Herman Cain doesn’t take the presidency seriously
Did I mention that Herman Cain is not a legitimate candidate for president?
Last week, you may recall, Cain refused to reveal what his policy would be toward Afghanistan. We’ve been fighting there for almost a decade; more than 100,000 American soldiers are putting their lives on the line as we sit here, and Cain, a man who criticizes President Obama for not having a clear foreign policy, says he doesn’t want to “shoot from the lip” by suggesting what course this country should take next.
He says that once elected, he would talk to the experts and generals and come up with a plan about what to do. As I noted at the time, it’s the kind of answer Miss South Carolina might give in the beauty pageant Q&A. In fact, such a lack of preparation is downright disrespectful. Cain is offering himself as a potential commander in chief and asking people to take him seriously, yet the issue of American troops fighting and dying in a far-off land for almost a decade simply hasn’t been important enough to him to justify study and thought.
And then there’s this:
In his announcement speech Saturday, Cain accused President Obama of “throwing Israel under the bus.” On Sunday, Fox News put Cain on the air, sitting him down for an interview with Chris Wallace:
Cain has clearly never encountered the term “right of return,” a phrase familiar to anyone who has done even 20 minutes of research into the Middle East conundrum. He does not know that the Palestinian claim of a “right of return,” if implemented, would mean hundreds of thousands if not millions of Palestinians now living elsewhere would be allowed to return to live in what is now the heart of Israel. He proudly claims that he would offer the Palestinians nothing, yet in saying that the right of return is something to be negotiated, he offers them everything, right down to the destruction of Israel. Yet in that ignorance, he feels qualified to assert what he calls “the Cain doctrine” regarding the Middle East.
I’m sorry. You forfeit any claim as a legitimate candidate if you do not even know what the term “right of return” means. As with the Afghanistan issue, it reflects not merely a lack of knowledge, but even worse, a basic lack of interest and respect for the high office that he seeks and for the voters who support him.
Cain talks a lot about his business career. Well, any job candidate who walked into an interview as proudly ill-prepared as Cain would be bounced out the door immediately.
– Jay Bookman
UPDATE: Cain has issued the following “clarification”:
“Stockbridge, GA)- In an interview this morning on FOX News Sunday with Christopher Wallace, Herman Cain addressed the issue of “right of return” for the country of Israel. In clarification of these remarks, Mr. Cain released the following statement:
I have long been a vocal and unwavering supporter of our friend and ally, Israel.
All Israeli governments have rejected the “right” of large numbers of Arabs or Palestinians to return to what is now the state of Israel. Such an en masse return would unbalance Israel’s demographic makeup as the world’s sole Jewish state.
In this light, should the “right of return” “be negotiated,” as I said, “if that is a decision that Israel wants to make”? Certainly, and to reiterate, it’s Israel’s call. Israel has a long record of being more gracious to its enemies than its enemies are to it, and this would be yet another example of that. But is the “right of return” a moral imperative? Is it something Israel must grant? Is it something the United States ought to encourage?
The answer is no on every count.
Our policy on Palestinian affairs must be wholly a function of our policy on Israeli affairs. Israel is a friend. Israel is an ally. Israel shares common values with us. Israel shares common interests with us, especially in the eradication of terrorism and the need for bringing peace to the region. As President, I will never lose sight of these basic facts. Any aspirant to the Presidency must have the unshakable US-Israeli alliance at the core of his or her strategic vision in the Middle East.
As your President, I would. “
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Adam
May 23rd, 2011
8:37 am
FIRST YAY
jm
May 23rd, 2011
8:41 am
A. Regarding Daniels, very disappointing he did not get it, but understandable. If your family isn’t with you to run for the presidency, it fundamentally isn’t possible because you’ll destroy your family, and your candidacy in the process.
B. RE Jay’s comment after Daniels about Republicans not thinking BHO is vulnerable. Um, joke. Daniels didn’t get in, seriously, because of his family. There are lots of people chomping at the bit for the obvious reason, Obama is vulnerable.
C. RE Cain. I’m glad he’s in the race, and he adds an additional dimension to the debates. That said, I don’t see myself voting for him….
poison pen
May 23rd, 2011
8:42 am
Obama didn’t know we had 50 states, so I guess he shouldn’t be President either.
Jay, quit listening to Tucker, your blogs are getting dumber each day.
Aquagirl
May 23rd, 2011
8:45 am
jm, 90% of America is not proposing a doctrine named after themselves.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
8:45 am
“You forfeit any claim as a legitimate candidate if you do not even know what the term “right of return” means.”
Debatable. If we’re going to have a litmus test along these kinds of draconian lines, then Obama would never have been elected. This rings along the same lines of: “you can’t work in government if you voted irresponsibly to not raise the debt ceiling.”
jm
May 23rd, 2011
8:46 am
Jay, I saw the whole interview. Yeah, that moment was awkward. But 90% of America probably has no idea what the “right of return” issue is.
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
8:48 am
Jay: Well, any job candidate who walked into an interview as proudly ill-prepared as Cain would be bounced out the door immediately
I disagree Jay, I think they would hear him out, and say “Well thank you for coming in” all smiles and shake hands and when he leaves “well scratch that one off the list…”
Don’t call us, we’ll call you…
Jay
May 23rd, 2011
8:50 am
No doubt true, jm. But those 90 percent aren’t offering themselves as candidates to be president.
Well, with one obvious exception…..
jm
May 23rd, 2011
8:50 am
Aquagirl 8:45 – not a qualified rebuttal.
poison pen
May 23rd, 2011
8:50 am
He says that once elected, he would talk to the experts and generals and come up with a plan about what to do.
Actually, this is the best answer that I have ever heard, it takes a wise man to admit that he doesn’t have all the answers it’s a shame that more politicans can’t admit this. It’s not disrespectful at all.
Jay, maybe he’s not qualified because of the color of his tie, or the pinstripes on his suit are to wide, then again his hair is to short.
Man. you libs are sickening, trash someone for every little thing and then you wonder why people aren’t nice to each other.
poison pen
May 23rd, 2011
8:50 am
I always thought the ” right of return ” was WALMART’S policy.
AmVet
May 23rd, 2011
8:51 am
He looks good. Until he opens his mouth.
And trust me, he is just warming up. I predict that the man is going to say some (more) *extraordinarily* stupid things before this all plays out.
He’s already demonstrated that he is a narrow-minded, stereotyping Islamophobe.
The legacy of being a rabid Republican, radio talking head, who gets paid to entertain the sheep and rouse the rabble.
Regarding Georgia’s Dynamic Duo:
You two are just dumber than a bag of hammers. ~Ulysses Everett McGill
AH
May 23rd, 2011
8:52 am
You can always tell who scares the liberals the most by who they attack. If Cain was such a flawed candidate Jay would be cheering him on.
Jay
May 23rd, 2011
8:52 am
“every little thing” = the most basic of fundamentals about the Middle East.
Michelle Bachmann's Broom
May 23rd, 2011
8:52 am
jm: RE Cain. I’m glad he’s in the race, and he adds an additional dimension to the debates. That said, I don’t see myself voting for him….
At least you’re honest about it.
Yeah, that moment was awkward. But 90% of America probably has no idea what the “right of return” issue is.
the point of contention is, if you’re thinking about running for the highest office in the land, you should know. period. “faking it till you’re making it” just isn’t acceptable anymore — after 8 years of dubya people are just sick and tired of it.
St Simons - we're on Island time
May 23rd, 2011
8:53 am
a Cain/Palin ticket
Right of Return – a pizza refund policy…
I can see Little Ceasars from my house
Now for some fancy pageant walkin
jm
May 23rd, 2011
8:54 am
Jay 8:50 – True. And our current President couldn’t have told anyone what a CDO squared was either, prior to running. Or claim any real world working experience. Or make a claim to any responsible voting practices, ie, voting to raise the debt ceiling when necessary. The “absentee” state legislator from Chicago, while obviously not an idiot, was no better prepared than a guy like Herman Cain, who brings 40 years of real world live and business experience to the table.
Of course, Obama set the bar so low for being President, that I dare say just about everyone is qualified nowadays…..
Whacks Eloquent
May 23rd, 2011
8:55 am
As I said next door in Kyle’s topic, why is it that every candidate has to be a Know-It-All? If you want that, vote for Newt! I respect that Herman can admit when he does not know something, and instead of giving a BS answer goes and researches it, and comes out with what I consider an intelligent conservative position. U.S. Presidents have access to the top advisers in the world, and all POTUSes have issues come up that they don’t have a clue about, yet those advisers help them figure out what to do. Most politicians don’t know as much as they say they do, they just paint their opinion as absolute fact. I commend Herman for not doing that in both the Palestine and Afghanistan issues – it’s more complex at that level than anything we mere mortals will ever see.
Are you implying, Jay, that anything short of going back to college and getting an extra degree in International Affairs is just not good enough? Cause there’s a few history courses our current POTUS could use.
Aquagirl
May 23rd, 2011
8:55 am
jm, is there some secret rebuttal rule you’ve instituted in your head?
Michelle Bachmann's Broom
May 23rd, 2011
8:55 am
poisonpen: He says that once elected, he would talk to the experts and generals and come up with a plan about what to do. Actually, this is the best answer that I have ever heard, it takes a wise man to admit that he doesn’t have all the answers it’s a shame that more politicans can’t admit this. It’s not disrespectful at all.
Exactly what Obama is doing, yet the right attacks him for it. He thinks about his answers, instead of using pre-programmed talking points and he’s ridiculed for being a thinking man. Yet, out of the blue, because of Mr. Cain, the right find these traits admirable. Amazing!
First Sergeant
May 23rd, 2011
8:56 am
jm said:
May 23rd, 2011
8:46 am
Jay, I saw the whole interview. Yeah, that moment was awkward. But 90% of America probably has no idea what the “right of return” issue is.
Yes, but 90% of Americans aren’t running for President either!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
May 23rd, 2011
8:57 am
He says that once elected, he would talk to the experts and generals and come up with a plan about what to do.
But but isn’t that substituting his judgment for that of the military experts…I thought that CIC was to follow the experts and not impost his own thoughts on the plan or some nonsense.
Cain better start reading to Sarah.
Jay
May 23rd, 2011
8:58 am
Whacks, there’s a big difference between a degree in int’l affairs and merely being conversant on the major issues.
I don’t think being conversant on the major issues is too much to ask from someone who wants to be leader of the free world.
Anyone Can Run for Prez
May 23rd, 2011
8:58 am
Herman Cain is a joke of a candidate and his interview with Chris Wallace proves it. Not only is he deadly ignorant of the issues he can’t raise any money… Tell me one serious minded person with money that would donate to Herman Cain. The whole thing is laughable… makes Republicans look desperate
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
8:58 am
AH: You can always tell who scares the liberals the most by who they attack.
Jay is an Equal Opportunity Attacker of Conservative Candidates (TM)
i.e. the “fear” meme is nonsense. Quit while I haven’t yet started laughing.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
8:59 am
Aquagirl 8:55 – Jay’s 8:50 was 1000% better than yours.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
8:59 am
Job Opening: President of the United States
Minimum Qualifications: as set by Obama.
Ivy League Degree (sad state of commentary there)
A couple of years as State Senator, not required to actually vote all the time.
Two years as US Senator, and no need to take your votes seriously. The current guy risked the creditworthiness of this country.
Obviously, 90% of America won’t meet these requirements. But a lot do….. (or have better qualifications)
Aquagirl
May 23rd, 2011
8:59 am
jm is comfortable with ignorance. I think that says it all.
ty webb
May 23rd, 2011
9:02 am
Cain forgot to follow the first rule in the career politicians’s playbook…when in doubt, promise something. No one really cares a year or two later when that promise is broken(except of course with what happened with bush the elder and the whole “read my lips” thingy).
Jay
May 23rd, 2011
9:03 am
I’ve posted Mr. Cain’s “clarification” as an update above.
Yippee
May 23rd, 2011
9:04 am
“Cain refused to reveal what his policy would be toward Afghanistan”
Did he really refuse Jay, refuse to answer, or rather answer in a way you found less than acceptable.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
9:04 am
Aquagirl 8:59 – thanks for inserting words in my mouth I didn’t say. Typical.
ByteMe
May 23rd, 2011
9:04 am
For those who don’t know the difference: there’s vision, there’s strategy, and there are tactics. Candidates better have the first, rely on the experts for the second, and rely on the boots on the ground for the third. Cain doesn’t have the first when it comes to foreign policy, one of the major constitutional jobs of the President.
godless heathen
May 23rd, 2011
9:04 am
He’s a joke.
stranger in a strange land
May 23rd, 2011
9:05 am
Another Pavlov dog experiment – Jay provides the same stimulus, everyone starts to drool (i.e – make same comments as last week). Expect CT will be running same experiment sometime this week on racism.
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
9:05 am
So he clarified, basically by actually having a better response after a failed one. Looks like he needs someone to prep him on interviews… I guess he thought he would get softball questions on Fox?
ByteMe
May 23rd, 2011
9:06 am
AQ: way too many GOP voters are “comfortable with ignorance.” They’d prefer to make themselves feel better by referencing Obama’s teleprompter — as though Presidents since before Reagan haven’t used one — and ignore that he was near the top of his Harvard Law class.
The good news: you can supposedly cure ignorance.
Yippee
May 23rd, 2011
9:06 am
Funny, as in a “joke”, that Herman is drawing so much fire for a guy without a chance. Hmmmmmmmm
Jay
May 23rd, 2011
9:06 am
Here Yippee, you can decide for yourself:
http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/15/im-not-going-to-shoot-from-the-lip-on-afghanistan/
Please report back on what you believe the Cain policy on Afghanistan to be.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
9:06 am
LOL!!
Whatever it takes to make you think that the anti-Semitic bigot we have in the White house has a prayer.
Larry Baughman
May 23rd, 2011
9:07 am
I’ld vote for a business man like Mr. Cain before I would another sorry ass politician. Bookman you’re a mule with blinders. All you can see is you’re liberal carrot hanging in front of you.
Yippee
May 23rd, 2011
9:08 am
Another day, another vortex. Signing off.
AmVet
May 23rd, 2011
9:08 am
In a way, this ploy be Herman is innovative and interesting. Just admit up front, you’re an empty suit!
Speaking of which…
Of course, Obama set the bar so low for being President, that I dare say just about everyone is qualified nowadays…..
jm, were you doing the Rip van Winkle for the first eight years of this millennium?
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
9:08 am
“Israel has a long record of being more gracious to its enemies than its enemies are to it”
yep. nothing like opening fire on children as an example of “graciousness”
or not even allowing in humanitarian aid to help the innocent during skirmishes
oh, yeah. gracious to the core.
Doggone/GA
May 23rd, 2011
9:10 am
“You can always tell who scares the liberals the most by who they attack”
Please refer to the dictionary to learn the difference between “amuses” and “scares”
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
9:10 am
ByteMe: The good news: you can supposedly cure ignorance.
Only the willing get cured…
Anyone Can Run for Prez
May 23rd, 2011
9:10 am
JM the only qualification to become President is to be smart enough to get the majority of Americans to vote for you. I guess President Obama passed that test. What about your highly qualified candidate? You best get used to the low qualifications of President Obama cause he is going to win again.
Tim
May 23rd, 2011
9:11 am
Ok. You say he is clueless, and the current president isn’t.
JKL2
May 23rd, 2011
9:11 am
unfortunately obama doesn’t take it seriously either. So I guess Cain could do no worse as his replacement.
AmVet
May 23rd, 2011
9:12 am
BHO is anti-Semitic?
Perhaps in delusionville, but in the world of cogent adults, that inane, fallacious assertion would require some evidence…
jasper
May 23rd, 2011
9:12 am
I’m glad to see you reference that a candidate should be prepared, intimating that he/she should also be qualified. This current POTUS has certainly shed a lot of light on the need for that.
Aquagirl
May 23rd, 2011
9:12 am
jm, I know you have to do the Tammy Wynette and stand by yer man. This makes you understandably irritable and I do admire your creative attempts to make a real candidate out of your guy. It’s unfortunate they’re so transparent, but then you don’t have much to work with.
Anyone Can Run for Prez
May 23rd, 2011
9:12 am
Larry, go turn on Rush and get your conservative fix for the day. Rush will tell you what to think.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
9:12 am
Aquagirl – spin spin spin. Please, don’t attempt to actually respond.
Fact: Cain has more business experience than Obama will ever have, and infinity % compared to his current experience.
Fact: I’m not a Cain guy myself, but that doesn’t mean I’m for needlessly tearing the guy down.
Fact: Obama was the least qualified person to ever run for President, even tallying up his experience in government.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
9:13 am
USinUK
Well let’s punish them!! Let’s just let the entire Middle East allies that we have had for years fall to radical Islam and then let’s turn our back on Israel.
After all, radical Islam has been so good to children.
Whacks Eloquent
May 23rd, 2011
9:13 am
Jay, thanks for posting Herman’s update. I think it is a well-reasoned clarification of his position on the Israeli-Palestinian issue. I am sure that if Chris Wallace had just asked “What do you think of the Israeli-Palestine conflict?” Herman would have had some things to say. The right of return philosophy is centric to Palestinian efforts, whereas most conservatives tend to be Israel-centric. It is not surprising that he may not have heard the terminology before.
@@
May 23rd, 2011
9:13 am
Damn, jay!
Must you always return to Cain, Gingrich, Romney, any candidate with an “R” after his name?
I s’pose it’s your right to run around in circles..
Boring, but your right…or left…whatever.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
9:14 am
but in the world of cogent adults, that inane, fallacious assertion would require some evidence…
But but but… I FEEL like something is wrong with this president. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but my GUT tells me I need to vote Republican….
Zedd
May 23rd, 2011
9:14 am
Is that the best you can do Jay? Why do fear the Herminator? Stating that he would consult his advisers and generals about how best to proceed in Afghanistan is the prudent thing to do. After all, isn’t that what Obama did and then took forever to decide a course of action after he had the facts just because he didn’t like the recommendations? Obama did try to throw Israel under the bus. Anyone who thinks Israel will commit to the 1960s borders when Palestinians have not offered to make any real concessions is a fool. Abbas joining with Hamas proves they are not committed to real peace. Until that is resolved they shouldn’t get anything. No right of return either until the Palestinians have demonstrated that they are more interested in peace rather than Israel’s destruction. You fear Herman Cain because he’s the mystery card that could just throw a monkey wrench into the Obominations run. What will the libs do when they can’t play the race card anymore? Label him an Uncle Tom?
Chris
May 23rd, 2011
9:14 am
Mr. Cain is an excellent candidate and will surprise everyone when he wins the nomination and defeats the economic novice in the White House.
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
9:15 am
GLL: *facepalm*
My only response is what I said before. Nuke them both from orbit. Only way to be sure.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
9:15 am
“You can always tell who scares the liberals the most by who they attack.”
Is this phrase in the newest round of emails sent out to give the wingnuts their talking points? We certainly have seen that almost verbatim for the past couple weeks, along with “rule by fiat.”
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
9:15 am
AmVet
Sure. The guy that is actually “middle of the road” and once supported the GOP would have a perfectly fair view of the president that wants to put the Tel Aviv airport within range of shoulder fired missiles.
Maybe he’s just anti-airplanes.
ByteMe
May 23rd, 2011
9:17 am
Bosch: supposedly liberals are also “scared” of Palin. And Newt. And Trump….
OOOooooh, smell the fear! That’s just the GOPnuts who forgot to shower.
Anyone Can Run for Prez
May 23rd, 2011
9:17 am
Whacks you must be kidding…… Anyone who remotely keeps up with the conflict knows that “right of return” and the splitting of Jeruselem are the two big sticking points in the negotiations….You probably think Sarah Palin is pretty bright and well informed too…..
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
9:18 am
Bosch: The interesting thing is, the belief that liberals fear something isn’t actually helping the conservative side, at all. Even if it had some basis in reality, all it does is give some sort of hope and feel-good message to conservatives to reassure them that they must be voting for the right person, no matter who they are, because the liberals attack them! That message only works for people who are already going to vote for whoever the Republican candidate is anyway.
poison pen
May 23rd, 2011
9:18 am
Well I’m at least glad that our Vice President is a Rhodes scholar, snicker snicker.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
9:18 am
Adam
When our president turns his back on our Middle Eastern Allies, and even supporting the elements of radical Islam and them says that all of the advances made by Israel should be given back, it has nothing to do with feeling.
Anyone Can Run for Prez
May 23rd, 2011
9:19 am
Only amongst low end conservatives does adherance to ideology trump understanding of the issues. Ignorance is the breeding ground for Palin and Cain supporters.
AmVet
May 23rd, 2011
9:21 am
Adam, many of the claims made here (by a small percentage of contributors) are simply not remotely close to being founded upon any factual truth. But in lieu of it, Republispeak is very popular…
As proven by the fact that gll will never provide even the most miniscule piece of compelling evidence – to corroborate that obvious and laughable nonsense about BHO being anti-Semitic.
The term has become just another cheap, throw away phrase for the rabid who can’t possibly appreciate what real antisemitism is.
And they wonder why American Jews vote overwhelmingly against them…
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
9:21 am
GLL: Continually spouting the nonsense that Obama supports radical Islam has EVERYTHING to do with feeling and NOTHING to do with FACT.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
9:22 am
Adam
Facepalm?
Been watching cartoons again, Adam?
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
9:22 am
Adam,
We all know that the wingnuts here on this blog would vote for Satan if he had an R after his name. All they have is bumper sticker talk, and it appears that’s all their “candidates” if you even want to call them that have either.
ByteMe
May 23rd, 2011
9:22 am
USMC @ 9:24: pretty much everyone already agrees with you on that. No argument that she’s a sorry excuse for a former politician. Sort-of like a Palin-lite on that scale.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
9:23 am
Anyone Can Run for Prez
As much as you would like, it is not a commonly used phrase.
But we talk about the ME a lot on here. Care to find one instance where it was used?
jm
May 23rd, 2011
9:23 am
Oh yes. Aquagirl, maybe you should stop opening your mouth so much and listen every so often. “stand by your man” what a joke. I’ve been a Daniels supporter for 4 months….
Guess I’m either a Huntsman or Romney guy now. Liberals…. just wallowing in ignorance.
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
9:23 am
“Let’s just let the entire Middle East allies that we have had for years fall to radical Islam and then let’s turn our back on Israel. ”
fall to radical Islam? you haven’t been watching the new much, lately, have you?
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
9:23 am
Wasn’t it just a few years back that the GOP bashed future President Obama as a simply a celebrity?
And then they try to pass off Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Donald Trump and now Herman Cain as presidential material?
Cain screwed the pooch (or should a say did a newtie) when he opened his mouth on Afghanistan….it was like listening to Demi Term Governor Palin discuss the Bush Doctrine.
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
9:24 am
Another ANTI-American/Left-wing Liberal BUFFOON:
Democratic Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx2bFTLRHRc
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
9:24 am
I see more people on the right claiming racism than those on the left, at least on this blog. Obama is “racist, anti-semitic,” etc, and the GOP voters are “not racist because they are willing to vote for Herman Cain” when it looks more to me like they like Herman Cain because his only claim to fame is running Godfather’s Pizza. Clearly, in the minds of the chain email gang, business experience has become the ONLY qualification for president. Now, there’s another reason feeling wise that people are flocking to this particular candidate, but I won’t go into that. It starts with nonsense and ends with nonsense.
RD
May 23rd, 2011
9:24 am
Obama had a plan before he had the facts. Remember close Guantanama Bay, pull the troops out of Iraq, direct talks with Iran, etc…? Things weren’t quite so simple once he found himself in the drivers seat. So is it more responsible for a candidate to run off at the mouth about all the things they’ll do, only to break those promises once elected; or honestly explain their overall philosophy for the role of government and how they’ll use that philosophy to gather the facts and make the best decision?
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
9:25 am
Adam
To you unless Obama is regarded as an all knowing God, it is all about feeling. Getting a little hysterical this morning, Mr. Facepalm?
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
9:26 am
“Herman Cain doesn’t take the presidency seriously”–Dixiecrat Jay Bookman
Jay just doesn’t like Herman Cain because Herman is BLACK.
–More R@ci$t rhetoric from Left-wing Liberal Democrats.
(or maybe Jay is trying to get back on Neal Boortz’s radio show)
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
9:26 am
RD
Remember “I’ll get OBL”?
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
9:26 am
Adam
To you unless Obama is treated like an all knowing God, it is without fact.
Feeling a little hysterical this morning Mr. Facepalm?
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
9:26 am
” Republispeak is very popular…”
I.E. Bumper Sticker talk….
Face it nuts, all this “Obama isn’t qualified to be POTUS” is so 2008 — when he runs in 2012, he will be the MOST qualified candidate. I’ll bet the fear of that keeps many up at night.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
9:27 am
USinUK
What’s happening in Egypt? Just a few Christians being slaughtered a just a few churches burned to the ground. Why are Iranian gunboats now allowed to go through the Suez and patrol the med.?
Looks like you haven’t been watching the news lately.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
9:28 am
USMC,
Cynthia McKinney? Really? Wow, you guys are reaching deep.
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
9:28 am
GLL: When our president turns his back on our Middle Eastern Allies, and even supporting the elements of radical Islam and them says that all of the advances made by Israel should be given back, it has nothing to do with feeling.
To you unless Obama is regarded as an all knowing God, it is all about feeling
I’m sorry, but which is it?
And btw, stop deluding yourself into thinking I would be in any small way hurt by you continually referencing my use of the word facepalm. It was DEFINITELY appropriate in your case.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
9:29 am
“his only claim to fame is running Godfather’s Pizza”
weird. forgot his experience at the other multinationals and the Federal Reserve Bank in the Midwest did we?
Donovan
May 23rd, 2011
9:30 am
Oh thank you Jay for your astute wisdom on identifying the worthy candidates for POTUS. Oh, I also want to thank you for supporting all of the troops serving in harm’s way in Iraq and Afghanistan. As we all know, it is the drive-by media that comes up with such journalistic slang terms like, “right to return” that everyone must know if you are an elitist. You being a liberal journalist hack, Jay, I must remind all of your liberal readership that your selection and casted vote for an inept junior senator who was nothing more than a community organizer speaks volumes. Mr. Community Activist had to learn foreign policy on the job and still does it badly. I would like to also point out to Jay and all his liberal buddies that they did a cracker Jack job of collective Non-Support of the war effort during the Bush years. Those same warriors during the Bush years were never given any enthusiastic funding support nor morale support when they said, “the war is lost”, when it was a Republican war. But here we are years later with a Democrat president in the same situation with the same wars and the same Palestinian problem and we now have a Democrat media hack calling the kettle black. Based on your character vote and support for the worse president to ever be elected president of this country, the political observations of Jay can hardly be seriously considered.
Sean
May 23rd, 2011
9:30 am
Solid answer by Herman Cain. At least hes not playing games with us and paying lip service with ideas that sound good but have no real merit because of how things change once youre sworn in. If he gave an actual plan, the title of this exact article would be something along the lines of man with no experience gives thoughts on wars…and it would be spun again. Stupid article.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
9:30 am
Hi Mrs. G.!
Yeah, McCain knew where he was too! I wonder if all this time, Obama was just trying to coax it out of him.
Peadawg
May 23rd, 2011
9:32 am
“Check back later to see if there’s a real topic worthy of discussion. Y’all enjoy your day.”
^this^
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
9:32 am
Adam
Obama’s Father was completely anti-colonialist England and he was extremely anti-Semetic. the apple doesn’t fall far.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
9:32 am
“If he gave an actual plan,”
OMFG. So THIS is how they spin it now? Can you imagine the howls if Obama had done the same in an interview? What with all we see NOW Of “he’s the worst qualified candidate EVAH!!!”
You people really are nuts.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 23rd, 2011
9:33 am
AH: “You can always tell who scares the liberals the most by who they attack. If Cain was such a flawed candidate Jay would be cheering him on.”
You can always tell who’s got nothing because the moment you start leveling serious criticism they immediately start whining and kicking their feet. Oh, and of course they naturally accuse anybody delivering said criticism a “liberal”.
Because, of course, anybody who points out they got nuthin must be a “liberal”.
My sense is that 98% of the people who use “liberal” haven’t the slightest clue what it means.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 23rd, 2011
9:33 am
Jay’s nit pic’s on Herman Cain won’t have any effect one way or the other. Check back later to see if there’s a real topic worthy of discussion. Y’all enjoy your day.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
9:33 am
“Stupid article.”
Marketing 101. Controversy (founded or unfounded) sells….
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
9:34 am
Onion headline that should have been: “May 21, 2011 – Obama reveals himself as the Messiah, ascends to heaven alone, claims ‘you are all sinners’”
Now I’d like to make it clear to the chain email gang, that was a JOKE.
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
9:34 am
“Cynthia McKinney? Really? Wow, you guys are reaching deep.”
Reach? We didn’t “reach” at all.
Cynthia showed her @rse on the Front Page all over America and TV; not much of a reach.
But definitely typical of you Far Left-wing Radical Democrats and your Irresponsible, Un-American beliefs.
ty webb
May 23rd, 2011
9:35 am
Bosch,
seems you have “nuts” on the mind this AM.
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
9:35 am
Sean: If he gave an actual plan, I bet he’d get more than the Republican base supporting him.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
9:35 am
ty,
Yeah, I’m forced to eat some kind of cardboard cereal with faux nuts in it and it’s pissing me off.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
9:35 am
Which do you liberals like more? The guy who says he’s going to increase troops and “win” Afghanistan and drag this out forever (the D candidate)? Or the guy who says he needs the facts at hand?
Hmmmmm
jt
May 23rd, 2011
9:36 am
Leader of the free world?
.
