Atlanta school board gets the message … right?
By signing Senate Bill 79, Gov. Nathan Deal has given himself authority to suspend school board members in any district that has lost or is in serious danger of losing its accreditation.
Say, for example, a certain embattled school board in a certain capital city with a certain investigation underway involving alleged cheating by teachers and administrators?
Yup, that very one.
Deal says he hopes never to have to use that authority, and there’s no reason to doubt his sincerity. Stripping duly elected public officials of the power given them by voters ought to be a last resort, and as a rule, governors don’t like to get involved in school board politics. For those and other reasons, the legislation is a purely symbolic statement of state concern about the way the Atlanta School Board has conducted itself.
But if necessary, it could become something more. The new law, if approved by the U.S. Justice Department, would also allow Deal to appoint temporary board members to carry out the duties of those who were suspended.
Certainly, the legislation was a better option than the other idea being kicked around at the Capitol, which was to hand control of Atlanta schools to Mayor Kasim Reed. Conditions in the district are not dire enough to justify such a drastic step, and Reed, for all his ability, has enough on his plate running the city and serving as the state’s ombudsman to the Obama administration in Washington.
In fact, the mayor might have thought twice about the wisdom of extending his mandate to education after witnessing the career arc of Adrian Fenty, the young, reform-minded mayor of Washington. Elected in 2006, Fenty demanded and soon got the power to run the troubled D.C. school system, but the backlash eventually cost him re-election and perhaps a once-promising political career.
To take the parallel a step farther, the reformist reputations of Fenty and the chancellor he appointed, Michelle Rhee, have recently been called into question by evidence of widespread cheating by teachers and administrators on standardized tests in the D.C. district. Like Beverly Hall, her counterpart in Atlanta, Rhee relied heavily on those tests both as a tool in operating the system and in demonstrating progress to a skeptical public.
“Her theory seemed to be that if she pushed incentives and sanctions hard enough, the scores would rise,” education expert Diane Ravich wrote. “Her theory was right, the scores did rise, but they didn’t represent genuine learning. She incentivized desperate behavior in principals and teachers trying to save their jobs and meet their targets and comply with their boss’ demands.”
Does that seems oddly familiar?
In the end, the outcome of Atlanta’s as-yet unresolved cheating scandal and the hiring of a new superintendent this summer will have a much larger impact on the education of its students than the passing dysfunctions of its school board. In fact, the board’s reluctance to supervise Hall and to force an honest investigation into cheating allegations represented a much more important failure than its backbiting and bickering.
With the school year coming to a close, it would be nice to be able to close the books on that failure and look forward. The threatened loss of accreditation and the bill signed by the governor ought to suffice to keep the board focused. The imminent departure of Hall and the selection of a replacement offer still more opportunity to look ahead.
Unfortunately, the uncompleted state investigation — a probe that was launched last August, eight months ago now — makes that impossible. That probe was begun by the governor’s office, and its report is overdue. Investigators have suggested that criminal charges are possible, and building such cases can take time. But at this point, with educations at stake, pursuing charges is less critical than identifying the problems quickly and fixing them.
– Jay Bookman
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Call it like it is
April 22nd, 2011
7:52 am
Have a blessed Friday one and all, and have a Great Easter…..This blog now turned back over to Jay.
Normal
April 22nd, 2011
8:03 am
Totally off topic, but funny…nasty ol’ men!
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/seduction-is-made-illegal
Peadawg
April 22nd, 2011
8:15 am
Not much to say on this blog…this is a good thing and hopefully it’ll send a message to the ASB.
Everyone have a Happy Easter!
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
8:16 am
the uncompleted state investigation — a probe that was launched last August, eight months ago now
does this august body happen to have an online resource where one might track their progress, Jay?
MiltonMan
April 22nd, 2011
8:18 am
Just remember Jay, the party that you have such a man-crush towards has been in charge of Dekalb schools, Clayton schools & APS schools – basically all failures. I extend an invitation to you to visit North Fulton schools which are within the much hated Republican controlled areas.
Question Man
April 22nd, 2011
8:23 am
Does the law allow Board members to be replaced if the system “is in serious danger of losing its accreditation?” Didn’t most press reports say the law applied only after accreditation was lost?
Write Your Board Members
April 22nd, 2011
8:23 am
Actually Milton Man, though school board elections are non-partisan in DeKalb, for the last two years the majority of members are/were Republican. (Womack, McChesney, Speaks and Bowen. Redovian was and he was replaced by Jester who is) So, afraid you can’t blame the democrats for the holy mess that DeKalb County Schools are.
williebkind
April 22nd, 2011
8:23 am
If we would only dump more money into the school systems our children will learn more! We have hundreds of examples how government programs work so efficiently. Of course we have to blame the parents too! Did anyone see the proselytizing for a cleaner mother earth in the first grade class. It was a song and dance!
