Birtherism: The monster that ate the GOP
Top Republican leaders have begun a belated effort to squash the birther theory that threatens to define their party as a bunch of lunatics, at least among those many Americans who don’t share the obsessions of the GOP base.
But I have no sympathy, because they brought this on themselves.
As far back as the 2008 campaign, the core of the Republican marketing strategy has been to discredit Barack Obama by depicting him as the much-feared “other” — an unAmerican, even anti-American, Muslim, anti-colonial socialist Kenyan, etc. The notion never really penetrated the general population, but among much of the GOP base it has grown into an article of faith, as much a sign of Republican fealty as a no-tax pledge and the adoration of Ronald Reagan. From its humble beginnings in the fertile imaginations of Orly Taitz and others, it has become the GOP’s Frankenstein, a monstrous creation that they no longer control and in fact now fear.
It has, for example, given them a nightmare called Donald Trump, who has used the birther issue to rise to near-frontrunner status among potential GOP presidential candidates. But remember, Trump did not create that sentiment; opportunist that he is, he merely tapped into what was already there. In fact, by saying outright what other GOP candidates had been coyly suggesting or hinting at, he kind of gave the game away. He made explicit what the party establishment had tried to keep implicit, and by doing so forced them to finally confront it.
But it may be too late. Just this week, a New York Times poll found that 45 percent of Republican voters profess to believe that Obama was born elsewhere; only 33 percent would admit the truth, that he was born in Hawaii. (A Fox News poll earlier this month showed similar numbers).
In Arizona, the arch-conservative governor, Jan Brewer, was forced to veto a bill this week that would have required Obama to produce his “long-form” birth certificate to get on that state’s ballot in 2012. The bill had passed the Arizona House 40-18 and the Senate 20-9.
In Louisiana, Gov. Bobby Jindal has announced he will sign such a bill if it reaches his desk. Oklahoma is about to pass such a law as well.
And here in Georgia, of course, state Rep. Mark Hatfield initially enlisted a majority of his House colleagues to sign on as cosponsors of a birther bill until saner heads prevailed. But Hatfield hasn’t given up:
“If one state passes, and the Obama administration basically ignores the requirement and does not qualify for the ballot in that state, that would send a very strong signal that we have a situation in the United States where someone who is not eligible is occupying the White House,” the Waycross Republican said this week, noting that “other states, including Georgia, have a duty to step up.” Such legislation is guaranteed to keep the issue in the political spotlight.
The point man for the GOP establishment’s effort to repudiate its illegitimate offspring has been Karl Rove, which itself is telling. Rove doesn’t have to run for anything, and he risks nothing with his unequivocal repudiation of birtherism. But party figures, including presidential hopefuls, who are dependent on the GOP base for votes don’t dare to be so blunt about the ridiculous nature of the charge.
Rove, in fact, has even tried to suggest that the whole thing is some plot against the GOP concocted by the White House, which would be very cool if true. Alas, it is not. Others on the right have demanded that the president save them from themselves by doing something, anything, that would end the debate. But why? If your opposition is self-destructing, why on earth would you come to their rescue?
Besides, nothing Obama could say or do would end this thing, as political scientist David Redlawsk of Rutgers University explains:
“The reality is that “facts” are unlikely to mean much to those who believe in their gut that Obama is not American. Political psychologists call this “motivated reasoning.” It goes something like this: I dislike someone; I learn something positive that should make me feel better about him; instead, I dislike him as much or even more. This is clearly irrational, but our feelings about people are complicated, and we tend to hold on to them even in the face of contradictory information. This is not unique to those who dislike Obama.
We are all somewhat impervious to new information, preferring the beliefs in which we are already invested. We often ignore new contradictory information, actively argue against it or discount its source, all in an effort to maintain existing evaluations. Reasoning away contradictions this way is psychologically easier than revising our feelings. In this sense, our emotions color how we perceive “facts.”….
In the case of President Obama, people who already dislike him at a gut level have little motivation to revise their beliefs, whether about his place of birth or, as we have found in other research, the persisting belief that he is Muslim. It’s not the evidence that matters. Feelings come first, and evidence is used mostly in service of those feelings. Evidence that supports what is already believed is accepted, that which contradicts it is not.
So the smart bet is that the birthplace issue, the Muslim issue, and any other ways in which Obama can be portrayed as outside the mainstream are not going away. And no amount of data to the contrary will change that for some people. The simple reality is people feel before they think. And when those feelings are strong enough, facts take a back seat.”
Having created a political movement around such “motivated reasoning” in which emotion substitutes for fact, the masterminds of the GOP now have to deal with its consequences.
It’s downright entertaining, don’t you think?
-- Jay Bookman
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Truth
April 22nd, 2011
11:47 am
It seems to me that the Dems keep bringing it up… Like its their strategy to make the Reps look bad.
Jay
April 22nd, 2011
11:53 am
Yeah, the Dems made the Arizona Republicans pass that law and the Dems made 45 percent of Republicans say they thought Obama wasn’t born here and the Dems made Donald Trump into a GOP folk hero.
The Dems did it all. If only Dems were that smart.
rwcole
April 22nd, 2011
11:54 am
Yeah Truth. All those Dems like Trump, Palin, and Bachmann. And Jindal, and Barbour. Are those the Dems you’re referring to??
Midori
April 22nd, 2011
11:55 am
Jay,
you see Mike’s toon today?
Jay
April 22nd, 2011
11:58 am
Wow, Midori. Great minds and all that…
BMDPD
April 22nd, 2011
12:01 pm
Hmmm, Trump is still running off at the mouth that he found something.
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
12:02 pm
I am not a Birther and believe there are more important issues to handle.
Obama has created all of this nonsense. Just show a copy of your birth certificate, case closed.
This is what has created all of the “smoke”.
By the way Jay, you have a person posting under the name “dumbcrkr”.
Does this mean that someone else can start posting under the name of “dumbnggr”?
Yeah, I didn’t think so either because it is inappropriate. How about cleaning it up a bit.
Truth
April 22nd, 2011
12:03 pm
Just stating how it seems to me dems are always the ones that bring it up… I didnt say “dems did it all”. No need to be a jerk.
BMDPD
April 22nd, 2011
12:04 pm
“You’ll be very surprised,” he said when asked by CNN’s Ali Velshi if his investigators have found anything.
BMDPD
April 22nd, 2011
12:05 pm
I am not a birther either. I think the windbag was born in Hawaii, but I would laugh out loud for months if Trump’s team discovered otherwise!
PJ
April 22nd, 2011
12:05 pm
I love a good mystery. I can’t wait to find out who-dun-it.
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
12:06 pm
“Just show a copy of your birth certificate, case closed.”
He has.
If this is an issue to you, you are a birther.
BMDPD
April 22nd, 2011
12:06 pm
For what it is worth I don’t think he is Muslim either (or Christian for that matter).
Midori
April 22nd, 2011
12:07 pm
Scooby Doo, where are you?
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
12:07 pm
Hi Midori!
Mike’s toon is great!!
PJ
April 22nd, 2011
12:08 pm
Maybe we should get Charlie Chan and the Chan Clan on the case.
Midori
April 22nd, 2011
12:09 pm
Hi Bosch
As Jay stated — great minds …..
Don't Tread
April 22nd, 2011
12:09 pm
Emotion has been substituting for fact in the Democrat “hey it feels good, let’s make it a law” Party since the Depression.
And speaking of facing consequences…the 2012 elections will be downright entertaining.
Midori
April 22nd, 2011
12:09 pm
PJ–
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
12:09 pm
BMDPD,
“For what it is worth I don’t think he is Muslim either (or Christian for that matter).”
I think, like many Americans, he doesn’t wear his religion on his sleeve — he doesn’t use that to define who he is. In my observation it’s been pretty recent where politicians do talk about religion and make it an issue as to who they are.
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
12:09 pm
“He has. If this is an issue to you, you are a birther.”
No Bosch, President Obama has NOT shown a copy of his Birth Certificate.
That is why people are making such a big fuss.
BMDPD
April 22nd, 2011
12:11 pm
No Bosch, I think he falls in line with the Joel Osteen Christians out there.
PJ
April 22nd, 2011
12:11 pm
Midori – Back at ya!
AmVet
April 22nd, 2011
12:12 pm
Considering the enormous quantity of embarrassments, scandals and debacles to plague the GOP over the past thirty years, they need these birther fools like a drowning man needs a cinder block…
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
12:13 pm
USMC,
Okay, then, let me rephrase — his birth certificate has been authenticated and posted on-line. You just chose not to believe it.
But let me ask you this: Has any politician ever personally released their birth certificate?
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
12:14 pm
BMDPD,
“I think he falls in line with the Joel Osteen Christians out there.”
???????
I have no idea what that means.
BMDPD
April 22nd, 2011
12:16 pm
Bosch, a quote:
Osteen has been criticized for “cotton candy” Christianity because he de-emphasizes the challenging aspects of Christianity—the sinful nature of man, God’s judgment. But while one can mock Osteen for his relentless cheerfulness, he’s the one who’s best tapped into the current national mood—“it’s all about hope”—a weariness of culture wars, and a desire to focus on God’s love rather than his wrath.
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
12:19 pm
BMDPD,
Again, I have no idea who you are referencing, but from your quote it appears his critics are judging him (Osteen) on their own beliefs of Christianity and can not grasp the possibility that others who adhere to the same religion interpreting things differently. ???
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
12:19 pm
“But let me ask you this: Has any politician ever personally released their birth certificate?’”
Bosch, you are wrong. Obama has not released his full or complete Birth Certificate.
But once again, I don’t care.
carlosgvv
April 22nd, 2011
12:20 pm
A pundit once said something to the effect that no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people. Nowhere is this more true than in today’s politics. Republicans know this birther issue is nonsense. They also know their base has dumbed down to the point where they will believe almost anything they are told. While the 2012 election is too far off to make any real predictions, I believe it is safe to say that millions will vote against Obama just on this birther issue. And, it’s even possible a Republican may win because of it. Only in America!!!!!
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
12:21 pm
USMC,
I’m wrong for asking you a question?
Again, has any politician ever personally released their birth certificate to the public?
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
12:21 pm
Did anyone else see this heinous hate-crime? What are they serving at McDonalds these days?
SHOCK VIDEO: ANOTHER RACIAL BEATDOWN AT MCDONALDS:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec0_1303444048
Soothsayer
April 22nd, 2011
12:22 pm
“threatens to define their party as a bunch of lunatics”
threatens! They already are the party that is a bunch of lunatics!
Soothsayer
April 22nd, 2011
12:24 pm
Vogtle nuclear reactor shutdown traced to tripped breaker
Gosh! Do you think someone spilled a large coke on the control board?
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
12:24 pm
“Okay, then, let me rephrase — his birth certificate has been authenticated and posted on-line. You just chose not to believe it.”
Bosch, you are wrong. Let’s quit beating a dead horse. You are obvioulsy highly sensitive and starting to deflect because you are arguing against the fact that Obama’s full or complete birth certificate has not been released.
But once again for the hearing impaired… I don’t care about Obama’s birth certificate.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
12:24 pm
SHOCK VIDEO:
it’s not a “shock” when you Birther Trash post it for the fourth or fifth time.
BMDPD
April 22nd, 2011
12:25 pm
Soothsayer, meet kettle. A perfect example are the idgits that protested the Owindbag’s speech with a song. Free Bradley Manning?
BMDPD
April 22nd, 2011
12:26 pm
USMC, Wow you can’t even call them libs, but you are ‘birther trash’. Ain’t it great?
Dave R.
April 22nd, 2011
12:27 pm
“Donald Trump, who has used the birther issue to rise to near-frontrunner status among potential GOP presidential candidates.”
Typical false analysis by Jay Bookman.
He has used a whole host of issues to get to near front-runner status. They only one that the dino-media (present company included) is using as important is the birther issue.
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
12:28 pm
USMC,
I’m not the one deflecting here, I have seen his authenticated birth certificate on-line.
You however seem to be deflecting my question: has any politician that you know of personally released their birth certificate to the public?
Tommy Maddox
April 22nd, 2011
12:29 pm
AP: “[Occidental's] transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.”
Ooopie…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
12:30 pm
Continue to make the claim all you want but Hawaiian law is clear and the State of Hawaii has made it very clear:
1. The index dated is posted on Hawaii’s websites and consists of name and sex of registrant. It is public information. This index is available for inspection.
The past Health Director of the State has stated that the Director (fukino) has 2x personally inspected and verifiied the original vital records maintined by the state and has stated that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born citizen. Obama has posted the only form of certificate (Seciton 2,4(B) of applicable admin rules) that the State of Hawaii issues and it meets the requirement of law for a US Passport and for any legal purpose. It names his parents, place of birth, has official raised seal of office, signature of registrar, and seal of state. The release of the “long form” is not permitted. NOT even to Obama.
Most of these simple answers are found at: http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html
Birthers no longer need to be ignorant of the facts. This info has been available for some time.
Tommy Maddox
April 22nd, 2011
12:30 pm
Rats- another hoax.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
12:30 pm
He has used a whole host of issues to get to near front-runner status. They only one that the dino-media
eh, that’s a chicken and egg thing. He’s made noises about running for Preznit before. What got anyone to care about him this time around is his Birther nuttiness. Otherwise he’d be (justly) ignored, as he was in the past.
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
April 22nd, 2011
12:30 pm
Personally, I like the angry, vengeful Christian god that crushes everybody who displeases him.
For some light reading, check out Revelations.
(Ooops! Was that overboard for a Good Friday?)
A musical goddess covers XTC…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrueVp_kuZ8&feature=related
Soothsayer
April 22nd, 2011
12:31 pm
China Inflation And Wage Protests Spread, Turn Violent
[T]housands of striking truck drivers had poured into Shanghai’s Waigaoqiao zone, one of the city’s busiest container ports, protesting over “rising fuel prices and low wages.” Today, via Reuters, we learn that this situation has escalated materially, and progressed into violence: “A two-day strike over rising fuel prices turned violent in Shanghai on Thursday as thousands of truck drivers clashed with police, drivers said, in the latest example of simmering discontent over inflation. About 2,000 truck drivers battled baton-wielding police at an intersection near Waigaoqiao port, Shanghai’s biggest, two drivers who were at the protest told Reuters. The drivers, who blocked roads with their trucks, had stopped work on Wednesday demanding the government do something about rising fuel costs . . .
One wonders why the Chinese, living under an authoritarian regime are willing to engage in violent protests with far more dangerous personal consequences, while the American peasant continues to gladly accept $5 and soon $6 oil.
It may be that the “China deal” that corporate America has exploited for so long is soon coming to an abrupt end.
Dave R.
April 22nd, 2011
12:31 pm
And to all the “birthers’ out there:
Doesn’t matter if he has shown the original birth certificate or not. He came out of the womb of an American citizen, which makes him an American citizen.
Case closed. No futher proof is needed.
Got it?
Move on.
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
12:32 pm
“it’s not a “shock” when you Birther Trash post it for the fourth or fifth time.”
stands for decibels,
That’s a pretty horrible video… and “Birther Trash”? Are you kidding me?
You can do better than that. I don’t care about Obama’s lack of a full/ complete birth certificate as I stated earlier. He is already the President.
Dusty
April 22nd, 2011
12:32 pm
Birtherism: The monster that ate the GOP
by Jay Bookman
In the first place, I am conservative and don’t know anyone really interested in Obama’s birth certificate. They just think Obama is not a good president.
Doesn’t matter where he was born. What matters is the way he governs. That is truly an unhappy survey.
Keep up the usual work, Bookman. If anybody is being “eaten”, it is the confidence in Obama’s so called popularity. It isn’t there anymore, even as Democrats try to prop it up. You just can’t hide the obvious.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
12:32 pm
The past Health Director of the State has stated that the Director (fukino) has 2x personally inspected and verifiied the original vital records maintined by the state and has stated that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born citizen.
She could offer every Birther Trash a free look and a t!t squeeze on the side and they’d still say it wasn’t legit.
Jay
April 22nd, 2011
12:32 pm
All these “Democrats” like Tommy Maddox and USMC, posting here as part of that White House conspiracy…
Dave R.
April 22nd, 2011
12:33 pm
“What got anyone to care about him this time around is his Birther nuttiness. Otherwise he’d be (justly) ignored, as he was in the past.”
Not even remotely true, stands. That’s all the media has focused on, but he has come out far more publicly this cycle on issues of substance, and has already made speeches to more organizations than in the past.
Tommy Maddox
April 22nd, 2011
12:35 pm
No – I corrected by gaff. Thanks just the same.
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
12:35 pm
“I’m not the one deflecting here, I have seen his authenticated birth certificate on-line.”
No one has seen Obama’s full/complete birth certificate except for BOSCH.
Funny:-)
And once again, I don’t care about Obama’s lack of a full/complete birth certificate.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
12:35 pm
but he has come out far more publicly this cycle on issues of substance
you mean, you agree with him now, as opposed to when he was pro-choice and pro-gay marriage and thought W was the worst president ever.
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
12:36 pm
Tommy,
Or not….
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
12:36 pm
“All these “Democrats” like Tommy Maddox and USMC, posting here as part of that White House conspiracy…”
Yeah that’s me, Jay:-) …. Part of the White House conspiracy…
You sound awful desperate, Jay.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
12:37 pm
I have seen his authenticated birth certificate on-line.”
No one has seen Obama’s full/complete birth certificate except for BOSCH.
the online certificate he’s referring to IS authenticated.
And if you think that Obama is deliberately hiding anything pertaining to his birth records, you’re still Birther Trash. Sorry.
Tommy Maddox
April 22nd, 2011
12:37 pm
Yep – I found that too.
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
12:38 pm
“Doesn’t matter if he has shown the original birth certificate or not. He came out of the womb of an American citizen, which makes him an American citizen.
Case closed. No futher proof is needed.
Got it?
Move on.”
Thanks Dave — that simple fact just whizzes by most.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
12:39 pm
No one has seen Obama’s full/complete birth certificate except for:
The Hawaiian official who certified that it actually exists.
USMC, do try to keep up with reality about an issue you continue to make falseclaims about and then tell us how much you don’t care.
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
12:39 pm
USMC,
I didn’t write that I had seen his long form birth certificate online — I wrote that I had seen his authenticated one — but yet you continue to be unable to answer my question:
Has any politician ever personally released their birth certificate to the public?
Dave R.
April 22nd, 2011
12:39 pm
“you mean, you agree with him now, as opposed to when he was pro-choice and pro-gay marriage and thought W was the worst president ever.”
Obviously, stands, you never learned the rule that trying to put words in my mouth makes you look dumber than a sack of hammers.
Never said I agreed with him. Only said he is addressing issues of substance.
You may now go back to your usual state of non-thinking.
Dave R.
April 22nd, 2011
12:41 pm
You’re welcome, Bosch!
Dave R.
April 22nd, 2011
12:42 pm
Past time to feed Bhudda. Be back in a bit.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
12:43 pm
Never said I agreed with him. Only said he is addressing issues of substance.
hmm. so you don’t find yourself more in agreement with Trump’s views on topics of “substance” than you would’ve, say, eight years ago?
(that said, I will acknowledge I should’ve had a question mark at the end of my post @ 12.35, instead of a period. and yes, I know that you are not a ‘phobe on the gay marriage issue.)
BMDPD
April 22nd, 2011
12:44 pm
Leftist, sorry.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
12:44 pm
We are all somewhat impervious to new information, preferring the beliefs in which we are already invested. We often ignore new contradictory information, actively argue against it or discount its source, all in an effort to maintain existing evaluations. Reasoning away contradictions this way is psychologically easier than revising our feelings. In this sense, our emotions color how we perceive “facts.”….
We see this exhibited daily on this website. Some situations much clearer than others.
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
12:44 pm
I guess now that Obama’s numbers are dropping drastically, the Democratic Caucus and partisan newspaper hacks start deflecting by putting out ridiculous articles like:
“Birtherism: The monster that ate the GOP”
Maybe that will take the attention off of Obama’s dismal record and drop in popularity….. NOT.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
12:45 pm
You and the rest of the leftest turds here are just plain TRASH.
No, I’m a Dirty [Bleep]ing Hippie. Get your terminology straight, buddy boy.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
12:47 pm
Obama’s numbers are dropping drastically
I love how they all got their little marching orders to talk about this, even after being told the Gallup numbers they’re referencing are merely tied with where Obama’s been before… and that the three day average is back up to 43 today.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx
Senior Citizen Kane
April 22nd, 2011
12:47 pm
I think you make too much of the Birthers and the problem they pose for the GOP, misguided though they are. Now here are some problems for Obama, courtesy of today’s NYT/CBS poll:
Just 27 percent of Americans support raising the debt limit, while 63 percent oppose raising it. Obama has a 38 percent approval rating on handling the economy and a 33 percent approval rating on handling the budget deficit. Seventy percent of Americans say the country is on the wrong track — the highest percentage since Obama first took office. Just 26 percent say it is headed in the right direction. Only 19 percent say the economy is in good condition, while 80 percent say it is in bad condition.
BMDPD
April 22nd, 2011
12:48 pm
See all, sfd just let our military know that he thinks they are trash.
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
12:48 pm
“partisan newspaper hacks start deflecting”
Funny USMC how you would bring up deflection when you are doing it now by not answering my question.
Kamchak
April 22nd, 2011
12:48 pm
Birthers.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
12:48 pm
argh. fun as it is to play in the time-suck, gotta go produce. see ya, maybe, for the music thread…
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
12:48 pm
I just want to know if there is ANY physical evidence that he was NOT born in Hawaii.
You know, confirmed, hard facts.
I don’t want to hear about “but he didn’t show his LONG FORM”.
That doesn’t cut it with me. I want to see PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. that he was NOT born where the evidence says he was born.
No, don’t have anything? Oh. . . Thanks for playing.
Pizzaman
April 22nd, 2011
12:51 pm
Hay USMC. My Son is a Marine. Your making the Corps look bad. Congressperson Bachmann was shown the full, long, complete, entire, raised seal document on GMA Monday morning. Her quote “that’s it”. “This is all anyone should need. It’s over.” And she was Maw Birther. Anyway, as you’ve said at least 1/2 a dozen times…..you don’t care. BTW got some beach front in AZ interested?
Tommy Maddox
April 22nd, 2011
12:51 pm
You’d think the President would show up at a news conference somewhere with the Hawaii Records Custodian, hold up the document and say “here it is all you silly people”. He does delight in ridiculing folks he disagrees with.
By not doing something this simple, he is perpetrating his own myth. Maybe it will be his October surprise.
Dusty
April 22nd, 2011
12:51 pm
Sooo… Democrats are the main ones interested in Obama’s birth certificate. They must be. They are the main ones bringing it up.
Bookman! His topic! Luckovich! His subject! Musta come up at the board meeting. Has Tucker mentioned it yet? Yep…”birthers”…soup de jour a la Democrats. Maybe there will be exciting music tonight about BIRTHERS! Songs like “You were born for me!!” or something.
I give Democrats credit for their perserverance ’specially on trifles & tripe. Read it here every day on AJC.
BMDPD
April 22nd, 2011
12:51 pm
It doesn’t matter where Owindbag was born. In my opinion, his policies are not good for our country.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
12:52 pm
Logical…… well you know Donald has investigators and you will NOT believe what they are telling the Donald about what they are finding…
Except when Trumpy wont discuss the findings or when the “report” will be coming out. Oirly is working hard on it I am sure.
Jay — can’t you call Trump a liar or something and get him to sue you for libel, then demand the info in his “investigation”. I want to see the checks.
Left wing management
April 22nd, 2011
12:52 pm
You and the rest of the leftest turds here are just plain TRASH.
No, I’m a Dirty [Bleep]ing Hippie. Get your terminology straight, buddy boy.
Yeah! And I’m a grubby handed Communist, so get with the program.
Del
April 22nd, 2011
12:54 pm
Another one of Jay’s desperation topics. Here’s Obama’s approval rating continuing to fall and Jay try’s to divert attention to the birth issue. There’s been a lot of mystery surrounding Obama not least of which is his stubborn refusal to release his long form birth certificate. His place of birth, however, is not the key concern among Independents, Republicans as well as some Democrats because over the 2 plus years of the Obama presidency it’s become clear that this is a man whose simply not suited for the job he holds. Attempting to paint the GOP as radical lunatics is just an immature, desperate and futile attempt at diverting attention away from Obama’s failures. It’s time to get this country back on track. Obama and the Democratic party haven’t shown the American public that they’re capable of doing so.
Left wing management
April 22nd, 2011
12:56 pm
BMDPD: “Pizzaman, I know pizza delivery people. And you, my turd, are making all pizza delivery people look bad.”
For a second there I thought you were going to say “I knew Pizzaman Kennedy. You’re no Pizzaman Kennedy”. Which would cause Pizzaman to melt away in disgrace.
Jay
April 22nd, 2011
12:57 pm
Cease all name-calling.
