‘Freedom-loving’ NRA dictates what doctors can say to patients

Even if the patient says it’s “none of your business”, how will the doctor respond to that answer. One could say it’s like pleading the fifth.

“Indeed, this bill is designed to shame women, as if we are daft creatures unable to make personal, private medical decisions without the paternalistic oversight of legislators,” the head of a Texas pro-choice group noted.

Just as the patient can refuse to answer, so too can the woman refuse the shame.

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“Republicans want gov’t out of private lives”

Not exactly. They want government out of THEIR lives. Yours and mine? Not so much.

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I hate hate HATE those sonogram bills. Louisiana passed one, and continually pushes the abortion-ban and show-me-your-birth-certificate agenda. Florida is doing similar things.

So I have a question for you guys who voted Republican in 2010: Still think there’s no national push here?

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“But you cannot logically argue that it is government’s place to dictate what can and cannot be said between patient and doctor.” – Says someone who supports a 15 person panel of “experts” deciding what treatmet someone can receive. Save it, Jay.

“And then there’s Texas. This week, Gov. Rick Perry signed a bill into law that requires women seeking an abortion to first undergo a sonogram. The attending physician is required by law to “describe the fetus, noting the size and condition of limbs and organs.” In addition, the patient must then wait 24 hours after the sonogram is performed before undergoing the abortion. As one person noted, the bill does everything but require the woman to give the fetus a name and schedule its funeral.

“Indeed, this bill is designed to shame women, as if we are daft creatures unable to make personal, private medical decisions without the paternalistic oversight of legislators,” the head of a Texas pro-choice group noted.” – Ouch. I like this one! Send the women on a guilt trip!!!

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Let me add the experts are appointed by Congress/President. I’m not talking about insurance companies.

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Did anyone else notice the headline lede change?

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“Did anyone else notice the headline lede change?”

Yep!

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Doctor: Do you store your guns correctly?

Person who doesn’t but thinks he does: Of course I do!

*End of discussion*

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Republicans want gov’t out of private lives…unless it fits into their ideology.

Not intended to be a factual statement

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Jay 2:48 (from downstairs) – JPM’s own title (they were the author – Bosch, to the PDF which I obviously can’t link to) was: maybe the biggest estimation miss ever

Reading the NY Times article now.

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D*mn…abortion and guns in the same thread…! Hot times in the old town tonight…looks like the Imam is just tryin to stir up a stink…

But the doctor and the question? My own response would be, “why do you want to know?” And it would depend on the doctor…a pediatrician? Perhaps…especially if he were to say he was worried about my child possibly having suicidal/murderous inclinations…my shrink (that is if I had one)? I certainly hope s/he would!

But a law? Oy….

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On topic, I think these bills are ridiculous.

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Oh, and Jay, BTW, I would agree that banks suck at their job too. 30 years of federal reserve “bailouts” through drastically lower rates at the turn of every recession will do that.

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Peadawg: Show me legislation or even proposed legislation that tells people what they can and cannot eat. Adults I mean. School lunches don’t count because, seriously, like a kid is gonna know how to eat healthy in the first place…

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**“What if I have an adolescent who’s been bullied, who’s not suicidal? I don’t think, under the current bill, I’m entitled to ask him if there’s a gun in the home, or if he’s carried a gun to school, or if he’s thinking of harming someone else with a gun.”**

In that case, the doctor would be duty bound to ask the parent if the child has access to any weapons that may harm himself or others, the parent should be informed about this child’s emotional state…

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oops! “by not framing it as a sentence” should be “by not framing it as a QUESTION”

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Do you store your guns correctly? Yes, I always wipe the blood off and apply WD/40.

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“would imply that parents are daft creatures unable to make personal, ”

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/state/four-injured-after-gun-accidentally-discharges-in-orlando-1496589.html?sort=desc

And your point is?

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My $.02 is that the Meltdown of 2008 is a lot more like the Panic of 1907, than the Great Depression of the 1930’s. That’s just me talkin’, though.

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“Says the human who is biologically incapable of ever giving birth.” – Don’t want to be sent on a guilt trip by doctor? Don’t have the abortion. It’s your CHOICE.

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How are all y’all?

I drop in to see “wutsup” and I find guns and abortions on the table.

After reading up on the NY26 election, I’m not sure I get the GOP anymore.

Gun rights?, OK, I get it, you want them, you should have them, @nd Amendment and all that, but I’ve never considered guns pro life.

Then the GOP wants to save fetuses but also wants to put the kibosh on Medicare and screw the elderly (I take that personally).

I will be more impressed with the GOP when they get cracking on things for the living…like more jobs.

They are torturing women with insanely sadistic rules and they are using their guns to shoot themmselves in the foot. 2012 is going to be fun…

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Well, I think Drs. should butt out of our private life. What business they got asking how I store my anti-tank gun and the two machine guns I use for hunting and self-defense? They don’t fit in one of those neat little gun cases. I figure if a kid crawls under my bed when he’s got no right to be there and then shoots hisself with a loaded weapon, it’s the kid’s fault. I ain’t keeping weapons without ammo in them. I mean, if a pair of thugs breaks in to my trailer I don’t intend to defend myself just with what comes out of my zipper.

But the sonogram bill is a real winner. Only it don’t go far enough. I think the woman should have to name it right there and buy teeny tiny diapers to fit it, etc. That will keep them from wanting a abortion. Just don’t expect me to support the kid when it’s born. I mean, my business is making sure women have their babys. I don’t want nothing to do with paying for food and clothes and stuff like that for them.

Things is going the right way for us down here in the South. Now we need to work harder on laws about gays and being nekkid and other things that are against the Bible.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

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Normal! Hi ya! How ya been? I was thinking about you this morning — I wrote something about how puppy ears were the best and I thought “If Normal is around he’ll say something like, ‘yeah! they are best with ketchup!”

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“I will be more impressed with the GOP when they get cracking on things for the living…like more jobs.” – If only Obama and the Democrat controlled House/Senate would have been doing that the entire time….

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Greetings and salutations, Normal.

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BADA makes a valid point at 3:19. I dare say there’s a motive behind the “gun” question.

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Jay, nope!

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Thulsa

Gays consider an uncircumcised penis a status symbol? Do tell…I guess I’m just not getting our and about enough…

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“The gun control advocates are trying to get a law that REQUIRES docs ”

Got a link to that?

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Jay

May 26th, 2011
3:27 pm
Anybody experience time-shifting in last hour or so?

No, just shape shifting, sorry, couldn’t resist.

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Anybody experience time-shifting in last hour or so?

No, weirder than that. I read Bookman’s question about time-shifting and Kamchak’s greeting to Normal at the bottom of the 1st page. Then I clicked to go to the second page and the same two posts were at the top of it.

The AJC better work on getting their IT folks off of the mind drugs.

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Jay, here’s what your IT workers are doing now:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rW-OJ48AJBU/S6yQVM6Zi8I/AAAAAAAAN3M/iCJ2YXrMY-0/s1600/050628_BizFrenchLazy_vl_widec.jpg

Wake them up!!!

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Yes the shifting is occuring regularly. All day.

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“Gays consider an uncircumcised penis a status symbol?”

I wouldn’t know, but That is one other thing my parents did against my will…

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Normal

Put 5 rows of seeds in the ground yesterday and praying for rain.

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Thulsa Doom,

“Which makes one wonder why they would oppose even more govt intrusion? ”

Maybe they are too busy coveting un-cut phallus’s.

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Jay, I take that back, I think there is some jumping going on.

Normal — I didn’t see your post to me, sorry — sorry to hear about your mom and your vagina.

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Kamchak,

I think you are going to get the rain. Plus, I did a naked seed dance last night, so things are definitely in your favor.

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K’chak

Planning a trip to Innisfree?

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“Old Normal has been diagnosed with Angina”

I hope I never get diagnosed with an angina. I’d hate to lose my status symbol.

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I suspect when Texas women travel elsewhere for an abortion, Texas lawmakers will pass a law making that more difficult if not illegal.

