‘Freedom-loving’ NRA dictates what doctors can say to patients
We’ve heard a lot of rhetoric the last couple of years about the importance of keeping government out of the sacred, private relationship between doctors and their patients.
It was all a bunch of bull-oney.
For instance, the Florida Legislature has now passed a bill that makes it illegal for doctors to ask patients whether they have guns in their home and whether those guns are stored correctly to keep them out of the hands of children. It’s a question that many pediatricians ask as part of their standard spiel, along with ensuring that poisons and medicines are kept out of children’s reach and that swimming pools are monitored.
As Dr. Paul Robinson, a specialist in adolescent medicine, testified in vain to a Florida Senate committee:
“What if I have an adolescent who’s been bullied, who’s not suicidal? I don’t think, under the current bill, I’m entitled to ask him if there’s a gun in the home, or if he’s carried a gun to school, or if he’s thinking of harming someone else with a gun.”
Asking such questions would be against the law.
If you happen to believe that a doctor should not ask such questions, fine. You have the right to tell the physician that it’s none of his or her business. You have the right to change doctors. But you cannot logically argue that it is government’s place to dictate what can and cannot be said between patient and doctor. The fact that such gross intrusions into rights of privacy and free speech come from the allegedly small-government, pro-liberty right isn’t at all surprising.
And then there’s Texas. This week, Gov. Rick Perry signed a bill into law that requires women seeking an abortion to first undergo a sonogram. The attending physician is required by law to “describe the fetus, noting the size and condition of limbs and organs.” In addition, the patient must then wait 24 hours after the sonogram is performed before undergoing the abortion. As one person noted, the bill does everything but require the woman to give the fetus a name and schedule its funeral.
“Indeed, this bill is designed to shame women, as if we are daft creatures unable to make personal, private medical decisions without the paternalistic oversight of legislators,” the head of a Texas pro-choice group noted.
Again, these are allegedly small-government conservatives, conservatives dedicated to keeping government out of our private affairs, especially in relationships such as those between a doctor and patient, dictating what must be said and what must not be said in the privacy of a doctor’s office.
– Jay Bookman
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Jay
May 26th, 2011
4:36 pm
Let’s get this straight. Obamacare requires death panels.
Let’s get this straight: That’s a straight-out unadulterated lie.
jm
May 26th, 2011
4:36 pm
Adam 4:32 – the formula will account for how old you are. ie, older people will not get the same procedures that will be available to those that are younger = death panel
but don’t worry, it will never happen. government is too incompetent.
Some people are stupid
May 26th, 2011
4:36 pm
Peadawg-
Your knee example was flawed. In that case the x ray was to identify the issue.
IN the terms of a pregnancy, she already knows she’s pregnant.
We get it, you are against abortion, but unless you can carry a child, why is it any of your business what a women does with hers.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 26th, 2011
4:36 pm
“Please prove that through scientific documentation.”
Disprove it!
Adam
May 26th, 2011
4:38 pm
Jay @ 4:36 thank you
jm: I think you are placing a prediction in place of an actual “formula” and assuming too much. I do not believe that is the intent or the actual future implementation.
jewcowboy
May 26th, 2011
4:39 pm
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.),
“Disprove it!”
I’m not writing laws that require the gov’t to second guess doctors so there is no need for me to disprove anything.
Kamchak
May 26th, 2011
4:39 pm
You would think requiring a woman to think it over for 24 hours, talk with her family, boyfriend, etc. to be 100% positive that it isn’t a rash decision fueled by emotions, to be 100% positive she understands the possible consequences of having an abortion, would be a good thing.
You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that those very things haven’t already taken place.
Adam
May 26th, 2011
4:39 pm
Recon @ 4:36: OH SNAP WHAT A GREAT COMEBACK
josef nix
May 26th, 2011
4:39 pm
jewcowboy
MOT to MOT…under Orthodox law, the body can’t be altered, right? No tattoos, burial of the amputated limb and all that…but snip-snip of the po, helpless little one with just a drop or so of vino to dull the pain is okay, and what do you do with it…
“The foreskin is an object that has been part of a mitzvah, and similar to an unusable Torah scroll or tefillin, it requires burial. A garbage disposal is not dignified and considered a disgraceful place to throw away an object of G-d’s imperative.”
