GOP’s Chris Christie: Climate change real; man contributes

I guess it’s true; New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie really isn’t running for the Republican presidential nomination in 2012:

“In the past I’ve always said that climate change is real and it’s impacting our state,” he said in a press conference yesterday (video below). “There’s undeniable data that CO2 levels and other greenhouse gases in our atmosphere are increasing. Decade average temperatures have been rising and temperature changes are affecting weather patterns and our climate.”

OK, so climate change is occurring. But is mankind to blame? To get an answer to that crucial question, Christie says, he has been meeting with experts and scientists for the last few months to discuss the issue in depth, and has also done considerable reading and study on his own.

His conclusion:

“When you have over 90 percent of the world’s scientists who have studied this stating that climate change is occurring and humans play a contributing role, it’s time to defer to the experts…. we know enough to know that we are at least a part of the problem.”

In his statement Thursday, Christie also announced that New Jersey would not participate in the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative, a joint effort by 10 Northeastern states to address the issue of greenhouse gases at the regional level through a cap-and-trade program. His decision to withdraw from RGGI makes a lot of sense for purely practical reasons, and was clearly reached through the same analytical process that brought him to the conclusion that climate change is real and mankind is contributing.

As Christie notes, the rights to emit a ton of greenhouse gases through RGGI were projected to cost as much as $20 to $30 a ton, a level that would create a significant economic incentive to reduce those emissions. Under RGGI, however, those rights are selling at less than $2 a ton.

“RGGI has not changed behavior and it does not reduce emissions,” Christie said. “We’re looking for broader results that benefit all ratepayers and all citizens.”

Christie went on to pledge that in light of the seriousness of the problem, “there will no new coal permitted in New Jersey. From this day forward, any plans that anyone has regarding any type of coal-based generation of energy is over…. We need to commit in New Jersey to making coal a part of our past.”

Instead, the state will begin to shutdown older coal plants and move toward offshore wind generation, using old landfill sites as solar energy fields and concentrating on conservation and efficiency because “the cleanest energy is the energy you don’t use.”

As promised, here’s Christie’s statement in full (and I do confess to thinking while watching it that no major political figure in Georgia would be capable of such a performance.):



– Jay Bookman

377 comments Add your comment

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 27th, 2011
9:23 am

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1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 27th, 2011
9:25 am

hEADLINE: “Christians worry Egypt being hijacked by Islamists”

Ah ………………….. nevermind but thanks Obama.

willydoit?

May 27th, 2011
9:26 am

Cap and Trade works…look at how people are driving less with the expensive gas prices. However, look at how high gas prices are killing the economy. See…Cap and Trade works!!

Bosch

May 27th, 2011
9:27 am

Damn RINOS!!!

Jay, I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to go off tangent with the tomato sandwich thing — but I’m still dreaming of them.

Peadawg

May 27th, 2011
9:28 am

“GOP’s Chris Christie: Climate change real” – Thank you Mr. Obvious!!!

“Cap and Tax works…look at how people are driving less with the expensive gas prices. However, look at how high gas prices are killing the economy. See…Cap and Tax works!!” – Fixed your typo. If only we could have taxed the Dinosaurs somehow, we could had prevented the Ice Age!!!!!

TaxPayer

May 27th, 2011
9:29 am

A Republican said that. Well damn. He shocked and awed me. Did he not get any Koch money.

jm

May 27th, 2011
9:29 am

Oh jeepers Jay. I’m 2 for 2 today (in agreement). Zoiks.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

May 27th, 2011
9:31 am

Have a safe and happy Memorial Day weekend but let none of us forget those that Memorial Day is all about.

jm

May 27th, 2011
9:32 am

RE Air France – that primeval part of the brain kicked in. The plane was going down, they didn’t want to go down, so they pulled up. Flight 101….. when in stall, point down to regain air speed….. what a mess

Joe Mama

May 27th, 2011
9:33 am

What I want to know is how much greenhouse gas Chris Christie emits.

David B.

