Cornel West yanks Obama’s credentials as a black man
I just finished reading Princeton academic Cornel West’s diatribe against Barack Obama, in which West complains that “my dear brother Barack Obama has a certain fear of free black men” and calls Obama “a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs and a black puppet of corporate plutocrats.”
West frames his disenchantment in terms of class struggle, and argues that Obama has chosen the wrong side, selling out less fortunate Americans in return for the favor of the powerful.
“The escalation of the class war against the poor and the working class is intense,” West writes. “More and more working people are beaten down. They are world-weary. They are into self-medication. They are turning on each other. They are scapegoating the most vulnerable rather than confronting the most powerful.”
“When you look at a society you look at it through the lens of the least of these, the weak and the vulnerable; you are committed to loving them first, not exclusively, but first, and therefore giving them priority,” West writes.
Many on the left do criticize Obama for being too mainstream and insufficiently aggressive on behalf of those less fortunate. While that debate is legitimate, I think those who make such claims are for the most part politically naive about Obama himself and about the political environment in which he operates. But again, it is a legitimate topic of discussion. The issue of whether Obama has been too gentle with Wall Street and its supporters is particularly pertinent, given their role in creating our current predicament.
But West does not discuss it legitimately.
In West’s account, Obama has sided with the rich and powerful in part because he “feels most comfortable with upper middle-class white and Jewish men who consider themselves very smart, very savvy and very effective in getting what they want.” But as in most rants, this one includes a tell, an unwitting revelation of its deeper motivation.
“I used to call my dear brother [Obama] every two weeks. I said a prayer on the phone for him, especially before a debate. And I never got a call back. And when I ran into him in the state Capitol in South Carolina when I was down there campaigning for him he was very kind. The first thing he told me was, ‘Brother West, I feel so bad. I haven’t called you back. You been calling me so much. You been giving me so much love, so much support and what have you.’ And I said, ‘I know you’re busy.’ But then a month and half later I would run into other people on the campaign and he’s calling them all the time. I said, wow, this is kind of strange. He doesn’t have time, even two seconds, to say thank you or I’m glad you’re pulling for me and praying for me, but he’s calling these other people. I said, this is very interesting. And then as it turns out with the inauguration I couldn’t get a ticket with my mother and my brother. I said this is very strange. We drive into the hotel and the guy who picks up my bags from the hotel has a ticket to the inauguration. My mom says, ‘That’s something that this dear brother can get a ticket and you can’t get one, honey, all the work you did for him from Iowa.’ Beginning in Iowa to Ohio. We had to watch the thing in the hotel.”
When you committed to “look at a society … through the lens of the least of these, the weak and the vulnerable,” when “you are committed to loving them first … and therefore giving them priority,” you do not whine that the lowly person picking up your bags for you in your very expensive DC hotel somehow wrangled a ticket to the inauguration, while you, the very well-paid Ivy League academic and cultural star who walks among the elite, did not. You cannot attack another for seeking the trappings of power while complaining that you yourself were not supplied the trappings to which you feel yourself entitled.
Or if you do, you give the game away.
As Adam Serwer points out in The American Prospect, West also claims the self-anointed power to confirm or withdraw Obama’s standing as an authentic black man. West withdraws it on the basis of Obama’s ability to feel “at home” “with upper middle-class white and Jewish men” while allegedly harboring “fear of free black men.”
Serwer concludes:
“This remark made me wonder: Which of these men do you think is actually free, and which afraid of who he truly is?”
– Jay Bookman
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Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
10:32 am
Word
Peadawg
May 19th, 2011
10:37 am
Second!
godless heathen
May 19th, 2011
10:38 am
A Princeton academic – that explains a lot.
Mary Elizabeth
May 19th, 2011
10:39 am
Both Obama and West battle for underdogs in society. They come at it from different vantage points. They have bigger battles to fight, in that regard, than each other. I am sure Obama knows this. Check out the following link about the coordination of corporate interests making inroads in all 50 state legislatures in our nation. This is what power does, stealthily.
See this link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43070587#43070587
ty webb
May 19th, 2011
10:40 am
I had the misfortune of sitting through one of Dr. West’s diatribes in college…if anyone belongs in the world of “academia”, it’s him, for he couldn’t survive in a marketplace of free ideas.
Granny Godzilla
May 19th, 2011
10:41 am
I read this West pieces the other day and have been following the
various responses….
My favorite – Dr. Melissa Harris-Perry’s:
Excerpted here
This caught my eye…
“I think my dear brother Barack Obama has a certain fear of free black men… It’s understandable. As a young brother who grows up in a white context, brilliant African father, he’s always had to fear being a white man with black skin. All he has known culturally is white. He is just as human as I am, but that is his cultural formation.”
This comment is utter hilarity coming from Cornel West who has spent the bulk of his adulthood living in those deeply rooted, culturally rich, historically important black communities of Cambridge, MA and Princeton, NJ. And it is hard to see his claim that Obama is “most comfortable with upper middle-class white and Jewish men who consider themselves very smart, very savvy and very effective in getting what they” as anything other than a classic projection of his own comfortably ensconced life at Harvard and Princeton Universities. Harvard and Princeton are not places that are particularly noted for their liberating history for black men.
As tenured professors Cornel West and I are not meaningfully accountable, no matter what our love, commitment, or self-delusions tell us. President Obama, as an elected official, can, in fact, be voted out of his job. We can’t. That is a difference that matters. As West derides the President’s economic policies he remains silent on his friend Tavis Smiley’s relationship with Wal-Mart, Wells Fargo, and McDonald’s—all corporations whose invasive and predatory actions in poor and black communities have been the target of progressive organizing for decades. I have never heard him take Tavis Smiley to task for helping convince black Americans to enter into predatory mortgages. I’ve never heard him ask whether Tavis’ decision to publish R. Kelley’s memoirs might be a less than progressive decision. He doesn’t hold Tavis accountable because Tavis is his friend and he is loyal. I respect that, but I also know that if he were in elected office the could not get off so easily.”
Peadawg
May 19th, 2011
10:41 am
Dr. West sounds as crazy as Jesse Jackson.
jconservative
May 19th, 2011
10:44 am
“We had to watch the thing in the hotel.”
Sounds like Newt’s “I had to get off the plane from the rear door”.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
10:47 am
Ouch. I think you’re spot on, Jay. One of the most brutal columns you’ve written.
Whether it’s Newt Gingrich or Cornell West, blindness and an inability to see the position in which one is standing creates a tragicomic distortion in a person’s discourse. Something of that is going on here and explains why West’s pleas ring so hollow.
There’s also something frankly slightly ominous in how he drops the word “Jewish” in his language. I wonder what he means to do by this.
Jay
May 19th, 2011
10:47 am
My thought exactly, jcon.
ty webb
May 19th, 2011
10:49 am
Granny,
Nice! I enjoyed the piece you posted from Dr. Harris-Perry. I disagree with her on most things, but she nailed this one. Kudos!
Chris
May 19th, 2011
10:50 am
he must be a racist since he disagrees with Obama’s policies. oh wait, that’s just white people who disagree with Obama’s policies. how foolish of me.
BADA BING
May 19th, 2011
10:50 am
obama took a page from the Clinton manual. Throw away after use.
Adam
May 19th, 2011
10:51 am
Jeez. Must we take a page from the Right Wing and have our own infighting now? This is all very absurd, but I think that’s obvious. What exactly is his point anyway? So Obama didn’t grow up like a stereotypical black person? So what?
It’s like I said before, racists ONLY see his skin color and could care less about his ACTUAL background. Ignorant people choose to ignore his actual background in favor of their preconceived notions that border on racism (affirmative action) or religious bigotry (madrassa/Kenya nonsense)… OR are just plain stupid notions of what his background actually is (the silver spoon argument). The facts are pretty easy to find, and West uses those facts to make a racially based conclusion. This is definitely a WTF.
It seems that West took a story of what he viewed as a personal slight to him and extrapolated it out to a class war within the black community, and created something like a “No True Scotsman” argument. How annoying. How stupid.
John Birch
May 19th, 2011
10:51 am
West, of ccourse, is essentially correct. Obama went from bag boy for Daley to bag man for Goldman Sachs. Even the extremely liberal Michael Moore will tell you that’s the truth.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
10:52 am
Decline of the West
By the way, here’s a savage, and hilarious, dismantling of the “decline” of Cornell West as a serious thinker and academic in recent years and adds further evidence to the same personal piques mentioned in Jay’s piece.
Cornel West’s work was once bold, challenging, exciting. The past tense here is unavoidable. His critical edge and creative powers might yet be reborn (he is 56). But in the wake of his latest book, Brother West: Living and Loving Out Loud, this hope requires a considerable leap of faith. Published by Hay House, the book also bears a second subtitle: “A Memoir.” It is the most disappointing thing I have read in at least a year.
This is not the intellectual autobiography West promised a decade ago. In essence it is a fawning celebrity profile — one in which reporter and superstar have somehow fused into a single first-person voice. And in fact that turns out to be quite literally true. In the final pages, West pays tribute to David Ritz, his collaborator, who has undertaken similar projects with Marvin Gaye and Grandmaster Flash, among others
http://www.insidehighered.com/views/mclemee/mclemee267
Marco Small III
May 19th, 2011
10:54 am
Bookman, you are afraid of free black men too. Just as I said two days ago, you’re questioning Cain’s legitimacy as a presidential candidate is rooted in your fear of a black man that doesn’t have white blood. Even if he is completly wrong in his political beliefs, which Cain is.
You are as bigoted as they come. I know you’re type, liberal white man, but deep down don’t want your children socializing with black people. Your rant again West’s legitimacy just further proves my point. I see that your word ‘legitimacy’ is coming from a racist place in your heart.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
10:55 am
Hi Mary Elizabeth, I wanted to thank you for your thoughtful reply the other day to my earlier comments. I didn’t notice your posts until much later.
jewcowboy
May 19th, 2011
10:56 am
What’s with all the “brother” talk? Is this 1973?
BADA BING
May 19th, 2011
10:56 am
He finally woke up from his spellbound rapture of obama. A lot of people are doing that lately. Hollywood is deserting him in droves.
liberalefty
May 19th, 2011
10:57 am
why dont WEST say what he really means; Hes saying that OBAMA isnt black enough. West is just another intellectual talking head who really thinks he makes a difference from his IVORY TOWER. why dont[Wwest] take his supposedly superior talents to a black school? Its because HE considers black schools inferior thats why. Hes just an arm chair revolutionary who thinks hes “down for the cause” but in reality a useless talkative figurehead for the psuedo revolutionaries.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
10:58 am
jewcowboy: “What’s with all the “brother” talk? Is this 1973?”
LOL. Good point.
shawny
May 19th, 2011
10:58 am
Who is this West joker and why do we feel compelled to express his viewpoint? He sounds disconnected from reality.
It is always humorous to hear those that pit the poor unfortunate people against the big bad corporations. They play the us against them card too frequently. They fail to understand what drives the economy and creates jobs. It is not the govt. It is not the unions.
Anyone ever get a job from a poor person? Bueller? Bueller?
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
11:00 am
VERY interesting topic.
As some of you know, I have very strong opinions along these lines, but alas, can only pop in for a moment.
It is humorous though, that the capricious cons don’t know which way to twist on this one. (Do I agree? Do I disagree? How can I figure out a way that both men are “wrong”?)
I’ll try to post some fleshed-out thoughts later.
Enjoy the day, folks…
liberalefty
May 19th, 2011
11:00 am
PO PO WEST…he missed his BLACK PANTHER calling…lol
Mary Elizabeth
May 19th, 2011
11:01 am
From the article above:
“The issue of whether Obama has been too gentle with Wall Street and its supporters is particularly pertinent, given their role in creating our current predicament.”
___________________________________________
A valid question to be asked.
However, I still maintain that the following words from Paul Krugman’s column in the NY Times 2/22/10 called, “The Bankruptcy Boys,” target the main source of “our current predicament.” And given the stealthiness of corporate interests (through ALEC) that was pointed out in my above link Krugman’s words do not seem too far fetched. Here are the words of Krugman from his column:
“Voters may say that they oppose big government, but the programs that actually dominate federal spending — Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security — are very popular. So how can the public be persuaded to accept large spending cuts?
The conservative answer, which evolved in the late 1970s, would be dubbed “starving the beast” during the Reagan years. The idea — propounded by many members of the conservative intelligentsia, from Alan Greenspan to Irving Kristol — was basically that sympathetic politicians should engage in a game of bait and switch. Rather than proposing unpopular spending cuts, Republicans would push through popular tax cuts, with the DELIBERATE INTENTION OF WORSENING the government’s fiscal position. Spending cuts could then be sold as a necessity rather than a choice, the only way to eliminate an unsustainable budget deficit.
And the deficit came. True, more than half of this year’s budget deficit is the result of the Great Recession, which has both depressed revenues and required a temporary surge in spending to contain the damage. But even when the crisis is over, the budget will remain deeply in the red, largely as a result of Bush-era tax cuts (and Bush-era unfunded wars).” (Caps are mine.)
“
Jay
May 19th, 2011
11:02 am
By now, the Obama critic=racist meme is being repeated 1,000 times from conservatives for every one time it is uttered from the left.
And I may be underestimating.
jewcowboy
May 19th, 2011
11:03 am
Do you think Mr. West drives a $5000 car and wears $100 suits?
http://youtu.be/96Y24a0cyCE
Mary Elizabeth
May 19th, 2011
11:03 am
Thank you, LWM. Appreciated.
Midori
May 19th, 2011
11:04 am
Chris,
that was just plain stupid.
Chris
May 19th, 2011
11:04 am
@Jay 11:02 – trying to close Pandora’s box is hard isn’t it?
jconservative
May 19th, 2011
11:04 am
There is Obama’s upbringing. I make nothing of it, but do take note of it.
Multi-racial kid raised by white mom and white grandparents.
Nine of his first 12 years of education in private Christian schools, with Punahou School being on the exclusive side.
Then pretty successful in his post graduate education and career. I make nothing of it but do take note of it.
Harvard Law School, President of the Law Review.
Teaching at University of Chicago Law School and member of major law firm in Chicago.
United States Senator
President of the United States
As they say, he ain’t done bad for a poor black kid “from Kenya”.
liberalefty
May 19th, 2011
11:04 am
OBAMA is either toooooooooooo black or not black enough
Midori
May 19th, 2011
11:05 am
Jewcowboy – two words: Huggie Bear
Don't Tread
May 19th, 2011
11:07 am
Wonder why he never got a call back from Obama?
Could it be that Obama got what he wanted from him during the campaign, and didn’t really need him that much after it was over? Naaaah, Democrats don’t do these things, right?
Only the rich and powerful dump on people after they are done using them, right?
Oh wait
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
11:07 am
#1) Obama isn’t worthy of shining Col. Blacks shoes ……… a man who had the courage to fight for his country as opposed to being a “community organizer”.
#2) Poor Lakeysha………….just wait until it starts on planes.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110518/us_yblog_thelookout/loud-cell-phone-talker-removed-from-quiet-car-by-police
jewcowboy
May 19th, 2011
11:07 am
Midori,
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
11:07 am
Excuse me …….. Col. West (I was thinking bootblack).
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
11:08 am
Just goes to show that neither side is immune from bat-s#it crazies.
At least Mr. West gave a us a break from yet another Bookman column about a GOP contender who won’t make it.
Of Men and MiceTraps
May 19th, 2011
11:09 am
You missed me, you missed me!
Oooh! Cheese!
Oh Snap!
ty webb
May 19th, 2011
11:09 am
Jay,
(Regarding your 11:02) that’s hardly the case…it’s still being employed in full force by you guys(”racial innuendo”,”code words”,etc.)…I don’t blame you for using it, afterall, that’s all ya’ll got.
Mary Elizabeth
May 19th, 2011
11:10 am
ALEC was created in 1973. “Starving the beast” began in the late 1970s. Look where we are now.
Again, corporate interests exposed. That should be West’s target, not Obama.
Jay
May 19th, 2011
11:12 am
“At least Mr. West gave a us a break from yet another Bookman column about a GOP contender who won’t make it.”
Is there any other kind?
Hillbilly Deluxe
May 19th, 2011
11:12 am
I think those who make such claims are for the most part politically naive about Obama himself and about the political environment in which he operates.
He’s a politician, same as any other.
As for Cornel West, it sounds like somebody got his feelings hurt. It’s not uncommon for people to make it big in this world and forget those who helped them along the way. It happens everyday, all over America.
jm
May 19th, 2011
11:13 am
I thought he was a socialist muslim. Cornell must be so far left he’s right.
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
11:15 am
“Is there any other kind?”
Jack Nicholson in “A Few Good Men”.
The ONLY Tom Cruise movie truly worth watching, IMHO.
carlosgvv
May 19th, 2011
11:16 am
West thinks Obama has sold out less fortunate Americans in return for the favor of the powerful. This is what all American politicans do. This is an old story and has been going on for many years now. Are there actually people in American who don’t know we have the best politicans money can buy?
jm
May 19th, 2011
11:16 am
anti-semitism!!! (seirously)
John Birch
May 19th, 2011
11:16 am
Jay – This is just a classic strawman logical fallacy. West is whack so his opinion that Obama has cuddled up to the white, rich, and powerful must be whack. I guess they didn’t teach logic at the Penal State Nittany Lion school of journalism.
liberalefty
May 19th, 2011
11:18 am
@1811
whats wrong with being a community organizer? whats wrong with helping ones community…i guess when u hate a person you take something good he did/she did and try to make it dirty…it really shows where your mind is at…sad
Jay
May 19th, 2011
11:18 am
You might have a point if I had made such an argument, Mr. Birch.
Instead, I said that’s a matter of legitimate debate, which Mr. West has not chosen to pursue in a legitimate manner.
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
11:18 am
Of course, Mr. west is essentially correct.
BHO is a corporate-owned politician who has NO plan for the bottom 100 millions Americans.
Does he promote a living wage? Does he advocate employee, share-holder, taxpayer and citizen empowerment? Does he even promote healthcare for all? No.
I excoriated him from before his oath of office for all of the above and more. And I still think the rubes who thought he would be their great ally were as gullible as were the Bushbots.
Yet…every time JB writes about political naivety, it strikes at my ideas.
Even so I had hoped he would be a “dangerous” black man and not just what I see as more milquetoast.
So, in my impatience, I have to settle for baby steps and merely hope that he is setting the table for a true champion of those historically under-represented and without a loud voice.
And it undeniable, that even given all of the above, he is an enormous improvement over what we just endured for eight endless years…
ty webb
May 19th, 2011
11:19 am
“The ONLY Tom Cruise movie truly worth watching, IMHO.”
um…hello? Top Gun or Top Car(”Days of Thunder”, pretty much same story set in NASCAR).
Mary Elizabeth
May 19th, 2011
11:19 am
“West thinks Obama has sold out less fortunate Americans in return for the favor of the powerful.”
—————————
One-dimensional thinking about Obama’s vision.
Marco Small III
May 19th, 2011
11:21 am
Jay- You are an example of the white elite liberal establishment that holds us back in the Democratic Party. That’s right, you want us to stay in our place, not cause too much trouble. Right now, I feel that your group is more of an adversary than the GOP. I and many other firmly stand behind West, Watkins and their supporters. Real change is coming.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
May 19th, 2011
11:21 am
I’d have to agree that I don’t see Mr.West’s contention as legitimate on the grounds he stated. An dI readily agree with Jay that the President has to deal with politics and political realities that means at time accepting compromise or in adjusting priorities in which fights to take on. Its the nature of the beast. Attack him on those grounds.
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
11:22 am
“whats wrong with being a community organizer? whats wrong with helping ones community”
Nothing.
It’s just that neither are very good training grounds for being an effective POTUS.
As we are being shown each and every day with Hope & Punt ™
jm
May 19th, 2011
11:22 am
anti semitism. seriously
“he “feels most comfortable with upper middle-class white and Jewish men who consider themselves very smart, very savvy and very effective in getting what they want”
no other way to interpret this. what the hell is wrong with associating with Jewish men who consider themselves smart? (not that I’m certain he’s actually doing this, but so what?) don’t we want our President associating themselves with smart people?
Paulo977
May 19th, 2011
11:22 am
jcon
@11:04am
The fabric of life ! It is what it is …live it!
jm
May 19th, 2011
11:23 am
West is apparently an anti-Semite….. goodness gracious. The Ivies know no bounds.
Mick
May 19th, 2011
11:24 am
In the end aren’t all the celebs and famous politicians part of the same hypocrisy? The rest of us would be lucky to even get our 15 minutes of fame…
liberalefty
May 19th, 2011
11:25 am
@dave r
iguess you forgot about OBAMA being a senator..lol…by the way , hows that OSAMA BIN LADEN thing working out fer ya?…oh thats right, the community organizer got him…while BUSHY BOY punted like the faux tough guy he is
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
11:26 am
Sorry, ty. Even Top Gun wasn’t worth watching as far as Cruise’s acting was concerned.
stands for decibels
May 19th, 2011
11:27 am
Sounds like Newt’s “I had to get off the plane from the rear door”.
Echoing Jay, but yeah–I instantly thought of Newt and the plane, too, as soon as I read this.
Mick
May 19th, 2011
11:27 am
dave r
Rain man was pretty good…
Paulo977
May 19th, 2011
11:27 am
Mary
Elizabeth
“One-dimensional thinking about Obama’s vision” Oh well, unfortunately some of us are quite comfortable with a one dimension …. covers us well for all our biases!
O Brother Where Art Thou?
May 19th, 2011
11:27 am
Where’s the love?
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
11:28 am
AmVet, Jay, here’s a critique of Obama from a much more solid standpoint, by Kuttner:
In the formulation of the political historian James MacGregor Burns, Obama ran and inspired voters as a “transformational” figure but governed as a “transactional” one. Notwithstanding a vow to profoundly change Washington, Obama took the Washington power constellation as a given. Despite an economic emergency, he moved neither Congress nor public opinion very much and only seldom used his oratorical gifts. “He is so damned smart and confident that he thinks he just has to explain things to the American people once,” says former House Appropriations Chair David Obey. “He doesn’t appreciate that you have to reinforce a message 50 times.”
Obama’s reticence, his reluctance to lay blame, make sharp partisan distinctions, or practice a politics of class, reflects the interplay of his personality and his tacit theory of power — one that emphasizes building bridges to opponents, defying ideological categories, shying away from the kind of mass mobilization that swept him into office, and practicing a kind of Zen detachment. At moments in American history, that conception of the presidency has suited the times. This doesn’t seem to be one of those moments.
http://prospect.org/cs/articles?article=barack_obamas_theory_of_power
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
11:28 am
“Jay- You are an example of the white elite liberal establishment that holds us back in the Democratic Party. That’s right, you want us to stay in our place, not cause too much trouble. Right now, I feel that your group is more of an adversary than the GOP. I and many other firmly stand behind West, Watkins and their supporters. Real change is coming.”
Wow. All of a sudden, Bookman isn’t being black enough.
Never thought I’d live to see the day . . .
Paul
May 19th, 2011
11:28 am
Lots of ego, there.
That light shining in the dark recesses illuminated all I care to see of his psyche.
joe
May 19th, 2011
11:28 am
Too funny…the only thing keeping the poor in their current state is the Democratic party. If the poor would get off their duff, get an education, work hard, put in long hours, hold off having kids until you can afford to provide for them, they can be just as successful as the next guy or gal.
Remember, the Declaration of Independence says life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, not the guarantee of happiness. Anyone in this country has the chance to do anything they want…become a parent, teacher, soldier, business owner, ditch digger, professor, drug dealer…whatever you set your mind to you will be. The Dems give the poor just enough entitlements to keep them exactly where they are for fear of success or failure in exchange for their vote. Nothing ventured, nothing gained people.
Joe Mama
May 19th, 2011
11:29 am
jconservative — “Nine of his first 12 years of education in private Christian schools, with Punahou School being on the exclusive side.”
Punahou is a very exclusive school, but IIRC, it’s not specifically a church-run private school. It was founded by missionaries, but I don’t believe it’s run as or represents itself to be any kind of church-based or religious school.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
11:29 am
liberalefty:
If it is done right it’s the o.k. thing to do but that kind of community organizing involved extortion and other disgusting practices just like Sharpton and Jackson do. You need to read up.
The bottom line is he is still unworthy to shine Col. West’s shoes.
In any case, Obama is not black or white ……….. but according to Wickipedia he is mulatto:
If you disagree ……… take it up with them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulatto
Mick
May 19th, 2011
11:30 am
dave r
Risky business was entertaining, taps was pretty good too…
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
11:30 am
“Rain man was pretty good…”
Yeah, it was. But Dustin Hoffman showed more range than Cruise did in that movie.
Just sayin’.
ty webb
May 19th, 2011
11:31 am
Dave R.
Your’re right he doesn’t exactly have strong acting chops, but he’s been in some pretty good movies. His best acting was probably in one of the worst movies…”Tropic Thunder”.
liberalefty
May 19th, 2011
11:31 am
@joe
your argument is wrong…nobody keeps another person poor…stop blaming the DEMS for someone elses laziness
Brosephus
May 19th, 2011
11:31 am
I guess this pokes holes in the bs about all Black people liking Obama because he’s Black. Everyone, including West, is entitled to their opinion, and opinions do not have to be grounded in fact. It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
11:31 am
“iguess you forgot about OBAMA being a senator.”
Actually, liberal lefty, I NEVER forget about Hope & Punt’s ™ 2 years as a U.S. Senator. You remember those, don’t you? Those were the two years he didn’t submit any legislation under his own name worth mentioning, and voted to not raise the debt ceiling.
Those 2 years as Senator, liberal lefty?
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
11:31 am
Ooooooooo …………………..
Headline: “Peter Fonda calls Obama ‘traitor’ at Cannes”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110518/ennew_afp/entertainmentfilmfestivalcannesusobamafonda_20110518154556
Confused and Disappointed
May 19th, 2011
11:31 am
This is a very thought provoking article. West seems to have a little envy going on. The President can not be everything to everybody. A large percentage of Black men that are successful often turn their heads away from the Black community once they have made it to the top. They look down on the same neighborhoods that their families originated from and won’t do much to uplift or instill hope into the younger generations that are looking up to them. Most have the attitudes of I got mine now you find a way to get yours. This is pathetic of West. Do the “Hood” a favor and come back and mentor some of the young men that are going astray. If the President would have sent tickets to him, it should have persuaded him to pass them along to someone that does not get a chance to rub elbows with others in higher places!! Peace!!!
ty webb
May 19th, 2011
11:32 am
“I guess this pokes holes in the bs about all Black people liking Obama because he’s Black.”
Speaking of Strawmen, but just to indulge you, wanna bet that obama still gets West’s vote?
Mick
May 19th, 2011
11:33 am
**The Dems give the poor just enough entitlements to keep them exactly where they are for fear of success or failure in exchange for their vote**
That is the most ridiculous mythical belief that just keeps on going. Sure, there are some welfare cheats but by and large many people are genuinely hurting due to this economic mess. Stop simplifying the problem – it doesn’t work…
Hillbilly Deluxe
May 19th, 2011
11:33 am
The rest of us would be lucky to even get our 15 minutes of fame…
Somdbody else can have 30 minutes, ’cause I don’t want my 15.
Tommy Maddox
May 19th, 2011
11:34 am
Uh oh – another black fellow calling out the President. What was that jousting business you posted yesterday?
Jay
May 19th, 2011
11:34 am
I love how the right disparages the impact of celebrity endorsements right up until the moment that a celebrity says something they like.
Then it’s all “oooh ooooh, didja hear that, didja hear that!!”
Guy Incognito
May 19th, 2011
11:34 am
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
11:30 am
Color of Money was his best because he didn’t have to act. That role was his personality coming through
getalife
May 19th, 2011
11:34 am
“a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs and a black puppet of corporate plutocrats.”
A mascot of Wall Street oligarchs and a black puppet of corporate plutocrats.
Perfect description of the gop.
Of Men and MiceTraps
May 19th, 2011
11:35 am
Poor, poor 1811/1801 – 0311/0317. He has to live out his days harboring such hate. Good for him.
liberalefty
May 19th, 2011
11:35 am
@1811
come off your bull…you and the conservative right have lambasted his community organizing because you try to delegitimize his sucessful career..you conservatives have always been against organizing blacks..just ask anyone from the civil rights moverment…conservatives like you thought MLK [the ultimate coimmunity organizer] was wrong..
getalife
May 19th, 2011
11:36 am
A mascot of Wall Street oligarchs and a puppet of corporate plutocrats.
Oops.
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
11:37 am
LWM, thanks for that. I’ll read it in detail later.
“…the only thing keeping the poor in their current state is the Democratic party.”
And mindless, puerile drivel is still very popular out there on the fringe…
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
11:38 am
“Everyone, including West, is entitled to their opinion, and opinions do not have to be grounded in fact.”
As is proven here every day, Brosephus!
(And sometimes by our host)
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
11:38 am
joe: “Too funny…the only thing keeping the poor in their current state is the Democratic party. If the poor would get off their duff, get an education, work hard, put in long hours, hold off having kids until you can afford to provide for them, they can be just as successful as the next guy or gal”
Doesn’t really work out that way in practice, joe. For people to be able to get an education, that education has to be affordable. Has it ever occurred to you by the way, Joe, that in this country the right to a free education – a free college education – the way you have in continental Europe, and used to have in the UK before the neolibs started trashing things, is NEVER even on the table here? You ever wonder about that, joe?
That’s something to wonder about, joe, if you ask me.
Granny Godzilla
May 19th, 2011
11:39 am
Dave R says regarding being a community organizer
“It’s just that neither are very good training grounds for being an effective POTUS.”
I can’t disagree more…it’s a terrific training ground.
You organize a community, then a city, then a county, then a state, then a nation…..And President Obama did just that incredibly effectively.
I think that is the real gripe about community organizer -
that it was effective and all the while the GOP continues to be corporate organizers.
That said Tom Jefferson and John Adams are among two of my other favorite community organizers.
JohnnyReb
May 19th, 2011
11:39 am
Here’s your clue:
From Wiki – Cornel Ronald West is a prominent member of the Democratic Socialists of America.
Apparently, not only does Ronnie feel personally snubbed, but Barry has not spread enough wealth to suit him.
This is another example of why Obama will not win in 2012.
Brosephus
May 19th, 2011
11:39 am
ty
I quickly grew tired of hearing “95% of Black people voted for Obama” thrown around like Mardi Gras beads. Black people do not live or think as one monolithic group. Maybe this will open the eyes of non-believers. If West’s feelings are real, I don’t see him as an automatic vote for Obama.
John Birch
May 19th, 2011
11:40 am
Obama’s vision? Screen cleaner please!
liberalefty
May 19th, 2011
11:40 am
@dave r
well you and OSAMA think OBAMA dont have what it takes to be president…lol
BADA BING
May 19th, 2011
11:40 am
Is this anything like Monica yanking Bill’s “credentials”?
Mick
May 19th, 2011
11:40 am
hd
So, there in no part of you that would like to be in the bright lights even if only for that paltry fifteen minutes?
O Brother Where Art Thou?
May 19th, 2011
11:41 am
Even scientists are racists. Gamma rays have no color, and yet, those event horizon creating, gamma ray emitting machines are called what? Black holes. Ridonculous.
Mary Elizabeth
May 19th, 2011
11:41 am
AmVet @ 11:18
“BHO is a corporate-owned politician who has NO plan for the bottom 100 millions Americans.”
—————————–
AmVet, on that I disagree. Obama wanted a public option within the healthcare plan. He should not have had to waste so much time just fighting for its passage against an intransigent Republican body in Congress, and waste as much political capital as he did. Between that healthcare bill’s passage (all that he could get) and his keeping us from a Depression helped the middle and working class in this nation. “Oh, ye of little faith.”
BTW, AmVet, see my link in my original post today on ALEC. (fourth post in) You will be very much interested in how corporations are buying this nation’s soul.
Yesterday, Obama spoke against giving oil corporations subsidies in tax credits and he mentioned the fact that 4 billion dollars had been given to oil corporations in tax credits last year alone. Of those (all Republicans and 4 Democrats) who would not vote yesterday to end subsidies to oil companies, 42 senators had received 21 million dollars for their campaigns. Of those senators who voted to end those subsidies, 52 had only received 5.4 million dollars for their campaigns. Who is bought by oil corporations? It appears Republican senators have been.
Again, Obama wanted those subsidies to end and said so. We give subsidies to these corporations who already are making huge profits and yet we want to end Medicare as we know it. Wrong values.