Is there a special spot for this in the Jewish cemetery? How is it marked? Do you place stones on the monument? How is the size of that monument determined…
The rabbis need to get on this…
Thulsa Doom
May 26th, 2011
4:39 pm
jewcowboy
May 26th, 2011
4:31 pm
Thulsa Doom,
“The base of our argument is you’re spending incredible amounts of money doing painful and damaging surgery to an unwilling patient,” he said.
Yeah…that’s the same thing as making an un-cut wang a status symbol.- Jewcowboy
And if you believe that jewcowboy then please pick me up one of them tasty chocolate unicorns while you’re in liberal fantasy land.
“To each his own but it seems to me that forcing your views on people goes a little too far”
Since we are talking about California, may I introduce you to Prop 8: http://www.whatisprop8.com/- Jewcowboy
Gay marriage. Marriage for all of recorded human history has been between a man and a woman- that has always been the accepted standard of what a marriage is. So when a minority of people tries to force their new definition of marriage it is exactly what it is- someone trying to shove a new definition or view of marriage on others. It is what it is and gay marriage was defeated in a liberal state. Deal with it cowboy.
And while you’re dealing with it please look up the exit poll voting on the prop. 8 and you will see that it was minorities- particularly the African American voters- who tipped the scale in the voting and preserved the traditional definition of marriage. So your right wing neanderthal white male card just evaporated.
godless heathen
May 26th, 2011
4:39 pm
My Dad told me about a new interview procedure that he had to undergo for Medicare. They asked him if he had any loose stair rails in his house. If he was ever lonely or depressed. If he wore his seat belt. Lot’s of questions with the answers dutifully logged in a government database. They did not ask if he had any guns. You can thank the NRA for that.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 26th, 2011
4:39 pm
“Not Intended to be a Factual Statement”
We can see that it’s not.
Mighy Righty
May 26th, 2011
4:39 pm
Every surgery I have had required more than 24 hours. First the appointmnet to determine the problem. Then appointment with the surgeon. Then appointment with hospital to arrange for stay and for payment. Then release from regular doctor. Then final consultation. Then surgery. No wonder so many women use abortion as a contraceptive.
jm
May 26th, 2011
4:40 pm
Adam 4:38 – the formula is essentially: how many years of life expectancy are added relative to the cost of the procedure. Very expensive procedures will get eliminated. Procedures that don’t add to life expectancy, also eliminated.
Of course, the additional life expectancy from a procedure varies with age and will be part of the formula (see the value of the NYTimes procedure discussed at age 75 and age 85). And therefore, the formula for older people will make most procedures ineffective as they get older, and therefore not available.
Now, if all this happened, that would be all fine and well.
HOWEVER, due to private lobbying, government incompetence, Congressional lobbying and meddling, and general government inertia, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. It will almost certainly never happen.
andygrdzki
May 26th, 2011
4:40 pm
Nothing is perfect JAY, but point out the good if you are going to point out the bad…
Balanced Budget With No New Taxes
The Florida Legislature concludes the 2011 session with a new budget that does not increase the burden on taxpayers.
Education Reform
The Florida Legislature passes major education reform allowing quality teachers to be rewarded for their work in the classroom.
Medicaid Reform Passed
The 2011 Florida Senate made significant reforms to Medicaid, led by Senator Joe Negron, that provides better quality of care, improved access and controls on prices.
Smart Cap Headed for Voter Approval
The proposed constitutional amendment caps the growth of state government budget to ensure Floridians have the ability to pay for it.
Government Pension Reform
The Florida Legislature approved major pension reform that requires government workers to contribute to their retirement, bringing it more in line with the private sector.
Just saying
Joe Mama
May 26th, 2011
4:40 pm
Doggone — “Anytime you removing living cells from their host and allow them to die, you are taking life, not preserving it. Get a kidney removed? You’re killing the living kidney cells.”
Huh. No more appendectomies or tonsillectomies any more. And I guess this is right out, too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Management_of_cancer#Surgery
Adam
May 26th, 2011
4:41 pm
If you guys are going to be so positive on legislating “rash decisions” maybe you should make people wait 2 years before they can get married, after they have decided to get married and gone through all the legal motions, etc.
OR, you could just agree to go back to being small government and stay the hell out of everyone’s business.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2011
4:41 pm
“Let’s get this straight. Obamacare requires death panels.”
