried to right it, saw suffering and tried to heal it, saw war and tried to stop it. ~Robert Kennedy

pogo

May 31st, 2011
5:00 pm

And what about this?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/31/limousine-liberals-report-shows-government-limo-fleet-swelling/

This arrogant @$$ is telling us we “regular” people must economize meanwhile he increases the luxury level for his political pals in Washington

N-GA

May 31st, 2011
5:00 pm

Thulsa – There is no “right” to serve in the military. However, do you believe that all American citizens have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Do you believe all American citizens have the right to equal treatment under the law?

Just curious….

Jefferson

May 31st, 2011
5:01 pm

As long as they have been armies, there have be homosexuals in armies… nothing new.

Logical Dude

May 31st, 2011
5:01 pm

Guess what people. GAYS ARE ALREADY IN THE MILITARY!!!!

And gues what? They have NOT hindered the security of the nation! Wow!

So Guess what else? It’s not that the person is GAY. That’s perfectly fine, legal, and good to go. That has been the law since “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” became law. (There were gays serving previously, but those with jitters kept trying to keep them out.). So, the only issue is whether someone else KNOWS if the GAY person is there. Let me repeat that. THE ONLY ISSUE IS WHETHER SOMEONE ELSE [B] KNOWS [/B] IF THE [B] GAY [/B] PERSON IS THERE.

So if it’s not about whether someone is gay. The only “social experiment” would be to see how people react to serving with gays (who happen to let people know about it). If you sign up for the military, you better believe you’ll be serving with gays. If you have an issue with it, don’t serve in the military.
Let me repeat that. IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE SERVING WITH GAYS IN THE MILITARY, THEN DON’T SERVE IN THE MILITARY.

DUH.

Chief

May 31st, 2011
5:02 pm

“I guess when the mortars hit West’s command post, he can go out knowing that at least he was politically correct. That might serve to be of little solace to the families of those who died, however.”

So our troops would be safe from mortar fire as long as the command post has only straight soldiers….?

Logical Dude

May 31st, 2011
5:02 pm

Chie’f post showed up after mine, even though I JUST posted.
Chief

May 31st, 2011
5:02 pm

So I think the time-warp is still occuring.

Bill

May 31st, 2011
5:03 pm

That black Americans are now at the forefront in trying to deny fellow citizens civil equality is too, too much.

I love it.

So will history.

RB from Gwinnett

May 31st, 2011
5:04 pm

“Gender is one thing….sexual orientation is another….’

How so?

Logical Dude

May 31st, 2011
5:04 pm

and right after I posted my 5:02, josef’s 5:05 posted.
josef nix

May 31st, 2011
5:05 pm

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
5:05 pm

CHIEF

As my boy says…when I’m out doing IED disposal, first thing I wanna know from my back up is whether or not he’s got his eye on my ass or not… and if something goes wrong, don’t send no f*g medic, just let me bleed to death untouched by impure hands… :-)

Kamchak

May 31st, 2011
5:07 pm

So our troops would be safe from mortar fire as long as the command post has only straight soldiers….?

Yep.

Haven’t you heard?

There’s a new tactical defense system called the “Jesus Shield.”

Designed by Pat Robertson.

Hillbilly D

May 31st, 2011
5:08 pm

What is going on with the posts here lately?

Everybody, regardless of political affiliation, has been bitching about it for a week to ten days, to no avail.

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
5:09 pm

josef nix,

“Speaking of which, the IDF seems to have “gotten over it” and their command may be lots of things, but liberal they ain’t…”

What is going on with the posts here lately? Your post all of sudden just inserted itself like 5 minutes later. And evidently posting every 5 minutes is too fast. Perhaps I need a Royal typewriter instead…

But yes, the IDF has proven when there is a need inconsequential things like sexual orientation can be tossed aside. Kind of like in times of peace, discharges under DADT soared, and then in times of conflict they dropped significantly. I guess when you need boots on the ground, who someone kisses in their private time isn’t quite so important.

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
5:12 pm

pogo,

“he increases the luxury level for his political pals in Washington”

You do realize there is not a universal definition for “limousine” in the federal gov’t, don’t you? Is a Tahoe considered a limousine, or only when it is painted black?

In a statement, GSA spokeswoman Sara Merriam said, “The categories in the Fleet Report are overly broad, and the term ‘limousine’ is not defined,” adding that “vehicles represented as limousines can range from protective duty vehicles to sedans.” Asked whether the GSA actually knows how many limos it has in its fleet, Merriam responded that GSA “cannot say that its report accurately reflects the number of limousines.”

Dave R.

May 31st, 2011
5:13 pm

“I guess when you need boots on the ground, who someone kisses in their private time isn’t quite so important.”

Unless you’ve been kissing the commanding General’s trophy wife . . . :D

So I’ve heard . . . ;)

Joe Mama

May 31st, 2011
5:14 pm

Doom — “The military decides if it wants you and it discriminates every day against people who are too short, too tall, too fat, too stupid, etc. to meet the military’s entrance requirements.”

Height, weight and fitness all have a bearing on a prospective soldier/sailor/airman/Marine’s ability to perform his or her duties; sexuality does not. The toughest and most hard-core soldier I ever served with was a lady from upstate NY; it was common knowledge that she was gay, and no one in the unit cared. Having served with male and female soldiers, I don’t think it really matters what variety of genitalia you’re packing in your BDUs, and I don’t think it really matters what variety of genitalia you’re interested in having fun with off duty. If you can do the job, behave professionally and keep your wits about you in an emergency situation, I don’t really care what else about you.

In regards to fitness — I don’t know if the Navy does this, but the Army’s got a pre-boot-camp fitness regimen for initial entry soldiers who have trouble meeting either the body fat or PT standards; they’ll Jack LaLanne you for a few weeks until you’re good to go. I knew a couple guys in my platoon in boot camp who went through it, and they were highly motivated to succeed. They credited that fitness program for giving them a leg up in boot.

I personally wouldn’t have a problem with female soldiers serving in combat arms (infantry, artillery, armor), provided they were held to the same physical standards as their male counterparts (there are two sets of PT standards) and provided they *wanted* to do so. If a female troop wants to go infantry and she’s strong enough to sling my big wounded carcass over her shoulder and carry me to the aid station, then I say more power to her.

AT

May 31st, 2011
5:15 pm

I don’t understand your logic Jay. Sexual preference/orientation did not prevent anybody from serving in the military. Plenty of gay service men and women have served and served well. It is only now that they are asking and getting recognition for their sexual preference/orientation based on their individual needs/desires. How does getting this recognition now put everyone else, who do not think sexual preference is something to be considered in the military, on the other side of the fence, with no voice for opinion? Seems a bit circular to me…

RW-(the original)

May 31st, 2011
5:16 pm

Dang, I thought sure we’d have a Weinergate thread over here.

:-)

How is everyone?

/and where will posting roulette put this comment…

kayaker 71

May 31st, 2011
5:17 pm

Chief,

I haven’t said a word about who was manning the command post. The conversation was centered around West, not about gays. None of my posts today have broached the subject of gays in the military and will not.

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
5:18 pm

Oh and pogo,

You do realize that the procurement process for most of those “limousines” would have begun under President Bush in 2007 and 2008, right?

Thulsa Doom

May 31st, 2011
5:20 pm

Adam,

You can have all the “rights” you want- as long as they don’t infringe upon others liberty. For example I’m cool if you give yourself a right to health care- as long as you of course pay for it.

N-GA,

However, do you believe that all American citizens have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

Yep. And you can pursue all of those things without having to serve in the military.

Do you believe all American citizens have the right to equal treatment under the law?

You’re right. We have to treat them all equally. So now we should tell the marines to let all the obese people that want to join the corps go right ahead and join. Same with all the people that are too short or too tall or who couldn’t get in because of poor scholastics. We want to treat them all fairly too don’t we?

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
5:20 pm

JOE

Back when women in combat first came up, there was a little feller, a Marine I do believe he was, going on and on about the weaker sex. Not saying a word, one of my bull d*ke friends got up went across the room, picked him up, swung him around a few times and slammed his ass back in the chair, said nothing else and sat back down. Point made. One of the gay men in the group says, “and watch out. PMS hasn’t even set in…” :-)

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

May 31st, 2011
5:21 pm

Well, I got a strong opinion against gays in the military but now I know #1 Foxy Lady is around these parts I won’t say that opinion because she will probly tell me to . . . well, you know. Anyhow, I’d just as soon not know my buddy was gay. It might make for some awkward moments.

So I’ll just keep a quiet eye on this blog and see which one can make out of hisself the biggest south end of a horse going north.

Have a good night everybody.

Logical Dude

May 31st, 2011
5:21 pm

AT

See my 5:01 post:

The only “social experiment” would be to see how people react to serving with gays (who happen to let people know about it).

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

May 31st, 2011
5:22 pm

Jay, of course was not being complimentary toward Allen West and I think that U.S. Representative West the former LTC West will be a future topic on this blog quite often. His name gives the left cold shivers of fear.

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
5:22 pm

“We want to treat them all fairly too don’t we?”

Yes, because a 160lb 5′ 10″ honor student who is gay would have the same handicap on their job as a soldier in the same way a 400lb 5′ 2″ kid who flunked out of high school would…

Thulsa Doom

May 31st, 2011
5:22 pm

Joe Mama,

Personally I don’t care if we let gays serve. I just don’t like the idea on here that some folks seem to think people have a right to this or a right to that such as a right to serve in the military. For example I saw a quote the other day about a San Francisco councilman talking about their ordinance that McDonald’s can’t serve toys with their happy meals- something about enticing kids with poor nutrition food. The fool said something about children having a right to food justice. Its this kind of nonsense I can do without.

Dave R.

May 31st, 2011
5:24 pm

jewcowboy, I’m calling BS on the whole limousine thing.

First, the GSA doesn’t know how many “limousines” they have? Big government at it’s worst when it can’t count cars.

Second, they have no definition of “limousine”? Please.

Third, whether it’s armored, or not, black or not, there are obviously too many bureaucrats getting free rides off of the taxpayers at a time when austerity is needed.

And fourth, BUSH? You’re gonna blame this on BUSH? In 2011? Really?

Dave R.