My source for info above is “The Last Word” or “Ed Show, ” May 18, MSNBC.
ty webb
May 19th, 2011
11:41 am
“Has it ever occurred to you by the way, Joe, that in this country the right to a free education – a free college education – the way you have in continental Europe, and used to have in the UK before the neolibs started trashing things, is NEVER even on the table here? You ever wonder about that, joe?”
update: it’s not “free” in Europe. Good grief!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
May 19th, 2011
11:41 am
The Dems give the poor just enough entitlements to keep them exactly where they are for fear of success or failure in exchange for their vote
And of course the collorary…The Republicans dont give the poor any safety net because they don’t get their vote. The Republicans say “fend for yourself and if you die, well that is the circle of life.” The Republicans are seeking to take away their vote because of their perceptions and false claims.
The plantation card has been played….how unsurprising.
stands for decibels
May 19th, 2011
11:41 am
West is apparently an anti-Semite…
jm, leveling a charge of anti-Semitism shouldn’t be done as casually as you’re doing right now. Unless you can back it up with something more than this teensy snippet you’ve focused on, that is.
(that all said, yeah, I certainly bristled a bit when I read that line, and thought “oh jeez, I’m sure THAT was really helpful…”)
BADA BING
May 19th, 2011
11:43 am
This new uprising of ‘Jilted Lovers’ reminds me of the so called Arab Spring. People have finally awakened out of their cultlike worship of the Kenyan Boy Wonder. Welcome to the real world, former zombies, smell the $5 coffee.
getalife
May 19th, 2011
11:43 am
“A mascot of Wall Street oligarchs and a puppet of corporate plutocrats.”
What is this type of government called?
We are still ranked low in corruption around the world so there are many people that might stand up.
DD
May 19th, 2011
11:43 am
@ joe
Joe, uh…. did you know that the Super Rich hates you as much as you hate the poor? The super rich would not give you a time or day because in their eyes…..YOU ARE PEASANT!
kayaker 71
May 19th, 2011
11:44 am
I am not sure who is worse, Bozo or West. Both have narcissistic complexes and egos that won’t fit into a room. Essentially West is saying that Bozo isn’t paying enough attention to Him and isn’t feeding his narcissism. Who gives a tinker’s damn about either one of them.
buck@gon
May 19th, 2011
11:45 am
Jay,
Your piece here is confusing. Do you really consider West a serious thinker, or are you worried that he might do your favored Presidential candidate some damage by alienating and ostracizing his base? Hasn’t West been a liberal crank his entire career–a very legitimate topic for discussion, don’t you think? I know people I work with who got tickets to the inauguration, and these Georgians are about as far from Barack Obama as I. My guess is that West wanted special treatment.
What is amusing is that you consider whether Obama being a black man, “a legitimate topic of discussion” by the act of discussing it in your column. What is also amusing is that you bring up West, a liberal, as you would a conservative very nearly, mentioning him only to criticize him. Otherwise, the goal is “nothing to see here.”
The big 800lb argument in the room, whether poor people ought to be “loved” first (my guess that you, Obama, West and most liberals agree with prima facie–West says it, I agree with it, that settles it) is not really debatable with you. Revealed your opinion is! There is then no limit to the number of apple carts that must be overturned to get what you think it is you want, the redistribution of wealth.
Tell me, if you can (& I don’t believe you can), what restrictions the constitution might put on this idea? Is THAT a legitimate discussion?
I think that in itself indicates at least your “intellectual” liberal roots, similar to West’s. I do not, for example, consider it at all possible that you would think my discussion of West (from a conservative perspective) at all legitimate if I were to elaborate on blackness, instead of you. It’s the same old condition West has. Some people are legitimate and should be admitted to the celebration or discussion while others just don’t matter–and this is just fine as long as you get what you want, isn’t it?
Same elitism different day. You yourself want special treatment and license to carry on your discussions, even as you constantly delegitimize ours, up to and including the very ideals that make America America.
jm
May 19th, 2011
11:45 am
sfd 11:41 – there’s a long history of tension between the black community and the jewish community. this is just one facet, or version, of that ugly theme.
West may, or may not, be a full fledged anti-semite. That’s not for me to decide. But those words came dangerously close to crossing the line into anti-semitic lines. I have no doubt if a right winger had said it, there would be sh-t raining down on him.
stands for decibels
May 19th, 2011
11:46 am
Obama wanted a public option within the healthcare plan. He should not have had to waste so much time just fighting for its passage against an intransigent Republican body in Congress
Mary, for the record, this DFH is among those who think he should’ve led with support for HR 676 (an embryonic single payer plan) and had a public option as the fallback.
That he didn’t do that speaks to me not that he’s a lousy negotiator, but rather that he probably didn’t care all that much about the public option in the first place; that it was a “nice-to-have”, not a “need-to-have.”
Which is what one would expect from, well, I won’t say “corporate owned” like AmVet, but rather a corporate-friendly, centrist Democrat, which is what I’ve *always* considered Obama to be.
BADA BING
May 19th, 2011
11:47 am
Doesn’t West have the right to change his mind? obama changed his mind about Jeramiah Wright.
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
11:47 am
“Of those (all Republicans and 4 Democrats) who would not vote yesterday to end subsidies to oil companies”
Not intended to be a factual statement.
Mary Elizabeth, can you at least agree that the vote yesterday was to end subsidies on the top 5 oil companies ONLY, and not all? And if so, why are you in favor of government picking winners and losers?
If you don’t like subsidies, why not end them ALL? For everyone.
OSAMA
May 19th, 2011
11:48 am
@ bada bing
I HATE THAT KENYAN TOO…see what he did to my crib?
thomas
May 19th, 2011
11:48 am
Jay
May 19th, 2011
11:34 am
Kinda how you bash any and all things Reagan until you discover that Obama is implementing or doing something similar to Reagan, then You use Ronald Reagan as proof of a wonderful job by Obama.
Do you even attempt to see both sides anymore or has your hate for the other side grown so rabid that a mirror cannot even give you an accurate reflection any longer?
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
11:48 am
I’m not saying that Cornel West is an anti-Semite . . .
. . . but I’ll bet he has a pin-up of Helen Thomas on his office wall.
OSAMA
May 19th, 2011
11:49 am
@jm
youre right, DEMS are anti sucess…just look at millionaire DEMS in the congress…lol..
jm
May 19th, 2011
11:49 am
Dave R – libs are anti-success. That’s the only explanation for why they would penalize the largest companies.
thomas
May 19th, 2011
11:50 am
BADA BING
May 19th, 2011
11:47 am
No, No, No
Remember Obama was not there or did not hear any of the negative remarks by Rev. Wright.
Therefore he didn’t change his mind he was fooled by Rev. Wright, once he found out the type of man the good Rev. was he immediately left the church. Or atleast as soon as he found out what kind of political weapon to be used against him the good Rev. was he left the church.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
11:50 am
Mary Elizabeth: “AmVet, on that I disagree. Obama wanted a public option within the healthcare plan. He should not have had to waste so much time just fighting for its passage against an intransigent Republican body in Congress, and waste as much political capital as he did. ”
But the public option idea was shot down by Rahm Emanuel (if I’m not mistaken) as well as the Nelson / Liebermann crew. But what does it say that Obama is unable/unwilling to work behind the scenes to bring people on board?
A passage from the Robert Kuttner article I cited above is enlightening here (sorry for long passage) :
As the political scientist Richard Neustadt observed in his classic work, Presidential Power, a book that had great influence on President John F. Kennedy, the essence of a president’s power is “the power to persuade.” Because our divided constitutional system does not allow the president to lead by commanding, presidents amass power by making strategic choices about when to use the latent authority of the presidency to move public and elite opinion and then use that added prestige as clout to move Congress. In one of Neustadt’s classic case studies, Harry Truman, a president widely considered a lame duck, nonetheless persuaded the broad public and a Republican Congress in 1947-1948 that the Marshall Plan was a worthy idea.
As Neustadt and Burns both observed, though an American chief executive is weak by constitutional design, a president possesses several points of leverage. He can play an effective outside game, motivating and shaping public sentiment, making clear the differences between his values and those of his opposition, and using popular support to box in his opponents and move them in his direction. He can complement the outside bully pulpit with a nimble inside game, uniting his legislative party, bestowing or withholding benefits on opposition legislators, forcing them to take awkward votes, and using the veto. He can also enlist the support of interest groups to pressure Congress, and use media to validate his framing of choices. Done well, all of this signals leadership that often moves the public agenda.
The most effective presidents have worked all these levers. Think of Franklin Roosevelt, or Ronald Reagan, or Lyndon B. Johnson during the era of the War on Poverty and the civil-rights crusade. But except in the endgame of the battle for health care and his recent turnabout in defending Medicare, Obama has been relatively disengaged on all of these fronts. He left the details of his signature legislation and attendant bargaining to his staff. Says a senior Democrat who speaks frequently to Obama, “He is just not someone who enjoys what most of presidential politics entails.”
http://prospect.org/cs/articles?article=barack_obamas_theory_of_power
Between that healthcare bill’s passage (all that he could get) and his keeping us from a Depression helped the middle and working class in this nation. “Oh, ye of little faith.” “
Brosephus
May 19th, 2011
11:50 am
jm
Long history of what? There were Jewish people who gave their lives while helping the Black community work towards equality. Every coin has two sides.
Mary Elizabeth
May 19th, 2011
11:52 am
Paulo977 @ 11:27
“Mary Elizabeth: “One-dimensional thinking about Obama’s vision.”
Oh well, unfortunately some of us are quite comfortable with a one dimension …. covers us well for all our biases!”
————————————–
Friend Paulo, you see the light!
Interesting we are both teachers, huh? Keep your perceptions keen and your voice present, Paulo.
So needed!
buck@gon
May 19th, 2011
11:53 am
jm,
“full-fledged” or not, West’s comments are inexcusable, very nearly as bad as Billy McKinney’s when his dippy daughter was ousted for the brilliant mind of Hank Johnson, now in her seat. –”It was the J-E-W-S”
Now try and imagine if you can, me as a conservative, making similarly bigotted comments about ——- (pick your own grievance lobby). I think then you get a better understanding how out of place a kook like West is in America, and how he deserves nothing of the ridiculous accolades he gets from the pathetic and intellectually soft but wealthy and powerful academic monster in this country.
Listen to West, often as you like on Tavis Smiley’s show on Saturdays, when he spouts the same old crap about the guilt of all white people since the devil created them, and of the gentle oppressed nobility of black people since God formed them from gold and sunshine.
stands for decibels
May 19th, 2011
11:53 am
there’s a long history of tension between the black community and the jewish community.
Well, I’m neither black nor jewish, but FWIW (not much) I’d say “a history” of tension, and by some yardsticks it’s a longish one… but the two groups have a much longer history of common cause.
(And of course, there’s no one “black community” or “jewish community”; the world is a lot messier than that.)
jm
May 19th, 2011
11:54 am
sidebar – what’s wrong with Reid’s eye? boxing match?
thomas
May 19th, 2011
11:54 am
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
11:50 am
Who was it that hired Rham Emmanuel again?
jm
May 19th, 2011
11:56 am
sfd 11:53 – I agree with 95% of that. They have often worked together to achieve much for the cause of civil rights.
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
11:56 am
“Dave R – libs are anti-success. That’s the only explanation for why they would penalize the largest companies.”
jm, I would not paint with so broad a brush. I think that liberals by and large, and liberal politicians more so, are enamored with power and control over others. Control they never had in the private sector, because they either failed in the private sector, or never worked in it for very long. Boortz (cue the angry dismissals) had on his website today a re-run of a video from back in I believe 2006 showing Maxine Waters D-(SpaceCadet) telling oil executives that “this liberal’s (her) goal was to nationalize the oil companies.
It is about control, and ultimately the votes that get them re-elected to continue that control.
joe
May 19th, 2011
11:57 am
@ Mick, with today’s food stamps rate at 1 in every 7 americans, the system is broke. food stamps were meant to be a band aid, not a way of life. Just as with unemployment insurance, as soon as it expires, people suddenly have the fire under their rears they need to take a job they might not have wanted to take just to be working again. I have had to take lower paying jobs to keep afloat a couple times in my life, but those led to bigger and better things. Entitlements are necessary for some, but for others how give interviews on how bad they have it, with flat screen tv’s, x-box, cell phones ringing, etc should not be receiving aid. We are going bankrupt and these cuts are going to come one way or another. Best to get off of them now while you can instead of having them taken from you.
@ liberallefty–I agree the Dems don’t actually keep poor people poor, but they sure do offer them incentives that take away their motivation to improve their life. You used the word “laziness” and that right there is the overwhelming majority of that problem…they want the easy way out and there is no easy way. We all work hard for our money and we can no longer afford to pay for these entitlements with that many on the “payroll.”
liberalefty
May 19th, 2011
11:57 am
the JEWS get blamed for everything…smh
Lord Help Us
May 19th, 2011
11:57 am
Bear with me as I don my Cornell West ‘arbiter of who is and who is not’ – fill in the blank:
As a white man, may I say that ‘Pistol Pete’ Maravich was not one of us…
As a (as some call me) redneck, may I say that Larry the Cable guy IS one of us…
As a married man, may I say that Ahnold is not one of us…
As a fisherman, may I say that George (I think they were perch) Bush is not one of us…
As a hunter, may I say that Dick (he looked like a Quail) Cheney is not one of us…
Any credibility bestowed on any of these charlatans is hereby revoked.
md
May 19th, 2011
11:57 am
“He should not have had to waste so much time just fighting for its passage against an intransigent Republican body in Congress, and waste as much political capital as he did. Between that healthcare bill’s passage (all that he could get)”
More revisionist history…………….he had the numbers without the other party………if one wants to be honest, it wasn’t just the republicans that stalled his vision……….as a matter of fact, it was folks within his own party that put the kabosh on the public option.
jm
May 19th, 2011
11:57 am
RE Reid’s eye. Apparently he fell down. If only he would “fall down on the job” instead
thomas
May 19th, 2011
11:58 am
Jay,
Is there any criticism of Obama that you would find to be legitimate?
Can’t bring up that more people than ever are on food stamps, cause according to you that was only meant as a racist slant by Newt. then this guy can’t have actual problems with Obama, he must just be mad and had his feeling hurt by Obama.
Thank Gawd we have you to speak the truth with no personal agenda????
O Brother Where Art Thou?
May 19th, 2011
11:59 am
Obama shafted me on the Golden Ticket. I am not amused.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
12:00 pm
Thomas: Dave R – libs are anti-success. That’s the only explanation for why they would penalize the largest companies
Yeah, that was my whole point.
The fact of the matter is that Barack Obama is not a particularly effective president. And it’s not a failure of intelligence. On the contrary, if anything the case of Barack Obama is the most intelligent president since Woodrow Wilson. His is the story of the failure of our culture to bridge raw encyclopedic intelligence and know-how at the level of leadership of a superstate. No one quite knows how to do that.
Jay
May 19th, 2011
12:00 pm
Thomas, it’s perfectly legitimate to bring up food stamps usage. That’s not what Gingrich did, though, is it? He used it as a label, as if it somehow defined Obama.
And I’m not claiming West did this for personal reasons. He acknowledges it himself. All I did was quote him.
jm
May 19th, 2011
12:01 pm
Obama making an mideast speech. You know Egypt is coming apart at the seams….
Obama Doctrine (not that there is one): um, failure to lead.
jm
May 19th, 2011
12:02 pm
Obama is starting to look more and more like Jimmy Carter….
stands for decibels
May 19th, 2011
12:02 pm
jm @ 11.56, and the connection pre-dates what we think of as the post-civil-war civil rights efforts, and goes back to their earliest churches, and their identification with the liberation theology components of the Old Testament, of course.
/capt. Obvious
Lord Help Us
May 19th, 2011
12:03 pm
As a person with a sense of humor, may I say that Peapuppy is not one of us…
ronald
May 19th, 2011
12:03 pm
Using the term “Academic” is pretty strong, when describing Cornel West. Is he still trying to cut it teaching Hip Hop 101 or does he teach real classes now? Keep in mind that he left Harvard, after the University President questioned his teaching style and curriculum. West, of course, screamed racism…Let’s stop pretending that he’s a real professor and move on..
jm
May 19th, 2011
12:04 pm
Jay 12 – if Newt’s statement about “Food Stamps” is racist, then we can put West in the category one step removed from people who have actually killed someone in a racist act.
Peadawg
May 19th, 2011
12:04 pm
West is an ass. President Obama is the greatest. Long live President Obama!!! Long live the Democrat Party!!!
jm
May 19th, 2011
12:05 pm
“President Obama plans to forgive up to $1 billion in debt Egypt owes to the U.S., aides say. |
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55265.html#ixzz1MoaevpzI
Cause they can’t pay it back anyway, and because Egypt is crumbling. Great, 80 million very p-ssed off people is not going to turn out well. I’m sure Israel is getting mighty nervous.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
12:05 pm
Thomas: sorry, my bad, I posted wrong passage for my reply.
The previous reply was in response to “Who was it that hired Rham Emmanuel again?”
Mary Elizabeth
May 19th, 2011
12:06 pm
Themistocles 11:50
But Obama did get the healthcare package through Congress into law – no president in 50 years had been able to do that and I again say that he got the best deal he could have. Remember his talking about his mother’s plight with insurance companies as she was dying was one of his motivating forces and his mother was not a wealthy woman – far from it – but she was a very educated woman.
Sen. Nelson is one of those 4 Democrats who sided with big oil subsidies yesterday in Congress, against what Obama wanted.
As far as Obama not persuading Republicans in the Congress today – in all due respect, LWM, you have got to be kidding.
Check out this link from Krugman: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/16/opinion/16krugman.html?_r=1
One of Krugman’s lines from that article is:
“What has changed? The answer is the radicalization of the Republican Party.”
The Republican Party has sold out to corporate interests in this nation (see my earlier posts today for links for the facts) and there is no way, as a result that they are going to compromise. They are “bought and sold” – doncha know?
I don’t know at what point Rahm Emanuel was just trying to save any part of the bill he could.
Gm
May 19th, 2011
12:06 pm
Jay:
This battles is deeper, West labeled Al Sharpton as a Puppet for Obama, the two are going at it, West expected Obama to do more for the black commmunity, unemployment is at a %18 in some communities.
What bothers me about West, Tavis Smiley they never held Clinton or Bush to these standards, poor Obama he gets it from every where this is why he has and will become the greatest President of our time.
William R. Castle
May 19th, 2011
12:07 pm
It’s only natural to pick up the loose ends of Dr. West’s discourse and run with them. But I think it would be a mistake to stop there, as so many commentators have done. I don’t want to focus on who’s blacker, who’s more ivy league, who’s more arrogant — West or Obama or this-or-that commentator. Let’s focus instead on the gravely abhorrent aspects of the Obama presidency, as West did: cover-up of war crimes (Bush torture), surrendering social justice to Wall Street (no relief on mortgage fraud), unconstitutional expansion of presidential war powers (Libya, surveillance, assassination of US citizens). Small wonder that West, as a prominent black progressive, is sorely disappointed. Is it reasonable to expect that he should be able to get beyond issues of race in criticizing our first black president? I think the rest of us should strive to get beyond issues of racial identity, personality, or vocabulary to share his outrage at the tragic disappointments of the Obama presidency.
Hillbilly Deluxe
May 19th, 2011
12:09 pm
Mick @ 11:40
Actually, no. I’ve spent a good deal of time, in the past, around people who were in the public eye, (to the point of them not be able to eat a meal in a restaurant without people asking for autographs) and I wouldn’t trade places with them, at all.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
May 19th, 2011
12:10 pm
pea…if you are going to provide some silly cheer or otehr childishness at least get the name of the party correct…its Democratic Party
getalife
May 19th, 2011
12:11 pm
Wonder what he thinks of justice thomas?
Don't Forget
May 19th, 2011
12:12 pm
The fact that almost nobody from the left is endorsing West shows an important distinction between the two parties. The dems are not controlled by the far left. The right, on the other hand, seems to embrace every extreme statement that comes from their side. When was the last time that the r’s condemned something as too conservative? I think you’d have to go back to when Pat Buchanon was a candidate.
md
May 19th, 2011
12:12 pm
“The right, on the other hand, seems to embrace every extreme statement that comes from their side.”
Wasn’t it just this week that Newt was blasted for his social engineering comment??
getalife
May 19th, 2011
12:13 pm
Hillary Clinton will be missed.
She is explaining the Obama doctrine for jm.
USMC
May 19th, 2011
12:13 pm
“By now, the Obama critic=racist meme is being repeated 1,000 times from conservatives for every one time it is uttered from the left.”
If the shoe fits… what’s good for the goose… etc.
I Know You Are But What Am I
May 19th, 2011
12:15 pm
The only people who submit that Obama is an arch-liberal are those who simply wish to displace him for political expediency purposes.
The man is a centrist in his governance.
He is the third term of George W.
True liberals such as Dr. West have been fed up with Obama for a couple of years. That’s what makes the cries of socialism from the right sound so forced and transparent.
DebbieDoRight
May 19th, 2011
12:15 pm
Adam: It seems that West took a story of what he viewed as a personal slight to him and extrapolated it out to a class war within the black community, and created something like a “No True Scotsman” argument. How annoying. How stupid.
The “Not Black Enough” argument is something that will always, unfortunately, be a part of Black America’s discussion. Cosby? No Black Enough. King? Not Black Enough. My sister? Not Black Enough, (too light skinned). And when you ask the person “why”, they always come up with something really stupid like, “Well, back in 1901 they didn’t know the NegroNational Anthem” or some such nonsense. I hear crap like that all the time, you learn to tune it out and listen to your own drummer and the morals your family instilled into you. The rest is just nonsense noise.
USMC
May 19th, 2011
12:15 pm
Yes sirree,
THE WICK IS BURNING FROM BOTH ENDS…
Tick Tock, Tick Tock, Tick Tock…
Obama Loses in 2012
Don't Forget
May 19th, 2011
12:15 pm
md, lol, Newt was blasted for condemning the extremism of Ryan’s plan. Proves my point perfectly.
Goldie
May 19th, 2011
12:16 pm
Our President can never please everyone about everything, and for Cornel West to be whining about watching the inauguration in a hotel is so telling… so very sad for brother Cornel!
THE TRUTH
May 19th, 2011
12:17 pm
It is common knowledge that Obama only cares about Obama.
NOBAMA 2012 !
USMC
May 19th, 2011
12:17 pm
Peter Fonda calls Obama ‘traitor’ at Cannes…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110518/ennew_afp/entertainmentfilmfestivalcannesusobamafonda_20110518154556
RB from Gwinnett
May 19th, 2011
12:17 pm
Sounds like the man is cut from the same cloth as Rev. Wright.
USMC
May 19th, 2011
12:17 pm
Jewish Donors Warn Obama on Israel
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703509104576331661918527154.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Tick Tock, Tick Tock, Tick Tock…
Goldie
May 19th, 2011
12:17 pm
So let’s see — who’s being offered up by the Repub Party for 2012? The Mitt, Ole Newt, Rick Sanitarium, Grandpa Paul, et al… President Obama wins in a landslide!
TG
May 19th, 2011
12:18 pm
Jay Bookman, sorry. You are not in a position to speak on what Dr. West spoke on. As a White man, you just aren’t. (Sorry)
West told the truth and a lot of people are afraid of the truth–that like West, you TOO were “misled in a very deep way.”
Truth hurts folks.
Mick
May 19th, 2011
12:18 pm
**libs are anti-success. That’s the only explanation for why they would penalize the largest companies.**
Idiotic post of the day…
Scooter (The Original)
May 19th, 2011
12:18 pm
Credentials as a “black man”? Come on, he may check black on his census records but he has been mostly groomed by white liberals and thirteen of his chromosomes are white.
USMC
May 19th, 2011
12:19 pm
Obama’s campaign song for Election 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtndOhSMpHs
MiltonMan
May 19th, 2011
12:22 pm
Leave it up to AmWay to spin this one around & point fingers back to the “cons”. Man up Amway! This is nothing more than two Liberals taking pot shots at one another. As one of your despised “cons”, I think I will grab some popcorn & sit back & enjoy this “I am better liberal than you are brother”.
Mick
May 19th, 2011
12:23 pm
hd
I agree almost 99.9% about the spotlight. The .1% that hits me is that when you take the measure of human existence, did you take and or rather miss the opportunity to leave a mark on it? I guess the answer my friend is blowin in the wind…
Don't Forget
May 19th, 2011
12:23 pm
A black president should be no more obligated to black people than a white president should be toward white people. Mr West is fundamentally wrong.
stands for decibels
May 19th, 2011
12:23 pm
And when you ask the person “why”, they always come up with something really stupid like, “Well, back in 1901 they didn’t know the NegroNational Anthem” or some such nonsense
Ok, this made me laugh.
Mick
May 19th, 2011
12:25 pm
It just goes to show that, you can please some of the people some of the time but you can never please all the people all the time…
THE TRUTH
May 19th, 2011
12:25 pm
TG
May 19th, 2011
12:18 pm
Jay Bookman, sorry. You are not in a position to speak on what Dr. West spoke on. As a White man, you just aren’t. (Sorry)
West told the truth and a lot of people are afraid of the truth–that like West, you TOO were “misled in a very deep way.”
Truth hurts folks.
HOPE AND CHANGE, words alone with no action, so sad.
NOBAMA 2012 !
jm
May 19th, 2011
12:26 pm
The only person I “love” in the Obama administration: Austan Goolsbee. He’s hilarious and awesome.
http://www.colbertnation.com/full-episodes/wed-may-18-2011-austan-goolsbee
It helps that he’s plain spoken and a southerner (if you count TX)
Sevananda
May 19th, 2011
12:26 pm
What with all the hand wringing and later anger from Cornel West, perhaps Mr. West can now accept the strong possibility that the President really does not like nor respect him.
Mr. West, although in a refined manner as compared to Mr. Jesse Jackson, has intellectually terrorized thousands of students and the media with his useless literary slop.
MiltonMan
May 19th, 2011
12:27 pm
Funny to see the libs on here thinking that they are Nostradamus by predicting Obozo in a landslide.
TG
May 19th, 2011
12:27 pm
And Bookman, shame on you for exploiting a piece of West’s overall point to play the race card. Neo-liberals are as bad as right-wingers with not EVER being able to see past race.
West’s point was NOT “yanking Obama’s credentials as a Black man.” He questions his credentials as a supposed PROGRESSIVE. His net was MUCH bigger than you relyaed Bookaman. Shame, shame on you.
Gm
May 19th, 2011
12:29 pm
THE TRUTH
yea he really does not care, thats why he is fighting to keep senior medicaid, health care, oh by the way America safe.
The problem with the right they are looking for a Rep version of Obama one that sells out to big Oil companies, what a idiot of party voting to keep tax breaks for big oil making billions.
Thank you Obama for standing up to big Oil and not taking kick backs like Rep, and keeping family values.
stands for decibels
May 19th, 2011
12:29 pm
A black president should be no more obligated to black people than a white president should be toward white people. Mr West is fundamentally wrong.
yes. well. about that. I think Marc Maron put it best, way back in May 2008:
“I like Obama. I’m excited about . . . the way he looks just over the audience into the distance at something good and right for all just out on the horizon. I think this is a historic opportunity for black people to be misrepresented by one of their own. We’ve been misrepresented by ours since the beginning. I say pass the baton, brother.”
whocares
May 19th, 2011
12:29 pm
I think citizens, whether R or D, don’t totally understand the political process. There are a lot more things that go on behind the scenes that we will never know.
I say that to say that for all the knowledge that Dr. West has, he should know better. To question President Obama’s blackness is an insult. He may as well question his sexuality to boot…
getalife
May 19th, 2011
12:30 pm
HD,
“Actually, no. I’ve spent a good deal of time, in the past, around people who were in the public eye, (to the point of them not be able to eat a meal in a restaurant without people asking for autographs) and I wouldn’t trade places with them, at all.”
Give us some TMZ dirt .
USMC
May 19th, 2011
12:30 pm
The Hypocrisy of the Left-wing Liberal (Marxist/Socialist) is Laughable:
I guess when you can’t win with logic, you start making up stories of “King Ronald” or you(Cornel West) attack a man’s “skin color” and judge everyone by their religion (jewish) & RACE.
Maybe someone needs to send “Brutha” Cornel West to this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEMXaTktUfA
(…judge NOT on the COLOR of skin but on the CONTENT of character…)
Joe Mama
May 19th, 2011
12:30 pm
Don’t Forget — “A black president should be no more obligated to black people than a white president should be toward white people. Mr West is fundamentally wrong.”
This.
larry
May 19th, 2011
12:31 pm
Cornel West, Kanye West …………………………………Adam West.
Maybe we should head east?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vwNcNOTVzY
Jimmy62
May 19th, 2011
12:32 pm
West is realizing what Obama already knew. West is irrelevant and everyone but West himself and Jay knows it.
Grasshopper
May 19th, 2011
12:32 pm
West sounds like a spurned lover.
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
12:33 pm
“To question President Obama’s blackness is an insult. He may as well question his sexuality to boot…”
Oh, no! Don’t tell me he’s one of “those” people.
Does josef nix know this?
Davidtoo
May 19th, 2011
12:33 pm
So is obama an authentic black man or an authentic white man ?
By the way, why does obama claim to be black when he is everybit as much white ?
Or would a 50/50 man offend blacks if he called himself white ? Would he offend whites ?
I think not.
liberalefty
May 19th, 2011
12:34 pm
@davidtoo
because he looks black..he was always considered himself black because to the average person he looks black…
Tracy
May 19th, 2011
12:34 pm
Tons of people on the left have bailed on Obama, claiming he’s sold out his “liberal” ideology. I know countless college liberals who acted like they won the lottery when Obama won. Absolutely every single one of them calls him a fraud now. They just view him as W Bush except he gave out a hooky healthcare plan that won’t help anyone get healthcare.
Meanwhile the right wing media and politicans continue to paint him as “the most socialist left-winged” President we’ve ever had.
How can he be such a raging liberal is the liberals are all turning against him for “selling out” ???
BADA BING
May 19th, 2011
12:34 pm
West should start an org. for recovering obamaholics. Like AA, OA would focus on returning addicts to real life. West has taken his own first step and admitted he had a problem. What step is the one about Apology? Make sure all members stress that one to the rest of the country.
White House-Black Market
May 19th, 2011
12:35 pm
We don’t prefer gray.
USMC
May 19th, 2011
12:36 pm
I do though applaud Jay Bookman for even writing a column on this ridiculousness from the Left.
(don’t think Cornel is the only Racial Marxist who spouts this trash)
You all remember Obama’s friend here, don’t you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hPR5jnjtLo
Black Man Credentialist
May 19th, 2011
12:36 pm
No 1/2 white man can be black.
jm
May 19th, 2011
12:37 pm
USMC 12:36 – common theme: defending Obama….
Tracy
May 19th, 2011
12:37 pm
Davidtoo is either trolling or really stupid.
Most people who are mixed black/white will go by whatever they look like.Obama looks like a “black” man. Had he been born with pale skin and sandy blonde straight hair he would no doubt identify as a “white” man.
Dumb questions come from dumb people.
Peadawg
May 19th, 2011
12:37 pm
@ Keep Up the Good Fight! @ 12:10 – sorry, you are correct. we peadawgs can sometimes be not too bright. fear not – this mistayk won’t happen again.
Granny Godzilla
May 19th, 2011
12:37 pm
Tracy
“I know countless college liberals who acted like they won the lottery when Obama won. Absolutely every single one of them calls him a fraud now.”
look! another interesting coinkydink! I know countless republicans who have seen President Obama’s success and when they compare it to what’s left of the GOP (RINO’s and Tea Partiers) are exclaiming to all who will listen that they are going Obama in 2012
Gotta’ love American politics….
Joyce
May 19th, 2011
12:38 pm
Family, honest hard work and education lift people out of poverty. Cornel West needs to address the need for a strong, devoted black family to raise children, a love of education and the desire to start our own businesses. Government programs have made things worst for many of us.
THE TRUTH
May 19th, 2011
12:38 pm
Gm
May 19th, 2011
12:29 pm
Gm, the vote not to stop subsidies to the oil companies was a bipartisan vote. Perhaps you would like to read why some of the dem.s voted with the GOP.
Typical uninformed lib.
DebbieDoRight
May 19th, 2011
12:38 pm
TG: West told the truth and a lot of people are afraid of the truth–that like West, you TOO were “misled in a very deep way.”
What truth did West tell? Just asking………
jm
May 19th, 2011
12:38 pm
Obama is as chronically over-exposed as Natalie Portman is these days.
