Is a Mitch Daniels candidacy being ‘Trumped’?
The announcement by Haley Barbour that he will not seek the 2012 GOP presidential nomination was a bit of a disappointment, and I mean that seriously.
No, I don’t think Barbour would have made a good president, and I doubt he would even have been a top contender for the nomination. But he did have — how should I put this? — an appreciation for basic reality and seriousness that too many other candidates in the GOP field do not.
At one point in their careers, the same could have been said of Tim Pawlenty and Mitt Romney, but since those two former governors volunteered for Extreme Makeover, Political Edition, they’ve emerged almost unrecognizable and have repudiated their former selves. I’m not sure who they are anymore, and I’m not sure they know who they are.
The only remaining potential candidate with a firm grounding in this factual universe is Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels. While I wouldn’t vote for him against President Obama, I could certainly envision Daniels as president without fearing for the future of my country. And I can’t say that about the rest of the GOP field.
So I’m hoping Daniels runs, both for the good of the Republican Party and for the country, but he clearly has some misgivings. (He’s expected to announce his decision in the next week or two). I have to wonder whether Daniels’ misgivings might have increased in the last few weeks as he watched the clownish Donald Trump rise rapidly in the GOP polls.
Someone such as Daniels would be the anti-Trump, presumably unwilling to pander to the birtherism and Islamaphobia rampant on the right. Given the current environment, he has reason to question just how much of a market there might be for what he has to offer.
– Jay Bookman
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arnold
April 26th, 2011
2:51 pm
I want Trump and Palin.
TaxPayer
April 26th, 2011
2:56 pm
My money’s on another McCain run. His new hail mary will be to offer Trump the VP slot.
BULLSEYE
April 26th, 2011
3:01 pm
Boss Hog and Palin
Logical Dude
April 26th, 2011
3:06 pm
Who’s Mitch Daniel?
Granny Godzilla
April 26th, 2011
3:07 pm
If Mitch Daniels really wants to be President he will not run until 2016.
Considering the Bush budgets and economic wreckage left behind, as former Bush budget director – Mr. Daniels has some “splainin” to do.
Logical Dude
April 26th, 2011
3:08 pm
Ah, Governor of Indiana. What about Jindal?
Ndependent
April 26th, 2011
3:08 pm
Boss Hog and Palin…
and Roscoe P. Coletrain as AG
Logical Dude
April 26th, 2011
3:09 pm
Unfortunately, Name recognition is needed right now, and he doesn’t have it, and Trump does.
All he needs to do is say something REALLY stupid and he’ll get the name recognition he’s looking for.
Peadawg
April 26th, 2011
3:10 pm
Damn Jay…kinda hoping you’d do an opinion piece on what Trump said about Obama not being suited for Ivy League. Funny stuff.
Logical Dude
April 26th, 2011
3:11 pm
Jay: The only remaining potential candidate with a firm grounding in this factual universe is Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels
Me: All he needs to do is say something REALLY stupid
Ooops, then he won’t be grounded in the factual universe anymore. I guess you just can’t win if you’re a very good moderate Republican who wants to do what’s best for the country!
USMC
April 26th, 2011
3:12 pm
“The only remaining potential candidate with a firm grounding in this factual universe is Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels.”–Jay Bookman
…Says the Leftwing Liberal who “hates” Republicans and Conservatives; just read his blog.
Mick
April 26th, 2011
3:13 pm
I guess someone who was busted with acid and weed in college can’t be all that bad, but then…bush’s budget director? Achilles heel….
Jay
April 26th, 2011
3:14 pm
Peadawg, nobody who thinks a hair arrangement like that is attractive can be taken seriously as a judge of another person’s intelligence.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 26th, 2011
3:15 pm
Right now, I don’t want anybody to run. It’s too damned early to worry about the presidential election. I want our pols focused on governing through this year before worrying about next year. That’s our problem. We’re so focused on winning elections and getting “mandates through majorities” that we’re not even focused on doing what we’re supposed to do between elections.
You can’t blame the media and/or politicians without looking inside first. If we didn’t eat this sh*t sandwich whenever it’s served, they would quit serving it.
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
April 26th, 2011
3:16 pm
Moderate Republican?
Is that like Jumbo shrimp?
Or plastic glasses?
Two words have taken care of moderate Republicans (at least in any national leadership position) – Purity Test.
Peadawg
April 26th, 2011
3:16 pm
“Peadawg, nobody who thinks a hair arrangement like that is attractive can be taken seriously as a judge of another person’s intelligence.”
Nice…..
Bosch
April 26th, 2011
3:22 pm
presumably unwilling to pander to the birtherism and Islamaphobia rampant on the right.
I don’t know about that, Jay — it seems that have to be a given in the GOP land of all things bat shyte crazy. I used to think McCain was normal until he ran.
TaxPayer
April 26th, 2011
3:24 pm
Actually, what we need are even longer election cycles because they really work at redistributing some of the wealth and we need all the jobs we can get.
USMC
April 26th, 2011
3:24 pm
“Peadawg, nobody who thinks a hair arrangement like that is attractive can be taken seriously as a judge of another person’s intelligence.”
I will take proven success, leadership, and intellect over your Socialist, Lackey “Beauty” Contestant every day of the week.
We are witnessing the negative effects of no experience in the White House presently and EVERYONE knows it. (even Liberals, deep down, know how weak Obama is)
Obama is a “thin suit” protected by the “lame-stream” media & barking seal ideologues on local newspaper blogs, but he will lose in 2012; “pretty looks” and all.
Road Scholar
April 26th, 2011
3:26 pm
If the wind blows in a different direction, Trump would have to shift his position just to stand up! The hair will be like a sail!
McCain is done! The vacumn is there with no serious Repub candidadtes at this time. Please tell the American press the election does not start until next year! Maybe they’ll chase after Kadafy, Lohan, or some other slug!
Jay
April 26th, 2011
3:26 pm
Bosch, thus that word “presumably”
Kamchak
April 26th, 2011
3:27 pm
We are witnessing the negative effects of no experience in the White House presently and EVERYONE knows it.
You don’t have my permission to speak on my behalf, sport.
jm
April 26th, 2011
3:27 pm
No. Barbour getting out puts the odds of Daniels in going way up.
Trump will be a great foil for Daniels if Trump actually runs.
Jay
April 26th, 2011
3:28 pm
I hope you’re right, jm.
Bosch
April 26th, 2011
3:28 pm
“I will take proven success, leadership, and intellect (Obama) over your Socialist, Lackey “Beauty” Contestant (Trump) every day of the week.
Me too.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jay,
No doubt.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 26th, 2011
3:29 pm
Maybe this is why no “Moderate” Republican has thrown or will throw their hat into the ring:
Obama revealed: A moderate Republican
If you put aside the emergency measures required by the financial crisis, three major policy ideas have dominated American politics in recent years: a plan that uses an individual mandate and tax subsidies to achieve near-universal health care; a cap-and-trade plan that attempts to raise the prices of environmental pollutants to better account for their costs; and bringing tax rates up from their Bush-era lows as part of a bid to reduce the deficit. In each case, the position that Obama and the Democrats have staked out is the very position that moderate Republicans have staked out before.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-revealed-a-moderate-republican/2011/04/25/AFPrGfkE_story.html
I’ve always had the opinion that the political center is fixed, and the extremes stretch farther and farther out, but maybe I’ve been wrong. Either that, or the fact that what’s considered “Liberal” today was Center-Right 20 years ago shows why our political system is so far out of balance today.
TnGelding
April 26th, 2011
3:29 pm
Not much demand for that sentiment among the GOP faithful. But he’s tainted by his dealings in the Bush administation that led to what were considered huge deficits then. So I’m not sure he understands fully how our economy is supposed to work and what we need to do to fix it.
jm
April 26th, 2011
3:29 pm
And also, everyone will have to go through a dance to win. Daniels may even succumb some too, though that is less likely.
I’d take Romney or Pawlenty as well, they’re just fine, sane, level headed people having to contend with the gauntlet of the primaries (which Obama did too, think of all the BS he spewed out during the primaries).
Road Scholar
April 26th, 2011
3:30 pm
USMC: “We are witnessing the negative effects of no experience in the White House …”
So, who do you propose to run in each party? Repubs: Cheney? Quayle? Jeb Bush (he was in the white house, but …)?
Demos: Clinton (pick one)?
jm
April 26th, 2011
3:31 pm
Current Politico.com thinking is the only person able to round up most of the Barbour $, which was pragmatist wonky big donor money, is Daniels.
Bosch
April 26th, 2011
3:31 pm
“Obama revealed: A moderate Republican”
SoCo,
That’s what I’ve always seen him as.
“Either that, or the fact that what’s considered “Liberal” today was Center-Right 20 years ago shows why our political system is so far out of balance today.”
Yeap, I used to be “the conservative” amongst my friends. Go figure that.
Kamchak's Squrriel
April 26th, 2011
3:32 pm
Where you been lately? I’ve missed you.
Granny Godzilla
April 26th, 2011
3:32 pm
“We are witnessing the negative effects of no experience in the White House presently and EVERYONE knows it”
Ah, Nope
So much for that whole “honor” code.
Kamchak's Squrriel
April 26th, 2011
3:33 pm
“Obama revealed: A moderate Republican”
Yup and Hannity and Rush are moderate Democrats.
Bosch
April 26th, 2011
3:34 pm
No, Mr. Squirrel, they are just nuts.
straitroad
April 26th, 2011
3:34 pm
Jay,
You seem like a nice guy but I can’t understand how you got to where you are politically and how you apply logic on a daily basis. I don’t mean that as a slam, I just cannot see how anyone with any sense at all could support Obama as our president. I started out voting for democrats but changed once I became more educated and wiser. What is it that makes Obama seem like a competent leader to you?
Peadawg
April 26th, 2011
3:34 pm
“Obama revealed: A moderate Republican”
Yup and Hannity and Rush are moderate Democrats.”
TnGelding
April 26th, 2011
3:35 pm
Let’s strip the presidency of some of the perks NOW! And inject a little realism into what to expect from a mere human.
Bosch
April 26th, 2011
3:37 pm
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/cern-physics-lab-downplays-925235.html
Well, hell, if they’d just read Dan Brown’s book, they’d have saved themselves alot of trouble.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 26th, 2011
3:38 pm
Road Scholar
I’ve always thought that the only person with experience going into the office of the president was either a sitting president or vp getting elected as president. Other than that, nobody has experience in the White House as president.
Bosch
That’s why I don’t see myself as a fit for either party. The parameters have shifted so much today, that I don’t think I should have to change who I am just to belong. If either party wants me, they should adapt to suit me, and not the other way around. The current GOP doesn’t appear to even desire that type of adaptability as moderates are labeled RINO and shunned. The Democratic Party appears to be a better fit in this day and time, but I refuse to join as I wish to remain independent.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 26th, 2011
3:39 pm
No, Mr. Squirrel, they are just nuts.
Billybob
April 26th, 2011
3:41 pm
To all you people out there that are not as smart as me(ie. republicans),
Your leading candidates don’t know themselves at all and I don’t agree with anything you say. Therefore, you guys would be lucky to have a guy like Mitch Daniels whom I completely disagree with and whom I would never vote for, but whom I think is at least not a racist(like most other republicans are). Yours truly………………jay bookman
‘just thought i would give the cliff notes’ and point out that in 2012 people will not let the media pick out the conservatives’ candidate for President……but keep trying bookman, you are doing great!
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
3:41 pm
I made the mistake of listening to Trump on Anderson Cooper last p.m. That fellow is crazy and a clear and present danger if anyone can take him seriously. Barbour? Say what you will, he ain’t nobody’s fool and he knows that he’s worth a lot more as a kingmaker. Not to mention, he’s Ole Greenwood’s descendent by more than blood. He knows how to cut a deal to benefit himself and his cronies…
Granny Godzilla
April 26th, 2011
3:43 pm
Daniels may be a problem for some on the right –
he is Syrian-American.
Billy
April 26th, 2011
3:43 pm
Obama = Jimmy Carter !!!!!
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
3:43 pm
Obama…a moderate Republican…
Yep. Another reason I didn’t vote for him…
Bosch
April 26th, 2011
3:44 pm
Hi ya’ josef! How are things in your world?
max
April 26th, 2011
3:45 pm
It’s amazing how clownish liberals will no real grasp of GOP politics continue to spout off predictions and ignorant statements about things they know nothing about.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
3:45 pm
Granny
Oh, I doubt that…Arab Americans in the main are and have been in the conservative corner…
Bosch
April 26th, 2011
3:45 pm
And HI MRS. G!!! [hands waving]
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 26th, 2011
3:45 pm
Peadawg, nobody who thinks a hair arrangement like that is attractive can be taken seriously as a judge of another person’s intelligence.
Jay, I dont’ know about that. I think Donald’s assessment of Reagan as a Con Man who couldn’t deliver the goods was a pretty on spot.
I guess it goes to show…. you can fool some of the people some of the times, but you can really fool conservatives all of the time.
Road Scholar
April 26th, 2011
3:45 pm
Southern Comfort: I share your opinion (and will drink to that) but we don’t always have that luxury. The only other choices are a long term senator, a retired general, or a strong middle of the road governor. I still think that a President builds strength and “power” from the people he selects for his cabinent.
jm
April 26th, 2011
3:45 pm
Daniels is the best hope for someone who can make this country work again….
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
April 26th, 2011
3:45 pm
“I started out voting for democrats but changed once I became more educated and wiser.”
straitroad, same here.
Now, given the opportunity, I will try to find good choices among Independents, Greens, Libertarians, etc.
But with a few exceptions, I will not vote for Republicans. Not in this abysmal, disastrous state that that hijacked party is in.
Sadly, to me, the once Grand Old Party is still the worst of the worst. And has been since Reagan.
And apparently will be until most of these fake conservatives and party apparatchiks die off.
Then perhaps we will get some real conservative choices and once again the GOP will be a good option. (BTW, Dr. Paul is a tiny sliver of light in a very dark mess.)
It’s good to have a dream!
williamuga1
April 26th, 2011
3:45 pm
Jay, I am shocked, shocked,shocked that you would not vote for a
Rebublican. Obama has made such a wonderful President. Just think about all that hope and change. I guess that he just needs $ more years to fully get it done.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
3:46 pm
Bosch…
Much as they are in Miz B’s…tomorrow starts our tour of the Fifth Circle of Dante’s Inferno!
Billybob
April 26th, 2011
3:46 pm
you fishing granny?
Bosch
April 26th, 2011
3:48 pm
josef,
Reason I asked — I avoid the OB at all costs during these three weeks. Eeeek.
jm
April 26th, 2011
3:48 pm
As people say, when voters are unhappy, they vote against the most outstanding trait of their current elected official. Well, Obama the pragmatist has really been proven to be Obama the idealist without any real governing and business experience.
Mitch Daniels is the real opposite of Obama. A guy who has run a state very well over the last 8 years, adhering to conservative economic principles. He has real Federal government experience, and he has prior business experience and understands how economics, the free market, the global economy, and business works.
You want a guy who can get our economy on the right track? Daniels is that guy. If he fails, then it means we’re toast because it suggests that the inertia and built in Federal spending mechanisms are unstoppable.
