King & Spalding withdrawal a hollow ‘victory’

These men, first agreed to take the case. Then back-peddled away from it.

They were not required to do either; and people speaking out, either for or against, their position is a Constitutional right.

This man jumped shipped, found another, and resumed his efforts.

It would seem that, once again, our system worked.

Off topic – as the brilliant Mr. Luckovich notes, end corporate welfare…

http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/?cxntlid=sldr

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Lawyers withdraw from cases on a regular basis as do clients regularly fire their lawyers. How often do you see a firm tell a partner “hey – that client of yours, the House of Representatives, we don’t serve their kind”.

Withdrawal from representation is a regular thing but it just does not look good for K&S.

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And can I get a Hallelujah from you godly types?

Georgia’s statewide mini-Prohibition is at an end.

Welcome to the mid 20th century!!! (When gay-bashing was de rigueur…)

Reprised from downstairs…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UfFnhpU94w

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those who believe that DOMA is bad law and discriminatory social policy … should balk at using public pressure to deny any cause the counsel of their choosing.

Sure, go ahead and balk. Frees up first base. Then drill the batter in the ear.

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AmVet@7:42
Ok. Break out the flags!!!
No, not really. Non-issue.

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Wow! Jay, I agree with you 100%
The Law is bad and needs to go, but this kind of manipulation is a bad idea.

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Joel, made just one small change to your observation.

Joel Edge

AmVet@7:42
Ok. Break out the flags!!!
No, not really. Non-issue. To me.

Call me old fashioned, but I see personal liberties and freedoms as an issue.

Just saw this at the Wooten morgue, and decided it was so damn good, I’d ask some of our family values cons here about it…

Curious
April 28th, 2011
11:09 pm

Let’s get Newt Gingrich to push the case; he knows about the meaning of marriage.

For our friends who rely on the Republican Dictionary of Made Up Definitions, please try to use word correctly…

extort –verb (used with object)
1) to wrest or wring (money, information, etc.) from a person by violence, intimidation, or abuse of authority; obtain by force, torture, threat, or the like.
2) to take illegally by reason of one’s office.

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This is right out of the Bolshevik handbook. It all came down to money and that sick disease; political correctness.

Nope, it’s right out of the American handbook. Money talks and bullsh*t walks!!

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“We will force you all to gay marry. Be afraid!”-teh Homoseckshul Agenda

The only thing that scares us is your rather large Adam’s Apple…

(Narcissism is the personality trait of egotism, vanity, conceit, or simple selfishness. Applied to a social group, it is sometimes used to denote elitism or an indifference to the plight of others.)

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Money trumps principle.

Again.

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Hey, could you guys playing the PC card today give a current definition of “political correctness?”

because last I checked, it basically meant “it sucks that I can’t say ‘f@g’ or ‘n!gg3r’ like I used to.” Was wondering if that’s still more or less accurate.

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“a contract signed by Clement would bar everyone at the firm from taking a public position in support of gay marriage.”

Sign any contract you want, but don’t assume the rest of your colleagues are OK with giving up their right to free speech. Idjit.

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Okay. Enough about King & Spaulding. Enough about DOMA.

Let’s talk about the NLRB, labor unions, Boeing, worker’s rights, state’s rights and free enterprise.

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Aquagirl

Having reread your post, I’ll add that if the firm had retained the case and staff at the firm did not like the terms and violated those terms, they would be disciplined and, if they continued, been offered the opportunity to seek other career opportunities.

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Labor Unions & worker’s rights:

Wow. In a sign that Wisconsin Democrats can still claim momentum in the recall wars, Dems today filed the signatures to trigger a recall election against a sixth Wisconsin GOP state senator — and this time, they filed an astonishing 166 percent of the number required, the highest yet.

Graeme Zielinski, a spokesman for the Wisconsin Democratic Party, confirms that Dems today filed 26,524 signatures supporting a recall election against GOP senator Robert Cowles, out of 15,960 required. This is the strongest signature showing by Dems yet: Against five previous GOP targets, Dems amassed signatures in the area of 140 or 150 percent.

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For all those reasons, the Obama administration recently decided it could no longer defend the law from legal challenges

Jay, if you review the DOJ letter on DOMA they actually state:

Consequently, the Department will not defend the constitutionality of Section 3 of DOMA as applied to same-sex married couples in the two cases filed in the Second Circuit. We will, however, remain parties to the cases and continue to represent the interests of the United States throughout the litigation.

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The real story is that most lawyers are liberal and the partners of King & Spalding got caught not paying attention to their political vetting process. You all know the drill. Liberals cannot further their agenda through normal electoral mandates. Their preferred method is to petition a decision from a liberal judge from the “unbiased” halls of jurisprudence. Just look to California and Prop 8. Jay and his un-Americans love to revel in any small victory that goes against the grain of American common sense. After all, their agenda is a crap shoot unless it can be passed with smoke-and-mirrors.

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So Boehner and his House colleagues made the perfectly appropriate decision to step in and hire private attorneys — using House funds — to defend the law.

I’m curious if indeed it’s appropriate for the wrong branch of government to defend a law in court. Is there case law that says they have standing to defend the law from challenges?

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Paul, sounds like Clement made a poor decision in exercising his authority over others. People are fired every day for this. The dummy shouldn’t have assumed everyone else was OK with that part of the contract.

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stands for decibels@8:44

Keep reaching Stands… You are free to “pervert” and “distort” whatever it is that you wish.
As long as it makes you FEEL good.

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The real story is that most lawyers are liberal…

Do tell?

Please provide your sources, citations, links and other evidence for this claim.

Cynthia Tucker thougt (sic) that the whole process of intimidating a law firm into not taking a particuar (sic) client was just hunky dorey.

Does “Tamika” have license to snoop inside of Ms. Tucker’s mind? Is “she” with the NSA?

Once again for you Republispeak types, please understand that we use standard, written English on this forum to communicate with each other…

intimidate –verb (used with object)
1. to make timid; fill with fear.
2. to overawe or cow, as through the force of personality or by superior display of wealth, talent, etc.
3. to force into or deter from some action by inducing fear:

thug –noun
1. a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer.

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AmVet@8:07
“Call me old fashioned, but I see personal liberties and freedoms as an issue.”
I do too. I just hate seeing something so moronic as Sunday sales used as an issue.

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Keep Up – we went through this the last time Jay brought up DOMA. The Obama admin will not DEFEND DOMA, they did not say they will not ENFORCE it.

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If you listen seriously to NPR, NY Times or the national liberal media, Obama is just too damn smart; we don’t even deserve him, and we all ought to feel lucky that HE is just smiling at us over the teleprompter.

How would you know? I’m guessing you’ve never actually done that for long.

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Jay: “Some gay-rights proponents have seized upon that withdrawal as a great success, and viewed from one narrow perspective, it was. Unfortunately, it was a setback for the larger cause of equal justice.”

This is very true and it’s an index of the dead end of identity politics.

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buck@gon @8:54

Bravo! Can you say “Hit the nail on the head”?

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Buck… nice rant but without fact. All attorneys are members of the court. They have a duty not to advance arguments that do not have merit and they have a duty not to raise consitutional arguments that do not have merit.

As for your claim about a “first time” in Presidential history…its not. http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/presidential-decisions-not-to-defend-the-constitutionality-of-federal-law-a-brief-history

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Jay is wrong, I am sorry to say, and Clement was wrong. Their arguments are hollow. To argue with “unpopularity in certain quarters” is disgusting.
This is not a case of defending a person accused of a crime, where there are circumstances to be considered. It is a question of constitutionality of a law. If a lawyer defends the law while believing the law is unconstitutional, he/she is lying, pure and simple, and is trying to save a law he/she does not believe should exist..

