Birtherism: The monster that ate the GOP
Top Republican leaders have begun a belated effort to squash the birther theory that threatens to define their party as a bunch of lunatics, at least among those many Americans who don’t share the obsessions of the GOP base.
But I have no sympathy, because they brought this on themselves.
As far back as the 2008 campaign, the core of the Republican marketing strategy has been to discredit Barack Obama by depicting him as the much-feared “other” — an unAmerican, even anti-American, Muslim, anti-colonial socialist Kenyan, etc. The notion never really penetrated the general population, but among much of the GOP base it has grown into an article of faith, as much a sign of Republican fealty as a no-tax pledge and the adoration of Ronald Reagan. From its humble beginnings in the fertile imaginations of Orly Taitz and others, it has become the GOP’s Frankenstein, a monstrous creation that they no longer control and in fact now fear.
It has, for example, given them a nightmare called Donald Trump, who has used the birther issue to rise to near-frontrunner status among potential GOP presidential candidates. But remember, Trump did not create that sentiment; opportunist that he is, he merely tapped into what was already there. In fact, by saying outright what other GOP candidates had been coyly suggesting or hinting at, he kind of gave the game away. He made explicit what the party establishment had tried to keep implicit, and by doing so forced them to finally confront it.
But it may be too late. Just this week, a New York Times poll found that 45 percent of Republican voters profess to believe that Obama was born elsewhere; only 33 percent would admit the truth, that he was born in Hawaii. (A Fox News poll earlier this month showed similar numbers).
In Arizona, the arch-conservative governor, Jan Brewer, was forced to veto a bill this week that would have required Obama to produce his “long-form” birth certificate to get on that state’s ballot in 2012. The bill had passed the Arizona House 40-18 and the Senate 20-9.
In Louisiana, Gov. Bobby Jindal has announced he will sign such a bill if it reaches his desk. Oklahoma is about to pass such a law as well.
And here in Georgia, of course, state Rep. Mark Hatfield initially enlisted a majority of his House colleagues to sign on as cosponsors of a birther bill until saner heads prevailed. But Hatfield hasn’t given up:
“If one state passes, and the Obama administration basically ignores the requirement and does not qualify for the ballot in that state, that would send a very strong signal that we have a situation in the United States where someone who is not eligible is occupying the White House,” the Waycross Republican said this week, noting that “other states, including Georgia, have a duty to step up.” Such legislation is guaranteed to keep the issue in the political spotlight.
The point man for the GOP establishment’s effort to repudiate its illegitimate offspring has been Karl Rove, which itself is telling. Rove doesn’t have to run for anything, and he risks nothing with his unequivocal repudiation of birtherism. But party figures, including presidential hopefuls, who are dependent on the GOP base for votes don’t dare to be so blunt about the ridiculous nature of the charge.
Rove, in fact, has even tried to suggest that the whole thing is some plot against the GOP concocted by the White House, which would be very cool if true. Alas, it is not. Others on the right have demanded that the president save them from themselves by doing something, anything, that would end the debate. But why? If your opposition is self-destructing, why on earth would you come to their rescue?
Besides, nothing Obama could say or do would end this thing, as political scientist David Redlawsk of Rutgers University explains:
“The reality is that “facts” are unlikely to mean much to those who believe in their gut that Obama is not American. Political psychologists call this “motivated reasoning.” It goes something like this: I dislike someone; I learn something positive that should make me feel better about him; instead, I dislike him as much or even more. This is clearly irrational, but our feelings about people are complicated, and we tend to hold on to them even in the face of contradictory information. This is not unique to those who dislike Obama.
We are all somewhat impervious to new information, preferring the beliefs in which we are already invested. We often ignore new contradictory information, actively argue against it or discount its source, all in an effort to maintain existing evaluations. Reasoning away contradictions this way is psychologically easier than revising our feelings. In this sense, our emotions color how we perceive “facts.”….
In the case of President Obama, people who already dislike him at a gut level have little motivation to revise their beliefs, whether about his place of birth or, as we have found in other research, the persisting belief that he is Muslim. It’s not the evidence that matters. Feelings come first, and evidence is used mostly in service of those feelings. Evidence that supports what is already believed is accepted, that which contradicts it is not.
So the smart bet is that the birthplace issue, the Muslim issue, and any other ways in which Obama can be portrayed as outside the mainstream are not going away. And no amount of data to the contrary will change that for some people. The simple reality is people feel before they think. And when those feelings are strong enough, facts take a back seat.”
Having created a political movement around such “motivated reasoning” in which emotion substitutes for fact, the masterminds of the GOP now have to deal with its consequences.
It’s downright entertaining, don’t you think?
-- Jay Bookman
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Fix-It
April 22nd, 2011
2:47 pm
Why not shut up both sides and just show the document, then how about school transcripts, why did he seal them?
