Court decision in Arizona case critical to Georgia law

In a 5-3 decision, the Supreme Court has upheld a controversial illegal immigration bill enacted in Arizona. It’s an important decision, and as a matter of law if not policy, I actually agree with it. However, it’s important to note what the decision does and does not do.

First, this is not a decision on Arizona’s most recent and controversial immigration bill, which has also been challenged in the courts. That case will be decided on grounds of civil liberties, due process, the Tenth Amendment and similar provisions, and will almost certainly be overturned in the end. It goes way too far.

Today’s decision deals instead with a bill that was signed into law back in 2007 by then-Gov. Janet Napolitano, now the secretary of Homeland Security, and was decided on the wording of existing federal law.

It deals with a very limited issue: Do the states have the power to deny licenses to businesses that do not use E-Verify to check the legal status of new workers? In a decision authored by Chief Justice John Roberts, the court said yes. As Roberts noted, federal law prohibits states from imposing civil or criminal violations on businesses that hire illegal immigrants. However, that same federal law does give states the power to address that issue “through licensing and similar laws.”

That’s what Arizona did, the high court says it’s legal, and again, I think they’re right. As Roberts writes, “Arizona’s procedures simply implement the sanctions that Congress expressly allowed the States to pursue through licensing laws.”

Second, the decision has a major impact on the future of Georgia’s new immigration law. HB 87, signed into law earlier this month by Gov. Nathan Deal, took the same basic approach on mandated use of the E-Verify system as did the 2007 Arizona. It too makes the issuance of business licenses conditional on agreeing to use E-Verify. Since the Arizona law survived challenge, the relevant part of HB 87 is now almost certain to survive legal challenge as well.

In fact, the Arizona law contains strong enforcement language that state Rep. Matt Ramsey, the author of Georgia’s law, did not include in his own bill. Ramsey said those provisions were not included because he feared they were unconstitutional, but in light of today’s ruling, they clearly are not.

Ramsey’s decision can be more plausibly explained by fear that if he included strong enforcement provisions, business opposition would have been enough to kill the legislation. And he was no doubt right.

UPDATE: In a dissent joined by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Justice Stephen Breyer asserts that the Arizona law may increase job discrimination against legal workers of Hispanic ancestry. As he points out, employers may try to minimize chances of running afoul of the law by simply refusing to hire anybody who might be illegal.

Roberts brushes aside such concerns, but I think he’s wrong on that point. The concern is legitimate, but given the plain language in federal law, I’m not what can be done about it by the courts.

– Jay Bookman

242 comments Add your comment

Palin fan

May 26th, 2011
12:17 pm

Constitution schmonstitution.

Whatever it takes to keep those people out and send the illegals back is good (what part of “illegal” do you not understand?)

Mr Right

May 26th, 2011
12:19 pm

Palin fan

Yea, what you said !

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2011
12:20 pm

More obstacles and regulations for small businesses…but regulations and obstacles that keep illegal immigrants from taking jobs from legal workers…oh how will should I feel about this? I know let’s ask Archer Daniels Midland, Bank of America and the rest of our corporate overlords…

ATF

May 26th, 2011
12:22 pm

Without penalties for employers who hire illegal aliens, the problem will continue. It is the jobs that lure the illegal aliens here. We can send 11 million people back to where ever they came from. We can “close” the borders with Mexico and Canada, as much as you can close a stretch that measures 1,969 miles on the south and 3,987 on the north. But, without penalties for employers who hire illegals, in another twenty years we will have another 11 million to ship out all over again.

Aquagirl

May 26th, 2011
12:25 pm

The Vidalia onion farmers just collectively peed their pants.

Mr Right

May 26th, 2011
12:28 pm

So it’s o k for employers to check but not the law ? If it’s discrimanation for one why isn’t it for the other ?

Granny Godzilla

May 26th, 2011
12:29 pm

Good for the Supreme Court.