“Let’s get this straight: That’s a straight-out unadulterated lie.” – Today at 4:36
“In his recent speech on the deficit, President Obama proposed the alternative of relying on the Independent Payment Advisory Board, a panel of 15 experts created under ObamaCare to recommend ways to control Medicare costs.” – 10:23 am April 20, 2011, by Jay
jewcowboy
May 26th, 2011
4:41 pm
Mighy Righty,
“Every surgery I have had required more than 24 hours.”
So for every procedure, your doctor sent you home with a sonogram of what was being operated on for 24 hours to think about it?
jewcowboy
May 26th, 2011
4:41 pm
Thulsa Doom,
“then please pick me up one of them tasty chocolate unicorns while you’re in liberal fantasy land. ”
It was quote from your link…are you saying your link was bunk?
“Deal with it cowboy. ” ~ “To each his own but it seems to me that forcing your views on people goes a little too far”
My…you get testy when your hypocrisy is pointed out don’t you? Evidently, it’s ok for you to force your views on my life.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2011
4:42 pm
That quote from Jay was from his lovely column , “Why ‘death panels’ are a necessary evil” btw.
King of All
May 26th, 2011
4:43 pm
Life is valuable only if ifs a fetus. If it is being snuffed out by a gun that’s OK. I just love Republicans
pogo
May 26th, 2011
4:43 pm
jim at 4:16, don’t be so sure. Someone has already calculated your societal worth based upon your age, your revenue generating viability for the government and what expenditure society should have to make to keep you alive. If you are in your early to mid fifties, which will mean you will come of age when the whole system will be broke in 10 years, you will be the first to denied benefits. All that Obama, the democrats (and Ryan, for that matter) are proposing is kicking the can down the road for another 10 years until the real baby boomer generation impact is felt. Obama and his comrades in congress will be long gone. At least Ryan is trying to propose something, even it is flawed by the delay in implementation. The probem needs to be addressed now, not in 10 years. If things don’t change quickly, in 10 years, the whole system will be nothing more than one big triage and care rationing center overseen by government bereaucrats. And we all know how good they are at overseeing anything without running a deficit. Obama lives on hopes and dreams with no foundation in reality and Ryan’s proposal is doing nothing but kicking the inevitable down the road 10 years. One hell of a lot of people, whether it be now or in 10 years, are going to suffer. If we addressed the problem now and made everyone give a little, then it could possibly save the program and everyone would have something to count on in the future. But no, todays seniors aren’t willing to give up crap. And the democrats are trying to make political fodder out of this as if it is a good thing. I bet if the numbers were really known, 95% of the people presently on medicare have already exceeded any financial contribution they made during their lives to the program. I would also like to know how many are presently on medicare that never paid a dime into it including illegal aliens or their children. Jay can you find these numbers? I bet not.
Is it 2012 yet?
May 26th, 2011
4:43 pm
Normal
May 26th, 2011
3:36 pm
Hi Kam,
All’s well with you I hope?
Peadawg,
you know better than that. The Democrats in the House can’t stop the filibuster, now can they?
I get so tired of the Dems using that as an excuse. What happened with the Obamacare vote, they didn’t have aproblem with that…….Oh, I forgot, they lied, cheated, gave favors for those votes, but they did it….
Adam
May 26th, 2011
4:43 pm
Peadawg @ 4:41, your quote proves nothing. But thanks for playing.
godless heathen
May 26th, 2011
4:43 pm
Here’s a story about nosy gun questions:
An Arizona Department of Public Safety officer pulled over pick-up truck owner Mike Murray for a weapons check because of an NRA bumper sticker. Mr. Murray handed the officer his driver’s license, insurance card, vehicle registration and concealed carry permit.
The officer took all the documents, looked them over and said, “Mr. Murray, I see you have a CCP. Do you have any weapons with you?”
Mr. Murray replied, “Why yes I do. I have a .357 revolver in my right side hip holster, a .45 semi-automatic in the glove box and a two shot .44 magnum derringer tucked in my left boot.”
The officer looked at Mr. Murray and asked, “Anything else?”
“Yes, I have a fully loaded Mossberg 500 12 gauge shotgun and a fully loaded .223 AR-15 (30 round magazine) in the trunk”
The officer asked if Mr. Murry if he was driving to or from a shooting range and Mr. Murray said he was not. The officer then bent over and looked right into his face and said, “Mr. Murray, you have quite an arsenal here. May I ask what you are afraid of?”
Mr. Murray locked eyes with the officer and calmly answered, ” Not a f******g thing!”
