Birtherism: The monster that ate the GOP

Top Republican leaders have begun a belated effort to squash the birther theory that threatens to define their party as a bunch of lunatics, at least among those many Americans who don’t share the obsessions of the GOP base.

But I have no sympathy, because they brought this on themselves.

As far back as the 2008 campaign, the core of the Republican marketing strategy has been to discredit Barack Obama by depicting him as the much-feared “other” — an unAmerican, even anti-American, Muslim, anti-colonial socialist Kenyan, etc. The notion never really penetrated the general population, but among much of the GOP base it has grown into an article of faith, as much a sign of Republican fealty as a no-tax pledge and the adoration of Ronald Reagan. From its humble beginnings in the fertile imaginations of Orly Taitz and others, it has become the GOP’s Frankenstein, a monstrous creation that they no longer control and in fact now fear.

It has, for example, given them a nightmare called Donald Trump, who has used the birther issue to rise to near-frontrunner status among potential GOP presidential candidates. But remember, Trump did not create that sentiment; opportunist that he is, he merely tapped into what was already there. In fact, by saying outright what other GOP candidates had been coyly suggesting or hinting at, he kind of gave the game away. He made explicit what the party establishment had tried to keep implicit, and by doing so forced them to finally confront it.

But it may be too late. Just this week, a New York Times poll found that 45 percent of Republican voters profess to believe that Obama was born elsewhere; only 33 percent would admit the truth, that he was born in Hawaii. (A Fox News poll earlier this month showed similar numbers).

In Arizona, the arch-conservative governor, Jan Brewer, was forced to veto a bill this week that would have required Obama to produce his “long-form” birth certificate to get on that state’s ballot in 2012. The bill had passed the Arizona House 40-18 and the Senate 20-9.

In Louisiana, Gov. Bobby Jindal has announced he will sign such a bill if it reaches his desk. Oklahoma is about to pass such a law as well.

And here in Georgia, of course, state Rep. Mark Hatfield initially enlisted a majority of his House colleagues to sign on as cosponsors of a birther bill until saner heads prevailed. But Hatfield hasn’t given up:

“If one state passes, and the Obama administration basically ignores the requirement and does not qualify for the ballot in that state, that would send a very strong signal that we have a situation in the United States where someone who is not eligible is occupying the White House,” the Waycross Republican said this week, noting that “other states, including Georgia, have a duty to step up.” Such legislation is guaranteed to keep the issue in the political spotlight.

The point man for the GOP establishment’s effort to repudiate its illegitimate offspring has been Karl Rove, which itself is telling. Rove doesn’t have to run for anything, and he risks nothing with his unequivocal repudiation of birtherism. But party figures, including presidential hopefuls, who are dependent on the GOP base for votes don’t dare to be so blunt about the ridiculous nature of the charge.

Rove, in fact, has even tried to suggest that the whole thing is some plot against the GOP concocted by the White House, which would be very cool if true. Alas, it is not. Others on the right have demanded that the president save them from themselves by doing something, anything, that would end the debate. But why? If your opposition is self-destructing, why on earth would you come to their rescue?

Besides, nothing Obama could say or do would end this thing, as political scientist David Redlawsk of Rutgers University explains:

“The reality is that “facts” are unlikely to mean much to those who believe in their gut that Obama is not American. Political psychologists call this “motivated reasoning.” It goes something like this: I dislike someone; I learn something positive that should make me feel better about him; instead, I dislike him as much or even more. This is clearly irrational, but our feelings about people are complicated, and we tend to hold on to them even in the face of contradictory information. This is not unique to those who dislike Obama.

We are all somewhat impervious to new information, preferring the beliefs in which we are already invested. We often ignore new contradictory information, actively argue against it or discount its source, all in an effort to maintain existing evaluations. Reasoning away contradictions this way is psychologically easier than revising our feelings. In this sense, our emotions color how we perceive “facts.”….

In the case of President Obama, people who already dislike him at a gut level have little motivation to revise their beliefs, whether about his place of birth or, as we have found in other research, the persisting belief that he is Muslim. It’s not the evidence that matters. Feelings come first, and evidence is used mostly in service of those feelings. Evidence that supports what is already believed is accepted, that which contradicts it is not.

So the smart bet is that the birthplace issue, the Muslim issue, and any other ways in which Obama can be portrayed as outside the mainstream are not going away. And no amount of data to the contrary will change that for some people. The simple reality is people feel before they think. And when those feelings are strong enough, facts take a back seat.”

Having created a political movement around such “motivated reasoning” in which emotion substitutes for fact, the masterminds of the GOP now have to deal with its consequences.

It’s downright entertaining, don’t you think?

-- Jay Bookman

675 comments Add your comment

Thulsa Doom

April 22nd, 2011
3:25 pm

AmVet

April 22nd, 2011
3:23 pm

This is EXACTLY why the black race will never succeed in any country.

Generally, it is just a matter off time before the true bigots reveals themselves…

I guess Amvet must have watched the McDonald’s video and hence his comment about the true bigots revealing themselves.

Paul

April 22nd, 2011
3:25 pm

Harry

Thanks for the clarification.