AND

Good for Justice Kagan, she set an excellent example in recusing herself from this case that other Justices should heed.

andygrdzki

May 26th, 2011
12:30 pm

A couple of things:

They are not refugees, and this is by definition of refugee.

They are criminals, as defined by the US Code itself, that calls for criminal fines and/or imprisonment.

The unemployment rate in Mexico in March of 2011 was 5.6%,, in the U.S. around 9%.

And I agree, make businesses accountable….. All the Democrats that hire illegal’s should be held accountable…… And that includes Unions……

stands for decibels

May 26th, 2011
12:30 pm

an excellent example in recusing herself from this case that other Justices should heed.

yeah, that’s gonna happen.

Jay

May 26th, 2011
12:30 pm

Mr. Right, in Georgia it’s OK for businesses to check. But it’s not OK for government to check on businesses.

andygrdzki

May 26th, 2011
12:32 pm

I have said in the past to fine businesses $25k for each violation (per person), and none of you would support that……

Jay

May 26th, 2011
12:33 pm

So Andy, what happens when employers then begin to refuse to hire ANY Hispanic, legal or otherwise, to avoid the risk of such a huge fine? Would that cause you concern?

willie lynch

May 26th, 2011
12:34 pm

Palin fan

May 26th, 2011
12:17 pm

I see why?

Jay,

You’re right. The Georgia statutes were only meant to be lip service to the bigger problem. It’s really quite simple, if businesses are punished with what would amount to a deportation of their business, they would not hire illegals. But this might require them hiring someone who demands more than slave wages to perform the backbreaking work that these illegals will do for pennies on the dollar.

The correct approach is to punish both ends of the problem, the illegal workers and the businesses that hire them. But do so with equal vigor.

joe

May 26th, 2011
12:35 pm

Jay, businesses are, and will continue to hire Hispanics because they are good workers with good working ethics…and they make great citizens and raise good families. They are an asset to our country. So now the employees must check, this will weed out those who are not here legally, opening up a job opportunity for a US citizen. What about that is a negative?? Please enlighten us…

I’ll do it for you…NOTHING.

eddie

May 26th, 2011
12:35 pm

We don’t need no laws. Let’s have a free for all. And when some illegal breaks into Bookman’s house and steals everything no nailed down, I’m sure he’ll say that it is OK and will not file a police report nor collect on his insurance. The US is everyone who is here legally’s house..illegals here are criminals based upon our laws no matter how they got here. PS…there is an established process to seek legal status but illegals want some special dispensation from Obama so that they can automatically go to the head of the line.

Peadawg

May 26th, 2011
12:38 pm

“In a 5-3 decision, the Supreme Court has upheld a controversial illegal immigration bill enacted in Arizona.” – AMEN!

Let the IF-games, MAY-games and fear mongering from the Left begin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BADA BING

May 26th, 2011
12:38 pm

If the Vidalia onions don’t get picked, they will become a scarce commodity. They will become higher priced next year when wages to pick them will go up. This happens to every product or crop in the history of commerce. You pays for what you gets. We have no guarantee or expectation of prices lower than the going rate. If immigrants don’t pick the crops, the prices will go up until some US citizens will. Pay the price or don’t.

Brent

May 26th, 2011
12:39 pm

You don’t have to worry about businesses not hiring Hispanics. Hispanics produce more work for less money. That’s why businesses hire illegals in the first place.

Jay

May 26th, 2011
12:40 pm

If the Vidalia onions don’t get picked, they will become a scarce commodity. They will become higher priced next year when wages to pick them will go up.

And then cheaper-priced onions will replace them in the market.

Face Ripper Monkey 2012

May 26th, 2011
12:40 pm

Face Ripper Monkey does not want illegal orangutans taking jobs from other monkeys.

Peadawg

May 26th, 2011
12:40 pm

“In fact, the Arizona law contains strong enforcement language that state Rep. Matt Ramsey, the author of Georgia’s law, did not include in his own bill. Ramsey said those provisions were not included because he feared they were unconstitutional, but in light of today’s ruling, they clearly are not.” – Let’s hope the GA law is revised and the strong enforcement language is added.