Greg
May 26th, 2011
4:43 pm
Peadawg,
My son had to have some ct scans and what not when he had tubes placed in his ears to make sure they were medically necessary. I imagine this was the same with your fathers knee replacement. I highly doubt the point of the sonogram has any merit medically. I would guess most people know there is a detectable heartbeat days into the pregnancy, who can hear it soon after and limbs and such begin developing very early. This is just an attempt to lay a guilt trip on people or at the very least inconvenience (badly mispelled) them.
Soothsayer
May 26th, 2011
4:44 pm
Playboy Sex Survey: America’s Getting Naughtier
– 27 percent of men and 23 percent of women have been photographed or filmed nude, and 15 percent of men and 9 percent of women have been photographed or filmed while having sex.
– 16 percent of adults have “sexted” someone on their phone with an explicit message or photo.
– 33 percent of men and 23 percent of women who have used a dating site have done so while already in a relationship.
– Only 4 percent of men and 2 percent of women have sex every day.
– 17 percent of men and 15 percent of women have answered the phone during sex.
– 88 percent of men and 51 percent of women usually or always reach climax during sex, while 22 percent of women rarely or never reach climax. Sixteen percent of men and 46 percent of women have faked an orgasm.
jm
May 26th, 2011
4:45 pm
Mighty Righty 4:39 – second that. Some of the few procedures I’ve had thus far required weeks of advance planning. 24 hours is nothing. Jay apparently prefers a McD’s driveby abortion, snap!
I still think the R legislation is stupid, but Jay’s argument doesn’t hold much water.
Adam
May 26th, 2011
4:45 pm
Thulsa:
Gay marriage – marriage between two consenting adults, not affecting anyone else’s marriage
Marriage – marriage between two consenting adults, not affecting anyone else’s marriage
See, your argument doesn’t hold water. They are the same thing, and not forcing anyone else’s views on you at all. What two consenting adults agree to between themselves isn’t your business, and doesn’t affect you. No one is forcing YOU to get married to someone of the same sex. So again, your argument is useless.
Message from Matti
May 26th, 2011
4:45 pm
Peadawg,
And some women, after taking the time to make the agonizing decision, have to take unpaid time off from work, find care for their other children, and travel several hundred miles for the procedure. And you want her to have to stay an EXTRA day in a strange city, incurring more expenses, to sit in a motel for a whole 24 hours to go BACK to the clinic again? For what — to make YOU feel better?
Doggone/GA
May 26th, 2011
4:46 pm
“I get so tired of the Dems using that as an excuse”
Their are NO filibusters in the House of Representatives
josef nix
May 26th, 2011
4:46 pm
THULSA
You’re in favor of Prop 8? I thought you didn’t like Obama…politics sho makes strange bedfellows…
Adam
May 26th, 2011
4:47 pm
Mighy Righty: No wonder so many women use abortion as a contraceptive.
Not Intended to be a Factual Statement
Jay
May 26th, 2011
4:47 pm
Peadawg, there is nothing in the least contradictory in those quotes.
sallie
May 26th, 2011
4:47 pm
rudolph bombed the clinic I used for a abortion.
jm
May 26th, 2011
4:47 pm
pogo 4:43 – average Medicare beneficiary pays in $100,000 and gets out $400,000 in health benefits. That’s a recipe for bankruptcy.
Kamchak
May 26th, 2011
4:50 pm
For what — to make YOU feel better?
Apparently so.
Peadawg
May 26th, 2011
4:51 pm
“No wonder so many women use abortion as a contraceptive.
Not Intended to be a Factual Statement” – Are you saying there are NO women that do that? It’d be a little naive to believe that NO women do that. I wouldn’t say “so many” but I wouldn’t say “none at all” either.
Matti, she still has a CHOICE which is what y’all want. She doesn’t have to do ANY of what you listed.
jm
May 26th, 2011
4:51 pm
well this is whack
http://news.discovery.com/human/hand-sanitizers-can-influence-alcohol-test-110526.html#mkcpgn=rssnws1
Jay
May 26th, 2011
4:52 pm
For every woman using abortion as a contraceptive, there’s a man doing the same thing.
Jay
May 26th, 2011
4:52 pm
jm, do you have a source for those Medicare numbers? (Not challenging your veracity, just want to see them and related data).