May 31st, 2011
5:24 pm

“You’re right. We have to treat them all equally. So now we should tell the marines to let all the obese people that want to join the corps go right ahead and join. Same with all the people that are too short or too tall or who couldn’t get in because of poor scholastics. We want to treat them all fairly too don’t we?”

Ridiculous argument, Thulsa.

Obese people affect national security when the effectiveness of the fighting force cannot be maintained. Too short, same thing. Too tall? Not sure that’s an issue, except he or she would make a bigger target and special equipment might have to be developed for them. Poor scholastics? You bet. We need the smartest force we can muster when defending this nation.

Sexual orientation? Not even in the equation for issues.

Jack

May 31st, 2011
5:25 pm

Agreeing with West is way out of character for Bookman. He must have been under the influence of Jack Daniels or something.

AmVet

May 31st, 2011
5:27 pm

N-GA

May 31st, 2011
5:27 pm

Thulsa – I suspect you’ve never served. When I went thru basic training, what mattered was physical and mental toughness along with being able and willing to follow lawful orders. So if someone cannot do what is required, out they go. At the same time, some become infantry, others administrative specialists. BTW there were plenty of gays serving openly back when I was on active duty.

Kinda like women voting….it took time to get those rights that really should have been theirs at the start. Kinda like racial minorities…it took time to give them the same rights as everyone else. Kinda like laws against inter-racial marriage…it took time. In every case it was the powerful restricting the rights of the less powerful. Anyone who wants to discriminate against gays by preventing them from openly serving in the military is a poor example of an American.

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
5:27 pm

AT

I don’t really care much to hear about all about Bubba’s latest conquest on the het side myself, but that don’t stop him from telling us…now, if there’s a good story attached? Well, that’s another matter…and if he wants to bring her to a unit shindig, that’s another matter

Joe Mama

May 31st, 2011
5:28 pm

Josef — ROFL

The female troop I spoke of was another serious fitness monster. In the Army, you have to do as many pushups as you can in 2 minutes, as many situps as you can do in two minutes, and run 2 miles within a set time limit. You earn points, and 100 points per event is the maximum. When you perform each event, there’s a sergeant right there, ensuring that you perform the exercise properly, and most of them will count audibly so you know if you’re doing it right.

Little Miss Toughie got down to knock out the pushups, and when she thought she heard the sergeant count out a certain number, she stopped (still remaining in position to do more pushups) and asked him how many she’d done. He repeated the number, and she said “good, that’s what I thought,” and she got up, forfeiting her remaining time.

Because she had just earned the maximum 100 points for pushups. :D

She then did the same stunt with the situps. We were all pretty much in awe of her by then. I’ve NEVER seen anyone else do that.

I don’t recall how fast she did the 2 miles, but I think it’s safe to say that she probably kicked that event’s hiney, too.

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
5:29 pm

JAY

By the way…great post from the writing standpoint! Like that twist…and who says you can’t see “the other side” :-)

Good little liberal

May 31st, 2011
5:30 pm

I wonder if it is against the rules for gay soldiers to “do it” in the barracks.

Joe Mama

May 31st, 2011
5:31 pm

Doom — “Personally I don’t care if we let gays serve. I just don’t like the idea on here that some folks seem to think people have a right to this or a right to that such as a right to serve in the military.”

Okay, then let’s not couch it in terms of rights. Let’s instead consider it a matter of fitness to serve. Obviously, obese individuals would not be fit. Folks with certain chronic diseases wouldn’t be fit, either. The blind and deaf would also be right out, I would think. Also, I’d think that most mental disabilities (think mental retardation) would disqualify someone from serving. All these things have to do with whether a given person is fit to serve or not.

So do you think that gays and lesbians are fit to serve? If not, then why not?

Hillbilly D

May 31st, 2011
5:31 pm

Regardless of which party is in power, I’d like to see them use less expensive autos, fewer fancy fixin’s and the like. Just like the state dinners, etc., I think it’s all a colossal waste of money. (I don’t have a problem with the Presidential Limo, for security reasons). Of course, last time I said this, Jay said we like to look up to our leaders as being special but I don’t, so maybe I’m just a quare one. ;-)

Back during the Falklands War (c1982), I was watching the TV News and they showed the President of Argentina, being driven away from a meeting in a 1968 Ford Galaxy and he was being followed closely by the Secret Police, in a 1962 Ford Falcon (how the TV people knew they were the Secret Police, I don’t know). Our people could ride around in cars like that, don’t see where it be any different, except cheaper.

Of course, Argentina did lose the war but I don’t think the cars caused that.

AT

May 31st, 2011
5:31 pm

Logical Dude,

Yeah, I get that. But gays could serve before and there was no problem, the military’s stance was: “We don’t need to waste time over that, we aren’t about that anyway, we have other more important objectives to spend time on.” The only concern was a gay’s individual concern to be recognized as such.
Now it’s an issue that is going to require attention, resources and distracts from their primary mission of protecting and defending our nation. Gay people need special recognition now as gay people. So now there’s gay military people and non-gay military people whereas before, it was just military people.
Jay twisting Allen West’s words to mean something that Allen West didn’t intend just doesn’t follow… logically. :)

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

May 31st, 2011
5:32 pm

I was watching the TV News and they showed the President of Argentina, being driven away from a meeting in a 1968 Ford Galaxy and he was being followed closely by the Secret Police, in a 1962 Ford Falcon (how the TV people knew they were the Secret Police, I don’t know). Our people could ride around in cars like that, don’t see where it be any different, except cheaper.

Well, they can’t now because of this Socialist Cash for Clunkers program that took tons of old cars off of the roads and ruint them for use by pouring liquid glass into the engines. Not that I wouldn’t like to see Obama riding in a Ford Falcon with Ralph Nader waving a big sign that said Unsafe at Any Speed. We could go back to the limos after a godly Republican is elected President.

Left wing management

May 31st, 2011
5:33 pm

pogo, having Fox News get me riled up about Democrats riding around in limousines reminds me of the joke making the rounds in Wisconsin about the 3 men seated at a table, one each representing labor, middle class, and the wealthy, when a table of 10 cookies arrives. The rich guy grabs 9 of them and then says to the middle class guy: “see that guy there, he wants to cheat you out of your cookie”. It’s part of an agenda to distract attention from the real outrages being committed by the very people they – here Fox – represent.

Thulsa Doom

May 31st, 2011
5:34 pm

Dave R.,

I was being sarcastic about letting all the fat kids join because they have a “right” to do so. Gotcha!

Joe Mama

May 31st, 2011
5:34 pm

GLL — “I wonder if it is against the rules for gay soldiers to “do it” in the barracks.”

IIRC, nookie of any sort (and alcohol too) was forbidden in the barracks when I wore the green business suit. Not to say that it didn’t happen, though. Most kids who had a steady girlfriend/boyfriend (or a thirst for the sauce) would find an inexpensive hotel room off post for their weekend antics.

Dave R.

May 31st, 2011
5:36 pm

“Yes, let visiting dignitaries who are guests of the US gov’t get shot while riding in the back of a taxi from National Airport. I’m sure there will no repercussions following that.”

jewcowboy, visiting dignitaries are taken care of by their embassies, with very few using U.S. government resources.

And yes, I have dealt with government acquisitions, and even three years is stretching it, especially for cars.

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
5:36 pm

Dave R.,

“the GSA doesn’t know how many “limousines” they have? Big government at it’s worst when it can’t count cars.”
They don’t know how many limousines they have, because they do not seem categorize them in that terminology. Ask them how many luxury armored sedans they have, and you might get a different answer.

“Second, they have no definition of “limousine”? Please.”
Why should they? What is your definition of a limousine…is it the same as Carey Limousines in Atlanta or Tel Aviv Limousine in NYC?

“there are obviously too many bureaucrats getting free rides off of the taxpayers at a time when austerity is needed.”
Yes, let visiting dignitaries who are guests of the US gov’t get shot while riding in the back of a taxi from National Airport. I’m sure there will no repercussions following that.

“And fourth, BUSH? You’re gonna blame this on BUSH? In 2011? Really?”
Obviously you’ve never dealt with a bureaucratic requisitions have you? It’s not like they went down to Nalley and put it on their Amex.

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
5:36 pm

Hillbilly

That Ford thingie in Argentina…nope, they may well have rolled off the assembly line the day before! When Argentina nationalized their auto industry, the last designs they had rights to use where those models! Watch an Argentine film and count up the number of them you see!

Thulsa Doom

May 31st, 2011
5:37 pm

N-GA,

I am a veteran and did my boot in San Diego as well as my A school training. And as I’ve said already I don’t care if we do or don’t let gays serve- they’re serving already.

Good little liberal

May 31st, 2011
5:38 pm

Some guys play cards. Some guys write home.

What would be the problem if some guys wanted to play hide the gerbil.

kayaker 71

May 31st, 2011
5:39 pm

Congressman West will certainly be a future thread topic on this blog. He won the 22nd District in FL by a 54+% margin and was the first successful black candidate in this district since Josiah T. Walls in 1876 by beating the incumbent. He received over 2,000 emails in support of his action in Iraq from parents of deployed service personnel. The liberals are scared of people like this. They represent pragmatic, responsible thought and this district in FL obviously thought he was the best man for the job. But what would a racist like me know about a credible candidate?

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
5:40 pm

Dang, I thought sure we’d have a Weinergate thread over here.

:shock:

Hillbilly D

May 31st, 2011
5:40 pm

josef

I knew that. ;-) Didn’t want it to get in the way of my story, though. :lol:

Back in the late 80’s (before the new Bug’s came out), you could still buy new VW Beetle’s in Mexico. Usually when U S and European manufacturers were done with their equipment, they sold it to “developing countries”.

Logical Dude

May 31st, 2011
5:40 pm

AT says : “Gay people need special recognition now as gay people. So now there’s gay military people and non-gay military people whereas before, it was just military people”

I think you’re missing the point. There still will only be “military people”. The only change is “a military person who happens to be female” or “a military person who happens to be black” or “a military person who happens to be gay”.

All have previously been banned from serving. They are all legally able to serve now. Just one of the examples can serve, but can’t let people know about it and continue serving.

