As ‘Gang of Six’ collapses, trench warfare over deficit looms

I never invested much real hope in the so-called “Gang of Six,” the group of Republican and Democratic senators trying to find some solution to the deficit stalemate, but it’s been the only forum in which bipartisan negotiation was at least taking place, and people seemed to be making an effort.

Now, with the withdrawal of U.S. Sen. Tom Coburn, Republican of Oklahoma, that too seems to have broken down.

“The debt is still $14 trillion. It’s got to be solved in a bipartisan way,” Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.), another member of the group, said Tuesday. “I hope that we’ll eventually, as a Gang of Six, be able to come together on some long-term resolution of the issue. But it looks like that’s not going to happen in the short term.”

Even if such an agreement were reached, the six senators would still have had to find another 45 fellows senators to sign onto the deal — 54 if the process got filibustered somehow. And the likelihood of that happening approaches zero. And even if you somehow overcame those hurdles, you’d then have to get the package of spending cuts and tax hikes through the ultra-conservative House. Good luck on that one.

So in a practical sense, the failure of the Gang of Six to reach agreement doesn’t mean much. Symbolically, it means a lot, and it isn’t good. If a small group of six meeting since January can’t hammer something out, the chances of 100 senators and 435 congressmen doing so seem very bleak.

It does not bode well.

– Jay Bookman

426 comments Add your comment

Mr_B

May 18th, 2011
7:48 am

That’s what happens when you put the kiddies in charge.

Mr_B

May 18th, 2011
7:50 am

Mornin’ Jay.

Jay

May 18th, 2011
7:50 am

Mornin’, Mr. B.

ty webb

May 18th, 2011
7:54 am

Jay,
Watchout! I hear Moby in the Morning, and Steve & Vickie are pissed at you for this one.

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
7:55 am

Morning Jay!

as for the Gang of Six, could you imagine the ignomy Chambliss would face if they actually DID hammer out a compromise? criminey, he’d be flung out of the “big tent” like he was a cowboy in an old western

they won’t reach a compromise because the GOP doesn’t WANT one.

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
7:56 am

ty – good christmas … Steve and Vickie are still around?

why not just resurrect Yetta Levitt and Gary McKee

PJ

May 18th, 2011
7:59 am

I’m still boning up on my Chinese. I suggest the rest of you do likewise.

Joe The Plumber too.

May 18th, 2011
8:01 am

Of course usinuk starts out with the usual blame everything on the GOP. Different day, same crap. The only thing bipartisan in DC is the fact we have 535 ego filled idiots who could care less about the people they represent. Throw in the chief stooge, barry the boy blunder and America doesn’t have a chance. They all need to be run out of town. Term limits.

Peadawg

May 18th, 2011
8:02 am

And of course, Jay ignores the news that 20% of the waivers last month went out to gourmet restaurants and nightclubs in Pelosi’s district b/c “they can’t afford” the mandatory increase in coverage. Gotta be the ‘D’ I suppose.

In other news we had 2 bills shot down yesterday in the Senate. Both should had passed easily:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20063724-503544.html
http://www.wrn.com/2011/05/senate-dems-block-voter-id/

Peadawg

May 18th, 2011
8:02 am

“Of course usinuk starts out with the usual blame everything on the GOP. ”

Are you surprised? That’s all it’s been around here lately.

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
8:03 am

Joe – blame EVERYthing? not even close, Hyperbole Boy … just the deadlock.

as far as “boy blunder” … economy rebounding … Osama dead … I’ll take that track record all day long (and twice on Sunday)

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
8:04 am

p-diddy – um. pot.

Joe The Plumber too.

May 18th, 2011
8:06 am

starting out the name calling early huh, uk? Guess just people like harry get in trouble for that. Must be the yellow teeth crowd you hang with on that side of the pond.

DebbieDoRight

May 18th, 2011
8:07 am

they won’t reach a compromise because the GOP doesn’t WANT one

WHAT!!?!! The GOP doesn’t want a compromise?!? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you, to hear that!! Who woulda thunk it?!? :shock:

PeaDawg: And of course, Jay ignores the news that 20% of the waivers last month went out to gourmet restaurants and nightclubs in Pelosi’s district b/c “they can’t afford” the mandatory increase in coverage.

