Grover Norquist and the GOP’s purity pledge

U.S. Sen. Saxby Chambliss, like Senate colleague Johnny Isakson and seven of Georgia’s eight GOP congressmen, has signed a public pledge to never, under any circumstances, increase taxes.

Yet Chambliss, to his credit, has been working for months as one of six senators — three Republican, three Democrat — trying to negotiate a possible deficit reduction package.

The other two Republicans in that group, Tom Coburn of Oklahoma and Mike Crapo of Idaho — have also signed the no-tax-increase-ever pledge. Yet all three are willing to acknowledge the reality that increased taxes would have to be part — in their minds a small part — of any workable deal to reduce the budget deficit.

In a meeting at the AJC last month, Chambliss recounted conversations with many of his colleagues in Washington, as well as many top business executives, in which they quietly encouraged him in his efforts to reach a deal. They too seem to realize that a mixture of spending cuts and tax increases will be needed to stabilize the debt.

But that response has been far from unanimous.

Just this week, House Speaker John Boehner said tax increases are “off the table,” and Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell was even more point blank:

“We’re not going to raise taxes. That was decided in last November’s election. I think the American people pretty clearly believe that we have the deficit problem because we spend too much, not because we tax too little.”

Grover Norquist, the head of Americans for Tax Reform and as such the self-ordained organizer, marketer and enforcer of the no-new-taxes pledge, had even less reason to be pleased. Once news of their effort became public, Norquist accused Chambliss and his GOP colleagues of lying to the American people and demanded that they withdraw from negotiations.

While the senators have not bowed to that demand, hope seems to be fading that their effort will produce a deal. And it’s impossible to know what effect, if any, Norquist’s foot-stomping may have had on frustrating those negotiations.

However, there’s no doubt that Norquist takes his role as enforcer seriously, and not merely out of conviction. The pledge, which he serves as sponsor and arbiter, represents the very foundation of his political power and relevance. It is, in effect, his livelihood. If signatories such as Chambliss ever begin to abandon the pledge, if the dam begins to break, Norquist becomes a much diminished figure.

As one measure of his considerable power, earlier this year Georgia Republicans refused to move forward with their proposal to revamp the state’s tax structure until Norquist could be consulted and give it his blessing. When Norquist balked, legislators then agreed to rewrite the bill to accommodate his demands.

That’s a remarkable amount of authority to hand some unelected, out-of-state nonprofit bureaucrat from Washington. But it becomes easier to understand once you look at the list of state officials who have committed themselves to the Norquist pledge.

According to a list on Norquist’s website, Gov. Nathan Deal, House Speaker David Ralston, Senate Majority Leader Chip Rogers, House Ways and Means Chairman Larry O’Neal, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Bill Heath and 50 other legislators have all signed an oath to never, under any conditions, agree to raise government revenue.

As the crotchety Coburn from Oklahoma put it, responding to Norquist:

“Which pledge is most important… the pledge to uphold your oath to the Constitution of the United States or a pledge from a special interest group who claims to speak for all American conservatives when, in fact, they really don’t?”

– Jay Bookman

290 comments Add your comment

Mr_B

May 13th, 2011
7:55 am

Enter your comments here

PJ

May 13th, 2011
7:57 am

When America resembles Haiti may then we will realize that taxes are a necessary evil.

Mr_B

May 13th, 2011
7:58 am

Granny Godzilla

May 13th, 2011
7:59 am

Would that be the Grover Norquist linked to Casino Jack Abramoff and the Tom Coburn linked to the Ensign Scandal just referred to the DOJ?

Purity? Really?

PJ

May 13th, 2011
8:00 am

Mr_B @7:58 am – I’m not sure if “enter your comments here” counts when it comes to first.

stands for decibels

May 13th, 2011
8:00 am

When America resembles Haiti

I would hope that we’d have the good sense to drown Grover Norquist in a bathtub before that happens.

independent voter

May 13th, 2011
8:01 am

Saxby- you have made me rethink voting for the Democrats in the next election. Tell the tea baggers and other hypocrites who live on government subsidies but want no new taxes to go where the sun don’t shine. (Like Michelle Bachman whose husband gets $250,000 in farm subsidies).

Gale

May 13th, 2011
8:05 am

I think “crotchety Coburn” has it right, and our legislators better reread the Constitution because they were not paying attention the last time.