(ir)Rational
April 22nd, 2011
12:57 pm
So, just out of curiosity, why is everyone that even questions anything about Obama immediately portrayed as “crazy” by the media and others that support him? Not just on the birth certificate issue, but on most other issues as well. I personally believe that he has a birth certificate that says he was born in the US, I just think he finds it entertaining to let everyone question it and fight about it. But why is everyone crazy that questions this or any other issue? Is it because the people defending him have nothing of substance to use to defend him, so instead they must portray the accusers of being crazy, and anyone who even thinks about it then has to wonder if they are crazy as well? Can someone please explain this to me? I’m being serious by the way – I do want a real explanation from somebody on that side of the isle.
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
12:57 pm
You’d think the President would show up at a news conference somewhere with the Hawaii Records Custodian, hold up the document and say “here it is all you silly people”.
Why should the leader of the free world acknowledge crazy conspiracy theorists?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
12:58 pm
Yeah Del is so right… its Obama and the Dems that are making Bachman, Fox and Trump push the birther issue. The real victims are once again, the Republicans.
BMDPD
April 22nd, 2011
12:58 pm
Jay, I am sorry. I don’t take to kindly to sfd calling a Marine trash. I never will.
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
April 22nd, 2011
12:59 pm
Seeya tonight, stands. (Hopefully)
LWM,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-7gpgXNWYI
willie lynch
April 22nd, 2011
12:59 pm
What will they do now? Oh yeah, he’s hiding his college transcript’s, he must be a marxist.
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
12:59 pm
Keep says: Logical…… well you know Donald has investigators and you will NOT believe what they are telling the Donald about what they are finding
You’re right! I will NOT believe anything until I see something. Of course, even if I see something, I’ll take it under consideration of all the evidence and then make a decision.
But for now, it’s just sad watching state governments around the country try to pass legislation focused on this one issue. The Republicans evidently can’t use regular arguments against Obama, so they just try to make him ineligible to run. Pretty sad, really.
(ir)Rational
April 22nd, 2011
12:59 pm
Bosch – why are they crazy conspiracy theorists? And why shouldn’t he want to put the topic to rest once and for all? There is so much speculation and discussion about it that it detracts from real issues.
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
1:00 pm
Irrational,
If his critics would actually criticize him on policy issues and used facts instead of things they make up, then they wouldn’t seem so crazy.
Case in point, you can call Obama a socialist, but can you actually name anything he’s done that is socialist?
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
1:01 pm
Irrational,
Do you honestly want the POTUS to address every conspiracy theory out there about him? Did Bush address the truthers or those who claimed he didn’t serve in the ANG?
No, he didn’t, so why do you hold Obama to a different standard.
And since USMC obviously won’t answer my question, I’ll ask you:
Has any politician ever personally released his birth certificate to the public?
Doggone/GA
April 22nd, 2011
1:02 pm
“Again, has any politician ever personally released their birth certificate to the public?”
Well…the Donald in a great, triumphant moment…released his Certificate of Live Birth!
(ir)Rational
April 22nd, 2011
1:03 pm
Bosch – I don’t typically refer to him as a socialist, and I would bet that the people that do don’t fully understand the term and political/economical meanings behind it. Personally, I would call him an economic fascist, and there are plenty of things he has done to earn that title. To be fair, by the time he left office, I would have called Bush the same thing.
Also, people do criticize him on policy issues, but they are still portrayed as crazy simply because they criticize him. That’s what I’m trying to figure out. Why must I be crazy, just because I ask questions or don’t agree?
willie lynch
April 22nd, 2011
1:04 pm
Jay, turn down the volume, the noise from all these backpedalers is killing me.
BMDPD
April 22nd, 2011
1:05 pm
I will rephrase my comment.
Pizzaman, I know pizza delivery people. And you, my friend, are making all Gator fans look bad!
Del
April 22nd, 2011
1:05 pm
“The real victims are once again, the Republicans.”
No the real victims are the American people until such time as this incompetent president can be voted out of office. Unfortunately, November 012 is still a year and a half away.
Ramguy
April 22nd, 2011
1:05 pm
It seems to me that the Dems keep bringing it up… Like its their strategy to make the Reps look bad.
You gotta love these right wingers. If “bad” Deal does something they don’t like they cry that he used to be a Dem. Then some of their looney leaders keep this birther issue going and it’s the Dem’s fault. You guys are too much. Just so you guys know, Trump is just doing his impression of PT Barnum…..There’s a sucker born every minute and the right wingers are full of them. It doesn’t matter what Obama shows these Jethro’s nad rubes won’t be satisfied.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
1:05 pm
Logical. Well isnt that part of the Obama plan? Make those republican state legislatures pass legislation on the birther issue? Del and others have assured us that the Republicans don’t care about the birther issue so they certainly would not be passing legislation in AZ that has to be vetoed. Obama is soooo evil he is forcing this issue in state legislatures across the country. [snark]
Dusty
April 22nd, 2011
1:05 pm
Del 12:54
You got that right. The president just “aint up to snuff”! Democrats know it too or they wouldn’t be howling so loudly about the small stuff.
—————–
Ah…off to Burger King for a fine repast! Whooppee for Whoppers!
ECB
April 22nd, 2011
1:06 pm
The concern I have with these “birther bills” is that they will give a state elections official the right to deny any candidate they want from getting on their ballots. Birth certificates are issued by states and they don’t all look alike. I can see it now: A state official in Louisiana says “maybe that’s what they issue in Hawaii (or New York or Massachusetts), but that’s not what we issue in Louisiana. Denied”. Jindal better be careful what he signs. He doesn’t look like every president before Obama either.
(ir)Rational
April 22nd, 2011
1:06 pm
Bosch – I don’t know the answer to that for sure, but I do know that McCain was forced to prove he was born in the US by showing his birth certificate during the election. It was done publicly enough that the issue was dropped and no one brought it up again after.
And Bush’s ANG records were public, and people like Alex Jones are truly crazy. There is a difference between those who think the government is out to get them period, and those who want answers to simple questions that shouldn’t be real issues.
owl
April 22nd, 2011
1:06 pm
Put Dan Rather on this story and you will be set free.
He did a real beat down on Bush’s transcripts.
BMDPD
April 22nd, 2011
1:07 pm
(ir)Rational, If you aren’t crazy then you are racist. Me I am just a crazy racist.
JohnnyReb
April 22nd, 2011
1:09 pm
Have fun with this, but keep in mind the only thing that really matters is, there are enough of us lunatics to ensure Barry is defeated in 2012.
(ir)Rational
April 22nd, 2011
1:09 pm
BMDPD – Yeah, that one is my next favorite. I always defend it jokingly by saying I’m only criticizing his white half, but that joke only works on people who already think it is funny.
Dusty
April 22nd, 2011
1:10 pm
Ramguy & Keep,
I’lll bring you something from Burger King. Obviously you need a “personality pickup”. All this juice from Dems doesn’t help a bit. You need a Whopper. The rest of us need a capable president.
Bye…
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
1:10 pm
“So, just out of curiosity, why is everyone that even questions anything about Obama immediately portrayed as “crazy” by the media and others that support him?”
Because Democrats/Media are merely trying to divert the attention away from Obama’s obvious lack of experience, leadership, and logic, etc. and his naive socialist mentality.
Liberals, like Jay, use this tactic all of the time. Instead of addressing the issue, they start to sling mud and make “fun” of ordinary people asking legitimate questions.
(ir)Rational
April 22nd, 2011
1:11 pm
Well, this was short, and somewhat fun. I just found out my office is closing early today. Time to go home and enjoy my family. Y’all have fun now.
Captain Comet
April 22nd, 2011
1:12 pm
Yep, the Birthers are right up there with the “Bush lied about WMD’s” idiots.
willie lynch
April 22nd, 2011
1:13 pm
The first step to recovery is recognising you have a problem. Good first step BMDPD.
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April 22nd, 2011
1:13 pm
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David
April 22nd, 2011
1:14 pm
Tommy Maddox, foreign citizenship has no bearing on birthplace. You can be born in the US and still have dual citizenship if a parent was born in another country. No wonder it took you like 10 yeasr to finally figure out the NFL. Not so good with the knowledge.
Tommy Maddox
April 22nd, 2011
1:16 pm
Missed my follow-up eh?
Senior Citizen Kane
April 22nd, 2011
1:16 pm
(ir)Rational is correct, the Birther movement actually started with the Democrats questioning McCain’s eligibility. Google ‘McCain birth certificate’ for a glimpse.
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
1:16 pm
ECB says: “The concern I have with these “birther bills” is that they will give a state elections official the right to deny any candidate they want from getting on their ballots.”
I heard this was part of the Arizona bill, but is this a feature on all of the bills? Otherwise, doesn’t the state election official already have the right to deny unqualified candidates?
I know that here in Georgia, there’s that rule that people serving have to live in whatever region they are supposed to cover, and headlines over the past couple of years have hammered a few candidates who lived elsewhere.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:16 pm
Jay….with everything going on in the economy….is this the best you can do?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:18 pm
Rational…..typical the left starts a fight and when it comes full circle about one of their candidates that call it birther, racist and biggoted.
Fools.
BMDPD
April 22nd, 2011
1:19 pm
UGA see my 1:05!
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
1:19 pm
Another radical position.
They should have listened to rove.
Left wing management
April 22nd, 2011
1:19 pm
Thanks for that stroll down memory lane, AmVet. You know what strikes me on looking at that clip again is the smile Bentsen directs at the hapless fuming Quayle. It’s like the knowing smile of a teacher to a brat pupil who’s just been smacked down and seems to say: “and you know I’m right!”
On a more somber note, the ease with which Bentsen delivers that devastating smackdown by merely invoking the name of a previous and fondly remembered Democratic president prompts me to wonder whether such a moment would even be possible today. That was a high water mark for liberalism and the mere mention of a Democratic icon (or in this case, the invoking of the quasi-sacred status of such a figure) was enough to virtually destroy an opponent. I doubt such a gesture would be possible today, 23 yrs later.
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
1:20 pm
“Pizzaman, I know pizza delivery people. And you, my friend, are making all Gator fans look bad!”
Now that was freakin hilarious! Thanks!
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
1:20 pm
Senior says:” the Birther movement actually started with the Democrats questioning McCain’s eligibility”
I actually do not remember that at all. Do you have a link for verification? My recollection is that Orly Taitz defended a soldier for not following his orders because President Obama was “not the real president since he wasn’t born in the US”.
I mean, I may not follow every headline, but really, don’t try to tell me that it’s because of McCain’s birth certificate.
GrammarKing
April 22nd, 2011
1:21 pm
It’s obviously a silly topic to any thinking individual. President Obama doesn’t need to release his long form birth certificate for a few reasons:
1. The State of Hawaii has already confirmed, multiple times, that he was born there and has provided electronic documentation demonstrating such. (I believe someone made the link available earlier in the discussion).
2. The President, any President, should not have to stoop to the level of paranoid conspiracy theorists. President (W.) Bush didn’t give the extreme far-left any of his time when there were claims that his White House had something to do with 9/11…because it was crazy nonsense that no thinking person gave any credence to.
3. It keeps the Right, or a significant portion of the political Right, occupied and looking dumb in the eyes of the majority of Americans.
So, keep debating a pointless issue. Obviously, neither major political party has all of the answers to all of the questions. Our society would be a much better place, or, at the very least, on the path to a better place, if we could abandon strict adherence to the “party line” and give each issue the care it deserves.
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
April 22nd, 2011
1:22 pm
LWM, it’s pretty classic, huh?
JFK was everything Dan Quayle wasn’t.
Which really became the model for future comparisons.
Which culminated in George W. “All hat, no cattle” Bush…
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:23 pm
Logical….how could you not remember that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Born_Citizen_Clause
udsf
April 22nd, 2011
1:23 pm
if one of obama’s parents was a us citizen, does it matter where on earth he was born?
JP
April 22nd, 2011
1:23 pm
Why would Obama want to stop the Birther nonsense? Even if he did show his actual, original birth certificate, at least 25% of the Bithers still wouldn’t believe him. The crazier the Rs look the better for the Dems. Most R’s are going to vote against him in ‘12 anyway. Most Dems will vote for him. So it’s the independents he is going to worry about. That said, if 50% of independents think he was born somewhere else, then he has a problem
I am a DEM and think Obama can be challenged on real issues, I think the R talent pool is smart enough to do this, they just don’t this nonsense……
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
1:24 pm
Half of the uneducated radical cons are birthers.
Pizzaman
April 22nd, 2011
1:25 pm
Any Constitutional lawyers out there. Is it legal for any entity, state, county or city, to add requirements to the Constitution. I can’t see how any candidate can be required to meet any requirement on a state or local level if it’s not in the Constitution. It’d for a Federal Office.
Peadawg
April 22nd, 2011
1:25 pm
Logical Dude,
Read all about the articles here: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=127362
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:25 pm
Getalife….but all of the leftist are uneducated!
Peter
April 22nd, 2011
1:25 pm
Ok if you say it often enough it becomes fact…….. Cheney said Bin Laden and Obama plotted together on 911.
How many Republican’s still believe that ? Lot’s for sure…..I would bet 10 to 15% today ?
So they will believe anything their party said ! Like “Deficits don’t matter”, or say War is good abortion bad !
JP
April 22nd, 2011
1:26 pm
UDSF – even though Obama is a US citizen by birth, I think it’s the “natural born” thing people are worried about – need to boen on US soil (?)
I would be interesting to see how the “natural born” thing would play out in court….
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:26 pm
Peter….Ok if you say it often enough it becomes fact…….. Cheney said Bin Laden and Obama plotted together on 911.
Where did you hear this or is this some nonsense BS that you made up?
GOP Monster
April 22nd, 2011
1:26 pm
Yumyum. Tastes like vanilla flavored mud….
Gm
April 22nd, 2011
1:27 pm
Thank you Trump and low life white trash birthers: You have alienated every minority in this country from Mexicans to Korans they are going to come in droves now for Obama in 2012, because if trash like birthers and expolit low middle class whites trump can do this to the President of the United States imagine what these idiots would do to other minorities in America.
Thanks Trump and birthers please keep this up tuill 2012.
RB from Gwinnett
April 22nd, 2011
1:27 pm
“only 33 percent would admit the truth, that he was born in Hawaii.”
There you have it folks!! It must be the ‘truth’ because Jay believes it. Jay has no more evidence it’s true than Orly Taitz has it isn’t, but if Jay says it, it must be true and everybody else must be wrong.
How much money would you spend to hide your birth certificate if you had nothing to hide?
Halftrack
April 22nd, 2011
1:27 pm
Jay; It’s time that some entity in the Federal Government takes the responsibility to adequately vette all candidates for President as the Constitution requires. The documents that Obummer has given would not pass acceptance for a lot of things that you would have to pass with your birth certificate (ie: Passport, Social Security, Medicare, Military service, Security Clearance, Drivers License, etc.) Just because one gives you an official looking document does not make it true. Illegal immigrants do this everyday with forged documents or Social Security cards. Please wake up and smell the coffee.
GOP Monster
April 22nd, 2011
1:28 pm
Have you seen a photo of my cousin?
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1792&bih=966&q=shrek&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:29 pm
Gm….YEP hahaha just like they did in the November elections! hahaha good luck with that one.
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
1:29 pm
Hi UGA, I’m familiar with the clause, but have little recollection of it having to do with McCain. He was a Senator for how many years? I heard he was born in Panama, but to military parents. It’s a non-issue in my book (for McCain) and I guess that’s why I didn’t pay attention to that, and it died down quick so evidently not many others paid attention to it either.
I remember hearing about it AFTER the birthers questioned Obama. So I questioned the timing, not the fact that there were questions about McCain’s birthplace and presidential potential.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:30 pm
Logical….question the timing all you want. The fact is that the left brought up the birther issue first.
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
1:30 pm
He was born in Hawaii cons but you can’t let it go.
ODS.
mm
April 22nd, 2011
1:31 pm
Obama is just feeding more rope to the suicidal republican party.
I think the entire bunch of GOP hopefuls should prove they were born on this planet.
BMDPD
April 22nd, 2011
1:31 pm
Gm, please see Jay’s 12:57. Thanks!
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:32 pm
mm….have you seen the latest polls? In all of the Obama is losing ground quickly. Have fun riding that sinking ship! hahah Hope you have a life vest.
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
1:32 pm
No, you can’t have your country back because you are crazy cons.
Del
April 22nd, 2011
1:32 pm
The only Republican candidate that’s making Obama’s place of birth an issue is Donald Trump and Trump isn’t really a Republican. Trump will not be the Republican nominee in 012.
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
April 22nd, 2011
1:32 pm
I’m alarmed at how all of the responsible intelligence gathering agencies in the United States government overlooked this unconstitutional president, yet bloggers on the AJC have uncovered this oversight.
It truly boggles the mind.
udsf
April 22nd, 2011
1:33 pm
the us supreme court should vette all prez candidates. they only work a couple of months a year anyway.
buck@gon
April 22nd, 2011
1:33 pm
Living
Obama’s
Vision for
Everyone
Dear Mr. Bookman,
We don’t recall seeing but one birther column this week. Since it is very late in the game, we expect that yet another column between now and rush hour would be unseemly, but as always, do as you will. The guideline is for our protection and yours. Please remember that your assigned quota is two birther columns per week. We all agreed to this.
Writing about trump counts, but only if you included the word “birther” or derivation thereof in the column–or if you posted a picture of Trump or Newt Gingrich. If you can’t trouble yourself to write two next week, please have your son write one. He has been hanging around here lately looking for something to do and a place to stay.
We thought that tough love is a very Republican thing, indicating that you are really a closet conservative. We regret to think this, but given your proclivity to be disloyal to LOVE and neglect your assigned quota of birther columns, well, we can only wonder. Remember we are here to please everyone and to see that everyone has their fair share. Hopefully, someone else will pick up rent for your son and give him his. We’re just sorry it’s not you.
Sincerely,
Imelda Soros
LOVE staff director
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:33 pm
BMDPD….it is no use both GM and getalife are racists and biggots. But Jay will not ban them.
Jack
April 22nd, 2011
1:33 pm
The GOP candidate in 2012 gets my vote.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:33 pm
Del….seen the recent polls?
mm
April 22nd, 2011
1:33 pm
” The fact is that the left brought up the birther issue first.”
Uh, no. If you wingers can’t be honest with us, you could at least be honest with yourselves.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:35 pm
Jack….Amen…it could be Mickey Mouse and he would do a better job than this clown we have in office now.
mm
April 22nd, 2011
1:35 pm
Polls? I believe the polls had McCain winning the week before the election.
Moderate Line
April 22nd, 2011
1:35 pm
Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure. Republicans reject that view and, by a 7-to-1 margin, say the President did not know in advance about the attacks.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/bush_administration/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance
The problem is that both Democrats and Republicans are willing to believe the worse in the other party as represented by the number of Democrats who believed Bush had prior knowledge of the 911 attacks. All Jay is doing repeating a Democrat talking point which is aim making the Republicans look like wacko’s. Another thing is what would happen if a state passes a law which required Obama to prove he was a naturalize citizen? As long as Obama is a naturalize citizen he should not have a problem.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:35 pm
mm….really try to remember what you guys attempted to do to McCain in the last election and the fact that he was born in Panama. Come on man, keep up, it is not that hard.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:35 pm
mm….really try to remember what you guys attempted to do to McCain in the last election and the fact that he was born in Panama. Come on man, keep up, it is not that hard.
GOP Monster
April 22nd, 2011
1:35 pm
getalife 1:30. No he was not. Fact.
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
1:35 pm
“getalife are racists and biggots”
Show me the proof liar.
Jay
April 22nd, 2011
1:36 pm
GM, I’ve already had to pull some of your comments from earlier post, and I’m running out of patience. Please dial your rhetoric back considerably or post elsewhere.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:36 pm
Getalife….you proved my point with past alone…..thank you.
Libertarian
April 22nd, 2011
1:36 pm
I know this hasn’t ever been an issue before Obama. But, then again, we’ve never had a president before who lived in Indonesia for a while and had a father/stepfather who were kenyan/muslim. That said, I always just assumed there was someone in America checking people’s credentials when they went to run for president. I guess not..
BMDPD
April 22nd, 2011
1:36 pm
UGA, If I have to go without calling people names, then it is only fair that Gm has to also. This is a liberal blog and liberalism is all about equality and fairness. Thus, I expect them to conform. It would not be fair if they did not.
buck@gon
April 22nd, 2011
1:37 pm
Living
Obama’s
Vision for
Everyone
Mr. Bookman,
I wanted to just let you know that while we are tired of refusing your son for pocket change when he begs in front of our building, we are glad that you are decidedly talking about birthers, republican kooks and conservative crazies.
Lord knows there are plenty of new stories out there about how bad the economy is. Imagine what would happen if the American people were focused on how the American dream is crumbling before their eyes!
Keep up the good work,
Imelda Soros
LOVE staff director
Jay
April 22nd, 2011
1:37 pm
And UGA1999, that McCain attempt is just so lame….
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:37 pm
Libertarian…..nope.
Yahtzee
April 22nd, 2011
1:37 pm
Any person with a brain should be able to figure out that the left has lost touch with reality, that the majority of media outlets in this country are nothing more than a cheerleading squad for the administration and have no intention on reporting whats actually taking place.
I really hope that the left’s plan for the next election is to frame the GOP as radicals because some percentage thinks the POTUS was not born in this country, instead of focusing on the +9% unemployment figure, the 3 wars that we shouldn’t be fighting, why we aren’t tapping our own fuel sources, cutting spending, and reforming entitlements.
BMDPD
April 22nd, 2011
1:37 pm
Jay, thank you!
RB from Gwinnett
April 22nd, 2011
1:38 pm
“Any Constitutional lawyers out there. Is it legal for any entity, state, county or city, to add requirements to the Constitution”
Nobody is adding anything to the constitution pizzaman. They’re merely trying to verify the constitutional requirement is met. You do understand the diff…… oh, nevermind…
GOP Monster
April 22nd, 2011
1:38 pm
Obama was born in Kenya to a marxist father and socialist mother. I have a team working on finding his Kenyan birth certificate as we speak….
We’ve narrowed it down to either Nairobi or Nakuru, not sure which yet. Documentation in that part of the world is less than ideal….
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:39 pm
Jay….I can prove it and already did. Read previous posts..
mm
April 22nd, 2011
1:39 pm
“it could be Mickey Mouse and he would do a better job than this clown we have in office now.”
Again, honesty.
Obama has done more good for this country in 2 years than Bush did in 8. He’s already created more jobs. If not for the do nothing GOP in the Senate, unemployment would probably be 6%. They killed every jobs bill. They added half a trillion to the deficit this year with the tax cuts.
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
1:39 pm
Hi Peadawg,
Thanks for the link to the articles. From what it looks, both questions about the birth situations came up about the same time, in the run-up to the elections in 2008.
I’ll go ahead and say it was my lack of paying attention at the time to see “which came first”.
Now, the McCain question died down and there is no issue or doubt about his eligibility. For SOME reason, the same cannot be said about Obama and the people who don’t think he was born in Hawaii.
Del
April 22nd, 2011
1:39 pm
UGA1999, which ones?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:40 pm
mm….ok, please tell me what you feel Obama has done to help the country?
BMDPD
April 22nd, 2011
1:40 pm
Hey, I am all for not tapping all of our fuel resources. Let’s use up the rest of the world’s first! Let’s use up the Middle East’s very first. Then we can leave that desert and let them kill each other in the name of Shiite and Sunni.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
1:41 pm
Just because one gives you an official looking document does not make it true. Illegal immigrants do this everyday with forged documents or Social Security cards. Please wake up and smell the coffee
First not an “official looking document.” An official document issued by the State of Hawaii and certified by it as official. Also confirmed by Hawaiian officials. Please do tell me how many of those “forged documents” are later verified by state officials after checking their own records twice.
Me thinks you do not know what you are talking about.
Left wing management
April 22nd, 2011
1:41 pm
Halftrack, why do we need to vet the candidates for the presidency any more than we already do?
Why on earth do we need to vet people any more to be president? From where does such a need come from? I see no evidence for it.
Jiminy
April 22nd, 2011
1:41 pm
chirp
kevin
April 22nd, 2011
1:41 pm
RB from Gwinnett,
Are you serious? In Hawaii, when you request a copy of your birth certificate you get a certificate of live birth–which has been produced. Additionally, the health director of Hawaii has verified and stated publilcly that the original birth certificate of Obama exists. Finally, on his birthday, 2 independent papers in Hawaii had announcements of his birth. Are you suggesting that this conspiracy to show Barack Obama was born in Hawaii dates back to 1941 and 2 local papers, in conjunction with the state government were part of it? Here’s some information from the state of Hawaii website that you should read.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html
Index data referred to in HRS §338-18 from vital records in the State of Hawaii is available for inspection at the Department of Health’s Office of Health Status Monitoring at 1250 Punchbowl Street in Honolulu. The public will be asked to provide identification and sign in to inspect the names and sex of all births, deaths and marriages that occurred in the state. Data are maintained in bound copies by type of event with names listed alphabetically by last name.
