Herman Cain doesn’t take the presidency seriously
Did I mention that Herman Cain is not a legitimate candidate for president?
Last week, you may recall, Cain refused to reveal what his policy would be toward Afghanistan. We’ve been fighting there for almost a decade; more than 100,000 American soldiers are putting their lives on the line as we sit here, and Cain, a man who criticizes President Obama for not having a clear foreign policy, says he doesn’t want to “shoot from the lip” by suggesting what course this country should take next.
He says that once elected, he would talk to the experts and generals and come up with a plan about what to do. As I noted at the time, it’s the kind of answer Miss South Carolina might give in the beauty pageant Q&A. In fact, such a lack of preparation is downright disrespectful. Cain is offering himself as a potential commander in chief and asking people to take him seriously, yet the issue of American troops fighting and dying in a far-off land for almost a decade simply hasn’t been important enough to him to justify study and thought.
And then there’s this:
In his announcement speech Saturday, Cain accused President Obama of “throwing Israel under the bus.” On Sunday, Fox News put Cain on the air, sitting him down for an interview with Chris Wallace:
Cain has clearly never encountered the term “right of return,” a phrase familiar to anyone who has done even 20 minutes of research into the Middle East conundrum. He does not know that the Palestinian claim of a “right of return,” if implemented, would mean hundreds of thousands if not millions of Palestinians now living elsewhere would be allowed to return to live in what is now the heart of Israel. He proudly claims that he would offer the Palestinians nothing, yet in saying that the right of return is something to be negotiated, he offers them everything, right down to the destruction of Israel. Yet in that ignorance, he feels qualified to assert what he calls “the Cain doctrine” regarding the Middle East.
I’m sorry. You forfeit any claim as a legitimate candidate if you do not even know what the term “right of return” means. As with the Afghanistan issue, it reflects not merely a lack of knowledge, but even worse, a basic lack of interest and respect for the high office that he seeks and for the voters who support him.
Cain talks a lot about his business career. Well, any job candidate who walked into an interview as proudly ill-prepared as Cain would be bounced out the door immediately.
– Jay Bookman
UPDATE: Cain has issued the following “clarification”:
“Stockbridge, GA)- In an interview this morning on FOX News Sunday with Christopher Wallace, Herman Cain addressed the issue of “right of return” for the country of Israel. In clarification of these remarks, Mr. Cain released the following statement:
I have long been a vocal and unwavering supporter of our friend and ally, Israel.
All Israeli governments have rejected the “right” of large numbers of Arabs or Palestinians to return to what is now the state of Israel. Such an en masse return would unbalance Israel’s demographic makeup as the world’s sole Jewish state.
In this light, should the “right of return” “be negotiated,” as I said, “if that is a decision that Israel wants to make”? Certainly, and to reiterate, it’s Israel’s call. Israel has a long record of being more gracious to its enemies than its enemies are to it, and this would be yet another example of that. But is the “right of return” a moral imperative? Is it something Israel must grant? Is it something the United States ought to encourage?
The answer is no on every count.
Our policy on Palestinian affairs must be wholly a function of our policy on Israeli affairs. Israel is a friend. Israel is an ally. Israel shares common values with us. Israel shares common interests with us, especially in the eradication of terrorism and the need for bringing peace to the region. As President, I will never lose sight of these basic facts. Any aspirant to the Presidency must have the unshakable US-Israeli alliance at the core of his or her strategic vision in the Middle East.
As your President, I would. “
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Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
1:45 pm
“Cain just proved why success in running a pizza business (into the ground) would not translate into success in leading a nation.”
Guess you missed the whole “Cain turned a failure into a success” reality, didn’t ya, Free Wheel.
Facts, such elusive things for some on the left.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
1:46 pm
dave r@1:42
Forgetaboutit – that’s not even remotely close to what I said. Funny how all these repub governors took stimulus dollars then tried to take credit.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
1:48 pm
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
1:42 pm
So did Obama repeal those tax cuts for the rich that you’re complaining about taxpayer? Get back to me when you figure that one out genius.
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
1:49 pm
Thulsa Says:
There ya go again! See. I told you guys that the DemoRAT plan for all 4 years of Obama’s presidency was to pull the Blame Bush card for all 4 years. And now its confirmed. Yep. The Zombies have confirmed that everything that happens in Obama’s 4 years is all Bush’s fault. There ya have it!
perhaps Newtie is right about a poll test – based on poor old Thulsa’s reading comprehenion – that would be one vote the GP wouldn’t get
Bush is certainly not responsible for Obama’s actions, but he must and will always be held accountable for his.
They don’t call it the Bush Recession for nothing big fella…..
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
1:52 pm
“So did Obama repeal those tax cuts for the rich that you’re complaining about taxpayer?”
And did the GOP in congress repeal the extra stimulus and increased unemployment benefits we got out of the deal?