Now I must get back to work with no interruptions.

Go Donald Go

April 22nd, 2011
3:27 pm

I’m glad to see my minions cling to the birther fantasy….good work loonies keep charging just don’t check out this video with george and michele bachman, because you know, and I know, you can’t handle the truth….forward to victory
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/20/stephanopoulos-bachmann-obama-birth-certificate_n_851529.html

HDB

April 22nd, 2011
3:27 pm

Joe
April 22nd, 2011
3:00 pm

John McCain’s citizenship was NEVER challenged because he is the son AND grandson of Naval Academy graduates…and at that time, Panama was a protectorate of the United States!! As the military offpring of flag-ranking officers, his citizenship was never challenged!!

boots
April 22nd, 2011
2:59 pm

There WAS a racial component in Michael Steele’s non-re-election; if you watched it as I did on C-SPAN, that was evident……some of the prejoratives spoke volumes…..

The question isn’t that one of Obama’s parents was foreign; neither is there an issue of his growing up outside of the US….the issue is solely: WHERE WAS OBAMA BORN?? As long as Hawai’i is the 50th state at the time of his birth and no renouncing of his citizenship has occurred, Obama is an American CITIZEN!! Case closed!!

UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:57 pm

Note what you said: “THERE WAS NEVER A NEED TO.” If not before, then why now?? Why change the standards now???

Please name me one President/Presidential candidate PRIOR to President Obama that was a minority and has made it this far in the process……Alan Keyes, Jesse Jackson, Shirley Chisholm. Note: NONE of those candidates made it to the Presidential ELECTORAL point! Obama has gone further than each of his predecessors……so as is evident, there has been NO minority to have made it to the point that Obama has attained!!

UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:57 pm

Doggone/GA

April 22nd, 2011
3:27 pm

It’s been MOST amusing reading this. All this hoo ha over where Obama was born…when WHERE he was born is of absolutely no interest whatsoever. None. He’s an American citizen because his Mother was an American citizen. He could have been born on MARS for all it would matter. He is an American citizen by birthright.

Good little liberal

April 22nd, 2011
3:28 pm

So this might be used to keep Obama off state ballots? That’s fantastic!!!

Ignore it now, Barry.

LOL!!!

Left wing management

April 22nd, 2011
3:28 pm

Fix-it: “Why not shut up both sides and just show the document, then how about school transcripts, why did he seal them?”

What “both” sides, there’s only ONE side. And that side will be undeterred – and possibly inflamed – by ANY action by Obama whatsoever.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 22nd, 2011
3:29 pm

Doom…I am smarter than you but then again a rock is too. First your statement was “his lie about the Minnesota bridge collapsing because Repubs didn’t want to fund infrastructure repair”. So now you are calling Obama a liar because Are you going to sit there with a straight face and say that Obama wasn’t implying that the Minnesota bridge collapsed due to lack of infrastructure and repair? So he lied or he implied something in your mind’s distortion.

Its clear. Your buffoonery is the lie. I wont even imply it. Its for all to see.

David

April 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm

What an incredably mornic artile. I keep wondering how Jay Bookman keeps a job. I don’t even know where to begin with this one. The Birthers are such a small part of the overall population it is not even funny. If the President is holding out simply for political gain shame on him. The President proves once again that he knows nothing about leadership. The fact is if he turned over a birth certificate while there would still be fringe belivers it would be over and done with, if he is choosing to keep it going he is hurting the office for his own gain and that is not leadership. Heck the first time I even hear the Natural Born Citizen argument the left was asking about it regarding John McCain who was born on a Military Base not in the United States. The fact is this is a dead issue that the Media likes to keep bringing up. Fine keep bringing it up I really don’t care.

Curious Observer

April 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm

Please, all you morons who use USMC in your handle: Get another handle. You’re giving active duty and retired Marines everywhere an undeserved reputation for stupidity and valueless lives. The rest of us who served the USMC with honor and some intelligence will thank you.

Harry Callahan

April 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm

“He’s an American citizen because his Mother was an American citizen. He could have been born on MARS for all it would matter. He is an American citizen by birthright.”

Not necessarily true. I think you better go back and read the amendment.

Thulsa Doom

April 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm

Gm

April 22nd, 2011
3:22 pm

USMC

You are the reason Obama is begging America to support education, another racist video, more then half the tea party idiots dont want medicaid cut, but you hypocrites are standing against goverment.
More then half of whites are on meidcaid and medicare, so when your rich conservatives friends put your grandma and grand pa on the street please dont come cyring for help.- Gm

Gm,

You are too comical. What video did USMC show that was “racist” and why was it “racist”?

More than half of all whites are on medicare or medicaid? Really? I’ll send you a $1,000 if you can provide a govt source that says that half of all whites are on medicare or on medicaid. I got a $1,000 waiting for you. All ya gotta do is prove it.

Joe Cool

April 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm

“This is EXACTLY why the black race will never succeed in any country. They only vote based on race or what they feel it will get them rather than what makes the country better or stronger.”