.yea right.
.
.
There is a latex covered finger with your name on it somewhere,, Freedom boy.
Don’t squeel………..just yell FREEEEEEEEEEEDOM.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
9:36 am
Adam
Hey kid. Use facepalm all you want. It must make you a God in your middle school class.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
9:37 am
Bosch
” Can you imagine the howls if Obama had done the same in an interview?”
Like when Obama said that we had 52 states? that’s how politics works. And we are giving your nonsense the same amount of credibility as you gave ours.
See?
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
9:37 am
GLL – really? is the Taliban running Egypt these days? Al Quaeda?? no. it’s not.
as for Iranian gunboats – they’ve been conducting anti-piracy patrols since 2008 – welcome to the real world!
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
9:38 am
GLL: The “kid” thing is also a useless insult. Most of your attempts at insults are. They also show pretty clearly that you have NOTHING of substance to say.
RD
May 23rd, 2011
9:38 am
Cain answered every question about his philosophy regarding the Israeli/Palestinian conflict by saying Israel is an ally and a friend and Israel has the right to make its own decisions. The rest is just noise.
On the other hand, Obama’s actions seem to indicate that his philosophy is somewhat different.
Jay
May 23rd, 2011
9:39 am
well gee, GLL, who else might be considered “completely anti-colonialist England?”
George Washington? Thomas Jefferson? Nathan Hale? Ben Franklin?
It’s another remarkable example in which up is twisted into down and good is twisted into bad in order to condemn Obama.
Really, it’s a bad thing to be anti-colonialist?
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
9:39 am
USMC,
And how long has McKinney been at all relevant? Was she even relevant when she was in office?
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
9:39 am
jt: Leader of the free world?
.
.yea right.
What, you don’t believe in American Exceptionalism now?
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
9:40 am
GLL,
Get your faux poutrage facts right….Obama said 57 states. And I’m sure you’ve NEVER, EVER misspoke. Oh, yeah, you have….
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
9:40 am
Bosch: Where’s your well placed “youth envy” comment? Or am I thinking of someone else?
jm
May 23rd, 2011
9:40 am
Speaking of dumb things to say. Obama really stepped in it this week. Those 1961 border repetitive statements may cost him FL….. he attempted to sort of backtrack, but couldn’t. Another jacka-s politician flapping in the wind.
His ME speech, and subsequent AIPAC speech were comical. And he got a dressing down from Bibi to boot.
New POTUS please!
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
9:40 am
USinUK
So who is killing the Christians? Other Christians? Why did bin Laden praise the “Arab Spring” in his last message?
No Iranian military craft has been allowed into the Med. since Carter’s administration. The first to go through the Suez was the week that Mubaric stepped down.
What’s it going to take? I’ll answer that: 2012.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
9:41 am
LWM 9:42 – sorry, I meant to use socialist, but, hey, you know, not all liberals are socialist like you.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
9:41 am
Adam
Run along, kid. Your hysterics are making you look bad.
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
9:41 am
RD: On the other hand, Obama’s actions seem to indicate that his philosophy is somewhat different.
See, now THAT is a legitimate debate. One policy versus another. Let’s talk about it and work it out. But that’s hard to do when you don’t HAVE a policy regarding a (different) subject.
Jack
May 23rd, 2011
9:41 am
Cain is as qualified to be president as Obama.
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
9:41 am
At least Herman Cain knows there are only 50 states; not 57 or more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMo0WlSvrIY
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
9:42 am
Morning, Bosch!!
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 23rd, 2011
9:42 am
jm: “Which do you liberals like more? The guy who says he’s going to increase troops and “win” Afghanistan and drag this out forever (the D candidate)? Or the guy who says he needs the facts at hand?”
See what I mean about people who use the meme “liberal”?
It’s a “blank” idea which is to thought what a blank round is to firearms.
So frankly I don’t think you know enough about basic political lexicon to really be taken seriously with your question, jm. Am I wrong?
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
9:42 am
“New POTUS please!”
Despite your daily rants against Obama, which are all based in stupid silly talking memes, it looks as though you will have to wait until 2016.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
9:42 am
Jay
Those people are all dead, Jay. England has been one of our best allies for years. So has Israel. . . . until now.
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
9:42 am
At least Herman Cain knows there are only 50 states; not 57 or more:
The more I see this, the more I realize you guys have NOTHING.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
9:43 am
Hi USinUK! Did you have a good birthday?
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
9:43 am
Adam,
“The more I see this, the more I realize you guys have NOTHING.”
Yeah, so this morning we have Cynthia McKinney and “57 states” — wow.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
9:45 am
Bosch
This silly economy, all talking points. And only one new oil well approved while Obama pumps millions into Brazilian oil, all talking points. And our allies in the Middle east, all falling to radical Islam, all talking points, and turning our back on Israel, all talking points.
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
9:45 am
Bosch – I had a lovely birthday, thanks … althought Jesus was a no-show. Son of god or not, that’s just rude.
Aquagirl
May 23rd, 2011
9:45 am
“The right of return philosophy is centric to Palestinian efforts, whereas most conservatives tend to be Israel-centric. It is not surprising that he may not have heard the terminology before.”
Awesome, Whacks. Conservatives tend to think talking/listening = capitulation. More information is ALWAYS a good thing. We lost in Viet Nam because we didn’t understand our enemy, and they understood us. Embracing ignorance is a Republican thing I’ve never understood.
jm, I personally don’t care who you support, if you’re so hot for some other candidate, save your efforts for them. Considering your lame “90% of the US” logic, you should conserve what little thought you have for candidates that matter to you.
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
9:45 am
jm: Fact: Cain has more business experience than Obama will ever have, and infinity % compared to his current experience.
Yep — that business experience will sure do him a lot of good in world politics!
GLL: Obama’s Father was completely anti-colonialist England and he was extremely anti-Semetic. the apple doesn’t fall far.
Except that he had no input from his father on his upbringing and he met his father only ONCE his entire life. Obama was raised by his mother and maternal grandparents.
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
9:46 am
GLL: And only one new oil well approved while Obama pumps millions into Brazilian oil, all talking points
A perfect example of having NO facts at all. What about the other 8 permits that got issued in a one month period? What about the fact that not a single oil rig left to go to Brazil? These are facts you should look into, methinks.
And I’m not even going to TOUCH that “talking points” attempt at an attack…
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
9:46 am
What next?
Bill Ayers and “but he’s a MUSLIM!!!”
Isn’t there enough money in the GOP bank accounts to hire somebody to come up with some new spin doctors? Because y’alls old ones are simply getting laughable.
Mighy Righty
May 23rd, 2011
9:46 am
Jay
“He says that once elected, he would talk to the experts and generals and come up with a plan about what to do.”
This is exactly the Obama policy as implemented. Not the policy he ran on. Jay you are critical of Cain for doing the Obama two step.
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
9:46 am
GLL – and what does your mini-rant have to do with Israel, again?
Hambone
May 23rd, 2011
9:47 am
Dang, wished Ida bought stock in the KOOLAID company….
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
9:47 am
Obama sealed his fate at AIPAC this weekend:
Obama Loses in 2012
tick tock, tick tock, tick tock…
Jay
May 23rd, 2011
9:47 am
Dead, but not forgotten, GLL. At least by some of us.
And they weren’t anti-England so much as they were anti-colonial. You know, the part about the right of a people to govern themselves rather than be governed by a former power.
Only in the Age of Obama could “anti-colonial” be turned into an epithet in American politics. It’s astounding really.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
9:49 am
USMC 9:47 – yawp…. talk about being torn between Jewish voters and the left wing nutjobs. The Democratic party has no coherence and is completely divided.
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
9:49 am
USMC @ 9:47: At this point, whatever makes you feel good. You guys don’t even have a serious candidate yet.
jm: The Democratic party has no coherence and is completely divided.
The Republican party is looking rather divided right now, a lot more than Democrats. And that’s really saying something.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 23rd, 2011
9:50 am
Jay: “Really, it’s a bad thing to be anti-colonialist?”
It’s another example of something we have the hackery of Dinesh D’Souza to thank for. He and other pseudo-intellectuals supply the blank rounds to the kids to play with, those who aren’t much more willing or able to engage in genuine thought than D’Souza himself.
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
9:50 am
Bosch @ 9:46: To quote Jon Stewart “This isn’t even fun anymore”
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
9:50 am
Jack — “Cain is as qualified to be president as Obama.”
Obama’s held the job and has experience in it.
Cain has done neither.
Consequently, Obama is *far* more qualified to be President than Cain.
Bill Callahan
May 23rd, 2011
9:51 am
Herman did say the Right Of Return was ” negotiable ” He knew what it was , it just wasn’t your Liberal answer. You and Tucker are the reason most of us dropped our subscription to the AJC and read what we want on-line . Liberal views like yours and Tucker are what is driving the demise of papers like the NY Times and the AJC . Cain is so much more qualified than the community organizer with about 180 days of Senate experience , no private business experience , no executive experience , in a word,,, clueless . That’s your candidate and you’re stuck with him
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
9:51 am
USinUK
A mini-rant. Listing points that completely blank what you say is a mini-rant.
If you can’t associate Israel and “bin Laden praising the takeover of almost all of North Africa by radical elements, you are far too uneducated to debate the topic.
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
9:51 am
Two of the basic tenets that Herman Cain stands for:
Tax Cuts to SPUR the economy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEdXrfIMdiU
Ask not what your country can do for you…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLdA1ikkoEc
RB from Gwinnett
May 23rd, 2011
9:51 am
I see C McKinney is over in Lybia supporting MK and trashing the US again. Nice…
Tell us all Jay. How many times did you endorse her over whatever opponent?
RD
May 23rd, 2011
9:52 am
“RD
Remember “I’ll get OBL”?”
@Granny – Cudos to Obama for giving the order.
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
9:52 am
“and subsequent AIPAC speech were comical.”
and yet He was applauded warmly by AIPAC…..
Scott
May 23rd, 2011
9:53 am
I love the headline “Herman Cain doesn’t take the presidency seriously”. Yeah Jay, we need Mr. Cain to take the office of President as seriously as our current Commander In Chief. Instead of promsing to focus his presidency on ways to reduce our out of control national debt or help our ailing economy, Mr. Cain should follow Obama’s example and promise to concentrate on more serious issues like playing a round of golf instead of attending the Peace Officers’ Memorial Service or enjoying Common’s words of inspiration during White House Poetry Night. Mr. Cain may also want to schedule appearances on the Daily Show, Oprah and of course, the View. These acts would show Americans that he’s serious about the presidency.
I’m willing to bet that most of the folks who are bashing Mr. Cain for not being knowledgeable of foreign affairs are the same ones who kept taunting George H.W. Bush in 1992 with “It’s the economy, stupid!”
AmVet
May 23rd, 2011
9:55 am
Based on your character vote and support for the worse president to ever be elected president of this country…
JB voted for GWB? (grin)
All this blubbering about BHO usurping that title is merely the rantings and projections of the ROYALLY duped…
Own it cons.
W is still miles and miles ahead as worst ever…
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
9:56 am
Jay
Only under Obama could Christians being slaughtered, churches being burned, Iranian warships traversing the Suez and our President taking the side of radical Palestine against one of our greatest allies be considered good because it’s all about “governing themselves”. Is there any amount of manure that you guys wan’t take a big bite of for the sake of Obama’s failed policies?
This may come as a big shock to you but Stalin, Pol Pot, Milošević and Hitler were all about “governing themselves”.
You make your living with words, Jay. Perhaps you should take a few hours and study the term “semantics”.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
9:56 am
GG 9:52 – when he backtracked from earlier comments….
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
9:56 am
GLL – you mean the Bin Laden that’s DEAD? that Bin Laden?
and do you mean Egypt which is going to hold elections in October? that Egypt?
is there lawless now? of course there is – it’s called a power vacuum.
and you listed points that had nothing whatsoever to do with Israel – which is the topic. which is why I call it a mini-rant.
Jay
May 23rd, 2011
9:58 am
GG 9:52 – when he backtracked from earlier comments….
No, he did not, jm.
Jerome
May 23rd, 2011
9:58 am
AmVet- I think they have tough guy blogger. Time for the libs to man up a bit, you think?
TnGelding
May 23rd, 2011
9:58 am
Well, he claims he doesn’t have all the pertinient information available to the president, and I concur. He’s certainly more serious than Newtie. The most intriguing thing about him to me is his short stay the the Fed. I guess he left to pursue his fortune?
jm
May 23rd, 2011
9:58 am
I wonder if Hillary can take 4 more years of Obama. I can’t decide if she’s going to quit and be done. Or if Obama is going to try to switch out his Veep.
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
9:58 am
jm: The guy who says he’s going to increase troops and “win” Afghanistan and drag this out forever (the D candidate)? Or the guy who says he needs the facts at hand?
A. When did Obama (the guy) say that?
B. Bush signed an agreement before he lft Afghanistan to draw down troops in gradual degrees until the majority of the troops are out. So, how did Obama, renege on that agreement?
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2011
9:59 am
Hmm. How’s Herman look in a red skirt-suit and heels?
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
9:59 am
“I see C McKinney is over in Lybia supporting MK and trashing the US again. Nice…
Tell us all Jay. How many times did you endorse her over whatever opponent?”
Yeah, How many of you idiots voted for this Buffoon??? Don’t want to admit it, huh?
(sort of like your vote for JOHN EDWARDS)
And Jay, how many times did you endorse Cynthia McKinney???
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
10:00 am
AmVet: Oh, they WANT to own it. Only they want to own success and not failure. Like saying that Bush is somehow responsible for OBL’s demise, and Obama deserves no credit, only blame.
Gas prices are going down right now; be sure to blame the prospectors. But when it goes up again make sure Obama gets the blame. OBL dies, make sure that you send the entire former Bush team to Sunday morning shows to tell everyone how Bush did it, and how Obama does not deserve any credit at all. But if Obama gave an order for a failed military operation, make sure he gets all the blame. Like now how Afghanistan is all his fault, but success in getting OBL has nothing to do with Obama. etc, etc, etc.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:00 am
DDR 9:58 –
A. When he was running for office. I think Cain, intelligently, has learned from the stupid things Obama said on the campaign trail and is not making the same mistake.
B. Are you that clueless? Obama increased the troop strength by 25,000 troops after taking office?
buck@gon
May 23rd, 2011
10:01 am
Jay,
“He says that once elected, he would talk to the experts and generals and come up with a plan about what to do. As I noted at the time, it’s the kind of answer Miss South Carolina might give in the beauty pageant Q&A. In fact, such a lack of preparation is downright disrespectful.”
Well, if he said we’re going to get the hell out of Afghanistan, then he’d be just like Obama was on Iraq. Are we out of Iraq yet? His “talking to the generals pap” also sounds just like Obama, who I remind you, was quite two-faced, one as a campaigner, one as a president.
I can’t help but note the incessant carp about “respectful” nonsense you liberals blather on about. Do we remember Sarah Palin’s interview with Couric? Do we remember candidate Bush’s failure to name the King of Siam? How about the ol’ “amiable dunce” line from the Reagan years?
What is clear however, is that neither YOU, JAY BOOKMAN nor Katie Couric, nor the damn NY Times, nor anyone on network news would say that Barry Obama is a stinking idiot for high-fiving the Queen of England with an I-Pod from Wal-Mart, for alienating friends and allies around the world, for invading sovereign Pakistan without their knowledge (hey, I’d bet T-bills to donuts your boss’d say, “cowboy antics” for THAT one), and for trying to humiliate BB Netanyahu last week–and failing miserably to be himself lectured and humiliated.
Let’s also not forget that even a disrespectful beauty pageant queen could probably knock Obama out of office right now, even much more, beat him in a debate. So, go ahead. Keep telling us, how Republicans are stupid, disrespectful or moronic. You may even enjoy doing so.
I consider it a duty to truth when I show what a dumbass you are, Jay Bookman.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
10:01 am
USinUK
So you haven’t heard bin Laden’s last address? Figures.
I do associate mobs of people chanting Kill the Jews with Israel. That association might be a little deep for you.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:01 am
Jay 9:58 – well, fine, call it “modified”, “clarified”, just like “Cain has issued the following “clarification””
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 23rd, 2011
10:01 am
Bill Callahan: “Liberal views like yours and Tucker are what is driving the demise of papers like the NY Times and the AJC”
Again, another example of the tendency to define “liberal” as anyone who dares to challenge the GOP line or ask its supporters to defend their views.
joe
May 23rd, 2011
10:02 am
And the majority of the readers of the AJC don’t take you seriously either, Mr. Bookman.
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
10:03 am
“our President taking the side of radical Palestine against one of our greatest allies”
this is a big stinking lie
so much for anything else you might spew….
ragnar danneskjold
May 23rd, 2011
10:03 am
A brainless argument – because a candidate requires a pundit to define the pundit’s buzzwordds, and thus allow the pundit to misrepresent his position, the candidate is therefore “illegitimate.” Sounds more like a pundit defining his own importance to me. I am a Cain supporter – he is miles ahead of the current pretender in the office, and Cain is no mere “community organizer.”
TnGelding
May 23rd, 2011
10:04 am
I’d be concerned about the cabinet Cain could assemble.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
10:04 am
Granny Godzilla
Demanding that Israel give back all the land taken in the 1967 war is not taking the side against Israel.
Explain, please.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:04 am
When is Obama going to jail for breaking US law on the Libya war?
TnGelding
May 23rd, 2011
10:05 am
That depends on what your definition of war is.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
10:05 am
“our President taking the side of radical Palestine against one of our greatest allies”
Mrs. G.,
You can smell the desperation in the air. If I were head of the Secret Service, I’d be hiring more folks — especially as it becomes apparent that no one will be Obama — it’s going to make alot of people really crazy.
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
10:05 am
“So you haven’t heard bin Laden’s last address? Figures.”
again – the Bin Laden that’s DEAD.
or maybe YOU haven’t heard the news. (it was in all the papers)
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:05 am
At least Bush went to Congress to get the votes to wage war in Iraq. Obama just wages wars without the consent of Congress.
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2011
10:05 am
a phrase familiar to anyone who has done even 20 minutes of research into the Middle East conundrum
Guess we ought to ask what constitutes “research” for GOP presidential aspirants these days. I preseume Cain is well versed in what End Timers think about the importance of the Holy Lands being controlled by the right people so that biblical prophecies can be permitted to take place.
(And yes, I do think that’s what drives a lot of right wing support for Israel in the past several decades, and I take no pleasure whatsoever in pointing this out—in fact, it pains me to do so.)
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
10:06 am
make that “beat” Obama.
You can see the craziness and desperation in full display here today.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:06 am
LWM 10:01 – see earlier post. And: “liberal” in the US does not mean what it did historically. Duh. Stop playing stupid liberal games. Or, I’m glad we can just call you guys “socialist” now since you admit it.
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
10:06 am
“I wonder if Hillary can take 4 more years of Obama. I can’t decide if she’s going to quit and be done. Or if Obama is going to try to switch out his Veep.”–jm
Based on General Secretary Obama’s DRASTIC DROP in the polls, he will swap Hillary in for “Bozo” Biden…. And Comrade Obama will still LOSE the election in 2012
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
10:07 am
“Demanding that Israel give back all the land taken in the 1967 war is not taking the side against Israel.”
another big stinking lie
news nerd
May 23rd, 2011
10:07 am
Regarding the reference to ” right of return”, allow me to point out that most people do not recognize the Palestinian desire to create an influx of Muslims into Israel as ” right of return.” It is right up there with the Obama Doctrine (huh?which one/ what’s that?), a fancy term to cover idealogical concepts with a broad brush.
I’ve seen more than one “re-settlement” plan described as the right to return.
“Do you think the people who call themselves Palestinians have a right to settle in Israel?” Better question.
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
10:07 am
Bosch – “And where are these( imaginary) wars at jm?”
evidently, John Wayne was sighted in Tripoli, complete with Green Beret.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
10:08 am
jm,
“Obama just wages wars without the consent of Congress.”
And where are these( imaginary) wars at jm?
AmVet
May 23rd, 2011
10:08 am
Adam, the rabid right’s insistence on completely minimizing this wonderful accomplishment of killing OBL is very telling.
They’ll bend over backwards to give credit to anybody but the CiC.
Had W gotten him, I would have likely thrown a few jabs about “Finally!”, but would have GLADLY given him the respect and accolades he deserved for orchestrating such a brilliant military move. Hell, the planning and background work, from the CiC down, took many months.
Yet these clods act like BHO just strolled into that room, completely unaware and uninvolved and aid, “OK, let’s go.”
Disgraceful, but not surprising.
But not for your garden-variety, ODS enraged neo-con…
Jay
May 23rd, 2011
10:08 am
Leftwing, my favorite example of that phenomenon came when Jim Wooten wrote a column critical of Bill O’Reilly years ago, and he was deluged with emails attacking him as a liberal.
Vincent
May 23rd, 2011
10:08 am
Barry Obumbles has not a clue as to what he is doing. What about his “57 states” comment while he was running for POTUS. Jay never said a word about that flub.
Obama is the worst President in history. Unemployment continues on, gas prices continue to rise, countries abroad continue to hate us, and Obumbles continues his socialist agenda on the U.S.
WORST PRESIDENT EVER.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:08 am
Bosch 10:08- a country called Libya which ignorant head in the sand liberals have never heard of
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
10:09 am
jm,
The fact that you think we are at war with Libya demonstrates your desperation and crazy.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
10:09 am
gll
More hyperbole, the sky did not fall on saturday nor will it fall today, tomorrow or all the way to 1026 and beyond. Get over you ODS, the president is OK…
Mr. Snarky
May 23rd, 2011
10:09 am
The Right of Return?…The Right of Return?…chirp, chirp, chirp
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 23rd, 2011
10:10 am
buck@gon: “I can’t help but note the incessant carp about “respectful” nonsense you liberals blather on about”
So Jay is a “liberal” because he uses his column to expose the indisputable fact that the GOP party is a party of extreme ideas right now? That’s weird. So if Jay’s a “liberal”, then what are you, an anti-liberal?
Mr. Snarky
May 23rd, 2011
10:10 am
Sounds like he’s had interview prep sessions with Palin.
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
10:11 am
buck@gon: Let’s also not forget that even a disrespectful beauty pageant queen could probably knock Obama out of office right now, even much more, beat him in a debate
Oboy. Is anyone else enjoying these delusions as much as I am? I’m going to have to start taking bets soon. I’ll wait until there’s an actual GOP candidate though.
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
10:11 am
jm – thanks for confirming my 10:07.
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
10:12 am
“I’d be concerned about the cabinet Cain could assemble.”–TnGelding
Sounds pretty R@ci$t… Typical Liberal DIXIECRAT.
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
10:12 am
jm: A. When he was running for office.
WRONG. He said the war in Afghan was a “good” war unlike the War in Iraq.
B. Are you that clueless? Obama increased the troop strength by 25,000 troops after taking office?
That was the surge to try and root out the AQ’s defensive positions and terror cells in Afghanistan. That has nothing to do with the Agreement Bush signed before he left office to draw down troops. It’s called HISTORY and not even ancient history at that. These events are less than 5 years old!! Were you trapped in a time warp or something these past few years?
At least Bush went to Congress to get the votes to wage war in Iraq. Obama just wages wars without the consent of Congress.
What “war” has Obama waged?
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
10:13 am
jm,
And you guys are really desperate and crazy.
And we are inconsistent? Please, NOW you guys are all anti-war? Isn’t that cute….
Cain Ain't Able
May 23rd, 2011
10:13 am
The “Deer in the Headlights” was hilarious. That had to be a Palin/Couric moment. At least this time, he was able to describe the Fair Tax. Maybe Uncle Neal will give him some “Middle East” lessons, before the NEXT slap down! Neal has his undies in a BUNCH right now … does he actually think Hermie has a CHANCE IN HELL, when they see who he PALS AROUND with!
And Hermie … please, oh please DROP the MLK speech. MLK has to be turning in his GRAVE, with his words coming out of your mouth! You also made a “bad mistake”, putting your foot in the race .. on the DAY of the RAPTURE. Hmmmmmmmmmm … maybe not!
HA
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
10:14 am
USinUK
The bin L:aden that brought down the WTC. Yes, that guy. He is agreeing with the policies toward the middle east with our current president. He believes that the same people are good that our president supports.
Bin Laden’s death did not end his mantra.
You can tap dance all you want . . . and you will because no matter what Obama does, you will support him.
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
10:14 am
LOL, we can add Vincent to the list of people with NOTHING. “57 states therefore WORST PREZ EVAH”
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
10:14 am
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
10:04 am
Granny Godzilla
Demanding that Israel give back all the land taken in the 1967 war is not taking the side against Israel.
Explain, please.
– correct lie first
no demand
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:14 am
USinUK / Bosch – I’m glad liberals have redefined “war” so creatively (as is there tendency with to do with any concept). So, as long as no boots are on the ground, we’re not at war. I’m glad Republicans are now at liberty to bomb away at the world without consent from Congress.
You guys really are clueless and so morally and ethically inconsistent that you reveal the true vacuum of principles in the Democratic Party.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
10:16 am
Mick
“hyperbole”
Yer basic liberal argument. No reason. No counter. No explanation. Just throw the word out which YOU think cancels the entire point when all you actually do is prove that you can’t defend your own points.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
10:17 am
GLL,
If you would make some points that are real, then we might be able to counter them. Delusions are not points.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:17 am
Obama is breaking the law. Time for impeachment.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
10:17 am
**you reveal the true vacuum of principles in the Democratic Party.
As if there are any better principles in the modern republican party?
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
10:17 am
and Cain is no mere “community organizer.”
He’s now a radio pundit………….
Cain Ain't Able
May 23rd, 2011
10:17 am
USMC …
How soon we forget … McKinney was the only person to come out say:
There ARE NO WMD’S … and remember the SPANKING she got … wow!
I don’t see you or anyone else, apologizing for the profanity that you used on that day.
And please sir .. it’s not gentleman-like or honorable, to call someone a “buffoon”.
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
10:18 am
someone please hand GLL a paper bag … the poor thing is hyperventalating.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:18 am
Bosch 10:13 – whatever dude. I’m not anti-war any more so than the next joe. I hate all war, but they are sometimes justified.
I think its comical (and sad) that liberals are now pro-war.
And for the record, I’m in favor of the rule of law, which is not about being pro or anti war.
Gen. Halftrack
May 23rd, 2011
10:18 am
“He says that once elected, he would talk to the experts and generals and come up with a plan…”
I believe that’s what the current White House occupant has done. As a candidate he was all for exiting Afghanistan PDQ, but as soon as the generals got ahold of him they turned him around. Of course they’re going to lobby for continuing military action – they’re the military, that’s their bread and butter. My biggest disappointment with BHO is that he’s allowed the generals to lead him around by the nose.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 23rd, 2011
10:19 am
jm: “LWM 10:01 – see earlier post. And: “liberal” in the US does not mean what it did historically. Duh. Stop playing stupid liberal games. Or, I’m glad we can just call you guys “socialist” now since you admit it. ”
But, again, I don’t even see what’s so troubling to you about the word “socialist” even, since that’s clearly what we have RIGHT NOW as we speak, namely socialism for the bankers and Wall St. power class but something a little different for all the rest.
I challenge you to demonstrate that we do not NOW have a system that is effectively what Michael Lewis calls “socialism for the bankers and capitalism for everyone else”. I challenge you.
You won’t be able to prove otherwise.
So the result is that you fail to realize that the very status quo you defend is socialism.
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
10:19 am
Talk about CLUELESS…
General Secretary Obama didn’t even know that dropping the Capital Gains Tax INCREASES Revenue to the government; Unbelievable!
Clueless Comrade Obama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpSDBu35K-8
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
10:19 am
criminey, the UK and France have taken the lead in Libya and no one here considers us AT WAR.
Bosch has it right – you desperately need a Xanax. or a hug.
Cain Ain't Able
May 23rd, 2011
10:19 am
Someone please tell me:
What’s so WRONG with being a “community organizer”? Besides the fact that President Obama was also a CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY, before his Senate bid.
Get your history RIGHT, before you LIE … okay!
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
10:19 am
” that liberals are now pro-war.”
We aren’t IN a war, jm — except in Afghanistan, and it’s be reassessed since the death of OBL.
You need to take a Xanax and calm down this morning — you are at stroke level desperation.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
10:20 am
AmVet
Bush’s policies found bin Laden. The intelligence gathering found him. The military had him in their sights.
President Obama, can we proceed?
I’ll sleep on it and let you know.
Sure. Big accomplishment for the lawyer/community organizer.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:20 am
“As if there are any better principles in the modern republican party?”
Yep. They’re pro economic and regulatory freedom, they’re for a strong military, and small government. Those are good sound principles, and are generally universally accepted within the Republican party with the exception of some nut job religious conservatives.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:21 am
LWM 10:19 – when have I claimed that there isn’t “socialism” for bankers? I would agree with that statement.
The difference is, you’re in favor of it, I’m not.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
10:21 am
gll
It’s because your opinions are just that. You use weak stereotyping and typical radio talking points concerning the president. I get that you don’t like him but really, try to come up with your own reasons rather worn out talking points or fox propaganda…
Peter B
May 23rd, 2011
10:21 am
Yes Herman Cain has flaws. He is certainly not as eloquent or knowledgeable has past presidential candidates. He did not attend an Ivey League institution. I appreciate the idea of electing an individual who is not a career political elitist. That aspect alone makes this man more viable for me. I am more excited about Ron Paul but face the facts that he is too old and not pretty enough for the Time magazine crowd so I won’t get my hopes up, but if Obama can be elected then Cain can be.