USMC
May 19th, 2011
12:39 pm
I guess Cornel West has gotten too used to BLACK PRIVILEGE/ AFFIRMATIVE ACTION
jm
May 19th, 2011
12:40 pm
I think, when I wake up the day after Doomsday, I’m going to have waffles.
ty webb
May 19th, 2011
12:40 pm
Anyone else hear about this fox ruuning around the metro atlanta neighborhood…”Fox”, that’s so 1970’s…I thought they were called “cougars” now?
BADA BING
May 19th, 2011
12:40 pm
larry…..good one. May I copy you?
Kanye West………..President Bush doesn’t like Black people.
Cornel West………..President Obama doesn’t like Black people.
kaycee
May 19th, 2011
12:42 pm
Wow! Interesting topic today. I have, for a long time, been a little underwhelmed by Prof. West. I think the good professor might be a little more convincing if he were to proffer his critique from the halls of an historically black college or university. A tenured professor at Princeton may have trouble getting “the borthers” to take him seriously.
Sadly, I continue to be disappointed by the level of discourse exhibited by some of your posters here, who seem to be incapable of offering a principled opinion about matters of race and ethnicity without being needlessly provocative.
Mick
May 19th, 2011
12:43 pm
bada
Honey west…….screw the both of em.
Goldie
May 19th, 2011
12:43 pm
Bada Bing @ 12:34– most Americans are still waiting for your guy GWB’s big apology for what he foisted onto the entire world… why can’t you Repubs man-up and admit whatcha did???
Gm
May 19th, 2011
12:43 pm
THE TRUTH
Only 2 Dem voted with Rep, your party is the reason America us screwed up now, when will middle class conservatives stop big oil from ranking in billions at the expense of Americans?
Obama is the only President to stand up in public to denounce big oil.
Thank God we have a leader who cares about the people, when ever you idiots get past his skin color we will have a better America.
DebbieDoRight
May 19th, 2011
12:44 pm
Davidtoo: By the way, why does obama claim to be black when he is everybit as much white ?
Because Americans can’t believe what they can’t see.
Or would a 50/50 man offend blacks if he called himself white ? Would he offend whites?
Why don’t you ask the next 50/50 man you run into? They’d probably be better able to answer the question.
Logical Dude
May 19th, 2011
12:44 pm
I didn’t even know Obama went to Cornel University. I also didn’t know Cornel had a West Campus.
Oh, those silly colleges with their credentials!
redneckbluedog
May 19th, 2011
12:44 pm
Now that’s a liberal…!!!! He is thoughtful, well-spoken, and sounds intelligent. He is also correct about most things….However, he is not so pragmatic, unlike our President….
BADA BING
May 19th, 2011
12:45 pm
Goldie….Independent here, all pols are crooked.
THE TRUTH
May 19th, 2011
12:45 pm
whocares
May 19th, 2011
12:29 pm
Obama the first he/she president?
khc
May 19th, 2011
12:46 pm
it is amazing how aligned with wall st vs main st obama is; holder is a disgrace as attorney general in prosecuting white collar crime. but considering the alternative i guess they folks get a pass.
Goldie
May 19th, 2011
12:46 pm
oh yeah, “independent” Bada Bing — very much like NO ONE ever admitted to voting for Nixon back in ‘74!
THE TRUTH
May 19th, 2011
12:48 pm
Gm you are the only idiot on here.
md
May 19th, 2011
12:50 pm
“most Americans are still waiting for your guy GWB’s big apology for what he foisted onto the entire world…”
The guy certainly made some mistakes, but please enlighten us on how he did it all by himself. There was/is plenty of blame to go around………unless one is a side chooser and wearing blinders…….
USMC
May 19th, 2011
12:51 pm
“USMC 12:36 – common theme: defending Obama….”
You know JM, you’re always a few steps ahead. You’d make a great “point man” on Patrol or Reconnaissance
But the cracks in Obama’s armor sure are starting to shine through:
Cindy Crawford now backing Romney?
Jewish Donors Warn Obama on Israel
Peter Fonda calls Obama ‘traitor’ at Cannes…
Cornel West…Price of gas…the ECONOMY…the National Debt…UNEMPLOYMENT…ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION…Oil spills in the Gulf of Mexico…a failed OBAMACARE…the value of the DOLLAR…the housing Market…etc…. tick tock, tick tock, …tick
I Know You Are But What Am I
May 19th, 2011
12:51 pm
I’m not sure what people of color legitimately expected from President Obama.
I remember nothing in his campaign rhetoric that defined his intention to address the needs and concerns of the black community specifically. I do, however, remember the rejoicing in the streets and the pronouncements from the black community that the balance in Washington had finally shifted to their advantage.
Methinks the black community misspoke and misunderstood. They were both misguided and misdirected. This was not the President, and these are not the times, for an augmentation of social benefit programs.
DebbieDoRight
May 19th, 2011
12:52 pm
kaycee: I think the good professor might be a little more convincing if he were to proffer his critique from the halls of an historically black college or university. A tenured professor at Princeton may have trouble getting “the borthers” to take him seriously.
So very, very true. I wonder how “Black” Cornel West is, or if he’s just another corporate sellout like he says Obama is……..
Sadly, I continue to be disappointed by the level of discourse exhibited by some of your posters here, who seem to be incapable of offering a principled opinion about matters of race and ethnicity without being needlessly provocative.
You must be new!
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
12:53 pm
Mary Elizabeth: “But Obama did get the healthcare package through Congress into law – no president in 50 years had been able to do that and I again say that he got the best deal he could have.”
I completely disagree. While it’s a good thing that a plan was passed, the plan itself left much to be desired. The president could have gotten much better had he practiced those acts of presidential leadership I cited above from the Kuttner article.
And as to the issue of the radicalization of the GOP, that’s a given. But I think you may have misunderstood. Though there’s no way he can persuade hard line GOP members, which I understand perfectly well, what he can do is to marginalize them and exert pressure on them, just as he did so brilliantly during his speech to George Washington U. with Paul Ryan in attendance. The problem is just that he hasn’t done this sort of thing with enough frequency and has failed to do this with the ideological sweep that’s necessary to bring about the kind of transformation he claimed during his campaign to want to initiate (e.g. when he claimed to admire Reagan as a transformational figure).
Once again, here’s Kuttner:
In the formulation of the political historian James MacGregor Burns, Obama ran and inspired voters as a “transformational” figure but governed as a “transactional” one. Notwithstanding a vow to profoundly change Washington, Obama took the Washington power constellation as a given. Despite an economic emergency, he moved neither Congress nor public opinion very much and only seldom used his oratorical gifts
BADA BING
May 19th, 2011
12:55 pm
goldie,…….are you new here? You don’t want to get started w/me.
willie lynch
May 19th, 2011
12:55 pm
There is no question President Obama has surrounded himself with people other than those who resemble him physically. The importance of physical resemblence does not mean you are like minded in your thoughts and conclusions. In reality there is no other position Barack Obama could occupy but that of “flunkie” to the white power structure. As was pointed out in a previous blog “white guilt” was what put Obama in the White House. I don’t agree with that but I do believe that there was a perfect coming together of many elements of the American psyche that led to his winning the election and I think a great deal of it was answered with, why not?
In thinking that President Obama could usher in some grand Black agenda is foolish and many Black people entertained those thoughts once he took office. The funny thing is many whites thought the same way.
I appreciate what Barack Obama represents for young Black males in particular and minority peoples in America in general and that is a face that is different from the other 43 that we see on that Presidential collage.
Cornell West has been touted as “one of the leading Black intellectuals in America”, but by whom? He sounds like a girl who has been ignored by the most poular boy on campus after he smiled at her, but he should understand there is no benefit in appealing to Black people we don’t make up that much of the population.
I look at Dr. King, Elijah Muhammad, Malcolm X, Frederick Douglass and others who shared the same DNA of the slaves of America and I see a difference in their approach to black people and their causes. Barack Obama is the son of an African who did not come from an American slave lineage, and a white woman. He is a representation of Black but his true nature seems to indicate a greater comfort (and I don’t have a problem with it) with his other half.
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
12:56 pm
“but please enlighten us on how he did it all by himself.”
“But I’m the decider, and I decide what is best. ”
George W. Bush
Gm
May 19th, 2011
12:58 pm
THE TRUTH
I know facts hurt people like you;
Where are all the jobs the Rep ran on back in Nov? once again middle and low middle class whites got expolited again by the tea party, Rush, Hannity, Sara while they took in their cool millions, no, you and your party are the idiots.
Mick
May 19th, 2011
12:58 pm
usmc
This is a good explanation of how democrats can be highly critical of obama but will still vote for him-
**I’m on record saying that despite my disappointments on the economic and civil liberties front, I support Obama’s re-election: He’s as progressive a leader as we’re able to elect right now, and if you have issues with him – as I do – it’s time to work to elect strong Democrats at the state and local level. I’m pro-Obama – and also pro-reasonable organizing efforts to push him left.** Joan Walsh
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
1:00 pm
Mr. Castle at 12:07 and I know at 12:15.
Superb posts.
Tracy, the short answer? Cons clearly have no earthly idea how to gauge a man’s ideology any more. As in, not at all.
They blathered for years that GWB and gang were REAL conservatives.
Pure insanity. And patently obvious before he was even (s)elected by the SCOTUS.
Now they blather that BHO is an ultra-liberal socialist. Again, this is mindless drivel that they parrot from their idiotic talking head heroes.
These people are completely clueless and proud of it…
Granny Godzilla
May 19th, 2011
1:01 pm
Goldie…
“are you new here?”
now that’s funny.
BADA BING
May 19th, 2011
1:02 pm
granny, why do you think we have a mexican standoff?
BADA BING
May 19th, 2011
1:03 pm
we both can take care of ourselves. it would be an exercise in futility, would it not?
md
May 19th, 2011
1:03 pm
“But I’m the decider, and I decide what is best. ”
George W. Bush”
And Congress is a non factor? Along with inherited policies from many generations?? Not to mention the greedy among us………………..
Granny Godzilla
May 19th, 2011
1:04 pm
BB
I’d prefer stalemate or impasse….and which one are you talking about?
md
May 19th, 2011
1:05 pm
“Where are all the jobs the Rep ran on back in Nov?”
You serious? Since when has policy ever come out of one half of one branch of gov’t?
md
May 19th, 2011
1:07 pm
OK Jay……..are the IT folks even trying to straighten this crap out?
USMC
May 19th, 2011
1:07 pm
Boy, I wonder if Soledad O”Brien or Roland Martin, resident R@ci$ts over at the (C)ommunist (N)ews (N)etwork will chime in on this issue of “degrees of Blackness”…
Probably not, the Mainstream media will do whatever they can to protect and coddle OBAMA
Obama is in REAL trouble in 2012!
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 19th, 2011
1:07 pm
Oh well let the lefties argue this topic out among themselves. They’ll probably change it soon back over to hating Bush, Cheney, Palin, Gingrich, Ryan, Romney, Cain or some other Republican hate symbol… later
getalife
May 19th, 2011
1:09 pm
So, west is not a puppet for corporate power?
Better check his voting record to see if he voted against them.
I bet he is a hypocrite.
BADA BING
May 19th, 2011
1:11 pm
granny….we could both cut each other down a thousand different ways. We would both be bloody and all we would do is waste space on the internets. call it a gentle mans/womans agreement.
Jay
May 19th, 2011
1:12 pm
You serious? Since when has policy ever come out of one half of one branch of gov’t?
Oh, I think that happened in January 2007, when Democrats took over Congress and suddenly caused a total collapse of the Bush economy by doing so.
At least that’s what I read here, md.
getalife
May 19th, 2011
1:12 pm
I am outraged that drudge is calling rahm the “Godfather”.
He is Mayor of Chicago.
USMC
May 19th, 2011
1:13 pm
“Ruh Roh Raggy”…
OBAMA SIDES WITH PALESTINE…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110519/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_mideast_palestinians_1
-AIPac won’t like this come election time 2012
Did I mention JOBLESS CLAIMS: 409,000…
http://www.cnbc.com/id/43090708
Obama loses in 2012
(ding, dong the witch is dead…)
Free Wheel
May 19th, 2011
1:17 pm
When will there be a viable third party to represent the will of the middle class anyway?
From where I sit, the tea party is simply a Republican protest element.
Granny Godzilla
May 19th, 2011
1:17 pm
BB
“We would both be bloody”
ah, nope
andygrdzki
May 19th, 2011
1:18 pm
Top 100 contributors in the 2008 election….. I wonder who got the most…….. who is in whose pocket…. Now you know why the Dems are pushing so hard for their Groups…… for the good of the American people… no, just a few of the American people.
1 ActBlue $24,087,336 100% 0% Solidly Dem
2 Goldman Sachs $7,087,620 75% 25% Strongly Dem
3 AT&T Inc $5,891,962 46% 54% On the fence
4 JPMorgan Chase & Co $5,825,354 59% 41% Leans Dem
5 Citigroup Inc $5,738,030 64% 36% Leans Dem
6 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $5,020,696 98% 2% Solidly Dem
7 National Assn of Realtors $4,953,940 58% 42% Leans Dem
8 American Bankers Assn $4,515,577 42% 58% On the fence
9 General Electric $4,356,043 67% 33% Leans Dem
10 Morgan Stanley $4,304,214 55% 45% On the fence
11 Microsoft Corp $4,035,134 71% 29% Strongly Dem
12 Comcast Corp $3,914,137 64% 36% Leans Dem
13 Bank of America $3,897,060 53% 47% On the fence
14 Blue Cross/Blue Shield $3,847,104 49% 51% On the fence
15 UBS AG $3,686,901 52% 48% On the fence
16 University of California $3,612,719 93% 7% Solidly Dem
17 Time Warner $3,608,558 82% 18% Strongly Dem
18 American Assn for Justice $3,563,740 94% 6% Solidly Dem
19 American Federation of Teachers $3,553,661 99% 1% Strongly Dem
20 International Assn of Fire Fighters $3,546,750 78% 22% Strongly Dem
21 Merrill Lynch $3,430,721 45% 55% On the fence
22 Honeywell International $3,406,753 50% 50% On the fence
23 Credit Union National Assn $3,372,567 52% 48% On the fence
24 Operating Engineers Union $3,362,043 87% 13% Strongly Dem
25 PricewaterhouseCoopers $3,341,192 46% 54% On the fence
26 Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu $3,334,915 49% 51% On the fence
27 National Auto Dealers Assn $3,296,500 34% 66% Leans Repub
28 United Parcel Service $3,275,672 40% 60% Leans Repub
29 Lockheed Martin $3,270,887 49% 51% On the fence
30 National Beer Wholesalers Assn $3,237,800 53% 47% On the fence
31 EMILY’s List $3,231,093 100% 0% Solidly Dem
32 Laborers Union $3,186,360 94% 6% Solidly Dem
33 Verizon Communications $3,185,951 48% 52% On the fence
34 National Assn of Home Builders $3,149,125 45% 55% On the fence
35 Credit Suisse Group $3,109,649 54% 46% On the fence
36 Service Employees International Union $3,062,213 95% 5% Solidly Dem
37 American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees $3,050,901 99% 1% Solidly Dem
38 Machinists/Aerospace Workers Union $2,992,733 97% 3% Solidly Dem
39 National Air Traffic Controllers Assn $2,973,033 81% 19% Strongly Dem
40 Teamsters Union $2,965,145 97% 3% Solidly Dem
41 DLA Piper $2,910,482 74% 26% Strongly Dem
42 Wachovia Corp $2,905,762 39% 61% Leans Repub
43 Air Line Pilots Assn $2,898,410 87% 13% Strongly Dem
44 New York Life Insurance $2,892,184 57% 43% On the fence
45 Sheet Metal Workers Union $2,877,472 98% 2% Solidly Dem
46 Club for Growth $2,810,430 0% 100% Solidly Repub
47 American Hospital Assn $2,797,733 61% 39% On the fence
48 National Education Assn $2,771,947 90% 10% Strongly Dem
49 Akin, Gump et al $2,764,224 62% 38% Leans Dem
50 Koch Industries $2,763,814 13% 87% Strongly Repub
51 Plumbers/Pipefitters Union $2,736,081 94% 6% Strongly Dem
52 Ernst & Young $2,734,740 45% 55% On the fence
53 Boeing Co $2,702,681 57% 43% Leans Dem
54 FedEx Corp $2,668,340 41% 59% Leans Repub
55 American Dental Assn $2,562,690 53% 47% On the fence
56 Harvard University $2,555,589 86% 14% Strongly Dem
57 Communications Workers of America $2,459,861 99% 1% Solidly Dem
58 Northrop Grumman $2,451,966 53% 47% On the fence
59 United Auto Workers $2,424,937 99% 1% Solidly Dem
60 Lehman Brothers $2,413,651 64% 36% Leans Dem
61 National Amusements Inc $2,400,059 87% 13% Strongly Dem
62 Carpenters & Joiners Union $2,396,051 87% 13% Strongly Dem
63 United Food & Commercial Workers Union $2,377,194 100% 0% Solidly Dem
64 Raytheon Co $2,346,811 50% 50% On the fence
65 Pfizer Inc $2,338,950 51% 49% On the fence
66 AFLAC Inc $2,322,930 44% 56% On the fence
67 Wal-Mart Stores $2,311,031 45% 55% On the fence
68 KPMG LLP $2,304,740 46% 54% On the fence
69 Burlington Northern Santa Fe Corp $2,283,960 44% 56% On the fence
70 Anheuser-Busch InBev $2,263,083 55% 45% On the fence
71 Skadden, Arps et al $2,238,722 83% 17% Strongly Dem
72 Google Inc $2,146,154 83% 17% Strongly Dem
73 Union Pacific Corp $2,138,958 37% 63% Leans Repub
74 Elliott Management $2,138,615 1% 99% Solidly Repub
75 Ironworkers Union $2,134,275 97% 3% Solidly Dem
76 Blackstone Group $2,097,391 47% 53% On the fence
77 UnitedHealth Group $2,089,982 65% 35% Leans Dem
78 General Dynamics $2,078,704 56% 44% Leans Dem
79 Wells Fargo $2,030,790 48% 52% On the fence
80 American Crystal Sugar $2,024,150 64% 36% Leans Dem
81 News Corp $1,980,008 76% 24% Strongly Dem
82 Deutsche Bank AG $1,979,995 69% 31% Strongly Dem
83 Patton Boggs LLP $1,977,094 76% 24% Strongly Dem
84 Associated Builders & Contractors $1,964,350 1% 99% Solidly Repub
85 Sidley Austin LLP $1,953,971 81% 19% Strongly Dem
86 National Cable & Telecommunications Assn $1,947,658 52% 48% On the fence
87 American Postal Workers Union $1,933,162 99% 1% Solidly Dem
88 FMR Corp $1,926,442 49% 51% On the fence
89 National Rural Electric Cooperative Assn $1,924,682 50% 50% On the fence
90 American Medical Assn $1,921,047 56% 44% On the fence
91 Aircraft Owners & Pilots Assn $1,888,700 54% 46% On the fence
92 Bear Stearns $1,882,277 55% 45% On the fence
93 Greenberg Traurig LLP $1,866,748 68% 32% Strongly Dem
94 US Government $1,857,649 51% 49% On the fence
95 Amgen Inc $1,836,539 48% 52% On the fence
96 Natl Assn/Insurance & Financial Advisors $1,829,450 50% 50% On the fence
97 Walt Disney Co $1,792,411 77% 23% Strongly Dem
98 National Assn of Letter Carriers $1,785,450 96% 4% Solidly Dem
99 Exelon Corp $1,783,967 53% 47% On the fence
100 WPP Group $1,765,317 53% 47%
From the list looks like the DEMS are really bought…. And I thought it was just republicans…… According to the liberals..
Sorry Jay this is so long….. trying to make a point…..
TaxPayer
May 19th, 2011
1:18 pm
U.S. insurers led by WellPoint Inc. (WLP) and UnitedHealth Group Inc. (UNH) failed to get federal regulators to change a rule in the 2010 health-care overhaul that triggers a review of any premium increases exceeding 10 percent.
The ruling takes effect this year and adds pressure on insurers to justify price increases. The health insurance industry’s Washington lobbying group, America’s Health Insurance Plan, had asked the government to do away with the 10 percent rate review threshold, calling it flawed.
The rules were prompted partly by a proposal from the California subsidiary of Indianapolis-based WellPoint to raise rates as much as 39 percent in 2010. After a review by California’s insurance commissioner, the underlying calculations were found to be incorrect and WellPoint cut the increase in half, according to the Department of Health and Human Services.
Oohhh! The horror! Those poor poor insurance companies. Que the cons with the proclamations that insurance companies just barely scrape by. They’re so poor they can hardly afford to pay their executives multi-million dollar salaries.
Don't Forget
May 19th, 2011
1:19 pm
“To question President Obama’s blackness is an insult. He may as well question his sexuality to boot…”
or his birth certificate.
Don't Forget
May 19th, 2011
1:19 pm
or his religion.
Logical Dude
May 19th, 2011
1:20 pm
Hi Jay,
If I reset my computer clock back an hour, will posts show up an hour ago? I’m still trying to figure out how I read a few posts at the end of the thread, then refresh, and there are other posts BEFORE the last one I read. (that weren’t there before).
This goes along with the posts yesterday where some people replied to posts that were AFTER their posts!
Granny Godzilla
May 19th, 2011
1:21 pm
“AIPac won’t like this come election time 2012″
Perhaps not, but J Street will.
Adam
May 19th, 2011
1:22 pm
Jack Nicholson in “A Few Good Men”.
The ONLY Tom Cruise movie truly worth watching, IMHO.
I dunno Dave, I liked Top Gun…
AmVet: BHO is a corporate-owned politician who has NO plan for the bottom 100 millions Americans.
Well, only if you look at it from a perspective of not really changing anything for the worse for them. His plan so far is to keep unemployment, taxes, and fodd stamps where they are as much as possible, while “punishing” the rich (scare quotes on purpose). It’s not a bad plan politically, and it may be argued that funding should INCREASE in these areas, but who’s going to vote for that? Not enough legislators, that’s for sure. Too much “starve the beast” has gone on to make increasing funding in anything an idea anyone will vote for. Now, they might get the vote for tax increases, and for spending cuts in the same areas (which is sad) but that’s about it. Thank you “starve the beast.”
Even so I had hoped he would be a “dangerous” black man and not just what I see as more milquetoast.
The problem, aside from referring to his race, is that we ended up with a President who for political reasons did not go FAR ENOUGH to the left, and was lambasted by the right as being TOO LEFT, and continues to be no matter what he actually does, and the left is upset because he is too middle ground or far to the right. One of these is not correct. All we got was a few rules and regulations regarding health care, when it comes to “leftist” policies. Everything else has been middle-of-the-road or right leaning. Even much of the health care law was right leaning ideologically, until the right moved further to the right on it.
Go ahead and challenge me on that. Bring up some PASSED policy of his, SPECIFICALLY, and tell me why it’s leftist. Health care doesn’t count, as I have already addressed it above.
getalife
May 19th, 2011
1:23 pm
A mascot of Wall Street oligarchs and a puppet of corporate plutocrats.
I think we can agree that this describes our government.
Now that you know the problem, what are you going to do about it?
Keep yelling at them for trying to steal Medicare.
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
1:23 pm
“From where I sit, the tea party is simply a Republican protest element.”
Then I suggest you change seats. You clearly are being blocked by something.
md
May 19th, 2011
1:29 pm
Jay…there is a bit of a difference between one half of one branch and all of Congress…….
Regardless, those folks are just as wrong…………..now, if folks want to discuss when one party has complete control……….even then there are exceptions.
DebbieDoRight
May 19th, 2011
1:29 pm
Then I suggest you change seats. You clearly are being blocked by something.
Your big head is in the way.
BADA BING
May 19th, 2011
1:30 pm
logical…..I also noticed misplaced posts yesterday. They are getting lost in the blogesphere.
Is Colonel MISSPELLED on Purpose???
May 19th, 2011
1:30 pm
Just curious, did I miss something? Is Congressman West’s military rank, Lt. Col.(Colonel) being spelled “Cornel” for a reason?
HANDS DOWN, WEST IS ONE OF THE GOOD GUYS IN D.C. …. I just hope that he doesn’t become tainted by the rotten politicians on The Hill.
Tundra Dude
May 19th, 2011
1:34 pm
Cornel West yanks Obama’s credentials as a black man
Funny stuff! This character lacks the gravitas to yank the credentials of any powerful politician.
I’ve not had this patient on my couch, but I’d guess he’s really feeling “dissd” by the Really powerful peeps. Imo, all this is a desperate cry for recognition; (I Be’s Somebody!!)
md
May 19th, 2011
1:34 pm
Let’s see if this posts @ 1:33
TaxPayer
May 19th, 2011
1:35 pm
The top two corporate donors in 2010 were TRT Holdings and Alliance Resource Partners, which each donated about $2.5 million to the ’super PAC’ American Crossroads. Corporate donations are likely higher than reported as conservative non-profit groups spent $121 million without disclosing where the money came from.
No way! How did that happen! The Supremes! What does Diana Ross have to do with it.
Is Colonel MISSPELLED on Purpose??? - Ooops! My Mistake
May 19th, 2011
1:37 pm
Ooops! I clicked the link for Cornel West…… I stand corrected, SORRY!
Finn McCool
May 19th, 2011
1:38 pm
Jay, Cornell and Cynthia have both been on Bill Maher’s show several times. When is your turn?
Mick
May 19th, 2011
1:39 pm
Chill, where else can you enjoy a little time travel?
Yahtzee
May 19th, 2011
1:39 pm
Jay,
Haven’t you had at least one opinion piece a day this week about the President’s race? Why? I guess Obama really is that bad of leader..
Yippee
May 19th, 2011
1:40 pm
News Flash: Cornell West announces as Republican candidate for president in 2012.
Now, Jay’s choice of topics makes more sense
(just messin’ withyou there JB)
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
1:42 pm
“Your big head is in the way.
However, the size of my head is not in question, while the size of my justifiably large ego is.
John
May 19th, 2011
1:43 pm
Logical- I am acknowledging the receipt of your post today, May 3, 2011. You may not receive this reply until the week of the 16th. Let me know as I am heading to Superbowl 28- go Bills
Hi Jay,
If I reset my computer clock back an hour, will posts show up an hour ago? I’m still trying to figure out how I read a few posts at the end of the thread, then refresh, and there are other posts BEFORE the last one I read. (that weren’t there before).
This goes along with the posts yesterday where some people replied to posts that were AFTER their posts!
G Cancryn
May 19th, 2011
1:44 pm
Look, this is simple. President Obama is president of the United States of America. He must consider all Americans in his decisions and policies. He’s repaired the economy, fought off pirates, got Bin Ladin, tried to do healthcare, (not so good should have been single payer, but that’s me) stem cell, and hundreds of other improvements. Remember what it was like when he took office? People were running to the bank to take their money out, tent cities, etc. I think the position of President is a collective, not everyone is going to be happy all the time. Why are Americans so self important to think that the President must serve their individual needs?
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
1:45 pm
“Chill, where else can you enjoy a little time travel?”
I’ve already got a comment in the queue that is ready to post tomorrow at 3:00.
And another one for yesterday at 5:00.
USMC
May 19th, 2011
1:47 pm
“Cornel West yanks Obama’s credentials as a black man”
The Narcissism of Black Privilege and Affirmative Action
G Cancryn
May 19th, 2011
1:51 pm
@andygrdzki
THEY WANT TO GO WITH A WINNER. PLAIN AND SIMPLE
md
May 19th, 2011
1:53 pm
“He’s repaired the economy”
Boy, that one highly debatable…………….some of his short term “fixes” may end up costing more than we can imagine……….
The Credentialator
May 19th, 2011
1:53 pm
He’s not muslim either.
DebbieDoRight
May 19th, 2011
1:53 pm
usmc:The Narcissism of Black Privilege and Affirmative Action
The craziness of a lonely old man with no one to visit him at the old folks home………..
USMC
May 19th, 2011
1:54 pm
It looks like I hit Debbie right between the eyes!
The truth sometimes hurts, doesn’t it Debbie
Adam
May 19th, 2011
1:55 pm
jm: Dave R – libs are anti-success. That’s the only explanation for why they would penalize the largest companies.
The problem is that you see ending subsidies as a “penalization.” You wouldn’t say the same thing about ending welfare, I bet. It’s the same thing, except that oil companies DEFINITELY do not need the subsidies, and most of the people on welfare actually need the help to survive.
Dave R: I think that liberals by and large, and liberal politicians more so, are enamored with power and control over others.
And conservatives also have several policies that involve invasion into your personal life in order to have power and control over you. So I wouldn’t paint liberals with the (still broad) brush that you have, while ignoring counterparts.
Control they never had in the private sector, because they either failed in the private sector, or never worked in it for very long.
Not Intended to be a Factual Statement
Maxine Waters D-(SpaceCadet) telling oil executives that “this liberal’s (her) goal was to nationalize the oil companies.
Intent to mislead by quoting one individual and implying the viewpoint applies to the group.
thomas: Can’t bring up that more people than ever are on food stamps, cause according to you that was only meant as a racist slant by Newt
The issue was calling him the “food stamp president” although I agree that perhaps it wasn’t actually intended to be a racial statement, just Newt’s usual poor choice of words and messaging ability of late. But, more people being on food stamps isn’t Obama’s fault, and that needs to be pointed out too. More people are on food stamps because more people need them, and the trend started before he was even campaigning for president. It has everything to do with an economy that Washington can only MAKE WORSE, not MAKE BETTER through legislation.
Paulo977
May 19th, 2011
1:56 pm
Mary
Elizabeth
“AmVet, on that I disagree. Obama wanted a public option within the healthcare plan. He should not have had to waste so much time just fighting for its passage ” I agree with you Mary E . O
poison pen
May 19th, 2011
1:59 pm
Obama sides with the Palestinains and tells Israel to go back to the 1967 borders. Why in the hell don’t he keep his nose out of everyones business.
The Palestians were nothing more than terrorists and now he supports them, what in the hell is wrong with this man?
Where's My Party?
May 19th, 2011
1:59 pm
“You organize a community, then a city, then a county, then a state, then a nation…..And President Obama did just that incredibly effectively. ”
Congrats. The most asinine thing ever posted on any Bookman blog.
Adam
May 19th, 2011
1:59 pm
Dave – while the size of my justifiably large ego is.
No one’s ego is “justifiably” large. It’s nice to have a healthy one, but it’s wrong, imo, to believe your ego is important enough that it trumps attempting civility in all situations where you are tempted to just bash the other person.
And please note, I have bashed other people but I also don’t have a belief in my large ego or that I’m better than everyone. Because, depending on the subject, there’s ALWAYS someone better than you. EVERY TIME.
Mick
May 19th, 2011
2:01 pm
adam
Lighten up francis, I believe dave r was just funnin, you can’t take life so seriously all the time…
Jay
May 19th, 2011
2:02 pm
Isreael returning to its 1967 borders has been a central part of US foreign policy since, well, 1967.
jm
May 19th, 2011
2:02 pm
Mick “Lighten up francis”
I’ve heard that phrase somewhere before
jm
May 19th, 2011
2:04 pm
“Cornel West yanks Obama’s credentials as a black man”
Can he no longer do the secret handshake?
Does he have to return his New Black Panthers pin?
Paulo977
May 19th, 2011
2:04 pm
“Obama wanted a public option within the healthcare plan. He should not have had to waste so much time just fighting for its passage against an intransigent Republican body” I agree with you Mary Elizabeth … Obama has had to work for
what is right in shackles !!! Even many Democrats are too heavily invested in the corporate world to support him 100%!! That he has managed to accomplish even what he has is fantastic. His vision is still viable!
Adam
May 19th, 2011
2:04 pm
jm: Obama Doctrine (not that there is one): um, failure to lead.
Congress under Obama passes landmark healthcare law despite filibuster opposition. Failure to lead.
Cuts proposed by Obama and Democrats, but no specific cuts proposed by Republicans, still gets passed in both houses of Congress. Failure to lead.
US operation, under CIC Obama, finds and kills Osama bin Laden. Failure to lead.
Yep, I can TOTALLY see your point.
(BTW it’s not a failure to lead if not everyone follows you. It’s a failure to lead if next to NO ONE agrees with you or tries to do what you want.)
jm
May 19th, 2011
2:05 pm
this is funny
Rapture Parties Planned Across Country by Atheists
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
2:06 pm
Adam, thanks for the response.
Once again, BHO has been VERY receptive to corporate power. His administration is loaded with former Wall Streeters and corporate fat cats.
He was the first Democratic candidate for POTUS to EVER outraise his GOP opponent in corporate contributions. And that was no accident.