Dude, i feel sorry for you. A statement like that shows your bigotry. You’re probably the type of person who see’s someone of the Black race who’s doing well off better than yourself, and it eats at your soul…lol. Dude, get out the 60’s..it’s 2011!

Bose55

April 22nd, 2011
3:31 pm

Doggone

That’s actually incorrect. Look up citizenship requirements. One citizen plus one noncitizen, the citizen has to have lived at least 5 years within the United States after their 14th birthday. So by the birthers’ logic, she would have been giving birth in Kenya having not met that requirement.

Don’t get me wrong, this whole thing is a nonissue. He was born here, the proof is crystal clear. But your point there is off base.

Doggone/GA

April 22nd, 2011
3:32 pm

“John McCain’s citizenship was NEVER challenged because he is the son AND grandson of Naval Academy graduates…and at that time, Panama was a protectorate of the United States!! As the military offpring of flag-ranking officers, his citizenship was never challenged!!”

Then why did the Congress feel it was necessary to weigh in on the subject?

“The Senate is expected to this week weigh in that Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, is in fact a natural-born American citizen, thus eligible to be president under the Constitution”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/senate-deals-with-mccains-citizenship/

AmVet

April 22nd, 2011
3:34 pm

That video has zero to do with UGA’s bigotry.

Nor does it explain Doom’s supporting the bigot’s claim.

Meathead

April 22nd, 2011
3:34 pm

In August, 2008, just two months before the election, the Democrat Party of Hawaii’s (DPH) chairman, Brian Schatz, had already refused to include legally required, explicit language in its sworn Official Certification of Nomination (OCON) that Barack Obama was qualified to serve as President under the provisions of the U.S. Constitution. Former DPH Chair, Brian Schatz, now serves as Hawaii’s Lt. Governor under Gov. Neil Abercrombie (2010). As DPH Chair, Schatz authored the state’s Democrat Party OCON for Obama without including legally required language stating that Obama was constitutionally eligible to serve as president. Schatz won the Lt. Gov. seat by a wide margin after two years of remaining silent about his OCON controversy. Ultimately, the DPH’s rejection of Obama was due to a refusal by Obama to make available the original documented evidence confirming his eligibility. However, this justifiable lack of certification by the DPH was followed by a covert attempt by the Democratic National Committee, chaired by Nancy Pelosi, to artificially proclaim Obama eligible in Hawaii by submitting two separate, sworn Official Certifications of Nomination (OCON) for Obama, each containing different legal language. Both versions of the OCON were sent to the Hawaiian Office of Elections while only one version was submitted to other states’ Election authorities. The DNC’s fraudulent OCON was an obvious, desperate attempt to control damage and prevent Obama from being disqualified from the Hawaiian ballot and prevent public awareness of the DPH’s refusal to certify Obama’s eligibility. The Official Certification of Nomination is a legally required document submitted by each party’s state and national authority to every state elections committee authority prior to each election. It affords the Chief Elections Officer in each state with the documented legal assurance that the candidates seeking inclusion on their state’s ballot are indeed certified as constitutionally eligible to serve the office they seek.

Unfortunately, the violation committed by the DNC’s falsified certification is that there was no evidence to support claims of Obama’s eligibility. The DNC simply fabricated reasons over the authority of the state party authority in order to force Obama’s candidacy onto the Hawaiian presidential ballot. Of course, Democrats claim there was no impropriety on the part of Pelosi and the DNC. However, they have failed to explain why the state party authority refused to certify Obama, due to his lack of legal qualifications, while the national party authority simply certified Obama, ignoring that same lack of legal qualifications. The lack of accountability makes the Democrat Party appear pathetically disreputable. The DNC is not served by the multiple state party authorities, it is there to serve the state party authorities. Federal constitutional law prescribes the mandates for Presidential eligibility, but state authorities have the responsibility for validating candidate authenticity for their own ballot.

QUESTIONS THE MEDIA FAILED TO ASK
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After the DNC submitted a customized OCON, allegedly on August 28th, why did Schatz refuse to inquire to the DNC or request from the DNC the evidence used by the DNC to determine Obama’s eligibility in Hawaii?
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Why did the DPH not have access to this information directly from the State of Hawaii, like the DNC did?
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Are we supposed to believe that the DNC, in Denver, almost 4000 miles away, had acquired documented proof from the state of Hawaii to legally approve Obama’s eligibility, yet the state party authority, whose headquarters is within walking distance from the State of Hawaii records and elections offices, was somehow not able to obtain this evidence before the DNC?
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Moreover, after the DNC submitted their OCON, allegedly with seven full days remaining in the filing deadline, why was the DPH not able to simply revise their OCON to include the legal language after reviewing the evidence used by the DNC to certify Obama’s eligibility?
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The lies and abetment of Obama’s illegitimacy in Hawaii are so glaring, it is breath-taking.
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Perhaps the most important question, however, is: Was Schatz politically rewarded for cooperating with the DNC’s fraudulent certification in 2008?