The index data regarding President Obama is:
Birth Index
Obama II, Barack Hussein
Male
To request a search for index data, provide a first and last name of the individual, and the type of event along with a self-addressed, stamped envelope. Requests must be sent in writing to:
State Department of Health
Office of Health Status Monitoring
Issuance/Vital Statistics Section
P.O. Box 3378
Honolulu, HI 96801
There may be a cost for search, segregation and copying based on the request. If prepayment is required, the DOH will send a Notice to Requestor form with the amount required for prepayment. Only a money order, certified check, or cashier’s check (make money order and checks payable to the State Department of Health) will be accepted. Personal checks will not be accepted. All fees are non-refundable; if no data is found after a search is conducted, the fees are retained to cover the cost of the search. Requests for index data will be sent out within 2-3 weeks after receipt of payment.
All past statements by the Health Director are available at:
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
The statements speak for themselves and there are no other public records maintained by the department related to these statements that are available to the public
Records pertaining to the Department of Health database for vital statistics information:
Records pertaining to the Department of Health database for vital statistics information are not required to be disclosed by the Uniform Information Practices Act because those records, by their very nature, must be confidential in order for the government to avoid the frustration of a legitimate government function (see HRS §92F-13(3)). Disclosing such information compromises the department’s ability to protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system as is required by HRS §338-18.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:41 pm
mm…..if you notice polling of unemployment DID decrease right after he extended the Bush taxation plan (now the Obama taxation model). Thank you GOP. Unemployment has risen sharply under his supervision. Man look at the actual numbers before you make a post.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
1:42 pm
“The reality is that “facts” are unlikely to mean much to those who believe in their gut that Obama is not American. Political psychologists call this “motivated reasoning.” It goes something like this: I dislike someone; I learn something positive that should make me feel better about him; instead, I dislike him as much or even more. This is clearly irrational…we tend to hold on to them even in the face of contradictory information’. This is not unique to those who dislike Obama.”
Oh… my…. gosh…..
And here I thought that many of the ‘personalities’ I read on this blog were unique to the blogosphere. Now I read that they are representative of much of the population.
Heaven help us.
GOP Monster
April 22nd, 2011
1:42 pm
Our OBC team (Obama Birth Certificate Team) includes a forgery expert, a descendant of Ayn Rand, a geneticist (we’ve placed a request with the White House and his Harvard roommates for a piece of Obama’s hair).
The Truth Will Prevail!
mm
April 22nd, 2011
1:42 pm
“Any person with a brain should be able to figure out that the left has lost touch with reality, that the majority of media outlets in this country are nothing more than a cheerleading squad for the administration and have no intention on reporting whats actually taking place. ”
Oh please. Just because the other media outlets don’t make sh*t up like Fox News doesn’t mean they are liberal. They actually go out of their way to let the GOP crazies lie over the air.
Misty Fyed
April 22nd, 2011
1:43 pm
Would one of you vastly superior liberals please explain the objection over states verifying the qualifications of candidates running in that state?
I mean how does that discriminate against anyone? Obama won the last presidential election… He is President. Nobody is taking that from him. If Hawaii says he was born there; no problem. He’s eligible and shouldn’t have a problem providing the same information every other candidate offers.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
1:43 pm
“Birtherism: The monster that ate the GOP”
Bookman, what’s your definition of “ate the GOP?” I guess if it weren’t for birtherism, the GOP would have gained 50 more house seats AND won the senate back in November?
Liberals are so funny…
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:43 pm
mm……please tell us a lie told by Foxnews. Come on you can do it.
HDB
April 22nd, 2011
1:43 pm
The problem is that PRIOR to president Obama, NO President/Presidential candidate had to authenticate his American citizenship; now, a dual standard has occurred: one for Obama, another for everyone else! Seems as though we’re reverting to the 60s again…..dual standards for the majority vs. the minority!!
This is FAR from being a post-racial society; it’s a more POLARIZED racial society than before…..
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:44 pm
Harry….>Amen, they cant stand the truth.
Yahtzee
April 22nd, 2011
1:44 pm
mm – how has obama created 1 job? he hasn’t created one job in his entire life. please explain to me how unemployment continues to rise and stay above 9 %..what was it when he became president, like 5.5-6%? so he’s created jobs and raised the unemployment figures by at least 3 percentage points
GOP Monster
April 22nd, 2011
1:44 pm
Harry 1:43, I’ve tried a bite or two. Not always tasty. Depends on which parts of the GOP you’re dining on.
Gm
April 22nd, 2011
1:45 pm
Jay
Please tell me what part of my coments are not truth?
BMDPD
The truth cuts like a knife
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:45 pm
HDB….how do you know that presidents didnt have to prove their citizenship. Shame on everyone if they didnt.
I am sure if Arnold ran the first thing the left would do is bring up his citizenship.
Has nothing to do with race or the society in which we live.
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
1:45 pm
GOP Monster says : “The Truth Will Prevail!”
. . . . aaaaaaand you already missed the boat.! The President was born in Hawaii. He is eligible to be President of the United States of America, and was elected as such.
That’s the truth, and it prevails!
Lawrence
April 22nd, 2011
1:45 pm
Jay..
When they speak of great minds, yours should be omitted. Is there a Republican that you don’t hate?
Or a Democrat that you don’t absolutely love?
According to your blogs, the answer is no in both cases.
RB from Gwinnett
April 22nd, 2011
1:46 pm
“He was born in Hawaii cons but you can’t let it go.”
You’ll have to excuse us if we don’t take your word for that, getaclue. We’d like to see some proof.
How many of you liberals believed Clinton when he said “I did not have sex with that woman, Ms Lewenski” too? You probably still believe all the other Clinton victims were lying too because they never produced a stained blue dress with his DNA on it.
Perhaps you believe only becasue you want to believe and not because of any evidenc you have to support your belief???
buck@gon
April 22nd, 2011
1:46 pm
POSTED TO AUGMENT AN EARLIER ARGUMENT:
Cynthia,
So, the Democrat mantra is, as your “wise” colleague, Jay Bookman said, is to (to borrow his phrase) “hold a gun” to the head of the economy and demand your preferred hope and change.
“Perhaps we’ll get serious when gas reaches ten dollars a gallon.”
You’re making me laugh, Tucker. Maybe….. Maybe…… just maybe the ajc will get serious and hire an editorial editor with insight, intelligence and the notion that truth is a value universal in application and that sophistry is just worthless.
Many of the articles you write are worthy of correction, but this one…it is difficult to know where to begin. I humbly suggest that correction commence with your immediate firing / resignation.
GOP Monster
April 22nd, 2011
1:47 pm
LD. Don’t be so logical. We’re dealing with emotions here.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
1:47 pm
Having run on the issues back in November 2010, and taken a beat-down the likes of which this country has rarely seen, the left is desperate to make the upcoming 2012 elections all about ANYTHING but issues. And, like a good liberal media lapdog, Bookman has clearly received his marching orders from the DNC.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:48 pm
RB….nice!
larry
April 22nd, 2011
1:48 pm
This is just the latest in a series of lies and distortions that come up every time a Democrat becomes president. Remember what they said about Clinton, whitewater and he shot Vincent Foster or Vincent Foster was having an affair with Hillary. All of that was proven false , just like this nonsense. I , for one, cant understand the so-called newschannels infactuation with this.
He was born in the U.S. in the state of Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961. Case closed . Time to move on.
Misty Fyed
April 22nd, 2011
1:48 pm
Weren’t we hearing this nonsense about the death of the GOP leading into the last election? Keep dreaming Jay.
buck@gon
April 22nd, 2011
1:48 pm
Given all the uproarious defense of Obama-as-US-citizen, and given the dreck published in this ajc in defense of HIM, one wonders if indeed, the left-wing conspiracy is not some washed up group of demons, intent upon obfuscating for the one born of a jackal.
GOP Monster
April 22nd, 2011
1:48 pm
Look, on the upside, at least the guy’s from Kenya. It could’ve been Zimbabwe, and that would’ve been a real disaster. Though, then he might’ve learned the benefits of capitalism.
Oh well.
mm
April 22nd, 2011
1:49 pm
UGA,
You are full of it. You shouldn’t trash the good name of UGA with your posted garbage. The economy was losing 700,000 jobs a month before Bush left office. And he pushed his debt total to $5 trillion when he signed TARP.
You are a blind partisan hack. And don’t call me one. I’m an independant. You know, one of the voters both parties try so hard to get. But the GOP has lost their mind, and the indie vote.
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
1:49 pm
“Harry 1:43, I’ve tried a bite or two. Not always tasty. Depends on which parts of the GOP you’re dining on.”GOP Monster
GMonster, please keep your alternative lifestyle to yourself:-)
Atlanta 1
April 22nd, 2011
1:50 pm
Wasted time and energy on all’s part.
At the end of the day – if’s a Birth Cerficate of Certificate of Birth (and there is a BIG difference) – it doesn’t matter. He’s the guy who will be in office and running for re-election.
When election time comes around, the Republicans will have settled on a candidate.
The economy will decide this. If gas is $5.00 and gallon and we are struggling along with 8 percent or higher unemployment – he’ll lose.
If gas is floating around $3.50 a gallon and unemployment is in the 7′S – he’ll win.
Unless he does something ‘really stupid’ – and he will not. Already moving toward the center.
Unless the Republican does/says something ‘really stupid’ – which those odds depend on the ‘republican’
To Christians… Happy Good Friday and have a blessed Easter Weekend. “He has risen”
mm
April 22nd, 2011
1:50 pm
“How many of you liberals believed Clinton when he said “I did not have sex with that woman, Ms Lewenski” too?”
Nobody cared but the wingnuts.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:51 pm
MM….again you need to read…
startthinkingright.wordpress.com/…/why-is-american-unemployment-under- obama-rising-faster-than-in-other-countries/
“blind partisan hack”….here comes the name calling! I WIN!!
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
1:51 pm
“The problem is that PRIOR to president Obama, NO President/Presidential candidate had to authenticate his American citizenship”
No, the problem is that PRIOR to president Obama, we never hada president who claims to be an American and a Christian, but changed his name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama. Prior to president Obama, we never had a president who doesn’t seem to have any childhood friends or teachers or yearbook photos or anything.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:51 pm
mm……ever hear of purjury?
BMDPD
April 22nd, 2011
1:51 pm
Liberalism: The Monster that Destroyed the United States!
Libertarian
April 22nd, 2011
1:52 pm
“He’s already created more jobs”
And how did he do that? Wave his magic wand?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:52 pm
mm….when obama took office unemployment was around 7.5% now it is at 9.6%.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:53 pm
Libertarian…..hahahaah good one.
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
1:53 pm
RB says: “You’ll have to excuse us if we don’t take your word for that”
You mean you won’t accept the legal copy of the document that the STATE OF HAWAII issues to confirm the birth place of the President?
Well, if you won’t accept THAT then, really, you must fall into the camp of “i don’t like him SO much, I’ll believe what I want to believe and no evidence will dissuade me from it!”
Another Question: “How many of you liberals believed Clinton when he said “I did not have sex with that woman, Ms Lewenski” too?”
Well, you have to get the quote correct first: “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”
Oh, I knew IMMEDIATELY when I heard that, and the use of the phrase “sexual relations” that SOMETHING SEXUAL happened. Anyone who knew the president would also know of Clinton’s particular use of vocabulary and his own definitions of phrases to know that something happened.
Now, can you show me ANY EVIDENCE that the President was NOT born in Hawaii?
BMDPD
April 22nd, 2011
1:53 pm
Gm, I will gladly dispute your trash statement.
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
April 22nd, 2011
1:53 pm
“…and taken a beat-down the likes of which this country has rarely seen…”
Alas, such conveniently short memories.
Would it be similar to those back to back humiliations of 2006 and 2008?
Whereby the GOP lost a jaw-dropping 93% of all the contested races for the United States Congress, state houses and of course, the White House.
Including a never-to-be repeated ZERO for 36 in 2006. A clean sweep against the neo-cons.
Surely you reactionaries remember all of that, right?
Jay
April 22nd, 2011
1:53 pm
Hilarious.
You guys really are hilarious.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
1:54 pm
Wow the cons are showing their inability to have rational thought today. Presented with actual facts they cannot contradict they blame others, claim something is fishy, demand proof (while not addressing the evidence existing) and claim their victimhood.
What was the quote from Jay’s blog the other day: You can fix ignorance but stupid is forever.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:55 pm
AmVet….NOPE….2010 was MUCH greater!! AMEN!
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
1:55 pm
Anybody else notice that during the Bush administration, Bookman wrote daily about budget deficits, tax policy, and foreign wars, but now with his hero Barack Obama failing miserably at every facet of his job, Bookman is curiously fixated on a few extremists and long-shot GOP presidential candidates, and seems not to know or care about any of the serious current political issues in this country?
Dave R.
April 22nd, 2011
1:55 pm
“hmm. so you don’t find yourself more in agreement with Trump’s views on topics of “substance” than you would’ve, say, eight years ago?”
No, stands, since I don’t agree with his pro-life stance. However, if the Donald says that Hope & Punt ™ is the worst President ever, I’m glad he finally came around to my way of thinking.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:55 pm
Keep…..yep he got that from my pal Ron White (Comedian).
itpdude
April 22nd, 2011
1:56 pm
I despise the Tea Party and the GOP, but just one question: How difficult is it to produce a birth certificate to put this issue to bed once and for all?
GOP Monster
April 22nd, 2011
1:57 pm
USMC 1:49 sorry. But I don’t get to eat very often, low metabolism you know.
On this month’s menu is Mitt. May is roasted Tim Pawlenty. June is Huntsman with Hollandaise. July is marinated Mitch Daniels.
I haven’t quite arranged the order for Huckabee, Palin, Bachmann. They’ll be the last to go. Trump will be dessert sometime after the primaries are over.
Eating once a month is such a bummer. But the current occupant of the White House is busy eating businesses daily for breakfast lunch and dinner. Such a pig. I’ll be much less gluttonous in my eating habits if we can just get the turkey in chief out of office.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
1:57 pm
“What was the quote from Jay’s blog the other day: You can fix ignorance but stupid is forever.”
Yeah Keep Up, and YOU are the poster child for that statement. Want me to post a link to your ignorant bleatings that just because the Duke Lacrosse players were exonerated doesn’t mean they aren’t guilty?
LMAO
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
1:57 pm
Jay,
If it really bothers liberals and Obama that much why doesn’t he just release the complete birth certificate and shut the birthers up? Seems to me he could make them look really foolish by doing so. Or is he not releasing his certificate in a cynical attempt to keep the controversy going? I’ll go with the cynical attempt to keep the controversy going.
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
1:58 pm
In regard to the phrase “I did no have sexual relations with that woman”, and all of the other apologetic politicians when found with a woman. . .
I am waiting for the day when a politician comes out and says “Hoooo boy! I sure did! It was great! And I’ll do it again!”
Dave R.
April 22nd, 2011
1:58 pm
I’ll repeat to you birthers on Jay’s blog.
Hope & Punt ™ was downloaded from the womb of an American citizen, thereby automatically making him an American citizen.
Got it?
Case closed.
Move on.
kevin
April 22nd, 2011
1:58 pm
RB from Gwinnett,
There is nothing but evidence to support the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii and NO evidence to the contrary. See my post at 1:41.
Atlanta 1,
In the state of Hawaii, no citizen can get a copy of a birth certificate–only a certificate of live birth. There is no difference.
Del
April 22nd, 2011
1:58 pm
I would be more concerned with his Muslim upbringing and he’s known associations with far-left radicals than I would be his actual birth place. I’m not so much concerned with those areas as I am now about his dismal incompetency that’s holding this country back. While I believe it’s likely he will be a one term president, he can still do a lot more damage in the balance of time he has remaining in this first term.
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
1:58 pm
Thulsa,
He issued what the State of Hawaii issues. Why does ANYONE have a problem with that?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
1:59 pm
Harry, do you know about the president that is thought to have been born in Canada (you can look it up yourself). But let’s just get it out there. He was not “hated” by one party for absurdities like his religion, race or some other factor to make him illegitimate.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
1:59 pm
A real test of whether or not Republicans will field a candidate capable of winning the Nov election will be the Party’s treatment of Romney. His opponents may lay off the religion issue. They may even grudgingly accept the notion that they’re supposed to believe states should run their own affairs (the health care thing) and that governors should be responsive to their constituents. But if they all turn on him over his denunciation of birther conspiracies, then Obama’s on his way to another four years.
Republicans should be careful. One can shoot oneself in the foot only so many times before one can no longer walk.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
1:59 pm
“How difficult is it to produce a birth certificate to put this issue to bed once and for all?”
Pretty difficult if you don’t have one.
Or, stated another way, about as difficult as producing photo ID at a polling place, another concept that causes liberal to soil their undies at the mere thought….
GOP Monster
April 22nd, 2011
2:00 pm
Our OBC team is also very concerned that Karl Marx himself was Obama’s great grandfather. Oyyyyy.
williebkind
April 22nd, 2011
2:01 pm
It is a conspiracy! The liberals put those documents in just prior to his nomination by the DNC as the presidential candidate. Lets check the age of the documents. The age of the paper should tell us something. I do not trust liberals! They are violate when they dont get their way so this not beyond their radical approach to win at any cost.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
2:01 pm
Harry…buffoonery and lies get you no where… we know you can not be fixed.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:01 pm
“Harry, do you know about the president that is thought to have been born in Canada ”
No, but I know what “exonerated” means.
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
2:01 pm
itpdude says:’How difficult is it to produce a birth certificate to put this issue to bed once and for all?”
Well, evidently, some people don’t believe that the State Produced document showing the information is valid. I’m still trying to figure out why that is.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:02 pm
“Harry…buffoonery and lies get you no where”
You ought to know!
Gm
April 22nd, 2011
2:03 pm
BMDPD Ok, How conservatives with money beside trump and other minorities in this country trashing the President of the United States?
Blacks disagreed with Bush most did not like him but did you see any of thing trying to degrade the President?
This tell people around the world who love America and who does not.
GOP Monster
April 22nd, 2011
2:03 pm
Logical Dude 2:01 – I’ve already eaten the newspapers showing his birth announcement, as well as the whole Hawaii State Department of Records. Both tasted pretty chalky to be honest. Lots of fiber though.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
2:03 pm
itpdude
“just one question: How difficult is it to produce a birth certificate to put this issue to bed once and for all?”
I’m afraid even that wouldn’t settle things for them. See, they’ve spent all this time writing about “your GOD Obama” that unless the “Father” line says “Elohim” or “God” or some such, then they won’t be happy. They’ll just start asking God to prove He really is God and it’ll just never end…..
kevin
April 22nd, 2011
2:03 pm
Harry Callahan,
According to the Director of Health in Hawaii, he does have a birth certificate. But, birth certificates are not released to the public in Hawaii–only certificates of live birth. Read my post at 1:41. Also, two independent Hawaiian newspapers have birth announcements of Barack Obama when he was born. So, I suppose this conspiracy dates back to 1961 and we can add 2 local newspapers to the list of conspirators.
For all of you still suggesting Obama was not born in this country, despite overwhelming evidence, you are just embarassing yourselves.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
2:03 pm
How many times do you have to say: Hawaii says he was born there and all that can be obtained by state law by the President has been posted.
Where’s the evidence from the GOP birther circus clowns?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:03 pm
THULSA….>YOU ARE A LIAR!!! HERE IS THE VIDEO…
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec0_1303444048
You my dear should be banned from breathing….
GOP Monster
April 22nd, 2011
2:04 pm
I love America! Americans taste good. Doc says they’re fatty though, so I’m trying to cut back. Europeans are healthier.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:04 pm
Maybe somebody should have Dan Rather look for Obama’s birth certificate. He had no trouble locating George W. Bush’s Texas Air Guard personnel documents.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:05 pm
Gm…..didnt see the left degrade the president(W)? Really you guys are still doing it today. Wow you guys are such liars.
It is no wonder none of you can be taken seriously.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:05 pm
“For all of you still suggesting Obama was not born in this country, despite overwhelming evidence, you are just embarassing yourselves.”
Maybe you should tell Chris Matthews over at MSNBC, because he said he’d like Obama to produce it too.
GOP Monster
April 22nd, 2011
2:05 pm
“For all of you still suggesting Obama was not born in this country, despite overwhelming evidence, you are just embarassing yourselves.”
Suggesting? Hardly. We are fast on the track to hunt down his Kenyan Birth Certificate. Give us a few more quarters…, at most a year or two.
larry
April 22nd, 2011
2:05 pm
Ask Michelle Bachmann if he has a real certificate. I loved the look on her face when George held up the Presidents birth certificate.
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
2:06 pm
“On this month’s menu is Mitt. May is roasted Tim Pawlenty. June is Huntsman with Hollandaise. July is marinated Mitch Daniels.”-GOP Monster
Yeah, I think GOP Senator Larry Graig is trying to break in line:-)
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
2:06 pm
Afternoon, Dave R.
“Case closed. Move on.”
You’re actually trying to invoke the Constitution in your arguments with hard right Republicans?!!?
Let me know how that works out for ya -
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:06 pm
“According to the Director of Health in Hawaii, he does have a birth certificate. But, birth certificates are not released to the public in Hawaii”
How convenient.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:06 pm
Gm….also learn proper english!
Gm
April 22nd, 2011
2:06 pm
Gm
April 22nd, 2011
2:03 pm
BMDPD
How many conservatives with money besides trump and other minorties in this country do you see trashing the President of the United States ?
Blacks disagreed with Bush most did not like him but did you see any of thiem trying to degrade the President?
This tell people around the world who love America and who does not.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
2:07 pm
larry, that was funny. She squirmed and squirmed. But she’ll backtrack
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:07 pm
“You’re actually trying to invoke the Constitution in your arguments with hard right Republicans?!!?”
Yeah, it’s kind of like liberals and guns, or liberals and government-mandated health care, or liberals and private property right, or………………………………
larry
April 22nd, 2011
2:08 pm
He had no trouble locating George W. Bush’s Texas Air Guard personnel documents.
Speaking of which, has anyone located George’s Alabama Air National Guard documents ?
Or did he just skip out when he wanted to. To work on a political campign ?
Barack Obama
April 22nd, 2011
2:08 pm
In my dreams I was born in Kenya
Dave R.
April 22nd, 2011
2:09 pm
You know me, Paul. Just trying to bring a spark of sanity into the insane world of the Bookman blog.
Our host included!
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:09 pm
“Speaking of which, has anyone located George’s Alabama Air National Guard documents ? ”
I dunno. Anybody seen Obama’s college transcripts?
RB from Gwinnett
April 22nd, 2011
2:09 pm
I love how the simpletons in the crew want to pretend nobody knows about the difference in the long form and short form birth certificates issued in Hawaii at the time.
We know he showed his short form. Nobody is arguing that. Stop telling us he showed his short form birth certificate.
The long form birth certificate, the one that says what hospital he was born in and the name of the attending physician, etc. is being hidden for some completely unknown reason. I have no idea if it says he was born in China, had 2 mothers, is from Mars or what. Why is he hiding that and why is he hiding his college thesis. In fact, why is pretty much everything about the man’s past being hidden?
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:09 pm
Anybody seen the Rose Law Firm billing records?
TaxPayer
April 22nd, 2011
2:09 pm
I’d like to give this “motivated reasoning” a shot with Republicans but I’ve yet to hear anything positive about them so I can put it to the test.
Gm
April 22nd, 2011
2:10 pm
UGA1999
I’m sorry typing to fast: ” just as fast as the the Gators own you losers 19 out of 21 ””””
Jay
April 22nd, 2011
2:10 pm
I remember the days when only Scout would spout such nonsense. Now look at how the virus has spread. Somebody call the CDC, we need an outbreak investigation.
kevin
April 22nd, 2011
2:10 pm
Birthing Clowns,
What don’t you understand about Hawaiian law prohibits the public release of birth certificates accept when legislated by the courts with probable cause! NO person born in Hawaii can request a copy of his or her birth certificate and get anything but a certificate of live birth.
Pure and simple, those who think Barack Obama was not born in this country choose to do so despite absolutely NO evidence to the contrary–way to be objective. These same people probably think Bush administration did not lie about WMDs to get us to go to war in Iraq, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Way to go!
larry
April 22nd, 2011
2:10 pm
I see where Nevada’s swinging Senator is resigning immediately .
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:10 pm
Harry….they cant even find any of his yearbook pictures or transcripts from high school. There is also no record of his financials for college.
Dave R.
April 22nd, 2011
2:10 pm
“He had no trouble locating George W. Bush’s Texas Air Guard personnel documents.”
You mean the one’s that were proven to be faked, larry?
‘Cause they WERE fakes.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:11 pm
Anybody seen the contents of Vince Foster’s office?
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
2:11 pm
Harry,
Some of your comments seem to indicate you have doubts about the document the State of Hawaii issued to Obama.
Really, I want to hear you say it out loud “I don’t think Obama was born in Hawaii, and the document is a fake”.