Mr_B
April 22nd, 2011
8:23 am
Jay: As long as we rely on standardized testing to determine wheter or not our children have been “educated,” villanize teachers who can’t work miracles, and demand “accountability” without providing support and resources, such scandals will continue. Now, I must go corrupt the kiddies………..
Mr_B
April 22nd, 2011
8:24 am
Sorry: “whether”
Jay
April 22nd, 2011
8:24 am
First, MiltonMan, school board races are nonpartisan.
Furthermore I could take you to rural areas of the state dominated by Republicans where the test scores are just as bad as those in APS and in many cases worse.
The socio-economic status of the student body, not the political leaning of the school board, is the most accurate predictor of test scores. That is true in every state and every country and every era.
deegee
April 22nd, 2011
8:24 am
It is intellectually dishonest to assign political affiliation to the success or failure of a school district. The economic basis of the population and the active participation of parents determine the success or failure of a school.
The Rock
April 22nd, 2011
8:27 am
No, they did not get the message because they still have some Principals in place that are being protected.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
8:39 am
I extend an invitation to you to visit North Fulton schools
See Cession.
See Cession run.
Run, Cession, run!
AmVet
April 22nd, 2011
8:42 am
Good morning, Bookmaniacs.
Obviously, poor performing school systems are rampant throughout the nation. And as JB notes, it has virtually nothing to do with Dem. vs. Rep majorities.
The rural Midwest has been historically known for it’s academic excellence.
While the rural South has been know for the exact opposite.
Both are primarily “red” areas.
Likewise, the northeast corridor has typically done very well, while inner cities have done very poorly. Yet, both are primarily “blue”.
For the hyper-partisan, willfully clueless Milties out there…
http://tinyurl.com/3nw7k7e
Donald Walker
April 22nd, 2011
8:43 am
This bill concerns me as a candidate who came in second place to the city of Atlanta school board chair, Khaatim El in the last election. (hum- what a difference it would have made it parents would get out to vote). Nevertheless my concern is that this bill removes the validity of the electoral process which is protected by the constitution. The citizens of the state of Georgia should be very weary of constitution infringements simply because a process is broken. I think a better approach would be to implement term limits for school board officials and lesgislate a process where voters can remove school board officials from office- not the official who happens to hold the power of the governor or president. This is a very dangerous precedent!
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
8:44 am
Another example of how Republican politicians decry imposition of authority from on high, yet when they get in office they want that power to themselves (federal is to state as state is to local government entity).
“would also allow Deal to appoint temporary board members to carry out the duties of those who were suspended”
Does this mean that if Deal’s pick also fails, that Deal failed in his judgment and responsibilities and so will resign?
There might be a silver lining in there yet, Jay -
Obuma
April 22nd, 2011
8:45 am
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies…
Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”
- Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), March 20, 2006
carlosgvv
April 22nd, 2011
8:46 am
The cheating scandal report is actually long overdue. I’m guessing it’s conclusions will give a whole new meaning to the term “politically incorrect”. For that reason, I suspect certain powers that be are holding up the release of this report as long as possible. Maybe they hope that it they just ignore it, we will forget and it will just go away.
willie lynch
April 22nd, 2011
8:46 am
deegee
April 22nd, 2011
8:24 am
You are right, critical thinking is a necessary component to drawing acurate conclusions. In my observation, many blogger posts in this forum verify this is a lost art.
APS needs help, hopefully this bill will send a signal to all the school districts. Georgia is still ranked at the bottom nationally in education last time I checked and since it is and has been a red state, the blame, if one wishes to be so petty, could be placed more acurately in that.
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
8:57 am
Obuma, I have stated on here many times, please don’t confuse Liberals with facts, if you want to lie it’s ok.
Doggone/GA
April 22nd, 2011
9:00 am
“Another example of how Republican politicians decry imposition of authority from on high, yet when they get in office they want that power to themselves (federal is to state as state is to local government entity).”
Paul – if you want an interesting insight into that mindset…check out Michigan and the bill they just past that give the Governor authority to REPLACE a city’s elected officials with an appointed fiscal manager. And on how it’s being used.
RC
April 22nd, 2011
9:00 am
Nonpartisan elections or otherwise, metro or rural, the VOTERS are electing these characters to their school boards. How is anyone going to fix that?