Has he championed the cause of single-payer, full coverage health care for all of the American people?
Did he even advise his flunkie Max Baucus to stop disallowing those voices at the table?
Has he pushed for a decent living wage?
Has he cracked down whatsoever on corporate crime?
Has he really attempted to end the MASSIVE corporate giveaways, handouts, subsides and tax loopholes?
Has he outlined any plan at all for the least among us?
No, no, no, no, no and no.
But he has put in place some additional consumer protections.
And he has ended the days of a science-free White House.
And he has undone some of the environmental damaged pushed through by the Bush administration.
To date, a mixed bag. And why I have given him a grade of C.
And I certainly have never accused him of being too liberal.
That canard belong squarely in the camp of the perpetually clueless right wing…
jm
May 19th, 2011
2:06 pm
Jay 2:02 but the chosen one endorsed it, so now its official policy….
John
May 19th, 2011
2:06 pm
And longtime NBC and ABC reporter Sander Vanocur: “You want to know what’s wrong with the press? The press is what’s wrong with the press.”
Great quote
jm
May 19th, 2011
2:07 pm
Oh, yes. Palestine is a distraction. Nothing is going to happen there. Ergo, Mitchell decided to punch the clock and go on vacay.
Obama blathers, the government’s finances meanwhile go in the tank.
DebbieDoRight
May 19th, 2011
2:08 pm
usmc: The truth sometimes hurts, doesn’t it Debbie
YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!! (circa A Few Good Men)
PS: Got visitors yet?
jm
May 19th, 2011
2:09 pm
The Israelis will not be happy…
Jay
May 19th, 2011
2:09 pm
Again, jm, it always has been and never ceased being official policy, under every president going back to LBJ.
Adam
May 19th, 2011
2:09 pm
md: Wasn’t it just this week that Newt was blasted for his social engineering comment??
Yeah but no one on the left is picking this up as a talking point to persist for months and years. They’re only talking about it as “haha that’s pretty funny”
aaaaaand this half and half talk towards the end there is just stupid. Are you calling him a mudblood? Are we back in grade school now?
Jay
May 19th, 2011
2:10 pm
The Israelis will not be happy…
Good.
jm
May 19th, 2011
2:12 pm
Obama WH spin
Carney was asked straight up on Tuesday if he would talk about a report in the Israeli paper Yedioth Ahronoth, which said a purported draft of Obama’s speech calls for Israel to return to the pre-1967 borders. His response:
“Yes, I can. That report is completely false. We have not shared a draft of the speech with anyone outside of the administration.”
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
2:12 pm
Mick, never mind Adam.
I don’t.
jm
May 19th, 2011
2:13 pm
I like Austan
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0511/no_laughing_matter_aa8715d3-f385-4dbd-9fa8-dd70b38caf4d.html
jm
May 19th, 2011
2:14 pm
Jay 2:10 nothing like ticking off an ally for no reason since nothing is going to happen anyway. That seems to be the Obama Doctrine these days: offend your allies.
USMC
May 19th, 2011
2:15 pm
“Obama blathers, the government’s finances meanwhile go in the tank.”—jm
Obama and Bill Clinton, Post election 2012 after Obama LOSES:
Obama:
“Bill, What happened, I lost re-election. I am gifted with the teleprompter, and I thought the media and people loved me and….. I LOST!
Bill Clinton:
Simple, Brother… IT’S THE ECONOMY, Stupid!
Adam
May 19th, 2011
2:15 pm
AmVet: Good points. But I’ll take progress over going back to whatever decade the “good ol days” were in. Even if it takes baby steps, it’s better than taking giant leaps backward through war, reduction in disease research, reduction in LIFE SAVING regulations, denial of basic science, reliance on the idea of a “mandate” that had nothing to do with the election in question, etc.
USMC
May 19th, 2011
2:16 pm
“The Israelis will not be happy…Good.”—Jay Bookman
Jay must HATE Jews…
(see we can borrow a page from the Liberal Playbook too
jm
May 19th, 2011
2:16 pm
I think Obama’s mind is all twisted up. Since he got slapped in the face by Iran and others, and realized he can’t coddle and hug the enemy, he’s elected to start ticking off all our allies. Briiilllllliant.
He must need a shot of espresso or something.
Adam
May 19th, 2011
2:17 pm
Dave, Mick, Many a truth are spoken in jest.
DebbieDoRight
May 19th, 2011
2:17 pm
Dave R Can take a joke…he’s cool.
Oh wait, unless you tell a joke about Saaarrrraaahhhhh…..then all bets are off!
Go Miami! Beat those upstart Bulls!!! Game 3 on Saturday!
DebbieDoRight
May 19th, 2011
2:20 pm
jm: Jay 2:10 nothing like ticking off an ally for no reason since nothing is going to happen anyway. That seems to be the Obama Doctrine these days: offend your allies.
They’ve been bought and paid for, just like Pakistan. True allies don’t need billions of dollars a year just to remain your friend. Ask England.
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
2:20 pm
Jay, I guess I’m a bit old fashioned, but if someone were to attack, say the United States of America, and we ended up kicking same attackers butts, why couldn’t we keep the land we took from them in the butt-whipping?
Are we supposed to give back Texas to Mexico because we took it by force?
Are we required to give back the colonies to England because we won?
If the antagonists had won in 1967, would they have to give back their gains to Israel?
What is war about, if not ultimately to gain land? Why should Israel’s gains be forfeit? Because they are Israel?
Not seeing it, Jay.
jm
May 19th, 2011
2:21 pm
Who do I like better? A bunch of high-tech, democratically managed, hard working folks? Or a bunch of people who still live in the comparative dark ages, with beliefs that are equally sophisticated?
I like Israel.
DebbieDoRight
May 19th, 2011
2:21 pm
Adam: Even if it takes baby steps, it’s better than taking giant leaps backward through war, reduction in disease research, reduction in LIFE SAVING regulations, denial of basic science, reliance on the idea of a “mandate” that had nothing to do with the election in question, etc.
Amen Brother Adam, Amen.
Jay
May 19th, 2011
2:21 pm
When we took Texas, everyone in Texas became US citizens with the right to vote, Dave R.
Is Israel going to give the Palestinians the right to vote? Own and buy property? Etc.? The answer is no, because Israel would soon cease to be a Jewish state. The implication is an Israel that operates as an apartheid state.
USMC
May 19th, 2011
2:22 pm
“Oh wait, unless you tell a joke about Saaarrrraaahhhhh…..then all bets are off!”
Another unattractive, unintelligent, unsuccessful, dependent woman JEALOUS of Sarah Palin
ooooohhhhhh, the HATE is boiling inside of you!
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
2:22 pm
Adam, agreed.
It is my fervent hope is that BHO, in his second term, lives up to some of his so far, unfilled potential, as a man who took on the failed status quo in a major way.
And yes, given the debacle that is the modern day GOP presidential candidate, I’d say the odds are *very* much in favor of him staying at 1600.
It is funny, because the older I get, I also get younger. In that I mean, I become more impatient and less willing to buy into the BS. Where are the men of great moral courage making valiant efforts to tackle the myriad of problems in this greatest of nations, that these little men will not.
And this tinkering around the edges of these great issues does not impress me.
We deserve better, and somebody needs to help us take back OUR power and our sacred sovereignty from Wall Street and Beijing…
DebbieDoRight
May 19th, 2011
2:23 pm
Another unattractive, unintelligent, unsuccessful, dependent woman JEALOUS of Sarah Palin
Your sister joined the blog forum? Wicked!
Jay
May 19th, 2011
2:24 pm
But let me finish my AJC column for tomorrow and we’ll tackle this more directly.
USMC
May 19th, 2011
2:25 pm
Obama is the new ARAFAT…
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=221383
Jay
May 19th, 2011
2:26 pm
I like Israel too, jm. I like it very much. And its present course is longterm suicide, as even many Israelis understand.
Friends don’t stand back in silence and let friends commit suicide.
DebbieDoRight
May 19th, 2011
2:27 pm
AmVet: We deserve better, and somebody needs to help us take back OUR power and our sacred sovereignty from Wall Street and Beijing…
I’m hoping by his second term that “Angry Black Man”, will come out to play.
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
2:27 pm
jm, ask yourself this question.
Why have American Jews voted OVERWHELMINGLY against Republicans for the past eight decades?
md
May 19th, 2011
2:28 pm
“aaaaaand this half and half talk towards the end there is just stupid. Are you calling him a mudblood? Are we back in grade school now?”
And what prey tell are you yammering about now?
I think you may want to go back and read if you are trying to attribute this to me………may help you look not quite as silly…………..
jm
May 19th, 2011
2:29 pm
This speech was non-news. Nothing is going to happen…. especially not right now with an Egypt and Syria in complete turmoil. Obama is delusional.
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
2:29 pm
“Is Israel going to give the Palestinians the right to vote? Own and buy property? Etc.? The answer is no, because Israel would soon cease to be a Jewish state. The implication is an Israel that operates as an apartheid state.”
But isn’t that Israel’s choice to make, Jay? When are their borders no longer sovereign?
stands for decibels
May 19th, 2011
2:29 pm
When we took Texas, everyone in Texas became US citizens with the right to vote, Dave R.
as opposed to keeping those residents in limbo for 40+ years…
I’m not unsympathetic to the notion that “to the victor go the spoils” and all that, but sooner or later Israel has to s–t or get off the pot with regards to, you know, the actual inhabitants of the occupied territories.
Message from Matti
May 19th, 2011
2:30 pm
AmVet: “We deserve better, and somebody needs to help us take back OUR power and our sacred sovereignty from Wall Street and Beijing…”
So, how do you like our chances?
jm
May 19th, 2011
2:31 pm
AmVet – I don’t disagree regarding the tilt (though I’d like to see a poll). But I’ve got plenty of Republican Jewish friends, so I don’t know that I’d say “overwhelmingly”. But the obvious issue is historic civil rights progress.
But eventually people vote for their wallet, at which point Republicans will win.
Mick
May 19th, 2011
2:31 pm
usmc
Jeez, what happened with you? Did obama steal your seat at columbia? Or did he push you out of your plush community organizing job in chicago? What’s up with all the daggers? He is ok, not bad, not great and there is not one repub right now who could be doing any better, not with all the complex problems confronting us. Give the president a break, do you really believe mccain/palin would have been better?
BADA BING
May 19th, 2011
2:31 pm
AJC headline, online right now, about the woman who shot her would-be rapist .”Woman: I shot him as many times as I could”. Best headline EVER.
DebbieDoRight
May 19th, 2011
2:32 pm
Swarming Miami Heat defense puts the wraps on Derrick Rose
After dominating Game 1, Derrick Rose struggled against a Heat defense intent on making sure he didn’t steal the show again.
Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/19/2223735/swarming-miami-heat-defense-puts.html#ixzz1MpBimQSk
stands for decibels
May 19th, 2011
2:34 pm
AmVet – I don’t disagree regarding the tilt (though I’d like to see a poll).
here’s a list of exit polling results, you can decide for yourself if the sampling is accurate…
http://www.njdc.org/site/page/jewish_vote_for_obama_exceeds_all_expectations
it’s in line with other stuff I’d seen, though.
md
May 19th, 2011
2:35 pm
“Why have American Jews voted OVERWHELMINGLY against Republicans for the past eight decades?”
I’d like to hear your answer……..I’ve read some accounts from jews themselves that relate it to Christianity inside the r party………
Billy D
May 19th, 2011
2:37 pm
Cornel West has done what any honest observer has done-He has pointed out the facts and Obama comes up lacking. I agree with Brother West that Obama has allied himself with the interests of his campaign donors and not with the interests of their victims-the working class. Case in point nothing has been or will be done to allieviate the foreclosure crisis that disproportionately affects communities of color. There has been no meaningful jobs initiative to stem the tide of unemployment of young black males which stands at 60% in some communities.
Yet when Cornel West correctly points out that Obama was raised within the confines of a mid western white family, he is being labelled as racist and out of touch. The messenger may not be perfect but the message is on point.
getalife
May 19th, 2011
2:37 pm
Stay the course.
Tundra Dude
May 19th, 2011
2:37 pm
JB wrote:
Isreael returning to its 1967 borders has been a central part of US foreign policy since, well, 1967.
Owww…. say it ain’t so…changing presidents doesn’t change foreign policy….??
The Impotence of Elections
By paul craig roberts (Ronaldo’s Ass’t Treasury Sec)
Elections mean nothing, as both parties are dependent on the same powerful interest groups for campaign funds. The most powerful interest groups are the military/security complex, which includes the Pentagon, the CIA, and the corporations that service them, the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee, the oil industry that is destroying the Gulf of Mexico, Wall Street (investment banks and hedge funds), the insurance companies, the pharmaceutical companies, and the agri-companies that produce food of questionable content.
These corporate powers comprise an oligarchy that cannot be dislodged by voting.
jm
May 19th, 2011
2:38 pm
sfd 2:34 – if you have a 2010 exit poll, that would be handy…. (solely as a tool for relative perspective)
nevermind, found the answer to my own question-
Of particular interest in this election was some exit polling regarding the Jewish vote. On its face, the Jewish vote did not shift as strongly to the right as many Republicans had hoped, despite President Obama’s willingness and indeed comfort in openly challenging Israel in multiple forums. According to exit polling taken by various Jewish organizations, Jewish voters chose the Republican Party at a rate of approximately 30%, which is modestly higher than average.
Shari Louise
May 19th, 2011
2:39 pm
I grew up in South Central LA, Watts. I knew this guy wasn’t Black. I only voted for him because Reve. Al suggested it. I’m glad to hear this comment. Now all we have to do is hog tie Whoopi Goldberg, who is so Black, she took up a Jewish name so she could get a career. She won’t even use her real name. Talk about trying to be white.
My husband was a community organizer for the same organization Obama worked for, up in Sacramento. That was just a front for the mob. They took the money, and it went straight to a slush fund. Obviously nothing changed in Chicago. Eerybody is just as poor.
AND SURPRISE – I’M WHITE. I GREW UP IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY. IF I CAN TELL, THAT’S PRETTY BAD. I WAS IN A CIRCLE K IN LAS VEGAS LAST MONTH, AND A BLACK PANTHER GUY STARTED RANTING TO ME, ABOUT WHAT A JERK OBAMA WAS — I TOLD HIM, YOU’RE NOT GETTING ANY ARGUMENTS FROM ME. I COULD HAVE TOLD YOU HE WAS WHITE.
getalife
May 19th, 2011
2:40 pm
“These corporate powers comprise an oligarchy that cannot be dislodged by voting.”
The game is rigged and corrupt.
What do you propose?
md
May 19th, 2011
2:40 pm
And here Adam, I’ll repost my quote in context:
“The right, on the other hand, seems to embrace every extreme statement that comes from their side.”
“Wasn’t it just this week that Newt was blasted for his social engineering comment??”
Pretty straight forward response to a statement if you ask me………………
willie lynch
May 19th, 2011
2:41 pm
I hope Obama’s not the new Arafat our the Israeli’s will kill him too.
How is it that so many support all the uprisings in the MIddle East and Africa but when the people being mistreated by Israel stand up they are called terrorist. One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
2:41 pm
Of Men and MiceTraps & liberalefty:
LOL ……… at you !
jm
May 19th, 2011
2:41 pm
More important than Obama’s speech by far: CDC is providing Zombie warnings and alerts.
Ready for a zombie apocalypse? CDC has advice
http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/05/19/zombie.warning/index.html?hpt=Sbin
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
2:41 pm
Headline: “Obama tells Israel to resume 1967 borders”
Hummmmmm …………….. I wonder what El Jeffe would say if Chief Thunderthud told us to resume our 1607 borders ?
getalife
May 19th, 2011
2:42 pm
They are going to try to get Tunisia and Egypt for the global economy, new world order if you will.
More cheap labor.
jm
May 19th, 2011
2:43 pm
Scout – did you see the Secret Service tweet?
buck@gon
May 19th, 2011
2:43 pm
“Thomas, it’s perfectly legitimate to bring up food stamps usage. That’s not what Gingrich did, though, is it? He used it as a label, as if it somehow defined Obama.”
Jay,
What nonsense! You what you are making is called a “distinction without a difference”, or one might say, “sophistry”. What Thomas said echoes more loudly still, especially with such an inadequate answer from you. This is how the press treats Obama. Whatever he says is a final answer not open to questions.
So, if we take you seriously (always a risky prospect), we might assume criticism of Obama is legitimate ONLY if we give no indication of LABELING him? This is the trap John McCain fell for when he decided to always treat Obama with kid gloves for fear of himself being LABELED by jerks like YOU, JAY BOOKMAN. How often is it that conservatives start from minus 10 in the polls because we have to overcome ubiquitous labeling because we have let liberals define us?
I think your dippety boss, Cynthia Tucker needs to have a talk with you about labels and how they are perfectly OK to use. I saw “cowboy antics” on one of her two blogs this month, for starters.
jm
May 19th, 2011
2:44 pm
Scout – see link
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0511/mistweet_6e5bc846-6dd2-4afd-9d35-e0d9138547f9.html
getalife
May 19th, 2011
2:44 pm
How ya feeling Scout?
Tee
May 19th, 2011
2:44 pm
I can think for myself thank you…..
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
2:45 pm
jm:
No. I’ve been gone since 2002 but what did the “tweet” say ?
P.S. When I started we used “teletypes” …………….
)
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
2:46 pm
so I don’t know that I’d say “overwhelmingly”.
Then you would, my friend, be incorrect.
And here’s your proof:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jewvote.html
“But eventually people vote for their wallet, at which point Republicans will win.”
Interesting. I guess, like the blacks and other minorities they just can’t see the “truth” regarding GOP wisdom, huh?
“So, how do you like our chances?”
Matti, I don’t. UNLESS we start taking chances, empowering ourselves in a vibrant democracy (once again) and quit settling for the evil of the two lessers.
90% of us think America is in decline.
75% (AND GROWING) think corporations have too much control over our government and our lives.
66% (AND GROWING) think the two major political parties are failing us.
“Freedom is participation in power.” ~Marcus Cicero
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
2:47 pm
getalife :
Super ………… can’t you tell …………..
Seriously, thanks for asking.
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
2:47 pm
“The game is rigged and corrupt.
What do you propose?”
Keeping stupid people from voting would be a good start.
But then what would liberals do on Election Day with all that time off?
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
2:48 pm
jm:
Ha ! I know Ed from way back. A good guy in a tough position.
getalife
May 19th, 2011
2:50 pm
“90% of us think America is in decline.
75% (AND GROWING) think corporations have too much control over our government and our lives.
66% (AND GROWING) think the two major political parties are failing us.”
We are getting closer to change.
Not there yet.
SaveOurRepublic
May 19th, 2011
2:52 pm
I’m not a “fan” of West or BHO, but West had it somewhat correct…the current POTUS (like most all since JFK) is a puppet…but for the Globalist Elite. Of course, the Elite compromise many “arms”…the Central Banking Cartel (who’s largely arm & arm with Wall $treet) who JFK stood against, the military-industrial complex (whom Eisenhower warned of) & the “Sheepletainment” industry. Whether referred to as the “shadow government”, “NWO” or whatever…they are the true shot-callers (dynasty families such as the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, etc.).
jm
May 19th, 2011
2:52 pm
oh boy. headline.
Knesset member: Obama is the new Arafat…
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
2:53 pm
Headline: “OBAMA SIDES WITH PALESTINIANS”
What do you expect from a “Muslim” president?
Note: Muslim is in quotes meaning I don’t know if he is one or not but he sure identifies with them as opposed to being 100% American. Our first “foreign” president and that has nothing to do with birth location.
jm
May 19th, 2011
2:53 pm
Jay – take note. Obama pulled a “FOX 5 Deal” on the Boston Herald.
“Former Bay State Gov. Mitt Romney fired back at President Obama for barring the Herald from full access to the presidential visit to Boston yesterday, saying the commander-in-chief’s “retribution” against the media has no place in the White House.
“The media has a responsibility to be truthful and to be interesting, and the Herald is both of those things,” Romney said last night. “The president barring the Herald from attending a presidential event flies in the face of the spirit of the First Amendment.””
getalife
May 19th, 2011
2:54 pm
Good news Scout.
getalife
May 19th, 2011
2:54 pm
I agree with that Secret Service agent’s tweet on fox.
Nothing but gop propaganda blather.
I can’t watch it too.
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
2:58 pm
“Romney said last night. “The president barring the Herald from attending a presidential event flies in the face of the spirit of the First Amendment.””
Like protest “zones”?
whocares
May 19th, 2011
2:59 pm
@ Joyce, Bill Cosby called out the black family, and they damn near disowned him. There are a lot of issues to address in society…but the black community in general. We have to start with ourselves first.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
May 19th, 2011
3:02 pm
African Americans #1 enemy = THEMSELVES
Libertarian
May 19th, 2011
3:02 pm
I wonder what his definition of the “most vulnerable” is?
His argument is basically saying that all poor people are black and all rich/upper middle class/investment bankers are white and/or jewish. He’s basically demeaning his own race.
andygrdzki
May 19th, 2011
3:03 pm
@G Cancryn
They sure went with a Weiner…….. I mean winner……
People say the Repubs are bought and paid for,,, think this shows Dems are bought and paid for… now we know why the Government supports unions…… The Dems are bought and paid for by the unions… not the Small Business guys….. Do you remember….
(AP) President Barack Obama on Friday issued an executive order backing the use of union labor for large-scale federal construction projects.
The order encourages federal agencies to have construction contractors and subcontractors enter project labor agreements. Those agreements require contractors to negotiate with union officials, recognize union wages and benefits and generally abide by collective-bargaining agreements.
Obama’s order restores a Clinton administration order that was revoked by President George W. Bush.
It is the fourth union-friendly executive order that Obama has signed since he’s been in office, and one of about a dozen orders put in place by Bush that labor leaders have urged Obama to repeal.
“Project labor agreements are a win-win for everyone involved,” said James Hoffa, president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters. “Contractors get highly trained, skilled labor with fixed costs, and workers are fairly compensated with their rights and safety protected.”
But the Associated Builders and Contractors, a trade group, said the order would unfairly steer federal construction contracts to unionized contractors despite the fact that 84 percent of U.S. construction workers do not belong to labor unions.
ABC president Kirk Pickerel said the effect would “drive up costs for American taxpayers” by reducing competitive bidding on projects.
Good for Unions, bad for the American Taxpayer…. so what else is new…. You talk about Cheney and Haliburton,,,,, These are all the construction unions… great payback
Bruno
May 19th, 2011
3:04 pm
AmVet–Rapture on Saturday. Time to get right with Jesus.
md
May 19th, 2011
3:07 pm
“Thousands of Spaniards defied a ban on a pre-election demonstration and mounted a protest camp in the heart of the Spanish capital to express anger at political parties and the country’s handling of the economic crisis.”
Yet another utopian socialist country feeling the rath of the masses…………so…..capitalism doesn’t work…..socialism doesn’t work………… and communism doesn’t work………….I’d sure like to hear what these folks think does work.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 19th, 2011
3:07 pm
Well, I wish people would make up their mind so I’ll know what to think. Here, we all call Obama a Socialist. Now along comes this guy calling Obama a tool of Wall Street and a slave to the white middle class.
Color me confused. Next thing I know, somebody will be telling me I’m pregnant.
Have a good p.m. everybody.
willie lynch
May 19th, 2011
3:09 pm
whocares
May 19th, 2011
2:59 pm
We need to be more careful in our statements. There were a few highly publicised quotes that spoke to disagreement with Bill Cosby but the “people on the street” were very supportive of him and his message.
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
3:09 pm
So, I hear Jesus is coming back this weekend…..everyone…..look busy.
Dusty
May 19th, 2011
3:10 pm
Could we have a clean sheet upstairs? A nice black & white striped one so everybody can argue.
jm
May 19th, 2011
3:10 pm
Bosch 3:09 –
bad for the blog business though…
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
3:11 pm
Woodstock Mike,
Out of curiosity, would you say you agree or disagree with this statement?
Keep loving your heritage and keep witnessing to others that there is a better way than a war torn, violent, wicked, socialist, new world order. That way is the Christian way – law and order – love of family – love of nation. These are the principles of western Christian civilization. There is a war to destroy these things. Pray that our people see the error of their ways and regain a sense of loyalty. Repent America! Be faithful my fellow believers.
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
3:12 pm
jm,
I’d say it’s bad for all business, maybe Jesus is a Socialist.
getalife
May 19th, 2011
3:12 pm
Jesus meeting the cons would be hilarious.
md
May 19th, 2011
3:13 pm
“So, I hear Jesus is coming back this weekend…..everyone…..look busy.”
I was always told he sees all………and now you want to deceive him?
Good luck with that……………….
whocares
May 19th, 2011
3:13 pm
Here is a food stamp user…I wonder if he is a Republican or Democrat…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_localdtw/20110518/ts_yblog_localdtw/2m-michigan-lottery-winner-defends-use-of-food-stamps
USMC
May 19th, 2011
3:14 pm
“Friends don’t stand back in silence and let friends commit suicide.”–Jay Bookman
We’ve been talking Jay in off of the LEDGE for some time now
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
3:14 pm
Bruno, I’m ready brother! No regrets, no recriminations. Just crank it up loud when the time comes!
SaveOurRepublic, great post.
NWO?
Check out the lyrics in this stunner of a song…
Let me tell you ’bout the new world order
Not the kind to make you run for the border
It’s a new religion wrapped in a revolution
With a proven solution for your mental pollution
Cars and gold bars and chains and diamond rings
These are the symbols, we want the real things
Peace in the soul and a natural insight
Things that please the mind and make the body feel right
Don’t let no one tell you that god ain’t got a sense of humor
Someone said he’s pissed off, but that was just a rumor
I know he’s laughin’ when the preacher starts to scream about
How trippin’ is evil, and sex is unclean
Nature wants your life to go on long and on strong
To have children and show them where you went wrong
So if your life style leads you into hell or into prison
Wake up and listen, this is what you’re missing
Free will, we can’t seem to get our fill
We are beggers, we are choosers drunk on a lack of power
I believe in understanding, I’ve got to know where we’re landing
I’m takin’ my survey now, hands up if you’re with me
Do you want different choices? Can’t hear the quiet voices
Got to dim all the lights, turn down the volume
Put on a little more forgiveness, who’s gonna be my witness?
If we must endure this trial, someone is bound to touch us
Do you want more sex, more comforting
A little more foreplay and afterglow, let my people go
Everybody wants peace on the earth, children sheltering
Calling every man, every woman
We’re gonna take control of our own bodies
Peace breaks out in the battle of the sexes
We start to learn what the other one expects is
We stay away from what the other one rejects is
And have respect for individual perspectives
We’re gonna break out of this cycle of dependency
And liberate each other from a hopeless life of drudgery
And face up to the truth as we dispel all of this secrecy
And simplify the situation when we learn to speak plainly
We’re gonna take control of the machinery
Bad little actors that chew up the scenery
Job number one is gonna be findin’ a way
That we can rave all night and meditate all day
Mankind’s strugglin’ hard to see the light
To hear the voice of the spirit in the night
To lay down his heavy burden and pick up his soul power
And build a heaven on earth hour by hour by hour
Child protection, more careful mate selection
Everyone wants to be wanted by a natural father and mother
Lookin’ for a sense of wonder, don’t let your faith go under
This is a beautiful world, if we could only give up fighting
The answer is surrender, every race, every gender
Beat our swords into plowshares on the anvil of a pure heart
We gotta have honest answers and the courage to take our chances
Opportunity’s knockin’ loud, give me your attention
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qruz4MO6lg&playnext=1&list=PL99B37883F04625FC
Adam
May 19th, 2011
3:14 pm
Sorry md, that last paragraph was lumped in at the end but it was not meant to be attributed to you. Failure of writing on my part
Adam
May 19th, 2011
3:14 pm
Re: Rapture… I’m waiting for The Onion to run a “Obama reveals himself as the Messiah and ascends to heaven alone because everyone is a sinner” story.
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
3:15 pm
getalife,
Yes, indeed it would.
md,
getalife
May 19th, 2011
3:15 pm
The new world order is the countries making the rules in a global economy.
China is winning.
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
3:16 pm
getalife,
“The new world order is the countries making the rules in a global economy.
China is winning”
I think it’s VISA.
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
3:17 pm
jm, LOL!
Maybe he’s a Hebe! The Head Hebe!
jm
May 19th, 2011
3:18 pm
Why would God schedule the Rapture on a Saturday?
Tundra Dude
May 19th, 2011
3:19 pm
getalife@2:40 wrote:
“These corporate powers comprise an oligarchy that cannot be dislodged by voting.”
The game is rigged and corrupt.
What do you propose?
Well, considering even the Supremes support the oligarchy, meaning they think it’s just peachy that our political class become corporate-indentured, I think we could “outbid” them with a genuine People’s Lobby.
Jay
May 19th, 2011
3:20 pm
Yes, Dave R, it would be Israel’s choice to become an apartheid nation.
It would then become our choice whether to continue to support an apartheid nation, as opposed to a fellow democracy with respect for basic human rights.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
May 19th, 2011
3:20 pm
@Bosch
Do I think that society is going away from strict religion in America? YES
Do I believe that law and order – love of family – love of nation are good for society? YES
Do I believe in GOD? YES
Wasn’t clear on what you were asking me…
getalife
May 19th, 2011
3:21 pm
Bosch,
Corps are doing well.
All that cheap labor is utopia for them.
getalife
May 19th, 2011
3:21 pm
“I think we could “outbid” them with a genuine People’s Lobby.”
I was thinking that same thing earlier today.
Scary.
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
3:22 pm
“Why would God schedule the Rapture on a Saturday?”
Reason it out: Jesus is God. Jesus is a Jew. The Jewish sabbath is Saturday. What better day to have a rapture?
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
3:22 pm
“What do you propose?”
What else will get their attention?
(And IMHO, still one of the most explosive, kick ass opening guitar riffs in all of recorded music…)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrkwgTBrW78
WOODSTOCK MIKE
May 19th, 2011
3:23 pm
@Jay
Are you implying that Israel doesn’t respect basic human rights? Israel is the only nation in the Middle East that has a clue, the rest are brainwashed by a violent and suppressive religion…
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
3:23 pm
Woodstock Mike,
I was asking if that particular statement resonates strongly with you — do you agree or disagree with it?
WOODSTOCK MIKE
May 19th, 2011
3:25 pm
@Bosch
I have no problem with the statement, besides America needing to repent, America is not one person
jm
May 19th, 2011
3:27 pm
Doggone 3:22 – fair point.
Maybe there was a coin toss….
jm
May 19th, 2011
3:28 pm
zeee israel thing is a smokescreen…. completely, utterly, absolutely irrelevant since nothing is going to get done.
@@
May 19th, 2011
3:28 pm
Cornel West yanks Obama’s credentials as a black man
So does that mean we can criticize his policies without being called racists?
schnirt
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
3:28 pm
“the rest are brainwashed by a violent and suppressive religion…”
Didn’t the Jews crucify Jesus? Oh well, he can take it up with them Saturday.
JohnnyReb
May 19th, 2011
3:28 pm
re, corporations have too much control over our lives. Not quite; no, the culprit is government. For example, for each gallon of gasoline pumped the oil company makes about 7 cents a gallon while the government takes almost 50 cents in taxes. But, the Dems call the CEO’s on the carpet. A big sideshow for the less informed.
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
3:29 pm
“Didn’t the Jews crucify Jesus”
Actually? NO, they didn’t. He was crucified by the Romans.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
May 19th, 2011
3:31 pm
@Bosch
What is your problem??
Dusty
May 19th, 2011
3:31 pm
Well, it is getting so religious here I want to invite everybody to church Sunday. If you want to be an expert on such matters, you better go where they know something about it. Just an invitation. Everybody is welcomed at church.
Biggus D-ckus
May 19th, 2011
3:31 pm
Doggone 3:29
The Womans are de gweatest of aw time.
jm
May 19th, 2011
3:32 pm
Dusty 3:31 – dude, you’ll be 24 hours late.
jm
May 19th, 2011
3:33 pm
Election 2012
Democrats Scale Back 2012 Map
A Democratic official familiar with the still-forming re-election campaign told Roll Call that the focus will be on holding the 2008 pickups of Colorado, Virginia and North Carolina, winning over Latino voters in the West and flooding the traditional swing states of Ohio and Florida with resources. The Democrats feel good about winning New Mexico and Nevada, especially given the population growth among Hispanics.
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/56_125/Democrats-Scale-Back-2012-Map-Obama-Battleground-205766-1.html?pos=hftxt
lots of stuff in here you socialists will enjoy reading
WOODSTOCK MIKE
May 19th, 2011
3:33 pm
@Bosch
Have you made a point yet, I am waiting for something???