Or, I want you to say it out loud “I know it’s real document, Obama was born in Hawaii, but it’s gets better ratings to say that it could be a fake and deflect actual progress”.
Otherwise, I don’t see how anyone can believe it’s completely faked.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:11 pm
Gm….i know you didnt go to school there. SO you are just someone who stares at the television and pulls for a school that you have no affiliation with? Great job!
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:12 pm
kevin…..that does not stop him from releasing it.
Brian
April 22nd, 2011
2:12 pm
The Birthers will shut when the 9/11 Truthers shut up
Joe
April 22nd, 2011
2:12 pm
It certainly is the narrative of far lefty’s like you Jay to keep bringing this up. The American people are much smarter than you give them credit for though. You people are the ones who bring it up in every single interview with a Republican. I don’t hear Hannity, Greta, or O’Reilly talking about this crap. The folks are obviously realizing who the real lunatics are based on last November elections. People want to hear about how we’re going to fix the economy and what to do about these outrageous gas prices that Obama helped create. It almost makes you left freaks seem childish and immature because you don’t want to talk about the issues facing the nation. I think most people would agree that Obama’s birth certificate is close to the bottom of the list for priorities right now.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
2:12 pm
Dave R
“Our host included! ”
Just couldn’t resist, could ya?
I got a kick out of the way Jay said he wished Democrats were clever enough to have planned this. As it is, Republicans did it all by themselves. Frankly, I’m surprised at how long it took the party strategists to say “oh, nuts, what have we done?!!?”
kevin
April 22nd, 2011
2:12 pm
RB from Gwinnett,
It’s not being hidden. NO ONE IN HI can get a personal copy of his or her birth certificate except under legislative order. There has been no such order in the case of Obama, b/c only right wing yahoos are persuing this nonsense.
GOP Monster
April 22nd, 2011
2:12 pm
“Somebody call the CDC, we need an outbreak investigation.”
You can’t hope to contain me. Skynet is everywhere.
larry
April 22nd, 2011
2:12 pm
Did anyone actually see the informant named ” Curveball” ?
More lies
April 22nd, 2011
2:12 pm
Someone please enlighten me on “all the money” President Obama has spent to keep his birth certificate from being released. Money spent on what??
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
2:12 pm
“According to the Director of Health in Hawaii, he does have a birth certificate. But, birth certificates are not released to the public in Hawaii”
How convenient
____
Yes Obama the baby had Hawaii put in their statutes that requirement years and in other states, Its all part of the conspiracy. Even the baby Obama can outsmart birthers.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:12 pm
The truth is that yes, I believe he was born in Hawaii. I just want to know why he is so secretive and is so undocumented.
Dave R.
April 22nd, 2011
2:13 pm
“I see where Nevada’s swinging Senator is resigning immediately ”
Yeah, Republicans vacate their seats when caught.
Anybody know what Charlie Rangel is doing these days? Oh, that’s right! STIIL in office . . .
‘Nuff said!
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
April 22nd, 2011
2:14 pm
Gm, LOL.
Which may explain why most of the dawgs here have such incredible difficulty with math, English critical thinking skills, history, science and on and on and on…
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:14 pm
“Pure and simple, those who think Barack Obama was not born in this country choose to do so despite absolutely NO evidence to the contrary”
No evidence to the contrary would mean no evidence that he WAS boirn in this country.
Read/write much?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
2:14 pm
ug…yes it does. Do learn the law. You’re incurable.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:14 pm
AmVet….where did you go? honestly?
GOP Monster
April 22nd, 2011
2:14 pm
Pro-Birther is nothing new. I have always been a part of the Republican platform ever since abortion became legal. Duh. Why am I all of a sudden a big deal and in the press so much?
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
2:15 pm
RB says: “The long form birth certificate, the one that says what hospital he was born in and the name of the attending physician, etc. is being hidden for some completely unknown reason.”
Well, the reason is Hawaii state law, not some mysterious “unknown reason” that you claim here.
How about giving us SOME PHYSICAL EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS NOT BORN IN HAWAII.??????
You keep harping about the “long form”, but as far as we know, it is EVIDENCE THAT OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII.
I have no patience for those wanting to see the long form. I want to know why people believe that Obama was born somewhere else when there is NO EVIDENCE?
Dave R.
April 22nd, 2011
2:15 pm
“I got a kick out of the way Jay said he wished Democrats were clever enough to have planned this. As it is, Republicans did it all by themselves.”
Actually, Paul, I was reading the history on this issue on Politico.com today, and it was started and then spread by DEMOCRATS during Hillary’s run. It was even perpetuated by a 9/11 “truther”!
You can’t make this stuff up . . .
kevin
April 22nd, 2011
2:15 pm
UGA 1999,
he is not secretive and undocumented. he has produced a certificate of live birth, the only thing a person born in HI can produce and that is documentation.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:15 pm
Logical Dude,
Obama is hiding something. I doubt it is his place of birth, but he is DEFINITELY hiding something.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:17 pm
Harry…..I agree.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:18 pm
Why cant the left at least admit that it is somewhat suspicious that there is really no record of his youth, his education or his finances? Come on guys just alittle?
Libertarian
April 22nd, 2011
2:18 pm
“Well, the reason is Hawaii state law”
Well, Obama should have a copy of his own long-form birth certificate, shouldn’t he?
All I know is the new book “Where’s the birth Certificate” is #1 on Amazon…so apparently a lot of folks are curious.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
2:18 pm
Here’s what we can expect at a GOP debate this year:
Mitt: I’m Mitt.
Palin: I quit
Trump: I’m full of sh*t
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:18 pm
“he is not secretive and undocumented”
Really? Because I’d like to know who paid for that Ivy League education. I’d like to know who is coming and going from the White House to meet with him. I’d like to know where the $1 Billion he plans to raise for his re-election is coming from.
Guess I’ll have to get in line.
JP
April 22nd, 2011
2:18 pm
Dave R. -
Yawn.
Did David Vitter step down?
TaxPayer
April 22nd, 2011
2:19 pm
If Obama had not been born, he would have snake eyes and a forked tongue, like Republicans.
Makes no sense
April 22nd, 2011
2:19 pm
So birthers don’t believe the certified certificate in HI is legit. Ok, so if states enact legislation to verify such matters themselves, you’ll all be satisfied? As if AZ or whatever state has better technology to “verify” a document? Or is it that you don’t believe HI, but will believe another state? Same argument could exist.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:20 pm
Keep up….
Obama: I am a failure.
Left wing management
April 22nd, 2011
2:20 pm
Joe 2:12, classic denialism, calling the kettle black, whistling past the graveyard.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:20 pm
“Why cant the left at least admit that it is somewhat suspicious that there is really no record of his youth, his education or his finances? Come on guys just alittle?”
Because they don’t care, just like they don’t care that Bill Clinton was a serial adulterer/sexual harasser/liar/perjurer.
To liberals, character doesn’t matter…well, except if we’re talking Newt Gingrich, in which case they think it’s ALL that matters.
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
2:20 pm
Obama’s Louis the XV Budget:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/17/AR2011021705270.html?nav=emailpage
kevin
April 22nd, 2011
2:20 pm
Libertarian
April 22nd, 2011
2:18 pm
He legally cannot attain a long form copy of birth certificate just like everyone else born in HI. Why is this so hard to grasp?
JP
April 22nd, 2011
2:21 pm
So does that mean everyone born in Hawaii without their original birth certificate was born outside the US?
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
2:21 pm
Harry says: Obama is hiding something
Well, DUH! and it’s not going to be found on his “long form” birth certificate. Nor will it be found on his college essays. It’s because he is President, and Presidents like that Executive Power that they are given, and it is a DIFFICULT thing to give that up once you get it.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:21 pm
Harry….arent you forgetting the claims that Clinton was also a rapist?
larry
April 22nd, 2011
2:21 pm
I guess no one has heard about academic scholorships have they?
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
2:22 pm
Dave R
Regardless of who may have planted the seed, it found fertile ground in the imaginations of the Republican base.
And they didn’t even need fertilizer. They made their own.
Logical Dude
Good luck with your 2:11. That 2:15 is as definite an answer as you’ll likely to get.
Harry, can you help us out here? Does “I doubt” mean “I think the bulk of the evidence is that Pres Obama is not an American citizen?”
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:22 pm
Logical….honestly man….you dont think Obama and is upbringing and past are extremely secretive and hidden? This is even compared to other presidents R’s and D’s.
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
2:22 pm
Charles Krauthammer nails it on Obama’s Hyper-Liberalism Failure
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the_racing_form_2012/2011/04/21/AFT4TxKE_story.html?nav=emailpage
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:22 pm
Larry….why is there no record of a scholarship given to Obama?
kevin
April 22nd, 2011
2:23 pm
Harry Callahan,
Regarding his education, here you go. From a news source you no doubt trust (despite sukking)
Barack Obama paid for college with student loans and the help of his grandparents .
both he and wife Michelle finished paying off their loans as recent as last year.
Here is an article from FOX NEWS!
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/09/michelle-obama-baracks-book-sales-paid-off-our-student-loans/
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:23 pm
Anybody want to see video of Michelle Obama calling Kenya “his home country” while discussing her husband, the president? Just click here…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M7Rp_Ghv6k
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:23 pm
USMC….AMEN!
TaxPayer
April 22nd, 2011
2:24 pm
I want to see Trump’s Long 1040 Form.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:25 pm
Hey guys….who is Barry Soetoro???
Jefferson
April 22nd, 2011
2:25 pm
It makes the GOP look like children.
larry
April 22nd, 2011
2:26 pm
I want to see Trumps long form birth certificate. I dont believe he was born in the U.S. myself.
Kamchak
April 22nd, 2011
2:26 pm
Tick…tick…tick…. — yet again.
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
2:26 pm
UGA1999
depends on how you interpret “secretive and hidden”. I’m not motivated to try to dig up every little piece of dirt on every president. I dont’ think it’s any different from other Presidents, either democrat or republican. The only difference I see is the people TRYING to dig up every little piece of dirt, and when there isn’t anything to dig up, there’s the “he must be hidding something!”
I’m MUCH more concerned about where this country is going, having a more balanced budget, having lower unemployment, and paying my own bills than trying to figure out something that really, just ISN’T THAT IMPORTANT IN DAY TO DAY MATTERS.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:26 pm
“Hey guys….who is Barry Soetoro???”
He’s the guy who decided to pay homage to his Christian, Hawaiin, and American roots by changing his name to Barack Hussein Obama.
Jay
April 22nd, 2011
2:26 pm
He is your worst nightmare come to life, UGA.
Next question?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:27 pm
Jay….who?
TaxPayer
April 22nd, 2011
2:27 pm
Jon Kyl is offering tutoring between sessions on how to make facts disappear from the records.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:27 pm
“Hey guys….who is Barry Soetoro???”
He’s the dude that befriended Bill Ayers because he’s such a fun guy to hang out with.
Joe Cool
April 22nd, 2011
2:28 pm
We know who you BIRTHERS ARE~~~~
1:
http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001517687/4945647884_birther_country_back_answer_3_xlarge.jpeg
2:For you USMC
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/assets_c/2010/02/birtherssml-thumb-300×398-thumb-300×398.jpg
larry
April 22nd, 2011
2:28 pm
“Hey guys….who is Barry Soetoro???”
Didnt he play CF for the Richmond Braves in 1987 ?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:28 pm
Logical….great job of dodging the question. But in any case he is doing a great job of destroying the country as well.
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
2:28 pm
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
1:58 pm
Thulsa,
He issued what the State of Hawaii issues. Why does ANYONE have a problem with that?
Logical dude,
That’s not my understanding. My understanding is that he has not released the full birth certificate or didn’t release it at all. I could be mistaken though since I really don’t follow the issue. Personally I don’t care since I believe he was born here and that this is a waste of time. I would just like him to release or re release the full info just so that we can all move on from this nonsense.
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
April 22nd, 2011
2:28 pm
UGA, it’s a big secret.
When you guys find Jimmy Hoffa’s vault, you’ll also find Barry’s long form birth certificate and my curriculum vitae, therein.
But be forewarned, it is being guarded by the former second gunman on the grassy knoll…
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:29 pm
“He is your worst nightmare come to life, UGA.”
That’s the absolute FUNNIEST thing about liberals. The ones who celebrate Obama the longest and loudest are going to be the ones the most screwed by the long-term effects of his policies.
kevin
April 22nd, 2011
2:29 pm
I love comments like “I am not sure what, but I KNOW he is hiding something”. I think the subtext to meaningless claims like this is something like:
I do not like Obama, he is brown, has sympathies towards brown people and maybe even Muslims, has a evil sounding middle name. So, he must be bad!
So stupid.
Velian Hill
April 22nd, 2011
2:29 pm
35% of Democrats, including former “Green Jobs Czar” Van Jones are Truthers. Truthers as you recall think Bush was knew about 9/11 attacks before it happened. Another 26% aren’t sure if Bush knew or not. In other words, a majority of Democrats think (or think it’s possible) the President of the United States allowed 3000 people to be murdered.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/bush_administration/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance
Which is more ludicrous? Birtherism or Trutherism?
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:29 pm
“Didnt he play CF for the Richmond Braves in 1987 ?”
No, that was Brad Komminsk…
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:30 pm
Hey everybody, one of the libbies (kevin) just played the race card! Anybody surprised by that?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:30 pm
OH Barry Soetoro was the false name that Obama used when he attempted to apply for Occidental College as a foreign student from Indonesia!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
2:30 pm
“His home country”….how funny from the incurable harry.
Tell NY/NJ Italian Americans born in this country that the home country is not Italy. You too could be feeding the fishes.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
2:31 pm
“That’s the absolute FUNNIEST thing about liberals. The ones who celebrate Obama the longest and loudest are going to be the ones the most screwed by the long-term effects of his policies.”
Liberals are the small business owners and the millionaires and billionaires?!!?
Left wing management
April 22nd, 2011
2:31 pm
USMC: “Charles Krauthammer nails it on Obama’s Hyper-Liberalism Failure”
Can you say “whistling past the graveyard” ?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:32 pm
Kevin….dont forget he is half white…..oh that must be the conservative part (good side).
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:32 pm
“Hey guys….who is Barry Soetoro???”
He’s the guy that sat in church every Sunday for 20 years listening to his self-described mentor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, preaching hatred of America and of white people.
kevin
April 22nd, 2011
2:32 pm
Harry Callahan,
And what card are you playing when you question the birth of the first african american president in history, having never questioned the same of previous presidents.
Come on, man.
Gm
April 22nd, 2011
2:32 pm
UGA1999 I can say the same for you, but who wants to claim loser ville: Only a UGA idiot would make claims against Obama finance records.
I know its hard to believe at UGA that blacks can be head of the law department at their school like Obama because at UGA thats abnormal all you idiots up there are only concern, how fast blacks can run on the football field and shoot the basketball.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:32 pm
Kevin….that has NOTHING to do with race.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:33 pm
kevin….BTW….he is NOT African American!
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:33 pm
“Liberals are the small business owners and the millionaires and billionaires?!!?”
No, they’re the ones who have not accumulated wealth, and now probably never will…
kevin
April 22nd, 2011
2:33 pm
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
2:31 pm
Great post and spot on! yeah, since when did liberals become the top 3% of money earners in this country?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:34 pm
Gm….isnt that what they are good for?
You still didnt answer my question about what school you attended. Did you make it past 6th grade before your mom put you on the corner to “sling rock”? Truth hurts eh?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
2:34 pm
O’Reilly said his show had looked into the claims about Obama’s birth certificate. Once they found the two Honolulu newspapers which announced his birth, he said he “put [the issue] to bed,” since “that is impossible to make happen” if Obama was not born in a Honolulu hospital. O’Reilly labeled Obama’s mother a “hippie,” and scoffed at the notion that there was a “sophisticated conspiracy” to smuggle Obama into the U.S. and forge his identity.
“What is he, baby Jesus?” he joked.
Libertarian
April 22nd, 2011
2:35 pm
larry
So no one who is born in Hawaii is issued a long birth certificate when they are born??
“guess no one has heard about academic scholorships have they?”
Obama said in his book he was a “mediocre” student while at Occidental…how does a “mediocre” student get a scholorship to an Ivy League college? It doesn’t add up.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:35 pm
“And what card are you playing when you question the birth of the first african american president in history, having never questioned the same of previous presidents. ”
None of the previous presidents in my life time had such mysterious pasts as Obama, but I don’t want to get in the way your ability to play the race card, I know you libbies get really amped up about that.
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
2:35 pm
“I do not like Obama, he is brown, has sympathies towards brown people and maybe even Muslims, has a evil sounding middle name. So, he must be bad!”- Kevin
Kevin,
so this is what you think other people mean. In other words its your own conjecture, assertion, interpretation, stereotype, of what you think other people think about Obama, etc Glad we got that cleared up.
Libertarian
April 22nd, 2011
2:36 pm
Wow I just watched that McDonald’s video. It is sickening.
Wade
April 22nd, 2011
2:36 pm
Truth, you crack me up. I guess your truth is relavent to your perspective. It must be fun to live in your imaginary world. Keep posting please, I need the entertainment.
TaxPayer
April 22nd, 2011
2:36 pm
Republicans want their imagination of the truth so bad, they will believe any concoction that comes along to support it. Take taxes for example.
With great bravado, the Journal claims that even the income of the top 10% of the taxpayers wouldn’t close the deficit. The top 10% reported $3,856 billion in AGI, equal to 46% of total reported income in the United States, almost 27 percent of GDP. On that, they paid $721 billion in personal federal income taxes, or an average of 18.7% of income. If the remaining 81% of income were paid in federal income taxes, the increment in tax revenues would be more than $3,100 billion, or roughly 21% of GDP. The budget deficit would obviously be closed many times over.
Yet, the cons on this blog were all over that yarn like flies on… well, you know.
HDB
April 22nd, 2011
2:37 pm
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
1:45 pm
Up to this point, all Presidents/Presidential candidates have basically been assumed to have followed the Constitutional requirements:
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
Until President Obama, there has been no minority candidate that has gotten this far in the process; because of a funny name, skin color, and hysteria…..the birthers are born!! Note: no Caucasian President/Presidential candidate has had to PROVE his citizenship!!
It IS the society….it IS his race…..and it IS EVIDENT!!
Kind of funny...
April 22nd, 2011
2:37 pm
…when someone posts a link to another columnist – columnist, mind you – to “refute” Jay’s column.
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
2:37 pm
Not a good day to be playing the race card given that given the brutality of that attack at McDonald’s today- it was horrifying.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:37 pm
kevin
April 22nd, 2011
2:33 pm
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
2:31 pm
“Great post and spot on! yeah, since when did liberals become the top 3% of money earners in this country?”
LMAO at kevin and Paul…you really think the top 3% are going to passively roll over and take it up the yazoo by Obama? HINT: You don’t get to be in the top 3% be being lazy and passive.
kevin
April 22nd, 2011
2:37 pm
Libertarian,
How does a C student at Yale get into the Harvard law. Answer is George Bush Senior
Dave R.
April 22nd, 2011
2:38 pm
“He is your worst nightmare come to life, UGA.”
In so many ways, Jay.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
2:38 pm
Harry
““Liberals are the small business owners and the millionaires and billionaires?!!?”
No, they’re the ones who have not accumulated wealth, and now probably never will…”
You said the liberals who most celebrate him are those who will be most negatively affected by his policies. So far, the policy that has received the most attention for a negative affect is his proposal to increase taxes on the top tier.
Now you say that is not the group who will be most negatively affected by his policies.
Who then comprises that group of liberals most negatively affected?
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:38 pm
Hey everybody, HDB just played hte race card!!! Anybody surprised by that?
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
2:39 pm
Harry
Reading your answer another way, are you saying the liberals who are not millionaires or billionaires are those liberals who will be most negatively affected by Pres Obama’s policies?
How?
Libertarian
April 22nd, 2011
2:39 pm
Kevin
Didn’t answer my question, did you? But I won’t dodge yours like the libs on this board dodge mine…Yes, I’m sure his father pulled strings for him to get in. Who pulled strings for Obama? Who paid?
Bose55
April 22nd, 2011
2:40 pm
That’s not my understanding. My understanding is that he has not released the full birth certificate or didn’t release it at all. I could be mistaken though since I really don’t follow the issue. Personally I don’t care since I believe he was born here and that this is a waste of time. I would just like him to release or re release the full info just so that we can all move on from this nonsense.
Thulsa
Your understanding is wrong. Go read Hawaii’s privacy laws. He has released the only copy currently obtainable from the government. He can personally go inspect the original, but inspecting it certainly is not the same as publicly displaying it. If it bothers you so much, focus on changing Hawaii’s law they implemented in 2000.
Gm
April 22nd, 2011
2:40 pm
UGA1999
Now, Now, calm down, I know you have not been out your trailer in a while, but Obama has broken the stero type image you and your bubbas at UGA are use to.
Joe Cool
April 22nd, 2011
2:40 pm
“Hey guys….who is Barry Soetoro???”
The Muslin, Kenyan, Indonesian, Marxist, Illegal Alien, Black man who outsmarted the WHOLE GOP, The Clintons, and McCain’s to win the presidency.
AMAZING AINT IT?? lol
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:40 pm
“Who then comprises that group of liberals most negatively affected?”
The ones at the bottom of the socio-economic scale who think Obama’s policies of punishing the rich and expanding government will ever improve the situation of those at the bottom.
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
2:41 pm
Libertarian,
I don’t know what’s more horrifying about that McDonald’s video- the fact that all the male employees just stood by and watched the whole thing or the half hearted attempt by the manager to stop it or the pure savagery of the beating. The most gutwrenching part was watching the beaten girl go into convulsions at the end of the beating. I would be willing to bet the employees were too stupid to take down a description of the car or the car tag that the 2 women fled in.
Charles
April 22nd, 2011
2:41 pm
Just like the car commercials where the buyer replies, “Just show me the CarFax” we’d all like to see the birth certificate. Most companies now require a copy for their records to be employed in this country – why not the Commander in Chief? But Jay (as always) is following orders from the Democratic Party to attack the messenger when they know they are in the wrong (as usual).
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:41 pm
Gm…..it is “stereotype”…..Good lord!! hahaha
What “stereotype” is that? What stereotypes are there for someone who is half white and half black?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:42 pm
HDB>>>>>hahahaha right….keep believing that!! hahahaha WE WIN!!!
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
2:42 pm
Harry
You never did answer if you thought Obama was born in the US, or is a US citizen.
kevin
Your observation is consistent with past posts.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:42 pm
“Harry
Reading your answer another way, are you saying the liberals who are not millionaires or billionaires are those liberals who will be most negatively affected by Pres Obama’s policies?
How?”
Because, my economic-understanding-challenged liberal friend, in a socialist economy, those who have not already accumulated wealth will never again have a chance to accumulate wealth.
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
2:43 pm
Bose55,
Doesn’t bother me. I could care less. I think the man was born here and that the whole thing is a waste of time. Out of control debt, unemployment, rising gas and inflation, those are far more serious concerns than his birth certificate.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
2:43 pm
Harry 2:42
1. Was Pres Obama born in Hawaii?
2. Who comprises the group of liberals who most loudly praise Pres Obama who will most negatively be affected by his policies?
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:43 pm
“Harry
You never did answer if you thought Obama was born in the US, or is a US citizen. ”
I guess you were unwilling or unable to read my post @ 2:15.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
2:44 pm
Harry
Just saw your 2:40
That’s the ‘who’ but not the ‘how.’
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
2:44 pm
Where was Charles A. Arthor born? Conspiracy!
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:44 pm
“Harry 2:42
1. Was Pres Obama born in Hawaii?”
Probably, but how would I know? HINT: You don’t know for sure either.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:45 pm
“Harry 2:42
2. Who comprises the group of liberals who most loudly praise Pres Obama who will most negatively be affected by his policies?”
I think I’ve answered that three times now. Try to keep up.
Joe Cool
April 22nd, 2011
2:45 pm
“Not a good day to be playing the race card given that given the brutality of that attack at McDonald’s today- it was horrifying.”
Suspect in MLK Day bomb plot charged with hate crimes:
By Laura Myers Laura Myers – Thu Apr 21, 11:57 pm ET
SEATTLE (Reuters) – A reputed neo-Nazi accused of planting a backpack bomb along the parade route of a Martin Luther King Jr. Day celebration was newly charged on Thursday with committing federal hate crimes.
The latest charges against Kevin Harpham, 36, were added to a federal indictment originally returned last month in an alleged bombing attempt in Spokane, Washington, on January 17, a national holiday celebrating the birth of the slain civil rights leader.
TSK, TSK…TBAGG3RS!
Micky D’s fight or B0mbing? Wonder which one is worst………
kevin
April 22nd, 2011
2:46 pm
Libertarian,
Obama paid back student loans and had money from his grandparents. Hell, it was on Fox News even–see post from before. And, who the hell cares who paid for it anyway? How far do you think the conspiracy to make Obama president goes. Pretty soon you’re going to start telling me that Happy Hawaiian daycare gave Obama extra juice boxes to put him in an early stage of power over his fellow kindergartners.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
2:46 pm
Harry 2:42
“Because, my economic-understanding-challenged liberal friend, in a socialist economy, those who have not already accumulated wealth will never again have a chance to accumulate wealth.”
