Words of wisdom from Allen West on gays in the military
In an appearance today at the Heritage Foundation, U.S. Rep. Allen West, a conservative Republican freshman from Florida and a former Army officer, was asked about the impact of “social experimentation” on our military, an apparent reference to the abolition of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy.
West responded (see the 30-minute mark in the video below):
“Let me put it very simple, the United States’ military exists to win the nation’s wars. When you join the military, it takes individual behavior and conforms it the military. Now, if we start to have a perspective and belief in this nation that the military conforms to individual behavior, then we have lost the understanding of what it means to be in the United States military. The rules are very clear in the United States military. If you don’t want to abide by the rules of the United States military, then don’t join.
But the U.S. military is not there as a social experiment and for those who will sit up there and say, Congressman, you should understand because you’re black. Unless I’m Michael Jackson, I can’t change my color. But people can change behavior. And you do not base being a part of the military on adjusting to individual behavior. That’s my concern. And when you look at what our young men and women have to contend with, we’re talking about men and women fifth and sixth tours in combat zones. Now is not the time to appease a very small special interest group and I’ll leave it at that.”
I concur wholeheartedly with the congressman’s statement. If you don’t want to abide by the rules of the U.S. military, don’t join. The military should not conform to an individual’s behavior; the individual conforms to the military, and now is not the time to appease a very small special interest group. I agree with all of that.
So, if you are one of that ever-shrinking minority who believe that gay Americans don’t have a right to full participation as citizens, including the right to help defend this country, don’t join the United States military. If you do join the United States military, you better be ready to change your behavior to conform to military rules, which now outlaw discrimination against gay Americans.
Amen, Brother West.
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Brosephus
May 31st, 2011
6:38 pm
Question for all y’all Drudgers here today. If the violence bothers, saddens, or worries you so much, what are you doing to mitigate it?
Brosephus
May 31st, 2011
6:39 pm
RW
Just don’t say it three times in the mirror while doing a one-armed handstand.
josef nix
May 31st, 2011
6:39 pm
RW
Nevermind!
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 31st, 2011
6:40 pm
Brosephus:
Just waiting for one of them to break into my house ………………. “one round, willy peter, will adjust, over” !
RW-(the original)
May 31st, 2011
6:40 pm
I remember when everybody was fooling around with their PDA’s in public. Now I think a Personal Digital Assistant is some kind of online erotica….or perhaps an IPhone app.
Jay
May 31st, 2011
6:41 pm
Drudge sure knows his market, doesn’t he?
RW-(the original)
May 31st, 2011
6:42 pm
Just don’t say it three times in the mirror while doing a one-armed handstand
The only thing I’m saying while doing that is ………. HELP
Doggone/GA
May 31st, 2011
6:43 pm
“And this didn’t apply to homosexuals when DADT was in place because”
Because they joined anyway and took the risk they’d be outed and thrown out. Who’s going to throw out the squeamish heteros?
Ivan
May 31st, 2011
6:43 pm
“So if you’re someone who can’t abide serving with gay people, don’t enlist. We don’t need our military effectiveness compromised by people who refuse to change their behavior and conform to the rules.”
And this didn’t apply to homosexuals when DADT was in place because……
josef nix
May 31st, 2011
6:45 pm
Okay…we gotta play nice…Daddy’s home…
Ivan
May 31st, 2011
6:45 pm
“We don’t need our military effectiveness compromised by people who refuse to change their behavior and conform to the rules.”
And this “tough talk” doesn’t apply to illegal immigration laws already in place because…..
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2011
6:46 pm
Jay
May 31st, 2011
6:41 pm
Drudge sure knows his market, doesn’t he?
Yup, and all he has to do is print a headline. His followers don’t want the truth they want ammunition.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 31st, 2011
6:48 pm
Jay:
Yep, let’s send them all down to South Georgia to pick fruit !
By the way …….. since we are on this subject:
“Arizona is losing to the proposed boycott.”
“Illegal immigrants are boycotting Arizona by the thousands, showing their outrage with Arizona ’s controversial new SB-1070 law by moving elsewhere.