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
3:33 pm
Woodstock Mike,
I don’t have a problem, I was just wondering if you agree or disagreed with that statment.
Dusty
May 19th, 2011
3:34 pm
jm, I don’t think I’ll be too late. If I am, I’m still not worried.
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
3:34 pm
Don’t ruin my fun Doggone!
Paul
May 19th, 2011
3:35 pm
Woodstock Mike
“@Bosch
What is your problem??”
Please don’t ask that. Bosch might feel compelled to answer, and I have it on very good authority the AJC’s server doesn’t have nearly the capacity to hold all the answers he’ll give you. That means he’ll crash the server and the blog will go down.
And that will not do, ’cause if there’s anyone around here who shuts down this blog, it’s me.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
3:35 pm
Aren’t you gonna be raptured Dusty? Will there be anybody in church Sunday?
stands for decibels
May 19th, 2011
3:35 pm
What have the Romans ever done for us?
stands for decibels
May 19th, 2011
3:36 pm
Have you made a point yet, I am waiting for something?
woody, I’ll just say this, about that quote? google is your friend.
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
3:37 pm
“Doggone 3:22 – fair point. Maybe there was a coin toss”
OTOH – there are strict rules in some forms of Judaism about doing work on the Sabbath. Would having a rapture day be considered “work”?
Dusty
May 19th, 2011
3:37 pm
Bsoch 3:35
See my 3:34 wherever it is.
BADA BING
May 19th, 2011
3:37 pm
Well, if you think that anyone would boycott Israel like they did Sun City and South Africa because of their policies, don’t count on the NY or Hollywood liberals, because they are all Jews. HAHA.
Biggus D-ckus
May 19th, 2011
3:38 pm
sfd – well, there are the aqueducts, sanitation, roads, irrigation, medicine, education, wine, public baths, security and peace. But other than those, they’ve done nothing!
Paul
May 19th, 2011
3:38 pm
sfd
“What have the Romans ever done for us?”
AmVet answered that just the other day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso
Bruno
May 19th, 2011
3:38 pm
Well, it is getting so religious here I want to invite everybody to church Sunday. If you want to be an expert on such matters, you better go where they know something about it.
Then why would I attend church on Sunday?? The Sabbath is Saturday.
You might need to reread the Good Book a few more times, Dusty.
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
3:39 pm
Reb, that’s fine. You can continue to be part of the 20% or so in denial. But the facts are overwhelmingly arrayed against you.
stands, gotta love the Python!
And Bosch, regarding that quote, you are a very, very bad boy!
” I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country. ” ~Thomas Jefferson,
Dusty
May 19th, 2011
3:40 pm
Bsoch or Bosch whatever….
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 19th, 2011
3:41 pm
Well, me and mine are throwing a big shindig tomorrow night. I ain’t paying any bills that are due after Saturday, so there’ll be plenty of money. No point in throwing away good money when the Rapture’s going to take all our earthly troubles away. Let the Sinners pay. Us real Christians plan to wave bye-bye to them on our way up. We might could be a little hung over, but what the heck.
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
3:41 pm
Paul,
Hehehehheehe……heeehee…..he has NO idea, right?
Julius Childs
May 19th, 2011
3:42 pm
well, there are the aqueducts, sanitation, roads, irrigation, medicine, education, wine, public baths, security and peace. But other than those, they’ve done nothing!
They also had lead pipes. Crazy huh.
Paul
May 19th, 2011
3:43 pm
Bosch
Nope. And I’ve no USinUK to share popcorn with…. sigh…..
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
3:43 pm
AmVet,
Twas just wondering — apparently some members of that club were out recruiting and were gracious enough to hand me some printed material. I was curious so I browsed their website and it was amazing to me the kinds of thing this particular club is promoting — their particular goals and mission statments and all — it’s the kind of thing I read here daily from some particular posters.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
May 19th, 2011
3:44 pm
@Bosch
So let me get this straight, you think that if someone agrees with that quote, they agree with what the KKK stands for, let me blunt….. YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!
Jack P
May 19th, 2011
3:44 pm
You forgot to include in your article, Dr. West, that you are the nation’s premier race baiter.
Biggus D-ckus
May 19th, 2011
3:45 pm
What have the Republicans ever done for us?
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
3:45 pm
Paul,
I’ll share my popcorn, want some? With cheese?
Paul
May 19th, 2011
3:45 pm
Bosch
Giada made you popcorn?!!?
Where’s the fainting couch?
Southern Comfort
May 19th, 2011
3:45 pm
willie lynch
May 19th, 2011
12:55 pm
In thinking that President Obama could usher in some grand Black agenda is foolish and many Black people entertained those thoughts once he took office. The funny thing is many whites thought the same way.
Yeah, I’m sure you polled thousands upon thousands of Blacks to come to that conclusion.
If you want to know honestly what Blacks were thinking, many of US were thinking that finally a man would be judged by something other than the melanin content of his skin. In reality, it seems like nothing about Obama can be discussed without eventually his race becoming part of the issue. Furthermore, many of us prayed that, once inaugurated, he simply made it the full 4 years of his term without being assassinated.
Black agenda……..
*where do people get such bullshiiite………
Top 100 contributors in the 2008 election….. I wonder who got the most…….. who is in whose pocket…. Now you know why the Dems are pushing so hard for their Groups…… for the good of the American people… no, just a few of the American people.
2008? How many of those groups overwhelmingly contributed to the Democratic Party in 2010, which was the most recent election? People with money use the money to buy off whomever is in power. It’s not about Democrat/GOP or Liberal/Conservative for them. It’s only about maintaining control over the direction of the government for their benefit.
DDR: I’m hoping by his second term that “Angry Black Man”, will come out to play.
He has to get that term first. Unfortunately, I don’t think he has an ABM in him. He may have to hire somebody for that position. If he does have an ABM inside, he’s a hell of a lot better in controlling it than any other brotha I know. After all that’s been said and such, everybody I know, me included, would have pulled a serious ABM press conference by now.
African Americans #1 enemy = THEMSELVES
I’ve heard Charlize Theron called many things, but I don’t think she’s an enemy of herself…
Bosch
That 3:11 is pretty sweet…… You’re my hero.
captguitarman
May 19th, 2011
3:46 pm
I liked your article, Jay. Believe me, Barck Obama has nothing to fear from anything Cornel West, a pretender of the highest order, may say, write, or do. In fact, you could almost make Cornel West a symbol (not the only cause, but a symbol) of everything that is wrong in academia today. Back in the nineties, Lawrence Summers (former Obama advisor) was the Prez of Harvard University, and Cornel West was a highly-tenured and celebrated professor of Liberal Progressive Socialistic Politically Correct Studies — or something like that — at Harvard (a pass-fail course based on no work, no text book, and no hassles, but having the correct poltical ideology and the ability to engage the prof and to sound brilliantly well read and informed while BS-ing in class for a whole semester – a characteristic of all such courses). Before he was brought up on charges by the Harvard thought and speech police — and excommunicated by the Harvard Diocese of the Holy Mother of the Politically Correct — for daring to suggest that it is that men and women may have different hard-wiring that allows them to be more successful in some areas of endeavor than the oppositie sex — Summers had the unmitigated audacity to question the lack and quality of research (if any), the quality of scholarship, and the almost non-existent work-ethic of the aforesaid, highly-tenured, and clebrated Professor West. Why? Because all you have to do is listen to West (often trotted out on TV and news shows as the brilliant, intellectual African-American college professor with lots of brilliant stuff to say about political and social issues that no one else ever even thought of. But, there is a reason for that. No legitimate brilliant tenured Havard/Princeton college professor (regardless of race), or professor from any other school, would be able to think up such completely goofy, unfounded, off the wall, and illogical and nonsensical clap trap and then palm it off as some brilliant and insightful intellectual observation of the current political and social scene. If you think I am picking on this guy, just watch him on TV for about 5 minutes – that will be about all you can stand anyway. The celebrated professor was highly insulted by President Summers for his “way too close to home” observations, and cut a deal with the Princeton Diocese of the Holy Mother of Political Correctness and Affirmative Action, and took is celebrity professor self and headed for much greener pastures before anyone got the notion to see if Summers’ observations were correct – not poltically correct, just correct. Not long after, the Politically Correct Inquisition burned Summers at the stake at Harvard, and he went to work for Obama. It’s a big old goofy world out there — just ask Professor West.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
May 19th, 2011
3:46 pm
Bosch thinks if you are a Christian you are in the KKK. How does that work?? 95% of African Americans are Christians??
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
3:47 pm
Not necessarily Woodstock Mike, I was simply curious — I actually browsed their website and I was surprised at their particular goals now in the modern era — it is the kind of things I read here alot. I was just asking.
You might want to do some internal reflecting though.
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
3:48 pm
“Bosch thinks if you are a Christian you are in the KKK.”
Now, now, Woodstock Mike, don’t go putting words in my mouth. Jesus wouldn’t like that, and he’ll be here Saturday to punish you for writing such things.
stands for decibels
May 19th, 2011
3:49 pm
Woody, you’re a hoot. Give you that.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
May 19th, 2011
3:50 pm
@Bosch
I am fine Bosch, thank you. And can you happen to answer something for me, are you a Christian?
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
3:50 pm
SoCo,
You should check out their website — read through the goals section — they look eerily familiar.
Dusty
May 19th, 2011
3:51 pm
Bruno, 3:38
Our church meets on Sunday but we believe every day. Perhaps you would like to meet with the Seventh Day Adventists or a synagogue if you like.
———————-
Paul,
I know what Bosch is made of : Frogs & snails and puppy dog tails! Lotsa puppy dog tails…still wagging……
Kamchak
May 19th, 2011
3:51 pm
Tick…tick…tick….
Julius Childs
May 19th, 2011
3:51 pm
What have the Republicans ever done for us?
They gave us the Rapture and if we gotta go, I’m goin’ in style.
Paul
May 19th, 2011
3:51 pm
Bosch
“You might want to do some internal reflecting though.”
Is that a nice way of telling someone they have their head up their…..?
I think you just stole my crown of subtlety.
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
3:51 pm
Paul,
“Where’s the fainting couch?”
Giada and I are on it…..
WOODSTOCK MIKE
May 19th, 2011
3:52 pm
@stands for decibels
My point was if someone agreed with that quote it is light years away from being a racist… That was all. Bosch is a joke.
Southern Comfort
May 19th, 2011
3:52 pm
Bosch
B & C
Paul
May 19th, 2011
3:54 pm
Bosch
“Giada and I are on it…..”
Congrats. I’m speechless.
Just out of curiosity, how did you get her drunk?
Julius Childs
May 19th, 2011
3:54 pm
“how did you get her drunk?”
One glass at a time.
WellWe'reMovinOnUp
May 19th, 2011
3:55 pm
If Barack Obama was the kind of black man that Mr. West longs for he’d never have been elected President. Americans want a leader who can reach across the divide, not some radical race baiter who tries to incite class warfare.
The leader West envisions is already the president. Of Zimbabwe.
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
3:55 pm
“My point was if someone agreed with that quote it is light years away from being a racist”
Woodstock Mike, did you stretch before making that leap for me? I did not say you were a racist if you agreed with that statement, I simply asked if you agreed or disagreed with it. But I will now add since you know where it’s from, you might want to reflect upon your opinions considering you do resonate with their sentiments and considering the history of this club and their own opinions, it might do you some good to reflect upon what you feel. Just saying.
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
3:56 pm
“how did you get her drunk?”
Paul,
With my natural wit and aura…..
Paul
May 19th, 2011
3:56 pm
Woodstock Mike
I think Bosch may avoid your “are you Christian’? question.
He’s kinda a Episcopalopian Pagan Reformed Enlightenment guy.
http://tinyurl.com/3tkgws6
Oh, and he reads auras, too.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
May 19th, 2011
3:57 pm
@Bosch
Someone like yourself is a divider, you do nothing but push people farther and farther apart, in other words, you are part of the problem and not the solution… That is the worst position someone could be in…
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
3:58 pm
The caption?
We’ll take two of whatever you’re selling.
http://thedailyeater.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/giada1.jpg
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
3:59 pm
Yes SoCo, I was particularly struck with their views on colleges and universities — I mean, if I had a dollar for everytime that almost verbatim line was posted here, I’d be lying on a beach in the Caribbean somewhere.
Apparently I was fortunate enough to be reached by their agressive literature and PR campaign.
The Republicans
May 19th, 2011
3:59 pm
Well, we provide lower taxes, smaller government (where legal, currently banned in DC), less regulation, freedom, the interstate highway system, and all those things you use every day of your life.
Midori
May 19th, 2011
4:00 pm
Hi Paul —
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
4:00 pm
It appears I have struck a nerve with you Woodstock Mike, and I apologize. But just know there is a club you can join, they are accepting new members and you can be among friends of like minded individuals who are trying to heal the nation. Good luck.
Paul
May 19th, 2011
4:01 pm
AmVet
Recorded her show the other day. Did you know she cooks? Really. She has a little kid. Not too many years from now, all the kid’s friends are gonna be like “Is your mom home? Can we go over to your place and hang out?”
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
4:03 pm
Whoo-whee! Too bad I don’t have time to go through all the comments. But what does anyone think the likes of Cornel West would think and say?
And, he Fatwah Albert, there’s one of your MAJOR historians at work!
Question…
How did the Jews and Israel come into the discussion?
And my own comment, I said it way back when, just wait until President Obama IS President of the United States of America,,,a lot of folks are going to be greatly disappointed and the attack from the left is going to make the righties look like charming and tolerant folks…well, here it is…
Quite frankly, i’m glad Cornel is disappointed…it just goes to add to what I’ve been saying of late in my mid term assessment of our President…he’s moved toward the center and he has stayed above the race-baiters of both sides and has, indeed, been post racial. He gets points from me in that.
@@
May 19th, 2011
4:03 pm
Mrs. Godzilla:
Obama? A great community organizer?
Grim proving ground for Obama’s housing policy
The candidate endorsed subsidies for private entrepreneurs to build low-income units. But, while he garnered support from developers, many projects in his former district have fallen into disrepair.
Yours is a vivid imagination. The residents of Grove Park know better.
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
4:04 pm
Paul, here’s another display (albeit a humorous one) of some serious assets…
http://thedailyeater.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/giada-enthusiasm1.jpg
Paul
May 19th, 2011
4:04 pm
Hi Midori!!!!
How’d the seafood soup turn out?
Did you know AmVet cooks? He said it was a ‘roast.’ But what he was roasting, he wouldn’t say.
I think it was some hapless Wall Streeter.
Midori
May 19th, 2011
4:04 pm
Hi Bosch
looks like you’ve got someone all flustered
Southern Comfort
May 19th, 2011
4:04 pm
Bosch
You think they would send me a copy of the law enforcement book?
Dusty
May 19th, 2011
4:05 pm
I’d aura have a new sheet but if you insist, here’s big news.
BRAVES PLAY ARIZONA TONIGHT AT 9:40. Get ready! The big team is big news!
Barner B. Jones
May 19th, 2011
4:06 pm
Dorkmans right for once, I have expected a huge increase in my food stamps and welfare check by now. I sure dont plan on working my butt off if I dont have too!!!!!!!!!!
Don't Forget
May 19th, 2011
4:06 pm
jm
May 19th, 2011
3:18 pm
Why would God schedule the Rapture on a Saturday?
He’s off on Sunday.
Paul
May 19th, 2011
4:07 pm
AmVet
LOLOLOL!!!!
I admit it… I’ve thought the same thing.
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
4:08 pm
Paul, I’m no Giada, but it turned out great!
Lots of potatoes (hat tip Dan Quayle), carrots, onions and celery.
Yumbo in the tumbo.
This one reminds me a bit of Ann Margaret in Tommy.
http://michaelscomments.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/giada-delaurentiis-3-08073.jpg
And as I have a friend named April that I met with this morning, this song popped into my noggin…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JA1XAmzbnw
Paul
May 19th, 2011
4:09 pm
Dusty
Good luck. And the Mavericks are about to hand OKC their second loss.
After smoking Los Angeles four straight! Yea!
In a Giada Da Vida
May 19th, 2011
4:10 pm
Iron Butterflies are heavy man. I got a bad case of the munchies too.
md
May 19th, 2011
4:13 pm
Shot Am…….go big…..and eat your heart out………..
http://www.google.com/search?q=giada&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=ikp&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=ivnse&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=u3jVTcrNC8z2gAfX1sGrBw&ved=0CE8QsAQ&biw=1280&bih=611
Paul
May 19th, 2011
4:14 pm
AmVet
Nice. Perfect time for a blog chill pill.
md
May 19th, 2011
4:14 pm
Didn’t mean to shoot you………but did mean to add an o
itpdude
May 19th, 2011
4:16 pm
Eh, I disagree with Bookman for complex reasons so will leave it at this: Bookman gets a LOT more comments than Wingnutfield. And that makes me happy.
Midori
May 19th, 2011
4:16 pm
it came out super, Paul
AmVet a roast?
Dusty
May 19th, 2011
4:17 pm
Paul
]
Arizona is one of my favorite states. Just love it from one end to the other. Spent so many summers there. But I cannot forsake the BRAVES. Not the Braves. no no no…they too are dear to my heart!
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
4:18 pm
Damn, md! Thanks, man.
(I’ll be back in about 10 minutes.)
Paul
May 19th, 2011
4:18 pm
Midori
What did you do for the broth?
lynnie gal
May 19th, 2011
4:18 pm
While there is a certain degree of bitterness in Dr. West’s accusations, what he mainly complains about he is correct about. We as a civilized society need to collectively aid those who are less fortunate and in need of help. Cutting heating assistance to the poor and then giving millionaires tax breaks is ethically wrong, no matter how you look at it. Extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and then cutting teachers, firemen, librarians and policemen who make our society a better and safer place to live is ethically wrong. Obama is siding with wealthy interests by omission when he refuses to engage in the collective fight for these people. I
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
4:22 pm
This one cracks me up…
http://foodnetworkhumor.com/wp-content/uploads//giada-rigatoni.jpg
Southern Comfort
May 19th, 2011
4:22 pm
josef
Shout out at St. Elsewhere!!!!
Midori
May 19th, 2011
4:22 pm
Paul,
I went to the korean grocery store and bought spanish soup base. The asian bases have entirely too much sodium.
Strauss-Kahn
May 19th, 2011
4:22 pm
Liberation!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110519/ap_on_re_us/imf_leader_assault
Strauss-Kahn
May 19th, 2011
4:23 pm
Au Revoir, Rikers Ile.
No dose
May 19th, 2011
4:27 pm
I had to read Cornell West in college and he and his writings along with Obama make me sick to my stomach. Both are black radicals, both believe in taking other people’s property and giving it to others just because and both belong in academia and not running the country. West is a black bigot, read any of his writings. I compare him to the black KKK.
Strauss-Kahn
May 19th, 2011
4:28 pm
Peter Fonda calls Obama ‘traitor’ at Cannes…
Je ne sais pas.
Paul
May 19th, 2011
4:29 pm
Midori
Smart and resourceful, as usual.
Y’know, when I read AmVet’s 4:18, I thought of Jake in Two and a Half Men talking to one of Charlie’s dates and saying “’scuse me, I gotta go take a shower…”
Dusty
May 19th, 2011
4:31 pm
OOOOwwwwww there they go again @ 4:18: Bush tax cuts for the wealthy! NO it was tax cuts for all of us ’cause we don’t want to send beaucoup money to Washington where they don’t know a deficit from a hole in the ground. The wealthy paid more taxes than the rest of us so get over trying to rip off more of their money… They made it! You did not make their money so don’t tell them what to do with it. .
Strauss-Kahn
May 19th, 2011
4:31 pm
no kidding. crazy.
http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/offbeat/135-year-old-piece-of-skin-triggers-smallpox-scare-at-virginia-museum-ncxdc-051911
No dose
May 19th, 2011
4:34 pm
lynnie gal you post is democratic propaganda. Obama’s stimulus did nothing for the economy but for government workers. Every government program like heating assistance are full of waste, fraud and abuse. Channel 5 did a report on EBT or some type of care to assist people and they bought liquor not food for their kids. Tax-cuts some of them I don’t agree with them but you CAN”T HELP EVERYBODY ITS NOT POSSIBLE AND UNTIL WE IN THIS COUNTRY UNDERSTAND THAT WE WILL GO BROKE BECAUSE THE WAR ON POVERTY HAS FAILED. What is better to give a person a fish or teach them to fish?
Bosch
May 19th, 2011
4:36 pm
Maybe so, SoCo — but you’d probably have to do it by mail order….
……….off to plant some….things…..
Later folks!!!
md
May 19th, 2011
4:37 pm
“We as a civilized society need to collectively aid those who are less fortunate and in need of help.”
Yes, we do…….but we need to somehow make a distinction between those that can’t and those that won’t……….we are are helping the former and enabling the later…………..
There are selfish on both ends of the spectrum, some of the rich and some of the poor……tax increases will not solve that problem………….
md
May 19th, 2011
4:39 pm
“……….off to plant some….things…..”
Be sure to do it out of sight of the helicopters………
Dusty
May 19th, 2011
4:41 pm
Well, PAUL, wish I had a man around the house who could cook. None of mine have advanced beyond opening a can of soup. You’d starve to death here. Just call it plain cooking. Or “complain”. Whatever…
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
4:42 pm
SoCo
Gotcha!
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
4:42 pm
“but we need to somehow make a distinction between those that can’t and those that won’t”
and how would you suggest we “deal” with those who won’t? Keeping in mind that there have ALWAYS been cheats, and that their always WILL be cheats.
md
May 19th, 2011
4:44 pm
“and how would you suggest we “deal” with those who won’t?”
I’d give them the conditions for assistance, and if they refuse……wish them luck.
Dusty
May 19th, 2011
4:44 pm
md @ 4:37
You got that right…
Granny Godzilla
May 19th, 2011
4:47 pm
To whom it may concern
There’s a great piece written in response to the Boston Herald article
by the Grove Parc tenants assosciation, worth a read.
It’s been available all along….
Paul
May 19th, 2011
4:48 pm
Dusty
One of my sons is an excellent chef. Very creative. Part owner in three restaurants. Another son, his wife asked him how come he never learned to cook. He grinned and said “Never had to.”
He did make her a birthday cake. Only problem is, some recipes are incomplete in the directions department, so if you follow them exactly…. well, his wife’s a sweetheart and appreciated the gesture.
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
4:53 pm
Paul,
There’s always THIS cake recipe:
> 1 cup sugar
> 1 tsp. baking powder
> 1 cup water
> 1 tsp. salt
> 1 cup brown sugar
> Lemon juice
> 4 large eggs
> Nuts
> 1 bottle tequila
> 2 cups dried fruit
>
> Sample the tequila to check quality Take a large bowl; check the tequila again to be sure it is of the highest quality..
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> Repeat.
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> Turn on the electric mixer. Beat one cup of butter in a large fluffy bowl.
> Add 1 teaspoon of sugar. Beat again.
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> At this point, it is best to make sure the tequila is still OK. Try another cup just in case.
> Turn off the mixerer thingy.
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> Break 2 eegs and add to the bowl and chuck in the cup of dried fruit.
> Pick the fruit up off the floor.
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> Mix on the turner.
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> If the fried druit getas stuck in the beaterers, just pry it loose with a drewscriver.
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> Sample the tequila to test for tonsisticity.
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> Next, sift 2 cups of salt, or something.
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> Check the tequila. Now shift the lemon juice and strain your nuts.
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> Add one table. Add a spoon of sugar, or somefink. Whatever you can find.
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> Greash the oven.
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> Turn the cake tin 360 degrees and try not to fall over.
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> Don’t forget to beat off the turner
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> Finally, throw the bowl through the window.
> Finish the tequila and wipe the counter with the cat.
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> Cherry Christmas
pogo
May 19th, 2011
4:53 pm
Obama’s vision of shrinking Israel and his proposed economic rejuvination in the Middle East using American money (which we don’t have) is baffling. It is obvious that foreign policy is not Obama’s nor his gang of progressive and juvenile advisor’s forte. For that matter, neither is domestic policy. In the Executive Office, it appears that this country is currently being run by a bunch of idealists with no clue of what the real world is all about. Yep, Obama is in real trouble in 2012.
Dusty
May 19th, 2011
4:55 pm
Paul, I think your sons have THE cooking gene. Mine only have the get-it-at-the-bakery one. My daughter likes to try new recipes but even she does not spend much time in the kitchen. From what she says, they eat the same thing for several DAYS.
But sounds like you lucked out with the good food….andddd…a son with THREE resaurants. Oh the joy! Eat out every night !
jm
May 19th, 2011
4:55 pm
this is a must read on the corruption deal involving McKinsey, Rajaratnam, and business in general.
How Rajat Gupta Came Undone
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_22/b4230056624680.htm
Dusty
May 19th, 2011
4:57 pm
Yikes, Doggone
Does that recipe work with Manichevitz?
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
4:57 pm
“Does that recipe work with Manichevitz?”
Yep, but you might have to test it more often!
Jay
May 19th, 2011
4:57 pm
Newt Gingrich today, on his campaign:
“It’s going to take a while for the news media to realize that you’re covering something that happens once or twice in a century, a genuine grass-roots campaign of very big ideas. I expect it to take a while for it to sink in.”
JohnnyReb
May 19th, 2011
4:58 pm
I’m not sure how this thread went from Obama not being black enough to writing of Israel. Scratch that, yes I do, Obama stepped it in today about Israel. Regardless, I would like to go on record that, first, Obama is an embarrassment, and next, American’s will never stand for a government that abandons Israel. I know I won’t.
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
4:59 pm
“I expect it to take a while for it to sink in.”
How on earth can someone so intelligent be SO lacking in smart?
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
5:00 pm
Johnny Reb
Thanks for that…so, what did Obama say “to step in it?”
Paul
May 19th, 2011
5:01 pm
Doggone/GA
ohmygosh that was funny!
Dusty
shertaintly it duzzz…….
jm
May 19th, 2011
5:01 pm
This CEO is still shocked recalling an incident in the late 1980s, when a McKinsey team offered to provide him with a road map of what his competitors were doing. When asked how they could produce such information, he was told that McKinsey also worked with his competitors, but he could trust McKinsey to know what was confidential information and what was to be kept private. He says arrogance permeated the firm. The usual rules seemed not to apply. When this CEO listened to a wiretapped phone call from July 2008, in which Gupta relayed to Rajaratnam the details of the Goldman board’s discussions about buying a commercial bank, it sounded to him just like Gupta consulting a client.
GT
May 19th, 2011
5:02 pm
I think West is distancing himself as opposed to the Jeremiah Wright thing where the president and Wright got too familiar with each other. West must have some idea what he sounds like, I mean the book has been edited and published ,plenty of time to realize what he is saying. West’s intention obviously was to disassociate himself from Obama, which politically is a windfall for the president and doesn’t hurt the Ivy League professor who may have forgot his roots. I have no doubt this was discuss in South Carolina and two very smart men decided if they are fool enough to believe Obama has a compromised character because he attended some of Wright’s flamethrowning sermons in the of his constituency we will turn it around on them and this time the flamethrower disowns Obama. The Republicans answer to this is to break into Watergate, when you are clever like Obama who needs to commit crimes.
Paul
May 19th, 2011
5:02 pm
Jay
It’s not the media that’s having trouble ‘having it sink in”…….
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
5:04 pm
“ohmygosh that was funny!”
Yep! It pretty nearly puts me on the floor every time I read it, and I’ve had it for YEARS
JohnnyReb
May 19th, 2011
5:04 pm
Hello Josef,
He threw Israel under the bus by announcing we, really just him, support Israeli borders going back to the 1967 boundaries. There is more, but that’s the biggy.
jm
May 19th, 2011
5:04 pm
3 Good Moderate R’s: Mitch (if he runs), Huntsman, and Romney. Nough said. The rest is just noise until the election results come in for the primary.
pogo
May 19th, 2011
5:04 pm
Jay, your infactuation with Newt is entering OCD territory. Maybe you should try some therapy and some drugs.
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
5:04 pm
“I expect it to take a while for it to sink in.”
http://thundafunda.com/wallpaper-blog/wp-content/uploads/HLIC/75bd5173a244b48549d03578fa49f7c3.jpg
jm
May 19th, 2011
5:04 pm
There are questions today, however, as to how content Gupta really was during those years. According to a report by Bloomberg News, Gupta ran a consulting business called Mindspirit on the side, unbeknownst to McKinsey and in violation of its rules. But the story was even more complicated.
Dusty
May 19th, 2011
5:08 pm
Was someone discusssing Gingrich here? He must appreciate all the attention.
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
5:09 pm
Goodbye Israel.
Well we always have the countries now controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood as our allies.
And liberals still support this clown.
What’s it going to take?
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
5:09 pm
josef:
Haven’t had time to read through all of the comments but what are your views on President Hussein’s attempt to destroy the nation of Israel ?
I say, “NEVER AGAIN !”
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
5:10 pm
“infactuation”
I like it! Now there’s a new word with some real meaning. (and yes, I know how the error occured, but it’s a happy accident)
GT
May 19th, 2011
5:10 pm
Newt thinks he tells people what to think. He is right however, he was part of two grassroots movements. Both strengthen the opposition or the Democratic Party. First time because the donkies needed some furniture moved around and the second time because they must have gotten it right the first time to make tire old Newt finally sound like the idiot he is.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
5:11 pm
Headline: “Keep Up the Good Fight! ”
Ooops ………. !
The power of the purse.
Maybe the liberal Jewish folks are finally waking up.
carlosgvv
May 19th, 2011
5:11 pm
When considering illegals who are ready to cross the border into the US, it looks like the Mexican Govt. doesn’t much care whether they are those that can’t or those that won’t come here legally. It’s adios amigos in either case.
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
5:12 pm
“Haven’t had time to read through all of the comments but what are your views on President Hussein’s attempt to destroy the nation of Israel ?”
In case you haven’t noticed, there’s a link that says “Show All” and after you click on it, you can actually do what’s called a “search” for the word Israel.
Try it sometime, you might actually like it.
Southern Comfort
May 19th, 2011
5:13 pm
Bosch
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
5:14 pm
OK, off to the Sweatatorium of Pain.
I’ll check in later to see what our faux Hebe “friends” have come up with to justify their fact-free drivel regarding BHO’s plan to destroy Israel.
Later, taters…
JohnnyReb
May 19th, 2011
5:14 pm
Here’s a parting levity.
It has been suggested the National emblem be changed from an Eagle to a CONDOM because it more accurately reflects the federal government. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of d&*k heads, and gives a sense of security while you are being screwed.
Good evening.
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
5:14 pm
I don’t know exactly what President Obama said, but I don’t have a real problem with going back to the pre-1967 frontiers, but with the no compromise exception of the Temple Mount, I also would agree that the Palestinian state should be awarded those territories in Syria, Lebanon that two generations of Palestinians have called home.
I’m not too worried, though, about the fate of Israel as it stands now. It will, as always, do the United States’ dirty work…
jm
May 19th, 2011
5:17 pm
According to Rajaratnam, part of Gupta’s concern was “the perceived conflict of interest.” On at least one occasion, New Silk Route and Goldman had bid on the same companies. “My analysis of the situation,” Rajaratnam tells Kumar, “is he’s enamored with Kravis, and I think he wants to, you know, be in that circle. That’s a billionaire’s circle, right? Goldman is like the hundreds-of-million-aire’s circle. Right?” he says. “And I think he sees an opportunity to make $100 million over the next five years or 10 years without doing a lot of work.”