Mick

May 13th, 2011
8:05 am

Why they all kow tow to grover is mystifying. “Starving the beast” and “drown in a bathtub” are this man’s handiwork. Someday, hopefully soon, this ideology will be recognized for what it is, a dismal pox on this nation….

ty webb

May 13th, 2011
8:06 am

or would that be the grover norquist who was not linked with the Charlie Rangel scandal or John Edwards scandal?

Gale

May 13th, 2011
8:10 am

Just because wealthy special interests who contribute to their campaigns don’t want them to raise taxes, doesn’t mean they should not do so. Most middle Americans understand that when you have a negative cash flow and too much debt, you have to do more than just cut out the non-essential spending. You may have to get a second job or work more hours to get back on top of things. Our Congress critters act like they never saw a budget.

Normal

May 13th, 2011
8:10 am

Good morning all…
Anybody who seriously thinks that you can reduce the deficit without raising taxes believes in unicorns. Start by reducing,/eliminating oil ans agriculture subsidies, and cut/reduce military spending.

And before you touch social spending, reduce Congressional salaries by say, 15 to 20%. Then, at least, you’d know who was in it for the money and who was in it for the country.

Me

May 13th, 2011
8:11 am

More and more Grover Norquist seems like a white Jesse Jackson.

Doggone/GA

May 13th, 2011
8:12 am

“Our Congress critters act like they never saw a budget.”

Most of them probably never have. That’s what accountants are for, right? And most of them act like petulant children anyway.

kayaker 71

May 13th, 2011
8:16 am

Ah, the age old battle between taxing and spending. Perhaps we could create a pledge that would keep spending at 2008 levels. What will it take to convince supposedly intelligent people that the more you spend, the more taxes you will need? If you don’t spend so much, you don’t need as much revenue. My five year old grandson even knows this. It is grade school economics, lost on those who chose to ignore it and there for those with just a little common sense.

andygrdzki

May 13th, 2011
8:18 am

The other day when I proposed a Georgia Income Tax increase to cover the costs of illegal immigration (medical, education, etc) , none of you supported it… nary a one…. Now you are talking about the Repubs not increasing taxes…. Either support and stand up for taxes increases or stop whining… Granny talked about the poor refugees,,, well, are we going to support it or not….. a lot of lip service but no action ……

PJ

May 13th, 2011
8:18 am

Normal @8:10 am – Exactly, while everyone else is being downsized, having hours cut, struggling to pay medical bills, hoping your not in the next round of layoffs, and in general “keeping your head above water, making your way if you can”, Congress gets to make all the decisions but make none of the financial sacrifices that the average American has to make.

Peadawg

May 13th, 2011
8:18 am

““Our Congress critters act like they never saw a budget.””

You mean the Democrats who…OOPS!!!..didn’t pass one last year?

PJ

May 13th, 2011
8:20 am

kayaker 71 @8:16 am – “Are you smarter than a Fifth Grader (or a five year old”.

Irwin M. Fletcher

May 13th, 2011
8:21 am

No one likes taxes, and given the choice, I’m sure all Americans would opt not to pay them. However, the reality is our country requires them in order to function. I don’t have children, but my taxes pay for schools. I have never needed the assistance of the Fire or Police Department, but my taxes help to keep those entitys working in case someone else needs them. As the population increases, so do the needs, so inherently the taxes will always need to be adjusted, usually upwards. Unfortunately, a majority of the population seems to have embraced the mantra of “We don’t have an income problem, we have a spending problem” which the politicians are only too happy to encourage. Let the Bush era tax cuts expire ACROSS THE BOARD and be realistic about our checks and balances.

Granny Godzilla

May 13th, 2011
8:21 am

ty webb

May 13th, 2011
8:06 am
or would that be the grover norquist who was not linked with the Charlie Rangel scandal or John Edwards scandal?

correct, and I imagine we agree that it’s a good thing stinkers like Rangel and Edwards aren’t involved in this project – now about Norquist and Coburn…..?

jt

May 13th, 2011
8:22 am

“of authority to hand some unelected, out-of-state nonprofit bureaucrat from Washington. ”

A bureaucrat is a member of a bureaucracy and can comprise the administration of any organization of any size, though the term USUALLY connotes someone within an institution of a government.