Joe
April 22nd, 2011
2:47 pm
Raising the birth certificate issue is another example of dems being dishonest. Remember these are the same people that call Tea Partiers raciest with no evidence. These are the same people that blame Bush for having a bad hair day while touting the Clintoon years as wonderful even though Republicans controlled Congress. Dems refuse to talk about real issues that they simply have no answer for. I ask folks this. Have you been better off under Bush or Obama? If you say the latter you’re either naïve or stupid…..
TaxPayer
April 22nd, 2011
2:47 pm
Although Goldman Sachs currently reigns a king of Wall Street, this was not the case in 2008 when the financial industry stood on the brink of collapse. In the midst of the credit crisis, as Lehman was collapsing and Merrill Lynch was going through an emergency takeover, Goldman Sachs sought help from Warren Buffett.
Given his positive outlook for the U.S., Oracle of Omaha was willing to step in and provide Goldman with a $5 billion fund to save the firm from ruin. The deal came with conditions. In return for the funding, Buffett received preferred shares promising a 10% annual dividend, and warrants to purchase $5 billion worth of Goldman common stock at $115 per share.
What was that about liberal billionaires…
… versus the ones that proclaim to do God’s work.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:48 pm
Joe…..“Not a good day to be playing the race card given that given the brutality of that attack at McDonald’s today- it was horrifying.”
What are you talking about?
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:49 pm
“Harry
Just saw your 2:40
That’s the ‘who’ but not the ‘how.’
Steeply progressive income tax rates don’t punish people who already have wealth. Rather, they leave currently working people with only enough to live on, and not enough to invest in wealth creation. Ergo, if you haven’t already accumulated wealth, you likely never will.
High taxes also stifle business investment and job creation. I know you don’t believe that, but, like the law of gravity, the laws of economics exist independantly of your ability tp understand and/or believe.
Joe Cool
April 22nd, 2011
2:49 pm
“Hey guys….who is John McCain???”
The guy who lost to the Muslin, Kenyan, Indonesian, Marxist, Illegal Alien.
LOL
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:49 pm
Joe….waiting?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:50 pm
Joe….OH I GET IT….so it was John McCain that used the name Barry Soetoro and said he was a foreign student…..I get it now.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:50 pm
“So you are saying that under the Obama administration we have not had any new millionaires? And will not have any more millionaires?”
Where did I say that again? Pretty sure I did not…
Obama has not changed tax policy, but has stated his intention to steeply penalize high income earners.
Again, try to keep up. I know it’s hard, but this is an adult forum.
Joe
April 22nd, 2011
2:50 pm
Fix-it:
He’ll never show his transcripts because it would shed light on how stupid he was. You know how liberals tout how brillant he is. If it comes to light his GPA was less than thrilling it would make those liberal pundits look bad…..
Libertarian
April 22nd, 2011
2:51 pm
Thulsa
It is sad, indeed (the video). You can hear the men at the end telling the girls they better leave because the police are coming. I don’t understand how all those people (grown men) can stand around and watch that happen.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
2:51 pm
Harry
“You never did answer if you thought Obama was born in the US, or is a US citizen. ”
I guess you were unwilling or unable to read my post @ 2:15.”
All you said at 2:15 was that you doubted Hawaii is his place of birth. “Hiding something” doesn’t add anything to whether or not you think he’s a citizen.
Does “I doubt Hawaii” equate to “I doubt he’s an American citizen?”
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
2:51 pm
Typical Obama supporter:
Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg98BvqUvCc
Joe
April 22nd, 2011
2:51 pm
An example of how the left plays is me playing the race card. Go back to bed….
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:52 pm
USMC…..I think that is GM….hilarious isnt it!
Joe Cool
April 22nd, 2011
2:52 pm
“Hey guys….who is UGA1999???”
The guy who cant believe theres Muslin, Kenyan, Indonesian, Marxist, Illegal Alien in the White House.
LOL
Bruno
April 22nd, 2011
2:52 pm
Jay–What a wonderful education you have provided this week. Now I realize what dishonest, ugly, evil people the Republicans are.
At any rate, kicking off FNM with USinUK in mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkRx3NZ-qp4
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
2:53 pm
Joe Cool,
I dunno. That girl convulsing on the McDonald’s floor was pretty bad. The difference between that and the neo-nazi is that the neo-nazi planting bomb happens extremely rarely. Assaults like the McDonalds assault happen just about every day. Don’t believe me? How about the MARTA assault by 12-20 teenagers yesterday? Do you really want to start looking up interracial crimes like murder, rape, assault? You don’t want to go there son.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
2:53 pm
Harry 2:49
Thanks for the answer.
You are kind of correct on what I think. I’ve not addressed the ’steeply progressive” tax thing. I do not think a point or two on top of the current marginal rate is anything to disincentivize people.