Dusty
May 19th, 2011
5:19 pm
Well, I better start something in the kitchen where the hungry and the starving are already hanging out. We are having gourmet la ground boueff tonight. Always a hit. They’ll even eat it burnt. Lotsa practice.
jm
May 19th, 2011
5:21 pm
On Sept. 9, 2008, Gupta submitted a letter of resignation to Goldman Sachs’s board, saying he was taking a position as senior adviser to KKR. He was, however, convinced to stay by Goldman’s CEO, Lloyd C. Blankfein, and other executives, who feared a public-relations backlash if Gupta resigned in the midst of the financial crisis. Fourteen days later, according to the SEC, Gupta had one of several phone conversations with Rajaratnam, during which he allegedly tipped him off to the Goldman board’s deliberations about a $5 billion investment in the bank by Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.A). A month later, according to the SEC, he would jump off a Goldman board teleconference and 23 seconds later phone Rajaratnam to inform him of the as-yet-secret information that Goldman would report a loss of $2 a share in the fourth quarter, its first and only quarterly loss since going public. On Jan. 29, 2009, after a meeting of P&G’s audit committee, the SEC alleges that Gupta again called Rajaratnam to relay P&G’s as-yet-unannounced fourth-quarter earnings.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_22/b4230056624680_page_6.htm
jm
May 19th, 2011
5:23 pm
On Oct. 16, 2009, Rajaratnam was arrested at his Sutton Place home in Manhattan. The news of the government’s case against him would make headlines for months to come. But friends say Gupta gave no indication that he was worried. In March 2010, Goldman announced that Gupta was resigning his board position “because of other commitments.” Although Blankfein would testify this spring that he had “some inkling” that Gupta was under federal scrutiny, and that he knew “there were some questions about Rajat’s behavior,” he issued a glowing public statement about Gupta’s “important contributions to Goldman Sachs.” Even The Wall Street Journal’s revelation, in April 2010, that Gupta was under federal investigation didn’t keep him from new high-profile appointments. He would remain on the boards of American Airlines, P&G, Harman, Sberbank, and the World Economic Forum, among others, for several more months. On July 1, 2010, Gupta was elected chairman of the International Chamber of Commerce.
getalife
May 19th, 2011
5:23 pm
Oh, the drama.
The world will not end Saturday and Israel will be fine.
Religious kooks run amok.
Jay
May 19th, 2011
5:23 pm
He’s entertaining, Pogo. Some people like Monster Truck Rallies; some people love demolition derby.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
5:27 pm
Gingrich via Jay: “It’s going to take a while for the news media to realize that you’re covering something that happens once or twice in a century, a genuine grass-roots campaign of very big ideas. I expect it to take a while for it to sink in.”
Me-galo-MANIA
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
5:27 pm
getalife
Can you guarantee that Israel will be fine? Can you guarantee that the people who have sworn that they will kill all Jews and push what is left of their country into the sea has changed their mind and now they la-la love the Jews?
Maybe Jay will write some more articles about Newt. That will fix it.
TaxPayer
May 19th, 2011
5:28 pm
What is better to give a person a fish or teach them to fish?
That’s a tough one. Have you compared the price of an education to that of enough pounds of grouper to feed a person for life. It might be too close to call.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
5:28 pm
Sorry ………. Headline should have read: “Jewish Donors Warn Obama on Israel”
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
5:28 pm
Newt Gingrich: where megalomania crosses over into self-parody
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
5:30 pm
“Religious kooks run amok”
What got to me was a story I heard the other day about a couple who are believers. She is 8 months pregnant and they are (so the report went) spending ALL of their money, including their retirment in anticipation of “the event”
I DO NOT GET IT. If you believe you are going to be “taken up” doesn’t that mean you won’t be HERE anymore? And if you’re not here, what good does it do to buy a bunch of stuff you will be leaving behind.
And if you’re afraid you won’t be saved, but will die instead…well “stuff” isn’t much use to you then either. The lack of ability to THINK about it leaves me flabbergasted.
jm
May 19th, 2011
5:30 pm
LWM 5:27 – I agree (not to be repeated anytime soon)
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
5:32 pm
getalife’s persona in Germany during the 1940s:
That smell is just the slaughterhouse down the street. the Jews are fine.
Religious kooks run amok.
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
5:34 pm
Doggone/GA
What got me was the story about the far left progressive who moved to San Francisco and gathered up almost 1,000 Progressives who wanted to live in a socialist utopia.
They all moved to Jonestown and there is where they all died.
There are kooks in all persuasions.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
5:34 pm
jm: “LWM 5:27 – I agree (not to be repeated anytime soon) ”
Feel like throwing in Marx’s theory of surplus value well while you’re at it?
TaxPayer
May 19th, 2011
5:35 pm
I see GLL has once again invoked the Nazi card.
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
5:36 pm
TaxPayer
On the day when our president has turned his back on Israel after several months of supporting the Muslim Brotherhood, can you think of a better day to bring up what happened to the jews in the past?
Sp please tell me. Why are liberals so terrified of anyone mentioning what happened while the National Socialist Workers Party had power
Those who ignore history are destined to repeat it. There is no better day to say that.
jm
May 19th, 2011
5:37 pm
“Feel like throwing in Marx’s theory of surplus value well while you’re at it?”
Nope. Actually, I’m outta here. Another however many hours blown in golden handcuffs that are going to be off soon enough…. cheers.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
5:37 pm
Dear President Hussein:
So tell me when Hawaii is going to be returned to its citizens ???
“Hawaii is one of four states that were independent prior to becoming part of the United States. The Kingdom of Hawaii was sovereign from 1810 until 1893 when the monarchy was overthrown …… becoming a state in 1959.
Ship’s landing force at the time of the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy, January 1893 (you can see the photo below).
In 1993, a joint Apology Resolution regarding the overthrow was passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton, apologizing for the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom. It is the first time in American history that the United States government has apologized for overthrowing the government of a sovereign nation.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
5:37 pm
GLL: “What got me was the story about the far left progressive who moved to San Francisco and gathered up almost 1,000 Progressives who wanted to live in a socialist utopia.”
A good century or so ago there were groups doing that sort is thing springing up right and left.
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
5:39 pm
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
Perhaps you should consider what happened today. Do you even know?
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
5:41 pm
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt) – you don’t have to go that far back. Think Jim Jones
poison pen
May 19th, 2011
5:42 pm
Jay
May 19th, 2011
2:02 pm
Isreael returning to its 1967 borders has been a central part of US foreign policy since, well, 1967.
Jay, and what else is our policy, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia, do you agree with supporting terrorists?
It’s time to let these countries take care of themselves, I haven’t seen it written anywhere that we are the Worlds Police Dog.
Sorry for late response, spent half a day putting a lawn plugger together.
TaxPayer
May 19th, 2011
5:42 pm
GLL,
I have no problem with history, just your little word association game you seem to relish.
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
5:43 pm
Doggone/GA
Jim Jones is the far left Progressive that I was talking about.
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
5:43 pm
TaxPayer
it’s not a game. Christians are being slaughtered and their churches burned by the radicals that Obama praised. And now he wants the Israeli Airport to be three miles from occupied territory with arms supplied by Iran to the sworn enemies of Israel.
There is nothing funny or game-like about any of this.
TaxPayer
May 19th, 2011
5:44 pm
So tell me when Hawaii is going to be returned to its citizens ???
What! And give you another reason to claim that Obama is not qualified to be president.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
5:45 pm
It’s Black Howdy Doody Tiime !
Headline: “Cornel West, a Princeton University professor and leading black intellectual, is harshly criticizing President Obama, a candidate he once supported but now calls “a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs and a black puppet of corporate plutocrats.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ-IPXpvRaU
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
5:46 pm
TaxPayer
i’m still waiting for a reason to think that he is qualified to be reelected president. Can you name one?
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
5:47 pm
TaxPayer:
LOL ! He’s going farther and farther off the charts isn’t he?
That’s o.k. I don’t expect you to admit it.
TaxPayer
May 19th, 2011
5:54 pm
GLL,
You tried to link getalife to Nazi Germany with your post. That is the latest faulty word association of yours that I was referring to. And as for your attempt to link someone to church burnings, I seriously doubt that Obama was associated with those that burned the churches in Alabama but feel free to provide a link if you have one.
TaxPayer
May 19th, 2011
5:56 pm
That’s o.k. I don’t expect you to admit it.
Obama has turned out to be a much better president than GW could ever hope to be. You see, I have no problem admitting that. I don’t expect you to be capable of such a logical conclusion though given your birther bias, etc.
TaxPayer
May 19th, 2011
5:57 pm
i’m still waiting for a reason to think that he is qualified to be reelected president. Can you name one?
Experience.
TaxPayer
May 19th, 2011
5:58 pm
Y’all have fun. It be about supper time.
St Simons - we're on Island time
May 19th, 2011
5:58 pm
if Cornell West hadn’t shut that guy up and let Morpheus & Neo contact the Oracle, we’d all be either gone or batteries for the Machines.
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
5:59 pm
TaxPayer
That’s right. We have thousands of Arabs standing in public squares screaming “Kill the Jews” We have an American reporter for CBS 60 minutes who was publicly raped by those mobs and when somebody started saying that she was a Jew, she was almost torn apart.
And getalife says that the jews will be fine. A lot of germans said the jews would be fine. Maybe if someone pointed out the folly of their statement like I did to getalife, maybe, just maybe, a few million would have been saved. WAKE UP>
How far will you let this anti-semetic clown in the White House go before you finally speak up against him?
Mighty Righty
May 19th, 2011
6:00 pm
This is much ado about noting. The purpose of this controversy is to detract from the ultra left wing agenda of Obama to make him appear “moderate.” As I have said before, don’t pay any attention to his words; watch his actions. Example, last week he claimed he was for more domestic oil production so he extended existing leases that he knows his E.P.A. will not approve for drilling. He is slick. Keep your eyes open. There is no telling what lies his teleprompter is dreaming up.
getalife
May 19th, 2011
6:01 pm
Good for the Catholic Church standing up and saying no more lies gop.
Follow their lead cons.
Jay
May 19th, 2011
6:03 pm
Anti-Semitic, GLL?
That’s a term with rather loaded history, encompassing centuries of persecution and the murders of millions. It is not a label you should feel free to attach to those you dislike or disagree with. You diminish its meaning by doing so, and you demean the horrors visited upon many by those who truly deserve the label.
In other words, you don’t have the slightest understanding of what you’re talking about.
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
6:04 pm
getalife
So now religious folk’s words have meaning and power. Make up your mind.
Mighty Righty
May 19th, 2011
6:06 pm
TaxPayer
May 19th, 2011
5:57 pm
i’m still waiting for a reason to think that he is qualified to be reelected president. Can you name one?
Experience.
Depends on what knid of experience one has. I know golfers who have thirty years experience and are no better today than when they started. But they have thirty years experiencee! Obama has experience as a failure. His record speaks for it self. No successes, all failures.
Adam
May 19th, 2011
6:08 pm
Bosch: I was particularly struck with their views on colleges and universities — I mean, if I had a dollar for everytime that almost verbatim line was posted here, I’d be lying on a beach in the Caribbean somewhere.
Why won’t you release your long form birth certificate, which will clearly display your current-day religion, and why won’t you release your college records, which will clearly show that no matter what they are you are a biased left Marxist… because you went to college?
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
6:08 pm
Jay
Perhaps you should make the same speech to many of your supporters in this very blog when they use the term racist.
Do you have friends that live in Israel, Jay? I do. because of this clown, I fear for their lives. Perhaps you should educate yourself before you accuse someone else of not knowing what they are talking about.
Adam
May 19th, 2011
6:08 pm
lynnie gal: Cutting heating assistance to the poor and then giving millionaires tax breaks is ethically wrong, no matter how you look at it. Extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and then cutting teachers, firemen, librarians and policemen who make our society a better and safer place to live is ethically wrong.
AMEN
Adam
May 19th, 2011
6:09 pm
No dose @ 4:27 pm: And just WHERE did you go to college hmmm? shnirt
Every government program like heating assistance are full of waste, fraud and abuse.
And maybe if you keep repeating that talking point phrase over and over, it will mean that there is nothing BUT those three things in government programs!
CAN”T HELP EVERYBODY ITS NOT POSSIBLE AND UNTIL WE IN THIS COUNTRY UNDERSTAND THAT WE WILL GO BROKE BECAUSE THE WAR ON POVERTY HAS FAILED
Oy. All caps doesn’t help your case, and your implication is “therefore we shouldn’t even try!” The reason we can’t afford things is because we kept cutting taxes and spending money on wars and emergency actions. If we put the taxes back up and stop spending on war and emergency actions, we will be fine, AND be able to help the poor.
What is better to give a person a fish or teach them to fish?
Ok, teach me how to force someone to hire me. I would love to learn.
pogo
May 19th, 2011
6:09 pm
Methinks that Newt must have “spanked” Jay at some point in his career. What else could explain Jay’s “obsession” and his “hate” for the man? Human frailties and shortcomings certainly make themselves known, especially amongst the so-called “journalists”.
Adam
May 19th, 2011
6:11 pm
md: but we need to somehow make a distinction between those that can’t and those that won’t……….we are are helping the former and enabling the later…………..
Not Intended to be a Factual Statement
I’d give them the conditions for assistance, and if they refuse……wish them luck.
So uh, I can go ask for government assistance any time and I don’t have to meet any conditions? Where do I sign up???
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
6:11 pm
Adam
The Republicans gained control of Congress after the 1994 elections. NO EDUCATION!!!! NO EDUCATION!!!!!
Stop posted uneducated statements, Adam.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
6:11 pm
GLL: “Perhaps you should consider what happened today. Do you even know?”
Actually, not so much. Honestly I’m more interested in what COULD be than what IS.
Adam
May 19th, 2011
6:12 pm
Scout: In 1993, a joint Apology Resolution regarding the overthrow was passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton
1993 was the New(t) Republican Congress wasn’t it? NO APOLOGY! NO APOLOGYYYYYY!
Stop apologizing for our country Newt.
Adam
May 19th, 2011
6:12 pm
Good little liberal: i’m still waiting for a reason to think that he is qualified to be reelected president. Can you name one?
-The responsible handling of the existing wars
-The executive action that killed bin Laden
-The health care law (yeah, I see it as a GOOD step forward)
-Investment in infrasctructure and high speed internet in rural areas
-Several other campaign promises that were KEPT (see Politifact for a list)
Shall I go on? What’s the best you got, he’s not doing something conservative enough? Go ahead and throw some talking points at me.
Most of your posts about Obama seem to be basically: Obama should sit down, shut up, move out of the way and let someone else take over (and make all the blunders instead I guess?) Well, too bad. It ain’t gonna happen. Get over it.
md
May 19th, 2011
6:13 pm
“Extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and then cutting teachers, firemen, librarians and policemen who make our society a better and safer place to live is ethically wrong.”
Always amazes me that there is never any mention of the rest of the tax cuts…………
Adam
May 19th, 2011
6:14 pm
I THINK that catches me up… lol
Mighty Righty
May 19th, 2011
6:15 pm
TaxPayer
May 19th, 2011
5:56 pm
That’s o.k. I don’t expect you to admit it.
Obama has turned out to be a much better president than GW could ever hope to be. You see, I have no problem admitting that. I don’t expect you to be capable of such a logical conclusion though given your birther bias, etc.
Let’s start with something simple like the average unemploymnet rate during the Bush years compared with unemployment rate durng Obama’s rule. Or budget deficits? Or total spending? Or number of people on welefare? Or gasoline prices. Or food prices? Pick a subject? Number of government employees. How about you using some logic?
USMC
May 19th, 2011
6:16 pm
“Obama has turned out to be a much better president than GW could ever hope to be.”
More Left-wing Liberal DELUSION
getalife
May 19th, 2011
6:16 pm
newt will never be President.
The Arab Revolution will continue.
The President is positioned very well for reelection.
Paulo977
May 19th, 2011
6:16 pm
“What do you expect from a “Muslim” president?” Boring ….change the record!!!!!!!
md
May 19th, 2011
6:19 pm
“So uh, I can go ask for government assistance any time and I don’t have to meet any conditions? Where do I sign up???”
Pretty much……..as we have recently witnessed with the Michigan lottery winner……….
If it comes to needing assistance from others, then there should be some form of accountability that we are only providing for needs……..not wants……..I don’t see that now……….
When I need money, I go to the bank……..and have to provide tons of info on my financials before getting any assistance………
Southern Comfort
May 19th, 2011
6:20 pm
Gll
I understand your concern about Israel. I don’t have that same fear of Israel’s safety as you do for one simple reason, the IDF. I think when you compare military might around the world, I would put the IDF probably second to the US when it comes to deadly efficiency. I think Israel and everyone who antagonizes Israel knows that too. One only has to look at the military toys that contractors there actually import to the United States now to understand.
My prayer is that nobody pushes Israel to respond with effort behind it’s might. As things stand now, the responses they’ve had to past rocket attacks remind me of a cow swatting flies with it’s tail. They’re trying to glad hand things to keep the international community from railing against them. However, if a serious attack were to be mounted against them, I wholeheartedly believe they would uncork a can of whoopass not seen in a very long time. Not only that, when the rubber hits the road in that situation, the US will be right there in the Med to back them up, regardless to who’s in the WH.
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
6:20 pm
Adam
We are now involved in yet another war. Do you call that responsible?
He was offered a chance to kill bin Laden. What were his options?
If the Healthcare Bill is so great, why is it a huge political favor for the very people who pushed it down our throats to give deferments to their friends?
He has had no more influence in the expansion of the internet than Al Gore invented the internet.
Unfortunately, he did do several things he promised and a sustained 9% unemployment rate is the result.
Yes, please go on. Tell us about how he has pushed the overthrow of almost everyone of our allies that held the Muslim Brotherhood under control. Now Iranian Warships and off the coast of Rome, Barcelona, Paris and London.
Today he further endorsed the policies of al Quida by endorsing their policies toward Israel.
My posts about Obama is that if we don’t get him out of power as soon as the next election comes around, we may not survive it.
Paulo977
May 19th, 2011
6:20 pm
Adam
and to add to your list
“http://3chicspolitico.com/president-obamas-accomplishments/
md
May 19th, 2011
6:21 pm
If you don’t think providing for those that choose not to provide for themselves is enabling Adam, what would you call it?
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
6:22 pm
Adam:
Answer the question. Should Hawaii be given its freedom?
Southern Comfort
May 19th, 2011
6:23 pm
Let’s start with something simple like the average unemploymnet rate during the Bush years compared with unemployment rate durng Obama’s rule.
You do yourself no good by trying to compare things that are obviously not equal in terms. Anybody with any level of math skills will know that using that comparison stacks the deck against Obama to make him look bad. From the jump, his average will be higher because he’s starting from a higher point than what Bush ended.
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
6:23 pm
Southern Comfort
If the borders are brought back to where Obama wants them, the Tel Aviv Airport will be three miles from the West Bank. What on earth would the IDF be able to do to protect the commercial airliners flying into Israel?
I’m not seeing Obama supporting Israel for any purpose. Look at what he is supporting and look at what he has done, I talk to my friend in Tel Aviv on facebook and I dread tonight’s messages. He is terrified for his entire family.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
6:23 pm
TaxPayer:
But I’m not a “birther” in the true sense of the word.
I believe he was born in Hawaii. I just think he’s hiding something else.
Mighty Righty
May 19th, 2011
6:23 pm
USMC
May 19th, 2011
6:16 pm
“Obama has turned out to be a much better president than GW could ever hope to be.”
More Left-wing Liberal DELUSION
Exactly–the left really should quit drugs.
Paulo977
May 19th, 2011
6:23 pm
SoCo
“I would put the IDF probably second to the US when it comes to deadly efficiency. ” And deadly it is !
md
May 19th, 2011
6:26 pm
soco,
I don’t think conventional weapons are the concern……..if you have an enemy committed to your destruction, and that enemy has no problem strapping a little bomb on their person and going boom…….I can only imagine what will happen when they get their hands on the bigger boom…………
Mighty Righty
May 19th, 2011
6:26 pm
Southern Comfort
May 19th, 2011
6:23 pm
Let’s start with something simple like the average unemploymnet rate during the Bush years compared with unemployment rate durng Obama’s rule.
You do yourself no good by trying to compare things that are obviously not equal in terms. Anybody with any level of math skills will know that using that comparison stacks the deck against Obama to make him look bad. From the jump, his average will be higher because he’s starting from a higher point than what Bush ended.
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Wrong again! Unemployment was a little over 7% when the Bamster put in his program guaranteed to keep unemployment under 8%. Sorry the facts are the facts. The empty suit has been in charge for two and a half years and every category is worse than when he took over. There are no successes. Zero, zip, zilch.
getalife
May 19th, 2011
6:32 pm
Use the Google cons:
http://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+President+Obama%27s+accomplishments&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Then ignore the facts.
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
6:33 pm
“From the jump, his average will be higher because he’s starting from a higher point than what Bush ended”
And the timeframe is drastically shorter.
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
6:36 pm
I might as well jump in on the anti Semitic thingie…there are two kinds. There is the hard kind we hear from the likes of Ahmadinejad and company, and there is the soft kind we hear from many more average John Doe’s. The former is easy enough to counter. The latter is not. The latter is the most dangerous. Sadly, in a bizarre way, it comes as often from “friends” as it does “foes.” This latter is far more dangerous since, if a Jew tries to counter it, s/he is accused of being “ungrateful” or “thin skinned.”
Jay is right when he says that we should be extremely careful in throwing the term around. He does not, however, say that we should be just as careful to ignore it when it peeks its ugly little head out in the most seeminly innoucous situations.
Southern Comfort
May 19th, 2011
6:36 pm
md
Conventional weapons might not be the concern, however, I’m of the belief that we have not seen the full force of Israel reaching out towards those who wish it’s destruction. I see it like one of those situations where the physical brutality and violence would come as such a shock, those who plot against Israel would seriously debate changing their position. Something like seeing the star quarterback picking on the science geek until the geek goes ape shiiite crazy with 5th degree black belt jujitsu and puts the quarterback in the hospital for a year. After a display like that, none of the other football players want to pick on Mr. geek again.
Mighty Righty
I tell you what then, let’s do an experiment. Since you think Obama’s numbers say what they do, here’s what we’ll do.
Let’s go to a bar. You drink 2-3 shots to put your BAC at about .5%. We’ll both drink 4 shots at the same time. After the 4th shot, we’ll both do a breathalyzer and see who’s number is higher. After an hour, we’ll do a second reading, and then we’ll take the average of the two and see which one is the higher of the two. 1000 to 1 odds says that your’s would be higher since you’re starting off with a .5% higher reading than me. Wanna take me up on it?
They BOTH suck
May 19th, 2011
6:37 pm
@1811/1801 – 0311/0317
“I believe he was born in Hawaii. I just think he’s hiding something else.”
What do you think he is hiding that both the Clinton’s money during the primary and the right leaning money working to dig up dirt since before the last election hasn’t already revealed?
This notion that he hasn’t been investigated and vetted his fantasy island games being played by his detractors.
If you do not like his politics (I’m not a fan of all his policies myself, than say so…..
“He wasn’t born here”, “he is hiding this or that” did absolutely NOTHING last term to help Republicans………….
Defeating him will not be built on the same type foundation…… It be the same result, especially with the characters who are in the race to date
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
6:38 pm
“He does not, however, say that we should be just as careful to ignore it when it peeks its ugly little head out in the most seeminly innoucous situations.”
But we also have to be careful from the other side. We need to be sure that we are not seeing anti-semitism where it doesn’t actually exist.
Mighty Righty
May 19th, 2011
6:40 pm
Here is the “rosy” economic forcast by the Obama Administraton. They admit, little or no improvement in the economy during the remainder of his first term. This was reported today in the Huffington Post. Hardly a conservative journ
The Obama administration reversed course Monday in its proposed budget for fiscal 2012, forecasting slower growth and higher unemployment for the next two years in an implicit acknowledgment that the economy continues to suffer.
In prior budgets, the administration had projected robust growth and a lower unemployment rate for 2011 and 2012, giving the nation the impression of a rosy economic expansion and coloring its forecasts for tax revenue and government spending.
But in its latest spending plan, the White House revised those forecasts.
The administration now projects a growth rate of 2.7 percent this year, more than a full percentage point lower than its estimate in last year’s budget, when it predicted 3.8 percent growth. For 2012, the administration forecasts 3.6 percent growth, considerably lower than its previous estimate of 4.3 percent.
The unemployment rate reflects the grim projections.
This year, the White House estimates that 9.3 percent of workers will be jobless. Last summer, in its midyear budget update, the administration forecast a 9.0 percent unemployment rate. Next year, when President Barack Obama runs for reelection, the administration forecasts an 8.6 percent unemployment rate, a half-percentage point increase from last summer’s projection of 8.1 percent. The White House also raised its projection for the unemployment rate in 2013.
The unemployment rate has never averaged above 8 percent during a presidential election year, according to Labor Department data stretching back to 1948.
Rightwing Troll
May 19th, 2011
6:40 pm
“My posts about Obama is that if we don’t get him out of power as soon as the next election comes around, we may not survive it.”
Come out from under your bed and put on some clean shorts… it’s not THAT bad… If we survived 8 years of W, we can survive Obama.
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
6:42 pm
Doggone
“But we also have to be careful from the other side. We need to be sure that we are not seeing anti-semitism where it doesn’t actually exist.”
While I agree with you in idealistic theory, and do spend an awful lot of time contemplating just that, the bottom line is that when you’re the target, it’s often a luxury you can’t afford.
And, no, Imam, this is not po, po pitiful Josef
MarkV
May 19th, 2011
6:43 pm
One reads some amazing stupidities in these posts. A few examples:
“He was offered a chance to kill bin Laden. What were his options?”
His options were to use an order for a risky action, or wait.
“He has had no more influence in the expansion of the internet than Al Gore invented the internet.”
People still regurgitate the lie about Al Gore’s statement?
“Unfortunately, he did do several things he promised and a sustained 9% unemployment rate is the result.”
He did what he could to get us out of the mess caused by the Bush administration, which resulted in the unemployment.
“Tell us about how he has pushed the overthrow of almost everyone of our allies that held the Muslim Brotherhood under control. Now Iranian Warships and off the coast of Rome, Barcelona, Paris and London”
Apart from the funny picture of warships off the coast of Paris (LOL), the writer’s preference to dictators rather than giving democracy a chance is pretty disgusting..
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
6:44 pm
Rightwing Troll
Do you have any idea what the “Arab Spring” is doing to the ME?
Considering your adolescent post, I’m pretty sure that you wouldn’t know what any of this means.
Rightwing Troll
May 19th, 2011
6:44 pm
I didn’t know Iran had that many warships…
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
6:45 pm
RT “If we survived 8 years of W, we can survive Obama”
I hope you don’t mind this correction. I prefer the more positive SINCE “we survived 8 years of W, we can survive Obama”
md
May 19th, 2011
6:45 pm
soco,
And I think it may come to what is left over there if the big boom ever occurs………if Israel is still able to respond, I agree with your assessment……it will be no holds barred and total destruction of any perceived as the enemy……….I see no restraint if any terrorist is able to do the unthinkable……yet I see it as a distinct possibility with places such as Iran and maybe Syria having access to the big boom…………….
getalife
May 19th, 2011
6:46 pm
I guess the cons would be happy if we get attacked and the global economy collapses again like the good ole bush days.
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
6:46 pm
MarkV
So he could have waited after the military was ready to kill bin Laden. While that would be expected of this clown, he did pull the trigger. Congratulations. That’s one.
The point was that he had no influence into getting the internet in rural communities. Try to keep up.
So name anything he had done that would have had a prayer to decrease unemployment.
Giving democracy a chance to kill anyone who isn’t a Muslim?
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
6:47 pm
“the bottom line is that when you’re the target, it’s often a luxury you can’t afford”
Sorry, I don’t see it that way. When you’re the target it’s incumbent on you to take even MORE care that you aren’t seeing an attack where it doesn’t exist.
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
6:48 pm
Oh sure guys. We barely survived a stable ME and 4.6% unemployment with almost no inflation.
But those wire taps almost brought down the country.
Get a clue, libs.
Rightwing Troll
May 19th, 2011
6:48 pm
Bedwetter,
Yes I do, the people of the ME are finally throwing off thier shackles and deciding for themselves how they wish to be governed. It’s call self-determination and who are we to question what THEY want. You and your merry band of tea tards have done everything possible over the years to make us as dependent as possible on the one item that fuels the tyrants and the ME governments, oil.
Considering you have your head stuffed up your arse, I wouldn’t expect you to understand the damage you’ve wrought…
Southern Comfort
May 19th, 2011
6:50 pm
md
You have to consider the MOSSAD factor. I think we have a far more tangible chance of that boom happening within our borders than Israel. I’m not saying that our protection and intelligence is lacking, but MOSSAD is just that good. Look at what they “allegedly” pulled off in Dubai. Not too many agencies anywhere can pull something like that, which is why they were suspect #1 from the jump.
Rightwing Troll
May 19th, 2011
6:51 pm
The jury is still out on that Doggone… The bedwetters here who fear them Arabs have it all wrong, it won’t be Arabs that destroy this country, it will be the likes of Trump, Newt, and Palin…
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
6:51 pm
Doggone
Believe me, I’m not trying to stir a stink with you on this, but apply that same line of thought to your own reactions when the subject of abortion comes up…I’m not trying to draw a parallel between the pro choice position Jewish, but simply reaction when you are the target…
md
May 19th, 2011
6:51 pm
“It’s call self-determination and who are we to question what THEY want.”
I’d say it is prudent to question what they want……….we already have one Hamas through elections…..adding more would not be favorable to a stable ME………….
Adam
May 19th, 2011
6:52 pm
md: I don’t see that now……….
Metaphorically then, you are blind. Seriously, you have no idea how these “hand out” systems actually work.
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
6:52 pm
Rightwing Troll
Try to control that little temper.
I would debate everything you say, but apparently, you don’t have the emotional control to carry on an adult conversation.
They BOTH suck
May 19th, 2011
6:53 pm
GLL
Like it or not………… Low interest rates and the housing boom and bubble were a huge catalysts in those numbers who wish to use………………
Rightwing Troll
May 19th, 2011
6:54 pm
“adding more would not be favorable to a stable ME………….”
How can you say that? If we were to somehow wean off the ME oil, and get out of the ME, there’s no telling what could or would happen. They might just be happy to sell us oil and go about thier business.
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
6:54 pm
“but apply that same line of thought to your own reactions when the subject of abortion comes up”
and I don’t think that’s a very good example. You make it sound like I’m in FAVOR of abortions. Just because I can counter the anti-abortion lies doesn’t mean I have a knee-jerk reaction and attack someone who hasn’t even mentioned it.
What we are discussing is the sort of thing like the guy that shot a black kid on the subway becuase the kid reached into his back pocket for a cigarette.
Or even more to the point, the unarmed immigrant who was shot *40* times by several “peace” officers.
I think you’d be VERY hard pressed to find a reaction of MINE to the abortion subject that even comes close (rhetorically speaking) to those events.
getalife
May 19th, 2011
6:55 pm
It is not a “spring”, it is a revolution.
It is ending dictatorships.
Freedom.
Adam
May 19th, 2011
6:55 pm
Good little liberal: We are now involved in yet another war. Do you call that responsible?
Goal post moving. I wasn’t talking about that. Good though, I see you answered my call to throw talking points at me.
He was offered a chance to kill bin Laden. What were his options?
They didn’t know with any degree of certainty that bin Laden was there in the first place. It was a huge gamble, and it paid off, for all of us, big time.
If the Healthcare Bill is so great, why is it a huge political favor for the very people who pushed it down our throats to give deferments to their friends?
See previous comments on this subject. Clearly you are not paying enough attention to what these waivers actually are, and you still think they are favors. They are not, and there is no evidence for that, not even slightly.
He has had no more influence in the expansion of the internet than Al Gore invented the internet.
I think you missed my point entirely.
Unfortunately, he did do several things he promised and a sustained 9% unemployment rate is the result.
Yep, better than 11-12%, and we still have plenty of time for this to go back down. Especially when the extended benefits expire (right?)
The rest of your post is simply not worth responding to. More talking points and fear mongering. More of the same, in other words.
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
6:55 pm
They BOTH suck
The allowance of unsupported housing loans brought down the economy When over 20% of mortgages fail, there is no recovery. Fanny Mae and Freddie was the reason.
md
May 19th, 2011
6:55 pm
soco,
And there in lies the difference…….Israel is roughly the size of New Jersey……….one wouldn’t necessarily have to be in the country to do a great deal of damage……………..getting in would be icing on the cake…………..
Rightwing Troll
May 19th, 2011
6:56 pm
You have me all wrong… I’m laughing not raging. I come here for fun, there’s no debate or conversation here.
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
6:57 pm
Rightwing Troll
Sure there is debate and conversation. If you calmed down, maybe you would see.
md
May 19th, 2011
6:57 pm
“Metaphorically then, you are blind. Seriously, you have no idea how these “hand out” systems actually work.”
More than you’ll ever know…………..but you go on being naive about it if you choose………….
Keep Up the Good Fight!
May 19th, 2011
6:58 pm
Still waiting for Scout Zero to tell us what he was looking for in the nonexistent Box 25 of the birth certificate. Trump did the sleazy “you’ll never believe what my investigators are finding”…..Scout Zero continues his innuendo campaign that somehow Obama is not legit…. its a sleazy tactic.