May 27th, 2011
9:33 am

Finally, an honorable politician.

md

May 27th, 2011
9:33 am

“When you have over 90 percent of the world’s scientists who have studied this stating that climate change is occurring and humans play a contributing role, it’s time to defer to the experts…. we know enough to know that we are at least a part of the problem.”

And there in lies the difference in the national argument……..”part of the problem” does not equate to “cause” of the problem…….which is how the argument has been framed to date……..

independent thinker

May 27th, 2011
9:35 am

Someone has strayed off the reservation. I guess its because Christie is too big for those little clown cars the Repub candidates get in.Time for a Limbaugh/Hannity/Beck/Coulter/ingram/Malkin/Boortz decapitation!

professional skeptic

May 27th, 2011
9:35 am

@ TaxPayer 9:29 am

I had the same reaction. Will Rush bash him on the air and demand an apology?

Actually, the guy has said repeatedly that he’s not going to run. Maybe this speech was an attempt to get his fellow party members to stop harassing him about it.

Jay

May 27th, 2011
9:36 am

I should have made it clear from the beginning — and have now done so — that the problem with RGGI was not its reliance on cap and trade, but the fact that cap-and-trade can’t work when implemented on a very limited regional basis. For example, while New Jersey was a member of the RGGI effort, neighboring Pennsylvania is not. That just isn’t going to work.

DW

May 27th, 2011
9:36 am

BADA BING

May 27th, 2011
9:37 am

I quit driving for no reason, and reduced my fuel costs. I have my own ‘Cap and Trade’ program. Don’t take off my gas Cap and Trade my driving for walking.

jm

May 27th, 2011
9:38 am

Obama’s like the junior pilot at the stick in the Air France cockpit.

Things going down! Keep burning the paper!

md

May 27th, 2011
9:38 am

I see the IT guys took a look at the problem here…………look being the operative word.

Finn McCool

May 27th, 2011
9:39 am

Nah, he will come out in a few days and apologize and say that what he was saying should not be quoted as that would be a lie. Or, it’s the media’s fault for twisting his words.

jm

May 27th, 2011
9:39 am

Jay 9:36 -

alert alert, hmmmm…… subtle indicators that Jay might slightly understand markets (the need to trade permits) and competition (if costs go way up in NJ, co’s move to PA)……

where’s my fainting couch?

jm

May 27th, 2011
9:44 am

RPS (renewable portfolio standards) is where all this is going. Very inefficient. But in the absence of a carbon tax or cap-trade, it is the likely outcome. Shutting down coal in favor of natural gas is the best route, especially since NG got a lot cheaper (assuming it stays that way).

Paulo977

May 27th, 2011
9:44 am

Tax Payer
“Did he not get any Koch money.” Gosh I am sure he didn’t!!!

Bosch

May 27th, 2011
9:44 am

“he will come out in a few days and apologize and say that what he was saying should not be quoted as that would be a lie.”

Yeah, Finn, that’s true — right after Rush gives him a call to set him straight.

AmVet

May 27th, 2011
9:47 am

Scout at 9:23,

Basic info but good stuff nonetheless, Thanks.

Recon @9:31,

SALUTE!

jm @9:39, must you be such a disgusting lout, trying desperately to score your silly little political points from other people’s suffering, that you continually write garbage like that?

Hopefully Finn @9:39 is wrong. But gawd knows, it’s happened before.

Christie has just failed the Republican Purity Test.

He dares say, “When you have over 90 percent of the world’s scientists who have studied this stating that climate change is occurring and humans play a contributing role, it’s time to defer to the experts…. we know enough to know that we are at least a part of the problem.”???

What a reasoned and reasonable position to take.

The ideologically driven, science averse far, far right wing needs to hear this message loud and clear…

Jay

May 27th, 2011
9:50 am

md, if conservatives — I mean, any conservatives at all — could bring themselves to acknowledge that mankind is AT LEAST a part of it, to use Christie’s term, and that we need to take action, that would be HUGE.