Granny Godzilla
April 26th, 2011
3:48 pm
Hi Bosch
Waving back at ya’.
Hope all is well with you and yours.
josef nix
the problem is not the conservative corner….it’s the radical back porch…
Road Scholar
April 26th, 2011
3:48 pm
Max; At least liberals limit themselves to one topic to allegedly be stupid about! I mean since we are handing out insults!
Sothern Comfort: Would you consider yourself a financially conservative moderate?
getalife
April 26th, 2011
3:49 pm
Keep yelling at them for voting to end Medicare cons.
Stand up.
Bosch
April 26th, 2011
3:49 pm
“Just think about all that hope and change”
This is just an observation of mine, but what is it with the wingnuts and their obsession with that campaign slogan?
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
3:50 pm
GG
“the problem is not the conservative corner….it’s the radical back porch…”
Yep. There is that….
Joe Cool
April 26th, 2011
3:51 pm
Whats going to happen for 2012 is that NO Republicans will run!
They are really testing the waters for 2016! They dont want to run up against a 1 billion dollar machine!
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 26th, 2011
3:51 pm
I still think that a President builds strength and “power” from the people he selects for his cabinent.
I think that’s only part of it, but I agree with you. I also keep an eye on “advisors” as they are the one’s who are close to the decision making too. I didn’t care for picks that the previous two presidents made in some areas.
For those who didn’t read the Ezra Klein post I linked to, it has a rather interesting theory, and one that I agree with, on why the parties have shifted to the right.
Bosch
April 26th, 2011
3:52 pm
For instance, I just looked up Bush’s campaign slogan (I had to because it just didn’t stick in my head):
Yes! America Can!!
My, oh my, what we could have done with that back in the day. The opportunities we missed….sigh….
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 26th, 2011
3:53 pm
Would you consider yourself a financially conservative moderate?
For the most part, yes. There are exceptions, as with anything, but I don’t like to mess around or play games with financial matters.
USMC
April 26th, 2011
3:53 pm
“The only remaining potential candidate with a firm grounding in this factual universe is Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels.”–Jay Bookman
This sounds like the same “Love Affair” that Jay Bookman and the other Leftwing Liberals had with John McCain back in 2000 & 2004.
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
3:55 pm
“While I wouldn’t vote for him against President Obama, I could certainly envision Daniels as president without fearing for the future of my country.”
As opposed to the rest of us who already fear for the future of this country based on the least qualified person to ever sit in the Oval Office – President Hope & Punt ™.
Mighty Righty
April 26th, 2011
3:55 pm
I don’t care for any of the Republicans but I will vote with the majority in 2012 for any over the empty suit now residing in the White House.
wet wiccan
April 26th, 2011
3:56 pm
This is off topic, but I thought this was kind of funny and wanted to share (smile)
http://strengthensocialsecurity.org/dont-make-us-work-til-we-die
Joe Cool
April 26th, 2011
3:56 pm
Trump is a RINO.
Guess he didnt tell you guys he gave Rhaum $50,000 for his mayors bid.
OPPS!
USMC
April 26th, 2011
3:56 pm
“Daniels is the best hope for someone who can make this country work again….”
Not that I am against Daniels, but we heard the same thing about Obama/ Hope & Change, etc.
Road Scholar
April 26th, 2011
3:56 pm
USMC: 2000 yes, 2004 yes, 2008 no!
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
3:57 pm
“This is just an observation of mine, but what is it with the wingnuts and their obsession with that campaign slogan?”
Because Hope is not a strategy, and Change isn’t always good?
Road Scholar
April 26th, 2011
3:57 pm
Southern Comfort: Ditto
DublDawg
April 26th, 2011
3:58 pm
Imagine that, Bookman is not going to vote for a more qualified Republican over Obama. Astonishing!
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
3:59 pm
“Guess he didnt tell you guys he gave Rham $50,000 for his mayors bid.”
No RINO. Rahm’s brother is Trump’s agent.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
April 26th, 2011
3:59 pm
“While I wouldn’t vote for him against President Obama, I could certainly envision Daniels as president without fearing for the future of my country. And I can’t say that about the rest of the GOP field.”
Jay will, however, vote for Obama without fearing for the future of the country. His motto must be: Ask not what Obama can do for you, ask instead what you can do for Obama. Albeit limited in span of influence, Jay has certainly been doing the best he can for his role model.
USMC
April 26th, 2011
4:00 pm
“This is just an observation of mine, but what is it with the wingnuts and their obsession with that campaign slogan?”
I totally agree, the Liberal wingnuts came out of the closet from all over to vote for Hope and change without knowing what “Hope and Change” was…
Unbelievable!
Road Scholar
April 26th, 2011
4:00 pm
Dubl: Define “a more qualified Republican ” .
jm
April 26th, 2011
4:01 pm
I’d love to see Daniels go toe to toe with Donald Trump. He’d put the guy in his place.
BMDPD
April 26th, 2011
4:02 pm
Bosch, per our conversation the other day. Waaay off topic.
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/04/internal_revenue_service_faile.html
jm
April 26th, 2011
4:03 pm
USMC 3:56 – all style, no substance behind the veneer.
USMC
April 26th, 2011
4:04 pm
“I don’t care for any of the Republicans but I will vote with the majority in 2012 for any over the empty suit now residing in the White House.”-Mighty Whitey
BINGO! That is the answer to the $64,000 question…
It won’t matter who the Republican candidate is… Obama is TOAST and will LOSE regardless. They will desperately put Hillary Clinton in as VP and still LOSE. Tick Tock, Tick Tock…
Steve
April 26th, 2011
4:05 pm
Jay,
Obama has no business experience…9 months experience in the Senate and his claim to fame was being “a community organizer”.
Most Walmart Greeters have better experience than the current knucklehead.
getalife
April 26th, 2011
4:07 pm
The President has almost one term of experience.
He will not end Medicare.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
4:08 pm
jm
Put him in his place…what IS his place…?
Joe Cool
April 26th, 2011
4:08 pm
Thats the best you got “steve”
Even after all you said, The Muslim, Marxist, Kenyan, Indonesian, Illegal Alien still won. How you like them apples.
Kamchak
April 26th, 2011
4:08 pm
It won’t matter who the Republican candidate is… Obama is TOAST and will LOSE regardless.
Whistling past the graveyard.
bart
April 26th, 2011
4:09 pm
Daniels is the strongest candidate the GOP could nominate. Of course, that means he won’t even come close to getting the nomination shouldd he run. He’s too reasonable.
joe
April 26th, 2011
4:09 pm
“fearing for the future of my country” Is exactly what you get with a 2nd term Obama and his socialist, elitist, entitlement, bailout, free healthcare, free everything attacks on our capitalistic, freedom loving way of life. God help us if he gets re-elected…our currency will crash, we will go bankrupt and what gas there is will be $10 per gallon.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
4:10 pm
USMC
@ 4:04
Methinks that may be colored by a tint of wishful thinking…at least as it stands at present…
carlosgvv
April 26th, 2011
4:10 pm
I do not see any of the current potential Republican candidates showing any appreciation for basic reality and seriousness. Unfortunately, Obama isn’t showing any of this either. Keep this in mind, Jay, the next time you are tempted to lecture us about the sorry candidates we elect. We can only vote for those on the ballot, no matter how mediocre they are.
Fletch
April 26th, 2011
4:10 pm
I love how you all seriously think Bush was to blame for the global economic woes we found/find ourselves in. To put this a way that you might understand: it’s like blaming global climate change on spray deoderant.
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
4:12 pm
“The President has over one term of woeful, disastrous experience.
He will not end Medicare.”
Fixed your typo, getaclue. And why do you continue to lie about Paul Ryan “ending” Medicare, when Politifact gave that claim it’s lowest rating of “Pants on fire”?
getalife
April 26th, 2011
4:12 pm
A gop official states she has seen the President’s official birth certificate to put that vast rw conspiracy to rest.
You cons should apologize.
jm
April 26th, 2011
4:13 pm
josef nix 4:08 – back in his palatial condo
TaxPayer
April 26th, 2011
4:13 pm
Paul Ryan’s the obvious choice. After all, he wants to end Medicare. That’s got to be good for a few votes, right.
Steve
April 26th, 2011
4:14 pm
Jay –
Have you ever kicked back on your hippie couch after completing a piece and thought ” this is such a piece of crap and is so far fetched and biased…I am going to catch a lot of flack for this”.
Just wondering.
jm
April 26th, 2011
4:14 pm
bart 4:09 – pretty much why Hillary lost too
jm
April 26th, 2011
4:15 pm
joe 4:09 – could be $20 a gallon in a few years depending on what happens.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
April 26th, 2011
4:16 pm
With the economy still on thin ice, a jobless recovery, gas prices through the roof creating inflation, more and more people each day depending on a government going bankrupt, the country on the brink of falling behind communist China, locked into now three wars, you would have to be a blind optimist to truly believe this man sitting in the White House is re-electable.
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
4:16 pm
“Paul Ryan’s the obvious choice. After all, he wants to end Medicare. ”
Continuing the lie, despite all facts to the contrary.
Why am I not surprised?
Jay
April 26th, 2011
4:16 pm
I’m sure you wonder about many many things, Steve. That’s just one of them.
jm
April 26th, 2011
4:16 pm
Steve – what’s the difference between a Hippie Couch and a regular one?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 26th, 2011
4:17 pm
It won’t matter who the Republican candidate is…
Complete and udderless bullsh*t! It may be like that for the mindless, but this voter doesn’t blindly vote for party.
md
April 26th, 2011
4:17 pm
Great….and now the Labor Board is suing States for passing legislation that calls for secret ballots during union organization……….
Now how in the world is a Union supposed to know which folks they have to bully?
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
4:18 pm
jm
He ought to be put out to pasture somewhere,,,
Steve
April 26th, 2011
4:18 pm
“Joe Cool”
How’s all that hope, change, high gas prices, low home value, crappy retirement portfolio, broken promises, and 3 wars treating you?
Obama is a joke…we see it more and more every day.
USMC
April 26th, 2011
4:18 pm
“USMC 3:56 – all style, no substance behind the veneer.”
Well said, JM. And time always weeds out the “pretenders/obamas”.
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
4:18 pm
“With the economy still on thin ice, a jobless recovery, gas prices through the roof creating inflation, more and more people each day depending on a government going bankrupt, the country on the brink of falling behind communist China, locked into now three wars, you would have to be a blind optimist to truly believe this man sitting in the White House is re-electable.”
Never underestimate the inate stupidity of the American voter.
It’s how we got into this mess in the first place, and how Hope & Punt ™ got into the Oval Office.
getalife
April 26th, 2011
4:18 pm
The gop are on record for voting to end Medicare.
The vast rw birther conspiracy was proven a blatant lie.
The gop have zero credibility.
Left wing management
April 26th, 2011
4:18 pm
Someone such as Daniels would be the anti-Trump, presumably unwilling to pander to the birtherism and Islamaphobia rampant on the right. Given the current environment, he has reason to question just how much of a market there might be for what he has to offer.
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
4:19 pm
jm
A hippie couch has a madras throw…
Cynthia Who?
April 26th, 2011
4:19 pm
“While I wouldn’t vote for him against President Obama,” – Jay Bookman.
What in the world are you talking about? You wouldn’t vote against Obama if Jesus was running. You would vote Pelosi as president before any republican. Stop trying to act like you are a moderate or independent.
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
April 26th, 2011
4:19 pm
“…locked into now three wars…”
With all of the legitimate reasons to fault the president, making up nonsense about a third war is really sad, recon.
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
4:20 pm
” what’s the difference between a Hippie Couch and a regular one?”
One’s impregnated with the lingering odor of pot, and one isn’t . . .
Hillbilly Deluxe
April 26th, 2011
4:20 pm
If I were considering running for the Republican nomination, I’d just sit back and wait for the big Trump implosion. Then, one could just walk right in and have no trouble appearing as the voice of reason. Damn near anybody would be perceived as a moderate, after Donald.
Of course, in my opinion, Trump isn’t really running anyway. He’s just engaging himself in a massive ego stroke and doing some self-promotion, in the process.
Joe
April 26th, 2011
4:21 pm
What exactly has Pawlenty or Romney done to become unrecognizable Jay? They are both harping on the atrocious record of Obama and his out of control spending. Neither has jumped on the birther bandwagon nor have they attacked your beloved islam. They are just the front runners for the GOP nomination so you must spew your hate towards them to cover for Obama’s miserable failure to lead… LOL… The folks have awoken and won’t be fooled this time….
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
4:21 pm
“The gop are on record for voting to end Medicare.”
Please cite the aforementioned “vote”.
The silence will be deafening.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 26th, 2011
4:21 pm
Shepard Smith: “Fox News Can Confirm That The President Of The United States Is A Citizen Of the United States, Period”
___________________
Fox contradicts Fox? I guess that’s fair and unbalanced.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 26th, 2011
4:21 pm
a jobless recovery
The myth that keeps us in this financial circle jerk. A jobless recovery is nothing more than another bubble inflating. I hate even hearing that term, as it’s only admitting that we’ll end up in another financial mess soon.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
4:22 pm
getalife
“The gop have zero credibility”
Maybe in your books, but they’ve got plenty in many quarters…and I’m not saying that is a good thing.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 26th, 2011
4:23 pm
GG: Considering the Bush budgets and economic wreckage left behind, as former Bush budget director – Mr. Daniels has some “splainin” to do.
——-
That’s hilarious! Does the only president to have presided over and proposed budget after budget adding $1.5 trillion every year to the debt have any “splainin” to do?
Not to his acolyte sheeple, apparently.
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
4:23 pm
” making up nonsense about a third war is really sad”
Yeah, ’cause sending the American military to bomb the crap out of a foreign country is so not a war . . .
USMC
April 26th, 2011
4:23 pm
“Put him in his place…what IS his place…?”-Josef
His place?… well one of the many of his places is TRUMP TOWER:-)
jm
April 26th, 2011
4:24 pm
I’ve found a few hippie couches.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=1563&bih=966&gbv=2&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=wim3Tau1K4bQgAecjLk5&ved=0CDYQvwUoAQ&q=couch+tie+dye&spell=1
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
4:24 pm
Hillbilly
@ 4:20
Pretty much sums up my own feelings on the subject…
Bosch
April 26th, 2011
4:25 pm
There are two Republicans I’d vote for POTUS in a heartbeat: The Senate Goddess herself: Olympia Snowe and the Deputy Senate Goddess, Susan Collins…….sigh……..
USMC
April 26th, 2011
4:26 pm
“Steve – what’s the difference between a Hippie Couch and a regular one?”–jm
Years of pot seeds stuck between the cushions and the bong(w/ Grateful dead sticker) on the coffee table in front of it:-)
Steve
April 26th, 2011
4:26 pm
A Hippie Couch has a fold out console with a bong and lots of Chips Ahoy in it.
Maybe Jay can provide more details.
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
April 26th, 2011
4:28 pm
No, Dave, it is not.
Do you consider the eleven year no-fly zone over Iraq, before George of the Bungle horrifically botched the invasion and occupation of Iraq be a “war”?
W
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 26th, 2011
4:28 pm
HD @ 4:20
That second paragraph could not be said any better.