Thulsa Doom

April 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm

keep up the good fight,

Sorry dude but it is what it is. If any rational or reasonable person read that paragraph they would have the impression from the context of it that the bridge collapsed due to a lack of repair or deterioration. You know it and I know it. To deny that that is the context of his statement is like denying that its daylight outside. You look like a fool. Go back to your corner now.

stands for decibels

April 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm

What an incredably mornic artile

I guess it’s five o’clock somewhere…

FSUBraves

April 22nd, 2011
3:36 pm

All that Jay and you still cannot prove obama is a Natural Born Cit….The Burden of proof is on him, not the GOP. Just wait until Jerome Corsi’s book comes out. The proverbial crap will really hit the fan then. Get your excuses lined up.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 22nd, 2011
3:38 pm

Dave: And to all the “birthers’ out there:

Doesn’t matter if he has shown the original birth certificate or not. He came out of the womb of an American citizen, which makes him an American citizen.

Case closed. No futher proof is needed.

Got it?

Move on.

Back from page one…. You da man!!!!!!! You should put that on a bumper sticker or t-shirt. I couldn’t read beyond page one, as what I comprehended from the back and forth was, “I’m not a birther, but I play one on the internet.” Cursory knowledge of the Immigration Laws quickly disproves any non-citizen claim that people can make. Purile nonsense, but great for comic relief when one is having a bad day…

Thulsa Doom

April 22nd, 2011
3:38 pm

AmVet,

Go take a pepto-bismol. If you have an ounce of humanity you’re probably just as sick in the stomach as myself, harry callahan, or anyone else who watched that McDonald’s video. What I want to know is when are Jesse and Al going to have a dialogue about what’s going to be done about attacks like the McDonald’s and Marta attack yesterday. What are you and them going to do to reduce your level of bigotry and hate filled violence?

TaxPayer

April 22nd, 2011
3:38 pm

The comments from the cons here may give the Donald enough encouragement to run. Good show of support for yet another Birther in the primaries.

stands for decibels

April 22nd, 2011
3:41 pm

I make about $150K, and I paid my house off 10 years ago.

lessee…statistical margin of error when your sample size is 1 would be…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 22nd, 2011
3:41 pm

the impression from the context of it that the bridge collapsed due to a lack of repair or deterioration.

Buffoonery Doom. Reading the President’s speech they should KNOW that the MN bridge collasped because of lack of repair and deterioration. You are the one who looks foolish.

And as the President says: Our roads, our bridges, our sewer systems are all deteriorating. We don’t even have a serious high-speed rail infrastructure in this country. Our broadband lines are slower than places like South Korea. Well, so what, we cut transportation by another third, and what’s going to happen to America? We’re just going to have potholes everywhere? (Laughter.)

The world is laughing at you Doom.

Good little liberal

April 22nd, 2011
3:41 pm

TaxPayer

Whatever it takes to get that clown out of the White House. i don’t care if he was born on Mars, he is the worst thing that has ever happened to my country.

Joe Cool

April 22nd, 2011
3:41 pm

“The Burden of proof is on him, not the GOP.”

????
UMmmm did I miss something when the state of Hawaii VERIFIED his BC? Ohh yeah, their in on it to with Soros right? LOL.
OHH, doesnt he have a Passport that’s verified by the U.S. State Dept? Ohhh, i guess he got around that without a BC..lol. I guess he doesnt have a drivers either?

Sad when you Repubs live in conspiracy and not LOGIC! You guys probably still see Elvis at the local bar!

TaxPayer

April 22nd, 2011
3:42 pm

What an incredably mornic artile

I guess it’s five o’clock somewhere…

Or shortly after. After all, it does take time to order and down a few.

poison pen

April 22nd, 2011
3:42 pm

Jay

April 22nd, 2011
11:53 am
Yeah, the Dems made the Arizona Republicans pass that law and the Dems made 45 percent of Republicans say they thought Obama wasn’t born here and the Dems made Donald Trump into a GOP folk hero.

The Dems did it all. If only Dems were that smart.

Jay, the World is ending, for once I agree with you, if only the Dems were that smart, I’m glad that you finally admitted what we knew all along. THANK YOU.

Doggone/GA

April 22nd, 2011
3:43 pm

“Look up citizenship requirements”

I’ve just been looking in the Constitution and I don’t see anything about living in the US for 5 years after the age of 14. Where does that occur? All the Consititution says about citizenship as refers to the President it this:

“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

And Harry, there are NO amendments that address citizenship and the office of the President.

AmVet

April 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm

Doom, I could not care less that you have stereotypical issues with black people.

Your bigotry is of zero concern to me.

I just hope for their sake, that you don’t have any children to further your poisoned, racist views.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm

A memorandum to Congress dated April 3, 2009, written by the Congressional Research Service, states–

Considering the history of the constitutional qualifications provision, the common use and meaning of the phrase “natural-born subject” in England and in the Colonies in the 1700s, the clause’s apparent intent, the subsequent action of the first Congress in enacting the naturalization act of 1790 (expressly defining the term “natural born citizen” to include a person born abroad to parents who are United States citizens), as well as subsequent Supreme Court dicta, it appears that the most logical inferences would indicate that the phrase “natural born Citizen” would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “at birth” or “by birth”.