Believe me, in 10 years, they’ll just be considered “just military people” by the military and by 99% of those serving with them. It’s that 1% who have jitters knowing that there is a military person who happens to be gay. (and it may not be as high as 1%).

Dave R.

May 31st, 2011
5:41 pm

And once Weinergate is mentioned, I’m outta here . . .

AmVet

May 31st, 2011
5:42 pm

“Ralph Nader waving a big sign that said Unsafe at Any Speed.”

Now that’s funny.

And not to put too fine a point on it, the book was primarily about the “one-car accident”, the Chevrolet Corvair…

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
5:42 pm

AT,

“Gay people need special recognition now as gay people. ”

Uh no…gay people would like to be treated EQUAL under the law. No better, no worse. You know things like being able to marry the one you love, no being forced out of housing or a job because of who you love, being able to see your partner in the hospital without a phalanx of paperwork, or your child for that matter, being able to list your partner as your next of kin while serving in the military without being discharged…you things guaranteed in the Constitution.

You know this one: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

AmVet

May 31st, 2011
5:42 pm

I think it would be the perfect black Islamophobe ticket.

Cain/West 2012 – “Torture them here, so we don’t have to do it over there.”

saywhat?

May 31st, 2011
5:42 pm

I have said many times that anybody too scared to serve with gay military personel is unfit for military service.

Logical Dude

May 31st, 2011
5:42 pm

Good little liberal says: The whole purpose to get rid of that policy is so gay people could be openly gay in the military”

And why is that bad again? Is it because OTHER people are SCARED to serve with gays? Come ON.

Thulsa Doom

May 31st, 2011
5:43 pm

Joe Mama,

I think you may have read what Dave R. also read with me stating that we should be letting everyone serve. If so I was kidding about letting fat kids, people too short, too tall, etc to serve. As for gays if they meet the physical and mental requirements I quite frankly don’t care if they serve. I’m a fence sitter on this one.

Good little liberal

May 31st, 2011
5:43 pm

Logical Dude

” There still will only be “military people”.

No. That would be DADT. The whole purpose to get rid of that policy is so gay people could be openly gay in the military. That’s not exactly like the group that likes to skateboard on the weekend. it’s not exactly a hobby.

Joe Mama

May 31st, 2011
5:43 pm

Kayaker — “The liberals are scared of people like this.”

I’m not scared of Congressman West. Some of the people he surrounds himself with, though, seem pretty unbalanced. And I think one would be well-advised to watch their back around that crowd. One of his hangers-on (I forget if she had some position in his campaign) expressed a view that ‘if ballots don’t work, bullets will.’

IMO, that’s kind of scary. Don’t you think so?

“They represent pragmatic, responsible thought”

Which is why West received Article 15 punishment and pretty much *had* to retire from the Army, right?

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
5:43 pm

Dave R.,

You are good…you responded with my own words before I posted ;)

Joe Mama

May 31st, 2011
5:45 pm

stands — “Now, the non-serious one: It delights me to no end to see jagoffs like you melting down over stuff like this. ha ha ha ha. (and so forth.)”

OMG, hez gonna catch teh s00par-ghey in the shower!!!111!!NOPONIES!!111!!ELEVENTY!!!

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
5:46 pm

Hillbilly…

:-) I knew that about the Bug, too… question though, can you bring one into the US? Seems there’d be a market for the Bug considering the aficinados…

Good little liberal

May 31st, 2011
5:46 pm

stands for decibels

He’s not melting down. It’s a logical point. Unwanted stares are offensive. Unwanted touching is criminal, no matter the orientation.

Hillbilly D

May 31st, 2011
5:46 pm

And not to put too fine a point on it, the book was primarily about the “one-car accident”, the Chevrolet Corvair…

If you’ve got one now, it’s worth some money. A friend of mine’s Daddy had 15-20 of them, parked out in the pasture, and he did pretty well on them.

It says I’m posting too fast again, so I’ll take the hint and go for a while. :lol:

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2011
5:47 pm

I think we should do away with separate quarters for women and shower stalls too since according to you tools, the sexual orientation of individuals is no longer an issue in the military. If there is nothing wrong with a lesbian openly gawking at your daughter in the shower, there’s nothing wrong with every jarhead in the service being afforded the same view and opportunity. Equal for all, right?!!

Two reactions to this. First, the serious one: If the various service branches find that they could cope with such changes, I’d support such a measure. In fact, I think so much of our fighting men and women, I don’t think coed showers would be any big deal for them right now, if that’s what they were called upon to do.

Now, the non-serious one: It delights me to no end to see jagoffs like you melting down over stuff like this. ha ha ha ha. (and so forth.)

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
5:48 pm

Dave R.,

“I have dealt with government acquisitions, and even three years is stretching it, especially for cars.”

Ahh…but it wasn’t 3 years…iWatch News is saying they increased in the 1st 2 years of the Obama admin, which means they were most likely included in a budget in 2007 or 2008, then approved, and then went through the requisition process to be delivered in 2009 – 2010.

You can blame the Democrats in Congress for approving the budgets if you want, but you really can’t blame them on the Obama admin.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

May 31st, 2011
5:48 pm

Kayaker, West is a black conservative, so the lib’s will malign him in anything he says or does. As for his military career any NCO or commissioned officer who wouldn’t do everything or anything to protect their troops lives aren’t worthy of wearing the uniform. Anyone whose really been there knows that to be true.West proved himself worthy.

Good little liberal

May 31st, 2011
5:49 pm

josef nix

That’s the difference in that good old “whatever you do in your own privacy thing. The military is not about privacy. So should men be able to “do it” in the barracks? If a man is a gawker in the shower, should other men have the right to complain?

Hillbilly D

May 31st, 2011
5:49 pm

Josef

(I’ll stay long enough to answer your question). You can bring them in but there is some paper work involved. I’m not sure what would be involved with meeting emission standards. When I was working in high end cars, people used to do it with European Mercedes, etc. Sometimes they are hard to get parts for because some of the parts aren’t applicable to U. S models. They’re called “gray-market” cars.

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2011
5:49 pm

If you’ve got one now, it’s worth some money.

One of the first cars I ever test-drove was a late-60s Corvair.

(It was slow. But I was sorely tempted. and yeah, if I’da kept her… hey wait a second, if I’d kept the car I actually bought instead, it’d be worth a pretty penny too.)

RW-(the original)

May 31st, 2011
5:50 pm

Weinergate could be problematic for Jay B if ol’ Anthony ends up resigning over his Twitter habits….allegedly …. since he’s already set the precedent of posting the offending pictures during the special election.

/and I so wanted to put an r in place of that l in the last word. :-)

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
5:50 pm

GLL

So the next time Unmentionable wants to get frisky and I don’t I should tell him to go skateboading. I’ll have to try that… :-)

Logical Dude

May 31st, 2011
5:50 pm

Good little liberal says: The whole purpose to get rid of that policy is so gay people could be openly gay in the military”

And why is that bad again? Is it because OTHER people are SCARED to serve with gays? Come ON.

Let’s post this again so GLL can see the post AFTER their own post instead of BEFORE IT.

It feels like I’m watching “Primer” again.
If you have not seen “Primer” go watch it. You may need to watch it four or five times to catch the full timeline.

Ayn Rant

May 31st, 2011
5:51 pm

Great article, Jay! Holding a bigot to his avowed principles instead of his subliminal prejudices is fair play.

“Conservative Congressmen” are deniers, no-sayers, and obstructionists. They swear an oath to the Constitution, but don’t even understand the opening paragraph; “tranquility”, “liberty” and “general welfare” are concepts they cannot grasp. They dislike change, and are unaware that the world around them, including the air they breathe, is continually changing. “Conservatives” are fossils in the making.

Don't Forget

May 31st, 2011
5:52 pm

Dave R,
Did you read the bs piece that pogo posted?
It says:

“The “Limousine Liberals?” report from iWatch News, part of the nonprofit Center for Public Integrity, showed that government data pegged the number of limos in the federal fleet at 412 in fiscal 2010, up from 238 in fiscal 2008.

Some of the details are a bit hazy. Most of the new limos were obtained in fiscal 2009, which covered the very end of George W. Bush’s term and the first eight months of Obama’s — so the Bush administration could have initiated some of the purchases.”

So, the period in question covers 8 months of Obama and 16 months of Bush and yet the article is about “limosine liberals”.

You guys don’t even read your own propaganda, you just take the title and run with it.

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2011
5:53 pm

Seems there’d be a market for the Bug considering the aficinados…

j-nix, I heard something interesting about car-nostalgia awhile back. Seems the Euros aren’t nostalgic for the Beetle; they get misty-eyed, instead, for the 2CV.

(pretty much peas-in-a-pod when it comes to driveability nowadays, if you ask me…but then again, I can only imagine driving a 2CV, whereas I have driven a Bug…blechhh.)

robert

May 31st, 2011
5:53 pm

Sorry Granny- you and your cute little zingers don’t dent Rep. West. Quality individual.

kayaker 71

May 31st, 2011
5:54 pm

Joe Mama,

West received Article 15 punishment because of those in command didn’t agree with his method of interrogation. Some agree with it, some don’t. Stan McChrystal, one of the best Special Ops commanders in history, was relieved for criticizing his commanding officer. I cannot disagree with the McChrystal affair…. if he didn’t like Bozo, he should not have been so public with his comments and permitted his men to voice their opinions. West, however, can be criticized for a lot of things but concern for those he commanded is not one of them. Commanders, in the heat of the moment, make decisions that they think at the time, are the right thing. If not, they pay the price. But a few people in FL seemed to like what this man has to offer and I also like what he has to say. I don’t care what ethnic group he belongs to. It doesn’t matter. But this man has a political future in this country. First Republican since 1992 to join the Congressional Black Caucus. Wonder how that will go.

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2011
5:55 pm

First of all, it’s not Mr. West, it’s LTC West who had a proud and distinguished career in the U.S. Army.

Hey, K-71, does this mean henceforth you’ll be referring to Jeremiah Wright as “PFC Wright, 2nd Marine Division”?

Good little liberal

May 31st, 2011
5:55 pm

Logical Dude

Man up and lets talk. Third party is gossip is for middle school. Apparently, you don’t seem to want to address obvious questions. What’s wrong? Homophobic?