Bosch 2 4:25
jm
April 26th, 2011
4:28 pm
USMC / Steve et al. It probably has a “growponics” system built in under the cushions as well…..
Joe Cool
April 26th, 2011
4:29 pm
Steve-”How’s all that hope, change, high gas prices, low home value, crappy retirement portfolio, broken promises, and 3 wars treating you?”
I really cant complain too much about my hope and change. I learned a long time ago, gas prices dont have anything to do with the Prez. (and no i didnt blame Bush). Im my businees, a low home value, is what im looking for. As far as my portfolio, it was gARBAGE when bushie left, but I have seen improvements. As far as wars, I wish our troops where home, but hey, im not on the ground and im not one to speak out of my realm like most arm chair QB’s.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
4:29 pm
USMC and jm
I know y’all’s answer to my question on Trump’s place was said in humor, but sadly it is too true. He can sashay in, raise a stink of the stupidiest kind, embarass the hell out of the American voter, then sail right on back to the Tower to ready his next sallie into the spotlight…
Bosch
April 26th, 2011
4:29 pm
“Years of pot seeds stuck between the cushions and the bong(w/ Grateful dead sticker) on the coffee table in front of it:-)
Hippie Couch has a fold out console with a bong and lots of Chips Ahoy in it.
Maybe Jay can provide more details.”
And? Y’all are just jealous.
patriot
April 26th, 2011
4:30 pm
Ron Paul 2012. There is nobody else with a clue about economics, small government, and how to restore the free market and a sound currency to this country. All the others are war-mongering clowns.
jm
April 26th, 2011
4:30 pm
Trump is the reason we need a Daniels. Now he’s got a mission…..
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
April 26th, 2011
4:30 pm
“With all of the legitimate reasons to fault the president, making up nonsense about a third war is really sad, recon.”
Whenever our military is ordered to place ordinance on live targets engaged in hostile combat, it’s a war regardless of what the civilian population and its leadership chooses to call it. Ask anyone whose seen it in real time. If your preference is “kinetic action” and it makes you feel greater comfort by all means call it that.
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
4:31 pm
“Do you consider the eleven year no-fly zone over Iraq, before George of the Bungle horrifically botched the invasion and occupation of Iraq be a “war”?”
Yeah, I do, as it was a continuation of the first Iraq war.
jm
April 26th, 2011
4:31 pm
well patriot, I’m tired of debasing our currency and gobs of Federal spending.
However, going to back to the gold standard and abolishing the federal reserve isn’t the answer either.
Left wing management
April 26th, 2011
4:31 pm
Whether Barack Obama was born in Hawaii is absolutely irrelevant. All that matters is that he presented an official document. Period. Even if someone could show proof he wasn’t born there – it makes absolutely no difference. The piece of paper means everything.
The reporter Tuckman last night on CNN made a helpful point:
If Obama’s official birth certificate does not count as valid proof of citizenship, then we have a much bigger problem on our hands than an uncertified president: namely, we have hundreds of thousands of people running around in one of our states thinking they’re legitimate citizens when they’re not.
Bosch
April 26th, 2011
4:33 pm
This is off topic, but totallly hilarious, and I feel like sharing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg
Jay
April 26th, 2011
4:33 pm
Given the level of detail offered, there’s a lot of apparent first-hand knowledge out there regarding hippie couches.
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
4:35 pm
“Given the level of detail offered, there’s a lot of apparent first-hand knowledge out there regarding hippie couches.”
Of course, so I’ve been told . . .
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 26th, 2011
4:36 pm
LWM.. are you suggesting we kick all those people in Hawaii out? Cause I’m willing to declare the Big Island mine by squatters rights.
I sure hope you’re not suggesting a fence to keep people from crossing the border into Hawaii.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
4:37 pm
The Bruin a hippie? I think not…he’s a little bit too young to have been one and, well, I don’t really see him hanging out with my crowd back in the day…but I would have listened to his opinions on Herman Hesse…see, he would have been one of the few who would have read it…
jm
April 26th, 2011
4:38 pm
I’ve had long debates with pot-smoking friends. They argue for full legalization. I think that’s a bad idea. If one considered legalization, I’d argue it needs to be super-highly regulated, to the point of government dispensary (think ABC stores for pot). With ID and government reporting in place.
Joe Cool
April 26th, 2011
4:39 pm
The problem with some of these cons, is that they blame their personal life off of every single thing the Prez does. IF your personal life was Sh!++Y when bush was in office and its still Sh!++y, the problem may be YOU and your life decisions!
USMC
April 26th, 2011
4:39 pm
“Given the level of detail offered, there’s a lot of apparent first-hand knowledge out there regarding hippie couches.”
Sounds like we weren’t too far off the mark, huh, Jay:-)
(no I am not peering at your hippie couch through the window of your home:-)
jm
April 26th, 2011
4:40 pm
Oh yes, and Jay. CNBC’s Marijuana Inc is an interesting “documentary”, if that’s what it should be called. Probably more like “expose”.
Dave
April 26th, 2011
4:41 pm
Daniels defense of his time as OMB director under Bush is not very difficult to defend since he served there between January 20, 2001 – June 6, 2003. During the first year of his time there the country suffered huge economic setback from the aftermath of the September 11 attacks. This affected the normal flow of money and revenue the government takes in from money taxed on travel, flights, and all the spending extending from this. So the argument can be made against him since during this time the existing surplus turned into a deficit. But two things must be considered: first, the economy did much better than one could have hoped due to the crisis that surrounded the 9/11 attacks and his job also had to manage Congessional Republicans who had a large hand in what kind of spending was signed into law and in comparison to the type of unrestrained spending under the current administration the deficits under his term as OMB are rather small especially under the extraordinary circumstances the country was going through at the time.
Furthermore, one can make the case that his budget for the Iraq war was grossly underestimated due to the total costs of the war we now can plainly observe, but his projection was only accounting for the costs of an initial conflict not for a protracted occupation. The initial invasion and overthrow of Sadam was between March 19, 2003 – May 1, 2003 and he only remained director of OMB for one month after this. As we know the war has lasted much longer than this and so naturally his budget didn’t account for a ten plus years of occupation. But as politics goes the Democratic opposition will probably not want to acknowledge many of these facts since tying Daniels to Bush is the easiest strategy… it may work, but it is also not difficult to overcome.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
4:44 pm
BOSCH
@ 4:33
Now THAT’s one I wish I could show my kids at school….can you imagine the essays I’d get on “The Honeybadger Don’t Give a Sh*t?”
jm
April 26th, 2011
4:44 pm
There is no legitimate argument against Daniels on the budget. He had to do whatever the President and Congress ultimately decided. He can advise, but he didn’t make the laws.
What one can judge Daniels on is his track record in Indiana. Which is OUTSTANDING.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
April 26th, 2011
4:45 pm
Dave,
Interesting observation and accurate.
Jay
April 26th, 2011
4:45 pm
You’re half right, Josef. I was indeed too young for the hippie stuff, and growing up in a blue-collar military family, it wasn’t exactly part of my environment. That’s why my musical taste, for example, extends more toward Southern and hard rock than, say, the Dead.
Also why I never read Hesse or Gibran, etc.
USMC
April 26th, 2011
4:46 pm
“I’ve had long debates with pot-smoking friends. They argue for full legalization. I think that’s a bad idea.”
I think Legalizing drugs would be a huge success for our country and society. Legalization removes MOST if not all of the crime element similar to the effect that doing away with prohibition had on crime. The Kennedy’s went into lawful businesses and government. Plus you tax (theres that ugly word I don’t like) the heck out of it and put the money back into prior-use education and post-use healthcare.
We are not only killing our inner city minorities but this epidemic has reach across our entire society; no one is left unaffected.
If someone wants to do drugs, they are doing drugs. Our laws are pitiful.
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
April 26th, 2011
4:47 pm
Recon, we disagree.
I contend that using the term *war* in regards to Libya, though technically correct, is just Republispeak to make up for the Bush debacles.
When BHO gets thousands and thousands and thousands of flag draped coffins sent back to Dover AFB – FROM LIBYA – then I will call it a war, OK?
When we have 130,000 troops in country, getting shot up daily, I will call it a war, OK?
When we are spending millions of dollars per minute, I will call it a war, OK?
To be sure, 150 bombing sorties is a lot, but this ain’t squat compared to the thousands of bombing runs, missile strikes, etc in the first days of the botched shock and awe, alone.
And NATO is in control now, anyway and we are doing virtually no more of these said bombing runs.
Our role is getting smaller by the day, while the role of Britain and France, among others grows.
Thank gawd, BHO is not as stupid as Bush was, and he is not going to get us caught up in yet another needless quagmire/war…
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 26th, 2011
4:47 pm
LWM
Your post made me think of something. There’s so much focus on Obama’s citizenship. What if someone born in Puerto Rico or any other territory where they’re considered US citizens at birth? I wonder how bat shiite crazy people would go over their citizenship. PR would be especially touchy as they just recently invalidated all birth records and began re-issuing birth certificates to all it’s people.
ty webb
April 26th, 2011
4:47 pm
what gets the patchouli stank out of a hippie couch?
John Birch
April 26th, 2011
4:49 pm
Obama = Islamaphobia – Greatly escalated the first (Afghan) war, still has the second going, left Gitmo open and …..drum roll please, bombed a third formerly sovereign nation, which never attacked us. Sounds pretty phobic to me.
jm
April 26th, 2011
4:49 pm
USMC 4:46 – I tend to agree, the Mexican drug war is a mess
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
April 26th, 2011
4:49 pm
James Earl Carter called for the decriminalization of marijuana while POTUS.
Then the crazed, reactionary Reaganistas came to power.
Now, we’re back in the 1950s again…
Jay
April 26th, 2011
4:50 pm
You’d be disappointed if you did peek in, USMC. Not a Che poster or a futon to be seen, just boring old middle-class America (with a lot of books).
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
4:50 pm
“Thank gawd, BHO is not as stupid as Bush was . . .”
Yeah, Hope & Punt ™ takes stupid to a whole new level.
RW-(the original)
April 26th, 2011
4:51 pm
what gets the patchouli stank out of a hippie couch?
Nothing, but it doesn’t matter. A hippie couch has also had at least 8 homes and no owners so you just pass it along.
Redneck Convert (R---and proud of it)
April 26th, 2011
4:52 pm
Well, I don’t want to do it but it looks like I’m going to have to run. We got nobody. Sarah acts like a high school girl that wants to but won’t go skinny-dipping and even I know a nut when I see one, and that nut is Trump. Daniels don’t hardly have half a head of hair and is short besides. Won’t none of the women vote for him except maybe the real ugly ones. And that Mormon that signed Obamacare up in Mass. before there even was Obamacare will get skinned alive once the librul Democrats cut loose on him. I thought old Haley Barbour might stand a chance, but then he started talking up things that us old-timers and Those People would just as soon forget and had to drop out.
So I’ll talk it over with the missus in the next couple weeks to see if she
can fit through the White House doorwaythinks I should run. At least the voters will like my honesty. I come right out and say I got no use for Those People and the gays while the others just dance around the subject.bart
April 26th, 2011
4:53 pm
jm, agreed.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
4:53 pm
JAY
I was a “baby hiipie” myself…got to be in San Francisco for the height of it with a big brother who pretty much let me have the experience at will (but keeping an eye on me, too)…the music was good, but I was more into the folkie bit (still am!)…but when Southern Rock came along, well, there was something I went for!
And you never read Hesse? Gibran? I would have thought you would have and not because it was “cool” but because it was literature…have you read them since? Do you read in German? If so, that’s the way to really get what it was Hesse was trying to say…
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
April 26th, 2011
4:55 pm
Dave, I don’t disagree!
But that bizarre nutjob Trump was right about one thing – blame Obama on Rove and Bush.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
4:56 pm
USMC
@ 4:46
Agreed and for the same reasons…
Kamchak
April 26th, 2011
4:56 pm
…but I would have listened to his opinions on Herman Hesse…
Siddhartha — a good read.
Highly recommended.
jm
April 26th, 2011
4:57 pm
Helicopter Ben is drowning us in money….
Where's My Party?
April 26th, 2011
4:57 pm
getalife
April 26th, 2011
4:18 pm
The gop are on record for voting to end Medicare.
That is a lie.
USMC
April 26th, 2011
4:58 pm
“You’d be disappointed if you did peek in, USMC. Not a Che poster or a futon to be seen, just boring old middle-class America (with a lot of books).”
Friggin Hilarous!
(but I’m not sure I believe the bit about the Che poster… okay at least you have a Che T-shirt, right?:-)
Jay, I wish you would write on the idea of “Legalizing” Drugs… If you back that idea, of course.
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
April 26th, 2011
4:58 pm
Speaking of “hippy” books, I think I even had a Bhagavad Gita back int he day.
I tried to labor through it, but man, that was some weird stuff.
Maybe I needed some mushrooms…
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
4:59 pm
JAY
Just curious, given your command of literature is impressive (no apple polishing intended, Dusty!), but what five books impressed you the most in high school?
jm
April 26th, 2011
5:00 pm
Trippy. 3M and Molson-Coors have the exact same dividend yield. huh
jm
April 26th, 2011
5:01 pm
josef nix 4:59 – I bet Atlas Shrugged was on the list….
Hmm. Maybe not.
TaxPayer
April 26th, 2011
5:02 pm
Yeah, Hope & Punt ™ takes stupid to a whole new level.
He is trying but it is a non-stop battle to get them to actually think for a change. There are encouraging signs that some of the stupid are coming around though. Once you get one of them to turn of FOX, the battle is half won.
Left wing management
April 26th, 2011
5:02 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
.. got your eye on some ocean front lot eh?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man) .. .I’m confused .. what prompted Puerto Rico to undertake the reissues?
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
5:03 pm
“Just curious, given your command of literature is impressive ”
Brown-noser!
jm
April 26th, 2011
5:03 pm
“Fed Confidence in Transitory Inflation Pickup Hinges on Subdued Wage Gains ” bloomberg
well, with that I kinda tend to agree….. too much labor market slack… but doesn’t mean inflation isn’t going to pick up.
middle class squeeze all around, inflation, wage stagnation, and higher taxes on the horizon.
Thanks big government.
Tundra Dude
April 26th, 2011
5:03 pm
JB wrote, in part:
So I’m hoping Daniels runs, both for the good of the Republican Party and for the country, but he clearly has some misgivings. (He’s expected to announce his decision in the next week or two)
Very sad. Just another member of the Republican Weanie Caucus.
You’d think none would hesitate to throw their hat in the ring with a prez they described as:
amateur, clueless, dithering, incompetent, indecisive, infantile, ineligible, spectator-in-chief
terrorist sympathizer, timid, unqualified, weak, _Worst president ever_
Newtie will be disappointed again, imo.
In my lifetime, in my lifetime—I was born in 1943—we have not had a competent national Republican leader. Not ever.”~Newt G
poison pen
April 26th, 2011
5:04 pm
Granny Godzilla
April 26th, 2011
3:43 pm
Daniels may be a problem for some on the right –
he is Syrian-American.
Wow! Just when I thought we would get by for ond day without playing the RACE card smug Granny comes along. Tey getting a life.