Fix-It
April 22nd, 2011
2:53 pm
HDB, did you forget your antipsychotic drugs again? EVERY CANDIDATE HAS BEEN VETTED EXCEPT ONE OBOZO, why is that HDB, and if you don’t know what vetted is look it up, but just in case you don’t, part vetting includes your birth certificate and school records…Neither of which Obozo has shown, better yet he had then sealed, why is that HDB?
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
2:53 pm
“Joe…..“Not a good day to be playing the race card given that given the brutality of that attack at McDonald’s today- it was horrifying.” What are you talking about?”
Here, just in case you missed this horrific HATE CRIME:
‘She’s bleeding you…:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec0_1303444048
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:53 pm
Joe….we actually agree on your last post. Great job finally posting something of truth.
HDB
April 22nd, 2011
2:54 pm
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:38 pm
I didn’t play the race card…the birthers did…the GOP did……I’m calling it as I see it!!
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:42 pm
Please name me one President/Presidential candidate PRIOR to President Obama that has been challenged on his citizenship…….
Please name me one President/Presidential candidate PRIOR to President Obama that was a minority and has made it this far in the process……
Please name me one President/Presidential candidate PRIOR to President Obama that has been requested to show his birth certificate…or has had laws PASSED to challenge his citizenship……..
Since the answer is NONE, please indicate as to what ELSE could be made evident for such behavior SAVE the President’s race….since heretofore, this has not been done!!!
Note: the GOP’s treatment of Michael Steele as Chairman of the GOP speaks volumes as to the breath of what birthers are all about………..
Fix-It
April 22nd, 2011
2:54 pm
So true, Joe…
boots
April 22nd, 2011
2:54 pm
Bookman, will you read the Corsi book (#1 on Amazon) or just dismiss it out of hand? Do FACTS play any role in this discussion, or do you just chose to label people and make ad hominem attacks?
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
April 22nd, 2011
2:54 pm
Well, I’m not a birther. I beleive Kenyans that live in America have as many rights as good White folks. I just have a problem with one being President of the U.S. of A.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:55 pm
Thulsa,,,,it was two black girls that attacked the white girl. It is the white girl that is convulsing on the floor. It was back employees of McDonalds that just stood and watched.
Add another white millionaire to our society. CHA CHING!
Libertarian
April 22nd, 2011
2:55 pm
Joe Cool
Both are terrible. Thankfully no one was hurt in the b_mb plot.
(After all this talk about being followed and having my info traced by google, I’m afraid to type the word b_mb
)
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
2:55 pm
USMC,
Man that was hilarious. Obama supporter Peggy Joseph saying she would no longer have to pay for gas in her car or pay for her mortgage now that Obama had been elected. I wonder what she’s thinking today as gas hits another high. Too funny!
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
2:55 pm
Maybe Obama does have lots of experience.
Heck the guy has been to 57 states and plans to visit even more states in the future…
Obama Claims He’s Visited 57 States:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
Joe
April 22nd, 2011
2:56 pm
Absolutely. The left concocts racism whenever they see fit. But they can spew vitriol whenever they like and the so called msm ignores it all day…
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
2:56 pm
Didn’t Obama say in his speech yesterday that coal causes asthma?
Fix-It
April 22nd, 2011
2:56 pm
HDB
“Please name me one President/Presidential candidate PRIOR to President Obama that has been challenged on his citizenship…….”
Do you know why… because they ALL showed the proper documentation, and did NOT have their re cords sealed…
How ignorant can one person be?
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:56 pm
“All you said at 2:15 was that you doubted Hawaii is his place of birth. ”
No, I said (or iintended to say) that what I doubted he was trying to hide was his place of birth.
That still sounds awkward…let’s try again…
I think he is hiding something, but I don’t think his place of birth is what he is trying to hide.
Joe Cool
April 22nd, 2011
2:56 pm
“The difference between that and the neo-nazi is that the neo-nazi planting bomb happens extremely rarely.”
Really, they’re on the lookout for another one you Tbagg3rs in Colombine as of yesterday.
Fix-It
April 22nd, 2011
2:56 pm
records
Libertarian
April 22nd, 2011
2:57 pm
“Tbagg3rs”
How old are you?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:57 pm
Please name me one President/Presidential candidate PRIOR to President Obama that has been challenged on his citizenship…….THERE WAS NEVER A NEED TO.
Please name me one President/Presidential candidate PRIOR to President Obama that was a minority and has made it this far in the process……Alan Keyes, Jesse Jackson, Shirley Chrishom
Please name me one President/Presidential candidate PRIOR to President Obama that has been requested to show his birth certificate…or has had laws PASSED to challenge his citizenship……..THERE WAS NEVER A NEED.
Since the answer is NONE, please indicate as to what ELSE could be made evident for such behavior SAVE the President’s race….since heretofore, this has not been done!!!
Note: the GOP’s treatment of Michael Steele as Chairman of the GOP speaks volumes as to the breath of what birthers are all about………..Steele was a joke!
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
2:58 pm
More lying from Obama. I believe he also said in that speech yesterday that Republicans don’t want to invest in infrastructure and he referenced the Minnesota bridge collapse.