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
5:56 pm

Hillbilly

That too rapidly thingie is wearing me to a low thin gravey, too…and thanks for that info on the cars…that would explain it…

******

What IS it with some breeders, mostly always males, and showers? I just don’t get it…

RW-(the original)

May 31st, 2011
5:57 pm

josef,

Maybe it’s because I don’t post all that much, but when I do I seem to post as often as many that are complaining about the “too fast” message. I haven’t gotten it once posting from Chrome so it could be a browser compatibility thing if you’re using a different one.

midtownguy

May 31st, 2011
5:57 pm

Look at any research on attitudes toward any gay rights issue from DADT to marriage equality and it breaks most sharply along age group lines. To the under 30 crowd sexual orientation is a non-issue. So the conservatives can stomp and huff and puff and preach all they want, they have lost this one.

It’s just a matter of time.

Good little liberal

May 31st, 2011
5:57 pm

josef nix

I answered you, but went away. Maybe it will be back.

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
5:59 pm

dB: Hey, K-71, does this mean henceforth you’ll be referring to Jeremiah Wright as “PFC Wright, 2nd Marine Division”?

You know it’s different for people who are non-conservatives aka “libruls”. “Libruls” are not capable of showing patrotism and serving their country. :roll:

Logical Dude

May 31st, 2011
5:59 pm

Good Little Liberal,
Apparently, you don’t seem to want to address obvious questions.

Tell me the “obvious” questions. Those have been hashed out over and over, and any “behaviour” that falls in the military code of ethics (justice?) is already defined.

The issue Jay presents is that only those who are against gays serving in the military are coming from the standpoint of “social experiments”. The only “social experiment” is seeing how those against gays react to serving with gays in the military (who happen to let people know that they are gay).

Tell me what “obvious’ questions you think are being missed here.

I wager that when gays are allowed to serve openly, the main result will a great huge gasp of uneventfulness as most of those in the military are professional and will abide by the rules quite well.

Good little liberal

May 31st, 2011
6:00 pm

Josef Nix

IS “breeders a term of endearment or some sort of heterophobic insult.

Don't Forget

May 31st, 2011
6:01 pm

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
5:56 pm

What IS it with some breeders, mostly always males, and showers? I just don’t get it…

I don’t know but the whole “soap on a rope” industry is based on it. lol

Joe Mama

May 31st, 2011
6:01 pm

josef — “What IS it with some breeders, mostly always males, and showers? I just don’t get it…”

I suspect that they’re afeard of someone they don’t want to have sex with looking at them in a sexual way. And when it happens to them all nekkid in the shower, well . . . that’s just scary to them. Gives them the vapors and makes them clutch their pearls. YOU know what I’m talking about.

Of course, the fact that women have been putting up with being leered at and ogled since there were women at all probably never enters their minds.

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2011
6:02 pm

I just don’t get it…

j-nix, if you really don’t get it, I will be happy to speak on behalf of all the boring heteros here.

There’s a lotta anxiety attached to group showering in the hetero-American community. Every moment spent wondering if you “measure up” is about 3/4 counter-balanced by wonderment over the notion of coed showering.

Hence the duality.

(also, what RW said.)

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
6:02 pm

GLL

Was that answer that got at 5:49?

And breeders…just one of “our” names for “y’all” so you’ll know your place! :-)

Good little liberal

May 31st, 2011
6:02 pm

Joe Mama

Why don’t you walk around in public, naked?

@@

May 31st, 2011
6:03 pm

DAMN!

Everybody, regardless of political affiliation, has been bitching about it for a week to ten days, to no avail.

Hillbilly’s “quare” AND pithed.

Will we ever find out if someone is jerking Weiner around? Will it be an ongoing battle of “the bulge”?

If he’s been hacked, he should’ve made contact with law enforcement, not his lawyer.

RW-(the original)

May 31st, 2011
6:04 pm

What IS it with some breeders, mostly always males, and showers?

I blame Porky’s.

AmVet

May 31st, 2011
6:04 pm

Lots of people love b*tching about cars. And often for good reasons.

But let me tell you friends, whilst stationed in England I had a buddy who made the most hair-brained decision I have ever heard of. He bought an old Czech Skoda.

It ran even worse than it looked. And I almost three up the first time I saw it…

(It looked something like this one.)

http://www.roadsidepapergirls.com/images/e/K09939.jpg

Good little liberal

May 31st, 2011
6:05 pm

Josef Nix

We got a lot of names for you guys and we still use them whenever we want.

It’s fun.

midtownguy

May 31st, 2011
6:06 pm

“Breeders” is a derogatory term used to describe unattractive heterosexual persons. Let me use it in a sentence for you:

God, those fat middle- aged BREEDERS need to keep their shirts on when they are in OUR park (Piedmont)! That clear it up?

Good little liberal

May 31st, 2011
6:06 pm

AmVet

The girl or the car?

Joe Mama

May 31st, 2011
6:07 pm

kayaker — “Stan McChrystal, one of the best Special Ops commanders in history, was relieved for criticizing his commanding officer.”

With all due respect for you and General McChrystal, he was also deeply involved in the Pat Tillman debacle, and I’ll leave it at that.

“West, however, can be criticized for a lot of things but concern for those he commanded is not one of them.”

I certainly haven’t criticized him for it; I clearly said that, as a disabled veteran, I like that.

“Commanders, in the heat of the moment, make decisions that they think at the time, are the right thing. If not, they pay the price.”

As I pointed out, LTC West did pay that price. It sucks, but that’s how it is.

“I don’t care what ethnic group he belongs to. It doesn’t matter.”

I agree. Whatever differences of opinion I may have with Congressman West, his ethnicity doesn’t enter into it.

“But this man has a political future in this country. First Republican since 1992 to join the Congressional Black Caucus. Wonder how that will go.”

I start with a lot of respect for West’s military background and record, but I’d like him a lot better if he was more moderate and if he surrounded himself with people who were less shrill and hateful.

Moderate Line

May 31st, 2011
6:07 pm

Case-Shiller home-price index hits new low
The index pushed below its previous bottom hit in April 2009, confirming a much-feared double-dip in home prices.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2011/05/case-shiller-index-shows-home-prices-slide-into-double-dip.html

RW-(the original)

May 31st, 2011
6:09 pm

(also, what RW said.)

That’s no longer a safe statement around these parts. Much better to add or will say soon

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2011
6:09 pm

“Breeders” is a derogatory term used to describe unattractive heterosexual persons.

midtownguy, I’ve been hearing this insult for many years as well, but I never took it to mean exclusively “unattractive,” but rather, “annoying”.

And Good Little Troll-handle, do NOT tell me that this is the first time you’ve seen it in print or uttered. Even you aren’t quite that thick.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 31st, 2011
6:09 pm

Jay:

You forgot the Navy is pushing hard for some female SEALs.

The problem is, they don’t know how to lower the standards or look the other way to get one.

Good little liberal

May 31st, 2011
6:10 pm

Joe Mama

“if he surrounded himself with people who were less shrill and hateful.”

Well there goes his chances to join the Congressional Black Caucus.

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
6:10 pm

Don’t Forget and Joe Mama…

I knew I was going to be sorry I asked!

“Of course, the fact that women have been putting up with being leered at and ogled since there were women at all probably never enters their minds.”

But…but..thass normal…

A little sidelight on that one…Unmentionable favorite passtime with the women he works with is to “set up” one of those men. He’s not somebody you’d “suspect” and he waits until the fellow is comfortable and treating him like “one of the guys.” Then he’ll say something “suggestive” in guy talk and when the fellow starts getting bent out of shape, the women folk will take to laughing and saying “now you know what it feels like, doncha?” Do they make the connection? Most times not… :-)

Misty Fyed

May 31st, 2011
6:11 pm

hahahahaha….Just what we need…an all Gay/liberal military. Maybe than can go march in Afghanistan or organize a sit-in. …

Good little liberal

May 31st, 2011
6:12 pm

stands for decibels

NAh, I’ve heard bigots use it for years.

Bud Wiser

May 31st, 2011
6:13 pm

Granny Godzilla
May 31st, 2011
3:55 pm

I’ve read quite a bit about Mr. West. I do believe “words of wisdom” and “Allen West” do not belong in the same sentence….

Where from, Mediaatters, Huffington Pus, or KKK today?

Your intellectual vacancy sign is blinking again…here, I’ll toss you another bale of hay and a bucket of Kool Aid, that should help.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 31st, 2011
6:13 pm

“UPDATE: MIAMI ‘WAR ZONE’ DURING URBAN WEEKEND…
‘I was scared for my life’…
Poet ‘Da Real One’ Gunned Down In Front Of Miami Poetry Cafe…
Violent crime explodes in Myrtle during Black Bike Week; 8-hour hell…
Rib Fest At Rochester beach turns rowdy…
Riot On Long Island…
Urban Melee In Charlotte…
Chaos causes DNC concern for convention…
Unruly urban crowd shuts down Nashville water park…
Emanuel shuts down packed Chicago beach; ‘heat-related illnesses’…
REPORT: ‘Dozens of gang bangers’… ”

Posted as is from the DRUDGE REPORT.

Speaks for itself ………………………

P.S.

If Obama was having such a problem picking a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, why didn’t he just ask Ophra?

@@

May 31st, 2011
6:15 pm

Obama’s job approval among the military is even worse than among civilians

2012? All ballots must be counted…ESPECIALLY the military’s.

AmVet

May 31st, 2011
6:15 pm

LOL. GLL.

Fortunately the blokes were very considerate to us yanks.

Every Saturday night they’d bring in bunches of birds to the NCO club.

When I first got there, the First Shirt explained (at the new meat orientation) that there would be a bunch of pretty girls around and to be smart. Some of them were nice and some were shall we say, a bit more manipulative.

I was only 20 at the time and right then and there I promised myself I was going home the same way I went there – single!

Oh and I got bad news for ya…

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/05/republican-allen-west-joins-congressional-black-caucus/

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
6:16 pm

RW

“Much better to add or will say soon”

Get the verb tenses right…future perfect…will have said soon… :-)

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 31st, 2011
6:20 pm

Remember:

Col. West got “cashiered” from the Army for being politically incorrect. Something about cranking off a .45 (wake up !) next to a terrorists head to get the location of a roadside bomb ………. thereby saving the lives of serveral of his men.