USMC
May 26th, 2011
4:52 pm
More HATEFUL attacks from the Democratic Leadership…Here we go again…
New DNC Boss Calls GOP ‘Anti-Women’
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/05/26/new-dnc-boss-calls-gop-anti-women
This is really becoming a joke
@@
May 26th, 2011
4:52 pm
Cowboy:
My employer doesn’t look at my woo-hoo..does yours?
She’s female and straight. Why would she?
My gynecologist, on the other hand, does more than look at it. Then we talk about getting together for dinner, taking a weekend excursion, mutual friends, all manner of things.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
May 26th, 2011
4:52 pm
If the concern is women and their “inability” to make rational decisions so much so that they must be protected from making “rash” decision, why is it that we dont impose these restrictions on any elective surgical procedures. In fact if we really must protect these women from “rash decisions” we should consider all aspects of their daily lifes since I am confident their inability must not be limited to child-bearing.
Why dont we impose these restrictions on families that have artificial-fertilization or who any female who is pregnant…why I sure some rashly decide to bear children.
Why I daresay, is it not dangerous to let them vote without a waiting period to be sure they dont make rash decisions.
josef nix
May 26th, 2011
4:55 pm
SoCo, in case you check in…just saw one out front. Landscape truck drives up. Latino gets out of the driver’s side, black guy gets out of the passanger side and starts unloading equipment. Latino guy’s talking on the cell phone…
Yep, send them Messicans home and give them jobs to our own people…
Thulsa Doom
May 26th, 2011
4:55 pm
95% of the people presently on medicare have already exceeded any financial contribution they made during their lives to the program. I would also like to know how many are presently on medicare that never paid a dime into it including illegal aliens or their children. Jay can you find these numbers? I bet not.- POGO
Pogo,
I saw that stat and will try to find it but I remember the rough numbers. The average Medicare benefiicary will pay approximately $110,000 into the system and take out $300,000 worth of benefits. Clearly this system is unsustainable.
Another problem is that our system is rife with fraud. The most common fraud that I’ve seen is a form of fraud perpetuated by illegal aliens but not Central Americans. The people from what I’ve seen that abuse it the most is middle easterners and from one country in particular Iran.
The way it works is that their kids work and live here. They have their parents come here and claim that they live with their kids and get green cards and apply for and receive Medicaid/ Medicare- yes you can be on both.
The parents simply go back home and live. If they find out they have cancer or need an important, costly operation they simply fly back to the U.S. and get an expensive operation paid for courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer. The requirement is that they live in the U.S. but the gbument has no way of actually knowing how long or how often these people live here at a time.
As one Iranian legal immigrant who became a naturalized citizen told me we are the world’s biggest suckers. I had seen this and she herself and told me she knew many Iranians who practice this same scam. And while I’ve seen more middle easterners abuse this system than anybody there are also Europeans and other Asians who scam the system this way.
Jay
May 26th, 2011
4:56 pm
Pogo:
“Generally, you are eligible for Medicare if you or your spouse worked for at least 10 years in Medicare-covered employment and you are 65 years or older and a citizen or permanent resident of the United States. “
BADA BING
May 26th, 2011
4:56 pm
I am not opposed to gays having a legal relationship. Call it Garriage. Marriage is a word and has a definition, don’t change the meaning of a word, what would happen to language if we changed words on a whim, or because it was popular? Is this so hard?
Peadawg
May 26th, 2011
4:56 pm
“why I sure some rashly decide to bear children.” – Yup, you heard of “16 and pregnant”?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
May 26th, 2011
4:56 pm
This is really becoming a joke
Why I daresay the Republican party lockstep and tea party have been a joke for a long time…a bad sad joke with a very unfunny punchline but a joke nontheless.
Jay
May 26th, 2011
4:57 pm
Yeah, I saw that Godless.
Bogus.
Doggone/GA
May 26th, 2011
4:57 pm
“If the concern is women and their “inability” to make rational decisions so much so that they must be protected from making “rash” decision”
And what law is there to prevent the MAN from making the “rash” decision that led to the pregnancy in the first place?
godless heathen
May 26th, 2011
4:58 pm
Alcohol Test: Just take the Derek Lowe approach, refuse the test and skate on the charges. Why take a chance?
jm
May 26th, 2011
4:59 pm
Jay 4:52- I’ve cited those numbers before and provided a source. I’ll try to go dig it up… again. I feel like I’m reliving Groundhog Day
Doggone/GA
May 26th, 2011
5:00 pm
“what would happen to language if we changed words on a whim, or because it was popular?”
We could have “gay” and “queer” back?
Thulsa Doom
May 26th, 2011
5:00 pm
Jay
May 26th, 2011
4:52 pm
jm, do you have a source for those Medicare numbers? (Not challenging your veracity, just want to see them and related data).
Jay,
I had seen the same stat except that as I remember it the amount the average beneficiary takes out was a little over 300k and not 400k. If I remember correctly from a govt source such as a report on the Medicare system. I’ll try to look it up.
Its probably easy to find out the amount of money the average beneficiary puts into the system over time and its 100k or so- that sounds about right. As far as what they take out of the system on an everyday basis its difficult for me as someone who deals with Medicare beneficiaries to not believe that the average beneficiary doesn’t take out 300k or more.
josef nix
May 26th, 2011
5:00 pm
Doggone
Yep! When folks ask Unmentionable if he’s gay, he says, “I’m not even mildly amused.” When they ask me if I’m queer, I tell them, as queer as they come. I’m also a homosexual… but now, courtesy of your marvelous wordsmithery, I’ll say I’m also homophiliasexual!
jewcowboy
May 26th, 2011
5:00 pm
@@,
“Why would she?”
“And Recon also makes a valid point.
An employer can’t ask about ones sexual orientation, religious beliefs or political persuasion on a job application, because those are intrusive as well as irrelevant questions. Same is true for a pediatrician asking about gun ownership.”
You were agreeing with Recon about comparing your employer to your doctor. I was just pointing out invasion of privacy concerns comparisons between the two don’t really make all that much sense.
Kamchak
May 26th, 2011
5:00 pm
A tractor-trailer hauling 36,900 pounds of explosives has been involved in a four-vehicle crash on I-285 eastbound in DeKalb County.
I hate that road.
Message from Matti
May 26th, 2011
5:01 pm
Peadawg: “…she still has a CHOICE which is what y’all want. She doesn’t have to do ANY of what you listed.”
Says YOU! You don’t even know her! And yet, magically, you know enough about a woman you never met to make such a critical, personal decision. Amazing! Hey, what’s the stock market gonna do tomorrow? Got some lottery numbers for us, Jambi? (Mecka lecka high, mecka hiney ho!)
FullMetalJacket
May 26th, 2011
5:01 pm
My MD: Do you keep a handgun in your house?
FMJ: Yes Doc, it’s a 9mm semi-auto.
My MD: I am going to prescribe a .45 ACP semi-auto instead. Better penetration, more stopping power. It’s the one I use.
sallie
May 26th, 2011
5:02 pm
I think the STATE should force divorcees (who by the way are sinners) to spend one last weekend in a motel six bopping their brains out before they sign the papers. Maybe, all that fornicating can stop them from a one-way ticket to hell.
jewcowboy
May 26th, 2011
5:02 pm
BADA BING,
“what would happen to language if we changed words on a whim, or because it was popular?”
Word! Oh wait…does that mean a unit of language, consisting of one or more spoken sounds or their written representation, that functions as a principal carrier of meaning or does that mean I’m in agreement with your statement. So confusing…
Doggone/GA
May 26th, 2011
5:03 pm
“but now, courtesy of your marvelous wordsmithery, I’ll say I’m also homophiliasexual!”
I like that one too! I’ve got to say that “changing the meaning of the word marriage” has GOT to be the silliest, weakest argument of them ALL.
jewcowboy
May 26th, 2011
5:05 pm
Mighty Right @ 5.00pm,
Seriously? Do you not understand the concept of links rather than cutting and pasting?
@@
May 26th, 2011
5:05 pm
Cowboy:
You were agreeing with Recon about comparing your employer to your doctor. I was just pointing out invasion of privacy concerns comparisons between the two don’t really make all that much sense.
Sure it does. My employer can’t delve into social issues. Neither should my doctor be able to… unless I’ve got a social disease, which is a medical issue.
Jay
May 26th, 2011
5:06 pm
No, @@, it does not make sense. The doctor-patient relationship is recognized in the law as special. The doctor is supposed to have no concerns other than the patient’s well-being. The employer-employee relationship, on the other hand, is a business relationship in which both parties are understood to have their own interests.
