The ’situational conservatives’ in the Georgia GOP

Georgia Republicans like to tout themselves as true economic conservatives.

They’re not. Not by a long shot.

The core of economic conservatism, also known as laissez faire economics, is faith in a free market. That school of thought holds that if the laws of supply and demand are given free rein, they will distribute goods and services as efficiently and productively as possible.

Under such a theory, government is forbidden from intervening or picking winners; it can’t play favorites. Its role is to create a level playing field upon which individuals and businesses alike can compete, with the most efficient and productive reaping the biggest rewards.

Georgia Republicans do honor that approach in some ways. To individuals in need of help, they preach a sternly libertarian philosophy of “pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.” They distrust government programs to aid the unemployed or provide health care to those unable to afford it, and in some cases they seek to dismantle public education in favor of private alternatives. On issues as varied as tort reform and workers rights to consumer protection, they instinctively seek to remove government from any role as mediator between business and consumer and between business and employee.

You’re on your own, in other words. “Laissez faire” — leave it alone.

However, state Republicans are notably unwilling to demand that same degree of discipline and self-reliance from businesses and corporations looking for assistance.

Take, for example, the passage of House Bill 234 in the recent legislative session. Under provisions added to the bill at the last minute and rammed through the process without real public debate, the legislation sets up a system to subsidize certain new tourist attractions.

Under the bill, a new resort or theme park that wins state favor would use the taxing power of the state to collect sales and use tax from its customers, just as other businesses do. But in this case, the business would get to keep all or most of that “tax money.” (Technically, it comes in the form of a refund, but the effect is the same.)

Over a 10-year period, the business could collect and keep taxes amounting to 25 percent of its investment. In other words, the law makes Georgia taxpayers a 25 percent partner in the investment, but with no ownership rights and no profit participation.

Why should government play such a role? As legislators declare in HB 234:

“The General Assembly finds and declares that the general welfare and material well-being of the citizens of this state depend in large measure upon the development of tourism in the state” and that “the inducement of the creation of tourism attraction projects is of paramount importance to the economy of the state.”

That is not economic conservatism. That is not laissez faire economics. It is government interfering in the marketplace by picking winners. Why should government subsidize a new water park at Lake Lanier, for example, that would interfere with existing investments at White Water?

Under the provisions of HB 234, the power to decide which businesses qualify for the break and which do not is invested entirely in the governor. He or she decides whether a company gets a huge tax break — a $100 million investment, for example, could get $25 million in tax breaks, but only if the governor smiles upon the company.

That’s an invitation to corruption, and sooner or later, you just know that invitation will be accepted by somebody.
It also demonstrates that economic conservatism, at least as practiced here in Georgia, applies only to those little people who can’t afford to buy lobbyists or politicians.

– Jay Bookman

377 comments Add your comment

USinUK

April 26th, 2011
7:49 am

Sociamalism!

USinUK

April 26th, 2011
7:49 am

woohoo!!! firsties!

USinUK

April 26th, 2011
7:54 am

oh, and Jay – you forgot to mention the GOP’s favorite bugaboo!!

MARTA = not worthy of subsidy despite the fact that it contributes to the economy by taking people to/from work and commerce every year

Theme park = totally worthy of subsidy because it will create jobs for a few hundred folks

oy.

poison pen

April 26th, 2011
7:56 am

Take, for example, the passage of House Bill 234 in the recent legislative session. Under provisions added to the bill at the last minute and rammed through the process without real public debate, the legislation sets up a system to subsidize certain new tourist attractions

I promise you if I’m elected you will see the Healthcare on c-span.
When a new bill is coming forward the public will have 5 days to read it and use your input.

Sounds like the Dems wrote this bill and not the Repubs, right Jay!

USinUK

April 26th, 2011
7:58 am

poisson pen – are you saying that health care was NOT debated on c-span? are you saying that the public did NOT have more than a week to read the bill???

if so, I believe that Newtron Gingricheimer would call that “revisionist history”

but, thanks for playing

poison pen

April 26th, 2011
8:02 am

I thought a Dem was Governor in 1971, that’s when MARTA was formed.

