Even at Ground Zero, no neutral political ground

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President Obama traveled to Manhattan today to pay his respects at Ground Zero, a gesture of closure after the killing of Osama bin Laden. He participated in a small ceremony and greeted family members of those who had been killed there, but made no public remarks.

Later, at a nearby firehouse that lost 15 firemen on Sept. 11, Obama did speak briefly.

“What happened on Sunday, because of the courage of our military and the outstanding work of our intelligence, sent a message around the world, but also sent a message here back home that when we say we will never forget, we mean what we say. Our commitment to making sure that justice is done is something that transcended politics, transcended party.”

Obama had invited former President George W. Bush to join him at the site, an offer that Bush declined. The invitation was appropriate, and Bush’s decision to decline surely offers no cause for criticism or speculation about his “real reasons.”

Moe Lane, writing at RedState about Obama’s “feel-good bullying attempts”, says Bush declined out of fear that Obama might — just “might” — use the occasion for “Bush-bashing.” He writes:

“I know that this is incomprehensible to many on the Left, but more people than the Left thinks still like George W. Bush – and watching him have to sit there silently while his successor tries (unsuccessfully) to bully him would touch them (us) off. And that would be bad for the President, because by and large the people who still like Bush have been holding back a bit on going after Obama hammer and tongs on national security.”

In an editorial, The Washington Times admits that “honoring those who fell on 9/11 days after Osama bin Laden’s demise is fitting,” yet goes on to say that Obama’s actions have “the appearance of opportunistic political theater.” It concludes:

“The president who stood on the smoking ruins of the Twin Towers pledging American resolve in the war on terrorism does not have to return there to participate in the first photo op of Mr. Obama’s reelection campaign.”

It’s all rather sad.

– Jay Bookman

509 comments Add your comment

Granny Godzilla

May 5th, 2011
4:47 pm

One silly season ending….another just beginning.

Gotta’ love American politics.

God Bless the 9/11 victims and their families.

josef nix

May 5th, 2011
4:48 pm

And, once again, I think President Obama did the right thing and did it right…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 5th, 2011
4:51 pm

President Obama has done the right thing and rightly so, as josef noted, but we already know that the wingnuts will attack on some made up grounds, false claims, lies and more because it does not fit into their “world view”.

Granny Godzilla

May 5th, 2011
4:53 pm

keeps

that’s because the average wingnuts world view ends right at the tip of their very own noses.

Soothsayer

May 5th, 2011
4:53 pm

I don’t know if anyone has already posted but oil is down nearly $10.00 to $99.55/bbl. Dow down 139 points.

Kamchak

May 5th, 2011
4:56 pm

Cue the “victory lap” meme in 3…2…1….

Yippee

May 5th, 2011
4:56 pm

Bush made the right call in not appearing for the photo-op. Obama had an opportunity here and once again tripped over his ego. The flap over the photos is silly and is another ploy by Obama and his handlers to shift focus from the economic disaster we are living, much like the birth certificate game. Don’t be fooled by these stunts. Checked gas prices and food prices lately? Seen the latest unemployment filings? The car is heading for the cliff and Obama only knows how to fiddle with the radio knobs. We are in deep doo-doo my friends.

Harry Callahan

May 5th, 2011
4:56 pm

And once again, Keep Up and Granny Godzilla launch a broadside of straw man/ad hominem attacks before anyone posts anything even remotely contrarian…

ProgressivePeach

May 5th, 2011
4:56 pm

Both poles aren’t going to change their minds, but the swing independent voters are figuring out the President Obama’s a true, intelligent leader, and the GOP are spoiled crybabies carrying water for their plutocratic corporate masters. The scales are falling from their eyes. As long as they’re not distracted by Faux disinformation in the next 18 months, I feel comfortable they’ll know the right thing do for for America.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

May 5th, 2011
4:57 pm

Well, I see they missed bin Laden with the first shot when he stuck his head out the bedroom door. They was shooting first and asking questions later.