That being said, You, Mr. Bookman are a prime example of the elitist’s hacks that are responsible for the disastrous situation our nation finds itself. A product of the baby boomer, hippicrats who have steadily pried liberty and freedom from the generations who have follow. Who are directly responsible for one of the worst educational systems in the westernized world. Who are continuously assaulting our first amendment guaranties and privacy rights. Who degrade the private sector in favor of the public sector. Who pretend to empathize with the “working people” while directly working against our best interests. Who have created generations of government dependent lazy illiterate myrmidons who are just electoral fodder during election years for the ruling elite. The neo McCarthyism movement. You are a cog in collective state-ist virus infecting our future, yet another media drone passing on the potus line No longer the people’s watchdog, so your rejection of Cain should, if anything, a reason to pay this candidate more attention.
Our right of return should be the return of opportunity and liberty to control our American destiny from the 60’s closet Marxists thieves who have steadily be stealing it from our generations.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
10:21 am
USinUK
This is why any debate started with you is useless. You can’t produce any sort of counterargument so you do what liberals try to do: dismiss and try to make a joke about how badly YOU have done.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
10:21 am
jm — “Obama is breaking the law. Time for impeachment.”
What law or laws, specifically, please?
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 23rd, 2011
10:22 am
Jay: “Leftwing, my favorite example of that phenomenon came when Jim Wooten wrote a column critical of Bill O’Reilly years ago, and he was deluged with emails attacking him as a liberal.”
Funny. Never mind if he was right or wrong. It’s that – horrors – he was a “liberal”. Sound the alarm!!
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
10:22 am
This whole thing about Bush getting credit for good stuff that Obama does, while Obama gets all the blame, only plays for the Republican base. Independent voters do not, in general, fall for such nonsense.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
10:23 am
jm
Except they lie about tax cuts, deficits, medicare, birth certificates, debt ceilings. How can anyone trust them after the first decade of this century going from surplus to massive debt during their watch? Not me….
jt
May 23rd, 2011
10:23 am
Remember………………………………………………………….
FREEDOM ISN’t FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
.
Nor is the health insurance policy that you will soon be required to buy……………….at gunpoint.
.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:23 am
Jay, do you find the flip-flopping your fellow liberals have to do over these wars comical, sad, or are you indifferent (apathetic) to the issue that your political allies have no moral or ethical consistency?
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2011
10:23 am
Obama didn’t know we had 50 states
[…]
At least Herman Cain knows there are only 50 states; not 57 or more
[…]
Barry Obumbles has not a clue as to what he is doing. What about his “57 states” comment while he was running for POTUS
Show of hands—anyone here actually believe that Obama didn’t know how many states we had, prior to when he made that campaign trail gaffe? Anyone?
(I just want to know what kind of a kiddie table we’re dealing with here.)
Surpirsed
May 23rd, 2011
10:23 am
What a racist. The only reason Bookman is saying he is bnot seriuos is because cain is black.
Racist
Racist
Racist
Racist
Racist Democrat
Racist
Racist
Racist
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
10:24 am
GLL – let’s see … economy improving, Osama dead … you’re right. we’re doing a horrible job.
and you wonder why we dismiss you.
Paul
May 23rd, 2011
10:24 am
Welcome to the winnowing, Mr. Cain. You haven’t made the cut.
Mitch Daniels is out. Looks like Romney with a possible challenge by Huntsman. Only two Republicans out there with appeal to the middle.
USinUK
Jay posted he sent my email address to the address you use to post.
Paul
May 23rd, 2011
10:25 am
Halftrack
“As a candidate he was all for exiting Afghanistan PDQ”
Cite?
If you review his speeches as candidate I think you’ll find the opposite.
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
10:25 am
Peter B:Who are directly responsible for one of the worst educational systems in the westernized world.
Cite please
Who are continuously assaulting our first amendment guaranties and privacy rights
*cough* Patriot Act *cough*
Who pretend to empathize with the “working people” while directly working against our best interests.
*cough* union busting *cough*
Funny, looks like many of your points are just projection…
jt
May 23rd, 2011
10:25 am
As you write out the check that goes to an insurance CEO bonus………………………
.
just scream …………………FREEEEEEEEEEEDOM.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
10:26 am
Bosch
Another brilliant liberal argument. Make a point pal. But then again, once you start discussing facts, you are really sort of screwed, aren’t you?
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:26 am
LWM – here’s the difference between you and me: you’re upset that not everyone is getting “socialism”, just the bankers. I’m upset anyone is getting / benefiting from “socialism”. Get it?
Mick 10:23 – Republicans can be a fickle and dirty sort too. On balance though, I’ll take their negatives over the Dem negatives. The worse a Republican can do is cheat on his wife or turn out gay. But a Democrat can ruin the country.
Jay
May 23rd, 2011
10:26 am
jm, i see no flipflopping. But I do see YOU becoming quite the drama queen here.
Impeachment, really? Well, since Boehner, Cantor, McConnell etc. haven’t raised so much as a peep about Obama’s alleged unconstitutional actions, you really ought to give them a call, don’t you think?
Is your cell phone within reach of your fainting couch?
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2011
10:27 am
Looks like Romney with a possible challenge by Huntsman. Only two Republicans out there with appeal to the middle.
Paul, you might not say that if you’d listened to “Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me” this weekend.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
10:28 am
GLL,
I’ve never seen you post a fact. Do so, one that’s real, and we’ll talk — otherwise, I’ll just keep thinking of you, along with jm, as the Hyperbole Twins.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
10:28 am
USinUK
Economy still in a horrible state. Most experts say that unemployment will be well above 8% in Nov. 2012
The Great Health Care Bill now has over 1,000 deferments, given as political favors.
Waterboarding linked to finding bin Laden.
Almost every real ally we have is quickly becoming distrustful of our government.
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
10:28 am
“It’s because your opinions are just that. You use weak stereotyping and typical radio talking points concerning the president. I get that you don’t like him but really, try to come up with your own reasons rather worn out talking points or fox propaganda…”–Mick
–More Talking Points from Liberal Talk Radio and MSNBC hate rhetoric, etc.
Hey Mick, how ’bout getting your own Schtick
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
10:28 am
Apparently jt is channeling his inner George Michael.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 23rd, 2011
10:28 am
jm: “when have I claimed that there isn’t “socialism” for bankers? I would agree with that statement. / The difference is, you’re in favor of it, I’m not.”
Ok, then. So we can agree on something.
Better not say that to loud. That might get you accused of being a “liberal”. And we can’t have that.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
10:28 am
gll
Here’s a fact that the right doesn’t want to fess up to, our massive debt is from un-needed bush tax cuts (2), two wars fought off the books, medicare part d, and finally tarp – go ahead now and tag that to obama and if you do, then you become a fool for ideology’s sake…
Confederate Truthteller
May 23rd, 2011
10:28 am
Jay Bookman is another reason mainstream, bow to the socialists, destroy the Constitution and States’ Rights newspapers are dead. DEO VINDICE!
exjupiter
May 23rd, 2011
10:29 am
Bookman, you are a shameful ignoanus.
Tinsel
May 23rd, 2011
10:29 am
July 22, 2008, Obama said: “Let me absolutely clear, Israel is a strong friend of Israel’s.”
In a townhall meeting, Obama said: “”The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries.”
Duh!
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
10:30 am
Bosch
Again. Prove why what I post is not factual. Can’t do it, can you.
You are pathetic.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
10:30 am
It seems that the conservascreaming has gotten off to an early and LOUD start today.
I wonder if they’re torqued because the Rapture Bus didn’t stop to pick them up over the weekend?
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
10:30 am
Show of hands—anyone here actually believe that Obama didn’t know how many states we had, prior to when he made that campaign trail gaffe? Anyone?
Anyone?
Bueller?….
Bueller?…
RB from Gwinnett
May 23rd, 2011
10:30 am
I’d say from Jay’s lack of a reply he endorsed her every time she ran.
So, do you still agree with what this anti-american nut case believes in Jay? Are you still endorsing her? Speak up Jay!
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
10:31 am
“jm, i see no flipflopping. But I do see YOU becoming quite the drama queen here.”
–Jay Bookman
So now JM is gay because he hit Jay right between the eyes with the truth.
I guess if they can’t argue with you, they attack your sexuality.
(straight from the Liberal playbook; slander and dishonesty)
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
10:31 am
Again. Prove why what I post is not factual. Can’t do it, can you.
Oh THIS should be good. I’m getting popcorn
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:31 am
Seriously bummed Daniels is out, but I understand his decision…..
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
10:31 am
Paul – I didn’t get it – but e-mailed Jay to see if he could resend.
willie lynch
May 23rd, 2011
10:31 am
Why is it that the U.S. seems to tread so carefully on it’s comments concerning Israel. Even if Israel is an ally does this mean any criticism has to be backed off because Israel turns it’s sights on you.
Everyone who aspires to public office in the U.S. seems to bow at the alter of Israel. This is a country who has been caught spying on us twice isn’t it?
So it’s OK for Israel to have a right of return but the not the Palestinians?
“Israel has a long record of being more gracious to its enemies than its enemies are to it”. Wow! There has been a report issued detailing the effects of malnutricion on the children of Palestines embargoed people. They lack clean water and the ability to get proper foods, their ability to travel has been restricted so even seeking medical care can take weeks. Essential functions like education and waste removal have been stifled by the Israeli government, even to the point of gasoline rations.
I say again there is no benefit in Israel reaching a “peace” agreement with the Palestinians because there is no reward for them to take away from it. The status of perpetual victim is one that is cultivated and fed by all who won’t stand up and say what’s wrong with Israeli policy. Instead every politician goes before AIPAC and bows down swearing that we will do everything in our power to support Israel in it’s inhumane treatment of others.
It is with this backdrop that Americans march in lockstep with their support and as science has told us for every action there is a reaction. They don’t hate America because their jealous, they have far more substantive reasoning to employ. There will never be any in that land as long as that peace is structured on lies, theivery and injustice. So I guess in that since America and Israel are blood brothers.
AmVet
May 23rd, 2011
10:32 am
GLL, I have no problem whatsoever with you embarrassing yourself, vis a vis giving Bush more credit than BHO for killing OBL.
The buck stops with the CiC.
Had something gone terribly awry, you faketriots would have gone batshiite crazy like you did when that helicopter and C-130 collided in the desert back in 1979. You sure have NO problems, at all, BLAMING Carter for that one, do you?
Capricious and duplicitous are your names.
And it fits in perfectly with your absurd claims about Obama being antisemitic.
Off to keep the corporate destruction of capitalism at bay for a little longer…
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
10:32 am
GLL,
“Prove why what I post is not factual. Can’t do it, can you.”
That’s like asking someone to prove there are no such things as little green men from mars, unicorns or the Loch Nes Monster.
“You are pathetic.”
Says the better half of the Hyperbole Twin. Do you have special wrist bands?
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
10:32 am
usmc
Walk softly and carry a big schtick…
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
10:33 am
“Show of hands—anyone here actually believe that Obama didn’t know how many states we had, prior to when he made that campaign trail gaffe? Anyone?”–Adam
Well, there is sort of a pattern. What is this Lackey saying?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxBX8sz3tO8
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
10:34 am
Mick
Are those the only reasons why we are in such bad shape?
If you think tax breaks hurt the economy,
“It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now … Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus.”
– John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president’s news conference
“Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government.”
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the Congress, fiscal year 1964
“In today’s economy, fiscal prudence and responsibility call for tax reduction even if it temporarily enlarges the federal deficit – why reducing taxes is the best way open to us to increase revenues.”
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 21, 1963, annual message to the Congress: “The Economic Report Of The President”
“It is no contradiction – the most important single thing we can do to stimulate investment in today’s economy is to raise consumption by major reduction of individual income tax rates.”
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 21, 1963, annual message to the Congress: “The Economic Report Of The President”
“Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the incentive for risk, investment and effort – thereby aborting our recoveries and stifling our national growth rate.”
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 24, 1963, message to Congress on tax reduction and reform, House Doc. 43, 88th Congress, 1st Session.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:34 am
“But I do see YOU becoming quite the drama queen here.”
Just taking a cue from the master.
jt
May 23rd, 2011
10:34 am
Bosch-
George is cool……………………………………regardless.
bucket
May 23rd, 2011
10:34 am
Following President Obama’s example I suppose it would be better for Cain to just voice his opinion about Iraq, Afghanistan, Gitmo, Israel, etc and then just do the opposite once/if he is elected.
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
10:34 am
GLL: You talk about facts, but all you post are lies. For example:
The Great Health Care Bill now has over 1,000 deferments, given as political favors.
Waterboarding linked to finding bin Laden.
Those are lies, not facts.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
10:34 am
Bosch
I offer facts. If you can disprove them, do so. If not stop whining like a spanked child.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
10:37 am
jt,
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
10:37 am
“Walk softly and carry a big schtick…”
Wise words Mick.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:37 am
Jay 10:26 – one more note.
I see gobs of flip-flopping on the left. The only reason Republicans aren’t calling him out on it is because they don’t want to appear hyper-partisan AND because they’re generally in favor of the expansion of executive power and they also supported huge expansions in federal power under Bush.
I accept the need to do some unpleasant things (surveillance, etc). But I’m not in favor of the expansive powers being granted the Executive branch by law, and by fiat. And I wish Democrats would at least attempt to adhere to the rules they try to apply to everyone else so as to not be so hypocritical (like Obama’s campaign fundraising reform rules which he himself tossed out the window).
Dems are a party adrift.
Mr. Snarky
May 23rd, 2011
10:38 am
Wow…what a lightweight Cain is. I can’t help but conclude that the fact that he’s getting any press at all is an indication of how week the repub field is. Looking forward to 4 more years!
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
10:38 am
GLL: Bush’s policies found bin Laden.
HA!! From an OpEd done by John McCain:
Former attorney general Michael Mukasey recently claimed that “the intelligence that led to bin Laden . . . began with a disclosure from Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who broke like a dam under the pressure of harsh interrogation techniques that included waterboarding. He loosed a torrent of information — including eventually the nickname of a trusted courier of bin Laden.” That is false.
I asked CIA Director Leon Panetta for the facts, and he told me the following: The trail to bin Laden did not begin with a disclosure from Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times. The first mention of Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti — the nickname of the al-Qaeda courier who ultimately led us to bin Laden — as well as a description of him as an important member of al-Qaeda, came from a detainee held in another country, who we believe was not tortured. None of the three detainees who were waterboarded provided Abu Ahmed’s real name, his whereabouts or an accurate description of his role in al-Qaeda.
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
10:39 am
“Economy still in a horrible state. Most experts say that unemployment will be well above 8% in Nov. 2012″
but it’s going in the RIGHT direction, not careening off a cliff, which is where we were on Jan 20, 2009
“The Great Health Care Bill now has over 1,000 deferments, given as political favors.”
and you have proof that they were given out as favors??? we keep hearing you and Pdiddy complain about it, but you guys never show any evidence.
waterboarding – oh? you know it was waterboarding? and what about all the waterboarding that didn’t give us ANYthing – or, even worse, gave us INCORRECT info … hey, gotta break a few eggs, right? (easy to say when it’s not your son)
again – almost every gov’t ally??? got proof of that?
“People around the world today view the United States more positively than at any time since the second Iraq war,” said Doug Miller, chairman of international polling firm GlobeScan, which carried out the poll with the Program on International Policy Attitudes (Pipa) at the University of Maryland.
“While still well below that of countries like Germany and the UK, the global standing of the US is clearly on the rise again.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/8626041.stm
nice try. FLAIL.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
10:39 am
“Just taking a cue from the master.”
Like I wrote, GLL and jm…the Hyperbole Twins.
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
10:39 am
Paul – I did – wasn’t there.
Jay
May 23rd, 2011
10:39 am
jm, if your explanation is that the GOP doesn’t want to appear hyperpartisan …. well, let’s just say that’s a very tough sell.
Don't Tread
May 23rd, 2011
10:39 am
No one with an (R) by their name takes anything seriously, according to liberals. Nothing new to see here.
I’ll bet Cain knows how many states there are in the US. I’ll also bet that he understands islands don’t capsize, regardless of how many people are on them. I’m also sure he doesn’t advocate passing a law to see what’s in it.
It could be argued that Democrats don’t take education seriously (except when passing tax increases to throw more money at the problem).
Realtalk
May 23rd, 2011
10:39 am
You are a Joke Jay! CT too! Not sure how you can get out of bed every morning with a job like this.
You both should be tried for Treason.
CAIN 2012
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:39 am
Free spending Bush + Dem Congress = fiscal disaster.
Morally corrupt Obama + Republican Congress = unlimited Executive Branch military power. Oy.
straitroad
May 23rd, 2011
10:39 am
Jay,
You might be correct. Cain might not be a legitimate candidate for president, but that doesn’t seem to be a requirement any longer. The election of Obama proves that this nation will elect anyone, regardless of track record or proven experience. Cain may not be the best candidate, but at least he has nothing to hide and he is a true American. He is better on his worst day than Obama is on his best.
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
10:40 am
GLL SAYS:
Again. Prove why what I post is not factual. Can’t do it, can you.
shall i point it out in one word?
DEMAND
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
10:40 am
Paul – because of my superior ability to bend space and time, I replied to your 10:41 at 10:39.
… and now, for my next magical trick …
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 23rd, 2011
10:40 am
willie lynch: “Why is it that the U.S. seems to tread so carefully on it’s comments concerning Israel. Even if Israel is an ally does this mean any criticism has to be backed off because Israel turns it’s sights on you.”
My, what a refreshingly reasonable and honest reflection (10:31). Shhh. Better keep it down. You’ll get yourself accused of being a liberal/socialist/fascist/Obama lover if you’re not careful.
Haven’t you heard this thought was declared out of bounds of the party line? The very act of thought itself – as Newt learned in the little firestorm he kicked off last week – has been declared out of bounds by the Stalinists at party central.
“Instead every politician goes before AIPAC and bows down swearing that we will do everything in our power to support Israel in it’s inhumane treatment of others”
But why bother having that argument when you can just seize on what was or wasn’t said in the speech given as evidence of scandalous betrayal. All you have to do is invent a meme (”he threw Israel under the bus”), circulate it, and the rest takes care of itself as actual thought gets shut down.
Paul
May 23rd, 2011
10:40 am
sfd
Thanks! I do enjoy that show.
One of my favorites was the segment where they read three news stories, two bogus and the object is to pick the real one.
The winner? Two teenage girls in Australia, I think Melbourne, decided to explore the underground tunnel system. Got hopelessly lost. Had cellphones. Their solution? They logged in to Facebook, updated their status and waited for a few hours for someone to read it and call the authorities.
Not…. kidding……
Paul
May 23rd, 2011
10:41 am
USinUK
Be sure to check the spam folder.
poison pen
May 23rd, 2011
10:41 am
There will never be any in that land as long as that peace is structured on lies, theivery and injustice. So I guess in that since America and Israel are blood brothers.
Willie, would you rather us be friends with terrorists?
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
10:41 am
straitroad — “Cain might not be a legitimate candidate for president, but that doesn’t seem to be a requirement any longer. The election of Obama proves that this nation will elect anyone, regardless of track record or proven experience. Cain may not be the best candidate, but at least he has nothing to hide and he is a true American. He is better on his worst day than Obama is on his best.”
If all that’s true, then why didn’t y’all try harder to draft Cain for Governor last year?
You could have gotten him elected instead of the walking indictment we’ve got, and Cain could have gotten some valuable governing experience for a later run at the presidency.
Frankly, I think all this talk from the right about how great Cain is and how wonderful a President he would be is just a bunch of wishful thinking paired with whistling past the graveyard. If he’s the best y’all have to offer, then I’m not worrying about 2012.
And no, I’m not afraid of him. By all means, get him nominated and run him against Obama. Please throw me in that briar patch, B’rer Fox.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:42 am
Jay, 10:39 – I think Boehner has been going out of his way to avoid being hyperpartisan. Now the rest (or a big chunk) of the Republican caucus, that is a different matter.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
10:43 am
Adam
As of JAn. 26, there were 729:
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/01/26/obamacare-waivers-jump-from-222-to-729-covering-2-2-million-employees/
Obama approved 204 more, just in the month of April:
http://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport/2011/05/19/pay-to-not-play-more-obamacare-waivers-pile-up/
So you still don’t believe there are more than 1,000?
Waterboarding:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703859304576305023876506348.html
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
10:43 am
“Seriously bummed Daniels is out, but I understand his decision…..”
Cheer up, Charlie. It won’t matter. General Secretary Obama will lose in 2012 anyway
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
10:43 am
(like Obama’s campaign fundraising reform rules which he himself tossed out the window).
the bill is called McCain/Feingold — THEY are the ones who authored it! Do you even attempt to speak the truth at least once daily?
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
10:44 am
Granny Godzilla
And yet another brilliant liberal argument.
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2011
10:45 am
If you think tax breaks hurt the economy,
GLL, what were the top income tax rates when JFK made those speeches?
and what were they after they were finally lowered, after LBJ signed it into law?
Also, as a bonus: Do you ENJOY having your head ripped off and passers-by making doodie down your neck?
jt
May 23rd, 2011
10:46 am
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
10:30 am
Show of hands—anyone here actually believe that Obama didn’t know how many states we had, prior to when he made that campaign trail gaffe? Anyone?
Anyone?
Bueller?….
Bueller?…
I’ll play your game………………..the likes of Obama,and most of the GOP field……………….don’t CARE how many states there are. To them, and their like-minded sycophants, the U.S. is just ONE big state.
They adhere to the silly and dangerous belief that “federal law” trumps “state law”.The idea of a state within a state is anathema to a centralized statist.(mere speed bumps).
.
Fortunantly, millions think otherwise and are accutely aware of our Declaration of Independence.
.
Basically, Obama and company wish to Detroitize all fifty states.Good,decent, and independent people everywhere wish otherwise.
.
Our only hope……………………………….Ron Paul.You will hear the people roar this leading up to 2012.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCFAzPl1QmE&feature=relmfu
(does anyone else hate that Veevo crap?)
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:46 am
DDR – I was referring to Obama’s promise to adhere to the federal matching funds process for campaigns which implicitly limits the amount that can be raised. Which Obama threw out the window before he was 1/2 through with his 2008 campaign.
Paulo977
May 23rd, 2011
10:47 am
USinUK
Fairness of Israelis?
What about this?
http://www.olivecoop.com/stage/articles/fairtrade-in-an-unfair-world-the-case-of-palestine/
cosby smith
May 23rd, 2011
10:47 am
Ahh Jay, Hreman is a Republican so all you want to do is discredit him. At least he thinks and analyss a situation which is more than we get from Barry Soretoro. And you jumped on Barry’s bandwagon as if he was the second coming of Christ, yet no one checked his background, up bringing and work experience. I learned from that election that a community organizer was a career path…guess next colleges will be adding a degree for that. but then, anyone can read from a script, but then he is a democrat.
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
10:47 am
dB – “GLL, what were the top income tax rates when JFK made those speeches? ”
is it me, or are your fingers getting cramped from having to type the same stuff every single day in response to their brainless talking points???
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
10:47 am
GLL
yep truth is a THE billiant liberal argument
while all you can manage has been epic fail after epic fail just in the last few hours….
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
10:48 am
gll
Posting all those quotes from kennedy proves what? Is there anything remotely similar about the early sixties and now, economically? I think not, especially the national debt…
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:49 am
DDR – since you’re so clueless, I’ll spoon feed it for you
Obama to Break Promise, Opt Out of Public Financing for General Election
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/06/obama-to-break.html
poison pen
May 23rd, 2011
10:49 am
The Great Health Care Bill now has over 1,000 deferments, given as political favors.
Adam, you are correct, they were mostly given out to union employees, no political favors there, snark.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
10:49 am
Joe Mama,
Good point — it appears Cain by-passed the obvious steps to the White House.
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
10:49 am
Paolo – preaching to the choir!
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
10:50 am
jt:They adhere to the silly and dangerous belief that “federal law” trumps “state law”.
Psssst hey jt…..it does! That’s why the US Supreme Court “trumps” all lower courts! Sorry.
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
10:51 am
Don’t Tread: I think Newt is taking the candidacy seriously, by having his own thoughts on different subjects. But that doesn’t work well when you have to pay the crazy tax. He may be taking it seriously, but he’s not very good at it right now
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:51 am
I hope Daniels gets a slot in the Republican administration. Treasury Secretary perhaps…..
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
10:51 am
straitroad: The election of Bush proves that this nation will elect anyone…
FYT.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
10:51 am
GLL,
You might want to call Leon and tell him that — see Debbie’s post at 10:38.
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
10:51 am
“DDR – I was referring to Obama’s promise to adhere to the federal matching funds process for campaigns which implicitly limits the amount that can be raised. Which Obama threw out the window before he was 1/2 through with his 2008 campaign”–JM
Here is Obama Lying 7 Times in 2 Minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfu1_Scgyow
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
10:51 am
jm
Obama’s promise to adhere to the federal matching funds process for cam
medium stinking lie
The truth is:
In November 2007, Obama answered “Yes” to Common Cause when asked “If you are nominated for President in 2008 and your major opponents agree to forgo private funding in the general election campaign, will you participate in the presidential public financing system?”
You’ll note McCain did finally (after much dancing and hand wringing)
went with private funding.
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
10:51 am
“They adhere to the silly and dangerous belief that “federal law” trumps “state law”.”
wow. that’s gotta win today’s prize for the scariest ignorance of how our government works.
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
10:52 am
GLL: I wasn’t talking about the NUMBER of waivers. The lie is that they were given as political favors.
poison pen
May 23rd, 2011
10:53 am
Hey everyone, quit picking on our Irish brother.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
10:53 am
USinUK
We have been going in the right diection for two years and we still have a 9%unemployment rate. And now inflation is setting in.
“and you have proof that they were given out as favors???”
People request a wavier. I’m pretty sure that people wouldn’t request a punishment.
Waterboarding? It depends on who you talk to. Whoopie Goldberg? No way.
Leon Pineta, absolutely.
Your article from the BBC is a year old.
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
10:54 am
“Good point — it appears Cain by-passed the obvious steps to the White House.”–Bosch
“Community Organizer?” is an obvious step to the White House???
Bosch and Cynthia McKinney; two peas in a pod!
Uncle Neal
May 23rd, 2011
10:54 am
I would not support anyone who, on live radio, refers to Neal Bortz as “Uncle Neal.”
What a disgrace!!!!
poison pen
May 23rd, 2011
10:54 am
USMC, that was awsome, 7 times in 2 minutes, loved it.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
10:54 am
usmc@10:51
Again??????????????? Give it a rest, it’s really a bit silly if put in context…
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
10:55 am
Mick
Business is business. Make the US a friendly place for business and our economy will recover. Demonizing business and they leave. Why is that so hard to understand?
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
10:55 am
USMC,
Can you guys just not admit that Obama wasn’t a community organizer one day and POTUS the next? You forgot College Professor, State Senator, U.S. Senator, then POTUS.
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
10:55 am
DDR – since you’re so clueless, I’ll spoon feed it for you
Soooo Obama changed his mind about that. Not being over “dramatic” here but I would’ve too if I’d out-raised my closest opponent by 1 million dollars. It would’ve been like Venus Williams deciding to stick with her option of playing tennis with one arm tied behind her back just so some silly European girl could win. Or an even better analogy would be Michael Jordan foregoing his legacy with the Bulls to sign with the Clippers in LA in order to get a better tan.
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
10:56 am
“I would not support anyone who, on live radio, refers to Neal Bortz as “Uncle Neal.” What a disgrace!!!!”—R@cist
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:57 am
Granny G “medium stinking lie” at least you admit it was a lie….. I’ll admit, its not the worst transgression in the world, but they all start to add up, in particular with those that have longer memories.
BehindEnemyLines
May 23rd, 2011
10:57 am
Easiest way to note who the rabid left fears is to watch who they attack. Thanks for the heads up.
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
May 23rd, 2011
10:57 am
Maybe Herman needs more time to form a strategy for Afghanistan much like Obama did for those many months when he didn’t send in the requested troops.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
10:57 am
**Demonizing business and they leave**
Please show me some concrete proof that is what this administration does…
jt
May 23rd, 2011
10:57 am
Progressive reasoning? ……the Supremes “trump” ONLY if you agree………..Thank God the good people of Milwaukee disagreed———————
“..I sympathize with the rescuers of Glover and rejoice at his escape. I rejoice that, in the first attempt of the slave-hunters to convert our jail into a slave-pen and our citizens into slave-catchers, they have signally failed, and that it has been decided by the spontaneous uprising and sovereign voice of the people, that no human being can be dragged into bondage from Milwaukee.”
Come and take it.
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
May 23rd, 2011
10:58 am
I say we let the citizens of all “57 states” determine whether or not Herman is a legitimate candidate.
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
10:58 am
GLL – Unemployment takes more than 2 years to recover from a regular recession. From a recession as severe as the one we just experienced, it’s going to take longer.
“People request a wavier. I’m pretty sure that people wouldn’t request a punishment. ”
yes. people requested a waiver. and they got it. just like the law allows. even that bastion of liberalism, Cracker Barrel.
again, unless you can show PROOF that it was done as a favor – or that Republican-leaning companies didn’t get one – it’s just you being a blowhard.
Leon Panetta said it wasn’t waterboarding that did the trick. you might want to reboot.
as for the BBC study – that’s the best you got – it’s a year old??? it’s still valid and completely disproves your point.
F-L-A-I-L – you wear it well.
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
10:58 am
57 states, community organizer, WORST PREZ, etc…
You guys have NOTHING.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
10:58 am
DDR “changed his mind about that”
Well, is that the dismissive comment you used with Bush finally figured out there weren’t any WMD’s in Iraq? I guess he changed his mind????