Oh, the horror !

P.S. Forgot this yesterday:

“A veteran is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to ‘The United States of America ’ for any amount, up to and including their life.”

getalife

May 31st, 2011
6:20 pm

con preachers that speak out against the gays turn out to be gay.

This guy will probably get caught in a gay bar.

Good little liberal

May 31st, 2011
6:20 pm

AmVet

Seems birds in the isles are either that subtle, hotness or rather unfortunate. And then there’s Kate.

It’s not bad news. Maybe he’ll talk some sense into them. Give them Herman Cain’s book. Great read.

RW-(the original)

May 31st, 2011
6:20 pm

Get the verb tenses right…future perfect…will have said soon

Aren’t you s’posed to be on vacation there, teach? :-)

RW-(the original)

May 31st, 2011
6:22 pm

Not to mention the bat signal you just sent up for OREP

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
6:25 pm

Not to mention the bat signal you just sent up for OREP

THAT was the bat signal going up. You said the name…..

kayaker 71

May 31st, 2011
6:26 pm

Joe Mama,

Transitions from being a commander of troops in a combat zone to being a member of Congress must be quite a trip. Also for his family, this must be quite a transition. I see that he wears his combat jump wings on his coat lapel and he still speaks like a troop commander. I am sure that he will see that those who you surround yourself with are a reflection of who you are. We are who we are, despite the expectations of others. I just hope that will succeed.

RW-(the original)

May 31st, 2011
6:27 pm

Brosephus,

My bad :-)

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 31st, 2011
6:28 pm

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
6:29 pm

RW

haven’t heard from OREP in a while…hope he’s okay…

I’m supposed to be on vacation, but I’ve still gotta go in (didn’t have to today and the Bruin gave me two fun topics. He’s my friend today!)

And all this stuff about PDA…maybe I’m just a stick in the mud, but I was taught that it’s just plain vulgar and trashy. It’s like all those breeders you see slopping all over each other in public…THAT’s some equality we gay folks can do without…

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 31st, 2011
6:35 pm

BADA BING:

“Never squat while wearing your spurs !” Will Rogers

“I come from a rough neighborhood. It was so rough, I reached into some wet cement and found another hand!” Rodney Dangerfield

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
6:38 pm

Question for all y’all Drudgers here today. If the violence bothers, saddens, or worries you so much, what are you doing to mitigate it?

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
6:39 pm

RW

Just don’t say it three times in the mirror while doing a one-armed handstand. :)

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
6:39 pm

RW

Nevermind! :-)

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 31st, 2011
6:40 pm

Brosephus:

Just waiting for one of them to break into my house ………………. “one round, willy peter, will adjust, over” !

RW-(the original)

May 31st, 2011
6:40 pm

I remember when everybody was fooling around with their PDA’s in public. Now I think a Personal Digital Assistant is some kind of online erotica….or perhaps an IPhone app.

Jay

May 31st, 2011
6:41 pm

Drudge sure knows his market, doesn’t he?

RW-(the original)

May 31st, 2011
6:42 pm

Just don’t say it three times in the mirror while doing a one-armed handstand

The only thing I’m saying while doing that is ………. HELP

Doggone/GA

May 31st, 2011
6:43 pm

“And this didn’t apply to homosexuals when DADT was in place because”

Because they joined anyway and took the risk they’d be outed and thrown out. Who’s going to throw out the squeamish heteros?

Ivan

May 31st, 2011
6:43 pm

“So if you’re someone who can’t abide serving with gay people, don’t enlist. We don’t need our military effectiveness compromised by people who refuse to change their behavior and conform to the rules.”

And this didn’t apply to homosexuals when DADT was in place because……

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
6:45 pm

Okay…we gotta play nice…Daddy’s home… :-)

Ivan

May 31st, 2011
6:45 pm

“We don’t need our military effectiveness compromised by people who refuse to change their behavior and conform to the rules.”

And this “tough talk” doesn’t apply to illegal immigration laws already in place because…..

Don't Forget

May 31st, 2011
6:46 pm

Jay

May 31st, 2011
6:41 pm

Drudge sure knows his market, doesn’t he?

Yup, and all he has to do is print a headline. His followers don’t want the truth they want ammunition.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 31st, 2011
6:48 pm

Jay:

Yep, let’s send them all down to South Georgia to pick fruit !

By the way …….. since we are on this subject:

“Arizona is losing to the proposed boycott.”

“Illegal immigrants are boycotting Arizona by the thousands, showing their outrage with Arizona ’s controversial new SB-1070 law by moving elsewhere.

In the small town of Guadalupe , AZ, south of Phoenix , Manuel Renaldo is one of those who is punishing Arizona by leaving. As he loaded his stolen car with his stolen belongings and family of ten, Renaldo told this reporter through an interpreter “It’s a matter of principle; I refuse to be supported by a state that treats me like a criminal!”

The effects of the exodus are being felt by Arizona retailers, who are reporting dwindling sales of beer, low grade wine such as Boone’s Farm Strawberry Hill, etc., spray paint, and ammunition. Also hit hard are the state’s hospitals, which have reported a dramatic decline in births and emergency room visits. Tattoo parlors are in a state of panic.

Renaldo told a reporter through an interpreter “He and his family are moving to California , which is a state that will support him and his family with dignity!”

Hummmmm ………………………………

AmVet

May 31st, 2011
6:48 pm

After several ahem…false alarms, I think I’ve figured out when the real rapture is at hand.

The day that Scout starts indicting white crimes, heterosexual crimes and/or Christian crimes, it’s time to get right with your maker, cuz the end is nigh!

Paulo977

May 31st, 2011
6:50 pm

jay
“you better be ready to change your behavior to conform to military rules, which now outlaw discrimination against gay Americans.”… Well interpreted..Amen

Ivan

May 31st, 2011
6:52 pm

I’m liking this new viewpoint you have, Jay. It’s very “Love it or Leave it.” themed. How Tea-Partyesque of you. =)

Doggone/GA

May 31st, 2011
6:53 pm

“And this “tough talk” doesn’t apply to illegal immigration laws already in place because”

Feel better after that stretch?

midtownguy

May 31st, 2011
6:56 pm

My partner is a former Marine (he says there is no such thing as a former Marine. Once a Marine always a Marine). His service was pre-DADT as we are in our mid-fifties. For many years I was his “best friend and roommate.” We never went out to dinner together unless we took two female friends with us (usually lesbians which made it even more strange). You do what you have to do given your time and place in this world.

I look forward to seeing other men and women like him able to serve openly.

Don't Forget

May 31st, 2011
6:57 pm

Scout,
Doesn’t it seem strange that so many are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals, but not our troops?

Wouldn’t it be great if we took the $360,000,000,000 (that’s billion) we spend on illegals every year, and spend it on our troops ?”

Cmon Scout, you know that’s all bs.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 31st, 2011
6:57 pm

and …………………………. MINORITY IMMIGRANTS:

“We need to show more sympathy for these people:

* They travel miles in the heat.
* They risk their lives crossing a border.
* They don’t get paid enough wages.
* They do jobs that others won’t do or are afraid to do.
* They live in crowded conditions among a people who speak a different language.
* They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day – every day.

I’m not talking about illegal Mexicans …

I’m talking about our troops!

Doesn’t it seem strange that so many are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals, but not our troops?

Wouldn’t it be great if we took the $360,000,000,000 (that’s billion) we spend on illegals every year, and spend it on our troops ?”

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
6:59 pm

ZamVet

“I think I’ve figured out when the real rapture is at hand.”

Right after you quit taking gratuitous swipes at Deep Southerners and I quit doing the same with Yankee immigrants? :-)

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2011
7:01 pm

Posted as is from the DRUDGE REPORT.

Speaks for itself ………………………

Scout, you do know that Matty Drudge is gay as f–k, yes?

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Just wondering if you realize this, when you slavishly hit F5 to see if there are any new sigh-reen headlines you absotively must post here at the Com-lib site?

John McKinnon

May 31st, 2011
7:01 pm

Thank you for this story on Mr. West’s opinion. LGBT soldiers, airman, sailors and marines celebrate their freedom of expression on http://OutMilitary.com – the newly launched gay military social network. Silenced until now, Out Military is providing a supportive environment for friending, sharing and networking between gay active military, vets and supporters.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 31st, 2011
7:02 pm

AmVet @ 6:23

I wish I could but unfortunately a grand jury has to hand down indictments.

Don't Forget

May 31st, 2011
7:02 pm

Wow! I time traveled, lol. Wonder if it’s cause i’m in central time zone tonight.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 31st, 2011
7:04 pm

Don’t Forget:

The only thing I want to know is how you responded to my post above before I sent it …………………………………….. :o

What’s that Jay up to ??

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 31st, 2011
7:05 pm

When do we get to start handing these out again ????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Service_Medal

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
7:06 pm

midtown

A gay Marine? Nyanh you’ve got to be mistaken…nev-uh! You just made that up or he’s been lying to you all these years… :-)

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2011
7:06 pm

a good linkee next time someone sez that CNN is a “librul” news network:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201105310021

Proving once again that there’s no standard by which many mainstream media outlets are willing to hold sloppy propagandist Andrew Breitbart, CNN this afternoon invited the discredited blogger on the air to discuss the Rep. Anthony Weiner (NY- D) Twitter story.

Conveniently setting aside the fact that virtually every attack campaign that Breitbart has launched in recent years has collapsed under the weight of modest scrutiny, CNN presented the fatuous blogger as some sort of expert who could walk people through the Weiner story, which he’s been hyping for days. (The whole right-wing blogosphere launched itself into a creepy tizzy over the holiday weekend regarding the story.)

The invite was odd because last summer CNN’s Anderson Cooper helped debunk Breitbart’s shoddy Shirley Sherrod attack and announced the clips of Sherrod that Breitbart posted online “were clearly edited to deceive and slander Miss Sherrod.” Cooper added that Breitbart’s behavior was “a classic example of what is wrong with our national discourse.”

Don't Forget

May 31st, 2011
7:07 pm

1811/1801 – 0311/0317

May 31st, 2011
7:04 pm

Don’t Forget:

The only thing I want to know is how you responded to my post above before I sent it ……………………………………..
Apparently the server was having as much trouble swallowing that post as I was.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 31st, 2011
7:07 pm

Off to chow !!!