I can’t blame My President for not helping this Kenyan illegal Socialist Obama get all the good press for something he only pushed the button on. It’s bad enough we’re looking at six more years of this guy and the end of Trickle Down. We don’t need godly Republicans helping him get elected again. I just wish Fox News would stop showing him. I get down when I think of the end of the Tax Cuts and all the welfare queens that are going to be cruising the streets in new Escalades and Mercedes. Lord, why do sinners ways prosper and us hard-working folks just keep paying and paying?

Dave R.

May 5th, 2011
4:57 pm

And if this President hadn’t already set the table with his invite and dissing of Paul Ryan, and his direct challenge to the SCOTUS during a State of the Union speech, maybe, just maybe some on the right wouldn’t be thinking this way today.

Actions have consequences.

Harry Callahan

May 5th, 2011
4:58 pm

“that’s because the average wingnuts world view ends right at the tip of their very own noses.”

Granny,

Please define “wingnut” and then tell us how you know so much about their world view. Unless of course you consider yourself a wiingnut, and therefore have first hand experience.

Southern Comfort

May 5th, 2011
4:58 pm

I think it would have been a fitting tribute for Bush to be there with Obama. I would even let Bush give the remarks. He was at the wheel when 9/11 happened, and he did say that we would get those responsible. I can understand Bush wanting to stay out of the spotlight, but for others to make political hay about his decision says more about our decline as a society than anything else ever could.

It’s a shame that anything/everything that happens now has to be viewed through the prism of Left/Right politics. Once we realize that we’re all Americans, maybe we can send both fringes off on melting icebergs.

poison pen

May 5th, 2011
4:59 pm

Libs wouldn’t bash Bush, would they?

Granny Godzilla

May 5th, 2011
4:59 pm

Actions have consequences.

Alleluia and Amen!!!!

Harry Callahan

May 5th, 2011
5:00 pm

“we already know that the wingnuts will attack on some made up grounds, false claims, lies and more because it does not fit into their “world view”.”

I think Dave R’s analysis was excellent. Do you consider it made up, false, and/or a lie?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 5th, 2011
5:00 pm

Harry, more dishonesty like editing quotes to change meaning? You mean to say that we have to wait for posters to say something here before commenting. You have some strange blinders. Sorry if I incorporate what is known to the rest of the world.

Paul

May 5th, 2011
5:00 pm

President Obama demonstrated class regarding inviting President Bush.

President Bush demonstrated class in his response.

The pundits demonstrated no class, whatsoever.

“It’s all rather sad.”

And sadder still because it is all too predictable.

Yippee

May 5th, 2011
5:00 pm

Does anyone here have the integrity to simply admit that enhanced interrogation worked?!?

poison pen

May 5th, 2011
5:01 pm

Southern Comfort

May 5th, 2011
4:58 pm
I think it would have been a fitting tribute for Bush to be there with Obama. I would even let Bush give the remarks. He was at the wheel when 9/11 happened, and he did say that we would get those responsible. I can understand Bush wanting to stay out of the spotlight, but for others to make political hay about his decision says more about our decline as a society than anything else ever could.

It’s a shame that anything/everything that happens now has to be viewed through the prism of Left/Right politics. Once we realize that we’re all Americans, maybe we can send both fringes off on melting icebergs.

SoCo, well said.

Granny Godzilla

May 5th, 2011
5:01 pm

Oh Harry…..bless your heart…

Dusty

May 5th, 2011
5:01 pm

So Bookman posts a new topic and right away we get unpleasant comments about “cons”. Never fails.

Mrs. Bush made a nice statement saying that Pres. Bush thought it best to make this Pres. Obama’s day. He does not wish to get into the limelight right after his presidency.

President Bush has character. I think Pres. Obama also showed character extending the invitation. Now if OTHER citizens could keep their mouths shut, it would better show the character of our country.

pat

May 5th, 2011
5:02 pm

How dumb can you be…Bush has stated many times that he stays out of the spotlight so that obama can be in it. He stated from the begining he was going to to that. He said he would not talk about or criticize obama, and he was going to stay out of the way.
You sad pathetic people just want to hate just to hate.

Message from Matti

May 5th, 2011
5:02 pm

President Obama should NOT have politicized the OBL kill the way he did!!