Hillbilly Deluxe
April 26th, 2011
5:04 pm
When it comes to legalizing drugs, the drug of choice up here in the Hills is meth, and I suppose you could tax it. One problem, though, is it’d be just like it is now. The only way they can get the money to buy it, is to steal. Not many that I know, can hold down a paying job. Just something to think about.
TaxPayer
April 26th, 2011
5:04 pm
3M. Molson-Coors. Nah. NLY. Now there’s a dividend yield.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 26th, 2011
5:06 pm
Syrian is a race? Why I thought it was a nationality. And I guess you missed the race cards being played this morning.
A discussion of potential Republican candidates for President evolves into a discussion of drugs…..how appropriate
poison pen
April 26th, 2011
5:06 pm
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
4:59 pm
JAY
Just curious, given your command of literature is impressive (no apple polishing intended, Dusty!), but what five books impressed you the most in high school?
One was probably Playboy, I don’t know about the other four.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
April 26th, 2011
5:07 pm
AmVet, you can disagree all you wish, it doesn’t change the reality of military action. I don’t know the full extent U.S. assets are being utilized and I don’t believe you do either. We do know that it was our aircraft flying combat missions at the beginning and when we handed off to NATO they proved less than capable of taking over the task and asked us to re-engage, which we recently did by deploying Drones as well as flying air strike once again in support of the rebels. You can forget about GWB, it’s BHO in the White House now and he hasn’t changed Bush policy very much has he?
poison pen
April 26th, 2011
5:07 pm
KeepUp, you doing drugs again?
TaxPayer
April 26th, 2011
5:07 pm
Republicans would have a lot better chance at winning if they legalized a bunch of drugs before running on their platform of ending medicare and medicaid and food stamps, etc.
poison pen
April 26th, 2011
5:09 pm
Recon when AmVet gets off his meds he still thinks that Bush is Pres.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
5:09 pm
DAVE
Nyanh…I really have been impressed. Now, what he got from it all? W-e-e-e-l
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 26th, 2011
5:10 pm
LWM
Alterations and counterfeits were becoming too pervasive to contain. All one would need is a Birth Certificate from PR, and presto… instant US citizenship, passport, etc…. Some people wouldn’t be able to discern a Dominican Native or any other Cent. American/Caribbean country from a native of PR. That get’s to be a serious immigration issue if people are using falsified docs to get legitimate ones. The only hard-to-detect, perfect false document there is that one can get is a legally issued one obtained through fraud.
TaxPayer
April 26th, 2011
5:12 pm
At least with meth addicts, you don’t have to worry about them being a long-term drag on healthcare or anything else for that matter. Their average life expectancy is only five to seven years. Of course that number is probably skewed as a result of the number of addicts that died due to gunshot wounds and knifings and labs blowing up.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
5:13 pm
poison
Playboy! Heh, heh! My mom had a subscription and it WAS for the writing! (Couldn’t buy it off the shelf out in our corner of the universe!). When I was in junior high school, I got “caught” with one…and I really WAS reading the Vonnegut piece…luckily my English teacher was a friend of Mom’s and knew I was telling the truth when I told her I was reading it…she stood up for me in the “hearing.” Years later when we were talking about it, she laughed, “well, in YOUR case, I knew it wasn’t the pictures!
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
5:14 pm
USMC — “I think Legalizing drugs would be a huge success for our country and society. Legalization removes MOST if not all of the crime element similar to the effect that doing away with prohibition had on crime.”
On this point, sir, we are in agreement.
FWIW, you’d get the same effect if you legalized and regulated prostitution, thereby cutting pimps and organized crime out of the picture. It doesn’t seem to have done Nevada any harm.
jm
April 26th, 2011
5:14 pm
Taxpayer 5:04 – anytime you get a structured investment vehicle with that kind of dividend yield, it means there’s a lot of risk being taken…. no (economically) free lunches.
Left wing management
April 26th, 2011
5:15 pm
Is anyone else a little freaked out at the eerie lack of plausible candidates for president these days? Am I the only one who wonders if this is another sign of our following in Rome’s footsteps? Amidst all the cut-throat competition for the office and mountains of money being spent, there’s a weird disconnect in the serious lack of gravitas, experience, and increasingly, willingness among potential occupants of the office. Another decade or two like this and we’ll have to start importing our presidents from abroad and paying them handsomely. Well, good thing so much dough is going into the campaign, someday we may need it to pay someone to actually do the job.
Just an observation
April 26th, 2011
5:17 pm
Many of the posters here mirror the current crop of Republican candidates, all trying to out “Republican” the other. In other words, take irrationality to a whole new level. For instance the posters who can’t post anything without calling the President some goofy name. I guess that’s meant to show that not only are they against Obama, they are REALLY against him. It’s funny but a bit pathetic as well.
This isn’t some game, it’s the welfare of our country. Obama could solve all the world’s evils tomorrow and some of you sound as though you’d be angry because he would then receive credit. Grow up already, and get past the “us versus them” mentality. We will either all win or all lose together.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 26th, 2011
5:19 pm
Poison, you still beating your wife?
jm
April 26th, 2011
5:19 pm
Taxpayer 5:04. You’ve got $83B in assets, $73B in debt, almost all of it short term. That’s an 8.3x leverage ratio (not as bad as the investment banks at their height, but exceedingly risk), all financed with short term debt. Recipe for blow up. If you get a 12% decline in the value of the assets, the equity is worth $0 (never mind the dividend yield).
pogo
April 26th, 2011
5:19 pm
Trump is non-starter Jay. You have to know this. As pertaining to the previous thred, why didn’t you talk about the “Big Dig” in Boston? That is “The” earmark against which all others must be judged. It cost the American taxpayers billions and billions in overuns and union corruption. I think Democrats just may have been involved in the decision making on the appropriations for that one, don’t you? That being said, I agree with you that it has to end, but please don’t just point at one side. You’re far too intelligent to think that only Republicans “deliver the bacon” aren’t you? I mean, Obama has been delivering it to the unions for their support since 2008, hasn’t he? Look at what the bail-out of General motors is going to ultimately cost us. I think it is in the neighborhood of something like 40 billion and now even Obama is wanting to dump their stock (at a huge loss to the American taxpayers) because he knows it is a loser.
Someone here today asked the question on whether you are a journalist or political hack. Are you a journalist Jay? Or are you, as one of your defenders implied, just an Op-Ed man who is supposed to have political bias? Op-Ed men and women are a dime a dozen and in the grand scheme they are pretty much disposable. On the other hand, true journalists are becoming an extinct species. If you are just an Op-Ed writer, I think that it is a huge waste of intellectual talent.
getalife
April 26th, 2011
5:24 pm
Now is not a good time to change leadership.
Too much going on.
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
April 26th, 2011
5:26 pm
Poor poison pen, did I irk your sensitive little soul?
Interesting because, I didn’t mean to offend you so personally.
Hombre, you’ve been humiliated so many times on this forum, by so many different people, that you no longer even have the balls, presuming you ever did, to try and insult people directly, do you?
You just gossip about them like a little hen.
Pathetic with a capital P.
Now go back to lurking under your bed, until you show up once again with another equally childish “contribution”…
TaxPayer
April 26th, 2011
5:27 pm
jm,
It sounds like NLY is not for you then. Might I suggest AIG or Washington Mutual.
Logical Dude
April 26th, 2011
5:28 pm
getalife: Now is not a good time to change leadership. Too much going on.
I don’t buy that argument at all. It seems to be what gave us Bush for 8 years instead of 4. It’s okay to change leadership if the country wants a new leader.
But then, they are ALL IN IT TOGETHER in the first place, so new leaders change things here and there, but overall, they’re all IN IT FOR THE MONEY. (see Jay’s article).
Fiscally, What’s the difference between Bush and Obama? Each has cronies and lobbyists that move the money around in circles, draining it away from the rest of us.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
April 26th, 2011
5:28 pm
“Now is not a good time to change leadership.”
That’s the problem, we don’t have leadership.
Left wing management
April 26th, 2011
5:28 pm
Southern Comfort, I see. Thanks for explanation
jm
April 26th, 2011
5:32 pm
reuters
Pressure on the six senators to deliver a report as soon as next week has intensified in recent days, because a separate deficit-reduction panel led by Vice President Joe Biden, due to meet for the first time on May 5, is viewed by many on Capitol Hill as little more than political theater.
A U.S. Senate aide derided the Biden panel as “an entirely made-up thing.”
jm
April 26th, 2011
5:34 pm
Taxpayer 5:27 – your choice. no thanks. good luck with that.
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
5:34 pm
” Amidst all the cut-throat competition for the office and mountains of money being spent, there’s a weird disconnect in the serious lack of gravitas, experience, ”
But enough about Hope & Punt ™ . . .
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
5:35 pm
Recon: “That’s the problem, we don’t have leadership.”
I don’t see how the GOP’s problems are the fault of the Democrats.
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
5:35 pm
“A U.S. Senate aide derided the Biden panel as “an entirely made-up thing.””
But enough about Biden’s hairline . . .
Logical Dude
April 26th, 2011
5:35 pm
jm: separate deficit-reduction panel
And what was wrong with the one last year that gave recommendations?
OH YEAH! Because they need to HIRE MORE CONSULTANTS to move the money back around in circles, all the while leaving the US people to keep tossing money into the neverending whirlwind of lobbyist-legislator-contractor-lobbyist.
Left wing management
April 26th, 2011
5:37 pm
pogo: “Trump is non-starter Jay. You have to know this.”
Funny how many people are making this mistake, both on left and right.
I’d put it to you that if you don’t think Trump’s for real – in terms of how far he could go, all questions of his motivations aside – then you are falling into quite a trap. Trump has all the clownish showmanship, the blustering, the strongman bravado and contempuous dismissal of expert mumbo jumbo (which Americans just love), and the big brand name that he’ll need to easily win over enough independents to overcome any qualms GOP base voters might have with his past flirtations with liberal interests. So he has to be taken very very seriously.
As I’ve said. Americans love a strongman who makes the experts squirm and look foolish, and Trump is that on steroids, and could potentially be a whole lot more, if he chose to play the game. He could easily be our Berlusconi here in a couple of years if we’re not careful.
jm
April 26th, 2011
5:37 pm
WH is revving up the Daniels character assassination machine….
President Obama thinks Mitch Daniels is a “serious person,” but he’s not going to make any predictions about the Indiana governor’s place in the 2012 presidential field.
“You know, it’s a little early to start prognosticating. I’m going to let the Republicans sort out who they think their standard-bearer should be,” Obama said in an interview with WTHR Indianapolis. “I think Governor Daniels is a serious person. I have some significant philosophical differences with him.”
The interview with the local NBC affiliate was given last Monday, but the station showed the 20-second clip Sunday evening and promised to air more snippets of the conversation in coming weeks.
jm
April 26th, 2011
5:37 pm
Logical Dude – Obama didn’t like the result of the previous commission, so he swept it under the carpet.
Obama has no credibility anymore.
Yahtzee
April 26th, 2011
5:38 pm
“While I wouldn’t vote for him against President Obama, I could certainly envision Daniels as president without fearing for the future of my country. And I can’t say that about the rest of the GOP field.”
And you feel safe with Obama as president? That’s laughable. I’m starting to wonder why I even waste my time reading anything you write, Jay. What’s really sad though is that your “writing” is a reflection of most mainstream “news” that is being reported.
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
TaxPayer
April 26th, 2011
5:40 pm
jm,
I’m sure it is not for everyone. I bought in at $14 and I may have to think about an exit strategy in the near future.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 26th, 2011
5:41 pm
LWM
No prob.
Kamchak
April 26th, 2011
5:42 pm
I’m starting to wonder why I even waste my time reading anything you write, Jay.
Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out, sport.
Jay
April 26th, 2011
5:48 pm
“WH is revving up the Daniels character assassination machine….
President Obama thinks Mitch Daniels is a “serious person,” but he’s not going to make any predictions about the Indiana governor’s place in the 2012 presidential field.
“You know, it’s a little early to start prognosticating. I’m going to let the Republicans sort out who they think their standard-bearer should be,” Obama said in an interview with WTHR Indianapolis. “I think Governor Daniels is a serious person. I have some significant philosophical differences with him.”
Boy, that’s some character attack there, jm.
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
5:54 pm
jm — “Obama has no credibility anymore.”
Please tell us specifically when, why and how you made this determination. Also please tell us if you *ever* felt that President Obama had credibility in the first place.
jm
April 26th, 2011
5:57 pm
Jay 5:48 – you’re right, that wasn’t. They’re teeing it up in the background (off stage) in case he decides to run.
Joe Mama 5:54 – over the last 12 months, no specific date, though the deficit commission rolling really gets my goat. Did he ever have credibility? In my mind, yeah, I guess when I voted for him.
jm
April 26th, 2011
6:00 pm
Commentary by Caroline Baum
April 26 (Bloomberg) — When President Barack Obama took his deficit-reduction show on the road last week, he found audiences had more on their minds than spending cuts and tax increases.
“What are you doing about gas prices?” someone at a town- hall-style meeting at North Virginia Community College in Annandale wanted to know.
The reaction of town-hall attendees to soaring gas prices, which hit a nation-wide average of $3.84 last week, probably isn’t much different than that of ordinary Americans, who are devoting a bigger chunk of the household budget to filling the tank.
What exactly do folks have in mind when they ask the president what he’s doing about oil prices, which are set by the market? Do they want him to respond with, “Drill baby drill”?
I doubt it. Environmentalists haven’t warmed up to oil exploration and drilling since last year’s Deepwater Horizon explosion in the Gulf of Mexico.
Maybe the public wants more hydraulic fracturing to extract the vast supplies of natural gas from the Marcellus Shale formation in the Appalachian Basin, which would reduce demand for oil-based products? Not in my backyard, thank you.
Or, was the question about gas prices a sign of support for the administration’s clean energy initiatives? Not unless windmills can power autos.
I’ve got it! Along with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, Americans want a guarantee of cheap gas prices. All that stuff about us wanting less government in our lives, the take-away from the 2010 mid-term election, is just a bunch of hooey.
http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aQ9mu4t7HaTQ
jm
April 26th, 2011
6:02 pm
Last week, after Standard & Poor’s lowered its outlook to negative for America’s AAA long-term sovereign credit rating, I asked Nikola Swann, the primary credit analyst on the report, about recent parallels. He told me that, in the mid-1990s, both S&P and Moody’s downgraded Canada’s credit rating (from AAA to AA+ and Aa2, respectively), as a result of the country’s deteriorating fiscal situation, the lack of a plan to deal with it and a reliance on external borrowing.
O Canada
Canada’s deficit as a share of gross domestic product had, in the early ‘90s, ballooned to 9.1 percent, and public debt had risen to 68.4 percent of GDP. By comparison, the U.S.’s publicly held debt is expected to reach 72 percent of GDP this year, according to the White House Office of Management and Budget.
-looks like we’re due for a real downgrade.
jm
April 26th, 2011
6:03 pm
Canada worked hard to regain its AAA status in 2002.
“Canadians felt embarrassed by the downgrade, which helped build grassroots support for fiscal discipline,” Swann said.