Jefferson

May 26th, 2011
12:42 pm

When farmers were not agribusinessmen, you know “dirt poor”, no ac on the tractors etc… they had large families to do labor and hired migrant workers. Now they just make more profit on migrant workers. These new laws by the GOP will limit profit or somebody else will have to do some “real” farm work.

Smarty

May 26th, 2011
12:44 pm

I for one I agree with the law with this…For way too long both companies and the latinos have skirted the issue of taxes. With the Latinos they are hard working people and will do jobs that some minorities won’t do. Some of the other minorities have found out that is cheaper to do nothing and get free pay and free housing. BUT for the companies and some latinos have not paid taxes and need to for Social Security and State & Federal Taxes. Time to pay your fare share. I have too you can too.

Kamchak

May 26th, 2011
12:45 pm

I say not just business licenses.

Make it personal.

Revoke professional licenses as well, Doctors, Lawyers, Contractors, CPAs.

If an illegal is caught working on their property, revoke licenses and make ‘em spend time at Reidsville.

BADA BING

May 26th, 2011
12:47 pm

Do you know what type of conditions these migrants live in to pick your food? Why do people boycott blood diamonds, but demand a low price on their peanuts, fruit, beans? Pay a living wage so that Americans will work on farms. We pay the lowest food prices in the World, and our food is safer. Give up your toys and pay for safe, plentiful food.

Aquagirl

May 26th, 2011
12:47 pm

“And then cheaper-priced onions will replace them in the market.”

So true. I think this decision sets up a big game of chicken. States that adopt e-verify requirements will be risking their industries if surrounding states (or countries, depending on the product) don’t do the same. If HB 87 runs illegals out of Georgia, we gain financially by not having to provide services. On the other hand, some of our industries are toast, and that won’t help our economy. Few consumers care how a product was produced, they just want the cheapest price. If people cared, we would have been doing this ourselves.

Jefferson

May 26th, 2011
12:48 pm

No matter what, the court has ruled. That’s the way it works, like it or not.

Hillbilly D

May 26th, 2011
12:48 pm

If the Vidalia onions don’t get picked, they will become a scarce commodity. They will become higher priced next year when wages to pick them will go up.

And then cheaper-priced onions will replace them in the market.

Ain’t that the way the free market is supposed to work? Disclaimer I don’t like onions anyway, but if I did, I’d grow my own.

andygrdzki

May 26th, 2011
12:48 pm

Jay, I don’t think that will happen,,,, If the employer performs due diligence, the business should not held accountable… I don’t think there will widespread discrimination, and I think that claim is just a scare tactic.

If a person has a valid social security card and license, etc… they will be qualified if they are hired. Now, if you have an illegal that has presented fraudulent documents, as in the case of Nicki Diaz, then they should be held accountable and prosecuted, not the business owner that performed due diligence. When I applied for my current position, I had to present the documents to prove I was legal, and heck, I am retired military, white and an “ole fart”, I mean senior person…

People here have said businesses should be held accountable,,, okay hold them accountable…. As an international company, we hire people from around the world… Each one must have the proper documents and they are checked out….. That is our company policy…. And we have employees in and from South America, Argentina, Dominican Republic, France, Spain… we are not worried…

USMC

May 26th, 2011
12:50 pm

“So Andy, what happens when employers then begin to refuse to hire ANY Hispanic, legal or otherwise, to avoid the risk of such a huge fine? Would that cause you concern?”
–JAY BOOKMAN

Boy, how about these two new words for the day: DELUSIONAL & PARANOID?????

I guess by Jay’s twisted (IL)logic; we shouldn’t have laws at all… Unbelievable!

iRun

May 26th, 2011
12:54 pm

You know, Russia has the same problem. The damn Tajiks keep crossing the border to take the low paying jobs the Russians won’t take and it pissed some of them off. Meanwhile, the Kazaks are quietly gaining a foothold in the world economy…what is their secret?