Oh, yeah, I can understand the decision and desire to win, forsaking your morals for pure political gain. But then again, I can understand why Bush made the decision he did on Iraq too.
Difference between you and me: you don’t (understand).
Don't Forget
May 23rd, 2011
10:59 am
Wow, over 300 posts in about 2 hours. Poor Jay workin his butt off while Kyle is kickin back with 62 comments in about 4 hours.
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
11:00 am
“Again??????????????? Give it a rest, it’s really a bit silly if put in context…”
I know Mick, it doesn’t feel very good getting BEAT over the head with the truth, does it?
This ones for you Mick; your favorite
Comrade Obama’s “Drunken Sailor” Spending is the most in the history of the U.S.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5yxFtTwDcc
jm
May 23rd, 2011
11:00 am
30% fewer publicly listed companies in the US than there were 30 years ago. Home Depot founder Bernie Marcus says HD could never have gone public under the new rules.
America: the best home for capitalism, now destroying it (under multiple administrations)
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
11:00 am
Leg Lamp: Oh really? Where am I sticking to talking points, exactly?
poison pen
May 23rd, 2011
11:01 am
USUCK, well, oh heck it’s just USUCK.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
11:01 am
USMC — “Good point — it appears Cain by-passed the obvious steps to the White House.”–Bosch
“Community Organizer?” is an obvious step to the White House???”
My point was — and is — that if Cain’s so great and fantastic a candidate, then y’all missed a golden opportunity in not drafting him to run for GA Gov last year. The GOP field was full of waste cases (Ray McBerry comes to mind; I won’t repeat some of the things I’ve heard him called) and we ended up with a Governor who bailed out on Congress in a screaming hurry to get away from an ethics charge with legs.
Y’all could have had Cain as governor — who y’all seem to like an AWFUL lot — instead of Nathan Deal, who barely squeaked out the nomination against Karen Handel.
What I think is going on here is that y’all really don’t like Herman Cain all that much (which is why y’all didn’t really consider him last year), and y’all are desperately reaching for a gimmick to beat President Obama. If y’all REALLY liked Cain so much, you’d have run him last year and he’d now have some governing experience for an eventual run for the White House.
I think y’all DON’T like him all that much, but instead look at him as more of a gimmick than anything else.
If you think that Obama was inexperienced and shouldn’t be President, then you should think the same thing of Cain. The fact that you don’t apparently think that makes me think that your criticism of Obama is insincere and your lionizing of Cain is, too.
I’m Joe Mama and I endorse this message.
Independent
May 23rd, 2011
11:01 am
The most important part of leadership is building a team and taking the advice as well as utilizing the strengths of the team. I would much rather have someone that knows how to build a team and has a successful business background to prove it than an academic that runs around looking clueless most of the time.
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
May 23rd, 2011
11:01 am
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
10:58 am
And you, sir, cling to the democrat talking points much like we conservatives “cling to our guns and religion”.
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
11:02 am
The torture apologists are wrong. There is no credit to be given to the Bush White House for allowing the use of torture. There is no evidence that the use of torture helped U.S. agents locate bin Laden. Whether it is called “torture” or “waterboarding” or “enhanced interrogation techniques,” it did not lead to the Navy SEALs raiding the al Qaeda leader’s compound in Pakistan.
In fact, there is evidence torture may have delayed the delivery of justice to the world’s most wanted terrorist. According to CIA Director Leon Panetta, intelligence analysts had to sift through false information acquired from detainees who were subject to enhanced interrogation techniques. In a letter to Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) obtained by The Washington Post, Panetta took great pains to correct the record on the enhanced interrogation question:
“We first learned about the facilitator/courier’s nom de guerre from a detainee not in CIA custody in 2002. It is also important to note that some detainees who were subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques attempted to provide false or misleading information about the facilitator/courier.” Panetta went on to say: “In the end, no detainee in CIA custody revealed the facilitator/courier’s full true name or specific whereabouts. This information was discovered through other intelligence means.”
This is not a matter of opinion — it is a matter of fact.
http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/juan-williams/162563-torture-did-not-lead-us-to-bin-laden
jm
May 23rd, 2011
11:02 am
Daniels: for Treasury Secretary! Even though in many ways that will be a step down / backwards….
poison pen
May 23rd, 2011
11:02 am
Geeze, even Gene Simmons is sick of him.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
11:02 am
Bosch – “So why do you constantly blame it on Obama?”
I don’t. But Obama is the current President. I prefer to look out the windshield rather than the rear view mirror (constantly). At some point, this is Obama’s economy, and he owns it, for better or worse. I know Dems would like to give him 8 years to get it right. The rest of us can’t wait that long.
GG – “there is very little beneath liars….”
Well, now you’re changing your tune on lying. I guess Obama is the rottenest of the dirties scoundrels, eh?
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
May 23rd, 2011
11:02 am
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
11:01 am
“The GOP field was full of waste cases…”
And the dems offered Roy Barnes.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
11:02 am
” (under multiple administrations)”
jm,
So why do you constantly blame it on Obama?
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
11:02 am
jm
ineffective dodge…
but apparently not beneath you –
there is very little beneath liars….
jt
May 23rd, 2011
11:03 am
USinUK -
Remember………………….the Supremes have deemed torture………………legal.
.
That’s how we roll……..dawg.
poison pen
May 23rd, 2011
11:03 am
USUCK, since when did the CIA include you in their briefings?
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
11:03 am
poisson – they let you out of school early today, did they? because if USUCK is the best you got … well … it’s rather middle-schoolish.
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
11:03 am
General Secretary Obama and his GOONS digging up dirt on Christie:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/research_destroy_yhiecoqPgh4cpbgEZ4gmmM
Chicagoland Style!
Peter
May 23rd, 2011
11:04 am
Cain and Palin..there’s a winner HA HA HA !!!!!!
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
11:04 am
jm: Well, is that the dismissive comment you used with Bush finally figured out there weren’t any WMD’s in Iraq? I guess he changed his mind????
OK you’re comparing campaig funding with a surge for the buidup of a WAR!! HAAHAHAHAHAHA — Too funny!! OMG please, please…stop with the comedy man!! You’ve made me squirt cofee all over my monitor!
Difference between you and me: you don’t (understand).
Oh no I understand. I understand that you need a loooooonnnnnggggg vacation. And maybe a little time away from your computer and from your radio…….
jm
May 23rd, 2011
11:04 am
Bosch / GG 11:02 – annoying. see my response at 11:02 at the bottom of page 7, courtesy of queue jumping, Blog Monster time warp
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
11:04 am
poisson – scroll up, dearie. read a bit. you might educate yourself.
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
May 23rd, 2011
11:05 am
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
11:02 am
“ineffective dodge…”
That’s why I don’t buy Dodge products anymore.
Tom
May 23rd, 2011
11:05 am
Ok, one guy is a former CEO of a successful company and the other guy is a former CO(Community Organizer)? Which do you like best? Also, I am sick and tired of my taxes going to aid middle eastern countries, when it should be going to help the people in this country where floods, tornadoes and natural disasters have occurred!!!!!!! This really pisses me off!! Also didn’t Pres Obama just talk about forgiving a billion dollar loan to Eqypt, that’s ridculous!! Our country needs that money, make them pay it back!!
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
May 23rd, 2011
11:05 am
So Obama wants to go back to the ‘67 borders?
Sounds like barry is running for president of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Uncle Neal
May 23rd, 2011
11:06 am
@USMC
Far from a racist…..I just worry if Cain is elected he will follow the Bortz doctrine..!
Sandra
May 23rd, 2011
11:06 am
Obama did say 56 states…..and he still got elected……some people do not listen at all to the news. They just vote because they look like them. Oh wait…if Cain wins the GOP ticket….what will people do?
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
11:06 am
usmc
Your version of the truth is a bit warped. You don’t have to dig very deep to find dirt on the big, heavy, bully boy of jersey. Another big flash in the pan, he is wearing out his welcome…
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
11:06 am
poisson – VERY grown up of you.
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2011
11:07 am
Soooo Obama changed his mind about that.
if you dig a bit and read the “promise” he’d made, especially this part:
“My plan requires both major party candidates to agree on a fundraising truce, return
excess money from donors, and stay within the public financing system for the general
election.”
obviously he left all kinds of doors wide open to back away. Film at eleven. Whoop de freekin do.
Vito Blatch
May 23rd, 2011
11:07 am
Hey Jay… I’m well read, have an MBA and yadda yadda yadda… I may not have known what “right of return” means either if put on the spot live. Which may be good.. it sounds like some liberal hippy drivel talking point anyway. Look – you, me, Obama, Hillary, whoever… we can all be stumped looking directly into a TV camera. It’s a gotcha game that we’ll see a heck of a lot of between now and November 2012. Obama was the least experienced candidate elected to be POTUS in quite a while… that’s speaks volumes about the available candidates both left and right, and even more about the electorate. But the good news for the GOP is that the “lack of experience” dog is sitting under a shade tree and he ain’t gone hunt.
Mudfoot
May 23rd, 2011
11:07 am
“Tax Cuts to SPUR the economy”
Yeah, just like Ronnie and George W would do, and we all know how well (NOT) that worked out. That whole “philosophy” of “trickle-down” is such an obvious fecal display it truly blow’s my mind that the GOP is STILL able to market it to their base. Yes, conservatives abhor open-minded people and avoid new additions to their thought processes, but COME ON! This is clearly an avenue for removing wealth from the middle-class and poor in America and giving it to those that are already wealthy and powerful… and IT’S WORKING… and yet middle-class conservative voters not only support it, they become advocates, because this is the “family values” and “morally superior” party in their eyes. Hint: screwing yourselves and the majority of others financially in order to get your “leaders” more money is not morally superior and does not demonstrate good family-values. It boggles the mind
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
11:08 am
Leg Lamp — ““The GOP field was full of waste cases…”
“And the dems offered Roy Barnes.”
Fine. All Democratic candidates for GA Gov sucked last year. That doesn’t change the fact that the GA Gov GOP field was populated by waste cases AND y’all COULD have run Herman Cain, but didn’t. NOW you all want us to believe that Cain’s like this incredible talent, but for some reason, he didn’t even REGISTER on y’all’s radar last year.
I think y’all are being very, very disingenuous about Cain, and I think he’s going to either drop out or flame out spectacularly on the campaign trail at some point.
But by all means, get him nominated and run him against Obama. I can’t wait to see that.
papajoe
May 23rd, 2011
11:08 am
If it were not for double standards liberals would have no standards at all. JB you don’t know crap! You wonder why the ajc can’t give away papers anymore!!!!! It’s people like you!
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
11:08 am
“and the other guy is a former CO(Community Organizer)?”
Tom, why did you purposefully leave out College Professor, State Senator, and US Senator?
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 23rd, 2011
11:08 am
Adam: “The election of Bush proves that this nation will elect anyone….”
And the election of that man a second time shows that sometimes the only thing to do in response to a stupidity is to cover it over with an even bigger stupidity.
Jay: I’m sorry. You forfeit any claim as a legitimate candidate if you do not even know what the term “right of return” means. As with the Afghanistan issue, it reflects not merely a lack of knowledge, but even worse, a basic lack of interest and respect for the high office that he seeks and for the voters who support him.
I see it as another step in imperial decline. As I’ve suggested before, I can easily imagine a situation in a couple of more decades where we’re literally unable – like Rome of the late empire – to find people capable of a basic intellectual grasp of the issues confronting the nation.
jt
May 23rd, 2011
11:09 am
USinUK and DDR————————–
You must put aside your silly morals.
SCCJ Roberts will supply them.
.
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
11:10 am
poisson –
the last gasp of the desperate “oh, yeah … well, you’re blogging at WORK!!!”
next thing, you’re going to point out that I live here, not in Atlanta, so why don’t I blog HERE …
Corey
May 23rd, 2011
11:11 am
I do recall a certain president that called out the Cambridge police department acting stupidly before even knowing a single fact… hey did you know there is 57 states in America??? But did you look at around and see all the marine CORPSE men…. that wouldn’t have been the guy who said he will sit down with dictators without preconditions would it??
Sorry Cain is still a more serious candidate than Obama…. I think 99% of America cares more about jobs and the economy then anything going on in the middle east… Americans might feel like getting involved in the middle east process after they find work and have money again.. Obama is toast on economic issues, do you really think the electorate is going to give Obama a mulligan on the economy!? sorry he gave us the stimulus that didn’t stimulate, he owns this economy come 2012, lock, stock and two smoking barrels.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
11:13 am
Oh and Tom, I also forgot POTUS on Obama’s resume…..funny you should forget that job title as well.
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
11:13 am
“Obama’s record, no matter how you choose to evaluate it is a failure”
ah, nope.
Adam
May 23rd, 2011
11:13 am
Corey’s 11:11 wins Most Talking Points in a Single Post award for today’s blog.
The Thin Guy
May 23rd, 2011
11:14 am
If Jay Bookman were a serious journalist he would know that Herman Cain is a totally serious well qualified presidential candidate. He doesn’t show up for his job interview with a teleprompter. He knows how to solve problems and unite real people. All of you libs are totally feckless. So if you are a lib go feck yourself.
Mighy Righty
May 23rd, 2011
11:15 am
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
9:50 am
Jack — “Cain is as qualified to be president as Obama.”
Obama’s held the job and has experience in it.
Cain has done neither.
Consequently, Obama is *far* more qualified to be President than Cain.
Joe: Doing a job poorly gets one fired not rehired. Obama’s record, no matter how you choose to evaluate it is a failure. Yes Obama has two years and three months experience. Plenty of time for we his employers to judge his performance. Right now most of us will not rehire him.
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
May 23rd, 2011
11:15 am
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
11:08 am
I never said Cain was a great candidate. Let him run. The voters will decide how effective they think he will be.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
11:15 am
I think Rick Perry would be fine. But the “Perry Drafters” are completely stupid if they don’t think the TX sized state budget deficits won’t be a political liability in the Presidential race.
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
11:16 am
At least Christie doesn’t have to waste money digging up dirt on Obama — the evidence on the most corrupt administration in living memory is already out there.
(Well said from David Jack smith)
ex: Obama’s Lack of Transparency and Backroom deals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu15Rr8SD7w
Herman Cain
May 23rd, 2011
11:17 am
Well now. If Jay and friends aren’t afraid of me, why do they keep talking about me? Eight pages of posts in a couple of hours isn’t too bad for an unqualified candidate.
willie lynch
May 23rd, 2011
11:18 am
poison pen
May 23rd, 2011
10:41 am
I don’t think the people of Uganda found Idi Amin to be the a benevolent ruler. Nor is Moshe Dayan cosidered a hero by Arabs. Augusto Pinochet was one of the most murderous leaders of the last 30 years. Each of these men enjoyed American support.
It’s been said one man’s terrorist, is another man’s freedom fighter. There is no lie in that observation.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
11:19 am
Righty — “Joe: Doing a job poorly gets one fired not rehired.”
Disagreeing with how a man does his job does not = “(d)oing a job poorly. I disagree with how some CEOs run their businesses, but that doesn’t mean they’ve done a poor job.
“Obama’s record, no matter how you choose to evaluate it is a failure.”
I disagree. I see quite a few successes; we would no doubt disagree regarding whether they represent successes or failures.
“Yes Obama has two years and three months experience. Plenty of time for we his employers to judge his performance.”
I suspect you’d made your judgment before he was even inaugurated, so I’ll disregard your assessment. K?
“Right now most of us will not rehire him.”
Given current polls, I don’t believe that’s true.
Scooter (The Original)
May 23rd, 2011
11:19 am
I guess it is better to tell the electorate what they want to hear, then do what the situation requires later. Seems that is what The Obama did. I prefer honesty over blatant lies or misstatements born of naivety and overinflated ego.
GBO
May 23rd, 2011
11:19 am
“Right to Return”…never heard of it. But I remember the 1967 War very well. If the middle east powers have heartburn over lost territory maybe the next time they won’t be so quick to pick a fight like they did 40 plus years ago…and got their backsides kicked good. Bookman, you should read more military history and less liberal, pinhead, academic ivory tower talking points.
The US (read Obama) is a fool for even suggesting they give back the Golan Heights and Obama shows a total lack of military awareness to even suggest such. From the Golan Heights the Palestinians could and would rain down missiles on Israel daily just like they did then.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
11:19 am
“Right now most of us will not rehire him.”
Except for the fact that your wrong….
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html
RIGHTISWRONG
May 23rd, 2011
11:20 am
The truth is that we are headed in the “right”(correct..lol) direction and the American people will ratify that when they re-elect President Obama.
Herman Cain and the rest of the Right’s traveling political circus will crash like dominoes as we get closer to the election and folks realize that they do not want to follow the Republicans off of the cliff. The republicans are always slick and sneaky so they will have parachutes (for them, their friends and relatives), jet-packs, and other ways to save themselves while the average American tumbles thousands of feet to their demise.
Sorry your voucher only paid for that treatment, not this one your gonna die soon.
Sorry all the money you paid into the system (for 40 years) is gone, no Social Security for you.
Sorry your granddaughter was raped and impregnated, she MUST have the baby.
Sorry, WE RICH, are not paying anymore taxes!
Sorry that I make MILLIONS, and pay less % taxes than you do!!!!
These republicants are just plain: SORRY…. very narcasistic…..ewwww….
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 23rd, 2011
11:20 am
The Thin Guy: “If Jay Bookman were a serious journalist he would know that Herman Cain is a totally serious well qualified presidential candidate. He doesn’t show up for his job interview with a teleprompter. He knows how to solve problems and unite real people. All of you libs are totally feckless. So if you are a lib go feck yourself.”
Teleprompter? That the best you got?
“All of you libs” you say?
Just what is a “lib”, Thin Guy?
jm
May 23rd, 2011
11:20 am
Jay, how can you roast Bush all day long on Iraq, and give Obama a free pass on an unauthorized war? Or have liberals just become complete prostitutes?
Mighy Righty
May 23rd, 2011
11:20 am
Corey
May 23rd, 2011
11:11 am
TRUE, TRUE
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
11:21 am
Leg Lamp — “I never said Cain was a great candidate.”
I never said *you* did. I was making a larger point when you chose to respond. I posted in response to you to clarify.
“Let him run. The voters will decide how effective they think he will be.”
They certainly will. Assuming he even gets that far, which I do not think he’s going to do.
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
11:21 am
“Herman Cain doesn’t take the presidency seriously”–Jay Bookman
More “GOTCHA” slander politi(k)s from the Left-wing Liberal Socialists
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
11:21 am
USMC
Most corrupt?
Did he sell arms to contras?
Did he lie about WMD?
Did he do the nasty with an intern?
Did he cover up a break in?
no babycakes, he’s clean – you just hate him – and that makes you dirty
Tom
May 23rd, 2011
11:21 am
1,200 at the Centennial Olympic Park announcement Saturday?
Jay, could you take over the annual estimation of my property taxes?
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
11:22 am
jm: I don’t. But Obama is the current President. I prefer to look out the windshield rather than the rear view mirror (constantly).
In other words, “I REFUSE to blame Bush for the things he did wrong!!! Instead I’ll put ALL the blame on Obama and will never, never, never, ever, ever admit, even under direct torture, that Obama is actually doing a good job. So. Help. Me. God!”
jm: Remember………………….the Supremes have deemed torture………………legal.
LOL!! Still with the jokes I see!!! The Supremes have NOTHING to do with Addendums and conditions of War, OR with treaties that were signed by the US with other nations. Dude, stop with the comedy man!! Someone is going to think that you’re actually serious!!!
Sandra:Obama did say 56 states…..and he still got elected……some people do not listen at all to the news.
Hmmm Sandra did you happen to hear this one from Bush or what about this one:
“So I analyzed that and decided I didn’t want to be the president during a depression greater than the Great Depression, or the beginning of a depression greater than the Great Depression.” –George W. Bush, Washington D.C., Dec. 18, 2008
And can you believe people actually VOTED for him? TWICE!!
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
11:23 am
Herman Cain — “Well now. If Jay and friends aren’t afraid of me, why do they keep talking about me? Eight pages of posts in a couple of hours isn’t too bad for an unqualified candidate.”
I daresay we’d post as much if Peewee Herman were an announced candidate for President. And our posts wouldn’t be indicating *fear* of him any more than it indicates fear of you.
By all means, run. And I hope you get the nomination, Mr. Cain.
moonbat betty
May 23rd, 2011
11:23 am
I don’t even know why anyone would run against obama.
This is hell and obama rules it.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
11:23 am
DDR 11:22
““I REFUSE to blame Bush for the things he did wrong!!! ”
I look forward to you finding that quote from me. Stop putting words in my mouth you spinmeister.
also of note, I never wrote this: “Remember………………….the Supremes have deemed torture………………legal.”
You really are unhinged DDR.
GBO
May 23rd, 2011
11:23 am
Obama’s “change” is how much money working Americans will get to keep after they support the 50% of the families who pay NO payroll tax.
Dan
May 23rd, 2011
11:24 am
“I want to get all the facts but on the surface the police were wrong”. Words from President Obama, As it turned out the more facts we learned the police were not wrong. What is wrong with wanting to have facts and experts before jumping to a policy you are then tied to? On the ‘right of return” issue, does that apply to those who were forced ut and the ones that left willingly?
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
11:24 am
“how can you roast Bush all day long on Iraq, and give Obama a free pass on an unauthorized war?”
What unauthorized war? Do you again mean Libya? When those two conflicts get anywhere in the same universe as being equal, then get back to us.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
11:25 am
Um Bosch 11:24 – the transgressions are equal.
1 guy spun the case to go to war but believed it was the right thing to do, then got permission.
The other guy isn’t spinning any case. As a matter of fact, he isn’t making any case. He’s engaging in a war without permission from anyone, dictator in chief.
If you ask me, the latter transgression is 100 times worse.
Mighy Righty
May 23rd, 2011
11:26 am
Bosch–Read it and weep.
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Monday, May 23, 2011 Email to a Friend ShareThisAdvertisementThe Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 26% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Thirty-six percent (36%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -10 (see trends).
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
11:26 am
btw, USMC – you’re still evil for “Too Legit to Quit”
just thought I’d let you know.
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
11:26 am
Bosch – “When those two conflicts get anywhere in the same universe as being equal, then get back to us.”
dude. seriously.
the oy goes off the charts.
Tom
May 23rd, 2011
11:27 am
Bosch – Thanks for the reminder, my badd!!! Ok, I’ll try again, on one hand a successful businessman and on the other a politician(from Chicago-city of questionable candidates), college liberal intellect, and CO(Community Organizer). Sorry for the omissions? Is that better? I am an Independent and I think it’s about time for a proven businessman instead of a politician! If you vote for just skin color, that issue should be put to bed now! Have a nice day!!!!!!!
Give the guy a break
May 23rd, 2011
11:27 am
Jeez. Breaking his bawls because he froze up for a moment on the subject of “right of return” during a critically important TV interview? Lighten up.
If you ever had any real exposure to tough issues outside of your windowless cubicle at a dying newspaper, you might have the experience of being put on the spot and locking up momentarily. It happens to all of us.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 23rd, 2011
11:27 am
From Politico:
“I love it when the skeptics want to criticize me because of lack of foreign policy experience. I know that you don’t throw your friends under the bus. You don’t need to have years in the State Department to figure that out,” Cain said, picking up the line of attack on President Barack Obama’s position on Israel expressed in his Middle East policy speech at the end of last week.
On Sunday morning, though, he came up blank when asked by Fox News host Chris Wallace about the Palestinian right of return.
“The right of return,” Cain asked, pausing before asking again. “The right of return?”
When Wallace explained that the issue concerned whether Palestinian refugees should have the ability to automatically enter and gain citizenship in a Palestinian state, Cain deferred, saying it was Israel’s choice, but offering few specifics.
I love how the right – always the hawks – shifts imperceptibly into saying categorically that it’s all about what Israel wants. In effect: “whatever Israel wants, it gets”.
So does Israel get to roll back history or reconfigure geography just because it ‘wants’ to, or does it have to put its pants on one leg at a time like all the other mere mortals in the world?
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55484.html#ixzz1NBpG90bv
Andrew
May 23rd, 2011
11:27 am
Jay -
In your opinion, by what criteria should voters judge candidates?
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
11:27 am
Funny how GLL disappeared when confronted with the facts he was asking for….
Misty Fyed
May 23rd, 2011
11:28 am
Sooooo. You criticize Cain for witholding an opinion on what he would do until he gets all of the facts.
Obama on the other hand has balked on all his major campaign promises regarding foreign policy and that is just fine with you.
So let me get this right. To appeal to a liberal, its more important to spout rhetoric, regardless of the facts, than to frame an opinion based on fact.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
11:29 am
Tom — “Ok, I’ll try again, on one hand a successful businessman and on the other a politician(from Chicago-city of questionable candidates), college liberal intellect, and CO(Community Organizer). Sorry for the omissions? Is that better? I am an Independent and I think it’s about time for a proven businessman instead of a politician!”
So you’re going to write *Trump* in for President?
poison pen
May 23rd, 2011
11:29 am
willie lynch
May 23rd, 2011
11:18 am
poison pen
May 23rd, 2011
10:41 am
I don’t think the people of Uganda found Idi Amin to be the a benevolent ruler. Nor is Moshe Dayan cosidered a hero by Arabs. Augusto Pinochet was one of the most murderous leaders of the last 30 years. Each of these men enjoyed American support.
It’s been said one man’s terrorist, is another man’s freedom fighter. There is no lie in that observation.
Willie, Do you agree with our policies regarding those men?
jt
May 23rd, 2011
11:29 am
DDR-
Prostrate yourself to nine lawyers.
.
That is your right.
.
I myself will never.
.
Ron Paul 2012.
poison pen
May 23rd, 2011
11:30 am
Give the guy a break
May 23rd, 2011
11:27 am
Jeez. Breaking his bawls because he froze up for a moment on the subject of “right of return” during a critically important TV interview? Lighten up.
If you ever had any real exposure to tough issues outside of your windowless cubicle at a dying newspaper, you might have the experience of being put on the spot and locking up momentarily. It happens to all of us.
He has, working under Tucker, that’s enough to make any man freeze up.
Finn McCool
May 23rd, 2011
11:31 am
I think it’s about time for a proven businessman instead of a politician!”
Wasn’t that the reasoning for voting for W? Evn though he was a complete an utter failure at all things business, ya’ll still threw that out there. “He knows business”
Look where that got us…..
Texas Tea
May 23rd, 2011
11:32 am
Would you rather have someone who lied, like Obama? When are the troops coming home? He said during his campaign they would all be coming home, but it appears as if more are being shipped to other countries to fight.
Jay
May 23rd, 2011
11:32 am
Break, I’d be sympathetic with Cain if it looked at all like a case of brain freeze. I think that as a rule, way too much is made of momentary lapses from people who are required to be speaking on the record 18 hours a day.
But that’s not what happened. As Cain demonstrated by his answer, he had no idea what right of return meant. It was totally unfamiliar to him. This is not a potato(e) moment.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
11:32 am
You know, the reason a guy like me, with two lifelong Democrat parents and a sister who’s a Democrat (though all three are rapidly learning), and who until 2010 voted Democrat, is inclined to vote Republican this time around (and in 2010) is because of the complete and utter loss of any principles.
Look up Hypocrite in the dictionary, and there’s a damn Donkey right next to it.
Good little liberal
May 23rd, 2011
11:32 am
USinUK
Nobody’s flailing. You haven’t proven anything (what a surprise!!!)
And a year ago, Obama hadn’t turned his back on our best allies. The BBC story is out of date,
Now here’s a BBC story from last week:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13418957
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
11:32 am
Sorry jm you were correct, you didn’t say that. That was jt. I get all you little j’s confused sometimes. My bad..
Don't Forget
May 23rd, 2011
11:33 am
Does anybody know if we’ve ever had a president who never served in public office prior to becoming president? Maybe Ike, but I can’t think of anyone else off hand.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 23rd, 2011
11:34 am
poison pen: “If you ever had any real exposure to tough issues outside of your windowless cubicle at a dying newspaper, you might have the experience of being put on the spot and locking up momentarily. It happens to all of us.”
Awww.
He froze up.
Poor guy.
Had to wipe away a tear at that one.
Contractor
May 23rd, 2011
11:34 am
Jay,
Since you put it that way, what do you think a voter should have knowledge of before they are allowed to vote? Because we have all heard the questions and side walk interviews during the last election where Obama supporters didn’t even know who their vice president would be, or any of his policies, so I want to know from you what kind of intelligence a voter should posses in order to elect the primary voice and leader of this country?
JD
May 23rd, 2011
11:35 am
Jay, after all these years we’re still trying to figure out if you’re a serious journalist.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
11:35 am
I think I might be a Huntsman guy since Daniels is out…..
Huntsman says he won’t decide until June whether he’ll get in the race, but his five-day swing through New Hampshire this weekend showcased an organization that’s prepared to run a classic New Hampshire primary campaign: a large and sophisticated team of advance staffers, local consultants and a cadre of national advisors who were with the former Utah governor as he met with key political hands in the state and made close to a dozen retail stops.
At the VFW post here, Huntsman walked in to find World War II Air Force veteran Tom Machaud playing pool. Huntsman challenged him to a game, and spent about 15 minutes playing while photographers looked on. Huntsman lost the game — he had left three stripes on the table when Machaud sank the eight ball.
But he won over the 83-year-old Machaud.
“I’ll vote for him,” Machaud said. “He’s for real.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55464.html#ixzz1NBr8xhQl
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2011
11:36 am
Give the guy a break
oh dearies. that sounds like the “soft bigotry of low expectations” to me.
poison pen
May 23rd, 2011
11:37 am
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
11:24 am
“how can you roast Bush all day long on Iraq, and give Obama a free pass on an unauthorized war?”