Furthermore, Norquist is the HEAD of his orginization.

Thus , your claim that Norquist is a “bureaucrat” is wrong…You sir,are in error.

Thank you.

Mick

May 13th, 2011
8:23 am

**If you don’t spend so much, you don’t need as much revenue. My five year old grandson even knows this.**

Then why did we choose to fight two wars with two tax cuts? Does that make a lick of sense?

Good little liberal

May 13th, 2011
8:23 am

Gasp!! Government people who do not want to raise taxes during the worst economy in our lifetime. Say it ain’t so. But, but, but the government doesn’t have enough power. There aren’t enough people on welfare. We must do everything we can to give the government more and more power.

We must support Democrats because they want the best for all of us. They want to tell us how to live, how to think and if we dare to achieve we must be punished. Because as we all know, failure is the American way.

Hail Obama!! Hail Obama!!!

Warren G. Harding

May 13th, 2011
8:24 am

the grover norquist who was not linked with the Charlie Rangel scandal or John Edwards scandal?

What about me? What was the Teapot Dome scandal, chopped liver? Doesn’t anyone care any more?

TaxPayer

May 13th, 2011
8:24 am

Rush must really be upset with this Grover character for stealing all his shoe-shine boys.

Irwin M. Fletcher

May 13th, 2011
8:25 am

GLL – “We need taxes? So we don’t have any now? Well, we must get us some taxes.”

You were obviously the head of your debate team in college.

Good little liberal

May 13th, 2011
8:25 am

Irwin M. Fletcher

We need taxes? So we don’t have any now? Well, we must get us some taxes.

PJ

May 13th, 2011
8:26 am

Me @8:11 am – “If you must raise taxes then I will send you mean faxes. We don’t need public schools lets just raise a bunch of fools. Keep dopes alive, keep dopes alive.”

Gale

May 13th, 2011
8:27 am

Normal, good call at 8:10. That Congress voted themselves automatic raises so they would not have to show that yearly vote is just criminal. And they have the nerve to complain about unions doing things like that! If many of them worked in private business, they would be out the door in a RIF. “We don’t really need non-performers here.”

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 13th, 2011
8:28 am

We taking bets on how the righties and conservatives will duck and dodge the question today about a pledge to a man rather than following their pledge to the country? We already see them trotting out the talking points — the 2011 budget that the “Dems” did not pass (never mind the realty of the politics that led to that including republicans actions).

Oh why oh why can’t the cons just admit its never Country First, its Cons First and the real conjob is its rich cons in the front of the line.

Yahtzee

May 13th, 2011
8:29 am

Jay,

The end of this sentence, “legislators have all signed an oath to never, under any conditions, agree to raise government revenue”, is misleading. They didnt sign an oath saying that at all, they signed an oath to not raises TAXES. Yes I understand that you equate taxes to revenues, but there are other raise to raise revenues without raising taxes. Wouldn’t it be more beneficial and successful to increase the tax base, rather than increasing taxes on those who already pay taxes? We have by historical records one of the lowest tax bases currently because of the sluggish economy, but more importantly we need tax code reform.

TaxPayer

May 13th, 2011
8:29 am

Government people who do not want to raise taxes during the worst economy in our lifetime.

Odd. That’s not what I hear from the wealthiest. They say the economy is great, they’re making billions so you must be doing something wrong.

Good little liberal

May 13th, 2011
8:29 am

PJ

We need taxes to pay for public schools? Wow. that’s a real change because before, the money fairy just left big baskets of money on the doors of our schools. I guess we need to start paying taxes.

Joe The Plumber too.

May 13th, 2011
8:29 am

Just over 18 months until the poor little bedwetters will start screaming ” It’s not fair, the election was stolen, it was a racist action” or any one of a hundred other excuses the crybabies come up with. barry the boy blunder is going back to that armpit of a city he came from, but at least he will be able to stay in the news by jumping at every photo op to cozy up to every dictator like his hero peanut head carter. Can’t wait to hear the wails of misery when the libs false messiah is sent packing.

Good little liberal

May 13th, 2011
8:31 am

TaxPayer

That’s because the wealthy are eeeeevil. We must punish them. It’s not American to achieve. Only to be a ward of this glorious efficient government.