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
9:01 am
“Does this mean that if Deal’s pick also fails, that Deal failed in his judgment and responsibilities and so will resign?”
Paul,
While Gov. Deal hasn’t really done anything in particular to warrant my distaste for him as Governor yet, I really hate having a Governor with the last name “Deal.” In politics, it just doesn’t sit well and as illustrated in such posts as yours above, it causes too many double takes — especially considering the topic.
Happy Good Friday blog peeps.
AmVet
April 22nd, 2011
9:06 am
Pen, as I recall you providing virtually none of those said facts in nay of your posts, you’re in the clear!
Carry on…
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
9:09 am
Obuma
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.”
I believe this early on we are here to debate regarding the Atlanta School Board and Governor Deal.
Local community colleges may have courses in “follows directions and plays well with others.”
Morning, Doggone/GA
I see a Google search in my future. Thanks!
But nothing beats our Republican Gov Perry. Decried the stimulus, then took billions to balance the state budget.
Attacks the feds, then gets upset when they tell him education dollars have to be spent on…. education.
Talks about self reliance and how we don’t need Washington, then experiences wildfires and asks the feds to declare an emergency so he can get federal dollars.
Golly gee, what do you call a guy like that?
Hi Bosch
Worn out from all that dancing in the moonlight?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
9:11 am
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
8:57 am
… please don’t confuse Liberals with facts, if you want to lie it’s ok.
___________________________
Conservatives and republicans lie on this blog? Shocker! Well at least the part where you now acknowledge it.
AmVet – loved the link!
Wish I had an easy answer to the school issue. Seems to me the more that the politicians try to apply short term fixes and “measurements” the more they screw it up and blame the teachers.
Mary Elizabeth
April 22nd, 2011
9:12 am
“She (Rhee) incentivized desperate behavior in principals and teachers trying to save their jobs and meet their targets and comply with their boss’ demands.”
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This is why standardized test scores should not be tied to teachers’ salaries or dismissal. More harm comes of that than good. And more should be weighed in that process than test scores.
However, test scores should be used as one tool for ascertaining the precise instructional levels of students. It would be foolhardy to ask doctors to avoid MRIs or CAT scans when diagnosing and prescribing remedies. Likewise, teachers (and parents) must know where each child is functioning. Only by knowing that can they can effectively adjust instruction to individual need. Testing should not be dominant in the classroom, but it should be valued as an instrument of diagnostic insight.
The Anti-Gnostic
April 22nd, 2011
9:13 am
“The socio-economic status of the student body, not the political leaning of the school board, is the most accurate predictor of test scores. That is true in every state and every country and every era.”
______________________
I’ll go you one further: the IQ of the student is the most accurate predictor of test scores “in every state and every country and every era.” So we can end much of the debate, the elections, the public administration, the quest for the magic education elixir, the witch hunts when the achievement gap persists, right there.
Test students for g intelligence and practical aptitude, group them accordingly, and set the modest goal of raising IQ half a standard deviation instead of spending billions pretending everybody can be Einstein. One other thing: schooling for half or more of all youngsters should be over by age 16.
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
9:15 am
Hi Paul! How can you tell? Blogging while lying in bed, who’d of thunk such a thing 15 years ago?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
9:16 am
Paul – to help you out on Michigan absurdity mentioned by Doggone and the Republican dictatorship (truly taxation without reporesentation).
The good news: a recall effort against the MI gov has been started and I bet this one does not need imported petition gatherers buying women drinks in exchange for signatures.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
9:17 am
This is why standardized test scores should not be tied to teachers’ salaries or dismissal.
I’m inclined to agree—as a parent, I’m already pretty horrified at how much time is
pissed away spent on CRCT prep and the actual testing itself. That you would be providing incentives for relatively low-paid professionals to goose their numbers for personal gain seems extra-wrong.However, I do have to ask—if we are to incentivize improved scholastic outcomes, what kind of metric do you use? Thoughts?
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
9:18 am
oy. the strikeys, they struck.
one mo’ time, sans lame joke:
Mary, I’m inclined to agree—as a parent, I’m already pretty horrified at how much time is spent on CRCT prep and the actual testing itself. That you would be providing incentives for relatively low-paid professionals to goose their numbers for personal gain seems extra-wrong.
However, I do have to ask—if we are to incentivize improved scholastic outcomes, what kind of metric do you use? Thoughts?
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
9:18 am
IQ is so like 1950s intelligence measures have come a, ong way baby since then.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
9:20 am
Anti-Agnostic
“the IQ of the student is the most accurate predictor of test scores “in every state and every country and every era.”