WRONG WRONG WRONG. It has been quite well established that the bridge fell because of a design flaw- it had nothing to do with decay. What an idiot.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
2:58 pm
Fix-it…..NO KIDDING….he is a joke!.
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
2:58 pm
Who is Barry Soetoro, you ask?
Obama Lies 7 Times In Under 2 Minutes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfu1_Scgyow
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
2:58 pm
Harry
Harry
“So you are saying that under the Obama administration we have not had any new millionaires? And will not have any more millionaires?”
Where did I say that again? Pretty sure I did not…”
“millionaires’ was my interpretation of “, in a socialist economy, those who have not already accumulated wealth will never again have a chance to accumulate wealth.”
You said those who haven’t accumulated wealth will not be able to. Ever. Altho I interpret ‘accumulate wealth’ to be north of 7 figures, if it’s less, the point still stands.
“Obama has not changed tax policy, but has stated his intention to steeply penalize high income earners.”
Again, I don’t consider a couple points on the top marginal rate to be a steep penalty. A minor irritation for some, maybe, but not a steep penalty.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
2:59 pm
“Obama supporter Peggy Joseph saying she would no longer have to pay for gas in her car or pay for her mortgage now that Obama had been elected.’
Paul, see above…the Obama supporters who celebrated his election the longest and the loudest are the ones most screwed by his policies.
I’m pretty sure the top 3% of wage earners don’t have mortgages, and have little trouble paying for gas.
Kamchak
April 22nd, 2011
2:59 pm
Remember these are the same people that call Tea Partiers raciest[sic] with no evidence.
I wouldn’t call all tea partiers racist, but Dale Robertson, “President and Founder of the Tea Party – TeaParty.org,” certainly provided evidence with his home-made sign in this photo.
http://washingtonindependent.com/73036/n-word-sign-dogs-would-be-tea-party-leader
retiredds
April 22nd, 2011
2:59 pm
The Republicans have nothing else to offer besides the birther quackery. Since they can’t come up with real solutions to the many problems facing the American public they spout stinky garbage. The most interesting thing is, so many Republican voters actually believe this stuff.
boots
April 22nd, 2011
2:59 pm
HDB: Wow. Your post is very off-base and reflects a huge set of assumptions on your part. Regarding Chairman Steele, he was ELECTED by the REPUBLICANS in the first place. He was not “mis-treated,” he just did not win re-election, mostly due to loses that occurred during his term. It was not ever a racial issue, so don’t make it one. Regarding the questions about Obama, there have been questions before about where certain people were born, but you would have to be a student of history to accept this. (Look up Hamilton.) Besides, Obama is the first where serious issues have been raised, and with good reason – he grew up outside the US, one of his parents was not American, and there are serious documentation issues in the US, Phillipines and Kenya that cast a big doubt on the location of his birth. Sorry, but it is true. Forgive me for even asking the question.
Joe
April 22nd, 2011
3:00 pm
HDB:
McCain’s citizenship was questioned on the floor of Congress because he was born in Panama… Don’t ask me for links either genius. Google it yourself….
Cha Ching…..
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
3:00 pm
Just like the car commercials where the buyer replies, “Just show me the CarFax” we’d all like to see the birth certificate.
DEALER: ok, let’s go to carfax.com—enter the VIN—send to the printer…here ya go! Easy as that!
CUSTOMER: but I wanna see the LONNNNNG form!
DEALER: This is the form. It’s validated by Carfax.
CUSTOMER: WHAT ARE YOU HIDING? I DEMAND to KNOW!
AmVet
April 22nd, 2011
3:00 pm
Rock on B.
That entire LP, Face Dancessmokes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHT8v9bw4Nk&feature=related
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
3:01 pm
Joe Cool,
And so how many of these racist bombers have there been since Tim McVeigh 10 years ago? And as for the Columbine bomber you know neither his politics nor his motivation? Um. Nope. Kinda like when you fools jumped to conclusions and thought the crazy dude who shot the Arizona Congresswoman was a teabaggr. And the teabaggr comment- grow up dude.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
3:01 pm
“Again, I don’t consider a couple points on the top marginal rate to be a steep penalty. A minor irritation for some, maybe, but not a steep penalty.”
When they stop investing in and/or expanding businesses, and job creation is stifled, you’ll see the results.
Corey
April 22nd, 2011
3:01 pm
The top-secret world the government created in response to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, has become so large, so unwieldy and so secretive that no one knows how much money it costs, how many people it employs, how many programs exist within it or exactly how many agencies do the same work.
These are some of the findings of a two-year investigation by The Washington Post that discovered what amounts to an alternative geography of the United States, a Top Secret America hidden from public view and lacking in thorough oversight. After nine years of unprecedented spending and growth, the result is that the system put in place to keep the United States safe is so massive that its effectiveness is impossible to determine.
