Transportation tax will require delicate balance

Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed found himself playing the skunk at a dinner party Wednesday, raising an unwelcome stink in an otherwise congenial, cooperative meeting of the Atlanta region’s transportation roundtable.

But the stink was necessary.

The roundtable’s mission is to compile a list of needed transportation projects in the 10-county region, then build public support for funding those projects with a 10-year, one-penny sales tax estimated to raise $8 billion. (The vote is scheduled for 2012).

In hard times such as these, with tax dollars hard to come by, everyone understands that it’s going to be tough to get 50 percent plus one of the region’s voters to support such a tax. But as Reed and other members of the roundtable executive committee made clear Wednesday, success is crucial to metro Atlanta’s quality of life and its economy. Without a major surge of transportation investment, the region’s future will dim.

Earl Bender, part of the team hired with private dollars to elicit public input into the transportation plan and then build voter support for its passage, put the challenge well:

“It’s something that we all need to do together. It’s our region, our list, our future that’s at stake. It’s our families. We need to build the widest possible coalition both to give input and to support the eventual choices that will be made so that we can pass this to benefit the entire region.”

After Bender finished, Reed interjected, pointing out that Bender and the other three leaders of the messaging team hired to sell the referendum to voters were white males. No women. No minorities. Not the best way to build “the widest possible coalition.”

“This is a huge problem,” Reed said. “If they want to go down this road where they’re going to assemble a team that is not inclusive and not representative of this region, we’re going to lose.”

It’s important to note that Reed expressed his concern in terms of performance, not symbolism or patronage. In fact, he was building on Bender’s larger point: Passing a sales tax referendum in a 10-county area will require a coalition of exurban and inner city residents, the affluent and the poor, transit riders and auto lovers, bike riders, walkers and yes, even the golf-cart dependent. Reaching that diverse audience is going to require a diverse messaging team. They have to be able to appeal to the region as a whole, as an entity with a shared future, and also to individual communities more concerned about their own more narrow challenges. If they can’t do both, the measure will be rejected.

In fact, that defines the whole challenge, as roundtable members seem to understand. All of them are local elected officials, representing local constituencies with local concerns and local transportation needs. And it would be easy to make satisfying those local needs their top priority. However, they also understand that if each of them tries to get as much money as possible for their own districts, they will more likely get nothing because the tax will fail.

In fact, while Reed’s statement provided a shot of drama and tension in Wednesday’s meeting, the session as a whole was marked by a spirit of cooperation and a commitment to a regional vision. Ten years ago, or even five years ago, it was almost inconceivable that locally elected leaders would be speaking sincerely in such terms. But they do today.

Of course, the true test of that spirit will come as the executive committee sifts through the hundreds of projects proposed by local governments, deciding which to fund and which to reject. If roundtable leaders handle that difficult process with maturity and vision, and without rancor or jealousy, it’s going to go a long way in convincing voters around the region that they’re being treated fairly.

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stands for decibels

May 27th, 2011
7:06 am

Ten years ago, or even five years ago, it was almost inconceivable that locally elected leaders would be speaking sincerely in such terms. But they do today.

And that’s how progress is measured.

I did a quick news- and blog-googling to see if the other side of the aisle had essploded in poutrage over Reed’s stating-of-the-obvious, that the all-white/all-male team maybe wasn’t everything one wanted to put forward in order to build “the widest possible coalition.” And it hasn’t. So I guess that’s progress too.

(these inane comments pages, on the other hand, probably won’t reflect that. but I’m wrong sometimes, and maybe our righties will surprise me. They seem to like Reed, maybe they can take this bit of criticism from him like grown-ups.)

Mr_B

May 27th, 2011
7:11 am

Mornin” Jay:

Let the cries of racism begin……

stands for decibels

May 27th, 2011
7:20 am

Mr_B

May 27th, 2011
7:21 am

Stands: I’m not in the Metro area, so I don’t have a dog in the fight; but you may be right about the right and Reed. The Deal-Reed trip to DC surprised me.

USinUK

May 27th, 2011
7:22 am

mmmmmmmmmmm … rail-y goodness …

you don’t know an easy commute until you do it by rail … iPod on … paper in hand … read your emails on Bberry … B-L-I-S-S!!!

