No circumstance to circumscribe the circumcised

The political quirks of San Francisco have made it a favorite target of conservatives, but I’ve never been tempted to join in the sport. I mean, sure, the folks in Baghdad by the Bay can be a little out there at times, but if you don’t like it, you don’t have to move there, right?

It’s still a great city to visit, and if fate dictated that I had to live the rest of my days looking out over Fisherman’s Wharf and the Golden Gate Bridge, I guess I could probably live with that.

But still:

“Will a circumcision ban in San Francisco make, um, the final cut and appear before voters this November?

Proponents of the ban took 12,265 signatures to the Department of Elections today and should learn within a month whether 7,168 of them indeed came from registered city voters. If so, the city will have another one of its classic only-in-San Francisco measures to debate.

Wearing pins reading “May the foreskin be with you,” the backers of the ban gathered at City Hall to turn in their signatures. Then they told reporters more than anybody ever wanted to know about the increasingly controversial procedure….

The ban would outlaw circumcision in the city on any male under 18 years old – even for religious reasons. Breaking the law would count as a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of up to $1,000 and jail time for up to a year. Opponents say the ballot measure would never stand up in court because it violates the freedom of religion clause of the U.S. Constitution.”

Or as Rod Stewart would put it:

415 comments Add your comment

Cletus

April 28th, 2011
2:17 pm

San Francisco believes in more skin for your foreskin.

DW

April 28th, 2011
2:18 pm

Jay

April 28th, 2011
2:19 pm

Apparently, yes.

Jonas

April 28th, 2011
2:20 pm

Our leftist west coast friends would like to ban circumcision but would welcome Shariah law. hmmm

The country will eventually straighten out and come back to the center where hard working folks live- in shallah

jm

April 28th, 2011
2:20 pm

So I guess the Right no longer has a monopoly on getting involved in people’s personal lives…. :)

Or maybe it never did….

jm

April 28th, 2011
2:21 pm

THIS IS ANTI-SEMITIC! I’m half serious…..

Jay

April 28th, 2011
2:24 pm

Well, jm, they’re equating it to existing bans on female circumcision, which in some cultures also have a religious basis.

Not saying I buy the argument, but ….

jewcowboy

April 28th, 2011
2:24 pm

Oh my…I would love to see the pubic…ah-hem…public demonstrations of this.

jm

April 28th, 2011
2:24 pm

My more circumspect ( :) ) decision today revolves around whether Walmart or Kroger is more appealing investment wise. Maybe I go the route of: why choose? Buy both!

Jay

April 28th, 2011
2:25 pm

Click on the link JCB. Your wish will be granted.

jewcowboy

April 28th, 2011
2:25 pm

jm,

“Or maybe it never did….”

It never did…why do you think reality television is so popular?

USMC

April 28th, 2011
2:25 pm

What happened to Pro-Choice?

You can abort babies, but don’t you dare touch their foreskin?

jm

April 28th, 2011
2:26 pm

I can’t really believe they’re doing this. Ok, maybe I can. I mean the poor kid doesn’t get a vote on the issue….

AmVet

April 28th, 2011
2:26 pm

This is gonna put an end (get it?) to the bris business and put a lot of mohels out on the street!

(But knowing us MOTs, there ain’t no way in hell they’re gonna just stop doing that covenant!)

Jonas have you always been paranoid? (grin)

ByteMe

April 28th, 2011
2:28 pm

Opponents say the ballot measure would never stand up in court because it violates the freedom of religion clause of the U.S. Constitution

And this concludes this edition of “Duh!”

Seriously, though, they get all uppity about banning abortion because it interferes with the patient-doctor relationship, but it appears that 7000 of them are ok with this?

jm

April 28th, 2011
2:28 pm

jewcowboy 2:25 – indeed….

Mick

April 28th, 2011
2:28 pm

If your’re going to san francisco, make sure to wear flowers in your hair, just keep the damn forskin where it belongs…

jewcowboy

April 28th, 2011
2:29 pm

Jay,

I’m reminded of this: http://tinyurl.com/d6wv7e

Peadawg

April 28th, 2011
2:29 pm

So much for all the Pro-Choice talk from the left.

ByteMe

April 28th, 2011
2:30 pm

Dawg, you’re a minute late :)

Jay

April 28th, 2011
2:31 pm

One word, cowboy:

Ouch.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 28th, 2011
2:31 pm

The ban would outlaw circumcision in the city on any male under 18 years old – even for religious reasons.

That’s about stupid. If you’re going to have one (which is the choice of the person or parents and nobody else), it’s best to do it before 18.

Midori

April 28th, 2011
2:34 pm

I thought males were circumcized for health reasons???

jm

April 28th, 2011
2:34 pm

There are just too many double entendre’s in that SF piece….

Doggone/GA

April 28th, 2011
2:35 pm

“I thought males were circumcized for health reasons???”

that’s the claim, but it’s doubtful – at best – that there’s any validity to it.

Paul

April 28th, 2011
2:36 pm

Jay

You had a lot of fun dreaming up that title, didn’t you?

Another area of common ground. Both the Lalaland Left and the FarfarfarRight have no problem on telling the ignorant masses what to do – as long as it’s for their own good, of course.

AmVet

Remember Political Foreskin? I wonder if he’s banned from blogging in SF?

DebbieDoRight

April 28th, 2011
2:37 pm

oops sorry – wrong post. :oops:

jewcowboy

April 28th, 2011
2:37 pm

Midori,

“I thought males were circumcized for health reasons???”

Pure aesthetics…turtlenecks were out of fashion when circumcision became all the rage. ;)

Tired of BS

April 28th, 2011
2:37 pm

Good grief…… ‘nuf said.

Paul

April 28th, 2011
2:38 pm

jewcowboy

The things you remember…..

oh, and, Welcome Back!

ByteMe

April 28th, 2011
2:38 pm

Circumcision joke time!

“Jews are the most optimistic people in the world. Who else would start by cutting off the first 1/4 inch?”

Mick

April 28th, 2011
2:38 pm

Actually, I believe it is a valid health concern, having that foreskin can result in bacterial infections especially if your not clean. Besides, I’ve heard that women are grossed out by foreskinned penises..

TaxPayer

April 28th, 2011
2:41 pm

I hear this may be but the first step. Next would come the banning of all circumcised from the city. Enforcement may prove revealing.

Peadawg

April 28th, 2011
2:41 pm

ByteMe,

Why are Jewish men circumcised? Because Jewish women won’t touch anything unless it’s 20 percent off!

jm

April 28th, 2011
2:41 pm

Ok, not to sound like a prude. But this topic seems like it could go in the wrong direction quickly….

Paul

April 28th, 2011
2:41 pm

Mick

Does this have anything to do with golfers yelling “FORE”?

stands for decibels

April 28th, 2011
2:42 pm

Welcome to the terrordome…

Circumcision ain’t no fiction
So called SF-MFs
Apology made to who ever pleases
Still won’t let me look like Jesus

Thulsa Doom

April 28th, 2011
2:42 pm

Isn’t it strange that these hard left liberals want to dictate to and tell men or parents of baby boys what they can do with their bodies- their foreskin? but they are the biggest defenders of what women can do with their bodies-abortion?

jm

April 28th, 2011
2:42 pm

how bout this?

Oil and Obama don’t mix
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53865.html

or

ExxonMobil hits back at Dems, renewables
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53877.html

AmVet

April 28th, 2011
2:42 pm

“Remember Political Foreskin?”

I do. A great sense of humor…And there was also a Poliprepuce version, as I recall.

Oh gawd, here come the smegma jokes…

BTW, good call, Jay. We needed something light.

Lots of animus here lately. Almost too much for my overly-sensitive self!

mm

April 28th, 2011
2:43 pm

Jay,

This article just doesn’t cut it.

Jay

April 28th, 2011
2:43 pm

and for that reason, jm, I appreciate the discretion that everyone has shown so far. But I do promise “a little bit of opinion about a whole lot of things,” so ….

Peadawg

April 28th, 2011
2:43 pm

“Yes, they are especially good for eyelid replacement. Unfortunately, the recipients turn out a bit cockeyed.”

jm

April 28th, 2011
2:43 pm

“Does this have anything to do with golfers yelling “FORE”?”

Only if their swing causes a big divot.

Mick

April 28th, 2011
2:44 pm

paul

Gives a whole new meaning to fore score…

Midori

April 28th, 2011
2:45 pm

Mick

April 28th, 2011
2:45 pm

jm

April 28th, 2011
2:45 pm

Jay 2:43 – I’m refraining from all kinds of potential circumcision / Birther / Obama jokes.

ByteMe

April 28th, 2011
2:45 pm

Peadawg, you’re on a roll!

Paul

April 28th, 2011
2:45 pm

jm

I think that’s the general idea…

Especially since no one really wants to ‘cut back’ on the chance for a one-liner and the Left doesn’t want to ‘reveal’ their control issues and no one wants to ’sharpen’ their arguments. But I can appreciate you’re wanting to ‘nip’ it in the bud -

Doggone/GA

April 28th, 2011
2:47 pm

“Besides, I’ve heard that women are grossed out by foreskinned penises”

My Mother never complained

Paul

April 28th, 2011
2:48 pm

Mick

“Gives a whole new meaning to fore score…”

Lincoln was Jewish? Kewl -

Peadawg

April 28th, 2011
2:48 pm

“A surgeon retires from his long career as a specialist in circumcision. Throughout his career he has saved hundreds of foreskins as momentos and now wishes to turn them into a souvenir. He takes his specimens to a leathersmith and asks him to make something out of them. A week later the surgeon returns and the leathersmith presents him with a wallet. ‘All those foreskins and you only made me a wallet?’ exclaims the surgeon. The leathersmith replies, ‘Yes, but if you stroke it, it becomes a briefcase.’”

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Thulsa Doom

April 28th, 2011
2:48 pm

Hard left okays and not okays

Abortion= okay How dare we tell women what they can do with their bodies

Circumcision= not okay We have every right to dicktate laws about a male’s foreskin

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 28th, 2011
2:49 pm

Doom…so tell me how many actual babies are making the decision?

Jay

April 28th, 2011
2:49 pm

When I worked at a smalltown paper, AmVet, our calendar/events guy was an older fellow, very buttoned down and prim. So one day the editor goes to him and informs him that we can no longer run calendar listings for a local band calling themselves Smegma.

Calendar Guy says why.

Editor says, well, maybe it’s best you looked it up for yourself.

Editor left, and the rest of watched out of the corner of our eye while Calendar Guy reached for a dictionary, thumbed back to the S’s and turned a most hilarious shade of red.

stands for decibels

April 28th, 2011
2:51 pm

I can’t really believe they’re doing this.

that was my first reaction.

Then I asked myself—how common a practice will circumcision be, say, 200 years from now? Will what was seen as a harmless referendum effort at the time, be viewed as a watershed event, the beginning of the end?

(or the end of ending the end?)

Mick

April 28th, 2011
2:51 pm

doom

Lighten up, this is only san fran we are talking about. I don’t sense an impending movement…

ByteMe

April 28th, 2011
2:53 pm

sfd: in 200 years, it’ll be done with lasers, Star Wars style.

jm

April 28th, 2011
2:55 pm

“We understand that it’s simply too irresistible for many politicians in times of high oil prices and high earnings — they feel they have to demonize our industry,” Ken Cohen, ExxonMobil’s vice president for public and government affairs, said in remarks prepared for an afternoon media call.

There has been “predictable political positioning but no action to actually help bring down energy prices,” Cohen said.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53877.html#ixzz1KqURmKs9

Halftrack

April 28th, 2011
2:55 pm

The people who support this measure are the real: racist, homophobes, anti-Semitic,
anti-Judeo-Christians and progressive intolerant of the rights of American citizens.

jm

April 28th, 2011
2:56 pm

mmhmmmm

“Over the last week as earnings season has approached, the Democratic Party leadership again talked about removing what they call $4 billion in oil industry subsidies,” Cohen said. “But what they really mean is that they want to increase our taxes by taking away long-standing deductions for our industry while leaving these same deductions in place for other sectors of the economy.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53877.html#ixzz1KqUevxzj

jm

April 28th, 2011
2:57 pm

“In fact, we’ve already spent more on alternative energy subsidies than we did on the Manhattan and Apollo projects combined. And what do we have to show for it? Unreliable and uneconomic energy sources that still can’t complete — even at today’s prices,” Cohen said.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53877.html#ixzz1KqUs3tKC

stands for decibels

April 28th, 2011
2:57 pm

we can no longer run calendar listings for a local band calling themselves Smegma.

You have no idea how you’ve just brightened my day, Jay.

ByteMe

April 28th, 2011
2:58 pm

But White Snake was ok??

Normal

April 28th, 2011
2:58 pm

Bailiff,
Whack his peepee…

jm

April 28th, 2011
2:59 pm

Byteme 2:51 – by robot mohels no doubt.

ByteMe

April 28th, 2011
3:00 pm

I’m putting my money on nano-mohels.

AmVet

April 28th, 2011
3:02 pm

That’s a helluva name for a band, JB!

Great story.

I learned the word many years ago. It was a favorite of one of my buddies in the service.

And yes, we were an irreverent, vulgar lot!

One of the very first songs lacking in any real subtlety…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09e_naTLVxo

Finn McCool

April 28th, 2011
3:02 pm

Is the anti-foreskin carrying flags and sparring with the pro-foreskin crowd?

Are they rioting?

Chanting: “CUT IT, CUT IT, CUT IT!”

Jay

April 28th, 2011
3:04 pm

Normal

April 28th, 2011
3:04 pm

There’s a third group out there chanting, in unison…WHACK IT, WHACK IT, WHACK IT!

Murph

April 28th, 2011
3:05 pm

“The people who support this measure are the real: racist, homophobes, anti-Semitic,anti-Judeo-Christians and progressive intolerant of the rights of American citizens.”

Wow….a little “snippy” aren’t we HT?

moonbat betty

April 28th, 2011
3:05 pm

In 200 years, men will no longer have pnises.

Mighty Righty

April 28th, 2011
3:05 pm

As one who was raised in California, I can honestly say I didn’t think it was possible for anything the Bay Area Lefties could do, would surprise me. I was wrong! That on top of OB’s birth certificate is beginning to shake my confidence.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 28th, 2011
3:06 pm

Well there is an exception in the proposal for the Royal Deluxe II

jm

April 28th, 2011
3:07 pm

Finn – maybe the circumcision bill can be appendaged to the deficit cutting legislation….

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 28th, 2011
3:07 pm

“a little bit of opinion about a whole lot of things,”

Given the topic, there’s a good line there. I’ll refrain, though.

Mighty Righty

April 28th, 2011
3:07 pm

Hey Moonbat, don’t look now but many on the left have already lost their balls.

Finn McCool

April 28th, 2011
3:09 pm

They will have to band scissors next. Then the people will rise up and declare “Dang this sanding it off idea really sucks. Ouch!”

ByteMe

April 28th, 2011
3:09 pm

In 200 years, men will no longer have pnises.

In 200 years, I’ll be too old to care :lol:

Jay

April 28th, 2011
3:09 pm

Now now, Mighty Righty.

After your previous confession of a loss of confidence, one might suspect you are overcompensating.