Hey, true story. I learned it from a Krg.

Hillbilly D

May 26th, 2011
12:54 pm

Slightly off topic….

It’s interesting that some people who live in air conditioned homes, drive air-conditioned cars and work in an air-conditioned environment, seem to begrudge a farmer for having an air-conditioned tractor. Why shouldn’t they, if they can afford one?

andy @ 12:48

I’ve had to show a birth certificate at every job I’ve had for the last 20 or so years. One time my employer was even a distant relative and he knew it but the dotted his “i’s” and crossed his “t’s”, anyway.

BADA BING

May 26th, 2011
12:55 pm

No, cheaper priced onions will not replace Vidalias. Do you not know the difference?You can buy any old onions you want, but not as a replacement. Can you replace a filet mignon with ground beef? Can you replace Jessica Alba with Rosie O’Donnell? You can substitute it, but not replace it.

andygrdzki

May 26th, 2011
12:57 pm

A couple of things:

First, we need to secure the borders… no question about it.

Second, I think we need to come up with a “legal worker program”. With Mexico’s tax laws, if residents of Mexico pay taxes in the US, they will not have to pay taxes in Mexico, they are offset. Okay, set up a program, to start making them legal workers in the US, while they apply for citizenship? One of the conditions, just as it applies to any legal immigrant, you cannot obtain services without paying… … okay, then start a sponsorship program. This should not be automatic….. you have to work for it, just like any other immigrant……

iRun

May 26th, 2011
12:58 pm

So I asked, are there any really good authentic Tajik restaurants in Russia now? Or is all still that commercialized Ruski-Tajiki cr@p?

Mr Right

May 26th, 2011
12:58 pm

Jay,the question is do YOU think it’s OK for businesses to check ?

AmVet

May 26th, 2011
12:59 pm

Jefferson, as someone who had extensive experience in that role, I can assure today’s teenagers are, by and large, completely unwilling to do that kind of work. They are MUCH too soft and MUCH to demotivated.

Farm work is anything but glamorous. It usually involves getting very dirty, most of it is backbreaking and it often involves VERY long days. For weeks and weeks and weeks on end. Often during the most brutally hot conditions. (For example, try stacking hale bales in a barn loft when it is 105 degrees OUTSIDE!)

Or bone numbing cold. Like feeding cattle when you can barely feel your toes.

But I absolutely loved it!

It was the first time in my then young life that I had a chance to make some coin (I think I made a dollar an hour or so!) And it taught me that there are lots of people out there who bust their asses every single day. And these guys did it for most, if not all, of their adult lives.

You city slickers wanna put your money where your mouth is? Go thank a farmer, and the guys he uses to get those jobs done. Yep, even Jose and Juan, who are doing what your pampered, lazy kids wont…

Face Ripper Monkey 2012

May 26th, 2011
1:00 pm

iRun is getting political and missing out on the Momania action.

Face Ripper Monkey 2012

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2011
1:01 pm

Hillbilly D,

“I’ve had to show a birth certificate at every job I’ve had for the last 20 or so years. ”

Really? I’ve worked for the 22 years and have shown my birth certificate exactly 0 times when filling out paperwork for a new job.

Jay

May 26th, 2011
1:01 pm

Mr. Right, yes.

iRun

May 26th, 2011
1:01 pm

Bada Bing, I once met a guy who told me that a woman was simply a life support system for a va-jay-jay. For someone like that, who cares if it’s Alba or O’Donnell, right?

* disclosure – I actually heard that and to this day it’s one of the most brutally offensive things I’ve ever heard. Nice wake-up call for a 19 year old college girl, eh?

AmVet

May 26th, 2011
1:01 pm

And hell no, we didn’t have AC on those 1965 John Deeres. But we did have AM radios, which to me, were much more valuable!