He should have, very humbly and modestly, out of respect for the victims and sacrifices of our military, put on a military flight suit, stuffed a codpiece in his crotch and pulled the straps tight, and had a helicopter drop him off on an aircraft carrier where cameras were waiting to broadcast his victory speech in front of a giant, “Mission Accomplished!” banner. Then his critics would have nothing to criticize from the “appearance” of the event.

Harry Callahan

May 5th, 2011
5:02 pm

In my opinion, people who are ready, willing and able to raise taxes on “the rich’, knowing full will it won’t impact THEM, are guilty of a “world view that ends right at the tip of their very own noses.”

ty webb

May 5th, 2011
5:03 pm

I doubt Moe “knyuck, knyuck, knyuck” Lane speaks for President Bush. I commend both Presidents. President Obama for ordering the mission that took out that SOB, and for giving the city of New York atleast some sort of “closure”(I hate using psychobabble). And President Bush for having the class to act like former Presidents should…yeah Jimmy, I’m looking at you.

Granny Godzilla

May 5th, 2011
5:03 pm

Yippee

May 5th, 2011
5:00 pm
Does anyone here have the integrity to simply admit that enhanced interrogation worked?!?

that wouldn’t be integrity it would be evil

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 5th, 2011
5:03 pm

Does anyone here have the integrity to simply admit that enhanced interrogation worked?!?

You must “admit” a lie and a criminal act to have integrity? You live in a strange world.

Kamchak

May 5th, 2011
5:03 pm

And if this President hadn’t…

And if a frog had wings, he wouldn’t bump his ass every time he tried to fly.

Harry Callahan

May 5th, 2011
5:04 pm

“Harry, more dishonesty like editing quotes to change meaning?”

If you’re not willing to explain or defend your views, maybe you shouldn’t post them.

josef nix

May 5th, 2011
5:05 pm

I think former President Bush acted properly.

Night Train

May 5th, 2011
5:05 pm

Obama was right to invite Bush and Bush was right in declining. This was Obama’s moment.

You know, there are times when being an R or a D should have no bearing on the moment.

AmVet

May 5th, 2011
5:05 pm

Man, talk about a really, really bad week for the talking head nitwits like Glenn Beck…

Yippee

May 5th, 2011
5:06 pm

…He said he would not talk about or criticize obama,…

Bush has class.

Harry Callahan

May 5th, 2011
5:06 pm

Keep Up,

You are asserting that it is a lie to say that “enhanced interrogation” played a role in the death of Bin Laden?

Harry Callahan

May 5th, 2011
5:06 pm

“Man, talk about a really, really bad week for the talking head nitwits like Glenn Beck…”

He’s still getting paid. Olbermann?

Soothsayer

May 5th, 2011
5:07 pm

josef nix

May 5th, 2011
5:08 pm

ty

Jimmy Carter? You mean the promo man for Hamas? He should’ve stuck with Habitat for Humanity…that was class…al Het, hell!

AmVet

May 5th, 2011
5:08 pm

Does any con here have the nads to admit that enhanced interrogation is just Cheney-speak for torture?

Yippee

May 5th, 2011
5:08 pm

Granny Godzilla

May 5th, 2011
5:03 pm
Yippee

May 5th, 2011
5:00 pm
Does anyone here have the integrity to simply admit that enhanced interrogation worked?!?

that wouldn’t be integrity it would be evil

Huh? You must have intended to type something that made sense, which the above does not.

Harry Callahan

May 5th, 2011
5:09 pm

“Does any con here have the nads to admit that enhanced interrogation is just Cheney-speak for torture?”

Do you have the nads to admit you are a socialist?

Yippee

May 5th, 2011
5:09 pm

AmVet

May 5th, 2011
5:08 pm
Does any con here have the nads to admit that enhanced interrogation is just Cheney-speak for torture?

Osama is dead, right?

josef nix

May 5th, 2011
5:09 pm

Night Train
@ 5:05

Yep. And this was one of them. Both gentlemen deserve respect for the way they dealt with this, imho.

ty webb

May 5th, 2011
5:11 pm

Yeah Josef, He’s done great things through habitat for humanity. I just wish he recognized that as his life’s calling earlier…much earlier.