TaxPayer

April 26th, 2011
8:03 am

And what do the cons do when confronted with this reality. Ooh look, a ducky!

poison pen

April 26th, 2011
8:03 am

Usuck, yes that’s what I’m saying, which c-span did you watch it on. DUH!

USinUK

April 26th, 2011
8:03 am

Poisson pen – I’m talking about all the GOPpers who want to end subsidies for it NOW

poison pen

April 26th, 2011
8:04 am

Usuck, I thought your Queen Pelosi said that you would know what’s in it after it passed. DUH!

stands for decibels

April 26th, 2011
8:06 am

Yep, UnU, I can usually letting a hypocritical sleeping dog lie, but that concerning MARTA funding in light of this latest bill is so grotesque I would be all for kicking it in the nuts.

oh, and congrats to our PP, who took all of 9 minutes to play the “your Obamaistas didn’t put it all on the TeeVee like you promised which makes baby Jesus cry!” card, as I knew it would be.

ty webb

April 26th, 2011
8:06 am

Jay,
Despite the hypocrisy by the republicans, this seems like something you and other libs(progressives, for those too ashamed to use that moniker) could really get behind. Come on…It’s just government “investment”. According to you, that’s what Government is supposed to do.

Mick

April 26th, 2011
8:06 am

Good afternoon usinuk,

I hear there’s going to be a wedding over yonder? No invite for the trumpster? Just another day in paradise, no alligators in bathrooms allowed at this house…

USinUK

April 26th, 2011
8:06 am

poisson – if that’s what you’re saying, then you’re lying

CSPAN had extensive coverage of the debates

nice try, though

USinUK

April 26th, 2011
8:08 am

Mick – yep – 2 4-day weekends in a row = loads of people taking T-W-Th off this week … the commute was BLISS this morning!

BlahBlahBlah

April 26th, 2011
8:08 am

“They distrust government programs to aid the unemployed or provide health care to those unable to afford it, and in some cases they seek to dismantle public education in favor of private alternatives”

Because these programs have existed for nearly 50 years now, with billions spent, only to produce a flatline when it comes to results.

poison pen

April 26th, 2011
8:08 am

Usuck, at what point in time do we quit subsidizing everyone? We do this for the oil companies, the Farmers and many other companies, as I believe Doggone stated a few weeks ago, if a company can’t make it on their own then they should fail.

Normal

April 26th, 2011
8:08 am

stands for decibels

April 26th, 2011
8:09 am

CSPAN had extensive coverage of the debates

I think they imagined it was going to be some kind of game show, with Pat Sajak as the MC.

Normal

April 26th, 2011
8:09 am

Poison,
Did your mother teach you any good manners?

Haywood Jablome

April 26th, 2011
8:09 am

MARTA = making sure people are thoroughly beaten and robbed before getting to/from work.

Ride at your own peril. The “T” is for Thugs.

USinUK

April 26th, 2011
8:09 am

poisson – yay! milk at $15/gal for EVERYbody!

stands for decibels

April 26th, 2011
8:10 am

if a company can’t make it on their own then they should fail.

pp, name me one industrialized country with whom we compete that doesn’t subsidize mass transit.

USinUK

April 26th, 2011
8:10 am

Normal – 8:09 – no.

this has been another edition of simple answers to simple questions

poison pen

April 26th, 2011
8:11 am

USinUK

April 26th, 2011
8:06 am
poisson – if that’s what you’re saying, then you’re lying

CSPAN had extensive coverage of the debates

nice try, though

You are the liar, it wasn’t on c-span like your Obama promised, What are you smoking over there?