Citation?
We’ve a family friend – was a department chair at one of the Calif state universities – who did one of his doctoral dissertations on IQ tests. Offhandedly referred to them as ‘a lie from beginning to end. They are more a reflection of the manner in which the child is being taught (than a predictor of future performance).
So if you have some professional journal-type articles, I’m interested.
The
April 22nd, 2011
9:21 am
to end up poor can be the result of misfortune, but to stay poor is a choice.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
9:21 am
Keep up
Thanks much. Was going to take me a while to search for it. Just following this conversation while trying to get some work out is challenge enough -
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
9:24 am
veering off topic, but…
Good Fight @ 9.16, having spent some time in and near near St. Jo’s/Benton Harbor, that story really hit home for me. That some thieving SOBs would use financial hardship combined with a vile, labor-hating Governor’s mad lust for power to steal a beachfront park from poor people ought to outrage just about anyone with a sense of justice, and kudos to Rachel for bringing this small scale, easily overlooked story to light.
joe
April 22nd, 2011
9:25 am
Hey Jay, didn’t get to comment on your last blog, but here’s another example of you bashing the GOP for “defending tax cheats” when the Dems do the exact same thing….case in point. General Electric. GE basically bought the election for Obama by dispatching NBC to his beck and call every waking hour of every day during the election…and in turn, the Obama administration allows GE to rake in millions upon millions of profits without paying one darn nickle in taxes…so while I agree to an extend that the GOP should be scolded for defending tax cheats, you need to do the same for the other side of the aisle when stuff like GE happens.
On a side note, if we had the fair tax, we wouldn’t be talking about these issues as everyone would pay their fair share and 47% of the people who don’t pay anything now…would. Why people like you cannot support the fair tax, I’ll never know.
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
9:26 am
stands,
Back in the day while I was in graduate school, I worked with some folks who were piloting some new test measures that were able to (in my opinion) better reflect the students intelligence by the way they learned things. From there, they developed lessons for students accordingly. Pretty neat stuff. I just knew this was going to be the wave of future testing, but then NCLB came along and pretty much stopped that crazy talk all together.
If you have never ever heard of him, one person I’d recommend reading up on is a Harvard guy named Howard Gardner. Interesting way of looking at intelligence.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
9:27 am
The
Your spouse and kids all present with the same symptoms of a rare genetic disorder. You health insurance taps out and you’re on the hook for hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical costs. You burn thru your retirement savings and mortgage the equity in your house. Then you lose your job. Your area has a high unemployment rate and you’ve no cash to move, as your credit cards are maxed out. (If you declare bankruptcy you’re liable for those bills).
Pick any scenario you want, but this morning you woke up with no job, no savings, no nothing. Not your fault, no choice you made. It just is.
So, The, care to walk us thru the steps you’ll take to survive, then become prosperous?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 22nd, 2011
9:28 am
I extend an invitation to you to visit North Fulton schools
See Cession.
See Cession run.
Run, Cession, run!
So much laughter… So little time…
Doggone
I was going to bring up the Michigan law. I love how the GOP aka conservatives are for small government unless it’s allowing them to intrude into the business of others. That’s not big government though, when one person can go back and erase the votes that citizens have cast for people to represent them in government.
What we need instead is a law that could hold elected officials criminally negligible for complete screw-ups that endanger other parts of government operations. Start giving pols hard time behind cinder blocks, and we should see better behavior from them all.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
9:29 am
to stay poor is a choice
thanks, Neal. Don’t you have a radio audience to swindle right about now, though?
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
9:30 am
“What we need instead is a law that could hold elected officials criminally negligible for complete screw-ups that endanger other parts of government operations. Start giving pols hard time behind cinder blocks, and we should see better behavior from them all.
”
Obama would look good in orange.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
9:32 am
Start giving pols hard time behind cinder blocks, and we should see better behavior from them all.
how about they stand in front of cinder blocks, for a few short seconds, instead?
I mean we have the punishment available to us, why not use it where it’ll actually do some good instead of on small time hoods? a boy can dream…
The Anti-Gnostic
April 22nd, 2011
9:32 am
Paul – it does not surprise me that a professional educator comes up with a thesis that supports the education bureaucracy’s mission of pounding square pegs into round holes. Some kids are dumb, some kids are smart. The best teacher in the best school with the best resources will bring them up about half a standard deviation–that’s it. That’s why Westminsters, Marist, Pace Academy, et al. don’t spend millions hiring Ph.D.’s away from university: because the student already tested smart and they know the teacher is not going to add much. IQ testing is sound, which is why the military still has its ASVAB.
