Hall a cause, not victim, of cheating scandal

Atlanta Public Schools Superintendent Beverly Hall did not sit in a locked room, eraser in hand, changing wrong answers to right answers on standardized tests. Absent a blockbuster revelation in a state report expected to be released soon, Hall also did not preside over staff meetings in which she directed or encouraged others to do so.

But let’s be blunt, because Hall will not: The responsibility is hers. The failure of moral and ethical leadership is hers. The evasion of accountability is hers. She set the tone, she created the high-stakes system of rewards and penalties driven by test scores, she chose to ignore the warning signs, and when given repeated chances to address the problems that she and her staff created, she refused the opportunity.

As a result, people may be going to jail. Others may lose their careers and professional reputations. The credibility of the school system that Hall led for a dozen years is in tatters and its operations paralyzed. Its capacity to deliver quality education to its schoolchildren has been compromised, and it will take years to recover.

Against that backdrop, Hall last week released a videotaped farewell to district personnel in which she grudgingly acknowledged a portion of the truth. The state investigation, she said, is likely to reach “some troubling, no some alarming conclusions.”

“It’s become increasingly clear over the last year that a segment of our staff chose to violate the trust that was placed in them,” Hall said. “And let me be clear: There is simply no excuse for unethical behavior and no room in this district for unethical conduct. I am confident that aggressive swift action will be taken against anyone who believes so little in our students and in our system of support that they turned to dishonesty as the only option.”

The statement is remarkable on several levels. Hall claimed there is “simply no excuse for unethical behavior and no room in this district for unethical conduct,” but the state report is likely to document the opposite conclusion: The breakdown of integrity was too large to be explained as random acts by random individuals, and instead reflected institutional failure. In fact, if the cheating was as widespread as many fear, otherwise ethical people may have felt pressured to cheat themselves as a means to keep pace with their peers.
That does not excuse those who operated unethically or criminally, but they alone should not bear the consequences of an environment that Hall and others created.

Hall also said she is confident that “aggressive swift action will be taken,” but the claim is laughable; the deadline for aggressive swift action passed long ago. This is belated action, action that in some cases will be more severe than if Hall and others, including the Atlanta School Board, had taken the problem more seriously when it first came to light.

However, the most striking element of Hall’s statement is her continued attempt to distance herself, as if she has been a passive witness to these events. She clearly implies that if others took unethical actions, if others “chose to violate the trust that was placed in them” and turned to dishonesty, then those others should be held responsible. She is not to blame for their shortcomings.

Again, if this were a few random actions by a few random individuals, Hall’s stance might be understandable. That’s not the case. Furthermore, these are people whom Hall put into positions of authority, operating in a system of her design and answerable to her. In fact, one of Hall’s more impressive achievements as superintendent was her ability to make a stubborn educational bureaucracy responsive to her priorities. She cannot now walk away as if she were somehow a victim, rather than a cause, of this scandal.

– Jay Bookman

291 comments Add your comment

Real Scooter

May 31st, 2011
7:18 am

Real Scooter

May 31st, 2011
7:18 am

Tamika

May 31st, 2011
7:22 am

Without a state level criminal probe APS would still be saying “What cheating?”

Normal

May 31st, 2011
7:24 am

Summer break rule number one…

http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/05/30/funny-pictures-dont-risk-lock-jaw/

Good Morning, all y’all…

Jay,
I guess it’s time to go back to dunce hats and spankings…for the Supervintendent and Principals.

Real Scooter

May 31st, 2011
7:25 am

Well,it’s just human nature to pass the buck.
Sad but true.

Mick

May 31st, 2011
7:25 am

You have to feel for the honest, hardworking teachers in the classroom, they have been soiled by this mess…

Mick

May 31st, 2011
7:37 am

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2011
7:39 am

I’m having a hard time with this one, Jay. While I can’t fault your criticism of Beverly Hall, and yes, in her farewell address she should’ve shouldered at least some of the responsibility… I can’t help but think that your piece is just a part of the problem, that we go on and on looking for individual heroes and villains, rather than doing the hard work of readjusting our priorities.

The high-stakes tests themselves are obviously a serious problem, as what seems a nearly nationwide shirking of responsibility to foot the bill for public education.

also, there’s this.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703864204576313572363698678.html

Emmanuel Hall

May 31st, 2011
7:41 am

There is no doubt in the mind of the sane that Mrs. Hall is and should be responsible for the APS troubles; however,I don’t believe she will be held accountable by law enforcement or the school board. I think that if she is found culpable in this scandal; she will still get paid, something I would hope the APS board would challenge.