(ir)Rational

April 26th, 2011
8:12 am

I personally don’t think there should be subsidies for anything. However, having said that, I do understand giving subsidies to certain companies to attract them to the state. I don’t agree with the governor having the power to decide which companies get the subsidies though. That is an invitation for corruption, and I don’t think it is a matter of if/who will be the first, I think we can just assume that Deal will figure out a way to benefit himself from it. And then we can assume that every governor that comes after him will do the same. If you want to subsidize hotels or theme parks, or auto manufacturers or whomever, fine, but do it equally across the board, don’t pick and choose. I think the economic benefits of attracting the businesses offsets the lost revenue from the taxes that aren’t collected.

poison pen

April 26th, 2011
8:12 am

USinUK

April 26th, 2011
8:09 am
poisson – yay! milk at $15/gal for EVERYbody!

Like Granny, said yesterday, I’m responsible and prepared for it.

Mick

April 26th, 2011
8:12 am

Can’t we all just get along?

AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

April 26th, 2011
8:13 am

Georgia “Republicans like to tout themselves as true economic conservatives.

They’re not. Not by a long shot.”

And this can be said pretty much across the board.

In terms of social policy, foreign policy, the environment, law and order, domestic policy, etc, etc, etc…

Replace the word conservative with corporatist and you have what these spineless spendaholics truly are.

Historic American conservatives would puke if they could come back and see how these frauds have hijacked that word and sold off our sovereignty to the highest bidder…

TaxPayer

April 26th, 2011
8:13 am

Perhaps some Georgia businessman will build us an ark.

USinUK

April 26th, 2011
8:13 am

“MARTA = making sure people are thoroughly beaten and robbed before getting to/from work.”

ohgoodgod, I used to ride it all the time when I lived in town – ride it when I’m home visiting – NEVER saw anything bad/criminal

martin the calvinist

April 26th, 2011
8:14 am

Jay, remember this, most of those Republicans in the Georgia House are converted Democrats. I’d guess that maybe 25% of those Republicans are truly conservative. That’s my take on it anyway. I don’t think Government should be picking winners or losers in an economy. I also don’t think it’s the governments job to give help to those who are in need. I really believe that task should fall on private charities. No wonder the state and federal gov’t has such a hard time with deficits!

Normal

April 26th, 2011
8:15 am

Well now that I read the essay, this ought to be a short thread. It’s just showing what most of us already know…The Republican Party, at both State and local levels pander to the the money and not to “we the people”. There is no defense for this and it’s shameful.

Jay

April 26th, 2011
8:15 am

Ty, you can’t even bring yourself to criticize them for it, can you? Only by attributing it to the Dems can you bring yourself to do so.

And I see Poison is trying to wrestle the issue onto safe, familiar ground, where he has a pre-supplied rebuttal — “well well well … the Democrats didn’t let us see the health-care bill!”

In reality, there’s no comparison. In this bill, the amendment in question was quietly tacked onto another bill and brought before the Senate, where most senators weren’t told about the change and thought they were voting only on the original bill. They didn’t learn about it until hours after the bill had passed.

In the House, the amended version was originally rejected, until House Speaker David Ralston forced a vote to reconsider and then twisted enough arms to get it passed by the minimum number of votes.

USinUK

April 26th, 2011
8:15 am

poisson – “You are the liar, it wasn’t on c-span like your Obama promised, What are you smoking over there?”

oh, but it was – sorry, buddy – you’ve read too many blogs rather than actually, you know, educated yourself

(ir)Rational

April 26th, 2011
8:15 am

USinUK – did you not hear about the beatings that took place last week or the week before on MARTA? I’m not saying they are typical, but they do happen. It doesn’t feel safe to ride except during rush hour or the middle of the day anymore.

poison pen

April 26th, 2011
8:15 am

Stands, does that make it right?

We subsidize the oil companies and have been for around 50 years so I guess your ok with Exxon making 10 Billion dollars in 8 weeks this year, I hope your happy with $4 or $5 gas as a lot of poor people cannot afford it.

ty webb

April 26th, 2011
8:18 am

Give a man a fish....

April 26th, 2011
8:18 am

And he will eat for a day.
Teach a man to fish.
And he will never work again.

Republicans giving fish and discounted bumper-car rides at the cost of the taxpayer. Disingenuous commies!

poison pen

April 26th, 2011
8:19 am

Mick

April 26th, 2011
8:12 am
Can’t we all just get along?