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 31st, 2011
7:08 pm

Don’t Forget:

LOL ! You got me …………… now I am really off to chow .

[...] In an appearance today at the Heritage Foundation, U.S. Rep. Allen West, a conservative Republican f… Written by admin in: Michael Joseph Jackson News | [...]

midtownguy

May 31st, 2011
7:09 pm

josef: And I had ‘the rapture’ twice last night. The ‘old boy still has it!

jconservative

May 31st, 2011
7:10 pm

And if you are not gay but straight, that means you conform and do not get another soldier, sailor etc pregnant.

If you do not know several hundred soldiers, sailors and airmen get a general discharge each year for just this offense.

If you can’t keep it in your pants, don’t join up.

The problem has never been gay or straight but obeying orders.

BADA BING

May 31st, 2011
7:10 pm

?txen s’tahW .pmats emit eht htiw melborp a llits s’ereht, yaJ

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
7:11 pm

midtown
Braggart! But what the hell, why not! :-)

BADA

Now, just how long did THAT take? Good one…

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2011
7:12 pm

I had ‘the rapture’ twice last night.

t. m. i.

Don't Forget

May 31st, 2011
7:13 pm

jconservative

The problem has never been gay or straight but obeying orders.

exactly

Don't Forget

May 31st, 2011
7:17 pm

Chow sounds good. Probably back later.

CNN poll shows Obama approval rating at 54%.

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
7:18 pm

SFD

TMI? Aw, why’s that…?

BADA BING

May 31st, 2011
7:18 pm

josef, one of the few times my dyslexia comes in handy.

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
7:20 pm

BADA

And there I was, figuring you were a closet Hebe!

midtownguy

May 31st, 2011
7:21 pm

SFD: I meant that he led us in prayer twice and the holy spirit revealed himself to us just like he did to the homophobic bigot Bernice King. What did you think I meant?

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
7:23 pm

SFD

Yeah…what DID he mean? Hmmmm… :-)

BADA BING

May 31st, 2011
7:25 pm

josef……..I am also hyper. I sometimes start writing a word with the second or third letter of the word I am trying to spell. My mind has already gone ahead so far and my hand starts writing in the middle of the word. Very annoying.

BADA BING

May 31st, 2011
7:27 pm

Bishop Long and his accusers have reached an agreement. I’ll show you mine if you show me yours.

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2011
7:28 pm

What did you think I meant?

why, prezacktly what you posted @ 7.21 of course!

off to litruhlly put food in my fambly. later, perhaps.

midtownguy

May 31st, 2011
7:30 pm

Ok, the partner is on his way home. Time to open the wine and sit on the back porch. He is going to enjoy some of the comments here (I am probably in trouble for that rapture thing). But he will get over it. Hell, he has stayed for 35 years, I don’t see him leaving now.

Be nice.

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
7:33 pm

midtown

35 years? Twice in one night? I know I’m not gonna let Unmentionable see that…see, they’ve been at it for 35 years, too and….nope…what happens on the blog stays on the blog tonight! :-)

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
7:52 pm

Okay, I’ll do the 251 so y’all can go on…gotta get some paperwork ready for a.m. have fun…

Dusty

May 31st, 2011
7:54 pm

Have all you folks had enough cussin’, fussin’ and insultin’ for today? Getting tired of spreading your personal life all over the blog?

Well, stop it! The BRAVES are playing and it is worth watching. Now that’s a game to enjoy and a team to support.. GET WITH IT!!

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2011
8:02 pm

The BRAVES are playing

go Pad-people! up one-zip in the third, I see.

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2011
8:08 pm

Finn McCool

May 31st, 2011
8:18 pm

In fact, a study by the University of Maryland reveals, ignorance of Fox viewers actually increases the longer they watch the network. That’s because Ailes isn’t interested in providing people with information, or even a balanced range of perspectives. Like his political mentor, Richard Nixon, Ailes traffics in the emotions of victimization.

“What Nixon did – and what Ailes does today in the age of Obama – is unravel and rewire one of the most powerful of human emotions: shame,” says Perlstein, the author of Nixonland. “He takes the shame of people who feel that they are being looked down on, and he mobilizes it for political purposes. Roger Ailes is a direct link between the Nixonian politics of resentment and Sarah Palin’s politics of resentment. He’s the golden thread.”

Good article

How Roger Ailes Built the Fox News Fear Factory
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-roger-ailes-built-the-fox-news-fear-factory-20110525?page=1

Old Retired English Professor

May 31st, 2011
8:33 pm

haven’t heard from OREP in a while…hope he’s okay…

I’m OK, josef. Still keeping an eye on your prose and wincing once in a while.

kayaker 71

May 31st, 2011
8:40 pm

The AJC reports that housing prices are at 1999 levels, the lowest since Bozo’s stimulus was supposed to provide us with a boost. Unemployment still at about 10% reported (more like 15+%), debt at an all time high, consumer confidence in the tank, record foreclosures at an all time high and new home construction at a new low, banks, despite being serviced by the govt are not lending money, debt ceiling bill passes Congress, this country is essentially broke….. and liberals think that Bozo is doing a great job. What a disaster…. and liberals, despite being in denial, view this as progressive. God help this great country.

Former Military

May 31st, 2011
8:46 pm

So, if you are one of that ever-shrinking minority who believe that gay Americans don’t have a right to full participation as citizens, including the right to help defend this country, don’t join the United States military. If you do join the United States military, you better be ready to change your behavior to conform to military rules, which now outlaw discrimination against gay Americans.

Most people that have served are aware that there have always been gay individuals in the Armed Forces. I am heterosexual and served side by side with them everyday. It is true that we have an all volunteer military and a lot of the service personnel will not disclose their sexual orientation. This issue is so old and worn out. There will ALWAYS be gays in the military and they more then likely will continue to stay in the closet. Look around the civilian work environments and compare them. The main differences are the uniforms and strict military laws.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

May 31st, 2011
8:47 pm

Well, I see it’s the same old stuff here.

I read where they might of found that cell phone use causes cancer. I sure hope so. I’m sick of people on cell phones that don’t know they’re in this world and drive like maniacs. I’m sick of seeing people walking thru stores and talking on cell phones. I’m disgusted with people that go into Ryans and talk on their cell phone so loud you can’t even eat in peace.

I figure about a four-foot long cancer growing out of their ear would cut way down on their cell phone use. Not that I wish anybody harm or anything. That wouldn’t be Christian.

Have a good night everybody.

Fred

May 31st, 2011
8:49 pm

My “problem” with gays serving in the military? The whiny assed ones looking for a payday and a chance to be “victimized.”

I was combat arms. We are a crude bunch. We use ribald humor. I avoided females soldiers in a “professional” manner as much as I possibly could since I didn’t want to be answering “sexual discrimination” charges for some stupid crap. This was confirmed for me when I was in PLDC (Primary Leadership Development Course, a mandatory school to become a Sergeant). There was this one useless bimbo, we were put on maneuvers and when the instructor came up to her, her web belt was twisted all sideways and stuff. He grabbed her ammo pouches like he would anyone man and jerked them to the forward facing position where they should have been and said, “Square yourself and equipment away.” After he left she was all, “He had NO RIGHT to TOUCH ME.” (He didn’t touch the silly twit, he adjusted her equipment), THAT’S sexual abuse, that’s sexual harassment. What do YOU think.” I told her I would prefer she never talk to me again and I DAMN SURE would stay as far away from her as possible.

In the infantry we also used “gay humor.” It’s inevitable when you are in as close proximity to each other as you have to be. If you are in Germany sleeping on the ground, have one blanket between tow men and it’s 10 degrees and snowing, you can BET you’ll be cuddled up like newly weds. “You get a stiffy and we’re gonna have problems.” “Don’t worry, I’ll do it and make you like it.” Stuff like that.

Of course I’m limited by the auto snagger to use good examples but perhaps you get the picture. There’s no “accusations” or “harassment” it’s just “macho man” talk all in given and received in a jocular manner.

Oh no, but what if someone IS gay and they decide to be “offended?” Someone gets mad at their Sergeant? All of a sudden, he’s a “gay basher.”

I’m not saying it could happen, I’m saying it WILL happen.

Fred

May 31st, 2011
8:54 pm

Dusty

May 31st, 2011
7:54 pm

Have all you folks had enough cussin’, fussin’ and insultin’ for today? Getting tired of spreading your personal life all over the blog?
==================================

Dang Dusty did I miss all the good stuff? Should i scroll back and read all the stuff I skipped over?

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
8:58 pm

Scout @ 6:40

Why not get involved in the community to save a life before you have to take one? Wouldn’t it be far more productive to be a mentor to someone and add a productive member to society as opposed to aborting a life that could be something worth living?

Jay @ 6:41

I think he’s just as tuned into his audience as you are with yours. :)

And I had ‘the rapture’ twice last night. The ‘old boy still has it!

:shock:

BADA @ 7:10

:shock: :???: :?: :???: :shock:

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
9:00 pm

OREP

You may want to skip over my posts. Either that, or use a dry erase red pen. That way, you’ll be able to still use your monitor once you’re finished your grading. :)

Fred

May 31st, 2011
9:02 pm

Who’s OREP?

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

May 31st, 2011
9:11 pm

Nothing against gay people except that I don’t condone their life style based on religious beliefs but this is all a bunch of crap about homosexuals in the military. The fact is that the homosexual community numbers well below 10% of this countries population. Gays in the military are a comparatively small number and too much is being made of it. I think those that are homosexual who serve based on a calling to defend America should be protected from discrimination and persecution. Those who think the elimination of DADT provides a license for political activism should be disengaged from serving in any branch of our military. I served in the U.S.M.C. Infantry and Recon and never ran into a trooper who even appeared remotely as homosexual.

Don't Forget

May 31st, 2011
9:14 pm

recon

Gays in the military are a comparatively small number and too much is being made of it.

It takes two to tango so that must mean that both sides are making too much of it, right?

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
9:15 pm

Fred

^^^^^^ Old Retired English Professor.