In a 2008 article published by the Michigan Law Review Lawrence Solum, Professor of Law at the University of Illinois, stated that “[t]here is general agreement on the core of [the] meaning [of the Presidential Eligibility Clause]. Anyone born on American soil whose parents are citizens of the United States is a ‘natural born citizen’”. In April 2010 Solum republished the same article as an online draft, in which he changed his opinion on the meaning of natural born citizen to include persons born in the United States of one American citizen parent. In a footnote he explained that “[b]ased on my reading of the historical sources, there is no credible case that a person born on American soil with one American parent was clearly not a ‘natural born citizen.’” He further extended natural born citizenship to all cases of jus soli as the “conventional view”.

TaxPayer

April 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm

Whatever it takes to get that clown out of the White House. i don’t care if he was born on Mars, he is the worst thing that has ever happened to my country.

Cool. That guy that owns Virgin airlines owns his own country too. What’s it like. Do you have naked women come over and surf with you too. I think that would be a cool thing to do.

GOP Monster

April 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm

Sorry to report we have not found the birth certificate. Yet.

As they so, how can you find something that does not exist! Did the “first coming” have a birth certificate? I think not!

getalife

April 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm

In the real world, Syria is firing upon protestors .

Libyans are chanting thank you America.

President Obama can add freedom for the ME to his long list of accomplishments.

Good little liberal

April 22nd, 2011
3:45 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

Another crisis d’jour. The sky is falling. Children are dying and democrats aren’t even killing them!! Old people will live in ditches. Please oh please Mr. Democrat. Save us!!! Please save us!!!

Considering the latest polls, I’m pretty sure that most of America has figured this out. Maybe not liberals, but then again . . .

Logical Dude

April 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm

meathead,
You go through a long post to cast doubt on the process of releasing the Hawaiian information from the State. That is all MEANINGLESS unless there is SOME EVIDENCE that Obama was not born in Hawaii. Do you have ANY EVIDENCE that Obama was not born in Hawaii?

Good little liberal

April 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm

RAxPayer

“What’s it like. ”

What’s it like? You think I am the guy that owns Virgin Airlines?

Joe Cool

April 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm

“I just hope for their sake, that you don’t have any children to further your poisoned, racist views.”

No AMVET,

Let hope she does have some and brings a Brown, Black, Hispanic man home to meet Momma. :-)

@@

April 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm

Let’s see, jay…it was Phillip J. Berg (D) who first questioned Obama’s citizenship status in 2008. Went so far as to file a suit declaring him ineligible to hold office. Orly’s “activism” didn’t take place until 2009.

The same Phillip Berg, in 2001, demanded the disbarment of several Supreme Court Justices claiming that they stole the election from Al Gore. There was his suit on behalf of a WTC worker…in that one he leveled accusations that 9/11 was perpetrated by the Bush Administration. Then there was the challenge he filed against George W. Bush for launching an unjust and illegal war without Congress’s approval.

How many on your team still make those claims today?

By the by…left-wingers have resurrected the claims that Trig Palin is not, I repeat NOT Sarah Palin’s son, but is, instead, Bristol Palin’s son.

timbo

April 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm

Can you imagine the offspring that Jay Bookman and Cynthia Tucker would produce?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm

little,, yes considering the polls…None of the Above is the Republican choice.

How funny.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

April 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm

AP But he is the “Unknown President” ………. the least known in our history.

B) But since Jay keeps bringing it up (he once said he would never bring it up again) let me set something straight again because, well ……… people do lie. A lot of folks say Obama has shown his birth certificate. He has not. He “has” shown his “Certification of Birth”. Regardless of the issue of where he was born (which was Hawaii), let’s get the facts straight.

1) “Certification of Live Birth” released by the Obama staff: http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg

2) “Certificate of Birth” issed by Donald Trump very similar to Hawaii’s document issued at that time.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/page?id=13248168

Jay: Would you like to debate further that Obama has released his “Certificate of Birth” ?

Good little liberal

April 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm

getalife

“In the real world, Syria is firing upon protestors”

Let mobs charge the White House and let’s see how Obama would react.

TaxPayer

April 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm

You think I am the guy that owns Virgin Airlines?

Is that what you took from my post. Whatever.

poison pen

April 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm

I don’t see what the flap is all about, Trump, who was a Dem for years and now a RINO doesn’t believe where Obama is born as do a few others. Jay, want’s everyone to believe that all Repubs believe that and the sad part about his blog is that all the Lib Lap Monkeys will dance to his tune, how sad!

We have thousands of laws on the books because someone is always trying to beat the system, so what is so horrible in one asking anybody to prove that they are a citizen of the USA, and I’m talking about future candidates.

stands for decibels

April 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm

Just wait until Jerome Corsi’s book comes out.

ooh. Does it feature “boy-bumping?”

Meathead

April 22nd, 2011
3:49 pm

Doggone/GA

Natural-born citizen
Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
· Anyone born inside the United States *
· Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
· Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
· Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
· Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
· Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
· Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
· A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

Reference:
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

Bose55

April 22nd, 2011
3:51 pm

Doggone

Sorry should have clarified. Its not the Constitution I was referring to.