The failure to acknowledge this reality insures that the debate will be perennial. No amount of reform is going to turn dumb kids into smart kids. The achievement gap is a fact of life that the educrats, like the old Soviet party bosses, insist somebody (saboteurs, teachers, parents, etc.) must be to blame for.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
April 22nd, 2011
9:33 am
Teachr’s pet !
Mary Elizabeth
April 22nd, 2011
9:34 am
Stands for decibels @ 9:18
Answer: Teacher training of how to use diagnostic results effectively. The best teachers want to see their students advance. That is the only incentive they need. They are professionals. Students want to learn (until they feel like failures). The best incentive is simply success. Growth must be measured and understood with complexity and insight. Some can advance more than others. All can advance. Having scores on computers, systemwide, would be state of the art in fostering precise instruction. Following student advancement over years – instead of simply over months – would enable more success. Remember the art of teaching is the dynamic between the student and the teacher – not the test scores. It is the nurturing that matters. Test results are only a tool for nurturing with wisdom.
I don’t care to dominate this discussion anymore, today. Hope the above helps.
Remember Good Friday and what it means. Good day.
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
April 22nd, 2011
9:34 am
Excuse me: “teacher’s”
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 22nd, 2011
9:34 am
Obama would look good in orange.
And public caning for instigating and/or spreading partisaned bs…
dB
LOL!!!!!
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
9:34 am
Anti-Agnostic
Two paragraphs?
All I asked was if you had any professional research citations to support your opinion.
The
My underlying point was, if being poor is a choice, then so is being prosperous. So what choices does a poor person make to become prosperous?
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
9:35 am
Bosch @ 9.26, I’m vaguely aware of his theories of multiple intelligences… I’ll bookmark a ref or two for future use, thanks.
Left wing management
April 22nd, 2011
9:36 am
Speaking of partisanship, it’s funny to observe the confusion here among the usual suspects. They don’t know quite what to do with an issue where, at the moment, bipartisanship seems to reign.
By the way, how’s this for bipartisanship?
It’s seems even Chris Christie is happy to call Obama an ally in the education area. (So does that mean Christie is a Kenyan Marxist, too?)
Chris Christie Says Obama Is ‘Great Ally’ On Education Reform
New Jersey Republican Governor Chris Christie on Wednesday declared himself an ally of President Obama and his administration on education issues
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/20/christie-obama-education-reform_n_851789.html
Rightwing Troll
April 22nd, 2011
9:38 am
I don’t even know what to say about this:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec0_1303444048
Why do these melees, that seem to keep popping up on youtube or where ever, always seem to involve black girls?
What this video is, is a sad commentary on the state of our society, white and black. At least 4 guys and one manager stood by while two black girls beat a white girl until she had a seizure, I couldn’t tell but I think the videographer was white. At the end as the girl laid there and convulsed, the videographer or one of his friends warned the attackers the cops were coming and calmly helped one of them find her phone.
Obama doesn’t need to be in orange, but these two Hoochymammas and every person in that video needs to be…
AmVet
April 22nd, 2011
9:39 am
I’m sure it has changed somewhat, but as for the ASVAB, when I took it in 1972, I scored in the 99th percentile.
It took about an eight grade level of mastery to score well on it.
i.e., a joke…
Rightwing Troll
April 22nd, 2011
9:40 am
LWM,
He’ll be called a RINO and excommunicated… and possibly be tarred and feathered…
@@
April 22nd, 2011
9:44 am
As a resident of Clayton County, I can only say this law was too long in coming. Perdue intervened here in Clayton but only after the damage had been done. It will take years to recover.
Our system went to school uniforms, something that parents fought for years. While a little thing, it’s been entertaining to watch our high school students adapt over time. At first, upon leaving the school grounds, the boys shirts would come off revealing a wife beater. The polo would then be tied to their heads, the pants would drop below their butts. With time, they don’t bother anymore. They leave as they arrive.
When I drive by a group of young men I’m tempted to say “Lookin’ spiffy, guys!” but they’d probably rebel so I refrain.
Peadawg
April 22nd, 2011
9:44 am
Rightwing Troll
I can’t believe what I just watched. Sad doesn’t even begin to describe it….
The Anti-Gnostic
April 22nd, 2011
9:44 am
Paul – I would suggest Jensen’s The g Factor, Seligman’s A Question Of Intelligence, and Murray and Hernstein’s The Bell Curve. All are available from Amazon.