Harry Callahan

May 5th, 2011
5:11 pm

AmVet,

I have no problem with waterboarding known Al Qaeda operatives, if that is your question. Nor do I consider it evil or illegal.

How do you like them nads?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 5th, 2011
5:12 pm

Harry, oh it played a role but not necessarily a positive one.

I didn’t realize that I was required to defend my view further when you edit the quote to change the meaning…I thought that “dishonest and irrelevant” pretty much summed up my thoughts about you. What do I have to defend in your “mind” about wingnuts and their world view that you attack as somehow being wrong because no poster here on this particular blog at this particular time has said something you find to fit that?

josef nix

May 5th, 2011
5:12 pm

HARRY

And what, pray tell, is wrong with being a socialist in a free, democratic and open society? Not your personal opinions on socialism, that’s another matter. But it’s not just a word to throw out against someone you disagree with…

Kamchak

May 5th, 2011
5:13 pm

Does any con here have the nads to admit that enhanced interrogation is just Cheney-speak for torture?

Polling is still a little early, but all indications point toward deflection.

Harry Callahan

May 5th, 2011
5:13 pm

I thought immediately of Jimmy Carter when Hamas blasted the death of Bin Laden. Doesn’t he have handlers or doctors or family members to shut him up before he makes any bigger fool of himself?

Lil' Barry Bailout

May 5th, 2011
5:13 pm

AP Source: Obama to meet some from bin Laden raid

WASHINGTON (AP) — A White House official says President Barack Obama will meet with some of those involved in the military assault that killed Osama bin Laden when he visits Fort Campbell, Ky., on Friday.
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Spike the ball much?

I keep checking my calendar, and no, it isn’t the 9/11 anniversary. Normally, we’d lay a wreath to commemorate that anniversary. The Idiot Messiah makes a campaign stop to lay a wreath commemorating killing bin Laden.

If it’s political, it’s in part because the Idiot Messiah is turning it into a campaign event.

josef nix

May 5th, 2011
5:14 pm

ty

I somewhat liked Jimmy until he pulled that Hamas sh*t…no respect for him at all anymore…

Smeat

May 5th, 2011
5:14 pm

The Kentucky Derby is this weekend. This year they ought to substitute the Mint Juleps with Bin Laden Cocktails.

Two shots and a splash of water.

Harry Callahan

May 5th, 2011
5:14 pm

“I thought that “dishonest and irrelevant” pretty much summed up my thoughts about you.”

Irrelevant, maybe, hell probably, but dishonest? Still waiting for one of you who has assigned me that lable to post an example of it.

Harry Callahan

May 5th, 2011
5:15 pm

“And for the willfully ignorant here, torture had nothing to do with getting the information needed to zero in on OBL.”

Where did you ge tthat information? You have the highest national security clearance or something?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 5th, 2011
5:15 pm

Well there we go. Harry does not consider something illegal so it must not be.

thomas

May 5th, 2011
5:16 pm

Granny Godzilla

May 5th, 2011
5:03 pm
Yippee

May 5th, 2011
5:00 pm

“that wouldn’t be integrity it would be evil”

What is killing an unarmed man, if torturing those with knowledge of the unarmed man’s whereabouts is evil?

Yippee

May 5th, 2011
5:17 pm

Grandpappy warned me about arguing with idiots. I miss that wise old fellow.

Harry Callahan

May 5th, 2011
5:17 pm

“And what, pray tell, is wrong with being a socialist in a free, democratic and open society?”

Nothing wrong, although philosophically “socialist” and “freedom” don’t necessarily go hand-in-hand.

I just wonder why he doesn’t have the nads to admit it. when he expects everyone else to have the nads to admit their positions.

pogo

May 5th, 2011
5:17 pm

So Jay, you don’t think that Obama’s decision to go to Ground Zero today was politically motivated? You have to know it was but then again, knowing how liberals think, maybe not. The more appropriate thing for Obama to have done was made his speech Sunday and say we got the piece of trash and then move on. But no, he had to grandstand in New York, didn’t he?

