No circumstance to circumscribe the circumcised
The political quirks of San Francisco have made it a favorite target of conservatives, but I’ve never been tempted to join in the sport. I mean, sure, the folks in Baghdad by the Bay can be a little out there at times, but if you don’t like it, you don’t have to move there, right?
It’s still a great city to visit, and if fate dictated that I had to live the rest of my days looking out over Fisherman’s Wharf and the Golden Gate Bridge, I guess I could probably live with that.
“Will a circumcision ban in San Francisco make, um, the final cut and appear before voters this November?
Proponents of the ban took 12,265 signatures to the Department of Elections today and should learn within a month whether 7,168 of them indeed came from registered city voters. If so, the city will have another one of its classic only-in-San Francisco measures to debate.
Wearing pins reading “May the foreskin be with you,” the backers of the ban gathered at City Hall to turn in their signatures. Then they told reporters more than anybody ever wanted to know about the increasingly controversial procedure….
The ban would outlaw circumcision in the city on any male under 18 years old – even for religious reasons. Breaking the law would count as a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of up to $1,000 and jail time for up to a year. Opponents say the ballot measure would never stand up in court because it violates the freedom of religion clause of the U.S. Constitution.”
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AmVet
April 28th, 2011
5:53 pm
Bonehead?
We’re gonna chase those crazy baldheads outta the town…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scs6mWiHnyA
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 28th, 2011
5:56 pm
AmVet..great Trump article. Incisive. Timely. Well-reasoned.
Good little liberal
April 28th, 2011
5:56 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
You really need to pick up a history book. But just for fun, please do what you are always insisting that I do. Prove your point.
Here’s my proof: “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.”
Dusty
April 28th, 2011
5:58 pm
poison pen,
Have a pleasant evening….
Jay
April 28th, 2011
5:58 pm
Dusty, this is my lawn, not yours.
saywhat?
April 28th, 2011
5:59 pm
While Jews in San Francisco may be unhappy if this law passes, perhaps they can look to us Irish Catholics for solace, who instead of cutting it off, wear it off.
Paul
April 28th, 2011
6:03 pm
Dusty
Thank you kindly, ma’am!
And the same to you and yours!
Good little liberal
April 28th, 2011
6:03 pm
More on JFK:
In his 1963 State of the Union, he proposed substantial tax reform and reduction, in income tax rates, from the current range of 20-90% to a range of 14-65%; he proposed a reduction in the corporate tax rates from 52 to 47%
Good little liberal
April 28th, 2011
6:05 pm
And the results of his policies on taxes:
The economy turned around and prospered during the Kennedy administration. GDP expanded by an average of 5.5% from early 1961 to late 1963,[141] while inflation remained steady at around 1% and unemployment eased;[142][143] industrial production rose by 15% and motor vehicle sales leapt by 40%.[144] This rate of growth in GDP and industry continued until around 1966, and has yet to be repeated for such a sustained period of time
TaxPayer
April 28th, 2011
6:11 pm
I think Dusty has penis envy. There! I said it. Someone had to do it.
Left wing management
April 28th, 2011
6:13 pm
Good little liberal : “Liberalism doesn’t stop. Think up a bunch of crazy ideas, They are pushed, politicians see a way to gain power and control and they are passed. So do liberals stop? No. So the ideas get crazier and crazier. ”
What’s a liberal GLL? Do you realize that you yourself are a liberal? And that being the case, you’d do well to show some respect towards the intellectual tradition from which you come. If you wish to critique it, that’s fine. But when to attempt to do so without showing respect to that tradition, you make a fool of yourself.
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
6:16 pm
“Since birth, have you always thought that gay marriage was an idea worth fighting for? ”
Since BIRTH? No. Since I was a teenager? Yes
“I don’t know how old you are, but I would guess that you grew up in the 60s, maybe 70s. BAck then, when you saw two gay men together, was your first thought: wouldn’t it be great of those two guys could be married?”
yes
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 28th, 2011
6:21 pm
md
They say those hormones are some bad mutha’s….
md
April 28th, 2011
6:21 pm
“Okay, Vanna md.”