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“Courts function as a relatively unbiased forum”

Ahem… BS!!!

Courts and those who preside in them are as biased and owned by special interests as any other part of our “representative” style of government… Which is especially unsettling when you consider the fact that ANY time you step in front of a judge your constitutional rights are automatically suspended and that judge at that moment has dominion over you, your property and all that might be precious to you. That judge can do ANYTHING to you that he/she wants and you are powerless to do anything about it. To make things even more disturbing is the fact that some in our society want judges to become openly biased and campaign on stances they presume they will take if a certain issue comes before them.

So… I gotta throw a red flag at the whole “unbiased” line of $hit Jay tries to feed us here…

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Plus… this whole K&S issue is simply a fine example of the “free markets” at work. Why should a private firm be compelled to take a stance in one direction or the other for any other reason than that’s what thier clients wish and is in thier own best interest?

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“As we have seen, Holder seems to care little about laws, especially when they touch, “his people”, ie., the New Black Panther Party. What could only have been a violation of anti-harassment civil rights laws became “nothing to see here.”

This was not intended to be a factual statement

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As we have seen, Holder seems to care little about laws, especially when they touch, “his people”, ie., the New Black Panther Party. What could only have been a violation of anti-harassment civil rights laws became “nothing to see here.”

Well we can see the honesty brought to the discussion.

Again, Presidents have decided not to defend a law on a basis that cannot be supported. There is no suggestion that the failure to defend on a basis that the DoJ beleives does not have merit is unconstitutional or a breach of the President’s duties under Constitution.

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Keep up,

“Buck… nice rant but without fact. All attorneys are members of the court. They have a duty not to advance arguments that do not have merit and they have a duty not to raise consitutional arguments that do not have merit.”

OK, so all attorneys agree on arguments and whether or not they have merit? So, no one will defend San Francisco’s nascent movement to outlaw circumcision, or will every lawyer do it?

Hmmmm……

Sounds like you’re not the one thinking clearly. If this were the case, and all lawyers doing their “duty” never had to consider the merits of a case before a judge because they all agreed with each other, well, then we wouldn’t need courts. We could just fill out forms, stand in line for instant justice. In fact, why even have elections to determine outcomes? If it’s their duty, then hey, let’s just consider them smarter than you and vote by acclimation whatever they say (just for appearances, of course).

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USMC: I’ve seen you post a couple times saying you’re for Civil Unions. Did you vote for the GA constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages? If so, you also voted to forbid Civil Unions as well. Just wasn’t sure if you knew that. It was carefully hidden from the ballot wording–on purpose.

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LWM,

We’re going to go into this again?

OK, by way of example, look up the interview from Terry Gross’ Fresh Air show when she hosted Bill O’Reilly. He walked away disgusted (which was a mistake I thought because it was such a teachable moment), but the questions were absurd: “Mr. O’Reilly, a lot of your critics have said….”

“Mr. O’Reilly, a lot of people disagree….”

“Mr. O’Reilly, most people think you’re wrong…”

NPR looks quite critically at people who ask for birth certificates, but not at politicians who are required by law to supply them. All of this Obamanonsense could have been dealt with 1000 days ago, if media outlets close to the President, like NPR, would have asked once a week, “got that form yet?”

I know this will not convince you, #1 because you rarely respond to me, and #2 because you don’t respond to examples and evidence, and #3 because you seem to be conspiracy minded as much as the kookiest birther out there.

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Marriage benefits were set up to establish a stable home environment to raise children in. I have nothing against gay marriage, just don’t expect me to extend benefits to them when that was never the entent. Fighting DOMA is another welfare handout in the guise of equal rights.

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“It would be unethical, say, for an engineer to take both sides of an issue, such as you propose K&S do. ”

buck@gon, maybe Clement should have noticed one of their lawyers is president of the Stonewall Bar Association before he signed that contract.

It really rankles you when teh gayz won’t sit down and shut up, doesn’t it? It’s funny how everyone is so enamored of due process and the sanctity of the system and all when it means shoving somebody to the back of the bus. All your floral yakking doesn’t cover that up, y’know. But type away if it makes you feel better. It’s terribly frustrating to see your bigotry upended and I’d rather have you venting here than creeping around midtown gay-bashing.

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Getalife…yep the last election proved it….joker!

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Uh oh….another day that Obama is falling in the polls…..WONDERFUL!

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Perhaps the law firm of King & Spalding simply came to the realization that there was no point in defending something as transparently unconstitutional as the Defense of Marriage Act.

WHY is DOMA unconstitutional? Consider: A Straight couple legally married in Iowa is automatically entitled to 1,138 legal benefits, protections, and responsibilities according to the Government Accounting Office (GAO). Many of those benefits have to do with tax law, Social Security, inheritance rights, child custody, and so on. But because of DOMA, a Gay couple that is legally married in Iowa is still unrecognized by the federal government for those benefits.

Consider, also, the “Full Faith & Credit” clause of the Constitution. Because of this, any Straight couple can fly off to Las Vegas for drunken weekend, get married by an Elvis impersonator, and that marriage is automatically honored in all 50 states, and at all levels of government. But thanks to DOMA, a Gay couple that is legally married in Iowa becomes UN-married if they relocate south to Missouri.

The ONLY real difference between a married Gay couple and a married Straight couple is the gender of the two people who have made the commitment. It has nothing to do with procreation, since couples do not need a marriage license to make babies, nor is the ability or even desire to make babies a prerequisite for obtaining a marriage license. So there is really no constitutional justification for denying law-abiding, taxpaying Gay couples the same legal benefits, protections, and responsibilities that married Straight couples have always taken for granted. This cannot be accomplished in a piecemeal, state-by-state fashion.

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Get a job cons and stop living off our government.

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“They are working very hard at moving into the 1970s.”

You mean they are advocating for the legalization of drugs and Disco??

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Democrats with ties to the Obama White House on Friday are launching a two-pronged fundraising effort aimed at countering deep-pocketed GOP groups in 2012 — and adopting some of the same policies on unlimited, secret donations that President Barack Obama himself has long opposed, the organizers tell POLITICO.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53905.html#ixzz1Kv13Bb3B

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do as i say… not as I do (said Obama)

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DOMA treats no one differently than any other. No one has a right to marry someone of the same gender. You can pretend it’s a marriage, you can call it one, but it isn’t one.

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Getalife….no he will play the fools and try to win but the entire “Hope and Change” nonsense will not work this time. Only the uneducated fools that vote for him no matter what he is doing to the country will support him.

2012!!!

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Calm down, Buck, I have every intention of responding to you and engaging in discussion.

The fact that Gross of Fresh Air may in her private life lean liberal (I don’t know that for a fact) doesn’t mean squat. Gene Simmons of Kiss also had an interview with her that didn’t go over well, but that was because he made disrespectful, suggestive comments in the interview. So what does that prove? In O’Reilly’s case I suspect it simply proves he’s an ego-driven blowhard who can’t handle being challenged. Probably doesn’t ultimately have a lot to do with ideology. The fact is, Gross’ show does not carry a flag for the left.

NPR looks quite critically at people who ask for birth certificates, but not at politicians who are required by law to supply them.

Because it’s not an issue. Period. Why should NPR indulge a non-issue just because a fringe group is pushing it?

All of this Obamanonsense could have been dealt with 1000 days ago, if media outlets close to the President, like NPR, would have asked once a week, “got that form yet?”

Again, this shows your ignorance. NPR is not “close to Obama”. Not by a long shot. That is to say, they aren’t close to him the way FOX was “close” to Bush, say.

know this will not convince you, … because you seem to be conspiracy minded as much as the kookiest birther out there.

This from someone who believes there’s an issue with Barack Obama’s citizenship? Bizarre reasoning there, Buck.

