GOP: The birther craze was Obama’s fault
You know, the shamelessness required to utter things like this is just mind-boggling.
“We’re borrowing four and a half billion dollars a day and this president is more worried about birth certificates, Oprah Winfrey and fundraisers at the Waldorf Astoria,” (RNC Chairman Reince) Priebus complained on “CNN Newsroom” Thursday, a day after the president released his long-form Hawaii birth certificate and then jetted to Chicago for a long-scheduled interview with the daytime queen of talk.
“It’s maddening and I just wish the president would engage in the real issues that are affecting America.”
After years in which members of Preibus’ party and its right-wing media remora complain bitterly that Obama has refused to release his “long-form” birth certificate, spinning absurd fantasies in which a large portion of the GOP base eagerly swallows, the president finally relents and forces release of documents that any rational person already knew existed.
And suddenly it’s the president who is making this an issue and a distraction?
It’s pitiful. Just pitiful. Do they actually expect people to believe such nonsense? Unbelievable.
Then again, given that so many were willing to believe the birther craziness in the first place, it’s not too far-fetched to believe they’ll buy this too.
– Jay Bookman
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The Compliment Guy
April 29th, 2011
5:31 pm
Harry C makes a good living if he makes more than the President. That’s a great thing.
Mama Says
April 29th, 2011
5:31 pm
Jay,
let me explain to you and all the “left wingers” the difference between racist and law abiding citizen and why you to should be a “birther”.
Not withstanding the fact that the constitution clearly says you need to be a US citizen the bigger issue to me is that you are standing up for a hypocritical government in which the wealthy, who you seem to oppose in all other policies you follow, benefit from your current stance. You see in everyday life we, normal regular citizens have to produce our birth certificates in a variety of circumstances. We have to to show it to put our kids in rec ball, we have to show it to get passports, we have to show it to get a drivers license and it is one of only a few forms acceptible to vote.
The problem comes in when you libs argue that you shouldn’t show it to be THE PRESIDENT. I do believe that we have to agree that being president is a little more important than your kid playing baseball.
Joe Mama
April 29th, 2011
5:38 pm
@@ — “You’re a bit thick in the head if you don’t mind my saying.”
Shrug. You don’t know me, what I think or what motivates me, but you’re apparently *sure* I’m a bigot based on your presumptions and on conclusions you’ve leapt to. That’s not me being slow, it’s you being quick with your trigger finger. And that often leads to poor aim.
“It’s as though you wanna hang onto your hurt feelings even when there’s no justification.”
It’s not a matter of feelings. It’s a matter of wondering how I might have given you the impression that I was a bigot. Since you won’t clarify and since you don’t know me very well, it’s not a difficult matter to conclude that you’re just a drive-by.
“Whatever trips your trigger, dude.”
Not everyone thinks like you do, sir/ma’am. That doesn’t make them wrong, just different from you.
Dusty
April 29th, 2011
5:39 pm
Gm,
You need some fresh air. Southerners that support Trump? You mean there are some? Where?
Trump is about as Southern as weinerschnitzel. Don’t know where you get a connection. His wild personality is kinda interesting sorta like his hairstyle. But that’s about it.
So what’s new? I believe it is about dinner time. Yes it is…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 29th, 2011
5:40 pm
Mama Says…..President Obama has a passport and the original certificate of live birht is sufficient documentation for him to have obtained a passport today as well as a drivers license or to get a child into rec ball. That certificate has been available for over 2 years.
Now that you understand, you’ll agree not to be a birther?
jm
April 29th, 2011
5:42 pm
Dusty 5:39 – I have to tell you some funny as hell cr-p I saw in passing (which Jay should know too). Flipping through channels. Behar show on CNN-HN. Got some dude commentator on there. They’re discussing Trump.
Then, the guy goes so far as to say that outside of LA and NY, you’re really dealing with a bunch of ignorant racist idiots. Um. Hello, Trump is from NY!!!