But in the absolutist GOP, that can’t be allowed to happen.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 27th, 2011
9:51 am

Christie acknowledged that man contributes to climate change….. that’s a great step.

……..”part of the problem” does not equate to “cause” of the problem…….which is how the argument has been framed to date……..

Oh please do provide evidence that anyone has claimed that man alone causes climate change….the man made component has the cummulative effect of significantly and rapidly changing a process that takes 1000s of years to one that may take only 50-100 years or less.

TaxPayer

May 27th, 2011
9:53 am

the man made component has the cumulative effect of significantly and rapidly changing a process that takes 1000s of years to one that may take only 50-100 years or less.

sshhhh! That’s supposed to stay a seeecret!

jm

May 27th, 2011
9:54 am

AmVet 9:47 “such a disgusting lout” well aren’t you a gentleman.

I was jerking JB’s chain. What can I say? It was fun and I was kidding around…. now who’s taking things too seriously?

retired early

May 27th, 2011
9:54 am

Unique….A Republican who believes in climate change and is willing to replace coal with wind and solar… Wow. He also thinks for himself, like dismissing cap and trade as not effective because it does not COST enough to be a deterrent.
He might just be the smartest Repub out there.

AmVet

May 27th, 2011
9:55 am

A great, even-handed article on oil prices and the role therein of some profiteers and white collar criminals…

http://money.cnn.com/2011/05/24/markets/oil_price_speculation/index.htm

@@

May 27th, 2011
9:55 am

They’ve got a shoreline and loads of landfills in Jersey. One is a natural resource, the other a man-made resource. I’ve always favored landfills as an energy source.

Kewl!

Who Owns Big Oil?

Who owns BIG AL GORE?

jm

May 27th, 2011
9:55 am

“political points from other people’s suffering” ????

That’s a weird one. I have no idea what you’re referring to. Who’s suffering? I mean, I know Christie is suffering from a weight problem, but jeebus.

John K

May 27th, 2011
9:56 am

Finally! A pro-science Republican. At least until the party overlords work him over in some dank, dark room.

Paulo977

May 27th, 2011
9:57 am

How serious are we about making sure the health of the planet is mainained?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3qGEWezzl0

TaxPayer

May 27th, 2011
9:57 am

Unique….A Republican who believes in climate change and is willing to replace coal with wind and solar… Wow. He also thinks for himself, like dismissing cap and trade as not effective because it does not COST enough to be a deterrent.
He might just be the smartest Repub out there.

So what’s the bad news on this guy. Don’t tell me he believes in that Fairly Odd tax or in a Laffer Curve or worse. He hasn’t frequented any kinky nightclubs, has he? Hiked the Appalachian and ended up in Alaska? What?

jm

May 27th, 2011
9:57 am

retired early 9:54 – um, unique? No. You can add the now shamed “Arnold”, Jon Huntsman, there’s a reasonably long list, though they’re in the minority in the Republican Party (at least in public).

md

May 27th, 2011
9:59 am

“Oh please do provide evidence that anyone has claimed that man alone causes climate change….the man made component has the cummulative effect of significantly and rapidly changing a process that takes 1000s of years to one that may take only 50-100 years or less.”

Have you been living in a cave?

Google is your friend……….it takes about two seconds to pull up “man-made climate change” to satisfy your request…………give it a try………….

and:

“.the man made component has the cummulative effect of significantly and rapidly changing a process that takes 1000s of years to one that may take only 50-100 years or less”

Bogus claim……….no way in the world of substantiating such numbers………….this is a “belief”, and nothing more.

JWH

May 27th, 2011
9:59 am

Kudos NJ! Everyone needs to be on board with its understanding of human caused climate change. Prices need to be increased via a tax, not a market friendly trading program. Its too late for that.

And, its time for everyone to have a plan and a kit – you never know when some big weather is going to hit.

Lastly, I live in PA – our governor’s stand on climate change, fracking and coal use is shameful.

We need to get lean, mean and clean.

AmVet

May 27th, 2011
10:01 am

jm, whatevah.