Boy…that brings back some memories…..still have that edition of Playboy…..
Good little liberal
April 28th, 2011
6:24 pm
Left wing management
I have no interest in playing semantics.
Intellectual curiosity has little to do with political liberalism. Doesn’t it bother you that the vast majority of the stances of modern liberals are Orwellian in nature? They run away from individualism and run toward dependence on a more and more controlling government. Is that what you want?
md
April 28th, 2011
6:26 pm
“They say those hormones are some bad mutha’s….”
And make for a great excuse…….mine tried to tie them to everything they did that they shouldn’t have…….but, but, but…..I’m a teen……I’m supposed to act like this……..
Good little liberal
April 28th, 2011
6:26 pm
Doggone/GA
LOL!! Sure you did,
LOL!! Everybody was just crazy about gay marriage in the 70s.
Never mind. Intelligent discussions are dependent on honesty.
You have a good night.
md
April 28th, 2011
6:27 pm
“They run away from individualism and run toward dependence on a more and more controlling government. Is that what you want?”
Of course that is what he wants……but I do give him credit……he has no problem admitting as much.
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
6:29 pm
“Doesn’t it bother you that the vast majority of the stances of modern liberals are Orwellian in nature?”
Did it ever occur to you that you couldn’t possible prove this to be true?
Good little liberal
April 28th, 2011
6:30 pm
Doggone/GA
BTW, Gay marriage was first made legal in 2001. 30-40 years before your time and now you spend your life arguing politics on a political blog. I would have thought with that kind of a view of the future, you would have worked for NASA.
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
6:31 pm
“LOL!! Sure you did,”
Yes, I did
“LOL!! Everybody was just crazy about gay marriage in the 70s.”
You didn’t ask me about “everybody” – you asked me about ME
Good little liberal
April 28th, 2011
6:32 pm
Did it ever occur to you that you couldn’t possible prove this to be true?
Really?
Can you name a single stance that you support that doesn’t lessen personal freedoms and strengthen government control?
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
6:32 pm
“30-40 years before your time and now you spend your life arguing politics on a political blog”
“30-40 years” is not BEFORE my time. I was born in 1951
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
6:34 pm
“Can you name a single stance that you support that doesn’t lessen personal freedoms and strengthen government control?”
A woman’s right to choose
Good little liberal
April 28th, 2011
6:37 pm
Doggone/GA
I was born in 52. And you are telling me that you were thinking about gay marriage in 1968. LOL!! That would have made you pretty much the only one.
I apologize. My mistake. I should have known better.
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
6:38 pm
““Can you name a single stance that you support that doesn’t lessen personal freedoms and strengthen government control?””
Gay marriage
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
6:38 pm
“That would have made you pretty much the only one”
Actually, no it didn’t. It was a pretty common belief among my crowd
Good little liberal
April 28th, 2011
6:38 pm
Doggone/GA
Government financed abortions, used to control the population of minorities. Exactly what Margaret Sanger wanted.
josef nix
April 28th, 2011
6:39 pm
GLL
You might be surprized by how many people were for gay marriage back in the 1970s…remember disco when all the breeders “discovered” us? I learned way back in the late 1960s that there were plenty of straight folks who didn’t share your narrow minded views. And, gasp! Believe it or not, that was in the deep, deep Deep South…
Left wing management
April 28th, 2011
6:40 pm
GLL: “Doesn’t it bother you that the vast majority of the stances of modern liberals are Orwellian in nature?”
md’s right. Individualism leads to Ayn Rand, which I have no trouble admitting that I reject. I see it as a dead end. The problems we face are collective in nature and thus the solutions will have to be the same. As to your charge of Orwellian tendencies, I’m not sure what to say. Do you really think the right is not just as guilty of this as the left?