But you’re right about one thing: I do believe in conspiracies. Namely, the neoliberal one (now that’s a liberal that really does exist!) to bring the wonderful economic world to this country that it brought to Chile and other countries it’s wrecked with its market fundamentalism, austerity, and crumbs for the people. You can see this right now in Wisconsin and Michigan. Now THAT’s what I call a
conspiracy to get riled up about.

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In my opinion, BHO, aka GWB II, does not deserve a second term.

But unless the Party of Incompetents can produce a non-laughable opponent, he’s as good as in.

In fact, it appears that a lot of Republicans are running. Running *away* from even trying to unseat him…

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Amvet….I actually somewhat agree with you! I still think Romney is going to have the best shot. But it is going to depend on his running mate and his defense of healthcare.

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This is not intended to be a factual statement.

Well then, prove it Granny. I think you will find that the facts are on my side.

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Amvet (NOT)

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Am I to presume that you think otherwise?

Not only myself, AmVet, but as I noted, the VAST majority of Americans think otherwise, at least when it comes to homosexuality and marriage.

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Okay. As far as K&S and DOMA are concerned.

A husband and wife team at K&S represented pro bono (still?) six Guantanamo Bay terrorist detainees. The firm has done much pro bono work defending accused murders and rapists.

K&S is a business. They can pick and choose whomever they want for clients. It’s their call. They have a liberal bent and caved to pressure from liberal groups.

My belief is this will come back to bite K&S in the @$$.

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I understand that you find homosexuality “wrong” in terms of marriage.

I’m asking you if you think so without that qualifier, TGT.

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AmVet…..I really do not think the Mormon thing will be as big of an issue as some may think. The distain for Obama and the need to get the country back on the right path may superceed any notion that being a Mormon is a disqualifier for being president.

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Bucky, Fresh Air isn’t a news program.

oh, and SoCo @ 9.40, it was Richard Pryor’s classic bit.

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TGT, I believe you missed the recent polling that for the first time, more Americans support than oppose same-sex marriage. It follows the consistent trend of the last several years, and goes firmly against your statement that the “vast majority” of Americans oppose it.

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“Only the cons will vote gop to end their own Medicare.”

And the drive-by liar keeps on lying.

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What ever happened to a govt of the people for the people? At the polls, over and over and over in many different states, Cali included, people vote down gay marriage (not commenting on whether or not that is a good or bad thing), but then the courts rule and basically decide the will of the people (displayed by voting) does not count. That is not the job for the judicial branch of government. They are supposed to uphold the laws, not make or affect policy.

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AmVet 9:46 – apologies for butting in, but let me offer my 2 cents.

If you asked me, at my core, do I think homosexuality is morally wrong, I think I am inclined to answer yes.

However, do I also think smoking pot and excessive drinking are morally wrong? Yes. Do I know people who engage in all of the above, and still retain friendships with all of them? Yes.

As much as you want to make it a black and white kind of issue, I don’t think it is.

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@ Granny, not to mention support for gay marriage is much stronger in the under-60 crowd. Who cares what old people think? By and large they can’t reproduce, they shouldn’t be getting married anyhow. Godless freaks!

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Joe….I believe the birther issue is over. Trump won fair and square. It is the left that is continuing to drag it out. Now lets see Obama defend his decisions and issues. He just keeps driving nails into his casket.

I am not sure Trump will get elected but the debates will be a BLAST to watch!

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RE Dave R’s 9:53.

Dave R’s name or mind has been hijacked. Not sure which.

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“Trump won fair and square.”

strange victory – being publically humiliated by being proven wrong, foolish and bigoted in front of the whole world

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buck@gon — “NPR looks quite critically at people who ask for birth certificates, but not at politicians who are required by law to supply them. All of this Obamanonsense could have been dealt with 1000 days ago, if media outlets close to the President, like NPR, would have asked once a week, “got that form yet?”

Ahem. Let me bring you up to date, sir.

My post on this thread at 9:11 this morning:

http://blogs.ajc.com/thinking-right/2011/04/28/dekalb-deal-was-way-too-sweet/?cp=1

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Granny…..wrong….forcing the president of the strongest country to his knees and doing something he should have done 2 years ago. Trump 1 Obama 0

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Unless there has been a sea-change in the past three years on this matter, the rabid base will, to a large extent, not vote for a Mormon…

In polls of Republican voters taken during the 2008 presidential primaries a quarter of Republican voters expressed that they would be “less likely” to vote for a presidential candidate who is Mormon. Among other criticisms, some evangelical voters view the LDS Church as a cult. However, some social conservatives and evangelicals criticize Romney for not being Mormon enough, regarding social policy. He has avoided speaking publicly about specific church doctrines, and has pointed out that the U.S. Constitution prohibits religious tests for public office. Declining to discuss details about his religion also reduced the risk that doctrinal differences will alienate evangelical Christian voters.

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“What ever happened to a govt of the people for the people?”

Never existed, except in Lincoln’s mind.

What you want is a democracy, where three wolves and one sheep get to decide what’s for dinner.

Wanna be the sheep in that scenario? No?

How about if people decided that guns should not be allowed to be owned by private citizens?

Bottom-line, why do YOU get to tell two consenting adults what they can or cannot do when it doesn’t affect your life, liberty or property?

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Amvet…..well posted. It is going to be interesting. I hope that does not affect his election status with the right. He may be our best option.

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jm

April 29th, 2011
9:52 am

Great answer, so many think because one has certain beliefs, that, that person is closed minded or not willing to except people for who or what they are.

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Taxpayers pay for a public defender. Should we now pay for a lawyer for any defendant in a civil litigation case, too?

You have no right to a lawyer in anything except a criminal case.

Many folks file frivolous lawsuits. They often have a difficult time finding a lawyer. Should we force trial lawyers to take a case, even if they know it’s a dog and they won’t get paid?

Lawyers refusing to take cases happens all the time. The lawyer makes an assessment of whether or not the case will result in a payout and if it won’t then they don’t take it. Sometimes a defendant simply doesn’t have a case.

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Granny…..I always ignore the left…no problem.

And you can ignore the fact that Obama continues to slide in the polls. And like it or not Trump forced Obama to show it!! Great job Mr. Trump!

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UGA1999

April 29th, 2011
9:56 am
Granny….Bigoted??? hahahahah here we go with the foolish race card.

silly “babbit”, the race card hasn’t been taken off the table since it was first played in the colonies in the 1700’s

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USMC…..Amen….Obama is losing ground in nearly every poll!

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Senior citizens will unselfishly vote to modify unsustainable welfare programs–they prefer the Ryan plan over the Idiot Messiah’s non-plan.

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LOL @ polls…

The only polls that can be expected to perform anywhere near their predictions are fishing poles and stripper poles. All else are worthless.

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UGA1999 — “Joe….I believe the birther issue is over.”

Nope. I was out on Free Republic last night, and if the poop-flinging howler monkeys over there are to be believed, the birth certificate was a Photoshopped fake and even if it was real, it doesn’t matter because the President was adopted by a godless muslim (??????) illegal alien who was here on some sort of student visa which legally makes him ineligible because that’s what the Founders told them in their last dream transmission from the Mothership.

Some of your ideological compatriots are doubling down AGAIN on the crazy.

“Trump won fair and square.”

Hawaii Governor Linda Lingle — REPUBLICAN Hawaii Governor Linda Lingle — saw the certificate and pronounced it valid before the election. You think she’d have let it slide if something was wrong with it?

Trump didn’t win *anything.* He’s just had his whole hissy-fit kabuki act rendered obsolete in the space of about two minutes. Now his scriptwriters have to come up with actual policy positions, because he doesn’t have any — that’s why he just vented that obscenity-filled rant.