They BOTH suck
May 19th, 2011
6:58 pm
GLL
Really? While Frannie and Freddie are culprits in the game, would you like to stick with that statement that they were to blame?
is that in total defaults? what number are you using?
Please lets debate my friend……. I just ask that YOU don’t move the goal post and can stand by YOUR post
Adam
May 19th, 2011
6:59 pm
Scout: I think Hawaii should stay a state. Just like the US shouldn’t be turned over to the Native Americans. What’s done is done. Let’s just move towards making this nation a GOOD one to live in, eh?
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
6:59 pm
Wow. It is getting nasty.
Like it or not, Obama put it to Israel today. He has been supporting Muslim extremist taking power from our allies in the ME. bin Laden spoke on tape supporting the same things
Jay doesn’t want me to call that anti-sematism.
Personally, I will be praying for Israel. Because with this clown in the White House, they are going to need it.
Have a good night, everyone.
Adam
May 19th, 2011
7:00 pm
md: If you don’t think providing for those that choose not to provide for themselves is enabling Adam, what would you call it?
You missed my point. The MAJORITY of people who receive assistance DO need it. Go after the fraud and waste and so on if you want, but not through defunding or removing the program. These programs are GOOD programs, even if not 100% of the people who receive it (allegedly) do not actually need it.
Southern Comfort
May 19th, 2011
7:00 pm
md
You see a difference where I don’t. I don’t think there’s too much that doesn’t go on in the ME that Israel is not wary of. The small rockets are probably considered a nuisance, hence the restrained responses when rocket attacks occur. To do some serious damage, they would have to get a powerful nuke near the Israeli border. I may be overestimating MOSSAD, but I don’t think something that powerful would be able to get close enough to do any serious damage.
They BOTH suck
May 19th, 2011
7:02 pm
GLL
Did Frannie and Freddie or the rest of the mortgage industry provide more or less of the teaser loans, arms, sub prime?
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
7:02 pm
Doggone
I merely meant to point out the reactionary…it is the whole point I am trying to make between the “soft” and “hard.” To react to a pro lifer’s point of view as if sh/e were bombing an abortion clinic (and no, I’m not accusing you of such) is to confuse the hard with the soft. However, as an employee of an abortion clinic, can you really afford the luxury of assuming that the pro lifer is NOT of that school of thought or that his/her soft stance does not embolden the hard stance reactionaries?
md
May 19th, 2011
7:02 pm
“How can you say that? If we were to somehow wean off the ME oil, and get out of the ME, there’s no telling what could or would happen. They might just be happy to sell us oil and go about thier business.”
Even without oil, we have an ally in the ME……………if we have more Hamas type gov’ts, we will still be involved…………..
Good little liberal
May 19th, 2011
7:03 pm
They BOTH suck
If you wanted to debate the effects of Obama’s announcements today, we could do that. But spending hours showing you article after article about the effects of what Barnie Frank was responsible for doing. No thanks.
md
May 19th, 2011
7:03 pm
“You missed my point. The MAJORITY of people who receive assistance DO need it. Go after the fraud and waste and so on if you want, but not through defunding or removing the program. These programs are GOOD programs, even if not 100% of the people who receive it (allegedly) do not actually need it.”
And you may want to go back and read my initial post……..I have no problem helping those that can’t help themselves…………it’s the won’ts I take issue with………..
They BOTH suck
May 19th, 2011
7:04 pm
GLL
You mean Barney Frank who was in the minority party from 94 to 06?
That Barney? Thought so
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
7:09 pm
Newt Gingrich might be the biggest laughing stock in the history of politics. Seriously.
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
7:09 pm
“However, as an employee of an abortion clinic, can you really afford the luxury of assuming that the pro lifer is NOT of that school of thought or that his/her soft stance does not embolden the hard stance reactionaries?”
And it doesn’t matter what you assume about your “opponent” but it IS how you ACT UPON that assumption. THAT is where it is incumbent on the victim to be SURE. Before they act.
AnotherVox
May 19th, 2011
7:10 pm
Clearly, you DO NOT know about Cornel West. IF you did, you wouldn’t try to take what he said about the inauguration and twist it into his reason for criticizing President Obama. Facts are facts. While there was a genuine need to keep the financial markets going, and that took a massive influx of greenbacks, President Obama has failed to do certain things that would have benefited the poor and middle class. There were overwhelming majorities in the House and Senate for a time and the Man on the Street if of the opinion that Barack Obama missed an opportunity.
I support BOTH men. I’d like the POTUS to do “more”, but he has compiled an impressive, if imperfect, record. Dr. West is unimpeachable in my eyes. I am familiar with the man and his writings and I understand exactly where he is coming from. For you, Mr. Bookman–oh the irony–to suggest that Cornel West has somehow “yanked” Barack Obama’s “credentials as a black man” is asinine, offensive, and ludicrous. You know NOT of what you speak. Black America is NOT a monolith. It NEVER has been. It NEVER will be. Many of us that are college educated have seen the type of guy that Cornel West describes Barack Obama as. Dr. West was NOT being hateful or even dismissive towards Barack Obama. He is, however, questioning the man’s heart/priorities/bona fides. He has a RIGHT to do that. If you say you love the poor and working class, love them with your actions aka policies. THAT is all Dr. West is saying.
TaxPayer
May 19th, 2011
7:10 pm
Mighty Righty,
Did you say something about unemployment rate. Who was president back in 1982 during that recession when unemployment peaked out at 10.8%.
And when GW took office in January of 2001, the unemployment rate was 4.2% and when he left office in January 2009 it was 7.8% and climbing. We’ll have to wait for Obama’s two terms in office to end before we can do a fair apples to apples comparison of how each handled their respective recessions during their terms, eh.
Finn McCool
May 19th, 2011
7:12 pm
GLL just wants to send mo money to Israel. If Obama had taken the opposite stance, he would be sayiing the opposite.
Rudy
May 19th, 2011
7:12 pm
Cornel West’s feelings was hurt… *sigh*
What West doesn’t understand is that hundreds of thousands of people was out on the front lines, on the phones, going from neighborhood to neighborhood, door to door sometimes in bad neighborhoods or in bad weather campaigning for Obama. I was one of them. We were registering new voters, driving them to the polls throughout the primaries and in November, while he, said a few nice things about him on TV, had a few fundraisers. raised a lot of money which was nice but the Obama Campaign raised 100 times more from individual donors sending small donations of $10, $ 20, $50, $100+ toward his campaign. By the end of his campaign Obama had raised over $600 million from small donations alone.
But West feels that because he did all that “work” (which was only self-serving anyway) to help get Obama elected he feels that he should’ve been a part his inner-circle. President Obama is not obligated to do that.
Another thing that is bothering him is the fact that Obama put his nemesis, Lawrence Summers on his economic team. Regardless of how West feels, Obama chose Summers to be one of his advisers is because he was QUALIFIED for the job at the time, Obama wasn’t out to personally hurt him. Besides Lawrence Summers had lost his usefulness in the Administration and he has been gone for months.
They BOTH suck
May 19th, 2011
7:13 pm
AnotheVox
You fail to mention that Obama must work in the context of a Congress. Even when it is your own Party in power, the President doesn’t always get what he wants no matter what he campaigned on or didn’t campaign on
F. Sinkwich
May 19th, 2011
7:14 pm
So Hopey/Changey threw Israel under the bus today…
Shocked, I tell you, I’m shocked!
Finn McCool
May 19th, 2011
7:15 pm
President Obama has failed to do certain things that would have benefited the poor and middle class.
You aren’t aware of the Healthcare reform? They’ve been trying to revamp that since Teddy Effen Roosevelt. Everything else for the next 5.5 years this administration does is just small potatoes.
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
7:16 pm
Doggone
Again, not to beat a dead horse, but who more than the target should be determining that surity?
It is a sliding scale, imo, and, as target, it is more pragmatic to err on the side of being wrong…
Finn McCool
May 19th, 2011
7:17 pm
Israel is a drain on the US.
If you can’t MAKE IT as a country, a soverign country, without the protection/money of another country, then maybe it’s time you get out of the business?????
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
7:18 pm
“Again, not to beat a dead horse, but who more than the target should be determining that surity?”
To me, it comes down to two things:
“Don’t panic” The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Universe
And to the answer to this question:
Is it better that an innocent man dies than a guilty man goes free, or is it better that a guilty man goes free than an innocent man dies?
Finn McCool
May 19th, 2011
7:18 pm
We can’t keep propping up these countries – no matter who they represent; they have to stand on their own two million feet.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
May 19th, 2011
7:19 pm
We certainly have a lot of “experts” on foreign affairs who obviously must get daily briefings from the State Dept and are able to articulate solid well-reasoned opinions about how to handle these matters based on complete and solid information….so of course they critic the President and the current Secretary of State they certainly are knowledgeable and no just throwing out contrarian “whatever Obama does has got to be wrong” silliness like “hopey/changey”….
Oh right…. this blog? Nevermind.
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
7:20 pm
SoCo
In relation to the IDF and Mossad…it is in their interest to know as much as humanly possible about those whose stated goal is the elimination of the state of which they are organs, and they are both highly competent.
I liked that analogy of a cow in the pasture swatting flies…!
md
May 19th, 2011
7:20 pm
“You aren’t aware of the Healthcare reform?”
And when those unintended (intended) added costs to the States in the form of administration costs kicks in and causes untold hardships on the residents of those states, we’ll get to discuss this all again. I wouldn’t be glad handing just yet……………
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
7:21 pm
“President Obama has failed to do certain things that would have benefited the poor and middle class.
You aren’t aware of the Healthcare reform?”
Yeah, THAT health care reform that is actually removing low-cost policies that help the poor. And is till going to raise the deficit.
Finn McCool
May 19th, 2011
7:21 pm
Israel has been around since 1949….how long does it take to set it up and get the joint rolling? We need to bankroll another generation?
Look, I’m not anti-semitic, I just can’t understand why that country can’t work out it’s own details with it’s own neighbors. Do we call Russia when we can’t get along with the Canadians or Mexicans?
“Hey, Medved, we got a problem with the Canucks, can you come over and talk to these noisy bahstads?”
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
7:24 pm
GLL : “Like it or not, Obama put it to Israel today. He has been supporting Muslim extremist taking power from our allies in the ME. bin Laden spoke on tape supporting the same things”
Do you really believe this? C’mon.
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
7:24 pm
“Israel is a drain on the US.
If you can’t MAKE IT as a country, a soverign country, without the protection/money of another country, then maybe it’s time you get out of the business?????”
Yeah, Finn. Maybe we can just gas another couple of million of them so you won’t have to worry you little head off.
Sheesh!
poison pen
May 19th, 2011
7:25 pm
Finn McCool
May 19th, 2011
7:17 pm
Israel is a drain on the US.
If you can’t MAKE IT as a country, a soverign country, without the protection/money of another country, then maybe it’s time you get out of the business?????
Finn, I hope you feel that way towards all but 3 countries that we give money to, I personally am tired or buying our friends with our tax dollars. That money should be used here at home. I don’t see these countries giving us anything free, especially oil.
stands for decibels
May 19th, 2011
7:26 pm
If I can revert back to the original topic?
Some information has come to light, to yours truly at least.
Having not read the linked piece very carefully, before, I wasn’t aware that Cornel West had accompanied Obama to 65 campaign events. While I still think that some of his lament winds up sounding a bit whiny, I can understand a bit better why he might’ve felt a) betrayed somewhat and b) empowered to talk about it publicly.
Also, I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume that little has changed since I left this thread at around 4pm, which is to say, nobody’s talking about the big-picture stuff contained in CW’s lament?
Anyone wants to talk about that, honestly, I’m here, I’m queer, I gots big ears…
(well, two outa three ain’t bad.)
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
7:27 pm
Doggone
I couldn’t agree more on the “don’t panic.” As for the second point,
“And to the answer to this question:
Is it better that an innocent man dies than a guilty man goes free, or is it better that a guilty man goes free than an innocent man dies?”
This lies at the very heart of what Judaism is all about and it is why I said in the beginning that this is a question I spend a lot of time contemplating…and, as you said, “an innocent man dies…” Death is the ultimate finality of just such and it is for that reason that I said what I did about countering it whenever it peeks out its ugly little head in the most seemingly innocuous situations…
Mighty Righty
May 19th, 2011
7:27 pm
Southern Comfort
May 19th, 2011
6:36 pm
It a silly analogy, but I still might win since I am bigger than your average bear and weight does effect BAC. But that aside. Take any meaningful economic measurement from a dead start. Obama’s Inauguration Day onward. Unemployment, deficit, spending, gas prices, food prices, housing market, number of government workers. Come on. you know as well as I that Obama’s record will not measure up. He and you can only blame his predecessor for so long. It’s not like he inherited a bad situation and is having trouble making it better. IT HAS GOTTEN WORSE ON HIS WATCH while he has wasted three trillion of our dollars!!! Unbelievably, his solution to this mess is to continue the same wrong policy. More unbelievably, there are still, though admitidly fewer and fewer, people who think he is doing a good job. You people remind me of the old joke about an employee’s review on which his boss writes: “Employee continues to set low goals and fails to achieve them.” If Obama reported to you and you were resposible for his performance, and in spite of his lack of accomplishment, you said he was doing a good job, where I work, you would be replaced by someone who has demonstrated better judgement. He has time to turn things around but he has shown no hint of doing so.
stands for decibels
May 19th, 2011
7:28 pm
But West feels that because he did all that “work” (which was only self-serving anyway)
cite, please.
poison pen
May 19th, 2011
7:29 pm
KeepUp, We probably have more countries hating us now more than ever, a lot of these countries are ripping Obama because they have no respect for him. So when it comes to Foriegn policies I’m not so sure that some of the people on here may have a better idea.
I don’t think it was wise to inflame the Palestians ( terrorists ) by telling Isreal what to do. I know I don’t like it when another country tells our President what to do.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
May 19th, 2011
7:29 pm
stands….you’re not here?
kayaker 71
May 19th, 2011
7:30 pm
Another Vox,
Cornel West is a haughty aristocrat with an ego the size of your living room. We have all questioned Bozo’s heart/priorities/bona fides for about 18 mos. So far we have not found that he has much of a heart for America. I feel that Cornel West is in the same boat. Both of these people are narcissistic, academic aristocrats with their chin in the air. Dr. West is a prominent member of the Democratic Socialists of America which doesn’t surprise me much. He is also the head of the Center for African American Studies at Princeton. I am not sure what significance a dept of African American studies has in a university but he seems to have ridden that horse pretty successfully. He was born in Tulsa, OK, the evangelical capital of the world and while at Harvard, was the Alphonse Fletcher University Professor until he left in 2001 to go to Princeton where he has been ever since. that same chair is occupied by the infamous Dr. Gates of beer summit fame. Dr.West, similar to other tenured professors at East coast academic institutions seems to believe himself a cut above the average person, as he thinks we really give a good tinker’s damn about how he feels about Bozo. They are both sorry excuses for Americans, West probably being the worst. At least West admits he is a socialist.
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
7:31 pm
” it is for that reason that I said what I did about countering it whenever it peeks out its ugly little head in the most seemingly innocuous situations”
Yes, but when you say this: “it is more pragmatic to err on the side of being wrong…” you are comeing down on the side of “it’s better that an inncent man dies than a guilty man goes free”
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
7:34 pm
To jay’s point, as the son of a woman who barely escaped the holocaust, I always shake my head when one of the know-nothings here uses terms like Hitler/Nazi so cavalierly. As if they have the slightest inkling of what they speak.
Pathetic with a capital P.
And josef, I know you made this inquiry, some hours ago, but did any of our illustrious cons explain exactly how BHO “threw Israel under the bus”?
Did a single one of them provide ANY links, facts or quotes at all?
F. Sinkwich
May 19th, 2011
7:34 pm
“If you can’t MAKE IT as a country, a soverign country, without the protection/money of another country, then maybe it’s time you get out of the business?????”
Yo, Finn, you would have fit right in Germany 70 years ago.
Pathetic.
They BOTH suck
May 19th, 2011
7:36 pm
@AMVet
“but did any of our illustrious cons explain exactly how BHO “threw Israel under the bus”?”
I guess if you state a seldom said but long standing US policy than that is throwing Israel under the bus…….. at least in their minds it is
Mary Elizabeth
May 19th, 2011
7:39 pm
Themistocles @ 12:53 p.m.
“Mary Elizabeth: ‘But Obama did get the healthcare package through Congress into law – no president in 50 years had been able to do that and I again say that he got the best deal he could have.’
I completely disagree. While it’s a good thing that a plan was passed, the plan itself left much to be desired. The president could have gotten much better had he practiced those acts of presidential leadership I cited above from the Kuttner article.
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Themistocles, I must disagree with you on this. Hindsight is easy; pulling off making any national healthcare bill into law had never been accomplished by any president at any time. Obama did it.
Give the man credit. He did it – regardless of what my opinion is or yours is.
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
7:40 pm
AmVet
I think I’m up to speed now!
Doggone
Still, erring on the side of pragmatism does not imply “killing” the innocent man. That’s why I said what I did about the ultimate extreme and erring on the side of pragmatism before it gets to that point..
DAVE
The bottom line is that the state of Israel’s most vociferous enemies are bent on it and its people’s utter destruction and say so as a matter of policy.
Question:
Has Obama called for dialogue with Hezbollah and/or Hamas?
And who knows what under the table deal he’s cut with Bibi, but the last big interview he gave, Tar Baby Netanyahu was smiling and not saying nothin’, so I don’t think right now there’s a briar patch in the state of Israel’s future…
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
7:40 pm
“guess if you state a seldom said but long standing US policy than that is throwing Israel under the bus…….. at least in their minds it is”
Of course. You’re forgetting that the world began on Jan 20, 2009.
Mighty Righty
May 19th, 2011
7:42 pm
TaxPayer
May 19th, 2011
7:10 pm
And in 1936 the unemployment rate was 110%. What the hell does unemployment in 1982 have to do with anything? Wasn’t that when Billy Beer was a big deal?
Obama will not have a second term if he doesn’t turn this economy around! The one we wre in, not the one in 1982!
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
7:43 pm
“Still, erring on the side of pragmatism does not imply “killing” the innocent man. That’s why I said what I did about the ultimate extreme and erring on the side of pragmatism before it gets to that point”
But if you “err” on the side of pragmatism, then you are saying the same thing I am…I think. That it’s better to be SURE before you act. If that is not what you mean, then like it or not, you HAVE said it’s better to attack an innocent man. That question only references dying as poetic exageration. You can substitute any word you like.
Is it better to torture an innocent man; is it better to imprison an innocent man; is it better to shun an innocent man…where ever you want to go with it.
TaxPayer
May 19th, 2011
7:43 pm
Yo, Finn, you would have fit right in Germany 70 years ago.
“Pathetic” does not even begin to describe Sinkwich’s comment.
TaxPayer
May 19th, 2011
7:46 pm
Mighty Righty,
I believe you brought up unemployment rate. Are you now trying to set some inane rules of debate that require one not use past president’s performances during recessionary periods, etc. If that is your game, I suppose you should just take your ball and go home because I will not play it.
Southern Comfort
May 19th, 2011
7:47 pm
Mighty Righty
Don’t bet too hard on that drinking challenge. I used to do shots of Everclear.
When comparing the unemployment levels between Bush and Obama, I think it’s better to measure the difference in the changes as opposed to the average percentage. Obama started off much higher than Bush and peaked over 10%. For Obama to average lower than Bush, he would have to lower unemployment to an extremely low number like 2% or something. It’s a lot simpler than what people think.
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
Looking at those numbers, any attempt to average them would always favor Bush since the average would be the sum of all numbers divided by the total numbers added. When the highest percentage under Bush is lower than the lowest number under Obama, there’s no way possible for Obama to have a lower average.
If you wanted to measure the difference in movement to date, that would be a better comparison, although I think the economic conditions of this recession is far more reaching than the recession Bush walked into. Any other comparisons, I think, would have to wait for Obama to at least finish his term. Otherwise, we’re just playing tiddlywinks.
Mary Elizabeth
May 19th, 2011
7:50 pm
Paulo977 @ 2:04
“Obama wanted a public option within the healthcare plan. He should not have had to waste so much time just fighting for its passage against an intransigent Republican body” I agree with you Mary Elizabeth … Obama has had to work for
what is right in shackles !!! Even many Democrats are too heavily invested in the corporate world to support him 100%!! That he has managed to accomplish even what he has is fantastic. His vision is still viable!”
__________________________________
Very well said, Paulo, and I agree with you, too!
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
7:51 pm
Doggone
I understand the poetic reference…that’s why I was running with it…but, again, surity is at best nebulous. Would that we could, in these ugly little head situations, have the same surity we have with an Ahmadenijad…counseling surity is easier when for “them” than it is when for “us,” whoever those them and us may be.
kayaker 71
May 19th, 2011
7:52 pm
Bozo appears ready to foist his failed stimulus fiasco on Egypt after stating that he will be giving a billion dollars to Egypt to “help them with unemployment issues”. It didn’t work here Bozo….. what makes you think that it will work in Egypt. A billion dollars…. wonder what that do for an education program for disadvantaged black youth that seems intent on killing themselves?
F. Sinkwich
May 19th, 2011
7:54 pm
TP, by his comments we all know Finn hates Jews.
I agree, that’s pathetic
Southern Comfort
May 19th, 2011
7:59 pm
dB
I’ll bite. I think West has a valid point when he talks about the lack of pointing out the corruption among the people responsible for the economic collapse. Where I think West falls off the tracks is by thinking one man is going to go in and throw the brakes and stop a speeding locomotive in a matter of 100 yards. Any changes that may/will come from our corrupt political system will be gradual. Any attempt to confront things head on will more than likely lead to a serious power struggle, and I don’t think the small people have the means to fight deep pocketed individuals/companies.
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
8:00 pm
“but, again, surity is at best nebulous.”
Sure, that’s true of just about any situation, but when you are surrounded by enemies what you CAN do is set up your defenses so that – as nearly as possible – it is your REAL enemies who will attempt to surmount them.
That is, to a great extent, what is behind the story I told several days about about Chuck Norris. Just to refresh your memory (if you saw it, or to introduce it if you didn’t): Norris was sitting in a bar and a somewhat drunk lout called him out to fight. Norris just sat there and said (can’t quote exactly) “I can take you, and you know I can take you…so why not sit down and have a beer instead?”
It is THAT kind of defense that makes it clear who is truly an enemy and who isn’t. Even if the enemy chooses to sit down and have that beer, he has put himself in a weaker position than if he’d remained standing.
Jack
May 19th, 2011
8:00 pm
I thought race was a Tucker thing.
TaxPayer
May 19th, 2011
8:00 pm
TP, by his comments we all know Finn hates Jews.
I must have missed that particular “pathetic” comment. Could you point out where he stated that he hates Jews.
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
8:01 pm
SoCo
Straight shots of Everclear! Yo! Remind me never to get into a drinking contest with YOU!
Going afield here, but…the point I was trying to make about countering the soft anti Semitism that comes from friends and the hard anti Semitism that comes from the foes. (And no, Doggone, this should NOT be read as charging YOU, but someone else who is the one who brought it up) We can see how easy it has been for those countering the “hard” anti Semitism coming through and how difficult it has been to address the “soft” kind…
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
8:03 pm
Doggone
An interesting point there and I will have to give it some thought…
Southern Comfort
May 19th, 2011
8:04 pm
josef
Per the analogy earlier, that’s about the most accurate way I could think of to describe Israel’s responses to attacks so far. They clearly have superior firepower and personnel, however, they’ve only responded enough to let others know that they will not take things lying down. There is no turning of the cheek. I’ve begun to notice that where we used to export technology for military/police to Israel, now they’re exporting things here to us.
As far as the Everclear thing, I’ve never said that I’m incapable of reduced logic in decision making.
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
8:05 pm
SoCo
“Where I think West falls off the tracks is by thinking one man is going to go in and throw the brakes and stop a speeding locomotive in a matter of 100 yards”
Yep. As you and I have said before, would that he WERE as powerful as friend and foe alike want to see him…
F. Sinkwich
May 19th, 2011
8:06 pm
“If you can’t MAKE IT as a country, a soverign country, without the protection/money of another country, then maybe it’s time you get out of the business?????”
That one, TP? Finn wants them GONE.
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
8:08 pm
“We can see how easy it has been for those countering the “hard” anti Semitism coming through and how difficult it has been to address the “soft” kind”
I wouldn’t argue with this. I grew up in Pennsylvania and I won’t try to speak for how it is there now, but when I grew up there was just that sort of “soft” bigotry about black people.
After I’d been in the South a few years, it became clear to me that it was easier to deal with the “hard” bigotry of people who seemed proud of that bigotry, than it is to deal with people who deny it exists…but who demonstrate it anyway.
And generally, that “soft” bigotry tends to start with something like “I’m not prejudiced but….”
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
8:08 pm
“Yo, Finn, you would have fit right in Germany 70 years ago”
Sadly, he would have. And so would most of the rest of us. Self included.
Mighty Righty
May 19th, 2011
8:12 pm
Mary Elizabeth
May 19th, 2011
7:39 pm
Obamacare cost the Democrats the House of Representatives and will probably cost Obama the White House. Worse, it is more than likely the plan will be completely thrown out either by the courts or by the Republicans in 2013. Right now, Democrats are running from the plan as fast as they can. Unions, teachers, businesses getting hundreds of waivers, most of them loudly endorsed the plan prior to passage. Now that they know what the true cost of the plan is, they want no part of it. Obama may yet achieve something meaningful before he is removed from office, but now it appears his legacy will be a bill passed under cover of darkness, behind closed doors,in secret with dishonest accounting, by Representatives who didn’t know what was in it. The fact that Obamacare is being put forth as Obama’s greatest achievement delineates the lack of success of this Administration.
Southern Comfort
May 19th, 2011
8:12 pm
We can see how easy it has been for those countering the “hard” anti Semitism coming through and how difficult it has been to address the “soft” kind…
I think that’s because for us to address the “soft” kind, we have to take a look inside of ourselves, and not everyone is happy with who they are. It takes guts to admit shortcomings and work to overcome them. Most people choose to ignore them instead of trying to better themselves. It’s all a part of our instant gratification lifestyle. It’s easier and faster to ignore a problem as opposed to working hard to overcome it.
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
8:13 pm
Doggone
And, some of my best friends are…
But, yes, that is the point…
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
8:14 pm
SoCo
@ 8:12
Now, just who ARE you talkin’ about, Willis?
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
8:15 pm
“It’s easier and faster to ignore a problem as opposed to working hard to overcome it.”
Yes, it is. You have to be aware enough to realize your own prejudices before you can try to correct them in others. I’ve long thought that is what is behind Jesus admonition that his way is hard. Not that the tenets he taught are difficult, but because coming to realize that to follow them we must change is hard.
Mary Elizabeth
May 19th, 2011
8:16 pm
Mighty Righty @ 8:12
I simply disagree.
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
8:18 pm
Mary Elizabeth, what exactly do you disagree with? Everything? A particular point Mighty Righty made? What?
The only way we move ANY discussion forward is to know what our differences are.
Hillbilly Deluxe
May 19th, 2011
8:20 pm
I almost hate to ask this but I’ve not seen the news today and don’t want to wade back through the comments, did something actually happen today, in reference to Israel? Or did things just get off on a sidebar?
Southern Comfort
May 19th, 2011
8:20 pm
josef
I looked inside, and that summab*tch gave me the finger!!
Seriously, I’m constantly trying to be wary of how I treat others in respect to how I wish to be treated. I know there are some who will not see beyond my melanin to understand who I am, and I’m cool with that. I have my own prejudices, jackassery first and foremost, that I’m still working to overcome.
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
8:21 pm
SoCo
That import of technology thingie…a lot of folks have missed that one…that and intelligence…increasingly we are needing them more than they need us, and I think the President understands that better than the rest of us…
Southern Comfort
May 19th, 2011
8:23 pm
HD
Obama gave a speech where he talked about the ME.
Rudy
May 19th, 2011
8:23 pm
@Good Little Liberal You do know that TRUE Liberals believe that not all Muslims are “extremists”. So I will question whether you are a Liberal or are you a teabagger posing as a Liberal. Anyways, the President supports only Arab Nations that are working toward Democracy or liberation from dictatorship, such as, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Jordan and Yemen. As for Israel, Obama supports both countries, but Israel seems to be more resistant toward any real comprise with the Palestinians and choose instead to bomb indiscriminately toward the country, killing innocent men, women and children. While Bush used to give them a pass on that mess, Obama is not going to give that luxury to them.
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
8:24 pm
Hillbilly
The President called for negotiations relative to the pre-1967 frontiers…he’s in the process of outlining the United States policies vis a vis the State of Israel and getting the peace talks back on track…
SoCo
Yep. Same here!
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
8:28 pm
RUDY
Who’s bombing indescriminately killing men, women and children? Hamas and Hezbollah. And GLL? A poser… and don’t delude yourself, President Obama will continue with the United States policies…
Mighty Righty
May 19th, 2011
8:29 pm
Israel is the ONLY country in the Middle East that we can trust. It would be very very foolish for the United States to do anything but support them 100%. Israel is a very small country surounded by enemies that want to exterminte them. The only thing that has prevented Israel’s extermination so far is the knowledge by their enemies that if attacked the United States would come to the aid of Israel. If the Obama Administration even hints that the U.S. would not intervene, there will be war the consequences of which would be catastrophic. Obama is playing a very dangerous game with his less than enthusiastic support of Israel. Muslims are not our friends. Jews are. Bank it.
Bruno
May 19th, 2011
8:29 pm
So how is the Rapture party coming along, guys??
I’ll leave the obvious REM song alone, and kick it off with this number instead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI6sBdA99c8
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
8:31 pm
“As for Israel, Obama supports both countries, but Israel seems to be more resistant toward any real comprise with the Palestinians and choose instead to bomb indiscriminately toward the country, killing innocent men, women and children.”
Yeah, we all know that the Israeli’s are known far and wide for bombing innocent people.
“While Bush used to give them a pass on that mess, Obama is not going to give that luxury to them.”
It is NOT Hope & Punt’s ™ “luxury” to give them. What do you think would happen if Israel told us how we were to handle our internal issues?
The ARROGANCE of some people!
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
8:31 pm
Some interesting facts.
Make of them what you will…
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
Hillbilly Deluxe
May 19th, 2011
8:32 pm
SoCo, josef
Thanks. Haven’t heard the speech, so I don’t have a comment at this point. Negotiations are good but it takes two (or more) to tango, so to speak.
USMC
May 19th, 2011
8:33 pm
“Just like the US shouldn’t be turned over to the Native Americans.”–Adam
Every country in the history of the world has been founded by the displacement of indigenous people.
The few groups of savages here in North America would have SLAUGHTERED your Marxist A$$.
So while there are some wonderful descendants of the Indians, the early tribes were slaughtering each other and by no means were living in a perfectly “lovely” world.
We, Americans, formed this great country of ours. You should go overseas and experience other countries before you start your “blame America First” drivel
moonbat betty
May 19th, 2011
8:33 pm
everyone who blogs here is going to hell on Saturday.
adios.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmLXHjuyg0c&feature=fvw
and France wants their louisiana purchase back.
that was a flat out steal!
give it back!
Mighty Righty
May 19th, 2011
8:33 pm
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
8:28 pm
You have a lot more confidence in Obama than I have. He should make it very clear, that while we favor negotiations let there be no doubt we will defend Israel.
AmVet
May 19th, 2011
8:38 pm
Bruno, this on-theme (kinda) classic still rings true…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zs2DCA9W7s&feature=fvst
Southern Comfort
May 19th, 2011
8:39 pm
Gonna bounce out for the evening….
Catch y’all later.
Mary Elizabeth
May 19th, 2011
8:39 pm
Dave R @ 8:18
“Mary Elizabeth, what exactly do you disagree with? Everything? A particular point Mighty Righty made? What?
The only way we move ANY discussion forward is to know what our differences are.”
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I don’t care to move the discussion forward with you or with Mighty Righty this evening, Dave. And that is my perogative. In my opinion, Mighty Righty’s words at 8:12 were all his opinion.
The only way we will know – for certain – of the future viability of the Healthcare Law and of the success of the Obama presidency is to wait and to see how the future will unfold regarding both issues.
And, now, I will bid all a very good night after a lovely day.
USMC
May 19th, 2011
8:41 pm
But seriously though, Cornel West?
CORNEL WEST IS A R@CI$T CUM-LAUDE
Are we surprised?
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
8:41 pm
“everyone who blogs here is going to hell on Saturday.”
Including you?