In the small town of Guadalupe , AZ, south of Phoenix , Manuel Renaldo is one of those who is punishing Arizona by leaving. As he loaded his stolen car with his stolen belongings and family of ten, Renaldo told this reporter through an interpreter “It’s a matter of principle; I refuse to be supported by a state that treats me like a criminal!”
The effects of the exodus are being felt by Arizona retailers, who are reporting dwindling sales of beer, low grade wine such as Boone’s Farm Strawberry Hill, etc., spray paint, and ammunition. Also hit hard are the state’s hospitals, which have reported a dramatic decline in births and emergency room visits. Tattoo parlors are in a state of panic.
Renaldo told a reporter through an interpreter “He and his family are moving to California , which is a state that will support him and his family with dignity!”
Hummmmm ………………………………
AmVet
May 31st, 2011
6:48 pm
After several ahem…false alarms, I think I’ve figured out when the real rapture is at hand.
The day that Scout starts indicting white crimes, heterosexual crimes and/or Christian crimes, it’s time to get right with your maker, cuz the end is nigh!
Paulo977
May 31st, 2011
6:50 pm
jay
“you better be ready to change your behavior to conform to military rules, which now outlaw discrimination against gay Americans.”… Well interpreted..Amen
Ivan
May 31st, 2011
6:52 pm
I’m liking this new viewpoint you have, Jay. It’s very “Love it or Leave it.” themed. How Tea-Partyesque of you. =)
Doggone/GA
May 31st, 2011
6:53 pm
“And this “tough talk” doesn’t apply to illegal immigration laws already in place because”
Feel better after that stretch?
midtownguy
May 31st, 2011
6:56 pm
My partner is a former Marine (he says there is no such thing as a former Marine. Once a Marine always a Marine). His service was pre-DADT as we are in our mid-fifties. For many years I was his “best friend and roommate.” We never went out to dinner together unless we took two female friends with us (usually lesbians which made it even more strange). You do what you have to do given your time and place in this world.
I look forward to seeing other men and women like him able to serve openly.
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2011
6:57 pm
Scout,
Doesn’t it seem strange that so many are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals, but not our troops?
Wouldn’t it be great if we took the $360,000,000,000 (that’s billion) we spend on illegals every year, and spend it on our troops ?”
Cmon Scout, you know that’s all bs.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 31st, 2011
6:57 pm
and …………………………. MINORITY IMMIGRANTS:
“We need to show more sympathy for these people:
* They travel miles in the heat.
* They risk their lives crossing a border.
* They don’t get paid enough wages.
* They do jobs that others won’t do or are afraid to do.
* They live in crowded conditions among a people who speak a different language.
* They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day – every day.
I’m not talking about illegal Mexicans …
I’m talking about our troops!
Doesn’t it seem strange that so many are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals, but not our troops?
Wouldn’t it be great if we took the $360,000,000,000 (that’s billion) we spend on illegals every year, and spend it on our troops ?”
josef nix
May 31st, 2011
6:59 pm
ZamVet
“I think I’ve figured out when the real rapture is at hand.”
Right after you quit taking gratuitous swipes at Deep Southerners and I quit doing the same with Yankee immigrants?
stands for decibels
May 31st, 2011
7:01 pm
Posted as is from the DRUDGE REPORT.
Speaks for itself ………………………
Scout, you do know that Matty Drudge is gay as f–k, yes?
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Just wondering if you realize this, when you slavishly hit F5 to see if there are any new sigh-reen headlines you absotively must post here at the Com-lib site?
John McKinnon
May 31st, 2011
7:01 pm
Thank you for this story on Mr. West’s opinion. LGBT soldiers, airman, sailors and marines celebrate their freedom of expression on http://OutMilitary.com – the newly launched gay military social network. Silenced until now, Out Military is providing a supportive environment for friending, sharing and networking between gay active military, vets and supporters.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 31st, 2011
7:02 pm
AmVet @ 6:23
I wish I could but unfortunately a grand jury has to hand down indictments.
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2011
7:02 pm
Wow! I time traveled, lol. Wonder if it’s cause i’m in central time zone tonight.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 31st, 2011
7:04 pm
Don’t Forget:
The only thing I want to know is how you responded to my post above before I sent it ……………………………………..