Nah, let’s all get on the Marta tonight and sing Kumbuya.

(ir)Rational

April 26th, 2011
8:19 am

poison – Even with $5 a gallon gas, Exxon is only making about $0.35 a gallon roughly. The government is taking way more than that, and they’ve decided they aren’t getting enough. Especially when the sheeple won’t pay attention and will just blame Exxon or BP or Chevron or whomever for the gas prices going up when the new state gas tax kicks in on the 1st. Clever to do it on a Sunday when nobody will be watching the morning news.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 26th, 2011
8:19 am

Jay, are you defending conservatism, or just bashing Republicans?

I also noted Mile Luckovich displaying his new-found concern for corporate profits today.

I guess when you’re a Democrat and we’ve got $1.5 trillion deficits every year, $4 gas, three wars, and 9% unemployment, and a debt ceiling problem, this is what you do–distract.

Idiot Messiah: Failure.

Jay

April 26th, 2011
8:20 am

I do find it interesting that the MARTA case has drawn such attention, when we have road-rage killings — you know, actual downright murders — seemingly every two weeks or so.

One is accepted as yeah, that stuff happens. And one is considered a broad indictment of the safety and sanity of the particular transportation mode involved.

Good little liberal

April 26th, 2011
8:22 am

“It is government interfering in the marketplace by picking winners. ”

Bwa-ha-ha-ha. And this is the administration that has given unions preferential treatment at every turn. It is the POLICY of this administration to give companies preferential treatment.

GE?

Jay

April 26th, 2011
8:22 am

L’il Barry, do you have problems responding to something in which you have not yet been given regurgitated rebuttals?

poison pen

April 26th, 2011
8:23 am

Jay

April 26th, 2011
8:20 am
I do find it interesting that the MARTA case has drawn such attention, when we have road-rage killings — you know, actual downright murders — seemingly every two weeks or so.

One is accepted as yeah, that stuff happens. And one is considered a broad indictment of the safety and sanity of the particular transportation mode involved.

Try riding the public trans system in Detroit and let us know how it went.

Jay

April 26th, 2011
8:23 am

And Good Little Liberal joins the “talk about something else” crowd.

USinUK

April 26th, 2011
8:23 am

ty and (ir)Rational – as (ir) noted, that’s an exception, hardly the rule

that’s like saying that driving is insafe and you’ll never get in your car because of road rage

Finn McCool

April 26th, 2011
8:23 am

Why we still can’t let the bankers off the hook:
The banks traded for their own interests directly against the interests of their clients. Goldman harnessed its proprietary trading power to go short on the subprime market. It held a $13 billion short position at one point. At the same time, it aggressively marketed the very securities it believed would founder. It knowingly sold junk to its clients so Goldman could prosper on the other side of the trade.
http://www.slate.com/id/2292070/

Good little liberal

April 26th, 2011
8:23 am

USinUK

Are you really saying that all of the debate by our government was on C-Span and not just the polished, civil votes?

You have got to be kidding me.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 26th, 2011
8:24 am

Vesting the power to grant a taxbreak in the governor is just plain foolish.

Mary Elizabeth

April 26th, 2011
8:24 am

When Georgia’s legislators meet in August regarding redistricting, according to the AJC, Gov. Deal may have the taxing of Georgians brought up, also. Georgia’s seniors presently have a break in not having to pay income tax in Ga. on the first $35,000. of their retired income. This could change in August. I do not mind paying my fair share of taxes as a senior for the “common good”; however, I want to do so with my eyes wide open. When the legislators award subsidies and tax breaks to corporations, I don’t want to be used – as a humble retired public servant – to subsidize large money interests when raising my taxes would hurt me. I do not buy into the ideological thinking that – as a retired teacher and public servant – my contributions to Georgia’s long ranged economic health have been any less significant than that of big business.