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
9:45 am
stands,
Like I wrote, my knowledge of him and his theories are pretty old, and I’m sure more have been done or disproved, but anyway, in my opinion, part of the problem with education is that we value or devalue a students ability to learn. Even students with “learning disabilities” can learn, it’s just finding the best alternative way of getting that information to stick in their head.
And as Anti-Gnostic reminds us — we have been programmed to think of kids as “smart” or “dumb” based simply on a couple tests that measure a students ability very little. I’m sure that @@ would agree that even kids who have been labeled as “special” or whatever are simply kids who learn different and can be taught and succeed.
In other words, intelligence and who is smart and dumb is all relative, just as who is successful is all relative. Part of the problem is that as a society, we have to re-evaluate how we think of intelligence, as as such, how we value it.
Ex APS Employee
April 22nd, 2011
9:46 am
What is truly amazing is how Beverly Hall has just slipped out of the guilty limelight and all of the focus is now on the board of education for not supervising all of her criminal activity. How is it that she is still around trying to clean up as much of her dirty work before she officially leaves behind piles and piles of mess.
She did this same exact thing in New Jersey and I hope she gets criminal charges when it is all said and done so no other school district has to sink to the lowest common denominator due to her criminal mode of operation with all of her cohorts. She is truly a successful well paid white collar criminal and she needs to be stopped dead in her tracks.
Anyone who has done what she has done to the Atlanta Public Schools and has the ability to show up at televised board meetings and operate with her business as usual presentation and with no remorse is scary.
catlady
April 22nd, 2011
9:47 am
I hope those men looking into the cheating scandal aren’t billing by the hour! They could have birthed a baby during this amount of time! And how about the GBI?
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
9:47 am
The gop assault on education and teachers is because the gop get the low or no education vote by a very large margin.
@@
April 22nd, 2011
9:47 am
Oops! Forgot to comment on this part:
The socio-economic status of the student body, not the political leaning of the school board, is the most accurate predictor of test scores.
And I’ve never bought into that. I’ve known poor people who took full advantage of the educational opportunity afforded them. Intelligent entrepreneurs, they.
The Anti-Gnostic
April 22nd, 2011
9:48 am
AmVet – the ASVAB is designed to establish an IQ cutoff of around 90. Below that, no amount of teaching is going to get people adept at maps and compasses or maintenance protocols.
@@
April 22nd, 2011
9:49 am
Bosch @ 9:45:
Absolutely!
Rightwing Troll
April 22nd, 2011
9:49 am
Pea,
For all we know the girl that got beat down could’ve started it. But it went so far beyond over the top, and for all those able bodied males to stand around and laugh, well that’s pathetic and it kinda makes me want to go beat them down…
When I was a teen, we’d gather around in a circle and watch the fight, but it never involved more than one v. one, may the best combatant prevail, and at a certain point folks would step in to stop it if the beating seemed too severe…
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
9:51 am
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
“And public caning for instigating and/or spreading partisaned bs…”
Being jailed for speaking out against the president. Sounds like you libs have the perfect solution for everyone.
Paul
April 22nd, 2011
9:51 am
Anti Agnostic
The first one I looked at said it wasn’t about IQ. He was making a case for //general// ability. In fact, the first reviewer said the author took issue with IQ tests.
Not playing with words, but they do have meaning.
If your position is “give kids an IQ test and that tells what they can become and no amount of education will change it much ” that’s one thing. If it’s ‘people have abilities that cover a range and do better in some areas than others” that’s another.
So I’m not really sure what your point is.
Me, I think people have lots of abilities, different from each other, strengths in some areas, weaknesses in others, and many can be enhanced by innovative teaching methods.
Out for a while -
USMC
April 22nd, 2011
9:53 am
The Atlanta Public Schools have a long way to go, but at least people are starting to wake up, shed light on the system as a whole, and start addressing the problems.
Did anyone else see the heinous HATE crime caught on film? Unbelievable:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec0_1303444048
Peadawg
April 22nd, 2011
9:54 am
“For all we know the girl that got beat down could’ve started it. But it went so far beyond over the top, and for all those able bodied males to stand around and laugh, well that’s pathetic and it kinda makes me want to go beat them down…”
Exactly what I thinking. The white girl may have started it by talking trash or something but she didn’t deserve to be beating into a seizure while everybody stood and watched. Times like this and also with animal cruelty I wish eye-for-an-eye was the law.
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
9:54 am
getalife:
“The gop assault on education and teachers is because the gop get the low or no education vote by a very large margin.”
So the GOP gets the Atlanta Ghetto vote? When did that happen?
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
9:56 am
lil con,
“So the GOP gets the Atlanta Ghetto vote? When did that happen?”
