Herman Cain doesn’t take the presidency seriously
Did I mention that Herman Cain is not a legitimate candidate for president?
Last week, you may recall, Cain refused to reveal what his policy would be toward Afghanistan. We’ve been fighting there for almost a decade; more than 100,000 American soldiers are putting their lives on the line as we sit here, and Cain, a man who criticizes President Obama for not having a clear foreign policy, says he doesn’t want to “shoot from the lip” by suggesting what course this country should take next.
He says that once elected, he would talk to the experts and generals and come up with a plan about what to do. As I noted at the time, it’s the kind of answer Miss South Carolina might give in the beauty pageant Q&A. In fact, such a lack of preparation is downright disrespectful. Cain is offering himself as a potential commander in chief and asking people to take him seriously, yet the issue of American troops fighting and dying in a far-off land for almost a decade simply hasn’t been important enough to him to justify study and thought.
And then there’s this:
In his announcement speech Saturday, Cain accused President Obama of “throwing Israel under the bus.” On Sunday, Fox News put Cain on the air, sitting him down for an interview with Chris Wallace:
Cain has clearly never encountered the term “right of return,” a phrase familiar to anyone who has done even 20 minutes of research into the Middle East conundrum. He does not know that the Palestinian claim of a “right of return,” if implemented, would mean hundreds of thousands if not millions of Palestinians now living elsewhere would be allowed to return to live in what is now the heart of Israel. He proudly claims that he would offer the Palestinians nothing, yet in saying that the right of return is something to be negotiated, he offers them everything, right down to the destruction of Israel. Yet in that ignorance, he feels qualified to assert what he calls “the Cain doctrine” regarding the Middle East.
I’m sorry. You forfeit any claim as a legitimate candidate if you do not even know what the term “right of return” means. As with the Afghanistan issue, it reflects not merely a lack of knowledge, but even worse, a basic lack of interest and respect for the high office that he seeks and for the voters who support him.
Cain talks a lot about his business career. Well, any job candidate who walked into an interview as proudly ill-prepared as Cain would be bounced out the door immediately.
– Jay Bookman
UPDATE: Cain has issued the following “clarification”:
“Stockbridge, GA)- In an interview this morning on FOX News Sunday with Christopher Wallace, Herman Cain addressed the issue of “right of return” for the country of Israel. In clarification of these remarks, Mr. Cain released the following statement:
I have long been a vocal and unwavering supporter of our friend and ally, Israel.
All Israeli governments have rejected the “right” of large numbers of Arabs or Palestinians to return to what is now the state of Israel. Such an en masse return would unbalance Israel’s demographic makeup as the world’s sole Jewish state.
In this light, should the “right of return” “be negotiated,” as I said, “if that is a decision that Israel wants to make”? Certainly, and to reiterate, it’s Israel’s call. Israel has a long record of being more gracious to its enemies than its enemies are to it, and this would be yet another example of that. But is the “right of return” a moral imperative? Is it something Israel must grant? Is it something the United States ought to encourage?
The answer is no on every count.
Our policy on Palestinian affairs must be wholly a function of our policy on Israeli affairs. Israel is a friend. Israel is an ally. Israel shares common values with us. Israel shares common interests with us, especially in the eradication of terrorism and the need for bringing peace to the region. As President, I will never lose sight of these basic facts. Any aspirant to the Presidency must have the unshakable US-Israeli alliance at the core of his or her strategic vision in the Middle East.
As your President, I would. “
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jm
May 23rd, 2011
12:16 pm
Bosch 12:08 – you did. Insinuating anything about how I feel about the loss of life, and the large non lethal casualties, is insulting. You have no idea how I feel about the wars, and our military.
Joe Mama 12:12 ” we haven’t gone to war” by whose definition? Oh, and I have read it. 90 days buddo
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
12:18 pm
All you folks who keep blathering on about being qualified, try running for any office first, then winning. Once you’ve done that, try running for president. Fight through all the primaries for six months and win that. Get to the general election and campaign non-stop for the next four months then win that election to become president. When you win, you are immediately qualified for four years…
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
12:18 pm
@@ –
it always makes me think Sid Viscous should be the spokesperson for WD-40
Midori
May 23rd, 2011
12:19 pm
The New York Post has reported that Obamas team is trying to dig up dirt on Christie because they are afraid that he might run for Pres.