And where I coined the phrase of hearing “Eight Days a Week, eight times a day”…

iRun

May 26th, 2011
1:02 pm

That’s because I like to get a little silly on the political blogs. It’s an immune reaction to the amount of self-absorption in here. I click on Jay’s blog and suddenly all the moisture is sucked out of my computer and it starts creaking. I gotta do something to lighten things up.

Face Ripper Monkey 2012

May 26th, 2011
1:02 pm

Face Ripper Monkey likes getting dirty.

Face Ripper Monkey 2012

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2011
1:02 pm

I am quite impressed though…this thread has 38 comments and only 1 “Obama” in all of them.

andygrdzki

May 26th, 2011
1:04 pm

jewcowboy… I have had to show mine several times.. Not lately, but in the past…. So I guess it depends…

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2011
1:04 pm

iRun,

“suddenly all the moisture is sucked out of my computer”

To get my electronics nice and moist…I soak them in butter.

BADA BING

May 26th, 2011
1:04 pm

jewcowboy, glad to see you. I think of you when I see the new Caddy, I am amazed that I see a good number of them, even at that price. Enjoy. What is your MPG?

iRun

May 26th, 2011
1:06 pm

I’d ending up eating the butter. And if another person walks by and sees me wiping my computer screen down with a piece of toast I might get in trouble….

sallie

May 26th, 2011
1:06 pm

Tear down that wall, Mr. Gorbachev!

BADA BING

May 26th, 2011
1:08 pm

irun…..get some ‘I Can’t Believe It’s a Screen Saver’!

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2011
1:08 pm

Howdy BADA BING,

A slow day for change so I thought I would check out Jay’s place. I see quite a few, but most are just the base CTS…though I have seen more CTS-V’s than I would have thought. My MPG? Seems more like GPM ;)

Jefferson

May 26th, 2011
1:08 pm

Hillbilly, to clarify I don’t begrudge farmers who have ac, but back then when farming wasn’t a lucritive occupation (some) they couldn’t afford dentist trips for the kids, much less ac on the mule or tractor if they were a big farm. It is hard work, and high risk but profits come from low costs or high prices.

Hillbilly D

May 26th, 2011
1:08 pm

jewcowboy @ 1:01

I really have. Although, I haven’t worked in a job that had a lot of illegal labor during that time, I was working in geographic areas where it was way above the national average. Maybe that had something to do with it, I don’t know.

Left wing management

May 26th, 2011
1:08 pm

“Show me a 50-foot wall and I’ll show you a 51-foot ladder” – Janet Napolitano

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2011
1:09 pm

iRun,

“And if another person walks by and sees me wiping my computer screen down with a piece of toast I might get in trouble….”

If I remember correctly, don’t you work at the CDC? You might have some folks in white coats quietly pushing you out the door ;)

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2011
1:10 pm

“get some ‘I Can’t Believe It’s a Screen Saver’!”

:)

Face Ripper Monkey 2012

May 26th, 2011
1:11 pm

CDC
1600 Clifton Road

BADA BING

May 26th, 2011
1:13 pm

left wing…..in the meantime, you have forced someone to buy and transport a 50 foot ladder. You also need 2 ladders, you have to get down on the other side.

Hillbilly D

May 26th, 2011
1:14 pm

Jefferson

I wasn’t referring to what you said, specifically, but it did make me think of comments that I’ve heard from other people. (Sorry, if it came off wrong). In my area, dentist trips were scarce unless somebody had an absessed tooth, they couldn’t get out themselves. (My great-Grandpa was a country dentist. Charged $1 to pull a tooth). When my parents were coming up, they got one pair of shoes a year and that was in the fall, so they’d have shoes for the winter. I do know people who weren’t that fortunate.

I never saw a John Deere tractor until I was grown. In our world it was a Ford, a Ferguson, or a Farmall, if you had a tractor. Nobody could afford a John Deere.

iRun

May 26th, 2011
1:14 pm

JCB (that comes out like juicy-bee, btw), yep CDC…but I took the week off bc my kid is out of school as of Tues. So, in this case, the only person to witness the butter bath would be a 10 year old…and he’d want to join in.