Not me, of course. Not me. But others might suspect such a thing because, well, you know how they are.

Thulsa Doom

April 28th, 2011
3:13 pm

Mick,

I’m just having fun with the inconsistency of these loons. On the one hand they are pro abortion because they feel its nobody’s business to tell a woman what she can do with her body. And then they want to make a law against male circumcision? Its not a big deal but it sure is some twisted thinking.

jconservative

April 28th, 2011
3:14 pm

All men on the presidential ballot in Georgia should have to prove their “circumciseness” – long form only!

jewcowboy

April 28th, 2011
3:17 pm

Howdy Paul,

How are things hangin’ ;)

jewcowboy

April 28th, 2011
3:20 pm

“On the one hand they are pro abortion”

I love how letting a woman choose what do with her body translates into being pro-abortion.

DebbieDoRight

April 28th, 2011
3:20 pm

Doom – Love letter (answer to your post) for you downstairs. Enjoy!

AmVet

April 28th, 2011
3:20 pm

JB, as Arte Johnson, used to say, “Verrrry interesting.”

I noticed they had an album entitled Nattering Naybobs of Negativity.

Good old Spiro would have been proud.

Speaking of cranky old f@rts, howz it hanging, halftrack?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DwfJTAKmRw

Michelle Mal's Kin

April 28th, 2011
3:22 pm

In 200 years, men will no longer have pnises.

I hope never to be reincarnated if that happens.

jewcowboy

April 28th, 2011
3:22 pm

Mighty Righty,

“don’t look now but many on the left have already lost their balls.”

C’mon now…everyone knows Democrats don’t have balls….and that’s what Republicans choose to think with.

AmVet

April 28th, 2011
3:22 pm

Twisted thinking is trying to equate some miniscule attempt at legal over-stepping with the nearly 40 year old law of the land supported by tens of millions of Americans…

Doggone/GA

April 28th, 2011
3:22 pm

“I love how letting a woman choose what do with her body translates into being pro-abortion”

Yep, it’s right up there with supporting the death penalty is pro-life

carlosgvv

April 28th, 2011
3:24 pm

I believe that circumcision is required in the Jewish religion. Is the motiviation for this some sort of anti-Semitism? If not, them what on Earth are those people smoking?

jewcowboy

April 28th, 2011
3:24 pm

“In 200 years, men will no longer have pnises.”

Whatever will we do with our idle hands?

Paul

April 28th, 2011
3:25 pm

Hey jewcowboy

“How are things hangin’ ”

’bout a quarter inch shorter than it should be…..

RW-(the original)

April 28th, 2011
3:25 pm

After all those years Polly Prepuce posted here at the AJC who knew he would ever get his own topic.

Aquagirl

April 28th, 2011
3:26 pm

Thulsa, I believe the reasoning is the same…nobody else should make decisions about your body, and presumably infants aren’t consulted about their circumcision. “Goo-goo” would probably not be accepted as informed consent.

Well, maybe it would some places, but I think this discussion is bad enough already.

Mighty Righty

April 28th, 2011
3:27 pm

Halftrack
You can’t find 12000 people in San Francisc with the characteristics you described.

Left wing management

April 28th, 2011
3:28 pm

Any of you Biblical scholars out there have any comments on the religious significance of this? Note that the non-canonical Gospel of Thomas, considered representative of the gnostic movement, takes a negative view of circumcision:

His disciples said to him, “Is circumcision useful or not?” He said to them, “If it were useful, their father would produce children already circumcised from their mother. Rather, the true circumcision in spirit has become profitable in every respect.”

So, considering that this is San Francisco, liberal bastion and arguably the ground zero of the world progressive New Age/Gnostic trends, it’s not surprising that this would first bubble to the surface there. Am I on the right track here?

Mighty Righty

April 28th, 2011
3:31 pm

Jay, didn’t mean offend the sensibilites of such an upstanding and sophisticated group.