Jesus – I haven’t seen so many “scared” democrats in my life!!
The only thing Obama has to fear from Christie is that Christie will eat him.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:20 pm
The War Powers Act is nothing but an invitation to interventionism. Period.
There isn’t a single use of the War Powers Act where the security of the United States was directly threatened. None.
It has never been seriously challenged in court, but it needs to be. If you put American servicemen and women into combat over another country’s border, you should need a declaration of war from Congress to do so. The War Powers Act merely feeds into the desire of do-gooders and those who do not respect the sovereignty of other nations to interfere, when they wold be the first to claim sovereignty if anyone dared interfere in ours.
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
12:21 pm
unlike the Queen, Obama actually sampled their wares!!
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/obama_rooting_for_ireland_european_Olr7hpHM9jp4BgkMx5nZCP
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:22 pm
“The only thing Obama has to fear from Christie is that Christie will eat him.”
Or fall on him.
jm
May 23rd, 2011
12:22 pm
Dave R 12:20 – and it exempts chicken-sh-t Congress from making hard decisions. Although it does serve a purpose in the event of an emergency, but like everything out of DC, it gets massively abused.
Curtis Durden
May 23rd, 2011
12:22 pm
Jaw Bookman, you are not credible or viable as a source of information. Why don’t you tell us about Obama’s vast experience that qualified him to be president. What has the man really done? Increased our debt, imposed unwanted govt. mandates, made friends with enemies and enemies of friends. Why are you lefties so in love with him? He is not credible, nor experienced, should not be president, and it’s people like you and your couple of followers that enable the Obamas in this world. If you compare the two resumes, education, real job experience, and their ideas on this countries future, the only credible and legitimate candidate is Herman Cain.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
12:23 pm
jm — “Joe Mama 12:12 ” we haven’t gone to war” by whose definition?”
We didn’t get a war declaration for Iraq, therefore Iraq couldn’t have been a war, right?
And we’re nowhere *near* as militarily involved in Libya as we were in Iraq, so if Iraq wasn’t a war and Libya’s not as much of an involvement as Iraq, then Libya can’t be a war.
It’s really simple, jm. If you’re going to condemn Obama once we’ve gone over 90 days in Libya, then logically, you have to condemn President Bush for Iraq. On the flip side, if you give President Bush a pass for Iraq, then logically you have to give President Obama a pass for Libya.
Frankly, I’m coming down *against* our involvement in Libya once things go over 90 days there. But don’t look to me to vote Republican, because the GOP’s still defending our undeclared war in Iraq.
My only question here is which way will you go? For both, against both or will you instead become a flip-flopping partisan?
“Oh, and I have read it. 90 days buddo”
Then get a calendar, because we’re not at 90 days yet, ‘friendo.’ :p
Wondering ?
May 23rd, 2011
12:23 pm
If Cain had merely voted “Present” would Jay say he was qualified?
USinUK
May 23rd, 2011
12:24 pm
Dave –
get in mah belly!
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:24 pm
“Dave R 12:20 – and it exempts chicken-sh-t Congress from making hard decisions.”
Isn’t that a redundant statement, jm?
jm
May 23rd, 2011
12:25 pm
Joe Mama- you’re a real jack-ss aren’t you
“We didn’t get a war declaration for Iraq, therefore Iraq couldn’t have been a war, right?”
AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ RESOLUTION OF 2002
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/html/PLAW-107publ243.htm
Bye Joe Mama, you so discredit yourself, you’re clueless or a moron
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:26 pm
Oh, and jm? Ignore Joe Mama. I do, now. I learned early on why he was no longer welcome in the GOP.
Insufferable a$$es aren’t welcomed in too many places.
pb
May 23rd, 2011
12:26 pm
All of you who love Herman Cain, remember we are in GA and most of you are too biased in his favor, because of the local connection. The rest of the country has hardly heard of him. In addition, he does not have enough money to compete on a national level. And although a “different” type of candidate, he seems to not know all the issues that well. Ultimately, he will lose out to better canidates.