And FRM12, but which building, floor, cube?????? And what’s the secret handshake to get in?

Hillbilly D

May 26th, 2011
1:15 pm

Did the time shifting posts get fixed?

Face Ripper Monkey 2012

May 26th, 2011
1:15 pm

Face Ripper Monkey will cut government waste. For example. CDC employees will not post on blogs during work hours.

iRun

May 26th, 2011
1:16 pm

FRM12 – you’ve been punked! I ain’t on the clock!!!!! Whooooooo heeeee!

As many here have noticed, I am not all that regular here (hey, that’s in common with the aforementioned PMS). Bc (1) Hatch act, and (2) too damn busy at work to play.

iRun

May 26th, 2011
1:18 pm

Hey, we can post about zombie preparedness on CDC blogs. Legitimate public health campaign.

Finn McCool

May 26th, 2011
1:18 pm

It is the jobs that lure the illegal aliens here.

No, it’s the free beer!

…and Disney World fer cyin out loud.

MW

May 26th, 2011
1:19 pm

Hillbilly D

May 26th, 2011
1:19 pm

To myself at 1:15

Evidently not. :lol:

Face Ripper Monkey 2012

May 26th, 2011
1:19 pm

Face Ripper Monkey wants your vote.

BADA BING

May 26th, 2011
1:19 pm

irun….I save my secret handshakes for Jessica Alba.

USMC

May 26th, 2011
1:22 pm

More Federal Government Waste of Tax Dollars

Billions and Billions…
http://blogs.ajc.com/jamie-dupree-washington-insider/2011/05/26/billions-and-billions/

BADA BING

May 26th, 2011
1:23 pm

Hillbilly….the time shifting is still happening on my comp. J must have a time machine or a wormhole in the internets.

AngryRedMarsWoman

May 26th, 2011
1:23 pm

“You also need 2 ladders, you have to get down on the other side.”

Once at the top, can’t you just straddle the wall, pull up the ladder and use it to get down on the other side? Is this a test?

jconservative

May 26th, 2011
1:25 pm

As I recall the Georgia statute only requires businesses to register to use E-Verify and then state that they are using it. No one from State government will check to see if they are really using E-Verify.

Farmer standing in the field supervising the picking of his crop and a truck drives up. Six guys get out and ask for a job. The farmer says OK I am paying $8 a basket. The guys from the truck say OK. They go to work and work all day. They get paid, get in the truck, and drive off never to be seen again.

Happens daily.

What part of “getting the crop in before it spoils” do you not understand?

Hillbilly D

May 26th, 2011
1:26 pm

Once at the top, can’t you just straddle the wall, pull up the ladder and use it to get down on the other side?

Not if it’s topped with barbed wire or razor wire?

The farmer says OK I am paying $8 a basket.

In my area, they’d be lucky to get $100 for a 10-12 hour day. You’d have to have good production to get that much.

deegee

May 26th, 2011
1:27 pm

BADA BING, the ladder is supplied by an individual living near the fence who will enthusiastically walk it to the fence for a price. You catch the people on the other side. They aren’t a bunch of couch potatoes like the people that are supposedly losing their jobs to them.

@@

May 26th, 2011
1:28 pm

So does Illinois (land of Obama) still prohibit the use of E-verify? According to them, the federal government’s much ballyhooed E-Verify system is fraught with errors.

Surprising? Not really. It is, after all, a government system. It’s only a matter of time before some unfortunate victim hollers…..FOUL!!!!!

That’s probably why the feds don’t mandate the use of E-Verify. It’s safer for them to merely suggest.

Left wing management

May 26th, 2011
1:29 pm

Isn’t it unbelievable – and supremely typical – that in this debate everything is discussed except the actual causes, which is the policy of the elites in BOTH the nations USA and Mexico. It is their neoliberal economic policies that are directly responsible for the massive outflows of low-earning migrants from Mexico into this country for jobs that pay marginally more.