President Obama didn’t release anything that wasn’t already known — it’s just that the birthers refused to recognize that a REPUBLICAN who was in a position to know already verified the thing.

“It is the left that is continuing to drag it out.”

Oh, I guess it was all lefty trolls on FR last night. Jim Rob must be falling down on the job; he’s usually a lot more assiduous in ferreting out and kicking off the lefties that manage to get posts up over there.

“Now lets see Obama defend his decisions and issues.”

He’s been doing that since day one. You may not like what he says, and I’m disappointed in him myself, but I still see no reason to vote for any of the slack-butted candidates the GOP has to offer. Heck, y’all are scraping the bottom of the barrel already as it is.

“He just keeps driving nails into his casket.”

Shrug. I don’t think that things are going to turn out the way you expect.

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Defining marriage is a state function as long as homosexual activist judges don’t overturn votes as they are trying to do in California. The homosexual lobby is made up of some of the nastiest, self-serving, hypocritical haters on the planet (unless you agree with them).

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Granny….and you wonder why you guys have a hard time advancing. If you would get that chip off of your shoulder and get over the fact that white people do not hate you…..you may actually be ok.

But keep doing what you are doing…..see how far it has gotten you. hahahaha

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Look, I get that some of you never wanted the gays to come out of the closet. It wa smuch more comfortable for you, living in perpetual denial.

And you know you’re fighting a losing battle on this topic. In fact, you’ve already lost over and over and over, and still won’t accept it.

But what is particularly disgusting is when you want to pollute the most sacred document ever written – The Constitution of the United States of America – with your nasty homophobic amendments.

Your great, great, great grandchildren will be dead and that will still have never happened, OK?

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Buckagon said “The role of the Prez is definitely NOT to decide, post facto, that laws are unconstitutional and ignore them. We have a legal and proper route for that, and it’s called the federal COURTS.”

It wasn’t the president who decided certain provisions of DOMA were unconstitutional. Those portions of that law were allready ruled unconstitutional and the president did exactly what he should do which is refuse to defend the sections of that law which the courts have ruled is unconstitutional. Give President Obama a freaking break.

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UGA1999 — “USMC…..Amen….Obama is losing ground in nearly every poll!”

Be sure to let us know when his approval ratings are lower than Bush’s PLUS Cheney’s when Mr. Obama took office.

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Joe…compare to Bush all you want. Live in the past. I really dont care.

Bush was a two term president and Obama is having a hard time just making it through one. HAHAHAHA

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“What is it actually called?”

Instead of Mutant-X gene, I don’t know…maybe the Gay-X gene? I’m sure somebody will come up with a clever name for it if it’s ever found.

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dave @ 10:08

Suit up bro. Sounds like you ate your Wheaties this morning.

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/297754/297754,1227721879,6/stock-photo-spartan-with-spear-and-shield-red-cape-and-helmet-21146374.jpg

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abouttime 10:11 afraid you’re facts aren’t quite straight…

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I’m smellin a double dipper…

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jm: where did I screw that one up?

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Joe….when was Cheney President….

2001-2008. You don’t think Bush was making ALL those decisions on his own, do you?

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strange victory – being publically humiliated by being proven wrong, foolish and bigoted in front of the whole world

I seriously doubt The Donald cares. Besides…he’s on record as saying “I hope I’m wrong.”

It’s as though he’s made it his personal mission to force Obama to relinquish info that, up until now, he’s chosen to keep secret.

Donald has moved on to his college transcripts. He’s well-known for HIS ability to intimidate. He’s reveling in his recent success.

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UGA — “Joe….things are working EXACTLY how I expected two years ago.”

As I said, I don’t think things are *going* to work out the way you expect them to.

“This guy is so predictable, he folded to Trump”

Nope. He released something that was ALREADY known, and in so doing, he cut Trump’s legs out from under him. The reason Trump was spouting obscenities at his last ‘campaign’ appearance was because he doesn’t have anything substantive to SAY. Other than the birther issue, Trump’s got NOTHING. And the President just exposed that fact.

“and you guys think he can stand up to world powers?”

I think he already *is.* And he’s standing up to the best your party can throw at him.

“Coward!”

I certainly hope you aren’t calling *me* a coward, young man/woman. I’m a disabled veteran. What were the details of *your* military service again, please?

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Peadawg, you are crackin’ me up!!!!!

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Tech, let me guess xenophobia is not deviant behavior in your book.

Wake up, Rip Van Winkle, this ain’t the 1950s…

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Joe…..you throwing your military experience or non experience into this conversation is totally irrelavent! haha

Really….who all saw the long form birth certificate before Trump forced his hand?

Wow you guys are so predictable.

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UGA — “Joe….when was Cheney President….>WHO KNEW!!!”

Who claimed he was?

Add up Bush’s and Cheney’s ratings when they left office. Compare to Obama now. Who’s doing better?

I have a roll of duct tape handy if you need to piece the chunks of your skull back together after the information sinks in.

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sfd 10:17 – thanks. I am a fan of T Boone. And as far as I’m aware, the oil tax breaks are related to the depreciation of drilling expenditures. Which is certainly a gray area and the subject of a lot of ambiguity. Ie, it is not perfectly clear cut that they are getting “tax breaks”.

That said, the more important issue is making natural gas a viable transport fuel in this country. And as TBoone suggest, I’d be in favor of a temporary tax credit for those gas stations that put in natural gas refueling stations over the next 4 years.

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Joe….please show on this blog where I have said a word about Clinton, Carter or FDR.

Actually compared to Obama I would vote for Clinton any day of the week.

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Joe…..once again you are comparing to Bush. You guys just can not get out of the past. IF you guys would look at the present and the future you may see what the right is trying to tell you. This guys is a joke and is ruining our country.

But you keep looking at Bush and making that comparison.

HOPE AND CHANGE
HOPE AND CHANGE
HOPE AND CHANGE
FRAUD AND FAILURE.

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Really….who all saw the long form birth certificate before Trump forced his hand?

I think the Republican governor was one. I’m guessing that you also don’t trust the intelligence agencies background checks that cleared him to have the highest security clearance to read classified intel on a daily basis. Even though they’ve all checked him out, people still wanted this man to reveal his birth certificate to people with absolutely no need to see/read/know that information. People that did not vote for him in the first place either..

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“IF you guys would look at the present and the future you may see what the right is trying to tell you. ”

The “right” spoke volumes from the years of 2000-2008 and what they haven’t said since speaks volumes as well… History is doomed to repeat itself if it is not acknowledged.

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Poke Em,
I realize I’m just a country bumpkin. How is DOMA ‘discriminatory’ as so many write here? It defined marriage one way (others have different definitions, but for federal purposes, one man, one woman). So it doesn’t define two males, 3 males, 4 males, 2 females, 3 females, 4 females, 1 man and 3 women, etc. as marriage. If you don’t like the definition, speak with your representative or senator. It’s a law, it can be changed.

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“How can you defend a law discriminating against LGBT when you obviously recognize and encourage LGBT equality within your own law firm?”

A. They’re lawyers.
B. $$$$$$
C. They’re lawyers.

Case closed!

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UGA — “And Joe….How many years of millitary serivce did Obama have? If you are going to ask me about mine you should ask your “Commander and Chief” about his. All you Demoncrats are the same.”

If you’re going to call people “cowards,” and it if appears that you might be calling *me* one, then I’m definitely going to call you on it, Young One. Once again, what are the details of your military service, please?

If the *President* has called someone a coward, then that’s another issue entirely. But right now, I’m talking to YOU, because YOU did so here.

Now you need to clarify your comment, UGA. Whom, exactly, were you calling a “coward?”

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UGA — “Joe….please show on this blog where I have said a word about Clinton, Carter or FDR.”