So you are saying that under the Obama administration we have not had any new millionaires? And will not have any more millionaires?
o-kaaaay……
Fix-It
April 22nd, 2011
2:47 pm
Why not shut up both sides and just show the document, then how about school transcripts, why did he seal them?
Joe
April 22nd, 2011
2:47 pm
Raising the birth certificate issue is another example of dems being dishonest. Remember these are the same people that call Tea Partiers raciest with no evidence. These are the same people that blame Bush for having a bad hair day while touting the Clintoon years as wonderful even though Republicans controlled Congress. Dems refuse to talk about real issues that they simply have no answer for. I ask folks this. Have you been better off under Bush or Obama? If you say the latter you’re either naïve or stupid…..
TaxPayer
April 22nd, 2011
2:47 pm
Although Goldman Sachs currently reigns a king of Wall Street, this was not the case in 2008 when the financial industry stood on the brink of collapse. In the midst of the credit crisis, as Lehman was collapsing and Merrill Lynch was going through an emergency takeover, Goldman Sachs sought help from Warren Buffett.
Given his positive outlook for the U.S., Oracle of Omaha was willing to step in and provide Goldman with a $5 billion fund to save the firm from ruin. The deal came with conditions. In return for the funding, Buffett received preferred shares promising a 10% annual dividend, and warrants to purchase $5 billion worth of Goldman common stock at $115 per share.
What was that about liberal billionaires…
… versus the ones that proclaim to do God’s work.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:48 pm
Joe…..“Not a good day to be playing the race card given that given the brutality of that attack at McDonald’s today- it was horrifying.”
What are you talking about?
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:49 pm
“Harry
Just saw your 2:40
That’s the ‘who’ but not the ‘how.’
Steeply progressive income tax rates don’t punish people who already have wealth. Rather, they leave currently working people with only enough to live on, and not enough to invest in wealth creation. Ergo, if you haven’t already accumulated wealth, you likely never will.
High taxes also stifle business investment and job creation. I know you don’t believe that, but, like the law of gravity, the laws of economics exist independantly of your ability tp understand and/or believe.
Joe Cool
April 22nd, 2011
2:49 pm
“Hey guys….who is John McCain???”
The guy who lost to the Muslin, Kenyan, Indonesian, Marxist, Illegal Alien.
LOL
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:49 pm
Joe….waiting?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:50 pm
Joe….OH I GET IT….so it was John McCain that used the name Barry Soetoro and said he was a foreign student…..I get it now.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:50 pm
“So you are saying that under the Obama administration we have not had any new millionaires? And will not have any more millionaires?”
Where did I say that again? Pretty sure I did not…
Obama has not changed tax policy, but has stated his intention to steeply penalize high income earners.
Again, try to keep up. I know it’s hard, but this is an adult forum.
Joe
April 22nd, 2011
2:50 pm
Fix-it:
He’ll never show his transcripts because it would shed light on how stupid he was. You know how liberals tout how brillant he is. If it comes to light his GPA was less than thrilling it would make those liberal pundits look bad…..
Libertarian
April 22nd, 2011
2:51 pm
Thulsa
It is sad, indeed (the video). You can hear the men at the end telling the girls they better leave because the police are coming. I don’t understand how all those people (grown men) can stand around and watch that happen.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
2:51 pm
Harry
“You never did answer if you thought Obama was born in the US, or is a US citizen. ”
I guess you were unwilling or unable to read my post @ 2:15.”
All you said at 2:15 was that you doubted Hawaii is his place of birth. “Hiding something” doesn’t add anything to whether or not you think he’s a citizen.
Does “I doubt Hawaii” equate to “I doubt he’s an American citizen?”
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
2:51 pm
Typical Obama supporter:
Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg98BvqUvCc
Joe
April 22nd, 2011
2:51 pm
An example of how the left plays is me playing the race card. Go back to bed….
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:52 pm
USMC…..I think that is GM….hilarious isnt it!
Joe Cool
April 22nd, 2011
2:52 pm
“Hey guys….who is UGA1999???”
The guy who cant believe theres Muslin, Kenyan, Indonesian, Marxist, Illegal Alien in the White House.
LOL
Bruno
April 22nd, 2011
2:52 pm
Jay–What a wonderful education you have provided this week. Now I realize what dishonest, ugly, evil people the Republicans are.
At any rate, kicking off FNM with USinUK in mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkRx3NZ-qp4
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
2:53 pm
Joe Cool,
I dunno. That girl convulsing on the McDonald’s floor was pretty bad. The difference between that and the neo-nazi is that the neo-nazi planting bomb happens extremely rarely. Assaults like the McDonalds assault happen just about every day. Don’t believe me? How about the MARTA assault by 12-20 teenagers yesterday? Do you really want to start looking up interracial crimes like murder, rape, assault? You don’t want to go there son.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
2:53 pm
Harry 2:49
Thanks for the answer.
You are kind of correct on what I think. I’ve not addressed the ’steeply progressive” tax thing. I do not think a point or two on top of the current marginal rate is anything to disincentivize people.
Fix-It
April 22nd, 2011
2:53 pm
HDB, did you forget your antipsychotic drugs again? EVERY CANDIDATE HAS BEEN VETTED EXCEPT ONE OBOZO, why is that HDB, and if you don’t know what vetted is look it up, but just in case you don’t, part vetting includes your birth certificate and school records…Neither of which Obozo has shown, better yet he had then sealed, why is that HDB?
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
2:53 pm
“Joe…..“Not a good day to be playing the race card given that given the brutality of that attack at McDonald’s today- it was horrifying.” What are you talking about?”
Here, just in case you missed this horrific HATE CRIME:
‘She’s bleeding you…:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec0_1303444048
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:53 pm
Joe….we actually agree on your last post. Great job finally posting something of truth.
HDB
April 22nd, 2011
2:54 pm
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:38 pm
I didn’t play the race card…the birthers did…the GOP did……I’m calling it as I see it!!
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:42 pm
Please name me one President/Presidential candidate PRIOR to President Obama that has been challenged on his citizenship…….
Please name me one President/Presidential candidate PRIOR to President Obama that was a minority and has made it this far in the process……
Please name me one President/Presidential candidate PRIOR to President Obama that has been requested to show his birth certificate…or has had laws PASSED to challenge his citizenship……..
Since the answer is NONE, please indicate as to what ELSE could be made evident for such behavior SAVE the President’s race….since heretofore, this has not been done!!!
Note: the GOP’s treatment of Michael Steele as Chairman of the GOP speaks volumes as to the breath of what birthers are all about………..
Fix-It
April 22nd, 2011
2:54 pm
So true, Joe…
boots
April 22nd, 2011
2:54 pm
Bookman, will you read the Corsi book (#1 on Amazon) or just dismiss it out of hand? Do FACTS play any role in this discussion, or do you just chose to label people and make ad hominem attacks?
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
April 22nd, 2011
2:54 pm
Well, I’m not a birther. I beleive Kenyans that live in America have as many rights as good White folks. I just have a problem with one being President of the U.S. of A.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:55 pm
Thulsa,,,,it was two black girls that attacked the white girl. It is the white girl that is convulsing on the floor. It was back employees of McDonalds that just stood and watched.
Add another white millionaire to our society. CHA CHING!
Libertarian
April 22nd, 2011
2:55 pm
Joe Cool
Both are terrible. Thankfully no one was hurt in the b_mb plot.
(After all this talk about being followed and having my info traced by google, I’m afraid to type the word b_mb
)
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
2:55 pm
USMC,
Man that was hilarious. Obama supporter Peggy Joseph saying she would no longer have to pay for gas in her car or pay for her mortgage now that Obama had been elected. I wonder what she’s thinking today as gas hits another high. Too funny!
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
2:55 pm
Maybe Obama does have lots of experience.
Heck the guy has been to 57 states and plans to visit even more states in the future…
Obama Claims He’s Visited 57 States:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
Joe
April 22nd, 2011
2:56 pm
Absolutely. The left concocts racism whenever they see fit. But they can spew vitriol whenever they like and the so called msm ignores it all day…
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
2:56 pm
Didn’t Obama say in his speech yesterday that coal causes asthma?
Fix-It
April 22nd, 2011
2:56 pm
HDB
“Please name me one President/Presidential candidate PRIOR to President Obama that has been challenged on his citizenship…….”
Do you know why… because they ALL showed the proper documentation, and did NOT have their re cords sealed…
How ignorant can one person be?
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:56 pm
“All you said at 2:15 was that you doubted Hawaii is his place of birth. ”
No, I said (or iintended to say) that what I doubted he was trying to hide was his place of birth.
That still sounds awkward…let’s try again…
I think he is hiding something, but I don’t think his place of birth is what he is trying to hide.
Joe Cool
April 22nd, 2011
2:56 pm
“The difference between that and the neo-nazi is that the neo-nazi planting bomb happens extremely rarely.”
Really, they’re on the lookout for another one you Tbagg3rs in Colombine as of yesterday.
Fix-It
April 22nd, 2011
2:56 pm
records
Libertarian
April 22nd, 2011
2:57 pm
“Tbagg3rs”
How old are you?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:57 pm
Please name me one President/Presidential candidate PRIOR to President Obama that has been challenged on his citizenship…….THERE WAS NEVER A NEED TO.
Please name me one President/Presidential candidate PRIOR to President Obama that was a minority and has made it this far in the process……Alan Keyes, Jesse Jackson, Shirley Chrishom
Please name me one President/Presidential candidate PRIOR to President Obama that has been requested to show his birth certificate…or has had laws PASSED to challenge his citizenship……..THERE WAS NEVER A NEED.
Since the answer is NONE, please indicate as to what ELSE could be made evident for such behavior SAVE the President’s race….since heretofore, this has not been done!!!
Note: the GOP’s treatment of Michael Steele as Chairman of the GOP speaks volumes as to the breath of what birthers are all about………..Steele was a joke!
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
2:58 pm
More lying from Obama. I believe he also said in that speech yesterday that Republicans don’t want to invest in infrastructure and he referenced the Minnesota bridge collapse.
WRONG WRONG WRONG. It has been quite well established that the bridge fell because of a design flaw- it had nothing to do with decay. What an idiot.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:58 pm
Fix-it…..NO KIDDING….he is a joke!.
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
2:58 pm
Who is Barry Soetoro, you ask?
Obama Lies 7 Times In Under 2 Minutes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfu1_Scgyow
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
2:58 pm
Harry
Harry
“So you are saying that under the Obama administration we have not had any new millionaires? And will not have any more millionaires?”
Where did I say that again? Pretty sure I did not…”
“millionaires’ was my interpretation of “, in a socialist economy, those who have not already accumulated wealth will never again have a chance to accumulate wealth.”
You said those who haven’t accumulated wealth will not be able to. Ever. Altho I interpret ‘accumulate wealth’ to be north of 7 figures, if it’s less, the point still stands.
“Obama has not changed tax policy, but has stated his intention to steeply penalize high income earners.”
Again, I don’t consider a couple points on the top marginal rate to be a steep penalty. A minor irritation for some, maybe, but not a steep penalty.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:59 pm
“Obama supporter Peggy Joseph saying she would no longer have to pay for gas in her car or pay for her mortgage now that Obama had been elected.’
Paul, see above…the Obama supporters who celebrated his election the longest and the loudest are the ones most screwed by his policies.
I’m pretty sure the top 3% of wage earners don’t have mortgages, and have little trouble paying for gas.
Kamchak
April 22nd, 2011
2:59 pm
Remember these are the same people that call Tea Partiers raciest[sic] with no evidence.
I wouldn’t call all tea partiers racist, but Dale Robertson, “President and Founder of the Tea Party – TeaParty.org,” certainly provided evidence with his home-made sign in this photo.
http://washingtonindependent.com/73036/n-word-sign-dogs-would-be-tea-party-leader
retiredds
April 22nd, 2011
2:59 pm
The Republicans have nothing else to offer besides the birther quackery. Since they can’t come up with real solutions to the many problems facing the American public they spout stinky garbage. The most interesting thing is, so many Republican voters actually believe this stuff.
boots
April 22nd, 2011
2:59 pm
HDB: Wow. Your post is very off-base and reflects a huge set of assumptions on your part. Regarding Chairman Steele, he was ELECTED by the REPUBLICANS in the first place. He was not “mis-treated,” he just did not win re-election, mostly due to loses that occurred during his term. It was not ever a racial issue, so don’t make it one. Regarding the questions about Obama, there have been questions before about where certain people were born, but you would have to be a student of history to accept this. (Look up Hamilton.) Besides, Obama is the first where serious issues have been raised, and with good reason – he grew up outside the US, one of his parents was not American, and there are serious documentation issues in the US, Phillipines and Kenya that cast a big doubt on the location of his birth. Sorry, but it is true. Forgive me for even asking the question.
Joe
April 22nd, 2011
3:00 pm
HDB:
McCain’s citizenship was questioned on the floor of Congress because he was born in Panama… Don’t ask me for links either genius. Google it yourself….
Cha Ching…..
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
3:00 pm
Just like the car commercials where the buyer replies, “Just show me the CarFax” we’d all like to see the birth certificate.
DEALER: ok, let’s go to carfax.com—enter the VIN—send to the printer…here ya go! Easy as that!
CUSTOMER: but I wanna see the LONNNNNG form!
DEALER: This is the form. It’s validated by Carfax.
CUSTOMER: WHAT ARE YOU HIDING? I DEMAND to KNOW!
AmVet
April 22nd, 2011
3:00 pm
Rock on B.
That entire LP, Face Dancessmokes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHT8v9bw4Nk&feature=related
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
3:01 pm
Joe Cool,
And so how many of these racist bombers have there been since Tim McVeigh 10 years ago? And as for the Columbine bomber you know neither his politics nor his motivation? Um. Nope. Kinda like when you fools jumped to conclusions and thought the crazy dude who shot the Arizona Congresswoman was a teabaggr. And the teabaggr comment- grow up dude.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
3:01 pm
“Again, I don’t consider a couple points on the top marginal rate to be a steep penalty. A minor irritation for some, maybe, but not a steep penalty.”
When they stop investing in and/or expanding businesses, and job creation is stifled, you’ll see the results.
Corey
April 22nd, 2011
3:01 pm
The top-secret world the government created in response to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, has become so large, so unwieldy and so secretive that no one knows how much money it costs, how many people it employs, how many programs exist within it or exactly how many agencies do the same work.
These are some of the findings of a two-year investigation by The Washington Post that discovered what amounts to an alternative geography of the United States, a Top Secret America hidden from public view and lacking in thorough oversight. After nine years of unprecedented spending and growth, the result is that the system put in place to keep the United States safe is so massive that its effectiveness is impossible to determine.
The investigation’s other findings include:
* Some 1,271 government organizations and 1,931 private companies work on programs related to counterterrorism, homeland security and intelligence in about 10,000 locations across the United States.
* An estimated 854,000 people, nearly 1.5 times as many people as live in Washington, D.C., hold top-secret security clearances.
* In Washington and the surrounding area, 33 building complexes for top-secret intelligence work are under construction or have been built since September 2001. Together they occupy the equivalent of almost three Pentagons or 22 U.S. Capitol buildings – about 17 million square feet of space.
* Many security and intelligence agencies do the same work, creating redundancy and waste. For example, 51 federal organizations and military commands, operating in 15 U.S. cities, track the flow of money to and from terrorist networks.
Created by the same hypocrites who cry about the growth of government when the opposition party is in the White House. Frighten Americans to the point of spending the nation into oblivion and then get the Too Much Government Spending On the Less Fortunate religion. I think I’ll puke.
Meathead
April 22nd, 2011
3:01 pm
A nation-wide network of researchers has sprung up to attempt to fill in the blanks, but at every opportunity Obama’s high-priced lawyers have built walls around various records or simply made them disappear. It is estimated that Obama’s legal team has now spent well over $1.4 million dollars blocking access to documents every American should have access to. The question is why would he spend so much money to do this?
The president who campaigned for a more “open government” and “full disclosure” will not unseal his medical records, his school records, his birth records or his passport records. He will not release his Harvard records, his Columbia College records, or his Occidental College records—he will not even release his Columbia College thesis. All his legislative records from the Illinois State Senate are missing and he claims his scheduling records during those State Senate years are lost as well. In addition, no one can find his school records for the elite K-12 college prep school, Punahou School, he attended in Hawaii.
What is he hiding? Well, for starters, some of these records will shed light on his citizenship and birth. Why can’t Mr. Soreto share this information? I think his father is Frank Marshal Davis. If his father his Mr. Obama, then Mr. President is not constitutionally qualified to be POTUS.
For example, Obama’s application to Punahou School – now mysteriously missing – would likely contain a birth certificate. His Occidental College records are important as they may show he attended there as a foreign exchange student.” Indeed, Obama used his Indonesian name “Barry Soetoro” while attending Occidental.
Furthermore, now that at least three document authentication experts have declared the scanned “Certificate of Live Birth” Obama’s campaign team gave to a pro-Obama website to be an obvious phony; we know that he is hiding something here as well.
Mole or Manchurian; you know, it may well be that he was born in Hawaii as he claims, and that his US citizenship was never revoked when he was adopted by his mother’s 2nd husband as he claims, and that he never lied on an application to school or the Illinois Bar as he claims, and that he never applied for grants to school as a foreigner as he claims… but it would be nice to be able to verify whether these claims were true.
For someone who got into office on claims that he’d operate the “most transparent administration ever,” he’s sure making the old KGB look as leak-proof as a submarine with screen doors. Such a professional operation, sealing and/or altering all of those records…how could little old Barry have done that himself, the same guy who can’t even break 37 bowling? He’s got all the coordination of a drunken rhino trying to tap dance, yet he altered documents that well himself? Nope, I don’t think so.
The importance for the American people to seize responsibility and proactively protect the sovereignty of their blood-ransomed, Constitutional freedom is paramount to American Exceptionalism and America. Sometimes, in order to accomplish this, we must vigorously deny access to those with plural, or ambiguous, allegiances. Otherwise, we should resign ourselves to the idea that our value as the last hope for humanity can never be defended or preserved.
Who’s your daddy, Mr. Soreto? If it is Mr. Obama, the senior, your are not constitutionally qualified, with all due respect as a guest lecture, non tenure- rack, non ad-junct constitutional law blowhard. I think we all deserve to know we are rooting for. I whish Brian Shatz would explain himself. That is another rant when I am home from work and opine on this blog. I hope we all don’t need a permit for 1st amendment as we do our 2nd in the near future, again, another rant for another day.
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HDB
April 22nd, 2011
3:01 pm
Fix-It
April 22nd, 2011
2:53 pm
EVERY CANDIDATE HAS BEEN VETTED…….
There….fixed your statement!!
The State of Hawai’i has verified his birth certificate; academic verification has occurred…so what’s the beef here?? As I’ve stated…a dual standard occurs here!!!
Note what I’ve stated: No candidate PRIOR to Obama has been CHALLENGED on his citizenship or credentials!!!
Joe Cool
April 22nd, 2011
3:01 pm
“Joe….we actually agree on your last post. Great job finally posting something of truth.”
GREAT!!! You will also agree that the Muslin, Kenyan, Indonesian, Marxist, Illegal Alien is smarter than the WHOLE GOP right? Im just saying, because you’d have to be in order for a lil Muslim, Kenyan, Indonesian, Marxist, Illegal Alien from Hawaii to be President right?
A simple si or no will work.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
3:02 pm
Stands for….you wouldnt buy a car without carfax….but you will elect a president because he is black and has virtually no record of his past or childhood.
SO LONG Barry you will not be missed.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
3:02 pm
Harry 2:56
“I think he is hiding something, but I don’t think his place of birth is what he is trying to hide.”
Thanks, I understand that clarification.
But I believe the question pose by one or two earlier (who have evidently dropped out) was whether or not you believe Pres Obama is an American citizen.
I think I understood you to say earlier you are not sure. Is that correct?
WestSiderATL
April 22nd, 2011
3:02 pm
Wow Jay…where’s all the blog posts on the “lunatic fringe” of the Democrat party…you know the one’s who believe 9/11 was some kind of conspiracy? “Truthers” aren’t they known as? Even some of Obama’s cabinet hold this ummm…belief.
I guess a mirror is something you have never thought much about looking into???
This issue will not come close to derailing anything…although I guess you think that too would be…cool?
If Obama can’t turn things around fast, nothing will save his presidency.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
3:02 pm
Joe….based on his GPA while in school. I would have to disagree with you there.
Joe
April 22nd, 2011
3:03 pm
Kamchak:
Man are you people loopy. That sign was a fake…. No one in their right mind would hold up a sign like that and you know it. It was proven fake. Why was it the only pic?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
3:03 pm
This is EXACTLY why the black race will never succeed in any country. They only vote based on race or what they feel it will get them rather than what makes the country better or stronger. Keep up the good work it is great entertainment for us all.
BRW
April 22nd, 2011
3:03 pm
Any time I hire someone from now on I’ll check their resume. If it says graduated in 1999 I’ll just skip it because I’ll know it’s a fraud. What an embarassment to the state U.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
3:04 pm
Joe…..they are all Liars and Kamchak is their leader.
I have not seen one truthful, intelligent or thought out post today from anyone on the left.
Great job!! 2012 is going to be EASY!
Trumper Thumper
April 22nd, 2011
3:04 pm
That Donald’s hair is not real. I want to see some roots. If he is unwilling to grab a handful on live TV and yank it out to prove that it is real then I’m not buying it. He’s Fired!
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
3:06 pm
BRW…I dont need to apply for jobs…I own three companies.
The fact that you wuould be looking at resumes is a joke. We know McDonalds does not take resumes!! hahah
Joe
April 22nd, 2011
3:06 pm
Joe Cool:
As miserable Obama has done is President why would I agree he’s even somewhat intelligent. His handlers like Axelrod and Emanuel certainly knew how to run a campaign but it’s been a terribly different story running the country…..
buck@gon
April 22nd, 2011
3:06 pm
BPMPD @ 1:51
This sounds like fun! How about:
Democrat-demanded entitlement spending: the monster that ate the US government.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
3:07 pm
Ok guys….enjoy your weekend.
Dems have fun staying broke and sucking on that government nipple. HAHAHA
We have them eating out of our hands!
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
3:08 pm
“The Republicans have nothing else to offer besides the birther quackery. Since they can’t come up with real solutions to the many problems facing the American public they spout stinky garbage. The most interesting thing is, so many Republican voters actually believe this stuff.”
On the contrary my dear Watson, Obama will not get re-elected to a second term because of his lack of ability and misguided socialist mentality.
The Republicans have plenty of solutions; Paul Ryan’s plan for starters.
Bruno
April 22nd, 2011
3:08 pm
AmVet–Catch you later tonight for FNM.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
3:08 pm
Harry
“I’m pretty sure the top 3% of wage earners don’t have mortgages,”
I’ve mentioned before I live in a pretty affluent area (altho I make the point that does not imply anything about my situation). Jay did a piece on Google maps and foreclosures. I check an enclave a couple miles from where I live. Those house prices equate to top 3%. Easy. Half a dozen foreclosures.
I’ve seen just as many cases of poor money management among that tier as among a middle income or lower income tier. In fact, I’ve seen a number of instances of lower relative debt amongst households with much, much, much lower incomes than the top 3%.
Joe
April 22nd, 2011
3:09 pm
With the atrocious levels of leadership Tucker and Bookman have I honestly believe they are the only ones from the left on here. As administrator they can log on under multiple names and post as much as they want. The left has ceased to have a real voice in this country finally. No one takes them seriously anymore…..
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
3:09 pm
This is EXACTLY why the black race will never succeed in any country. They only vote based on race or what they feel it will get them rather than what makes the country better or stronger.
Jay, how much longer is this thing going to be here?
Kamchak
April 22nd, 2011
3:10 pm
Man are you people loopy. That sign was a fake…
Because you say so?
No one in their right mind would hold up a sign like that and you know it.
Where did I assert that Dale Robertson was in his right mind?
It was proven fake.
By whom?
Clinton, Bush, Rove, CIA
April 22nd, 2011
3:10 pm
none of these people could prove that Obama was not eligible to be president. He beat them all during the elections, yet they have access to armies of investigators. GWB used to RUN THE CIA. Don’t you think he could’ve dug up something here if it existed? Bill Clinton was the freakin POTUS. Don’t you think he could’ve dug up something here if it existed?
there’s no way in heck that Obama beats the two most powerful families on earth in back to back elections if this birth certificate issue is legit. No way.
Joe Cool
April 22nd, 2011
3:10 pm
“(After all this talk about being followed and having my info traced by google, I’m afraid to type the word b_mb )”
TRUST Me, i understand…..either way, if they want to listen or find you they will.