When confronted with writing repulsive posts, it’s easy to say, “I was kidding”. George W, wow, Harry, etc were the masters of it.

Don’t go there. You’re a good guy.

IMO (not that my opinion matters much at all!) it just reflects exceedingly poorly on you.

Let the victims rest in peace instead of using them so callously…

Left wing management

May 27th, 2011
10:02 am

Jay: md, if conservatives — I mean, any conservatives at all — could bring themselves to acknowledge that mankind is AT LEAST a part of it, to use Christie’s term, and that we need to take action, that would be HUGE.

But in the absolutist GOP, that can’t be allowed to happen

I agree, Jay. That’s what I was most struck by in the Christie statement, namely, just the simple fact that it contains a careful, and perfectly indisputable, qualification, something you almost never hear from the GOP these days with their quasi-Stalinist lockstep orthodoxy.

Simple propositional logic:

1) mankind plays absolutely NO role in climate change
2) mankind plays at least PART of a role in climate change
3) mankind is COMPLETELY responsible for climate change

Right-wing orthodoxy mandates that only 1) or 3) are admissible options.

Peadawg

May 27th, 2011
10:03 am

“But in the absolutist GOP, that can’t be allowed to happen.” – B/c cap-and-tax (trade) is just another excuse by the liberals and environmental wackos to impose yet another tax. If Washington wasn’t so busy fighting 3 wars and trying to hand out food to every country in the world, we would probably have enough money to do serious research on clean energy. Seems to me that the politicians in Washington have their priorities messed up.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 27th, 2011
10:04 am

AmVet @ 9:47 am

You’re welcome.

That’s a color code I have used professionally and for my family for 40 years.

Simple as it is ………. most people go through life on “white” and suffer the consequences (”ah, the doorbell just rung, it must be Mom, she said she was coming over this morning, hi Mom, Ooops !)

The other important is than many folks (including police officers) fail to make the mental switch from orange to red (”if he so much as flinches I am pulling the trigger).

Unfortunately, the last words some officers hear in this life is their own, “drop that weapon, I mean it !”

They never went to red ……….. but the perp. did !

Stay safe ……………………

TaxPayer

May 27th, 2011
10:04 am

I’ve always favored landfills as an energy source.

And they’re so readily accessible when you build the subdivisions right on top of them. You just drive a pipe a few feet down in the ground in your back yard and hook it up to your gas tank and you’re set to go.

saywhat?

May 27th, 2011
10:06 am

To paraphrase Jon Huntsman-”If 90% of the Oncological community said something caused cancer, we would believe them”.

jm

May 27th, 2011
10:06 am

AmVet 10:01 – ah! You’re referring to the Air France thing. Got it.

Well, as a pseudo pilot (and someone who has talked to more than a few pilots about the Air France disaster), there were some serious mistakes made though its impossible to completely judge without being able to see all the information that was in front of those guys. That said, yes, sad a tragedy, but opining on how it happened isn’t a sin.

Comparing Obama to the junior pilot? Maybe, though I think it is a very apt analogy if you understand economics and flying (they’re not too dissimilar).

TaxPayer

May 27th, 2011
10:06 am

Google is your friend……….it takes about two seconds to pull up “man-made climate change” to satisfy your request…………give it a try………….

You should take your own advice, md.

md

May 27th, 2011
10:06 am

Jay…..I see business as usual………..two extremes for political purposes………one side wants to call it “man made” climate change, while the other questions any validity…………..

Nothing new there from the big 2…………..

md

May 27th, 2011
10:06 am

“You should take your own advice, md.”

I did.

Have you?

Mark T

May 27th, 2011
10:07 am

Nothing about the Patriot Act being extended 4 years….typical

saywhat?

May 27th, 2011
10:07 am

“………. just like Obama tries to be the macho military president.”

Right. Just the other day he was parading around on an aircraft carrier dressed in a flight suit. What a loser.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 27th, 2011
10:08 am

Christie is doing nothing but trying to stay in a posture to get some liberal votes.