What’s that Jay up to ??
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 31st, 2011
7:05 pm
When do we get to start handing these out again ????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Service_Medal
josef nix
May 31st, 2011
7:06 pm
midtown
A gay Marine? Nyanh you’ve got to be mistaken…nev-uh! You just made that up or he’s been lying to you all these years…
stands for decibels
May 31st, 2011
7:06 pm
a good linkee next time someone sez that CNN is a “librul” news network:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201105310021
Proving once again that there’s no standard by which many mainstream media outlets are willing to hold sloppy propagandist Andrew Breitbart, CNN this afternoon invited the discredited blogger on the air to discuss the Rep. Anthony Weiner (NY- D) Twitter story.
Conveniently setting aside the fact that virtually every attack campaign that Breitbart has launched in recent years has collapsed under the weight of modest scrutiny, CNN presented the fatuous blogger as some sort of expert who could walk people through the Weiner story, which he’s been hyping for days. (The whole right-wing blogosphere launched itself into a creepy tizzy over the holiday weekend regarding the story.)
The invite was odd because last summer CNN’s Anderson Cooper helped debunk Breitbart’s shoddy Shirley Sherrod attack and announced the clips of Sherrod that Breitbart posted online “were clearly edited to deceive and slander Miss Sherrod.” Cooper added that Breitbart’s behavior was “a classic example of what is wrong with our national discourse.”
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2011
7:07 pm
1811/1801 – 0311/0317
May 31st, 2011
7:04 pm
Don’t Forget:
The only thing I want to know is how you responded to my post above before I sent it ……………………………………..
Apparently the server was having as much trouble swallowing that post as I was.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 31st, 2011
7:07 pm
Off to chow !!!
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 31st, 2011
7:08 pm
Don’t Forget:
LOL ! You got me …………… now I am really off to chow .
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midtownguy
May 31st, 2011
7:09 pm
josef: And I had ‘the rapture’ twice last night. The ‘old boy still has it!
jconservative
May 31st, 2011
7:10 pm
And if you are not gay but straight, that means you conform and do not get another soldier, sailor etc pregnant.
If you do not know several hundred soldiers, sailors and airmen get a general discharge each year for just this offense.
If you can’t keep it in your pants, don’t join up.
The problem has never been gay or straight but obeying orders.
BADA BING
May 31st, 2011
7:10 pm
?txen s’tahW .pmats emit eht htiw melborp a llits s’ereht, yaJ
josef nix
May 31st, 2011
7:11 pm
midtown
Braggart! But what the hell, why not!
BADA
Now, just how long did THAT take? Good one…
stands for decibels
May 31st, 2011
7:12 pm
I had ‘the rapture’ twice last night.
t. m. i.
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2011
7:13 pm
jconservative
The problem has never been gay or straight but obeying orders.
exactly
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2011
7:17 pm
Chow sounds good. Probably back later.
CNN poll shows Obama approval rating at 54%.
josef nix
May 31st, 2011
7:18 pm
SFD
TMI? Aw, why’s that…?
BADA BING
May 31st, 2011
7:18 pm
josef, one of the few times my dyslexia comes in handy.
josef nix
May 31st, 2011
7:20 pm
BADA
And there I was, figuring you were a closet Hebe!
midtownguy
May 31st, 2011
7:21 pm
SFD: I meant that he led us in prayer twice and the holy spirit revealed himself to us just like he did to the homophobic bigot Bernice King. What did you think I meant?
josef nix
May 31st, 2011
7:23 pm
SFD
Yeah…what DID he mean? Hmmmm…
BADA BING
May 31st, 2011
7:25 pm
josef……..I am also hyper. I sometimes start writing a word with the second or third letter of the word I am trying to spell. My mind has already gone ahead so far and my hand starts writing in the middle of the word. Very annoying.
BADA BING
May 31st, 2011
7:27 pm
Bishop Long and his accusers have reached an agreement. I’ll show you mine if you show me yours.
stands for decibels
May 31st, 2011
7:28 pm
What did you think I meant?
why, prezacktly what you posted @ 7.21 of course!
off to litruhlly put food in my fambly. later, perhaps.
midtownguy
May 31st, 2011
7:30 pm
Ok, the partner is on his way home. Time to open the wine and sit on the back porch. He is going to enjoy some of the comments here (I am probably in trouble for that rapture thing). But he will get over it. Hell, he has stayed for 35 years, I don’t see him leaving now.