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Bosch @ 3.42,

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jewcowboy,

hehehehehe. I wondered if anyone would see that.

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An employer can’t ask about ones sexual orientation, religious beliefs or political persuasion on a job application, because those are intrusive as well as irrelevant questions. Same is true for a pediatrician asking about gun ownership. While the state of Texas is requiring a woman to have sonar prior to an abortion procedure ensures that the woman fully understands that a life is being extinguished should she proceed with her abortion. That understanding certainly is a relevant consideration. Of course gun control and abortion are extremely important to the far-left, so they’ll attack any law that they feel is threatening to their love for abortion and hatred toward gun ownership. They have no problem with laws or government regulations that forces their ideology on those who believe differently. Typical left wing hypocrisy.

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Normal

A pace or so longer than 50 ft.

Two rows of green beans, three rows of crowder peas.

And six tomato plants put in the ground last week that I’ve been totin’ water in jugs to keep from drying slap up.

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While the state of Texas is requiring a woman to have sonar prior to an abortion procedure ensures that the woman fully understands that a life is being extinguished should she proceed with her abortion.

becuz wimmenz iz stoopit.

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Jay, busy news day for you. You’ll love this (me not so much)

Wisconsin union law voided

A Wisconsin judge voided a controversial Republican-backed law restricting the collective bargaining rights of public sector unions

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/26/us-unions-wisconsin-idUSTRE74P4PR20110526

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And Recon also makes a valid point.

An employer can’t ask about ones sexual orientation, religious beliefs or political persuasion on a job application, because those are intrusive as well as irrelevant questions. Same is true for a pediatrician asking about gun ownership.

Can’t be pickin’ and choosin’. Invasion of privacy is invasion of privacy regardless.

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BADA BING,

“Men can take Midol, but it just doesn’t know where to go!”

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“While the state of Texas is requiring a woman to have sonar prior to an abortion procedure ensures that the woman fully understands that a life is being extinguished should she proceed with her abortion.”

Yeah, cause they are way too stupid to know that to begin with.

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Oh, sorry there stands…didn’t hit the refresh button soon enough.

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“Invasion of privacy is invasion of privacy regardless.”

Invasion of privacy? My employer doesn’t look at my woo-hoo..does yours?

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Yeah, Peadawg, cause that’s exactly the same thing….

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cowboy….your woo-hoo? Are you talking about my weapon or my gun? One’s for killin’, one’s for fun!

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Oh, and Jay — this page — lots of jumping going on.

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Gotta go…have fun y’all

Oh! Josef,
Congratulations on finishing up another year with your kids. Well done, my friend, well done indeed.

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Well if taxpayers don’t pay for the sonograms, that makes it even worse. In order to have an abortion, authoritarian conservatives say that person must pay an ADDITIONAL amount of money for sonograms? That is nonsense.

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BADA BING,

“Are you talking about my weapon or my gun? ”

Can’t they both be for fun?

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“Yeah, Peadawg, cause that’s exactly the same thing…. ”

You look over the file and make sure you don’t need it anymore. “Are you sure you want to permanently delete this file? Yes or no”
You look at the sonogram and make sure you don’t want it anymore. “Are you sure you want to permanently kill the fetus? Yes or no”

Not the EXACT same, but pretty similar nonetheless.

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“And Peadawg, it makes sense for a doctor to counsel a woman if she is considering an abortion — it doesn’t make sense to require it by law, in my opinion, of course.” – I like the law. I see nothing wrong with making sure the woman is fully aware of the choice she is about to make. It is a pretty big decision, afterall.

“Your unfounded assertion about Democrats and the fat kid at 3:12.” – The “fat kid on a cupcake” comment was joke. It was from the Van Wilder movie back in 2002. “I want you all over that ball like a fat kid on a cupcake! “

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An indictment of Medicare. At the top of NYTimes most emailed.

Squandering Medicare’s Money

By RITA F. REDBERG
Published: May 25, 2011

San Francisco

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/26/opinion/26redberg.html

Jay 3:59 – recalls or not, they better get the bill passed. Its critical to the effective management of state and local gov’t.

Jay, if this is so abhorrent, when are you going to start screaming about the changes Reed wants to make to city pensions?

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Hey Doggone,if you are interested in reading about what I said to Peadawg in my 3:28 I can tell you where to see it but don’t know how to post a link on this blog.
Go to NRA.com , from there click on NRA/ILA Reports.Sorry,but that’s all the proof I can provide for what I said.

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Thulsa Doom,

“My fascination with gays? ”

No, your seeming fascination with un-cut wang dang doodles?

“Just don’t think its cool for them to force their views of male sexuality on couples who have babies in SF and want to circumcise their child. ”

Please post the link that shows where “the gays” are behind this.

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cowboy you ain’t right. I like it!

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The PC crowd is behind the circumcision ban in SF. They want to save the trees, but not the hardwoods?

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I had a brother-in-law who spent a couple days in a mental hospital. The hospital called and said we needed to come pick him up because he was being discharged. When I got to the hospital I was told that under current laws they couldn’t tell me where he was or if he was even a patient there. After 2.5 hours and talking with five different people, he was finally brought down to me.

The more government bureaucracy we put into medical care, the more costly and inefficient it becomes. Get the government out of healthcare and let it focus on what it was created to do.

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Good one BADA BING.

As for the topic, one would think that if a troubled/suicidal teenager has responsible parents then they would have already taken action if they had accessible weapons. Of course those knives up on the counter and their medicine cabinet full of xanax, vicodin, prozac, tylenol and whatever else would also be problematic. Then there is always those troublesome household chemicals.

The trouble is Jay, you can legislate dand restrict all you want but there will always be ways around what you are legislating and restricting. If for instance, YOU wanted gun control (that’s a stretch, isn’t it???) and you got it, then that wouldn’t stop the guns. It would only make them go underground. If people want things and they are willing to pay for them, they can get them especially now that we have an open border with Mexico.

You know as well as I that this whole piece has its origins in your own liberal anti-NRA/anti-gun ownership political belief system. It isn’t about the extremism of the NRA. It is your own hatred of anyone owning a gun in the USA. Guns aren’t going away anymore than drugs are going away because there will always be a market and supplier for them. And don’t look to the politicians for help. Corruption is the new way of doing business in America and the present administration is absolutely ate up with it. Chicago style baby!

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It truly would be nice if those pesky conservatives would keep there noses out of government affairs. I mean, aren’t they for small government and privacy. Unfortunately, the only way to keep the libs from going off the deep end is through government intervention. You dems haven’t seen a moral line you aren’t willing to jump over with both feet without looking. If unchecked, you’d soon be talking about the privacy of mercy killing decisions. Then you’d decide that quality of life over 90 can’t be good so it’s for Grandma’s own good that we put her out her misery. Nosey conservatives have no right to interject on what is a deeply private and personal consideration.

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Two recent randomized trials found that patients receiving two popular procedures for vertebral fractures, kyphoplasty and vertebroplasty, experienced no more relief than those receiving a sham procedure. Besides being ineffective, these procedures carry considerable risks. Nevertheless, Medicare pays for 100,000 of these procedures a year, at a cost of around $1 billion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/26/opinion/26redberg.html

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jewcowboy

Wonder if he’s been going to certain clubs on certain nights…?

BADA

You are just plumb bad!

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“The PC crowd is behind the circumcision ban in SF. They want to save the trees, but not the hardwoods?”

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“law doesn’t do that, though.”

If the cost accrues to the patient it most certainly DOES make it more difficult.

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Peadawg: All the law does is require the doctor to make sure the woman is fully aware of the decision she is about to make. Nothing wrong with that.

By making her pay EXTRA money to get a sonogram, and forcing her to wait 24 hours (possibly more, depending on availability of doctors who can legally perform the procedure). Not sure if it’s in the Texas bill, but other such bills include the doctor reading from a medically unsound script and making the woman go to an anti-abortion retraining program first.