TRUE Story:
Got a letter in the mail from the Dept of Justice. Was curious as to what it was about and come to find out it was from the F.B.! here in Atlanta. They sent me a letter to tell me they had tapped my cell phone 8 months prior due to whatever investigation they were working.
I thought to myself, “well isnt that nice of them to send me a letter”…LOL
Come to find out it was because I had contact with someone they had a big case against due to my business. I guess they realized that they was nothing worth listen to on my end and sent me a FYI, courtesy letter after they had indicted the person in question.
As i said before, if they want to find you, they will.
Johnny Wise N Meullers All Wheat Pasta
April 22nd, 2011
3:11 pm
Jane good. Jane no need long form. I still yell about it though because it get rid of flegm.
timbo
April 22nd, 2011
3:11 pm
What he supplied was a certificate of live birth, not a birth certificate. That wouldn’t even get him registered in a little league park. If that worthless POS wants to end the speculation, provide a real birth certificate and it ends right there. By not providing one means he was either not born in the US, or he wants to keep up this debate so folks will not discuss what a horrible job he has done as president. I ask you ObamaBots again…..name one positive thing he has done FOR the country, not AGAINST the country.
Joe Cool
April 22nd, 2011
3:13 pm
“How old are you?”
Old enough to make sure when i type my post dont get stuck in moderation.
steve
April 22nd, 2011
3:13 pm
Its the liberal press that keeps this story alive. No mainstream Republican politician or candidate for President believes the birther theory. Yet any time a Republican goes on MSNBC, CNN or the major three networks the first question they get asked is ” Do you believe Barack Obama was born in this country?” Listen folks, there are literally 10 million reasons to vote against Obama in 2012… this birther nonsense is just a distraction.
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
3:15 pm
USMC,
Wow. Sure enough that video was right- 7 absolute provable lies in that one video straight from Obama. Throw in his lie about closing gitmo, his lie about the Minnesota bridge collapsing because Repubs didn’t want to fund infrastructure repair, his lie that coal causes asthma, hell that’s 10 lies right there that are flat out proven. I’ll take it easy on him when he said Austrians speak Austrian. That wasn’t a lie. That was just stupid.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
3:18 pm
“I’m pretty sure the top 3% of wage earners don’t have mortgages,”
>$150K/yr household income puts you in the 3% category.
if you think they don’t have mortgages, you’re more barmy than I would’ve imagined.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
3:18 pm
sfd
Just long enough to protest someone accused them of racism?
And then complaining because all the fainting couches were taken?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
3:19 pm
CLAIM: Obama Blamed The “Budget Holdout For The Collapse Of The Minneapolis Bridge.” During the April 20 broadcast of Fox News’ Fox & Friends, co-host Gretchen Carlson stated: “Should we cut a deal with the Dems, or another bridge could collapse. That was the president’s message yesterday, blaming budget holdout for the collapse of the Minneapolis bridge in 2007.” [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 4/20/11]
FACT: Obama Cited Bridge Collapse To Illustrate U.S. Infrastructure Issues. From the president’s April 19 speech in Annandale, VA:
OBAMA: According to the Republican budget that was passed, for example, we would have to eliminate transportation funding by a third. We’d have to cut transporting funding by a third. You remember when that bridge in Minnesota collapsed with all those people on it? And there was a big hue and cry: How can this happen in America? Well, the National Society of Engineers, they’ve looked around and they give us a D when it comes to infrastructure. Our roads, our bridges, our sewer systems are all deteriorating.
We don’t even have a serious high-speed rail infrastructure in this country. Our broadband lines are slower than places like South Korea. Well, so what, we cut transportation by another third, and what’s going to happen to America? We’re just going to have potholes everywhere? (Laughter.) We’re just going to have bridges collapsing everywhere? Are we going to continue to have airports that are substandard? Are we going to go to other countries and suddenly realize that China and South Korea and all of Europe all have better infrastructure than we do, and we think that businesses are going to come here and invest? Or do we think that at some point companies say, you know what, America has got a second-rate infrastructure and it costs us too much money because our trucks going over those potholes are getting messed up?
So that’s the choice that we’re going to have to make. [WhiteHouse.gov, 4/19/11]
_________________________
Doom and USMC…your buffoonery is easily disproven.
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
3:19 pm
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
3:03 pm
This is EXACTLY why the black race will never succeed in any country.
UGA 1999,
Be careful what you say! You may end up getting ganged up on at a McDonalds or a MARTA and get beaten to the point of seizures while the employees or other people stand around and just watch or videotape it. Be careful out there.
Meathead
April 22nd, 2011
3:19 pm
Theory:
1. Left knows Barry is done for and want him out of the way in 2012;
2. Hillary ‘retires’ next year — setting up her run in 2012.
3. Trump has given 90% of the time to Dems.
4. Trump has high profile.
5. Trump, with instructions for the Clinton gang, bring up this issue.
6. Trump has no intention of running but they need Barry out of the way so he’s playing along; they’ll owe him later.
Barry will make more than 1.7 million in 2013 and pay less than the 450kin taxes becuase he is now “super rich” . The spread the wealth, Barry!
Johnny Wise N Meullers All Wheat Pasta
April 22nd, 2011
3:19 pm
Coal cause Thulsa Doom to recall childhood and his stocking stuffers. Thulsa Doom sad. Thulsa Doom need a Jane then he have something good to yell about.
vnv
April 22nd, 2011
3:20 pm
Comm on you all; it aint about the BC it about the COLOR!!!
timbo
April 22nd, 2011
3:20 pm
Chris Matthews from MSNBC (the liberal who had chills running up his leg the night Obama was elected) was the person the resurrected this story. Libs know that Obama will not win in 2012, so they must create controversy. They are desperate right now and will do whatever they can to keep this monkey in the office.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
3:20 pm
oh, sorry, here’s where I pulled that upper 3% income cutoff @ 3.18, meant to include it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States
Clinton, Bush, Rove, CIA
April 22nd, 2011
3:20 pm
“name one positive thing he has done FOR the country, not AGAINST the country.”
Our other choice was John McCain. What do you think John McCain would’ve done differently with Iraq, Afghanistan, TARP (Bush initiated this in Oct), the stimulus, healthcare and amnesty for illegals? In my opinion, it wouldn’t have been much different.
The last GOP administration we had started two unfunded “off the books” wars, and passed a Trillion dollar free-prescription program to buy votes from senior citizens.
Medicare, Medicaid, and the military budgets are 65% of govt spending. Until EITHER party gets these monsters under control – it doesn’t really matter who the president is, if you ask me.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
3:20 pm
sfd
That enclave to which I was referring had household incomes waaaaaaaaay above that.
And still the foreclosures.
Me, I’d've gone for a much less expensive home and paid it off. Live beneath your means.
Gm
April 22nd, 2011
3:22 pm
USMC
You are the reason Obama is begging America to support education, another racist video, more then half the tea party idiots dont want medicaid cut, but you hypocrites are standing against goverment.
More then half of whites are on meidcaid and medicare, so when your rich conservatives friends put your grandma and grand pa on the street please dont come cyring for help.
Joe
April 22nd, 2011
3:22 pm
Kamchak:
Google it…. Just like a lazy libturd….
AmVet
April 22nd, 2011
3:23 pm
This is EXACTLY why the black race will never succeed in any country.
Generally, it is just a matter off time before the true bigots reveals themselves…
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
3:24 pm
According to the Republican budget that was passed, for example, we would have to eliminate “transportation funding by a third. We’d have to cut transporting funding by a third. You remember when that bridge in Minnesota collapsed with all those people on it? And there was a big hue and cry: How can this happen in America? Well, the National Society of Engineers, they’ve looked around and they give us a D when it comes to infrastructure. Our roads, our bridges, our sewer systems are all deteriorating.”- keep up the good fight
Keep up,
Are you going to sit there with a straight face and say that Obama wasn’t implying that the Minnesota bridge collapsed due to lack of infrastructure and repair? What rational thinking person would not conclude from reading that paragraph that Obama was implying that the bridge was in disrepair, neglected,etc.? It was a design flaw and that is absolutely not the context of what this paragraph implies. Come on keep up. You’re smarter than that keep up.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
3:24 pm
“I think I understood you to say earlier you are not sure. Is that correct?’
Sorry for the dealy. I made the mistake of watching the McDonald’s beating video, and it made me physically ill. I cannot believe that any so-called human beings walking this earth would treat another like that. As a parent, all I can say is, if that victim were my child, I would not rest until all of the attackers were tracked down and eliminated. Seriously.
Back to your question…I imagine Obama is probably a citizen, but I don’t know for sure. My guess is that he presented himself as a citizen when it suited him, and as a non-citizen when it suited him. Hence the secrecy.
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
3:25 pm
mccain goes to Libya and they chant “thank you America.”
Score hearts and minds in the Arab world for President Obama.
He deserved the peace prize.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
3:25 pm
“>$150K/yr household income puts you in the 3% category.”
“if you think they don’t have mortgages, you’re more barmy than I would’ve imagined.”
I make about $150K, and I paid my house off 10 years ago.
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
3:25 pm
AmVet
April 22nd, 2011
3:23 pm
This is EXACTLY why the black race will never succeed in any country.
Generally, it is just a matter off time before the true bigots reveals themselves…
I guess Amvet must have watched the McDonald’s video and hence his comment about the true bigots revealing themselves.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
3:25 pm
Harry
Thanks for the clarification.
Now I must get back to work with no interruptions.
Go Donald Go
April 22nd, 2011
3:27 pm
I’m glad to see my minions cling to the birther fantasy….good work loonies keep charging just don’t check out this video with george and michele bachman, because you know, and I know, you can’t handle the truth….forward to victory
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/20/stephanopoulos-bachmann-obama-birth-certificate_n_851529.html
HDB
April 22nd, 2011
3:27 pm
Joe
April 22nd, 2011
3:00 pm
John McCain’s citizenship was NEVER challenged because he is the son AND grandson of Naval Academy graduates…and at that time, Panama was a protectorate of the United States!! As the military offpring of flag-ranking officers, his citizenship was never challenged!!
boots
April 22nd, 2011
2:59 pm
There WAS a racial component in Michael Steele’s non-re-election; if you watched it as I did on C-SPAN, that was evident……some of the prejoratives spoke volumes…..
The question isn’t that one of Obama’s parents was foreign; neither is there an issue of his growing up outside of the US….the issue is solely: WHERE WAS OBAMA BORN?? As long as Hawai’i is the 50th state at the time of his birth and no renouncing of his citizenship has occurred, Obama is an American CITIZEN!! Case closed!!
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:57 pm
Note what you said: “THERE WAS NEVER A NEED TO.” If not before, then why now?? Why change the standards now???
Please name me one President/Presidential candidate PRIOR to President Obama that was a minority and has made it this far in the process……Alan Keyes, Jesse Jackson, Shirley Chisholm. Note: NONE of those candidates made it to the Presidential ELECTORAL point! Obama has gone further than each of his predecessors……so as is evident, there has been NO minority to have made it to the point that Obama has attained!!
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:57 pm
Doggone/GA
April 22nd, 2011
3:27 pm
It’s been MOST amusing reading this. All this hoo ha over where Obama was born…when WHERE he was born is of absolutely no interest whatsoever. None. He’s an American citizen because his Mother was an American citizen. He could have been born on MARS for all it would matter. He is an American citizen by birthright.
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
3:28 pm
So this might be used to keep Obama off state ballots? That’s fantastic!!!
Ignore it now, Barry.
LOL!!!
Left wing management
April 22nd, 2011
3:28 pm
Fix-it: “Why not shut up both sides and just show the document, then how about school transcripts, why did he seal them?”
What “both” sides, there’s only ONE side. And that side will be undeterred – and possibly inflamed – by ANY action by Obama whatsoever.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
3:29 pm
Doom…I am smarter than you but then again a rock is too. First your statement was “his lie about the Minnesota bridge collapsing because Repubs didn’t want to fund infrastructure repair”. So now you are calling Obama a liar because Are you going to sit there with a straight face and say that Obama wasn’t implying that the Minnesota bridge collapsed due to lack of infrastructure and repair? So he lied or he implied something in your mind’s distortion.
Its clear. Your buffoonery is the lie. I wont even imply it. Its for all to see.
David
April 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm
What an incredably mornic artile. I keep wondering how Jay Bookman keeps a job. I don’t even know where to begin with this one. The Birthers are such a small part of the overall population it is not even funny. If the President is holding out simply for political gain shame on him. The President proves once again that he knows nothing about leadership. The fact is if he turned over a birth certificate while there would still be fringe belivers it would be over and done with, if he is choosing to keep it going he is hurting the office for his own gain and that is not leadership. Heck the first time I even hear the Natural Born Citizen argument the left was asking about it regarding John McCain who was born on a Military Base not in the United States. The fact is this is a dead issue that the Media likes to keep bringing up. Fine keep bringing it up I really don’t care.
Curious Observer
April 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm
Please, all you morons who use USMC in your handle: Get another handle. You’re giving active duty and retired Marines everywhere an undeserved reputation for stupidity and valueless lives. The rest of us who served the USMC with honor and some intelligence will thank you.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm
“He’s an American citizen because his Mother was an American citizen. He could have been born on MARS for all it would matter. He is an American citizen by birthright.”
Not necessarily true. I think you better go back and read the amendment.
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm
Gm
April 22nd, 2011
3:22 pm
USMC
You are the reason Obama is begging America to support education, another racist video, more then half the tea party idiots dont want medicaid cut, but you hypocrites are standing against goverment.
More then half of whites are on meidcaid and medicare, so when your rich conservatives friends put your grandma and grand pa on the street please dont come cyring for help.- Gm
Gm,
You are too comical. What video did USMC show that was “racist” and why was it “racist”?
More than half of all whites are on medicare or medicaid? Really? I’ll send you a $1,000 if you can provide a govt source that says that half of all whites are on medicare or on medicaid. I got a $1,000 waiting for you. All ya gotta do is prove it.
Joe Cool
April 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm
“This is EXACTLY why the black race will never succeed in any country. They only vote based on race or what they feel it will get them rather than what makes the country better or stronger.”
Dude, i feel sorry for you. A statement like that shows your bigotry. You’re probably the type of person who see’s someone of the Black race who’s doing well off better than yourself, and it eats at your soul…lol. Dude, get out the 60’s..it’s 2011!
Bose55
April 22nd, 2011
3:31 pm
Doggone
That’s actually incorrect. Look up citizenship requirements. One citizen plus one noncitizen, the citizen has to have lived at least 5 years within the United States after their 14th birthday. So by the birthers’ logic, she would have been giving birth in Kenya having not met that requirement.
Don’t get me wrong, this whole thing is a nonissue. He was born here, the proof is crystal clear. But your point there is off base.
Doggone/GA
April 22nd, 2011
3:32 pm
“John McCain’s citizenship was NEVER challenged because he is the son AND grandson of Naval Academy graduates…and at that time, Panama was a protectorate of the United States!! As the military offpring of flag-ranking officers, his citizenship was never challenged!!”
Then why did the Congress feel it was necessary to weigh in on the subject?
“The Senate is expected to this week weigh in that Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, is in fact a natural-born American citizen, thus eligible to be president under the Constitution”
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/senate-deals-with-mccains-citizenship/
AmVet
April 22nd, 2011
3:34 pm
That video has zero to do with UGA’s bigotry.
Nor does it explain Doom’s supporting the bigot’s claim.
Meathead
April 22nd, 2011
3:34 pm
In August, 2008, just two months before the election, the Democrat Party of Hawaii’s (DPH) chairman, Brian Schatz, had already refused to include legally required, explicit language in its sworn Official Certification of Nomination (OCON) that Barack Obama was qualified to serve as President under the provisions of the U.S. Constitution. Former DPH Chair, Brian Schatz, now serves as Hawaii’s Lt. Governor under Gov. Neil Abercrombie (2010). As DPH Chair, Schatz authored the state’s Democrat Party OCON for Obama without including legally required language stating that Obama was constitutionally eligible to serve as president. Schatz won the Lt. Gov. seat by a wide margin after two years of remaining silent about his OCON controversy. Ultimately, the DPH’s rejection of Obama was due to a refusal by Obama to make available the original documented evidence confirming his eligibility. However, this justifiable lack of certification by the DPH was followed by a covert attempt by the Democratic National Committee, chaired by Nancy Pelosi, to artificially proclaim Obama eligible in Hawaii by submitting two separate, sworn Official Certifications of Nomination (OCON) for Obama, each containing different legal language. Both versions of the OCON were sent to the Hawaiian Office of Elections while only one version was submitted to other states’ Election authorities. The DNC’s fraudulent OCON was an obvious, desperate attempt to control damage and prevent Obama from being disqualified from the Hawaiian ballot and prevent public awareness of the DPH’s refusal to certify Obama’s eligibility. The Official Certification of Nomination is a legally required document submitted by each party’s state and national authority to every state elections committee authority prior to each election. It affords the Chief Elections Officer in each state with the documented legal assurance that the candidates seeking inclusion on their state’s ballot are indeed certified as constitutionally eligible to serve the office they seek.
Unfortunately, the violation committed by the DNC’s falsified certification is that there was no evidence to support claims of Obama’s eligibility. The DNC simply fabricated reasons over the authority of the state party authority in order to force Obama’s candidacy onto the Hawaiian presidential ballot. Of course, Democrats claim there was no impropriety on the part of Pelosi and the DNC. However, they have failed to explain why the state party authority refused to certify Obama, due to his lack of legal qualifications, while the national party authority simply certified Obama, ignoring that same lack of legal qualifications. The lack of accountability makes the Democrat Party appear pathetically disreputable. The DNC is not served by the multiple state party authorities, it is there to serve the state party authorities. Federal constitutional law prescribes the mandates for Presidential eligibility, but state authorities have the responsibility for validating candidate authenticity for their own ballot.
QUESTIONS THE MEDIA FAILED TO ASK
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After the DNC submitted a customized OCON, allegedly on August 28th, why did Schatz refuse to inquire to the DNC or request from the DNC the evidence used by the DNC to determine Obama’s eligibility in Hawaii?
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Why did the DPH not have access to this information directly from the State of Hawaii, like the DNC did?
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Are we supposed to believe that the DNC, in Denver, almost 4000 miles away, had acquired documented proof from the state of Hawaii to legally approve Obama’s eligibility, yet the state party authority, whose headquarters is within walking distance from the State of Hawaii records and elections offices, was somehow not able to obtain this evidence before the DNC?
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Moreover, after the DNC submitted their OCON, allegedly with seven full days remaining in the filing deadline, why was the DPH not able to simply revise their OCON to include the legal language after reviewing the evidence used by the DNC to certify Obama’s eligibility?
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The lies and abetment of Obama’s illegitimacy in Hawaii are so glaring, it is breath-taking.
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Perhaps the most important question, however, is: Was Schatz politically rewarded for cooperating with the DNC’s fraudulent certification in 2008?
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm
keep up the good fight,
Sorry dude but it is what it is. If any rational or reasonable person read that paragraph they would have the impression from the context of it that the bridge collapsed due to a lack of repair or deterioration. You know it and I know it. To deny that that is the context of his statement is like denying that its daylight outside. You look like a fool. Go back to your corner now.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm
What an incredably mornic artile
I guess it’s five o’clock somewhere…
FSUBraves
April 22nd, 2011
3:36 pm
All that Jay and you still cannot prove obama is a Natural Born Cit….The Burden of proof is on him, not the GOP. Just wait until Jerome Corsi’s book comes out. The proverbial crap will really hit the fan then. Get your excuses lined up.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 22nd, 2011
3:38 pm
Dave: And to all the “birthers’ out there:
Doesn’t matter if he has shown the original birth certificate or not. He came out of the womb of an American citizen, which makes him an American citizen.
Case closed. No futher proof is needed.
Got it?
Move on.
Back from page one…. You da man!!!!!!! You should put that on a bumper sticker or t-shirt. I couldn’t read beyond page one, as what I comprehended from the back and forth was, “I’m not a birther, but I play one on the internet.” Cursory knowledge of the Immigration Laws quickly disproves any non-citizen claim that people can make. Purile nonsense, but great for comic relief when one is having a bad day…
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
3:38 pm
AmVet,
Go take a pepto-bismol. If you have an ounce of humanity you’re probably just as sick in the stomach as myself, harry callahan, or anyone else who watched that McDonald’s video. What I want to know is when are Jesse and Al going to have a dialogue about what’s going to be done about attacks like the McDonald’s and Marta attack yesterday. What are you and them going to do to reduce your level of bigotry and hate filled violence?
TaxPayer
April 22nd, 2011
3:38 pm
The comments from the cons here may give the Donald enough encouragement to run. Good show of support for yet another Birther in the primaries.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
3:41 pm
I make about $150K, and I paid my house off 10 years ago.
lessee…statistical margin of error when your sample size is 1 would be…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
3:41 pm
the impression from the context of it that the bridge collapsed due to a lack of repair or deterioration.
Buffoonery Doom. Reading the President’s speech they should KNOW that the MN bridge collasped because of lack of repair and deterioration. You are the one who looks foolish.
And as the President says: Our roads, our bridges, our sewer systems are all deteriorating. We don’t even have a serious high-speed rail infrastructure in this country. Our broadband lines are slower than places like South Korea. Well, so what, we cut transportation by another third, and what’s going to happen to America? We’re just going to have potholes everywhere? (Laughter.)
The world is laughing at you Doom.
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
3:41 pm
TaxPayer
Whatever it takes to get that clown out of the White House. i don’t care if he was born on Mars, he is the worst thing that has ever happened to my country.
Joe Cool
April 22nd, 2011
3:41 pm
“The Burden of proof is on him, not the GOP.”
????
UMmmm did I miss something when the state of Hawaii VERIFIED his BC? Ohh yeah, their in on it to with Soros right? LOL.
OHH, doesnt he have a Passport that’s verified by the U.S. State Dept? Ohhh, i guess he got around that without a BC..lol. I guess he doesnt have a drivers either?
Sad when you Repubs live in conspiracy and not LOGIC! You guys probably still see Elvis at the local bar!
TaxPayer
April 22nd, 2011
3:42 pm
What an incredably mornic artile
I guess it’s five o’clock somewhere…
Or shortly after. After all, it does take time to order and down a few.
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
3:42 pm
Jay
April 22nd, 2011
11:53 am
Yeah, the Dems made the Arizona Republicans pass that law and the Dems made 45 percent of Republicans say they thought Obama wasn’t born here and the Dems made Donald Trump into a GOP folk hero.
The Dems did it all. If only Dems were that smart.
Jay, the World is ending, for once I agree with you, if only the Dems were that smart, I’m glad that you finally admitted what we knew all along. THANK YOU.
Doggone/GA
April 22nd, 2011
3:43 pm
“Look up citizenship requirements”
I’ve just been looking in the Constitution and I don’t see anything about living in the US for 5 years after the age of 14. Where does that occur? All the Consititution says about citizenship as refers to the President it this:
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
And Harry, there are NO amendments that address citizenship and the office of the President.
AmVet
April 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm
Doom, I could not care less that you have stereotypical issues with black people.
Your bigotry is of zero concern to me.
I just hope for their sake, that you don’t have any children to further your poisoned, racist views.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm
A memorandum to Congress dated April 3, 2009, written by the Congressional Research Service, states–
Considering the history of the constitutional qualifications provision, the common use and meaning of the phrase “natural-born subject” in England and in the Colonies in the 1700s, the clause’s apparent intent, the subsequent action of the first Congress in enacting the naturalization act of 1790 (expressly defining the term “natural born citizen” to include a person born abroad to parents who are United States citizens), as well as subsequent Supreme Court dicta, it appears that the most logical inferences would indicate that the phrase “natural born Citizen” would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “at birth” or “by birth”.
In a 2008 article published by the Michigan Law Review Lawrence Solum, Professor of Law at the University of Illinois, stated that “[t]here is general agreement on the core of [the] meaning [of the Presidential Eligibility Clause]. Anyone born on American soil whose parents are citizens of the United States is a ‘natural born citizen’”. In April 2010 Solum republished the same article as an online draft, in which he changed his opinion on the meaning of natural born citizen to include persons born in the United States of one American citizen parent. In a footnote he explained that “[b]ased on my reading of the historical sources, there is no credible case that a person born on American soil with one American parent was clearly not a ‘natural born citizen.’” He further extended natural born citizenship to all cases of jus soli as the “conventional view”.
TaxPayer
April 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm
Whatever it takes to get that clown out of the White House. i don’t care if he was born on Mars, he is the worst thing that has ever happened to my country.
Cool. That guy that owns Virgin airlines owns his own country too. What’s it like. Do you have naked women come over and surf with you too. I think that would be a cool thing to do.
GOP Monster
April 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm
Sorry to report we have not found the birth certificate. Yet.
As they so, how can you find something that does not exist! Did the “first coming” have a birth certificate? I think not!
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm
In the real world, Syria is firing upon protestors .
Libyans are chanting thank you America.
President Obama can add freedom for the ME to his long list of accomplishments.