If the tables would have been turned and Bush had done this, the progressives would have been wailing and knashing their teeth about how much of a “cowboy” he was. And after all, you liberals wrote the book on visciously attacking politicians with whom you disagree politically, whether your charges are founded or not. Aren’t you flattered that us conservatives have now adopted your very own tactics? But now, you espouse to be astounded that the same is happening to Obama? Go cry your crocodile tears somewhere else Jay. Yea, its your blog and you can say what you want but you have to live with yourself. If you can live with what you know is a lie then go ahead. That is your cup of tea. You do nothing but stir political hatred everyday of the week here. Your contribution to the whole discussion is nothing more than a tilted diatribe intended to make yourself money.

josef nix

May 5th, 2011
5:17 pm

Smeat

Now, thass funny… :-)

Jay

May 5th, 2011
5:18 pm

AmVet, while you’re here:

I earlier asked that both you and Thulsa cease your petty feud, whatever its source or cause. He agreed, and I said I would make the same request of you once you reappeared here. I’d appreciate it if you’d honor that.

DannyX

May 5th, 2011
5:18 pm

Bush did the right thing. W knows its still too early, his self-imposed exile isn’t due to expire for another 8 years. Nixon did the right thing and planted himself in San Clemente for years after his disgraceful exit.

Let the disgraced Bush serve his time.

thomas

May 5th, 2011
5:19 pm

AmVet

May 5th, 2011
5:08 pm

Don’t know if I am a con ( i usually disagree with you and notice you normally call those who do cons) but if you notice I tend to call torture, torture everytime.

Why is it bad to torture, but ok to kill unarmed men?

I’m cool with both in this case. But seems one would rather be alive and maybe sore or scared than you know dead!

Jay

May 5th, 2011
5:19 pm

Actually, Pogo, Bush DID go to Ground Zero. Some rather iconic photos date from his visit there as I recall. And yet I seriously doubt there was much complaining at the time that he was playing partisan politics.

josef nix

May 5th, 2011
5:20 pm

HARRY

“Nothing wrong, although philosophically “socialist” and “freedom” don’t necessarily go hand-in-hand.”

Quite true,,,nor are they necessarilly mutual exclusive…

Paul

May 5th, 2011
5:21 pm

Smeat

LOL! Just sent that on to a son who’s a Derby attendee. Last year he and his wife had the one-year old in a baby tux for the event. Don’t know how many Mint Juleps my son had to get thru it -

President Hussein

May 5th, 2011
5:21 pm

AmVet, if we waterboarded you, I bet we can find out you were the inspiration for Corporal Klinger in MASH!!! :)

I wonder if Barry got approval from the “truthers” before he went to NYC

Dusty

May 5th, 2011
5:21 pm

Could we delete some favorite words here just for a change of perspective? Anyone who uses “cons, wingnuts, ‘nads”, or even “libs” should be MODERATED right into next week.

I like free speech but CHEAP speech is something else. (I admit I have used “libs”. Forgive me. I will do better. Will you?)

Logical Dude

May 5th, 2011
5:21 pm

“Socialist”

“I do not believe the word means what you think it means”

Yahtzee

May 5th, 2011
5:21 pm

its funny how much attention Bush is receiving by choosing not to attend and if it was the right thing to do…does it really matter? if it does matter so much, where are all the columns on why Clinton declined to join as well?

Yippee

May 5th, 2011
5:22 pm

You libs are right; Obama & Company would never use the killing of Osama for political gain, or would they…

Gutsycall.com Redirects Users to Obama’s Campaign Website

“Obama’s not one to “spike the football” after a victory (or after killing Osama bin Laden), but it seems his campaign team (or some of his ardent supporters) doesn’t feel the same way. Check out http://www.gutsycall.com — it redirects users to Obama’s campaign website, http://www.barackobama.com. Could it be that his reelection campaign made this call? Or is it just a couple of his most steadfast supporters?

According to this domain lookup website, the website was purchased yesterday, May 4. The purchaser, though, remains anonymous.”

Pathetic, but typical.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 5th, 2011
5:23 pm

Well if shooting an unarmed person during a criminal/military action is wrong, we’ve got a few law enforcement officials to prosecute. Nor does that mean that torture is legal or acceptable.