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I have heard about doctors asking this question for years now, but I have been to several doctors and my kids have been to quite a few doctors over the years and I don’t recall ever being asked if a gun is in the house. I suppose if asked, my answer would be several.

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The time shifting is going on every time I post. I find myself disagreeing with some posters before they say anything.

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Jay 4:06 – I think its ridiculous that the Republicans beat up Democrats for the “death panel” thing, even though if one is being honest, that is kind of what it is (not exactly). But do the R’s deserve criticism for making a big deal out of something that is helpful to taxpayers, saves money, and shrinks government? Of course, yes….

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Doggone/GA

No, I haven’t tried mulch gardening. Thanks for the advice.

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Thank you, josef,

What a lovely poem.

I like beans, but not nine rows worth.

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jm: I think its ridiculous that the Republicans beat up Democrats for the “death panel” thing, even though if one is being honest, that is kind of what it is (not exactly).

That’s not what it is. Death Panels do exist, but not in the ACA. The Death Panels are called “Health Insurance Companies”

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Peadawg: Cry me a river. You want an abortion? Fine. But you need to know what you’re getting yourself into and the consequences. Again, nothing wrong with this. It’s no different than any other intense medical procedure.

You are assuming no woman knows what they are getting into. Forcing a sonogram is forcing a woman to pay money for useless information. They know what a fetus looks like. The intent is to try to flip some sort of moral switch on a woman that shouldn’t even be there in the first place. A fetus is not a person and does not live. Therefore, a sonogram is a useless medical procedure for anything other than determining the possible future sex if it manages to be born (and even then you still might not know).

So yes, there is PLENTY wrong with this.

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josef nix,

“Wonder if he’s been going to certain clubs on certain nights…?”

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Consistency-devoid Republics….unless you consider hypocrisy to be consistency

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Josef Nix,

The legislation for the circumcision is sponsored by a gay man in San Francisco- link below, it is widely hailed as having strong support from the gay community. If I remember correctly at least a couple of posters on the subject had written the same thing when Jay posted his article and if you google some articles on why the law was proposed you will probably see the same thing. To each his own but it seems to me that forcing your views on people goes a little too far. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/cityinsider/detail?entry_id=77266

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Peadawg, the abortion law does create an undue burden on some women. Abortions are not performed in every village and town. If a woman has to travel a fair distance, then either return the next day or stay over night, in addition to pay for an unnecessary sonogram, it will make the abortion more difficult. Now, you may say that is just fine and doubtless the legislators do too. I am fairly sure most women do not make “rash” decisions about terminating a pregnancy. Rash decisions may have led to the pregnancy in the first place, but that is another issue. This law is specifically aimed at making a completely legal, private medical procedure more difficult.

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“Bull, Peadawg. What other medical procedure requires a 24-hour waiting period and a script dictated by state legislators.”

Example: Knee replacement surgery (my dad just had it)
He had the initial appointment with the doc in December for x-rays and whatnot.
He didn’t have the actual procedure until March.

That’s a hell of a lot longer than 24 hours.

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For “Death Panel” (IPAB) deniers, here it is, created by Dems (thank god):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Payment_Advisory_Board

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jm: The proposals made by IPAB must not include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or increase Medicare beneficiary premiums, increase Medicare beneficiary cost sharing (deductibles, coinsurance, or co-payments), or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria.

Now you explain to me, exactly what part of IPAB makes it a death panel?

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THULSA

So, because “a” gay introduced it and somebody decided it had “strong support” (whatever that means) in the gay community leads to a “status symbol” conclusion…? You know how fallacious that line of thought is…

jewcowboy

I guess you and I can’t go to those bars on that night. Ready file a class action lawsuit?

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“What God given ability makes you think men don’t know what they’re getting into when they seek a vasectomy?”

Poor comparison. No one is trying to make THAT medical procedure harder to get. No one is making men view a sonogram of their willie and wait 24 hours before the procedure is done.

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“Peadawg, the abortion law does create an undue burden on some women. ” – Let me get out the world’s smallest violen and play a sad song.

“and what God given ability makes you think a woman DOESN’T KNOW what she’s “into” when she seeks an abortion?” – What God given ability makes you think men don’t know what they’re getting into when they seek a vasectomy? What God given ability makes you think people don’t know what they’re getting into when they seek ANY medical procedure for that matter? What the f*ck is wrong with requiring a doctor to counsel the patient if she wants an abortion? Give me a break, people.

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Thulsa Doom,

“The base of our argument is you’re spending incredible amounts of money doing painful and damaging surgery to an unwilling patient,” he said.

Yeah…that’s the same thing as making an un-cut wang a status symbol.

“To each his own but it seems to me that forcing your views on people goes a little too far”

Since we are talking about California, may I introduce you to Prop 8: http://www.whatisprop8.com/

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Adam

May 26th, 2011
4:14 pm

jm: Medicare has waste, so we need to get rid of the whole program.

me: Why don’t you just point out the flaws and call your congressman to get him/her to bring up legislation to close those flaws. Fix it, don’t get rid of it.

Adam,

The history of the cost of the Medicare program tells us the system doesn’t work efficiently and never has. For example

In 1965 Part A of Medicare was introduced. It was forecast that 25 years later it would cost us 9 billion in 1990. True cost in 1990- 67 billion dollars.

In 1967 Part B of Medicare was introduced and once again we were told that in a 25 year projection that in 1990 it would cost 12 billion dollars. Actual cost in 1990- 110 billion dollars.

In 1988 the Medicare Home Benefit was added and we were told it would cost 4 billion dollars. A mere 5 years later the actual cost was 10 billion dollars.

Given Medicare’s historical cost overruns that vastly exceeded original budgetary estimates and given the generally accepted fact that a minimum of 20% of every dollar on Medicare goes to waste, fraud, and abuse then please explain to me why you think this program works.

No hyperbole, no opinion, no putdowns, no talking points. Just give me some empirical evidence as to why Medicare works so successfully and efficiently in light of the facts I’ve just presented.

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jm: Health insurance companies decide who they will cover, and when, and for how much, based on nothing but money.

Determining whether or not a procedure is effective based on medical knowledge and advice? And making recommendations that are not auto-approved?

Yeah, sounds like a death panel to me alright (/sarcasm)

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Why did gun lobbyists make private conversations in a doctors’s office *their* business? Trampling the first amendment in the name of the second? How does anybody think this is a good idea?

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josef nix,

“I guess you and I can’t go to those bars on that night. Ready file a class action lawsuit?”

I have a turtleneck you can borrow.

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“What distinguishes abortion from other invasive procedures is that it involves the taking of life not preserving it.”

Anytime you removing living cells from their host and allow them to die, you are taking life, not preserving it. Get a kidney removed? You’re killing the living kidney cells.

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Adam 4:32 – the formula will account for how old you are. ie, older people will not get the same procedures that will be available to those that are younger = death panel

but don’t worry, it will never happen. government is too incompetent.

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“Please prove that through scientific documentation.”

Disprove it!

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Recon (2nd.and 3rd.),

“Disprove it!”

I’m not writing laws that require the gov’t to second guess doctors so there is no need for me to disprove anything.

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Recon @ 4:36: OH SNAP WHAT A GREAT COMEBACK

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jewcowboy

May 26th, 2011
4:31 pm

Thulsa Doom,

“The base of our argument is you’re spending incredible amounts of money doing painful and damaging surgery to an unwilling patient,” he said.

Yeah…that’s the same thing as making an un-cut wang a status symbol.- Jewcowboy

And if you believe that jewcowboy then please pick me up one of them tasty chocolate unicorns while you’re in liberal fantasy land.

“To each his own but it seems to me that forcing your views on people goes a little too far”

Since we are talking about California, may I introduce you to Prop 8: http://www.whatisprop8.com/- Jewcowboy

Gay marriage. Marriage for all of recorded human history has been between a man and a woman- that has always been the accepted standard of what a marriage is. So when a minority of people tries to force their new definition of marriage it is exactly what it is- someone trying to shove a new definition or view of marriage on others. It is what it is and gay marriage was defeated in a liberal state. Deal with it cowboy.