There is no equivalency.
jewcowboy
May 26th, 2011
5:06 pm
Yowza! It’s raining sheets in Buckhead. I can’t even see out my office window. And hailing.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
May 26th, 2011
5:06 pm
My employer can’t delve into social issues.
This is going to be a shock to United Way and companies that offer charitible donations on social issues.
josef nix
May 26th, 2011
5:06 pm
Well, Microsoft certainly seems to be doing a boom bidness changing Words on a whim…
josef nix
May 26th, 2011
5:08 pm
Doggone
Well, like my pompous self likes to say, if after 35 years with the same person foresaking all others and raising three younguns ain’t “married” then tell me what is…
Doggone/GA
May 26th, 2011
5:08 pm
“changing Words on a whim…”
And changing them rashly as well!
BADA BING
May 26th, 2011
5:08 pm
Any teachers or scientists here? What if we changed the definition of words? Would that confuse your students? What if 100 ccs of medicine suddenly became 150 ccs? Any effect? Gay marriage is an oxymoron. Give it another name, I believe people will be more accepting.
too little time
May 26th, 2011
5:10 pm
Peadawg wrote:
“But you cannot logically argue that it is government’s place to dictate what can and cannot be said between patient and doctor.” – Says someone who supports a 15 person panel of “experts” deciding what treatmet someone can receive. Save it, Jay.
LOL. That just about says it all. We can pass laws and make policy to force doctors to discuss end-of-life treatment with their Medicare patients right Jay? Isn’t that government dictating what is said between doctor and patient?
Hypocrisy on the right…. meet hypocrisy in the left!
Jay
May 26th, 2011
5:10 pm
You’d have a point, time, if the law in question actually did try to force doctors to do so.
It didn’t, so you don’t.
Next.
Doggone/GA
May 26th, 2011
5:11 pm
“ain’t “married” then tell me what is…”
Exactly. The WORST THING that ever happened to marriage was when religion jumped into the pool. We might not even be having a discussion about what is or isn’t “marriage” if religion had stayed out of what is a purely legal relationship.
Kamchak
May 26th, 2011
5:11 pm
cowboy, what if I put a yugo emblem on your caddy?
There’s your sign.
Oi!
BADA BING
May 26th, 2011
5:11 pm
cowboy, what if I put a yugo emblem on your caddy? Would you leave it there?
Jay
May 26th, 2011
5:15 pm
Mighty, if you want to post a much shorter version of that, please do. However, nothing in there bears the slightest resemblance to anything that could logically be called a “death panel.”
I’d also point out that the proposal to encourage end-of-life counseling came from Georgia Sen. Johnny Isakson.
jewcowboy
May 26th, 2011
5:17 pm
BADA BING,
If we both own caddy’s, would me owning one change yours in any way?
BADA BING
May 26th, 2011
5:17 pm
The word definiton you find in Urban Dictionary is not the correct meaning. They are slang, cool, hip, in, happening ,etc. Do you want your Dr. to give you a precise explanation of your disease, or just tell you to chill out a little, mellow out, take a chill pill, go with it? Is that acceptable to you?
Doggone/GA
May 26th, 2011
5:17 pm
“Gay marriage is an oxymoron. Give it another name, I believe people will be more accepting”
There’s no need. “Separate but equal” doesn’t work. Marriage is a legal contract. There are laws regulating that contract. It’s easier to simply make “marriage” more inclusive, than it is to change those myriad contractual laws to include some form of “separate but equal” marriage.
josef nix
May 26th, 2011
5:17 pm
BADA
Nope. When you make it a license for civil union obtained at the civil union license bureau and require it of one and all wanted state recognition, okay, but until that time. it ain’t equality…so PARSE THAT!
Dusty
May 26th, 2011
5:18 pm
Well, for whom ever asked…It is pouring RAIN IN SHEETS OVER HERE NEAR TUCKER. I may not make it to the band concert later tonight.
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Doctors: Don’t tell my doctor what to ask me. I go to her so I can get some answers. She can’t do it without questions.
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Gentlemen (?) I have now learned more new names for “you know what” than in all my years surrounded by males. Maybe they knew that some things are better left unsaid.. Anyway, I commend your wide ranged vacabulary. I regret your sad public manner. Is there ANYTHING private in your lives?
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AND do you know these figures: From 2000 to 2010, the U.S. grew by 9.7%. More than half of that growth was due to an incrase in the Hispanic population. The Asian population grew faster than any other major racial group in this same time period..
