Words of wisdom from Allen West on gays in the military
In an appearance today at the Heritage Foundation, U.S. Rep. Allen West, a conservative Republican freshman from Florida and a former Army officer, was asked about the impact of “social experimentation” on our military, an apparent reference to the abolition of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy.
West responded (see the 30-minute mark in the video below):
“Let me put it very simple, the United States’ military exists to win the nation’s wars. When you join the military, it takes individual behavior and conforms it the military. Now, if we start to have a perspective and belief in this nation that the military conforms to individual behavior, then we have lost the understanding of what it means to be in the United States military. The rules are very clear in the United States military. If you don’t want to abide by the rules of the United States military, then don’t join.
But the U.S. military is not there as a social experiment and for those who will sit up there and say, Congressman, you should understand because you’re black. Unless I’m Michael Jackson, I can’t change my color. But people can change behavior. And you do not base being a part of the military on adjusting to individual behavior. That’s my concern. And when you look at what our young men and women have to contend with, we’re talking about men and women fifth and sixth tours in combat zones. Now is not the time to appease a very small special interest group and I’ll leave it at that.”
I concur wholeheartedly with the congressman’s statement. If you don’t want to abide by the rules of the U.S. military, don’t join. The military should not conform to an individual’s behavior; the individual conforms to the military, and now is not the time to appease a very small special interest group. I agree with all of that.
So, if you are one of that ever-shrinking minority who believe that gay Americans don’t have a right to full participation as citizens, including the right to help defend this country, don’t join the United States military. If you do join the United States military, you better be ready to change your behavior to conform to military rules, which now outlaw discrimination against gay Americans.
Amen, Brother West.
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jewcowboy
May 31st, 2011
5:22 pm
“We want to treat them all fairly too don’t we?”
Yes, because a 160lb 5′ 10″ honor student who is gay would have the same handicap on their job as a soldier in the same way a 400lb 5′ 2″ kid who flunked out of high school would…
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2011
5:22 pm
Joe Mama,
Personally I don’t care if we let gays serve. I just don’t like the idea on here that some folks seem to think people have a right to this or a right to that such as a right to serve in the military. For example I saw a quote the other day about a San Francisco councilman talking about their ordinance that McDonald’s can’t serve toys with their happy meals- something about enticing kids with poor nutrition food. The fool said something about children having a right to food justice. Its this kind of nonsense I can do without.
Dave R.
May 31st, 2011
5:24 pm
jewcowboy, I’m calling BS on the whole limousine thing.
First, the GSA doesn’t know how many “limousines” they have? Big government at it’s worst when it can’t count cars.
Second, they have no definition of “limousine”? Please.
Third, whether it’s armored, or not, black or not, there are obviously too many bureaucrats getting free rides off of the taxpayers at a time when austerity is needed.
And fourth, BUSH? You’re gonna blame this on BUSH? In 2011? Really?
Dave R.
May 31st, 2011
5:24 pm
“You’re right. We have to treat them all equally. So now we should tell the marines to let all the obese people that want to join the corps go right ahead and join. Same with all the people that are too short or too tall or who couldn’t get in because of poor scholastics. We want to treat them all fairly too don’t we?”
Ridiculous argument, Thulsa.
Obese people affect national security when the effectiveness of the fighting force cannot be maintained. Too short, same thing. Too tall? Not sure that’s an issue, except he or she would make a bigger target and special equipment might have to be developed for them. Poor scholastics? You bet. We need the smartest force we can muster when defending this nation.
Sexual orientation? Not even in the equation for issues.
Jack
May 31st, 2011
5:25 pm
Agreeing with West is way out of character for Bookman. He must have been under the influence of Jack Daniels or something.
AmVet
May 31st, 2011
5:27 pm
Fear?
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/1968/croweyb4sa7.jpg
N-GA
May 31st, 2011
5:27 pm
Thulsa – I suspect you’ve never served. When I went thru basic training, what mattered was physical and mental toughness along with being able and willing to follow lawful orders. So if someone cannot do what is required, out they go. At the same time, some become infantry, others administrative specialists. BTW there were plenty of gays serving openly back when I was on active duty.