Racist much.
The Anti-Gnostic
April 22nd, 2011
9:56 am
“In other words, intelligence and who is smart and dumb is all relative, just as who is successful is all relative.”
______________________
I suppose it’s relative. I don’t know how to score a bag of crack without getting caught by the cops. So relative to the West Side, I’m pretty dumb. OTOH, I’m smart enough to know that scoring a bag of crack is ultimately a poor use of my time and money. So maybe I’m pretty smart.
But this is a specious argument and you know it. You wouldn’t pick a surgeon or a civil engineer who hadn’t passed objective tests in science and math, for example.
And in the end, your argument for relative intelligence actually fits hand in glove with my thesis: students should be grouped by their relative abilities. IQ tests are a cheap, quick way to do that but if you don’t like them fine. Do away with them and have the parents and teachers figure it out. Just don’t spend billions of dollars year in and year out on the fool’s quest of trying to make everybody a college-bound prodigy.
Left wing management
April 22nd, 2011
9:56 am
I wonder if there’s a single example nation-wide of a school system under direct mayoral control and is truly successful. If I’m not mistaken, the list of examples of mayor-run school systems with dismal results is long:
Cleveland
New York
Chicago
D.C.
Boston
Albuquerque
Am I missing any?
Rightwing Troll
April 22nd, 2011
9:56 am
sage wisdom:
http://refspace.com/quotes/The_Art_of_War
Left wing management
April 22nd, 2011
9:58 am
So the GOP gets the Atlanta Ghetto vote? When did that happen?
Is WOW back from the dead?
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
9:59 am
getalife
Is it racist to point out that the democrats have warehoused a large part of the Black population and given them the worst education in the state?
Sounds like anyone voting for Democrats would be the racist.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
9:59 am
Getalife….The gop assault on education and teachers is because the gop get the low or no education vote by a very large margin.
REALLY?? Care to prove that….
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
9:59 am
eye-for-an-eye — Isn’t that old school bible? What happened to turn the other cheek? More pick and choose the verse to follow?
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
10:02 am
Left wing management
The only way to fix what the Democrats have done to the low income Black demographic is to stop ignoring it.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
10:02 am
the heinous HATE crime
ok, jeez, that’s two now…what winger site’s hyping this? Is it Hattie Matty Drudge?
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
10:02 am
lil con,
Did you drop out of high school?
ug,
Google it.
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
10:03 am
“Me, I think people have lots of abilities, different from each other, strengths in some areas, weaknesses in others, and many can be enhanced by innovative teaching methods.”
Paul, exactly.
@@,
I will expand on that thought a little — I know several kids who are either autistic, or “learning disabled” which is a term I really don’t believe in — but in my opinion, I feel that they are sometimes actually smarter than many other kids. They have to work harder to learn based on the tools available. They have to work harder, and in most cases succeed in doing so with tools that doesn’t fit with their styles of learning. In other words, they actually figure out how to put the square peg in a round hole, which to me, indicates higher intelligence on their part.
In the case of autism, I think that that is an evolutionary phenomenon we are seeing where the kids actually use MORE of their brains to process their surroundings and the environment and our ways of communication just haven’t caught up to them — a case of evolution happening faster than it’s surroundings.
carlosgvv
April 22nd, 2011
10:03 am
The Anti-Gnostic
Your IQ observation is absolutely correct. It is also absolutely politically incorrect and will earn you the ire of every bleeding-heart liberal who posts here.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
10:04 am
I see the Oppressed White Posse is in da hizzie.
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
10:05 am
getalife
Top of my class and now a Master’s degree. How about you?
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
10:05 am
@@,
Also, I get aggravated when anyone considers autistic kids or “learning disabled” kids as having something WRONG with them.
The Anti-Gnostic
April 22nd, 2011
10:06 am
“And I’ve never bought into that. I’ve known poor people who took full advantage of the educational opportunity afforded them. Intelligent entrepreneurs, they.”
____________________
@@: If the problem is socio-economic, then government can point to it as justification for its billions of dollars in transfer payments and social engineering. OTHO, if it just comes down to the individual, then all those administrators with Ph.D.’s in Finger Painting, all the unionized public sector workers, the elected school boards, etc., are a huge malinvestment which will eventually be liquidated once the private sector decides they can no longer afford it. We will see more homeschooling and more private tutors and more internet courses.
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
10:07 am
Low education voters are easily led to believe gop lies.
Hence, the attack on education.
RW-(the original)
April 22nd, 2011
10:07 am
The ASVAB started being used by the Air Force in 1973 with the other branches to follow over the next few years.