I’d make sure to cross my t’s and dot my I’s when he’s around. Make sure you know when to use a colon and/or semi-colon too. He usually pops in to straighten out josef’s English though.

:)

Left wing management

May 31st, 2011
9:19 pm

Off topic here: but it appears that had the private company responsible for the stricken Japanese nuclear plant been allowed to have its way in the aftermath of the accident, that is if it had been allowed to ignore the pleas of the government to apply seawater to the melted cores, we might well have seen a catastrophe that would have dwarfed Chernobyl. All of Northern Japan might well have been lost. What saved us from that catastrophe? The government’s quick action to dump the seawater on the melted cores, which it turns out may have made just the critical difference.

Food for thought for those who doubt the fundamental perversity of the private sector when push comes to shove at a time of grave crisis.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

May 31st, 2011
9:21 pm

“It takes two to tango so that must mean that both sides are making too much of it, right?”

Don’t Forget, you make a good point.

Don't Forget

May 31st, 2011
9:24 pm

Thanks recon. I really believe we could do a lot to solve our nation’s problems if we spent more time doing the things we agree on rather than focusing on the difference’s. But it’s in the politician’s interest to “divide and conquer”. What a shame.

Mick

May 31st, 2011
9:27 pm

The only thing that I can add is that of course, west would hail from florida, boca raton to be exact. We have been in the twilight zone since 2000 and there’s no us stopping now. West, will most likely be history in the next election, sorry we let the cat out of the bag…

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
9:27 pm

Don’t Forget

Definitely food for thought there.

LWM

Interesting thought indeed….

getalife

May 31st, 2011
9:33 pm

TMI on “weiners” today.

Don't Forget

May 31st, 2011
9:35 pm

Speaking of TMI, if you haven’t seen the South Park episode with that name, check it out. It’s hilarious.

Don't Forget

May 31st, 2011
9:36 pm

Food for thought for those who doubt the fundamental perversity of the private sector when push comes to shove at a time of grave crisis.

Not always perverse, sometimes just plain incompetent.

And something that many will disagree with but in the industrial world your profitability depends on what business your in even more than your managerial skills.

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
9:36 pm

TMI on “weiners” today.

Well, when it comes to Congress, you can’t have a “Boehner” without having a “Weiner” can you? :)

And, with that, I’m out for the evenin’.

Later!!!!!!!

Dusty

May 31st, 2011
9:37 pm

Fred,
Don’t bother to read back to see what you missed. Today’s subject is one of Bookman’s potboilers. This time he leads in with West. The response is pretty repetitive. Most has been said several times before . Too bad. Was not worth reading the first time.

How’s the book coming? Made any progress?

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

May 31st, 2011
9:38 pm

Taps…Y’all have a pleasant evening and enjoy every day the good Lord gives you.

Mick

May 31st, 2011
9:43 pm

Brosephus
@
May 31st, 2011
9:36 pm

Truer words have much less likely, ever been uttered…

Thulsa Doom

May 31st, 2011
9:56 pm

Anthony whiner weiner. I was embarrassed for this fool at his press conference- going on and on about people with pies in the back of the crowd,etc. And getting all defensive at the reporter asking a simple yes/no question. Watching this vermin squeam about a simple question was priceless. Witnessing this idiot’s press conference you can’t help but realize just how F ed up we are that we keep electing jackasses like this that can’t answer a straightforward yes/no question. Its pathetic. And I’m not picking on him cause he’s a Dem but because he’s part of the problem which is Congress period.

Thulsa Doom

May 31st, 2011
10:05 pm

Come to think of it wasn’t that married Republican that had to resign because of the craigslist personal ad also from NY? Must be something in the water up there in NY that produces arrogant bastards of both stripes. At least this fool had enough decency to step down. Would Weiner? Never in a million years.

Mighy Righty

May 31st, 2011
10:06 pm

Below is the Wickapedia link for the Colnel West incident. I suggest this for anyone who is interested in an unbiased report.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_West_(politician)

Dusty

May 31st, 2011
10:08 pm

Sometimes I feel like I’m back in grade school where people giggled over “dirty’ pictures.

“Weiners”….if you’ve got a Boehner??? Cute!! Go sit in the back corner, child.

Dusty

May 31st, 2011
10:13 pm

Well, at least Weiner is a Democrat. Bookman won’t notice what he does. That’s against the rules.

Thulsa Doom

May 31st, 2011
10:21 pm

Mighty Righty,

After reading the wikipedia report I really don’t have much of a problem with what West did. He certainly could have handled it a little better but that’s easy to say as someone who wasn’t there.

Joe Mama provided a link earlier on the same subject and of course the link if I remember correctly was from the ACLU- no credibility there of course. Wonder why Joe didn’t use the wikipedia link considering he often posts wikipedia as a source as opposed to an ACLU link?

Don't Forget

May 31st, 2011
10:25 pm

Thulsa Doom

May 31st, 2011
10:21 pm

Mighty Righty,

He certainly could have handled it a little better

and he said as much. Move along, nothing to see here. (Same for Weiner at this point, details to follow)

Thulsa Doom

May 31st, 2011
10:26 pm

Dusty,

Looks to like Weiner’s account was possibly hacked. But at the press conference he had he adamantly refused to answer a simple yes/no question as to whether or not he sent the twitter to the 21 year old lady. Truly an arrogant man. This guy emits more hot air than the equator.

Thulsa Doom

May 31st, 2011
10:28 pm

Taps. See you folks later.

Bill Orvis White

May 31st, 2011
11:02 pm

The gays can be fixed if they go to the right places like churches. It wouldn’t cost the government a dime and would keep our military in top shape. Unfortunately, Hussein Obama has used the military as a social experiment. This installed-president has damaged the military beyond recognition.

Amen,
Bill

TGT

June 1st, 2011
12:37 am

Okay, let’s apply Jay’s logic to the marriage debate. If you don’t want to abide by the federal law, and the myriad of state laws that forbid same-sex marriage, move to a state/country that does, or don’t get married.

Finn McCool

June 1st, 2011
5:42 am

OMG, the Snakes from the right just will not let us rest:

A Political Revival for Ralph Reed
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/01/us/politics/01reed.html?_r=1&hp

If there ever was a wolf in sheep’s clothing, this guy is it.

Gandalf the Wise

June 1st, 2011
6:01 am

Jay, you never fail to amuse me. You have no idea what it takes to defend a fighting position or go on a patrol in hostile territory. Espirt de corps and unit cohesion is very important. You are as you alway are, without a clue.

Joel Edge

June 1st, 2011
6:17 am

“If you don’t want to abide by the rules of the United States military, then don’t join.”
What group has made that comment before? I wish I could remember. It’ll come to me.

Normal

June 1st, 2011
7:11 am

Gandalf,
I served with gay men my whole career. Never had a problem with them at all…especially “in country”. Then we all wanted the same thing…to stay alive. These old “the gay is out to convert you” attitudes are so passe…unless you are secretly hoping to be converted…just sayin’

stands for decibels

June 1st, 2011
7:12 am

Brosephus

June 1st, 2011
7:20 am

Mornin’ peeps. With all the stuff going on, the last thing Congress should be worried about is homosexual military members. Balance a damn budget first, and you might get a little credibility on other areas.

stands for decibels

June 1st, 2011
7:21 am

the Snakes from the right just will not let us rest:

and here’s why, from your link, emphasis mine:

In interviews, a few evangelical leaders said they were wary of Mr. Reed, perhaps more because of his pragmatism than his past, but none would criticize him on the record. More common was the view of Tom Minnery, a vice president at Focus on the Family, who said: “I’m sure that Ralph learned a valuable lesson from that period in his life. But he’s a very talented man, and we welcome all the players.”

Put more plainly: absent being caught with a live boy/dead girl in bed, America’s radical clerics will always support their own.

Brosephus

June 1st, 2011
7:28 am

LOL @ dB!!!!!!!!!!

stands for decibels

June 1st, 2011
7:29 am

also, herewith, the best thing ever posted on a Bookman thread ever ever, in case you missed it:

35 years? Twice in one night? I know I’m not gonna let Unmentionable see that…

Dang. I might as well hang up the keyboard right now; I’m never topping that.

Mick

June 1st, 2011
7:42 am

Ralph reed is definately a three headed snake, yet people will still send money to this false messiah. A least he will be running out of old white people to fleece, that pool is being drained…

stands for decibels

June 1st, 2011
7:45 am

Mick, remember: Rev. Wright is an evil, racist, Whitey-hating, phony-Christian because he said “G.D. America” that one time, even though he actually apologized for saying it in the same sermon. Also, too, installed-President Bacrock Osama is forever stained by his association with this vile serpent even though the uppity Kenyan wasn’t actually there when Wright said “G.D. America” that one time.

But Ralph Reed? he’s a “player,” and per the Focus on the Family guy, we welcome all the players, including those who steal from Indian tribes, long as they sound somewhat vaguely contrite for having offended anyone while doing so.

(You can come back baby, rock’n'roll never forgets…)

Mick

June 1st, 2011
7:50 am

Well, here’s a shout out to all you great people of georgia who didn’t buy the snake oil and put reed out to pasture. This guy and his ethics are beyond contempt, and oh yeah, guess where he grew up? Miami – figures..

Finn McCool

June 1st, 2011
8:02 am

steal from Indian tribes

Well, steal isn’t a harsh enough term. The guy defrauded the tribe and its people.

other applicable terms:
deceive
swindle
con
cheat
trick
fleece
dupe

Finn McCool

June 1st, 2011
8:03 am

And all the above terms can be used interchangeably with “Republican”.

straitroad

June 1st, 2011
8:21 am

Jay,

Are you also a pervert or do you just support the normalization of perverted behavior?

Doggone/GA

June 1st, 2011
8:28 am

“And all the above terms can be used interchangeably with “Republican”.”

That’s too broad a brush

Left wing management

June 1st, 2011
8:31 am

straitroad: “Are you also a pervert or do you just support the normalization of perverted behavior?”

Well, I can’t answer for Jay but my answer is that in certain cases I think it’s useful to normalize behavior that has been dubbed ‘perverted’ so as to remove that stigma. There’s nothing about homosexual practice that makes it universally ‘perverse’ – or at least, not any more than human sexuality in general. So society really has no business stigmatizing it as such.