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2011
7:45 am

Mick @ 7.37, thanks, but now I wish I hadn’t clicked the “previous” button and seen this heretofore-unseen-by-me ‘toon…

http://www.credoaction.com/comics/2011/05/once-upon-a-time/

Just too damn depressing.

Don S.

May 31st, 2011
7:48 am

As a former APS teacher, I agree wholeheartedly with this article’s conclusions. A fish rots from the head, not the tail. I left APS six years ago after hearing a principal tell another teacher, “you need to get your scores up and I don’t care how you do it.” Everything was always all about the scores, not about educating the students.

Bama Bill

May 31st, 2011
7:50 am

The facts are on the way and I am certain that the APS under the leadership of Hall will be proven corrupt ! The awards and recognition were all received with fraudulent achievement – this column is a very accurate account of failed and flawed leadership with a twist of criminally. The most remarkable thing is that Hall got away with this rubbish for so long ? Any classroom and school house educator clearly knew that the student test “improvement” was not real – so why didn’t the leaders of Atlanta and Georgia step in and save the students years ago ? Maybe former AJC opinion man Jeff Dickerson can spin the facts a little ?

Jay

May 31st, 2011
7:53 am

Those are good points, SFD. But part of my problem with Hall is that as a leader, she failed to protect her people. She put them in an environment containing a strong temptation to cheat, and didn’t implement safeguards to minimize that temptation.

Then, when signs of problems began, she should have intervened aggressively and ensured the problem was handled in-house. That probably would have precluded criminal charges in all but the most egregious cases. But by failing to respond, Hall abdicated her duty and forced the intervention of outside authority that will judge things far more harshly.

“Protecting your people” does not mean covering up for them, and yourself, after the fact.

USMC

May 31st, 2011
7:54 am

I applaud Jay for this article. This issue has been SWEPT under the carpet for too long.

Beverly Hall is yet just another example of the LIBERAL FAILURE of AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.

If Beverly Hall was not a black woman, she would have been FIRED long ago.

Treat people equally regardless of skin color.

“I Have a Dream”-MLK jr.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEMXaTktUfA

Bud Wiser

May 31st, 2011
7:56 am

This is what happens at any level of government bureaucracy when crony-ism is used as one of the appointment ‘qualifications’, whether it be for a job, or the awarding of a taxpayer funded contract.

Crimeny, all one has to do is look at the standardized test scores and the dropout rate to figure out that most of these students were not educated to the level of the common turnip; after all, one is isolated or stigmatized if they try to achieve scholastic success.

Jay

May 31st, 2011
8:01 am

USMC, that is such a bogus argument. The world is full of examples of white males who were also able to avoid responsibility.

Brad Steel

May 31st, 2011
8:02 am

This scandal’s damage to public education’s reputation and specifically to Atlanta’s reputation are pretty profound.

When business consider Atlanta for relocation and ask the question “where are the good schools?”, the answer will have to be “not in Atlanta.”

Sad, pathetic, and true. I’ll have to move if private schools are too expensive.

TnGelding

May 31st, 2011
8:10 am

A little strong, Jay.

Losers cheat and cheaters lose.

USMC

May 31st, 2011
8:10 am

“USMC, that is such a bogus argument.”–Jay bookman

No Jay, it’s not a bogus argument at all.

But I certainly understand why you won’t speak the truth with regard to the ridiculousness RACIAL quotas and YOUR naive and ignorant belief that Black people, and minorities in general, are inferior to Caucasians.

But that just has to do with your corrupt and morally bankrupt political views and intellectual dishonesty.

Are you seriously telling us that Beverly Harvard wouldn’t have been fired MUCH earlier if she had not been part of a “protected” class; a black woman?

joel chandler harris

May 31st, 2011
8:11 am

This Tar Baby don’t say nothin, but let’s just say Br’er Bar here has pretty much said what a lot of those of us are feeling. watching as Sis Rabbit heads off for the Briar Patch. He’s a lot nicer. There are not enough four letter Anglo-Saxon expletives available.

USMC

May 31st, 2011
8:13 am

“USMC, that is such a bogus argument. The world is full of examples of white males who were also able to avoid responsibility.”–Jay Bookman

Keep your head in the sand, Jay. I am sure it FEELS GOOD :-)

larry

May 31st, 2011
8:15 am

This is yet another of a prime example that education in this state , thanks to No Child Left Behind , is a joke. You have a cheating scandal at APS and you have a graduation scandal brewing in Hall County. Im sure if you do a little more digging , you could find other scandals brewing pertaining to education.