Unbelievable. It really got my goat.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
April 29th, 2011
5:42 pm
Hmmmm….Why didn’t the LIAR in Chief release it 1 1/2 years ago? You should have to prove you are an American citizen BEFORE your run for the office.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 29th, 2011
5:46 pm
mmm… you do know that the document he released before the election is the official legal document and proof in court.
This has been another episode of questions asked and answered but some just wont accept reality.
Toby
April 29th, 2011
5:46 pm
And yet you folks couldn’t find anyone that could win against Obama. The joke continues to be on you.
Joe Mama
April 29th, 2011
5:47 pm
MMM — “Hmmmm….Why didn’t the LIAR in Chief release it 1 1/2 years ago? You should have to prove you are an American citizen BEFORE your run for the office.”
The State of Hawaii and its Republican Governor verified the certificate before the election. Why was that not good enough?
Mama Says
April 29th, 2011
5:49 pm
To continue……..
with all that said are you libs really saying that presidential canidates SHOULD NOT have to prove citizenship based on the fact that Obama is African American and birthers are racist ? I mean take this for the very worse–if all birthers are racist, are you really saying that because of racist we shouldn’t make sure our office holders are natural born citizens ?
I will give you libs a little, this entire issue did not come up until Obama was president and as a minority I can see why you would think it’s racial but I will tell you this—–The issue itself has provided information that I never knew. I never knew that our government officials were not asking for proof of U.S natural birth from ALL national canidates !!! Isn’t that a no brainer–really I mean come on can’t we agree on that ? Our elected officicals should be from the U.S. right ?
Black, white or brown they should have to prove they were born here. Am I really a racist for asking that my president be a US natural born citizen !
You libs are throwing out the baby with bath water and you are putting my life in jepordy in order to make yourselves feel good !! I mean if you don’t have to be a natural born citizen Bin Laden could run for president, right ?
please stop and just enforce the law.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 29th, 2011
5:50 pm
Dusty: I’m afraid I take freedom of speech seriously. I think you are out of line but you can say what you want (unless the moderator says NO!).
I have no problem with you exercising your freedom of speech. I encourage you to use it as I go to work on a daily basis to make sure you remain to have it when you wake up the next morning. You’re entitled to your opinions, as you think I’m out of line, but opinion does not always equal fact. I’m of the opinion that sometimest the best exercise of “free speech” is silence.
A quote I often find myself reading when I come across posts like the one you responded to is this: “Every absurdity has a champion to defend it, for error is always talkative.” ~~ Oliver Goldsmith
Left wing management
April 29th, 2011
5:52 pm
Mama Says: “You see in everyday life we, normal regular citizens have to produce our birth certificates in a variety of circumstances”
Obama did just that, Mama. He showed his birth certificate, and long ago. Only the crazies out there decided it wasn’t enough and said “show us more!” So he finally gave in and presented the extra documents (as they should be called).
So there shouldn’t be any problem, right?
Jay
April 29th, 2011
5:52 pm
See Mama, that’s where the problem arises.
Obama DID show us his birth certificate, the same official document issued by the state of Hawaii to everyone born there, with the raised seal and everything. He also used that same document to acquire a US passport, just like you and every other law-abiding citizen.
And yet, for him that is somehow not enough. For some reason, you and others demand something even more, something well beyond what the US government requires for passports and what the state of Hawaii issues those born there.
The fact that you’ve demanded something extra, something well beyond the norm — THAT’S why people start wondering about the real motivation here. And for good reason.
Mama Says
April 29th, 2011
5:54 pm
Joe Mama ! what the heck are you saying ? I am a conservative who is responding to the allegation from libs that birthers are racist. I did not call birthers racist—–duh
Joe Mama
April 29th, 2011
5:57 pm
mama says — “but I will tell you this—–The issue itself has provided information that I never knew. I never knew that our government officials were not asking for proof of U.S natural birth from ALL national canidates !!! Isn’t that a no brainer–really I mean come on can’t we agree on that ? Our elected officicals should be from the U.S. right ?”