What unauthorized war? Do you again mean Libya? When those two conflicts get anywhere in the same universe as being equal, then get back to us.
Bosch, we shouldn’t be in any of them, it seems that all we do is stir sh*t up around the World, no matter how big or how small. Both Pres were wrong about this.
willie lynch
May 23rd, 2011
11:38 am
poison pen
May 23rd, 2011
11:29 am
No.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
11:38 am
Huntsman setting up shop in FL says it all. This guy is playing to win, because FL is the biggest brass ring out there.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
11:39 am
The great thing about the election of 2012 is that it will settle the argument of which side holds the majority view, I’m pulling for a democratic rout. Go dems annihilate the repubs once and for all….
Say Rah
May 23rd, 2011
11:39 am
I believe you should have a right to return magazines that you do not read.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
11:40 am
DDR 11:32 – yeah.
Maybe I should go upper case…. but that would be so egotistical…. 
Don't Forget
May 23rd, 2011
11:40 am
Huntsman is still “re-inventing” himself and flip flopping on all the major issues.
Southern Comfort
May 23rd, 2011
11:40 am
Obama’s “change” is how much money working Americans will get to keep after they support the 50% of the families who pay NO payroll tax.
http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/willease1/a.jpg
jm
That photo’s for you….
GOP Voter
May 23rd, 2011
11:40 am
Jay,
I am a proud Republican voter who NEVER agrees with you — until now. Cain’s not a serious candidate. At least the attention to his Middle east flubs, distracts from his answers to the debt crisis during that same interview. He went on and on about the “Cain Doctrine” on this and that. Then, when Chris Wallace pressed him on specifics, Cain admitted that the “Cain Doctrine” isn’t possible right now.
Say what?
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
11:40 am
One would think it would take a little bit more research than a game of pool to be “won over”.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
11:40 am
Mick 11:39 – well since I’m going to (almost certainly) vote Republican in 2012 (in FL – new job starts in 3 weeks), we could make a handshake deal to not go vote since you’re a blue lock. But I’m not certain you’d keep your end of the bargain…
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
May 23rd, 2011
11:41 am
Jay
May 23rd, 2011
11:32 am
Nor is it a Biden “three letter word….J..O..B..S…” moment.
JD
May 23rd, 2011
11:41 am
Huntsman is nothing but a puppet of the Obama administration. The only reason his name is thrown around is because the media know he would roll over and take it from behind from Obama. Anyone who falls for his song and dance is a fool.
Jay
May 23rd, 2011
11:42 am
jm, Huntsman has no more chance of winning the GOP nomination than I do.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
11:42 am
SoCo 11:40
– “pure BS”
Mick 11:40 – I know far more than that….. and I didn’t say I was won over… yet
Mighy Righty
May 23rd, 2011
11:42 am
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
Your position is Israel doesn’t have a choice. They must bow to the United Nations or the United States?
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
11:43 am
Dan: As it turned out the more facts we learned the police were not wrong.
Oh of course they weren’t!! Police are NEVER wrong!! Why they just did a little racial profiling, found out that they harrassed the wrong man, then they arrested the 60+ crippled man, who didn’t have a weapon, or even charged them with his cane, because they felt “threatened” by his verbal attack. All that talk of “LAWSUITS!!” and “I KNOW MY RIGHTS!!” scared them witless!
jm: 1 guy spun the case to go to war but believed it was the right thing to do, then got permission.
The other guy isn’t spinning any case. As a matter of fact, he isn’t making any case. He’s engaging in a war without permission from anyone, dictator in chief.
Don’t try to back out of it now. You were comparing the build up of Iraq (a WAR) to Obama’s campaign funding. Where is all that “moral perpitude” you were lauding just a few minutes ago? It seems to me that it went out the window when you were called out for being a DRAMA QUEEN.
Texas Tea: Would you rather have someone who lied, like Obama? When are the troops coming home? He said during his campaign they would all be coming home.
No he didn’t. Do you people EVER tell the truth?
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
May 23rd, 2011
11:43 am
Don’t Forget
May 23rd, 2011
11:40 am
did Huntsman use to go by the name “John Kerry”?
Don't Forget
May 23rd, 2011
11:44 am
No he didn’t. Do you people EVER tell the truth?
I’m assuming that’s a rhetorical question.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
11:44 am
JD – disagree. The guy has a very good chance of winning the whole shooting match. (So would Romney)
You want Palin to be the nominee and lose the General, and have 4 more years of Obama?
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
11:45 am
Bookman: “I’m sorry. You forfeit any claim as a legitimate candidate if you do not even know what the term “right of return” means.”
I’m sorry. You forfeit any claim as a legitimate opinion columnist if you do not even know what the heck you’re writing about until you consult your daily DNC talking points.
The above line makes as much sense as yours does, Jay.
I think those in the media, including Chris Wallace, are in it for the “gotcha” factor, fostered by Watergate-style “journalism” since the ’70’s. Find an obscure reference and spring it on an interviewee and sit back to watch the reaction real-time, and post interview.
As you can see in the update: “In this light, should the “right of return” “be negotiated,” as I said, “if that is a decision that Israel wants to make”? Certainly, and to reiterate, it’s Israel’s call. Israel has a long record of being more gracious to its enemies than its enemies are to it, and this would be yet another example of that. But is the “right of return” a moral imperative? Is it something Israel must grant? Is it something the United States ought to encourage?
The answer is no on every count.”
Herman’s stance is the Constitutional one, and has been from the start.
Scooter (The Original)
May 23rd, 2011
11:45 am
Jay you amaze me. I just remembered when Russia invaded Georgia and The Obama said he would use the United Nations to resolve the issue. Now come on, any intelligent person knows Russia has veto power on the UN. But like most things regarding The Obama, the “media” was mesmerized with “Hope and Change” and gave him another pass.
RB from Gwinnett
May 23rd, 2011
11:46 am
“More “GOTCHA” slander politi(k)s from the Left-wing Liberal Socialists”
USMC, after Jay’s last hit piece on Cain, he was called a communist by his fellow journalists and based on his support of C. McKinney, I’m not sure you can argue that.
Southern Comfort
May 23rd, 2011
11:47 am
jm
Got a new bs-meter, and soon as I hit the page, it went ballistic…
http://tinyurl.com/3tp46qp
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
11:47 am
McCain/Palin 2012The GOP dream team.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
11:47 am
DDR 11:43 – I did make the Iraq war – Obama campaign promises comparison, but in a different context. Ie, I wasn’t arguing the magnitude. I would agree that the “mistake” Bush made on Iraq was far more serious than Obama electing to opt out of federal financing.
“when you were called out for being a DRAMA QUEEN. ”
I don’t sweat being called a Drama Queen, from the Queen of Drama Queens. Furthermore, if Jay’s judgment is what you use to validate your opinion of people, you really are a lost soul.
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
11:48 am
“btw, USMC – you’re still evil for “Too Legit to Quit” just thought I’d let you know.”USinUK
I hope you didn’t have that G-d awful song in your head all weekend…
Let me guess, your significant other caught you “humming” the tune on several occasions?
I definitely owe you
JD
May 23rd, 2011
11:48 am
All of you who are making a big deal out of Cain’s appearance on inside-the-beltway TV shows need to get your priorities straight. When will you ever learn that worrying about how the media feels about GOP candidates and wanting to be liked by the beltway boys leads to DNC victories 100% of the time??? You are the same people never got any in college because you had to go change your pants every time a girl looked at you.
Tom
May 23rd, 2011
11:50 am
Well Jay. you’re not a serious or legitimate writer/journalist, so I guess that makes you and Cain even.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 23rd, 2011
11:51 am
If you want to know why Huntsmann has ZERO chance for the nomination, read no further than this post here by JD:
“Huntsman is nothing but a puppet of the Obama administration. The only reason his name is thrown around is because the media know he would roll over and take it from behind from Obama. Anyone who falls for his song and dance is a fool.”
Besides, watching him interviewed last week by John King, I saw him commit at least 3 cardinal sins. The most important of which was simply that he showed his basic respect for thought.
He shows that he actually knows how to think.
And that right there is why he will never have a hope in hell in this current GOP party.
Frankly I found his naivete a bit touching. He actually thinks the old gentleman’s rules of politics still apply. But he’s sadly mistaken.
Tom
May 23rd, 2011
11:52 am
JoeMama- Are you a die-hard politician type supporter or do you want the best candidate regardless of party?? Don’t you find it questionable his support of middle-eastern Muslim countries(including forgiving Eqypt a billion dollar loan) instead of focusing of the USA with serious issues of jobs, gas prices, immigration, etc(just to name a few). We need a President of the USA not NATO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let those foreign countries solve their own dam problems, I’m sick of being the the World’s policeman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2011
11:53 am
Sounds like a kid who failed a test and blamed it all on “trick questions”.
but, enough about Sarah.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
11:53 am
jm
Where in florida?
Don't Forget
May 23rd, 2011
11:54 am
I think those in the media, including Chris Wallace, are in it for the “gotcha” factor, fostered by Watergate-style “journalism” since the ’70’s. Find an obscure reference and spring it on an interviewee and sit back to watch the reaction real-time, and post interview.
Obscure reference?? Right of return is an obscure reference now? Wow. Sounds like a kid who failed a test and blamed it all on “trick questions”.
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
11:54 am
Roger Ailes must be a closet Democrat because he’s sure picked some real winners with Sarah and Herman and Mike and Newt and…
Who does he have in store for us next. Santorum, Christie. How ’bout Glenn Beck for president. hehehe
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
11:55 am
Tom — “JoeMama- Are you a die-hard politician type supporter or do you want the best candidate regardless of party??”
I was a Republican for about 20 years, so yeah, I was a die-hard politician type supporter. Then y’all made it clear you didn’t want me, my vote or my donations around any more. Message received.
“Don’t you find it questionable his support of middle-eastern Muslim countries(including forgiving Eqypt a billion dollar loan) instead of focusing of the USA with serious issues of jobs, gas prices, immigration, etc(just to name a few). We need a President of the USA not NATO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let those foreign countries solve their own dam problems, I’m sick of being the the World’s policeman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
I’m sorry; I don’t take posters seriously if they use more than a dozen exclamation points in a single post. I suggest you try decaf.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
11:56 am
Jay, you probably also thought Kasim Reed didn’t stand a chance early in his campaign….. (even though you endorsed him in late October). Meanwhile, I plowed in $1,500 in support of the guy early on….
Doc
May 23rd, 2011
11:57 am
Call me crazy, but I think Herman Cain will emerge as a dangerous candidate. He is a Morehouse man, and nearly every black family in America has that conservative uncle/aunt/mama/grandmother/father who thinks that liberal issues are crazy. Ironically, Cain will lead many to reconsider what it means to be a black man/woman in American politics. He can’t simply be written off as an Uncle Tom.
-What’s interesting to me is that I have several middle class, southern baptist members of my family who would respond well to Cain’s message. They don’t want higher taxes, they hate healthcare reform, they want law and order, are against abortion, don’t care much for social programs (especially welfare) and can’t stand gay people…….the black community has a whole gang of closet and confused conservative.
http://thyblackman.com/2011/05/22/dr-boyce-watkins-quick-thoughts-on-the-dangers-of-gop-herman-cain/
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
11:57 am
jm @ 11:25
The fact that you DO equate Libya and Iraq shows your total disregard for the men and women who died and were injured in that conflict. Shame on you for doing so just to score empty political points.
Darko
May 23rd, 2011
11:58 am
Did I mention Bookman isn’t a legitimate journalist? And that the AJC isn’t a legitimate newspaper?
The AJC (and Bookman) have been bounced out of several “interviews”, just look at the rapidly declining circulation numbers.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
11:59 am
Darko,
Yeah, and I file such remarks as “empty thoughts from empty folks”
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
12:00 pm
jm
Well good luck and welcome to S. Florida. Make sure your A/C is on tip top shape cause it’s gonna be a broiling summer ahead…
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
May 23rd, 2011
12:01 pm
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
11:59 am
“empty thoughts from empty folks”
Isn’t that the Muslim Brotherhood’s motto?
Tom
May 23rd, 2011
12:01 pm
JoeMama – So the issue is exclamation points not issues of this country, now I understand what you are all about.(Notice no exclamation point there) Afraid to talk about the middle eastern countries, I bet the voters will consider it next election and I am not a Republican, just a very concerned Independent.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 23rd, 2011
12:02 pm
Mighty Righty: “Your position is Israel doesn’t have a choice. They must bow to the United Nations or the United States?”
My position is that Israel has nothing BUT choices. And choices are exactly what they’re making, right now, whether they acknowledge it or not. Continuing to refuse to take genuine, good faith steps towards a resolution is a choice and one that will have increasingly dire consequences.
What I was pointing out is the fact that the right has quickly settled on this position that whatever Israel wants is what it wants.
And that is to abandon the task of THINKING, an art the right wing has all but perfected in recent years.
And this from a movement that used to lecture us on how Democrats were all lock-step, cliche-spouting lemmings.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
12:02 pm
Mick 11:53 – a blue district in S FL.
Bosch 11:57 – wrong. But your lack of understanding the importance of Libya indicates your total disregard for the rule of law.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
12:02 pm
Bosch 11:57 – oh yes. (Jay pre-apologies for this)
“disregard for the men and women who died and were injured in that conflict”
And F You for saying that.
jconservative
May 23rd, 2011
12:02 pm
The Obama administration supports the policy announced by Clinton in 2001 that”… the creation of a Palestinian State and the Palestinian right of return [to Israel] are mutually exclusive.”
Both Bush and Obama have supported this position. I cannot imagine a US president not supporting this position.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:03 pm
“Obscure reference?? Right of return is an obscure reference now?”
Yeah, Don’t Forget. An obscure reference. As in not everyone needs to know everything about everything when running for President, especially when one’s beliefs support the U.S. Constitution, written by people who told us to “beware of foreign entanglements”.
Where's My Party?
May 23rd, 2011
12:03 pm
What our country needs now more than ever before is a leader, not a politician. Can Cain be that leader? I would like to see his thoughts on who his Cabinent members would be. That would go a long way towards deciding my vote.
jconservative
May 23rd, 2011
12:05 pm
The Obama administration supports the policy announced by Clinton in 2001 that”… the creation of a Palestinian State and the Palestinian right of return [to Israel] are mutually exclusive.”
Both Bush and Obama have supported this position. I cannot imagine a US president not supporting this position.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
12:05 pm
jm — “But your lack of understanding the importance of Libya indicates your total disregard for the rule of law.”
What legal principle, exactly, are you talking about here? I asked you earlier what you were trying to say on this topic, but you either missed my query or chose not to reply.
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
12:06 pm
“I would like to see his thoughts on who his Cabinet members would be.”
Let’s get Rush Limbaugh, Neal Boortz, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Bill Oreilly, Michael Savage, and Glen Beck for starters… and Sarah Palin of course
LOL! I thought I would get your blood boiling with that one.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
12:06 pm
Enter your comments here
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
12:06 pm
USMC – YES, I had the danged song in my head all weekend … made me LONG for the Rapture!!!
GLL – “You haven’t proven anything”
so, if the BBC poll is so wrong and so out of date, prove otherwise! g’head … show evidence – which you have yet to do about ANYThing.
poison pen
May 23rd, 2011
12:07 pm
The New York Post has reported that Obamas team is trying to dig up dirt on Christie because they are afraid that he might run for Pres.
Maybe Jay can do a hatchet job on him tomorrow.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
12:07 pm
Look’s like christie is the wannabe hail mary pass from the right except, he ain’t running or walking considering his weight….
jm
May 23rd, 2011
12:08 pm
Joe Mama 12:05 – see the “war powers act”. Also, the part of the constitution that says only Congress can declare war.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
12:08 pm
jm,
Struck a nerve I see.
@@
May 23rd, 2011
12:11 pm
potato(e) moment.
In the 19th century, potato was spelled with an “e”. Much like towne and olde.
I kinda like the old english spellings.
Obama tweeted Lybia instead of Libya. Not a problem, I knew what the country he was referencing.
Much ado about nothing but then that’s what jay’s all about…nothing.
poison pen
May 23rd, 2011
12:12 pm
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
12:07 pm
Look’s like christie is the wannabe hail mary pass from the right except, he ain’t running or walking considering his weight….
And Mick, It’s one thing to dissagree with someone about their policies however it’s pretty pathetic that we have to start ripping on people about their looks. What do you look like?
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
12:12 pm
jm — “Joe Mama 12:05 – see the “war powers act”.
You need to read the War Powers Act yourself, because President Obama hasn’t violated it — at least, not yet. I know *very well* what it says.
“Also, the part of the constitution that says only Congress can declare war.”
We haven’t *gone* to war against Libya. I presume you were as upset about our involvement in Iraq, given that we didn’t declare war there, either?
Fix-It
May 23rd, 2011
12:13 pm
And you think Obozo was qualified? For what would be my question, lemonade stand running would be a good start…
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
12:13 pm
“Obama tweeted Lybia instead of Libya”
not nearly as funny as when Bosch talks about people being viscous. makes me laugh every time.
(love ya, Bosch!)
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
12:14 pm
Why would anyone even entertain the thought that Iraq and Libya military actions have anything more in common than the side of the Atlantic they’re on.
@@
May 23rd, 2011
12:14 pm
Oops! No “what”
IHB
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
12:15 pm
“Look’s like christie is the wannabe hail mary pass from the right except, he ain’t running or walking considering his weight….”
Sounds like you are discriminating against “weight challenged”–Americans, Mick.
What did they ever do to you besides eat the last slice of pizza???
@@
May 23rd, 2011
12:16 pm
USinUK:
Bosch has used viscous to describe me.
Gives me that gooey feelin’.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
12:16 pm
Bosch 12:08 – you did. Insinuating anything about how I feel about the loss of life, and the large non lethal casualties, is insulting. You have no idea how I feel about the wars, and our military.
Joe Mama 12:12 ” we haven’t gone to war” by whose definition? Oh, and I have read it. 90 days buddo
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
12:18 pm
All you folks who keep blathering on about being qualified, try running for any office first, then winning. Once you’ve done that, try running for president. Fight through all the primaries for six months and win that. Get to the general election and campaign non-stop for the next four months then win that election to become president. When you win, you are immediately qualified for four years…
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
12:18 pm
@@ –
it always makes me think Sid Viscous should be the spokesperson for WD-40
Midori
May 23rd, 2011
12:19 pm
The New York Post has reported that Obamas team is trying to dig up dirt on Christie because they are afraid that he might run for Pres.
Jesus – I haven’t seen so many “scared” democrats in my life!!
The only thing Obama has to fear from Christie is that Christie will eat him.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:20 pm
The War Powers Act is nothing but an invitation to interventionism. Period.
There isn’t a single use of the War Powers Act where the security of the United States was directly threatened. None.
It has never been seriously challenged in court, but it needs to be. If you put American servicemen and women into combat over another country’s border, you should need a declaration of war from Congress to do so. The War Powers Act merely feeds into the desire of do-gooders and those who do not respect the sovereignty of other nations to interfere, when they wold be the first to claim sovereignty if anyone dared interfere in ours.
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
12:21 pm
unlike the Queen, Obama actually sampled their wares!!
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/obama_rooting_for_ireland_european_Olr7hpHM9jp4BgkMx5nZCP
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:22 pm
“The only thing Obama has to fear from Christie is that Christie will eat him.”
Or fall on him.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
12:22 pm
Dave R 12:20 – and it exempts chicken-sh-t Congress from making hard decisions. Although it does serve a purpose in the event of an emergency, but like everything out of DC, it gets massively abused.
Curtis Durden
May 23rd, 2011
12:22 pm
Jaw Bookman, you are not credible or viable as a source of information. Why don’t you tell us about Obama’s vast experience that qualified him to be president. What has the man really done? Increased our debt, imposed unwanted govt. mandates, made friends with enemies and enemies of friends. Why are you lefties so in love with him? He is not credible, nor experienced, should not be president, and it’s people like you and your couple of followers that enable the Obamas in this world. If you compare the two resumes, education, real job experience, and their ideas on this countries future, the only credible and legitimate candidate is Herman Cain.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
12:23 pm
jm — “Joe Mama 12:12 ” we haven’t gone to war” by whose definition?”
We didn’t get a war declaration for Iraq, therefore Iraq couldn’t have been a war, right?
And we’re nowhere *near* as militarily involved in Libya as we were in Iraq, so if Iraq wasn’t a war and Libya’s not as much of an involvement as Iraq, then Libya can’t be a war.
It’s really simple, jm. If you’re going to condemn Obama once we’ve gone over 90 days in Libya, then logically, you have to condemn President Bush for Iraq. On the flip side, if you give President Bush a pass for Iraq, then logically you have to give President Obama a pass for Libya.
Frankly, I’m coming down *against* our involvement in Libya once things go over 90 days there. But don’t look to me to vote Republican, because the GOP’s still defending our undeclared war in Iraq.
My only question here is which way will you go? For both, against both or will you instead become a flip-flopping partisan?
“Oh, and I have read it. 90 days buddo”
Then get a calendar, because we’re not at 90 days yet, ‘friendo.’ :p
Wondering ?
May 23rd, 2011
12:23 pm
If Cain had merely voted “Present” would Jay say he was qualified?
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
12:24 pm
Dave –
get in mah belly!
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:24 pm
“Dave R 12:20 – and it exempts chicken-sh-t Congress from making hard decisions.”
Isn’t that a redundant statement, jm?
jm
May 23rd, 2011
12:25 pm
Joe Mama- you’re a real jack-ss aren’t you
“We didn’t get a war declaration for Iraq, therefore Iraq couldn’t have been a war, right?”
AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ RESOLUTION OF 2002
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/html/PLAW-107publ243.htm
Bye Joe Mama, you so discredit yourself, you’re clueless or a moron
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:26 pm
Oh, and jm? Ignore Joe Mama. I do, now. I learned early on why he was no longer welcome in the GOP.
Insufferable a$$es aren’t welcomed in too many places.
pb
May 23rd, 2011
12:26 pm
All of you who love Herman Cain, remember we are in GA and most of you are too biased in his favor, because of the local connection. The rest of the country has hardly heard of him. In addition, he does not have enough money to compete on a national level. And although a “different” type of candidate, he seems to not know all the issues that well. Ultimately, he will lose out to better canidates.
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
12:26 pm
Mick hit the nail on the head. Obama was experienced enough to get elected which was more than the GOP nominee, with all of his years of service as a professional politician, was capable of doing.
Jay
May 23rd, 2011
12:26 pm
It’s already been taken down, Dave R.
Cynthia Who?
May 23rd, 2011
12:27 pm
And Obama was more legitimate? No business experience, a community organizer who’s inititives in Chicago have failed, and a short term congress member who voted present for everything. Give me a break. You and Cynthia are the most biased writers I have every seen. You too are part of the Obama fan club
jm
May 23rd, 2011
12:27 pm
Dave R 12:24 “redundant” yes, I guess so
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:28 pm
Thank you, Montrell D for finally playing the “uncle tom” card!
Coulda made money on THAT happening . . .
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
May 23rd, 2011
12:28 pm
Montrell D
May 23rd, 2011
12:25 pm
I kind of figured we couldn’t get through lunch without a lib playing the race card.
BeeJay
May 23rd, 2011
12:29 pm
When will AJC rid themselves of this clown?
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
12:29 pm
I learned early on why he was no longer welcome in the GOP.
Spoken like a true “I’m not a Republican” party member.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
12:30 pm
jm — “Joe Mama- you’re a real jack-ss aren’t you”
Nope. I’m honest, forthright and I push back.
“We didn’t get a war declaration for Iraq, therefore Iraq couldn’t have been a war, right?”
I love it when they do this.
“AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ RESOLUTION OF 2002
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/html/PLAW-107publ243.htm”
Not seeing anything in there about a declaration of war. Please point out to me exactly where in that document war is declared.
“Bye Joe Mama”
Bye, jm. Whereya going? (pointing, laughing)
“you so discredit yourself, you’re clueless or a moron”
Show me where Congress declared war against Iraq, please.
Midori
May 23rd, 2011
12:33 pm
USinUK @ 12:24
good one, Dave!!
whoa!! Joe Mama – you’re the MAN!!! You made jm stop hiding behind his thesaurus :0
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:33 pm
“Obama was experienced enough to get elected which was more than the GOP nominee, with all of his years of service as a professional politician, was capable of doing.”
Which is all the blind left has when the ensuing results of 2+ years of failure and his lack of real-world experience is called into question. Goofy could have posted “Well, he got himself elected, didn’t he – gawrsh?” (and has many times), but that doesn’t wipe away this woeful President’s lack of leadership, business and economic experience from day one, and continuing through 2011.
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
12:34 pm
Wake up people! Owning a part of the major banks in America is not a bad thing. We could make a profit while solving a problem. But the mainstream media and the free market purists want you to believe that this is the end of capitalism as we know it. …These actions by the Treasury, the Federal Reserve Bank and the actions by the Federal Depositors Insurance Corporation (FDIC) are all intended to help solve an unprecedented financial crisis.
Herman Cain 2008
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:35 pm
“Spoken like a true “I’m not a Republican” party member.”
The difference is that I left voluntarily due to policy differences, Taxxie.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
12:35 pm
Dave R. — “Oh, and jm? Ignore Joe Mama. I do, now.”
Your attention is welcomed, Dave. Have a nice day.
“I learned early on why he was no longer welcome in the GOP.”
Because they don’t like people who disagree with certain parts of the party line, and because there are assumptions and presumptions they don’t want questioned by any of the party membership.
“Insufferable a$$es aren’t welcomed in too many places.”
Come now. The GOP has been most welcoming of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter. (laughing)
Don't Forget
May 23rd, 2011
12:35 pm
Where’s My Party?
May 23rd, 2011
12:03 pm
What our country needs now more than ever before is a leader, not a politician.
What is needed are leaderS/politiciansS that will work together to solve the nation’s problems rather than pursueing ideology at all costs. One guy can’t do it alone, the structure of our government won’t allow it.
Curtis Durden
May 23rd, 2011
12:37 pm
How tough was it for Obama to get his senate seat? The one that set him up for a premature trip to the White House. Just because you can get away with something on a technicality doesn’t mean you should. Where’s the honor and pride. I don’t get that from this president.
Jack
May 23rd, 2011
12:37 pm
Why is the right of return only applicable to Jews, Bookman? It was the Jews who dispossessed the Palestinians, remember? 60+ years of lies, fudging the facts, dodging the issue, ignoring countless UN resolutions, ethnic cleansing, apartheid and trying to re-write history can’t change that.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
12:38 pm
dave r
Do you remember nov 08? You and others make it sound like all the president had to do was_______ and everything would be hunk dory. Unfortunately, in the real world, there was this big pile of dung left at the doorstep and a crater a mile deep in the backyard. Reconstruction takes some time my friend, or don’t you realize that simple fact?
Race Card
May 23rd, 2011
12:38 pm
Jay, you’re just being a racist.
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
12:40 pm
Obama has done more to fix this country in the past two years than Bush did in his eight years. Nothing Goofy about that. All the Republicans are able to do is proclaim Obama a failure because, well, that’s all they have — faux proclamations.
McCain/Palin 2012. Another sure-fire winning ticket brought to you be the Republicans. Good luck with that.Chris Matthews
May 23rd, 2011
12:41 pm
Obama is the one who is clueless on everything! Worst President in American history! Pee Wee herman would be better than Obama!!!
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
12:42 pm
Dave R. — “The difference is that I left voluntarily due to policy differences, Taxxie.”
Aaaaand that’s different from *my* experience how, exactly?
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
12:43 pm
The difference is that I left voluntarily due to policy differences
You couldn’t sell ‘em on the advantages of the FairTax™
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:44 pm
Yes, Mick, I DO remember Nov 2008. I also know what caused it.
Unfortunately, Hope & Punt ™ doesn’t and has acted precipitously in trying to fix a problem he knows nothing about with solutions he doesn’t know what will accomplish.
Take a look at all the local governments that are going to raise taxes THIS year (or lay people off), because there is no longer any temporary Federal money to prop up THEIR lack of cojones when things got bad two years ago.
You’re about to see the beginnings of the double-dip recession, Mick, because one-time spending to prop up an economy (while accumulating massive debt you have no plan to pay down) never works in the long-term.
getalife
May 23rd, 2011
12:46 pm
They love him in Ireland.
Showed him guzzling some real beer much stronger than our beer.
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
12:47 pm
” We don’t need to rewrite the Constitution of the United States of America, we need to reread the Constitution and enforce the Constitution. … And I know that there are some people that are not going to do that, so for the benefit of those who are not going to read it because they don’t want us to go by the Constitution, there’s a little section in there that talks about “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
You know, those ideals that we live by, we believe in, your parents believed in, they instilled in you. When you get to the part about “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,” don’t stop there, keep reading. Cause that’s when it says “when any form of government becomes destructive of those ideals, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it.” We’ve got some altering and some abolishing to do!”
Herman Cain – Last Saturday
it’s the Declaration of Independence that states those things Mr. Cain not the Constitution
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
12:47 pm
jm 11:47 am: DDR 11:43 – I did make the Iraq war – Obama campaign promises comparison, but in a different context. Ie, I wasn’t arguing the magnitude
Which context?
I don’t sweat being called a Drama Queen, from the Queen of Drama Queens.
OK then I’ll call you the Drama Princess — I’ll take the crown as the Queen.
pp: The New York Post has reported that Obamas team is trying to dig up dirt on Christie because they are afraid that he might run for Pres.
It’s called P-O-L-I-T-C-S.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:47 pm
“Obama has done more to fix this country in the past two years than Bush did in his eight years.”