“A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child’s birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be genetically related to the child to transmit U.S. citizenship. ”

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_5199.html

deegee

April 22nd, 2011
3:51 pm

I want a law that says that anyone that challenges the President on his birth certificate must first produce their own long form birth certificate. The certificate of live birth that everyone normally receives is not acceptable in order to challenge.

poison pen

April 22nd, 2011
3:51 pm

timbo

April 22nd, 2011
3:48 pm
Can you imagine the offspring that Jay Bookman and Cynthia Tucker would produce?

Timbo, no, they believe in abortion and would leagaly kill it.

Good little liberal

April 22nd, 2011
3:51 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

That’s true, we don’t have a viable candidate yet. Of course the clown that is supposed to be leading our country has been campaigning for two years and has already started raising money for his attempt in 2012.

The guy is one heck of a politician. World class. Puts his getting reelected above any of his responsibilities. I sort of think that we could use an actual leader instead of a world class liar, but hey, what do I know?

HDB

April 22nd, 2011
3:52 pm

Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
3:30 pm

From the last figures I was able to find (2003), 34,700,200 white people were on Medicare out of 41,126,380 in the population…which is 84.37%……I’m not saying that half of ALL white people are on Medicare…but of those who ARE, the preponderance are white…….

http://www.nasi.org/sites/default/files/research/McBean.pdf

timbo

April 22nd, 2011
3:53 pm

If you folks want to see the future of this country, go take a peek at the girl getting beat up at McDonalds. Next time my wife asks why I am carrying some heat when we go out (especially to the jungle that is ATL), I will show her that video. I wonder if that racist Eric Holder will consider this a hate crime? Thanks Obama for bringing your damn thugs to DC, and good job MSM for covering this.

Meathead

April 22nd, 2011
3:53 pm

Mr Logical Dude,

No sir, thus the request for the rant. How did HI validate Barry? Why was the paper work void? I think I mentioned earleir I think his biological father is Frank Marshall Davis, Commie and Womanizer. I think if that got before 2008 a) some peopel wouldn’t vote for the spawn of CUSA and it will not jive with the naraticve, farce, Dreams of My Father,ghost pen by W. Ayers. I think we are owed closure.

Good little liberal

April 22nd, 2011
3:54 pm

timbo

“Can you imagine the offspring that Jay Bookman and Cynthia Tucker would produce?”

I always learned that the preacher’s kids were the meanest kids in church so considering that, they would probably be the head of the GOP.

Dusty

April 22nd, 2011
3:54 pm

Whew…another loser blog.

Where is WOW? Still gone? He made things interesting!

Where’s JOSEF? Declined to participate in this silly subject?

Where’s @@? She’s interesting.

Where’s RW? Overcome by the dribble here.

Where’s Bookman? Digging up some out-dated music to go with this outlandish charade of rehashed propaganda …

Logical Dude

April 22nd, 2011
3:55 pm

Just wait until Jerome Corsi’s book comes out.

If it ACTUALLY has some PHYSICAL EVIDENCE about where Obama was born, then I may pay attention to it. If it’s only about “suspicions” and “mystery” about the document the State of Hawaii provided to Obama, then I am not interested.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 22nd, 2011
3:55 pm

Zero….and the line at the bottom “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding. {HRS 338-13(b), 338-19}” is all that matters. It meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship.

The tribe has spoken!

buzzn

April 22nd, 2011
3:55 pm

I like the birfer question. It provides an absolute litmus test that the birfers are idiots. Kind of like a big scarlet letter “I” on their chest. The Georgia house bill also showed which GOP legislators are gutless (the ones who removed their names from the bill) and which are opportunists (Hatfield and his ilk). Go birfers!

Gm

April 22nd, 2011
3:56 pm

Thulsa Doom

Where is my Money? the states are Ws, Ks, Iowa, Nebraska, Mt, In, Wy, Mn etc, go look it up, this is why iditots middle low class conservtives votes against their interest every time and the rich conservatives laugh at you dumb, dumb.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 22nd, 2011
3:56 pm

Doggone

Bose55 Was referring to Naturalization charts used to determine citizenship of children born abroad. Here’s the charts..

Natz #1: Born in wedlock abroad
http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/AFM/HTML/AFM/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-26573/0-0-0-33237.html

Natz #2: Born out of wedlock abroad
http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/AFM/HTML/AFM/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-26573/0-0-0-33254.html

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 22nd, 2011
3:57 pm

GLL: but hey, what do I know?

There are many who ask that same question about you on this blog daily ;)

Logical Dude

April 22nd, 2011
3:58 pm

Meathead says ” I think his biological father is Frank Marshall Davis, Commie and Womanizer. I think if that …”

Unfortunatetely, what you think only carries weight with you. I need physical evidence to convince me.

@@

April 22nd, 2011
3:58 pm

When I first listened to Barack Obama, I thought…He’s a promising fella.

Turns out I was right. Promises made and promises broken.

schnirt

On a brighter note, I do believe he was born in the U.S.

stands for decibels

April 22nd, 2011
3:58 pm

I think we are owed closure.

within some mental institution, perhaps.

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones

April 22nd, 2011
3:59 pm

The GOP is nothing but a bunch of IGNORANT RACISTS. “They brought this on themselves.”