Hail Obama. Hail Obama!!!!

Peadawg

May 13th, 2011
8:32 am

“(never mind the realty of the politics that led to that including republicans actions)”

Oh yes, yes, the politics of it. Like how the election was so close that Democrats in the House didn’t even send one to the Senate to vote on? So what Republican actions are you talking about exactly? If it was “Country First”, Keep, those chicken sh*t Liberals would have passed a budget. All the bickering earlier this year with passing 2 weeks here, 3 weeks there, would have never happened if the Democrats had stepped up to the plate LAST YEAR. Blame it on “Republican actions” if it’s makes you sleep better at night though, Keep.

As for the topic, “U.S. Sen. Saxby Chambliss, like Senate colleague Johnny Isakson and seven of Georgia’s eight GOP congressmen, has signed a public pledge to never, under any circumstances, increase taxes.” – It’s pretty simple. Those GOP Congressmen are morons. Simple enough for ya?

ty webb

May 13th, 2011
8:32 am

Granny,
Not sure what your point is.

Irwin M. Fletcher

May 13th, 2011
8:35 am

GLL – “That’s because the wealthy are eeeeevil. We must punish them. It’s not American to achieve. Only to be a ward of this glorious efficient government.”

No, we’re not evil, we just know how to use the tax codes to our advantage. Any increase to my taxes will be off set by the amount of deductions write offs I’m allowed to take. In addition, by diverting money through the various unitrusts, I’m not liable for any capital gains taxes. Therefore, go ahead and raise the taxes on my income bracket. I’ll survive.

cosby smith

May 13th, 2011
8:35 am

I really do not care who spear heads the no tax campaign. the Federal Government has a spending problem and not a revenue problem. 52% of US Citizens pay no taxes, so whose taxes are they going to raise. Taxes are a form of confisciation by the Government basciallly saying we can spend the money better and more wisley than you, the citizen. Time to get off the train as it is headed for a complete wreck. Tax and spend by the government elitist does not work. Put the Fair Tax in place, dump the 16th amendment and sit back and enjou the ride. Endowment for the Arts, bail out of big wallstreet elite, bail out of union destroyed GM and Crysler, Payments to the UN that want to take the US over…get over it..it is a spending problem, not a revenue problem

Gale

May 13th, 2011
8:36 am

It is not a problem of Democrats or Republicans. It is politicians who go to Washington to line their pockets instead of stewarding the peoples’ business.

ty webb

May 13th, 2011
8:37 am

“It is politicians who go to Washington to line their pockets instead of stewarding the peoples’ business.”

If true, then here’s an idea…stop giving them more money.

PJ

May 13th, 2011
8:37 am

Good little liberal @8:29 am – What???????????? Sorry I don’t understand Pig Latin that well but ry tay to peak say ngilsh esy lease pay.

Peadawg

May 13th, 2011
8:37 am

“It’s not American to achieve.” – It’s very American to achieve. But instead of raising their taxes to do stuff useful like high speed rail, better roads, more police, cleaner energy which would perfectly acceptable…Liberals want to raise taxes on the wealthy to they can have more entitlement programs/buy votes/send money off to other countries to please the world…and there in lies the problem.

Peadawg

May 13th, 2011
8:39 am

BTW, Luckovich’s cartoon today is absolutely hilarious!!

http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/?cxntlid=sldr_hm

I thought I saw a poody tat!!! I did I did see a poody tat!!!!!!!

kayaker 71

May 13th, 2011
8:39 am

Irwin M Fletcher,

I don’t think that anyone is talking about eliminating your fire and police protection, as well as cutting the budget for your local schools. If the tax increases proposed were for these purposes, the raise would probably be legitimate. But they are not. Congress does not provide the revenue for your local police and fire dept nor does it send the children in your neighborhood to school. Congress provides the revenue for things like Medicare, Social Security, the military, oil subsidies, ag subsidies, the gazillions of unneeded agencies and government depts that are redundant as teats on a boar hog and the 2,823,777 government employees that were paid $15,105,511,892 in 2009. There are over 65,000 jobs in the US government that pay in excess of 120K/yr. Bozo’s stimulus package that did absolutely no good to create jobs, cost the US taxpayer over 750B dollars. That’s the kind of spending I am talking about, Mr. Fletcher. Our government is so bloated with waste as to make a grade school economist shake his head. And you want more money to feed the beast. You should change your name to Jabba the Hut.