Mick

May 31st, 2011
8:16 am

usmc

Sorry, but you are way off base in your argument. This is not a liberal or conservative issue, it’s a right or wrong issue. Superintendents are given a wide berth to succeed or fail, she just failed and you have to inject her skin color? Regressive thinking – please move forward…

#1 Foxy Lady

May 31st, 2011
8:17 am

USMC, thanks for propagating the myth that blacks and women or black women are a protected class. Your racism proceeds your intelligence, which with your lack thereof should embarrass you every time you spew on this blog. But thanks for the random use of CApiTaliztions. It is a fine educational background.

SUCK IT!!! you racist.

stands for decibels

May 31st, 2011
8:17 am

that is such a bogus argument

Jay, when you’ve been indoctrinated to believe that liberals keep blacks down on the plantation, and that MLK Jr. was just a cuddly teddy-bear who, by 1968, had already achieved what he’d spoken of in that 1963 speech they love to quote out of context, it’s a perfectly valid argument.

(and consider the context. Next to “one is isolated or stigmatized if they try to achieve scholastic success”, USMC reads like Plato’s freaking Republic.)

Jay

May 31st, 2011
8:18 am

First, USMC, if you’re going to try to debate this, at least pay enough attention to get the basics right: Her name is Beverly Hall, not Beverly Harvard. Beverly Harvard is a former Atlanta police chief, also black and also female. Clearly, you’ve just put her into a category.

Second, this is a case in which Hall’s long string of accomplishments, including winning national superintendent of the year, gave her a lot of protection against critics. I have seen no evidence whatsoever that her race or gender played any role in this, nor have you.

Instead, as your confusion of the names suggests, you are responding with a generalized, knee-jerk reaction to a story involving a black female in a leadership position, without knowledge or even real interest in the actual details. You are forcing this story to fit a pre-existing narrative in your own head, regardless of the facts.

USMC

May 31st, 2011
8:21 am

“…and that MLK Jr. was just a cuddly teddy-bear who, by 1968, had already achieved what he’d spoken of in that 1963 speech they love to quote out of context, it’s a perfectly valid argument.”–Stands For Decibels

More ignorance form the Intellectually Bankrupt LEFT.

I actually went to school with Bunny, Dexter, and Marty (that would be MLK jrs. kids) and have a wonderful relationship with them, NOT because they are black, but because we grew up together and became close friends.

You can pontificate and spout your pseudo-intellectual garbage all you want, stand for decibels, as you can live in a dishonest world of racial/identity politics, as all of you Liberals do.

I am guessing don’t have any friends outside of your “hyphen”.
But honest people, black and white,

lewis

May 31st, 2011
8:23 am

That Hall accepted the amazingly high improvement rates on the CRCT at face value indicates she did not want to know how these results were achieved or she had an overwhelming sense of her own positive impact on the scores at the most basic level. Either is incredible to believe. I still am curious about how her great results were obtained in her previous post, which contributed to why Atlanta hired her in the first place. More probably, subordinates were told to get the test results up no matter what and she didn’t care how they did it.

SOUTHERN ATL

May 31st, 2011
8:24 am

But I certainly understand why you won’t speak the truth with regard to the ridiculousness RACIAL quotas and YOUR naive and ignorant belief that Black people, and minorities in general, are inferior to Caucasians.

But that just has to do with your corrupt and morally bankrupt political views and intellectual dishonesty.

USMC please tell me that you have more integrity than you speak on this blogs…you are a dishonor to the U.S. Military….Here is the cloud that really hangs over African Americans heads…Were you also a part of this movement??? You are a disgrace as having ever served in the armed forces..

Fifty years ago a group of young people rode buses south and faced vicious, state-condoned brutality with nonviolence. They emerged bloodied, bruised and victorious.

http://www.theroot.com/views/young-brave-and-freedom-bound?page=0,0&GT1=38002

Meli

May 31st, 2011
8:26 am

Thank you for pointing this out, but nobody is going to the extent they should go in pointing out the obvious: the entire 12 year record of APS’ supposed improvement in the quality of its education has been rendered a complete lie. And when all these corporations who relocated to Atlanta from the North start leaving in droves because they realize their kids aren’t receiving much more than a Third World education around here, leaving this city bankrupt and good people unable to escape the suction of the city going under, don’t say I didn’t warn you. Pack your bags now and prepare to flee, folks.

carlosgvv

May 31st, 2011
8:26 am

Jay, everything you say is true. I would also bet that Beverly Hall will leave the State with a nice fat severance check and find another well paying job in education somewhere else. And, she will face no legal charges. Only in America!!!!

Finn McCool

May 31st, 2011
8:27 am

Leadership failure. Sometimes we learn too late – like a decade after a person has been hired.