Mr_B

May 27th, 2011
7:26 am

Add a couple of references to Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton or Jerimiah Wright to “black race pimp” and your practically there already.

bob

May 27th, 2011
7:28 am

Has Reed not seen the racial make up of Atlanta city and Fulton county employees ? A week served on jury duty and I did not see one white employee. While I am sure their are some, they are hard to find. If Reed want all of the city employees to make up the racial mix, he has allot of firing to do.

stands for decibels

May 27th, 2011
7:29 am

iPod on … paper in hand … read your emails on Bberry …

you’re cruel sometimes, you are.

andygrdzki

May 27th, 2011
7:34 am

Okay guys, what did the heck did I miss…. Racism…. How so…. What are you talking about? Or is there some hidden meaning I am missing….
The penny increase does make sense if it is used fund infrastructure projects….

stands for decibels

May 27th, 2011
7:38 am

Okay guys, what did the heck did I miss….

well, you could read what Jay’s posted and find out. (crazy idea, I know.)

bob

May 27th, 2011
7:40 am

Why is Reed and his ilk afraid of smart white men ? Or is it that the people he thinks this plan needs to be sold to are bigots ? Either way, he looks foolish. Let N. Fulton want to form their own county and they are looked at as racists, yet in 2011, a mayor of a major city whines about 4 white guys. If the board was to be diverse by liberal standards, the number on it would need to be increased. Since Atlanta has so many differant people, the board would need Vietnamese, Koreans, Indians, Jews and on and on and on. But I think when Reed spoke of diversity, he meant black.

USinUK

May 27th, 2011
7:44 am

dB – don’t be hating on me just because I can sit back and relax on my commute! :-)

stands for decibels

May 27th, 2011
7:45 am

shorter bob @ 7.11: Reed needs to fire many city employees for the infraction of Working While Black because it offended bob’s tender feefees to see so many colored folks working when he served on a jury that time.

Let N. Fulton want to form their own county and they are looked at as racists

Nah, mostly they’re just colossal ingrates.

DannyX

May 27th, 2011
7:50 am

Is there anyone from the AJC that is not going to play cheerleader promoting passage of this?

We are still over a year from the vote and the AJC has already started a full out assault.

USinUK

May 27th, 2011
7:51 am

that’s right … we need more white men to tell us how to run things.

Misty Fyed

May 27th, 2011
8:02 am

I’m not a citizen of Atlanta, but I’ve got to say so far I like Reid. It just goes to show what real leadership can look like when they set out to address real problems and not try to force a certain agenda.

Regarding the transportation tax, I hope the politicians can come together to address the need for the good of the region, not just each municipality.

Peadawg

May 27th, 2011
8:04 am

People are getting their panties in a wad over an extra 1 cent sales tax? Really? Seriously? Wow….

JKL2

May 27th, 2011
8:07 am

This almost reminds me of being in Iraq. If someone gets killed, their first question isn’t “what happened?” but “which sect did they belong to?” If the person isn’t from their sect they say “good” and the conversation is over.

The question here isn’t whether compitent people are doing the job or not. The question is “what’s their color and sex?” Good thing I’m the “racist” here…

DebbieDoRight

May 27th, 2011
8:07 am

bob: Why is Reed and his ilk afraid of smart white men ? Or is it that the people he thinks this plan needs to be sold to are bigots ? Either way, he looks foolish.

Honestly, what part of “this deal needs to go forward because they have to be able to appeal to the region as a whole, as an entity with a shared future” don’t you understand? This whole state of georgia depends upon Atlanta to bring in the bulk of its revenue. Most people in the area work in Atlanta but may live in the burbs, if the transportation / commute is so inflexible, so long, so time consuming that potential businesses will not come to the state.

Can you understand that? Or are you just into this black/white thing and are going to rant about that all day? If so, please update out your “I hate _________________” Bingo card and everytime that someone brings up another inane comment like yours, fill in that spot. When you’re done you can yelll, “BINGO!” and become today’s winner. :roll:

DebbieDoRight

May 27th, 2011
8:07 am

bob: Has Reed not seen the racial make up of Atlanta city and Fulton county employees ?

Ok bob….how can someone please a person like you? No blacks / less blacks working at City hall would that do it? So, when these same jobless blacks are on the unemployment line, (because they were fired for being BLACKKKKKKKKk), are you going to then holler, “lazy good for nothing bums don’t wanna work”? Just asking……….