Jay

May 5th, 2011
5:23 pm

And Little One, when President Bush met with soldiers who had captured Saddam, and when they presented him with Saddam’s sidearm, I’m sure you had the same response to that as you do to Obama’s meeting with the SEALs.

Right?

Kamchak

May 5th, 2011
5:23 pm

Tick…tick…tick….

President Hussein

May 5th, 2011
5:24 pm

Thomas, AmVet’s idea of torture was serving K-rations as a cook…waterboarding’s nothing

josef nix

May 5th, 2011
5:24 pm

DUSTY

“I like free speech but CHEAP speech is something else”

That’s a good one! Can I add it to my repertoire? :-)

Yippee

May 5th, 2011
5:24 pm

Smeat

May 5th, 2011
5:14 pm
The Kentucky Derby is this weekend. This year they ought to substitute the Mint Juleps with Bin Laden Cocktails.

Two shots and a splash of water.

Very good. Is permission granted to use your material? Again, very good. Thanks for the laugh:-)

Smeat

May 5th, 2011
5:25 pm

So Bin Laden had 750 Euros and two numbers sewn into his clothes when we killed him. Hmmm.

I’ll bet there are at least two more scumbags decomposing somewhere.

The Euros we got should be used to pay for the bullets we had to purchase.

President Hussein

May 5th, 2011
5:26 pm

Dusty, then all Granny and AmVet would say is , Uh Uh Uh Uh Uh ….Bush bad….Bush bad

Smeat

May 5th, 2011
5:27 pm

It’s going viral I think. Someone emailed it to me.

It’s a great joke !

Dave R.

May 5th, 2011
5:27 pm

“Actually, Pogo, Bush DID go to Ground Zero. Some rather iconic photos date from his visit there as I recall. And yet I seriously doubt there was much complaining at the time that he was playing partisan politics.”

The difference is that one immediately followed a national tragedy, and one immediately followed a retribution for the tragedy.

One was appropriate, and one was not.

Left wing management

May 5th, 2011
5:27 pm

One of the definitions of nihilism in the philosophical sense is that all values collapse into an indiscriminate will to accumulate power, after a final recognition that all our principles and values ever amounted to was just a mask for that will to dominate others and hoard power for yourself. The ability to recognize a sphere – e.g. the political – that is outside sway of crass political clawing and scratching is one example of a casualty of that will to power which we’re seeing play out before our very eyes.

The current media environment is now at a place where ideological opinion and the manufacturing of spin runs 24 hrs a day and 7 days a week. Even if the hack who wrote the line ““The president who stood on the smoking ruins of the Twin Towers pledging American resolve in the war on terrorism does not have to return there to participate in the first photo op of Mr. Obama’s reelection campaign” doesn’t really believe it in his or her heart of hearts, they write it anyway, because they’re paid by an institution that feeds that demands, so it’s going to be written anyway. Even if one person says No, I won’t prostitute myself that way for every last inch of ideological spin, they would just be pushed out of the way and replaced by some other slightly more cynical person. Until finally the entire process is infected with the disease. Which is exactly what we’re seeing.

The time we live is succumbing to a new nihilism, different in some ways from what infected Europe in the 20s and 30s, but not entirely so different. Time will tell I guess.

Harry Callahan

May 5th, 2011
5:27 pm

Jay…seriously…

Kep Up’s post at 5:21 can stand, but not the one where I enquired about it?

Classic……….

Jay

May 5th, 2011
5:28 pm

Keep, that was over the line. It’s been taken down.

And Harry, what on earth are you posting that old statement for other than to start another personal snitfest? There is no other reason for doing so. None. It has nothing to do with anything other than starting what you seem to revel in.

One more time.

One.

Paul

May 5th, 2011
5:31 pm

Yahtzee

“its funny how much attention Bush is receiving by choosing not to attend and if it was the right thing to do…does it really matter?”

Only to those who want to politicize the incident. Pres Bush has been very consistent in not responding or getting involved, even in the early days when the Obama Administration regularly directed some pretty harsh comments his way.