Not to diminish Jay’s point – I agree she is the tip of the iceberg – everyone else who worked in that environment is responsible.. People need to start questioning authority and turn themselves into whistelblowers. If something doesn’t look right or feel right, then there’s a good chance it isn’t right. The only way you can improve anything is to continuously challenge it.

Ed Johnson

May 31st, 2011
8:27 am

Thank you, Jay.

Finn McCool

May 31st, 2011
8:31 am

you are responding with a generalized, knee-jerk reaction to a story involving a black female in a leadership position, without knowledge or even real interest in the actual details. You are forcing this story to fit a pre-existing narrative in your own head, regardless of the facts

uh huh

race isn’t the culprit here – status, achievement, accolades – greed is the culprit. Self interest at the expense of those (the students) the position is supposed to serve, protect, and improve.

USMC

May 31st, 2011
8:31 am

“First, USMC, if you’re going to try to debate this, at least pay enough attention to get the basics right: Her name is Beverly Hall, not Beverly Harvard. Beverly Harvard is a former Atlanta police chief, also black and also female. Clearly, you’ve just put her into a category.”
–Jay Bookman

Sounds a little like “I’ve been to 57 states which you easily dismiss and downplay as a mistake; like my mistake with Hall’s last name.

You remember, don’t you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMo0WlSvrIY

Jay, Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt :-)

Once again, another example of Jay Bookman’s Intellectual Dishonesty and Bankrupted anti-American political views

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
8:32 am

USMC

You is what you is, and it’s a shame.

electrician

May 31st, 2011
8:38 am

LOOKS LIKE SHE’S SETTING IT UP TO TURN STATES EVIDENCE….LETS MAKE A DEAL

larry

May 31st, 2011
8:38 am

This has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with the quality of education in this state. And what superintendents will do and what length they will go to achieve results.

And thanks to cuts in pre-k , the quality is going to go down even further.

electrician

May 31st, 2011
8:39 am

ARRRGH caps lock

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
8:40 am

BRUIN–LEAVE that one in moderation! Ouch…wouldn’t be of the reactionary mode myself, now would I :-)

Jumping in here…

BRAD

“When business consider Atlanta for relocation and ask the question “where are the good schools?”, the answer will have to be “not in Atlanta.”

That will be the answer, but it is a wrong answer. There are some good schools in Atlanta.

USMC

And your neighborhood schools are among them…something to as proud of as you are the postal code, Ms Buckett…

JAY and USMC
Both of y’all have knee jerked the race element, left and right. Madame Mao was brought here under the gun, so to speak, to show that a Black superintendant could lead an overwhelmingly Black district to achieve on an equal par with White ones. She failed, but not because she was black or that her staff and students were largely so, but because of sucking up to the wrong people for the wrong reasons. If we’re going to bring race into it, then let’s do it honestly. She set out to impress the White folks from Up North with what Yankee missionaries could accomplish in bringing us colonial savages kicking and screaming into the world of their version of enlightenment, the Scriptures being the standardized tests….false prophet of a false religion, imho.

USMC

May 31st, 2011
8:40 am

“You is what you is, and it’s a shame.”–Granny Godzilla

It “sho” is Granny :-)

Normal

May 31st, 2011
8:41 am

Why does race always have to come into play with education? Ineptitude wears many colors. Beverly Hall failed to do her job. She didn’t fail because she is Black. She failed because she was under qualified causing her to be either too trusting of her people or too driven for results that just wouldn’t be there unless there was cheating.

With constant school cuts and expectations of the government for good results on minimum funding, I’m not surprised school official cheated.

Anyway, as long as some here keep saying Black bad; White good, I’m just going to quietly leave and shake my head in shame. This kind of thinking should have been over years ago.

Peadawg

May 31st, 2011
8:42 am

This situation seems a lot like the situation with Jim Tressell up at Ohio State. What’s taking Beverly Hall so long to resign?

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
8:42 am

USMC

Yep. “Sho” is.

Road Scholar

May 31st, 2011
8:44 am

Well, first, the fired eachers and administrators can run for political office…they have shown their qualifications…to be republicans!

USMC: Yeah, it was a lot better when white males were the only ones shown favoritism!(sarc)

Call it like it is

May 31st, 2011
8:44 am

So where does it all end, and who’s fault is it. You have Hall leaving in defeat because she forced her staff to cheat, you have Ohio’s coach Tressel leaving because he was cheating using ineligible players. Both people in high position’s with lots of power. Why? Because society demands performance, and morality has taken 2nd place to it. We don’t want to hear that Atlanta is 100th in the nation, but the kids have high morals. We want to hear Atlanta city schools are number 1. So where does one make the change? Look in the mirror.