And while you’re dealing with it please look up the exit poll voting on the prop. 8 and you will see that it was minorities- particularly the African American voters- who tipped the scale in the voting and preserved the traditional definition of marriage. So your right wing neanderthal white male card just evaporated.

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“Not Intended to be a Factual Statement”

We can see that it’s not.

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Adam 4:38 – the formula is essentially: how many years of life expectancy are added relative to the cost of the procedure. Very expensive procedures will get eliminated. Procedures that don’t add to life expectancy, also eliminated.

Of course, the additional life expectancy from a procedure varies with age and will be part of the formula (see the value of the NYTimes procedure discussed at age 75 and age 85). And therefore, the formula for older people will make most procedures ineffective as they get older, and therefore not available.

Now, if all this happened, that would be all fine and well.

HOWEVER, due to private lobbying, government incompetence, Congressional lobbying and meddling, and general government inertia, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. It will almost certainly never happen.

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Doggone — “Anytime you removing living cells from their host and allow them to die, you are taking life, not preserving it. Get a kidney removed? You’re killing the living kidney cells.”

Huh. No more appendectomies or tonsillectomies any more. And I guess this is right out, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Management_of_cancer#Surgery

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“Let’s get this straight. Obamacare requires death panels.”

“Let’s get this straight: That’s a straight-out unadulterated lie.” – Today at 4:36

“In his recent speech on the deficit, President Obama proposed the alternative of relying on the Independent Payment Advisory Board, a panel of 15 experts created under ObamaCare to recommend ways to control Medicare costs.” – 10:23 am April 20, 2011, by Jay

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Thulsa Doom,

“then please pick me up one of them tasty chocolate unicorns while you’re in liberal fantasy land. ”

It was quote from your link…are you saying your link was bunk?

“Deal with it cowboy. ” ~ “To each his own but it seems to me that forcing your views on people goes a little too far”

My…you get testy when your hypocrisy is pointed out don’t you? Evidently, it’s ok for you to force your views on my life.

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Life is valuable only if ifs a fetus. If it is being snuffed out by a gun that’s OK. I just love Republicans

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Normal

May 26th, 2011
3:36 pm
Hi Kam,
All’s well with you I hope?

Peadawg,
you know better than that. The Democrats in the House can’t stop the filibuster, now can they?

I get so tired of the Dems using that as an excuse. What happened with the Obamacare vote, they didn’t have aproblem with that…….Oh, I forgot, they lied, cheated, gave favors for those votes, but they did it….

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Here’s a story about nosy gun questions:

An Arizona Department of Public Safety officer pulled over pick-up truck owner Mike Murray for a weapons check because of an NRA bumper sticker. Mr. Murray handed the officer his driver’s license, insurance card, vehicle registration and concealed carry permit.

The officer took all the documents, looked them over and said, “Mr. Murray, I see you have a CCP. Do you have any weapons with you?”

Mr. Murray replied, “Why yes I do. I have a .357 revolver in my right side hip holster, a .45 semi-automatic in the glove box and a two shot .44 magnum derringer tucked in my left boot.”

The officer looked at Mr. Murray and asked, “Anything else?”

“Yes, I have a fully loaded Mossberg 500 12 gauge shotgun and a fully loaded .223 AR-15 (30 round magazine) in the trunk”

The officer asked if Mr. Murry if he was driving to or from a shooting range and Mr. Murray said he was not. The officer then bent over and looked right into his face and said, “Mr. Murray, you have quite an arsenal here. May I ask what you are afraid of?”

Mr. Murray locked eyes with the officer and calmly answered, ” Not a f******g thing!”

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Playboy Sex Survey: America’s Getting Naughtier

– Only 4 percent of men and 2 percent of women have sex every day.
– 17 percent of men and 15 percent of women have answered the phone during sex.
– 88 percent of men and 51 percent of women usually or always reach climax during sex, while 22 percent of women rarely or never reach climax. Sixteen percent of men and 46 percent of women have faked an orgasm.

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Thulsa:

Gay marriage – marriage between two consenting adults, not affecting anyone else’s marriage

Marriage – marriage between two consenting adults, not affecting anyone else’s marriage

See, your argument doesn’t hold water. They are the same thing, and not forcing anyone else’s views on you at all. What two consenting adults agree to between themselves isn’t your business, and doesn’t affect you. No one is forcing YOU to get married to someone of the same sex. So again, your argument is useless.

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“I get so tired of the Dems using that as an excuse”

Their are NO filibusters in the House of Representatives

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Mighy Righty: No wonder so many women use abortion as a contraceptive.

Not Intended to be a Factual Statement

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rudolph bombed the clinic I used for a abortion.

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For what — to make YOU feel better?

Apparently so.

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well this is whack

http://news.discovery.com/human/hand-sanitizers-can-influence-alcohol-test-110526.html#mkcpgn=rssnws1

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Cowboy:

My employer doesn’t look at my woo-hoo..does yours?

My gynecologist, on the other hand, does more than look at it. Then we talk about getting together for dinner, taking a weekend excursion, mutual friends, all manner of things.

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SoCo, in case you check in…just saw one out front. Landscape truck drives up. Latino gets out of the driver’s side, black guy gets out of the passanger side and starts unloading equipment. Latino guy’s talking on the cell phone…

Yep, send them Messicans home and give them jobs to our own people…

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“why I sure some rashly decide to bear children.” – Yup, you heard of “16 and pregnant”?

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Alcohol Test: Just take the Derek Lowe approach, refuse the test and skate on the charges. Why take a chance?

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“what would happen to language if we changed words on a whim, or because it was popular?”

We could have “gay” and “queer” back?

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Doggone

Yep! When folks ask Unmentionable if he’s gay, he says, “I’m not even mildly amused.” When they ask me if I’m queer, I tell them, as queer as they come. I’m also a homosexual… but now, courtesy of your marvelous wordsmithery, I’ll say I’m also homophiliasexual!

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A tractor-trailer hauling 36,900 pounds of explosives has been involved in a four-vehicle crash on I-285 eastbound in DeKalb County.

I hate that road.

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My MD: Do you keep a handgun in your house?

FMJ: Yes Doc, it’s a 9mm semi-auto.

My MD: I am going to prescribe a .45 ACP semi-auto instead. Better penetration, more stopping power. It’s the one I use.

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BADA BING,

“what would happen to language if we changed words on a whim, or because it was popular?”

Word! Oh wait…does that mean a unit of language, consisting of one or more spoken sounds or their written representation, that functions as a principal carrier of meaning or does that mean I’m in agreement with your statement. So confusing…

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Mighty Right @ 5.00pm,

Seriously? Do you not understand the concept of links rather than cutting and pasting?

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My employer can’t delve into social issues.

This is going to be a shock to United Way and companies that offer charitible donations on social issues.

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Doggone

Well, like my pompous self likes to say, if after 35 years with the same person foresaking all others and raising three younguns ain’t “married” then tell me what is…

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Any teachers or scientists here? What if we changed the definition of words? Would that confuse your students? What if 100 ccs of medicine suddenly became 150 ccs? Any effect? Gay marriage is an oxymoron. Give it another name, I believe people will be more accepting.

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cowboy, what if I put a yugo emblem on your caddy?

There’s your sign.

Oi!

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The word definiton you find in Urban Dictionary is not the correct meaning. They are slang, cool, hip, in, happening ,etc. Do you want your Dr. to give you a precise explanation of your disease, or just tell you to chill out a little, mellow out, take a chill pill, go with it? Is that acceptable to you?

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BADA

Nope. When you make it a license for civil union obtained at the civil union license bureau and require it of one and all wanted state recognition, okay, but until that time. it ain’t equality…so PARSE THAT!

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Doggone
We might not even be having a discussion about what is or isn’t “marriage” if religion had stayed out of what is a purely legal relationship…..OH ABSOLUTELY…..