The groundswell of public support to do whatever it would take to get Canada’s fiscal house in order started with the ouster of the ruling Progressive Conservative Party and the installation of the Liberal Party. Prime Minister Jean Chretien and Finance Minister Paul Martin slashed federal spending by 20 percent. Provincial and local governments came to see balancing the budget as a virtue. By 1998, Canada went from chronic budget deficits to a surplus.
I’ve heard a lot of emotions expressed about the U.S. fiscal stalemate, but embarrassment isn’t one of them.
Instead, opinion polls consistently show that Americans don’t want cuts in their Medicare and Social Security benefits. They don’t want to pay higher taxes. The one thing most Americans favor is raising taxes on the rich.
The trouble is, there aren’t enough rich folks to provide for our unlimited wants. Once people accept this, then the government can proceed with a deficit-reduction plan. If we can’t send a message to Washington that we are willing to accept sacrifices, then we’re the ones who should be embarrassed.
jm
April 26th, 2011
6:05 pm
Yep. I’m embarrassed for my ignorant-arse country that thinks the deficit can be fixed without raising taxes or by just raising taxes on the rich, or by not cutting entitlements.
Atlanta 1
April 26th, 2011
6:06 pm
Right from the AJC: Why Standard and Poor ‘down graded’ the U.S..
Outstanding public debt: $14.26 trillion, aka $14,260,000,000,000.00. That’s a lot of zeros.
• GDP in 2010: $14.66 trillion. That means debt constitutes 96.3 percent of our annual gross domestic product.
• Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac obligations: $5 trillion
• Social Security’s unfunded obligations: $7.7 trillion
• Medicare/Medicaid’s unfunded obligations: $38.2 trillion
• Combined total debt and unfunded obligations: $65.56 trillion
At this point, I don’t care if your a ‘lefty like Jay’ or a ‘righty like Limbaugh’ – I just want a real plan laid in place to reduce the debt. Cut ‘everything’ – Defense and Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid – reshape our policies based upon those cuts. Drop the ‘national healthcare’ nightmare right now. Do all of this before it is too late… Do it for your kids and their kids…
jm
April 26th, 2011
6:06 pm
3rd rate USA…..
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
6:07 pm
jm
If the USA is third rate, who’s first and second rate?
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
6:08 pm
jm — “Did he ever have credibility? In my mind, yeah, I guess when I voted for him.”
Well, I am also disappointed in him and what he’s delivered, but I can’t imagine that the Republicans would have done a better job. Frankly, I think that half a friend is better than an outright enemy.
jm
April 26th, 2011
6:08 pm
You know why the country is in a damn mess and nothing’s happening? Because Obama, the President of the United States, has not leveled with this country and helped to educate them on the problems.
Either out of ignorance, cognitive dissonance, or spinelessness. And I don’t care what the reason is, he’s gotta go.
jm
April 26th, 2011
6:09 pm
josef nix – I’d say Canada’s back in 1st rate. Norway, Israel, Germany…
jm
April 26th, 2011
6:10 pm
Singapore, Australia…..
Midori
April 26th, 2011
6:11 pm
AmVet, Getalife, Bosch, Kammy, Joe Mama, Mrs. G: http://www.wftv.com/video/27677949/index.html
All who voted with/for Ryan is getting a taste of this.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
6:12 pm
jm
Okay…going there, and what is the GDP of those in comparison with the USA..? Size does matter…
jm
April 26th, 2011
6:12 pm
Jay, this will be the Obama mantra, even though it is a bunch of bunk: “Mitch Daniels was W’s budget director and therefore responsible for all the Bush deficits that put this country on the path to decline and therefore he is responsible for our current disaster.”
Oh yes, and I’m sure they’ll trot out the tired old refrain: “he’s beholden to big corporate interests, the big banks, etc etc.”
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 26th, 2011
6:15 pm
• Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac obligations: $5 trillion (Democrat failure)
• Social Security’s unfunded obligations: $7.7 trillion (Democrat failure)
• Medicare/Medicaid’s unfunded obligations: $38.2 trillion (Democrat failure)
Heckuva job putting those big-government social welfare programs together, Democrats!
jm
April 26th, 2011
6:15 pm
josef nix 6:12 – well, it is perhaps easier to fix a smaller country than a larger, more diverse one. But that doesn’t absolve anyone from trying to fix the problem.
Reminds me of the movie (Disclosure) with Demi Moore and Michael Douglas. Where he is reminded, and finally gets the refrain: fix the problem.
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
6:15 pm
Midori, I don’t know much about that Webster fellow. Is the he one who’s holding Dan Grayson’s old seat?
ζῷον λογικόν
April 26th, 2011
6:17 pm
“Well, I am also disappointed in him and what he’s delivered, but I can’t imagine that the Republicans would have done a better job. Frankly, I think that half a friend is better than an outright enemy.”
I’m with Joe Mama.
Small Govt = Good Govt
April 26th, 2011
6:18 pm
Less corruption.
Efficient economy.
Less favoritism.
Less value to lobbying.
Less waste.
Better real wages.
More competitive economy.
Get it?
Midori
April 26th, 2011
6:20 pm
Joe Mama – it’s Alan Grayson (Florida), and yes, this is the guy who replaced him.
getalife
April 26th, 2011
6:23 pm
Attention voters:
The gop will end Medicare.
They voted for it.
Stand up at town halls and scream at them.
Get your corrupt hands of my Medicare gop.
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
6:23 pm
Alan Grayson, yes, mea culpa. It’s been a long week, lol. I blame insufficient caffeination for my slip-up.
Thanks for the clarification. Did this Webster fellow run as a Tea Party candidate, or as a more typical example of the GOP species?
Kamchak
April 26th, 2011
6:24 pm
Hiya Midori
Kinda makes me wonder why some young enterprising entrepreneur hasn’t set up a concession out side town hall meetings selling torches and pitchforks.
Jay
April 26th, 2011
6:25 pm
That’s not character assassination, jm. Whatever you think of its validity, it’s critiquing him on the basis of his record of public service, not attacking his character.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 26th, 2011
6:25 pm
gottalie: If you’re on Medicare already, then there are no changes in the Ryan plan that affect that.
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
6:26 pm
Attention voters:
Anyone who tells you the GOP voted to end Medicare is a lying sack of . . .
And if you’re too stupid to figure that out, you shouldn’t be voting.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 26th, 2011
6:27 pm
Fear not, gottalie, your handouts are intact!
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
6:27 pm
getalife: “Attention voters:
The gop will end Medicare.
They voted for it.
Stand up at town halls and scream at them.
Get your corrupt hands of my Medicare gop.”
I’m also concerned about what they will do to veterans’ benefits. I’m a disabled vet, but I don’t need the bennies NEARLY as bad as some of my brothers and sisters in arms who have seen action in Iraq and Afghanistan. And I need not go into detail about our Vietnam vets.
Those of you who do go to press your cases to your Congressmen and Senators, please don’t forget about the disabled vets who can’t come plead their cases in person.
They stood up for you. Please make an effort to stand up for them.
getalife
April 26th, 2011
6:28 pm
lil w ,
Never ever let them get their corrupt hands on Medicare or SS. Period.
What in the world is wrong with you?
Kamchak
April 26th, 2011
6:29 pm
Anyone who tells you the
GOP voted to end Medicaresmoking gun is the mushroom cloud is a lying sack of . . .And if you’re too stupid to figure that out, you shouldn’t be voting.
FYT.
getalife
April 26th, 2011
6:29 pm
“your handouts are intact!”
Blatant liar.
We paid for it silly.
getalife
April 26th, 2011
6:31 pm
The gop voted to privatize Medicare and end it. Fact.
Not my Real Name
April 26th, 2011
6:31 pm
Trump for President.
Allen West for VP
Ron Paul for Treasury Secretary
Giuliani for Attorney General
Petraeus for Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Bolton for Secretary of State
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
6:32 pm
NMRN: “Trump for President.
Allen West for VP
Ron Paul for Treasury Secretary
Giuliani for Attorney General
Petraeus for Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Bolton for Secretary of State”
Thorazine and straitjackets for some, reeducation camps and vicious beatings for others!
getalife
April 26th, 2011
6:34 pm
dave is calling all those Americans standing up and creaming at the gop to get their corrupt hands off their medicare “a lying sack of . . .
And if you’re too stupid to figure that out, you shouldn’t be voting.”
dave owes us a apology.
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
6:35 pm
“The gop voted to privatize Medicare and end it. Fact.”
Lie.
Even PolitiFACT gave it their lowest rating of “Pants on Fire”.
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
6:36 pm
“dave owes us a apology.”
Blatant liars get no apology from me.
Liars are the scum of the earth.
Not my Real Name
April 26th, 2011
6:36 pm
Joe’s Mommie:
“Thorazine and straitjackets for some, reeducation camps and vicious beatings for others!”
We save that good stuff for the animals at Gitmo and ADX Supermax.
ζῷον λογικόν
April 26th, 2011
6:37 pm
Dave R. “Even PolitiFACT gave it their lowest rating of “Pants on Fire”.
Could you link to that?
getalife
April 26th, 2011
6:38 pm
“Republicans Just Voted To End Medicare — So Where’s The Outrage?”
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/republicans-just-voted-to-end-medicare—-so-wheres-the-outrage.php
It is at gop town halls.
I am going to mine.
Stand up Americans.
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
6:42 pm
NMRN: “We save that good stuff for the animals at Gitmo and ADX Supermax.”
I should hope not. We should be better than those whom we mean to imprison.
getalife
April 26th, 2011
6:42 pm
Apologize dave.
Real Americans are standing up while you are bowing down.
MarkV
April 26th, 2011
6:42 pm
The Republicans in the House voted to end Medicare for younger people, and they cannot keep denying it. The try to deny it using a rather disingenuous trick – they would call a completely different program again “Medicare,” but that does not seem to fool anybody.
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
6:42 pm
“Could you link to that?”
Politifact is featured on the AJC site.
Paulo977
April 26th, 2011
6:43 pm
USMC
re: your attack on Obama’s inexperience in the White House …. These accomplishments emerged as a result of his inexperience… WOW WOW and WOW again!!
http://3chicspolitico.com/president-obamas-accomplishments/
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
6:44 pm
“Real Americans are standing up while you are bowing down.”
WTF????
That comment alone proves you’re not all together upstairs, getaclue.
Not my Real Name
April 26th, 2011
6:45 pm
Yes Mommie,
Those Mafia kingpins, terrorists, gang leaders and cold-blooded killers deserve our mercy…
You’re wacked Mom !!
Those inmates should suffer 24 hrs a day until they die !
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 26th, 2011
6:45 pm
Dave..settle down Dave..
Let’s just admit it. The Ryan Plan is the end of Medicare as we currently know it, correct? The House Republicans voted for the Ryan Plan and very soon the Senate may get the same chance.
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
6:47 pm
“re: your attack on Obama’s inexperience in the White House …. These accomplishments emerged as a result of his inexperience”
Yeah, I can make things up by pulling crap out of my butt, too.
Has about the same validity as the fawning 3 Chics list.
getalife
April 26th, 2011
6:47 pm
Yeah dave.
Admit it.
Midori
April 26th, 2011
6:48 pm
Joe — from his website: http://www.electwebster.com/
click on “about daniel”
Not my Real Name
April 26th, 2011
6:49 pm
I have an old friend stationed at Gitmo. When KSM walks up the stairs to his gallows with the flashbulbs popping and cameras rolling America starts to turn in the right direction.
His corpse ought to be cut down into a pool of pigs blood and then be buried face-down pointed West.
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
6:50 pm
“Let’s just admit it. The Ryan Plan is the end of Medicare as we currently know it, correct?”
Keep, shifting the payment structure is not ending ANYTHING regarding the program.
There aren’t enough fainting couches for everyone who thinks Medicare is going away.
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
6:52 pm
NMRN: “Yes Mommie,”
Making fun of another poster’s handle marks you as a foolish person and not someone to be taken or treated seriously.
“Those Mafia kingpins,”
Kingpin or not, forced medication, restraints and beatings fall under cruel and unusual punishment and are Constitutionally-prohibited forms of punishment.
“terrorists,”
How many Gitmo inmates have been tried and found guilty, please? Those that have not been tried and found guilty are *accused* terrorists. An accusation does not make one guilty.
“gang leaders”
As with mafiosi above, forced medication, restraints and beatings fall under cruel and unusual punishment and are Constitutionally-prohibited forms of punishment.
“and cold-blooded killers”
Again, as with mafiosi and gang leaders above . . . go back and reread, please.
“deserve our mercy…”
I said nothing about mercy, and the thought did not enter my mind. Imprisoning someone for life is quite a good punishment; there’s no need to beat, restrain or drug them as well.
“You’re wacked Mom !!”
No, just scrupulous in my adherence to both the letter and the spirit of the law and the Constitution. I can’t speak for you, though.
“Those inmates should suffer 24 hrs a day until they die !”
You don’t suppose that people in jail might already *be* suffering by dint of their incarceration, do you?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 26th, 2011
6:55 pm
Dave, is it not an end to Medicare as we currently know it. Medicare will no longer pay and instead you will get a voucher applicable to the purchase of a private plan. Medicare beneficiarie will pay more for their own insurance accounting to the CBO. That is not ending anything??
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
6:58 pm
Thanks very much for that, Midori. He sounds tea-ish, but he doesn’t seem to explicitly associate himself with them.
Doggone/GA
April 26th, 2011
6:59 pm
“You don’t suppose that people in jail might already *be* suffering by dint of their incarceration, do you?”
You’re seriously missing the whole point. It’s all about “I want to see some punishment” Argus Filch
It doesn’t MATTER is they are guilty or not. As long as they are punished.
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
6:59 pm
“Medicare beneficiarie will pay more for their own insurance accounting to the CBO.”
And the CBO numbers have also been debunked by Politifact.
I’m sorry, but I haven’t believed in the CBO’s accuracy since the late Clinton years. They are entirely too beholden to whoever feeds them the data they are to massage. They’ve been wrong on virtually everything for the past dozen years.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
7:02 pm
Joe Mama
Why try to argue the rule of law as the fundamental of a democratic state with the emotional reactionary? It serves little or no purpose. We should be more concerned with how this present administration has kept in place policies from the previous one which are the antithesis of the rule of law in a democratic system…starting with habeas corpus. Until that is reinstated, it is all a matter of degree…just my thoughts on the matter…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 26th, 2011
7:08 pm
Dave, according to the article you cited in Politifact, the CBO has not been debunked. But does not matter because you apparently have your own assessment without evidence or basis.
Midori
April 26th, 2011
7:09 pm
He sounds tea-ish…………..
That just rolls off the tongue, doesn’t it?
md
April 26th, 2011
7:11 pm
“The Congressional Budget Office issued updated figures today that predict the budget deficit for fiscal year 2011 will be a flaming huge $1.5 trillion. That’s about $414 billion bigger than the CBO last August figured this year’s shortfall would be. And yes, it would be a record in terms of absolute dollar red ink for Uncle Sam.”
This was in January……5 whole months between estimates………..for those inclined to use the cbo as any kind of indicator………..
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
7:11 pm
Josef — “Why try to argue the rule of law as the fundamental of a democratic state with the emotional reactionary? It serves little or no purpose.”
Just so long as people who think like that aren’t working in law enforcement or corrections.