Please show me on this blog where I claimed that *you* had done so.

“Actually compared to Obama I would vote for Clinton any day of the week.”

Shrug. So?

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Sorry Joe….I chose to enter college get my MBA and enter the professional world. I have since started and managed three successful busineses.

Read my post about the “Coward” I was actually talking about Hussein.

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Mick. I beleive I was “standing” on the 13th story of my Lenox Park office in Buckhead. What is your point?

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UGA — “Joe…..once again you are comparing to Bush.”

Yes. And will continue to do so. Hurts, doesn’t it?

“You guys just can not get out of the past.”

I’m guessing you’re no student of history. Not surprising.

“IF you guys would look at the present and the future you may see what the right is trying to tell you. This guys is a joke and is ruining our country.”

I see no better ideas or alternatives coming from the right. And I see no statesmanship, no collegiality and no politeness coming from there, either.

When you crap on someone day and night, don’t be surprised when they don’t expend any effort to work with you or cooperate with what you want.

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ug,

Stop lying.

Trolls have no jobs.

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AmVet: “Better star looking for another hot starter…”

You could always take Dice K . . .

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Dave R., so maybe people should be allowed to marry animals? Or better yet, adults should be able to marry small children?……..sheesh!

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Joe. you must be talking about Hussein “crapping” on the right day and night. This is why the house is refusing to work with him and represent the people of America. Thank you for proving my point.

BTW…..who forced Hussien into running for president after Bush? Hmmmmm HOPE AND CHANGE. Nice sales pitch…too bad it didnt work.

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Jay….speaking of draft….what do you think of Julio Jones?

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ug

My point is that you want to forget and forgive what got us to the point we are now. The real estate bubble devasted this country and by 07, the damage was done and led to the almost collapse of the world economy. Who was president during that time? Which party held the congress most of the decade until jan 07? Plenty of blame to go around on both sides and you want to pin the tail on obama for it all – bs.
You probably are lying about your office as most buildings skip the 13th floor..

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UGA — “Sorry Joe….I chose to enter college get my MBA and enter the professional world. I have since started and managed three successful busineses.”

So you have not served in any branch of the military? Is that correct?

FWIW, I entered the military *after* completing my first Bachelors’ degree. College and military service need not be mutually exclusive. In fact, I believe the current maximum age for accessions, including the Guard and Reserve components, is 45. So as long as you’re not 45 yet, there’s nothing stopping you from showing your bravery and patriotism and signing up. Heck, with your education, you could even seek a commission through OCS.

Check it out, UGA. A serviceman calling the President a coward would carry a lot more weight than a never-served civilian like you doing it.

“Read my post about the “Coward” I was actually talking about Hussein.”

I did, and your intent was not clear. Quite frankly, your writing skills need a lot of work. I certainly hope that — if you really *do* run one or more businesses — that you have a competent secretary or administrator to handle that task for you.

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“But what is particularly disgusting is when you want to pollute the most sacred document ever written – The Constitution of the United States of America – with your nasty homophobic amendments.”

No worse than polluting it with stupid socialist policies and amendments…

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“We know you cons will vote to end your own Medicare hairy.”

Voting to end yours too. Guess you better start looking for a job.

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Joe….Hmmmm so now you attack my writing ability on a blog that has no bearing on my business? Having a hard time staying on topic today? They make ADD medicine for that. I am sure you can get it at the VA.

Actually….I do thank you for your service, but on the other hand you should not attack those choose not to serve.

In any case the way that you choose to debate the facts makes you a coward in my book. Great job.

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uga

Double standard; bush not accountable for anything that happened during his watch, obama is accountable for everything that happened during bush’s watch and his own. That’s the game you play…

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UGA — “Joe….Is that all youve got? “So”

Yeah. So you’d choose Clinton over Obama? Okay. I mean, what do you expect for a reply? So?

Geez, get over yourself, kid.

“Wow, this is too easy. Did you get any head trauma during your service?”

None at all. Were you medically barred from serving for some reason?

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ug,

McDonald’s is hiring liar.

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getalife,

Why do we need Medicare when we have Obamacare? And by the way, Obamacare as drafted and enacted severely cuts Medicare funding.

Liberals are so funny…

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“We typically offer several varieties of draft, UGA, but not sure what the selections are this year.”

Jay, please roll a keg or few of Abita’s “Purple Haze” beer down the hill from the Brewhouse.

Thanks:-)

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Jay wrote: Even those who believe that DOMA is bad law and discriminatory social policy — and I’m certainly one of them — should balk at using public pressure to deny any cause the counsel of their choosing.

A agree. The justice system and rule of law are better serviced when the best legal representation puts forth their best arguments. While many would like DOMA to be defeated because it has no defenders, that really doesn’t do it justice. A well reasoned and delivered argument, followed by a well reasoned and delivered judicial verdict, goes a long way towards allowing/preventing future DOMA. Supreme court decisions tend to be vague, and answer only part of the question. It is necessary for the best minds to correctly frame the question to be decided, and thus establish useful new case law. GLBT should have WELCOMED King and Spalding. Beating the best argument that the opposition can muster is usually produces a more useful and usable outcome in future cases

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Yes hairy.

There have been many Medicare fraud arrests.

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Joe Mama,

Martin Luther King Jr. never served in the military? Was he a coward? Was he entitled to criticize the commander in chief?

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Joe….cool atleast you do not deny it. I guess asking them to be independant thinkers is too much to ask.

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Dave R…..what if the consenting adults are brother and sister? You are leaving out to many issues.

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“Hmmmmm HOPE AND CHANGE. Nice sales pitch…too bad it didnt work.”

“It worked just fine. You might not have heard about it, but Obama was elected President.”

So you admit it was a just a hollow campaign slogan, and nothing more?

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Getalife….if we are the party that only “take”, then how come the Repubs pay the majority of the taxes in this country and the Dems utilize the majority of the government assisted taxpayer services.

Now you tell me who is on the take?

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what a foursome…..

“A Daniels candidacy could have a dramatic effect on the early state dynamic. For one thing, while the picture in Iowa is murky now as some of the leading candidates look to skip the state, Daniels as a Midwestern governor may try to compete there. That could force candidates like Romney and Huntsman to spend some money there so other candidates have to divert more resources to that state, as well.

More than anything, it could set up an epic four-way showdown in New Hampshire between Romney, Huntsman, Daniels and Tim Pawlenty, and shift the focus squarely onto that state.”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/04/29/the_campaign_waiting_for_mitch_daniels_109700.html

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“Your party does nothing but take and you cons will blindly vote to end your own Medicare.”

Us “cons” have jobs and resources and prefer good health care to government crumbs.

You should try it.

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The most Transparent Administration????? It seems that Obama is cracking under pressure…

WHITE HOUSE CRACKS DOWN ON PRESS…
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/bronstein/index

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Morning Jay: Democrats Should Worry about the GOP Field

The conventional wisdom is that the emerging Republican field for 2012 is a very weak one. However, like so much else in the topsy-turvy age of Obama, the conventional wisdom on this one is completely upside down. The idea of a weak GOP field is almost as ridiculous as a debate about a fifty-year-old birth certificate just as the economic recovery comes grinding to a halt. Almost.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/morning-jay-gop-looks-strong_558450.html

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UGA — “Joe….Hmmmm so now you attack my writing ability on a blog that has no bearing on my business?”

Said the person who slags on the intelligence of other posters. You can dish it out but not take it, right?

“Having a hard time staying on topic today?”

Nope. Obama still President. Birth certificate still says the same thing is said over two years ago. Republicans stil bawling and moaning. UGA still can’t spell.

“They make ADD medicine for that. I am sure you can get it at the VA.”

Are you also a pharmacist? Because if you’re giving pharmaceutical advice without a license, I think that’s a violation of Georgia law.