Politics pure and simple ………. just like Obama tries to be the macho military president.

getalife

May 27th, 2011
10:09 am

Psst, it is about green jobs.

jm

May 27th, 2011
10:10 am

getalife 10:09 – um, no its not

the watch dog

May 27th, 2011
10:10 am

Wind power will save the universe. It is a clean endlessly renewable source of inexpensive power. I know what I am talking about. Everybody should get onboard. All these tornadoes, hurricanes and torrential rain storms is nature’s effort to clear the atmosphere of pollutants. It is a law of physics that before a reaction goes completely out of control there is a wide chaotic fluctuation which we have been having with the weather.
One wind turbine[the Nacelle] can produce enough energy to provide all of the needs for 750,000 homes.
Clemson, sometime ago received a 88 million dollar grant to experiment with wind turbines.
It is the future, no question about it. when you can’t breathe nothing else matters.

retired early

May 27th, 2011
10:10 am

With his apparent ability to use facts to make his decisions, does Christie believe the baseless theory of “trickle down” economics. If his economic plan is something more than cut taxes, cut budgets, regulations etc, and all is well…I would like to hear more from him. He could definitely be a factor in 2016.

TaxPayer

May 27th, 2011
10:10 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 27th, 2011
10:11 am

Ahh there is the typical plan:

1. Deny that man contributes to global warming.
2. If #1 fails, then deny that the man made component has any impact.

md– do try again if you want to have serious discussion. The scientific consensus is that global warming is occurring and is mostly the result of human activity. This finding is recognized by the national science academies of all the major industrialized countries and is not rejected by any scientific body of national or international standing

saywhat?

May 27th, 2011
10:12 am

See 10:07 and 10:08- Scout is so predictable I knew what he was going to say before he did.

getalife

May 27th, 2011
10:14 am

jm,

If you listened to President Clinton, he tried to get investment bankers to invest in green energy jobs instead of housing.

I listen to people who who know but using basic common sense to see it is a win win for our planet and jobs must be above your intellectual capacity.

In other words, it is a no brainer silly.

TaxPayer

May 27th, 2011
10:16 am

Green jobs are indeed the next growth cycle for the US, getalife.

AmVet

May 27th, 2011
10:16 am

Scout, yessir.

I may have shared this story before.

One time many years ago, while in business in Rochester, me and three other guys were in a rental car looking for a nightclub.

We got semi-lost and were in a very unsavory part of town.

The guy who was driving, spots two cars with their lights on parked at a closed down gas station and proposes we ask them for directions.

I damn near backhanded him!

I said, “Are you crazy?!!” To me it looked *exceedingly* suspicious and I could just see the headlines the next morning, “Four out of town businessmen killed by driving up to drug deal.”

Talk about oblivious…

Peadawg

May 27th, 2011
10:17 am

TaxPayer, which is it? Man-Made Global Warming or Man-Made Climate Change? I thought it was change to climate change back in the winter when snow storms were so often across the US and global warming sounded waaay to stoopid.

Balance Our Budget

May 27th, 2011
10:18 am

2 wars, economy struggling, deficit at record levels and Jay is scared of a wittle bit of global warming.
Park your car and ride a bike Jay.Maybe the polar bears won’t get so warm.

Left wing management

May 27th, 2011
10:18 am

Welcome to the Anthropocene”, the current age of the geological time scale, the age in which man himself becomes a geological force in his own right.

The term Anthropocene, proposed and increasingly employed to denote the current interval of anthropogenic global environmental change, may be discussed on stratigraphic grounds. A case can be made for its consideration as a formal epoch in that, since the start of the Industrial Revolution, Earth has endured changes sufficient to leave a global stratigraphic signature distinct from that of the Holocene or of previous Pleistocene interglacial phases, encompassing novel biotic, sedimentary, and geochemical change. These changes, although likely only in their initial phases, are sufficiently distinct and robustly established for suggestions of a Holocene–Anthropocene boundary in the recent historical past to be geologically reasonable. The boundary may be defined either via Global Stratigraphic Section and Point (“golden spike”) locations or by adopting a numerical date. Formal adoption of this term in the near future will largely depend on its utility, particularly to earth scientists
working on late Holocene successions. This datum, from the perspective of the far future, will most probably approximate a distinctive stratigraphic boundary.

http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/~shs/Climate%20change/Geo-politics/Anthropocene%202.pdf

Jay

May 27th, 2011
10:18 am

md, just for the sake of clarity:

Do you, personally, agree that mankind at the very least contributes to climate change and that we should take action to reduce that contribution?