I don’t have a problem with that. The issue is that y’all didn’t ACCEPT that the state of his birth validated his birth certificate BEFORE the election. Under the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the US Constitution, each state is to accept the legal documents and proceedings of every other state as being as valid as their own. So since Hawaii said ‘it’s for real,’ that should have been the end of it.
That it *wasn’t* the end of it is not the President’s fault. If you want some stiffer standard, then I encourage you to lobby Congress to promulgate one. However, under the ex post facto prohibition in the Constitution, it won’t apply to President Obama — just to whoever comes later.
Come up with the standard FIRST. Then we can talk about how to apply it.
Joe Mama
April 29th, 2011
5:58 pm
“”Joe Mama ! what the heck are you saying ? I am a conservative who is responding to the allegation from libs that birthers are racist. I did not call birthers racist—–duh”
You appear to be replying to a post of mine that was aimed at someone else. Duh right back at you.
Dusty
April 29th, 2011
6:02 pm
jm 5:42,
Yes, it is “crazy”. Well, since I am not from LA or NY, this I-R-I is going to the kitchen to feed the hungry!! Hang in there.
Dusty
April 29th, 2011
6:09 pm
SoCo, Fer Pete’s sake! That’s just it. I did not make the error of defending the absurd words of Gm. Why do you keep implying that I did?
You surely do have a bee in your bonnet today. Maybe I will worry about that after dinner…
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 29th, 2011
6:09 pm
Another racist:
—————————————
Today on The Laura Ingraham Show, Harry Alford, president and CEO of the National Black Chamber of Commerce, blasted President Obama’s anti-business administration in an explosive interview. Alford, a 2008 Obama supporter, labeled the administration “Marxist” and “fanatical.” “They might as well put on the brown shirts and swastikas,” he said.
Mama Says
April 29th, 2011
6:11 pm
Sorry Joe Mama,
I see you were responding to someone else–my bad.
Jay, and all other libs
My point is that Obama nor any other federal officiall HAD to show proof of natural born citizenship PRIOR to getting on ballots.
The issue to me is not that Obama himself never proved citizenship but that he nor anyone else HAD to prove it PRIOR TO getting on any ballot.
If it was a requirement to prove natural citizenship we would not see states trying to make it law now. I mean reason stands that if it is not law in Georgia, Iowa or Arizonia they would not be trying to make it law now, right ?
I just learned that this is not being done and I am saying that it should be. Obama has now proven that so it is over as far as he is concerned but the ISSUE itself still needs to be fixed.
Joe Mama
April 29th, 2011
6:18 pm
Mama Says — “Sorry Joe Mama, I see you were responding to someone else–my bad.”
Apology accepted and thank you. No harm done.
“I just learned that this is not being done and I am saying that it should be. Obama has now proven that so it is over as far as he is concerned but the ISSUE itself still needs to be fixed.”
Okay. So what standard do you suggest? Would it be acceptable for a candidate to show a passport? The standard for getting a passport is certainly stiffer than it is for getting a drivers’ license.
Or maybe that you should have to qualify for some low-level Federal security clearance? They check you out pretty closely for those.
Dusty
April 29th, 2011
6:19 pm
Oh, one more laugh…Bookman says “THAT’s why people start wondering about the real motivation here.”
The real motivation here? Oh please. YOUR motivation here is to stir the political pot and I must say, you do a good job. But your ploy at innocence is overdone. Same ol’ fun & games!..
Chicken salad tonight.. mmmgoood!
Gm
April 29th, 2011
6:23 pm
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama – BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
Ths just in , reporters interviewed Brtiish people at the wedding aksing them what they think of America attacking the President of the United States about a b/c they start laughing:
Please all you idiots, hicks, bigots, birthers please stop making us look stupid because your Gop lost the election in 2008.
Left wing management
April 29th, 2011
6:26 pm
Mama says: “Jay, and all other libs”
I get your point. But what did what Jay or anyone else has said on this matter or has said in denouncing the birthers have to do with being a “lib” ?
The fact that the birthers are engaging in a type of collective psychosis (whether or not they’re personally psychotics or not) is beyond debate. It’s a fact. And I believe the same about the “truthers” for the record.
