On auto bailout, Romney performs rarely seen flip-flop-flip

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Before we abandon the auto bailout as a topic, I’d like to focus a little more tightly on the interplay it has inspired between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, because there’s something about it that seems strangely familiar.

With the bailout now acknowledged as a rather remarkable success, Romney’s staff is trying to claim credit by pointing to an op-ed piece written by the former Massachusetts governor back in November 2008. As the New York Times reports:

“Mitt Romney had the idea first,” said Eric Fehrnstrom, a Romney spokesman, citing the Times opinion article. “You have to acknowledge that. He was advocating for a course of action that eventually the Obama administration adopted.”

If you read the op-ed in question, you find there’s actually some truth to Fehrnstrom’s claim.

“It is not wrong to ask for government help, but the automakers should come up with a win-win proposition,” Romney wrote back in ‘08, stressing the need to tear up old labor contracts, install new management, put more money into research and development of new products and make sure that investors pay the price for their bad decisions.

“Don’t ask Washington to give shareholders and bondholders a free pass — they bet on management and they lost,” Romney wrote.

In broad terms, that’s pretty much the course that Obama followed. But of course, the story doesn’t end there. Let’s briefly review the chain of events:

1.) Romney lays out broad outlines of a plan to rescue American auto industry.

2.) Obama implements a plan that follows general contours of Romney plan.

3.) Conservative Republicans erupt in fury at Obama plan, condemning it as a government takeover of industry and accusing Obama of being a socialist Marxist Kenyan secularist Muslim, or something like that.

4.) Romney joins the withering condemnation of the Obama plan, ignoring the fact that it’s quite similar to his own. He says it’s “a very sad circumstance for this country … really tragic in a lot of ways.”

5.) The plan works, inspiring Romney to try to reclaim authorship of a plan that he earlier attacked as “really tragic” and “very sad.”

Now, is it just me, or have I heard this same storyline before? There’s just something about that narrative that rings a bell. Anybody help me out here?

– Jay Bookman

353 comments Add your comment

Granny Godzilla

May 25th, 2011
1:21 pm

Good Lord!

Does that have man a spine made out of jello?

jm

May 25th, 2011
1:21 pm

“In broad terms”

And therein lies the rub. I guess so, if broad includes the width of the Mississippi at its widest point during the 2011 floods.

Obama (the constitutional scholar), in violation of decades of case law, pushed union economic interests ahead of bondholders in a way Romney never would have done. Romney would’ve given the unions a pari-passu share, I suspect.

So I think Romney is fine making his suggestions, criticizing Obama’s plan, but taking credit for his actions that may have influenced policy.

Personally, I don’t agree with the bunk that the government has been made whole, but that’s another issue.

RGB

May 25th, 2011
1:25 pm

You have love this:

Obama code-named ‘smart alec’ in Britain

Scotland Yard, the UK’s police force, has given Obama the security codename ‘Chalaque’ for his visit this week to the United Kingdom, the UK Daily Mail reports. The term is reportedly a Punjabi word meaning someone who is too clever for his own good, according to the newspaper. [U.K. Daily Mail]

Perhaps Romney is Chalaque.

RGB

May 25th, 2011
1:26 pm

Oops: “to”

jm

May 25th, 2011
1:27 pm

Peterson Fiscal Summit getting cranked back up!

http://www.pgpf.org/PGPF/Home/FiscalSummit/livestream.aspx

David Brooks
Alan Simpson
David Cody (CEO honeywell)
Megan Maccartle (Atlantic)
A Bloomberg Guy
And an author of “why the 20 and 30 somethings can’t get ahead”

(plus more!)

jm

May 25th, 2011
1:28 pm

Mitch Daniels is somewhere on the agenda….

Wes

May 25th, 2011
1:29 pm

Jay,

What were your thoughts on Kyle’s piece?

Andrews

May 25th, 2011
1:30 pm

But Rumneed’s a good Christian man.

jm

May 25th, 2011
1:31 pm

Brooks: Boomer generation has an incentive to push the costs on the next generation. They don’t want to pay for the government they want.

thanks boomers

Goldie

May 25th, 2011
1:32 pm

I think Ole Mitt should just be nicknamed “Flipper” from now on — he flipped on his pro-choice stance, he has flipped around on his own healthcare reform policies in the state of MA, and now he’s flipped-flopped-and-flipped-again regarding the auto bailout. I hope he keeps raising the $$$ he needs to work thru the Repub primaries, because he just adds more and more to the entertainment factor every week!

Go Flipper GO!

TnGelding

May 25th, 2011
1:32 pm

He says it’s “a very sad circumstance for this country … really tragic in a lot of ways.”

It’s true and there is no inconsistency here. But it was necessary.

jm

May 25th, 2011
1:33 pm

Jay, would appear your overly optimistic assessment of the Auto bailouts is resoundingly refuted by Kyle’s column.

Jay, seriously, can’t you look at this honestly?

HW

May 25th, 2011
1:33 pm

TaxPayer

May 25th, 2011
1:34 pm

Well, I note that you left out “uppity”, “communist” and “illegal alien” for starters from that list of descriptors that Republicans used and still use in conjunction with Obama.

jm

May 25th, 2011
1:36 pm

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 25th, 2011
1:37 pm

Special note:

Liberals ……. do not read this. It will upset you.

A STORY FOR GUN LOVERS:

“An Arizona Department of Public Safety officer pulled over pick-up truck owner Mike Murray for a weapons check because of an NRA bumper sticker. Mr. Murray handed the officer his driver’s license, insurance card, vehicle registration and concealed carry permit.

The officer took all the documents, looked them over and said, “Mr. Murray, I see you have a CCP. Do you have any weapons with you?”

Mr. Murray replied, “Why yes I do. I have a .357 revolver in my right side hip holster, a .45 semi-automatic in the glove box and a two shot .44 magnum derringer tucked in my left boot.”

The officer looked at Mr. Murray and asked, “Anything else?”

“Yes, I have a fully loaded Mossberg 500 12 gauge shotgun and a fully loaded .223 AR-15 (30 round magazine) in the trunk”

The officer asked if Mr. Murry if he was driving to or from a shooting range and Mr. Murray said he was not. The officer then bent over and looked right into his face and said, “Mr. Murray, you have quite an arsenal here. May I ask what you are afraid of?”

Mr. Murray locked eyes with the officer and calmly answered, “Not a f***ing thing !!!”

An Arizona Department of Public Safety officer pulled over pick-up truck owner Mike Murray for a weapons check because of an NRA bumper sticker. Mr. Murray handed the officer his driver’s license, insurance card, vehicle registration and concealed carry permit.

The officer took all the documents, looked them over and said, “Mr. Murray, I see you have a CCP. Do you have any weapons with you?”

Mr. Murray replied, “Why yes I do. I have a .357 revolver in my right side hip holster, a .45 semi-automatic in the glove box and a two shot .44 magnum derringer tucked in my left boot.”

The officer looked at Mr. Murray and asked, “Anything else?”

“Yes, I have a fully loaded Mossberg 500 12 gauge shotgun and a fully loaded .223 AR-15 (30 round magazine) in the trunk”

The officer asked if Mr. Murry if he was driving to or from a shooting range and Mr. Murray said he was not. The officer then bent over and looked right into his face and said, “Mr. Murray, you have quite an arsenal here. May I ask what you are afraid of?”

Mr. Murray locked eyes with the officer and calmly answered, “Not a f***ing thing !!!”

mm

May 25th, 2011
1:37 pm

You can’t be a republican unless you are a pandering fool.

“Obama code-named ‘smart alec’ in Britain”

This must have been on the Rush show today, because I’ve already seen several wingnuts bring it up.

Now, to finish the story. The name was computer generated. The UK security is quite embarrassed.

I also saw where wingnuts are claiming Obama screwed up a toast to the queen because she gave a dirty look. Fact is, shw was giving the band a dirty look for playing during the toast.

And NY-26 is a sign of things to come for the Medicare killing GOP in 2012.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 25th, 2011
1:38 pm

Sorry for the double ……….. or you may enjoy reading it twice …………….. :o

Mr. Snarky

May 25th, 2011
1:38 pm

Poor Mitt, no respect I tell you, no respect.

John Birch

May 25th, 2011
1:39 pm

It must be something like “first thing, I’m going to close Gitmo” or maybe “those tax cuts for people making more than $250,000 a year will be the first thing to go” or maybe ” we only need to send two brigades into Afghanistan”.

USinUK

May 25th, 2011
1:39 pm

flippity floppity flippity floppity

oh, and MITTENS!!!

Goldie

May 25th, 2011
1:41 pm

And what’s really “a very sad circumstance for this country … really tragic in a lot of ways…” is the fact that Ole Flipper is not a hater like most of the rest of the GOP. He’s actually a non-hateful, likable fella and if he could grow himself a spine, he could be a positive force for the GOP in 2012.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 25th, 2011
1:41 pm

BADA BING:

Headline: “Neil Armstrong says Obama is killing off U.S. space program”

Ah ………………… that’s one step for a man and one giant leap backwards for El Jeffe !

jm

May 25th, 2011
1:41 pm

Brooks: Obama has to cross the “rubicon” that seniors have to take some cuts and the middle class has to pay more

Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)

May 25th, 2011
1:41 pm

Don’t ask Washington to give shareholders and bondholders a free pass — they bet on management and they lost,” Romney wrote. / In broad terms, that’s pretty much the course that Obama followed

Can you say Obama victory in ‘12?

TRI-ANG-U-LATION ( trī-ˌaŋ-gyə-ˈlā-shən )

USMC

May 25th, 2011
1:42 pm

MORE HATEFUL ATTACKS ON REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES FROM LEFT-WING LIBERAL, MARXIST: JAY BOOKMAN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEkHh-Y_Yms

Obama LIES 7 times in TWO minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfu1_Scgyow

Joe Cool~"PRESIDENT Obama" Tells Birthers,"Thanks For Playing BI+CHES"

May 25th, 2011
1:42 pm

Whats to be upset about 1811/1801 – 0311/0317?

Don't Tread

May 25th, 2011
1:43 pm

Makes me glad I didn’t vote for Romney in the last primary. He appears to be Obama-lite. (no pun intended…oh wait, yes it was :mrgreen: )

USMC

May 25th, 2011
1:43 pm

Jay, seriously, can’t you look at this honestly?”–jm

I think we have all read the “Bookman Follies” enough to know that this is clearly a dumb question, jm.
(that’s okay jm, your allowed one every once in a while) :-)

jm

May 25th, 2011
1:43 pm

Brooks: Republicans will accept tax revenue increases if Dems will accept large and significant spending cuts

Granny Godzilla

May 25th, 2011
1:44 pm

Scout

Neil is right.

Sad, but can we afford to help the man in the moon OR the little green men on Mars before we help the tornado victims in Joplin?

FYI: private companies are doing incredible work in the field.

jm

May 25th, 2011
1:45 pm

Simpson: Norquist is a dbag

Jay

May 25th, 2011
1:45 pm

I don’t have a problem with Kyle’s piece as far as it goes, except to note that if you want to cast a broader net, you should do so on savings as well.

For example, how much has the government saved itself by not having to pay out unemployment benefits to hundreds of thousands of autoworkers and those in related industries? Billions, no doubt.

How much has the government saved itself in health-care costs for the autoworkers and retirees that the revamped companies are still paying, obligations that would have fallen onto the taxpayers if GM and Chrysler disappeared? Billions more, no doubt.

How much did the government save itself in pension costs? Those pensions are still being paid by the companies in question; had they gone under, the federal Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. would have had to pick up the costs. That’s many billions more over time.

How many billions in tax revenue is the government receiving because those autoworkers are still generating paychecks, rather than being forced to live off entitlement programs? Quite a few, no doubt.

In other words, if you want an honest, comprehensive analysis of costs vs. savings, you have to make it, well, comprehensive.

As the Wall Street Journal reported in November:

The Center for Automotive Research said today the government’s bailouts of the U.S. auto industry spared more than 1.14 million jobs last year alone, and prevented “additional personal income losses” of nearly $97 billion combined for this year and last.

Another 314,400 jobs were saved this year thanks to the $80 billion in taxpayer lifelines extended to GM, Chrysler, and the GMAC and Chrysler Financial financing businesses, CAR said. The research organization based its conclusions on the potential impact of auto-industry collapse for jobs at U.S. auto makers and suppliers, and cascading effects on the economy at large.”

jm

May 25th, 2011
1:49 pm

The old guys have more mettle than the current crop of boomers and dbags currently “leading” and running the country. Love Simpson.

http://www.pgpf.org/PGPF/Home/FiscalSummit/livestream.aspx

mm

May 25th, 2011
1:49 pm

After these clowns get through their nomination process, I think there will be some GOP voter defections strictly out of shame.

TaxPayer

May 25th, 2011
1:50 pm

Boehner was overheard rehearsing his latest speech, “Read my lips, there will be no, well there will not be significant, well, maybe there will be significant, well, there will be significant tax increases for the wealthiest but I never ever not once promised anyone a job and that is a fact.”

Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)

May 25th, 2011
1:52 pm

Don’t Tread : “Makes me glad I didn’t vote for Romney in the last primary. He appears to be Obama-lite. ”

You know it occurs to me that Romney is the biggest triangulator in presidential history, only he forgot to get into office first before pulling off his triangulation.

jm

May 25th, 2011
1:53 pm

Jay 1:45 – I don’t deny the “savings” exist. But on that logic, we should bail out most failing companies with government money….

Yes, on a net-net present value basis (versus a scenario where the auto industry disappeared in the US, a realistic possibility during the mega recession), the government has come out ahead.

BUT, Chrysler has not “paid back” the taxpayers yet (and almost certainly never will).

AmVet

May 25th, 2011
1:54 pm

Back in 2008, i observed that the cons had the following candidates:

9/11(!!!) Rudy
Lazy Fred
Flat-earth Sam
Tom Who?
The Hucksterbee
The RINO and the Rack (nominees)

And………………………

Flip-flopping Mitt.

Same as it ever was.

USMC

May 25th, 2011
1:54 pm

Here we go folks, more R@CISM from City Hall:
http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/divisions-come-to-fore-957172.html

Here Mayor Kasim Reed is judging on the color of skin NOT the content of character.

Unbelievable!

TaxPayer

May 25th, 2011
1:54 pm

Ryan’s own Talk Radio Party members are abandoning him and his yellowbrick roadmap and I’ll vouch for that.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 25th, 2011
1:56 pm

Mr. Snarky:

I sure miss old Rodney !

“I came from a real tough neighborhood. I put my hand in some cement and felt another hand.”

Read more: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/r/rodney_dangerfield.html#ixzz1NO4DgMTR

Bosch

May 25th, 2011
1:57 pm

Dammit! Jay changes threads when I’m on a ROLL!!!

And….thanks Jay for the Romney piece, now we can all type:

MITTENS!!

Peadawg

May 25th, 2011
1:57 pm

OH NO! Romney’s playing politics! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

:roll:

Mark in mid-town

May 25th, 2011
1:58 pm

Jay writes: “how much has the government saved itself by not having to pay out unemployment benefits to hundreds of thousands of autoworkers and those in related industries? Billions, no doubt.”

That assumes that a allowing a normal bankruptcy to play itself out with the subsequent restructuring would have led to hundreds of thousands of autoworkers and those in related industries losing their jobs. On what historical happening is such assumption based on? Auto employment is based on demand. Would that demand have dried up?

Back in the 1980s and 1990s, large legacy airlines disappeared left and right. Yet the amount of those partaking in air-travel during this time increased substantially. I assume those who had been working for the airlines that disappeared were more than absorbed by the airlines that survived and any new ones which started up.

Jay

May 25th, 2011
1:59 pm

Mark, the auto industry is not the airline industry.

Investing many billions in a new plant and new product lines can take five to 10 years easily, and those plants would not have been built in the Rust Belt regions where most of the unemployed would have been.

Logical Dude

May 25th, 2011
2:00 pm

Romney takes credit for creating the groundwdork for the auto-bailout.
Romney takes “credit” for creating the model for ObamaCare.

Why, Romney is the ONLY Republican candidate with the experience to actually do Presidential actions!

Mitt in 2012!

Of course, this all means the far right will bury him in the Preliminaries, so it’ll probably be Pawlenty. . . who did what?

USMC

May 25th, 2011
2:00 pm

Another DEMOCRAT BUFFOON being indicted:
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/ap-source-edwards-could-957128.html

How many of you actually voted for this POS???
(yeah, don’t want to admit, do ya?)

Craig

May 25th, 2011
2:00 pm

Poor Jay,
Like a lot of liberals, you are just oblivious to the real world. First, Romney advocated a controlled bankruptcy for the auto companies rather than a loan of borrowed money from China. this is the approach used a couple of times already by your friends down the road at Delta Airlines.
Second, a controlled bankruptcy would have allowed the auto companies to restructure their union contracts, their debt etc. to emerge viable and not oew anybody.
Third, the way YOU like, the people ( Us ) still own 8-10 % of these companies and we have been paid back with MORE borrowed money. Some from FIAT essentially makes Chrysler a foreignh company owned by the US taxpayers.
I bet Romney can’t wait to get this kind of cocka mania economics into the campaign. So, go back and read some econ books
CraigS

AmVet

May 25th, 2011
2:01 pm

Mitt “The Equivocator” Romney *could* be a helluva good candidate.

Smart, experienced, likable, and by nature a moderate.

But alas, the guy is desperately trying to play the role of that which he is not – a neo-con.

Ergo, DOA…

Haywood Jablome

May 25th, 2011
2:02 pm

I like that fellow’s hair.

It looks all nice and Christiany.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 25th, 2011
2:02 pm

Granny:

See if you can find some change in here and we’ll send YOU to the moon !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid (U.S. Foreign Aid)

USMC

May 25th, 2011
2:03 pm

Jay,
Today would be a great day for you to dust off your bare-chested photo of John Edwards; on second thoughts, please don’t :-)

TnGelding

May 25th, 2011
2:03 pm

moonbat betty

May 25th, 2011
2:03 pm

FEAR THE MITTENS!

Don't Tread

May 25th, 2011
2:04 pm

USMC:

Did you expect anything different? Just look at the contracts for the airport (or anything else done for the city, for that matter).

ATL’s corruption and cronyism is right up there with Chicago.

Logical Dude

May 25th, 2011
2:05 pm

1811 (Scout?) @ 1:37

Great Story! I doubt it’s veracity, but still a good story!
I doubt the story because I just don’t see an Arizona cop profiling drivers with NRA stickers.

jconservative

May 25th, 2011
2:06 pm

So. Thank god for Romney.

Obama had to steal Romney’s ideas on healthcare (Romneycare) so he could create Obamacare.

Now Obama steals Romney’s ideas on bailing out financially in distress industries.

So. If Romney is the Republican nominee for president and gets elected, is it going to be “four more years, four more years”?

TnGelding

May 25th, 2011
2:06 pm

To the victor go the spoils!

USMC

May 25th, 2011
2:07 pm

“I like that fellow’s hair. It looks all nice and Christiany.”

That sounds kinda R@cist :-)

Granny Godzilla

May 25th, 2011
2:07 pm

scout

rather an ackward segue to be sure.

seen Virgin Galactics Space plane?

we could travel together…..but i Want the windoe seat.

TnGelding

May 25th, 2011
2:08 pm

Oprah for president! Springer for Veep!

Jay

May 25th, 2011
2:10 pm

Midori

May 25th, 2011
2:10 pm

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 25th, 2011
2:11 pm

P.S. to Granny:

…………… or Joplin, Mo. if you prefer.

Jefferson

May 25th, 2011
2:12 pm

The dude with all the guns is a frady cat…

Bosch

May 25th, 2011
2:12 pm

Jesus Christ Jay, where is the brain bleach!!!

And USMC, Edwards was already off the ticket by the time the Georgia primary happened, but I was planning to vote for him.

As it turns out, I’m really super glad I didn’t make that mistake.

USMC

May 25th, 2011
2:12 pm

“ATL’s corruption and cronyism is right up there with Chicago.”
http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2011/05/25/more-transparency-needed-in-atlanta-airport-bidding/?cxntfid=blogs_kyle_wingfield

I wonder how r@cially diverse the Atlanta Airport bidding committee is??? Kasim???

Logical Dude

May 25th, 2011
2:15 pm

Granny, but i Want the windoe seat.

I think all seats are Window seats. I’m not sure if they’ve made it to where you can actually float out of your seat to view the “upper windows”, but that was part of the early graphics.

Anyone got 100K that I can borrow? I want to get a seat on Virgin Galactic too!
(and when I say “borrow” I likely won’t be able to pay it back anytime soon)

USMC

May 25th, 2011
2:15 pm

“Just for you, USMC:”

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, Jay, you shut me up for the day! You deserve it, that was Funny as He!! and I walked right into it :-) Missed it by that much!
(would you like your 420 in a Draft or bottle, SIR?

Yahtzee

May 25th, 2011
2:18 pm

Romney doesnt stand a chance, he’s a big government Republican and the Obama administration knows they could take him down.

An outsider will emerge as the GOP candidate.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 25th, 2011
2:18 pm

Logical Dude:

What? Don’t you believe in “profiling” ? …………………. :o

Granny:

Remember this?

To the Moon Alice …… to the Moon !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbCv6b96OK0&feature=fvwrel

AmVet

May 25th, 2011
2:20 pm

Bosch, I too was considering voting for him in the primary. I liked several of his ideas and policy positions. (I know, I know, what does THAT have to do with it? Hey, I’m old school!)

But I like Richardson better.

Ultimately I followed my conscience and voted for the only guy I could respect in the primaries – John McCain…

BADA BING

May 25th, 2011
2:22 pm

Nobody on THIS blog qualifies to fly on Virgin Air. No space for you!

Jefferson

May 25th, 2011
2:22 pm

Again I say the GOP should run the women as their logic would mesh with their actions the best.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 25th, 2011
2:24 pm

Jefferson:

Calm down now ……………. it’s a joke !

TnGelding

May 25th, 2011
2:26 pm

BADA BING

May 25th, 2011
2:26 pm

0311…..did you notice how quickly the Osama stories and jokes disappeared with the media and internet? I would have thought that the story would have legs.

Bosch

May 25th, 2011
2:26 pm

” he’s a big government Republican ”

Seriously Yahtzee, do you HONESTLY believe there is any other kind? I mean, once they get elected?

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

May 25th, 2011
2:31 pm

BADA:

Never !

The mainstream media elected him, they protect him and they will do their best to re-elect him.

Out on patrol for the rest of the day ………

Granny Godzilla

May 25th, 2011
2:33 pm

The mainstream media elected him, they protect him and they will do their best to re-elect him.

that’s why the main stream media has SOOOOOOO many liberals on the Sunday shows right?

ah, myths…..tooth fairy…..santa…liberal main stream media….loch ness monster…..

Mark in mid-town

May 25th, 2011
2:34 pm

Jay writes: “Mark, the auto industry is not the airline industry. Investing many billions in a new plant and new product lines can take five to 10 years easily, and those plants would not have been built in the Rust Belt regions where most of the unemployed would have been”

I disagree that allowing a normal controlled bankruptcy to proceed would have resulted in hundreds of thousands of lost jobs in auto and related industries. I think it would have resulted in the end of the UAW and the massive amount of money they funnel to the Democratic Party.

In reality, the auto bailouts, like much of the stimulus, were structured to basically money-launder taxpayer money to the Democratic Party to ensure its continued monetary and organizational (get out the vote) advantage over the Republican Party. While I admire the brilliance of the strategy, I’m disgusted by the ethics of it.

jm

May 25th, 2011
2:35 pm

Yahtzee

May 25th, 2011
2:35 pm

Bosch,

Unfortunately there are in fact many Republicans who do become “big government” supporters and focus their attention away from the messages they were elected on. That’s politics.

I do support the Tea Party, but I think the Republican establishment is co-opting the movement and “mainstream” Republicans suddenly become Tea Party candidates. It becomes difficult to know which candidate really stands for limited goverment. I hope that an outsider emerges out in front of the primary race, but I won’t be surprised if a Romney or Pawlenty gets the nomination.

Scooter (The Orginal)

May 25th, 2011
2:35 pm

I still think restructuring (they wouldn’t have shut down) the companies through bankruptcy would’ve been the more prudent course. But, the unions wouldn’t have been made whole for their investment in Obama. The bond holders bet on Chrysler Management and the unions bet on Obama… the unions won.

buck@gon

May 25th, 2011
2:37 pm

“With the bailout now acknowledged as a rather remarkable success…” !??!

Jay,

You missed your calling. You should have been a writer instead for the Disney television studios, where semi-serious problems are solved by cliched yet vivacious and buxom adolescents, only because the dullard parents are too vapid and naive to do much but provide comic relief. It’s a formula you’re sure to get in a hurry, I think.

Oh my! The auto bailout was a huge success? Wow. First we all have heard of that, I’m sure.

But with the liberal press, we’re going to hear that ad infinitum until it itself becomes a cliche, until the rational and reasonable world finds itself sick of disputing the constant mischaracterizations and lies, of what can only be described as a gross exaggeration. If the bailouts were a success then ZAP, one leg of the tea party platform is supposedly cut down, isn’t it? And of course, there really is not a problem with spending more money as long as we can tax the rich….. So, begin with a false premise and then talk about creaming Romney. It’s called building a network of BS.

My my, you do have a hard time basing your columns around sound premises. Makes me wonder, since you are a senior citizen now 55, who can become the next generation of liberal columnists, what with the ever-widening gap in the mind between fantasy and reality.

I hope you eventually decide to love and take care of that 30-year-old son of yours who can not function for himself in society.

Logical Dude

May 25th, 2011
2:38 pm

Mark in midtown: the stimulus, were structured to basically money-launder taxpayer money to the Democratic Party

I call BS since the first big stimulus (TARP) was under Bush’s watch.

Bosch

May 25th, 2011
2:42 pm

“It becomes difficult to know which candidate really stands for limited goverment.”

Yahtzee,

That’s because they ARE PART OF THE GOVERNMENT. It’s ludicrous to believe someone who says they are against the very thing they ARE. Don’t you think???

AmVet

May 25th, 2011
2:45 pm

“Out on patrol for the rest of the day ………”

Why did this image pop into my head?

http://blogitlikeyoumeanit.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/caddyshack1.jpg

Buck!!! MUCH too long!

Just tell him you think he’s FOS and quit trying to sound erudite while doing it.

Jeez, all those words and not one single, solitary fact???

buck@gon

May 25th, 2011
2:45 pm

“Does that have man a spine made out of jello?”

Granny,

Yes Obama does, but his nervous system is embedded in a gelatinous tissue that floats with the tides, takes no direction on its own and thus never runs into obstacles. Because it is always under sympathetic observation from the Washington Press Corps as if it were some rare and wonderful species, the extinction of which would doom the world to ignominy, it is quite well protected from injury or even sunlight.

You might say that it is protected by a phalanx of spears pointing outward from its soft, tender and naked floating body.

Dave R.

May 25th, 2011
2:45 pm

Jay, your 2:10 is just wrong in so many ways!

And too early for josef to appreciate! :D

Jay

May 25th, 2011
2:46 pm

Who, Dave R?

Mr_B

May 25th, 2011
2:47 pm

How many union guys got seven-figure bonuses out of stimulus funds?

TaxPayer

May 25th, 2011
2:48 pm

Yup. We should have let AIG go under. Rapture would have been here years in advance of its regularly scheduled due date.

TaxPayer

May 25th, 2011
2:49 pm

Jeez, all those words and not one single, solitary fact???

Another Republican posting, huh.

Billybob

May 25th, 2011
2:49 pm

Way to go jay, I”m sure the email is ringing with kudos from all your other far left opinion-agitators…..FYI, the far left and their/your ‘PC’ is slowly being exposed and is in the process of being confronted….Enjoy!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

May 25th, 2011
2:49 pm

Well, Romney’s got about the same chance as one of Those People in a statewide election here. First you’ll start hearing the word “Mormon.” Next there’ll be talk of his Special Underwear and hints of him having several wifes. In between he’ll be accused of being the first to create Obamacare. Heck, he couldn’t win election in Cobb County. Even old Newt could beat him. He’ll get more Democrat votes than Republican votes. But go ahead and take up for him if you want to.

Yahtzee

May 25th, 2011
2:50 pm

Bosch,

Why is it ludicrous to believe that because someone who is for limited goverment is apart of a government? How else could the goverment shrink its size and scope if no inside proposed the change?

Granny Godzilla

May 25th, 2011
2:52 pm

buck@gon

piffle.

jm

May 25th, 2011
2:52 pm

A. USMC – I don’t think Reed was out of line, because his point was that if you want to effectively communicate with minorities to get the referendum passed, 4 white guys aren’t going to do so effectively. I don’t think he was engaging in cronyism.

B. M. Daniels says: the American people have not been leveled with on the issues and debts (ie, sold denial by Dems) so don’t blame them for being contradictory in polls.