What DOES that have to do with our deficit problem? How about saying something about Big Oil subsidies OR sending millions to Israel, Pakistan, and Afghanistan? Or maybe even throw in the two wars that we got going…..but restaurants and nightclubs? Jeesh!! :roll:

St Simons - we're on Island time

May 18th, 2011
8:08 am

they’re setting up the “feedin at the public trough” meme for August when they have to replace Federal pension funds they’re raiding now because of their irresponsibility. Pathetic, cynical, predictable. Depending on the continued ignorance of your bumper-sticker base is a short term strategy though, cons. You will soon be a footnote in a Texas schoolbook.

Mick

May 18th, 2011
8:09 am

Man, 45 degree morning in atlanta, in may? Damn, it has been down right toasty here since april. Speaking of toast, this congress is burnt…

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
8:09 am

DDR – why do restaurants and nightclubs hate america???!!!

Jay

May 18th, 2011
8:09 am

I was up Kennesaw way a couple of months ago, Ty, and someone walked up to me with that look in their eye that says they think they recognize you.

“Are you Jay Bookman?” he says.

“Yes,” I say, a little cautiously. Because it IS Kennesaw, you know.

“Glad to meet you. I like your work, even if I don’t agree with it most of the time. I’m Rhubarb Jones.”

He was a very nice guy, we had a good conversation.

Granny Godzilla

May 18th, 2011
8:09 am

Maybe Tom coburn needs to take a break for other reasons….

Perhaps to address issues raised in the Ensign scandal?

Peadawg

May 18th, 2011
8:10 am

“What DOES that have to do with our deficit problem? How about saying something about Big Oil subsidies OR sending millions to Israel, Pakistan, and Afghanistan? Or maybe even throw in the two wars that we got going”

I’ve pointed those particular things out many times on here. But all Jay wants to do it blame everything on the GOP. And you, USinUK, Doggone, Normal, etc. all come with the same sh*t. Doesn’t it get old? And I see you ignore the news about the waivers as well….

Peadawg

May 18th, 2011
8:11 am

“DDR – why do restaurants and nightclubs hate america???!!!”

I take it from your sarcasm that this doesn’t bother you. Typical. Gotta love some good ‘ol ‘D’ in the morning!!!

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Mick

May 18th, 2011
8:13 am

Rhubarb Jones, now that’s what I call a name!!!

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
8:14 am

Rhubarb Jones? criminey, there’s a blast from the past

Jay

May 18th, 2011
8:14 am

So Peadawg, what’s your point? Were restaurants in districts represented by John Boehner or other conservatives denied the waiver? What’s actually your point? You keep repeating this factoid as if it had some relevance to something.

Is that all you got?

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
8:15 am

Pdawg – if you can show me people who did NOT get a waiver – particularly if they didn’t get a waiver because they were from an R district, then I’ll be bothered.

otherwise, nope. not a prollem

Mick

May 18th, 2011
8:15 am

The great thing about this blog is the ability to time travel. Funny how I can read a post, respond, then get in ahead of said post. Einstein was right…

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
8:15 am

dammit, Jay – I owe you a coke.

Mr_B

May 18th, 2011
8:17 am

Joe and Pea: So I’m quessing you’re claiming that the republicans are actually willing to discuss revenue as well as spending?

ty webb

May 18th, 2011
8:18 am

Jay,
“Rhubarb” sounds like a nice guy. I always confuse him with “Moby”.

Peadawg

May 18th, 2011
8:19 am

“You keep repeating this factoid as if it had some relevance to something.”

“otherwise, nope. not a prollem”

Love it!! Love it!! Keep it comin’!!!!

USMC

May 18th, 2011
8:19 am

Boy Jay, after yesterday’s drama with Bozo on 750am, I figured you would have had a few beers last night slept in this morning; heck you deserved it :-)

But to the point, WE, the Federal Gov, NEED TO STOP SPENDING MONEY!

I am in agreement with shoring up our DYSFUNCTIONAL Tax system and getting rid of all of the Tax Loop Holes. Either institute a FLAT TAX or Fair Tax(I know you don’t like this one).

Cut Foreign Aid, Welfare and other Entitlements, heck cut the military budget. I’m okay with that, but CUT SPENDING!