And yet, you read the posts on this blog and you will see EVERYTHING BUT this mentioned as causes.

Why is that?

Midori

May 26th, 2011
1:30 pm

MADISON, Wisconsin (Reuters) – A Wisconsin judge on Thursday voided a controversial Republican-backed law restricting the collective bargaining rights of public sector unions.

Dane County Judge Maryann Sumi said Republican lawmakers violated the state’s open meetings law in rushing the legislation through during massive protests at the state Capitol earlier this year.

Sumi ruled the evidence was “clear and convincing” that Republicans failed to comply with the law in a hastily called meeting in March to push through legislation containing the collective bargaining changes.

The Wisconsin proposal championed by Republican Governor Scott Walker would eliminate most collective bargaining rights for public sector unions and require them to pay more for pensions and health coverage. The law has been on hold pending the legal decision.

(Reporting by Jeff Mayers; Writing by Greg McCune; Editing by Peter Bohan)

Source: Reuters US Online Report Domestic News

Finn McCool

May 26th, 2011
1:30 pm

teh internets

there, fixed yer typo

USMC

May 26th, 2011
1:31 pm

Big Blow to the Bookman Camp:

Supreme Court backs Arizona immigration law that punishes businesses
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/05/26/scotus.arizona.law/index.html?hpt=T1

BADA BING

May 26th, 2011
1:32 pm

degree, a fence is not made to keep things out 100%. A wall, a redan, a rampart, a fence, a moat, all are defensive devices to slow, channel, or stand up an opponent. It must still be manned, hell the Great Wall of China was the largest obstacle ever built, yet it was still manned. It forces people to spend time, resources and energy, until the defense can respond. A wall is just one of a multi layered defense.

Finn McCool

May 26th, 2011
1:32 pm

a truck drives up. Six guys get out and ask for a job.

I believe driving the truck will get you in hot water too.

Finn McCool

May 26th, 2011
1:34 pm

Anyone have a good idea on how to provide 20′ of climbing material for tomato plants, squash and cukes?

I have to get em off the ground.

Finn McCool

May 26th, 2011
1:35 pm

it isn’t all about bringing in the vidalia onions.

or cutting up meat – poultry, beef, pork

Food processing is inundated with illegals cause the work is dangerous and low paying.

BADA BING

May 26th, 2011
1:35 pm

Mars woman……can you sit on a 50 foot fence and pull up a ladder that weighs 50-100 lbs, and lower it to the ground? If you can, I don’t ever want to meet you.

@@

May 26th, 2011
1:36 pm

20′ tomato plants?

For the cukes and squash, I’ve seen people form a row of upside down U with chicken wire.

Hillbilly D

May 26th, 2011
1:36 pm

a truck drives up. Six guys get out and ask for a job.

Usually the truck drives up to the 6 guys and somebody asks the 6 guys if they’re looking for a job.

AngryRedMarsWoman

May 26th, 2011
1:37 pm

I find it kinda funny that whenever there is a discussion about illegal/undocumented folks the conversation always turns to farm work. I might be mistaken, but I was under the impression that most people are more concerned about the folks who aren’t driving around from farm to farm, but rather have simply decided to start homesteading and take up office cleaning, car washing, clerical, construction and restaurant work. Have you been in Smyrna or Marietta lately? These are not folks squeezing into pick-ups and driving around the country chasing harvests, they are folks who have simply found a place to squat and employers willing to skirt the laws. I have some very mixed emotions about the whole issue that I won’t go into – I just wanted to point out that it isn’t all about bringing in the vidalia onions.

Kamchak

May 26th, 2011
1:39 pm

…hell the Great Wall of China was the largest obstacle ever built, yet it was still manned.

Yep.

And people merely walked around it or bribed their way through it.

carlosgvv

May 26th, 2011
1:40 pm

Business wants illegals for cheap labor. Politicians want them for the vote. The Catholic Church wants them for parishoners. Do you really think any anti-immigration law will be enforced even if the Court upholds it? There are laws on the books already that prohibit age discrimination in hiring. They are not worth the paper they are printed on. What makes you think any illegal immigration bill will be any different?