The investigation’s other findings include:
* Some 1,271 government organizations and 1,931 private companies work on programs related to counterterrorism, homeland security and intelligence in about 10,000 locations across the United States.
* An estimated 854,000 people, nearly 1.5 times as many people as live in Washington, D.C., hold top-secret security clearances.
* In Washington and the surrounding area, 33 building complexes for top-secret intelligence work are under construction or have been built since September 2001. Together they occupy the equivalent of almost three Pentagons or 22 U.S. Capitol buildings – about 17 million square feet of space.
* Many security and intelligence agencies do the same work, creating redundancy and waste. For example, 51 federal organizations and military commands, operating in 15 U.S. cities, track the flow of money to and from terrorist networks.
Created by the same hypocrites who cry about the growth of government when the opposition party is in the White House. Frighten Americans to the point of spending the nation into oblivion and then get the Too Much Government Spending On the Less Fortunate religion. I think I’ll puke.
Meathead
April 22nd, 2011
3:01 pm
A nation-wide network of researchers has sprung up to attempt to fill in the blanks, but at every opportunity Obama’s high-priced lawyers have built walls around various records or simply made them disappear. It is estimated that Obama’s legal team has now spent well over $1.4 million dollars blocking access to documents every American should have access to. The question is why would he spend so much money to do this?
The president who campaigned for a more “open government” and “full disclosure” will not unseal his medical records, his school records, his birth records or his passport records. He will not release his Harvard records, his Columbia College records, or his Occidental College records—he will not even release his Columbia College thesis. All his legislative records from the Illinois State Senate are missing and he claims his scheduling records during those State Senate years are lost as well. In addition, no one can find his school records for the elite K-12 college prep school, Punahou School, he attended in Hawaii.
What is he hiding? Well, for starters, some of these records will shed light on his citizenship and birth. Why can’t Mr. Soreto share this information? I think his father is Frank Marshal Davis. If his father his Mr. Obama, then Mr. President is not constitutionally qualified to be POTUS.
For example, Obama’s application to Punahou School – now mysteriously missing – would likely contain a birth certificate. His Occidental College records are important as they may show he attended there as a foreign exchange student.” Indeed, Obama used his Indonesian name “Barry Soetoro” while attending Occidental.
Furthermore, now that at least three document authentication experts have declared the scanned “Certificate of Live Birth” Obama’s campaign team gave to a pro-Obama website to be an obvious phony; we know that he is hiding something here as well.
Mole or Manchurian; you know, it may well be that he was born in Hawaii as he claims, and that his US citizenship was never revoked when he was adopted by his mother’s 2nd husband as he claims, and that he never lied on an application to school or the Illinois Bar as he claims, and that he never applied for grants to school as a foreigner as he claims… but it would be nice to be able to verify whether these claims were true.
For someone who got into office on claims that he’d operate the “most transparent administration ever,” he’s sure making the old KGB look as leak-proof as a submarine with screen doors. Such a professional operation, sealing and/or altering all of those records…how could little old Barry have done that himself, the same guy who can’t even break 37 bowling? He’s got all the coordination of a drunken rhino trying to tap dance, yet he altered documents that well himself? Nope, I don’t think so.
The importance for the American people to seize responsibility and proactively protect the sovereignty of their blood-ransomed, Constitutional freedom is paramount to American Exceptionalism and America. Sometimes, in order to accomplish this, we must vigorously deny access to those with plural, or ambiguous, allegiances. Otherwise, we should resign ourselves to the idea that our value as the last hope for humanity can never be defended or preserved.
Who’s your daddy, Mr. Soreto? If it is Mr. Obama, the senior, your are not constitutionally qualified, with all due respect as a guest lecture, non tenure- rack, non ad-junct constitutional law blowhard. I think we all deserve to know we are rooting for. I whish Brian Shatz would explain himself. That is another rant when I am home from work and opine on this blog. I hope we all don’t need a permit for 1st amendment as we do our 2nd in the near future, again, another rant for another day.
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HDB
April 22nd, 2011
3:01 pm
Fix-It
April 22nd, 2011
2:53 pm
EVERY CANDIDATE HAS BEEN VETTED…….
There….fixed your statement!!
The State of Hawai’i has verified his birth certificate; academic verification has occurred…so what’s the beef here?? As I’ve stated…a dual standard occurs here!!!
Note what I’ve stated: No candidate PRIOR to Obama has been CHALLENGED on his citizenship or credentials!!!
Joe Cool
April 22nd, 2011
3:01 pm
“Joe….we actually agree on your last post. Great job finally posting something of truth.”
GREAT!!! You will also agree that the Muslin, Kenyan, Indonesian, Marxist, Illegal Alien is smarter than the WHOLE GOP right? Im just saying, because you’d have to be in order for a lil Muslim, Kenyan, Indonesian, Marxist, Illegal Alien from Hawaii to be President right?