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BADA BING,

How about any of these? http://writinghood.com/style/grammar/eight-words-which-have-completely-changed-their-meaning-over-time/

Language evolves as do our societal norms. I’m assuming that women are no longer property for marriage purposes.

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Jay, answer to 4:52 in moderation. NPR

Medicare’s Math Problem: Taxes – Benefits = Trouble

http://www.npr.org/2011/04/30/135844222/medicares-math-problem-taxes-benefits-trouble

“An average couple retiring today has paid just a little over $100,000 in Medicare taxes” over the course of their working lives, Steuerle tells Guy Raz, host of weekends on All Things Considered.

And what do they receive?

“About $300,000 in benefits” — even after adjusting for inflation.

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Thulsa 5:00PM – yeah, I was off. But the math is still ridiculously abysmal.

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Jay, looking forward to your response after you’ve had a chance to read the NPR report.

The math means the program is so seriously broken that something has to drastically change. If IPAB doesn’t work (I don’t think it will), and RyanCare is a no go, then I think we’re left with lifetime caps, and ones that should probably change depending on age.

As Clinton said: “arithmetic still matters”.

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BADA BING,

“(Please respond with words that have different meanings than what you meant).”

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jewcowboy

May 26th, 2011
4:41 pm

Thulsa Doom,

“then please pick me up one of them tasty chocolate unicorns while you’re in liberal fantasy land. ”

It was quote from your link…are you saying your link was bunk?- jewcowboy

The link I provided had nothing to do with the point I was making. It was referring to a differnt point. Reading comprehension sir!

“Deal with it cowboy. ” ~ “To each his own but it seems to me that forcing your views on people goes a little too far”

My…you get testy when your hypocrisy is pointed out don’t you? Evidently, it’s ok for you to force your views on my life.

Nope. 6,000 years of an accepted social norm is not forcing my views on anyone. A minority gourp trying to force social acceptance via marriage of a deviant practice on everyone else is.

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jewcowboy
@ 5:23

Yeah! That’s it..

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Here’s a link to the original report showing the statement by Eugene Steuerle, a former Treasury guy. And surely Jay doesn’t think a NPO with Judy Woodruff and Warren Buffett on the board is biased.

$100,000 in, $300,000 out. With 10’s of millions of baby boomers, we’re screwed.

http://www.urban.org/publications/901397.html

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BADA BING,

“(These words mean what they mean, no sexual undertones what so ever).”

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Jay 5:33 – well at least you acknowledge there’s a huge math problem. I think. But do you realize the magnitude of change necessary when revenues are only 1/3 of expenses? Even with a combination that includes tax increases?

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Jay, a lttle more on my unadulterated liefrom the American Spectator.

Contemplating the 2012 election that can already be seen looming on the distant horizon, the President’s advisors were no doubt hoping that the “death panel” debate was… well… dead. But Obama himself inadvertently resurrected it when, in response to Republican budget proposals, he claimed that Medicare costs will be kept under control by the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB). Obamacare opponents have been screaming about this committee since it was first added to the “reform” bill. And, since that time, anyone with the temerity to call it by its proper name — death panel — has been vilified by the Democrats and the “news” media. Nonetheless, that’s precisely what IPAB will be. Its sole purpose is to cut funding for some health care services seniors now take for granted. And those cuts will kill people.

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Jay 5:33 – well, if you want to increase taxes only (which you didn’t say) to make it work, you’d have to approximately double all the personal tax rates.

Let’s say you only want to do 1/2 of it on tax increases, you’d have to increase the rates by 50%, so the rate of say 28% would have to become 42%. Then you’d have to cut benefits by 1/3, meaning you’d somehow have to cut those expenses, but if IPAB doesn’t work, you don’t seem to have an alternative answer.

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Jay 5:36 – yes. So there are 76 million boomers. Avg deficit: $200,000. Meaning there’s an unfunded liability of $7.6 Trillion (just for those boomers), and assuming the cost differential doesn’t get worse (it will).

See the problem?

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Jay, I know an Indian person that told me that both of his children whom have health problems are on Medicare. He also said that he has post-poned going through the immigration process because if he did, because of his income (which is pretty high) his children would no longer be covered. Now I don’t know if he is confusing Medicaid and Medicare or what but you stated that you must be a citizen to be eligible to receive the benefit. What is the real deal? And by the way, I really like this guy and his wife. They are both extremely hard working people. From his explanation, it seems that the system is being scammed by “illegals” that don’t want to be legal. And if this is true, then you know that the magnitude of this abuse is probably huge.

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pogo — ” He also said that he has post-poned going through the immigration process because if he did, because of his income (which is pretty high) his children would no longer be covered. Now I don’t know if he is confusing Medicaid and Medicare or what but you stated that you must be a citizen to be eligible to receive the benefit. What is the real deal?”

If he makes that much money, then I have to wonder how he/his kids could be on Medicaid in the first place.

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“But if Drug A does the same thing as Drug B, but at half the price, the panel will recommend using Drug A”

And they aren’t going to dictate that drug B be discontinued. The most likely outcome is that the medical healthcare system will pay up to the cost of drug B, but if you want to take drug A instead – you will have to cough up the diffence in cost.

Heck, THAT is happening to ME right now. My company healthcare plan will pay for drug A for my stomach problems and if I could take it, it would only cost me the co-pay. But I can’t take it, I have an adverse reaction to it. So I have to take drug B – for which I have to pay the ENTIRE COST per month. And we’re talking about the difference between $20 a month and $60.

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Jay, I know an Indian person that told me that both of his children whom have health problems are on Medicare. He also said that he has post-poned going through the immigration process because if he did, because of his income (which is pretty high) his children would no longer be covered.

If he makes that much money, then I have to wonder how he/his kids could be on Medicaid in the first place.

It’s not uncommon for people to enter the US on student/work visas and have children while they are here. The children qualify for programs as citizens even though the parents are not citizens. Not really complicated, but I don’t know how the calculations of income play into whether or not people get benefits.

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Jay 4:48 – not for the unfunded liability, do the math yourself. I divided the 76 million boomers in 1/2 before multiplying by $200k per couple.

The tax increase math was wrong, but not the unfunded liability. This is why the budget can’t be fixed….. liberals just do not want to acknowledge the huge size of the problem.

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$7.6 Trillion….. think about that. You could mint two cities with the population of the city of ATLANTA PLUS CHARLOTTE, POPULATED ENTIRELY WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE GIVEN $1 MILLION, for the cost of $7.6 Trillion.

Not a poor person among them, $7.6 million millionaires…..

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Out to eat. josef and cowboy….peace out. Word to ya mother.

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THULSA

So, a 6000 year long tradition makes it all right…gotcha. Still opposed to the 13th Amendment, ere ye? More of your fallacious logic…

BRUIN

“the $100K and $300K numbers are for a COUPLE. So you’ve exaggerated the problem by a factor of 2.”

What kind of couple is that, married or civil unionized?

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Doctors should ask questions, that is how they make a diagnosis.Asking about a gun in the house is fine, if he notices what appears to be a bullet hole in the patient. It has gone to far. The right to privacy is the most sacred of amendments, the whole bizare situation with continueious prying demeans the entire population.

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Joe

Not sure how it’s done, but I’ve come across Peachcare cards for USC children traveling with foreign parents. That stuff is out of my area of expertise.

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Certainly would appreciate it if a parent could speak to the question of how Peachcare/Medicaid for kids works.

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Brosephus….

They done took over! I was assuming he was the owner…might have just been hired help driving the boss’ truck…see, the fellow that was one of those people pro’ly had his license revoked…

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I see Infosys didn’t correct the problems here. Two 5:59 posts, but earlier when I posted 5 mins apart, the Blogster told me to slow down……

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josef nix,

I could actually care less about the whole gay issue and gay marriage thing. Nevertheless they voted on it in a liberal state like Cali and the voters want to keep marriage as it has been for 6,000 years- between a man and a woman. The voters have spoken. End of story. Move on.

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Yo, cons! Take a look around.

Joseph McCarthy is no longer a paragon of the GOP (nor on his witch hunts) and Gil McDougald is not the rookie of the year.