Peadawg

May 13th, 2011
8:39 am

“52% of US Citizens pay no taxes”

This was not intended to be a factual statement.

Good little liberal

May 13th, 2011
8:40 am

Irwin M. Fletcher

See!?!?

You are eeeeevil. If you weren’t evil, you would be poor like everybody else.

Have your Come to Jesus moment and give all your money to the government so they can give it to needy people. It’s the American way.

jm

May 13th, 2011
8:41 am

I love Coburn. He’s great.

Mick

May 13th, 2011
8:42 am

Jay – I got to hand it to you, you sure know how to get the cons flying off the rails on an early friday morning, hail bookman!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 13th, 2011
8:42 am

Those GOP Congressmen are morons

Well we can agree on that.

Don't Tread

May 13th, 2011
8:42 am

Cut spending first…get rid of the waste. (note: hell will freeze over first.)

“Hail Obama”

Sieg Heil Obama.

retired early

May 13th, 2011
8:42 am

Colburn is the lone GOP leader capable of thinking for himself. How utterly cowardly of these politicians to allow one man to tell them how to vote, when they are supposed to act in the best interest of the people who elected them. Anyone who voted for these puppets should be PO’d enough to vote them out at the first opportunity. Colburn is the only one who deserves to be reelected.

godless heathen

May 13th, 2011
8:43 am

I try to stay on topic, but hope you will all tolerate this diversion, although it is related to taxes.

Headline from the ajc: Towns may be flooded to save New Orleans

FEMA trying to determine where the Republicans live so they can get flooded this time?
Gotta save that fish bowl New Orleans again. Rebuilding the New Orleans levees is just resetting the trap.

Donovan

May 13th, 2011
8:43 am

I’ll remind all of you liberals that it was your doings that put us in this deficit mess. It is a fact that when you people get into power, your agenda is to tax and spend. Since 2006 the Democrats have maxed out this country’s credit card with such a vengence that their only recourse is to tax their way back to fiscal viability. However, this time they have gone too far. Their ridiculous idea of trying to tax only the wealthy is a joke. Not only is it discriminatory, it is a plan that won’t help. This Democrat rabble running the country has run up such a huge tab that only massive cuts in Democrat entitlements figure into the cure. Since the Democrat play book page on taxing and spending does not work now, the next play book page on blaming the Republicans for the spending problem and their stand on no new taxs is now woefully in play now. The American people do not want anymore spending. The fragile economy does not need increased taxation. Figure it out Democrats. So far you all are opposed to cutting up your credit cards. You made your bed, so sleep in it. It’s a whole new ball game now. What worked for you in the past no longer is a viable option. Your goose that laid the golden egg has flown the coop. Bite the bullet, cut up the credit card, and start cutting.

Good little liberal

May 13th, 2011
8:44 am

Peadawg

Democrats are very wise. By raising money on very wealthy people, they an have more power so they will always be in charge. And just look at how well they have managed the economy since they took over in 2006.

They are almost like GODS!!!

Hail Obama. Hail Obama!!! He;s our God and he will lead us to the promised land where there are no more evil wealthy people.

Irwin M. Fletcher

May 13th, 2011
8:44 am

Kayaker – “Mr. Fletcher. Our government is so bloated with waste as to make a grade school economist shake his head. And you want more money to feed the beast. You should change your name to Jabba the Hut.”

Never said that “I” want more money. I simply made the point that taxes are necessary and as the population increases so does the spending. If you don’t like paying taxes, take advantage of the tax code. Use your investments to generate income and utilize the various financial options available to everyone to decrease your liablity. It’s not rocket science.

stands for decibels

May 13th, 2011
8:45 am

As one measure of his considerable power, earlier this year Georgia Republicans refused to move forward with their proposal to revamp the state’s tax structure until Norquist could be consulted and give it his blessing. When Norquist balked, legislators then agreed to rewrite the bill to accommodate his demands.