“We should be more concerned with how this present administration has kept in place policies from the previous one which are the antithesis of the rule of law in a democratic system…starting with habeas corpus.”
On that point, sir, we are in agreement. I am sorely disappointed in the President’s failure to undo his predecessor’s mistake in that area. Sorely disappointed indeed.
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
7:13 pm
Midori — “That just rolls off the tongue, doesn’t it?”
Not as well as “Tealiban,” I think.
Or Teahadi.
If they go all violent on us, we can call them Tearorrists.
Dave R.
April 26th, 2011
7:15 pm
Maybe you didn’t read this, Keep:
“Seniors will have to find $12,500 for health care because Republicans voted to end Medicare,” the ad says.
We found that Ryan’s plan for Medicare is a dramatic change of course, but we didn’t agree with the contention that the proposal ends Medicare. For this and other reasons, we rated it Pants on Fire.”
Plain as the nose on your face.
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
April 26th, 2011
7:16 pm
josef, did you hear about Phoebe Snow?
http://www.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/celebrity.news.gossip/04/26/phoebe.snow.obit/index.html?hpt=T2
RIP, Phoebe…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SESmndcKI0&feature=related
Paul
April 26th, 2011
7:16 pm
Like I’ve said, the only thing the ‘who would you support’ polls are good for at this point it to demonstrate name recognition.
Hi Midori!
That town hall video – kinda reminds you of this blog with audio, doesn’t it?
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
7:20 pm
AmVet — “RIP, Phoebe…”
I did not realize she was Jewish; I had always had the impression that she was African-American. She certainly had a unique voice and style.
Paul
April 26th, 2011
7:22 pm
Oh, and regarding Trump
One of the pundits on Fox the other night said “Anyone who thinks Pres Obama isn’t an American is nuts.”
Apologists said the Trump/birther issue was kept alive by the media. Now Trump’s started the ‘academic credentials’ line and he’s only himself to blame.
Krauthammer called Trump “the Al Sharpton of the Republican Party – provocateur and clown, he’s going to harm the Party if he runs.”
TaxPayer
April 26th, 2011
7:28 pm
I see some folks here are still in denial about the impact of Ryan’s yellow brick roadmap to the end of medicare and medicaid and food stamps, etc. The people at his town hall meeting spotted it and did not like it. After all, what is there for the average taxpaying voter to like about a GOP plan to throw the poor and elderly under the bus in order to give the billionaires another tax break while still allowing the national debt to go up and up and up and up, year after year after year. The GOP has just dumped one too many compound lies on we the people and it is finally catching up with them. Ewwwww.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
7:29 pm
AmVet
A truly great human being all the way around…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxJU1X1YSDE&feature=related
Midori
April 26th, 2011
7:31 pm
LOL – Great work, Joe
Hi Paul
That town hall video – kinda reminds you of this blog with audio, doesn’t it?
dammit!!! where’s my homemade signs???
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
7:31 pm
Joe Mama
It’s odd, but only AmVet and I seem to get in a dither about habeas corpus…I wonder just how many Americans have even the vaguest notion of what its suspension means?
Midori
April 26th, 2011
7:31 pm
hey — FURST!!!
Left wing management
April 26th, 2011
7:32 pm
TaxPayer: “After all, what is there for the average taxpaying voter to like about a GOP plan to throw the poor and elderly under the bus in order to give the billionaires another tax break while still allowing the national debt to go up and up and up and up, year after year after year”
Neoliberal garbage. Any way you spice it, it still tastes like garbage when it’s rammed down your throat.
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
April 26th, 2011
7:32 pm
Joe Mama, I didn’t either, until I saw her real surname – Laub. And then thought, “Hey I bet she’s one of us!”
Here are two white girls who had a bunch of soul between them…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDk_lroqZkY
And here are those same two songbirds crooning…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov3OCrNiZ_4&feature=related
poison pen
April 26th, 2011
7:33 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 26th, 2011
5:19 pm
Poison, you still beating your wife?
Nah, she’s to old, are you into the chain & whips stuff?
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
7:34 pm
AmVet
Well, I knew she was a MOT…just goes to show we’ve got soul!
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
April 26th, 2011
7:35 pm
It’s odd, but only AmVet and I seem to get in a dither about habeas corpus…
Call me crazy, but anytime anyone screws with the most sacred personal liberty ever concocted, I get a bit ditherish…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 26th, 2011
7:39 pm
are you into the chain & whips stuff?
Just like those righties, always trying to peek into your bedroom like the pervs they truly are. What a sad lot they be.
TaxPayer
April 26th, 2011
7:41 pm
Has anyone seen how much worse the Ryan plan actually is now that the Heritage Foundation has been forced to retract their claims of 2.8% unemployment. After all, that was the unemployment rate needed in order to get the original estimate of trillions of dollars of increase in the national debt and it can only get worse once more realistic unemployment rates are used.
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
7:41 pm
Midori — “LOL – Great work, Joe”
Oh, I couldn’t possibly take credit for someone else’s work. I saw all of those written elsewhere, but I can’t recall exactly where.
Thanks much for the nice thoughts, tho.
md
April 26th, 2011
7:42 pm
Habeas Corpus …. it’s all about the definitions and how one looks at it……….personally, I look at it like every other war and see them as pow’s……….that was mistake number one……..bringing them back here vs leaving them near the front lines………..
Dusty
April 26th, 2011
7:43 pm
Well, I hope everybody is happy to have established their incomparable and incompatible opinions. Never saw the like. Every’body knows all the dirt on ever’body and the cure for everything from political smallpox to double barrel dementia.!
Except JOSEF who gets all lushy over Bookman!! Wouldn’t ya know?
Well, go ahead, dear folks. You’ve still got a few hours to sling mud. Don’t waste a minute. GET WITH IT!!
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
7:43 pm
AmVet
The very fundamental of what makes us who we are in our freedom and liberty…
BTW
Phoebe was also Sephardic…lots of Sephardic influences in her music…
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
7:43 pm
Josef, I suspect that many Americans think that being jailed indefinitely without being charged couldn’t possibly happen to them, so they forgot that President Bush suspended habeas corpus shortly after he did it. I think it just doesn’t register on their radar.
I think it’s a disgrace that he did it, and as much of a disgrace that President Obama hasn’t undone that mistake.
poison pen
April 26th, 2011
7:44 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 26th, 2011
7:39 pm
are you into the chain & whips stuff?
Just like those righties, always trying to peek into your bedroom like the pervs they truly are. What a sad lot they be.
You brought it up first, so I guess you must be a pervert, that’s ok, you will fit right in with a few others on here.
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
7:46 pm
Josef: “Phoebe was also Sephardic…lots of Sephardic influences in her music…”
I wouldn’t know about that, but I remember being a preteen in the 70s and going “. . . w o w . . . ” the first time I heard “Poetry Man.” Wherever it came from, it sure wound up in a nice place.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
7:46 pm
DUSTY
I knew you’d chime in there! But, face it, he do know his letters! And it’s not lushy, just giving credit where credit is due…I’d say the same for you, you know, and I’d call you both as dense as the Black Forest of Germany on certain matters…Y’all are an awful lot alike, you know…that may be why I like you both…
Paul
April 26th, 2011
7:52 pm
AmVet – josef nix
We’ve likely had this discussion before, but the habeas corpus thing is, to me, a prime example of how we’re still muddling our way through this war with Islamists.
I’ve said before it’s not a war to which Geneva applies. It’s not a criminal action to which our criminal law applies. Just as war evolved and led to Geneva, so too we have an entirely new type of warfare we’ve been trying to hammer into our earlier legal systems.
The judicial, legislative and executive were on their way to hammering out an appropriate process which the Obama Administration halted. Now it’s appeared to have resumed.
But having said that, it’s the concept behind habeas, not the mechanism itself, that’s the concern. The tribunal system’s incorporated evidentiary hearings to assess the basis for detention, if I understand correctly. Many have been released (we detained a whole bunch of people on extremely questionable evidence, so a mechanism is needed).
But that is a separate issue from indefinite detention, which the Obama Administration has embraced. And as I pointed out lonnnnnng ago, for those who said Geneva should apply…. well, in this case, they got what they wanted, even if they didn’t know it.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
7:55 pm
Joe Mama
I have my own connection with “Poetry Man…” I was going through the last days of a long relationship with my married man at the time…”…you’re going home now, home’s that place you go each day to see your wife…”
Sephardic music blends the traditional Spanish-Moorish styles with the themes of wherever its performers are in time and place…here in America, it merged quickly and readily with the blues, jazz and gospel themes filtered through the Caribbean and the Southwest…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 26th, 2011
7:56 pm
josef, I think suspending habeas corpus is a problem. The writ is a consitutional right and applicable to Gitmo.
________________
Poison, child what silliness. I brought up whips and chains? Just a silly lie from you. Did you get a free spin at the Wheel of Moronality tonight?
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
7:57 pm
Habeas corpus…
Literal translation “you may have the body…” Popular idiom, “You took my client, Jack, and you better produce a body…dead or alive…but a body…”
Doggone/GA
April 26th, 2011
8:01 pm
“so they forgot that President Bush suspended habeas corpus shortly after he did it”
While flipping channels last night I saw a very short piece on some kind of report about Gitmo. They showed a sign on the fence there: “Honor bound to defend freedom” – on a prison fence.
md
April 26th, 2011
8:02 pm
Close Gitmo……….ship those that were caught on the battlefield to a pow camp in either Iraq or Afghanistan……….ship those not caught on the battlefield back to where they were picked up and let them fend for themselves……release the rest when the war is over.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
April 26th, 2011
8:04 pm
Jeeze, John Lewis running again. How long can this career politician continue to ride the back of MLK. He is the poster child for term limits.
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
8:07 pm
Josef — “Sephardic music blends the traditional Spanish-Moorish styles with the themes of wherever its performers are in time and place…here in America, it merged quickly and readily with the blues, jazz and gospel themes filtered through the Caribbean and the Southwest…”
And then I discovered punk and new wave a couple of years later, and it was all over. BTW, did you know that Poly Styrene of the X-Ray Spex just died also?
Bruno
April 26th, 2011
8:12 pm
Hey guys, had to drop by to give tribute to Phoebe Snow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OxTVxGhHFM
Jack
April 26th, 2011
8:15 pm
It won’t matter who’s on the GOP ticket, Bookman can’t vote against Obama.
Mr Right
April 26th, 2011
8:18 pm
While I wouldn’t vote for him against President Obama
Wow Jay, Thanks for telling us! I would have NEVER guessed ! Ha Ha !!
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
8:19 pm
Jack, I don’t think it’s a matter of being unable to vote against Obama. I think it’s a matter of being unable to vote *for* any of the likely GOP candidates.
Even if I were inclined to switch back to the GOP — which I’m not — I haven’t seen as uninspiring a slate of GOP candidates in many, many moons.
TaxPayer
April 26th, 2011
8:23 pm
Why vote GOP. If you want to do that, cut out the middle man and throw yourself under a GOP bus. You’ll save the GOP even more money that way and I’m sure they’ll be most grateful for that.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
8:25 pm
Joe Mama
I keep looking for that candidate I could vote FOR…hope springs eternal, but so far…nada
Dusty
April 26th, 2011
8:29 pm
Did someone mention PRESIDENT BUSH? Oh yeah, that one. And HE stopped HABEAS CORPUS? Oh yeah. Well, I guess your memory is a bit hazy because there was a little something going on at that time! LIke terrorists attacking us and killing two thousand Americans at one try?
Bush made every effort to protect this country from another attack and he did everything posible and it worked! You ingrates! Sitting here safe and sound and knocking the one who stopped the terror here in America. And Presdient Obama actually sees what Bush saw and sticks with it?
Oh well. When you are president you can change what doesn’t suit you. In the meantime, get a cup or tea or something and grin & bear it.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 26th, 2011
8:37 pm
Bush made every effort to protect this country from another attack and he did everything posible and it worked!
Well except for those times that it did not. And except for all those American troops who lost their lives in a war that had nothing to do with 9/11.
But yep, I am an ingrate when it comes to someone claiming they are “protecting me” by violating the US Constitution.
getalife
April 26th, 2011
8:38 pm
Dusty is still a loyal bushie.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
8:38 pm
DUSTY
Yeah, Bush walked on water, all right and if he did, then so does Obama…they didn’t “stop” habeas corpus, they suspended it…there’s a difference…and its suspension doesn’t apply on a pick and choose basis…right now, you could be plucked up, carted off and the authorities of state own no explanation whatsoever for what they have done with you or your body…that’s the reality…no hyperbole, no hysterics, no drama queen…just plain reality…
BTW on a lighter note. the house wren’s babies are hatched and peeping to beat the band!
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
8:40 pm
“Did someone mention PRESIDENT BUSH? Oh yeah, that one. And HE stopped HABEAS CORPUS? Oh yeah. Well, I guess your memory is a bit hazy because there was a little something going on at that time! LIke terrorists attacking us and killing two thousand Americans at one try?”
Irrelevant. The Constitution itself forbids the suspension of habeas corpus.
And I’m not some shrinking violet who needs to be insulated from the big, bad world. I was in Washington on 9/11, for crying out loud. I SAW what happened there. And my wife lost a good friend in the North Tower of the WTC that day.
If you think our rights and freedoms are so easily disposable just because you got a little shiver down your spine, then I’d say you need to strap on a pair of nuts and man up.
“Bush made every effort to protect this country from another attack and he did everything posible and it worked!”
No, he didn’t, and no, it didn’t.
“You ingrates!”
Screw President Bush.
“Sitting here safe and sound and knocking the one who stopped the terror here in America.”
Oh, PLEASE. He didn’t stop terror. Quivering, terrified pups like yourself, who will gladly sacrifice our rights and freedoms for a pat on the head and a little reassurance are always among us. Stop being an alarmist.
“And Presdient Obama actually sees what Bush saw and sticks with it?”
I can’t speak for President Obama and what he sees. But his track record on protecting us from terrorism is already better than President Bush’s. After all, President Obama got us past his first September 11 in office without letting a massive terror attack slip through his fingers.
“Oh well. When you are president you can change what doesn’t suit you.”
And right now, I can say whatever I like about it.
“In the meantime, get a cup or tea or something and grin & bear it.”
Maybe you should have done that yourself after 9/11. Or were you too busy cleaning the skid marks out of your tidy whities?
Dusty
April 26th, 2011
8:45 pm
Keep,
You don’t worry about the Constitution. You worry about missing the next meeting of Auntie’s Antiwar Auxiliary.. Your idea of protection is to run with a butterfly net.
Forgive me, but we are so fortunate to have people who see the value of actually protecting this country. Whining and dining won’t do it, Keep. But keep trying. We need and allow all kinds in this great country of ours.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
8:47 pm
JOE MAMA
Well, I will say this for Bush, he did come out as OUR president in the days following the attack, spoke to us in OUR language, reassured us and, most importantly, told us not to fall prey to attacking our Muslim and Arab fellow Americans or repeat the mistakes of Manzanar…
Yes, he blew it later with the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus and any number of other things in the name of “protecting the nation…”
RB from Gwinnett
April 26th, 2011
8:49 pm
Joe, from below…. I believe the percentage of D’s endorsed by the AJC editorial board is in the neighborhood of 95%. Jay can correct me if that number is wrong, but I’m pretty sure it’s north of 90%.
