Words of wisdom from Allen West on gays in the military

In an appearance today at the Heritage Foundation, U.S. Rep. Allen West, a conservative Republican freshman from Florida and a former Army officer, was asked about the impact of “social experimentation” on our military, an apparent reference to the abolition of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy.

West responded (see the 30-minute mark in the video below):

“Let me put it very simple, the United States’ military exists to win the nation’s wars. When you join the military, it takes individual behavior and conforms it the military. Now, if we start to have a perspective and belief in this nation that the military conforms to individual behavior, then we have lost the understanding of what it means to be in the United States military. The rules are very clear in the United States military. If you don’t want to abide by the rules of the United States military, then don’t join.

But the U.S. military is not there as a social experiment and for those who will sit up there and say, Congressman, you should understand because you’re black. Unless I’m Michael Jackson, I can’t change my color. But people can change behavior. And you do not base being a part of the military on adjusting to individual behavior. That’s my concern. And when you look at what our young men and women have to contend with, we’re talking about men and women fifth and sixth tours in combat zones. Now is not the time to appease a very small special interest group and I’ll leave it at that.”

I concur wholeheartedly with the congressman’s statement. If you don’t want to abide by the rules of the U.S. military, don’t join. The military should not conform to an individual’s behavior; the individual conforms to the military, and now is not the time to appease a very small special interest group. I agree with all of that.

So, if you are one of that ever-shrinking minority who believe that gay Americans don’t have a right to full participation as citizens, including the right to help defend this country, don’t join the United States military. If you do join the United States military, you better be ready to change your behavior to conform to military rules, which now outlaw discrimination against gay Americans.

Amen, Brother West.

334 comments Add your comment

jms

May 31st, 2011
3:48 pm

what about the debt ceiling vote?

AmVet

May 31st, 2011
3:52 pm

Oh Lordy, this is bound to get the natives riled up…

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
3:52 pm

BRUIN

Wheee-doggies…first Beverley Hall and now this…you trying to win my favor or what? :-)

Mr Right

May 31st, 2011
3:54 pm

Wow Jay, you wrote something positive about a conservative!! I’m impressed !

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
3:55 pm

I’ve read quite a bit about Mr. West. I do believe “words of wisdom” and “Allen West” do not belong in the same sentence.

I bet he thinks he’s a Christian too……

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
3:58 pm

While In The Army, West Performed Mock Execution On An Iraqi Detainee. As Slate reports, “Army investigators learned that West participated in the August 2003 forcible interrogation of an Iraqi police officer thought to be involved in a plot to assassinate him and other soldiers. In their report, the investigators found that West directed four enlisted soldiers and a female civilian interpreter to punch and kick the Iraqi detainee repeatedly in an attempt to get information. The investigation also found that West brandished his pistol during the interrogation and fired it near the detainee’s head in a mock execution to scare the detainee into talking…Fourth Infantry Division commanding Gen. Raymond Odierno initially brought criminal charges against West, but a pretrial hearing officer recommended that those charges be dismissed. Instead, Odierno gave West an administrative punishment and fined him half a month’s pay for two months, or about $5,000. In spring 2004, West retired from the Army.” [Slate, accessed 5/20/10]

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carlosgvv

May 31st, 2011
4:00 pm

Guess what Jay? The US Military really does exist to defend us and win our nation’s wars. And, if we lose a major war, we will be under the control of a foreign power or just be totally crushed. So, you see, the Military really isn’t the place to be doing somebody’s social experiments. Cutting off your nose to spite your face never was a good idea.

Jay

May 31st, 2011
4:02 pm

And Granny, none of the “information” acquired by then Col. West ever panned out.

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:02 pm

Social experiment? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Mr Right

May 31st, 2011
4:04 pm

I’ve read quite a bit about Mr. West. I do believe “words of wisdom” and “Allen West” do not belong in the same sentence.

Granny–To tell you truth Mr West nor anyone else gives a hootin nanny what you believe !

Jay

May 31st, 2011
4:04 pm

I agree, Carlos.

So if you’re someone who can’t abide serving with gay people, don’t enlist. We don’t need our military effectiveness compromised by people who refuse to change their behavior and conform to the rules.

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
4:05 pm

carlosgov

and do you think Harry Truman experimented socially too?

it’s no experiment some folks are black and some folks are women and some folks are gay…..

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
4:06 pm

Bosch

Beat me to it!

One thing I learned as a young sprout coming to my own terms with this gay stuff…them that puts up the most fuss are most generally hiding something and suffer disproportionately from GWIDLN.

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
4:07 pm

Mr Right

I bet all the boys down at the Water Buffalo Lodge just hang on your every word….

Kamchak

May 31st, 2011
4:07 pm

Granny–To tell you truth Mr West nor anyone else gives a hootin nanny what you believe !

Nor anyone else?

Who, exactly, granted you the authority to make such an all inclusive statement like that?

I certainly didn’t grant you the authority to speak for me, sport.

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
4:07 pm

There are going to be numerous unexplained booms around the metro area today. That will probably be the response after reading that post all the way through. Nice plot twist there Jay…

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
4:08 pm

GRANNY

And Harry belonged to the Sons of the Confederate Veterans (had to get that in there Imam!)

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:09 pm

josef,

Indeed. What’s the saying about those that profess too much? I think Scout needs to do some inner reflecting. ;)

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:11 pm

none of the “information” acquired by then Col. West ever panned out.

WAIT! But, but, but, isn’t that how we got bin Laden????? :roll:

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:13 pm

“Wow Jay, you wrote something positive about a conservative!! I’m impressed !”

Reading comprehension….some has it…..some don’ts.

Left wing management

May 31st, 2011
4:13 pm

Actually I think the military is the perfect place for ’social engineering’. It’s the perfect little laboratory.

Hey, speaking of which, didn’t the US Air Force conduct secret experiments in which they got subjets drugged up on LSD to observe behavior and see how close to madness they could be driven?

Maybe they could continue the tradition in the other branches and have wild ecstasy-fueled raves and see what that does to moral.

Stonethrower

May 31st, 2011
4:13 pm

Letters were written to the US Army leadership by politicians who were in full support of Congressman West and his actions referenced by Granny. As Mr. Right put it, Mr. West nor anyone else gives a hoot what you believe. People are still going to support him and his views.

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
4:13 pm

Damn that too fast thingie…

BOSCH

Is Scout here? I’m supposed to pick on him under orders from last p.m. :-)

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:13 pm

“There are going to be numerous unexplained booms around the metro area today.”

And around Villa Rica if I’m remembering correctly…..

:)

poison pen

May 31st, 2011
4:14 pm

Kamchak

May 31st, 2011
4:07 pm
Granny–To tell you truth Mr West nor anyone else gives a hootin nanny what you believe !

Nor anyone else?

Who, exactly, granted you the authority to make such an all inclusive statement like that?

I certainly didn’t grant you the authority to speak for me, sport.

Me either.

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
4:15 pm

This must be the slippery slope the right talks about…..first gays in the military and next thing you know we’ll have to let goats and donkeys enlist…..and then we’ll have to let them join up with the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast Guard all at the same time…

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:15 pm

josef,

It’s only a matter of time before Scout gets here — his inner gaydar will go off if there’s a thread where he can post how all the homosexuals are a perversion and doomed to roast for all eternity, or some kind of craziness like that.

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
4:15 pm

And around Villa Rica if I’m remembering correctly…..

Yep. Don’t know if you saw it, but there were some recently around Hampton, VA a few weeks back.

:)

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
4:16 pm

Bosch – ya’ know I love you too….

Kamchak

May 31st, 2011
4:17 pm

…nor anyone else…

Oy to the vey!

We have another with a Napoleon complex.

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:18 pm

“first gays in the military and next thing you know we’ll have to let goats and donkeys enlist…”

This is why I love Mrs. G. as I do….

:)

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
4:18 pm

poison pen

“All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful,
The Lord God made them all.”

poison pen

May 31st, 2011
4:20 pm

She sure do love animals. go granny go.

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
4:23 pm

Brosephus

Well, I guess I know where you stand…all y’all melanin enriched think alike, you know… :-)

jt

May 31st, 2011
4:25 pm

The “right” to defend this country?
.
There go the progs again…………pulling “rights” out of their nether regions.

RB from Gwinnett

May 31st, 2011
4:25 pm

I think we should do away with separate quarters for women and shower stalls too since according to you tools, the sexual orientation of individuals is no longer an issue in the military. If there is nothing wrong with a lesbian openly gawking at your daughter in the shower, there’s nothing wrong with every jarhead in the service being afforded the same view and opportunity. Equal for all, right?!!

I guess I should never expect people with no morals to understand….

Kamchak

May 31st, 2011
4:25 pm

She sure do love animals.

Well, so do I.

Grilled
Baked
Sauteed
Fried
Fricasséed

AmVet

May 31st, 2011
4:26 pm

Granny, if you look very closely, you’ll see two military officers in the bushes, with binoculars..

http://tinyurl.com/3pjdrwn

pogo

May 31st, 2011
4:27 pm

Do you or don’t you? Blah, Blah, Blah. The old “Gays in the Military” Fluff piece. Yea, there’s an important issue.

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:30 pm

I think we should do away with separate quarters for women and shower stalls too since according to you tools, the sexual orientation of individuals is no longer an issue in the military.

RB,

Gender is one thing….sexual orientation is another….

@@

May 31st, 2011
4:31 pm

So in other words….”STRAIGHTEN up and fly RIGHT.”

Sorry, couldn’t resist.

There are no individuals in the military, only team members.

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:31 pm

Mrs. G.,

And RB seems to have an unhealthy obsession with showers and lesbians.

Dave R.

May 31st, 2011
4:32 pm

I’m just shocked that Granny admitted to reading a book that didn’t require crayons to finish it . . . ;)

Seriously, I’m just glad that Jay didn’t get through the entire day without slamming a Republican.

Might have truly been the end of the world.

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
4:33 pm

And usually he that from his high horse talks condesendingly about morals to others has issues of his own…..

Yes, we know all about those folks and their family values….

carlosgvv

May 31st, 2011
4:34 pm

Jay, Bosch, Granny

So, in your book, political correctness tops national defense. That’s really scary.

AmVet

May 31st, 2011
4:34 pm

It strikes me that I’d rather be covered in honey and tied to an anthill for 45 minutes rather than watch the non-Batman talk in Republispeak to those pinheads at the Heritage Foundation.

I bet his theme song blows too…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jgE-lrfZ3k&feature=related

N-GA

May 31st, 2011
4:36 pm

Jay,

The next thing you know our servicemen & women will have to stop taking illegal drugs, stop eating so much that they become too fat to do their jobs, stop hating on their commanding officers, stop wearing scuffed footwear and unpressed uniforms…I mean isn’t it going to become too hard to be a soldier?

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
4:37 pm

Meh…bigots like West will always spout their drivel. Luckily we have people like Staff Sargent Eric Alva, first Marine seriously injured in the Iraq War to combat their inane twaddle. I have great faith in the men and women of our armed forces that they will be able to comport themselves like the majority of civil society does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Alva

#1 Foxy Lady

May 31st, 2011
4:38 pm

I agree with Jay and this Peter Allen fellow. If you don’t want to follow the rules in the military:

…. well, you know.

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
4:38 pm

Dave R

It would also the surprise you I read a lot of things for which I use a yellow highlighter…..

After 1/2 a century I still have good study habits.

Thanks Nuns.

kayaker 71

May 31st, 2011
4:38 pm

Guess I’ll have to wade in here and be the distaff voice. First of all, it’s not Mr. West, it’s LTC West who had a proud and distinguished career in the U.S. Army. He was a battalion commander in Iraq with the 4th Infantry Division when he interrogated an Iraqi police officer who had information about an upcoming attack on his area of responsibility. He fired his handgun, not at, but near the head of said suspect in an attempt to gain information, which was successful and prevented an upcoming attack that could have cost American lives.
Army General Ray Odinero, then convened an Article 32 hearing and threatened to court martial LTC West just 72 hrs prior to the date when he would qualify for retirement which would have stripped him of all retirement benefits. Fortunately, this was reviewed by higher ups and reversed.
At the hearing, LTC West said that he would “walk through hell with a gasoline can” if it would save one of his men. Granny, especially Granny and most of the rest of you liberal pukes wouldn’t understand that kind of devotion from a commander of troops if it hit you in the head. LTC West was and is an honorable man who thought more of those under him than for his own security or his future. Of course, I am a racist and don’t like black people so this opinion probably won’t be viewed with much credibility. Wish we had more commanders like this. We might have to send home a few less body bags.

Dave R.

May 31st, 2011
4:39 pm

“So, in your book, political correctness tops national defense. That’s really scary.”

Carlos, there is nothing that jeopardizes national defense with a repeal of DADT. Nothing.

Those that defend the principles under which this nation was founded do not get to pick and choose which ones they like or don’t like. And equality should be defended above ALL others.

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
4:39 pm

I find it strange though that people like West are concerned with such a non-event when a bigger threat to the military looms: Obesity.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/10/101018165430.htm

carlosgvv

May 31st, 2011
4:40 pm

jewcowboy

So, I guess the Commandant of The Marine Corps is also a bigot? What would we do without brilliant people like you to set us straight?

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:40 pm

carlos,

So in your book having homosexuals serve in the military is compromising national defense?

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
4:40 pm

carlosgvv

May 31st, 2011
4:34 pm
Jay, Bosch, Granny

So, in your book, political correctness tops national defense. That’s really scary.

I’m sure there’s plenty of room under your bed to hide….

you couls hide in the closet instead….but eventually even you would have to come out….

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
4:41 pm

josef

You know us, one monolithic hunk of chocolate that would make Hershey, PA envious. ;)

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:41 pm

“Of course, I am a racist and don’t like black people so this opinion probably won’t be viewed with much credibility.”

Glad we can agree kayaker.

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
4:42 pm

carlosgvv,

“What would we do without brilliant people like you to set us straight?”

Be lost in the woods I suppose.

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
4:43 pm

Kayaker 71

liberal pukes? is that manly soldier talk?

or just plain kayakeese?

Dave R.

May 31st, 2011
4:44 pm

“You know us, one monolithic hunk of chocolate that would make Hershey, PA envious.”

But don’t forget Brosephus, there be some white chocolate out here as well! ;)

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
4:44 pm

carlosgvv,

“So, I guess the Commandant of The Marine Corps is also a bigot? ”

Um…if he doesn’t recognize that the sexual orientation of people like Staff Sergent Alva has nothing to do with them being a brave and selfless soldiers, I suppose so.

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
4:47 pm

jewcowboy

Aw, that Alva feller is a Messican…send him back where he came from with Helen…

Speaking of which, the IDF seems to have “gotten over it” and their command may be lots of things, but liberal they ain’t…

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
4:48 pm

“Almost one in four applicants to the military are rejected for being overweight or obese — it’s the most common reason for medical disqualification,” Cawley said. “With an active war in Afghanistan and continuing operations in Iraq, it is well-known that the military is struggling to recruit and retain soldiers. Having a smaller pool of men and women who are fit enough to serve adds to the strain and creates even more problems for national defense.”

“Military spending on obesity is over $1 billion annually already,” Cawley said. “It’s more than the military spends on treating tobacco- and alcohol-related illness combined.”

But having a gay man or woman who can pass the fitness requirements is a problem, huh?

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:49 pm

“But having a gay man or woman who can pass the fitness requirements is a problem, huh?”

Apparently of epic national security proportions!! :roll:

Thulsa Doom

May 31st, 2011
4:50 pm

including the right to help defend this country, – JB

Aaaahhhh. yes. Does the rights revolution never cease with liberals? Is there anything that they don’t think someone has a right to? On top of the idea that everyone has a right to health care- paid for by other people’s tax dollars of course, we now have this.

Jay, Nobody has a right to serve in the military. The military decides if it wants you and it discriminates every day against people who are too short, too tall, too fat, too stupid, etc. to meet the military’s entrance requirements.

Personally I don’t care if we do or don’t have gays in the military. But don’t tell me they have some kind of inalienable right to serve. They do not.

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
4:52 pm

Bosch,

“Apparently of epic national security proportions!! ”

Or just unnaturally intrigued with gay men and women’s shower habits ;)

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
4:53 pm

Dave

How else can you make the swirl patterns. :)

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
4:56 pm

“But don’t tell me they have some kind of inalienable right to serve. They do not.”

They most certainly do if they meet the same requirements straight people do. And as Jay wrote, you don’t like that, don’t join.

kayaker 71

May 31st, 2011
4:58 pm

Oh, one more thing. Since West is a conservative Republican, why would Bookman put much stock in what he has to say? We all know that conservative Republicans, especially if they are black, have nothing to say of any import. They are just misguided, unfortunate souls who are obviously not paying attention. The opinions of people like this don’t deserve any credence, especially when they are trying to be good troop commanders. I guess when the mortars hit West’s command post, he can go out knowing that at least he was politically correct. That might serve to be of little solace to the families of those who died, however.

Joe Mama

May 31st, 2011
4:58 pm

Kayaker — “He was a battalion commander in Iraq with the 4th Infantry Division when he interrogated an Iraqi police officer who had information about an upcoming attack on his area of responsibility. He fired his handgun, not at, but near the head of said suspect in an attempt to gain information, which was successful and prevented an upcoming attack that could have cost American lives.”

I’ve looked closely into this, and there’s no evidence that the suspect had any such information at all. The suspect *did* provide information, but the information appears to have been worthless and was of no tactical or strategic value.

“Army General Ray Odinero, then convened an Article 32 hearing and threatened to court martial LTC West just 72 hrs prior to the date when he would qualify for retirement which would have stripped him of all retirement benefits. Fortunately, this was reviewed by higher ups and reversed.”

LTC West *did,* however, receive Article 15 nonjudicial punishment, so his punishment wasn’t exactly “reversed,” and West *admitted* that he’d done wrong. He was still punished (in fact, he paid a pretty stiff fine), but the punishment was of a character that permitted him to retire and receive retirement benefits. Note that it is rather unusual for a field-grade officer (Major or above) to receive Article 15 punishment. LTC West retired shortly after these matters were disposed of; his actions can fairly be looked at as career-ending.

“At the hearing, LTC West said that he would “walk through hell with a gasoline can” if it would save one of his men.”

As a disabled veteran myself, I like this, but LTC West did violate procedure and policy, and leaders have to set the example — and be held strictly accountable for failing to do so.

Here, have a look at the statements from the involved parties:

http://www.aclu.org/files/projects/foiasearch/pdf/DODDOACID000105.pdf

pogo

May 31st, 2011
4:59 pm

Flash mobs here, gang-bangers there. Seems to be an acceleration of the downward spiral of civility in this country, doesn’t there? If one needs proof, just like at the headlines in the AJC today and what happened in Chicago and Charlotte this last weekend. The seeds that the progressives planted many years ago in this country are now sprouting. A Revolution of the very ugliest kind is on our doorstep.

Of course, I could be wrong, but I don’t think so. Not when you have so many un-employed and so many that are now totally dependent upon a government who doesn’t have the money to fulfill the promises that they made to them in turn for their votes. The progressives big mistake was thinking in the 60’s that they would always have the revenue to just keep on spending. Well now they don’t and they are not going to.Don’t think for one minute that those that were promised everything won’t turn on their supposed benefactors. They will when they get desperate. Increased taxing won’t even touch the problem and we all know that new private sector job creation in this country is history for a variety of reasons including the EPA, Unions, Corporate Greed, Environmental Groups, etc, etc. There’s plenty of blame to go around but that doesn’t change the fact that everybody should be prepared for what is coming.

Adam

May 31st, 2011
4:59 pm

Thulsa: Does the rights revolution never cease with liberals?

Oh no! Not RIGHTS! We wouldn’t want anything like THAT to happen…. *goes through airport security*

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
4:59 pm

jewcowboy

The really funny thing to me is how many of those making these comments are trolls…look at them? Cover your eyes and run…!

AmVet

May 31st, 2011
5:00 pm

“Does the rights revolution never cease with liberals?”

Not this one.

Not since I first heard these words:

My brother need not be idealized, or enlarged in death beyond what he was in life; to be remembered simply as a good and decent man, who saw wrong and tried to right it, saw suffering and tried to heal it, saw war and tried to stop it. ~Robert Kennedy

pogo

May 31st, 2011
5:00 pm

And what about this?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/31/limousine-liberals-report-shows-government-limo-fleet-swelling/

This arrogant @$$ is telling us we “regular” people must economize meanwhile he increases the luxury level for his political pals in Washington

N-GA

May 31st, 2011
5:00 pm

Thulsa – There is no “right” to serve in the military. However, do you believe that all American citizens have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Do you believe all American citizens have the right to equal treatment under the law?

Just curious….

Jefferson

May 31st, 2011
5:01 pm

As long as they have been armies, there have be homosexuals in armies… nothing new.

Logical Dude

May 31st, 2011
5:01 pm

Guess what people. GAYS ARE ALREADY IN THE MILITARY!!!!

And gues what? They have NOT hindered the security of the nation! Wow!

So Guess what else? It’s not that the person is GAY. That’s perfectly fine, legal, and good to go. That has been the law since “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” became law. (There were gays serving previously, but those with jitters kept trying to keep them out.). So, the only issue is whether someone else KNOWS if the GAY person is there. Let me repeat that. THE ONLY ISSUE IS WHETHER SOMEONE ELSE [B] KNOWS [/B] IF THE [B] GAY [/B] PERSON IS THERE.

So if it’s not about whether someone is gay. The only “social experiment” would be to see how people react to serving with gays (who happen to let people know about it). If you sign up for the military, you better believe you’ll be serving with gays. If you have an issue with it, don’t serve in the military.
Let me repeat that. IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE SERVING WITH GAYS IN THE MILITARY, THEN DON’T SERVE IN THE MILITARY.

DUH.

Chief

May 31st, 2011
5:02 pm

“I guess when the mortars hit West’s command post, he can go out knowing that at least he was politically correct. That might serve to be of little solace to the families of those who died, however.”

So our troops would be safe from mortar fire as long as the command post has only straight soldiers….?

Logical Dude

May 31st, 2011
5:02 pm

Chie’f post showed up after mine, even though I JUST posted.
Chief

May 31st, 2011
5:02 pm

So I think the time-warp is still occuring.

Bill

May 31st, 2011
5:03 pm

That black Americans are now at the forefront in trying to deny fellow citizens civil equality is too, too much.

I love it.

So will history.

RB from Gwinnett

May 31st, 2011
5:04 pm

“Gender is one thing….sexual orientation is another….’

How so?

Logical Dude

May 31st, 2011
5:04 pm

and right after I posted my 5:02, josef’s 5:05 posted.
josef nix

May 31st, 2011
5:05 pm

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
5:05 pm

CHIEF

As my boy says…when I’m out doing IED disposal, first thing I wanna know from my back up is whether or not he’s got his eye on my ass or not… and if something goes wrong, don’t send no f*g medic, just let me bleed to death untouched by impure hands… :-)

Kamchak

May 31st, 2011
5:07 pm

So our troops would be safe from mortar fire as long as the command post has only straight soldiers….?

Yep.

Haven’t you heard?

There’s a new tactical defense system called the “Jesus Shield.”

Designed by Pat Robertson.

Hillbilly D

May 31st, 2011
5:08 pm

What is going on with the posts here lately?

Everybody, regardless of political affiliation, has been bitching about it for a week to ten days, to no avail.

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
5:09 pm

josef nix,

“Speaking of which, the IDF seems to have “gotten over it” and their command may be lots of things, but liberal they ain’t…”

What is going on with the posts here lately? Your post all of sudden just inserted itself like 5 minutes later. And evidently posting every 5 minutes is too fast. Perhaps I need a Royal typewriter instead…

But yes, the IDF has proven when there is a need inconsequential things like sexual orientation can be tossed aside. Kind of like in times of peace, discharges under DADT soared, and then in times of conflict they dropped significantly. I guess when you need boots on the ground, who someone kisses in their private time isn’t quite so important.

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
5:12 pm

pogo,

“he increases the luxury level for his political pals in Washington”

You do realize there is not a universal definition for “limousine” in the federal gov’t, don’t you? Is a Tahoe considered a limousine, or only when it is painted black?

In a statement, GSA spokeswoman Sara Merriam said, “The categories in the Fleet Report are overly broad, and the term ‘limousine’ is not defined,” adding that “vehicles represented as limousines can range from protective duty vehicles to sedans.” Asked whether the GSA actually knows how many limos it has in its fleet, Merriam responded that GSA “cannot say that its report accurately reflects the number of limousines.”

Dave R.

May 31st, 2011
5:13 pm

“I guess when you need boots on the ground, who someone kisses in their private time isn’t quite so important.”

Unless you’ve been kissing the commanding General’s trophy wife . . . :D

So I’ve heard . . . ;)

Joe Mama

May 31st, 2011
5:14 pm

Doom — “The military decides if it wants you and it discriminates every day against people who are too short, too tall, too fat, too stupid, etc. to meet the military’s entrance requirements.”

Height, weight and fitness all have a bearing on a prospective soldier/sailor/airman/Marine’s ability to perform his or her duties; sexuality does not. The toughest and most hard-core soldier I ever served with was a lady from upstate NY; it was common knowledge that she was gay, and no one in the unit cared. Having served with male and female soldiers, I don’t think it really matters what variety of genitalia you’re packing in your BDUs, and I don’t think it really matters what variety of genitalia you’re interested in having fun with off duty. If you can do the job, behave professionally and keep your wits about you in an emergency situation, I don’t really care what else about you.

In regards to fitness — I don’t know if the Navy does this, but the Army’s got a pre-boot-camp fitness regimen for initial entry soldiers who have trouble meeting either the body fat or PT standards; they’ll Jack LaLanne you for a few weeks until you’re good to go. I knew a couple guys in my platoon in boot camp who went through it, and they were highly motivated to succeed. They credited that fitness program for giving them a leg up in boot.

I personally wouldn’t have a problem with female soldiers serving in combat arms (infantry, artillery, armor), provided they were held to the same physical standards as their male counterparts (there are two sets of PT standards) and provided they *wanted* to do so. If a female troop wants to go infantry and she’s strong enough to sling my big wounded carcass over her shoulder and carry me to the aid station, then I say more power to her.

AT

May 31st, 2011
5:15 pm

I don’t understand your logic Jay. Sexual preference/orientation did not prevent anybody from serving in the military. Plenty of gay service men and women have served and served well. It is only now that they are asking and getting recognition for their sexual preference/orientation based on their individual needs/desires. How does getting this recognition now put everyone else, who do not think sexual preference is something to be considered in the military, on the other side of the fence, with no voice for opinion? Seems a bit circular to me…

RW-(the original)

May 31st, 2011
5:16 pm

Dang, I thought sure we’d have a Weinergate thread over here.

:-)

How is everyone?

/and where will posting roulette put this comment…

kayaker 71

May 31st, 2011
5:17 pm

Chief,

I haven’t said a word about who was manning the command post. The conversation was centered around West, not about gays. None of my posts today have broached the subject of gays in the military and will not.

jewcowboy

May 31st, 2011
5:18 pm

Oh and pogo,

You do realize that the procurement process for most of those “limousines” would have begun under President Bush in 2007 and 2008, right?

Thulsa Doom

May 31st, 2011
5:20 pm

Adam,

You can have all the “rights” you want- as long as they don’t infringe upon others liberty. For example I’m cool if you give yourself a right to health care- as long as you of course pay for it.

N-GA,

However, do you believe that all American citizens have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

Yep. And you can pursue all of those things without having to serve in the military.

Do you believe all American citizens have the right to equal treatment under the law?

You’re right. We have to treat them all equally. So now we should tell the marines to let all the obese people that want to join the corps go right ahead and join. Same with all the people that are too short or too tall or who couldn’t get in because of poor scholastics. We want to treat them all fairly too don’t we?

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
5:20 pm

JOE

Back when women in combat first came up, there was a little feller, a Marine I do believe he was, going on and on about the weaker sex. Not saying a word, one of my bull d*ke friends got up went across the room, picked him up, swung him around a few times and slammed his ass back in the chair, said nothing else and sat back down. Point made. One of the gay men in the group says, “and watch out. PMS hasn’t even set in…” :-)

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

May 31st, 2011
5:21 pm

Well, I got a strong opinion against gays in the military but now I know #1 Foxy Lady is around these parts I won’t say that opinion because she will probly tell me to . . . well, you know. Anyhow, I’d just as soon not know my buddy was gay. It might make for some awkward moments.

So I’ll just keep a quiet eye on this blog and see which one can make out of hisself the biggest south end of a horse going north.

Have a good night everybody.

Logical Dude

May 31st, 2011
5:21 pm

AT

See my 5:01 post:

The only “social experiment” would be to see how people react to serving with gays (who happen to let people know about it).

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

May 31st, 2011
5:22 pm

Jay, of course was not being complimentary toward Allen West and I think that U.S. Representative West the former LTC West will be a future topic on this blog quite often. His name gives the left cold shivers of fear.