Be nice.
josef nix
May 31st, 2011
7:33 pm
midtown
35 years? Twice in one night? I know I’m not gonna let Unmentionable see that…see, they’ve been at it for 35 years, too and….nope…what happens on the blog stays on the blog tonight!
josef nix
May 31st, 2011
7:52 pm
Okay, I’ll do the 251 so y’all can go on…gotta get some paperwork ready for a.m. have fun…
Dusty
May 31st, 2011
7:54 pm
Have all you folks had enough cussin’, fussin’ and insultin’ for today? Getting tired of spreading your personal life all over the blog?
Well, stop it! The BRAVES are playing and it is worth watching. Now that’s a game to enjoy and a team to support.. GET WITH IT!!
stands for decibels
May 31st, 2011
8:02 pm
The BRAVES are playing
go Pad-people! up one-zip in the third, I see.
stands for decibels
May 31st, 2011
8:08 pm
Actually, they have a choice. They could stop following her and quit letting her jerk them around. Starve her of attention and she will lose it.
Finn McCool
May 31st, 2011
8:18 pm
In fact, a study by the University of Maryland reveals, ignorance of Fox viewers actually increases the longer they watch the network. That’s because Ailes isn’t interested in providing people with information, or even a balanced range of perspectives. Like his political mentor, Richard Nixon, Ailes traffics in the emotions of victimization.
“What Nixon did – and what Ailes does today in the age of Obama – is unravel and rewire one of the most powerful of human emotions: shame,” says Perlstein, the author of Nixonland. “He takes the shame of people who feel that they are being looked down on, and he mobilizes it for political purposes. Roger Ailes is a direct link between the Nixonian politics of resentment and Sarah Palin’s politics of resentment. He’s the golden thread.”
Good article
How Roger Ailes Built the Fox News Fear Factory
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-roger-ailes-built-the-fox-news-fear-factory-20110525?page=1
Old Retired English Professor
May 31st, 2011
8:33 pm
haven’t heard from OREP in a while…hope he’s okay…
I’m OK, josef. Still keeping an eye on your prose and wincing once in a while.
kayaker 71
May 31st, 2011
8:40 pm
The AJC reports that housing prices are at 1999 levels, the lowest since Bozo’s stimulus was supposed to provide us with a boost. Unemployment still at about 10% reported (more like 15+%), debt at an all time high, consumer confidence in the tank, record foreclosures at an all time high and new home construction at a new low, banks, despite being serviced by the govt are not lending money, debt ceiling bill passes Congress, this country is essentially broke….. and liberals think that Bozo is doing a great job. What a disaster…. and liberals, despite being in denial, view this as progressive. God help this great country.
Former Military
May 31st, 2011
8:46 pm
So, if you are one of that ever-shrinking minority who believe that gay Americans don’t have a right to full participation as citizens, including the right to help defend this country, don’t join the United States military. If you do join the United States military, you better be ready to change your behavior to conform to military rules, which now outlaw discrimination against gay Americans.
Most people that have served are aware that there have always been gay individuals in the Armed Forces. I am heterosexual and served side by side with them everyday. It is true that we have an all volunteer military and a lot of the service personnel will not disclose their sexual orientation. This issue is so old and worn out. There will ALWAYS be gays in the military and they more then likely will continue to stay in the closet. Look around the civilian work environments and compare them. The main differences are the uniforms and strict military laws.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 31st, 2011
8:47 pm
Well, I see it’s the same old stuff here.
I read where they might of found that cell phone use causes cancer. I sure hope so. I’m sick of people on cell phones that don’t know they’re in this world and drive like maniacs. I’m sick of seeing people walking thru stores and talking on cell phones. I’m disgusted with people that go into Ryans and talk on their cell phone so loud you can’t even eat in peace.
I figure about a four-foot long cancer growing out of their ear would cut way down on their cell phone use. Not that I wish anybody harm or anything. That wouldn’t be Christian.