USMC

May 31st, 2011
8:45 am

“…to show that a Black superintendant could lead an overwhelmingly Black district to achieve on an equal par with White ones…”–Josef Nix

This has NO place in education, sorry.
Why does a “black” woman have to be brought in to lead a “black” school district???
That is called r@cism and is flat out wrong!
Does a “white” superintendent need to lead a “white” school district? I think not.

That’s what’s wrong with people like Jay Bookman, who insist on using R@CE as a determining factor for who the best candidate for school superintendent should be.

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
8:45 am

I found out kind of by accident about a kid who wasn’t going to graduate, but then all of a sudden magically went from failing a class to passing and was able to, indeed, graduate. How you might ask? Instead of giving the kid the final exam that all the other kids took, this kid was given a dumbed down version — it wasn’t the regular Algebra exam, but they instead got to take the Personal Finance exam.

In high schools, the only measure of meeting standards is the graduation rate (I think) and people will do whatever it takes to make sure everyone graduates — even those who can’t read (as I’ve also seen).

larry

May 31st, 2011
8:45 am

This situation seems a lot like the situation with Jim Tressell up at Ohio State.

That reminded me of Watergate. The cover-up was worse than the actual crime.

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
8:47 am

I see it didn’t take long for someone to play the ignorance card, i.e. “race card”. I honestly believe Jay could start a discussion on today’s weather, and some of y’all will find a way to bring race or political leanings into the temperature reading.

One is so quick to point out race when discussing APS, but never say a damned thing about Gwinnett. Is it easier to point out the error of others and not your own? Until you’re ready to own up to your own shortcomings, you shouldn’t want to try to point a finger at others. When you do that, there are three fingers pointing back at you.

On B. Hall, as the head of the school system, all successes and failures fall at her feet. I’m sure she had no problems accepting the awards when everybody thought APS was succeeding, so she should take the blame when it’s failing. By trying to deflect the blame, she’s choosing to ignore a prime teaching/learning opportunity for those who’s education she was responsible for shaping. She could be teaching the lesson in personal responsibility but instead is teaching the art of dodgeball.

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
8:51 am

USMC

And you left out what I said about the wrong reasons…nobody, BUT nobody, wants to address that issue…to impress the Yankee missionary White Folks…if we’re going to play the race card, then let’s play it where it belongs…

Why, and I keep asking this question as do most of my peers, and getting no answer, do we not hire someone from within the system? The movers and shakers have bought into that insidious system that causes them not to have any faith in the product they’re trying to sell…side show medicine tent barkers, one and all…

Logic 88

May 31st, 2011
8:51 am

Hall either knew about the cheating or should have known about the cheating. She traveled the country telling everyone what a great job she was doing turning around Atlanta Public Schools. She now needs to be held responsible!

Greg

May 31st, 2011
8:52 am

Sadly, what you’ve written is true. Even sadder, the AJC and the former Governor are the only ones addressing the real issue. The mayor, sACs and the business community, seem only to care about the actions of a few board members. I just glad I don’t live in the city and don’t know any children who are subject to the system.

sadly in ATL

May 31st, 2011
8:53 am

Jay- rarely agree w you. you nailed this one. the real question remains-why did so many protect her for so long since it has been obvious she was complicit for so long? it was not race- they could not bear the thought they had made a mistake and were drinking (and selling) the cool-aid that we are making progress. When so many don’t kids don’t graduate and so many need remedial course work…… tell me, are we really helping students or warehousing them so adults can have jobs and people can feel good about their contributions to the community. lets face it. public schools are failing us and we don’t and won’t admit it. start over throw out the norm and make it functional to benefit the kids and society. until then take a number to failure. odds are overwhelmingly clear

robert

May 31st, 2011
8:53 am

“As a result, people may be going to jail”

How about we wake up as a country and stop reading one day that illegals “are the only ones who will work on….” coupled with an incredible incarceration rate. Michael Vick in jail or perhaps teaching inner city kids pe- marth stewart in jail or perhaps enabling at least one young kid to be a chef-

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 31st, 2011
8:55 am

Jay:

You used to try to denigrate me when I brought this up before. Those of us who serve/served didn’t need a Gallup Poll and it would be worse but a lot of active duty personnel are just holding back as he is “their” Commander in Chief.

That’s correct …… he’s my president but he is NOT my CIC since as a civilian I no longer come under his chain of command.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147839/Military-Personnel-Veterans-Give-Obama-Lower-Marks.aspx

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147839/Military-Personnel-Veterans-Give-Obama-Lower-Marks.aspx

Dana Blankenhorn

May 31st, 2011
8:55 am

I don’t disagree with you Jay. But let’s remember this was a bipartisan scandal. Michelle Rhee did the same thing in Washington, D.C. And she’s still being feted by conservatives as the very model of successful school reform.

So USMC is wrong. This has nothing to do with affirmative action. It has to do with unrealistic demands based on multiple guess tests, pushed by President George W. Bush under No Child Left Behind and approved by Congress — also endorsed (in large measure) by President Obama and last year’s Democratic Majority under Speaker Pelosi.

The real fault lies with us. We want shortcuts to excellence. Such shortcuts don’t exist. They must be paid for. If you want your kids to learn, they need good teachers. And the best teachers are worth whatever they can get, just like good CEOs and clutch hitters in baseball. The problem is we need more great teachers than great CEOs and great hitters.

poison pen

May 31st, 2011
8:55 am

Second, this is a case in which Hall’s long string of accomplishments, including winning national superintendent of the year, gave her a lot of protection against critics. I have seen no evidence whatsoever that her race or gender played any role in this, nor have you.

Jay, It looks like her critics must have been right and are you saying that someone like Tucker who ( cuts & pastes ) all her articles is protected because someone gave her the pulitzer?

You and most other people on this blog always complain about the Georgia schools, so I can only surmise that you are part of the problem also because you protected her. You can’t have it both ways.

Jay

May 31st, 2011
8:56 am

We protected her, Poison? Again, get your facts right.

The AJC exposed this whole mess from the beginning. Without our work, none of this would ever have come to public knowledge. We did the initial investigations into test score discrepancies; when APS didn’t respond, we did an even larger-scale investigation, documenting the problems to such a degree that they could no longer be ignored. The state came in to investigate only because of the work we had done exposing this problem in the first place.

Jay

May 31st, 2011
9:00 am

USMC, you are flailing.

“That’s what’s wrong with people like Jay Bookman, who insist on using R@CE as a determining factor for who the best candidate for school superintendent should be.”

When have I “insisted” on such a stupid thing? You are making things up out of whole cloth.

kayaker 71

May 31st, 2011
9:03 am

If this has been going on for the last 10 years or so,and the evidence, looking back, was so obvious where has Bookman and Tucker been for all of this time? And if you don’t think that black people in positions of authority are given a pass where others would be held accountable, especially in a predominantly black school district, you are living in fantasy land. Prime example….. Clayton county school board. How many years of incompetence, lying, cheating, patronism, looking the other way had to prevail before the governor had to fire every last one of them? Hell, they would probably still be there if they had their way. No one, yes, no one, challenges and blows the whistle on one of their own.

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
9:03 am

The AJC exposed this whole mess from the beginning. Without our work, none of this would ever have come to public knowledge.

B..b..b..b..b..b..b..b..but you didn’t publish the photo of her signing the order for teachers to cheat. Therefore you protected her.

//sarc//

sadly in ATL

May 31st, 2011
9:03 am

JB is correct. the APS board and Chamber were protecting the mantra that it is wonderful– how well our schools are doing. AJC deserves kudos for great tenacity and telling us the king had no clothes.

USMC

May 31st, 2011
9:04 am

“…One is so quick to point out race when discussing APS…”–Brocephus

It’s really not hard to see. The Atlanta Public Schools administration is one of the LEAST DIVERSE school systems in the country.
Like the City of Atlanta, they continue to hold onto R@CE and “group identity” as a qualification for jobs.

What are the demographics of the Atlanta Public Schools and the workers at the City of Atlanta as compared to the demographic make up of the citizenry of Atlanta????
The proof is in the pudding :-)

St Simons - we're on Island time

May 31st, 2011
9:04 am

Like the first decade of this century, like the neocon philosophy in general, like trickle-down economics, this is another case – if you design a system for corruption & failure, then don’t look around in amazement when it does exactly what it was designed & incentivized to do.

Dinkdunk

May 31st, 2011
9:05 am

Wby does that phrase “culture of corruption” keep poping up in my head?

poison pen

May 31st, 2011
9:05 am

Jay, good for you, being new to Georgia I missed those stories, all I have ever seen were people complaining about schools here and how dumb the kids are. If you named this lady and named others that were involved then I apologize.

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
9:05 am

JAY
@ 8:56

And how long did it take you to do that? Y’all saw those scores, too. Take off the halo. When that first set of skyrocketing scores came out, a blind fakir at 40 paces would have raised an editorial eyebrow and said, “hunh? Say what.” Glad y’all came around, but it took you long enough.

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
9:07 am

JAY

I bet you I called y’all’s offices a dozen times…and I know of others who did, too, starting the DAY y’all published those scores…and, no, I didn’t as an “insider.” I did as a citizen of common sense mad as hell at what I saw…

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
9:08 am

JAY

And, see, once again I knew what you were going to say… :-)

Jay

May 31st, 2011
9:08 am

Did you as an insider come to us or others with information, Josef? Or did you remain silent?

sadly in ATL

May 31st, 2011
9:08 am

lets stick to the real issue- why do people tolerate and perpetuate a failed system that is so vital to our children? and suburbanites dont escape this challenge either- we are 49th or so as a state public education system out of 50. and you want to name call or blame race,sex or a party. wake up and look in the mirror then look around at the rest of the country. why are we at the bottom and what are we going to do to change that?

Mick

May 31st, 2011
9:09 am

**Yankee missionary White Folks**

Where does that come from? I consider that a triple insult and scapegoating at its worst. C’mon josef, you know better than that…

Steve from Tucker

May 31st, 2011
9:09 am

A major reason Beverly Hall was allowed to keep her job was that the black clergy and political establishment rallied to her defense in spite of OVERWHELMING circumstantial evidence of guilt. When will black leaders stop using color as the primary determinant of competency? Will will they stop tolerating low expectations for minority children and start demanding achievement from children of all races, cultures, and economic situations. Vincent Fort!! Yeah, I’m talking to you, too. This is about the children, not about protecting a lying, cheating minority ‘role model.’

USMC

May 31st, 2011
9:10 am

“Why does that phrase “culture of corruption” keep popping up in my head?”-Dink Dunk

Because you are naturally gifted with COMMON SENSE :-)

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
9:10 am

And if you don’t think that black people in positions of authority are given a pass where others would be held accountable, especially in a predominantly black school district, you are living in fantasy land. Prime example….. Clayton county school board. How many years of incompetence, lying, cheating, patronism, looking the other way had to prevail before the governor had to fire every last one of them?

Oh geez, not another bullsh*t sammich. I’ll keep this one clean so that Jay doesn’t give me the Bobby Cox.

Once you’re willing to tackle the shortcomings and criminal behavior of your own race, feel free to point out unethical behavior in others. Until then, here’s a nice warm cup for you. I’ll even cover the bill.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 31st, 2011
9:10 am

I have an idea.

She and the Ohio State Coach would make a great team !!!

Mick

May 31st, 2011
9:11 am

Hup, two three four, hup to three foru …….. the scout don’t like Obama. the scout don’t like Obama. the scout don’t like Obama .

Fixed your erroneous post…

Bosch

May 31st, 2011
9:11 am

Jay,

It’s simple really — wingnuts have to believe in the evilness that is affirmative action because there is no other way for black people to legitimately get jobs. They don’t do it on their own merits, oh, of course not.

Gwinnett Who?

May 31st, 2011
9:11 am

Like the City of Atlanta, they continue to hold onto R@CE and “group identity” as a qualification for jobs.

What are the demographics of the Atlanta Public Schools and the workers at the City of Atlanta as compared to the demographic make up of the citizenry of Atlanta????
The proof is in the pudding.

The same question can be asked about the Gwinnett County Local Goverment and School Board. The county is very diverse when it comes to the population but I guess that there are not enough minorities to hold positions of power…..Explain.

Brosephus

May 31st, 2011
9:12 am

USMC

You miss my point. You can yell all day about APS, but I don’t give a flying rat’s ass about what you say. Until you point out WHITE corruption, don’t tell me about Black corruption. They’re all one and the same. Neither is more detrimental than the other, and to try to make it seem that way is pure bullsh*t.

Jay

May 31st, 2011
9:12 am

Jim Tressel only lasted this long because of affirmative action!!

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 31st, 2011
9:13 am

Gallup:

Hup, two three four, hup to three foru …….. the troops don’t like Obama. the troops don’t like Obama. the troops don’t like Obama .

P.S.

Cyber Attacks Potential Act of War?

Reuters

Headline: “Pentagon concludes sabotage from foreign computers — monitored at sites like the Air Force security center pictured at left — can be act of war, opening the door for the U.S. to respond with military force.”

Of course if it’s Lybia ……………… but noooooot China ! Mama disn’t raise no fool.

Jay

May 31st, 2011
9:13 am

If Tressel weren’t in the protected class as a black female, he’d have been fired long ago! And make him give back all those bonuses!

USMC

May 31st, 2011
9:14 am

“When have I “insisted” on such a stupid thing? You are making things up out of whole cloth.”
–Jay Bookman

You can’t RUN from your body of work, Jay :-)

And I love how you are now “BLAMING” Josef, as if he was the problem with the Atlanta Public Schools by remaining “silent”.