Kamchak

April 22nd, 2011
4:01 pm

Joe

April 22nd, 2011
3:22 pm

Kamchak:

Google it….

I did, sport.

Those that originally claimed it was faked have had to walk it back because they proved that Robertson lied about it being faked.

Just like the birthers, you ask for evidence.

And just like the birthers you question whatever evidence that doesn’t fit your view.

Typical silly con.

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones

April 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm

The people who respect and believe in President Obama – WE DON’T GIVE A RATS A** WHAT PEOPLE SAY ABOUT OUR PRESIDENT. We are going to vote for him AGAINNNNNN!!!

GOP get over it!!!

Logical Dude

April 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm

People who live says “The GOP is nothing but a bunch of IGNORANT RACISTS. “They brought this on themselves.”

Now don’t go lumping ALL the GOP into the same boat. Alas, many of the GOP DID bring this on themselves when they didn’t nip it in the bud early on.

ragnar danneskjold

April 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm

“Stimulus” – the monster that ate the democrat party.

“ObamaCare” – the monster that ate the democrat party.

Meathead

April 22nd, 2011
4:04 pm

Mr Logical Dude,
Well, is Obama Sr is dad? If so, he can not be POTUS. How can Barry be validated by the state of HI if he is not constiutionally qualified? I don’t think it’s damming if his pop is FMD. good for him, I would like to think our POTUS is not a usurper of American law and a criminal. But clarity in establishing paternity and place of birth would be a good start on identy. I think.

USMC

April 22nd, 2011
4:05 pm

“You are the reason Obama is begging America to support education, another racist video”

GM, I think you confused me with someone else. I didn’t say anything “racist”.

Thanks

Tommy Maddox

April 22nd, 2011
4:05 pm

Gas tank – the monster that ate the democrat party;

Real unemployment – the monster that ate the democrat party.

Good little liberal

April 22nd, 2011
4:06 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

“There are many who ask that same question about you on this blog daily”

And I try to give them an answer every time. They seldom like the answer, They often launch into hysterics and name calling, but they almost never refute what I am saying. Of course the hysterics and name calling tells me that the truth has hit a nerve.

But to the point, I think the birther question is fantastic. It’s so much fun watching the same people that thought Bush went AWOL during his stint in the Air Guard think that people who would dare question the almighty clown are complete morons.

As I said, anything that will work to get that incompetent clown out of the White House.

Go Donald Go

April 22nd, 2011
4:07 pm

Who is this dusty person? Is she like the rex reed of this internet topic? Come work for me darling so I can utter my famous copyrighted phrase: You’re Fired!!!! Now go get a whopper, instead of telling them

Good little liberal

April 22nd, 2011
4:09 pm

WHAT PEOPLE SAY ABOUT OUR PRESIDENT. We are going to vote for him AGAINNNNNN!!!

Democrats blindly stumbling along, supporting their horrible clown, no matter how badly he has done and continues to do?

Say it ain’t so.

Dusty

April 22nd, 2011
4:09 pm

Well, Ragnar,

Good to see you here. The voice of reason has faded slowly into the sunset. Long gone it is! We needed to hear from you. A voice crying in the wilderness or something like that!!

Logical Dude

April 22nd, 2011
4:11 pm

Meathead: But clarity in establishing paternity and place of birth would be a good start on identy.

It shows on the document that Hawaii has provided. Barack Obama Senior is the father, and he was born in Hawaii.
Do you have any PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that shows that there is any other information that contradicts what is stated by the STATE OF HAWAII?

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

April 22nd, 2011
4:12 pm

I predict when all is said and done …… maybe years from now ………. the Obama presidency (not what he did in office but the fact that he was president) will turn out to be the biggest political scandal this country has ever known.

Arguements will be made as to whether his portrait should continue to hang in the White House as a legitimate, legal, Constitutional president.

You heard it here first folks !!!!

Meathead

April 22nd, 2011
4:12 pm

Mr Logical Dude,

To use a excert of a recetn post of your dudness, “If it’s only about “suspicions” and “mystery” about the document the State of Hawaii provided to Obama, then I am not interested.”

How abou the document the HI DNC supplied to Pelosi and the NDNC? What is the logic through that paradigm?

LOL

April 22nd, 2011
4:13 pm

Bookman, how you keep a job is beyond me. Yes there are Republicans who don’t believe that Obama is a US citizen. However that does not make it WRONG to require a Birth Certificate to get on a ballot. Jan Brewer vetoed the Arizona law because it overeached with the types of alternative ID and just who and how the alternatives would be approved. How any American citizen can be upset or laugh about requiring a Birth Certificate to get elected president is just nuts. You have to have a Birth Certificate to play youth sports, you used to have to have one to get a Driver’s License, or a Social Security card. Jay asking for the proof that you were a Natural Born Citizen of the United States so that you can run for President of the United States; is just a LITTLE more important than YOUTH SPORTS or DRIVER”S LICENSES you jerk.
Obama may not have started this craziness about his birth place, but neither has he put it to rest, and this White House is supposed to be the most TRANSPARENT in history; yeah right about as transparent as a Black-out curtain.