Peadawg, same question to you as well.

md

May 27th, 2011
10:19 am

OK guys, here’s a starting point for you….two simple questions:

What percentage of climate change is due to natural change?

And how did you get the number?

retired early

May 27th, 2011
10:19 am

1811/1801

I do not agree. I think Christie is his own man and calls it like he sees it…that said, he obviously has no plans for higher office.

Adam

May 27th, 2011
10:20 am

I guess it’s true; New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie really isn’t running for the Republican presidential nomination in 2012:

Exactly.

Too bad Climate Change denial isn’t as easy to debunk as the birthers were.

getalife

May 27th, 2011
10:20 am

“Green jobs are indeed the next growth cycle for the US, getalife”

Thank you Taxpayer.

All those hit jobs on Gore have worked in the gullible minds of our cons.

It does not even matter if it is real or not. We treat our planet better and create a new industry for jobs.

Win win winners while cons love to lose to China.

ragnar danneskjold

May 27th, 2011
10:20 am

Au contraire: even if the data “incontrovertibly” proved rising world temperatures, there is no data set theoretically possible that would attribute the “incontrovertible” rise to anthropogenic activity. As temperatures have not yet reached those levels of 1000 AD, I’m not about to run around like a chicken with its head removed, or a leftist, which is indistinguishable from the former. We all know this is about sending more scarce taxpayer money to “scientists” who have no marketable skill otherwise.

jm

May 27th, 2011
10:21 am

Taxpayer / getalife – greenjobs are not the future.

I’ve had more than a few conversations with a big wind energy producer. It takes far fewer people to operate and maintain a windmill than it does to run a power plant, per kilowatt-hour.

Balance Our Budget

May 27th, 2011
10:22 am

Isn’t it funny how the liberals are quoting Christie.To bad they don’t listen to him on the real issues.

Granny Godzilla

May 27th, 2011
10:23 am

About damned time.

Oh, and damn the deniers.

Jay

May 27th, 2011
10:23 am

Au contraire: even if the data “incontrovertibly” proved rising world temperatures, there is no data set theoretically possible that would attribute the “incontrovertible” rise to anthropogenic activity.

Ragnar is correct, but is unwilling to acknowledge the consequences of being correct.

Given the nature of this problem, “there is no data set theoretically possible that would attribute the “incontrovertible” rise to anthropogenic activity.” In other words, even if mankind is absolutely, 100 percent responsible for rapid changes in the climate, it is impossible to prove it with 100 percent certainty. That is a valid statement.

So what do we do? What is the wise and responsible course? Ragnar chooses to use the lack of total absolute proof — indeed, the impossibility of total absolute proof — as an excuse to do nothing, because it’s easier on us and forces us to make no compromises.

Others, such as Christie, conclude that the overwhelming but not total consensus among scientists makes it imperative to act, lest we leave a badly compromised planet to our children and grandchildren.

md

May 27th, 2011
10:23 am

“Do you, personally, agree that mankind at the very least contributes to climate change and that we should take action to reduce that contribution?”

My stance is that we must be having some effect, but no way of knowing how much. But it is also a cost analysis equation………I see no problem moving toward better environmental policies because they make sense in helping the planet…….but not at the expense of our economy, which would decimate the population…………..

jm

May 27th, 2011
10:24 am

retired early –

“he obviously has no plans for higher office” He’s just trying to get re-elected for starters. So he’s staking out reasonably middle ground / consensus.

jm

May 27th, 2011
10:25 am

“Thank you Taxpayer.”