“Actually….I do thank you for your service, ”

You’re welcome.

“but on the other hand you should not attack those choose not to serve.”

Well, when you think I’ve attacked you for not serving, you let me know, okay? I asked you to clarify your “coward” comment, and that’s not an attack. I asked you if you served, and that’s not an attack. And I pointed out how you could still sign up and possibly even receive a commission, and that’s not an attack either.

For someone who issues a lot of attacks themselves, you certainly have a thin skin yourself, Young One.

“In any case the way that you choose to debate the facts makes you a coward in my book. Great job.”

Oh, you mean with evidence and the like instead of character assassination, innuendo, poor spelling and tired rhetoric? Too bad for you. (pointing, laughing)

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Re, that last sentence,

Just call me fumble fingers…

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“Dave R…..what if the consenting adults are brother and sister? You are leaving out to many issues.”

First off, UGA, you have articulated only one.

Second, while I find it a bit unusual, I don’t care if a brother or sister do anything together. As long as they understand the risks involved in doing so (see: Mountain people and British royalty ), not a problem for me.

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Dave R. so then will you want our tax dollars to pay for their handicapped child? Or are we going to be expected to pay for the therapy for the child when he/she learns of the truth?

SO you support incest marriages as well. Dude that is just gross.

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Even those who believe that DOMA is bad law and discriminatory social policy — and I’m certainly one of them — should balk at using public pressure to deny any cause the counsel of their choosing.
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I would agree with you. I do applaud you for sticking to your principles in this case instead of falling for my side is right your side is wrong determination of what is right or wrong.

The legal system has it’s problem but one of the great things about the legal system is it hears both sides of the story. Any limitations on this lowers the creditability of the court. I find this to be a minor issue in this case because with enough money they will be able to find someone to represent them. It is impossible to create a perfect system. However, it does reveal that many liberals will surely dispose of the principles when their tribe wins. Unfortunately, that is the case with many liberals and conservatives since the conservatives suddenly dispose of their belief in states rights when it comes to gay marriage.

A better example of a limitation on legal system is your ability to ensure your side is represented is how much or the quality representation you can afford.

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“By the way, if anyone cares (which I doubt) my opinion is that government should get out of the marriage business altogether. And that includes treating married people and single people differently for tax purposes.”

Amen!

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The CONs on here today have nothing more to talk about since they cant talk about a birth certificate…lol.
What ever will you all do with yourself.

I Wonder Where She Is Right NOW….lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V1nmn2zRMc

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Joe Cool. What birth certificate?

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UGA — “Joe…..Again…way to stay on topic clown.”

Oh, you HAD a topic? I hadn’t noticed (pointing, laughing)

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Joe…..you are pointing and laughing? Are you picking your nose too? Is that from your brain injury.

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UGA: Southern….so you think the American voter has no need to see/read/know that information? WOW see that is where we are fundamentally different. Keep in mind he is working for us.

If the American voter stops long enough to realize the number of agencies/people have to vet him for clearances amongst other things, then the American voter would realize they don’t personally need to see his birth certificate. Since we have a less than educated voting public, we have those who THINK they need to see it. I know he is working for us. I also know there are other people working for us that checks him and others thoroughly to ensure he’s qualified to work for us. That is the real fundamental difference between the two of us.

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“UGA, oblowhard did not get 100% of the black vote, he didn’t get my vote last time and he sure won’t get it next time.”

Great, NOW we can dispell UDummy’s BS. Now Plumber, make sure you go and vote for Trump okay!

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“Dave R. so then will you want our tax dollars to pay for their handicapped child? Or are we going to be expected to pay for the therapy for the child when he/she learns of the truth? ”

Careful, UGA. Others who have tried to define my stances have come up woefully short in the past, just as you do.

Tax dollars for handicapped child? Nope. Don’t want tax dollars used for health are at all. What’s your point?

Therapy for the child? Not needed if he / she is brought up in an open, honest and non-judgmental environment. You know, not in your house.

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uh oh

Why I agree with (some of) Friedrich Hayek: George Soros

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53885.html

somewhere a clock stopped

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Joe….politely? haha

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Dave R., “equality” means that everyone has an equal right to marry an adult of the opposite sex if they choose to. I believe what the Bible says so if you feel the need to discuss this further, talk with God about it.

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joe fool: I would vote for you before I vote oblowhard.

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Joe….there you go again. You cannot think on your own? That is really bad….your parents should have taught you better.

You mentioned you were disabled? What is your disability? The lack of ability to reason and think? (pointing and laughing).

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UGA — “Joe…You seriously make me laugh. Thank you for that, I needed it.”

Glad to help.

“You mention “evidence”, what evidence have you offered?”

Reread. The fact that HI Governor Lingle and the head of a HI state agency with responsibility for vital records reviewed the President’s birth certificate in the run-up to the election and declared it valid. Birthers have been ignoring that since it happened, despite the fact that Governor Lingle was a Republican.

Have you got anything to refute that, sir/ma’am?

“I think that is a violation of Georgia Law”. Oh are you a cop now? I think impersonating a Police Officer is a crime as well. Nice work.”

Well, you be sure to let me know when you think I have represented myself as a police officer, okay? Until then, shrug.

“Come on now Joe…..stay on topic, you can do it, I know you can…….good boy!”

Objective achieved — UGA reduced to slavering, outraged sniping. No longer running his “business.” (pointing, laughing)

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Aquagirl,

Oh NO!!!! Not BIGOTRY!!!! I can’t take it anymore! I’m finished, humiliated, …..Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

“All your floral yakking ”

Lol. That’s a keeper!

Well, to be fair, I take note of your ‘hood’ rap that all Republican presidential candidates (besides Mr. Trump) must seem to honor and grant the respect as honest dialogue, even when it is more petulant and whiny than anything WE say. Good try Aquagirl, or should I say, “Civil” Cynthia Tucker? I’m immune to name-calling and I’m not cowed by stupidity, especially when sprinkled around so cavalierly by a race-baiting parrot.

Jay,

“Buck once again posts with his characteristic blithe disregard for the facts.”

ONCE AGAIN?!!!

Come now, Jay. I’m one of the taller conservative trees on this blog of yours, (and yes, I admit, you seem to be right here, and I do not have the inclination nor the time to see if you are,) but I will trust you. I don’t know that I remember concretely the one admission you’ve made to me.

My guess is that if you could cut this tree down more often you surely would, especially seeing that I myself call you out as deficient in logic, facts and argument almost daily. My sense from your post today is that whenever you can, you will. Am I right? If I am wrong so often, I/we expect you to correct me like you did today. In fact, that goes for anyone here.

….or do you to pretend to just be busy gazing at your navel when my argument, in turn, kicks yours in the butt?

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Dave R.: I didn’t see anything you posted as a “challenge” until your 10:48, but since you insist:

Yes, changing the definition of marriage will have PROFOUND consequences that go FAR beyond two “consenting adults.” For evidence of this we need to look no further than California where the state senate there recently passed a law requiring the teaching of “gay history.” Once the legal defn. of marriage changes, what is to stop a govt. requiring similar activities when it comes to gay marriage? To think that this won’t happen is short-sighted and ignorant.

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And in more serious news unemployment claims grew by 25,000 last week, several staples such as coffee, sugar, etc. have gone up over 100% in the past year as inflation is rapidly making its presence known, and gas continues to rise to record levels as does the federal debt- endangering the fragile economic recover. Double dip recession looming? With the community organizer in charge I have no doubt about it.

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UGA — “Joe….politely? haha”

If you think I was impolite, you’re certainly within your rights to say something about it.

Since you didn’t, I doubt you found my questions and requests impolite at all, regardless of what you’re saying now.

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TGT, I agree totally!!