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
1:52 pm
Pizza Chain/Number of Locations
1.Pizza Hut: 14,759
2.Domino’s Pizza: 8,641
3.Papa John’s Pizza: 3,238
4.Little Caesars: 2,000
5.Noble Roman’s Pizza: 1,400
6.Casey’s Carry-Out Pizza: 1355
7.Papa Murphy’s Take ‘N’ Bake Pizza: 1,073
8.Sbarro’s Italian Eatery: 1,040
9.Godfather’s Pizza: 656
10.Cici’s Pizza: 631
Success is such a relative term.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
1:53 pm
“Funny how all these repub governors took stimulus dollars then tried to take credit.”
And as usual, you won’t find me defending their actions, either.
And I guess I hit a bit close to home on that last post, eh? Fuggeddaboutit?
You claim that local governments took more money than they needed, right? Socked it away for next year, right?
If they did it deliberately, they LIED to the Federal government in their applications for assistance. We know that as DEFRAUDING the Federal government.
If they intended to use it and didn’t they are in breach of their grant money applications (again, defrauding) or they are just incompetent.
So, just what was it you meant when you posted earlier about those local governments socking money away?
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
1:53 pm
“We’ve denigrated Al Qaeda significantly even before we got Bin Laden” Obama in his 60 minutes interview.
Um. No Mr. Obama. Perhaps you meant that we decimated or devastated al qaeda even before we got Bin Laden. You see if we had only denigrated them then we essentially would have just insulted them or hurt their feelings. Probably wouldn’t have done a whole lot of good. For this you get an ENGLISH FAIL!
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
1:55 pm
actually one of the definitions of denigrated is:
to treat or represent as lacking in value or importance; belittle; disparage
And that we did…..
You sir are no sesquipedalian…..
MPercy
May 23rd, 2011
1:55 pm
Joe Mama. I thought when I said “technically not a declaration of war” and the Bush “played by the rules, such as they were” I was implicating the War Powers Act. To be more clear: whatever your position on the Constitutionality of the War Powers Act, it seems to me that a) Congress believes it to be the rules for starting a war and b) Mr. Bush complied with the Act, c) Mr. Obama, despite his earlier protestations, did not and has not complied with the Act.
Please further note that the War Powers Act was initiated and passed by a Democratic Congress (overriding Nixon’s veto).
As for the international law (UN) point of view [wikipedia]: “this position taken by the Bush administration and its supporters, has been and still is being disputed by numerous legal experts. According to most members of the Security Council, it is up to the council itself, and not individual members, to determine how the body’s resolutions are to be enforced.”
getalife
May 23rd, 2011
1:55 pm
I have a bad feeling about this hurricane season
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
1:56 pm
Doom,
Is there no end to your faux poutrages? You are getting worse than jm, and that’s saying alot.
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
1:56 pm
So did Obama repeal those tax cuts for the rich that you’re complaining about taxpayer? Get back to me when you figure that one out genius.
Actually, they will end in 2012. Anything else.
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
1:57 pm
I have a bad feeling about this hurricane season
I hope this year’s tornado season is not a sign of things to come. Otherwise, that prediction of Rapture might actually turn out to be true, huh.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
1:58 pm
doom
I think you really hate this president, a little word parsing shouldn’t set you off so emotionally…
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
1:58 pm
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
1:52 pm
“So did Obama repeal those tax cuts for the rich that you’re complaining about taxpayer?”
And did the GOP in congress repeal the extra stimulus and increased unemployment benefits we got out of the deal?- granny godzilla
Is Granny speaking of the GOP which holds only one house of Congress and only for this year of Obama’s 2 1/2 year disaster? Granny gets a CIVICS FAIL
vnv
May 23rd, 2011
1:59 pm
pp: So did Cain!
Common Sense
May 23rd, 2011
2:00 pm
And what would Obama’s plan for Afghanistan be in January 2013?
What about for creating jobs?
The economy?
Obama is not a serious contender for the Presidency either under Jay’s rules of seriousness.
What is Obama’s border strategy for Palestine? Was that yesterday or today?
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
2:01 pm
Percy: Debbie: Mr. Bush went to the UN several times seeking additional sanctions and authority to enforce the existing sanctions with force.
Yes — but they were still already in place before he took office and some were in place before he even tilted his hat towards politics. To give him kudos for something that he didn’t do is downright…..ummm……republican of you.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:01 pm
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
1:55 pm
actually one of the definitions of denigrated is:
to treat or represent as lacking in value or importance; belittle; disparage
And that we did…..
You sir are no sesquipedalian…..- granny godzilla
Look at granny pulling out the big multi syllable words. WOW. I didn’t think she could do more than a 3 syllable word. Who knew?
Kamchak
May 23rd, 2011
2:02 pm
Melt-down in progress.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
2:02 pm
“Is Granny speaking of the GOP which holds only one house of Congress ”
Excuses Doom. They aren’t going to repeal anything — the stimulus, healthcare, etc. And apparently they aren’t going to introduce a jobs bill either.
getalife
May 23rd, 2011
2:03 pm
Look like you libs have had enough of the con bs.
The cons will not stop with their silly attacks and lies and it does get old.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 23rd, 2011
2:03 pm
TaxPayer: “I hope this year’s tornado season is not a sign of things to come. Otherwise, that prediction of Rapture might actually turn out to be true, huh.”