Getalife, you and Taxpayer agreeing with each other does not make it so.

jm

May 27th, 2011
10:26 am

“We treat our planet better and create a new industry for jobs.”

An appalling lack of fundamental economic knowledge being exhibited in that line.

AmVet

May 27th, 2011
10:26 am

“Man-Made Global Warming or Man-Made Climate Change?”

Please, please, please, will some of you AT LEAST get to within five years of current information???

One more time..

Scientists often use the term “climate change” instead of global warming. This is because as the Earth’s average temperature climbs, winds and ocean currents move heat around the globe in ways that can cool some areas, warm others, and change the amount of rain and snow falling. As a result, the climate changes differently in different areas.

http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/gw-overview.html

redneckbluedog

May 27th, 2011
10:26 am

Governor Christie,

You are a no-good, lily-livered liberal who probably loves homosexuals and Mexicans.

Sincerely,

The T-bag

Adam

May 27th, 2011
10:27 am

To get an answer to that crucial question, Christie says, he has been meeting with experts and scientists for the last few months to discuss the issue in depth, and has also done considerable reading and study on his own.

Wow. Actually it’s too bad he isn’t going to be the candidate for GOP. It really might make a difference in the world to have a fresh GOP candidate who thinks for himself.

TaxPayer

May 27th, 2011
10:27 am

Taxpayer / getalife – greenjobs are not the future.

Keep telling yourself that, jm. It still will not make it so because only Jean Luc Picard can do that.

Mick

May 27th, 2011
10:27 am

New Jersey is the most densely populated state in the union, there are more people per square mile than any other state. Jersey people know the smell of carbon monoxide in the air, quite frankly it could be the state smell. I’m glad to be in S. Florida, because of the gulf breeze and no major industrial pollution, the air quality is outstandingly clean…

AmVet

May 27th, 2011
10:28 am

To (sic) bad they don’t listen to him on the real issues.

So BoB, this a fake issue?

LOL…

To illustrate just how great the non-scientific, ideologically driven denial truly is:

…even if the data “incontrovertibly” proved rising world temperatures…

IF?

IF??

IF???

The mountains of data, readings, observations and measurements incontrovertibly DOES prove dramatically rising temperatures worldwide.

Hello?

Is anybody home???

Where's My Party?

May 27th, 2011
10:28 am

I think the vast majority of conservatives do acknowledge that we, humans, play a part in the health and well being of our planet. The problem comes with the solutions offered. Most of the time (please note I did not say all) the solution from the left is more taxation and regulation. It is typically another form of taxing “big business” and the “wealthy”. Mr. Christie has hit the nail on the head. Conservation and effeciency is the answer. Not more regulation and taxation.

jm

May 27th, 2011
10:28 am

Folks, Physics 101 tells you the planet will be warmer by dumping more CO2 in there.

More CO2 = more trapped heat. More trapped heat = warmer planet. CO2 up by 20% in last 50 years. Going to up by 50% in another 40 or 50 if nothing is done. Ie, meltdown.

Adam

May 27th, 2011
10:29 am

md: And there in lies the difference in the national argument……..”part of the problem” does not equate to “cause” of the problem…….which is how the argument has been framed to date……..

It is fair to point out that distinction. Yes, we are not causing the whole problem in technical terms. CO2 is coming from non-manmade sources. HOWEVER, MOST of the CO2 that is being emitted IS our fault, and denying THAT is a serious problem, because if we don’t take responsibility for our part in the problem we won’t even TRY to fix it.

Mick

May 27th, 2011
10:29 am

jm@10:28

Absolutely correct sir…the industrial revolution has brought us great technologies the past 150 years, but it’s time to move into the green era of clean energy and leave the dirty coal/fossil fuels in the past…

jm

May 27th, 2011
10:30 am

Adam 10:27 “It really might make a difference in the world to have a fresh GOP candidate who thinks for himself.”