A simple si or no will work.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
3:02 pm
Stands for….you wouldnt buy a car without carfax….but you will elect a president because he is black and has virtually no record of his past or childhood.
SO LONG Barry you will not be missed.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
3:02 pm
Harry 2:56
“I think he is hiding something, but I don’t think his place of birth is what he is trying to hide.”
Thanks, I understand that clarification.
But I believe the question pose by one or two earlier (who have evidently dropped out) was whether or not you believe Pres Obama is an American citizen.
I think I understood you to say earlier you are not sure. Is that correct?
WestSiderATL
April 22nd, 2011
3:02 pm
Wow Jay…where’s all the blog posts on the “lunatic fringe” of the Democrat party…you know the one’s who believe 9/11 was some kind of conspiracy? “Truthers” aren’t they known as? Even some of Obama’s cabinet hold this ummm…belief.
I guess a mirror is something you have never thought much about looking into???
This issue will not come close to derailing anything…although I guess you think that too would be…cool?
If Obama can’t turn things around fast, nothing will save his presidency.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
3:02 pm
Joe….based on his GPA while in school. I would have to disagree with you there.
Joe
April 22nd, 2011
3:03 pm
Kamchak:
Man are you people loopy. That sign was a fake…. No one in their right mind would hold up a sign like that and you know it. It was proven fake. Why was it the only pic?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
3:03 pm
This is EXACTLY why the black race will never succeed in any country. They only vote based on race or what they feel it will get them rather than what makes the country better or stronger. Keep up the good work it is great entertainment for us all.
BRW
April 22nd, 2011
3:03 pm
Any time I hire someone from now on I’ll check their resume. If it says graduated in 1999 I’ll just skip it because I’ll know it’s a fraud. What an embarassment to the state U.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
3:04 pm
Joe…..they are all Liars and Kamchak is their leader.
I have not seen one truthful, intelligent or thought out post today from anyone on the left.
Great job!! 2012 is going to be EASY!
Trumper Thumper
April 22nd, 2011
3:04 pm
That Donald’s hair is not real. I want to see some roots. If he is unwilling to grab a handful on live TV and yank it out to prove that it is real then I’m not buying it. He’s Fired!
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
3:06 pm
BRW…I dont need to apply for jobs…I own three companies.
The fact that you wuould be looking at resumes is a joke. We know McDonalds does not take resumes!! hahah
Joe
April 22nd, 2011
3:06 pm
Joe Cool:
As miserable Obama has done is President why would I agree he’s even somewhat intelligent. His handlers like Axelrod and Emanuel certainly knew how to run a campaign but it’s been a terribly different story running the country…..
buck@gon
April 22nd, 2011
3:06 pm
BPMPD @ 1:51
This sounds like fun! How about:
Democrat-demanded entitlement spending: the monster that ate the US government.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
3:07 pm
Ok guys….enjoy your weekend.
Dems have fun staying broke and sucking on that government nipple. HAHAHA
We have them eating out of our hands!
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
3:08 pm
“The Republicans have nothing else to offer besides the birther quackery. Since they can’t come up with real solutions to the many problems facing the American public they spout stinky garbage. The most interesting thing is, so many Republican voters actually believe this stuff.”
On the contrary my dear Watson, Obama will not get re-elected to a second term because of his lack of ability and misguided socialist mentality.
The Republicans have plenty of solutions; Paul Ryan’s plan for starters.
Bruno
April 22nd, 2011
3:08 pm
AmVet–Catch you later tonight for FNM.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
3:08 pm
Harry
“I’m pretty sure the top 3% of wage earners don’t have mortgages,”
I’ve mentioned before I live in a pretty affluent area (altho I make the point that does not imply anything about my situation). Jay did a piece on Google maps and foreclosures. I check an enclave a couple miles from where I live. Those house prices equate to top 3%. Easy. Half a dozen foreclosures.
I’ve seen just as many cases of poor money management among that tier as among a middle income or lower income tier. In fact, I’ve seen a number of instances of lower relative debt amongst households with much, much, much lower incomes than the top 3%.
Joe
April 22nd, 2011
3:09 pm
With the atrocious levels of leadership Tucker and Bookman have I honestly believe they are the only ones from the left on here. As administrator they can log on under multiple names and post as much as they want. The left has ceased to have a real voice in this country finally. No one takes them seriously anymore…..
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
3:09 pm
This is EXACTLY why the black race will never succeed in any country. They only vote based on race or what they feel it will get them rather than what makes the country better or stronger.
Jay, how much longer is this thing going to be here?
Kamchak
April 22nd, 2011
3:10 pm
Man are you people loopy. That sign was a fake…
Because you say so?
No one in their right mind would hold up a sign like that and you know it.
Where did I assert that Dale Robertson was in his right mind?
It was proven fake.
By whom?