I get it!

You desperately want to go back in time and make abortions illegal and deadly to women again. Telling women what to do with their own bodies may float your boat, but that boat has been sunk.

Your dreams ain’t ever coming back. Got that? Never. Ever.

Try to legislate your morality on something that you at least have a shot at, OK?

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Jay 6:04

Medicare and Medicaid spending: $793 B
Gov’t Fraud: $80 Billion

Gov’t Loss = 10%

Private Health Care spending: $1,900 B
Private loss (assuming you’re correct) $170B

Private Loss rate: 8.9%

Assuming all the $170B is accurate…. dubious….

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Jay,

On the contrary Jay.

Using your own numbers provided above and using generally accepted numbers from a variety of sources medicare fraud, waste, fraud, and abuse is minimally 20%. Minimally Jay.

The numbers above state that in terms of overall spending on health care that the total is between 3 and 10% overall.

So factoring that Medicare alone has minimally 20% fraud but that the system in its entirety has as little as 3% to %10 overall fraud then its probably fair to guess that the amount of fraud that takes place in the private sector is anywhere from 3% to possibly 7% as a high.

Why? Because we have to factor in that the 20% attributable to Medicare alone skews the overall 3%-10% stats and means the private sector share of fraud would be substantially lower.

So the private sector amount of fraud like I said is probably 3 to 7 % max using your numbers of course. 7% as a high sounds a lot more efficient than 20% or more fraud. Right?

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Jay: Have you ever changed the mind of one of these closed minded Republican fanatics?

I know I’m open minded on most things (the French and Southern Baptists exempted) and have seen wisdom in some of the things you say as well as some folly. I’ve even seen wisdom in some of the things that people like Thulsa and jm post, but mostly, they just repeat rhetoric. I don’t think they ever even consider anything you right except as something the need to automatically refute on general purposes because you are an evil liberal.

How do you keep it up?

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Jay, the NY Times piece used the term Death Panels. But I see the preferred terms are End of Life Panels so I will use them in the future. Sort of like there are no terrorists, they are domestic or overseas contingencies. And there are no U.S. Troops in Afghanistan they are all NATO troops. And the recession is over because, well just because. So do the end of life panels have unlimited authority to determine approved treatment on a case by case basis? They are not elected, so to whom do they report? They cannot make life and death decisions but they can decide whether or not to approve treatment the denial of which would result in end of life. That decision will be based on cost. Comforting isn’t it.

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My goodmess, GLL.

Your complete disregard for the actual definitions of words is truly breathtaking.

I often joke about the Republican Dictionary of Made Up Definitions, but I’m beginning to suspect that there really is such a thing.

And you have one with Dick Cheney’s autograph!

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Jonix? What does a ‘gay marriage” accomplish that a legal binding agreement doesn’t?

My cousin had a “commitment ceremony” and I think they have the legal stuff taken care o. I’ve been meaning to ask the same question her but have forgotten. They are content with what they have. I ask only for information.

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“What does a ‘gay marriage” accomplish that a legal binding agreement doesn’t?”

Marriage is a contract. There are laws all over the place in regards to that contract. In order for a legal binding agreement to take it’s place, it would have to delinate EVERY and ALL of what those existing laws already cover. And even then, it could be subject to challenge.

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If you say so Doggone. My wife and I have complete, unlimited power of attorney for each other but do you think I can go ask her doctor what she went in for last week? Or get Chase to tell me how much is in her bank account? LOl Or even the cell phone company to tell me how much her bill is if I wanted to pay it?

I don’t THINK so…….

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GLL — “Whatever makes you feel all noble for wanting to ignore the slaughter of over a million people a year.”

What people would those be?

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FRED

I’ve no problem with what you call it so long as it’s the same document name and same registration for all concerned…otherwise it’s not “equal.” You say “the legal stuff taken care of…” Yeah, so do we and it cost an arm and a leg in lawyer’s fees, etc. All of which breeders can avoid by signing a single piece of paper…

USMC
If you’re here…that was a blow, wasn’t it…we’ve got limbs down up here, how ’bout y’all?

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“somehow they always never mention the person that loses their life. ”

That’s because a person DOESN’T lose their life.

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A rather massive pine tree across the street just fell across my neighbors yard. I think there’s no real damage but gonna check on them. A real gully washer here.

Hopefully back in a jiffy…

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“But it’s still not good enough”

Nope, it isn’t. Because it still “seperate but equal” and we already know that doesn’t work over the long run. And if it’s EXACTLY the same as marriage, then call it was it is: MARRIAGE

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“As long as I can remember, women have talked about the baby inside their body”

That is a biological neccessity to enable the woman to nuture herself and the child she expects to have. But it doesn’t change the biological FACT that the developing embryo and foetus is not a SEPARATE being until it takes it’s first breath outside the womb.

And with all the best will in the world, there is STILL a point where we cannot remove the foetus from the woman’s body and assist it artifically to develop normally. Until it reaches the developmental stage where we CAN do that it is totally and completely dependent on the woman’s body and is nothing more than a symbiote of her body.

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Doggone

Nyanh, let’s call it civil union for both…I’m spiteful that way!

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Joe Mama

You really don’t know who those people would be? Maybe that’s the problem.

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Maybe it’s just me. but “…going to the chapel, and we’re going to get civil unioned” or “…Sadie, Sadie, civil unioned lady..” just, well, loses something in the translation…

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Well, the neighbors aren’t home but there’s no damage to their house.

But part of the tree is laying across the street. I’m sure DeKalb County is swamped with other things, but they’ll get here.

They rock and have always been very responsive and efficient. (Blows that image for some of you, huh?)

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AmVet

Whatever it takes, big hero. My standards for what I believe are a bit higher than what you are apparently able to digest.

And the people on this blog that think I am illiterate are not exactly the kind of people that would earn my respect. Sort of like AmVet.

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Did all this start happening because I went away for a few days lol?

Yeppers.

It’s all your fault, Fred.

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LLB

I’m not out for compromise. I’m out for equality. And, uh, that California law was overturned…they wouldn’t have been able to do that if both sets of folks had the same “legal ramifications…”

FRED

“…first we kill all the lawyers!”

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Words have meanings, josef???

I think that has become an outdated concept!

It’s all very fluid and non-empirical, you see.

Don’t know or like what a word’s definition truly is?

No problem! Just disregard it.

Voila!! It part and parcel of the “new school” of debate…

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LLB

Listen carefully…if it’s equality, how could it and not heterosexual unions be overturned? Explain that, please.

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IMAM

Mine and GLL’s 7:00 and 7:01…time warp again…

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AmVet

Like the term: unborn child? Oops. There I go making up my own definitions again. No one has ever used that before.

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Doggone/GA

Separate but equal is not working out? You better talk to the Democrats that are running most of Atlanta.

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Jay’s Brain and Ford owner

Surely you are not expecting the libs on this board to comment on yet another lie told by the clown in the White House. Once they respond to one, they would need to respond to the other thousands.

Democrats have much, much lower standards for their leaders than we do.

All a Democrats has to be is not a Republican.

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“but if someone murders a pregnant women, they are charged with TWO counts of murder. one for the woman and one for the fetus. How does that work? ”

It’s a concession to the emotions of the woman. It is presumed that she wants to carry that pregnancy to term and raise and love the resulting child. What it REALLY is, is that she has been deprived of something she values – but it’s not empathetic to call her foetus merely “something of value”, so we “value” it at HER attachment to it as her potential child.

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Our numbers tell us an awful lot of people read this blog every day but never post here. They may be more open-minded about things than the folks who respond in knee-jerk fashion.

Or they must shake their heads ’cause they think we’re a bunch of idiots.

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Doggone/GA

Potential child. LOL!!

Is that what does it for you? Is that what makes it OK to kill it?

The lengths you guys are willing to go is just plain creepy.

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Fred

I downgraded myself, so as not to sound uppity. I still have the same hair-brained notions, though, regardless of my name.