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
12:26 pm
Mick hit the nail on the head. Obama was experienced enough to get elected which was more than the GOP nominee, with all of his years of service as a professional politician, was capable of doing.
Jay
May 23rd, 2011
12:26 pm
It’s already been taken down, Dave R.
Cynthia Who?
May 23rd, 2011
12:27 pm
And Obama was more legitimate? No business experience, a community organizer who’s inititives in Chicago have failed, and a short term congress member who voted present for everything. Give me a break. You and Cynthia are the most biased writers I have every seen. You too are part of the Obama fan club
jm
May 23rd, 2011
12:27 pm
Dave R 12:24 “redundant” yes, I guess so
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:28 pm
Thank you, Montrell D for finally playing the “uncle tom” card!
Coulda made money on THAT happening . . .
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
May 23rd, 2011
12:28 pm
Montrell D
May 23rd, 2011
12:25 pm
I kind of figured we couldn’t get through lunch without a lib playing the race card.
BeeJay
May 23rd, 2011
12:29 pm
When will AJC rid themselves of this clown?
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
12:29 pm
I learned early on why he was no longer welcome in the GOP.
Spoken like a true “I’m not a Republican” party member.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
12:30 pm
jm — “Joe Mama- you’re a real jack-ss aren’t you”
Nope. I’m honest, forthright and I push back.
“We didn’t get a war declaration for Iraq, therefore Iraq couldn’t have been a war, right?”
I love it when they do this.
“AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ RESOLUTION OF 2002
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/html/PLAW-107publ243.htm”
Not seeing anything in there about a declaration of war. Please point out to me exactly where in that document war is declared.
“Bye Joe Mama”
Bye, jm. Whereya going? (pointing, laughing)
“you so discredit yourself, you’re clueless or a moron”
Show me where Congress declared war against Iraq, please.
Midori
May 23rd, 2011
12:33 pm
USinUK @ 12:24
good one, Dave!!
whoa!! Joe Mama – you’re the MAN!!! You made jm stop hiding behind his thesaurus :0
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:33 pm
“Obama was experienced enough to get elected which was more than the GOP nominee, with all of his years of service as a professional politician, was capable of doing.”
Which is all the blind left has when the ensuing results of 2+ years of failure and his lack of real-world experience is called into question. Goofy could have posted “Well, he got himself elected, didn’t he – gawrsh?” (and has many times), but that doesn’t wipe away this woeful President’s lack of leadership, business and economic experience from day one, and continuing through 2011.
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
12:34 pm
Wake up people! Owning a part of the major banks in America is not a bad thing. We could make a profit while solving a problem. But the mainstream media and the free market purists want you to believe that this is the end of capitalism as we know it. …These actions by the Treasury, the Federal Reserve Bank and the actions by the Federal Depositors Insurance Corporation (FDIC) are all intended to help solve an unprecedented financial crisis.
Herman Cain 2008
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:35 pm
“Spoken like a true “I’m not a Republican” party member.”
The difference is that I left voluntarily due to policy differences, Taxxie.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
12:35 pm
Dave R. — “Oh, and jm? Ignore Joe Mama. I do, now.”
Your attention is welcomed, Dave. Have a nice day.
“I learned early on why he was no longer welcome in the GOP.”
Because they don’t like people who disagree with certain parts of the party line, and because there are assumptions and presumptions they don’t want questioned by any of the party membership.
“Insufferable a$$es aren’t welcomed in too many places.”
Come now. The GOP has been most welcoming of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter. (laughing)
Don't Forget
May 23rd, 2011
12:35 pm
Where’s My Party?
May 23rd, 2011
12:03 pm
What our country needs now more than ever before is a leader, not a politician.
What is needed are leaderS/politiciansS that will work together to solve the nation’s problems rather than pursueing ideology at all costs. One guy can’t do it alone, the structure of our government won’t allow it.
Curtis Durden
May 23rd, 2011
12:37 pm
How tough was it for Obama to get his senate seat? The one that set him up for a premature trip to the White House. Just because you can get away with something on a technicality doesn’t mean you should. Where’s the honor and pride. I don’t get that from this president.
Jack
May 23rd, 2011
12:37 pm
Why is the right of return only applicable to Jews, Bookman? It was the Jews who dispossessed the Palestinians, remember? 60+ years of lies, fudging the facts, dodging the issue, ignoring countless UN resolutions, ethnic cleansing, apartheid and trying to re-write history can’t change that.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
12:38 pm
dave r
Do you remember nov 08? You and others make it sound like all the president had to do was_______ and everything would be hunk dory. Unfortunately, in the real world, there was this big pile of dung left at the doorstep and a crater a mile deep in the backyard. Reconstruction takes some time my friend, or don’t you realize that simple fact?
Race Card
May 23rd, 2011
12:38 pm
Jay, you’re just being a racist.
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
12:40 pm
Obama has done more to fix this country in the past two years than Bush did in his eight years. Nothing Goofy about that. All the Republicans are able to do is proclaim Obama a failure because, well, that’s all they have — faux proclamations.
McCain/Palin 2012. Another sure-fire winning ticket brought to you be the Republicans. Good luck with that.Chris Matthews
May 23rd, 2011
12:41 pm
Obama is the one who is clueless on everything! Worst President in American history! Pee Wee herman would be better than Obama!!!
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
12:42 pm
Dave R. — “The difference is that I left voluntarily due to policy differences, Taxxie.”
Aaaaand that’s different from *my* experience how, exactly?
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
12:43 pm
The difference is that I left voluntarily due to policy differences
You couldn’t sell ‘em on the advantages of the FairTax™
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:44 pm
Yes, Mick, I DO remember Nov 2008. I also know what caused it.
Unfortunately, Hope & Punt ™ doesn’t and has acted precipitously in trying to fix a problem he knows nothing about with solutions he doesn’t know what will accomplish.
Take a look at all the local governments that are going to raise taxes THIS year (or lay people off), because there is no longer any temporary Federal money to prop up THEIR lack of cojones when things got bad two years ago.
You’re about to see the beginnings of the double-dip recession, Mick, because one-time spending to prop up an economy (while accumulating massive debt you have no plan to pay down) never works in the long-term.
getalife
May 23rd, 2011
12:46 pm
They love him in Ireland.
Showed him guzzling some real beer much stronger than our beer.
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
12:47 pm
” We don’t need to rewrite the Constitution of the United States of America, we need to reread the Constitution and enforce the Constitution. … And I know that there are some people that are not going to do that, so for the benefit of those who are not going to read it because they don’t want us to go by the Constitution, there’s a little section in there that talks about “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
You know, those ideals that we live by, we believe in, your parents believed in, they instilled in you. When you get to the part about “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,” don’t stop there, keep reading. Cause that’s when it says “when any form of government becomes destructive of those ideals, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it.” We’ve got some altering and some abolishing to do!”
Herman Cain – Last Saturday
it’s the Declaration of Independence that states those things Mr. Cain not the Constitution
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
12:47 pm
jm 11:47 am: DDR 11:43 – I did make the Iraq war – Obama campaign promises comparison, but in a different context. Ie, I wasn’t arguing the magnitude
Which context?
I don’t sweat being called a Drama Queen, from the Queen of Drama Queens.
OK then I’ll call you the Drama Princess — I’ll take the crown as the Queen.
pp: The New York Post has reported that Obamas team is trying to dig up dirt on Christie because they are afraid that he might run for Pres.
It’s called P-O-L-I-T-C-S.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:47 pm
“Obama has done more to fix this country in the past two years than Bush did in his eight years.”
Not intended to be a factual statement.
They both were and are miserable Presidents.
truthpaste
May 23rd, 2011
12:49 pm
I use to hear on the Cain show, many callers that were so eager to get him to run for President. Where are you guys now, more importantly, where are those dollars that he clearly doesn’t have? Seems like his supporters were more hope and change than anybody else.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 23rd, 2011
12:49 pm
Dave R. “The War Powers Act merely feeds into the desire of do-gooders and those who do not respect the sovereignty of other nations to interfere, when they wold be the first to claim sovereignty if anyone dared interfere in ours.”
Tell that to the neocons.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:51 pm
“Where are you guys now, more importantly, where are those dollars that he clearly doesn’t have?”
We’re here, as are the dollars.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
12:51 pm
“Tell that to the neocons.”
LWM, as you know, I do. Would that others could be as consistent . . .
Keep Up the Good Fight!
May 23rd, 2011
12:51 pm
Pee Wee herman would be better than Obama!!!
Well at least with Pee Wee the Republicans would only be playing with themselves instead of trying to screw the entire country over and over. Pee Wee does however have a great handle on most of the Fox/Republican talking points…..pure childishness
Kamchak
May 23rd, 2011
12:53 pm
According to five lawsuits filed in federal court in 2004, Aquila’s board of directors—which Cain joined in 1992—allegedly steered employees into heavily investing their retirement savings in company stock. At the same time, the company shifted its business model from straightforward energy generation to risky energy trading, an unregulated market made infamous by now-defunct Enron. The suits, later folded into a single, massive class action (PDF), alleged that Cain and top company officials violated a 37-year-old federal law requiring that employers manage employees retirement programs responsibly. (Cain’s presidential exploratory committee did not respond to a request for comment.)
Presidential?
We’ll see.
Jay
May 23rd, 2011
12:55 pm
Actually, no you’re not, Dave R. (at least, not if you’re using the plural “you”):
http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/herman-cain-were-not-broke/
Tippy Canoe
May 23rd, 2011
12:56 pm
Dorkman- roll off your Obama doll and get a clue.
HDB
May 23rd, 2011
12:57 pm
pb
May 23rd, 2011
12:26 pm
When Herman Cain ran for the US Senate in Georgia, he got NO support from the GOP in Georgia…nor did he garner significant votes from South Georgia; if we extrapolate that to the Presidential race, there NO WAY that Cain could get 12% of the vote in GOP primaries…….
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
12:58 pm
LWM, as you know, I do. Would that others could be as consistent
Not intended to be a factual statement.
Wow. That was so easy. I should do it more often.
sven
May 23rd, 2011
1:01 pm
Looks like the lame-stream media has another scalp. he can sympathize with palin.
Captain Comet
May 23rd, 2011
1:02 pm
You’re ignorant….nu-huh YOU ARE. Stupid neocon…stupid liberal….Love the intellectual debates on Bookman’s blog.
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
1:03 pm
Dave R. “LWM, as you know, I do. Would that others could be as consistent . . .”
Doing so in 2003 got me called un-American, a terrorist sympathizer and a pro-Saddam pacifist.
And I’m a *disabled Army veteran,* for crying out loud.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
1:05 pm
Reading comprehension is your friend, Jay:
“Concerns over Mr. Cain’s ability to raise funds stems from a recent FEC report, which shows Mr. Cain’s Hermanator PAC with just $13 in contributions.
“The Hermanator PAC, we ceased that at the end of January — at the end of December. So, the people who are looking at the Hermanator PAC account, that’s inactive account,” Mr. Carin said. “We opened up a new one called Friends of Herman Cain which we will file July 15th, according to the FEC.”
Me? I can wait until July 15th to KNOW whether Herman is being supported monetarily, rather than idle speculation not born of facts. Feel free to continue your policy of idle speculation, however.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
1:05 pm
“Dorkman- roll off your Obama doll and get a clue.”
OK, crass, but funny!
Mr Right
May 23rd, 2011
1:06 pm
Well Tim Pawlenty announced he is running so it won’t be long till we hear from Jay blasting him for something! I guess that’s what Jay does so bring it on!!
The Commisison To BRING WOW BACK!! and other stupid Human Tricks
May 23rd, 2011
1:07 pm
BRING WOW BACK!!
Bookman unfair!!! WE MISS WOW!! Please bring him back from purgatory!!! He’s all alone over at Barr’s Blog with no one to play with except himself!!
Paid for by the committee to bring WOW back onto Bookman’s blog so that he can post 1,000 posts about nothing all day.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
1:07 pm
“When Herman Cain ran for the US Senate in Georgia, he got NO support from the GOP in Georgia”
Also known as the “We have to support Johnny Isakson at all costs” strategy.
There is no “favorite son” in this election to prop up, HDB.
Billings
May 23rd, 2011
1:08 pm
Obama was experienced enough to get elected which was more than the GOP nominee, with all of his years of service as a professional politician, was capable of doing.
Obama won because of an accomplished campaign staff. David Plouffe should have been elected president. The leftwing media should have been his veep.
larry
May 23rd, 2011
1:08 pm
Romney, Pawlenty, Cain, Johnson
Yet to decide, Palin, Bachman
It does not look good for the POG.
Wizard
May 23rd, 2011
1:09 pm
When a president (Obama) hasn’t accomplished anything positive, he and his comrades have to bash someone else.
MPercy
May 23rd, 2011
1:09 pm
“It’s really simple, jm. If you’re going to condemn Obama once we’ve gone over 90 days in Libya, then logically, you have to condemn President Bush for Iraq. On the flip side, if you give President Bush a pass for Iraq, then logically you have to give President Obama a pass for Libya.”
Nope. Say what you want about Mr. Bush, but at least when he took us to war in Afghanistan and Iraq, he did so having sought UN sanctions (on Iraq, esp.) and then Congressional approval before taking any actions. While not technically a declaration of war, it does undercut the oft-repeated “Bush’s illegal war” mantra, albeit this rebuttal usually is rewarded with a “well, Bush lied to Congress and tricked them into voting for the war”.
Mr. Obama, Mr. Biden, and Mrs. Clinton (then all sitting Senators) staunchly stated that if Mr Bush were to take action against Iran, without Congressional support, he would be be doing all manner of wrong things.
So when Mr. Obama ignores his own stated position and those of his VP and SecState, bypasses Congress entirely and strikes Libya, even if it was the right thing to do, I don’t have to give him a pass. Similarly, even if I disagreed with Mr. Bush’s war on Iraq, I at least can acknowledge that he played by the rules, such as they exist. Which is more than Mr Obama has done and is doing.
Let’s put this another way. Imagine a world where Mr. McCain had prevailed in the election. What would be the reaction of the left and the media (or did I repeat myself?) if Pres. McCain had initiated the exact same action on Libya for the exact same reasons. Would *anyone* on the left be defending the actions? I strongly doubt it.
Mr Right
May 23rd, 2011
1:09 pm
Larry— Any of those would be BETTER than that money spending, deficit skyrocketing, driving the country broke guy we have now!
getalife
May 23rd, 2011
1:11 pm
Jay is correct.
Cain is a joke not worthy of serious discussion of being a serious candidate.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
1:13 pm
dave r
Sometimes or most times your answers lack clear thinking. It just so happens that the smart local gov’ts took the stimulus money and banked a percentage of it, knowing full well that stimulus money would sunset. They spent a little and put the rest into reserves until the economy starts rebounding. Don’t blame incompetent local gov’ts on the federal gov’t. I don’t think anyone would meet whatever it is you’re looking for in a president, that mythical figure doesn’t exist…
sven
May 23rd, 2011
1:15 pm
The Irish love Obama.
DebbieDoRight
May 23rd, 2011
1:16 pm
Percy: Nope. Say what you want about Mr. Bush, but at least when he took us to war in Afghanistan and Iraq, he did so having sought UN sanctions (on Iraq, esp.) ‘
The sanctions on Iraq were started after the first Gulf War, the sanctions in Afghanistan started after the Taliban took over the government. PS: History classes are always ongoing at KSU — they can be your very best friend………………
Jefferson
May 23rd, 2011
1:16 pm
Cain has ZERO chance.
getalife
May 23rd, 2011
1:17 pm
Lets face it cons.
You got nothing.
Four more years!
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
1:18 pm
“driving the country broke guy we have now!”
Sorry, fella – Former President Bush and his side kick supply siders were the GPS on that one
When will we stop blaming Bush for the economy? Never, there is no statute of limitations on causing a near depression.
We may perhaps forgive him when we finally get the mess cleaned up.
Perhaps.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
1:18 pm
“You have no idea how I feel about the wars, and our military.”
Well, if you are going to insist upon equating Libya with Iraq, it’s painfully obvious you don’t give a rat’s ass about the men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice for this nation and instead care more about using them to score empty political points. Again, shame on you.
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
1:20 pm
Are you Republicans sure, I mean, really sure, really, really sure, that Pawlenty is ready, this time.
Don't Forget
May 23rd, 2011
1:25 pm
Bark stripped from trees in Joplin tornado. Hard to even imagine that.
Don't Forget
May 23rd, 2011
1:27 pm
I believe Willard Mitt Romney is gonna get the nomination.
Free Wheel
May 23rd, 2011
1:27 pm
There’s a big difference between running a business and acting as the President of the United States. Cain just proved why success in running a pizza business (into the ground) would not translate into success in leading a nation.
It’s not just about dollars and cents. It’s not about keeping the shareholders happy. It’s about diplomacy and nuance and all the things that businessmen aren’t concerned with.
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2011
1:28 pm
Doing so in 2003 got me called un-American, a terrorist sympathizer and a pro-Saddam pacifist.
And I’m a *disabled Army veteran,* for crying out loud.
As it did my F-i-L, a WWII Navy vet. What a country, huh?
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
1:31 pm
You also have no legitimate claim to be taken seriously if your basic knowledge of Europe and WW2 history is so appalling that you don’t know that the Austrians speak German- not Austrian as Obama claimed.
SouthGeorgia
May 23rd, 2011
1:32 pm
Well, let’s see. If the choice is between Obama and Cain, it is definitely CAIN! Obama has had his chance and he blew it.
Free Wheel
May 23rd, 2011
1:33 pm
If the choice is between Obama and Cain, it is definitely OBAMA! God knows how deep in the ruts of hell this country would be in today had McCain and Palin walked into the economic disaster inherited by Obama.
tony
May 23rd, 2011
1:34 pm
The current guy in the WH thought we had 57 states! News flash libs, BO IS an empty suit. My mother thinks BO is the second coming, and he is not. Face it, most Black folks I know (except me and my Pops) voted for BO because he was a democrat and Black…period. Sad, but true.
Mick
May 23rd, 2011
1:35 pm
**Is Obama going to campaign in 50 states this time or 57 states like he did the last time?**
Weak, really weak…I guess when you become president no slip of the tongue allowed…
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
1:35 pm
Taxpayer,
Is Obama going to campaign in 50 states this time or 57 states like he did the last time?
St Simons - we're on Island time
May 23rd, 2011
1:36 pm
If I were a con, I too would want to change this important subject.
I probably wouldn’t want to believe in evolution, either.
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2011
1:36 pm
so appalling that you don’t know that the Austrians speak German- not Austrian
Yeppers. referring to Austrian Standard German as “Austrian” clearly disqualifies this President. He should resign!
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2011
1:37 pm
The current guy in the WH thought we had 57 states!
jeez, the stupid is really burning bright today…
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
1:38 pm
He’s going to campain in 57 states 26 hours a day eight days a week…
Which by the way is not enough to show I care….
OOOOO I need you love babe, guess you know it’s true!
Gotta love the Beatles, even they understand exageration.
Bosch
May 23rd, 2011
1:38 pm
” He should resign!”
stands,
Personally, I think that is grounds for impeachment, don’t you?
Get It Right
May 23rd, 2011
1:39 pm
Jay doesn’t like Herman Cain – That’s a great reason to vote for him. Cain for President!
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
1:40 pm
Granny Godzilla
May 23rd, 2011
1:18 pm
“driving the country broke guy we have now!”
Sorry, fella – Former President Bush and his side kick supply siders were the GPS on that one
When will we stop blaming Bush for the economy? Never, there is no statute of limitations on causing a near depression.
We may perhaps forgive him when we finally get the mess cleaned up.
Perhaps.- Granny Godzilla
There ya go again! See. I told you guys that the DemoRAT plan for all 4 years of Obama’s presidency was to pull the Blame Bush card for all 4 years. And now its confirmed. Yep. The Zombies have confirmed that everything that happens in Obama’s 4 years is all Bush’s fault. There ya have it!
Joe Mama
May 23rd, 2011
1:40 pm
MPercy — “Nope. Say what you want about Mr. Bush, but at least when he took us to war in Afghanistan and Iraq, he did so having sought UN sanctions (on Iraq, esp.) and then Congressional approval before taking any actions.”
Irrelevant, given that he didn’t get a Congressional declaration of war and that our action was nowhere permitted, authorized or encouraged by any UN resolutions. If you disagree, then I would be interested in seeing the specific UN language that you believe authorizes our action. I won’t bother asking about Congressional language, since you concede that there was no declaration of war.
“While not technically a declaration of war”
I appreciate you conceding this point.
“it does undercut the oft-repeated “Bush’s illegal war” mantra, albeit this rebuttal usually is rewarded with a “well, Bush lied to Congress and tricked them into voting for the war.”
Without a Congressional declaration of war and without UN consent, then how, exactly, was the Iraq war legal, please?
“Mr. Obama, Mr. Biden, and Mrs. Clinton (then all sitting Senators) staunchly stated that if Mr Bush were to take action against Iran, without Congressional support, he would be be doing all manner of wrong things.”
I agree.
“So when Mr. Obama ignores his own stated position and those of his VP and SecState, bypasses Congress entirely and strikes Libya, even if it was the right thing to do, I don’t have to give him a pass.”
I disagree. If you don’t accept both justifications or reject both, then IMO you’re being logically inconsistent. I happen to reject both.
“Similarly, even if I disagreed with Mr. Bush’s war on Iraq, I at least can acknowledge that he played by the rules, such as they exist. Which is more than Mr Obama has done and is doing.”
He did no such thing. There was no declaration of war or UN authorization for action.
“Let’s put this another way. Imagine a world where Mr. McCain had prevailed in the election. What would be the reaction of the left and the media (or did I repeat myself?) if Pres. McCain had initiated the exact same action on Libya for the exact same reasons. Would *anyone* on the left be defending the actions? I strongly doubt it.”
I wouldn’t, but then again, I’m not defending Mr. Obama’s actions, either. But I am giving him his 90 days before I start complaining.
TaxPayer
May 23rd, 2011
1:42 pm
Is Obama going to campaign in 50 states this time or 57 states like he did the last time?
You should stick with that line while you’re out supporting your favorite Republican candidate, Thulsa. You’ll go far. Mix it up a little though and throw in something about how Obama wants to get rid of medicare and turn it into a voucher program and how he wants to run up the debt more so he can give the wealthiest another tax break and, you know, other little things like that.
Dave R.
May 23rd, 2011
1:42 pm
“It just so happens that the smart local gov’ts took the stimulus money and banked a percentage of it, knowing full well that stimulus money would sunset. They spent a little and put the rest into reserves until the economy starts rebounding.”
So Mick, you’re saying that it was just fine for local governments to LIE about their needs in asking for more dollars than they were going to spend, thereby putting this country further into even more dangerous levels of debt, in order to keep from raising local taxes and taking the responsibility their voters supposedly entrusted in them?
All to keep people from being laid off? Is THAT the kind of local officials you’re looking for?
@@
May 23rd, 2011
1:42 pm
Not bad…not bad at all.
Pawlenty hits hard in states where “stuff” matters.
In Iowa? “It’s time to do away with ethanol subsidies.”
In Florida? “Seniors will have to sacrifice for the good of the country and future generations.”
On Wall Street? “No more subsidies, no more special treatment. No more Fannie and Freddie, no more TARP, and no more ‘too big to fail.’”
Of course, it all remains to be seen.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55502.html#ixzz1NCL912Xp
There’s plenty of time between now and the election.
stands for decibels
May 23rd, 2011
1:44 pm
I think that is grounds for impeachment, don’t you?
Get that investigation under way pronto. What did the Preznit know about Austrian Standard German and when did he know it?
I offer as Exhibit A: “He Dint Knowed We had Fitty States.”
Thulsa Doom
May 23rd, 2011
1:45 pm
Gotta love the Beatles, even they understand exageration.- Granny Godzilla
The 57 states wasn’t exageration. More like stupidity? Are they still speaking Austrian in Austria granny?
MPercy
May 23rd, 2011
1:45 pm
Debbie: Mr. Bush went to the UN several times seeking additional sanctions and authority to enforce the existing sanctions with force.
Quick summary…en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_disarmament_timeline_1990%E2%80%932003
Maybe they teach these things too at KSU.