Obama Budget – An “Unsustainable Course” – Deficit Spending, Taxing, Borrowing, Bankruptcy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvYStT2CnPU

PJ

May 18th, 2011
8:20 am

Granny Godzilla @8:09 am – I was thinking along those same lines.

Peadawg

May 18th, 2011
8:21 am

“So I’m quessing you’re claiming that the republicans are actually willing to discuss revenue as well as spending?”

Mr_B, so I’m guessing you’re claiming that the Democrats are actually willing to discuss spending as well as revenue?

The point it, again just like yesterday, that it seems to be BOTH sides that are being stubborn. Not JUST the GOP. But don’t expect Jay to admit that….the higher powers who pay him won’t let him.

DebbieDoRight

May 18th, 2011
8:21 am

DDR – why do restaurants and nightclubs hate america???!!!

Ha!! LOL!

PDee: But all Jay wants to do it blame everything on the GOP.

And it is so NOT their fault!! Nothing ever is! They are sooooo innocent in this mess!! Jay should put the blame where it belongs….ummm…..hmmmm… ok got it! On CLINTON!! (and Lewinsky!!)

And you, USinUK, Doggone, Normal, etc. all come with the same sh*t. Doesn’t it get old?

Well, no…not for me. I figure if I keep saying it, you know hammering you with truth and facts, perhaps you’ll take off those blinders, break free from the shackles of enhanced dumb downedness, and free your self from your republican pledge pins! Is it working yet?

Mick

May 18th, 2011
8:22 am

ddr

What ever happened to dudley?

Soothsayer

May 18th, 2011
8:23 am

Jay

May 18th, 2011
8:24 am

Peadawg, when you are forced to say things that you know are not true in order to defend your position, it might be time to change your position.

And you KNOW it is not true that the Democrats have refused to discuss spending cuts.

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
8:24 am

“And I see you ignore the news about the waivers as well….”

since Blogger was totally screwed over the weekend, I’ll say that WORDPRESS is ready when you are.

ty webb

May 18th, 2011
8:24 am

“…you know hammering you with truth and facts…”

dang it! there goes that last sip of bourbon.

George Soros

May 18th, 2011
8:25 am

More good stuff Jay, keep writing more crap….good stuff

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
8:27 am

ty – bourbon at 8:24 in the morning?

Peadawg

May 18th, 2011
8:28 am

“And you KNOW it is not true that the Democrats have refused to discuss spending cuts” – Um…obviously not…since they want the debt ceiling raised, period, no cuts at all. Then y’all blame (there’s that word again) the GOP for “holding the nation hostage” and that other bs. I’ll believe Democrats want to cut spending when I see, pal.

“perhaps you’ll take off those blinders” – I’m able to spread the blame around to both parties while you and Jay only blame the GOP. So…who has the blinders there, Seabiscuit?

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
8:28 am

“BTW what are YOU doing this weekend?”

it’s my birthday Saturday … everyone better give me their presents EARLY

DebbieDoRight

May 18th, 2011
8:29 am

mick:What ever happened to dudley?

Hi ya mick (left a note for you downstairs — concerning the “rapture” this weekend). Which dudley are you talking about? My dudley (who’s back in Afghanistan) or the Dudley who blogs on here sometimes?

BTW what are YOU doing this weekend? I hear there’s a run on white robes………..

PJ

May 18th, 2011
8:30 am

The Republican Party appears to be imploding. Everyday there’s some new mistep or mistake. They are now turning on their own. Is there any wonder nothing of substance can get done. What with scandals, disclosuers and in fighting and not to mention no clear cut candidate to run for President, they are a party in disarray.

godless heathen

May 18th, 2011
8:30 am

Gummint should have a yard sale. I see one Macon Post Office has 21 acres, using about 2 of them.

Peadawg

May 18th, 2011
8:32 am

“since Blogger was totally screwed over the weekend, I’ll say that WORDPRESS is ready when you are.”

Typical response when confronted with something. Thanks.

Bosch

May 18th, 2011
8:32 am

“But don’t expect Jay to admit that….the higher powers who pay him won’t let him.”

Maybe Jay’s higher powers won’t admit him to lie, or maybe Jay has the moral fortitude not to do so.

Pea, you know what you say is not true, saying them over and over will not change that.