The fact is that some of our state legislative leaders regularly attend Republican think tanks nationally and they are connected – in policy decisions in Georgia – to what are policy decisions being made in other Republican dominated states. (I state the example of Republicans, only because Republicans are in power in Ga. presently.) Most of these states’ leaders – in Georgia and otherwise – are trying to implement a definite ideological agenda that
supports corporate interests, wants smaller government basically when it matches a conservative social agenda such as dismantling the health care law, dismantling Medicare and Medicaid, and privatizing Social Security, and have tax policies that trickle up (and do not trickle down). The wealthy will reap the rewards, the middle and working classes, not so much.

(ir)Rational

April 26th, 2011
8:24 am

Jay – I think the difference between those two things can be found in the media. I typically watch the news every morning and don’t hear about that many (or really any/enough to register) road rage murders, but the story on MARTA was everywhere. I hear about murders every morning, but they don’t show them as being road rage related. I do remember some road rage violence, and it gets reported, but not usually to the same extent. That is just my perception, which could be flawed, or I could just be out of the room when they’re talking about these murders, but then I think I would see them in the AJC if I missed them on the TV.

ty webb

April 26th, 2011
8:25 am

Jay,
No I do consider them hypocrits. I also referred to them as “republicans” ,because “conservatives” they surely aren’t. Seems you are only opposed to the hypocrisy. My only question is why does that matter? Libs get what they want, “investment”. Seems you are only taking issue with republican talking out of both sides of their mouths, and are forgetting that their governing like democrats. You should be happy.

poison pen

April 26th, 2011
8:25 am

I’m waiting for Tucker to write about this today, Why the AJC keeps 2 people on board who write about the same topic almost everyday is still amazing to me.

Mick

April 26th, 2011
8:25 am

poison

I wasn’t referring to marta, just blogside manners, which you severely lack….

Jay

April 26th, 2011
8:25 am

Detroit, Poison?

What on earth does that have to do with anything? Detroit? What is it that you’re REALLY trying to say?

I ride MARTA almost daily and have done so for more than 20 years. I guarantee you that anybody who has driven the interstates that long to work has had many more close calls than I have had.

Good little liberal

April 26th, 2011
8:26 am

Ater two years of spending like a drunken sailor, Obama is now planning his campaign based on cutting back on spending.

Is anyone dumb enough to still believe anything this clown says?

larry

April 26th, 2011
8:27 am

I wonder what Ralston and Deal will get out of this bill? I also read that former Braves manager Bobby Cox and current Braves manager Fredi Gonzalas are supposed to be investors in a sports theme park up near Cartersville. They will be benefiting from this bill from what i have read . Is this true ?

Paul

April 26th, 2011
8:27 am

One of my refrains has been there’s really no such thing as a completely free market, only varying degrees of government manipulation (and yes, AmVet, we can insert ‘corporate’ there as well) and that people who argued there actually was were floating in the clouds of theory, separated from reality.

Based on this thread, I have to modify that.

The ‘there really is a really free market’ types are separated from both theory AND reality.

AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

April 26th, 2011
8:28 am

Haywood, just took my 85 year old mom down to the Airport on MARTA. The ride there and back could not have been better. Easy, inexpensive, no parking issues. Smarta.

But if you have the kind of karma that you refer to, here’s to hoping you have lots of problem in public!

And now that one of the 15 most corrupt US Congressmen, Crooked Deal, is back in Georgia again, he’s just continuing his legacy of bribes, payoffs, favoritism and taking care of his equally crooked cronies.

Well done, fake conservatives…

Jay

April 26th, 2011
8:28 am

No Ty. Liberals do want taxpayer investment in things such as schools, roads, transit systems, water systems — public infrastructure. Taking taxpayer money to invest in private property — with no ownership in return — is something else entirely.

Public money in public infrastructure, vs. public money in private enterprise. You do get the distinction, right?

Paul

April 26th, 2011
8:28 am

Welcome back, USinUK

Enjoying the calm of the wedding prep?