Not intended to be a factual statement.
They both were and are miserable Presidents.
truthpaste
May 23rd, 2011
12:49 pm
I use to hear on the Cain show, many callers that were so eager to get him to run for President. Where are you guys now, more importantly, where are those dollars that he clearly doesn’t have? Seems like his supporters were more hope and change than anybody else.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 23rd, 2011
12:49 pm
Dave R. “The War Powers Act merely feeds into the desire of do-gooders and those who do not respect the sovereignty of other nations to interfere, when they wold be the first to claim sovereignty if anyone dared interfere in ours.”
Tell that to the neocons.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:51 pm
“Where are you guys now, more importantly, where are those dollars that he clearly doesn’t have?”
We’re here, as are the dollars.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:51 pm
“Tell that to the neocons.”
LWM, as you know, I do. Would that others could be as consistent . . .
Keep Up the Good Fight!
May 23rd, 2011
12:51 pm
Pee Wee herman would be better than Obama!!!
Well at least with Pee Wee the Republicans would only be playing with themselves instead of trying to screw the entire country over and over. Pee Wee does however have a great handle on most of the Fox/Republican talking points…..pure childishness
Kamchak
May 23rd, 2011
12:53 pm
According to five lawsuits filed in federal court in 2004, Aquila’s board of directors—which Cain joined in 1992—allegedly steered employees into heavily investing their retirement savings in company stock. At the same time, the company shifted its business model from straightforward energy generation to risky energy trading, an unregulated market made infamous by now-defunct Enron. The suits, later folded into a single, massive class action (PDF), alleged that Cain and top company officials violated a 37-year-old federal law requiring that employers manage employees retirement programs responsibly. (Cain’s presidential exploratory committee did not respond to a request for comment.)
Presidential?
We’ll see.
Jay
May 23rd, 2011
12:55 pm
Actually, no you’re not, Dave R. (at least, not if you’re using the plural “you”):
http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/herman-cain-were-not-broke/
Tippy Canoe
May 23rd, 2011
12:56 pm
Dorkman- roll off your Obama doll and get a clue.
HDB
May 23rd, 2011
12:57 pm
pb
May 23rd, 2011
12:26 pm
When Herman Cain ran for the US Senate in Georgia, he got NO support from the GOP in Georgia…nor did he garner significant votes from South Georgia; if we extrapolate that to the Presidential race, there NO WAY that Cain could get 12% of the vote in GOP primaries…….
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
12:58 pm
LWM, as you know, I do. Would that others could be as consistent
Not intended to be a factual statement.
Wow. That was so easy. I should do it more often.
sven
May 23rd, 2011
1:01 pm
Looks like the lame-stream media has another scalp. he can sympathize with palin.
Captain Comet
May 23rd, 2011
1:02 pm
You’re ignorant….nu-huh YOU ARE. Stupid neocon…stupid liberal….Love the intellectual debates on Bookman’s blog.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
1:03 pm
Dave R. “LWM, as you know, I do. Would that others could be as consistent . . .”
Doing so in 2003 got me called un-American, a terrorist sympathizer and a pro-Saddam pacifist.
And I’m a *disabled Army veteran,* for crying out loud.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
1:05 pm
Reading comprehension is your friend, Jay:
“Concerns over Mr. Cain’s ability to raise funds stems from a recent FEC report, which shows Mr. Cain’s Hermanator PAC with just $13 in contributions.
“The Hermanator PAC, we ceased that at the end of January — at the end of December. So, the people who are looking at the Hermanator PAC account, that’s inactive account,” Mr. Carin said. “We opened up a new one called Friends of Herman Cain which we will file July 15th, according to the FEC.”
Me? I can wait until July 15th to KNOW whether Herman is being supported monetarily, rather than idle speculation not born of facts. Feel free to continue your policy of idle speculation, however.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
1:05 pm
“Dorkman- roll off your Obama doll and get a clue.”
OK, crass, but funny!
Mr Right
May 23rd, 2011
1:06 pm
Well Tim Pawlenty announced he is running so it won’t be long till we hear from Jay blasting him for something! I guess that’s what Jay does so bring it on!!
The Commisison To BRING WOW BACK!! and other stupid Human Tricks
May 23rd, 2011
1:07 pm
BRING WOW BACK!!
Bookman unfair!!! WE MISS WOW!! Please bring him back from purgatory!!! He’s all alone over at Barr’s Blog with no one to play with except himself!!
Paid for by the committee to bring WOW back onto Bookman’s blog so that he can post 1,000 posts about nothing all day.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
1:07 pm
“When Herman Cain ran for the US Senate in Georgia, he got NO support from the GOP in Georgia”
Also known as the “We have to support Johnny Isakson at all costs” strategy.
There is no “favorite son” in this election to prop up, HDB.
Billings
May 23rd, 2011
1:08 pm
Obama was experienced enough to get elected which was more than the GOP nominee, with all of his years of service as a professional politician, was capable of doing.
Obama won because of an accomplished campaign staff. David Plouffe should have been elected president. The leftwing media should have been his veep.
larry
May 23rd, 2011
1:08 pm
Romney, Pawlenty, Cain, Johnson
Yet to decide, Palin, Bachman
It does not look good for the POG.
Wizard
May 23rd, 2011
1:09 pm
When a president (Obama) hasn’t accomplished anything positive, he and his comrades have to bash someone else.
MPercy
May 23rd, 2011
1:09 pm
“It’s really simple, jm. If you’re going to condemn Obama once we’ve gone over 90 days in Libya, then logically, you have to condemn President Bush for Iraq. On the flip side, if you give President Bush a pass for Iraq, then logically you have to give President Obama a pass for Libya.”
Nope. Say what you want about Mr. Bush, but at least when he took us to war in Afghanistan and Iraq, he did so having sought UN sanctions (on Iraq, esp.) and then Congressional approval before taking any actions. While not technically a declaration of war, it does undercut the oft-repeated “Bush’s illegal war” mantra, albeit this rebuttal usually is rewarded with a “well, Bush lied to Congress and tricked them into voting for the war”.
Mr. Obama, Mr. Biden, and Mrs. Clinton (then all sitting Senators) staunchly stated that if Mr Bush were to take action against Iran, without Congressional support, he would be be doing all manner of wrong things.
So when Mr. Obama ignores his own stated position and those of his VP and SecState, bypasses Congress entirely and strikes Libya, even if it was the right thing to do, I don’t have to give him a pass. Similarly, even if I disagreed with Mr. Bush’s war on Iraq, I at least can acknowledge that he played by the rules, such as they exist. Which is more than Mr Obama has done and is doing.
Let’s put this another way. Imagine a world where Mr. McCain had prevailed in the election. What would be the reaction of the left and the media (or did I repeat myself?) if Pres. McCain had initiated the exact same action on Libya for the exact same reasons. Would *anyone* on the left be defending the actions? I strongly doubt it.
Mr Right
May 23rd, 2011
1:09 pm
Larry— Any of those would be BETTER than that money spending, deficit skyrocketing, driving the country broke guy we have now!
getalife
May 23rd, 2011
1:11 pm
Jay is correct.
Cain is a joke not worthy of serious discussion of being a serious candidate.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
1:13 pm
dave r
Sometimes or most times your answers lack clear thinking. It just so happens that the smart local gov’ts took the stimulus money and banked a percentage of it, knowing full well that stimulus money would sunset. They spent a little and put the rest into reserves until the economy starts rebounding. Don’t blame incompetent local gov’ts on the federal gov’t. I don’t think anyone would meet whatever it is you’re looking for in a president, that mythical figure doesn’t exist…
sven
May 23rd, 2011
1:15 pm
The Irish love Obama.
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
1:16 pm
Percy: Nope. Say what you want about Mr. Bush, but at least when he took us to war in Afghanistan and Iraq, he did so having sought UN sanctions (on Iraq, esp.) ‘
The sanctions on Iraq were started after the first Gulf War, the sanctions in Afghanistan started after the Taliban took over the government. PS: History classes are always ongoing at KSU — they can be your very best friend………………
Jefferson
May 23rd, 2011
1:16 pm
Cain has ZERO chance.
getalife
May 23rd, 2011
1:17 pm
Lets face it cons.
You got nothing.
Four more years!
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
1:18 pm
“driving the country broke guy we have now!”
Sorry, fella – Former President Bush and his side kick supply siders were the GPS on that one
When will we stop blaming Bush for the economy? Never, there is no statute of limitations on causing a near depression.
We may perhaps forgive him when we finally get the mess cleaned up.
Perhaps.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
1:18 pm
“You have no idea how I feel about the wars, and our military.”
Well, if you are going to insist upon equating Libya with Iraq, it’s painfully obvious you don’t give a rat’s ass about the men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice for this nation and instead care more about using them to score empty political points. Again, shame on you.
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
1:20 pm
Are you Republicans sure, I mean, really sure, really, really sure, that Pawlenty is ready, this time.
Don't Forget
May 23rd, 2011
1:25 pm
Bark stripped from trees in Joplin tornado. Hard to even imagine that.
Don't Forget
May 23rd, 2011
1:27 pm
I believe Willard Mitt Romney is gonna get the nomination.
Free Wheel
May 23rd, 2011
1:27 pm
There’s a big difference between running a business and acting as the President of the United States. Cain just proved why success in running a pizza business (into the ground) would not translate into success in leading a nation.
It’s not just about dollars and cents. It’s not about keeping the shareholders happy. It’s about diplomacy and nuance and all the things that businessmen aren’t concerned with.
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2011
1:28 pm
Doing so in 2003 got me called un-American, a terrorist sympathizer and a pro-Saddam pacifist.
And I’m a *disabled Army veteran,* for crying out loud.
As it did my F-i-L, a WWII Navy vet. What a country, huh?
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
1:31 pm
You also have no legitimate claim to be taken seriously if your basic knowledge of Europe and WW2 history is so appalling that you don’t know that the Austrians speak German- not Austrian as Obama claimed.
SouthGeorgia
May 23rd, 2011
1:32 pm
Well, let’s see. If the choice is between Obama and Cain, it is definitely CAIN! Obama has had his chance and he blew it.
Free Wheel
May 23rd, 2011
1:33 pm
If the choice is between Obama and Cain, it is definitely OBAMA! God knows how deep in the ruts of hell this country would be in today had McCain and Palin walked into the economic disaster inherited by Obama.
tony
May 23rd, 2011
1:34 pm
The current guy in the WH thought we had 57 states! News flash libs, BO IS an empty suit. My mother thinks BO is the second coming, and he is not. Face it, most Black folks I know (except me and my Pops) voted for BO because he was a democrat and Black…period. Sad, but true.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
1:35 pm
**Is Obama going to campaign in 50 states this time or 57 states like he did the last time?**
Weak, really weak…I guess when you become president no slip of the tongue allowed…
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
1:35 pm
Taxpayer,
Is Obama going to campaign in 50 states this time or 57 states like he did the last time?
St Simons - we're on Island time
May 23rd, 2011
1:36 pm
If I were a con, I too would want to change this important subject.
I probably wouldn’t want to believe in evolution, either.
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2011
1:36 pm
so appalling that you don’t know that the Austrians speak German- not Austrian
Yeppers. referring to Austrian Standard German as “Austrian” clearly disqualifies this President. He should resign!
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2011
1:37 pm
The current guy in the WH thought we had 57 states!
jeez, the stupid is really burning bright today…
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
1:38 pm
He’s going to campain in 57 states 26 hours a day eight days a week…
Which by the way is not enough to show I care….
OOOOO I need you love babe, guess you know it’s true!
Gotta love the Beatles, even they understand exageration.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
1:38 pm
” He should resign!”
stands,
Personally, I think that is grounds for impeachment, don’t you?
Get It Right
May 23rd, 2011
1:39 pm
Jay doesn’t like Herman Cain – That’s a great reason to vote for him. Cain for President!
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
1:40 pm
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
1:18 pm
“driving the country broke guy we have now!”
Sorry, fella – Former President Bush and his side kick supply siders were the GPS on that one
When will we stop blaming Bush for the economy? Never, there is no statute of limitations on causing a near depression.
We may perhaps forgive him when we finally get the mess cleaned up.
Perhaps.- Granny Godzilla
There ya go again! See. I told you guys that the DemoRAT plan for all 4 years of Obama’s presidency was to pull the Blame Bush card for all 4 years. And now its confirmed. Yep. The Zombies have confirmed that everything that happens in Obama’s 4 years is all Bush’s fault. There ya have it!
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
1:40 pm
MPercy — “Nope. Say what you want about Mr. Bush, but at least when he took us to war in Afghanistan and Iraq, he did so having sought UN sanctions (on Iraq, esp.) and then Congressional approval before taking any actions.”
Irrelevant, given that he didn’t get a Congressional declaration of war and that our action was nowhere permitted, authorized or encouraged by any UN resolutions. If you disagree, then I would be interested in seeing the specific UN language that you believe authorizes our action. I won’t bother asking about Congressional language, since you concede that there was no declaration of war.
“While not technically a declaration of war”
I appreciate you conceding this point.
“it does undercut the oft-repeated “Bush’s illegal war” mantra, albeit this rebuttal usually is rewarded with a “well, Bush lied to Congress and tricked them into voting for the war.”
Without a Congressional declaration of war and without UN consent, then how, exactly, was the Iraq war legal, please?
“Mr. Obama, Mr. Biden, and Mrs. Clinton (then all sitting Senators) staunchly stated that if Mr Bush were to take action against Iran, without Congressional support, he would be be doing all manner of wrong things.”
I agree.
“So when Mr. Obama ignores his own stated position and those of his VP and SecState, bypasses Congress entirely and strikes Libya, even if it was the right thing to do, I don’t have to give him a pass.”
I disagree. If you don’t accept both justifications or reject both, then IMO you’re being logically inconsistent. I happen to reject both.
“Similarly, even if I disagreed with Mr. Bush’s war on Iraq, I at least can acknowledge that he played by the rules, such as they exist. Which is more than Mr Obama has done and is doing.”
He did no such thing. There was no declaration of war or UN authorization for action.
“Let’s put this another way. Imagine a world where Mr. McCain had prevailed in the election. What would be the reaction of the left and the media (or did I repeat myself?) if Pres. McCain had initiated the exact same action on Libya for the exact same reasons. Would *anyone* on the left be defending the actions? I strongly doubt it.”
I wouldn’t, but then again, I’m not defending Mr. Obama’s actions, either. But I am giving him his 90 days before I start complaining.
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
1:42 pm
Is Obama going to campaign in 50 states this time or 57 states like he did the last time?
You should stick with that line while you’re out supporting your favorite Republican candidate, Thulsa. You’ll go far. Mix it up a little though and throw in something about how Obama wants to get rid of medicare and turn it into a voucher program and how he wants to run up the debt more so he can give the wealthiest another tax break and, you know, other little things like that.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
1:42 pm
“It just so happens that the smart local gov’ts took the stimulus money and banked a percentage of it, knowing full well that stimulus money would sunset. They spent a little and put the rest into reserves until the economy starts rebounding.”
So Mick, you’re saying that it was just fine for local governments to LIE about their needs in asking for more dollars than they were going to spend, thereby putting this country further into even more dangerous levels of debt, in order to keep from raising local taxes and taking the responsibility their voters supposedly entrusted in them?
All to keep people from being laid off? Is THAT the kind of local officials you’re looking for?
@@
May 23rd, 2011
1:42 pm
Not bad…not bad at all.
Pawlenty hits hard in states where “stuff” matters.
In Iowa? “It’s time to do away with ethanol subsidies.”
In Florida? “Seniors will have to sacrifice for the good of the country and future generations.”
On Wall Street? “No more subsidies, no more special treatment. No more Fannie and Freddie, no more TARP, and no more ‘too big to fail.’”
Of course, it all remains to be seen.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55502.html#ixzz1NCL912Xp
There’s plenty of time between now and the election.
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2011
1:44 pm
I think that is grounds for impeachment, don’t you?
Get that investigation under way pronto. What did the Preznit know about Austrian Standard German and when did he know it?
I offer as Exhibit A: “He Dint Knowed We had Fitty States.”
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
1:45 pm
Gotta love the Beatles, even they understand exageration.- Granny Godzilla
The 57 states wasn’t exageration. More like stupidity? Are they still speaking Austrian in Austria granny?
MPercy
May 23rd, 2011
1:45 pm
Debbie: Mr. Bush went to the UN several times seeking additional sanctions and authority to enforce the existing sanctions with force.
Quick summary…en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_disarmament_timeline_1990%E2%80%932003
Maybe they teach these things too at KSU.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
1:45 pm
“Cain just proved why success in running a pizza business (into the ground) would not translate into success in leading a nation.”
Guess you missed the whole “Cain turned a failure into a success” reality, didn’t ya, Free Wheel.
Facts, such elusive things for some on the left.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
1:46 pm
dave r@1:42
Forgetaboutit – that’s not even remotely close to what I said. Funny how all these repub governors took stimulus dollars then tried to take credit.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
1:48 pm
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
1:42 pm
So did Obama repeal those tax cuts for the rich that you’re complaining about taxpayer? Get back to me when you figure that one out genius.
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
1:49 pm
Thulsa Says:
There ya go again! See. I told you guys that the DemoRAT plan for all 4 years of Obama’s presidency was to pull the Blame Bush card for all 4 years. And now its confirmed. Yep. The Zombies have confirmed that everything that happens in Obama’s 4 years is all Bush’s fault. There ya have it!
perhaps Newtie is right about a poll test – based on poor old Thulsa’s reading comprehenion – that would be one vote the GP wouldn’t get
Bush is certainly not responsible for Obama’s actions, but he must and will always be held accountable for his.
They don’t call it the Bush Recession for nothing big fella…..
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
1:52 pm
“So did Obama repeal those tax cuts for the rich that you’re complaining about taxpayer?”
And did the GOP in congress repeal the extra stimulus and increased unemployment benefits we got out of the deal?
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
1:52 pm
Pizza Chain/Number of Locations
1.Pizza Hut: 14,759
2.Domino’s Pizza: 8,641
3.Papa John’s Pizza: 3,238
4.Little Caesars: 2,000
5.Noble Roman’s Pizza: 1,400
6.Casey’s Carry-Out Pizza: 1355
7.Papa Murphy’s Take ‘N’ Bake Pizza: 1,073
8.Sbarro’s Italian Eatery: 1,040
9.Godfather’s Pizza: 656
10.Cici’s Pizza: 631
Success is such a relative term.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
1:53 pm
“Funny how all these repub governors took stimulus dollars then tried to take credit.”
And as usual, you won’t find me defending their actions, either.
And I guess I hit a bit close to home on that last post, eh? Fuggeddaboutit?
You claim that local governments took more money than they needed, right? Socked it away for next year, right?
If they did it deliberately, they LIED to the Federal government in their applications for assistance. We know that as DEFRAUDING the Federal government.
If they intended to use it and didn’t they are in breach of their grant money applications (again, defrauding) or they are just incompetent.
So, just what was it you meant when you posted earlier about those local governments socking money away?
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
1:53 pm
“We’ve denigrated Al Qaeda significantly even before we got Bin Laden” Obama in his 60 minutes interview.
Um. No Mr. Obama. Perhaps you meant that we decimated or devastated al qaeda even before we got Bin Laden. You see if we had only denigrated them then we essentially would have just insulted them or hurt their feelings. Probably wouldn’t have done a whole lot of good. For this you get an ENGLISH FAIL!
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
1:55 pm
actually one of the definitions of denigrated is:
to treat or represent as lacking in value or importance; belittle; disparage
And that we did…..
You sir are no sesquipedalian…..
MPercy
May 23rd, 2011
1:55 pm
Joe Mama. I thought when I said “technically not a declaration of war” and the Bush “played by the rules, such as they were” I was implicating the War Powers Act. To be more clear: whatever your position on the Constitutionality of the War Powers Act, it seems to me that a) Congress believes it to be the rules for starting a war and b) Mr. Bush complied with the Act, c) Mr. Obama, despite his earlier protestations, did not and has not complied with the Act.
Please further note that the War Powers Act was initiated and passed by a Democratic Congress (overriding Nixon’s veto).
As for the international law (UN) point of view [wikipedia]: “this position taken by the Bush administration and its supporters, has been and still is being disputed by numerous legal experts. According to most members of the Security Council, it is up to the council itself, and not individual members, to determine how the body’s resolutions are to be enforced.”
getalife
May 23rd, 2011
1:55 pm
I have a bad feeling about this hurricane season
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
1:56 pm
Doom,
Is there no end to your faux poutrages? You are getting worse than jm, and that’s saying alot.
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
1:56 pm
So did Obama repeal those tax cuts for the rich that you’re complaining about taxpayer? Get back to me when you figure that one out genius.
Actually, they will end in 2012. Anything else.
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
1:57 pm
I have a bad feeling about this hurricane season
I hope this year’s tornado season is not a sign of things to come. Otherwise, that prediction of Rapture might actually turn out to be true, huh.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
1:58 pm
doom
I think you really hate this president, a little word parsing shouldn’t set you off so emotionally…
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
1:58 pm
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
1:52 pm
“So did Obama repeal those tax cuts for the rich that you’re complaining about taxpayer?”
And did the GOP in congress repeal the extra stimulus and increased unemployment benefits we got out of the deal?- granny godzilla
Is Granny speaking of the GOP which holds only one house of Congress and only for this year of Obama’s 2 1/2 year disaster? Granny gets a CIVICS FAIL
vnv
May 23rd, 2011
1:59 pm
pp: So did Cain!
Common Sense
May 23rd, 2011
2:00 pm
And what would Obama’s plan for Afghanistan be in January 2013?
What about for creating jobs?
The economy?
Obama is not a serious contender for the Presidency either under Jay’s rules of seriousness.
What is Obama’s border strategy for Palestine? Was that yesterday or today?
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
2:01 pm
Percy: Debbie: Mr. Bush went to the UN several times seeking additional sanctions and authority to enforce the existing sanctions with force.
Yes — but they were still already in place before he took office and some were in place before he even tilted his hat towards politics. To give him kudos for something that he didn’t do is downright…..ummm……republican of you.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:01 pm
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
1:55 pm
actually one of the definitions of denigrated is:
to treat or represent as lacking in value or importance; belittle; disparage
And that we did…..
You sir are no sesquipedalian…..- granny godzilla
Look at granny pulling out the big multi syllable words. WOW. I didn’t think she could do more than a 3 syllable word. Who knew?
Kamchak
May 23rd, 2011
2:02 pm
Melt-down in progress.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
2:02 pm
“Is Granny speaking of the GOP which holds only one house of Congress ”
Excuses Doom. They aren’t going to repeal anything — the stimulus, healthcare, etc. And apparently they aren’t going to introduce a jobs bill either.
getalife
May 23rd, 2011
2:03 pm
Look like you libs have had enough of the con bs.
The cons will not stop with their silly attacks and lies and it does get old.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 23rd, 2011
2:03 pm
TaxPayer: “I hope this year’s tornado season is not a sign of things to come. Otherwise, that prediction of Rapture might actually turn out to be true, huh.”
Bingo.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
2:04 pm
MPercy — “Joe Mama. I thought when I said “technically not a declaration of war” and the Bush “played by the rules, such as they were” I was implicating the War Powers Act.”
That may be, but I fail to see how the Act was followed when no formal declaration of war was made and the troops remained overseas. President Bush pointed out that Congress’ ongoing approval of funding for the Iraq war represented an implicit authorization (I presume upon the assumption that Congress wouldn’t fund anything of which it did not approve), but President Clinton made that same argument with respect to Bosnia and Congressional Republicans objected mightily. I think the simplest and least ambiguous approach would be to get a formal Congressional declaration of war, and since neither President Bush nor President Obama got one, I’m opposing the actions of both.
“To be more clear: whatever your position on the Constitutionality of the War Powers Act, it seems to me that a) Congress believes it to be the rules for starting a war and b) Mr. Bush complied with the Act”
Without a declaration of war, I don’t see how you come to this conclusion.
“c) Mr. Obama, despite his earlier protestations, did not and has not complied with the Act.”
A President has up to 90 days to get troops out. We’re not at 90 days yet, so I fail to see how you can credibly make that assertion.
“Please further note that the War Powers Act was initiated and passed by a Democratic Congress (overriding Nixon’s veto).”
I’m aware of that, but I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make in bringing that up.
“As for the international law (UN) point of view [wikipedia]: “this position taken by the Bush administration and its supporters, has been and still is being disputed by numerous legal experts. According to most members of the Security Council, it is up to the council itself, and not individual members, to determine how the body’s resolutions are to be enforced.”
I’m aware of that, too. It would seem to argue *against* our invasion of Iraq.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
2:05 pm
“actually one of the definitions of denigrated is:
to treat or represent as lacking in value or importance; belittle; disparage”
So what did we do? Tell them their virgins wear Army boots? Go “Thhbbbppt!” Call them “sissy boys”?
I’m not going to “disparage” Hope & Punt ™ for gaffes he made in off-the-cuff remarks, but trying to justify his obvious mistake is going a bit too far, even for you, Granny.
getalife
May 23rd, 2011
2:05 pm
“Otherwise, that prediction of Rapture might actually turn out to be true, huh”
I think I will go to Dallas as soon as I see one coming.
Peadawg
May 23rd, 2011
2:07 pm
“And apparently they aren’t going to introduce a jobs bill either.”
I seem to have missed Obama’s laser-like focus on jobs the past two years….
Common Sense
May 23rd, 2011
2:08 pm
And there is a price for war. It is not temporary. if we are giving land back lost in wars, I am sure the Mexicans and the Spanish and the British would like to get in line.
But let them stand behind the American Indians first.
There is no “right of return”. You lose that right when you “lose a war”.
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
2:08 pm
Thulsa
No civics fail, big fella, I know the requirements….I also know we came out ahead. (Missed all the GOP’s fighting that battle…tee hee)
AND….the tax decreases for the wealthiest of American will be a prime 2012 campaign issue – one you will not win.
80 plus % of Americans want to raise revunue with increased taxes…..
I’d suggest you just give up now, but you aren’t wise enough to see the writing on the wall and are vile enough to try and take everyone else down with you.
Good luck with that.
Common Sense
May 23rd, 2011
2:09 pm
…and all the liberals have is a weak President. You only hope things cannot get worse….
Peadawg
May 23rd, 2011
2:09 pm
“Obama’s Cadillac gets stuck on ramp ”
http://ajc.newsinc.com/video.html?wid=1529&cid=5051&vid=23417220&freewheel=12699&sitesection=ajc&plg=1527
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
2:09 pm
So what did we do? Tell them their virgins wear Army boots? Go “Thhbbbppt!” Call them “sissy boys”?
Even worse than all of those^^^. We made their women take off their hijab BEFORE the wedding, so that the fellas could see what they were really getting.
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
2:10 pm
two years into the Obama Presidency and all the GOP has got is a weak bench…
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:10 pm
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
1:58 pm
doom
I think you really hate this president, a little word parsing shouldn’t set you off so emotionally…
Mick,
I just have fun with him because he has so many verbal gaffes. Didn’t we have fun with Dan Quayle for the same stuff?
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
1:56 pm
Doom,
Is there no end to your faux poutrages? You are getting worse than jm, and that’s saying alot.
Bosch,
Calm down. I’m just having some fun with him over his many gaffes.
If I really want to be outraged I’ll start with record shattering debt- what’s he run up 4-5 trillion so far? 2011 FY deficit of 1.65 trillion? Its 2011- can’t blame this one on W.
Then I’ll complain about his own administration projecting enormous deficits through the year 2020.
Then I’ll start on the high unemployment numbers, then we’ll move to the hyper inflation that’s looming and $4 a gallon gas which is hurting poor and middle class people, then we’ll move to the devastation of the U.S. dollar under Obama, then we’ll talk about the dramatic rise in the numbers of people now on food stamps(1 in 6 Americans now) and on medicaid, then we’ll talk about the humiliating downgrading of U.S. debt. I don’t hate Obama- I just hate blatant incompetence.
But then what did you really expect when you elected a community organizer with ZERO executive experience who was something like 150 days into his first term as a senator when he decided to run for potus. Seriously? When you elect this kind of incompetent with an incredibly underwhelming resume what did you really expect?
MPercy
May 23rd, 2011
2:11 pm
Debbie: The UN passed about a dozen or so resolutions on Iraq after Bush took office. Resolution 1441 laid the foundation for the Bush Administration’s war.
I know that Wikipedia is not authoratative but:
On September 12, 2002, U.S. President George W. Bush addressed the General Assembly and outlined a catalogue of complaints against the Iraqi government.[1] These included:
* “In violation of Security Council Resolution 1373, Iraq supports terrorist organizations that direct violence against Iran, Israel, and Western governments….And al-Qaida terrorists escaped from Afghanistan are known to be in Iraq.”
* The United Nations Commission on Human Rights in 2001 found “extremely grave” human rights violations
* Iraqi production and use of weapons of mass destruction (biological weapons, chemical weapons, and long-range missiles), all in violation of U.N. resolutions.
* Iraq used proceeds from the “oil for food” U.N. program to purchase weapons rather than food for its people.
* Iraq flagrantly violated the terms of the weapons inspection program before discontinuing it altogether.
Following the speech, intensive negotiations began with other members of the Security Council. In particular, three permanent members (with veto power) of the Council were known to have misgivings about an invasion of Iraq: Russia, China, and France.