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“but if is not a life, then it cannot be murder”

but it IS a life. What it is NOT is a person. But as I said, the legalities are a concession to the woman. Legally the killer ought to be charged with whatever the equivilent would be of “destroying valuable property” – but, again, that’s not a very empathetic way of phrasing it.

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Well, I’m real sorry to see a blog about abortion and guns go downhill into gay marriage and the clipping of a boy’s Private Parts. Can’t we all just get along and pretend these things don’t exist, the way we act when a crazy aunt is kept in the attic and everybody pretends she don’t exist? I mean, there’s some things it’s kinda painful to talk about. In the good old days the gays never let on they were gay, much less talk about setting up housekeeping. And nobody talked about being clipped or not. I say let’s go back to the old days. It’s what being Conservative is all about.

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GLL, your standards are just too high for me! But I’ll play along for a tad more…

“Unborn child”.

Now you’re getting somewhere! Kudos!!

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Unborn+Child

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Unborn+Child

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“Is that what does it for you?”

Nope, that is what is biologically. A foetus does not become a “child”, does not become a “person” until it takes it’s first breath of air, because at that point – whether it eventually lives or dies – it is irrevocably separeted from the woman.

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“Why is empathy needed Doggone? The mother is DEAD. We don’t need to worry about her feelings anymore………. and how do they know she wasn’t going out the next day to have an abortion?”

I *did* say it was an assumption. And it doesn’t matter if she is dead, the assumption is that she valued her pregnancy, and that – by projection – so did her spouse/partner and her family.

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Or they must shake their heads ’cause they think we’re a bunch of idiots.

I’d vote yay on that line…..

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AmVet

Your communication skills are as usual: lacking, but I presume that you are trying to make the point that the term fetus applies to several species and that makes it OK to kill an unborn child.

Is that what you are trying to illustrate?

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Hillbilly D,

Yep, no longer uppity!

Has more of that Snoop Dog feel to it now!

Fo shizzle ma nizzle!

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Hillbilly “D”: Well I don’t like is son. I saw your answer the other day when someone axed you about it and I think your handle is right up there with Brocephus.

You’ll always be Deluxe to me.

(Who the hell is Brocephus anyways? That change happened while I was absent apparently)

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” that makes it OK to kill an unborn child”

but it isn’t Ok to kill an unborn child. A foetus that is developmentally capable of surviving outside the womb is an unborn child. Terminating that pregnancy is not an abortion, it is an induced delivery and killing the baby after it is born is murder.

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Just damn. I can’t handle the randomly inserted posts anymore. I’m just too stupid. Do I scroll the WHOLE page? Go back one page or two to see that I haven’t missed an answer to a question……….

I dunno. Makes my head spin…….

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Democrats have much, much lower standards for their leaders than we do.

The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.

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“GLL, should a woman who seeks an abortion be charged with murder?”

Well of course not because it’s not against the law but a responsible jurisdiction will ensure that all parties are made fully aware of the procedure specifics and it’s final result. It appears that Texas understands that obligation to society.

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And here I thought I was being censored with all my studies. I’ll just cut it in half and eliminate some of the studies and try reposting.

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“we are killing right at a million fellow humans a year”

No, we are not. It not “us” who made a human foetus dependent on the woman, it was God (or Mother Nature, if you prefer) After all, there ARE other ways it could have been handled. Platypus, for example, are mammals, just as are humans, but THEIR young are not at all dependent on the females body. They are “born” and develop in eggs, external to her body.

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Up here in the Hills, you can go to the local courthouse and see where women bought and sold land in their own name, in the 1830’s and 1840’s. Didn’t happen a lot but it did happen. I’m not sure what time frame that would have begun.

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AmVet

If you ever think that you have gained the intelligence to have a logical debate with me and can advance past your adolescent attempts at insults, let me know. Until then, know that I view you as a unintelligent clown and nothing more.

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My goal, if I were king, would be to reinsert a respect for all human life into our society and with that respect, a goal of drastically reducing the number of abortions performed in this country, but when I see so many here, changing definitions in order to get rid of that guilt and of course get rid of that respect for human life, I see that my goal is already lost.

GLL, how about we take up a collection and fund your move to another country that has no respect for women’s rights and has laws to enforce your religious beliefs?

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Jay,

Lost my connection for awhile in the storm. Okedoke.

There is a study below that shows 20% that I’ve cited as well as others. Numerous studies detailing vast amounts of fraud, waste, and abuse. Study below details over 70 billion in improper payments made by Medicare. Medicaid. That’s just improper payments. It doesn’t even include other outright fraud, and abuse. And 70 billion for improper payments alone in a 400 billion dollar system equates automatically to 17% alone without going into other elements of waste, fraud, and abuse.

For fun you should also google 60 minutes and Steve Kroft on all the bogus stores set up in South Florida ripping off Medicare by billing for wheelchairs and other items that never existed. I don’t remember that kind of wholesale rip off of private health care companies. Can you point out massive fraud like that perpetuated on private health plans like what all these scam companies in south florida were doing to Medicare? No because it doesn’t happen.

On a personal note I have a good friend who is the systems analist as I like to call him for the company that administers the software for bc/bs of Alabama. He’s an expert and had told me that this kind of fraud that takes place in s. florida can’t happen to private plans due to their software triggers and algorythms of which he said Medicare does not have these same triggers for fraud detection.

Conclusion

The federal government estimates that improper payments under Medicare and Medicaid totaled $70.4 billion in 2010. Approximately $34.3 billion in payments come from traditional Medicare (10.5% improper payment rate); another $22.5 billion in payments come from Medicaid (9.4% improper payment rate); and $13.6 billion (14.1% improper payment rate) from Medicare Advantage.[7] http://www.medicareadvocacy.org/2011/05/combating-fraud-waste-and-abuse-in-health-care/

Medicare Fraud Rampant, Keynoter Says

HDM Breaking News, March 4, 2010

Up to 20 percent of Medicare expenditures are going to fraudulent claims, the keynote presenter on the final day of HIMSS 2010 said.

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Independent fraud investigator Harry Markopolos said the government is doing a poor job of monitoring the money it spends on healthcare. Interviewed by CNN medical correspondent Sanjay Gupta, M.D., Markopolos noted that the fraudulent practices run the gamut from billing on behalf of dead patients or dead physicians to upcoding claims, and asking for more than is deserved. “Medicare fraud is pervasive,” Markopolos said. “Wall Street is second fiddle to the health care industry.” http://www.healthdatamanagement.com/news/medicare_fraud_claims_ehr-39907-1.html

This is another 20% article from that bastion of liberal news NPR.

In 1997, Congress responded with more than $100 million to combat health-care fraud — money that pays for 400 FBI agents, including those on the South Florida strike force.

But Medicare still winds up spending just 3/100 of 1 percent to ensure the integrity of the program.

“Why is this operation not 50 or 100 times the size,” Sparrow asks. “Why wouldn’t we spend 1 percent of the Medicare budget on program integrity? Then we might get serious about controlling a problem that might be 15 percent or 20 percent of the budget.”

If fraud and abuse account for 20 percent of the current Medicare budget, that would amount to more than $70 billion. I had to leave out this link.

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josef nix

I’d like to think that we have moved past that, don’t you? If you would, read my post to JAy and let me know what you think. Try to have an open mind.

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“My goal, if I were king, would be to reinsert a respect for all human life into our society and with that respect, a goal of drastically reducing the number of abortions performed in this country, but when I see so many here, changing definitions in order to get rid of that guilt and of course get rid of that respect for human life, I see that my goal is already lost.”

Yes GLL, unfortunately it IS lost. As is your goal for this to be a Christian Nation or “one Nation Under God.”

Jesus said, “Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar.” He never said he was here to create a Nation. He wasn’t and he isn’t. You will NEVER convince people the “morality’ of your position on abortion anymore than they will convince you.

Before you go blasting me, I hope you will scroll up (if needed) and read my posts. I have NOT said what I think about abortion. And I won’t. My views won’t change a mind or a soul. Our citizens have spoken and it is what it is, nothing you say or do will change that.