Have a good night everybody.
Fred
May 31st, 2011
8:49 pm
My “problem” with gays serving in the military? The whiny assed ones looking for a payday and a chance to be “victimized.”
I was combat arms. We are a crude bunch. We use ribald humor. I avoided females soldiers in a “professional” manner as much as I possibly could since I didn’t want to be answering “sexual discrimination” charges for some stupid crap. This was confirmed for me when I was in PLDC (Primary Leadership Development Course, a mandatory school to become a Sergeant). There was this one useless bimbo, we were put on maneuvers and when the instructor came up to her, her web belt was twisted all sideways and stuff. He grabbed her ammo pouches like he would anyone man and jerked them to the forward facing position where they should have been and said, “Square yourself and equipment away.” After he left she was all, “He had NO RIGHT to TOUCH ME.” (He didn’t touch the silly twit, he adjusted her equipment), THAT’S sexual abuse, that’s sexual harassment. What do YOU think.” I told her I would prefer she never talk to me again and I DAMN SURE would stay as far away from her as possible.
In the infantry we also used “gay humor.” It’s inevitable when you are in as close proximity to each other as you have to be. If you are in Germany sleeping on the ground, have one blanket between tow men and it’s 10 degrees and snowing, you can BET you’ll be cuddled up like newly weds. “You get a stiffy and we’re gonna have problems.” “Don’t worry, I’ll do it and make you like it.” Stuff like that.
Of course I’m limited by the auto snagger to use good examples but perhaps you get the picture. There’s no “accusations” or “harassment” it’s just “macho man” talk all in given and received in a jocular manner.
Oh no, but what if someone IS gay and they decide to be “offended?” Someone gets mad at their Sergeant? All of a sudden, he’s a “gay basher.”
I’m not saying it could happen, I’m saying it WILL happen.
Fred
May 31st, 2011
8:54 pm
Dusty
May 31st, 2011
7:54 pm
Have all you folks had enough cussin’, fussin’ and insultin’ for today? Getting tired of spreading your personal life all over the blog?
==================================
Dang Dusty did I miss all the good stuff? Should i scroll back and read all the stuff I skipped over?
Brosephus
May 31st, 2011
8:58 pm
Scout @ 6:40
Why not get involved in the community to save a life before you have to take one? Wouldn’t it be far more productive to be a mentor to someone and add a productive member to society as opposed to aborting a life that could be something worth living?
Jay @ 6:41
I think he’s just as tuned into his audience as you are with yours.
And I had ‘the rapture’ twice last night. The ‘old boy still has it!
BADA @ 7:10
Brosephus
May 31st, 2011
9:00 pm
OREP
You may want to skip over my posts. Either that, or use a dry erase red pen. That way, you’ll be able to still use your monitor once you’re finished your grading.
Fred
May 31st, 2011
9:02 pm
Who’s OREP?
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 31st, 2011
9:11 pm
Nothing against gay people except that I don’t condone their life style based on religious beliefs but this is all a bunch of crap about homosexuals in the military. The fact is that the homosexual community numbers well below 10% of this countries population. Gays in the military are a comparatively small number and too much is being made of it. I think those that are homosexual who serve based on a calling to defend America should be protected from discrimination and persecution. Those who think the elimination of DADT provides a license for political activism should be disengaged from serving in any branch of our military. I served in the U.S.M.C. Infantry and Recon and never ran into a trooper who even appeared remotely as homosexual.
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2011
9:14 pm
recon
Gays in the military are a comparatively small number and too much is being made of it.
It takes two to tango so that must mean that both sides are making too much of it, right?
Brosephus
May 31st, 2011
9:15 pm
Fred
^^^^^^ Old Retired English Professor.
I’d make sure to cross my t’s and dot my I’s when he’s around. Make sure you know when to use a colon and/or semi-colon too. He usually pops in to straighten out josef’s English though.
Left wing management
May 31st, 2011
9:19 pm
Off topic here: but it appears that had the private company responsible for the stricken Japanese nuclear plant been allowed to have its way in the aftermath of the accident, that is if it had been allowed to ignore the pleas of the government to apply seawater to the melted cores, we might well have seen a catastrophe that would have dwarfed Chernobyl. All of Northern Japan might well have been lost. What saved us from that catastrophe? The government’s quick action to dump the seawater on the melted cores, which it turns out may have made just the critical difference.