Bingo.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
2:04 pm
MPercy — “Joe Mama. I thought when I said “technically not a declaration of war” and the Bush “played by the rules, such as they were” I was implicating the War Powers Act.”
That may be, but I fail to see how the Act was followed when no formal declaration of war was made and the troops remained overseas. President Bush pointed out that Congress’ ongoing approval of funding for the Iraq war represented an implicit authorization (I presume upon the assumption that Congress wouldn’t fund anything of which it did not approve), but President Clinton made that same argument with respect to Bosnia and Congressional Republicans objected mightily. I think the simplest and least ambiguous approach would be to get a formal Congressional declaration of war, and since neither President Bush nor President Obama got one, I’m opposing the actions of both.
“To be more clear: whatever your position on the Constitutionality of the War Powers Act, it seems to me that a) Congress believes it to be the rules for starting a war and b) Mr. Bush complied with the Act”
Without a declaration of war, I don’t see how you come to this conclusion.
“c) Mr. Obama, despite his earlier protestations, did not and has not complied with the Act.”
A President has up to 90 days to get troops out. We’re not at 90 days yet, so I fail to see how you can credibly make that assertion.
“Please further note that the War Powers Act was initiated and passed by a Democratic Congress (overriding Nixon’s veto).”
I’m aware of that, but I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make in bringing that up.
“As for the international law (UN) point of view [wikipedia]: “this position taken by the Bush administration and its supporters, has been and still is being disputed by numerous legal experts. According to most members of the Security Council, it is up to the council itself, and not individual members, to determine how the body’s resolutions are to be enforced.”
I’m aware of that, too. It would seem to argue *against* our invasion of Iraq.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
2:05 pm
“actually one of the definitions of denigrated is:
to treat or represent as lacking in value or importance; belittle; disparage”
So what did we do? Tell them their virgins wear Army boots? Go “Thhbbbppt!” Call them “sissy boys”?
I’m not going to “disparage” Hope & Punt ™ for gaffes he made in off-the-cuff remarks, but trying to justify his obvious mistake is going a bit too far, even for you, Granny.
getalife
May 23rd, 2011
2:05 pm
“Otherwise, that prediction of Rapture might actually turn out to be true, huh”
I think I will go to Dallas as soon as I see one coming.
Peadawg
May 23rd, 2011
2:07 pm
“And apparently they aren’t going to introduce a jobs bill either.”
I seem to have missed Obama’s laser-like focus on jobs the past two years….
Common Sense
May 23rd, 2011
2:08 pm
And there is a price for war. It is not temporary. if we are giving land back lost in wars, I am sure the Mexicans and the Spanish and the British would like to get in line.
But let them stand behind the American Indians first.
There is no “right of return”. You lose that right when you “lose a war”.
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
2:08 pm
Thulsa
No civics fail, big fella, I know the requirements….I also know we came out ahead. (Missed all the GOP’s fighting that battle…tee hee)
AND….the tax decreases for the wealthiest of American will be a prime 2012 campaign issue – one you will not win.
80 plus % of Americans want to raise revunue with increased taxes…..
I’d suggest you just give up now, but you aren’t wise enough to see the writing on the wall and are vile enough to try and take everyone else down with you.
Good luck with that.
Common Sense
May 23rd, 2011
2:09 pm
…and all the liberals have is a weak President. You only hope things cannot get worse….
Peadawg
May 23rd, 2011
2:09 pm
“Obama’s Cadillac gets stuck on ramp ”
http://ajc.newsinc.com/video.html?wid=1529&cid=5051&vid=23417220&freewheel=12699&sitesection=ajc&plg=1527
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
2:09 pm
So what did we do? Tell them their virgins wear Army boots? Go “Thhbbbppt!” Call them “sissy boys”?
Even worse than all of those^^^. We made their women take off their hijab BEFORE the wedding, so that the fellas could see what they were really getting.
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
2:10 pm
two years into the Obama Presidency and all the GOP has got is a weak bench…
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:10 pm
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
1:58 pm
doom
I think you really hate this president, a little word parsing shouldn’t set you off so emotionally…
Mick,
I just have fun with him because he has so many verbal gaffes. Didn’t we have fun with Dan Quayle for the same stuff?
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
1:56 pm
Doom,
Is there no end to your faux poutrages? You are getting worse than jm, and that’s saying alot.
Bosch,
Calm down. I’m just having some fun with him over his many gaffes.
If I really want to be outraged I’ll start with record shattering debt- what’s he run up 4-5 trillion so far? 2011 FY deficit of 1.65 trillion? Its 2011- can’t blame this one on W.
Then I’ll complain about his own administration projecting enormous deficits through the year 2020.
Then I’ll start on the high unemployment numbers, then we’ll move to the hyper inflation that’s looming and $4 a gallon gas which is hurting poor and middle class people, then we’ll move to the devastation of the U.S. dollar under Obama, then we’ll talk about the dramatic rise in the numbers of people now on food stamps(1 in 6 Americans now) and on medicaid, then we’ll talk about the humiliating downgrading of U.S. debt. I don’t hate Obama- I just hate blatant incompetence.
But then what did you really expect when you elected a community organizer with ZERO executive experience who was something like 150 days into his first term as a senator when he decided to run for potus. Seriously? When you elect this kind of incompetent with an incredibly underwhelming resume what did you really expect?
MPercy
May 23rd, 2011
2:11 pm
Debbie: The UN passed about a dozen or so resolutions on Iraq after Bush took office. Resolution 1441 laid the foundation for the Bush Administration’s war.
I know that Wikipedia is not authoratative but:
On September 12, 2002, U.S. President George W. Bush addressed the General Assembly and outlined a catalogue of complaints against the Iraqi government.[1] These included:
* “In violation of Security Council Resolution 1373, Iraq supports terrorist organizations that direct violence against Iran, Israel, and Western governments….And al-Qaida terrorists escaped from Afghanistan are known to be in Iraq.”
* The United Nations Commission on Human Rights in 2001 found “extremely grave” human rights violations
* Iraqi production and use of weapons of mass destruction (biological weapons, chemical weapons, and long-range missiles), all in violation of U.N. resolutions.
* Iraq used proceeds from the “oil for food” U.N. program to purchase weapons rather than food for its people.
* Iraq flagrantly violated the terms of the weapons inspection program before discontinuing it altogether.
Following the speech, intensive negotiations began with other members of the Security Council. In particular, three permanent members (with veto power) of the Council were known to have misgivings about an invasion of Iraq: Russia, China, and France.
In the meantime, Iraq, while denying all charges, announced that it would permit the re-entry of United Nations arms inspectors into Iraq. The United States characterized this as a ploy by Iraq and continued to call for a Security Council resolution which would authorize the use of military force.[citation needed]
The resolution text was drafted jointly by the United States and the United Kingdom, the result of eight weeks of tumultuous negotiations, particularly with Russia and France. France questioned the phrase “serious consequences” and stated repeatedly that any “material breach” found by the inspectors should not automatically lead to war; instead the UN should pass another resolution deciding on the course of action. In favour of this view is the fact that previous resolutions legitimizing war under Chapter VII used much stronger terms, like “…all necessary means…” in Resolution 678 in 1990 and that Resolution 1441 stated that the Security Council shall “remain seized of the matter.”
On November 8, 2002, the Security Council passed Resolution 1441 by a unanimous 15-0 vote; Russia, China, France, and Arab countries such as Syria voted in favor, giving Resolution 1441 wider support than even the 1990 Gulf War resolution.
Peadawg
May 23rd, 2011
2:12 pm
“http://www.ajc.com/news/women-protest-forest-park-955157.html
“The women at Monday’s protest were showing their displeasure with an ordinance passed two weeks ago that bans breastfeeding children over 2 years old in public.”
Um…question…why the hell are 2 yr olds still breast feeding?
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
2:15 pm
**If I really want to be outraged I’ll start with record shattering debt- what’s he run up 4-5 trillion so far?**
Absolutely incorrect number, I’m really getting tired of debunking this. Just because if you keep saying it – doesn’t make it true, now or tomorrow…get real.
Where's My Party?
May 23rd, 2011
2:16 pm
Still spreading this absolute twisting of the truth I see. I could type less and just call it a lie I guess. Lie is thrown about here just as much as racist these days. Oh, and “fail”. I’ll start over.
Still spreading this lie I see.
“….the tax decreases for the wealthiest of Americans…”
Kamchak
May 23rd, 2011
2:16 pm
Um…question…why the hell are 2 yr olds still breast feeding?
Better question…what has that got to do with you?
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
2:18 pm
“I seem to have missed Obama’s laser-like focus on jobs the past two years….”
I’m not surprised Peadawg, hate will make you blind.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:18 pm
two years into the Obama Presidency and all the DemoRATs have is a complete disaster…
Granny,
I fixed your typos for you. You’re welcome!
Tracy
May 23rd, 2011
2:18 pm
What a joke.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
2:18 pm
MPercy, can you please point to the *specific* language that authorized military action on the part of any UN member state against Iraq in 2003?
I’ve been through every one of the applicable UN resolutions repeatedly, but I’ve never been able to find language that *conclusively* authorizes it. There’s language that suggests and implies military action, but nothing I’ve ever been able to find that clearly states ‘one or more of us will go in if this happens/doesn’t happen.’
You’d think that if a body were authorizing military action, that they’d do so in clear and unambiguous language.
Chris
May 23rd, 2011
2:18 pm
jay, ONE very big fallacy that debunks your entire article. NO WHERE has Herman Cain said, in your words “hasn’t been important enough to him to justify study and thought.” JUST because he is intelligent enough to know that experts and generals should be used in planning war efforts, does NOT mean he doesn’t have thoughts or opinions on it. JUST he will not impose them until he has heard from experts.
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2011
2:19 pm
Better question…what has that got to do with you?
Mo’ better question: Are the cops going to ask to see the kid’s ID before handing the mom a ticket?
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
2:19 pm
“There is no “right of return”. You lose that right when you “lose a war”.”
Common Sense, TESTIFY!
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:20 pm
Zombies en masse today so I’ll have to pull the zombie card.
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
2:20 pm
Thulsa
Thanks, but I have expectation regarding intellectutal ability and acuity in my editors….and frankly you plainly aren’t bright enough to correct my typos.
I could use a good man with the laundry. Can you wash whites and not make them pink?
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
2:22 pm
“Even worse than all of those^^^. We made their women take off their hijab BEFORE the wedding, so that the fellas could see what they were really getting.”
Well, I guess that’s better than the “Oh, CRAP. . .” moment some of them might have had, DDR.
Kamchak
May 23rd, 2011
2:22 pm
Are the cops going to ask to see the kid’s ID before handing the mom a ticket?
Well, at the age of two years old the only ID that kids gonna have is a birth certificate.
Hope mom’s got the long form.
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
2:23 pm
There are so many things wrong with Thulsa’s rant, I don’t know what to correct him on first. How about that claim of a humiliating downgrade of US debt. You got a linkee for that thingee. Or, just tell me what you think it was downgraded to and by whom. Did it go from AAA to BB- with negative outlook at S&P.
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
2:24 pm
Doom: Then I’ll start on the high unemployment numbers,
JOBS BILLS!! Isn’t that what the repubs were screaming would be their PRIORITY if they were elected to office last year? Whatever happened to those “priorities?”
then we’ll move to the hyper inflation that’s looming and $4 a gallon gas
OBAMA sets gas prices!?!
OMG! I had no idea! Someone call Exxon and let them know!
which is hurting poor and middle class people,
Well then why, in 2010 didn’t the repugs want to extend unemployment for all those “hurting” folks when they had a chance? they seemed more worried about extending tax cuts for the wealthy than worrying about Joe Blow.
then we’ll move to the devastation of the U.S. dollar under Obama,
The dollar was dropping BEFORE Obama took office!! Or did that just happen to get by you while you were sleeping?
then we’ll talk about the dramatic rise in the numbers of people now on food stamps(1 in 6 Americans now) and on medicaid,
Helllllooooo Repub jobs bill……….. Number one priority………
Or what about cutting off all that “welfare” for oil companies etc.? Why won’t the repubs do that?
I don’t hate Obama- I just hate blatant incompetence.
You must’ve REALLY hated Dubya!
Benjamin
May 23rd, 2011
2:24 pm
With all due respect, I would rather an African-American not speak on behalf of Israel even if he’s defending it.
Your culture in the US has always been one with bitterness and hatred towards the Jewish community and to be quite frank, we don’t want your support Cain. Go help your own and quick sucking up to a community we all know deep down you hate.
Logic 05
May 23rd, 2011
2:24 pm
Jay is such a partisan…a complete democratic lapdog.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
2:24 pm
RE Obama stuck on “ramp”. I bet the Secret Service was very unhappy about that….
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
2:24 pm
I really could use some help with keyboarding…(and my spelling is atrocious!)
Thulsa I could use a new secretary…..Can you make coffee?
jm
May 23rd, 2011
2:26 pm
The current “POTUS”. Can also be abbreviated: “1TBHO”
HDB
May 23rd, 2011
2:26 pm
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
1:07 pm
“When Herman Cain ran for the US Senate in Georgia, he got NO support from the GOP in Georgia; Also known as the “We have to support Johnny Isakson at all costs” strategy.”
Also known that a black man running for statewide office as a Republican had NO CHANCE of getting the votes of rank-and-file Georgia Republicans…particularly in South Georgia….and what’s indicative of South Georgia would be indicative of the nation at large!!
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
2:28 pm
“With all due respect, I would rather an African-American not speak on behalf of Israel even if he’s defending it.
Your culture in the US has always been one with bitterness and hatred towards the Jewish community and to be quite frank, we don’t want your support Cain. Go help your own and quick sucking up to a community we all know deep down you hate.”
Probably the most racist post of the month, let alone the day.
You’d rather an African-American not speak on behalf of Israel? Really? So I guess you’d just rather not have the current President say anything either, right, Benjamin?
Oh, and please provide any proof whatsoever that Herman Cain hates Jews.
The silence will be deafening.
Common Sense
May 23rd, 2011
2:28 pm
Even if there was some mythical “right of return”, would it really apply to those that had never been there?
Those under 45 would not even have Jay’s mythical rights.
Imagine how wars would be if you had to eliminate the enemy to prevent this mythical right of return? If you did not wipe out the enemy, in 45 years they would be demanding their land back.
There is a cost associated with war. That cost does not go away when the attackers demand it.
buck@gon
May 23rd, 2011
2:28 pm
Themist @10:10,
“So Jay is a “liberal” because he uses his column to expose the indisputable fact that the GOP party is a party of extreme ideas right now? That’s weird. So if Jay’s a “liberal”, then what are you, an anti-liberal?”
“Indisputable?…. fact?…..extreme?…. ”
Call me whatever you want.
If these adjectives are what you think is going to convince the electorate NOT to vote republican, then that’s fine. We must have an ongoing degradation of dialogue in this country if all we can do is attack people (as I admit I have done to Jay today) rather than ideas. Hence the labels.
The labeling itself does not bother me, as it seems to bother you, themist. I’m not that tyrannical about what you or anyone else thinks. I’m in for the fight, win or lose.
What bothers me is the media machine from Washington, NY and its satellite arms everywhere that seems to think things like “Cain is unelectable, period.”
Go ahead and think things like that if you want. I’m here to remind everyone of things like what Colin Powell said about then candidate Barack Obama to address the concerns of his zero leadership or management experience: “well, he ran his election campaign.”
Therefore, the bar is lower now. If you can run your campaign successfully, you can win. I hope Cain or anyone else to get the same treatment.
He won’t though, because liberals are liberals, and people like Jay attack conservatives preemptorily to weaken them. No matter who the republican nominee is, he will have a pre-concocted pre-fabricated load of baggage around his neck the day he is nominated, so that, during the general campaign, people like Katie Couric can ask, “Hey, what about that issue?…..”
Guarding the back door from attack from people like me are people like YOU, who try to get us dismissed out-of-hand because you hope to make some label stick.
Go ahead themist. Find me an extreme right-wing policy and name it. Let’s discuss it right here. Let’s take an informal poll of bloggers on this JB site to see whether it’s extreme or not.
Otherwise, I’d guess you’re just fishing for BS you hope to stick.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:29 pm
80 plus % of Americans want to raise revunue with increased taxes…..- granny godzilla
Granny,
I see that you are practicing your comedy routine today. Source please? 80 plus % of Americans want to raise revenue with taxes? That is just wayyyyyyy toooooo funnnnnnnnnnyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!
I would have thought that some semblance of critical thinking skills would have allowed you to figure out that this is a complete BS stat.
I did find a poll from CBS that showed that 51% of Americans were ok with letting the Bush tax cuts “for the wealthy” expire. And that mind you only encompasses them wanting to raise taxes on the rich only. I wonder where this mythical poll of yours is that shows that Americans overall 80% plus want to raise their own taxes to increase federal tax revenues. You’ll probably find this poll in the same place where you libs tend to find those chocolate unicorns- fantasy land.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20016602-503544.html
BTW granny here also is another poll from that bastion of liberalism the Huffington post showing that most Americans feel they are paying enough in taxes.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/14/tax-rate-poll_n_848980.html
jm
May 23rd, 2011
2:30 pm
Dave R 2:28 – I think that post was in jest. As in “Benjamin”, of “Benjamin Netanyahu”. And a reference to the dressing down Bibi gave Obama.
Common Sense
May 23rd, 2011
2:30 pm
“Well then why, in 2010 didn’t the repugs want to extend unemployment for all those “hurting” folks when they had a chance? they seemed more worried about extending tax cuts for the wealthy than worrying about Joe Blow.”
Because as Obama has proven beyond a doubt, jobless benefits does not create jobs.
Common Sense
May 23rd, 2011
2:31 pm
There is no more ignorant a statement than the following:
“welfare” for oil companies etc”
Keeping what you have earned has never been called welfare.
The oil companies are merely reclaiming taxes paid overseas on their earnings. As every other American business does.
Only if you did not earn it can you call it welfare.
buck@gon
May 23rd, 2011
2:32 pm
Adam @ 10:11,
Taking bets? How stupid do you think we are?
Since Barry-O is the Democrat nominee (we may safely assume), his chances are roughly 50/50. Since the republican field has not even gotten together, their individual chances must only add up to 50/50.
Right now it’s not a contest, of course.
But the election ain’t right now, is it?
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
2:33 pm
“I think that post was in jest. As in “Benjamin”, of “Benjamin Netanyahu”. And a reference to the dressing down Bibi gave Obama.”
jm, I’m not convinced it was in jest. And if it was, maybe that poster should learn to use emoticons to denote jest. Let’s see how this one plays out.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
2:35 pm
**dressing down Bibi gave Obama**
“Beauty is in the eye of the beholder”, bibi is small potatoes…
jm
May 23rd, 2011
2:35 pm
“BTW granny here also is another poll from that bastion of liberalism the Huffington post showing that most Americans feel they are paying enough in taxes.”
Well 1/2 of them are wrong, because 1/2 of them don’t pay any (income) taxes.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:35 pm
Also known that a black man running for statewide office as a Republican had NO CHANCE of getting the votes of rank-and-file Georgia Republicans…particularly in South Georgia….and what’s indicative of South Georgia would be indicative of the nation at large!!- HDB
Race card alert! You knew it was coming. Strategy 2 of the Democratic strategy right on cue.
DemoRAT strategy
1- blame bush
2- scream racism
3- bash palin
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
2:37 pm
jm @ 2:30 pm – a reference to the dressing down Bibi gave Obama
Bib’s Big Blunder:
Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu had an excellent response to President Obama’s major speech on the Arab world and the Israel-Palestinian conflict. But it came two days too late, and the net result is another hasbara (propagandistical publicity — ed.) disaster for Jerusalem.
Netanyahu said on Saturday that Obama had “shown his commitment to Israel’s security, both in word and deed,” in Thursday’s Presidential speech, adding: “We are working with the administration to achieve common goals.”
Why couldn’t he have said that on Thursday, instead of immediately rejecting Obama’s views on moving peace talks forward?
And for more on Bibi’s performance, please see James Fallows’ post, The Dick Cheney of Israel. I’m not sure, but I don’t think he means it as a compliment.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
2:38 pm
RepbliCON strategy
1. Blame all bush deficits on obama endlessly
2. Blame the whole real estate collapse on fannie/freddi
3. End medicare with sleight of hand
4. Credit torture with getting bin laden
No matter the lies on both sides, it will be a very close election, but like his predecessor, obama most likely will prevail…
BADA BING
May 23rd, 2011
2:38 pm
Monday mumblings………A GOP Hispanic group has asked Porsche to reconsider their move here due to the new immigration law. Porsche dismissed their request. Sorry, amigos, and don’t get the Germans mad at you. Ask around.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:41 pm
Taxypayer,
Go back to your little corner. I’m putting you in timeout.
S&P stood for surprise and provocation last week, after Standard & Poor’s revised the outlook on its triple-A rating of U.S. debt to negative from stable.
The credit-rating agency questioned whether President Barack Obama, a Democrat, and the Republican-controlled House of Representatives could strike a deal to rein in yawning federal budget deficits before the 2012 presidential election.
The bond and stock markets initially swooned on S&P’s announcement, but soon recovered on optimism that the bombshell might force both sides to work together. The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note ended the week at 3.41%, little changed from 3.40% the week before.
The revision means that the states of Delaware, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Minnesota and Missouri all have stronger credit profiles than the nation, according to S&P. To add injury to insult, four U.S.-domiciled triple-A-rated nonfinancial corporations also have a better outlook: Automatic Data Processing (ticker: ADP), ExxonMobil (XOM), Johnson & Johnson (JNJ) and Microsoft (MSFT).
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
2:41 pm
Common: Keeping what you have earned has never been called welfare.
The oil companies are merely reclaiming taxes paid overseas on their earnings. As every other American business does.
Only if you did not earn it can you call it welfare.
OK then let’s call it TAX SUBSIDIES. How’s that?
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
2:42 pm
Oops I forgot to add – Did the oil companies EARN those tax subsidies? And if so, how?
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
2:44 pm
“The Dick Cheney of Israel. I’m not sure, but I don’t think he means it as a compliment.”
OMG, that’s tooooooo funny.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:45 pm
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
2:24 pm
I really could use some help with keyboarding…(and my spelling is atrocious!)
Thulsa I could use a new secretary…..Can you make coffee?
Granny,
Come on now. We both know you’ve never held a job. But I’ll come over to your section 8 housing anyway and make you some coffee- I do make a great pot of joe. Just be sure to head over to the grocery store with your food stamps and get some of the good stuff- Starbucks preferably. And after coffee I’ll take you to your medicaid doctor to check on that hypertension for ya- don’t want it to rise too much from taht great cup of brew.
Jefferson
May 23rd, 2011
2:46 pm
No war won in 1946, just use the 1947 boundaries…
Joe Cool~"PRESIDENT Obama" Tells Birthers,"Thanks For Playing BI+CHES"
May 23rd, 2011
2:46 pm
“The current “POTUS”. Can also be abbreviated: “1TBHO””
Again, WHO DO YOU GUYS HAVE THAT CAN BEAT HIM?
*crickets*
buck@gon
May 23rd, 2011
2:46 pm
Debbie just now,
Both the 48 / 67 borders and the right of return are non-starters for Israel, Debbie.
How in the world does saying that in plain language constitute a blunder?
I would appreciate plain language from you this time too.
Joe Cool~"PRESIDENT Obama" Tells Birthers,"Thanks For Playing BI+CHES"
May 23rd, 2011
2:46 pm
“Probably the most racist post of the month, let alone the day.”
Nahhh, Kayacker21 won that award hands down.
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
2:47 pm
Doom: Come on now. We both know you’ve never held a job. But I’ll come over to your section 8 housing anyway and make you some coffee- I do make a great pot of joe. Just be sure to head over to the grocery store with your food stamps and get some of the good stuff- Starbucks preferably. And after coffee I’ll take you to your medicaid doctor to check on that hypertension for ya- don’t want it to rise too much from taht great cup of brew
How very condescending and “elitist” of you Doom. If one didn’t know any better, one would think that you were a “compassionate” conservative with talk like that.
buck@gon
May 23rd, 2011
2:48 pm
Joe (not) Cool just now,
Go back to your bedroom and play with your action figures.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:50 pm
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
2:42 pm
Oops I forgot to add – Did the oil companies EARN those tax subsidies? And if so, how?
“Over the past five years, we incurred a total U.S. tax expense of almost $59 billion, which is $18 billion more than we earned in the United States during the same period,” Kenneth Cohen, Exxon’s vice president of public and government affairs, said yesterday in a blog post on the company’s website. “Critics often try to ignore these facts by saying the oil and gas industry receives ‘subsidies.’ But what they really mean is that they want to increase our taxes by taking away long- standing deductions for our industry while leaving these same deductions in place for other sectors of the economy.”
Debbiedoright,
You need some help with your critical thinking skills. First of all this tax deduction is standard to many industries and businesses. Why should oil and gas only be singled out? Secondly the federal govt is not “subsidizing” anyone with these tax deductions. The govt is simply not confiscating as much of the money they earned. You get an ECONOMICS FAIL on this one.
Joe Cool~"PRESIDENT Obama" Tells Birthers,"Thanks For Playing BI+CHES"
May 23rd, 2011
2:51 pm
“Go back to your bedroom and play with your action figures.”
They’re called “collectables” these days!
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:54 pm
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
2:24 pm
Thulsa I could use a new secretary…..Can you make coffee?
Debbiedoright,
Oh. And the above statement by granny which garnered my response is not condescending and elitist? I guess I can now expect you to admonish her elitist and condescending statement in the interest of fairness and consistency. Right?
jm
May 23rd, 2011
2:55 pm
Joe Cool 2:46 – Romney or Huntsman.
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
2:56 pm
buck, those were not my words, I was quoting the article. Here’s another article on the subject, perhaps this author’s words can bring some light to your question:
Surely Netanyahu understood that with the gaps between the Israeli and Palestinian positions as wide as they are now, the Obama speech was not going to make a practical difference. The Palestinians are determined to push for statehood at the UN in September.
The President’s effort to derail that effort was not enough to get them back to the negotiating table that they left last fall.
Why, then, didn’t Bibi call the Palestinians’ bluff by welcoming the President’s speech as a good starting point for peace talks – the Israeli leader wasn’t obligated to embrace every aspect of the speech – and put the onus on Abbas and Co. to resume discussions?
Instead, the prime minister was so quick to assert that Israel could never abide by the pre-1967 borders that he appears to the world as the stumbling block to progress.
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
2:57 pm
Thulsa,
Apparently you do not know the difference between “outlook” and “downgrade”. They’re not interchangeable.
BADA BING
May 23rd, 2011
2:57 pm
I wonder if the President is going to have a 7 course meal in Ireland tonight? You know, a 6 pack and a potato.
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
2:58 pm
Taxpayer,
A Chinese credit rating agency- basically our bank- downgraded us. As did Weiss Sovereign Debt Ratings which downgraded us to a C. Back to your corner again!
buck@gon
May 23rd, 2011
2:59 pm
Debbie,
I’m amazed and aghast at your question: “Did the oil companies EARN those tax subsidies?”
My goodness! The US government is one of the few in the world that tax earnings from firms HQ here that may also be subjected to tax somewhere else, say, Japan. That the US government decides to waive the multiple taxation–that the same dollars earned are taxed by Japan and the US–is nothing to earn. It’s just good business!
Do you want all the oil companies to leave our shores so that they can just earn money?
The idea that you EARN tax subsidies is ludicrous and underscores the liberal mindset that all things must be somehow EARNED in your little minds. I don’t understand how you could possibly think this could work. What you are calling a “tax subsidy” is neither earned nor stolen; it is simply a matter of government policy made by either bureaucrats or elected officials independent of the MONEY that a firm EARNS.
That’s the EARNING that’s going on here, Debbie, in case you want to know or be really informed.
I don’t expect you to be informed though I pray for people like you. You have within you the ability to reason and see the truth, but you simply refuse to acknowledge what is true, when it conflicts with what you already know to be your liberal ideology built on a foundation of blowing sand.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
2:59 pm
Bada Bin 2:57 – an Obama 7 course meal has 9 courses…. Obama’s ego and counting abilities are over-inflated
Paulo977
May 23rd, 2011
2:59 pm
Obama in Ireland
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/obama-in-ireland-to-954657.html
Common Sense
May 23rd, 2011
2:59 pm
It’s not a subsidy either.
The oil companies earned those funds overseas. By bringing those dollars back to America they would face double taxation. They can leave those dollars overseas if they choose to.
Do you believe the government thinks that is in their best interest?
No, they would prefer to have those dollars reinvested in the US.
They realize the unfairness of the double taxation and correct it.
Then some stand on the street corners and scream “welfare” and “subsidies”.
All in order to score a few political points with their constituents, who do not know any better.
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
2:59 pm
Thulsa
Guess you can’t do laundry….
Nothing to be ashamed of….
As for coffee….remember real cream and 2 sugars.
straitroad
May 23rd, 2011
3:00 pm
Joe Mama,
You’re going to have to do a better job of comprehending what you read. My point was simply this: Cain may not be a great candidate, but he would be better than the guy with currently suffering with. At his very least, Cain understands American ideals and isn’t hostile toward them. Until you get the gumption to provide for yourself, you will continue to vote for any candidate who promises to give you what someone else has earned. Let’s just be truthful here, that is the real reason that you, Jay, and all other liberal-minded people voted for Obama, Barry Soetero, or whoever this guy is.
Tundra Dude
May 23rd, 2011
3:01 pm
Herman Cain doesn’t take the presidency seriously
*Exactly* the impression I got (various reasons), reading his tv interview late last nite.
The Answerman, he’s not.
The day before, he said; “Hope and Change doesn’t work”…………
so there’s no point in changing presidents……??