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Gll: My goal, if I were king, would be to reinsert a respect for all human life into our society and with that respect, a goal of drastically reducing the number of abortions performed in this country, but when I see so many here, changing definitions in order to get rid of that guilt and of course get rid of that respect for human life, I see that my goal is already lost.

One question for you, suppose you issue that edict and the number of abortions are drastically reduced… Who’s going to help take care of those children? With high unemployment/underemployment, there are many who can not afford to take care of children. We wouldn’t be able to use adoption as a viable means, because if that were the case, we wouldn’t have thousands of children in foster homes. They would all be with their adoptive families now.

I’m not trying to come down on your idea, as personally, I’m not a fan of abortions. However, I don’t think I have the right to tell some woman in Wyoming what she can or can not do with her body. I don’t think the government has a right to interject itself into someone’s personal life choices either, unless it’s a matter of life or death and nobody else can make that decision for the person.

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throw a 6-pack of Colt 45 in there somewhere.

Brocephus, you may be too young but back in the day, some folks used to call that “Bull Beer”.

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LOL Brocephus. I THOUGHT that was you (SoCo). I saw where you said someone suggested it (you were posting as Brocephus). I should’a gone with my gut lol.

Yet, it fit’s. Just as Hillbilly Deluxe does.

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josef nix

May 26th, 2011
Thulsa
Nowhere near the end of the story. You’re the one who brought it up. And like I said, let’s keep that 6000 year old tradition of slavery,

Josef Nix,

Come on Josef. Comparing gay marriage with slavery? Not sure how many black people would agree with you on that. Especially if in exit polls in the prop 8 vote in Cali they voted decidedly against gay marriage by a margin of 60 or 70% depending on which exit poll you look at.

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Fred sorry for the delay in acknowledging your reply about DeKalb County. (I was busy trying to hold my own with Clarence Darrow, aka Mr. High Standards!)

Glad to hear your experience with them has been good as well.

It is perplexing however.

Considering that the government never does anything right…

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HD

I thought Schlitz was “The Bull”?

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Brosephus

You underestimate the wisdom of my crown. It’s not about having less abortions, its about making people more aware of the importance of not becoming pregnant if they do not wish to have the baby.

Morality used to do that, but in a secular society, other methods such as education and a respect for human life being taught in our schools would.

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See, GLL? I KNEW you would take that as a chastisement. It wasn’t. I never gave a fat rats ass about the “cool kids in class” 35 years ago when I WAS in class and couldn’t care less about them now.

You haven’t re-invented the wheel. And as I said before, I won’t get into a stupid urination contest over abortion, nor will I express my convictions on it. It’s a done deal. Nothing you say or do on this blog will change it.

As to intelligent debate? I have YET to see an intelligent debate about abortion. It’s not possible.

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“It’s not about having less abortions, its about making people more aware of the importance of not becoming pregnant if they do not wish to have the baby”

and what will you do about rape & incest victimes? About women whose own health depends on NOT carrying a pregnancy to term? What about women whose birth control fails?

What about THEM? If you would not force them to carry their pregnancies – EVERY ONE OF THEM – then, like it or not, you DO support a woman’s right to choose. You just reserve the “right” to condemn those whose reason doesn’t jell with YOUR opinion.

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Doggone/GA

May 26th, 2011
7:36 pm
“we are killing right at a million fellow humans a year”

No, we are not. It not “us” who made a human foetus dependent on the woman, it was God (or Mother Nature, if you prefer) After all, there ARE other ways it could have been handled. Platypus, for example, are mammals, just as are humans, but THEIR young are not at all dependent on the females body. They are “born” and develop in eggs, external to her body.

Somebody will tell me if I am wrong. I am certainly not an expert on abortions, but it seems to me the purpose of an abortion is to rid ones self of the baby. If that is true, the method of birth makes no difference except throwing eggs over a cliff would be cheaper and easier. I believe God did it right. I can’t see myself looking forward to polinization.

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It’s not about having less abortions, its about making people more aware of the importance of not becoming pregnant if they do not wish to have the baby.

How would that be accomplished when there’s a major uproar from the “moral” part of our society whenever sex-ed is talked about being taught in school? Should we expect ALL parents to teach that, or will it be mandated for parents to do so? I won’t argue that education in the “causes” of baby creation would possibly be a great way to lower the number of abortions. The $64,000 question would be how to implement that education.

For me, I came from two large families. Both sides of my family could fill a small stadium at a family reunion. I knew quite early how babies came about, and I made sure that I didn’t have any lil’ brohams running around. Out of 32 kids in my generation on my mom’s side, I was #29 in having their first child, at the age of 35. I won’t depend on the school system to teach my child everything, as much of what she’ll learn about life will come from within the 4 walls of my home. I just don’t think all parents share that same mindset.

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Amvet: Gov’t does very little right, but they screw up sometimes and get the job done.

GLL: I agree with you about the devaluation of human life in our society. It’s appalling.

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Well Jonix, when you and Unmentionable finally tie the knot, send us an invite.

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Doggone/GA

In my kingdom, the goal would be fewer abortions. The instances you listed make up a very small part of the abortions performed.

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“I’m not following your argument. Are you saying that Gay men want to be owned by another man and civil unions don’t do that?”

LOl ok now, THAT was funny. I don’t care who you are.

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“I find it interesting that so many people think I would want to force women to do anything”

Try investigating your own assumptions:
if you would not force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term, you DO support a woman’s right to choose

if you would “teach” us to respect what YOU term a “human” life, what will you do about those who reject your teaching? Refer back to my question about forcing a woman to carry her pregnancy for the answer.

If you would outlaw abortions, then – like it or not – you STILL support a woman’s right to choose, but you reserve to yourself the judging of that action and the determination that the woman (and the doctor?) deserve to be punished for making a decision of which you disapprove.

I hate to break it to you, but there has NEVER been a time when there were no abortions EVER. Abortion has existed as long as pregnancy has existed.

Here’s my challenge to you: when you can PROVE to me that no spontaneous abortions EVER occur…I’ll join you on your abortion barricade.

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I’ve been really patient…but I am finally getting FRIGGING TIRED of typing a long response and then losing it because of a connection error and poof it’s GONE. It’s finally getting to be a pain in the ASS.

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“but it seems to me the purpose of an abortion is to rid ones self of the baby”

Nope. It’s to rid the woman’s body of a foetus. That’s why spontaneous abortions also exist: to rid the body of a pregnancy. I will not support the outlawing of human induced abortions as long as natural, spontaneous abortions exist and occur.

You let me know when THEY stop, and I’ll join your campaign against human induced abortions.

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I feel your pain Doggone. I’m about tired of the way the blogs acting myself. They obviously changed SOMETHING and it SUCKS.

Is Paul Cox STILL in charge of the blogs?

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FRED, GLL

There’s that out of sequence posting again! Got the review before the performance!

Aw, GLL, why would I be owned by him and him not by me? Are you still stuck on that who plays what role thingie…

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Jonix: Ok then. Let’s do lunch instead lol.

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Brochepus @ 7:54

You’re right. Must be going daft in my ol’ age.

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“In my kingdom, the goal would be fewer abortions”

then your kingdom already exists and you can lean back and enjoy your leisure time.

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And as far as the guns are concerned……..I don’t ever recall my doctor asking if I had a pool……..

Just add guns to the list of safety precautions…….guns are not the only method of offing oneself if one is suicidal……….does the doc ask how many bridges there are in the local town???

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FRED

Unmentionable “nixed”the idea of a Jewish wedding when the matter of the Ketubah came up! The chuppah and the chairs was fine, but…who smashes the glass? Maybe GLL could tell us…or Thulsa, who’s our expert on which traditions we should keep and which ones we should not…(just kidding, you two!)

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DAVE

Pay my dues to the welfare state or to the insurance companies? You know where my leftist heart is on that one!

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IMAM

Mine and Dave’s posts…there ya are…

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