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
6:40 pm
““Can you name a single stance that you support that doesn’t lessen personal freedoms and strengthen government control?””
Elimination of segregation laws
Good little liberal
April 28th, 2011
6:41 pm
Doggone/GA
Government enforcement of social stances, forcing the population to accept it.
You can’t win this. Everything you list has roots in government control or legislation. The more legislation, the bigger the government, the more government control.
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
6:41 pm
“Government financed abortions, used to control the population of minorities”
Abortion is not paid for with government money, not is it mandated by the government.
josef nix
April 28th, 2011
6:42 pm
BTW
Just heard from folks in B’ham…say lot of damage to some of us, but no deaths and no injuries…thank G-d.
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
6:43 pm
“Everything you list has roots in government control or legislation”
How does elimination of laws have roots in government control? I thought you said HONESTY was necessary for a discussion.
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
6:44 pm
“Can you name a single stance that you support that doesn’t lessen personal freedoms and strengthen government control?”
Elimination of misegenation laws
Good little liberal
April 28th, 2011
6:44 pm
Left wing management
At least you are honest about it. I don’t give a damn about the collective. I care about my family and then my friends. After that, the business associates that make my living possible.
“The Collective” have too many people who set on their butts. It has never worked. People are selfish and if you will support them while they do nothing, they will let you.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 28th, 2011
6:44 pm
“Never mind. Intelligent discussions are dependent on honesty.”
“Government financed abortions”
Yep, there’s that honesty…..and the presumption by GLL that his posts qualify as intelligent discussion.
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
6:44 pm
“but no deaths and no injuries…thank G-d.”
that’s great news Josef. I’m glad for you and your family.
FEAR (False Evidence Appearing Real)
April 28th, 2011
6:45 pm
We must stop this barbarism! Look at what is does to the poor baby. One snip and he can’t walk for a year!
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
6:45 pm
“and the presumption by GLL that his posts qualify as intelligent discussion”
Amusing, isn’t it?
Good little liberal
April 28th, 2011
6:46 pm
Doggone/GA
Of course the government pays for abortions and the vast majority of those abortions are done on minorities. Or do you support the defunding of Planned Parenthood?
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
6:47 pm
“Or do you support the defunding of Planned Parenthood?”
Planned Parenthood is banned by LAW from using government funding for abortions.
Good little liberal
April 28th, 2011
6:48 pm
Doggone/GA
““and the presumption by GLL that his posts qualify as intelligent discussion””
You do not have the mental capacity to carry on a discussion without turning it into an adolescent spitting contest. When you grow up. Come back around, but I doubt that will ever happen.
josef nix
April 28th, 2011
6:48 pm
Doggone
Thanks for the thoughts…one of my colleagues was not so lucky…has family in Alabama in several of the places hit…some dead, some injured and some missing…my heart bleeds for her and her family…
Left wing management
April 28th, 2011
6:49 pm
By the way, GLL, you say : “I have no interest in playing semantics”.
Well, why not? As Voltaire said: “If you wish to converse with me, define your terms”
I have it out for people who throw around the word “liberal” without stopping to realize what that means. Liberal is a tradition that goes back to the 18th C and to some extent we’re all products of it. It takes great effort to break out of that and offer something new. So unless you’re a monarchist or a communist or a fascist, or something else that challenges the liberal tradition directly, you’re a liberal. Face it.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 28th, 2011
6:50 pm
Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water…..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-pivots-on-birther-questions-blames-obama-for-media-attention/2011/04/28/AFLrfs6E_story.html
GOP pivots on ‘birther’ questions, blames Obama for media attention
Republican leaders on Thursday slammed President Obama’s release of his detailed birth certificate as a distraction from the nation’s real concerns and attempted to point the finger at him for bringing heightened media attention to it.