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
3:45 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
Another crisis d’jour. The sky is falling. Children are dying and democrats aren’t even killing them!! Old people will live in ditches. Please oh please Mr. Democrat. Save us!!! Please save us!!!
Considering the latest polls, I’m pretty sure that most of America has figured this out. Maybe not liberals, but then again . . .
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm
meathead,
You go through a long post to cast doubt on the process of releasing the Hawaiian information from the State. That is all MEANINGLESS unless there is SOME EVIDENCE that Obama was not born in Hawaii. Do you have ANY EVIDENCE that Obama was not born in Hawaii?
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm
RAxPayer
“What’s it like. ”
What’s it like? You think I am the guy that owns Virgin Airlines?
Joe Cool
April 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm
“I just hope for their sake, that you don’t have any children to further your poisoned, racist views.”
No AMVET,
Let hope she does have some and brings a Brown, Black, Hispanic man home to meet Momma.
@@
April 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm
Let’s see, jay…it was Phillip J. Berg (D) who first questioned Obama’s citizenship status in 2008. Went so far as to file a suit declaring him ineligible to hold office. Orly’s “activism” didn’t take place until 2009.
The same Phillip Berg, in 2001, demanded the disbarment of several Supreme Court Justices claiming that they stole the election from Al Gore. There was his suit on behalf of a WTC worker…in that one he leveled accusations that 9/11 was perpetrated by the Bush Administration. Then there was the challenge he filed against George W. Bush for launching an unjust and illegal war without Congress’s approval.
How many on your team still make those claims today?
By the by…left-wingers have resurrected the claims that Trig Palin is not, I repeat NOT Sarah Palin’s son, but is, instead, Bristol Palin’s son.
timbo
April 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm
Can you imagine the offspring that Jay Bookman and Cynthia Tucker would produce?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm
little,, yes considering the polls…None of the Above is the Republican choice.
How funny.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
April 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm
AP But he is the “Unknown President” ………. the least known in our history.
B) But since Jay keeps bringing it up (he once said he would never bring it up again) let me set something straight again because, well ……… people do lie. A lot of folks say Obama has shown his birth certificate. He has not. He “has” shown his “Certification of Birth”. Regardless of the issue of where he was born (which was Hawaii), let’s get the facts straight.
1) “Certification of Live Birth” released by the Obama staff: http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
2) “Certificate of Birth” issed by Donald Trump very similar to Hawaii’s document issued at that time.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/page?id=13248168
Jay: Would you like to debate further that Obama has released his “Certificate of Birth” ?
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm
getalife
“In the real world, Syria is firing upon protestors”
Let mobs charge the White House and let’s see how Obama would react.
TaxPayer
April 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm
You think I am the guy that owns Virgin Airlines?
Is that what you took from my post. Whatever.
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm
I don’t see what the flap is all about, Trump, who was a Dem for years and now a RINO doesn’t believe where Obama is born as do a few others. Jay, want’s everyone to believe that all Repubs believe that and the sad part about his blog is that all the Lib Lap Monkeys will dance to his tune, how sad!
We have thousands of laws on the books because someone is always trying to beat the system, so what is so horrible in one asking anybody to prove that they are a citizen of the USA, and I’m talking about future candidates.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm
Just wait until Jerome Corsi’s book comes out.
ooh. Does it feature “boy-bumping?”
Meathead
April 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm
Doggone/GA
Natural-born citizen
Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
· Anyone born inside the United States *
· Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
· Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
· Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
· Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
· Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
· Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
· A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Reference:
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
Bose55
April 22nd, 2011
3:51 pm
Doggone
Sorry should have clarified. Its not the Constitution I was referring to.
“A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child’s birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be genetically related to the child to transmit U.S. citizenship. ”
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_5199.html
deegee
April 22nd, 2011
3:51 pm
I want a law that says that anyone that challenges the President on his birth certificate must first produce their own long form birth certificate. The certificate of live birth that everyone normally receives is not acceptable in order to challenge.
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
3:51 pm
timbo
April 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm
Can you imagine the offspring that Jay Bookman and Cynthia Tucker would produce?
Timbo, no, they believe in abortion and would leagaly kill it.
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
3:51 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
That’s true, we don’t have a viable candidate yet. Of course the clown that is supposed to be leading our country has been campaigning for two years and has already started raising money for his attempt in 2012.
The guy is one heck of a politician. World class. Puts his getting reelected above any of his responsibilities. I sort of think that we could use an actual leader instead of a world class liar, but hey, what do I know?
HDB
April 22nd, 2011
3:52 pm
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm
From the last figures I was able to find (2003), 34,700,200 white people were on Medicare out of 41,126,380 in the population…which is 84.37%……I’m not saying that half of ALL white people are on Medicare…but of those who ARE, the preponderance are white…….
http://www.nasi.org/sites/default/files/research/McBean.pdf
timbo
April 22nd, 2011
3:53 pm
If you folks want to see the future of this country, go take a peek at the girl getting beat up at McDonalds. Next time my wife asks why I am carrying some heat when we go out (especially to the jungle that is ATL), I will show her that video. I wonder if that racist Eric Holder will consider this a hate crime? Thanks Obama for bringing your damn thugs to DC, and good job MSM for covering this.
Meathead
April 22nd, 2011
3:53 pm
Mr Logical Dude,
No sir, thus the request for the rant. How did HI validate Barry? Why was the paper work void? I think I mentioned earleir I think his biological father is Frank Marshall Davis, Commie and Womanizer. I think if that got before 2008 a) some peopel wouldn’t vote for the spawn of CUSA and it will not jive with the naraticve, farce, Dreams of My Father,ghost pen by W. Ayers. I think we are owed closure.
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
3:54 pm
timbo
“Can you imagine the offspring that Jay Bookman and Cynthia Tucker would produce?”
I always learned that the preacher’s kids were the meanest kids in church so considering that, they would probably be the head of the GOP.
Dusty
April 22nd, 2011
3:54 pm
Whew…another loser blog.
Where is WOW? Still gone? He made things interesting!
Where’s JOSEF? Declined to participate in this silly subject?
Where’s @@? She’s interesting.
Where’s RW? Overcome by the dribble here.
Where’s Bookman? Digging up some out-dated music to go with this outlandish charade of rehashed propaganda …
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
3:55 pm
Just wait until Jerome Corsi’s book comes out.
If it ACTUALLY has some PHYSICAL EVIDENCE about where Obama was born, then I may pay attention to it. If it’s only about “suspicions” and “mystery” about the document the State of Hawaii provided to Obama, then I am not interested.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
3:55 pm
Zero….and the line at the bottom “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding. {HRS 338-13(b), 338-19}” is all that matters. It meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship.
The tribe has spoken!
buzzn
April 22nd, 2011
3:55 pm
I like the birfer question. It provides an absolute litmus test that the birfers are idiots. Kind of like a big scarlet letter “I” on their chest. The Georgia house bill also showed which GOP legislators are gutless (the ones who removed their names from the bill) and which are opportunists (Hatfield and his ilk). Go birfers!
Gm
April 22nd, 2011
3:56 pm
Thulsa Doom
Where is my Money? the states are Ws, Ks, Iowa, Nebraska, Mt, In, Wy, Mn etc, go look it up, this is why iditots middle low class conservtives votes against their interest every time and the rich conservatives laugh at you dumb, dumb.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 22nd, 2011
3:56 pm
Doggone
Bose55 Was referring to Naturalization charts used to determine citizenship of children born abroad. Here’s the charts..
Natz #1: Born in wedlock abroad
http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/AFM/HTML/AFM/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-26573/0-0-0-33237.html
Natz #2: Born out of wedlock abroad
http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/AFM/HTML/AFM/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-26573/0-0-0-33254.html
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
3:57 pm
GLL: but hey, what do I know?
There are many who ask that same question about you on this blog daily
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
3:58 pm
Meathead says ” I think his biological father is Frank Marshall Davis, Commie and Womanizer. I think if that …”
Unfortunatetely, what you think only carries weight with you. I need physical evidence to convince me.
@@
April 22nd, 2011
3:58 pm
When I first listened to Barack Obama, I thought…He’s a promising fella.
Turns out I was right. Promises made and promises broken.
schnirt
On a brighter note, I do believe he was born in the U.S.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
3:58 pm
I think we are owed closure.
within some mental institution, perhaps.
People who live in glass houses should not throw stones
April 22nd, 2011
3:59 pm
The GOP is nothing but a bunch of IGNORANT RACISTS. “They brought this on themselves.”
Kamchak
April 22nd, 2011
4:01 pm
Joe
April 22nd, 2011
3:22 pm
Kamchak:
Google it….
I did, sport.
Those that originally claimed it was faked have had to walk it back because they proved that Robertson lied about it being faked.
Just like the birthers, you ask for evidence.
And just like the birthers you question whatever evidence that doesn’t fit your view.
Typical silly con.
People who live in glass houses should not throw stones
April 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm
The people who respect and believe in President Obama – WE DON’T GIVE A RATS A** WHAT PEOPLE SAY ABOUT OUR PRESIDENT. We are going to vote for him AGAINNNNNN!!!
GOP get over it!!!
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm
People who live says “The GOP is nothing but a bunch of IGNORANT RACISTS. “They brought this on themselves.”
Now don’t go lumping ALL the GOP into the same boat. Alas, many of the GOP DID bring this on themselves when they didn’t nip it in the bud early on.
ragnar danneskjold
April 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm
“Stimulus” – the monster that ate the democrat party.
“ObamaCare” – the monster that ate the democrat party.
Meathead
April 22nd, 2011
4:04 pm
Mr Logical Dude,
Well, is Obama Sr is dad? If so, he can not be POTUS. How can Barry be validated by the state of HI if he is not constiutionally qualified? I don’t think it’s damming if his pop is FMD. good for him, I would like to think our POTUS is not a usurper of American law and a criminal. But clarity in establishing paternity and place of birth would be a good start on identy. I think.
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
4:05 pm
“You are the reason Obama is begging America to support education, another racist video”
GM, I think you confused me with someone else. I didn’t say anything “racist”.
Thanks
Tommy Maddox
April 22nd, 2011
4:05 pm
Gas tank – the monster that ate the democrat party;
Real unemployment – the monster that ate the democrat party.
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
4:06 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
“There are many who ask that same question about you on this blog daily”
And I try to give them an answer every time. They seldom like the answer, They often launch into hysterics and name calling, but they almost never refute what I am saying. Of course the hysterics and name calling tells me that the truth has hit a nerve.
But to the point, I think the birther question is fantastic. It’s so much fun watching the same people that thought Bush went AWOL during his stint in the Air Guard think that people who would dare question the almighty clown are complete morons.
As I said, anything that will work to get that incompetent clown out of the White House.
Go Donald Go
April 22nd, 2011
4:07 pm
Who is this dusty person? Is she like the rex reed of this internet topic? Come work for me darling so I can utter my famous copyrighted phrase: You’re Fired!!!! Now go get a whopper, instead of telling them
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
4:09 pm
WHAT PEOPLE SAY ABOUT OUR PRESIDENT. We are going to vote for him AGAINNNNNN!!!
Democrats blindly stumbling along, supporting their horrible clown, no matter how badly he has done and continues to do?
Say it ain’t so.
Dusty
April 22nd, 2011
4:09 pm
Well, Ragnar,
Good to see you here. The voice of reason has faded slowly into the sunset. Long gone it is! We needed to hear from you. A voice crying in the wilderness or something like that!!
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
4:11 pm
Meathead: But clarity in establishing paternity and place of birth would be a good start on identy.
It shows on the document that Hawaii has provided. Barack Obama Senior is the father, and he was born in Hawaii.
Do you have any PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that shows that there is any other information that contradicts what is stated by the STATE OF HAWAII?
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
April 22nd, 2011
4:12 pm
I predict when all is said and done …… maybe years from now ………. the Obama presidency (not what he did in office but the fact that he was president) will turn out to be the biggest political scandal this country has ever known.
Arguements will be made as to whether his portrait should continue to hang in the White House as a legitimate, legal, Constitutional president.
You heard it here first folks !!!!
Meathead
April 22nd, 2011
4:12 pm
Mr Logical Dude,
To use a excert of a recetn post of your dudness, “If it’s only about “suspicions” and “mystery” about the document the State of Hawaii provided to Obama, then I am not interested.”
How abou the document the HI DNC supplied to Pelosi and the NDNC? What is the logic through that paradigm?
LOL
April 22nd, 2011
4:13 pm
Bookman, how you keep a job is beyond me. Yes there are Republicans who don’t believe that Obama is a US citizen. However that does not make it WRONG to require a Birth Certificate to get on a ballot. Jan Brewer vetoed the Arizona law because it overeached with the types of alternative ID and just who and how the alternatives would be approved. How any American citizen can be upset or laugh about requiring a Birth Certificate to get elected president is just nuts. You have to have a Birth Certificate to play youth sports, you used to have to have one to get a Driver’s License, or a Social Security card. Jay asking for the proof that you were a Natural Born Citizen of the United States so that you can run for President of the United States; is just a LITTLE more important than YOUTH SPORTS or DRIVER”S LICENSES you jerk.
Obama may not have started this craziness about his birth place, but neither has he put it to rest, and this White House is supposed to be the most TRANSPARENT in history; yeah right about as transparent as a Black-out curtain.
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
4:14 pm
Logical Dude
But his birth certificate would clear everything up. Why do you think that he hasn’t produced it?
Go Donald Go
April 22nd, 2011
4:15 pm
**You heard it here first folks !!!!**
and probably the last
timbo
April 22nd, 2011
4:15 pm
The only block left that Obama has is the black vote, and it is eroding as well. The uninformed will continue to vote based on the color of his skin. That folks is the real truth. So, I guess that makes me a racist huh?
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
4:16 pm
Rest easy folks, these (loony Liberals) are the same people who cry racism over requiring a picture identification to cast a vote.
Nothing new here.
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
4:18 pm
Meathead:
Those don’t matter since it’s the document that Hawaii provided to Obama that matters.
Since you keep deflecting the question on PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. I must assume that there is NO physical evidence that shows Obama was born anywhere else.
You keep asking questions, but I’m not the one making claims. YOU are the one to provide the proof. Since you make the claim that Obama was born somewhere else, I need you to support that claim.
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
4:19 pm
timbo
On this blog if you say that darkness occurs at night, you are a racist. So don’t worry about it. Anyone who thinks that we should look at other options other than the clown in the White House will always be called a racist.
I just think it’s great that the people who support the Party of the Dixiecrats and the people who support the policies of Margaret Sanger are calling other people racists.
Meathead
April 22nd, 2011
4:20 pm
Mr. Logical Dude and everyone else, my bad on the abc’s, in a car typing as a passenger. Mr. Meathead is signing off on this handle now. It was fun logging into Bookman’s blog and bloviating. Bookman, you are a hysterical liberal, it both alternating amusing and concerning, but none-the-less, mush more substantial than the Ms. Tucker. Geez to Pete, that lady has issues with blanco.
Thanks for playing along Mr. Logical Dude.
ood bye
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
4:20 pm
USMC
LOL!!
I forgot about that. Yes, requiring an ID is obviously racist
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
4:20 pm
Good Little Liberal: But his birth certificate would clear everything up. Why do you think that he hasn’t produced it?
He provided the document that the State of Hawaii provided him, or ANYONE, that asks for that information. Hawaii produced the document, and OBAMA PRODUCED THAT DOCUMENT. Why won’t you believe what is on that document?
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
4:21 pm
Meathead
oodbye to you. Enjoy your trip.
Dusty
April 22nd, 2011
4:22 pm
Go Donald Go 4:07
Do not leave your McDonald’s job. You are perfectly situated. If you are trying to Trump up something, forget it. Bookman has covered that effort ad nauseum.
Now be a good lil’lib and keep those fries & faulty fables cookin’.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 22nd, 2011
4:22 pm
Arguements will be made as to whether his portrait should continue to hang in the White House as a legitimate, legal, Constitutional president.
Only people arguing will be those who are not capable of comprehending the laws of the US. There’s two basic scenarios at play with his citizenship. Either he was born in the US or he was not.
Option 1: He was born in the US.
Jus Soli dictates he’s a US citizen based on being born on US soil. Case dismissed.
Option 2: He was born outside the US.
One has to look at the Immigration and Naturalization Act as it was in effect when he was born. People try to use the fact that Obama’s parents were married prior to his birth, which would mean that he was actually born IN wedlock. Sounds sensible, but it is wrong. Legally speaking, that marriage was null and void because Obama Sr had not divorced his wife that was back in Kenya. That would mean you would use Naturalization Chart #2 to determine his citizenship.
http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/AFM/HTML/AFM/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-26573/0-0-0-33254.html
Based on that knowledge, his mother only needs one year of presence in the US or a possession for Barack to be a US citizen at birth. Case closed.
Birtherism = nonsense when US law is applied to it.
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
4:27 pm
Logical Dude
Sorry. There’s no state seal on the document that was released. THat’s a biggie.
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
4:28 pm
SoCo: Legally speaking, that marriage was null and void
But what about logically speaking?
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
4:29 pm
Good little liberal: There’s no state seal on the document that was released.
But the one I saw HAD the seal on the document. (alas, I only saw the online version). Did you see the actual version that was produced, or are you going by what someone else said?
(I looked at Fact-check.org)
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
4:30 pm
SoCo
So you are saying that the people who call Obama a Bas . . . d are correct?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 22nd, 2011
4:30 pm
But what about logically speaking?
Since you were here, I didn’t want to step into your area of expertise!!
Dusty
April 22nd, 2011
4:30 pm
SoCo 4:22
I hear you. But Bookman knew all that before he threw this out for a dog fight. Could it be…oh no no…this is a propaganda fight and nothing more????? Nawww….he wouldn’t do that, would he?
Go Donald Go
April 22nd, 2011
4:31 pm
dusted
Well my fries are better than yours!!! I’m sure you can con a blind man and make him think you’re pure but the shadow knows what evil lurks in the heart
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Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 22nd, 2011
4:33 pm
Gll
Yep, just as I’ve been called a big, Black, bald-headed b@st@rd myself.
If he had to go before an immigration judge to contest his citizenship based on a birth abroad, #2 would probably be the likely outcome. I’ve read of situations where people have had to get re-married to acknowledge or legitimate a child. If it’s a state-recognized marriage, the US recognizes it as well. One would have to dissolve that other marriage for a US marriage to be valid.
Meathead
April 22nd, 2011
4:34 pm
Ok Mr. Logical Dude,
I just saw idiotic post. I never said he was born outside the US. And is my employer burden of proof to show my employment eligibility to HR? If Barry, self-admitted was born of the fathering of Mr. Obama, he not eligible. How can the questions or mysteries be solved if he won’t release his pedigrees? How does one prove a false negative? I think I merely stated documented fact and not innuendo. I asked questions to promote a Socratic discussion and you logic is to attack a discussion with these questions have no merit because I have no proof? What proof do I need? He said his father is a Kenyan, British National, his mother had him before he was 19(regardless of where in the f’n universe born) and is not a naturalized born citizen. If his father is someone else, he is a liar. Which way do you want to go on this? I am not trying to be right or the arbitrator of this issue, just curiosities about a man who tacked on 945 billion of debt to the US in 18 moths. Jorge Bush only managed 345 billion over 8 years, bless his heart. I swear, I think you proably illustrate your ACORN coloring books on 3rd grade Alabama level, as well as you read.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
April 22nd, 2011
4:34 pm
Good Little Liberal:
I think I know and it has nothing to do with where he was born.
Just get one of those long-form certificates from back then (see my 3:48) and look at all the categories of questions that were answered.
Now, If it is what I think it is, it sure doesn’t disqualify him to be president but the American people still have the right to know.
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
4:35 pm
Dusty asks: this is a propaganda fight and nothing more?
Well, it WOULD be, however actual state legislatures are taking up valuable time passing actual legislation around this subject.
So no, it’s not a propaganda fight.
But dang it, I was craving a Whopper when you went out earlier, but I already had lunch (not a Whopper), so. . . maybe tomorrow. (Whopper with Cheese, no onions please, extra pickle)
Dusty
April 22nd, 2011
4:35 pm
Go Donald Go…thou speak with forked tongue greased with fries!!
Besides that, someone mentioned “logical thinking” here. ON BOOKMAN’S BLOG? What heresy. There’s no logical thinking here! We all know THAT.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 22nd, 2011
4:35 pm
Dusty
Could be a propaganda fight. It could also be a backhanded attempt by the GOP to finally put this crap to bed without actually having to call part of their base liars. I’ve noticed that lately there has been more and more about birthism traveling through all news organizations. I tend to go with the pr or propaganda machine myself when you see a tide rising with one particular common theme.
Reverie
April 22nd, 2011
4:36 pm
Jay, I’ll keep bringing it up until he can produce the same damn proof required of me to join the military. Seems to me that the Commander-In-Chief should at least adhere to the same, minimal standards I have to. The truth is not that the right is shooting itself in the foot, it is that the sycophant press keeps ignoring the story. When you grow a set of testicles and actually persue this story to the truth, you will then get this to go away. The real reason that the members of the gutless press refuse to dig into this is the constitutional crises that will arise when it is proven that Obama lied to us and is not eligible to lead our nation. Then every action he took is invalid and every bill he signed is unlawful. Goodbye to your precious and destructive health care law.
Grow a set and dig into the story or quit blaming the messenger.
Go Donald Go
April 22nd, 2011
4:37 pm
1811/1801 – 0311/0317
What, his religion? His race? Does America truly care or even want to know?
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
4:38 pm
Logical Dude
You saw the one on Factcheck. I saw the one on Obama’s own site. Seems like there are a few floating around out there. Which of course should raise eyebrows.
Personally, I’m not that big on conspiracies. I actually think that Oswald shot JFK. But if this issue has legs that will make more Americans question his legitimacy, I say: bring it. Make it every day news. I would really rather look at the way they passed healthcare, the way he supports foreign oil companies while going after the domestic oil companies and I would LOVE to see the transcripts from Panahou and Harvard and would love to know how he could afford to live in Boston while attending and paying for Harvard.
Go Donald Go
April 22nd, 2011
4:39 pm
**There’s no logical thinking here! We all know THAT.**
Yes, there is but you make up the illogical opposition. One caveat, you do it so well. Now just don’t go supersize it
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
4:40 pm
Meathead: Since he was born in Hawaii, he is eligible to be President. It doesn’t matter WHO his father is.
Since you claim that you never said he was born outside of the US, then why are you arguing about this?
He’s our President.
NOW we can move on to him adding huge amounts to the deficit, growing national debt, and all of the other fun stuff we do on this blog. Those are separate issues apart from his status as someone born in Hawaii.
birthersarestupidfools.com
April 22nd, 2011
4:40 pm
let’s see Hawaii gives out COLB..Bush Administration approved the COLB!!It’s a 50 year conspiracy i guess. where is every other president’s BC? He’s already shown his COLB so what else is there to do? Birhters are stupid fools that have Xenophobia. Birther’s nothing, Fox nothing,conservative Bloggers nothing, Trump nothing, Orly Taitz nothing. Why waste time and money on foolishness
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
4:41 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
3:41 pm
the impression from the context of it that the bridge collapsed due to a lack of repair or deterioration.thulsa doom
Buffoonery Doom. Reading the President’s speech they should KNOW that the MN bridge collasped because of lack of repair and deterioration. You are the one who looks foolish. -keep up
keep up,
Are you just stupid? Are you? It is a well acknowledged fact that the bridge collapsed due to a design flaw. It had nothing to do with decay or deterioration. I honestly can’t believe just how dumb you really are. Its mind blowing.
Dusty
April 22nd, 2011
4:41 pm
Logical Dude,(on Bookman’s blog????) Surely you jest.
What you need is a good Whopper right now. Brings logic if not indigestion. Sorry you missed such a delight at lunch. Mine was deeeelicious.
You worried about state legislators? By golly, they ‘ve got to have something to discuss. So why not ‘cuss Obama? Lotsa material there.
Tom
April 22nd, 2011
4:42 pm
This is rediculous, any politician and I mean ALL politicians should show their birth certificate if requested by an American citizen! Did they forget who in the hell they are working for!! For some reason they all of a sudden think they are GOD and above everyone else!! Don;t care if it is Obama, Bush, Clinton, Trump, Palin etc!!! PS – Somebody wake up Biden and tell him he is still on the clock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
4:47 pm
Guys, take a break from arguing and PLEASE take a look at this, and TURN IT UP!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=qybUFnY7Y8w
Bose55
April 22nd, 2011
4:47 pm
Reverie and Tom:
He has shown his birth certificate. You’re choosing to ignore it or deny it. Come back to reality and move on to real issues. If you’re so desperate to see his original, start petitioning to change Hawaii’s privacy laws. He’s shown all he can show.
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
4:47 pm
Identity Politics: The monster that ate the Democratic Party.
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
4:48 pm
I guess I waited long enough today. No actual Physical Evidence that Obama was born anywhere else than Hawaii was provided by anyone on the blog.