And that’s the editorial board you think leans my way, Joe. You really don’t pay very close attention to what’s going on do you? There may be some conservatives who work at the AJC, but make no mistake about it, the people who control the content at that fading at double the national average newspaper are totin’ the socialist party flag and the conservatives are nothing more than window dressing.
And no, I don’t wish Fox News were the only outlet. I wish the other major networks had remained objective and there had never been a need for Fox News. But I don’t expect you to understand that because you likely can’t even see the bias in the MSM because you agree with their one sided view of everything. That would make YOU part of the problem.
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
8:50 pm
DUSTY
This great country of ours is predicated on a single document, the Constitution. We alone of the world’s nations owe our very identity to that document. Abrogate it, trample on it, suspend it and you have abrogated, trampled on and suspended our greatness…
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
8:54 pm
Josef — “Well, I will say this for Bush, he did come out as OUR president in the days following the attack, spoke to us in OUR language, reassured us and, most importantly, told us not to fall prey to attacking our Muslim and Arab fellow Americans or repeat the mistakes of Manzanar…”
He did. And some of our fellow Americans went right ahead and did it anyway. At least one Sikh — an Indian faith whose adherents wear turbans — was shot dead in the days after 9/11. Can’t these primates even learn to HATE right?
“Yes, he blew it later with the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus and any number of other things in the name of “protecting the nation…”
I’m a disabled veteran, and I find it offensive — especially when people who’ve never served say it — for people to suggest that we need to suspend our rights in order to defend ourselves. Those of us who volunteer to take up arms are the ones who are doing the defending, not the mewling whiners who demand that they not only be MADE safe, but that they be made to FEEL safe.
It’s a big, scary world, and the sooner people learn to not overreact to the scary parts, the better for all of us.
Now I’m going to sign off and go fool around with my wife. Dusty, try not to pee yourself while I’m gone.
Dusty
April 26th, 2011
8:55 pm
No, JOSEF, Bush did not walk on water. He simply did what gave us more protection. And as you said, he suspended habeas corpus. (I happen to know what habeas corpus means and where to find its legality.) “Suspends” implies it is temporary and it is. Perhaps you do not like war measures and yet you liberals do seem to notice that we are fighting on many fronts. And for what? To overcome terrorism & tyranny. Relax and think again and be thankful you are FREE.
PS: glad the little wrens made it. BUT WATCH THAT CAT!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 26th, 2011
8:55 pm
Dusty, I’ll worry about protecting the Constitution. It’s a free country after all thanks to many who have worried about protecting the country againt those who would ignore the Consitution.
RW-(the original)
April 26th, 2011
9:01 pm
Abrogate it, trample on it, suspend it and you have abrogated, trampled on and suspended our greatness
Except that the Constitution has been abrogated, trampled on and I would replace suspended with ignored for a long, long time before Bush or Obama came along.
Yippee
April 26th, 2011
9:02 pm
That dead rotting possum on the side of the road could beat Obama in my opinion. The guy is book smart but on the ground dumber than a bag of rocks. Even a whole bunch of those that propelled him into his current position as president now realize they were hoodwinked. The reality is that the job is just too much for any inexperienced egghead. He has no experience running anything but his mouth. He hasn’t hired or managed and it shows. Ideals are great at cocktail parties and in fund raising letters, but IDEAS and EXPERIENCE are the stuff our country now needs. And no, raising taxes and whipping up class warfare do not pass for ideas, at least not good ideas. He will be out after one term and will go down as one of the most misguided presidents in our history. Its true!
Joe Mama
April 26th, 2011
9:02 pm
RB — this will be the last post I put up tonight.
“And that’s the editorial board you think leans my way, Joe.”
D = Tucker, Bookman.
R = Wooten, Wingfield + at least 1/2 of Bob Barr.
Result: tilted toward conservatives.
QED.
“You really don’t pay very close attention to what’s going on do you?”
A lot closer attention than you apparently do. You seem to have trouble counting to five.
“There may be some conservatives who work at the AJC, but make no mistake about it, the people who control the content at that fading at double the national average newspaper are totin’ the socialist party flag”
Show me a picture of “the socialist party flag,” you incredibly tedious person. Go ahead. I’ll bookmark this thread so I can come back later and see it.
“and the conservatives are nothing more than window dressing.”
Hey, Kyle? This guy in Gwinnett just called you “window dressing.” How’s it feel to be a set of drapes? (laughing, pointing)
“And no, I don’t wish Fox News were the only outlet. I wish the other major networks had remained objective and”
Oh. When, *exactly,* were those other networks objective? And what changed?
“there had never been a need for Fox News.”
There’s no NEED for Fox News, any more than there’s a NEED for CNN, MSNBC or CNBC.
“But I don’t expect you to understand that because you likely can’t even see the bias in the MSM because you agree with their one sided view of everything.”
You have absolutely no idea what I think or agree with, and you have no standing whatsoever to speak for me. You’re a presumptuous jerk, presuming to know what I think.
“That would make YOU part of the problem.”
Then let’s see you *do* something about it, tough guy. Bring it on.
Now I’m going to go play with my wife. You should probably go play with yours, if you have one. It might help you with that anger management problem you appear to have. (laughing)
josef nix
April 26th, 2011
9:03 pm
DUSTY
Lincoln suspended the writ. Davis did not.
Gotta go before Imam Torquemada fatwas me for that one!
Y’all keep Georgia’s little ones in your thoughts and prayers tomorrow…they’ve got their own inquisition to face with the CRCT
http://www.henry.k12.ga.us/uge/crct.htm
Dusty
April 26th, 2011
9:05 pm
Joe Mama,
You are a disabled veteran and there is all appreciation for that.
But you are off on a useless tirade because I see what President Bush and people like you have done for this country. We ARE FREE and that is why we stay that way. It is because we will fight for what we believe in. We have people who are strong enough to lead us in tough times. President Bush was one of them.
But do not worry about me skidding on my “tidy whities” as you put it. Sometimes I wear pink and I never skid at the thought of pursuing liberty for this country. I like being free.
Dusty
April 26th, 2011
9:09 pm
JOSEF,
I know you are leaving (retreating!). If terrorists ever gain control of this country, our constitution will be a piece of paper on the burning pile. habeas corpus will have rigor mortis. think about it.
Best wishes for the school kiddies tomorrow. They deserve all the love we can give them.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 26th, 2011
9:15 pm
If terrorists ever gain control of this country, our constitution will be a piece of paper on the burning pile. habeas corpus will have rigor mortis
And if martians or aliens ever gain control, the result could be the same. Then again, more likely that the loss of freedom for this country would come from within by those who would exchange freedom for a false sense of security.
RB from Gwinnett
April 26th, 2011
9:15 pm
Joe, by your “logic” we need about 10 more Fox News channels to equal NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, MTV, The Comedy Channel, etc. etc, etc.
Thank you for your service, Joe, but I’m glad you no longer have anything to do with the future of our country cause you aren’t that bright.
Yippee
April 26th, 2011
9:18 pm
The schoolkids are our future. We need to save them from the teacher unions; biased and factually deficient textbooks; and liberal indoctrination. The truth ain’t always pretty or sugarcoated.
Dusty
April 26th, 2011
9:21 pm
KEEP,
I don’t have a false sense of security. I KNOW there are strong people who love this country just like me. And they are doing their darndest to keep it that way.
I admit I’m a bit squeamish about riding MARTA at midnight but other than that…you can take my security blanket and enjoy the real thing!!
buck@gon
April 26th, 2011
9:32 pm
“only remaining potential candidate with a firm grounding in this factual universe”
Anyone awaiting Bookman to look behind him and find our sitting President without a firm grounding in this factual universe will be sorely disappointed.
But we are disappointed in both of them…everyday.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 26th, 2011
9:32 pm
Dusty, fake patriots are a dime a dozen. But thanks for your support. The strong people will continue to be sure that efforts to violate the Constitution are stopped. You keep believing that the Bush lies about Iraq somehow kept you safe or that closing Gitmo will put you in danger. Enjoy your blankie, if riding MARTA at midnight makes you squeamish, you’re going to need it.
buck@gon
April 26th, 2011
9:34 pm
Extreme Makeover, political edition is unnecessary for the left-wingers because they sell themselves everywhere and always as all things to all people.
…and the Jay Bookmans of the world let them scoot by with that crap.
Tommy Maddox
April 26th, 2011
9:39 pm
“…Islamaphobia rampant on the right…”
Well, those non-descript folks who flew aircraft into our buildings and killed Americans, if you mean them, then yes.
Midori
April 26th, 2011
9:44 pm
Dusty — misplace your broom again, Dear?
Jay
April 26th, 2011
9:45 pm
Somehow, buck, I shall endeavor to live with the burden of your disappointment.
Wish me luck.
Dusty
April 26th, 2011
9:48 pm
Keep, poor baby,
I’m sorry you know so many “fake patriots”. I don’t think I know any. No one I know is running around saying “the sky is falling, Gitmo is closing, the constitution is crumbling”. Nope.
You better stay away from those political gatherings of yours. You are meeting the wrong people, “fake patriots” et al.
By the way, you obviously have evidence that Bush lied. Why not give it to AG Eric Holder? Don’t wait. I am sure you would not make accusations without evidence.
kayaker 71
April 26th, 2011
9:52 pm
It just seems that liberals just close their eyes to those things that they don’t want to confront. The fact that Saudi Muslims invaded our country and killed thousands of people. A debt crisis that rivals no other in our history,,,,, a housing market that just won’t seem to get it’s groove back….. mounting unrest about illegals in this country….. people out of work for over three or so years…… borrowing all that money from our chief rival in the world power contest….. None of this seems to bother liberals. They make up some excuse to cover Bozo’s backside and continue to spew the same old hate rhetoric, ignoring the obvious. We keep on making the same old mistakes and wander aimlessly expecting a different outcome. Perhaps we need a narcissist like Trump to put it all in perspective….. someone to confront those that Bozo long ago gave up trying. The comb over has to go, however but you can keep that first lady. What a fox. Certainly an improvement over present company.
finn mccool
April 26th, 2011
9:53 pm
Well well well, looks like ryan is facing some angry voters in his townhall meetings this week. I guess republican voters aren’t as dumb as ryan and his ilk think they are.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
April 26th, 2011
9:54 pm
Seems as though every time I check into this blog regardless of the actual topic, I see some folks lost in a time warp where they appear to still believe George Bush is President with Dick Cheney as his Vice President. Weird!
Tommy Maddox
April 26th, 2011
9:54 pm
Oh don’t call them Muslims. That would be wrong!
Tommy Maddox
April 26th, 2011
9:55 pm
Finn – did you check their political affiliation? No? Please try again.
TaxPayer
April 26th, 2011
9:56 pm
Should all the cons on here be consuming such excesses of alcoholic beverages on a weeknight! What manner of Ford Focus or Chevy Volt will you be assembling come Wednesday. Oops! Excuse me. I meant to say Kia or Hyundai. Fords and Chevys are so passe.
getalife
April 26th, 2011
9:56 pm
“I guess republican voters aren’t as dumb as ryan and his ilk think they are.”
Some of them are standing up for their Medicare.
We should have unity on this issue.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 26th, 2011
9:59 pm
Dusty..stick around and read this blog. I’m sure you’ll see a lot of claims that the sky is falling and this country is 3d rate (ask jm at 6:06). Or you could go back and look at those tea party claims of “taking back my country”. We’ll just keep working through the courts and winning Supreme Court cases on the habeaus issue.
Which lie do you want to send to Holder? When is Bush going to Spain? How about that poor Scooter Libby — good thing he got a pardon.
Mick
April 26th, 2011
10:01 pm
Yes, paul ryan is getting toasted and deservedly so….people just can’t take this tax cuts for the wealthy any more, it’s giving obama wind behind his sails…at some point the repubs in the house need to come up with a jobs bill, that’s the real reason they won in 2010, where are the jobs???
TnGelding
April 26th, 2011
10:04 pm
Ryan’s plan is a ruse. He continues to raise the debt ceiling because he won’t raise taxes. His baseline for Medicare in 10 years is lower than what it is now. And Obama can’t get off of his tax the rich fallacy. Yes, they can pay more, but the rest of us are going to HAVE to, as well, if we want to stop adding to the debt.
The Burger King
April 26th, 2011
10:08 pm
check yo self befo u wreck yo self
rooster
April 26th, 2011
10:08 pm
Trump needs to get the critter man up to the penthouse to deal with that thing on his head.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
April 26th, 2011
10:08 pm
“It’s giving obama wind behind his sails”
It’s giving Obama wind from behind alright but it’s wind from between his behind cheeks and it’s kind of melting his sails.
TnGelding
April 26th, 2011
10:11 pm
The jobs are beig performed by hard working Americans producing more and better goods in dollar value than ever before. Not to mention the huge and strong service sector. Those that have invested in themselves wisely are prospering and corporate America is thriving. And yes, they like the “weaker” dollar. Many of those that lost jobs have taken early retirement and started drawing SS benefits. They were prepared for a rainy day, and Mr. MBA/USA unleashed a torrent.
Dusty
April 26th, 2011
10:16 pm
Keep, baby,
I don’t spend day & night on blogs. That’s why I enjoy the contact with many others. They may worry about our country but they never put it down. They understand the “tea party” just like any other protest group that wants their voice heard. It’s the American way. They do not belong to the “sky is falling crowd”, like those you seem to know.
I do not believe that Bush lied. He certainly did not lie about 9/11. He simply stood up and told us to be strong.
YOU are the one who said Bush lied. Therefore present your evidence. Otherwise you don’t have a case and you never will. Just another liberal “snowflake in hell”.
Goodnight. Getting late…
TnGelding
April 26th, 2011
10:17 pm
Obama is a different kind of president, that’s for sure. It’s good that he has a personal life but it contributes to the perception, true or not, that he doesn’t take the job that seriously. We could use some symbolism, ala Jimmy, from him about now.
finn mccool
April 26th, 2011
10:18 pm
Republicans in florida are trying to make it more difficult to run voter registration drives. Pathetic. Let’s make it more difficult for people to register to vote- in a democracy!
md
April 26th, 2011
10:29 pm
“And Obama can’t get off of his tax the rich fallacy.”
It’s on page one of the class warfare handbook………why would he get off it?
There is a segment of folks in this country that it plays very well too……those that love to vote for others to do what they choose not to do themselves…………..
Mick
April 26th, 2011
10:31 pm
After 911, all I remember bush saying was to go shopping, nothing about being strong.
Doggone/GA
April 26th, 2011
10:32 pm
“Let’s make it more difficult for people to register to vote- in a democracy!”
But don’t you see…we have to be protected from all that massive voter fraud that occurs every time we elect a D President.