Huntsman. Romney. And others. Take your blinders off.

getalife

May 27th, 2011
10:30 am

jm,

It is not just wind silly.

The President wants toss the kitchen sink at the problem like he did at the w depression.

We are starting to do just that.

Do you want to wait until the oil runs out?

Peadawg

May 27th, 2011
10:31 am

“Do you, personally, agree that mankind at the very least contributes to climate change and that we should take action to reduce that contribution?”

Sure, but climate was changing waaaaaaaaaay before cars and coal plants were invented, so there’s NO, NONE, ZERO concrete evidence on how much we contribute to it. The whole “man-made” fear-mongering going on now from liberals and tree-huggers is just an excuse for cap-and-tax.

Jay

May 27th, 2011
10:31 am

Peadawg, does that “sure” extend to “we should take action to reduce that contribution?”

jm

May 27th, 2011
10:31 am

TaxPayer 10:27 – well, you’re so certain of it. Please provide the link that shows the jobs created from the construction and maintenance of windmills or solar panels is greater than those created by the construction and maintenance of gas fired and nuclear power plants.

I look forward to your response arriving never.

Joe Mama

May 27th, 2011
10:31 am

Ragnar — “We all know this is about sending more scarce taxpayer money to “scientists” who have no marketable skill otherwise.”

You’d be very surprised at how marketable the skills of scientists are. My dad’s a senior professor at a major Southern university, and has been one for over 40 years. And he’s been recruited *many* times by private industry to leave academia and come work for them.

Since he’s not interested, they instead contract with him and the school to have him (and his graduate students) do research (and occasionally QA) work for them. You know on commercials where you sometimes hear the phrase “scientists at a major university confirmed it?” My dad’s one of those guys. The businesses send a contract and a fat check, the university skims off a fat percentage and my dad uses the rest to buy equipment, reagents and to pay grad students to do the grunt work in the lab. The business wins because they get the work done. The university wins because they get a generous cut. My dad wins because he gets some new gear for the lab. And the grad students win because they get a paying job so they can afford to stay in school and eat ramen noodles.

NONE OF THIS INVOLVES TAXPAYER FUNDING.

Don’t be so dismissive of scientists and their work; it seems pretty plain to me that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

md

May 27th, 2011
10:32 am

“Folks, Physics 101 tells you the planet will be warmer by dumping more CO2 in there.

More CO2 = more trapped heat. More trapped heat = warmer planet. CO2 up by 20% in last 50 years. Going to up by 50% in another 40 or 50 if nothing is done. Ie, meltdown.”

Why does it tell you that jm?

Does the earth have any natural healing alternatives to counter CO2?

The earth as a whole is a living system……….we are only beginning to grasp what it is about…..and we have to use tons of assumptions to even do that…………

Some of you seem to latch on …..no questions asked.

TaxPayer

May 27th, 2011
10:32 am

What percentage of climate change is due to natural change?

Would you mind awfully if we used metrics such as ocean heat content or carbon content in the atmosphere or sea level rise or artic ice loss, etc. You know, things that are actually measurable, md. Would that be okay with you. If so, then just click the link that I gave you in my earlier post or let me know that you want me to repost it.

jm

May 27th, 2011
10:32 am

getalife – “Do you want to wait until the oil runs out?”

Not a pertinent question. On that basis, we have another 100 years to wait.

getalife

May 27th, 2011
10:33 am

“Take your blinders off.”

Excellent advice for yourself jm.

Open your mind man.

TaxPayer

May 27th, 2011
10:33 am

jm

May 27th, 2011
10:31 am
TaxPayer 10:27 – well, you’re so certain of it. Please provide the link that shows the jobs created from the construction and maintenance of windmills or solar panels is greater than those created by the construction and maintenance of gas fired and nuclear power plants.

How about electric cars and recycling centers and higher fuel efficieny designs in power plants and automobiles, etc. There’s more to green than a Trumped golf course, doncha know. By the way, wouldn’t you consider gas fired and nuclear power plants to be more “green” than a coal-fired plant. Just curious.