USinUK

April 26th, 2011
8:29 am

GLL – not ALL of the debate – just as there is never ALL of the debate on ANY legislation (including the budget) – but, unlike PP’s position, there WAS healthcare debate coverage on CSPAN.

poison pen

April 26th, 2011
8:29 am

Mary, well written, and you are correct. I don’t mind paying my fair share either, I also think that the 45% of households that don’t pay need to pay, then let’s see where we are.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 26th, 2011
8:29 am

Your column today reminds me of the religiophobe libbtards whining about what Jesus would do regarding handouts or the environment.

Jay, you don’t have standing to be criticizing how faithfully conservatives are to whatever you imagine their ideals to be. Your concerns will be duly noted.

Good little liberal

April 26th, 2011
8:30 am

Jay

Somebody has to talk about it. You sure are avoiding the obvious problems.

And speaking of road rage, remember the Roto Rooter shooting a couple of years ago. The man was at large and every single TV and radio station gave his complete description except that fact that he was Black.

Atlanta at its finest.

USinUK

April 26th, 2011
8:30 am

Hi Paul! yes, I am enjoying the calm of olks taking the 3-for-11 deal (taking 3 days off this week and getting 2 long weekends on either end) – the commute to work this morning was fantastic!

(ir)Rational

April 26th, 2011
8:30 am

Jay – that’s possible, I personally have been involved in two hit-and-runs on the interstate, as well as numerous other incidents, but the perception is that driving is safer than riding public transportation in Atlanta. I’m not saying it truly is, and I would rather sit on a bus for an hour than drive, at least on the bus I could read or something, it just isn’t convenient for me to do so. I don’t know, the reputation MARTA has for being inefficient and unsafe is what keeps ridership down. That is my opinion, but I think there are plenty of people like me that share in that opinion.

Finn McCool

April 26th, 2011
8:31 am

Conservatives don’t really believe in free markets do they? No, they want special treatment when it involves their own interests – tax breaks, subsidies.

But, ohh, they will rail against socialism all day long because they really don’t understand the definition.

poison pen

April 26th, 2011
8:31 am

US, no matter how many times you say it, it still won’t be true. Obama promised it 8 times and it never happened. Maybe c-span talked about it for 30 minutes but it wasn’t the way Obama promised it and you know that.

Haywood Jablome

April 26th, 2011
8:32 am

But at least private out-sourcing instead of using the incompetent government workers is such a huge success – especially for fixing the streets.

Government can’t do nothing right. Private enterprise always does stuff better. Just axe a republican.

http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/audit-shows-why-atlanta-924884.html?cxtype=rss_news

stands for decibels

April 26th, 2011
8:32 am

At the risk of feeding the strays…

Stands, does that make it right?

Given the immense economic benefit a metro area enjoys from a comprehensive transit system, absolutely.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ohgoodgod, I used to ride it all the time when I lived in town

Someone with a bit more free time than I have at the moment might want to research the passenger-mile mortality rates of Atlanta metro car commuters versus those of MARTA riders.

USinUK

April 26th, 2011
8:32 am

Poisson – “Maybe c-span talked about it for 30 minutes”

:lol:

nope. you really don’t know what you’re talking about.

thanks for the affirmation

Call it like it is

April 26th, 2011
8:33 am

Now, I just want to make sure I’m reading this right Jay. Your upset because the Rep’s are giving tax breaks to companies that might bring more money into the state and more jobs. Interesting concept. I wonder if it has ever been done before by anyone else. “BMW plant in South Carolina, Benz plant in Alabama.” I mean you have really turned on a light for me here. States giving money to business’s to draw in jobs and more money. So you say the democrats have never done this just the Republicans…….Hmmmmmmmm

larry

April 26th, 2011
8:34 am

And as far as MARTA goes, i ride it every time i go downtown or to a Braves game. I have had no problems and i enjoy the ride.

But i guess we can not subsidize it because it would not benefit any politicians.

poison pen

April 26th, 2011
8:34 am

Finn, does that include the 1,100 groups and companies that got passes on Obamacare for a few years?

AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

April 26th, 2011
8:34 am

“I’m waiting for Tucker to write about this today, Why the AJC keeps 2 people on board who write about the same topic almost everyday is still amazing to me.”

Does anyone else see the unintended irony in this?

“…45% of households that don’t pay…”

And yes, I have constantly read, right on this forum, where the hyper-informed among the right wing, who’s proper outrage is NOT over the very poor doing so, but the nearly 5 million households that make somewhere between $50,000 and more than $1 million. The vast majority of that group — 4.3 million — make between $50,000 and $100,000. Another 485,000 make between $100,000 and $500,000. And the remaining 18,000 make $500,000 or more.

Those are the parasites that you cons are endlessly bitching about the MOST, right?

Finn McCool

April 26th, 2011
8:34 am

You do get the distinction, right?

You really want their answer on that one?

Good little liberal

April 26th, 2011
8:34 am

USinUK

Do you believe that all of the important parts of the debate were aired? The entire thing smelled to high heaven. It still does with companies and states being allowed to opt out. Can I opt out?

Paul

April 26th, 2011
8:35 am

It IS interesting how the ‘economic conservative’ crowd parrots the ‘government bad, business good’ lines (when they aren’t saying ‘but what about Obama?).

I’ve wondered why that is. I can only think they ignore large corporations, shareholder-owned companies and the like and instead hold a view of the Koch brothers or some others (maybe even Gates, but he’s kinda liberal) and think “that’s the dream… that could be me someday…. it’d be almost all mine and ain’t no one gonna take it from me.”

Leastwise, that’s the only thing that seems to make sense in such a nonsensical view of the world.

stands for decibels

April 26th, 2011
8:36 am

Do you believe that all of the important parts of the debate were aired?

He used the special parts to make his robot friends.

later, kids.

poison pen

April 26th, 2011
8:36 am

Usuck, let us know the dates if you are so sure of yourself. I would but because it wasn’t on tv I can’t.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 26th, 2011
8:37 am

Jay, since you seem to need help with column ideas lately, how about one on Obama’s opposition to gay “marriage” and how that is manifested in his official actions?

(ir)Rational

April 26th, 2011
8:37 am

Call it like it is – Of course the Democrats have never done anything like that. Or maybe they have, but I don’t think that is the point. And Jay, for once I agree with what you’ve said. The point is, that these so called Republicans, and I don’t believe they actually are, are doing something that their principles and constituents should be against. It isn’t the government’s job to pick the winners and losers in the private sector. But that is what this bill has given the governor the power to do. If Deal wasn’t completely corrupt, he would line item veto that provision out of the bill, and if that wasn’t possible veto the entire bill and force them to start over in August. But we all know that won’t happen.

USinUK

April 26th, 2011
8:38 am

GLL – hey, I still think that it should be a single-payer system, so I don’t like it much, either – just for different reasons.

if you don’t realize by now that the “important parts” of EVERY bill happen behind closed doors, then I won’t tell you what I know about Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy

poison pen

April 26th, 2011
8:38 am

Stands, As Pelosi said, we will know what was in it after it will pass, what part of that do you and Usuck not understand.

I’m outta here, it’s like trying to talk to trees.

Corey

April 26th, 2011
8:40 am

Poison Pen, do you have any idea of the number of committees and subcommittees that were involved in the healthcare overhaul debate? Can you imagine the logistical nightmare this would have presented to any media outlet rushing to and from this and that committee’s debate?

Peadawg

April 26th, 2011
8:40 am

“Now, I just want to make sure I’m reading this right Jay. Your upset because the Rep’s are giving tax breaks to companies that might bring more money into the state and more jobs. Interesting concept.”

My thinking is Jay is against it because Republicans are doing it. I think he’d be just peachy with it if Governor Barnes was in charge and doing this.

Normal

April 26th, 2011
8:40 am

” it’s like trying to talk to trees.”

You really should try hugging them…such warm fuzzies, don’t cha know…

Paul

April 26th, 2011
8:41 am

morning, larry

What will Ralston and Deal get out of this?