Clinton, Bush, Rove, CIA
April 22nd, 2011
3:10 pm
none of these people could prove that Obama was not eligible to be president. He beat them all during the elections, yet they have access to armies of investigators. GWB used to RUN THE CIA. Don’t you think he could’ve dug up something here if it existed? Bill Clinton was the freakin POTUS. Don’t you think he could’ve dug up something here if it existed?
there’s no way in heck that Obama beats the two most powerful families on earth in back to back elections if this birth certificate issue is legit. No way.
Joe Cool
April 22nd, 2011
3:10 pm
“(After all this talk about being followed and having my info traced by google, I’m afraid to type the word b_mb )”
TRUST Me, i understand…..either way, if they want to listen or find you they will.
TRUE Story:
Got a letter in the mail from the Dept of Justice. Was curious as to what it was about and come to find out it was from the F.B.! here in Atlanta. They sent me a letter to tell me they had tapped my cell phone 8 months prior due to whatever investigation they were working.
I thought to myself, “well isnt that nice of them to send me a letter”…LOL
Come to find out it was because I had contact with someone they had a big case against due to my business. I guess they realized that they was nothing worth listen to on my end and sent me a FYI, courtesy letter after they had indicted the person in question.
As i said before, if they want to find you, they will.
Johnny Wise N Meullers All Wheat Pasta
April 22nd, 2011
3:11 pm
Jane good. Jane no need long form. I still yell about it though because it get rid of flegm.
timbo
April 22nd, 2011
3:11 pm
What he supplied was a certificate of live birth, not a birth certificate. That wouldn’t even get him registered in a little league park. If that worthless POS wants to end the speculation, provide a real birth certificate and it ends right there. By not providing one means he was either not born in the US, or he wants to keep up this debate so folks will not discuss what a horrible job he has done as president. I ask you ObamaBots again…..name one positive thing he has done FOR the country, not AGAINST the country.
Joe Cool
April 22nd, 2011
3:13 pm
“How old are you?”
Old enough to make sure when i type my post dont get stuck in moderation.
steve
April 22nd, 2011
3:13 pm
Its the liberal press that keeps this story alive. No mainstream Republican politician or candidate for President believes the birther theory. Yet any time a Republican goes on MSNBC, CNN or the major three networks the first question they get asked is ” Do you believe Barack Obama was born in this country?” Listen folks, there are literally 10 million reasons to vote against Obama in 2012… this birther nonsense is just a distraction.
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
3:15 pm
USMC,
Wow. Sure enough that video was right- 7 absolute provable lies in that one video straight from Obama. Throw in his lie about closing gitmo, his lie about the Minnesota bridge collapsing because Repubs didn’t want to fund infrastructure repair, his lie that coal causes asthma, hell that’s 10 lies right there that are flat out proven. I’ll take it easy on him when he said Austrians speak Austrian. That wasn’t a lie. That was just stupid.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
3:18 pm
“I’m pretty sure the top 3% of wage earners don’t have mortgages,”
>$150K/yr household income puts you in the 3% category.
if you think they don’t have mortgages, you’re more barmy than I would’ve imagined.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
3:18 pm
sfd
Just long enough to protest someone accused them of racism?
And then complaining because all the fainting couches were taken?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
3:19 pm
CLAIM: Obama Blamed The “Budget Holdout For The Collapse Of The Minneapolis Bridge.” During the April 20 broadcast of Fox News’ Fox & Friends, co-host Gretchen Carlson stated: “Should we cut a deal with the Dems, or another bridge could collapse. That was the president’s message yesterday, blaming budget holdout for the collapse of the Minneapolis bridge in 2007.” [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 4/20/11]
FACT: Obama Cited Bridge Collapse To Illustrate U.S. Infrastructure Issues. From the president’s April 19 speech in Annandale, VA:
OBAMA: According to the Republican budget that was passed, for example, we would have to eliminate transportation funding by a third. We’d have to cut transporting funding by a third. You remember when that bridge in Minnesota collapsed with all those people on it? And there was a big hue and cry: How can this happen in America? Well, the National Society of Engineers, they’ve looked around and they give us a D when it comes to infrastructure. Our roads, our bridges, our sewer systems are all deteriorating.
We don’t even have a serious high-speed rail infrastructure in this country. Our broadband lines are slower than places like South Korea. Well, so what, we cut transportation by another third, and what’s going to happen to America? We’re just going to have potholes everywhere? (Laughter.) We’re just going to have bridges collapsing everywhere? Are we going to continue to have airports that are substandard? Are we going to go to other countries and suddenly realize that China and South Korea and all of Europe all have better infrastructure than we do, and we think that businesses are going to come here and invest? Or do we think that at some point companies say, you know what, America has got a second-rate infrastructure and it costs us too much money because our trucks going over those potholes are getting messed up?
So that’s the choice that we’re going to have to make. [WhiteHouse.gov, 4/19/11]
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Doom and USMC…your buffoonery is easily disproven.
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
3:19 pm
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
3:03 pm
This is EXACTLY why the black race will never succeed in any country.