Peadawg

May 27th, 2011
8:08 am

“The penny increase does make sense if it is used fund infrastructure projects….” – The key word there is ‘IF’. I really wish was some more absolute transparency as to where our tax dollars go. That’s why people hesitant to raise them.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

May 27th, 2011
8:09 am

Well, I sure hope the exit from GA 400 to Simpsons Trailer Park is at the top of the list. Otherwise, I don’t give a hang about the rest of the projects. All I know is I don’t want to pay a tax so some gay, black city dweller can ride a train from his skyscraper condo to his downtown Atlanta office. Let him buy a pickup like the rest of us did and move out into the country. Just not in my neighborhood.

Have a good Friday everybody.

Normal

May 27th, 2011
8:11 am

Good Friday morning all y’all,

Misty,
On your 0802, we agree. Oh how I would love to see the Nancy Hanks come back too.

USinUK,
I would still prefer my motorcycle over my blackberry, but that’s just me. Perhaps if Cherokee County ever had a London style Metro, I’d feel different…but there is something to be said about a man on his iron horse….cruisin’.

Doggone/GA

May 27th, 2011
8:12 am

This is off-topic, but it raised a question for me: if a 1 cent sales tax would raise 8 BILLION in the 10 county region in only 10 years, how much would a 1 cent sales tax raise across the whole country in 10 years? Seems like it would a pretty big amount to me – that could be put towards paying down our national debt. (provided, of course, that the damn politicians would leave it alone and ONLY use for that)

Jay

May 27th, 2011
8:13 am

Peadawg, the folks in charge seem honestly committed to providing the transparency you seek, and are taking serious steps to do so. Execution of those plans will be the test, of course. But they do seem to get it.

TaxPayer

May 27th, 2011
8:13 am

I don’t know about others but I usually like to examine the merchandise before laying down the purchase price and even then I make sure that I have an acceptable return policy to fall back on. I’d say they have their hands full so they better be willing to compromise, a lot, for the greater good.

DebbieDoRight

May 27th, 2011
8:14 am

PDawg: People are getting their panties in a wad over an extra 1 cent sales tax? Really? Seriously? Wow….

Remember that 1 cent (?) tax increase to raise funds for building emergency trauma centers around the state? It was decimated.

DebbieDoRight

May 27th, 2011
8:16 am

should be THEN potential businesses will not come to the state. :oops:

Jay

May 27th, 2011
8:17 am

It’s also interesting to see Bob fuming at Reed’s comments, while complaining about all the black employees downtown.

TaxPayer

May 27th, 2011
8:19 am

But I think when Reed spoke of diversity, he meant black.

Or not all white.

President Hussein

May 27th, 2011
8:23 am

ain’t gonna happen, no way, no how….

Peadawg

May 27th, 2011
8:23 am

“Remember that 1 cent (?) tax increase to raise funds for building emergency trauma centers around the state? It was decimated.” – That was an extra $10 on your car tag if I remember correctly. Not just 1 cent.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 27th, 2011
8:24 am

Why is Reed and his ilk afraid of smart white men ?

What kind of ilk are we talking….non-white ilk, liberal ilk, government employee ilk? Why I am sure there would be nothing to fear from a citizens counsel…they have such good reputations.

Peadawg

May 27th, 2011
8:25 am

“It’s also interesting to see Bob fuming at Reed’s comments, while complaining about all the black employees downtown.

Jay, I think he’s pointing out the hypocrisy/racism of Reed. Reed has a problem with 4 white men, but no problem at all with all the black employees downtown.

godless heathen

May 27th, 2011
8:25 am

If a train came by my house and then went by my office and the cost was subsidized so that the ride was dirt cheap, I’d take the train.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 27th, 2011
8:29 am

“with all the black employees downtown.”

Good to see the early play of the white victim card based on limited perceptions.

Peadawg

May 27th, 2011
8:29 am

“Or not all white.”

Why does it even matter to him? Or anybody for that matter? That’s the question. Reed made himself look like an ass by pointing it out.