Does Grover have a cache of these guys frolicking about in interracial gay escapes, captured on video? Because that’d explain a lot. Otherwise, that GA GOPers would give veto power to some freak most Georgians have never even heard of… well the word “dereliction of duty” comes to mind.

anyway, gotta go fill the bathtub. Later, all.

stands for decibels

May 13th, 2011
8:45 am

oy. Escapades. Not Escapes. I beez stoopit this morning (as opposed to all other days…)

/db

Irwin M. Fletcher

May 13th, 2011
8:46 am

GLL – “Have your Come to Jesus moment and give all your money to the government so they can give it to needy people. It’s the American way.”

I give what’s required of me.

Left wing management

May 13th, 2011
8:46 am

GROVER NORQUIST = RIGOR MORTIS in the joints of an empire that’s out of ideas and losing the will to govern itself

carlosgvv

May 13th, 2011
8:47 am

Jay, I have been watching for some time now part of my tax money going to support Pakistan, a country we now know was almost certainly shielding Bin Ladin. I also see my tax money going to other countries in “foreign aid” who have nothing but contempt for us. And you wonder why the American people are so against any more taxes? And, lets not even talk about all the tax money wasted in this country on pork and other useless projects.

Peadawg

May 13th, 2011
8:48 am

“Hail Obama. Hail Obama!!! He;s our God and he will lead us to the promised land where there are no more evil wealthy people.” – Hopefully his promise land includes 72 slutty chicks instead of 72 virgins….

” It is a fact that when you people get into power, your agenda is to tax and spend.” – Except this time the moron-in-chief extended the tax cuts, but kept spending.

Mick

May 13th, 2011
8:48 am

donovan

Seek medical help immediately, too many acid trips has landed you in….bizarro repub world where up is down and dirty is clean. You can be saved….

Gator Joe

May 13th, 2011
8:48 am

We should call the Republicans’ bluff on refusal to raise the debt ceiling. I would love to see them pitted against their wealthy, wall-street benefactors. As for the Republicans walking into negotiations with “Tax increases are off the table”, a simple response for them, “Don’t the door hit you in the a–.”

Just wait...

May 13th, 2011
8:49 am

The republicans have taken on the worst and most detrimental aspect of the Tea Party, at their own peril. There are giving ultimatums (threats) and refuse to negotiate to do what is right for this country. They are like a stubborn dog planting his paws in the ground, refusing to budge. Well, perhaps they need a good yank on the leash – yanking them right out of Washington.

Dave R.

May 13th, 2011
8:49 am

“We already see them trotting out the talking points — the 2011 budget that the “Dems” did not pass (never mind the realty of the politics that led to that including republicans actions). ”

Weak as usual, Keep. It couldn’t possibly be the Democrat’s fault for not passing something as simple as a budget. It MUST have had something to do with those pesky Republicans WHO DIDN’T HAVE A MAJORITY IN EITHER HOUSE OF CONGRESS!

The stark reality is that Dems refuse to acknowledge their failures. Period. Nothing to see here. Move on. Those titles of Speaker of the House and Senate Majority Leader mean nothing. Really; no really – nothing to see here.

A majority of Americans didn’t like our HCR? Not our fault. They just don’t understand what’s in it.

Spend about a trillion dollars to stimulate the economy with little to show for it? Not our fault.

Disrespect the office of the President by inviting a rapper to the White House who threatened to burn my predecessor? No problem. Really. He’s just a “poet”.

Cash for Clunkers spending an average of $45+k per car taken off the road? Not our fault.

Increased spending even when income levels were dropping like a stone? Couldn’t be us. WE weren’t in control of the House for the past 4 years. That must have been someone else.

Get handed the biggest electoral loss since the 1920’s? That wasn’t any mandate because the Republicans till look worse than us in national polls.

Democrats are the poster child for dodging personal responsibility.

Left wing management

May 13th, 2011
8:50 am

Mitch McConnell: “We’re not going to raise taxes. That was decided in last November’s election. I think the American people pretty clearly believe that we have the deficit problem because we spend too much, not because we tax too little”

This is delusion of Jared Loughner-proportions.

RIGOR MORTIS in the joints of empire

Rome here we come.

Good little liberal

May 13th, 2011
8:51 am

Well, it’s been fun.

It’s always fun to watch the people who spend every day of their lives on this blog demanding that the government raises taxes. They are here all day so they are either unemployed, not paying taxes, retired, paying little or no taxes or independently wealthy and paying few taxes.