Food for thought for those who doubt the fundamental perversity of the private sector when push comes to shove at a time of grave crisis.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 31st, 2011
9:21 pm
“It takes two to tango so that must mean that both sides are making too much of it, right?”
Don’t Forget, you make a good point.
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2011
9:24 pm
Thanks recon. I really believe we could do a lot to solve our nation’s problems if we spent more time doing the things we agree on rather than focusing on the difference’s. But it’s in the politician’s interest to “divide and conquer”. What a shame.
Mick
May 31st, 2011
9:27 pm
The only thing that I can add is that of course, west would hail from florida, boca raton to be exact. We have been in the twilight zone since 2000 and there’s no us stopping now. West, will most likely be history in the next election, sorry we let the cat out of the bag…
Brosephus
May 31st, 2011
9:27 pm
Don’t Forget
Definitely food for thought there.
LWM
Interesting thought indeed….
getalife
May 31st, 2011
9:33 pm
TMI on “weiners” today.
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2011
9:35 pm
Speaking of TMI, if you haven’t seen the South Park episode with that name, check it out. It’s hilarious.
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2011
9:36 pm
Food for thought for those who doubt the fundamental perversity of the private sector when push comes to shove at a time of grave crisis.
Not always perverse, sometimes just plain incompetent.
And something that many will disagree with but in the industrial world your profitability depends on what business your in even more than your managerial skills.
Brosephus
May 31st, 2011
9:36 pm
TMI on “weiners” today.
Well, when it comes to Congress, you can’t have a “Boehner” without having a “Weiner” can you?
And, with that, I’m out for the evenin’.
Later!!!!!!!
Dusty
May 31st, 2011
9:37 pm
Fred,
Don’t bother to read back to see what you missed. Today’s subject is one of Bookman’s potboilers. This time he leads in with West. The response is pretty repetitive. Most has been said several times before . Too bad. Was not worth reading the first time.
How’s the book coming? Made any progress?
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 31st, 2011
9:38 pm
Taps…Y’all have a pleasant evening and enjoy every day the good Lord gives you.
Mick
May 31st, 2011
9:43 pm
Brosephus
@
May 31st, 2011
9:36 pm
Truer words have much less likely, ever been uttered…
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2011
9:56 pm
Anthony whiner weiner. I was embarrassed for this fool at his press conference- going on and on about people with pies in the back of the crowd,etc. And getting all defensive at the reporter asking a simple yes/no question. Watching this vermin squeam about a simple question was priceless. Witnessing this idiot’s press conference you can’t help but realize just how F ed up we are that we keep electing jackasses like this that can’t answer a straightforward yes/no question. Its pathetic. And I’m not picking on him cause he’s a Dem but because he’s part of the problem which is Congress period.
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2011
10:05 pm
Come to think of it wasn’t that married Republican that had to resign because of the craigslist personal ad also from NY? Must be something in the water up there in NY that produces arrogant bastards of both stripes. At least this fool had enough decency to step down. Would Weiner? Never in a million years.
Mighy Righty
May 31st, 2011
10:06 pm
Below is the Wickapedia link for the Colnel West incident. I suggest this for anyone who is interested in an unbiased report.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_West_(politician)
Dusty
May 31st, 2011
10:08 pm
Sometimes I feel like I’m back in grade school where people giggled over “dirty’ pictures.
“Weiners”….if you’ve got a Boehner??? Cute!! Go sit in the back corner, child.
Dusty
May 31st, 2011
10:13 pm
Well, at least Weiner is a Democrat. Bookman won’t notice what he does. That’s against the rules.
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2011
10:21 pm
Mighty Righty,
After reading the wikipedia report I really don’t have much of a problem with what West did. He certainly could have handled it a little better but that’s easy to say as someone who wasn’t there.
Joe Mama provided a link earlier on the same subject and of course the link if I remember correctly was from the ACLU- no credibility there of course. Wonder why Joe didn’t use the wikipedia link considering he often posts wikipedia as a source as opposed to an ACLU link?