Good little liberal

April 22nd, 2011
4:14 pm

Logical Dude

But his birth certificate would clear everything up. Why do you think that he hasn’t produced it?

Go Donald Go

April 22nd, 2011
4:15 pm

**You heard it here first folks !!!!**

and probably the last

timbo

April 22nd, 2011
4:15 pm

The only block left that Obama has is the black vote, and it is eroding as well. The uninformed will continue to vote based on the color of his skin. That folks is the real truth. So, I guess that makes me a racist huh?

USMC

April 22nd, 2011
4:16 pm

Rest easy folks, these (loony Liberals) are the same people who cry racism over requiring a picture identification to cast a vote.

Nothing new here.

Logical Dude

April 22nd, 2011
4:18 pm

Meathead:

Those don’t matter since it’s the document that Hawaii provided to Obama that matters.

Since you keep deflecting the question on PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. I must assume that there is NO physical evidence that shows Obama was born anywhere else.

You keep asking questions, but I’m not the one making claims. YOU are the one to provide the proof. Since you make the claim that Obama was born somewhere else, I need you to support that claim.

Good little liberal

April 22nd, 2011
4:19 pm

timbo

On this blog if you say that darkness occurs at night, you are a racist. So don’t worry about it. Anyone who thinks that we should look at other options other than the clown in the White House will always be called a racist.

I just think it’s great that the people who support the Party of the Dixiecrats and the people who support the policies of Margaret Sanger are calling other people racists.

Meathead

April 22nd, 2011
4:20 pm

Mr. Logical Dude and everyone else, my bad on the abc’s, in a car typing as a passenger. Mr. Meathead is signing off on this handle now. It was fun logging into Bookman’s blog and bloviating. Bookman, you are a hysterical liberal, it both alternating amusing and concerning, but none-the-less, mush more substantial than the Ms. Tucker. Geez to Pete, that lady has issues with blanco.

Thanks for playing along Mr. Logical Dude.

ood bye

Good little liberal

April 22nd, 2011
4:20 pm

USMC

LOL!!

I forgot about that. Yes, requiring an ID is obviously racist

Logical Dude

April 22nd, 2011
4:20 pm

Good Little Liberal: But his birth certificate would clear everything up. Why do you think that he hasn’t produced it?

He provided the document that the State of Hawaii provided him, or ANYONE, that asks for that information. Hawaii produced the document, and OBAMA PRODUCED THAT DOCUMENT. Why won’t you believe what is on that document?

Good little liberal

April 22nd, 2011
4:21 pm

Meathead

oodbye to you. Enjoy your trip.

Dusty

April 22nd, 2011
4:22 pm

Go Donald Go 4:07

Do not leave your McDonald’s job. You are perfectly situated. If you are trying to Trump up something, forget it. Bookman has covered that effort ad nauseum.

Now be a good lil’lib and keep those fries & faulty fables cookin’.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 22nd, 2011
4:22 pm

Arguements will be made as to whether his portrait should continue to hang in the White House as a legitimate, legal, Constitutional president.

Only people arguing will be those who are not capable of comprehending the laws of the US. There’s two basic scenarios at play with his citizenship. Either he was born in the US or he was not.

Option 1: He was born in the US.

Jus Soli dictates he’s a US citizen based on being born on US soil. Case dismissed.

Option 2: He was born outside the US.

One has to look at the Immigration and Naturalization Act as it was in effect when he was born. People try to use the fact that Obama’s parents were married prior to his birth, which would mean that he was actually born IN wedlock. Sounds sensible, but it is wrong. Legally speaking, that marriage was null and void because Obama Sr had not divorced his wife that was back in Kenya. That would mean you would use Naturalization Chart #2 to determine his citizenship.
http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/AFM/HTML/AFM/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-26573/0-0-0-33254.html

Based on that knowledge, his mother only needs one year of presence in the US or a possession for Barack to be a US citizen at birth. Case closed.

Birtherism = nonsense when US law is applied to it.

Good little liberal

April 22nd, 2011
4:27 pm

Logical Dude

Sorry. There’s no state seal on the document that was released. THat’s a biggie.

Logical Dude

April 22nd, 2011
4:28 pm

SoCo: Legally speaking, that marriage was null and void

But what about logically speaking? :)

Logical Dude

April 22nd, 2011
4:29 pm

Good little liberal: There’s no state seal on the document that was released.

But the one I saw HAD the seal on the document. (alas, I only saw the online version). Did you see the actual version that was produced, or are you going by what someone else said?
(I looked at Fact-check.org)

Good little liberal

April 22nd, 2011
4:30 pm

SoCo

So you are saying that the people who call Obama a Bas . . . d are correct?

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 22nd, 2011
4:30 pm

But what about logically speaking?

Since you were here, I didn’t want to step into your area of expertise!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dusty

April 22nd, 2011
4:30 pm

SoCo 4:22

I hear you. But Bookman knew all that before he threw this out for a dog fight. Could it be…oh no no…this is a propaganda fight and nothing more????? Nawww….he wouldn’t do that, would he?