So responsible people of any political persuasion should stand up and call this what it is. Doing so does not – or should not – be tantamount to being a “liberal”. And if it is, then we’re in the psychosis too and god help us.
Mama Says
April 29th, 2011
6:27 pm
Why can’t we just pass a federal law, that states that in order for any person to hold any elected federal office which is assigned, appointed or obtained by the electorial process they must first show proof of U.S natural birth via a “long form certificate of birth” ?
This would ensure that different states could not apply different standards to a canidate and that we all know they are eligible per the constitution.
This could be adopted after the next national election (fro 2014 congressional cycle) so it prevents the impression that we are tryingt o keep Obama off the ballot
Left wing management
April 29th, 2011
6:28 pm
Gm: “Please all you idiots, hicks, bigots, birthers please stop making us look stupid because your Gop lost the election in 2008.”
This is very true. I’ve noticed some comments on forums and blogs around the web in recent days and the topic is commonly being used now as a way to instantly end an argument – as a put down/punch line.
The thick Yanks. They’re only getting thicker.
Mama Says
April 29th, 2011
6:31 pm
Left wing you cannot have both ways –if you believe that u can capsulize birther’s or truthers as nuts then I can apply the same logic of inclusion for those who don’t see a need to ensure natural born citizenship—–which is the part of the argument your side refuses to acknowledge they are making. Your side is stuck on racist nuts–the blinders forbid you to see the more far reaching arguments
Yippee
April 29th, 2011
6:36 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout
April 29th, 2011
6:09 pm
Another racist:
—————————————
Today on The Laura Ingraham Show, Harry Alford, president and CEO of the National Black Chamber of Commerce,
LBB- One can’t assume the CEO to be a black guy, put alas, he actually is. Shouldn’t be much longer until the out front blacks give him the ol’ Uncle Tom treatment. Below is the link to the interview. It is worth the time to hear a FORMER supporter of Obama express his regret and his take on why BHO may not be able to rely on black lemmings the next time. “People are hurting”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/04/29/black_chamber_of_commerce_president_blasts_marxist_brownshirt_obama.html
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 29th, 2011
6:37 pm
Mama…its very clear that many states NO longer issue the long form. HI does not. Obama got a special waiver from the state. The certificate of live birth is the legal form and is sufficient. It is a certification from the state of birth in that state.
Unless HI changed its law (or one of the other states that issue only the short form), a GA requirement to show the “long form” would not be something a person from Hawaii could fulfil.
Moreover as we have already seen, even producing the “long form” does not resolve the issue for the birthers. Let’s remember there are still those that believe Armstrong did not walk on the moon.
Trying to fix crazy does not typically lead to good law-making.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 29th, 2011
6:40 pm
Dusty: SoCo, Fer Pete’s sake! That’s just it. I did not make the error of defending the absurd words of Gm. Why do you keep implying that I did?
You surely do have a bee in your bonnet today. Maybe I will worry about that after dinner…
I never said you defended his words. Re-read what I wrote. My message to you simply stated is just leave stupidity alone. If stupidity tries to have a conversation, it doesn’t last long if there’s nobody to respond to it. Simply responding as you did, even in defense of someone/something, only legitimates that conversation in that person’s mind. Don’t feed into the conversation, and the stupidity collapses under it’s own weight.
Jay
April 29th, 2011
6:40 pm
Why? To justify your paranoia? Justifying paranoia is an insufficient reason to pass a law.
The Constitution already says that the contracts and documents of one state are valid in all states. The state of Hawaii had already certified that the previous birth certificate it had previously issued to Obama was official and valid, which is why the US government accepted it for purposes of issuing a passport.
Constitutionally, that was all that needed to be said and done.
Mama Says
April 29th, 2011
6:42 pm
I believe if it’s federal law the states will have to issue long forms. If they don’t do it now they will have to start.