In the meantime, Iraq, while denying all charges, announced that it would permit the re-entry of United Nations arms inspectors into Iraq. The United States characterized this as a ploy by Iraq and continued to call for a Security Council resolution which would authorize the use of military force.[citation needed]
The resolution text was drafted jointly by the United States and the United Kingdom, the result of eight weeks of tumultuous negotiations, particularly with Russia and France. France questioned the phrase “serious consequences” and stated repeatedly that any “material breach” found by the inspectors should not automatically lead to war; instead the UN should pass another resolution deciding on the course of action. In favour of this view is the fact that previous resolutions legitimizing war under Chapter VII used much stronger terms, like “…all necessary means…” in Resolution 678 in 1990 and that Resolution 1441 stated that the Security Council shall “remain seized of the matter.”
On November 8, 2002, the Security Council passed Resolution 1441 by a unanimous 15-0 vote; Russia, China, France, and Arab countries such as Syria voted in favor, giving Resolution 1441 wider support than even the 1990 Gulf War resolution.
Peadawg
May 23rd, 2011
2:12 pm
“http://www.ajc.com/news/women-protest-forest-park-955157.html
“The women at Monday’s protest were showing their displeasure with an ordinance passed two weeks ago that bans breastfeeding children over 2 years old in public.”
Um…question…why the hell are 2 yr olds still breast feeding?
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
2:15 pm
**If I really want to be outraged I’ll start with record shattering debt- what’s he run up 4-5 trillion so far?**
Absolutely incorrect number, I’m really getting tired of debunking this. Just because if you keep saying it – doesn’t make it true, now or tomorrow…get real.
Where's My Party?
May 23rd, 2011
2:16 pm
Still spreading this absolute twisting of the truth I see. I could type less and just call it a lie I guess. Lie is thrown about here just as much as racist these days. Oh, and “fail”. I’ll start over.
Still spreading this lie I see.
“….the tax decreases for the wealthiest of Americans…”
Kamchak
May 23rd, 2011
2:16 pm
Um…question…why the hell are 2 yr olds still breast feeding?
Better question…what has that got to do with you?
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
2:18 pm
“I seem to have missed Obama’s laser-like focus on jobs the past two years….”
I’m not surprised Peadawg, hate will make you blind.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:18 pm
two years into the Obama Presidency and all the DemoRATs have is a complete disaster…
Granny,
I fixed your typos for you. You’re welcome!
Tracy
May 23rd, 2011
2:18 pm
What a joke.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
2:18 pm
MPercy, can you please point to the *specific* language that authorized military action on the part of any UN member state against Iraq in 2003?
I’ve been through every one of the applicable UN resolutions repeatedly, but I’ve never been able to find language that *conclusively* authorizes it. There’s language that suggests and implies military action, but nothing I’ve ever been able to find that clearly states ‘one or more of us will go in if this happens/doesn’t happen.’
You’d think that if a body were authorizing military action, that they’d do so in clear and unambiguous language.
Chris
May 23rd, 2011
2:18 pm
jay, ONE very big fallacy that debunks your entire article. NO WHERE has Herman Cain said, in your words “hasn’t been important enough to him to justify study and thought.” JUST because he is intelligent enough to know that experts and generals should be used in planning war efforts, does NOT mean he doesn’t have thoughts or opinions on it. JUST he will not impose them until he has heard from experts.
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2011
2:19 pm
Better question…what has that got to do with you?
Mo’ better question: Are the cops going to ask to see the kid’s ID before handing the mom a ticket?
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
2:19 pm
“There is no “right of return”. You lose that right when you “lose a war”.”
Common Sense, TESTIFY!
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:20 pm
Zombies en masse today so I’ll have to pull the zombie card.
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
2:20 pm
Thulsa
Thanks, but I have expectation regarding intellectutal ability and acuity in my editors….and frankly you plainly aren’t bright enough to correct my typos.
I could use a good man with the laundry. Can you wash whites and not make them pink?
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
2:22 pm
“Even worse than all of those^^^. We made their women take off their hijab BEFORE the wedding, so that the fellas could see what they were really getting.”
Well, I guess that’s better than the “Oh, CRAP. . .” moment some of them might have had, DDR.
Kamchak
May 23rd, 2011
2:22 pm
Are the cops going to ask to see the kid’s ID before handing the mom a ticket?
Well, at the age of two years old the only ID that kids gonna have is a birth certificate.
Hope mom’s got the long form.
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
2:23 pm
There are so many things wrong with Thulsa’s rant, I don’t know what to correct him on first. How about that claim of a humiliating downgrade of US debt. You got a linkee for that thingee. Or, just tell me what you think it was downgraded to and by whom. Did it go from AAA to BB- with negative outlook at S&P.
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
2:24 pm
Doom: Then I’ll start on the high unemployment numbers,
JOBS BILLS!! Isn’t that what the repubs were screaming would be their PRIORITY if they were elected to office last year? Whatever happened to those “priorities?”
then we’ll move to the hyper inflation that’s looming and $4 a gallon gas
OBAMA sets gas prices!?!
OMG! I had no idea! Someone call Exxon and let them know!
which is hurting poor and middle class people,
Well then why, in 2010 didn’t the repugs want to extend unemployment for all those “hurting” folks when they had a chance? they seemed more worried about extending tax cuts for the wealthy than worrying about Joe Blow.
then we’ll move to the devastation of the U.S. dollar under Obama,
The dollar was dropping BEFORE Obama took office!! Or did that just happen to get by you while you were sleeping?
then we’ll talk about the dramatic rise in the numbers of people now on food stamps(1 in 6 Americans now) and on medicaid,
Helllllooooo Repub jobs bill……….. Number one priority………
Or what about cutting off all that “welfare” for oil companies etc.? Why won’t the repubs do that?
I don’t hate Obama- I just hate blatant incompetence.
You must’ve REALLY hated Dubya!
Benjamin
May 23rd, 2011
2:24 pm
With all due respect, I would rather an African-American not speak on behalf of Israel even if he’s defending it.
Your culture in the US has always been one with bitterness and hatred towards the Jewish community and to be quite frank, we don’t want your support Cain. Go help your own and quick sucking up to a community we all know deep down you hate.
Logic 05
May 23rd, 2011
2:24 pm
Jay is such a partisan…a complete democratic lapdog.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
2:24 pm
RE Obama stuck on “ramp”. I bet the Secret Service was very unhappy about that….
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
2:24 pm
I really could use some help with keyboarding…(and my spelling is atrocious!)
Thulsa I could use a new secretary…..Can you make coffee?
jm
May 23rd, 2011
2:26 pm
The current “POTUS”. Can also be abbreviated: “1TBHO”
HDB
May 23rd, 2011
2:26 pm
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
1:07 pm
“When Herman Cain ran for the US Senate in Georgia, he got NO support from the GOP in Georgia; Also known as the “We have to support Johnny Isakson at all costs” strategy.”
Also known that a black man running for statewide office as a Republican had NO CHANCE of getting the votes of rank-and-file Georgia Republicans…particularly in South Georgia….and what’s indicative of South Georgia would be indicative of the nation at large!!
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
2:28 pm
“With all due respect, I would rather an African-American not speak on behalf of Israel even if he’s defending it.
Your culture in the US has always been one with bitterness and hatred towards the Jewish community and to be quite frank, we don’t want your support Cain. Go help your own and quick sucking up to a community we all know deep down you hate.”
Probably the most racist post of the month, let alone the day.
You’d rather an African-American not speak on behalf of Israel? Really? So I guess you’d just rather not have the current President say anything either, right, Benjamin?
Oh, and please provide any proof whatsoever that Herman Cain hates Jews.
The silence will be deafening.
Common Sense
May 23rd, 2011
2:28 pm
Even if there was some mythical “right of return”, would it really apply to those that had never been there?
Those under 45 would not even have Jay’s mythical rights.
Imagine how wars would be if you had to eliminate the enemy to prevent this mythical right of return? If you did not wipe out the enemy, in 45 years they would be demanding their land back.
There is a cost associated with war. That cost does not go away when the attackers demand it.
buck@gon
May 23rd, 2011
2:28 pm
Themist @10:10,
“So Jay is a “liberal” because he uses his column to expose the indisputable fact that the GOP party is a party of extreme ideas right now? That’s weird. So if Jay’s a “liberal”, then what are you, an anti-liberal?”
“Indisputable?…. fact?…..extreme?…. ”
Call me whatever you want.
If these adjectives are what you think is going to convince the electorate NOT to vote republican, then that’s fine. We must have an ongoing degradation of dialogue in this country if all we can do is attack people (as I admit I have done to Jay today) rather than ideas. Hence the labels.
The labeling itself does not bother me, as it seems to bother you, themist. I’m not that tyrannical about what you or anyone else thinks. I’m in for the fight, win or lose.
What bothers me is the media machine from Washington, NY and its satellite arms everywhere that seems to think things like “Cain is unelectable, period.”
Go ahead and think things like that if you want. I’m here to remind everyone of things like what Colin Powell said about then candidate Barack Obama to address the concerns of his zero leadership or management experience: “well, he ran his election campaign.”
Therefore, the bar is lower now. If you can run your campaign successfully, you can win. I hope Cain or anyone else to get the same treatment.
He won’t though, because liberals are liberals, and people like Jay attack conservatives preemptorily to weaken them. No matter who the republican nominee is, he will have a pre-concocted pre-fabricated load of baggage around his neck the day he is nominated, so that, during the general campaign, people like Katie Couric can ask, “Hey, what about that issue?…..”
Guarding the back door from attack from people like me are people like YOU, who try to get us dismissed out-of-hand because you hope to make some label stick.
Go ahead themist. Find me an extreme right-wing policy and name it. Let’s discuss it right here. Let’s take an informal poll of bloggers on this JB site to see whether it’s extreme or not.
Otherwise, I’d guess you’re just fishing for BS you hope to stick.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:29 pm
80 plus % of Americans want to raise revunue with increased taxes…..- granny godzilla
Granny,
I see that you are practicing your comedy routine today. Source please? 80 plus % of Americans want to raise revenue with taxes? That is just wayyyyyyy toooooo funnnnnnnnnnyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!
I would have thought that some semblance of critical thinking skills would have allowed you to figure out that this is a complete BS stat.
I did find a poll from CBS that showed that 51% of Americans were ok with letting the Bush tax cuts “for the wealthy” expire. And that mind you only encompasses them wanting to raise taxes on the rich only. I wonder where this mythical poll of yours is that shows that Americans overall 80% plus want to raise their own taxes to increase federal tax revenues. You’ll probably find this poll in the same place where you libs tend to find those chocolate unicorns- fantasy land.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20016602-503544.html
BTW granny here also is another poll from that bastion of liberalism the Huffington post showing that most Americans feel they are paying enough in taxes.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/14/tax-rate-poll_n_848980.html
jm
May 23rd, 2011
2:30 pm
Dave R 2:28 – I think that post was in jest. As in “Benjamin”, of “Benjamin Netanyahu”. And a reference to the dressing down Bibi gave Obama.
Common Sense
May 23rd, 2011
2:30 pm
“Well then why, in 2010 didn’t the repugs want to extend unemployment for all those “hurting” folks when they had a chance? they seemed more worried about extending tax cuts for the wealthy than worrying about Joe Blow.”
Because as Obama has proven beyond a doubt, jobless benefits does not create jobs.
Common Sense
May 23rd, 2011
2:31 pm
There is no more ignorant a statement than the following:
“welfare” for oil companies etc”
Keeping what you have earned has never been called welfare.
The oil companies are merely reclaiming taxes paid overseas on their earnings. As every other American business does.
Only if you did not earn it can you call it welfare.
buck@gon
May 23rd, 2011
2:32 pm
Adam @ 10:11,
Taking bets? How stupid do you think we are?
Since Barry-O is the Democrat nominee (we may safely assume), his chances are roughly 50/50. Since the republican field has not even gotten together, their individual chances must only add up to 50/50.
Right now it’s not a contest, of course.
But the election ain’t right now, is it?
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
2:33 pm
“I think that post was in jest. As in “Benjamin”, of “Benjamin Netanyahu”. And a reference to the dressing down Bibi gave Obama.”
jm, I’m not convinced it was in jest. And if it was, maybe that poster should learn to use emoticons to denote jest. Let’s see how this one plays out.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
2:35 pm
**dressing down Bibi gave Obama**
“Beauty is in the eye of the beholder”, bibi is small potatoes…
jm
May 23rd, 2011
2:35 pm
“BTW granny here also is another poll from that bastion of liberalism the Huffington post showing that most Americans feel they are paying enough in taxes.”
Well 1/2 of them are wrong, because 1/2 of them don’t pay any (income) taxes.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:35 pm
Also known that a black man running for statewide office as a Republican had NO CHANCE of getting the votes of rank-and-file Georgia Republicans…particularly in South Georgia….and what’s indicative of South Georgia would be indicative of the nation at large!!- HDB
Race card alert! You knew it was coming. Strategy 2 of the Democratic strategy right on cue.
DemoRAT strategy
1- blame bush
2- scream racism
3- bash palin
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
2:37 pm
jm @ 2:30 pm – a reference to the dressing down Bibi gave Obama
Bib’s Big Blunder:
Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu had an excellent response to President Obama’s major speech on the Arab world and the Israel-Palestinian conflict. But it came two days too late, and the net result is another hasbara (propagandistical publicity — ed.) disaster for Jerusalem.
Netanyahu said on Saturday that Obama had “shown his commitment to Israel’s security, both in word and deed,” in Thursday’s Presidential speech, adding: “We are working with the administration to achieve common goals.”
Why couldn’t he have said that on Thursday, instead of immediately rejecting Obama’s views on moving peace talks forward?
And for more on Bibi’s performance, please see James Fallows’ post, The Dick Cheney of Israel. I’m not sure, but I don’t think he means it as a compliment.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
2:38 pm
RepbliCON strategy
1. Blame all bush deficits on obama endlessly
2. Blame the whole real estate collapse on fannie/freddi
3. End medicare with sleight of hand
4. Credit torture with getting bin laden
No matter the lies on both sides, it will be a very close election, but like his predecessor, obama most likely will prevail…
BADA BING
May 23rd, 2011
2:38 pm
Monday mumblings………A GOP Hispanic group has asked Porsche to reconsider their move here due to the new immigration law. Porsche dismissed their request. Sorry, amigos, and don’t get the Germans mad at you. Ask around.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:41 pm
Taxypayer,
Go back to your little corner. I’m putting you in timeout.
S&P stood for surprise and provocation last week, after Standard & Poor’s revised the outlook on its triple-A rating of U.S. debt to negative from stable.
The credit-rating agency questioned whether President Barack Obama, a Democrat, and the Republican-controlled House of Representatives could strike a deal to rein in yawning federal budget deficits before the 2012 presidential election.
The bond and stock markets initially swooned on S&P’s announcement, but soon recovered on optimism that the bombshell might force both sides to work together. The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note ended the week at 3.41%, little changed from 3.40% the week before.
The revision means that the states of Delaware, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Minnesota and Missouri all have stronger credit profiles than the nation, according to S&P. To add injury to insult, four U.S.-domiciled triple-A-rated nonfinancial corporations also have a better outlook: Automatic Data Processing (ticker: ADP), ExxonMobil (XOM), Johnson & Johnson (JNJ) and Microsoft (MSFT).
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
2:41 pm
Common: Keeping what you have earned has never been called welfare.
The oil companies are merely reclaiming taxes paid overseas on their earnings. As every other American business does.
Only if you did not earn it can you call it welfare.
OK then let’s call it TAX SUBSIDIES. How’s that?
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
2:42 pm
Oops I forgot to add – Did the oil companies EARN those tax subsidies? And if so, how?
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
2:44 pm
“The Dick Cheney of Israel. I’m not sure, but I don’t think he means it as a compliment.”
OMG, that’s tooooooo funny.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:45 pm
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
2:24 pm
I really could use some help with keyboarding…(and my spelling is atrocious!)
Thulsa I could use a new secretary…..Can you make coffee?
Granny,
Come on now. We both know you’ve never held a job. But I’ll come over to your section 8 housing anyway and make you some coffee- I do make a great pot of joe. Just be sure to head over to the grocery store with your food stamps and get some of the good stuff- Starbucks preferably. And after coffee I’ll take you to your medicaid doctor to check on that hypertension for ya- don’t want it to rise too much from taht great cup of brew.
Jefferson
May 23rd, 2011
2:46 pm
No war won in 1946, just use the 1947 boundaries…
Joe Cool~"PRESIDENT Obama" Tells Birthers,"Thanks For Playing BI+CHES"
May 23rd, 2011
2:46 pm
“The current “POTUS”. Can also be abbreviated: “1TBHO””
Again, WHO DO YOU GUYS HAVE THAT CAN BEAT HIM?
*crickets*
buck@gon
May 23rd, 2011
2:46 pm
Debbie just now,
Both the 48 / 67 borders and the right of return are non-starters for Israel, Debbie.
How in the world does saying that in plain language constitute a blunder?
I would appreciate plain language from you this time too.
Joe Cool~"PRESIDENT Obama" Tells Birthers,"Thanks For Playing BI+CHES"
May 23rd, 2011
2:46 pm
“Probably the most racist post of the month, let alone the day.”
Nahhh, Kayacker21 won that award hands down.
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
2:47 pm
Doom: Come on now. We both know you’ve never held a job. But I’ll come over to your section 8 housing anyway and make you some coffee- I do make a great pot of joe. Just be sure to head over to the grocery store with your food stamps and get some of the good stuff- Starbucks preferably. And after coffee I’ll take you to your medicaid doctor to check on that hypertension for ya- don’t want it to rise too much from taht great cup of brew
How very condescending and “elitist” of you Doom. If one didn’t know any better, one would think that you were a “compassionate” conservative with talk like that.
buck@gon
May 23rd, 2011
2:48 pm
Joe (not) Cool just now,
Go back to your bedroom and play with your action figures.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:50 pm
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
2:42 pm
Oops I forgot to add – Did the oil companies EARN those tax subsidies? And if so, how?
“Over the past five years, we incurred a total U.S. tax expense of almost $59 billion, which is $18 billion more than we earned in the United States during the same period,” Kenneth Cohen, Exxon’s vice president of public and government affairs, said yesterday in a blog post on the company’s website. “Critics often try to ignore these facts by saying the oil and gas industry receives ‘subsidies.’ But what they really mean is that they want to increase our taxes by taking away long- standing deductions for our industry while leaving these same deductions in place for other sectors of the economy.”
Debbiedoright,
You need some help with your critical thinking skills. First of all this tax deduction is standard to many industries and businesses. Why should oil and gas only be singled out? Secondly the federal govt is not “subsidizing” anyone with these tax deductions. The govt is simply not confiscating as much of the money they earned. You get an ECONOMICS FAIL on this one.
Joe Cool~"PRESIDENT Obama" Tells Birthers,"Thanks For Playing BI+CHES"
May 23rd, 2011
2:51 pm
“Go back to your bedroom and play with your action figures.”
They’re called “collectables” these days!
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:54 pm
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
2:24 pm
Thulsa I could use a new secretary…..Can you make coffee?
Debbiedoright,
Oh. And the above statement by granny which garnered my response is not condescending and elitist? I guess I can now expect you to admonish her elitist and condescending statement in the interest of fairness and consistency. Right?
jm
May 23rd, 2011
2:55 pm
Joe Cool 2:46 – Romney or Huntsman.
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
2:56 pm
buck, those were not my words, I was quoting the article. Here’s another article on the subject, perhaps this author’s words can bring some light to your question:
Surely Netanyahu understood that with the gaps between the Israeli and Palestinian positions as wide as they are now, the Obama speech was not going to make a practical difference. The Palestinians are determined to push for statehood at the UN in September.
The President’s effort to derail that effort was not enough to get them back to the negotiating table that they left last fall.
Why, then, didn’t Bibi call the Palestinians’ bluff by welcoming the President’s speech as a good starting point for peace talks – the Israeli leader wasn’t obligated to embrace every aspect of the speech – and put the onus on Abbas and Co. to resume discussions?
Instead, the prime minister was so quick to assert that Israel could never abide by the pre-1967 borders that he appears to the world as the stumbling block to progress.
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
2:57 pm
Thulsa,
Apparently you do not know the difference between “outlook” and “downgrade”. They’re not interchangeable.
BADA BING
May 23rd, 2011
2:57 pm
I wonder if the President is going to have a 7 course meal in Ireland tonight? You know, a 6 pack and a potato.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:58 pm
Taxpayer,
A Chinese credit rating agency- basically our bank- downgraded us. As did Weiss Sovereign Debt Ratings which downgraded us to a C. Back to your corner again!
buck@gon
May 23rd, 2011
2:59 pm
Debbie,
I’m amazed and aghast at your question: “Did the oil companies EARN those tax subsidies?”
My goodness! The US government is one of the few in the world that tax earnings from firms HQ here that may also be subjected to tax somewhere else, say, Japan. That the US government decides to waive the multiple taxation–that the same dollars earned are taxed by Japan and the US–is nothing to earn. It’s just good business!
Do you want all the oil companies to leave our shores so that they can just earn money?
The idea that you EARN tax subsidies is ludicrous and underscores the liberal mindset that all things must be somehow EARNED in your little minds. I don’t understand how you could possibly think this could work. What you are calling a “tax subsidy” is neither earned nor stolen; it is simply a matter of government policy made by either bureaucrats or elected officials independent of the MONEY that a firm EARNS.
That’s the EARNING that’s going on here, Debbie, in case you want to know or be really informed.
I don’t expect you to be informed though I pray for people like you. You have within you the ability to reason and see the truth, but you simply refuse to acknowledge what is true, when it conflicts with what you already know to be your liberal ideology built on a foundation of blowing sand.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
2:59 pm
Bada Bin 2:57 – an Obama 7 course meal has 9 courses…. Obama’s ego and counting abilities are over-inflated
Paulo977
May 23rd, 2011
2:59 pm
Obama in Ireland
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/obama-in-ireland-to-954657.html
Common Sense
May 23rd, 2011
2:59 pm
It’s not a subsidy either.
The oil companies earned those funds overseas. By bringing those dollars back to America they would face double taxation. They can leave those dollars overseas if they choose to.
Do you believe the government thinks that is in their best interest?
No, they would prefer to have those dollars reinvested in the US.
They realize the unfairness of the double taxation and correct it.
Then some stand on the street corners and scream “welfare” and “subsidies”.
All in order to score a few political points with their constituents, who do not know any better.
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
2:59 pm
Thulsa
Guess you can’t do laundry….
Nothing to be ashamed of….
As for coffee….remember real cream and 2 sugars.
straitroad
May 23rd, 2011
3:00 pm
Joe Mama,
You’re going to have to do a better job of comprehending what you read. My point was simply this: Cain may not be a great candidate, but he would be better than the guy with currently suffering with. At his very least, Cain understands American ideals and isn’t hostile toward them. Until you get the gumption to provide for yourself, you will continue to vote for any candidate who promises to give you what someone else has earned. Let’s just be truthful here, that is the real reason that you, Jay, and all other liberal-minded people voted for Obama, Barry Soetero, or whoever this guy is.
Tundra Dude
May 23rd, 2011
3:01 pm
Herman Cain doesn’t take the presidency seriously
*Exactly* the impression I got (various reasons), reading his tv interview late last nite.
The Answerman, he’s not.
The day before, he said; “Hope and Change doesn’t work”…………
so there’s no point in changing presidents……??
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
3:02 pm
Doom: You need some help with your critical thinking skills. First of all this tax deduction is standard to many industries and businesses
You still didn’t answer my question. The poster said the companies EARNED what they had and it was not welfare income. I pointed it that maybe I should’ve called them tax subsidies and if they were EARMED by the companies, my question is HOW. Still waiting.
the above statement by granny which garnered my response is not condescending and elitist?
No. you accused Granny of never having worked, being on welfare, living in Section 8 and getting foodstamps and medicaide!! She asked you if you wanted a JOB as her secretary. You don’t see the difference in that? Then instead of Thulsa Doom your moniker shoud be Legally Blind.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
3:02 pm
“Joe Cool 2:46 – Romney or Huntsman.”
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
HDB
May 23rd, 2011
3:02 pm
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:35 pm
Not a race card play…..a statement of FACT! During the Cain/Isakson race, Cain lost by 27 POINTS!!
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2011
3:04 pm
jm, how’s Huntsman going to walk back what he’d said about the Recovery Act, to wit:
“Too little focus on meaningful and relevant infrastructure that would have enhanced our entire nation and our ability to compete. Whether delivering products or moving people from point A to point B — in other words, the overall enhancement of needed infrastructure in our country which is desperately needed.
“So you had maybe 25% infrastructure [in the stimulus], 75% all other categories — it should have been reversed to my mind, so that coming out of the stimulus phase, we actually could have maybe achieved a better, stronger, more 21st-century infrastructure in our country. […]
“That is my one gripe…. Stimulus, to be sure, that was needed. We needed to kick-start the economy and infuse it with some liquidity.”
I mean, I pretty much AGREE with what he said. But I don’t think GOP primary voters would be on quite the same wavelength.
buck@gon
May 23rd, 2011
3:04 pm
Debbie @ 2:56,
My question stands.. unanswered. It’s a shame. I’d like to know how what I asked you might be true, especially since you were quoting opinion you seemed to believe.
You beg me to ask again a question you probably can not answer yet again: If the Obama speech made no practical difference, then why did HE make it? And if this was really all just about nothing, then why be upset at what Netanyahu said?
Add those to the questions asked earlier. This is called a “dialogue” Debbie. It’s not condescending, I assure you, but it is as our dear leader has said many times, “we need to have a conversation on…. (pick a topic). Here’s your chance.
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
3:05 pm
buck and Doom – EVERYONE gets taxed. Some more than others; however if you give a company brining in billions of dollars in INCOME monthly a tax break, than why can’t you give a few hungry, unemployed/laid off people food stamps? Why is it called AID or subsidies for a rich company but WELFARE for the poor and middle class?
Ponder on that one. I have to pick up my neice and my sister for her final dress fitting (wedding next weekend). Talk to you tmw. I’m out.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
3:05 pm
“an Obama 7 course meal has 9 courses…. Obama’s ego and counting abilities are over-inflated”
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
3:06 pm
Bosch, you, of anyone on here, should know the fallacy of quoting polls with fictional match-ups. There are too many in the race and not yet announced candidates that GOP voters have yet to finalize on.
Dusty
May 23rd, 2011
3:08 pm
Well, Herman Cain ought to be sending truckloads of pizza to Bookman and his beligerant bloggers here. The more this gang plays Dem’s whack-a-doodle and beat-around-the-Bush at Bookman playtime, the more interesting all GOP candidates look.
Obama ought to send out a “lay off libs” because they are NOT helping his early election efforts at all. He doesn’t want to be “sanctified sucker of the century” even if it happens. .
Keep it up. dear liberals. You are so blithely benighted with your spitballs.. RedNeck should run against Obama. His subterfuge is better.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
3:10 pm
Bosch. Thhhbbbpppt!
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
3:11 pm
Thulsa now says, after getting slapped on the wrist with his claim that S&P’s negative outlook equates to a downgrade that he had claimed earlier, that we has been downgraded by a Chinese credit rating agency. Yup, they sure told US what for last November. By the way, how much more interest are the Chinese demanding before they’ll buy our higher risk debt, Thulsa.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
3:11 pm
Dave R.!!
Quit raining on my parade!!!
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
3:12 pm
Okaaaayyy! Another Bookman “time warp response before the post” thingy.
Man, that is REALLY annoying!
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
3:12 pm
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
2:59 pm
Thulsa
Guess you can’t do laundry….
Nothing to be ashamed of….
As for coffee….remember real cream and 2 sugars.
Granny,
You are correct. I don’t do laundry. I got a local dry cleaner for that- they also wash laundry and charge by the pound.
I’m not going to get you 2 real creamers though because you probably don’t need the calories. No sugars either- diabetes. I recommend truvia or stevia- a great natural sweetener. You ever tried it?
jm
May 23rd, 2011
3:13 pm
sfd 3:04 – you might surprised. I agree with those statements. Infrastructure has real long term value for competitiveness.
Jason
May 23rd, 2011
3:13 pm
Candidate Obama, while on the campaign trail, promised his supporters that by the summer of 2011, every last troop would be redeployed from Afghanistan. He also promised that Gitmo would be closed. Now, at the end of May of 2011, just 2 months shy of that July date that then-candidate Obama set as the benchmark, not a single ounce of progress has been made to bring our troops home from Afghanistan; furthermore, not an ounce of progress has been made to close down Gitmo, another pledge that then-candidate Obama has failed to deliver on. Why is that? It could have something to do with a lack of access to the necessary information, provided by our intelligence community, that ONLY the President of the United States has access to. Why, then, is it disrespectful or irresponsible for a candidate for President to simply state that he would need to be privy to the sensitive information that ONLY the President is privy to, to make a well-informed, sturdy decision? Is it not MORE irresponsible to “shoot at the lip” about a situation of which then-candidate Obama had no way of knowing the extent of the conflict? You may prefer a candidate who espouses pure idealism, without any surefire way to guarantee results 20 months before the next inauguration. But I believe the American people want a President who will take caution in answering questions relating to issues that he cannot possibly know the extent of, from his nest as a contender for the nomination.
In regards to his “right of return” response:
“In an interview this morning on FOX News Sunday with Christopher Wallace, Herman Cain addressed the issue of “right of return” for the country of Israel. In clarification of these remarks, Mr. Cain released the following statement:
I have long been a vocal and unwavering supporter of our friend and ally, Israel.
All Israeli governments have rejected the “right” of large numbers of Arabs or Palestinians to return to what is now the state of Israel. Such an en masse return would unbalance Israel’s demographic makeup as the world’s sole Jewish state.