Haven’t followed them like Georgians have, but an educated guess is this, in one form or another:

http://tinyurl.com/3lzocfd

MiltonMan

April 26th, 2011
8:41 am

Comparable to Obozo picking winners (waivers from his ObamaCare) & losers (those who are forced to buy into the program).

Jay, the guy you favored as governor – good ‘ole Rat Roy Barnes used toll money from 400 to purchase Atlantic Station. Where was your concern then? How about the Rat & his grand ‘ole Northern Arc proposal that forced home owners to sell their houses to the state?

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 26th, 2011
8:42 am

Paul
April 26th, 2011
8:35 am

I’ve wondered why that is.
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Perhaps it’s a recognition of the fact that it is free enterprise and capitalism that made America great, not big government.

Don’t you sometimes claim to be a free market guy? I wonder why that is.

larry

April 26th, 2011
8:43 am

When did Mercedes Benz and BMW become tourist attractions ?

These tax breaks are for developers and investors who build tourist attractions.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 26th, 2011
8:44 am

AmVet — I agree the irony is hilarious.

Talking to trees?…. I thought I felt the hot air blowing through the leaves.

AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

April 26th, 2011
8:46 am

As for talking to trees, one cannot do so when they use bush talk!

OK, off to be both a capitalist AND socialist today. (This gets SO confusing)

Gonna make some dough and then go see the federally run incompetents down at the VA Hospital.

Be good to them, but as stands cautions, do NOT feed the strays…

larry

April 26th, 2011
8:46 am

Paul

April 26th, 2011
8:41 am

LOL! I was just thinking that the might corrupt one (Deal) will try to turn that failed Bass Pro Shops store for sell up the road from me into a tourist attraction.

Hey , Ladies and Gents. This is what Wilder Outdoors looks like. Oooooooo, look at that fake bear!!

Paul

April 26th, 2011
8:47 am

lil

I believe I’ve made the distinction there are no truly free markets. The rest is finding a proper balance.

Government didn’t make America great?

If it wasn’t for big government, America would not be here (expansion west to cover most of the continent, then using the government to fight two big, big wars to preserve America).

Mighty Righty

April 26th, 2011
8:48 am

I almost agree. States have been giving tax subsidies to attract business and employment for its’ citizens for as long as I can remember. This is done by both Republican and Democrat governors. However, government must be careful to not favor one business over another. In this case, it seems to me the state of Georgia would not be competing with another state for a tourist attraction but I would have to know more about what choices the business has and what are the economic impact of building or not building the facility. A few years ago, a retailor who also did a large mail order business wanted locate to Georgia. The deal was contingent upon the State and County waving sales tax on the mail order portion of sales. The State/County refused to exempt mail order sales from the tax. The company, instead built their store in Chattanooga. The loss for Georgia was 200 jobs and the revenue those employees would have generated for the state as well as the sales tax on local sales. That decision by the State/County was plain stupid. So, before being too critical about some of these decisions, all of the facts surrounding the decision must be known.

Good little liberal

April 26th, 2011
8:49 am

USinUK

So what Obama was promising was just what always happens. Hmmm. Sounds sort of dishonest to me.

A lot of smart, good people like you still believe in this guy. First his entire original platform was insulting to anyone with an IQ above 80 and now he is insisting that he plans to save the country by cutting spending in his second term. Why didn’t he just not spend like crazy during his first term?

It’s not that he is incompetent. It’s not that he has all the leadership ability of a college professor (which is none) It’s that so many people still believe the guy.

Stuff like this: Obama Picks Jeffrey Immelt, GE CEO, To Run New Jobs-Focused Panel As GE Sends Jobs Overseas, Pays Little In Taxes

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/21/obama-picks-jeffrey-immel-ge-jobs-overseas_n_812502.html

It’s so obvious, it’s on the Huffington Post.

For God’s sake. Support another democrat. This guy is killing us.

Have a good day. Late night last night and a long day ahead of me today. Miles to go before I sleep, and miles to go before I sleep.