I believe that if the federal govenment passes laws on voting rights they have jurisdiction over eligibility
Mama Says
April 29th, 2011
6:47 pm
Nice going Jay, I was trying to be civil, that must not sit well with your purpose–and you prove my sides point by your response.
The states may have to recognize the others forms but that DOES NOT MEAN ALL THE FORMS ARE THE SAME nor that the requirements are the same.
So tell me would your argument apply if Georgia refused to give African Americans birth certificates at all of would you want some federally mandated uniformity /
I suspect that is why the voting rights act even exsist—which yo support, right ?
Yippee
April 29th, 2011
6:49 pm
About Hillary supporters being the first to suggest a birthplace contoversy:
Indeed, the rumor that Obama was not a U.S. citizen was initially spread in April 2008 by a group of Hillary Clinton supporters, as reported April 22 by Politico’s Ben Smith and Byron Tau:
If you haven’t been trolling the fever swamps of online conspiracy sites or opening those emails from Uncle Larry, you may well wonder: Where did this idea come from? Who started it? And is there a grain of truth there?
The answer lies in Democratic, not Republican politics, and in the bitter, exhausting spring of 2008.
….
Then, as Obama marched toward the presidency, a new suggestion emerged: That he was not eligible to serve.
That theory first emerged in the spring of 2008, as Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous email questioning Obama’s citizenship.
“Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy. She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth,” asserted one chain email that surfaced on the urban legend site Snopes.com in April 2008.
Frankly I don’t care where the guy was born at this point, as he is going to be gone 1/20/2013. Furthermore, I don’t care to know his grades either. It would however be informative to read his writings to better understand what drives his agenda. I think we can make an educated guess what lurks in those records given his associates and his actions undertaken to keep them sealed.
Mama Says
April 29th, 2011
6:53 pm
By the way you libs refuse to see that Obama and the libs are using this to their own advantage. I just saw the Oprah advertizement for the Obama interview. You know the thing he flew off to take care of after he said the nation was being distracted by the birther issue.
At least the birther issue can be aligned to the constitution–where does Oprah rate as a distraction for a president ?
Gm
April 29th, 2011
6:59 pm
Southern Comfort (aka The Man) Please dont respond, the truth always will keep you quiet
Left wing management : I’m sorry for my idiot America Rep Southerners: It still a shock to them that a person of color got where he is without going thru the good old boy for approval or without playing foot ball or basket at some white University, they mean well, but their history over takes their process toward unity in America.
Left wing management
April 29th, 2011
7:01 pm
Mama: “Left wing you cannot have both ways –if you believe that u can capsulize birther’s or truthers as nuts then I can apply the same logic of inclusion for those who don’t see a need to ensure natural born citizenship—–which is the part of the argument your side refuses to acknowledge they are making. Your side is stuck on racist nuts–the blinders forbid you to see the more far reaching arguments”
Again, I don’t know what “side” you’re talking about. There is only one side here, and that’s the side which accepts that there is a real world out there that we can talk about, one in which a truth claim can be grounded in some reference to a non-delusional reality. In other words, it has to be possible to close an argument and settle a dispute through the appeal to symbolic authority (embodied in institutions and its official representatives, including documentation). By being a “birther” one rejects that reality.
then I can apply the same logic of inclusion for those who don’t see a need to ensure natural born citizenship
The two examples have nothing in common.
“Ensuring” natural born citizenship simply hasn’t been a problem in the past, or at least not so much that we’ve felt a need to institute more rigorous provisions of verification. Though that might change. Up to now I think it’s been felt that the other “vetting” processes are adequate.
Left wing management
April 29th, 2011
7:03 pm
Gm: “I’m sorry for my idiot America Rep Southerners: It still a shock to them that a person of color got where he is without going thru the good old boy for approval or without playing foot ball or basket at some white University, they mean well, but their history over takes their process toward unity in America”
Point taken. But in fairness, apparently it’s not good enough for that Brooklynite who goes under the name Trump either.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 29th, 2011
7:07 pm
Gm: Please dont respond, the truth always will keep you quiet
If you spoke the truth, you might halfway have a point. When you get to the point where you’re speaking the truth, please feel free to let me know.