In this light, should the “right of return” “be negotiated,” as I said, “if that is a decision that Israel wants to make”? Certainly, and to reiterate, it’s Israel’s call. Israel has a long record of being more gracious to its enemies than its enemies are to it, and this would be yet another example of that. But is the “right of return” a moral imperative? Is it something Israel must grant? Is it something the United States ought to encourage?
The answer is no on every count.
Our policy on Palestinian affairs must be wholly a function of our policy on Israeli affairs. Israel is a friend. Israel is an ally. Israel shares common values with us. Israel shares common interests with us, especially in the eradication of terrorism and the need for bringing peace to the region. As President, I will never lose sight of these basic facts. Any aspirant to the Presidency must have the unshakable US-Israeli alliance at the core of his or her strategic vision in the Middle East.”
For those who wish to be a part of this monumental movement, to nominate Herman Cain for the Presidency, and then to BEAT OBAMA, check out his campaign website – http://hermancain.com/, and if you can, PLEASE donate WHATEVER you can! https://hermancainonline.nationbuilder.com/donate_now. Thanks so much! CAIN TRAIN 2012!
Don't Forget
May 23rd, 2011
3:13 pm
I fully expect a hockey game to break out on this blog one day.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
3:14 pm
Soooooooo Debbiedoright,
Ya still don’t think Exxon pays enough in taxes? Still whining about those subsidies? You went and made me pull the vaunted Exxon earnings card. Please read and educate yourself.
Putting Exxon’s Tax Bill In Perspective
Over the last three years, Exxon Mobil has paid an average of $27 billion annually in taxes. That’s $27,000,000,000 per year, a number so large it’s hard to comprehend. Here’s one way to put Exxon’s taxes into perspective.
According to IRS data for 2004, the most recent year available:
Total number of tax returns: 130 million
Number of Tax Returns for the Bottom 50%: 65 million
Adjusted Gross Income for the Bottom 50%: $922 billion
Total Income Tax Paid by the Bottom 50%: $27.4 billion
Conclusion: In other words, just one corporation (Exxon Mobil) pays as much in taxes ($27 billion) annually as the entire bottom 50% of individual taxpayers paid in 2004 (most recent year available), which is 65,000,000 people! Further, the tax rate for the bottom 50% was only 3% of adjusted gross income ($27.4 billion / $922 billion) in 2004, and the tax rate for Exxon was 41% in 2006 ($67.4 billion in taxable income, $27.9 billion in taxes).
Bottom line- the efforts and productivity of Exxon’s 82,000 employees paid more in federal taxes than the bottom 65 million U.S. taxpayers. Shame on you- the bottom 65 million”taxpayers” that 82,000 employees in one freaking company can produce more federal tax dollars than all of you combined.
Paul
May 23rd, 2011
3:15 pm
sfd
Saw in the paper where Huntsman said it’s okay to say nice things about an opponent when they do something good.
That’s really gonna tick off the core GOP -
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
3:17 pm
Thulsa, you’re probably going to faint, but I agree with Debbie in this regard.
End ALL subsidies for ALL businesses. Stop having government pick winners and losers in the private sector. That means farms, oil, green energy – you name it – END it!
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
3:18 pm
straitroad — “Joe Mama, You’re going to have to do a better job of comprehending what you read.”
Then perhaps *you* should do a better job at explaining what you mean. There’s nothing so magical about your writing — or anyone else’s, for that matter — that you’ll automatically be understood with 100% clarity by all readers.
In my experience, it is the arrogant and ill-informed who deride others for ‘poor critical thinking skills,’ ‘failure to understand’ and the like. Serious people with serious points to make generally don’t have a problem with clarifying their points and arguments when they’re asked to do so.
“My point was simply this: Cain may not be a great candidate, but he would be better than the guy with currently suffering with.”
Shrug. I respectfully disagree.
“At his very least, Cain understands American ideals and isn’t hostile toward them.
Which means what? That sounds rather puffy and insubstantial to me.
“Until you get the gumption to provide for yourself, you will continue to vote for any candidate who promises to give you what someone else has earned.”
What makes you think that I don’t provide for myself? Or are you (rather ineptly) using the indistinct “you” here?
“Let’s just be truthful here, that is the real reason that you, Jay, and all other liberal-minded people voted for Obama, Barry Soetero, or whoever this guy is.”
What the heck are you talking about here?
Jason
May 23rd, 2011
3:18 pm
Join the Cain movement on Facebook! https://www.facebook.com/THEHermanCain
Keep Up the Good Fight!
May 23rd, 2011
3:18 pm
Someone tell me again how Lib/Dem/whoever is scared or afraid of some Republican. Look a 16 yr old is challenging Bachmann to a debate. Will Bachmann debate?
Dear Representative Bachmann,
My name is Amy Myers. I am a Cherry Hill, New Jersey sophomore attending Cherry Hill High School East. As a typical high school student, I have found quite a few of your statements regarding The Constitution of the United States, the quality of public school education and general U.S. civics matters to be factually incorrect, inaccurately applied or grossly distorted. The frequency and scope of these comments prompted me to write this letter.
Though I am not in your home district, or even your home state, you are a United States Representative of some prominence who is subject to national media coverage. News outlets and websites across this country profile your causes and viewpoints on a regular basis. As one of a handful of women in Congress, you hold a distinct privilege and responsibility to better represent your gender nationally. The statements you make help to serve an injustice to not only the position of Congresswoman, but women everywhere. Though politically expedient, incorrect comments cast a shadow on your person and by unfortunate proxy, both your supporters and detractors alike often generalize this shadow to women as a whole.
Rep. Bachmann, the frequent inability you have shown to accurately and factually present even the most basic information about the United States led me to submit the follow challenge, pitting my public education against your advanced legal education:
I, Amy Myers, do hereby challenge Representative Michele Bachmann to a Public Forum Debate and/or Fact Test on The Constitution of the United States, United States History and United States Civics.
Hopefully, we will be able to meet for such an event, as it would prove to be enlightening.
I bet Amy would take on any of the cons on this blog that want to debate too….
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
3:18 pm
Thulsa
Thanks….but I don’t do artifical sweeteners….
Never cared for fakes.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
3:19 pm
HDB
May 23rd, 2011
3:02 pm
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:35 pm
Not a race card play…..a statement of FACT! During the Cain/Isakson race, Cain lost by 27 POINTS!!
Sooooo HDB your logical conclusion can only be that its RACE RACE RACE. Its a shame that you live your life seeing the race boogey man in everything. A crying shame.
stan
May 23rd, 2011
3:19 pm
he bombed. he stated he had a plan that would’ve worked, but it won’t work now…
Obama in 2012!1
May 23rd, 2011
3:22 pm
I’m hoping Cain or Trump is the republican nominee—Obama will beat either of them easily for 4 more years!!!!!!!
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
3:23 pm
“Look a 16 yr old is challenging Bachmann to a debate.”
Fifteen minutes of fame – for both of them, Keep.
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2011
3:23 pm
Shame on you- the bottom 65 million”taxpayers”
was anyone moved by this the first three times Thulsa posted it?
USMC
May 23rd, 2011
3:23 pm
“Your culture in the US has always been one with bitterness and hatred towards the Jewish community and to be quite frank, we don’t want your support Cain. Go help your own and quick sucking up to a community we all know deep down you hate.”
You arrogant FOOL. The United States has helped Israel MORE than any other country in the World. How about turning the TV OFF and reading your history book for once!
The U.S. continues to be Israel’s biggest ally and GIVES Israel BILLION$ of dollar$ every year.
“…bitterness and hatred towards the Jewish community…” Really?
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
3:23 pm
Granny Godzilla,
Nope. Truvia is not fake or artificial. Its a natural sweetener. Much better for one’s health than sugar.
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2011
3:26 pm
you might surprised. I agree with those statements. Infrastructure has real long term value for competitiveness.
but jm. We’re “broke,” remember?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
May 23rd, 2011
3:26 pm
Dave….If only Bachmann’s 15 minutes would end…..alas.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
3:27 pm
stands for decibels,
I keep posting the Exxon earnings in the hope one day that people like you will actually open your minds to some knowledge and understanding as opposed to zombie demagoguery. And I keep being disappointed.
Paul
May 23rd, 2011
3:30 pm
Thulsa
Interesting. Using 2004 as the baseline, Exxon-Mobil’s tax liability has decreased the last few years. Most recent – 2009, zero taxes. Exxon disputes this but says they do not divulge their actual tax bill (makes me wonder where all these numbers come from).
That 47% they say they pay in taxes? The fine print says, it didn’t go to the USA.
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/04/exxon-mobil-paid-zero-income-tax-offshore%20shelter-wal-mart-general-electric-forbes
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
3:32 pm
Dave R.
I’ve no problem with that. I’m just saying if we’re going to end the tax deduction for capital investing and other “subsidies” then lets end it for all businesses and industries- not just oil. As you say no picking winners and losers. The problem here is one of mindless demagoguery and the demonization of one industry. Its just plain silly and the lack of knowledge as to what companies like Exxon pay in taxes is just plain appalling. But some of these people just can’t think or use reasoning. They’re zombies that for which emotional demagoguery against the rich, the oil companies, or whoever works. And its unfortunate that they can’t take their liberal blinders off for a single minute and use some rational thinking.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
3:34 pm
From that same article Paul,
It is incorrect to say that ExxonMobil did not pay any U.S. income tax in 2009. In fact, we expect a significant U.S. federal income tax liability for 2009, although our tax return will not be filed until later this year. Our tax installments overpaid our 2008 U.S. federal income taxes and we used that excess in part to pay our 2009 estimated taxes. The amount stated in our 10-K filing with the SEC, which Chris [Christopher Helman, who originally reported on this story for Forbes] told me he based his story on, includes expenses or credits recorded during 2009, and can represent items from previous years or expectations for subsequent years. It is not our actual tax bill.
In a subsequent phone conversation, Jeffers told Mother Jones he “really had to dig in with our tax guys just to really explain what was going on here.” He stressed that “the activity in that report”—referring to the 10-K, an annual summary of company activity that must be submitted to the Securities and Exchange Commission—”does not represent our tax bill,” which has not been settled, since the company has not yet filed its 2009 IRS return. He added that, just as an individual might see a refund or not have to pay additional income taxes when they file, the firm could conceivably show a surplus or a zero on the “total income tax” line. When an individual gets a refund from the IRS, that doesn’t mean she got off scot-free: It means she overpaid her taxes throughout the year. Jeffers said the same principle operates for ExxonMobil.
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
3:34 pm
was anyone moved by this the first three times Thulsa posted it?
Well, he does have a way of causing movements. I’ll be right back.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
3:35 pm
Mr. Doom — “Nope. Truvia is not fake or artificial. Its a natural sweetener.”
Sorta.
Truvia doesn’t occur in nature; a good bit of processing is necessary in order to make it. But to be fair, even sugar needs a little bit of processing in order to be made. Truvia is, IIRC, actually made up of three ingredients, all of which have to be processed in order to make them.
Granny, look up “stevia” for more details on the primary constituent of Truvia.
My dad’s a food scientist; we’ve discussed natural and artificial sweeteners (both the ones on the market and the ones that aren’t) since I was a little shaver; I remember when cyclamates were still an accepted food additive.
“Much better for one’s health than sugar.”
The jury’s still out, but I haven’t seen any negative findings so far.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
3:39 pm
Joe Mama,
I can’t see truvia/stevia possibly being as bad as sugar for one’s health. Just my opinion but I believe the inordinate amount of sugar in our diet is a leading cause of diabetes.
junegrape
May 23rd, 2011
3:39 pm
Good lord, the GOP is offering a pathetic lineup of candidates for the office of President of the United States for this election season. There’s no denying it. Absolutely pathetic! Any voter with a functioning brain should feel insulted by the parade of clowns the GOP is pushing as credible. Unbelievable.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
3:40 pm
“Good lord, the GOP is offering a pathetic lineup of candidates for the office of President of the United States for this election season. There’s no denying it. Absolutely pathetic! Any voter with a functioning brain should feel insulted by the parade of clowns the GOP is pushing as credible. Unbelievable.”
Would you like some cheese with that whine, junegrape?
Now, some of us like to – oh, I don’t know – provide some concrete proof behind their statements. How about you?
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
3:40 pm
That 47% they say they pay in taxes? The fine print says, it didn’t go to the USA.
That’s another of those oft-overlooked points hidden in plain sight in many a fine print.
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
3:43 pm
All I knows is that when I blend just the right amount of Carbon and Hydrogen and Oxygen, it’s sweet man. Really sweet. But you gotta be careful with the proportions. You let the Oxygen content drop real low and it could be something crude and just plain nasty.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
3:46 pm
Mr. Doom — “I can’t see truvia/stevia possibly being as bad as sugar for one’s health.”
I agree; IIRC, stevia may actually have some beneficial qualities, but my dad tells me that there hasn’t been a great deal of study on it in the US and that the FDA tends to ignore testing that’s been done in other countries. I think he said it’s already been in use for years in parts of Asia.
“Just my opinion but I believe the inordinate amount of sugar in our diet is a leading cause of diabetes.”
You’ll get no argument on that from me.
Paul
May 23rd, 2011
3:46 pm
Thulsa
I’m not surprised you posted that part from the beginning/middle of the article. In just four minutes I wouldn’t really expect you to read the entire thing, study the chart and actually think about what it said.
From a bit further down: “Jeffers, however, declined to discuss what ExxonMobil’s actual US income tax liabilities might be—in 2009, or in any year—except to say that it wasn’t zero. “We don’t disclose our tax bill; we’re not required to,” he said. “Just like most corporations and individuals, we disclose what we’re required to.”
In any case, the original story is wrong in this respect: According to the 10-K, a screenshot of which is provided below, ExxonMobil didn’t have a zero-tax liability in 2009; it was actually owed $46 million by the IRS, against $15.1 billion in foreign taxes owed. As Jeffers says, that may not be the case; but it’s what ExxonMobil told the SEC, its shareholders, and the world. And since the firm refuses to share its actual tax numbers with the public, it’s all we have to go by.]”
And then there’s the chart. The declining tax numbers. By half. While earnings have increased. Somehow, I think all those sites on the web so uncritically reposting the post you cited haven’t given it much thought. Except to make the point “corporations like Exxon are really, really good ’cause they pay lots of taxes (even if it isn’t to the US government) while most Americans are pretty pathetic for having a lower tax liability ’cause Congress passed bills and the President signed them “
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
3:49 pm
“Now, some of us like to – oh, I don’t know – provide some concrete proof behind their statements.”
Of course, you’d be in prodigious company if you didn’t, and maybe taking time to detail all the issues you have with a whole host of people might just tax your attention span, but feel free to go for it!
jm
May 23rd, 2011
3:52 pm
sfd 3:26 – all about spending priorities my friend. we have the money if we don’t instead blow it all on old people and useless medical expenditures
HDB
May 23rd, 2011
3:53 pm
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
3:19 pm
Can’t help but to call it like it was!! Local media interviewed many from South Georgia and it was SPECIFICALLY said that they could not vote for a black man as a Republican!!
If you look at the Tea Party….they were non-existent until Obama was elected….all the while when the nation was gettng BUSHwhacked…not a sound!! Note the vitriol against Obama….socialist…every epithet called
Remember history: The “Southern Strategy”, Reagan’s speech in Philadelphia, MS supporting segregation; Jesse Helms’ campaign against Harvey Gantt stating that if Gantt was elected, white people would lose their jobs……..
Wise man said: the more things CHANGE, the more things STAY THE SAME!! It may not be as overt as it was back in the day……but it’s still there!!!
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
3:55 pm
HDB The Tea Party was formed in response to the stimulus and out of control spending, and taxation issues. It wasn’t formed specifically because a black man was elected potus. That’s ridiculous.
HDB
May 23rd, 2011
3:58 pm
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
3:55 pm
That’s TBS (typical BS)!! If the Tea Party was so worried about out of control spending, where were they when the nation was BUSHwhacked??? The spending started under Bush…but NO TEA PARTY!! When Obama was elected, THEN the Tea Party comes out????? C’MON, MAN!!
Tundra Dude
May 23rd, 2011
3:59 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!@3:18 wrote, in part:
Look a 16 yr old is challenging Bachmann to a debate. Will Bachmann debate?
the rest of the story;
the threats were mainly from commentators on Tea Party websites
The Cherry Hill Courier Press reports that others “threatened violence, including rape” and that “several commentators threatened to publish the Myers’ home address.”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
May 23rd, 2011
4:04 pm
TDude, I mentioned nothing about the threats but why would right wingers or Tea Party call her a whore and send her school principal threats? Stay classy, right wing thugs!
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
4:06 pm
Paul,
A couple things on that.
1- If exxon is claiming more of their earnings overseas then so be it. Its legal and frankly if we didn’t have the 2nd highest corporate income tax rate in the world then U.S. companies wouldn’t be using offshore tax havens. That’s squarely on us.
2- Why is it that American taxpayers should be upset over not getting the tax revenue on earnings made overseas. As I understand it the U.S. has 3 % of the oil reserves according to the lib posters on here. So logically it would seem most of the oil they extract is done overseas. So why should they be paying taxes to overseas govts and then again to the U.S. govt? We shouldn’t be able to tax earnings made for extracting oil in say Saudi Arabia.
3- Regardless of Exxon’s direct tax bill to the U.S. treasury when a gallon of gas is consumed in the U.S. the various govts local, state, federal make more money on that gallon of gas then does someone like Exxon. So they oil gets taxed plenty just based on what they collect on a gallon of
4-And the average state gas tax is about 27 cpg.
California is probably above average, but the recent numbers there have taxes at $0.67/gallon and oil company profits short of $0.13/gallon (that 13 cents includes “distribution costs, marketing costs and profits”). So that’s about 5.2x (likely more, as “profit” is just a portion of that 13 cents) not 7.5x.
Still, when government at all levels is garnering more than 5x in “profit” than the oil company does, it hardly seems right to rail against a profit margin of 7-8% as “obscene”, “excessive” or “out-of-line”.
gas.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
4:06 pm
Tundra Dude — “The Cherry Hill Courier Press reports that others “threatened violence, including rape” and that “several commentators threatened to publish the Myers’ home address.”
Such bravery they show, these conservative warriors.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
4:11 pm
HDB,
Cause and effect. Obama becomes potus and the tea party ramps up in response to stimulus, spending, and taxation issues. But because the president is black it HAS to be all about race for you. It just HAS TO BE. That’s a pretty pathetic line of reasoning HDB. I feel for you that you live your life everyday seeing race in everything. Its a crying shame. Get the hate out of your heart and the blame whitey for everything mentality out of your mind. You’ll be much better for it!
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
4:12 pm
“the rest of the story;
the threats were mainly from commentators on Tea Party websites
The Cherry Hill Courier Press reports that others “threatened violence, including rape” and that “several commentators threatened to publish the Myers’ home address.””
And unless those websites police their bloggers, including figuring out if they are, in fact, Tea Party people or just hackers or trolls, all this is merely speculation.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
4:12 pm
Now, it’s off to dinner with my older brother from out of town.
Enjoy your evening, because I know I will!
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
4:14 pm
Yes. With all these right wing thugs and death threat makers us conservatives are just a bunch of thuggish criminals. No doubt. Matter of fact I’m sure the prisons are full of conservatives. All them murderers, rapists, drug dealers, gang bangers, I’m certain they are all of the conservative persuasion and grew up in conservative households in conservative voting neighborhoods. Yessirreee.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
May 23rd, 2011
4:15 pm
Ahhh…union protests and protestors must be thugs but when the right wing thugs go for it, its “prove it was the right wing.” Got it.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
4:18 pm
All them scary middle aged white folks. Yessirree. Scary folks indeed.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
4:19 pm
Dave R. — “And unless those websites police their bloggers, including figuring out if they are, in fact, Tea Party people or just hackers or trolls, all this is merely speculation.”
If I ran a site that caught comments of that nature, I’d happily turn over the comments and associated server logs to the police. If the comments came from sockpuppets looking to cause a stir, I think a visit from the cops would cause them to think twice before doing it again. And if the comments came from legitimate Tea Party associates who were really thinking about doing something like that, then I don’t want jerks like that posting on my site and making the rest of us look bad.
Regardless of who might be doing it, it’d be a good idea for the web master/mistress to identify the offending posters and clue the cops in to their behavior.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
4:20 pm
Better watch out. All them violent right wingers are gonna burn down Los Angeles, riot and smash windows and loot stores at the WTO conference in Seattle, wielding batons in military fatigues at Philadelphia voting precincts, dey some scary people them conservatives.
Paul
May 23rd, 2011
4:22 pm
Thulsa
The main point is that Exxon’s spinning regarding taxes – giving all sorts of false impressions, like leading people to assume ‘this is all US tax’ – and the spun story is being repeated by many, many commentators without critical thought.
“Its legal and frankly if we didn’t have the 2nd highest corporate income tax rate in the world then U.S. companies wouldn’t be using offshore tax havens. That’s squarely on us”
That’s one way to look at it. The other is to take a look at corporate efforts to mitigate US tax effects during changing corporate rates. I think you’ll find, regardless of the rate, the corporations keep right on spending millions to pay off lobbyists and Congress to continue to lower their bill. Back to that chart – down by over half at a time of accelerated earnings.
Dave R.
Have a good one!
And if your brother offers to buy, tell him heck no ’cause you don’t take no stinkin’ welfare. And if you’re tempted to pay…. whadda ya’ doin? Making another guy into a welfare king?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
May 23rd, 2011
4:23 pm
Doom, don’t you have to prove that they were not the ones who have done it already? We can agree. The Right is full of thugs.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
4:24 pm
Gonna hide under my bed. You just never know when those middle aged white suburban conservative tea party voters are going to burst through your door in a home invasion with guns a blazing. Dey some scary folks.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
4:27 pm
keep up,
Don’t forget either that the prisons are full of conservative middle aged tea party types. Full of em I tell ya! Watch out keep up. One of em could be hiding behind a tree just waiting to grab ya! Lock your car doors too. I hear they do a lot of the car jackings around here too! Dangerous folks! Yessirree!!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
May 23rd, 2011
4:29 pm
Absolutely right Doom…they are a scaryyyyyyyy bunch. Some wear hoods. Some focus on robbing the entire country on massive scale, invading our banks and accounts and taking our homes and more.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
4:30 pm
Zombies are out en masse today. I’m out- The floor belongs to the zombies now. Time to regurgitate your litany of nonsense. First up will be keep up. ha! I’m like Jessie Hymietown Jackson wif da rhymes today!
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
4:33 pm
Keep up,
Fight back man. Fight back! Pay your mortgage so that they can’t steal back the house you never freaking paid for! Fight back by paying your mortgage! That’ll show em!
Invading your banks? Um. yeah. Sure. Uh. Whatever you say sir!
Mr Right
May 23rd, 2011
4:36 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
Why don’t you stop before you make a complete fool out of yourself ?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
May 23rd, 2011
4:46 pm
Yep…. The right is being stopped in many places from its corporate thuggery. I just stopped a bank last week from collecting on some notes after it fail to confirm the sale. Real thuggery.
Mr Right
May 23rd, 2011
4:47 pm
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
1:18 pm
“driving the country broke guy we have now!”
Sorry, fella – Former President Bush and his side kick supply siders were the GPS on that one
When will we stop blaming Bush for the economy? Never, there is no statute of limitations on causing a near depression.
We may perhaps forgive him when we finally get the mess cleaned up.
Perhaps.
Soooo– Granny, I guess if the other guy spent a lot of money it’s his fault Obamer shoots the deficit through the roof or I should say through the sky!! Yea it’s the other guys fault and yea we clean up a mess by making a bigger one!
dave
May 23rd, 2011
4:59 pm
“Right to return”? Right to return what/where? Bush Doctrine? That was a “bush league” question by Chris Wallace! Shame on him! He sounded like Katie Couric when she interviewed Sarah Palin. I’m disappointed in him. We’ve got bigger fish to fry! Isreal does not need Obama to tell them how to run their country. He can’t even run his own! Or is that what he’s doing in Ireland? Herman Cain understands how to run a company and balance a budget and that is what this country needs and that’s what most americans are looking for right now! Go Herman
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
5:02 pm
keep up,
Did they get the corporate thugs or the tea party thugs who surely did the shooting down in grant park yesterday where 6 people got shot including a 2 year old?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
May 23rd, 2011
5:08 pm
Don’t know Doom…but they got that IMF thug and there are more criminals to follow. Unfortunately not enough going to jail.
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9:01 pm
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TnGelding
May 23rd, 2011
10:43 pm
40 million Irish-Americans? Advantage, O’bama!
Maybe Cain should hire the lovely Sarah to tutor him on foreign policy?
He admitted on Hannity tonight that he didn’t know what the term right to return meant. A huge plus in my book.
TnGelding
May 23rd, 2011
10:48 pm
A balanced budget at this point would throw us into a deep depression. A ten year path to balance is what is needed, and very doable.
Gandalf the Wise
May 24th, 2011
2:16 am
Barry is doing a bang up job for Foreign Affairs. Give up the the Gaza Strip and Golan Heights? Is Obama really stupid enough to think that is even an option for Isreal? Jay, are you?
Palestinians can move to Iran and live in peace there. GOD gave Isreal this land, not the UN.
Gandalf the Wise
May 24th, 2011
2:19 am
there are 57 muslim states, not US states Barry…you silly fool.
Jay
May 24th, 2011
4:26 am
Give up the the Gaza Strip and Golan Heights? Is Obama really stupid enough to think that is even an option for Isreal? Jay, are you?
“Gandalf the Wise” was a monicker surely chosen tongue in cheek. You claim it would be stupid to even ask Israel to give up Gaza, but see, here’s the thing: Israel voluntarily gave it up years ago. They just walked away and wanted nothing to do with it.
mas
May 24th, 2011
9:29 am
I think between golfing, picking basketball brackets, hosting champions, visiting our great 57 states, shooting hoops, discovering his Irish roots, discovering his malaysian roots, covering his kenyan roots, discovering his Hawaiian roots BHO has taken this all very seriously. Caine not commenting on Afghanistan? GOOD! Look what happened when BHO ran his mouth during the campaigns, and then got to look at the big boy book. If you don’t know the facts, keep your mouth shut,
TnGelding
May 24th, 2011
9:38 am
What God giveth He/She can take away.
TnGelding
May 24th, 2011
9:45 am
It really bugs some of you that we have a young, vibrant, active president, doesn’t it? Considering the mess he stepped into, he’s done a remakable job in addition to being a good husband and father.
Drew
May 24th, 2011
12:06 pm
Jay, we all know Cain is the nominee – why would the GOP send up ol’ whitey against The Chosen One?
He’s in.
…and there’s no such thing as bad press. Keep it coming man.
buck@gon
May 24th, 2011
12:51 pm
Debbie,
Congratulations on the coming event.
It seems we are fated to talk past each other forever and ever Amen. If only you would note this!
I will answer your question: giving as you say, a “tax break” in whatever form it takes to a company is just not called AID. It is called a tax break. I fail to see the significance of labels here anyway. What does it matter to you?
Helping a poor family is called welfare, I suppose as a term of art to make government paid-for charity seem constitutional. Note that the term welfare in the constitution did not then (in 1789) mean giving people money. And anyway, what does it matter what these things are called?
Can you answer?
don arnold
May 25th, 2011
1:11 pm
I’ll sure darn donate!!
Put a cap in your hat!
don arnold
May 25th, 2011
1:14 pm
Oh GAWD! Reading these hate-filled, juvenile comments from the Left is both amusing and heartening! LMAO! You guys are a hoot!
Herman Cain't
May 25th, 2011
6:10 pm
But scrubbed from Cain’s official story is his long tenure as a director at a Midwest energy corporation named Aquila that, like the infamous Enron Corporation, recklessly dove into the wild west of energy trading and speculation—and ultimately screwed its employees out of tens of millions of dollars.
According to five lawsuits filed in federal court in 2004, Aquila’s board of directors—which Cain joined in 1992—allegedly steered employees into heavily investing their retirement savings in company stock. At the same time, the company shifted its business model from straightforward energy generation to risky energy trading, an unregulated market made infamous by now-defunct Enron. The suits, later folded into a single, massive class action (PDF), alleged that Cain and top company officials violated a 37-year-old federal law requiring that employers manage employees retirement programs responsibly. (Cain’s presidential exploratory committee did not respond to a request for comment.)
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/05/herman-cain-aquila-lawsuit-2012
Herman Cain't
May 25th, 2011
6:12 pm
Cain served on the board of directors throughout Aquila’s ill-fated trading misadventure and the subsequent collapse of the company’s retirement fund. In fact, he chaired the board’s compensation committee, which, according to the lawsuit, had direct oversight of the push to get employees to invest more and more in Aquila stock. As chair of the compensation committee, Cain also saw fit to dole out $30 million in bonuses, not including stock options, to the top five execs at Aquila in 2002, with the company’s stock plummeting. A month after the Kansas City Star reported on the hefty bonuses in July 2002, the company laid off 500 employees, and the losses to employees holding company stock had reached hundreds of millions of dollars.
Herman Cain't
May 25th, 2011
6:30 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SqL3T4vYppU#at=214
Joe
May 25th, 2011
6:39 pm
Jay Bookman is a racist!
Joe
May 25th, 2011
6:47 pm
There is no such thing as palestinian people, they all came from some other country. If they don’t like living in Israel they can go back to where they came from!
Ronco
May 28th, 2011
2:22 pm
Obama is a successful far left progressive, but a flawed, failed president. This morning in Poland he could not even remember a reporter’s question. The other day he didn’t know what date it was. Without a teleprompter he is clueless. One thing he is good at is throwing America’s friends under the bus. Must be his Chicago political upbringing.
jrose
May 28th, 2011
3:08 pm
Well obviously you are racist, trying to portray Herman Cain as a “dumb” black man.