And I got a couple of people to say “well, I never said he wasn’t born in Hawaii” at least
Once I see a convincing piece of evidence that Obama was NOT born in Hawaii, I will change my stance. Until then, the ONLY convincing evidence is the document provided by the State of Hawaii. And it’s pretty solid evidence. It’ll be interesting to see if anyone can provide better proof than a state document (which can be used to get a passport, license, or other legal documents)
Z
April 22nd, 2011
4:50 pm
Recently on a TV program, the Queen of the Birther movement, Michelle Bachmann of Minn. agreed with George Stephanopoulos after he showed The Queen Birther, a copy of Obama’s certificate of live birth (his birth certificate) that yes it was settled, he was a Citizen of these United States. Only the bubble heads(lunatic fringe) believe he is not a Citizen, which is most of the republicans according to the polls. Maybe Michelle Bachmann has finally seen the folly of continuing with this birther lunacy..just maybe she finally figured out how absolutely ignorant she really looked, while spouting these out and out fantasies..about Obama. Those of us with a little sense can only hope these republican fringe groups, bubbles burst, and then maybe the light will finally come on. I won’t hold my breath.
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
4:50 pm
HDB
April 22nd, 2011
3:52 pm
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm
From the last figures I was able to find (2003), 34,700,200 white people were on Medicare out of 41,126,380 in the population…which is 84.37%……I’m not saying that half of ALL white people are on Medicare…but of those who ARE, the preponderance are white…….
http://www.nasi.org/sites/default/files/research/McBean.pdf
Gm and HDB,
Its obvious that Gm has reading comprehension problems. He stated half of all white people are on Medicare. Not quite because not half of white people are 65 or older. Now as a % of medicare recipients that would be a correct statement. since whites comprise the majority of the population. But that is not what Gm said. He said half of all white people are on Medicare which is not possible.
Secondly he said the same about Medicaid. Half of all white people are not on Medicaid. Now if he meant as a % of medicaid recipients he’s still wrong. Whites comprise 38% of all welfare recipients, blacks 37%, hispanics roughly 20%, and the rest are smaller minorities. Clearly the man does not understand how to read statistics- nor how to spell. Now even though whites comprise 1% more of the welfare recipients than blacks its also important to remember that there are 6 1/2 times as many whites as blacks. So as a % of their population the white numbers are much lower. Somehow I don’t think Gm is smart enough to understand these statistics.
Meathead
April 22nd, 2011
4:53 pm
Mr. Logiacal Dude:
One more time, and just as a qaulifier, Stanley had Barry before she was 19. Reade below carefully. I am going through great efforet of cutting and pasting on my i-phone to help you. I am on my way to mass, I will shout out one too St. Jude on your behalf; you are hopeless in understanding this discussion for, no matter how remedial or pedestrian I present this.
Natural-born citizen
Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
· Anyone born inside the United States *
· Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
· Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
· Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
· Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
· Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
· Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
· A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Reference:
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
I could be wrong
April 22nd, 2011
4:54 pm
I just always assumed that in order to meet the requirement of American born, you had to prove that when you registered as a candidate. I would assume this applies to any elected position that has American citizenship as a requirement. I find it impossible to believe that you could actually run for and win the highest office of this nation without having to meet that requirement to some sort of regulatory body as a condition of running. Anybody have clarifying info?
Dusty
April 22nd, 2011
4:56 pm
Go Donald Go,
R U SUGGESTING THAT I MIGHT BE A REPUBLICAN?? WHAT? Just because I reject silly subjects for more tasty items? That I don’t waste my time on mystery machinations? (Enough of that on TV).
But, YES, sweetheart, I am a Republican who knows when some one is beating the bushes for brouhaha and that is Bookman and his faithful bite’em bozos. OOPs..it is Easter weekend so I should have said lovely compatriots..sorry ’bout that.
So lead kindly ight and let us share our friendly fries (but you can’t have my Whopper. That’s asking too much.)
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
4:56 pm
Doom….yeah the NTSB said design flaw because the gussett plate s were undersized and fractured and weight limits had been raised. The bridge had also been listed given a structurally deficient ratings several times (and at the time of collapse) and had a 50 out of 100 ratingm (only 4% of 100,000 bridges scored below 50). The 50 rating indicated it should have been replaced.
So yes it collapse from lack of repair to the gussets. Deterioration (evidenced by its rating) and from its under design for current condition. It should have been replaced as many of our bridges and other infrastructure needs to be replaced.
So the question for you is to repeat back your childish name calling Doomy, “are you stupid”? The only answer that is available is yes. We have a serious infrastructure problem in this country. Don’t you have a rock to crawl under child?
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
4:58 pm
“…certificate of live birth (his birth certificate)”–Z
Z,
A “Certificate of live birth” and a “Birth Certificate” are not one in the same.
They are two completely different documents.
Meathead
April 22nd, 2011
5:00 pm
Mr Logical Dude:
Thank you for capsulation of today’s discussion, but before you go away in to the sunst of apathy, let’s agree he was born in HI. Done, I agree for the sake of fluid discusion. Who droped the seed in Stanley? If it was was the MauMau Socialist anti colonialist Kenyan, then he is not a NATRUAL BORN CITIZEN- he’s a citizen just like anchor baby- US Citizen, without the right to Natural Born Citizenship. I don’t care where he was born. I want to know two things; who is his daday and how did HI vett him? It’s pretty simple, if you don’t know already, don’t you want to know?
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
5:01 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
4:56 pm
Doom….yeah the NTSB said design flaw because the gussett plate s were undersized and fractured and weight limits had been raised.
Keep up,
There ya have it! Finally you admit that it was a design flaw. Certainly the bridge was probably deteriorating also but the entire point was that was caused the collapse was the initial design flaw. End of story!
Speaking of that I thought all those bridges were supposed to be repaired with a trillion dollars worth of stimulus money and shovel ready projects. Are you telling me that Obama spent a trillion dollars of waste but didn’t fix all the deteriorating bridges, dams, etc. ? Is that what you are telling me??? If we spent a trillion dollars and lord knows I have no idea where it went than why did none of that money go towards infrastructure repair? Where the hell exactly did it all go? Where sir??? Where???
Martin Williams
April 22nd, 2011
5:02 pm
Truth, what ever you drank today besides water, you better stay away from it. It is truly messing with your thinking. You all might as well get used to it till after 2016…….amen. Maybe the GOP should ask John McCain to run again as they still don’t have a serious candidate.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 22nd, 2011
5:02 pm
Meathead
You’re using the wrong Natz chart to try to determine his citizenship based on a birth abroad. When you can, read my post at 4:22 and you’ll see why.
Senior Citizen Kane
April 22nd, 2011
5:03 pm
“JFK was everything Dan Quayle wasn’t.”– Amvet
What, a serial philanderer who helped to get his country mired in the most useless war in its history at a cost of nearly 60,000 lives (not to mention a smaller disaster at the Bay of Pigs)? I’ve always thought Quayle’s answer to Benson should have been, “Why thank you.”
Dusty
April 22nd, 2011
5:05 pm
There’s music of the ancients upstairs. Go fer it, oh fearless ones!!
Go Donald Go
April 22nd, 2011
5:09 pm
Nah…I’d rather be here telling whoppers with the dusty one. My condolenses on being an admitted republican, I guess when you reach the bottom, there is no where to go but up. Well many a repub have learned to go sideways, which are you?
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
5:11 pm
“JFK was everything Dan Quayle wasn’t.”– Amvet
Yeah, that’s a laugh when liberals bring up JFK.
JFK lowered taxes and had a famous quote that makes Democrats croak every time they hear it:
“Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.”
Watch all of the Democrats are scattering about because those words are contrary to everything the Liberals and the Democratic Party stand for.
JFK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLdA1ikkoEc
Bose55
April 22nd, 2011
5:15 pm
“A “Certificate of live birth” and a “Birth Certificate” are not one in the same.
They are two completely different documents.”
USMC
Hawaii has only issued certificates of live birth since 2001. Your attempted semantic argument is meaningless. They have the original birth certificates on record, and issue certified copies, which is exactly what has been shown. Since he was born in 1961, there would have been his parents would have been giving an exact duplicate as was the practice then, but people lose those all the time. I only have a certified copy, as do millions of other Americans. So again, Obama’s certified copy of his birth certificate can be used in any scenario requiring a birth certificate to be provided. Sounds like a birth certificate to me. In the future, it’s best to just use phrases like original and copy, fyi.
Mighty Righty
April 22nd, 2011
5:16 pm
It is easy to know what or who scares the left. They just can’t stop writting and discussing the person or subject. Funny how Jay’s facts don’t include a copy of the factual document.
Doggone/GA
April 22nd, 2011
5:18 pm
“Funny how Jay’s facts don’t include a copy of the factual document.”
Google is your friend
Go Donald Go
April 22nd, 2011
5:24 pm
usmc
Yeah that’s why when he went to dallas they were passing out posters of jfk inside a sniper’s scope. The hate was so strong that in some schools students actually cheered upon hearing of his assassination. I’m pretty sure those people grew up to be our present day tea partiers and birthers.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
5:25 pm
Doomy child, you suffer from focus. I’m not arguing your tagents of diversion, You claimed Obama lied by “implying something” (how foolish a claim) and then want to argue that a design flaw alone as determined by a govt agency is evidence alone (ignoring the other issues) in a blog about birthers when you igore a govt agency certification and now you want to move on. I’m tired of your dishonest buffoonery. You are incurable! I laugh at you. Recovery.com has your answers but you are too dense to read and a nonsense child.
Birthers be crazy. buh-bye.
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Doggone/GA
April 22nd, 2011
5:33 pm
Considering that what Jay wrote wasn’t even about Obama’s birth certificate…it would be fun to know just how big a belly laugh he’s getting out of all this.
Dave R.
April 22nd, 2011
5:35 pm
“Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national”
Meathead, since Hope & Punt ™ was downloaded from the womb of an American citizen, he is, through the rule above, an American citizen.
End of story.
Got it?
Move on.
Left wing management
April 22nd, 2011
5:43 pm
To those wondering about the brutal beating that was posted on YouTube, here’s finally some actual reporting on the incident. Seems the incident occurred in Baltimore and two assailants have been charged, one a juvenile.
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/27640819/detail.html
Go Donald Go
April 22nd, 2011
5:46 pm
Dave R.
Well, I’ll be a monkeys uncle, there is one sane voice amongst the kookamonga berry patch.
Logical Dude
April 22nd, 2011
5:52 pm
Meathead: let’s agree he was born in HI. Done, I agree for the sake of fluid discusion. Who droped the seed
Well, if you agree that he was born in Hawaii, then IT DOESN’T MATTER who the father was. Having been born on american soil with an American mother makes him. . .
wait for it
. . . AMERICAN!
Dusty
April 22nd, 2011
5:52 pm
Well, shucks! GO DONALD GO thinks Republicans might want to go anywhere but straight forward. Poor baby! Doncha know that Repubs don’t vacillate like jello under whipcream? We are a sweeet crowd dedicated to freedom and individual rights. So why would we change?
The answer is we are not even tempted. What is better than the freedom we have to take care of ourselves with minds and choices of our own? To realize that debt is undesirable and economy is discipline? That our troops are fighting for us!!
Yep, I am going to be a REPUBLICAN for a long time. And… for a few whacks, I’ll even throw in some patriotism. Now, that is not politically correct but us Repubs don’t care. The USA is the BEST!!
I’m gone. au revoir!!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
5:54 pm
Logical….. awww man…you took away the anchor baby argument too? lol.
Doggone/GA
April 22nd, 2011
5:59 pm
“you took away the anchor baby argument too? lol”
I have NEVER seen a response from an “anchor baby” believer to explain what they are supposed to ben anchoring.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
6:46 pm
Doggone…that is one high bar you’re trying to set. Crazy conspiracy arguments with facts, logic, standards and rational explanation? I don’t suppose you’ll settle for “trust us”?
Corey
April 22nd, 2011
6:47 pm
UGA199@3:03, I’d say that it’s only been about fifty years since blacks were granted fulll citizenship in much of the south a lot has been accomplished. Astronaut MIT physicist from rural South Carolina – Dr. McNair, Astronomer and director of the Hayden Planetarium – Neil DeGrasse Tyson, astronomer and director of the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia, Chancelor of Brown University, Secretaries of State, National Security Advisors, POTUS, generals, astonaut Charles Bolden of Columbia, South Carolina, astronaut and dear friend whom I had the pleasure of knowing an serving with in the Air Force – Michael P, Anderson (deceased- the latest shuttle disaster which occurred on reentry over Texas), chief of pediatric neuro surgery Johns Hopkins – Dr. Ben Carson, first black dean of an American Medical School – Dr. Ross (Diana Ross’s sister) and the list goes on. However, when the local media parade a slew of blacks behaving badly that’s the only thing that gets imprinted on your brain.
Mr Right
April 22nd, 2011
6:53 pm
Ho Hum I wonder what Jay would write about if he wouldn’t write about the GOP ?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 22nd, 2011
6:54 pm
I guess they’re anchoring babies.
Ramguy
April 22nd, 2011
6:56 pm
Oh we should give these birthers a break. They’re doing the best they can. If they could do any better they would.
Mighty Righty
April 22nd, 2011
7:01 pm
A note to those of you uninformed Democrats who insist Bush got us into two illegal wars. Both the United States House of Representatives and the United Sates Senate authorized and funded both wars in compliance with of the War Powers Act. This was and is unlike Obama’s War in Libya which has neither approval of Congress nor authorized funding and is in fact a violation of our Constitution which should be an impeachable offense. Personnaly I think George Bush made a mistake in Iraq by staying there after Saddam Hussein was toppled and he should never have gone into Afghanastan at all but the Democrats were insisting on it at the time. The Democrats now deny there involvement. I think Obama was correct prior to his election about getting out of both now. That thought comes from a proud right wing conservative.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
7:05 pm
okay, who played the illegal war card twice? Can somebody Trump it?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 22nd, 2011
7:31 pm
Mighty Righty
I have slight disagreements with part of that, but I’m in agreement with you on Obama’s statement about getting out of both.
I think Afghanistan was justified, but not justified to be a 10 year campaign. We knew AQ was behind 9/11. We could have used recon and satellite scans to locate their training camps in no-mans land. Once all camps were located and documented, 3 solid days of B-52 bombing runs with Tomahawk intermissions could have taken out all their training camps without putting a boot on the ground. A quick, decisive punch to the mouth is the fastest way to get someone’s attention when they’re trying to provoke you.
As far as Iraq, I think that’s the one that we should have never been involved in. Hussein was our stopper to keep the drain plugged in that area. Well, actually, he was one of many chess pieces we had over there. As a footnote, I wouldn’t have gotten involved in Libya either.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
April 22nd, 2011
7:40 pm
Go Donald Go:
I don’t think “religion” is on birth certificates. Not on mine and shouldn’t be.
However, race is on there and if for some reason his mother wanted “white” then he wouldn’t be our first black president now would he? After all, he is 1/2 white …….. is he not?
Union
April 22nd, 2011
7:49 pm
forget the whole birther issue.. the gop needs to let go.. well.. not the gop.. just jay and the other idiots.. most conservatives i know could care less.. obama had managed to prove himself as a complete and total failure..
I like how bookman and the other liberals try to label conservatives by what one person says.. does that mean that we can label libs by what other libs say.. apparently libs have no problem knocking off presidents.. that may be an issue..
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 22nd, 2011
7:56 pm
I like how bookman and the other liberals try to label conservatives by what one person says.. does that mean that we can label libs by what other libs say..
You guys already do that. I guess that’s why it goes back and forth. Neither side is man enough to stop acting like grade school kids.
Mighty Righty
April 22nd, 2011
8:09 pm
Doggone/GA-Did as you suggested-there are some compelling arguments about “other” people seeing the Birth Certificate so I understand where you are coming from. I have also seen a internet copy purported to be authentic but without certification. I still wonder why He won’t release a “certified” copy. I would suggest you read Snopes account paying particular attention to the “story” of the lady who thirty years later remembers in detail the specifics of a conversation she had about Obama’s birth and even made a note of the baby’s name on a napkin, and she remembers the name of the resturant she was in at the time. Now most of us remember where we were when JFK was shot, or on 9/11 But this lady remembers specific details of the birth of a obscure not yet famous infant claiming to be a friend of the mother. How many of you can remember the details of the birth of an infant in your own family 30 years after the fact. That is nothing but a bunch of BS and it makes a skeptic like me wonder why such a concoction is neccessary. Also, talking about internet copies, there is one floating around that shows him being born in Kenya. I don’t put any stock in that either. All of this could be cleared up by just producing a “certified” copy with a real doctors signature on the line that says “delivered by.” It defies credulity to think the Obama people are spending so much time hiding something that doesn’t need hiding.
y_p_w
April 22nd, 2011
8:16 pm
You want irony?
Unlike the Georgia bill that set a standard that Georgia’s birth certificate form could meet, Louisiana’s proposed birther bill requires a standard that their current form doesn’t meet.
Here’s a copy of a recent Louisiana certificate birth certificate that was released by a candidate for Congress from the state:
http://cenlamar.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/screen-shot-2010-07-14-at-9-01-57-pm.png
Here’s the requirements for Pres/VP/Congressional candidates to have submitted before their names can appear on the ballot in Louisiana under HB 561. The same text is present five times for different offices/election periods in the bill:
http://www.legis.state.la.us/billdata/streamdocument.asp?did=742268
“An original or certified copy of the candidate’s birth certificate that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician, and signatures of the witnesses in attendance.”
The Louisiana “Certificate of Live Birth” does list the date and place of birth, as well as the name of the hospital. However, it doesn’t list the attendant (could be a nurse or midwife I would think) and as a computer-generated abstract it doesn’t reproduce any original signatures. They’re deliberately targeting Obama because all he can produce is a Hawaii form. However, if this goes into law, they’re stabbing the backs of current and prospective members of Congress and Presidential/VP candidates born in the state of Louisiana. They’re apparently so eager to keep Obama off the ballot that the looked at what wasn’t in the Hawaii birth certificate form which they could target, that they didn’t stop and think what a Louisiana form looked like. There’s been some speculation that some out of state birther drafted the bill and the bill sponsors simply attached their names without looking closely at the text.
Left wing management
April 22nd, 2011
8:20 pm
I’m watching Donald Trump right now on Eliot Spitzer’s show and I’m going on record here that if this guy actually runs, my money’s on him. You can put me down right now.
Yippee
April 22nd, 2011
9:22 pm
I don’t know where the jackass was born or what religion affiliation, if any, he claims or practices. I do know one thing about the president. He is doing a crappy job. There is no doubt in my mind that he will be defeated in 2012 regardless how many billions he raises and how many facebookers he attracts. The masses have seen enough of this jerk and he will be kicked to the curb. Bet on it!
Go Donald Go
April 22nd, 2011
9:26 pm
Could be a long wait till 2016, hope you can handle it.
Jezel
April 22nd, 2011
9:37 pm
As long as the Republicans continue to hate…it will not take much to make them look bad.
Jezel
April 22nd, 2011
9:46 pm
Trump was the only Republican who had a chance to defeat OBama. Can see he will not keep his foot out of his mouth.
Z
April 23rd, 2011
11:37 pm
Republicans don’t care a flip about debt, if they did why weren’t they flipping out when GW Bush was spending us into oblivion. The only thing Republicans care about is, Abortion, Guns and Taxes. The poor sheep just can’t seem to figure out anything for themselves so they follow the Goats(Faux Nutty Nuz and Icky friends, Rush, Hanny, Coch brothers, Rupert Murdock, Dick Army, Beck, all the right-wing shock jocks, over the cliff every time. All the Goats have to do is yell, ABORTION, GUNS and TAXES and over the cliff the sheep go, poor things…you would think they would finally figure it out but no, they truely are real honest to goodness sheep. Gawd help um please, especially on this Easter week-end, maybe they will see the light.
independent thinker
April 24th, 2011
9:07 pm
Palin, Limbow, Bachman, Coulter, Trump, Hannity, Gingrich, Beck, Turd Blossom, Malkin, etc,- How are they all going to fit in those little clown cars?
bigappleyankee
April 25th, 2011
12:29 pm
What a complete and utter waste of time and effort! With all of this country’s (and the world’s) problems, you’d think people would spend more time on finding a job (they are out there!) instead of worrying about a birth certificate. Since when did ANY gov’t agency in ANY state issue you an original birth certificate when you requested it? Think, people!
Joe Mama
April 25th, 2011
5:59 pm
Righty — “A note to those of you uninformed Democrats who insist Bush got us into two illegal wars. Both the United States House of Representatives and the United Sates Senate authorized and funded both wars in compliance with of the War Powers Act.”
Nope. This was the same argument Bill Clinton tried to use, and it didn’t fly then, either. Congress *didn’t* authorize our involvement in Used-To-Be-Slavia, but it *did* authorize funding. President Clinton (for whom I did not vote, BTW) tried to claim that the funding constituted IMPLICIT authorization on the grounds that Congress certainly wouldn’t fund military actions it didn’t approve of, but that is NOT what the War Powers Resolution says. Congress is *required* to EXPLICITLY authorize military actions over 90 days in length, and that did not happen in Kosovo, Iraq or Afghanistan. Technically, all three were violations of the War Powers Resolution and therefore illegal.
“This was and is unlike Obama’s War in Libya which has neither approval of Congress nor authorized funding and is in fact a violation of our Constitution which should be an impeachable offense.”
Nope. You’re wrong. Violation, my butt and impeachable offense, my foot. If anyone’s uninformed on this issue, it would appear to be you.
You need to READ the War Powers Resolution, because you are misrepresenting what it says. I personally don’t agree with our involvement in Libya, but the fact is that Presidents can send our military into action for up to 90 days WITHOUT Congressional approval. Anything OVER 90 days, though, REQUIRES Congressional authorization. If we’re not out of there by mid-June, come see me again. But between now and then, maybe you could actually READ what the thing says.
“Personnaly I think George Bush made a mistake in Iraq by staying there after Saddam Hussein was toppled and he should never have gone into Afghanastan at all but the Democrats were insisting on it at the time.”
I hadn’t yet left the GOP at the time, but it seemed to me that OBL admitted to 9/11 and to being in Afghanistan, and that the Taliban said he was there and they weren’t giving him up. For that reason, IMO we should have gone into Afghanistan in force and gotten OBL dead or alive.
IMO there was no reason for going into Iraq, and doing so just spread us too thin. Saddam Hussein didn’t have WMDs and the claimed evidence was just a load of bulldada. Besides, if we’re going to take out dictators with WMD, there’s a loonytune in North Korea who fits the bill PERFECTLY, yet we’re sitting down with him and talking things out.
“The Democrats now deny there involvement. I think Obama was correct prior to his election about getting out of both now. That thought comes from a proud right wing conservative.”
I think now and have always thought that our involvement in Iraq was a bad idea, but I remain supportive of getting OBL. I think that Congress and two Presidents, however, have frittered away our national will to get OBL, and I find that a crying shame.
Joe Mama
April 25th, 2011
6:06 pm
Mighty — “I still wonder why He won’t release a “certified” copy.”
He can’t release it because the State of Hawaii doesn’t and never has.
“All of this could be cleared up by just producing a “certified” copy with a real doctors signature on the line that says “delivered by.” It defies credulity to think the Obama people are spending so much time hiding something that doesn’t need hiding.”
He’s not hiding anything; the State of Hawaii simply doesn’t release it and he can’t authorize them to, because it’s against state law.
The head of the state records department and (former) Governor Lingle both viewed the original, and both have verified and vouched for its authenticity. And given that Gov. Lingle is a Republican (she was Mayor of Maui County when I lived out there), I think she’d have said something if there was anything fishy about it.
The good people of Hawaii don’t like outsiders telling them what to do and how to run their state any more than the good people of Georgia do, so the Hawaii Legislature actually passed a law permitting the state records department to IGNORE repeated and harassing demands for any state records. So not only does Hawaii not have to release the certificate (because that’s been state law since HI was a state), it now doesn’t even have to respond to you if you call or write or fax and ask for a copy.
There’s nothing to clear up here. Just as your GA drivers’ license is good in HI because GA says it is, the President’s HI birth certificate is good in every other state just because HI says it is.
Full Faith and Credit Clause. Learn it, love it.
Robert
April 26th, 2011
9:19 am
Just to clarify, the word “birther” is the new code word for “white racist” and the GOP is responsible for attracting lunatics like the home grown terrorist group(s) known as the “tea party” whose weapons of choice are hatred, fear and rage against minorities, women, gays & lesbians and Muslims & Jews. The whole world saw their hatred and bigotry on display during the 2010 midterm elections and heard their call to battle (take back my country) as well as saw the majority of poor, uneducated White Americans embrace the “tea party” and vote for the entire GOP ticket regardless of the candidates experience. The American People elected President Obama and the “tea party” (aka, klansmen, skinheads, disenfranshised white americans) have tried unsuccessfully to taint him as un-American which has created code words for racist such as “birther” and fanned the flames of racism in this country. Enough is Enough
Robert
April 27th, 2011
11:53 am
To clarify the word “birther” is the new code word for “white racist”