Jay

May 27th, 2011
8:32 am

Reed has a racially diverse cabinet, and in a city that has long been majority black, it’s no surprise to see the city workforce reflect that fact. But again, his larger point is not diversity for diversity’s sake, but diversity as a strategy to reach a diverse audience. If this referendum passes, it will do so only with very strong support from DeKalb and Fulton counties. In the meeting Wednesday, one speaker recounted the recent experience of Denver, where a similar transportation referendum was supported strongly by Republican voters but was rejected by Democratic voters.

To some degree, intown residents are much less affected by traffic congestion, because they already have a transit system and they already live close to work and shopping. The one-penny sales tax is less important to them than it is to people stuck on the interstates every rush hour, and in many cases that one-penny sales tax also hits them harder.

So you better have a messaging team that understands that and can communicate effectively to that audience if you want this thing to pass.

Peadawg

May 27th, 2011
8:32 am

“Good to see the early play of the white victim card” – I don’t see it as Bob is playing the “white victim card”. He’s just pointing out the hypocrisy/racism of Reed. That’s all. But that’s just my opinion.

Granny Godzilla

May 27th, 2011
8:34 am

Black or white?

A good regional transportation system would be green….

I love public transportation, it’s always one of the first things I
explore when I have time in a new city.

ty webb

May 27th, 2011
8:35 am

Move along ya’ll. Nothing to see here. Apologists for Reed, while likely to see “racism” around every corner, have a complete explanation for his “racially tinged” statements…that’s rich. Oh…and I think I’m having “Deja vu” with regards to this subject. Didn’t these same “issues” come up with the formation of the supposed grooup that was going to “save” Grady?

St Simons - we're on Island time

May 27th, 2011
8:35 am

I’ll say it, since I don’t live there anymore. The make-up of the team is not so much racism, but it IS obviously a “signal” that “we don’t wanna spend no money” on fixing the worst traffic problem on Planet Earth. More “let em eat cake” from the cons. Remember what happened to her, cons.

ty webb

May 27th, 2011
8:36 am

sorry, meant “group”.

Mighy Righty

May 27th, 2011
8:38 am

Atlanta is a broken city with a dwindling tax base. All of these so called commissions are formed to confiscate tax revenue from the suburb’s. Don’t be fooled.

DebbieDoRight

May 27th, 2011
8:38 am

That was an extra $10 on your car tag if I remember correctly. Not just 1 cent.

OK –looked it up you’re right.

the hypocrisy/racism of Reed. Reed has a problem with 4 white men, but no problem at all with all the black employees downtown.

Its the old adage of you don’t know until you’ve walked in my shoes. IMO He actually DOESN’T have a problem with 4 white men, he has a problem with the 4 white men appealing to Hisapnic women, or Hispanic men, or Black women/men, or Oriental women/men, or Gay women/men. He probably has a problem with 4 white men in suits appealing to mountain men (black, white or hispanic), farmers, (same caveat as before), etc.

It’s amazing how you’ve completely ignored that and just went straight for the tried and true “Reed has a problem with 4 white men” saga. You sir, may blot out a square on your Bingo card.

Peadawg

May 27th, 2011
8:40 am

“and in many cases that one-penny sales tax also hits them harder.” – LOL how does a one-penny sales hit ANYONE harder? It’s one f*cking penny. Give me a break.

BlahBlahBlah

May 27th, 2011
8:40 am

Reed chose not to comment on the content of the presentation. He focused solely on the the race. If the presentation has good substance, what’s the problem?

Jay

May 27th, 2011
8:41 am

Actually, Mighty, Atlanta is a growing city with rising per capita incomes. Intown property values in many areas have performed a LOT better than those in the surrounding suburbs.

TaxPayer

May 27th, 2011
8:44 am

Peadawg

May 27th, 2011
8:45 am

” IMO He actually DOESN’T have a problem with 4 white men, he has a problem with the 4 white men appealing to Hisapnic women, or Hispanic men, or Black women/men, or Oriental women/men, or Gay women/men”

Ok then. What’s the big hoopla over a 1-penny sales tax to all those groups you mentioned? Can some groups not afford it while others can? Would the groups be on board if one of “there own” wanted a 1-penny sales tax for transportation? To me, it doesn’t matter who pitches the idea of a 1-penny sales tax to make transportation better. And to those who do care….how sad.

BlahBlahBlah

May 27th, 2011
8:45 am

Hey Jay, any guess what the primary demographic is for those intown properties? (hint – Mayor Reed might not be happy with it).

Peadawg

May 27th, 2011
8:46 am

“Reed chose not to comment on the content of the presentation. He focused solely on the the race. If the presentation has good substance, what’s the problem?” – Exactly!!!

Finn McCool

May 27th, 2011
8:48 am

So, the tax will only be effective in the 10 counties and all the projects for improvement will happen within those 10 counties?

I wouldn’t mind that.

Jack

May 27th, 2011
8:48 am

The penny tax would be a good thing if it’s used for its intended purpose. Not likely to happen, though.

Peadawg

May 27th, 2011
8:48 am

Nope, stands @ 8:49. We’re going by what Jay’s column says. “After Bender finished, Reed interjected, pointing out that Bender and the other three leaders of the messaging team hired to sell the referendum to voters were white males.”

Jay

May 27th, 2011
8:49 am

A lot of the folks moving in are white, Blah Blah.

Not sure of your implication in claiming Reed wouldn’t be happy with that. Why would that be, and what’s your proof?

stands for decibels

May 27th, 2011
8:49 am

“Reed chose not to comment on the content of the presentation. He focused solely on the the race. If the presentation has good substance, what’s the problem?” – Exactly!!!

both of you guys were there at this meeting, right? that’s how you know this?

Jay

May 27th, 2011
8:50 am

Finn, that understanding is correct. And you will know what projects are scheduled to be built before you vote, and they are putting a lot of effort into ensuring that the projects listed are deliverable within that 10-year time frame.

jj

May 27th, 2011
8:50 am

When these ideas are finally presented it will be primarily through the written word. It is very difficult for me to tell if someone is white or black by what I read. The verbal messengers will most likely be politicians from each of the counties, I suspect these messengers will visually represent the polulation. I generally like Reed, but making a comment about the race of the consultants puts a very negative light on a very important subject. I would be willing to bet he just lined up a lot more no votes just by his comments.

md

May 27th, 2011
8:52 am

Playing devils advocate here, but many of the folks living in the outlying counties moved there to get away from the big city………I doubt they want to vote for transportation issues to feed the monster.

And most folks understand where all the money will be spent………

carlosgvv

May 27th, 2011
8:53 am

It looks an though Ralph Reed thinks that four white males cannot make the proper decisions in this case. This certainly is a huge problem as it means we have a racist Mayor. But then, that’s not really any suprise, now is it?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 27th, 2011
8:55 am

The 2010 racial composition of Atlanta was:
Black or African American: 54.0%
White: 38.4%
Asian: 5.2%
Hispanic or Latino (of any race): 3.1%

USinUK

May 27th, 2011
8:55 am

fwiw, rather than a 1% sales tax, there should be a commuter tax for all the fine folks who drive into the city for work!!

(how’s THAT for throwing a grenade into the discussion?!)

Jay

May 27th, 2011
8:56 am

Some of them did, md.

And their problem now is that the city has come to them.

A lot of folks moved to Gwinnett as part of the ’70s white flight, for example. They wanted nothing to do with MARTA for decades, because it was perceived as part of what they had fled. And today Gwinnett has some of the worst traffic problems in the region and a population that is majority minority.

And again, in many ways residents of Atlanta have a lot less to gain from this than the suburbs do. md’s attitude is badly out of date in that regard. Atlanta residents don’t have major commuting problems; it is largely a suburban problem.

USinUK

May 27th, 2011
8:58 am

Jay – 8:59 – wait! wait! I know:

They would have no problem with it if the 4 black guys were the best qualified for the job – after all, it’s only liberal dems that are racist.

josef nix

May 27th, 2011
8:59 am

Wheee! Got a few days here before the “paid time off” for us sorry, low-down and good-for-nothing schoolworkers have to get back to the fields and sing spirituals (yeah, Mr. B, you know what I’m talking about!). What better way to start than with a little cry of racism. Can Soros be far behind?

Anywhoo…what I have to say about this won’t go over well in some quarters, but…why wouldn’t such a bunch be all white? After all their goal and purpose is to make it cushy for the occupation and facillitate the exploitation of the colonials, and their interests are decidedly white and usually male…

I’m glad Mayor Reed pointed out the composition, I just wish he had gone the step further and said why…but, well, there is that Yankee Sharia fatwah to worry about…

As for those out there yapping about Atlanta this that and the other on the racial composition thingie, there ARE some white folks inside the perimeter. That aside, it always strikes me as odd that when somebody is praising Atlanta for something good, the folks in the suburbs are more than happy to say “my hometown” but when it’s negative, well, that’s not “my hometown,” it’s
“those people’s hometown.”

It’s where I’ve lived longer than anywhere in my life, Imam Torquemada having decreed me not to be “from around here,” and it’s mine, warts and all…anything that goes claiming to have “Atlanta’s” interest at stake should have ought to’ve been more representative of the people of the city and its environs…

DebbieDoRight

May 27th, 2011
8:59 am

Pdawg: Ok then. What’s the big hoopla over a 1-penny sales tax to all those groups you mentioned? Can some groups not afford it while others can? Would the groups be on board if one of “there own” wanted a 1-penny sales tax for transportation? To me, it doesn’t matter who pitches the idea of a 1-penny sales tax to make transportation better. And to those who do care….how sad.

I can only give you an analogy, perhaps that’ll be easier for you to understand. I only patronize female doctors/dentists/nurses. Why? Does that mean I’m anti-male? No – I only patronize them because IMO female professionals are more PROFESIONAL than their male counterpart. When my sister-on-law was carrying my neice and went to her obstertrician (male) complaining about back pains, he acted like he was bored with her complaining, and just ignored everything she had to say. She almost miscarried. I told her to go to a female doctor. Went to a female doctor, (one who had had children of her own); she understood her concerns, was more caring and more supportive of her during her pregnancy.

You can probably take that example and parallel that with Reed’s comment or read TaxPayer’s post at 8:44 (with the link) to get a better understanding. Or you can just blot out another square on your BINGO card. Your choice.

Jay

May 27th, 2011
8:59 am

Carlos, what do you think the reaction would have been in North Fulton, etc., if all four members of the regionwide messaging team had been black?

Finn McCool

May 27th, 2011
8:59 am

I doubt they want to vote for transportation issues to feed the monster.

I disagree, I live in buford but whatever can be done between me and Atlanta to improve/widen, etc, can only help those of us out there.

Try driving East-West between PEachtree Industrial and 400 at rush-hour – all two lane roads – and you will see the east-west problem affects the north-south traffic.

Tea Party Meber

May 27th, 2011
9:01 am

Hear we go again. Tax and spend libral Kaseem Reed(wonder where he was born) wanting those outside of Atlanta 2 paid 4 the troubles of Atlanta. I dont go in 2 Atlanta because it is a cess pool why should I have 2 pay for the low lifes there 2 have beter roads?

Finn McCool

May 27th, 2011
9:01 am

Ok, AJC, time to hire a better Internet Blog software provider. This is amazingly frustrating.

DebbieDoRight

May 27th, 2011
9:01 am

carlos, teaparty, and lee — you may now update your Bingo cards. Way to go!

TaxPayer

May 27th, 2011
9:01 am

USinUK

May 27th, 2011
9:02 am

wow. I can bend time to reply to Jay before he posts …

jm

May 27th, 2011
9:02 am

Jay, I can keep it short today. :) I agree.

Lee

May 27th, 2011
9:02 am

“After Bender finished, Reed interjected, pointing out that Bender and the other three leaders of the messaging team hired to sell the referendum to voters were white males. No women. No minorities.”

Once again, we see a glimpse of the mindset of a black politician.

Hey, I hear Bill Campbell is out of jail. Maybe Reed can appoint him to this commission…

josef nix

May 27th, 2011
9:03 am

“Carlos, what do you think the reaction would have been in North Fulton, etc., if all four members of the regionwide messaging team had been black?”

That IS a rhetorical question, isn’t it?

Finn McCool

May 27th, 2011
9:03 am

Can you people get past race for 2 minutes?

Do you wake up in the morning wondering what the black people are going to do that day to keep you down?

Bosch

May 27th, 2011
9:03 am

Okay, so we have Bookman’s point in the column, then bob’s at 7:28 — and the two aren’t even in the same ball park.

The sound of “whish” wizzing past bob.

ty webb

May 27th, 2011
9:04 am

“what do you think the reaction would have been in North Fulton, etc., if all four members of the regionwide messaging team had been black?”

Jay,
Back at you…what would you write if a white mator had taken issue with the all black messaging team?

AmVet

May 27th, 2011
9:04 am

To Jay’s point, I recently had to travel to Lawrenceville on business.

What a headache.

And that was at 2PM!

I cannot even imagine (well, actually I can) what a nightmare it must be at the peak periods. Five days a week of gridlock on Jimmy Carter Blvd. and the other major thoroughfares. And to live out there?

Just shoot me now…

Normal

May 27th, 2011
9:04 am

‘Morning Josef,

from last night…you carry nitro on you? Don’t jump up and down too much… :D

carlosgvv

May 27th, 2011
9:04 am

Jay – 8:59

That is not the point and you know it. Two wrongs do not make a right. As to your question, there would be little or no reaction as people would know than any complaining about a black team would bring loud and anguished cries of “racism” from the Black community.

larry

May 27th, 2011
9:04 am

carlosgvv

May 27th, 2011
8:53 am

How can anybody confuse Kaseem Reed with Ralph Reed. ?

ty webb

May 27th, 2011
9:04 am

sorry, meant “mayor”(dang bourbon).

Peadawg

May 27th, 2011
9:05 am

Oh snap! We got us a hard core feminist in da house @ 8:59!!! So, b/c of 1 bad experience by your sister-in-law, you think female professionals are more professional than their male counterpart? Got it. :roll: Take your feminist views and and, as you say, blot out another square on YOUR bingo card, Debbie.

Jay

May 27th, 2011
9:06 am

Ty, we’d be having this very same discussion.

And carlos, if you don’t think that would be an issue, you haven’t been following Fulton County politics very closely.

DannyX

May 27th, 2011
9:06 am

Gwinnett County is now 44% white, they have a total of one minority elected to local, state, and federal positions.

Every single department head in Gwinnett County government except one is white.

Looks like Atlanta is the wrong target for some of you complaining about racial imbalance.

Wonder why…

Finn McCool

May 27th, 2011
9:06 am

I’ve been called a lot of things but never a Mator. Do I qualify?

USinUK

May 27th, 2011
9:07 am

hey normal – replying to your earlier post – just as long as you’re not blackberrying WHILE ON your moto-cycle

USinUK

May 27th, 2011
9:07 am

ty – thanks – I was wondering what a mator was (was thinking tomato sammiches)

:-)

bob

May 27th, 2011
9:07 am

The LBGT’s and NAMBLA called, they want a spot on the board.

josef nix

May 27th, 2011
9:08 am

NORMAL

Have to keep it in the right side pocket, though, my left knee jerks too much! :-)

jm

May 27th, 2011
9:08 am

The issue is not the race or gender of the person on the communications team (ie, cronyism), except insofar as it relates to the ability to communicate the benefits to the communities that will be voting.

Ie, the Atlanta region is not 100% white male, and a white male (and I am one) sure as hell doesn’t understand all the needs, issues, and concerns that need to be addressed in other communities. If the groups wants the referendum to pass, they need to expand their communications team diversity wise.

Period, the end.

bob

May 27th, 2011
9:08 am

STB, if in fact they are colossal ingrates, why fight to keep them ? Oh that’s right, those ingrates pay a good portion of the bill.

Face Ripper Monkey 2012

May 27th, 2011
9:09 am

Face Ripper Monkey can’t drive so Face Ripper Monkey is against this tax.

Bosch

May 27th, 2011
9:09 am

“I don’t see it as Bob is playing the “white victim card”. He’s just pointing out the hypocrisy/racism of Reed”

How on God’s green Earth did you come to that conclusion Pea?

DebbieDoRight

May 27th, 2011
9:09 am

Do you wake up in the morning wondering what the black people are going to do that day to keep you down?

:lol:

Peadawg

May 27th, 2011
9:10 am

“Can you people get past race for 2 minutes?” – I would LOVE to ask Reed and Debbie that very question!!!

stands for decibels

May 27th, 2011
9:10 am

And today Gwinnett has some of the worst traffic problems in the region and a population that is majority minority.

and there’s a perfectly good rail line running right through it, and there’s still plenty of space to build the station/parking needed to support a MARTA extension, not just to Norcross but well north.

Only stupidity stands in the way.