But reverse it. If he’d accepted, some people would’ve still gone bananas.

Harry Callahan

May 5th, 2011
5:31 pm

“And Harry, what on earth are you posting that old statement for other than to start another personal snitfest?”

AmVet posted something I found objectionable. Looks like you removed it.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

May 5th, 2011
5:32 pm

Jay, I apologize to you.

Kamchak

May 5th, 2011
5:32 pm

Smeat

May 5th, 2011
5:32 pm

Yippee – The AJC owns everything that appears on this blog.

Do whatever you want with my post.

Paul

May 5th, 2011
5:33 pm

“Follows directions, completes assignments and plays well with others.”

New School: “Needs Improvement.”

Old School: “F.”

Lil' Barry Bailout

May 5th, 2011
5:33 pm

Jay, you must have dug pretty hard to find that story–Google has nothing on it. I don’t recall any wreath-laying at Ground Zero, either.

pogo

May 5th, 2011
5:33 pm

I do say that there was one very important line in Obama’s speech Sunday which probably nobody picked up on and that he probably meant to be that way. He stated that for the “last ten years” we have been doing what was necessary as a country to hunt down these killers. Well, he has been in office two years which mean the previous 8 years were under George W. Bush. Obama knows that Bush put in place the whole security structure that exists today that made the killing of this piece of trash Bin Laden possible. But he (Obama) didn’t want to overplay this because he wanted political credit for something that was established well before he ever came into office. But to his credit, at least he had the good sense not to listen to his base and throw all of Bush’s work out. Maybe there is hope for him afterall, (as a community organizer in Chicago, again)!

Message from Matti

May 5th, 2011
5:34 pm

Left Wing Management @ 5:27,

Insightful commentary! Thank you. It’s refreshing to know there are indeed still Americans who think amid the din of partisan punditry.

josef nix

May 5th, 2011
5:36 pm

Ooooo…looks like Daddy’s home and already took his belt off… !

pogo

May 5th, 2011
5:36 pm

Dave, what would you have done if you were Bush. He wasn’t in a campaign season like Obama is now and it HAD just happened. What exactly else was he supposed to do?

Smeat

May 5th, 2011
5:36 pm

Oh Goodie…

The SEALS who did the work get the honor of meeting with Obama tomorrow.

Ft. Campbell, KY ain’t that far from Churchill Downs. Maybe they could have a Bin Ladens Summit and watch funny hats.

Harry Callahan

May 5th, 2011
5:36 pm

Jay, I have a bit of a dilemma here. People post personal attacks on me all the time, which as I’ve said I really don’t care about. Pointing them out to you seems petty to me. But then if I respond in kind I get put on notice?????????

AmVet

May 5th, 2011
5:37 pm

thomas, con is short for conservative. (and con-men and convicts and…!)

Torture is un-American. And I don’t mince words. The Bush administration was utterly disgraceful for being the first in our long history to officially sanction it.

Ironically, I find it to be very Taliban like, and will never be able to figure out the small percentage of Americans who think it is perfectly acceptable.

IT IS NOT.

It is extremely dubious that it even works effectively.

How as an American, could you not be embarrassed by those photos from Abu Ghraib?

I can already hear the keyboards clattering away with the lament, “But look what they do to us!”

And that is the point exactly.

We are not them and they ain’t Americans!

Look, we all know that the CIA has done a LOT of creepy thing in the past and part of me could understand the ban on assassinations.

But I never agreed that it was an all or nothing proposition.

Assassinating OBL was justice.

Pure and simple.

And there is NO connection whatsoever between it and acting like the barbarian torturers…

Dusty

May 5th, 2011
5:37 pm

JOSEF,

Feel free to enhance your vacabulary any time with my euphemisms. (That’s a joke, hon!)

PRESIDENT HUSSEIN.

But “Bush bad. Bush bad” is all Granny & AmVet say most of the time in one form or another. A new view would be desirable and more honest (and less boring.)

Harry Callahan

May 5th, 2011
5:38 pm

“How as an American, could you not be embarrassed by those photos from Abu Ghraib?”

Those photos did not reflect endorsed techniques, and the people responsible were held accountable.