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
8:41 pm
“Jay Bookman article for tomorrow:
Cornel West will not win the republican primary.”
moonbat betty
May 19th, 2011
8:42 pm
Jay Bookman article for tomorrow:
Cornel West will not win the republican primary.
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
8:44 pm
moonbat
Je me souviens, aussi!
USMC
The Indians and slaughtering each other…Unmentionable gets tickled by those who he calls the “whoo whoo people” who idealize the pre-Columbian Indians…”we weren’t the nicest bunch that ever was…”
Hillbilly
What I have heard from it has been pretty much the same old same old…old whine in new bottles…
AmVet
You don’t want to go there with me…
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
8:46 pm
Dave R. and moonbat betty have just entered the twilight zone, where Dave R. can laugh uproariously at a joke that moonbat betty hasn’t made yet . . .
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
8:47 pm
Going to hell? If Sartre was right, we’re already there on the blog!
getalife
May 19th, 2011
8:48 pm
We will see obl and saddam.
Awkward.
Mighty Righty
May 19th, 2011
8:48 pm
I hate it the world is ending this week end. I’ve got things to do. Any chance we’ll be here on Monday?
Mighty Righty
May 19th, 2011
8:49 pm
Mary Elizabeth
May 19th, 2011
8:39 pm
Agree.
moonbat betty
May 19th, 2011
8:51 pm
how’d you do that??
up is down, down is up?
its Bookman blogging zone…for a couple more days
Bruno
May 19th, 2011
8:51 pm
If you want to know honestly what Blacks were thinking, many of US were thinking that finally a man would be judged by something other than the melanin content of his skin. In reality, it seems like nothing about Obama can be discussed without eventually his race becoming part of the issue
SC–You’re sounding more and more like a conservative everyday. Welcome to the big tent, brother!!
Seriously, though, this never-ending focus on race comes more than 90% from the Left, in my opinion. It is the Left who supports race-based policies such as Affirmative Action and Hate Crimes legislation. Certainly an argument can be made that this “group” or that “group” was mistreated in the past and deserves extra help/protection today as just compensation. But whether such special treatment is justified or not, the end result of race-based policies is a fractured, segmented society. That’s why, to me, conservative efforts to remove race as a consideration in college admissions and in hiring policies makes the most sense. The only way to move beyond race is to actually move beyond race.
USMC
May 19th, 2011
8:51 pm
“The Indians and slaughtering each other…Unmentionable gets tickled by those who he calls the “whoo whoo people” who idealize the pre-Columbian Indians…”we weren’t the nicest bunch that ever was…””
Josef, don’t you tease me about getting tickled.
And “we” weren’t some singular organized group as a whole when Europeans founded America. There were many different groups initially discovering the continent and fighting for control of America. “We” evolved over time into this great nation of ours.
But I will not go head to head with Josef Nix, aka- The SCHOOL Master.
Because I always get spanked
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
8:52 pm
“We will see obl and saddam.
Awkward.”
That’s why I’m keeping extra goats near me, for when I go, they’re going with me.
Those b@stards aren’t going to mistake ME for a freakin’ virgin . . .
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Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
8:55 pm
Mary Elizabeth: “Themistocles, I must disagree with you on this. Hindsight is easy; pulling off making any national healthcare bill into law had never been accomplished by any president at any time. Obama did it.”
Hi ME, I think we may be talking past each other. Looked at from a historical standpoint, of course, there’s no question that the reform was a huge accomplishment for Obama, and I credit him for that. It’s just that I believe that Obama (or more accurately, his team). My point is simply that it was his maddening tendency to accept a drastically narrowed field of possible action way too early, and then he compounded it by remaining so aloof throughout the process, thereby making even the rather modest plan it was much more difficult to get through than it should have been.
Bottom line: I disagree with you about his desire for, and commitment to, a public option. I tend to think it was kept on by the president as a bargaining chip, to be tossed out as a gesture of good will, at a certain key point later in the process. Instead, I of course believe that should have been the centerpiece and the sine qua non of the whole reform. But that’s me.
stands for decibels
May 19th, 2011
8:56 pm
Where I think West falls off the tracks is by thinking one man is going to go in and throw the brakes and stop a speeding locomotive in a matter of 100 yards.
I don’t really get that from West, but I do think he falls into the category of, perhaps, somewhat wishful thinkers.
I’ve said it before, but anyone who read his book (Obama! you magnificent bast@rd! I read your book!), Audacity of Hope, shouldn’t be surprised by how he governed. But I’m not going to sit here and tell anyone, especially African-Americans, that they were wrong to have perhaps expected a bit more.
Hillbilly Deluxe
May 19th, 2011
8:56 pm
Another perspective on the “economic recovery”.
http://www.startribune.com/nation/122191509.html
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
8:56 pm
“Any chance we’ll be here on Monday?”
For what it’s worth…there was a news report last week about an atheist group offering to take care of the pets of the believers.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
9:01 pm
Hi Mary Elizabeth, re: that fragment, yikes, hate it when I do that.
That was supposed to read: It’s just that I believe that Obama (or more accurately, his team) seemed to be so willing to settle from the get-go for something greatly diminished from what was originally envisioned that it really made you wonder what was really motivating them.
Mighty Righty
May 19th, 2011
9:01 pm
Speaking of Indians. I like a lot of other people in these here parts am part Indian. My paternal great,great grandmother was a Black Foot. The government gave her some land and took it back when they found out there was oil on it. Didn’t matter, she didn’t know what to do with it anyway. She grew up on a Reservation that is too poor to have a Casino.
stands for decibels
May 19th, 2011
9:02 pm
“Yo, Finn, you would have fit right in Germany 70 years ago”
Sadly, he would have. And so would most of the rest of us. Self included.
wow. Harsh. and, sadly, more accurate than I want to believe.
Think I’ll watch Rachel and hope for some sunshine, lollipops and rainbows awhile… later, all.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 19th, 2011
9:05 pm
I don’t know how Cornel West could yank Obama’s credentials as a black man. He’s not a black man, he’s a Mulatto. He’s also a man with Muslim influence during his formative years. His Muslim bias showed up in his speech that included suggesting that Israel should roll back their borders to 1967 levels without any reciprocating concessions from Hamas.
Bruno
May 19th, 2011
9:12 pm
For what it’s worth…there was a news report last week about an atheist group offering to take care of the pets of the believers.
Two funniest bumper stickers I saw at a pagan gathering:
It’s YOUR Hell, you live in it.
and
Born OK the first time.
(Don’t get offended, HD
)
Mighty Righty
May 19th, 2011
9:13 pm
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
8:56 pm
“Any chance we’ll be here on Monday?”
For what it’s worth…there was a news report last week about an atheist group offering to take care of the pets of the believers.
I thought this whole thing was foretold by the Mayans! I don’t know any Mayans. Maybe if someone out there knows a Mayan maybe he could give us a heads up on what to expect. I don’t feel good about getting advice from an Atheist. I don’t want my future in the hands of a pessimist.
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2011
9:13 pm
“I thought this whole thing was foretold by the Mayans!”
Nope, the Mayan date is 12/21/2012
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
9:13 pm
USMC
No spankings for you!
But more seriously, one of Unmentionable’s comments to those he calls the Trail of Crocodile Tears people, “if Ole Chris and Luis de Torres hadn’t landed, Josef and I would never have met, so all in all, all’s well that ends well…”
Mighty Righty
Long story and I won’t go into it here…but Great Aunt Ada was in the Oklahoma land run…she staked out a plot identified by her Cherokee beau whom she married…turned out to be in the oil patch…according to the deal the Cherokee worked out with Phillips, X number of the board of directors had to be Cherokee citizens…their son was and he sat on the board…all’s well that ends well as they say…
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
9:13 pm
Recon: “His Muslim bias showed up in his speech that included suggesting that Israel should roll back their borders to 1967 levels without any reciprocating concessions from Hamas.”
Really? So what “Muslim bias” motivated Bill Clinton to hold the same view back in the 90s?
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
9:14 pm
“I don’t know how Cornel West could yank Obama’s credentials as a black man. He’s not a black man, he’s a Mulatto.”
Recon, c’mon, man. Move on fer cryin’ out loud.
Mick
May 19th, 2011
9:14 pm
Gee recon, seems like you know the mind of obama pretty damn personally, have any recent conversations with him about his muslim bias?
Bruno
May 19th, 2011
9:16 pm
I can probably deal with this kind of Rapture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sebnVpAGNU
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 19th, 2011
9:17 pm
Themisdideocles, Bill Clinton never came out in a public speech calling on Israel to roll back their borders to pre-1967 war levels. I don’t think Clinton held or holds a bias favoring or disfavoring Muslims.
Bruno
May 19th, 2011
9:21 pm
Heard this one on the radio today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv7y6PKEYms
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 19th, 2011
9:27 pm
Dave R. move on or move away from a fact?
mick, I only interpret his meanings from what he says in public, perhaps you have access to some other method.
Hillbilly Deluxe
May 19th, 2011
9:28 pm
What if when the Mayans were working on their calender, it was getting late in the day and somebody says, “2012 is a long time away; this is good enough for now, let’s go home and somebody can finish this later”?
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
9:28 pm
Recon, my point of course was that the pre-’67 borders, together with “land swaps”, was a central assumption of the peace process under Bill Clinton and even under George W. Bush.
So why is returning to this central assumption suddenly evidence of “Muslim bias” or favoritism towards the Palestinians, or “throwing Israel under the bus”, or whatever you want to call it?
Besides, Obama bent over backwards in the speech to give Israel room to pull completely out of any continuation of the “peace process” due to the problematic developments with Hamas, etc. Did that part of the speech not get heard?
Mighty Righty
May 19th, 2011
9:28 pm
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
9:13 pm
USMC
Mighty Righty
Long story and I won’t go into it here…but Great Aunt Ada was in the Oklahoma land run…she staked out a plot identified by her Cherokee beau whom she married…turned out to be in the oil patch…according to the deal the Cherokee worked out with Phillips, X number of the board of directors had to be Cherokee citizens…their son was and he sat on the board…all’s well that ends well as they say
My Grandmothers land was in Oklahoma. Your relative may be the scoundrel that beat my poor old granny out of her land.
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
9:28 pm
Move on, Recon. YOU don’t get to decide what Hope & Punt ™ is to be considered – black, white, mulatto or freakin’ green.
HE does.
They BOTH suck
May 19th, 2011
9:29 pm
Recon
Than how do you interpret that Israel is getting no less aid or being sold any less technology since Obama took office?
Dave R.
May 19th, 2011
9:32 pm
Look, I’m bothered when ANY sovereign nation tries to tell another sovereign nation how they should handle a particular problem within their borders. As if WE know what’s best for ourselves, let alone anyone else. I have a bigger problem when anyone tries to suggest anything to Israel. Their history is one that gets them a bit more leeway in how they handle their own issues.
But I’m really tired of inbred, syrup-sucking, stump-jumpers who continue to foist their narrow-minded racial views onto others. Or their morality.
Offense intended!
Mighty Righty
May 19th, 2011
9:36 pm
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
9:13 pm
If you havn’t done it, visit New Echota in Gordon, County. About a mile off of 75N at HWY 225 Exit. Was the Cherokee capital.
Mighty Righty
May 19th, 2011
9:36 pm
Bye
TaxPayer
May 19th, 2011
9:38 pm
What if when the Mayans were working on their calender, it was getting late in the day and somebody says, “2012 is a long time away; this is good enough for now, let’s go home and somebody can finish this later”?
Word is that they only had one calendar maker and he called in sick with chicken pox or some such ailment the day after going to greet some oddly dressed newcomers to the temple.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 19th, 2011
9:39 pm
“Move on, Recon. YOU don’t get to decide what Hope & Punt ™ is to be considered – black, white, mulatto or freakin’ green.
HE does.”
Of course not, I don’t, he doesn’t and neither do you because the facts make that determination.
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
9:41 pm
Mighty
Don’t know about that…but an Indian wound up with it…her husband! All’s well that ends well!
Now, on the other hand, one ancestor of mine lot 13 and another one in the low 200s in the Cherokee lottery…lots that low definitely speak to scoundrelry! One of them’s son picked up a nice chunk of land in the Chickasaw Cessions…
Mick
May 19th, 2011
9:42 pm
I’m really tired of inbred, syrup-sucking, stump-jumpers who continue to foist their narrow-minded racial views onto others. Or their morality.
That’s some nifty word craft goin on there dave r, maybe you ain’t half bad…
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
9:43 pm
Mighty Righty…
Take most of our out of town tourist guests up to New Echota…they’re doing a bang up job with that! Talk about attention to detail in reconstructing a site! Amazing…
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
9:45 pm
DAVE
Watch it with that inbred stuff…I’ll fatwah yo a33!
Mick
May 19th, 2011
9:46 pm
hd
Here’s a good read concerning the forgotten unemployed-
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/05/has-the-media-totally-forgotten-about-the-unemployed/239048/
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
9:48 pm
Hillbilly
That read on economic recovery was certainly worth the visit…thanks for the link…
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 19th, 2011
9:49 pm
Themococcolus, He effectively bowed out of the peace process by giving a little something to Hamas by suggesting Israel should make a significant concession, while simply saying Hamas should be nice without any specific admonishment directed toward them. Obama is a light weight in about every area of the presidency.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 19th, 2011
9:57 pm
“But I’m really tired of inbred, syrup-sucking, stump-jumpers who continue to foist their narrow-minded racial views onto others. Or their morality.
Offense intended!”
Well now aren’t you the moral one filled with self important sanctimony who determines a statement of fact has a racial overtone. Offense intended.
josef nix
May 19th, 2011
9:57 pm
okay…time to go ogle Anderson Cooper and claim I’m staying informed…
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
10:01 pm
Adam:
I agree. Now shouldn’t the same be said of Israel. What they have they have !!!
They BOTH suck :
It’s a guess ……… but I think he “may” have a different father and or they were not married.
moonbat betty
May 19th, 2011
10:05 pm
“I’m really tired of inbred, syrup-sucking, stump-jumpers who continue to foist their narrow-minded racial views onto others. Or their morality.”
oye, sorry to break up your black panther party…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1hHW6rEJO0
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
10:06 pm
“As Americans have been seared by hostage taking, violent rhetoric, and terrorist attacks that have killed thousands of our citizens – a failure to change our approach [in the Middle East] threatens a deepening spiral of division between the United States and Muslim communities,” Mr Obama added.”
No doubt in my mind anymore.
Outwardly he claimis to be a Christian ……….. inwardly he is a Muslim.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
10:12 pm
Recon: “Obama is a light weight in about every area of the presidency.”
Really? You sure about that one Recon?
Bruno
May 19th, 2011
10:15 pm
moonbat betty–you’re on a roll tonight!
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 19th, 2011
10:16 pm
“Outwardly he claimis to be a Christian ……….. inwardly he is a Muslim.”
1811, he was certainly brought up a Muslim during his formative years. I don’t think he really has a spiritual belief, I think he has an ideological belief that drives him. If he worships anything it’s self worship and his devotion is to change America into what you, me and the majority of Americans do not want.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
May 19th, 2011
10:17 pm
Well, give me a choice between Jews and Towelheads and I won’t make a choice.
Not that I’m prejudiced or anything.
Have a good night everybody.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
10:18 pm
josef:
Did you ever get back to me on President Husseins statement about pre-1967 borders?
When are you out of teaching for the summer?
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
10:20 pm
“Clinton gets grilled by Couric”
“The CBS anchor asks why unrest necessitates U.S. intervention in Libya but not in Syria.”
These are simple answers:
We get involved in places like Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and smaller countries because “on paper” we can kick their a**,
We don’t get involved in countries like China, North Korea and Iran becasue we can’t kick their a**,
THIS IS NOT BRAIN SURGERY.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 19th, 2011
10:21 pm
“Really? You sure about that one Recon?”
Good one…yeah, I’m afraid I am. I like your style, though we disagree LWM, you have class.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
May 19th, 2011
10:23 pm
“FBI Agents irked by plan to keep Mueller”
“Some say the FBI director imposed term limits on hundreds but is failing to abide by his own tenure limits.”
Well no kidding ………….”don’t do as I do, do as I say”.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
10:25 pm
Recon: “f he worships anything it’s self worship and his devotion is to change America into what you, me and the majority of Americans do not want.”
In terms of turning America into something you don’t want, he’s got lots of help from me and people like me. As for what the majority wants, well, guess you can tell by the reaction to Paul Ryan’s budget how much up for grabs that one is. But I can’t say I think our side is entirely losing out in that fight.
Besides, all we have to do is hammer away at you with ads showing Newt Gingrich speaking the truth about Ryan’s radical plans for America – and I think that ought to help us out in the elections coming up. Say, just why is your side feverishly backpedaling away from the Medicare dismantling?
Was just wondering …
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 19th, 2011
10:27 pm
Recon, thanks. I try.
Jefferson
May 19th, 2011
10:28 pm
1967 has been on the table since 1968, grow up. I though you wanted transparency.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 19th, 2011
10:34 pm
“We don’t get involved in countries like China, North Korea and Iran becasue we can’t kick their a**,”
Well actually we can but we prefer paddy cake wars, which began back in Korea and we’ve perfected the paddy cake war philosophy over the years. Vietnam was a great paddy cake war, where we actually learned how to help our adversary gain the upper hand even though they were losing the war. It appears that we will really out do ourselves in paddy cake warfare when we have to leave Iraq to the Iranians and Afghanistan to the Pakistani Taliban. The big problem with paddy cake warfare is how it kills are people for no gain and wastes our money.
md
May 19th, 2011
10:44 pm
Paddy cake wars……pretty much how I see them too……but I usually refer to them as the 20 questions wars……..we force our boys to ask 20 questions prior to using their weapons but we all know that they never get to finish the list…………
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
May 19th, 2011
10:57 pm
“we force our boys to ask 20 questions prior to using their weapons but we all know that they never get to finish the list…………”
Ah yes, the rules of engagement…they’re essential to paddy cake warfare, because without them we just might win and politicians would have nothing to argue about or point fingers at in order to enhance their political image.
Yippee
May 19th, 2011
11:04 pm
Well, when Herman Cain beat Newt in posts on here it was said he was legitimate, and I agree that Herman is legit, regardless of how the opposition party tries to frame things for us “cons”. We knows what we knows. But with Cornell racking up over 800 so far, well…
I guess it is about time for the Reverend Millionman March Farrakhan to step into the spotlight.
BTW-Cornell is a legend in his own mind and that is about as far as it goes for me.
On a much more important note: I sure am glad Lauren Alana made it to the American Idol finals, not because she is cute and talented, but more importantly, if she had been eliminated, my menopausal wife would have been hard to live with for the next few weeks. My goodness, my wife gets hotteranhell lately, but in a different way
Yippee
May 19th, 2011
11:06 pm
OBAMA: U.S. must ‘change approach’ to bridge division with Muslims..
I wonder if it has ever occured to Obogey that maybe, just maybe, the Muslims must change their approach to bridge the division with America?!? (note that one is a religion, the other a country)
Tommy Maddox
May 19th, 2011
11:37 pm
Amen Yippee. Let them build a bridge.
USinUK
May 20th, 2011
6:35 am
happy Friday!! hope everyone is enjoying their last day on earth!
Dave R.
May 20th, 2011
6:47 am
“hope everyone is enjoying their last day on earth!”
And to you, too, USinUK.
Be prepared to continue the Middle East discussion this thread morphed into yesterday. I think Jay has been working on some more tortured logic to try to prop up Hope & Punt’s ™ Palestinian initiative.
josef nix
May 20th, 2011
6:53 am
USinUK
Question since you deal with the time zone thingie a lot….are there TWO Armageddons? I mean, when it’s today in Atlanta, it’s tomorrow in Hong Kong, or do I have that backward? I’m so confused…
Y’all have a nice day…so, it’s off to work I go…one more week and then it’s sorry, low-down, good-for-nothing, made in the shade time…! Well, for a few days anyway…workshop here, workshop there, meeting here, meeting there…this report, that report…but I’ll think about that once we get past lights out…
stands for decibels
May 20th, 2011
6:55 am
Mornin’, Dave & UnU.
Also, philosopher kings and queens, working class heroes, progressive utopians with no sense of humor, and lurking conservatives.
Dave R.
May 20th, 2011
6:56 am
josef, I think once Armageddon starts, it’s kinda like a rolling, never ending thing. One beginning, and no end.
At least that’s what I’ve been led to believe . . .
USinUK
May 20th, 2011
6:57 am
Joltin’ Jo Nix – you know, I was wondering the same thing!
But, then again, I think the International Date Line is “hey baby, you got it going on!!”
USinUK
May 20th, 2011
6:58 am
Good morning Big Wave Dave!!
I’ll go ahead and say it now – I agree with the Palestinian initiative – 2 states. Pre-war boundaries.
(go ahead, pelt me with falafel … )
stands for decibels
May 20th, 2011
6:59 am
What does this say about us that we’re back on the blog at 6:47 and 6:55 respectively?
light traffic?
Dave R.
May 20th, 2011
6:59 am
Mornin’ stands!
What does this say about us that we’re back on the blog at 6:47 and 6:55 respectively?
Nothing good, I’m sure.
USinUK
May 20th, 2011
7:00 am
and a big howdy to my partner in crime, dB!!
I hope everyone starts hitting the birfday cake NOW to celebrate that glorious day, the day of my birth (after all, if the world ends tomorrow, might as well have cake today!!)
stands for decibels
May 20th, 2011
7:03 am
Oh dear, where are my manners. Happy 29th, UnU, you sexy thang!
USinUK
May 20th, 2011
7:03 am
dB – 7:03 – what can I say – it’s a blessing AND a curse!
but, let’s be honest – cake is something that EVERYone can agree on, no matter which side of the aisle we fall.
so in that vein, I wish everyone a VERY happy Friday and I hope everyone enjoys their weekend – particularly as the Rapture should make traffic a BREEZE!
Dave R.
May 20th, 2011
7:03 am
I’m of the opinion that if an outside force attacks you, and you happen to push them back beyond your existing borders, you get to keep what you won. The attackers chose – poorly.
Especially when you’re surrounded by people who want to exterminate you.
stands for decibels
May 20th, 2011
7:06 am
Pre-war boundaries.
Given that the Israelis never seemed/seem to know just what to *do* with the occupied territories, beyond poking the inhabitants with a stick repeatedly with this settlement or that, I’m inclined to agree, but I’m happy to hear logical arguments to the contrary.
Dave R.
May 20th, 2011
7:06 am
Happy 29th?
Really?
I only ask because my wife insisted on celebrating a significant number of anniversaries of her 39th birthday.
stands for decibels
May 20th, 2011
7:08 am
Dave @ 7.03, the question from yesterday still stands–if you are going to annex territory and claim it as your own, hey, go for it. But if you don’t make the inhabitants of those territories citizens of your nation… well, what kind of nation are you?
USinUK
May 20th, 2011
7:09 am
Dave – 7:06 – yep – this year is the 6th anniversary of my 39th birthday
(I loved my 30s – those were FAB years … 40s are okay, but have really been looking up the last 5 months)
stands for decibels
May 20th, 2011
7:11 am
Somewhat related to our Middle East discussion…
oh noes they are funding terrism with peecicles!
Dave R.
May 20th, 2011
7:16 am
“But if you don’t make the inhabitants of those territories citizens of your nation… well, what kind of nation are you?”
And my answer from yesterday still stands, stands.
Whatever nation YOU choose to be. Not what WE choose you to be. We have no right to tell, suggest or coerce any nation to live the way we think they should – not Iraq, Afghanistan, nor Israel.
And if those inhabitants wish to see the nation they now live in destroyed, well, I have little sympathy for their plight.
Dave R.
May 20th, 2011
7:18 am
USinUK, loved my 40’s!
Not so fond of my 50’s, however. Too many preventative tests, and the always lovely and far too often colonoscopy on an ongoing basis for the rest of my natural life.
stands for decibels
May 20th, 2011
7:19 am
We have no right to tell, suggest or coerce any nation to live the way we think they should – not Iraq, Afghanistan, nor Israel.
Sounds superficially reasonable, but taken to its logical end, I guess we shouldn’t bother having a State Department at all.
Dave R.
May 20th, 2011
7:23 am
“Sounds superficially reasonable, but taken to its logical end, I guess we shouldn’t bother having a State Department at all.”
Not really. It’s role could be dramatically diminished in that it is only there to intercede on our behalf when our national interests are directly threatened.
stands for decibels
May 20th, 2011
7:25 am
only there to intercede on our behalf when our national interests are directly threatened.
Depends on what the definition of “directly” is, I guess.
Headin’ upstairs…
USinUK
May 20th, 2011
7:29 am
fresh cake upstairs!!!
Yippee
May 20th, 2011
9:23 am
Digging, digging, ah yes, there is another two cents:
Why the hell do we (USA) feel it is our problem to fix in the first place? I appreciate Israel and her right to exist and keep captured turf…but other than for ongoing politcal showmanship by all current and recent past presidents, why don’t we simply let those fighting fools figure it out on their own?!?
Gosh knows, we have enough strife and major challenges here to keep us busy for a while.
Seth
May 20th, 2011
9:26 am
Obama’s refusal to equally embrace his mother’s race and ethnicity was ALWAYS offensive in the worst of ways. Instead Obama chose to self-identify purely on the basis of his looks, something that is as superficial and as racist as is comes. West is absolutely correct to call Obama on his racism, although he is doing it a few years too late.
Adam
May 20th, 2011
10:47 am
Scout: I agree. Now shouldn’t the same be said of Israel. What they have they have !!!
Yeah, pretty much. That’s my thought on the subject. Trying to adjust borders now is nonsense. Of course, both sides would have to agree not to keep pushing for their own border ideas for that to work.
Mary Elizabeth
May 20th, 2011
12:08 pm
Themistocles @ 8:55 and 9:01 p.m.
“It’s just that I believe that Obama (or more accurately, his team) seemed to be so willing to settle from the get-go for something greatly diminished from what was originally envisioned that it really made you wonder what was really motivating them.”
“My point is simply that it was his maddening tendency to accept a drastically narrowed field of possible action way too early, and then he compounded it by remaining so aloof throughout the process, thereby making even the rather modest plan it was much more difficult to get through than it should have been.
Bottom line: I disagree with you about his desire for, and commitment to, a public option.”
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Good morning, Themistocles, I always enjoy responding to your well thought through (and courtesously stated) questions.
First, I believe that we both wanted a public option and that we are both disappointed that there was not one in the Healthcare Law. We simply see what transpired from different perspectives.
Here is mine. We both know that Obama is a political pragmatist and a visionary. His mind is not one that is easily discernible, in full. (That is why so many were so shocked that he had the steely determination to make the call he did relative to Osama bin Laden.) He saw how Hillary Clinton’s “take charge” approach helped to defeat her national healthcare goals in the 1990s. I believe that Obama was very much involved in the process, but from a distance, as you observed. Remember how Obama took on on all of the Republicans in the forum, around a circle, in the conference he called to discuss healthcare before the cameras. He anticipated their questions, knew sharply how to respond to them in detail, and according to the press’ almost unanimous assessment, “won” that discussion single-handedly against them all. He could not have done that unless he had been up on everything in great detail, and very much involved in what was transpiring – but in his seemingly detached manner.
I believe that because of Obama’s political acuity and pragmatism, he knew from the very beginning of the national healthcare process that there was no way – at all – that present day Republicans were going to compromise for a public option. And a handful of Democrats, bought by health corporations, agreed. So, it is remarkable that Obama even pulled off achieving the national healthcare plan that he did – just as remarkable a feat as becoming America’s first black president.
Underneath his cool exterior, I believe he very much wanted a public option but he knew from the get go that was realistically not going to happen, and he got what was possible. That he has any national healthcare law on the books is, in itself, quite remarkable considering the totally unyielding climate of the present day Republican Party which is controlled for the most part – more than most realize – by big business interests.
No need to respond further. Afterall, no one knows the fullness of Obama’s mind but himself, and we have both presented our thoughts on Obama’s intent. No one ever knows another’s intent, for certain, so we simply keep observing outcomes. The political processes and outcomes of the heathcare law are still unfolding, as I think Obama could foresee would happen. Let us both hope that the present healthcare law is not repealed, and that, in the future, it will be built upon so that it will become even more advantageous to ordinary Americans.
Have a great day, Themistocles.
gregory brown
May 20th, 2011
2:20 pm
the saddest thing about all the obama poster lovers is that you havent indicated one thing that he has done for black people not one he has compromised on everything except with us oh thats right we dont need anything all we want is a handout fine if the first black president doesnt have to do anything for blacks then dismantlte the dam naacp congressional black caucus and the national action network which claim to continue the fight because of what our ancestor went through we swear we made it as blacks if we did a black president wouldnt have had to prove he was born here wake up people i know it looks good to see one of us there but it gets played out if nothing happens when he is there what does that say for african american children who are forced to learn about our past see a presidential acheivement and see the same forces eat him alive to the point of ensuring he does nothing for blacks it;s clear he is a beautfiul person just not black in the typical sense there is no typical black man that would have nothing on the table for black not even soaking in the water after all the hell we been through my email is nonpartisan.brown @gmail.com i dare someone to dispute this
I Aint No House N
May 20th, 2011
4:13 pm
This lynch mob will not stand. The GOP and the white liberal establishment will not control our destiny with chains. We have been in chains by you people for too long. And I will not be swayed by a bunch of house negros either, to put it politely. Cornel West speaks the truth, while massa’ Bookman tries to oppress my people. I aint afraid of no massa’, and ain’t afraid of you people backed by your jew cabal. Up with people, power to my brothers and sisters, real change is coming soon.
As Stokely Carmichael once said, “I maintain that every civil rights bill in this country was passed for white people, not for black people.
And when Brother Carmicheal refered to WHITE PEOPLE, he was talking about white liberal massa’s like Jay Bookman. Get ready for the change.
I Aint No House N
May 20th, 2011
4:42 pm
And don’t take comfort that your token high yellow colleague supports your opinion. She don’t know a thing about the struggle.
Greg Charles
May 22nd, 2011
1:04 pm
“The marketplace of free ideas,” used by an above commenter, is just another name for slavery. In such a system, there are many losers than winners. And it’s time for the losers to rise up and smite the winners.
Themistocles (a.k.a. Left Wing Mgmt)
May 22nd, 2011
3:08 pm
Mary Elizabeth, thanks to you, too. I hear you. But one thing stands out in your statement that indicates a feeling I don’t share. You say: “We both know that Obama is a political pragmatist and a visionary. His mind is not one that is easily discernible, in full.”
While I agree this president’s motives and strategic thinking can be hard to discern sometimes, I think we now have had enough time to to discern some basic outlines of an approach, and in general it’s an approach I find problematic.
Again, and at the risk of sounding like a broken record, I can’t recommend strongly enough Robert Kuttner’s writings (especially the above article I cited which is most up to date) for a reasonable (and sympathetic) discussion of the problem of Obama’s approach. I can’t put it any better than he does, so I’ll just cite it again here:
…despite his eloquence and capacity to motivate, [Obama] seems to believe that power should be conserved and presidential leadership reserved for emergencies. He waited long and disabling months before becoming personally engaged in the health-reform battle. This left the details obscure, voters anxious, and Democrats at the August 2009 town meetings playing the role of pinata. By the time the bill finally passed, the victory was politically Pyrrhic . An exasperated David Obey told me, “Obama sat and let Jubilation T. Cornpone tie up Max Baucus for all those months. Hell, Chuck Grassley made it clear to me that he’d never vote for the thing. ”
This expresses my misgivings about Obama perfectly. There’s not denying that he has been able to push through legislative measures that, taken in the abstract, and during normal times, would be quite admirable achievements. But the whole point is that we don’t live in normal times. There is an ideological battle going on that will – without question – shape the country for decades to come, much the way the Roosevelt years shaped the country. That’s why, perversely, even the very victories – or what appears to be victories – can work against him (e.g. the weak stimulus, the health bill, financial reform) can become Pyrrhic victories that are doomed to failure in the long run because of their utter lack of boldness, the fact that almost without exception, these measures fail to go far enough, so they leave you stranded in a no-man’s land between inaction and timid, inadequate action, which in the end only ends up playing into the hands of the enemies.
Maybe in the end, that world “enemies” points to my biggest problem with Obama. He either outright refuses to acknowledge the fact that politics, particularly during times of crisis, is all about vanquishing one’s enemies (which means, proving them beyond a doubt to be wrong), or he’s so uncomfortable with this reality that he spends much of his time avoiding facing up to it. And that leaves him greatly handicapped in the struggles that, whether he admits it or not, he’s smack in the middle of.
Gandalf the Wise
May 24th, 2011
6:36 am
This West fellow makes some good points….
just sayin’…