Jay
April 29th, 2011
7:07 pm
Sorry Mama, but I’m out of patience with this ludicrous claim and those who push it. The state of Hawaii says he was born there and that settles it, long form or short form or medium long form or hugely long form that you have to roll up on a scroll like gift wrap.
May I presume that you are a “limited government” conservative? And yet you advocate having the federal government dictate the form that birth certificates would take?
Well, while we’re at it, let’s take it a step farther. Obama is SUPPOSEDLY the child of Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr. But we don’t know that for sure, now do we? He could have been switched at birth or even later for all we know.
I think to make sure, we need to do a DNA test and dig up both his mother and father. I think we need to do that with all of our presidential candidates, just to make sure they are who they say they are.
You know, just to be REALLY sure.
Yippee
April 29th, 2011
7:08 pm
@Gm
April 29th, 2011
6:59 pm
I laughed at your post until I realized you were serious. Man, (or woman) you’ve got issues. I think history and facts may not support your assertions relative to party affiliation and “good old boys”.
Yippee
April 29th, 2011
7:17 pm
Oh no! Our host has been sucked in and is acting silly. Best wishes to all and don’t forget those suffering after the storms. If you are able to do so, consider finding a way to offer help. These victims need to see and feel some love from the more fortunate among us. My Friday morning “small group” is going to try to go to Ringgold or some stricken area next week and do something for some of these folks. Adios Amigos.
Mama Says
April 29th, 2011
7:19 pm
To all my southern redneck friends I am sorry that GM seeks to use the color of ones skin to openly further his/her own political agenda at the expense of all logic and national standard. I am also sorry that in his/her effort to unite us all as U.S. citizens we must first acknowledge the ills of the white southern male and use it as the form of measurement in any issue which a liberal uneducated appologist needs to first look in the mirror and disavow any part in his/her involement in this country’s history of oppression. I also am sorry that even though the acts of oppression were committed by both northern Ango Americans as well as Southern, people like GM feel completely comfortable in judging an entire group of people based on their skin color and land of origin(southern) in order to prove that those he/she indict, as a group, are guilty of wrongly judging people based on their color and orgin.
I also appologize that you must face the worse of all bigots, the one who uses the very definition of bigot in his/her analysis of those who he/she judgesand then uses that standard to call you one.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 29th, 2011
7:24 pm
Jay, now you know that the DNA could be planted…from now on everyone must be tagged and followed by cameras and have their entire lives on air and recorded a la Truman, Even then thoe sneaky Dems, Libs or other groups who have outsmarted Wall Street, the birthers, the Republicans or others may outsmart us once again like the Road Runners they are.
Mama Says
April 29th, 2011
7:35 pm
Jay &, Left Wing,
Jay you are the one who posted the topic so you cannot thenm turn around and and complain that the birthers are the ones keeping this going. To your larger point I do believe the government is way to big and I am ensured by the fact that every two weeks I see what they take from me. Now if by that you are saying that I am for complete disolution of the government you are wrong. I see the larger issue of birth certificates and birth location as a government duty to ensure that those elected have our (yours too) interest at heart.
I don’t need Obama to prove citizenship b/c he is African American I need it to ensure that ANYONE is a natural citizen. You have no problem with federal mandates on medical insurance why can’t you support a uniform standard to a national issue ? If this argument was about individual state politics you would both have a point but 50 different standards for a NATIONAL election is simply stupid.
I mean come on you do see a reason to have one standard to get a Georgia drivers license right ? or do you want 159 individual standards. I mean if you are comfortable with different standards why do you see the need for federal law at all ?
Left Wing—–come on you keep insisting that these birther issue and national standards are different. With Obama the point is done but as I will say once again—–all national canidates should meet a national for office PRIOR to being on the ballot. Why is that so hard ? I mean wouldn’t that prevent us racist rednecks from putting our own standards on things ? and would it have made this entire Obama birther argument moot ?