Kinda like women voting….it took time to get those rights that really should have been theirs at the start. Kinda like racial minorities…it took time to give them the same rights as everyone else. Kinda like laws against inter-racial marriage…it took time. In every case it was the powerful restricting the rights of the less powerful. Anyone who wants to discriminate against gays by preventing them from openly serving in the military is a poor example of an American.
josef nix
May 31st, 2011
5:27 pm
AT
I don’t really care much to hear about all about Bubba’s latest conquest on the het side myself, but that don’t stop him from telling us…now, if there’s a good story attached? Well, that’s another matter…and if he wants to bring her to a unit shindig, that’s another matter
Joe Mama
May 31st, 2011
5:28 pm
Josef — ROFL
The female troop I spoke of was another serious fitness monster. In the Army, you have to do as many pushups as you can in 2 minutes, as many situps as you can do in two minutes, and run 2 miles within a set time limit. You earn points, and 100 points per event is the maximum. When you perform each event, there’s a sergeant right there, ensuring that you perform the exercise properly, and most of them will count audibly so you know if you’re doing it right.
Little Miss Toughie got down to knock out the pushups, and when she thought she heard the sergeant count out a certain number, she stopped (still remaining in position to do more pushups) and asked him how many she’d done. He repeated the number, and she said “good, that’s what I thought,” and she got up, forfeiting her remaining time.
Because she had just earned the maximum 100 points for pushups.
She then did the same stunt with the situps. We were all pretty much in awe of her by then. I’ve NEVER seen anyone else do that.
I don’t recall how fast she did the 2 miles, but I think it’s safe to say that she probably kicked that event’s hiney, too.
josef nix
May 31st, 2011
5:29 pm
JAY
By the way…great post from the writing standpoint! Like that twist…and who says you can’t see “the other side”
Good little liberal
May 31st, 2011
5:30 pm
I wonder if it is against the rules for gay soldiers to “do it” in the barracks.
Joe Mama
May 31st, 2011
5:31 pm
Doom — “Personally I don’t care if we let gays serve. I just don’t like the idea on here that some folks seem to think people have a right to this or a right to that such as a right to serve in the military.”
Okay, then let’s not couch it in terms of rights. Let’s instead consider it a matter of fitness to serve. Obviously, obese individuals would not be fit. Folks with certain chronic diseases wouldn’t be fit, either. The blind and deaf would also be right out, I would think. Also, I’d think that most mental disabilities (think mental retardation) would disqualify someone from serving. All these things have to do with whether a given person is fit to serve or not.
So do you think that gays and lesbians are fit to serve? If not, then why not?
Hillbilly D
May 31st, 2011
5:31 pm
Regardless of which party is in power, I’d like to see them use less expensive autos, fewer fancy fixin’s and the like. Just like the state dinners, etc., I think it’s all a colossal waste of money. (I don’t have a problem with the Presidential Limo, for security reasons). Of course, last time I said this, Jay said we like to look up to our leaders as being special but I don’t, so maybe I’m just a quare one.
Back during the Falklands War (c1982), I was watching the TV News and they showed the President of Argentina, being driven away from a meeting in a 1968 Ford Galaxy and he was being followed closely by the Secret Police, in a 1962 Ford Falcon (how the TV people knew they were the Secret Police, I don’t know). Our people could ride around in cars like that, don’t see where it be any different, except cheaper.
Of course, Argentina did lose the war but I don’t think the cars caused that.
AT
May 31st, 2011
5:31 pm
Logical Dude,
Yeah, I get that. But gays could serve before and there was no problem, the military’s stance was: “We don’t need to waste time over that, we aren’t about that anyway, we have other more important objectives to spend time on.” The only concern was a gay’s individual concern to be recognized as such.
Now it’s an issue that is going to require attention, resources and distracts from their primary mission of protecting and defending our nation. Gay people need special recognition now as gay people. So now there’s gay military people and non-gay military people whereas before, it was just military people.
Jay twisting Allen West’s words to mean something that Allen West didn’t intend just doesn’t follow… logically.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 31st, 2011
5:32 pm
I was watching the TV News and they showed the President of Argentina, being driven away from a meeting in a 1968 Ford Galaxy and he was being followed closely by the Secret Police, in a 1962 Ford Falcon (how the TV people knew they were the Secret Police, I don’t know). Our people could ride around in cars like that, don’t see where it be any different, except cheaper.
Well, they can’t now because of this Socialist Cash for Clunkers program that took tons of old cars off of the roads and ruint them for use by pouring liquid glass into the engines. Not that I wouldn’t like to see Obama riding in a Ford Falcon with Ralph Nader waving a big sign that said Unsafe at Any Speed. We could go back to the limos after a godly Republican is elected President.
Left wing management
May 31st, 2011
5:33 pm
pogo, having Fox News get me riled up about Democrats riding around in limousines reminds me of the joke making the rounds in Wisconsin about the 3 men seated at a table, one each representing labor, middle class, and the wealthy, when a table of 10 cookies arrives. The rich guy grabs 9 of them and then says to the middle class guy: “see that guy there, he wants to cheat you out of your cookie”. It’s part of an agenda to distract attention from the real outrages being committed by the very people they – here Fox – represent.
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2011
5:34 pm
Dave R.,
I was being sarcastic about letting all the fat kids join because they have a “right” to do so. Gotcha!
Joe Mama
May 31st, 2011
5:34 pm
GLL — “I wonder if it is against the rules for gay soldiers to “do it” in the barracks.”
IIRC, nookie of any sort (and alcohol too) was forbidden in the barracks when I wore the green business suit. Not to say that it didn’t happen, though. Most kids who had a steady girlfriend/boyfriend (or a thirst for the sauce) would find an inexpensive hotel room off post for their weekend antics.
Dave R.
May 31st, 2011
5:36 pm
“Yes, let visiting dignitaries who are guests of the US gov’t get shot while riding in the back of a taxi from National Airport. I’m sure there will no repercussions following that.”
jewcowboy, visiting dignitaries are taken care of by their embassies, with very few using U.S. government resources.
And yes, I have dealt with government acquisitions, and even three years is stretching it, especially for cars.
jewcowboy
May 31st, 2011
5:36 pm
Dave R.,
“the GSA doesn’t know how many “limousines” they have? Big government at it’s worst when it can’t count cars.”
They don’t know how many limousines they have, because they do not seem categorize them in that terminology. Ask them how many luxury armored sedans they have, and you might get a different answer.
“Second, they have no definition of “limousine”? Please.”
Why should they? What is your definition of a limousine…is it the same as Carey Limousines in Atlanta or Tel Aviv Limousine in NYC?
“there are obviously too many bureaucrats getting free rides off of the taxpayers at a time when austerity is needed.”
Yes, let visiting dignitaries who are guests of the US gov’t get shot while riding in the back of a taxi from National Airport. I’m sure there will no repercussions following that.
“And fourth, BUSH? You’re gonna blame this on BUSH? In 2011? Really?”
Obviously you’ve never dealt with a bureaucratic requisitions have you? It’s not like they went down to Nalley and put it on their Amex.
josef nix
May 31st, 2011
5:36 pm
Hillbilly
That Ford thingie in Argentina…nope, they may well have rolled off the assembly line the day before! When Argentina nationalized their auto industry, the last designs they had rights to use where those models! Watch an Argentine film and count up the number of them you see!
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2011
5:37 pm
N-GA,
I am a veteran and did my boot in San Diego as well as my A school training. And as I’ve said already I don’t care if we do or don’t let gays serve- they’re serving already.
Good little liberal
May 31st, 2011
5:38 pm
Some guys play cards. Some guys write home.
What would be the problem if some guys wanted to play hide the gerbil.
kayaker 71
May 31st, 2011
5:39 pm
Congressman West will certainly be a future thread topic on this blog. He won the 22nd District in FL by a 54+% margin and was the first successful black candidate in this district since Josiah T. Walls in 1876 by beating the incumbent. He received over 2,000 emails in support of his action in Iraq from parents of deployed service personnel. The liberals are scared of people like this. They represent pragmatic, responsible thought and this district in FL obviously thought he was the best man for the job. But what would a racist like me know about a credible candidate?
Brosephus
May 31st, 2011
5:40 pm
Dang, I thought sure we’d have a Weinergate thread over here.
Hillbilly D
May 31st, 2011
5:40 pm
josef
I knew that.
Didn’t want it to get in the way of my story, though. 
Back in the late 80’s (before the new Bug’s came out), you could still buy new VW Beetle’s in Mexico. Usually when U S and European manufacturers were done with their equipment, they sold it to “developing countries”.
Logical Dude
May 31st, 2011
5:40 pm
AT says : “Gay people need special recognition now as gay people. So now there’s gay military people and non-gay military people whereas before, it was just military people”
I think you’re missing the point. There still will only be “military people”. The only change is “a military person who happens to be female” or “a military person who happens to be black” or “a military person who happens to be gay”.
All have previously been banned from serving. They are all legally able to serve now. Just one of the examples can serve, but can’t let people know about it and continue serving.
Believe me, in 10 years, they’ll just be considered “just military people” by the military and by 99% of those serving with them. It’s that 1% who have jitters knowing that there is a military person who happens to be gay. (and it may not be as high as 1%).
Dave R.
May 31st, 2011
5:41 pm
And once Weinergate is mentioned, I’m outta here . . .
AmVet
May 31st, 2011
5:42 pm
“Ralph Nader waving a big sign that said Unsafe at Any Speed.”
Now that’s funny.
And not to put too fine a point on it, the book was primarily about the “one-car accident”, the Chevrolet Corvair…
jewcowboy
May 31st, 2011
5:42 pm
AT,
“Gay people need special recognition now as gay people. ”
Uh no…gay people would like to be treated EQUAL under the law. No better, no worse. You know things like being able to marry the one you love, no being forced out of housing or a job because of who you love, being able to see your partner in the hospital without a phalanx of paperwork, or your child for that matter, being able to list your partner as your next of kin while serving in the military without being discharged…you things guaranteed in the Constitution.
You know this one: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
AmVet
May 31st, 2011
5:42 pm
I think it would be the perfect black Islamophobe ticket.
Cain/West 2012 – “Torture them here, so we don’t have to do it over there.”
saywhat?
May 31st, 2011
5:42 pm
I have said many times that anybody too scared to serve with gay military personel is unfit for military service.
Logical Dude
May 31st, 2011
5:42 pm
Good little liberal says: The whole purpose to get rid of that policy is so gay people could be openly gay in the military”
And why is that bad again? Is it because OTHER people are SCARED to serve with gays? Come ON.
Thulsa Doom
May 31st, 2011
5:43 pm
Joe Mama,
I think you may have read what Dave R. also read with me stating that we should be letting everyone serve. If so I was kidding about letting fat kids, people too short, too tall, etc to serve. As for gays if they meet the physical and mental requirements I quite frankly don’t care if they serve. I’m a fence sitter on this one.
Good little liberal
May 31st, 2011
5:43 pm
Logical Dude
” There still will only be “military people”.
No. That would be DADT. The whole purpose to get rid of that policy is so gay people could be openly gay in the military. That’s not exactly like the group that likes to skateboard on the weekend. it’s not exactly a hobby.
Joe Mama
May 31st, 2011
5:43 pm
Kayaker — “The liberals are scared of people like this.”
I’m not scared of Congressman West. Some of the people he surrounds himself with, though, seem pretty unbalanced. And I think one would be well-advised to watch their back around that crowd. One of his hangers-on (I forget if she had some position in his campaign) expressed a view that ‘if ballots don’t work, bullets will.’
IMO, that’s kind of scary. Don’t you think so?
“They represent pragmatic, responsible thought”
Which is why West received Article 15 punishment and pretty much *had* to retire from the Army, right?
jewcowboy
May 31st, 2011
5:43 pm
Dave R.,
You are good…you responded with my own words before I posted
Joe Mama
May 31st, 2011
5:45 pm
stands — “Now, the non-serious one: It delights me to no end to see jagoffs like you melting down over stuff like this. ha ha ha ha. (and so forth.)”
OMG, hez gonna catch teh s00par-ghey in the shower!!!111!!NOPONIES!!111!!ELEVENTY!!!
josef nix
May 31st, 2011
5:46 pm
Hillbilly…
Good little liberal
May 31st, 2011
5:46 pm
stands for decibels
He’s not melting down. It’s a logical point. Unwanted stares are offensive. Unwanted touching is criminal, no matter the orientation.
Hillbilly D
May 31st, 2011
5:46 pm
And not to put too fine a point on it, the book was primarily about the “one-car accident”, the Chevrolet Corvair…
If you’ve got one now, it’s worth some money. A friend of mine’s Daddy had 15-20 of them, parked out in the pasture, and he did pretty well on them.
It says I’m posting too fast again, so I’ll take the hint and go for a while.
stands for decibels
May 31st, 2011
5:47 pm
I think we should do away with separate quarters for women and shower stalls too since according to you tools, the sexual orientation of individuals is no longer an issue in the military. If there is nothing wrong with a lesbian openly gawking at your daughter in the shower, there’s nothing wrong with every jarhead in the service being afforded the same view and opportunity. Equal for all, right?!!
Two reactions to this. First, the serious one: If the various service branches find that they could cope with such changes, I’d support such a measure. In fact, I think so much of our fighting men and women, I don’t think coed showers would be any big deal for them right now, if that’s what they were called upon to do.
Now, the non-serious one: It delights me to no end to see jagoffs like you melting down over stuff like this. ha ha ha ha. (and so forth.)
jewcowboy
May 31st, 2011
5:48 pm
Dave R.,
“I have dealt with government acquisitions, and even three years is stretching it, especially for cars.”
Ahh…but it wasn’t 3 years…iWatch News is saying they increased in the 1st 2 years of the Obama admin, which means they were most likely included in a budget in 2007 or 2008, then approved, and then went through the requisition process to be delivered in 2009 – 2010.
You can blame the Democrats in Congress for approving the budgets if you want, but you really can’t blame them on the Obama admin.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 31st, 2011
5:48 pm
Kayaker, West is a black conservative, so the lib’s will malign him in anything he says or does. As for his military career any NCO or commissioned officer who wouldn’t do everything or anything to protect their troops lives aren’t worthy of wearing the uniform. Anyone whose really been there knows that to be true.West proved himself worthy.
Good little liberal
May 31st, 2011
5:49 pm
josef nix
That’s the difference in that good old “whatever you do in your own privacy thing. The military is not about privacy. So should men be able to “do it” in the barracks? If a man is a gawker in the shower, should other men have the right to complain?
Hillbilly D
May 31st, 2011
5:49 pm
Josef
(I’ll stay long enough to answer your question). You can bring them in but there is some paper work involved. I’m not sure what would be involved with meeting emission standards. When I was working in high end cars, people used to do it with European Mercedes, etc. Sometimes they are hard to get parts for because some of the parts aren’t applicable to U. S models. They’re called “gray-market” cars.
stands for decibels
May 31st, 2011
5:49 pm
If you’ve got one now, it’s worth some money.
One of the first cars I ever test-drove was a late-60s Corvair.
(It was slow. But I was sorely tempted. and yeah, if I’da kept her… hey wait a second, if I’d kept the car I actually bought instead, it’d be worth a pretty penny too.)
RW-(the original)
May 31st, 2011
5:50 pm
Weinergate could be problematic for Jay B if ol’ Anthony ends up resigning over his Twitter habits….allegedly …. since he’s already set the precedent of posting the offending pictures during the special election.
/and I so wanted to put an r in place of that l in the last word.
josef nix
May 31st, 2011
5:50 pm
GLL
So the next time Unmentionable wants to get frisky and I don’t I should tell him to go skateboading. I’ll have to try that…
Logical Dude
May 31st, 2011
5:50 pm
Good little liberal says: The whole purpose to get rid of that policy is so gay people could be openly gay in the military”
And why is that bad again? Is it because OTHER people are SCARED to serve with gays? Come ON.
Let’s post this again so GLL can see the post AFTER their own post instead of BEFORE IT.
It feels like I’m watching “Primer” again.
If you have not seen “Primer” go watch it. You may need to watch it four or five times to catch the full timeline.
Ayn Rant
May 31st, 2011
5:51 pm
Great article, Jay! Holding a bigot to his avowed principles instead of his subliminal prejudices is fair play.
“Conservative Congressmen” are deniers, no-sayers, and obstructionists. They swear an oath to the Constitution, but don’t even understand the opening paragraph; “tranquility”, “liberty” and “general welfare” are concepts they cannot grasp. They dislike change, and are unaware that the world around them, including the air they breathe, is continually changing. “Conservatives” are fossils in the making.
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2011
5:52 pm
Dave R,
Did you read the bs piece that pogo posted?
It says:
“The “Limousine Liberals?” report from iWatch News, part of the nonprofit Center for Public Integrity, showed that government data pegged the number of limos in the federal fleet at 412 in fiscal 2010, up from 238 in fiscal 2008.
Some of the details are a bit hazy. Most of the new limos were obtained in fiscal 2009, which covered the very end of George W. Bush’s term and the first eight months of Obama’s — so the Bush administration could have initiated some of the purchases.”
So, the period in question covers 8 months of Obama and 16 months of Bush and yet the article is about “limosine liberals”.
You guys don’t even read your own propaganda, you just take the title and run with it.
stands for decibels
May 31st, 2011
5:53 pm
Seems there’d be a market for the Bug considering the aficinados…
j-nix, I heard something interesting about car-nostalgia awhile back. Seems the Euros aren’t nostalgic for the Beetle; they get misty-eyed, instead, for the 2CV.
(pretty much peas-in-a-pod when it comes to driveability nowadays, if you ask me…but then again, I can only imagine driving a 2CV, whereas I have driven a Bug…blechhh.)
robert
May 31st, 2011
5:53 pm
Sorry Granny- you and your cute little zingers don’t dent Rep. West. Quality individual.
kayaker 71
May 31st, 2011
5:54 pm
Joe Mama,
West received Article 15 punishment because of those in command didn’t agree with his method of interrogation. Some agree with it, some don’t. Stan McChrystal, one of the best Special Ops commanders in history, was relieved for criticizing his commanding officer. I cannot disagree with the McChrystal affair…. if he didn’t like Bozo, he should not have been so public with his comments and permitted his men to voice their opinions. West, however, can be criticized for a lot of things but concern for those he commanded is not one of them. Commanders, in the heat of the moment, make decisions that they think at the time, are the right thing. If not, they pay the price. But a few people in FL seemed to like what this man has to offer and I also like what he has to say. I don’t care what ethnic group he belongs to. It doesn’t matter. But this man has a political future in this country. First Republican since 1992 to join the Congressional Black Caucus. Wonder how that will go.
stands for decibels
May 31st, 2011
5:55 pm
First of all, it’s not Mr. West, it’s LTC West who had a proud and distinguished career in the U.S. Army.
Hey, K-71, does this mean henceforth you’ll be referring to Jeremiah Wright as “PFC Wright, 2nd Marine Division”?
Good little liberal
May 31st, 2011
5:55 pm
Logical Dude
Man up and lets talk. Third party is gossip is for middle school. Apparently, you don’t seem to want to address obvious questions. What’s wrong? Homophobic?
josef nix
May 31st, 2011
5:56 pm
Hillbilly
That too rapidly thingie is wearing me to a low thin gravey, too…and thanks for that info on the cars…that would explain it…
******
What IS it with some breeders, mostly always males, and showers? I just don’t get it…
RW-(the original)
May 31st, 2011
5:57 pm
josef,
Maybe it’s because I don’t post all that much, but when I do I seem to post as often as many that are complaining about the “too fast” message. I haven’t gotten it once posting from Chrome so it could be a browser compatibility thing if you’re using a different one.
midtownguy
May 31st, 2011
5:57 pm
Look at any research on attitudes toward any gay rights issue from DADT to marriage equality and it breaks most sharply along age group lines. To the under 30 crowd sexual orientation is a non-issue. So the conservatives can stomp and huff and puff and preach all they want, they have lost this one.
It’s just a matter of time.
Good little liberal
May 31st, 2011
5:57 pm
josef nix
I answered you, but went away. Maybe it will be back.
Brosephus
May 31st, 2011
5:59 pm
dB: Hey, K-71, does this mean henceforth you’ll be referring to Jeremiah Wright as “PFC Wright, 2nd Marine Division”?
You know it’s different for people who are non-conservatives aka “libruls”. “Libruls” are not capable of showing patrotism and serving their country.
Logical Dude
May 31st, 2011
5:59 pm
Good Little Liberal,
Apparently, you don’t seem to want to address obvious questions.
Tell me the “obvious” questions. Those have been hashed out over and over, and any “behaviour” that falls in the military code of ethics (justice?) is already defined.
The issue Jay presents is that only those who are against gays serving in the military are coming from the standpoint of “social experiments”. The only “social experiment” is seeing how those against gays react to serving with gays in the military (who happen to let people know that they are gay).
Tell me what “obvious’ questions you think are being missed here.
I wager that when gays are allowed to serve openly, the main result will a great huge gasp of uneventfulness as most of those in the military are professional and will abide by the rules quite well.
Good little liberal
May 31st, 2011
6:00 pm
Josef Nix
IS “breeders a term of endearment or some sort of heterophobic insult.
Don't Forget
May 31st, 2011
6:01 pm
josef nix
May 31st, 2011
5:56 pm
What IS it with some breeders, mostly always males, and showers? I just don’t get it…
I don’t know but the whole “soap on a rope” industry is based on it. lol
Joe Mama
May 31st, 2011
6:01 pm
josef — “What IS it with some breeders, mostly always males, and showers? I just don’t get it…”
I suspect that they’re afeard of someone they don’t want to have sex with looking at them in a sexual way. And when it happens to them all nekkid in the shower, well . . . that’s just scary to them. Gives them the vapors and makes them clutch their pearls. YOU know what I’m talking about.
Of course, the fact that women have been putting up with being leered at and ogled since there were women at all probably never enters their minds.
stands for decibels
May 31st, 2011
6:02 pm
I just don’t get it…
j-nix, if you really don’t get it, I will be happy to speak on behalf of all the boring heteros here.
There’s a lotta anxiety attached to group showering in the hetero-American community. Every moment spent wondering if you “measure up” is about 3/4 counter-balanced by wonderment over the notion of coed showering.
Hence the duality.
(also, what RW said.)
josef nix
May 31st, 2011
6:02 pm
GLL
Was that answer that got at 5:49?
And breeders…just one of “our” names for “y’all” so you’ll know your place!
Good little liberal
May 31st, 2011
6:02 pm
Joe Mama
Why don’t you walk around in public, naked?
@@
May 31st, 2011
6:03 pm
DAMN!
Everybody, regardless of political affiliation, has been bitching about it for a week to ten days, to no avail.
Hillbilly’s “quare” AND pithed.
Will we ever find out if someone is jerking Weiner around? Will it be an ongoing battle of “the bulge”?
If he’s been hacked, he should’ve made contact with law enforcement, not his lawyer.
RW-(the original)
May 31st, 2011
6:04 pm
What IS it with some breeders, mostly always males, and showers?
I blame Porky’s.
AmVet
May 31st, 2011
6:04 pm
Lots of people love b*tching about cars. And often for good reasons.
But let me tell you friends, whilst stationed in England I had a buddy who made the most hair-brained decision I have ever heard of. He bought an old Czech Skoda.
It ran even worse than it looked. And I almost three up the first time I saw it…
(It looked something like this one.)
http://www.roadsidepapergirls.com/images/e/K09939.jpg
Good little liberal
May 31st, 2011
6:05 pm
Josef Nix
We got a lot of names for you guys and we still use them whenever we want.
It’s fun.
midtownguy
May 31st, 2011
6:06 pm
“Breeders” is a derogatory term used to describe unattractive heterosexual persons. Let me use it in a sentence for you:
God, those fat middle- aged BREEDERS need to keep their shirts on when they are in OUR park (Piedmont)! That clear it up?
Good little liberal
May 31st, 2011
6:06 pm
AmVet
The girl or the car?
Joe Mama
May 31st, 2011
6:07 pm
kayaker — “Stan McChrystal, one of the best Special Ops commanders in history, was relieved for criticizing his commanding officer.”
With all due respect for you and General McChrystal, he was also deeply involved in the Pat Tillman debacle, and I’ll leave it at that.
“West, however, can be criticized for a lot of things but concern for those he commanded is not one of them.”
I certainly haven’t criticized him for it; I clearly said that, as a disabled veteran, I like that.
“Commanders, in the heat of the moment, make decisions that they think at the time, are the right thing. If not, they pay the price.”
As I pointed out, LTC West did pay that price. It sucks, but that’s how it is.
“I don’t care what ethnic group he belongs to. It doesn’t matter.”
I agree. Whatever differences of opinion I may have with Congressman West, his ethnicity doesn’t enter into it.
“But this man has a political future in this country. First Republican since 1992 to join the Congressional Black Caucus. Wonder how that will go.”
I start with a lot of respect for West’s military background and record, but I’d like him a lot better if he was more moderate and if he surrounded himself with people who were less shrill and hateful.
Moderate Line
May 31st, 2011
6:07 pm
Case-Shiller home-price index hits new low
The index pushed below its previous bottom hit in April 2009, confirming a much-feared double-dip in home prices.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2011/05/case-shiller-index-shows-home-prices-slide-into-double-dip.html
RW-(the original)
May 31st, 2011
6:09 pm
(also, what RW said.)
That’s no longer a safe statement around these parts. Much better to add or will say soon
stands for decibels
May 31st, 2011
6:09 pm
“Breeders” is a derogatory term used to describe unattractive heterosexual persons.
midtownguy, I’ve been hearing this insult for many years as well, but I never took it to mean exclusively “unattractive,” but rather, “annoying”.
And Good Little Troll-handle, do NOT tell me that this is the first time you’ve seen it in print or uttered. Even you aren’t quite that thick.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 31st, 2011
6:09 pm
Jay:
You forgot the Navy is pushing hard for some female SEALs.
The problem is, they don’t know how to lower the standards or look the other way to get one.
Good little liberal
May 31st, 2011
6:10 pm
Joe Mama
“if he surrounded himself with people who were less shrill and hateful.”
Well there goes his chances to join the Congressional Black Caucus.
josef nix
May 31st, 2011
6:10 pm
Don’t Forget and Joe Mama…
I knew I was going to be sorry I asked!
“Of course, the fact that women have been putting up with being leered at and ogled since there were women at all probably never enters their minds.”
But…but..thass normal…
A little sidelight on that one…Unmentionable favorite passtime with the women he works with is to “set up” one of those men. He’s not somebody you’d “suspect” and he waits until the fellow is comfortable and treating him like “one of the guys.” Then he’ll say something “suggestive” in guy talk and when the fellow starts getting bent out of shape, the women folk will take to laughing and saying “now you know what it feels like, doncha?” Do they make the connection? Most times not…
Misty Fyed
May 31st, 2011
6:11 pm
hahahahaha….Just what we need…an all Gay/liberal military. Maybe than can go march in Afghanistan or organize a sit-in. …
Good little liberal
May 31st, 2011
6:12 pm
stands for decibels
NAh, I’ve heard bigots use it for years.
Bud Wiser
May 31st, 2011
6:13 pm
Granny Godzilla
May 31st, 2011
3:55 pm
I’ve read quite a bit about Mr. West. I do believe “words of wisdom” and “Allen West” do not belong in the same sentence….
Where from, Mediaatters, Huffington Pus, or KKK today?
Your intellectual vacancy sign is blinking again…here, I’ll toss you another bale of hay and a bucket of Kool Aid, that should help.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 31st, 2011
6:13 pm
“UPDATE: MIAMI ‘WAR ZONE’ DURING URBAN WEEKEND…
‘I was scared for my life’…
Poet ‘Da Real One’ Gunned Down In Front Of Miami Poetry Cafe…
Violent crime explodes in Myrtle during Black Bike Week; 8-hour hell…
Rib Fest At Rochester beach turns rowdy…
Riot On Long Island…
Urban Melee In Charlotte…
Chaos causes DNC concern for convention…
Unruly urban crowd shuts down Nashville water park…
Emanuel shuts down packed Chicago beach; ‘heat-related illnesses’…
REPORT: ‘Dozens of gang bangers’… ”
Posted as is from the DRUDGE REPORT.
Speaks for itself ………………………
P.S.
If Obama was having such a problem picking a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, why didn’t he just ask Ophra?
@@
May 31st, 2011
6:15 pm
Obama’s job approval among the military is even worse than among civilians
2012? All ballots must be counted…ESPECIALLY the military’s.
AmVet
May 31st, 2011
6:15 pm
LOL. GLL.
Fortunately the blokes were very considerate to us yanks.
Every Saturday night they’d bring in bunches of birds to the NCO club.
When I first got there, the First Shirt explained (at the new meat orientation) that there would be a bunch of pretty girls around and to be smart. Some of them were nice and some were shall we say, a bit more manipulative.
I was only 20 at the time and right then and there I promised myself I was going home the same way I went there – single!
Oh and I got bad news for ya…
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/05/republican-allen-west-joins-congressional-black-caucus/
josef nix
May 31st, 2011
6:16 pm
RW
“Much better to add or will say soon”
Get the verb tenses right…future perfect…will have said soon…
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 31st, 2011
6:20 pm
Remember:
Col. West got “cashiered” from the Army for being politically incorrect. Something about cranking off a .45 (wake up !) next to a terrorists head to get the location of a roadside bomb ………. thereby saving the lives of serveral of his men.
Oh, the horror !
P.S. Forgot this yesterday:
“A veteran is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to ‘The United States of America ’ for any amount, up to and including their life.”
getalife
May 31st, 2011
6:20 pm
con preachers that speak out against the gays turn out to be gay.
This guy will probably get caught in a gay bar.
Good little liberal
May 31st, 2011
6:20 pm
AmVet
Seems birds in the isles are either that subtle, hotness or rather unfortunate. And then there’s Kate.
It’s not bad news. Maybe he’ll talk some sense into them. Give them Herman Cain’s book. Great read.
RW-(the original)
May 31st, 2011
6:20 pm
Get the verb tenses right…future perfect…will have said soon
Aren’t you s’posed to be on vacation there, teach?
RW-(the original)
May 31st, 2011
6:22 pm
Not to mention the bat signal you just sent up for OREP
Brosephus
May 31st, 2011
6:25 pm
Not to mention the bat signal you just sent up for OREP
THAT was the bat signal going up. You said the name…..
kayaker 71
May 31st, 2011
6:26 pm
Joe Mama,
Transitions from being a commander of troops in a combat zone to being a member of Congress must be quite a trip. Also for his family, this must be quite a transition. I see that he wears his combat jump wings on his coat lapel and he still speaks like a troop commander. I am sure that he will see that those who you surround yourself with are a reflection of who you are. We are who we are, despite the expectations of others. I just hope that will succeed.
RW-(the original)
May 31st, 2011
6:27 pm
Brosephus,
My bad
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 31st, 2011
6:28 pm
Muslim Version of Adam & Eve:
http://www.secularnewsdaily.com/2011/01/12/comic-muslim-adam-and-eve/
josef nix
May 31st, 2011
6:29 pm
RW
haven’t heard from OREP in a while…hope he’s okay…
I’m supposed to be on vacation, but I’ve still gotta go in (didn’t have to today and the Bruin gave me two fun topics. He’s my friend today!)
And all this stuff about PDA…maybe I’m just a stick in the mud, but I was taught that it’s just plain vulgar and trashy. It’s like all those breeders you see slopping all over each other in public…THAT’s some equality we gay folks can do without…
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 31st, 2011
6:35 pm
BADA BING:
“Never squat while wearing your spurs !” Will Rogers
“I come from a rough neighborhood. It was so rough, I reached into some wet cement and found another hand!” Rodney Dangerfield