I need to get to work so I can pay more taxes and make you guys all happy. After all. according to the people on this blog, if we don’t pay more taxes, we won’t have fire and police protection and our schools will close, all taken from local taxes.

Have fun guys. I’m sure you will figure out lots of ways to insult people who don’t agree with you.

Peadawg

May 13th, 2011
8:51 am

We should call the Democrats’ bluff on refusal to cur taxes.

Fixed your typo, Gator. Go back to Gainesville with your mullet and jean shorts.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 13th, 2011
8:51 am

Except this time the moron-in-chief extended the tax cuts

Translation:
Except this time the Republican morons demanded that the tax cuts include those who did not need them to stimulate the economy left in devastation by the Republican morons and to avoid going off the cliff, the President reluctantly agreed and the Republican morons and the Dems in Congress passed the bill and the President signed it.

Irwin M. Fletcher

May 13th, 2011
8:52 am

GLL – “I need to get to work so I can pay more taxes and make you guys all happy.”

Sounds like Wealth Envy.

ragnar danneskjold

May 13th, 2011
8:53 am

The flaw in the leftist calculation is that misguided belief that tax incre-ases are necessary. Almost none of the nonmilitary spending is necessary. Most of the Federal agencies exist only to diminish the private sector, through misguided regulation and economically-unsound civil litigation. Waste on waste. The only valid functions any government serves are (1) killing those who should be killed, (2) depriving freedom of those who threaten others, and (3) confiscating wealth. Our government forces are putting too much emphasis on items (2) and (3), to the detriment of the private economy.

Peadawg

May 13th, 2011
8:54 am

*cur* should be *cut* @ 8:51

Peadawg

May 13th, 2011
8:54 am

and it should also be CUT SPENDING @ 8:51

yikes…

Paul

May 13th, 2011
8:55 am

“GOP’s purity pledge”

I notice they never answer, pure what?

This explains why, when I asked a couple conservative bloggers yesterday, I never got an answer to ‘what’s a RINO? A conservative vs a ‘true’ conservative?

It’s because they’re embarrassed. And can’t stand the realization they’re being played by others.

It all makes sense, now -

Peadawg

May 13th, 2011
8:55 am

” the President reluctantly agreed”

Translation:
The President needs to grow a backbone if he knew it wasn’t the right thing to do.

(ir)Rational

May 13th, 2011
8:56 am

Keep – I would like to know how the Republicans held so much power last December when the taxes weren’t raised, if they didn’t control either House of Congress? I thought it was the Democrats that were still in charge when they didn’t raise taxes?

Doggone/GA

May 13th, 2011
8:57 am

“The President needs to grow a backbone if he knew it wasn’t the right thing to do”

Maybe the Republicans should grow a backbone too. After all, it was THEY who caved to the President on extending the UE benefits in the same bill.

Good little liberal

May 13th, 2011
8:57 am

Irwin M. Fletcher

I always wonder about people who come to blogs bragging that they are wealthy. All that money and nothing better to do than come to a blog and brag about having all that money.

Pretty pathetic really.

Dave R.

May 13th, 2011
8:57 am

“This explains why, when I asked a couple conservative bloggers yesterday, I never got an answer to ‘what’s a RINO? A conservative vs a ‘true’ conservative?”

Or maybe your questions were irrelevant? ;)

Just expanding the probabilities . . .

Peadawg

May 13th, 2011
8:58 am

“Headline from the ajc: Towns may be flooded to save New Orleans”

“With that threat looming, some 25,000 people in an area known for small farms, fish camps, crawfish and a drawling French dialect are hurriedly packing their things and worrying that their homes and way of life might soon be drowned.”

So to save the dump, disgusting city that is New Orleans, they are going to flood farms and fish camps? Nice….

Left wing management

May 13th, 2011
8:58 am

Paul: “I notice they never answer, pure what? ”

Precisely the right question!! I love it.

The purity of the corpse lying on the slab.

Rigor mortis of empire.

Gator Joe

May 13th, 2011
8:59 am

Thanks for correcting my typo, and Peadawg I wouldn’t dare copy your taste in hair and fashion, or your ingnorance.

Peadawg

May 13th, 2011
9:00 am

“After all, it was THEY who caved to the President on extending the UE benefits in the same bill.” – Which would have been fine if we had the money to pay for them (i.e. higher taxes). Sorry, Doggie, Obama should had been the leader on this one. But see it as you will.

jm

May 13th, 2011
9:00 am

from george will. amen.

The lesson of all this is that one’s sense of possibilities — and proprieties — is shaped by what we know, and often do not know, about history. The regnant ideology within the Obama administration and among congressional Democrats is reactionary liberalism, the conviction that whatever government programs exist should forever exist because they always have existed. That is, as baby boomers, in their narcissism — or perhaps solipsism; or both — understand “always.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/history-lessons-for-obama-and-other-liberals/2011/05/11/AFXxmdsG_story.html?hpid=z4

(ir)Rational

May 13th, 2011
9:01 am

Peadawg – it goes back to laws enacted in the 20s (don’t quote me on the when, but I believe it was in that time frame) that made it the Army Corps of Engineer’s #1 priority with the Mississippi to save the towns like Memphis and New Orleans in the case of floods like this.

PJ

May 13th, 2011
9:01 am

Good little liberal’s job must be in his john. He sure got to work quick.

Doggone/GA

May 13th, 2011
9:01 am

“that made it the Army Corps of Engineer’s #1 priority with the Mississippi to save the towns like Memphis and New Orleans in the case of floods like this”

And that is because the cost of restoring infrastructure in major port and economic centers is FAR more expensive than for small towns.

Irwin M. Fletcher

May 13th, 2011
9:01 am

GLL – ” always wonder about people who come to blogs bragging that they are wealthy. All that money and nothing better to do than come to a blog and brag about having all that money.”

I haven’t “bragged” about anything. I’ve merely pointed out that there are a number of ways to keep your money in your pocket and still pay the required taxes.

RB from Gwinnett

May 13th, 2011
9:01 am

““Which pledge is most important… the pledge to uphold your oath to the Constitution of the United States or a pledge from a special interest group ”

Good question Jay. And for you, is it more important for you to uphold the standards of a journalist or to be a hyper partisan hack doing the bidding of the DNC on here every day?

Pot meet kettle.

jm

May 13th, 2011
9:02 am

retired early 8:42 – not intended to be a factual statement. Not to mention, RE is so clueless he can’t even spell the guy’s name correctly.

Left wing management

May 13th, 2011
9:03 am

We’re Rome, but without a future Caesar to march against the stiff-jointed.

In other words, we’re all but doomed.

Just wait...

May 13th, 2011
9:03 am

Good little liberal
May 13th, 2011
8:31 am

That’s because the wealthy are eeeeevil. We must punish them. It’s not American to achieve. Only to be a ward of this glorious efficient government.

That is not it at all GLL and you know it. It is expected that the wealthy pay their share. Instead, you have the truly wealthy paying just 15% on capital gains, while the middle class pays 25 – 33%. There are NO wealthy people out there paying 35% with all of their tax breaks and capital gains. Pay your share.

And the argument that 50% of citizens don’t pay taxes is pathetic, especially when the bottom 80% of this country has just 15% of the wealth.

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

Peadawg

May 13th, 2011
9:03 am

” that made it the Army Corps of Engineer’s #1 priority”

Um…it should had been the Army Corps of Engineer’s #1 priority to not build a city under sea level right on the edge of the Gulf of Mexico. Just sayin….

@@

May 13th, 2011
9:03 am

Proposed spending cuts are nowhere near what they should be. “No new taxes” until?

It’s the only leverage we’ve got. Vedder & Galloway…”For every $1.00 they take in, government will find a way to spend $1.59. History has proven that it will NOT be used to reduce the deficit.

Either everyone outside D.C. feels the pain, or D.C., alone, feels the pain.

I vote for D.C. (Deficit Crash).

Doggone/GA

May 13th, 2011
9:04 am

“it should had been the Army Corps of Engineer’s #1 priority not build a city under sea level right on the edge of the Gulf of Mexico”

Don’t know much about history, do you?

jm

May 13th, 2011
9:04 am

jm

May 13th, 2011
9:05 am

“Don’t know much about history, do you?” Mirror mirror, on the wall…..

Paul

May 13th, 2011
9:07 am

Dave R.

“Or maybe your questions were irrelevant?”

“Just expanding the probabilities . . .”

of how to duck a question? :-) :-)