@@
April 29th, 2011
7:41 pm
Joe Mama:
That’s not me being slow, it’s you being quick with your trigger finger. And that often leads to poor aim.
My post wasn’t addressed to anyone nor was I looking for a response. Unfortunately for you, you stepped in and got caught in the never-ending crossfire that exists here at jay’s place.
Sheesh!
It was a snarky comment aimed at jay’s left-wingers who proclaim that NOT wanting to assist the underprivileged is somehow bigoted.
Now please…go stare at some other wall…take a notepad with you. Do your best not to try to figure anything out. Just be there.
Or not. Makes no difference to me.
@@
April 29th, 2011
7:45 pm
Jay you are the one who posted the topic so you cannot then turn around and complain that the birthers are the ones keeping this going.
That gets a huge AMEN! from me. I wouldn’t wanna count how many times jay has brought the birther topic to this “humble” abode.
Mama Says
April 29th, 2011
7:48 pm
Anyway,
thanks folks for the conversation—most of u get me mad for your ‘we are the world approach’ to U.S policy but I enjoy the debate.
if you libs knew me you would feel gulity for the grouping that you are willing to put me in without knowing me–which is irony at it’s height by the way.
Just as a point of ref for next time.
I support gay rights although I am not
I support Gay adoption b/c cause no child should be left out
I support the war powers act–b/c no president including Obama should be able to avoid congress when attacking someone.
I support less taxes–b/c the government waste our money and is not frugel
I support the right to life b/c no child should die b/c a women wants to live a more comfortable life
I also believe that we can get along if we stop calling each other racist and socailist before we talk about the issue
and I believe that liberals, and this is hard to say, are just as likely to fix a national problem as a republican if we both get out of our trenches and work on them.
good nite have a nice weekend
Kamchak
April 29th, 2011
7:53 pm
most of u get me mad for your ‘we are the world approach’ to U.S policy but I enjoy the debate.
You’re responsible for your own emotions, sport
if you libs knew me you would feel gulity[sic] for…
If I wanted to board the shame train for a guilt trip, I’d go to church.
Mama Says
April 29th, 2011
8:00 pm
Classy Kamchak—–and you’re wrong we all are responsible for each others emotions since most of them are responses to actions others take, e,g, anger, sadness, happiness, love etc… but u are welome to your emotions as well
Kamchak
April 29th, 2011
8:12 pm
—–and you’re wrong we all are responsible for each others emotions since most of them are responses to actions others take…
No, sport.
It’s called self-control.
Tundra Dude
April 29th, 2011
9:17 pm
JB wrote, in part:
Obama is SUPPOSEDLY the child of Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr. But we don’t know that for sure, now do we?
Who’s yo Daddy? Why, the commie-poet Frank Marshall Davis, quite likely.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamathelovechild.php
Mr Right
April 29th, 2011
10:05 pm
I think libs like Jay talk about this issue more than the conservatives do>
Yippee
April 29th, 2011
11:09 pm
THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES (why no music thing this Friday?) Distracted???
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/bronstein/detail?entry_id=87978&tsp=1
affableman
April 30th, 2011
5:38 pm
Try the GOP’s fault for embracing racists, religious fanatics and all around nut-jobs.
j
April 30th, 2011
5:41 pm
You have to be born here to be president. It should have to be shown as soon as you run!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its his fault it went this far. I hope he did not spend too much tax dollars running from this issue! Politicians all suck and we need new ones, with term limits.
FOOLS
Neil B
April 30th, 2011
7:37 pm
Trump has some birth certificate issues of his own:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/donald-trump/what-is-donald-trump-trying-hide-us-563901
Also, those of you still complaining about supposed oddities in the long-form COLB: do you really think an entire State government would obfuscate just for a conspiracy hatched by Obama?
Cherish
May 1st, 2011
3:55 am
He will discover another Pres. Obama “issue”, and run with it until the publicity value is done http://bit.ly/kquS0e
Gandalf, the White
May 3rd, 2011
6:44 am
Barry is afraid of the Donald, that’s the only reason he gave up the cert!