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2011
10:25 pm
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2011
10:21 pm
Mighty Righty,
He certainly could have handled it a little better
and he said as much. Move along, nothing to see here. (Same for Weiner at this point, details to follow)
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2011
10:26 pm
Dusty,
Looks to like Weiner’s account was possibly hacked. But at the press conference he had he adamantly refused to answer a simple yes/no question as to whether or not he sent the twitter to the 21 year old lady. Truly an arrogant man. This guy emits more hot air than the equator.
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2011
10:28 pm
Taps. See you folks later.
Bill Orvis White
May 31st, 2011
11:02 pm
The gays can be fixed if they go to the right places like churches. It wouldn’t cost the government a dime and would keep our military in top shape. Unfortunately, Hussein Obama has used the military as a social experiment. This installed-president has damaged the military beyond recognition.
Amen,
Bill
TGT
June 1st, 2011
12:37 am
Okay, let’s apply Jay’s logic to the marriage debate. If you don’t want to abide by the federal law, and the myriad of state laws that forbid same-sex marriage, move to a state/country that does, or don’t get married.
Finn McCool
June 1st, 2011
5:42 am
OMG, the Snakes from the right just will not let us rest:
A Political Revival for Ralph Reed
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/01/us/politics/01reed.html?_r=1&hp
If there ever was a wolf in sheep’s clothing, this guy is it.
Gandalf the Wise
June 1st, 2011
6:01 am
Jay, you never fail to amuse me. You have no idea what it takes to defend a fighting position or go on a patrol in hostile territory. Espirt de corps and unit cohesion is very important. You are as you alway are, without a clue.
Joel Edge
June 1st, 2011
6:17 am
“If you don’t want to abide by the rules of the United States military, then don’t join.”
What group has made that comment before? I wish I could remember. It’ll come to me.
Normal
June 1st, 2011
7:11 am
Gandalf,
I served with gay men my whole career. Never had a problem with them at all…especially “in country”. Then we all wanted the same thing…to stay alive. These old “the gay is out to convert you” attitudes are so passe…unless you are secretly hoping to be converted…just sayin’
stands for decibels
June 1st, 2011
7:12 am
Come to think of it wasn’t that married Republican that had to resign because of the craigslist personal ad also from NY?
This makes sense only if you believe that it’s “fair” for Republicans to invent their own “Democrat sex scandal” as “payback” for Democrats capitalizing on what Chris Lee did to himself. Yes, Democrats jump all over it — or “sensationalize” it — when a Republican does something weird and scandalous. But…Chris Lee’s picture had his face in it, and the recipient of the picture confirmed the story. If you can’t understand why the MSM would treat these stories differently (hint: not “liberal bias”!) you are maybe guilty of substituting wishful thinking for analysis.
Brosephus
June 1st, 2011
7:20 am
Mornin’ peeps. With all the stuff going on, the last thing Congress should be worried about is homosexual military members. Balance a damn budget first, and you might get a little credibility on other areas.
stands for decibels
June 1st, 2011
7:21 am
the Snakes from the right just will not let us rest:
and here’s why, from your link, emphasis mine:
In interviews, a few evangelical leaders said they were wary of Mr. Reed, perhaps more because of his pragmatism than his past, but none would criticize him on the record. More common was the view of Tom Minnery, a vice president at Focus on the Family, who said: “I’m sure that Ralph learned a valuable lesson from that period in his life. But he’s a very talented man, and we welcome all the players.”
Put more plainly: absent being caught with a live boy/dead girl in bed, America’s radical clerics will always support their own.
Brosephus
June 1st, 2011
7:28 am
LOL @ dB!!!!!!!!!!
stands for decibels
June 1st, 2011
7:29 am
also, herewith, the best thing ever posted on a Bookman thread ever ever, in case you missed it:
35 years? Twice in one night? I know I’m not gonna let Unmentionable see that…
Dang. I might as well hang up the keyboard right now; I’m never topping that.
Mick
June 1st, 2011
7:42 am
Ralph reed is definately a three headed snake, yet people will still send money to this false messiah. A least he will be running out of old white people to fleece, that pool is being drained…