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Joe Mama….Ok let me ask you this question. Please tell me one thing you feel Obama has done to help the country and our economy?

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UGA — “Joe….there you go again. You cannot think on your own? That is really bad….your parents should have taught you better.”

Do you have something substantive to add to the discussion, or are you simply trying to get a rise out of me?

“You mentioned you were disabled?”

I am.

“What is your disability? The lack of ability to reason and think?”

Manifestly not, since I clearly write and spell better than you, and given that I’ve brought your spittle-flecked rantings about the President to a screaming halt. Try again, young man/lady.

“(pointing and laughing).”

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

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Joe…..You are the one that supports gay marriage. Please do not suggest that I am trying to “get a rise” out of anything regarding you.

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“Yes, changing the definition of marriage will have PROFOUND consequences that go FAR beyond two “consenting adults.” For evidence of this we need to look no further than California where the state senate there recently passed a law requiring the teaching of “gay history.”

OK, but not to be petty about this, but gay history can be summed up in a few pages as “French military heroes” or “intelligent people who voted for Hope & Punt ™ ” . Not exactly something that will destroy civilization here.

Once the legal defn. of marriage changes, what is to stop a govt. requiring similar activities when it comes to gay marriage?”

And again, what do you care about the private activities of two consenting adults when it doesn’t affect you life, liberty or property?

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Dave R. It does affect our lives and liberty. Marriage is one of the most fundamental elements of our society. Changing it will change more aspects of our country that you realize.

Also, think about the healthcare and benefits costs for each company.

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More Federal Government Overreach from the Obama Administration:

Obama’s Feds sting Amish farmer selling raw milk locally
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/28/feds-sting-amish-farmer-selling-raw-milk-locally/

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joe fool: My life after McCain has been very nice thank you, I am fortunate enough to live in a republican state and my business is booming. As far as the license, I’ve had mine since 1991 and have never had a tax problem but then I am one of those evil rich , at least on paper, that you obozo bedwetters love to hate. Worry not joe fool, I am up to date on my payments, you should see no slowdown in your EBT credits.

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Dave R., there are other options……..there is “agree” and there is “disagree”…..and we disagree…..have fun thumbing through the dictionary today!!

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LWM,

“Again, this shows your ignorance. NPR is not “close to Obama”. Not by a long shot. That is to say, they aren’t close to him the way FOX was “close” to Bush, say. ”

This is the big disconnect, right here. I am willing to grant you the license to claim that Fox is close to Bush. Compared to CBS, where Dan Rather was fabricating evidence that was true, even if it was made up, Fox was fair. This is the give and take of discussion, or so it seems.

The problem is that you simply take in this discussion. You don’t give. There’s no room for discussion with you. You’re right. I’m wrong. You can’t grant me the license of opinion to go along and say, “well yeah, I see your point. NPR really is pretty left-wing leaning, so is MSNBC, Rachel Maddow is probably the most biased other personality I can think of.

…And that’s just fine with me, LWM, because you know all those kooky charges of racism from guys like my own Congressman John Lewis, those unchecked uncivil blowouts from my former congressman, David Scott, unnoticed by “civil” people like say, Tucker and Bookman (far as I remember), and the Washington Press Corps that would rather spend 30 months of ink and paper knocking “birthers” rather than asking a simple question of the President… all of these things are not unknown to the American people. All of these facts, make people look at us, and say, “hey, maybe the conservative guy” (and we’re strictly “conservative” in your game (not just “people)) knows something here about what he’s talking about….. and looky there, that left-wing management guy doesn’t even want to be reasonable, meet him half way.”

If the gig isn’t up, it’s ending.

“This from someone who believes there’s an issue with Barack Obama’s citizenship? Bizarre reasoning there, Buck.”

Never said there was. My problem is the delay and the left-wing amusement that the President was apparently caused to play with the press that is in his hip pocket, and the consequent manipulation of his political opponents. You surely aren’t going to claim that say, Sarah Palin wouldn’t have been absolutely scandalized by failure to submit her long form birth certificate, had the same charges not been considered of her?

We all know that Sarah Palin wouldn’t have been left alone by the LIBERAL REPORTER who bought the house next door to her, were her situation similar. We can also be sure that FOX NEWS would have covered the story!

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Dave R:

Although ambivalent on the topic of gay marriage, I spend a lot of time looking into the what-ifs. The social creep (not intended as a slur to gays) behind leftist agendas has always intrigued me.

So what does this mean? That we shouldn’t enact gay marriage because of some sort of social Precautionary Principle

What is it they say….”The road to hell is paved with good intentions?”

Not saying that gays are goin’ to hell either, just saying the law of unintended consequences is something to consider before embarking on a journey into the unknown.

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UGA — “Joe Mama….Ok let me ask you this question. Please tell me one thing you feel Obama has done to help the country and our economy?”

Certainly. Job losses have slowed SIGNIFICANTLY in the last year. Job losses accelerated horribly in the last year or so of President Bush’s last term, and peaked around the time of the inauguration. There was a period of about two years with absolutely HORRIBLE job creation/loss numbers. But about a year or so into his term, the numbers started to turn around for Mr. Obama. In fact, his job creation numbers turned around *faster* than they did under Mr. Bush, and despite us being a deeper hole than the one Mr. Bush inherited.

Unemployment still sucks, that’s true. But President Obama turned a worse situation around faster than President Bush did. We still have a long way to go to bring overall unemployment down, but we’re making a good start now, and faster than a lot of people thought we would.

I have said before, and I shall say again, that I am disappointed in a lot of what he’s done. But from my perspective, half a friend is better than an outright enemy.

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@Plummer
“My life after McCain has been very nice thank you,”

Great, sounds like Prez O has turned YOUR economy around in your area. Good news my friend.

“Worry not joe fool, I am up to date on my payments, you should see no slowdown in your EBT credits.”

GREEEAT, now all i have to do is get me a Caddy like that lady Doom always seems to see at the grocery store…lol

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UGA — “Joe Mama…..I understand that you get confused easily but I was referring to “Joe Cool” regarding the race comments.”

Clearly you’re the one confused, because you apparently mashed up a reply to Joe Cool and a reply to me in the selfsame post without indicating that you were doing it.

Poor form, young man/lady. You lose one letter grade. See me after class.

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Dave R., Rome and Sodom grew also…….look where it got them.

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Joe Mama Joe Mama Joe Mama! Look Joe Cool misspelled “STOOPID”….attack dog attack!

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joe fool, my economy was never down in the Clinton, Bush or oblowhard terms. Guess I chose the right profession, Service Plumbers never run out of work, we can’t be replaced by a machine… yet, and we here in Georgia don’t have to worry about unions or their thugs taking over our shops. Under the current pretender in chief, gas and materials have doubled in price but it still being America, I am able to pass that cost along to the consumer. Yes, life is good and in less than 600 days, it will be much better. P.S. I picture you more of a Lexus SUV driver than in a Caddy, as you cruise yo baby mama to the store. Your posting name says alot more about you than you think.

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Jay,

” A wiser, more temperate man would allow others to make such claims on his behalf, but since they haven’t”

You’re talking about wisdom and temperance? We are amused. I’m not sure Socrates ignored valid points like you frequently do. I’m not sure who the sage was who just went along and said, “nothing to see here, folks.” I don’t think I’ve honestly ever had such a lengthy discussion with you about anything, but suddenly the subject is about ME?

Interesting window into your methods there, Jay. You get paid to do this, right?

Now I’m what, “crowing myself” ? Well, I guess I could have used, “tallest” tree and been even haughtier, right? Who are conservatives here? On any given day there are what, five, maybe six who post as much as I do? –crowning? That’s a hoot. The NY times considers Obama smarter than any President around, you consider your fellow countrymen stupid if they are conservatives, and I’m the king of a one-man kingdom? OK, consider this kingdom sovereign and at rhetorical war with yours, how’s that?