Doggone/GA

June 1st, 2011
8:31 am

“Are you also a pervert or do you just support the normalization of perverted behavior”

“Judge not, lest ye be judged”

@@

June 1st, 2011
8:39 am

Words of wisdom from Charlie Rangel?

Rangel On Spending: “All We Have To Do” Is Tax More

Charlie said: “We have to cut back in our spending…everybody knows that…and we have to raise revenue in order to do it.”

schnirt

Paul

June 1st, 2011
8:47 am

Morning, all.

Maybe I’m misinterpreting Rep West and Jay, but it seems to me what Jay has done (which is so much fun) is to take Rep West’s seemingly ambiguous remarks and offered a conclusion (his last paragraph) that is directly opposite the point Rep West was making.

So no, Jay wasn’t agreeing with Rep West. And retired Lt Col West’s attitudes are still locked into decades-old stereotypes.

carlosgvv

June 1st, 2011
8:49 am

No one really knows what impact, if any, will arise from allowing gays to serve openly in the Military. So, common sense tells us to wait until the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are over and the troops are home before starting this. Then, if it turns out to be really disruptive and actually dangerous to men in combat, the policy can be changed without any loss of life. Of course, to many of you, political correctness is more important than soldier’s lives so it’s full speed ahead.

Granny Godzilla

June 1st, 2011
8:54 am

Of course, to many of you, political correctness is more important than soldier’s lives so it’s full speed ahead.

OR PERHAPS, you don’t have any confidence in our military
men and women to understand and do the right thing…..Why don’t you think our troops are good enough, smart enough and strong enough to do what is right?

Don’t measure the rest of the world by your own limitations.

Doggone/GA

June 1st, 2011
8:56 am

“Then, if it turns out to be really disruptive and actually dangerous to men in combat”

It isn’t now, it won’t be later.

stands for decibels

June 1st, 2011
8:58 am

Charlie Rangel?

Sorry, we must always refer to him as “Staff Sgt., 2nd Infantry Rangel,” or Kayaker 71 will cry big tears.

Left wing management

June 1st, 2011
9:00 am

carlosgvv: “Of course, to many of you, political correctness is more important than soldier’s lives so it’s full speed ahead:

What does this have to do with ‘political correctness’?

Besides, I’m just wondering how many solider’s lives were lost due to the integration of the Armed Forces in the 40s.

AmVet

June 1st, 2011
9:03 am

The supposed conservatives in 1948 were dead wrong when they opposed Truman integrating the military.

The supposed conservatives in 1993 were dead wrong when they opposed Clinton’s implementing DADT.

And the supposed conservatives in 2010 are dead wrong when they oppose Obama talking the next logical step and moving past DADT.

“Consistency. It’s only a virtue, if you’re not a screwup.”

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/demotivators/consistencydemotivationalposter.jpg

Paul

June 1st, 2011
9:04 am

carlosgvv

US combat forces were withdrawn from Iraq last year. All other countries’ forces are gone. We have 46,000 left there. DoD does not categorize them as combat forces, but training.

We have about 100,000 military in Afghanistan. The US military, active and reserve, totals over 2,000,000. I don’t see the ‘we have two wars underway and the stress would be too much on 5 percent’ as holding water. Plus, it’s an assumption it would be disruptive. I could be that those 5 percent are professionals who are fully able to put aside their preferences and put the mission first.

Doggone/GA

June 1st, 2011
9:04 am

“Besides, I’m just wondering how many solider’s lives were lost due to the integration of the Armed Forces in the 40s”

And THOSE integrated soldiers could hide who they were, unlike gay soldiers.

Doggone/GA

June 1st, 2011
9:06 am

“I could be that those 5 percent are professionals who are fully able to put aside their preferences and put the mission first.”

But it’s not those 5% that poor carl is worried about. He’s worried that the other 95% aren’t professional enough to deal with the issue of “gays in the military” and that they need to be protected.

Doggone/GA

June 1st, 2011
9:08 am

oops! “And THOSE integrated soldiers could hide who they were, unlike gay soldiers”

should be: “COULDN’T hike who they were”

TGT

June 1st, 2011
9:08 am

Again, let’s apply Jay’s logic to the marriage debate. If you don’t want to abide by the federal law, and the myriad of state laws that forbid same-sex marriage, move to a state/country that does, or don’t get married. If you do want to live in states/countries that ban gay marriage, then “you better be ready to change your behavior” to conform to such laws.

josef nix

June 1st, 2011
9:09 am

Day two and still on topic? I feel, so…important?

Anyway, Bruin, I’ve already got up, gone in, reported, picked up my next task and am on it other screen…so, where’s something new to talk about…?

josef nix

June 1st, 2011
9:10 am

oops…there it is…take the wind out of my sails, would you? :-)

Bosch

June 1st, 2011
9:12 am

Hey! Gandalf’s back! How’s Skippy?

Left wing management

June 1st, 2011
9:12 am

carlosgvv: “Then, if it turns out to be really disruptive and actually dangerous to men in combat, the policy can be changed without any loss of life. ”

Besides, why all this hand-wringing about ‘loss of soldier’s lives’? I mean, if the whole point of the military is to “break things and kill people” as Rush Limbaugh puts it, then why should we be completely paralyzed by the prospect of soldiers dying? You’re not becoming a librul’ softie are you?

Bosch

June 1st, 2011
9:13 am

“No one really knows what impact, if any, will arise from allowing gays to serve openly in the Military.”

Yes we do, because they have been serving in the Military since the Revolutionary War.

Joe Mama

June 1st, 2011
9:17 am

Doom — “Joe Mama provided a link earlier on the same subject and of course the link if I remember correctly was from the ACLU- no credibility there of course.”

No, no credibility whatsoever in reading photostats of the actual statements written by the soldiers who participated in and witnessed the statement. It’s clear that the people who were there and participated in the incident couldn’t have any credibility whatsoever.

Oh, yes, and the photostat machine lied, too.

“Wonder why Joe didn’t use the wikipedia link considering he often posts wikipedia as a source as opposed to an ACLU link?”

More than one link in a post and you run the risk of the autosnagger. But given how much you’ve railed in the past about how unreliable Wikipedia is, it is certainly good to see that you’ve changed your opinion.

FSUNoleinDC

June 1st, 2011
9:21 am

jay shows he is a reprobate…

josef nix

June 1st, 2011
9:21 am

Ya know, there are a some posters here who phrase their objection to gay folks in terms of their religious beliefs, a couple of them meanwhile supporting repeal of DADT, and then there are those, and you know who you are, who are somewhat rude from time to time in opposition to people of faith…the conclusion, imho, the latter are just plumb mean and hateful bigots…

just an observation before taking off for upstairs…

Jay

June 1st, 2011
9:23 am

I am the wind beneath your wings, Josef.

josef nix

June 1st, 2011
9:27 am

Ned_Flaherty

June 1st, 2011
1:38 pm

U.S. Representative Allen West (R-Florida) is ignorant and mis-informed, on 5 counts.

1. West thinks bisexual, lesbian, and gay sexual orientations are arbitrary, whimsical behaviors that any individual can change easily, just like grabbing a new pair of socks.

He’s wrong. All 5 sexual orientations — bisexual, lesbian, gay, heterosexual, asexual — are innate, fundamental components of the entire person. Decades ago, credible professionals accepted modern scientific research which proved that sexual orientations are generally fundamental and immutable.

2. West also assumes — again, incorrectly — that fairness and equality are just a “social experiment.”

He’s wrong. Most large American employers treat personnel of all sexual orientations equally and fairly. And 41 other nations already allow open service in their armed forces. And 21 states already have some form of marriage equality (same-sex marriage, civil union, or domestic partnership): CA, CO, CT, DC, DE, HI, IA, IL, MA, MD, ME, NH, NJ, NM, NV, NY, OR, RI, VT, WA, WI. What West mistakenly calls a “social experiment” is already commonplace. The only thing out of place is West himself.

3. West claims to be worried about “what our young men and women have to contend with.” He’s not, because he ignores the fact that millions of bisexuals, lesbians, and gays served well across the 20th/21st centuries, and 78,000 are serving right now. The morale and performance of those 78,000 would benefit greatly if they weren’t forced by federal law to lie about who they are, how they live, and who they love.

4. West also assumes — again, incorrectly — that the Americans who want all armed forces membes to be treated fairly and equally are only a “very small special interest group.”

He’s wrong. CNN, NBC, ABC, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Gallup, Pew, McClatchy, and Quinnipiac University reported that 80% of all Americans favor treating all military personnel fairly and equally, without regard to sexual orientation.

5. Finally, West also says — again, incorrectly — that “now is not the time” to treat people fairly. So he admits that it’s possible, just not now. How is any time a wrong time for equality? And on what date does Mr. West think equality will finally become timely enough?

Mr. West, abandon your 19th century, skip the 20th, and join the 21st. While you still can.

David Granger

June 1st, 2011
9:48 pm

I agree completely, Jay. Anyone who joins the military must be ready and willing to adhere to its rules. And that applies to gays, as well. I’m glad to see that gays are going to be allowed to openly serve…they have served with honor and integrity (there are certainly some exceptions)…and I’m glad they won’t have to hide an important part of their life and of whom they are. But neither will they be allowed to flaunt it, either…just like straights are not allowed to flaunt their relationships. A gay man will be able to give his “life partner” a goodbye peck in the morning, just like a straight soldier gives his wife. But straights are not allowed to make extreme displays of affection…so gays won’t be allowed to, either. Straight soldiers are not allowed to wear their uniform wherever and under whatever circumstances they wish to…and neither will gay soldiers be allowed to. That means that gays will not be allowed to wear their uniform and march in any “rainbow brigades” in a gay pride parade, just like straight soldiers of Irish descent have been prohibited from wearing their uniform and marching in impromptu “Irish brigades” in St. Patrick’s Day parades. (Although I’ll bet you some gays and gay rights organizations will insist that they should be allowed to, since they’ve been prohibited from openly serving “for so long”.) I’m glad to see the new policy, but it’s not carte blanche.

Mike Emm

June 1st, 2011
11:39 pm

Granny you are right relieved of his command about a 5K fine and an invitation to take advantage of his ability to retire. They don’t want people like him in the military.