Finn McCool

May 26th, 2011
1:40 pm

“Bad Newt! Go to your room!”

Addicted to excess in every facet of his life, Gingrich first became an important figure in the conservative movement almost two decades ago chiefly because — unlike the more decorous Republicans who then led his party — he was eager to utter the most vicious accusations against liberals and Democrats.

More than that, he encouraged other Republicans around the country to do likewise, founding an organization called GOPAC that trained right-wing candidates how to use a lexicon of slurs describing their liberal or Democratic opponents as “sick,” “pathetic,” “radical” and “traitors,” among other things.

http://truthout.org/gingrich-style/1306423550

Bosch

May 26th, 2011
1:40 pm

Question — this is my dumb question of the day, but does this include all businesses? And all employees or business or new hires???? The reason I ask is that my mom owned her own business for many years until she died last summer, and she had more than 5 less than 10 employees. Will we now have to check the current employees in e-verify or do we have to do this with new hires??? I should know this, but I don’t…so hence my dumb assness in asking.

jm

May 26th, 2011
1:40 pm

I’m glad Jay’s not playing “stand in constitutional scholar” today…..

BADA BING

May 26th, 2011
1:41 pm

kamchak…..did the Great Wall of China keep out SQUIRRELS?

Bosch

May 26th, 2011
1:42 pm

Ewww, wow, can the person posting as “Face Ripper Monkey” please change names? That’s making my butt sphincter constrict and it’s very uncomfortable. Just asking.

iRun

May 26th, 2011
1:42 pm

OK, you folks are getting too serious for me. I’m gonna go take a bike ride in Freedom Park with my spawn before it starts raining.

There’s better be more self-important opinions on these sheets by the time I get back or I’m crackin skulls!

Hillbilly D

May 26th, 2011
1:44 pm

Finn McCool @ 1:34

I make cages out of concrete reinforcing wire. It comes in 50′ and 250′ rolls, I think. The squares on the rows are 6″. This is dependent on what you want but I cut out a section 10 squares long. You’ll need bolt cutters or something pretty stout to cut it with. when you cut it, cut in the middle of the square and the piece left can be bent over to secure the cage. Cut the bottom so that you have wire sticking out that will secure it when you push down, on the cage.That’ll give you a cage, roughly 4 1/2 feet tall and 2-3 feet in diameter. You can use sticks, strips of wood or anything to place crossways through the cage for support. It’s a little expensive initially but they’ll last forever and you can use them from now on.

There are other methods but that is what I’ve found that works best for me. I only use it on tomatos and cucumbers and occasionally cantalopes but for cantalopes, they run along the grown but the cage will help keep the deer from eating the cantalopes.

josef nix

May 26th, 2011
1:44 pm

Mars woman…

While I agree wholeheartedly with much of what you say and while you make the point that you have issues…that word “squat” sticks in my craw. I have many latino friends and neighbors and the image of them “squatting” is just as stereotypical and wrong as assuming they are all farmworkers…”they” have settled in an live pretty much the same as their anglo neighbors…

ALSO Y’ALL

The latino “work ethic” keeps being brought up and while I agree you get more bang for your buck, it’s more the immigrant work ethic…believe me, working as I do with their children, you can spot a “legal” or a “born here” with no trouble…”yessir, nossir, pardon me” homework turned in, sit down and do your work, don’t talk back, mama and daddy (and maybe even older sibling, aunt, uncle and grandma) there in a minute when the teacher calls? Illegal or immigrant…natives or papered? Pretty much the opposite.

Send them back where they came from and all that’ll be left are the uppity ones! See how much work you get for twice the wage now…

AngryRedMarsWoman

May 26th, 2011
1:44 pm

Sorry, @BADA, that is work this American simply won’t do. I suppose I could find an illegal who could do it for me though. (cymbal crash) I’ll be here all week….nyuk nyuk nyuk