Lemme get this straight. For 2-3 years, fringe elements of your party drum up this crap day in and day out. Instead of putting your foot down, you parse words to allow the controversy to fester. Once the low din becomes an Cat 5 Hurricane, Obama shows his birth certificate to shut the conversation down. Once he proves people to be the jackasses everyone else already knew, you now come out and try to blame Obama for sh*t your fringe wouldn’t let die?????
What in the hell is wrong with the GOP leadership? Do they expect people to buy that bovine fecal matter?
Good little liberal
April 28th, 2011
6:50 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
And of course anything other than adolescent spitting from you is out of the question. I noticed that you never even attempted to back up your lame point about JFK.
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
6:50 pm
“my heart bleeds for her and her family”
Mine too. It was frightening last night watching the weather tracking. Seemed like every time they mentioned an town, or an area, I knew someone there.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 28th, 2011
6:50 pm
Doggone….It would be except he represents he “intelligence” of the wingnuts in charge of the Republican party….
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
6:50 pm
““and the presumption by GLL that his posts qualify as intelligent discussion””
Even though I agreed with the thought, I can’t take credit for it. That was not MY quote.
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
6:53 pm
“Do they expect people to buy that bovine fecal matter?”
Sadly, yes they do
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
6:53 pm
“It would be except he represents he “intelligence” of the wingnuts in charge of the Republican party”
Yes, indeed!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 28th, 2011
6:53 pm
GLL…. child, just because you want to twist a quote to back your absurdity does not mean that you have any ability to make an asinine claim that a deceased president would support you. You don’t know squat about what that great man thought.
Good little liberal
April 28th, 2011
6:53 pm
Left wing management
The times define terms. I have a problem with people who want to quibble about accepted terms when more important points are avoided.
Good little liberal
April 28th, 2011
6:54 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
Have a good night.
Good little liberal
April 28th, 2011
6:55 pm
Doggone/GA
Have a good night.
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
6:55 pm
“You don’t know squat about what that great man thought.”
“You’re no Jack Kennedy”
Hillbilly Deluxe
April 28th, 2011
6:59 pm
It was frightening last night watching the weather tracking.
It was eerie how some of those storms last night, in my area, followed very closely on the same path as the storms in 1974.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 28th, 2011
7:00 pm
jm
April 28th, 2011
4:57 pm
My new name for our POTUS (in title only): “Pass the Buck Obama”
—-
That’s good–I’ve been calling him “Blame-game Hussein”. Three words that just absolutely nail the essence of the idiot.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 28th, 2011
7:03 pm
josef
Good news from B’ham.
TaxPayer
April 28th, 2011
7:03 pm
Those tornado warnings had us sleeping in the basement last night.
Normal
April 28th, 2011
7:03 pm
All I gotta say is trimming makes it grow…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 28th, 2011
7:04 pm
Another Sir Robin event, lol.
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
7:04 pm
“It was eerie how some of those storms last night, in my area, followed very closely on the same path as the storms in 1974″
You can blame the mountains for that. They really do funnel the weather
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 28th, 2011
7:05 pm
Doggone
The faithful will gorge on it like a hounddog eating gravy train….
NORMAL!!!!!!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 28th, 2011
7:07 pm
There’s a final problem with portraying Kennedy as the ideological kin of Reagan and Bush on tax policy. Kennedy, it turns out, initially wanted to use government spending, not tax cuts, as the means to put dollars in people’s hands. But that idea ran aground in 1962 because conservatives in Congress opposed it, while the president’s aides feared that the bond market might respond to additional spending with higher rates that could offset their gains. Still, even as Kennedy accepted tax reduction as the first step along the route to growth, he never gave up his spending idea. “First, we’ll have your tax cut,” he told Heller; “then we’ll have my expenditures program.”
Like scripture, it seems, John F. Kennedy can be quoted for many purposes.
Left wing management
April 28th, 2011
7:08 pm
GLL: “I don’t give a damn about the collective. I care about my family and then my friends. After that, the business associates that make my living possible.”
Ok, GLL, suit yourself. Delude yourself if you want, but you’d do well to pay more attention to the words you use. For example, when you suggest that you care about your family, but not the lazy sods who sponge, what good is that if my family can’t find housing or live safely? Even if your family is fortunate and can afford to buy your own protection, what good does it do you to have to live behind an armed fortress because the community around you (the “collective”) that you’ve abandoned has gone to seed. So to handle this problem, what normally happens is my family and your family come together and recognize how they mutually benefit from safety, so they start community institutions that make life civilized.
My guess is if you really lived in a society where those things were lacking, you would not welcome it.
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
7:08 pm
Soco – in my more charitable moments, I can find it sad that the only way they can “win” a “discussion” (read argument) is by twisting the other person’s words into lies. Truly sad.
Fred
April 28th, 2011
7:12 pm
Is it too late to “cut in” on the topic?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 28th, 2011
7:15 pm
There is something “ironic” (I’m being charitable for Doggone
) about someone who takes a JFK quote and twists it to claim that JFK would be hard right because he says “ask what you can do for your country” and then tells us he only cares about himself, his family and his business associates (at least to the extent they benefit him) and to hell with the collective country.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 28th, 2011
7:17 pm
Doggone
I can agree with that. When I’m less than charitable, the word pathetic comes to mind.
FEAR (False Evidence Appearing Real)
April 28th, 2011
7:19 pm
Fred – I think we’ve only reached the “tip” of this iceberg
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
7:20 pm
“There is something “ironic” (I’m being charitable for Doggone ) about someone who takes a JFK quote and twists it”
There truly is. I knew when he invoked “honesty” that I was going to hear exactly the opposite…and I did.
Maybe I *should* have worked for NASA!
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
7:21 pm
“the word pathetic comes to mind.”
There is that
Fred
April 28th, 2011
7:22 pm
Why do lawyers wear neckties?
To keep the foreskins from covering their faces during trial…….
Soothsayer
April 28th, 2011
7:24 pm
NOW! You tell me! After I put all of my money in Bris stocks! OY!
FEAR (False Evidence Appearing Real)
April 28th, 2011
7:28 pm
Guy goes to the doctor and says, “Doc, you gotta help me. I have some salad stuck under my foreskin.”
The doc squints at him a moment, then says, “Lettuce see.”
Good little liberal
April 28th, 2011
7:30 pm
Left wing management
It’s not my job to be responsible for people who won’t be responsible for themselves. I don’t live in a gated community, but I live in a community where people live that i trust. People of all races and of many nations. I contribute through my church for the well being of others. But that’s my choice, not yours.
Why would you trust politicians to take care of the unfortunate when it is to their advantage to keep those people down? Look at the Great Society. It is not life long poverty. It is generational poverty.
Your ideas are heart felt. Of that I am sure. But they simply don’t work because you are leaving the emplimentation to people who profit from your money and not from the advancement of the people that you want to help. Look at the RESULTS. Not the PROMISES.
Think!! It’s like the drilling thing in the US. Liberals want to stop drilling because of environmental concerns. But we need the oil so other countries are assigned the dirty work of drilling, but they don’t have the strict standards that we have so what happens? They drill the way we did in 1900. They pollute like crazy, so what was the result of the liberals that stomped their feet and insisted that we didn’t drill here? It caused MUCH MORE POLLUTION.
I’m not a libertarian. There are uses for the government. but it is ot to support the population. That never works, Never. never, never. And it never will.
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
7:31 pm
” I put all of my money in Bris stocks!”
Don’t put your oysters in one basket
Soothsayer
April 28th, 2011
7:31 pm
Wal-Mart: Our shoppers are ‘running out of money’
Wal-Mart shoppers, many of whom live paycheck to paycheck, typically shop in bulk at the beginning of the month when their paychecks come in.
Wal-Mart has struggled with seven straight quarters of sales declines in its stores.
Billybob
April 28th, 2011
7:32 pm
“What in the hell is wrong with the GOP leadership? Do they expect people to buy that bovine fecal matter?” SC
No, the far far left radical dem party expects people to buy bovine fecal mater……it’s called carbon credits, just ask al gore, he’ll tell ya what’s up……
josef nix
April 28th, 2011
7:35 pm
Sooth
WalMart can’t collapse fast enough for me…
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
7:35 pm
“it’s called carbon credits”
You might find it interesting to look into the subject of air borne sulpher
josef nix
April 28th, 2011
7:35 pm
SoCo
How are your Alabama folks doing…?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 28th, 2011
7:36 pm
No, the far far left radical dem party expects people to buy bovine fecal mater
LOL!!!! You can’t even get it right.
I think what you’re actually referring to, or attempting to refer to, is methane gas. That is a product of the decomposition of bovine fecal matter. You really don’t know sh*t do you?
getalife
April 28th, 2011
7:37 pm
Political Foreskin was hilarious.
Soothsayer
April 28th, 2011
7:37 pm
“WalMart can’t collapse fast enough for me…”
I heard that. I won’t set foot in there.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 28th, 2011
7:38 pm
josef
I haven’t gotten word on the Elmore Co. group. Everyone else is ok. Shocked and dazed, but ok. I haven’t heard of any injuries or fatalities from any friends or family so far.
Good little liberal
April 28th, 2011
7:39 pm
josef nix
“WalMart can’t collapse fast enough for me”
I guess you want poor people to shop at Dillards. You may want to go into a Walmart and take a look at the people who shop there. They don’t shop there because they are dumb. They shop there because it’s what they can afford.
Good little liberal
April 28th, 2011
7:40 pm
Soothsayer
it’s good that you can afford to not step into a Walmart. A lot of people can’t especially with all this Hope and Change going on.
Soothsayer
April 28th, 2011
7:41 pm
Which came first? Wal-Mart or poor people?
Doggone/GA
April 28th, 2011
7:42 pm
“They shop there because it’s what they can afford”
Where did they shop before WalMart existed?
josef nix
April 28th, 2011
7:43 pm
GLL
WalMart almost singlehandedly destroyed the Mom and Pop businesses from sea to shining sea…It has done a lot more damage than good…Dillards? Why them? I prefer not to shop at any chain if I can avoid it…prefer to go where I am known by the owners and I know them…
getalife
April 28th, 2011
7:43 pm
WalMarts are a big deal in little towns.
gll finally got one right.
josef nix
April 28th, 2011
7:44 pm
SoCo
Glad to hear yours you’ve heard from came through…hoping for the same from Elmore…
Soothsayer
April 28th, 2011
7:45 pm
Has anyone else noticed that if you’re a conservative, history begins on Jan 20, 2009? Everything that preceeded that date is lost forever. Lo! and behold! a person to blame everything on appears! “Let’s blame everything on Obama!” is the cry you hear. After all, all that “stuff” that happened between Jan 20 2001 and Jan 20 2009 never really happened. Now did it?
Good little liberal
April 28th, 2011
7:46 pm
Doggone/GA
“Where did they shop before WalMart existed?”
Who cares? I think the question is where will they shop if it doesn’t exist anymore.
I think the real question is what kind of a person would insist that they get to decide where other people shop.
Soothsayer
April 28th, 2011
7:47 pm
“WalMart almost singlehandedly destroyed the Mom and Pop businesses from sea to shining sea…It has done a lot more damage than good…Dillards? Why them? I prefer not to shop at any chain if I can avoid it…prefer to go where I am known by the owners and I know them…”
I heard that too! To say nothing of the Home Depots, Lowes, etc.
josef nix
April 28th, 2011
7:47 pm
GLL
“I think the real question is what kind of a person would insist that they get to decide where other people shop.”
The kind that run WalMart…