Mick
April 26th, 2011
10:33 pm
**There is a segment of folks in this country that it plays very well too……those that love to vote for others to do what they choose not to do themselves…**
That’s such bs, people are sick of everyone being told to sacrifice except those with the most still need their precious tax cuts. Why are they so protected and defended by repubs? Enough already…
Doggone/GA
April 26th, 2011
10:34 pm
” all I remember bush saying was to go shopping, nothing about being strong.”
to be fair, he did warn against blaming all Muslims for the attacks.
md
April 26th, 2011
10:36 pm
“That’s such bs, people are sick of everyone being told to sacrifice except those with the most still need their precious tax cuts. Why are they so protected and defended by repubs? Enough already…”
Gee Mick……which Mick thinks it’s bs…the one that used to say tax only the rich, or the other one that changed to tax everyone?
md
April 26th, 2011
10:38 pm
And the part about going shopping was actually smart………….it was bad enough that the airline industry took an immediate dive, we didn’t need the rest of the economy tanking too.
Mick
April 26th, 2011
10:41 pm
md
Ryans’s plan is doa, you know where I stand, go back to the tax levels during clinton, everyone steps up to the plate. Regardless, the wealthy have been kicking back just loving all the rubes who carry their water who seem to be saying, “thank you sir, may I have another”?
Doggone/GA
April 26th, 2011
10:42 pm
“And the part about going shopping was actually smart”
and I thought it was disgustingly insensitive. And I still do.
maude
April 26th, 2011
10:46 pm
“I’ll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office.” –GW Washington, D.C., May 12, 2008
md
April 26th, 2011
10:47 pm
“and I thought it was disgustingly insensitive. And I still do.”
Well….most I know that had small businesses had no problem with it what so ever…….life didn’t stop on that day, and many had jobs they preferred to keep……..telling folks to keep the economy going vs more suffering is hardly insensitive………..
TnGelding
April 26th, 2011
10:49 pm
Shopping for dollars! Bush contributed greatly to the airlines’ woes when he ordered them to land at the nearest airport. The horse was out of the barn at that point. Why weren’t they allowed to continue to their destinations under heightened alert? And I thought so at the time. But the real misake was not alerting the FAA of the increased terrorist threat and ignoring the advice of the outgoing Clinton administration. The fact that all four skyjacking attempts succeeded is mind boggling.
md
April 26th, 2011
10:50 pm
“Ryans’s plan is doa, you know where I stand, go back to the tax levels during clinton, everyone steps up to the plate.”
Which doesn’t play well in the real world of politics……..class warfare works better when it comes to getting votes…………
You may be in favor of tax increases for all, but neither party is, and a large segment of one’s base is absolutely against it………..hence the need for warfare.
Doggone/GA
April 26th, 2011
10:51 pm
“telling folks to keep the economy going vs more suffering is hardly insensitive”
We lost 3000+ people is the worst attack on US soil in over a century and you think it was good to say “don’t worry, be happy”, go shopping?
I still think it’s disgusting.
TnGelding
April 26th, 2011
10:53 pm
Shopping is as American as bankruptcy.
md
April 26th, 2011
10:55 pm
“Why weren’t they allowed to continue to their destinations under heightened alert?”
Because there was no way of knowing how many hijacking crews were in our midst……a plane not in the air can’t be hijacked and flown into a target.
md
April 26th, 2011
10:57 pm
“We lost 3000+ people is the worst attack on US soil in over a century and you think it was good to say “don’t worry, be happy”, go shopping?”
All a matter of context………you actually think he meant go have fun at the mall?
He meant continue on with life, and he knew darn well what the ramifications to the economy were going to be……
Doggone/GA
April 26th, 2011
11:02 pm
“All a matter of context”
I can’t put 3000 murdered people into a “context” of living normally.
TnGelding
April 26th, 2011
11:06 pm
How much has the attacks on 09/11 cost us? $3 trillion? Not to mention the precious lives of those blindly serving their CinC. That’s what the GOP should be railing about, not Obama’s stimulus.
A plane where the cockpit is on alert would be very hard to skyjack.
Night all! Get some good, sound sleep. We’re going to need it to survive this election process and budget skirmish.
Bush knew he had screwed up big time by not taking the swarming flies seriously.
md
April 26th, 2011
11:20 pm
“I can’t put 3000 murdered people into a “context” of living normally.”
Well…..then maybe you will want to read this:
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepresidentandcabinet/a/did-bush-say-go-shopping-after-911.htm
Might make your argument a bit moot…………..
md
April 26th, 2011
11:23 pm
“A plane where the cockpit is on alert would be very hard to skyjack.”
3, 4, 5 against 2………I don’t like those odds.
Hillbilly Deluxe
April 26th, 2011
11:26 pm
3, 4, 5 against 2………I don’t like those odds.
Especially if the 3,4,5 are armed and the 2 aren’t.
Jason
April 26th, 2011
11:47 pm
Good night all the libs out there. Tomorrow instead of blogging 15 times in faux stallone fashion maybe reach into your on wallet and help someone. anyway- just a thought.
oldguy
April 27th, 2011
12:21 am
sooo funny Jay….soooo funny!!!!”worried for the future of the country!!”…..and you vote for Obomba!!!!
Sooooo funny!!
As if you would even think of voting for anyone else.
God vs Obomba Jay votes the O man.
As we all know he walks on water (that’s Obomba of course!)
Another meaningless column.
Save us time:
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Obama good….Republicans bad
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St Simons - we're on Island time
April 27th, 2011
12:34 am
woo hoo they’ve gone past teleprompter, caliphate, Kenyan, and socialist, and reached all the way back to 911. Hey. when you’re down to a noun, verb, and 911 – its time to go boil some mo shrimp.
Hootinanny Yum Yum
April 27th, 2011
1:08 am
Headline from the AJC, “4 people shot in DeKalb County”.
For the life of me, I can’t figure out why all the DeKalb county school superintendent candidates bailed.
First, Clayton county schools. Then, Atlanta Public Schools. Now, DeKalb county.
Like dominoes. Next?
SouthernGirl2
April 27th, 2011
2:15 am
Paul Ryan’s Plan to Gut Medicare Stirs Anger at Town Halls: Naw Son, They’re Not Buying What You’re Selling
http://3chicspolitico.com/2011/04/26/paul-ryans-plan-to-gut-medicare-stirs-anger-at-town-halls-naw-son-theyre-not-buying-whats-youre-selling/#comments
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April 27th, 2011
6:30 am
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Mary Elizabeth
April 27th, 2011
6:56 am
SouthernGirl2 @ 2:15 a.m.
Thank you for posting these 7 revealing videos. I want to urge readers to view, also, the video available immediately after the completion of the first video (”Paul Ryan Get Booed for Supporting Wealthy Tax Break”).
Instead of selecting “replay” for that first video, select instead the video available in that frame which is entitled, “Report: Koch Brothers Buy Politicians.” It brings daylight into darkness.
stands for decibels
April 27th, 2011
7:10 am
Oh, do sign it, Mitch. Make my day.
While Democrats in Congress blocked Republicans from defunding Planned Parenthood earlier this month, some states have responded with their own measures to pull funding for the nonprofit. One such state is Indiana — putting to the test Republican Gov. Mitch Daniels’s call for a truce on social issues.
If the state legislature passes a Senate bill and Daniels signs it, Indiana would become the first state to block Medicaid recipients from receiving care at Planned Parenthood. A similar bill is in working its way through the Kansas legislature, with the support of Gov. Sam Brownback (R).
Though he says he is firmly anti-abortion, Daniels has repeatedly made the case that Republicans should put aside such issues in 2012 to focus on economic problems. “We’re going to need to unify all kinds of people, and we’re going — freedom is going — to need every friend it can get,” he explained in a recent interview.
stands for decibels
April 27th, 2011
7:13 am
More about this brilliant bill, brought to you by the fine folks who work tirelessly to keep women down and in a world of sh-t:
The measure has implications beyond one organization, however, because federal law generally prevents states from deciding which family planning services Medicaid patients can use. That means that Indiana could forfeit all $4 million it receives in federal family planning funding, Family and Social Services Administration Secretary Michael Gargano told the Associated Press. That would leave 22,000 low-income residents without access to family planning services according to Betty Cockrum, executive director of Planned Parenthood Indiana. The bill has been filed as an “emergency” measure, meaning its provisions go into effect immediately.
While the Planned Parenthood “cut” appears to save money, it could actually end up costing the state. Indiana’s Family and Social Services Administration says that more than half the births in Indiana are paid for by Medicaid, and that percentage is almost certain to increase if thousands of women lose access to contraceptives.
stands for decibels
April 27th, 2011
7:35 am
I could certainly envision Daniels as president without fearing for the future of my country.
Well sure, inasmuch as how the country would still function under a Pres. Daniels. It’d just be more messed up than it is today, is all.
There’s no way anyone could read his “red menace” CPAC speech and not deem him just another GOP fiscal nutter, albeit a bit more clever than most in how he tries to convince us that the GOP places trust “in average people [...] confident in their ability to decide wisely for themselves, on the important matters of their lives.”
Although, seriously, if he does show that he means what he says about calling a “truce” on social issues like criminalizing abortion and such (actually vetoing the “defund Planned Parenthood” bill that will come before him soon would actually send a signal that he means what he says), I might be willing to deem him Less Than Horrible.
independent thinker
April 27th, 2011
7:46 am
I still cannot figure out how the Republicans get all these bozos and no-nothings in those little clown cars?
willydoit?
April 27th, 2011
7:55 am
It really doesn’t matter who the republicans run….Obama will lose in a landslide just as Jimmy Carter did.
Americans as a whole are more interested in entertainment than they are in politics, but they are smart enough to know that with a panty waste liberal in the White House, that apoligizes to the rest of the world for US being strong (see Jimmy Carter), with no extra money in their pockets to go to said “entertainment venues”, and higher energy prices…all adds up to…nah nah nah nah, nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey…good bye…OBAMA
Corey
April 27th, 2011
7:55 am
Parker Stanea, 28, told officers a diminutive teen, no taller than 5-foot-4 and wearing a pink shirt, hit him with a soda can over the left eye. Stanea said the youths then pushed him to the ground and stole his wallet.
Speaking publicly for first time about the assault, Stanea, whose comments were supplied by MARTA, said news accounts exaggerated the severity of the incident.
“For some reason, the media made this out to be like it was a horror movie, but it wasn’t,” he said.
DebbieDoRight
April 27th, 2011
8:02 am
I still cannot figure out how the Republicans get all these bozos and no-nothings in those little clown cars?
They use butter……
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 27th, 2011
8:05 am
In NAACP v. Alabama (1958), the court barred Alabama from forcing the NAACP to disclose its members. Those justices would have struck down a similar effort to force the release of the NAACP’s financial supporters. They would have rightly viewed it as an infringement of the constitutional right to free association and free speech.
Today President Obama is ignoring the lessons of the civil rights era he claims to revere. According to a draft executive order leaked last week, Mr. Obama plans to require any company seeking a federal contract to disclose its executives’ political contributions over $5,000—not just to candidates, but to any group that might make “independent expenditure” or “electioneering communication” advertisements.
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Obozo: Fascist.
TaxPayer
April 27th, 2011
8:05 am
They use butter……
A well lubed machine, eh! I’m glad I wasn’t sipping coffee when I saw that one.
independent thinker
April 27th, 2011
8:07 am
It must be the grease from the payoffs they get from big oil for those billion dollar subsidies
TaxPayer
April 27th, 2011
8:08 am
Lil BB is gonna have himself convinced to vote for Obama in no time given his continued painting of him as the perfect little Republican.
stands for decibels
April 27th, 2011
8:09 am
“For some reason, the media made this out to be like it was a horror movie, but it wasn’t,” he said.
Oh, he exaggerates. People handled this story Very Responsibly. See also this account, which more or less reflects the attitudes of our Very Serious Conservative contributors who wrote to Jay asking him why he wasn’t giving this piece wall-to-wall coverage.
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(and no, I didn’t go looking for that sorta link–it popped up fifth in line when I googled the victim’s name.)
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 27th, 2011
8:13 am
More about this brilliant bill, brought to you by the fine folks who work tirelessly to keep women down and in a world of sh-t:
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Did you know that it is possible to get health care even if someone else isn’t paying?
The entitlement mentality cultivated by the Democrat party is a tragedy for this country.
stands for decibels
April 27th, 2011
8:15 am
Did you know that it is possible to get health care even if someone else isn’t paying?
no, really, my Lil’ Bitter ‘Bagger? Explain. Enlighten me. I had no idea!
Finn McCool
April 27th, 2011
8:16 am
They use butter……
Pronounce it like Paula Dean: “buddahh”
USinUK
April 27th, 2011
8:16 am
“They use butter……”
That would make Julia Childs weep
stands for decibels
April 27th, 2011
8:16 am
And Lil’ BB, while you’re at it, why don’t you explain to everyone here why you claimed earlier that eliminating Medicaid–your word, “eliminate”–would be great first step toward fiscal health?
Finn McCool
April 27th, 2011
8:17 am
Did you know that it is possible to get health care even if someone else isn’t paying?
And all those retirees who have worked and HAVE paid taxes to go to paying for it? They are somehow freeloadin’?
USinUK
April 27th, 2011
8:18 am
“The entitlement mentality cultivated by the Democrat party is a tragedy for this country.”
hooray!!! I’ll play!!
“The entitlement mentality cultivated by the Republican party is a tragedy for this country.”
wah-wah-waaaaahhhhhhh … I don’t WANNA pay taxes!!! I want the worlds biggest and mightiest army and I want to get us into all kinds of wars and I want cops and firemen and secure borders and safe food and drugs and roads to drive my big ol car on but I don’ wanna pay for ANY of it!!!
stands for decibels
April 27th, 2011
8:24 am
whoa. news-to-me sheets upstairs…
Jay
April 27th, 2011
8:26 am
That’s some weird stuff, sfd, and yes, just a more blatant version of what we heard here.
UNinUK, very well put.
Fresh sheets upstairs.
independent thinker
April 27th, 2011
8:39 am
and US in Uk I want to make big profits like GE, ship all the jobs overseas for cheap labor and get government contracts and pay no taxes.I bet their execs figured out how to get big bonus with little or no taxes due to the Bush tax cuts. and I want the seniors on medicare to get free drugs so the vote Republican and make sure Big Pharma benefits too with no restrictions on what garbage they sell to seniors at any price so they can advertise on TV for the latest and bewst free drugs,
lynnie gal
April 27th, 2011
8:49 am
It’ll be good for the Democrats if Republicans keep going on the birther issues and keep Trump first in the polls. It’s fun while it lasts…
David A. Staples
April 27th, 2011
9:06 am
I’m supporting Gary Johnson – http://www.garyjohnson2012.com
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 27th, 2011
9:12 am
USukInUK: I don’t WANNA pay taxes!!! I want the worlds biggest and mightiest army and I want to get us into all kinds of wars and I want cops and firemen and secure borders and safe food and drugs and roads to drive my big ol car on but I don’ wanna pay for ANY of it!!!
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Link please.
That’s what I thought.
poison pen
April 27th, 2011
9:22 am
Independent Thinker, very well put, dirty sheet upstairs.
Dr. EB
April 27th, 2011
7:45 pm
With the show The Apprentice, I was starting to like Trump. He had gotten on my nerves a little before then, but now I cannot stand him. The certificate episode has made him look like a fool. I do not think that he will run and think that this is a side-show. However, a Trump administration cannot do any worse than the train wreck of an administration that this country had from 2001-09. Let’s not forget.
test
April 29th, 2011
5:23 pm
:gunfinger: