John Edwards, Ed Schultz and Eric Bolling in Hall of Shame
I’d like to propose three items to include in the file labeled “Wrong is wrong,” and you have to pay the consequences.
First, from the WSJ:
“WASHINGTON — Justice Department prosecutors and lawyers for former Sen. John Edwards are in last-ditch plea agreement talks that could avert felony charges over alleged campaign-finance violations, people familiar with the matter said.
If the talks fail Wednesday, Justice Department prosecutors are expected to seek a grand-jury indictment against Mr. Edwards, these people say….
Prosecutors have been examining whether donors to various political entities affiliated with Mr. Edwards funneled money to a woman with whom Mr. Edwards had an extramarital affair and with whom he fathered a child, these people said. More than $1 million was allegedly paid to the mistress and to an Edwards aide who Mr. Edwards initially said was the child’s father. The money was allegedly aimed at keeping the affair quiet and avoiding problems for Mr. Edwards’s 2008 campaign.”
Edwards has been trying to squirm and wriggle his way out of accountability for this lurid mess for several years now. The gig’s up, dude. Time to face the music, although whatever the law hands out in penalties can’t fully square accounts.
And in less important but still notable matters, MSNBC host Ed Schultz and Fox Business News host Eric Bolling are both in hot water — and deservedly so — for their rhetorical excesses. In a rant on his radio show, Schultz called conservative talk-radio host Laura Ingraham a “right-wing slut” and a “talk-show slut.” On Twitter, Bolling condemned President Obama for being in Ireland “chugging 40s” instead of returning home to deal with the tragedy in Joplin. (Bolling is also the genius who accused Obama of spending $200 million a day on his trip to India, telling people that he wasn’t making up that fact because he found it on the Internet.)
I don’t know what’s going to happen to either man, and in a larger sense it almost doesn’t matter. What matters is that we live in a culture where there is a market for such viciousness.
– Jay Bookman
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josef nix
May 25th, 2011
8:03 pm
Kayaker…
I didn’t miss that…that’s what I was saying…the 67 borders thingie has been pretty much the policy for several decades…all Obama did was state it clearly…
Now, as for Bibi and the survival of Israel…I readily confess to being whapped by an overdose of what Granddaddy called “the Hebrew Tarzan syndrome” and Bibi having a certain appeal…but that is an emotional response and not entirely rational…and as I said, Bibi and Barack are pretty much on the same page…
My jury is still out on a lot of this…Obama’s legitimate rapprochement with the Muslim-Arab world is not at odds with an unwavering support of Israel’s right to exist…it’s a sticky wicket and fraught with unintended consequences…
Is he up to it? We’ll see…
wet wiccan
May 25th, 2011
8:04 pm
Josef
OOOOOhh! I just knew it! You can call it “Nuts From the Peanut Gallery”
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 25th, 2011
8:06 pm
Jay, Amen….people who seek the public trust stepping so far over the lines of decency.
Soothsayer
May 25th, 2011
8:06 pm
Senate rejects Ryan budget; vote puts GOP on the spot [MSNBC]
Senate Democrats forced a vote Wednesday on the controversial fiscal plan drafted by House Budget chief Paul Ryan, splitting the Republican caucus and forcing several vulnerable GOP senators who are up for re-election to go on the record supporting or opposing sweeping changes to the nation’s Medicare system.
Moderate Republican Sens. Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine were joined by Sen. Scott Brown of Massachusetts and Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska in breaking with Republican leaders to oppose the Ryan plan.
Snowe and Brown are up for re-election in 2012.
Snowe and Brown are up for re-election in 2012. Imagine that!
stands for decibels
May 25th, 2011
8:08 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87b4a4a2wmY
…is what comes to mind when I hear the phrase “new world order”
(not that I especially want it to, it just does.)
Mary Elizabeth
May 25th, 2011
8:09 pm
President Obama did not use the word, “New World Order” in his speech today or at all as far as I recall. That is a fundamentalist Christian terminology and it generates fear. Please view the speech without preconceived ideas about “New World Order, ” which religious groups are perpetuating.
And, Dave R, the Great Recession happened on Bush’s watch; we are now slowly recovering from it under Obama’s watch.
Soothsayer
May 25th, 2011
8:10 pm
Democrats see Medicare as winning issue for 2012 election
The Democratic message that House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan’s plan to convert the popular health insurance program for seniors into a voucher system “would end Medicare as we know it” helped Democrat Kathy Hochul win a special election Tuesday night in a GOP House district in western New York.
“When it comes to defending Medicare for seniors instead of giving big tax cuts to oil companies, we will fight for Medicare anywhere,” Israel, D-N.Y., said in an interview with USA TODAY. “The fact is if we can win in one of most conservative Republican districts in America, then we can win in many other places.”
GET READY REPUGS! THE END IS NIGH! What a wonderful gift you have given us! Not just a wonderful gift but a gift that keeps on giving day after day! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank Eddie Munster!
josef nix
May 25th, 2011
8:11 pm
Mighty Righty
@ 7:59
“George Soros is the current pusher. George controls just about all of the media, NBC,ABC,CBS,CNN,MSnbc,N.Y. Times, Washington Post, etc. He controls the Democrat Party and most of the Unions. He controls Barack Obama.”
And THERE’s the Soros card…
What IS it with Soros that so gets some in a state? He’s as crooked as a West Virginia highway, true, but its the same game as plenty of others…it’s just he shows the left can do it as well as the right…
Hillbilly Deluxe
May 25th, 2011
8:12 pm
Didn’t see the speech so I don’t know what Obama said but Bush I, used the term “New World Order”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g
jm
May 25th, 2011
8:13 pm
Jay, you might add this.
RIP, Mark Haines of CNBC. He was a great business news reporter.
RW-(the original)
May 25th, 2011
8:15 pm
Dusty,
It was worse than that, it was Massachusetts. Am I still forgiven?
Brosephus
May 25th, 2011
8:15 pm
dB
When I hear New World Order, my mind goes back to WCW Wrestling with Hogan, Hall, Nash, Steiner, and the rest of the nWo. Always been a wrasslin’ watcher. It’s my vice.
wet wiccan
May 25th, 2011
8:15 pm
Mary Elizabeth
I wish I had your optimism. When I think about what the future will probably be, I think it will be more like the movie “Blade Runner” or “Johnny Pneumonic” and hope I am dead and gone by then.
Dave R.
May 25th, 2011
8:16 pm
Mary Elizabeth, people have consciousness, not countries or worlds.
Anything else is psycho-babble clap-trap.
And there is no greater force than a free individual, acting on his or her own accord.
Dave R.
May 25th, 2011
8:16 pm
“And, Dave R, the Great Recession happened on Bush’s watch; we are now slowly recovering from it under Obama’s watch.”
Actually, the Great Recession happened due to over 30 years of collective liberal policies finally coming home to roost, Mary Elizabeth, but don’t let reality get in your way of thinking.
And if what is happening is considered “recovery” then the patient isn’t even off life support because the “doctors” don’t know what they are doing.
josef nix
May 25th, 2011
8:16 pm
wiccan
Not a bad title…and, well, “Welcome to the Monkey House” was already taken!
And for the record, when I heard New World Order being used, a chill ran up my spine…and then when it caught on, well…it’s scarey if for no other reason than the popular culture seems to have forgotten what that term signifies…
TaxPayer
May 25th, 2011
8:18 pm
Moments after preaching extreme self-reliance to one of his constituents, a Georgia Republican told a gathering in his district that he will continue to rely on government-subsidized health care “because it’s free.”
Typical Republican.
josef nix
May 25th, 2011
8:21 pm
wiccan, mary elizabeth
The future?
A Cherokee grandfather was teaching his grandson about life…
“A fight is going on inside me,” he said to the boy.
“It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves.
“One is evil – he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, self-doubt, and ego.
“The other is good – he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith.
“This same fight is going on inside you – and inside every other person, too.”
The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather,
“Which wolf will win?”
The grandfather replied,
“The one you feed”
Don't Forget
May 25th, 2011
8:22 pm
“The one you feed”
Why can’t the lazy wolves feed themselves? lol
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 25th, 2011
8:23 pm
Moments when teleprompters just don’t work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNRXGRFJdDY
Dave R.
May 25th, 2011
8:23 pm
RW, where in Massachusetts? Me? Born and raised in Tewksbury.
Mary Elizabeth
May 25th, 2011
8:23 pm
Dave R @ 8:16
Dave, individual people do have consciousness, as well as nations and the world. Read any of the works of Carl Jung and you will come to see that that is true. He and and his mentor, Sigmund Freud, opened up ways of viewing the mind and consciousness that people had never known before. They both world famous, well-respected thinkers and psychiatrists – hardly “psycho-babble clap-trap.”
Dave R.
May 25th, 2011
8:23 pm
josef, I kinda like Bibi.
Heard a quote from him yesterday when going over potential discussions with Hamas and their inability to recognize Israel’s right to exist. He said: “What are we going to discuss with them, the method of our immolation?”
Blunt, but given their history . . . .
Disgusted
May 25th, 2011
8:24 pm
I seem to recall some extremely tasteless nude pictures of Dr. Laura not too long ago. They were all over the Internet, and it is apparent they weren’t the product of some super-spy with a camera. The deliberate posing for such pictures would strike me as qualifying for the application of Ed’s epithet.
Dusty
May 25th, 2011
8:24 pm
RW…MASSACHUSETTS!!!!
Well, since I went to Boston University for awhile and everybody was real nice (I like your Southern accent!) even though they tried to feed me some awful stuff called Indian pudding, I call you an aristocrat of another kind. All is forgiven. BUT watch that California ice tea. There are limits, you know..
Mighy Righty
May 25th, 2011
8:25 pm
josef nix
May 25th, 2011
8:11 pm
Mighty Righty
@ 7:59
“George Soros is the current pusher. George controls just about all of the media, NBC,ABC,CBS,CNN,MSnbc,N.Y. Times, Washington Post, etc. He controls the Democrat Party and most of the Unions. He controls Barack Obama.”
And THERE’s the Soros card…
What IS it with Soros that so gets some in a state? He’s as crooked as a West Virginia highway, true, but its the same game as plenty of others…it’s just he shows the left can do it as well as the right…
Study old George. He is dangerous. He even scared NPR recently. They were conveninced he was trying to influence their programs.
Jay
May 25th, 2011
8:26 pm
I was born in Bourne, Mass.
Which on several occasions has inspired a true-life Abbott and Costello routine.
“Where were you born?”
“Bourne …”
“Yes, born. Where were you born?”
“Bourne …”
“Yes, born!”
“Well if you’d shut up a minute, I could tell you! I was born in Bourne, Massachusetts.”
“Oh.”
Mary Elizabeth
May 25th, 2011
8:26 pm
Dave R,
Your 8:16 is simply opinion; there are other points of view on what caused the economic crash of 2009.
Soothsayer
May 25th, 2011
8:26 pm
It’s amazing, really! The Republican momentum coming out of the 2010 elections is simply vanishing right before their eyes! As I have said many, many times before, the Republicans mistook the backlash from Obama’s Healthcare Reform Bill as a mandate for their entire kooky agenda.
Well, now the chickens are coming home to roost. Let’s eliminate unions for public workers! Let’s eliminate Medicare! After all, that’s what the Kochs (kooks) want isn’t it?
Imagine the insurance company profits with all those “high risk” seniors on the books! Why, it simply boggles the mind! Imagine the executive salaries with all those hapless seniors on board!
Forget about “living” wages and retirement for public workers. Heck, they can live in mobile homes!
The whole putrid, septic logic is now coming to a head! It’s time to excise the Republican boil that festers on the buttocks of America! Imagine what we can accomplish as a country without endless wars, corporate control of our government and a government of the people, for the people and by the people instead of the government we now have which answers only to their corporate masters.
DAMN! That felt good!
RW-(the original)
May 25th, 2011
8:27 pm
Dave R,
Brockton, but I escaped to Florida when I was 3. Married a girl from Pittsfield 13 years ago though. The weird thing is we met in Georgia.
Dave R.
May 25th, 2011
8:27 pm
Dusty, Indian Pudding is the Yankee version of grits!
And just as disgusting, IMHO.
josef nix
May 25th, 2011
8:28 pm
Righty
I HAVE studied the life of Soros….
Hillbilly Deluxe
May 25th, 2011
8:28 pm
What’s the difference in the Kochs and Soros? None that I can see. They’re playing the same game they’re just on different teams.
Time to take my leave. Nite all.
getalife
May 25th, 2011
8:29 pm
I have 40 more that voted to go in the hall of shame.
“WASHINGTON — Senate Democrats wasted no time capitalizing on Tuesday’s Medicare-fueled upset in a New York special election, holding a vote on the GOP budget plan Wednesday designed to put Republicans on record backing the controversial House budget plan.
The measure failed, 57 to 40, with five Republicans breaking ranks: Sens. Scott Brown of Massachusetts, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Rand Paul of Kentucky”AOL
Shame on the gop.
Keep yelling at them.
Dave R.
May 25th, 2011
8:33 pm
“Your 8:16 is simply opinion; there are other points of view on what caused the economic crash of 2009.”
But as I’ve noted before, Mary Elizabeth, my opinion is so close to reality that there is literally no discernible difference.
jm
May 25th, 2011
8:33 pm
suuuuuuucks to be John Edwards.
Glad he’s getting his due. Can reporters get a clue?
Mark Haines was a guy who reported and questioned every CEO and Wall St guy as hard as it comes. He was always keeping an eye out for the small investor and beat guys up about corruption constantly, whether they were Congressman or CEO’s.
You have to despair about the quality of journalism these days. RIP Tony Snow, Louis Rukeyser as well. Argh.
Dave R.
May 25th, 2011
8:34 pm
Jay @ 8:26
josef nix
May 25th, 2011
8:34 pm
DAVE
Moshe Dayan once said, “if peace in the Middle East is dependent on the obliteration of Israel, what stake do we have in such a peace?”
Disgusted
“…seem to recall some extremely tasteless nude pictures of Dr. Laura”
Tasteless nude pictures? Dr. Laura…?
There’s something redundant there….
jm
May 25th, 2011
8:36 pm
getalife – keep up the mediscaring and we’ll have a good bankrupt country. way to go.
looks like a few abstentions as well
Mary Elizabeth
May 25th, 2011
8:37 pm
josef @ 8:21
josef, I had heard that story before. So true. That is why I believe when we “feed” incivililty and harshness toward one another, that is the kind of world we are creating by first creating it within ourselves.
I mentioned this afternoon on the blog that Oprah Winfrey, whom I hardly ever watch but did today as it was her last broadcast, spoke of how we each emanate an energy that is communicated from us into the world. We must first choose – and I would say know – our better angels before the world’s better “angel” will emerge. And this is not found by following rules of religious dogma; it is found by knowing oneself – good wolf and bad – and not judging harshly – just knowing.
(And as you all know very well I am sure, I definitely have a “bad” wolf, inside me, as well as a “good” one! But the good Lord has not given up on me yet!)
Dave R.
May 25th, 2011
8:37 pm
“Read any of the works of Carl Jung and you will come to see that that is true. He and and his mentor, Sigmund Freud, opened up ways of viewing the mind and consciousness that people had never known before.”
Much of which is inferred, Mary Elizabeth. Little science and much belief. Kinda like religion.
josef nix
May 25th, 2011
8:38 pm
Don’t Forget
“Why can’t the lazy wolves feed themselves? lol”
getalife
May 25th, 2011
8:38 pm
jm,
It will be over after all the dem ads and the 12 election.
Chin up con.
josef nix
May 25th, 2011
8:38 pm
DAVE
There’s a lot of science in religion, and a lot of religion in science…Maimonides, d*mmit! He settled that question 700 years ago!
stands for decibels
May 25th, 2011
8:39 pm
They were all over the Internet, and it is apparent they weren’t the product of some super-spy with a camera. The deliberate posing for such pictures would strike me as qualifying for the application of Ed’s epithet.
1) no, they wouldn’t; and in any case, the posting of those photos was anything but “deliberate” on Laura’s part.
also;
2) you’re thinking of the wrong radio Laura.
pandora
May 25th, 2011
8:39 pm
I would lump Jay’s idiotic comment last week that (white) Herman Cain supporters only support him so The Right can have their black guy too. That was lower than alligator squeeze – even for Bookman.
Now maybe if we can get the main stream liberal DNC media to stop slobbering over O’Bama – like their horror shown when Netanyahu had to “school” O’Bama on the Israeli’s situation in the region (THAT was priceless). Of course that will happen right after we see CNN report about Pelosiland and all those Obamacare wavers in her district.
Besides, at least the Bush crew were bright enough to know where a presidential limo could – and couldn’t – drive without getting stuck. And did The Queen give back that idiotic gift of CD’s and make any comments about enjoying the bust of Churchill that O’Bama threw back at them? Inquiring minds want to know. But that’s why we have a successful new media, of which the O’Bama administration has set up a new Goon Squad (at taxpayer expense) to attempt to intimidate and silence. Here’s to a fun 16 and a half months!
Logic 05
May 25th, 2011
8:42 pm
and Jay and make it four in the Hall of Shame…
Nomobama
May 25th, 2011
8:42 pm
I was expecting…Bookman, Tucker and Barr…oh well…
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 25th, 2011
8:42 pm
I thought Ed Schultz was smacked ass. I have to admit that I only watched him once in a Portland, Oregon motel room last year on vacation but his rants were way over the top.
TaxPayer
May 25th, 2011
8:44 pm
We know the true meaning of the latest Republiterm, “mediscare”. It’s Ryan’s attempt at diversion now that his yellowbrick roadmap has been revealed and people see that he wants to take money used to fund medicare and medicaid and food stamps and give it to the wealthiest in the form of yet another tax cut while also continuing to run up the national debt at the same time. We got your Mediscare.
jm
May 25th, 2011
8:45 pm
getalife – I’m not worried about the Presidential election. You might see an entire Republican Congress and a Republican President again, Obama’s gone too far.
BTW, you folks who love the idea of single payer. Go sign up for Medicaid if you qualify. Its single payer. Have fun.
Dave R.
May 25th, 2011
8:45 pm
For Jay and other Red Sox fans:
“Daisuke Matsuzaka is back in Japan, and if Boston Red Sox brass were slipped a dose of truth serum, they’d love for him never to return.”
TESTIFY!
AmVet
May 25th, 2011
8:47 pm
Born in Bourne, huh Jay?
I can’t think of anything that rhymes with Wichita.
And by the time I was 17 I figured out that the Midwest was a great place to be from.
FAR from!
Could be worse, I guess. I could have spent more than a week of my life in Massachusetts!
As we were waxing slightly metaphysical earlier…
“Phases and stages, circles and cycles, scenes that we’ve all seen before …” – Willie Nelson
“What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.” (Ecclesiastes 1:9-14)
“There is nothing new except what has been forgotten.” – Marie Antoinette
Soothsayer
May 25th, 2011
8:47 pm
“We know the true meaning of the latest Republiterm, “mediscare”. It’s Ryan’s attempt at diversion now that his yellowbrick roadmap has been revealed and people see that he wants to take money used to fund medicare and medicaid and food stamps and give it to the wealthiest in the form of yet another tax cut while also continuing to run up the national debt at the same time. We got your Mediscare.”
Well said, Taxpayer!
Mary Elizabeth
May 25th, 2011
8:48 pm
Dave, once you read and digest the work of Jung, then you will see how valid his work is. In fact, when an interviewer asks him about his thoughts on religion and the afterlife, Jung speaks of the fact that he does not think in terms of “belief,” but in terms of what he “knows and experiences” to be true. (You can see that interview on YouTube.)
You are stating gross generalities of what you assume to be true regarding Jung’s work. Better to read and study his work; then, you will not make such sweeping statements regarding his work. And Dave, science is only one discipline of knowledge. There are worlds of which you know not – but exist nevertheless. That is why we need to validate all disciplines, not just one. We limit ourselves so, when we do that. It would be (as a simile) like saying we should have on a Left Brain or a Right Brain, instead of both.
Dusty
May 25th, 2011
8:50 pm
NEW WORLD ORDER..new world order!!! Was that the German’s or the hippies or those in rapture??
What a crock! I don’t want a new world order. I just want the old world we ‘ve got to get in order. Since we are in the best place in the world already, I suggest we “straighten up and fly right” and appreciate what we have.
The rest of the world knows our history. I don’t care to change that into some nebulous notion of new neausous nonsense.
We cannot be the world’s mother. We can only assist them if possible in their own reach. Iraq! We are trying with Afghanistan!! The Middle East is turning over its own world. They struggle. We stand like a golden goal post already won for equality. Those without freedom wish to reach a similar goal..
New world order! Indeed! How about working on the old one before you order a new one?
AmVet
May 25th, 2011
8:52 pm
Dave, I saw that.
Too bad he didn’t take Lackey, Lester, Buchholz and Beckett with him!
Soothsayer
May 25th, 2011
8:53 pm
Bush: Surplus Justifies Tax Cut
(AP) President Bush said Saturday that the most important number in the budget he sends to Congress next week is the $5.6 trillion surplus it projects over the next 10 years.
That huge projected surplus provides the underpinning of all the administration’s tax-cut and spending plans, Mr. Bush said in his recorded weekly radio address.
“A surplus in tax revenue, after all, means that taxpayers have been overcharged,” the president said. “And usually when you’ve been overcharged, you expect to get something back.” The surplus figure “counts more than any other” in the budget, he said.
Just in case anyone ever forgets.
Mick
May 25th, 2011
8:53 pm
jm
I see the republican party imploding and the tea party going out with the tide. It’s not that the dems are so great, it’s more like the repubs are just so bad – they cannot be trusted to govern for the people, that perception is building…
Dave R.
May 25th, 2011
8:53 pm
AmVet, he can have Lackey as far as I’m concerned. Wakefield’s a better pitcher as far as I’m concerned.
Soothsayer
May 25th, 2011
8:58 pm
And, let us not forget this chart
Just a reminder for those who want to blame Obama.
Mighy Righty
May 25th, 2011
8:59 pm
Soothsayer
May 25th, 2011
8:26 pm
It’s amazing, really! The Republican momentum coming out of the 2010 elections is simply vanishing right before their eyes! As I have said many, many times before, the Republicans mistook the backlash from Obama’s Healthcare Reform Bill as a mandate for their entire kooky agenda.
Well, now the chickens are coming home to roost. Let’s eliminate unions for public workers! Let’s eliminate Medicare! After all, that’s what the Kochs (kooks) want isn’t it?
Imagine the insurance company profits with all those “high risk” seniors on the books! Why, it simply boggles the mind! Imagine the executive salaries with all those hapless seniors on board!
Forget about “living” wages and retirement for public workers. Heck, they can live in mobile homes!
The whole putrid, septic logic is now coming to a head! It’s time to excise the Republican boil that festers on the buttocks of America! Imagine what we can accomplish as a country without endless wars, corporate control of our government and a government of the people, for the people and by the people instead of the government we now have which answers only to their corporate masters.
DAMN! That felt good
How do you explain tis poll taken today?
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 25% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Thirty-five percent (35%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -10 (see trends).
The president holds a 45% to 44% edge over a Generic Republican in an early look at 2012. Republicans hold a two-point advantage over Democrats on the Generic Congressional Ballot.
That felt pretty good as well.
Kamchak
May 25th, 2011
8:59 pm
Your 8:16 is simply opinion; there are other points of view on what caused the economic crash of 2009.
Not the least of which is that supply-side, trickle-on alchemy was born with an expiration date.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 25th, 2011
9:00 pm
Just in case anyone ever forgets.
Well, this Soothsayer must of misremembered what My President said. Anyhow, it sure sounded good when he was promising us a Tax Cut. It made alot of sense that if you give up about a third your income, your income will get bigger. I just let the experts tell me what I wanted to hear. It wasn’t my fault.
Dave R.
May 25th, 2011
9:00 pm
“In fact, when an interviewer asks him about his thoughts on religion and the afterlife, Jung speaks of the fact that he does not think in terms of “belief,” but in terms of what he “knows and experiences” to be true.”
Mary Elizabeth, science is that which can be proven true repetitively and without interpretation.
Someone speaking of “what he “knows and experiences” to be true”, is not science.
Soothsayer
May 25th, 2011
9:01 pm
That any Republican presents himself on this blog presuming to have the “answers” is beyond ludicrous. I never cease to be amazed at the bald-faced gall of the Republicans/Right on this blog as if somehow they have the “answers.” Heck, they caused all the problems in the first place.
WAKE UP AMERICA! It’s time for the fockees to revolt against the fockors.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 25th, 2011
9:02 pm
Interesting that Obummer and the Democrats are taking 500 Billion out of Medicare while they demagogue the Ryan plan with no plan of their own to save Medicare for future generations. The party of irresponsibility sure sucks in some fools as evidenced on this blog.
getalife
May 25th, 2011
9:03 pm
jm,
This gop house is the worst ever.
You vote for failure and tried to steal Medicare like you tried to steal ss.
Pitiful.
Soothsayer
May 25th, 2011
9:05 pm
“Well, this Soothsayer must of misremembered what My President said. “
No, Redneck, we all “misunderestimated” his ability to destroy our country for the benefit of corporate America.
Disgusted
May 25th, 2011
9:06 pm
Interesting that Obummer and the Democrats are taking 500 Billion out of Medicare while they demagogue the Ryan plan with no plan of their own to save Medicare for future generations.
They’re taking $500 billion from Medicare Advantage, the super-luxury Medicare plan offered by private insurance companies. Why should I pay to fund Medicare benefits that regular Medicare subscribers don’t have? Why should my Medicare contributions go to wealthy subscribers who can afford to kick in an extra 20 bucks a month so that they can have the Mercedes Benz of all Medicare plans? Hell with those spoiled, wealthy people. Let them have the same Medicare the rest of us will have.
But keep your talking point, Recon. You reveal a bit of Himmler in your argument, much like those who argue that Obama’s failure to close Gitmo was a broken promise, even though it was the Republicans who blocked the closure in Congress.
Dave R.
May 25th, 2011
9:06 pm
Yeah, Sooth, ’cause the Democrats have such a great plan to attack our deficits and debt.
Why, I can put my hand on it right here . . . wait, I know it was somewhere . . . around here. . . if I could just find it . . . .
Oh, well, I’m sure I’ll be able to put my fingers on it soon enough. After all, it does exist . . .
. . . doesn’t it?
buck@gon
May 25th, 2011
9:07 pm
From National Review:
“The Senate just finished voting on the Paul Ryan/House Republican budget resolution, as well as the budget put forward by President Obama in February. Both, as expected, were voted down, but only Ryan’s received any votes.
Indeed, the Obama budget failed by the astounding final count of 0 to 97. Not even Bernie Sanders (S., Vt.) could bring himself to support the president’s plan, begging the question, as one observer in the Senate gallery put it: “Are Democrats actually for anything?”
The Ryan budget, on the other hand, was voted down 40 to 57, with five Republicans — Sens. Brown, Collins, Murkowski, Paul and Snowe — voting ‘no,’ along with every Democrat.”
So, when it comes down to the serious work of passing a budget, the Democrats won’t cooperate. In supporting their party’s own leader’s budget they can’t even be bothered to vote PRESENT as Obama himself did so many times before he was selected as this amazing story he has become. What the Democrats did vote on his budget was a resounding NO!
Obama is just not a serious actor on the national stage anymore, much less the world stage. When the cameras are turned off (and perhaps for this reason they have turned away), serious people reject him and his ill-considered policies.
Soothsayer
May 25th, 2011
9:07 pm
Well, Jay done turned on the “post-o-meter” before he left. Heck, I thought Jay got paid by the number of posts! I’ll try not to post “too quickly.”
Thulsa Doom
May 25th, 2011
9:07 pm
Jay
May 25th, 2011
6:59 pm
Thulsa, I’d suspect it fell afoul of the no-new-taxes-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever-ever crowd.
Jay,
Didn’t the Dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems dems
control Congress in 2009???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
buck@gon
May 25th, 2011
9:07 pm
That is to say, Democrat would MUCH rather belittle serious Republican efforts than create. It has indeed been over two years since Democrats have passed a budget. They didn’t pass one last year because of the election.
The Presidential election is coming.
Look for the media and in this here blog in particular, to blame Republicans for any and all failure of a budget to be passed. If Democrat culpability can not be denied, then look for the Bookman media to blame BOTH Republicans and Democrats, and then to complain about how VICIOUS things are, and how that is just so very very sad.
Mary Elizabeth
May 25th, 2011
9:10 pm
Dave R @ 9:00
Dave, you are trying to give me a “sound bite” view of the work of Carl Jung, a man whose work you have, no doubt, never read. How futile. Why don’t you simply read his work and learn from a great mind. I am not trying to “win” a silly debate here with you this evening. You must see that.
Soothsayer
May 25th, 2011
9:11 pm
“Yeah, Sooth, ’cause the Democrats have such a great plan to attack our deficits and debt.”
I guess that’s the previous President left office with a quarter of a billion dollar surplus that was growing year by year.
In fact the Democrats do have a plan to reduce the deficits. It’s called letting the Bush tax cuts expire. However, they have been thwarted by being held hostage over the extension of unemployment benefits for people whose jobs have been shipped to China.
jm
May 25th, 2011
9:12 pm
getalife 9:03 – worse than the Democrat dominated House and Senate that didn’t pass a budget? I think not.
Worse than the current Democrat Senate that has the lowest legislative volume in decades? I think not.
Mighy Righty
May 25th, 2011
9:12 pm
See my 8:59
25% approval for the Bamster! WOW, TWENTY FIVE PERCENT APPROVAL. Was Bush ever that low? This is before the bafoon bumbled around the Queen in front of the entire world! Twenty five percent. You know a large percent of the 25 percent are illiterate. lt may be single digit approval among people who can read. My oh MY! Only 25%.
Dusty
May 25th, 2011
9:12 pm
RW,,,Indian pudding the same as grits? Awwww they told me it was dessert! Poor Indians.
Well, I wish the Braves were playing tonight (Did I tell you Conrad homered in the 11th?) or Masterpiece Theater was playing a nice Jane Austen story. Getting kinda slow around here again.. Busy day tomorrow…
Goodnite…
josef nix
May 25th, 2011
9:12 pm
DAVE
“Someone speaking of “what he “knows and experiences” to be true”, is not science.”
I beg to differ. The lexical entry “science” is from the present participle of the Latin verb “scire” meaning to “know” as inherent from the nature of the “thing” being observed, and, as the present participle, implies an ongoing process. The “experience,” is what goes beyond that which may be observed from the five senses. The “truth,” if there be such a thing, is the two in cosmic ohm…since both are mutuable, so is “truth…”
“When science and scripture appear in conflict, then the scripture (excepting the Torah for Jews) is to be taken as allegorical…” –Maimonides….
buck@gon
May 25th, 2011
9:12 pm
Mary Elizabeth @ 8:48pm
“And Dave, science is only one discipline of knowledge.”
I’m curious Mary Elizabeth. I don’t mean to intrude….
But….
I wonder. What is science to you, the etymology of the word, what you think of science as a field vs. say other disciplines of knowledge? What would you consider other disciplines of knowledge? Would be interested in what anyone else thinks on this…..
Thanks,
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 25th, 2011
9:13 pm
Disgusted, why of course you can go along with the duped and buy a supplemental plan from the AARP. I don’t think you really know much about. Talk about talking points, they sure sucked you in.
buck@gon
May 25th, 2011
9:13 pm
Add another just now,
What did he say?
josef nix
May 25th, 2011
9:13 pm
Mary Elizabeth…
Oh, I daresay Dave has read Jung…
Dave R.
May 25th, 2011
9:14 pm
“I am not trying to “win” a silly debate here with you this evening. You must see that.”
I always see that, Mary Elizabeth. Your trying to do that which cannot be done would be an exercise in futility on your part.
Shows a maturity I did not think you possessed.
And I have read Jung and Freud. Not a great deal, because I tire easily of clap-trap.
Add another Blunderer Mr. Bookman --
May 25th, 2011
9:15 pm
That toast made by Mr. Obama to the Queen of England last night was the height of idiocy.
Soothsayer
May 25th, 2011
9:15 pm
Well, it’s time to leave to begin my “elbow exercises.” But I will leave you with this.
Goodnight everyone!
jm
May 25th, 2011
9:17 pm
If I may take a spare moment to chastise some of the Republican commentators. I heard a couple bemoaning the infringement on liberties by the Obama administration.
Excuse me? Where were these guys during Bush? While I agree that what Obama is doing is horrible, they should take a little extra time and chastise Bush for what he did that has infringed on a lot of rights (privacy and otherwise).
Obama is drunk again ----
May 25th, 2011
9:17 pm
“Michelle… I’m OK to drive.” — Get that limo stuck on the hill….. LMFAO !!
Dave R.
May 25th, 2011
9:17 pm
“In fact the Democrats do have a plan to reduce the deficits. It’s called letting the Bush tax cuts expire.”
But that won’t reduce the debt, Sooth, nor will it make any appreciable dent in the deficit. Mathematics is your friend.
Your Dems didn’t even give their President’s budget a single, solitary vote in the Senate, Sooth!
USMC dawg
May 25th, 2011
9:18 pm
“This gop house is the worst ever.”
The Nancy Pelosi/DEMOCRAT led House of Representatives didn’t even pass a budget last year…
Dave R.
May 25th, 2011
9:19 pm
“When science and scripture appear in conflict, then the scripture (excepting the Torah for Jews) is to be taken as allegorical…” –Maimonides….
josef, I think our definition of “science” has evolved since that time, especially given advances over the past 20 or 30 years. While I do not believe in a higher power, neither do I disbelieve in one until either one can be proven to me.
It may trouble some on this blog to read this, but I have little faith in “faith”.
Thulsa Doom
May 25th, 2011
9:20 pm
Sometimes a person’s ignorance on a topic is of such a profound nature that I literally laugh until my ribs hurt. Disgusted has provided me with one of those such moments.
Let me help you out there disgusted. The main beneficiaries of Medicare Advantage plans are poor and middle class seniors. They are good plans but are hardly “cadillac” plans. I know because Medicare Advantage and Medicare Supplement plans are how I and my agents make a living.
Medicare Supplement plans are in fact the “cadillac plans” which are what the upper middle class and wealthier individuals tend to purchase- this is private insurance that the poorer and lower middle class people can’t afford. I always thought it was the poor and middle class people that the Dems purported to look out for.
“Super Luxury” medicare advantage plans? That is tooooooo funny. I can’t wait to tell my agents about your blog post.
Disgusted
May 25th, 2011
9:06 pm
Interesting that Obummer and the Democrats are taking 500 Billion out of Medicare while they demagogue the Ryan plan with no plan of their own to save Medicare for future generations.
They’re taking $500 billion from Medicare Advantage, the super-luxury Medicare plan offered by private insurance companies. Why should I pay to fund Medicare benefits that regular Medicare subscribers don’t have? Why should my Medicare contributions go to wealthy subscribers who can afford to kick in an extra 20 bucks a month so that they can have the Mercedes Benz of all Medicare plans? Hell with those spoiled, wealthy people. Let them have the same Medicare the rest of us will have.
But keep your talking point, Recon.
Dusty
May 25th, 2011
9:21 pm
Ha! Science….I’ll bet my microscope against your “vision” any day. I see . You dream. The two should not be confused.
I’ll go sleep on that .
Soothsayer
May 25th, 2011
9:22 pm
Dave @ 9:17 please see chart @ 8:58. Goodnight.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 25th, 2011
9:22 pm
Well jay’s bolsheviks are on the blog this evening chirping the party line. Kind of boring so I’ll wish y’all a good evening. Taps.
jm
May 25th, 2011
9:23 pm
She really does evoke Marie Antoinette
http://www.politico.com/click/stories/1105/flotus_brings_bling_to_london.html
Thulsa Doom
May 25th, 2011
9:24 pm
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 25th, 2011
9:13 pm
Disgusted, why of course you can go along with the duped and buy a supplemental plan from the AARP. I don’t think you really know much about. Talk about talking points, they sure sucked you in.
Recon,
Its clear to me you know more about Medicare than the foolish one named disgusted. But allow me to handle this one since he has given me such a good laugh.
Mighy Righty
May 25th, 2011
9:24 pm
jm
May 25th, 2011
9:17 pm
If I may take a spare moment to chastise some of the Republican commentators. I heard a couple bemoaning the infringement on liberties by the Obama administration.
Excuse me? Where were these guys during Bush? While I agree that what Obama is doing is horrible, they should take a little extra time and chastise Bush for what he did that has infringed on a lot of rights (privacy and otherwise).
Please explain. Names, places, details. For example; Black thugs in Philadelphia at polling place carrying clubs threatening voters. In spite of video evidence charges dropped by Obama AG Holder! Or how about S.E.I.U. thugs beating a man in St. Louis. Again in spite of video tape, no charges.