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Figures from U.S. Census Bureau as reported in the LUTHERAN Magazine of June 2011
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Rain slowing down. I better get moving!!
Paulo977
May 26th, 2011
5:19 pm
Doggone
We might not even be having a discussion about what is or isn’t “marriage” if religion had stayed out of what is a purely legal relationship…..OH ABSOLUTELY…..
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May 26th, 2011
5:20 pm
jay, I really don’t understand your outrage on this law.
At NPR: It’s not just questions in the examining room that lead the NRA to charge pediatricians with a political agenda. Out of concern for the high number of firearms injuries among children and adolescents, the American Academy of Pediatrics is also on record supporting gun control.
Politifact confirms the AAP’s record on supporting gun control.
Back to NPR:
In a compromise with another doctors’ group, the Florida Medical Association, the NRA agreed to one exception to the ban: Doctors would be permitted to ask questions about guns in cases where they feel it’s directly relevant to the patient’s care or the safety of others.
Looks like your Dr. Robinson is paranoid for no good reason. Perhaps he has a personal agenda…like say…gun control?
Much ado about nothing.
jewcowboy
May 26th, 2011
5:20 pm
BADA BING,
How about any of these? http://writinghood.com/style/grammar/eight-words-which-have-completely-changed-their-meaning-over-time/
Language evolves as do our societal norms. I’m assuming that women are no longer property for marriage purposes.
BADA BING
May 26th, 2011
5:20 pm
Time shift just happened at 5:11. Kamchak responded to my post before mine was even posted.
jm
May 26th, 2011
5:21 pm
Jay, answer to 4:52 in moderation. NPR
Medicare’s Math Problem: Taxes – Benefits = Trouble
http://www.npr.org/2011/04/30/135844222/medicares-math-problem-taxes-benefits-trouble
“An average couple retiring today has paid just a little over $100,000 in Medicare taxes” over the course of their working lives, Steuerle tells Guy Raz, host of weekends on All Things Considered.
And what do they receive?
“About $300,000 in benefits” — even after adjusting for inflation.
josef nix
May 26th, 2011
5:21 pm
BADA
What people think? I’m less concerned with that than I am with what the law SAYS…
jm
May 26th, 2011
5:23 pm
Thulsa 5:00PM – yeah, I was off. But the math is still ridiculously abysmal.
jewcowboy
May 26th, 2011
5:23 pm
josef nix,
“When you make it a license for civil union obtained at the civil union license bureau and require it of one and all wanted state recognition”
Civil Unions: A Love Story
http://youtu.be/47cJSou-6JQ
Jay
May 26th, 2011
5:23 pm
Thanks for the heads up, Bada.
BADA BING
May 26th, 2011
5:25 pm
cowboy…. you are correct, but what if we changed EVERY word, Every year? Any questions? (Please respond with words that have different meanings than what you meant).
jm
May 26th, 2011
5:25 pm
Jay, looking forward to your response after you’ve had a chance to read the NPR report.
The math means the program is so seriously broken that something has to drastically change. If IPAB doesn’t work (I don’t think it will), and RyanCare is a no go, then I think we’re left with lifetime caps, and ones that should probably change depending on age.
As Clinton said: “arithmetic still matters”.
Jay
May 26th, 2011
5:26 pm
And thanks jm, for the links.
jewcowboy
May 26th, 2011
5:26 pm
BADA BING,
“(Please respond with words that have different meanings than what you meant).”
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jewcowboy
May 26th, 2011
5:28 pm
And BADA,
As josef nix pointed out, I care less about what people think about a word’s meaning that how those the law affects my life.
Thulsa Doom
May 26th, 2011
5:28 pm
jewcowboy
May 26th, 2011
4:41 pm
Thulsa Doom,
“then please pick me up one of them tasty chocolate unicorns while you’re in liberal fantasy land. ”
It was quote from your link…are you saying your link was bunk?- jewcowboy
The link I provided had nothing to do with the point I was making. It was referring to a differnt point. Reading comprehension sir!
“Deal with it cowboy. ” ~ “To each his own but it seems to me that forcing your views on people goes a little too far”
My…you get testy when your hypocrisy is pointed out don’t you? Evidently, it’s ok for you to force your views on my life.
Nope. 6,000 years of an accepted social norm is not forcing my views on anyone. A minority gourp trying to force social acceptance via marriage of a deviant practice on everyone else is.