UGA 1999,
Be careful what you say! You may end up getting ganged up on at a McDonalds or a MARTA and get beaten to the point of seizures while the employees or other people stand around and just watch or videotape it. Be careful out there.
Meathead
April 22nd, 2011
3:19 pm
Theory:
1. Left knows Barry is done for and want him out of the way in 2012;
2. Hillary ‘retires’ next year — setting up her run in 2012.
3. Trump has given 90% of the time to Dems.
4. Trump has high profile.
5. Trump, with instructions for the Clinton gang, bring up this issue.
6. Trump has no intention of running but they need Barry out of the way so he’s playing along; they’ll owe him later.
Barry will make more than 1.7 million in 2013 and pay less than the 450kin taxes becuase he is now “super rich” . The spread the wealth, Barry!
Johnny Wise N Meullers All Wheat Pasta
April 22nd, 2011
3:19 pm
Coal cause Thulsa Doom to recall childhood and his stocking stuffers. Thulsa Doom sad. Thulsa Doom need a Jane then he have something good to yell about.
vnv
April 22nd, 2011
3:20 pm
Comm on you all; it aint about the BC it about the COLOR!!!
timbo
April 22nd, 2011
3:20 pm
Chris Matthews from MSNBC (the liberal who had chills running up his leg the night Obama was elected) was the person the resurrected this story. Libs know that Obama will not win in 2012, so they must create controversy. They are desperate right now and will do whatever they can to keep this monkey in the office.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
3:20 pm
oh, sorry, here’s where I pulled that upper 3% income cutoff @ 3.18, meant to include it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States
Clinton, Bush, Rove, CIA
April 22nd, 2011
3:20 pm
“name one positive thing he has done FOR the country, not AGAINST the country.”
Our other choice was John McCain. What do you think John McCain would’ve done differently with Iraq, Afghanistan, TARP (Bush initiated this in Oct), the stimulus, healthcare and amnesty for illegals? In my opinion, it wouldn’t have been much different.
The last GOP administration we had started two unfunded “off the books” wars, and passed a Trillion dollar free-prescription program to buy votes from senior citizens.
Medicare, Medicaid, and the military budgets are 65% of govt spending. Until EITHER party gets these monsters under control – it doesn’t really matter who the president is, if you ask me.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
3:20 pm
sfd
That enclave to which I was referring had household incomes waaaaaaaaay above that.
And still the foreclosures.
Me, I’d've gone for a much less expensive home and paid it off. Live beneath your means.
Gm
April 22nd, 2011
3:22 pm
USMC
You are the reason Obama is begging America to support education, another racist video, more then half the tea party idiots dont want medicaid cut, but you hypocrites are standing against goverment.
More then half of whites are on meidcaid and medicare, so when your rich conservatives friends put your grandma and grand pa on the street please dont come cyring for help.
Joe
April 22nd, 2011
3:22 pm
Kamchak:
Google it…. Just like a lazy libturd….
AmVet
April 22nd, 2011
3:23 pm
This is EXACTLY why the black race will never succeed in any country.
Generally, it is just a matter off time before the true bigots reveals themselves…
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
3:24 pm
According to the Republican budget that was passed, for example, we would have to eliminate “transportation funding by a third. We’d have to cut transporting funding by a third. You remember when that bridge in Minnesota collapsed with all those people on it? And there was a big hue and cry: How can this happen in America? Well, the National Society of Engineers, they’ve looked around and they give us a D when it comes to infrastructure. Our roads, our bridges, our sewer systems are all deteriorating.”- keep up the good fight
Keep up,
Are you going to sit there with a straight face and say that Obama wasn’t implying that the Minnesota bridge collapsed due to lack of infrastructure and repair? What rational thinking person would not conclude from reading that paragraph that Obama was implying that the bridge was in disrepair, neglected,etc.? It was a design flaw and that is absolutely not the context of what this paragraph implies. Come on keep up. You’re smarter than that keep up.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
3:24 pm
“I think I understood you to say earlier you are not sure. Is that correct?’
Sorry for the dealy. I made the mistake of watching the McDonald’s beating video, and it made me physically ill. I cannot believe that any so-called human beings walking this earth would treat another like that. As a parent, all I can say is, if that victim were my child, I would not rest until all of the attackers were tracked down and eliminated. Seriously.
Back to your question…I imagine Obama is probably a citizen, but I don’t know for sure. My guess is that he presented himself as a citizen when it suited him, and as a non-citizen when it suited him. Hence the secrecy.
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
3:25 pm
mccain goes to Libya and they chant “thank you America.”
Score hearts and minds in the Arab world for President Obama.
He deserved the peace prize.
Harry Callahan
April 22nd, 2011
3:25 pm
“>$150K/yr household income puts you in the 3% category.”
“if you think they don’t have mortgages, you’re more barmy than I would’ve imagined.”
I make about $150K, and I paid my house off 10 years ago.