Peadawg

May 18th, 2011
8:32 am

I made myself laugh so hard at 8:28, that’s your new nickname until you spread the blame to someone other than the GOP, Jay…Seabiscuit! WILBUUUUUUUUR!!!!! (neigh)

Mick

May 18th, 2011
8:33 am

ddr

I’m getting up before dawn, riding my bike to the oceans edge, firing up a big one and waiting for the world to go by. Then, I’ll dive in and go swimming with the sharks….top of the world, ma…

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
8:34 am

Pdawg – confronted with your whining “why don’t yyeeeeeewwwwww talk about thiiiiiiiiissssssss” … if you think it’s such a hot-as-snot issue, register for your own blog (it’s FREE) and write about it to your heart’s content.

otherwise, coming here to b*tch and moan about what the rest of us do/don’t talk about is just petulant.

ty webb

May 18th, 2011
8:34 am

UsinUK,
it’s never too early for bourbon…However, as a conservative, It helps me better understand some of the drivel posted by commenters here daily…And I admit that I also post drivel, however, I have an excuse(the aforementioned bourbon).

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
8:35 am

g’morning, Bosch … was Tweeting about you yesterday … cheesy shrimp grits!!!

Peadawg

May 18th, 2011
8:36 am

“otherwise, coming here to b*tch and moan about what the rest of us do/don’t talk about is just petulant.”

My bad punkin…I didn’t know we weren’t allowed to go off topic and talk about other things than what the blogmaster wants to talk about.

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
8:36 am

ty – :lol: can’t argue that logic

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
8:36 am

p-diddy – would you like some cheese to go with your whiiiiiiiiiine?

Jay

May 18th, 2011
8:37 am

If you wish to “confront” us with something, Peadawg, do so.

Again, what’s the relevance of your waiver factoid? What point are you trying to make? Again, were businesses in GOP districts DENIED the waiver?

Go ahead, confront us.

Mr_B

May 18th, 2011
8:37 am

Pea.. I’ll agree that were going to have to make some cuts, and not just to defense.

One possible formula for agreement $1 of cuts for $1 of revenue for $1 of debt ceiling lift.

Got to go to work now.

Have fun and play nice…..

Bosch

May 18th, 2011
8:37 am

USinUK,

Tweeting about moi? Gee, I feel so internationally important! :-) The tweeting thing still has me scratching my head I must admit, but it’s good to know I’m out there….and my cheesy shrimp grits.

Don’t know if I mentioned this during Christmas, but I added goat cheese and sundried tomatoes to the mix for the big day breakfast and it was a really tasty addition (along with green onions and parsley that I also add when I want to fancy them up!).

Bosch

May 18th, 2011
8:39 am

No Pea, as usual the point did not connect with your head — it’s not the going off topic, it’s your whining about what we aren’t talking about — as Jay wrote, actually confront us with something and we’ll play. Otherwise, your just being a petulant brat.

Peadawg

May 18th, 2011
8:40 am

“Pea, you know what you say is not true, saying them over and over will not change that.”

This was back from February…best thing I could find on google. http://www.speaker.gov/blog/?postid=223463. Why won’t the Democrats get on board with spending cuts in the debt limit increase bill? All I here from the left is blame blame blame.

Mighty Righty

May 18th, 2011
8:40 am

I believe the negotiations are bipartisan unless you think Obama can’t represent the party of big spenders.

stands for decibels

May 18th, 2011
8:40 am

I was never terribly interested in any grand compromise the Gang of Six were going to cough up, anyway.

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
8:40 am

Bosch – if I hadn’t just eaten a plate of pasta and green beans, I would swoon at your fancy-schmancy cheesy shrimp grits. YUM.

Mick

May 18th, 2011
8:41 am

bosch

Now all you need to go with that cuisine is a one shot of bourbon and two beers…

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Jay

May 18th, 2011
8:41 am

February, Peadawg?

February?

How about yesterday, from the Christian Science Monitor:

Everything must be on the table as the U.S. Congress works to cut the deficit, including Medicare, Social Security and entitlements, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi told CNBC Monday.

“All the money is fungible, and at the end of the day the deficit has to be reduced,” the California Democrat said the day the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling expired.

The government has 11 weeks to raise the debt ceiling or be in default.

Peadawg

May 18th, 2011
8:42 am

“Again, were businesses in GOP districts DENIED the waiver?”

Not sure. I just find it fishy that 20% were 1. went to high end nightclubs and restaurants who supposedly can’t afford it and 2. went to Pelosi district.

To me it is likened to earmarks in a particular Senator’s state.

But if you seeing nothing wrong with it, then so be it.

USMC

May 18th, 2011
8:43 am

“The Republican Party appears to be imploding.”–PJ

Don’t you wish, PJ! We ’spanked’ you in the last election Nov 2010, or did you forget?
And Obama will be a one term President. Obama LOSES in 2012!

“Everyday there’s some new mistep or mistake. They are now turning on their own.”–PJ

Yeah, that’s exactly how the “Lamestream” media would want you to think, but entirely UNTRUE :-)

ComputerBob

May 18th, 2011
8:43 am

Jay -

Say Hi to Rhubarb for me.

If Congress and the President don’t get serious about this thing real soon now, we will be looking at a double-dip recession. Smart money (like George Soros) is pulling out of market and commodities and moving to safe havens.

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
8:43 am

“Not sure. I just find it fishy ”

yep. that sums it up. you DON’T KNOW, but want to fling poo as if you do.

buck@gon

May 18th, 2011
8:44 am

UsinUK

“they won’t reach a compromise because the GOP doesn’t WANT one.”

Sort of like the Democrats and all things fiscal. Let’s see, to borrow a phrase: “they won’t pass a budget because the Dems don’t WANT one.”

Mighty Righty

May 18th, 2011
8:46 am

If we didn’t disagree, this post wouldn’t be worth reading. Jay, keep stiring the pot.

Peadawg

May 18th, 2011
8:46 am

“Everything must be on the table as the U.S. Congress works to cut the deficit, including Medicare, Social Security and entitlements, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi told CNBC Monday.” – Wow, impressive. Good talking point from the Queen B. I heard the same one from Obama in his campaign speech a fews weeks back.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/17/politics/main20063740.shtml
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/12/democrats-republicans-debt-ceiling-fight_n_848369.html

For everyone 1 post you find on Democrat talking points, I can find 2 or 3 with some Democrat blaming the GOP, Jay.

stands for decibels

May 18th, 2011
8:47 am

USMC

May 18th, 2011
8:48 am

“Go ahead, confront us.”

-Says the Bolshevik leader of the local Commissar :-)

Jay

May 18th, 2011
8:48 am

Peadawg, that’s more lame than a three-legged mule.

And you know it, that’s the thing.

TnGelding

May 18th, 2011
8:49 am

But they are still probably our best hope. Surely they can find someone to replace Coburn, who was probably the most “principled.” But you’re right, the House is going to be the hardest nut to crack, but Ryan might have shown some willingness to give yesterday on CNBC.

DebbieDoRight

May 18th, 2011
8:49 am

PD: “perhaps you’ll take off those blinders” – I’m able to spread the blame around to both parties while you and Jay only blame the GOP. So…who has the blinders there, Seabiscuit?

I’ll take the name of Seabiscuit, (a winner), over the name I’m calling you — it’ starts with Jack and ends with ______.

UsinUK – Happy Birthday!! Hopefully, that giant earthquake that’ll kill off mankind, will wait until after your birthday.

buck@gon

May 18th, 2011
8:50 am

“It does not bode well.”

Jay,

I thought the same thing when Obama selected a tax cheat for SecTreas. Perfect guy to oversee the economy’s collapse and the Obama’s greatly anticipated fall of America.

USMC

May 18th, 2011
8:51 am

Why are there WAIVERS for OBAMACARE anyway?

What’s good for the Goose is good for the Gander!

Or is there something wrong with Obamacare?????

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
8:51 am

buck – considering the bluster and demagoguery the GOP gives about “hell noes” … I don’t think you have a lot of leg to stand on …

stands for decibels

May 18th, 2011
8:51 am

See also this, which includes links to pdfs of all the waivers granted so far.

http://cciio.cms.gov/resources/files/approved_applications_for_waiver.html

(I see that the noted commie-lib outfit Cracker Barrel is among those listed.)

USMC

May 18th, 2011
8:52 am

retired early

May 18th, 2011
8:52 am

There is mainly one sticking point in the debt reduction debate…no tax increases. When a small group of Tea Parters reinforced by Grover Norquest’s “pledge to never raise taxes” bunch, control the GOP, there is no chance for compromise. Once the American voters get enough of these radical GOPers, the 2012 elections needs to make them pay. If however, the voters give the GOP more control, this country will bankrupt, finally showing once and for all, the failed polices of the GOP. We will get a glimpse of the mess to come when they refuse to raise the debt ceiling. Remember where the stock market was in 2007…the Dow was 6500…it has almost doubled since then. Where do you think the Dow will be if the debt ceiling is not raised. Wall Street has been warning them. All of you depending on your 401k to retire better think again before blindly backing the GOP…it is YOUR money that they are playing this poker game with.

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
8:52 am

dB – ahhhhh … those Cracker Barrel pinkos!

Peadawg

May 18th, 2011
8:52 am

stands, if a restaurant offers “$59 porterhouse steaks, $39 filet mignons and $35 crab dinners”, do you honestly think they can’t afford the annual limit increase? Give me a break.

Jay

May 18th, 2011
8:54 am

Peadawg, I also find it interesting that you claimed to have seen nothing indicating that the Dems are ready to cut spending, but when confronted with Pelosi’s statement that spending is on the table, you acknowledge that you heard Obama say the same thing a few weeks ago.

You know, when a octopus is cornered, it squirts out a cloud of black ink in hopes of confusing the predator. I think I’m gonna have to start calling you Octo-Dawg.

Granny Godzilla

May 18th, 2011
8:54 am

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
8:55 am

DDR – “UsinUK – Happy Birthday!! Hopefully, that giant earthquake that’ll kill off mankind, will wait until after your birthday.”

well, at least until after birthday CAKE

Doggone/GA

May 18th, 2011
8:55 am

“Not sure. I just find it fishy that 20% were 1. went to high end nightclubs and restaurants who supposedly can’t afford it and 2. went to Pelosi district”

The depth of your disbelief is not proof of anything

stands for decibels

May 18th, 2011
8:55 am

those Cracker Barrel pinkos!

remember–three golf tees in a row means that the swans fly at dawn. Repeat: the swans fly at dawn.

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
8:55 am

ohmygod, GG – CLASSIC!

buck@gon

May 18th, 2011
8:56 am

‘considering the bluster and demagoguery the GOP gives about “hell noes” ‘ I don’t think you have a lot of leg to stand on

Usin,

Oh quite. Yes, now I get it. It all comes down to name-calling.

I think that the whole Obama electoral machine has no policy, no argument other than to say what you and Jay are essentially saying here, that no one else has any “leg to stand on.”

I think that’s very sad for the Democracy that you can’t contemplate reality and real solutions nor the implications of the last election made real by your fellow countrymen.

St Simons - we're on Island time

May 18th, 2011
8:56 am

they can re-arrange the deck chairs all they want, but the 30 year reign of the neocons is over.

USMC

May 18th, 2011
8:56 am

“It’s been explained to you. You can either read and learn, or you can continue sounding like the dumb Birther Trash you love to play on Jay’s blog.”

It’s corrupt and you know it! You can sling garbage and make up kiddy names, “birther?” etc., but you are still DISHONEST and back a CORRUPT political party and President.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfu1_Scgyow

USinUK

May 18th, 2011
8:57 am

pdawg – ” if a restaurant offers “$59 porterhouse steaks, $39 filet mignons and $35 crab dinners”, do you honestly think they can’t afford the annual limit increase? Give me a break”

you obviously don’t know the first thing about restaurants and the close margin most of them have.

Mighty Righty

May 18th, 2011
8:57 am

My view on the waivers is not that they seem to be going primairly to Democrat donors. It’s the fact they are needed that is proof positive that Obamacare is a bad piece of legislation. It was rushed through in the middle of the night by people who didn’t bother to read it. The Democrats lied about what was in it. They lied about the cost and are continuing to lie today. They lost the House because of it. They will lose the White House because of it and hopefully the Republicans will have the testosterone to dump the whole thing.

USMC

May 18th, 2011
8:58 am

“buck – even no policy is better than the snake-oil salesmanship of “cut taxes!! it’ll cure all your ills””

-Easily said by the Dishonest Party of WELFARE :-)