So it would have been acceptable for me to create another login just to be more um…. “humble” about what you see as praising myself?

You can ignore the challenge I gave you, as you do daily. When you are right and then claim that I am full of gasconade only, it’s an opportune time to kick me when I’m down–to pile on in your own blog. Of course, you could be wise and temperate and let someone else do it for you.

But I welcome at all times an honest discussion. I have no personal stake in this whatever. Like you, I want my political side to win after a thorough struggle to discover the truth.

I have admitted my mistake, my “blithe” continuance before I had facts. What else do you want? I think I see the disconnect here too, as we had with LWM minutes earlier. It is simply this: I want to win, but I don’t want to sacrifice the truth in the end.

You just smell blood in the water and have been playing this game far longer than little old I……

….and you’re getting paid a whole lot of money to distort the truth as often as you do. Now you want to spend that time on me? Fine. I can take it….

….so too can Donald Trump. We both ought not be President, but we are here to point out faults in YOUR logic when we see it, even as you attack us personally.

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UGA — “Joe….Unemployment was 8.1% when Bush left office. Unemployment is now at 9.2% and peaked under Obama near 10%.”

I think I’ve asked you before if you wanted to see the numbers I’m talking about, and you’ve never said that you would. Would you like to see them and to receive a brief explanation of what you’re looking at?

“How is that making it better.”

The U3 number you cite is misleading at best, and especially so when you don’t know what goes into it, how it’s calculated and what is left out of it. Would you like an explanation of why I think that?

“Tell me what you feel he has done to make unemployment go down?”

Show me where I said that he had made *unemployment* go down.

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UGA — “Joe Mama…..Maybe you should choose a name that is not already being used.”

And maybe you should pay closer attention to what you post. Don’t try to make your error my mistake. Grow up and take personal responsibility for your mistake.

At this point, it would be an adult thing for you to do, admitting that you made a mistake or two there.

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Interesting that in a discussion about rules of laws, courts and similar matters, the birthers still do not acknowledge that a document which says on its face that it is the official legal document and serves as primia facie evidence in court and entitled to full faith and credit under the US Constitution would somehow not suffice to prove the matter of birth and they demanded the non-legal document, blaming Obama for not asking Hawaii to waive their rules in the past for special consideration of this matter.

And then there are the blithering lunatics who claim that Trump won? Where are the tax returns Donnie? Where is the info your investigators were finding? What a maroon!

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Joe Mama…..You said “he is making the situation better”. My question to you is how?

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He is making the situation better because with each passing day, there is one less day for him to screw up this country any further.

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Joe Mama…..”I told you upthread. He’s turned around the job creation numbers significantly faster than President Bush did, and from a much deeper hole than the one President Bush inherited.”

That in itself is a lie. First of all the numbers originally quoted by Obama have turned out to be false. Secondly, what good does it do to create jobs if you are losing them faster than you create them. Ever hear of the “funnel effect”?

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Joe….Here are a few numbers for you.

9.2% Unemployment
67% of America believe the economy is getting worse
49% of America believe the economy is in poor shape
32% the percentage of businesses hiring
44% of Americans say they are struggling.
19.5% say they are underemployed.
42% Obamas approval rating.

Not looking good for 2012 eh?

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UGA — “That in itself is a lie.”

No, it’s not.

“First of all the numbers originally quoted by Obama have turned out to be false.”

The numbers I have don’t *come* from President Obama. Would you care to see them or not?

“Secondly, what good does it do to create jobs if you are losing them faster than you create them. Ever hear of the “funnel effect”?”

These are the NET job creation numbers, broken down by month. They are the aggregate of jobs created AND of jobs lost each month. Sometimes the numbers are negative. Ever hear of “mathematics?”

Once again, would you care to see the numbers or not?

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UGA — “Joe….Here are a few numbers for you.”

You asked me a question, and I replied politely, and asked you a polite question in response. I have now repeated that question several times. I think it is rude of you to continue raging against my posts and posting other numbers without giving me the courtesy of a reply first.

Do you want to see the numbers I have or not, please?

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UGA — “Joe…..Ever hear of rising unemployment rates? You can not argue with the facts.”

I certainly can. Numbers don’t necessarily mean what you claim they do. Fortunately, I have a strong background in statistical analysis and I know why the unemployment numbers are behaving as they are — and it isn’t what you think.

“Just because you dont like them doesnt mean they are false.”

Show me where I have called them false, please.

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UGA — “Joe…..You may want to read”

In the absence of a direct, polite response from you to my question, I don’t plan to read any of your links.

Once again, the numbers I have don’t *come* from President Obama. Would you care to see them or not?

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Joe….again avoiding the facts. I WIN!

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NUMBER 361 March Employment and Unemployment April 1, 2011 Reporting Quality… for Monthly Employment and Unemployment March Unemployment Rates: 8.8 U.3 , 15.7 U.6 , 22.0… employment and the headline U.3 unemployment rate numbers.

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Joe….”Partisans”? Who said I was “partisan” , do you know how I have voted historically?

Feel free to post what ever you would like. This is a free blog.

Who said a word about Saddam?

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Hussein says “I have never seen devastation like this”.

I ask…..have you looked at the economy lately?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42813800/ns/weather/

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UGA — “I ask…..have you looked at the economy lately?”

I ask . . . do you want to see the numbers or not?

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This is Great….the failed Demoncrat seeks my permission!! I WIN!

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“Guess you don’t venture far from your MTV rap songs when posting huh little fellow? As far as Paladino, sorry, I don’t know enough about New York politicians to comment.”

Plummer, Didnt know “rap music” spoke of NY politician Paladino. Think about that my friend, you’d have to READ to stay abreast of things like that. “Rap music” is cool sometimes, but not forte though. I listen to various genres of music.

“Imagine that, and I wasn’t even attacked and lynched because of the color of my skin”

You thought you would be???? Tsk, Tsk……

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Thulsa Doom
April 29th, 2011
11:18 am
“And in more serious news unemployment claims grew by 25,000 last week, several staples such as coffee, sugar, etc. have gone up over 100% in the past year as inflation is rapidly making its presence known, and gas continues to rise to record levels as does the federal debt- endangering the fragile economic recover….”

Coffee and sugar are staples?

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Trump should run against the Idiot Messiah in the Democrat primary.

You heard it here first.

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“You are trying to blame the victim.”

Seeing that you and most major newspapers have committed a forest of paper and rivers of ink to this subject just to publicly mock conservatives, I’d say that’s what you are doing.

Now that it’s all over. Now that the long form has been released we wondered what all the hubub was about. But you…you’ve still got the right-wing crazies story to go on for another 75 weeks. Remember your quota?

Glad to see you got one in today.

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Ah King and Spalding the firm name brings to the minds eye that venerable old German word
“durchfall”.

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I suspect Paul Clement was fired for agreeing to a contract the firm didn’t vet, and causing the firm great embarrassment, and turmoil internally.

More importantly, accused people deserve their day in court, not causes. Causes do not “deserve” a legal defense, like people do. A law, like DOMA or any other law, does not have Bill of Rights protections. For Paul Clement to imply that he’s a good lawyer for taking on an unpopular cause is extremely misleading. Atticus Finch in “To Kill a Mockingbird” exemplifies a real legal hero: representing a PERSON CHARGED WITH A CRIME otherwise unlikely to find a competent lawyer. DOMA is neither a person nor charged with a crime. It has no Bill of Rights protections. Defend it if you want, choose not to defend it you want. But don’t say you’re defending it because it deserves a defense. It has no legal right to a defense, not being a person accused of a crime, and such.

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