Deflection is your weak way of avoiding the truth, Jay; quit blaming Josef Nix for being honest and having the gumption to speak the truth.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 31st, 2011
9:14 am

Jay:

LOL ! You got me.

Isn’t it say what they will do to try to whip them SEC boys !!!

3 more months !!!

Gwinnett Who?

May 31st, 2011
9:15 am

USMC why do you come to this blog everyday with the same BS? Are there not enough conservative blogs for you? Why make yourself miserable here day in and day out?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

May 31st, 2011
9:15 am

Well, we need to give this woman the Death Penalty! After we went to all the trouble of doing what us Conservative Republicans do—use punishment to make people do what we want them to do—she went and cheated on us. Or at least she let other people cheat and then took credit for scores that were as phony as a $3 bill.

She can’t get away with that with us. I want to see her do the Perp Walk! I want to see 100s of teachers and principals in prison. We fixed up a way to prove that the schools are lousy and she tried to make a liar out of us. I don’t want to hear about how we cut down the money and never went to meetings and such. It’s the teacher’s fault! And then I want us to put them all on even more furloughs and cut the money more till we see education improve.

Otherwise, I’m sorry to see #1 Foxy Lady is back to tell us to suck it. I was kinda hoping she up and died. I guess I was wrong.

Have a good Tuesday everybody.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 31st, 2011
9:15 am

9:14

Excuse me ………. “sad”

Peadawg

May 31st, 2011
9:16 am

Jim Tressel only lasted this long because of affirmative action!!
If Tressel weren’t in the protected class as a black female, he’d have been fired long ago! And make him give back all those bonuses!

LMAO, Jay!!!

Granny Godzilla

May 31st, 2011
9:16 am

Affirmative Action?

Is that anything like the Good Old Boys Club?

Been running into that for decades….

josef nix

May 31st, 2011
9:17 am

Brosephus

Black corruption, white corruption…equality, ain’t it grand…

I may have posted this before, but way back when in our local school district in my hometown, a scandal broke in which the newly enfranchised black members were involved. Here came the white folks telling Mama, “see there, Jeanne-Marie…you kept saying give them the vote, they’d do a good job…well…?” Mama answered, “I never said they’d do a good job…I said they’d prove themselves equal to whites…and they have…”

kayaker 71

May 31st, 2011
9:17 am

Brosephus,

The truth hurts, don’t it? Thanks anyway, I’ll buy my own. If I have been incorrect about the Clayton County school board, please correct me. Until then, save your angry platitudes for someone who cares.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 31st, 2011
9:18 am

PINK SEALS ?

Jay:

I wish they wouldn’t run these types of articles so early in the morning. I spit juice on my keyboard and my side is still hurting.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110530/ap_on_re_us/us_women_at_war

USMC

May 31st, 2011
9:19 am

“If Tressel weren’t in the protected class as a black female, he’d have been fired long ago! And make him give back all those bonuses!”—Jay Bookman

There it is folks :-)
Jay Bookman is going crazy after being hit right between the eyes with the truth!

“Jim Tressel only lasted this long because of affirmative action!!”–Jay Bookman

Nice try, Jay but “white” men aren’t INCLUDED in Affirmative Action.

If you are going to debate, at least get some of your facts straight :-)

ronald

May 31st, 2011
9:21 am

Well said, Jay. Sick of hearing Hall’s half-truths, its time for her to take responsibility for everything thats happened.

Jay

May 31st, 2011
9:21 am

Given my body of work, USMC, you should have no problem documenting that absurd claim.

Do you have no sense of shame?

Finn McCool

May 31st, 2011
9:21 am

good story, joseph

Peadawg

May 31st, 2011
9:21 am

I say we start a pool here….who waits the longest to resign: E. Gordon Gee(Ohio State President) or Beverly Hall.

Jay

May 31st, 2011
9:23 am

It is rather amazing and dismaying, Brocephus.

The state DOT, for example, has long been a den of incompetence and patronage (if perhaps improving more recently) that puts a piker like MARTA to shame, yet somehow it doesn’t inspire near the same degree of criticism from some quarters. In Hall County, the AJC continues to document a large-scale program to divert failing students into “alternative schools” to prettify graduation numbers — a practice much like the test-score cheating at APS — with relatively little reaction. In Gwinnett County, the AJC has documented the school district paying favored developers two or three times the legitimate price for property, costing taxpayers millions and millions of dollars. We also documented the land-purchase practices that led to the indictment of a Gwinnett County commissioner and the resignations of others. And on and on. To make these things racial is just foolishness.

It is OUR problem, not THEIR problem.

And Sadly, that is well put.