Oh well, so much for standardized testing trivia,
A Good Friday to you all.
/drive by
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
10:07 am
Getalife…..I did..http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/research/published/chance_on_2008.pdf
Word of advise before you make a quote on a blog….better make sure you can back it up. Welcome to the party of dumb!
BTW….MBA from UGA…..you?
Left wing management
April 22nd, 2011
10:08 am
GLL: “The only way to fix what the Democrats have done to the low income Black demographic is to stop ignoring it.”
Do I hear lurking behind this question the ridiculous conservative fable that the Democratic party is somehow responsible for racial segregation in this country?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 22nd, 2011
10:08 am
Being jailed for speaking out against the president. Sounds like you libs have the perfect solution for everyone.
Says the poster with the moniker “Good little liberal”. You’re more of a lib by using that name that I’ll probably ever be, but keep smoking your pipe anyway. Public caning has nothing to do with being jailed. You have all the right in the world to speak out against the president. However, just spewing partisaned bs should net you a caning. Do you have proof that Obama would end up in an orange jumpsuit, or is it just your conservative wet dream? Will that proof stand up in a court of law? If not, you could POSSIBLY be accused of spreading partisaned bs.
I’m not conservative or liberal, I’m just calling it as I see it.
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
10:08 am
lil con,
You have a master in bs.
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
10:09 am
ug.
Word of advice.
Learn how to post a link.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
10:09 am
Getalife….ONCE AGAIN YOU CANNOT DISPUTE THE FACTS OF THE EDUCATION NONSENSE THAT YOU POSTED…..GREAT JOB DEMON!
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
10:09 am
getalife
You keep trying but you keep striking out.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
10:10 am
hahaha these libs just make it TOO easy.
MiltonMan
April 22nd, 2011
10:11 am
Good to see AmWay on board with his typical juvenile name calling mode.
Doggone/GA
April 22nd, 2011
10:11 am
“it went so far beyond over the top, and for all those able bodied males to stand around and laugh, well that’s pathetic and it kinda makes me want to go beat them down… ”
It has LONG been MY opinion that spectators in a position to do something are MORE guilty than the perpatrators. You could, with a little charity, at least ascribe overriding emotions to those directly involved. The spectators have not even that tiny excuse.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
10:11 am
Bosch — my own preference is to avoid the word disabled and go with differently abled. Yeah the Neanderthals, who use the R word or its shorter version or who whine that it is the PC police, can so perform physical activities on themselves that are unlikely to be achieve. I know too many who want to label humans who may be different but more functional than some of the posters on this site, in my opinion.
The Anti-Gnostic
April 22nd, 2011
10:11 am
“a case of evolution happening faster than it’s surroundings.”
This belongs in the Seven-Day Creationist camp. Evolution cannot work that way. Environmental pressures drive the sorting for reproductive fitness–it doesn’t work the other way around.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
10:12 am
Do you have proof that Obama would end up in an orange jumpsuit, or is it just your conservative wet dream?
wrong way ‘round.
I think the typical online conservatroll dream starts with Obama in an orange jumpsuit, but he doesn’t leave it on for long…
and with that cheery observation, I’ll bid a-doody for awhile.
Peadawg
April 22nd, 2011
10:13 am
” I’ll bid a-doody for awhile.”
Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
10:13 am
“Low Education White Voters Gave us The Lost Decade and the Tea Party”
http://jrichter.newsvine.com/_news/2010/02/05/3859240-low-education-white-voters-gave-us-the-lost-decade-and-the-tea-party
Owned.
Doggone/GA
April 22nd, 2011
10:14 am
“eye-for-an-eye — Isn’t that old school bible?”
The “eye for an eye” verses are a plea for MERCY…not a roadmap for revenge
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
10:15 am
Left wing management
“Do I hear lurking behind this question the ridiculous conservative fable that the Democratic party is somehow responsible for racial segregation in this country?”
It’s not a fable, it’s a fact. If you look at the civil rights movement, it was against Democrats, not Republicans. And the current segregation between Black and White are education based. Which party has worked for vouchers and other methods of integrating less advantaged Black kids into better schools and which party has fought against those efforts?
Do you have a counter to this idea? Can you point out where integration was instigated by Democrats?
@@
April 22nd, 2011
10:15 am
Bosch:
As is often the case with children challenged by Autism, they must first be taught methods by which they can cope with their behaviors. Without that, their behaviors inhibit their ability to learn. Theirs is an ordered world and outside stimuli disrupts that order. They need to be instructed on how best to deal with that stimuli.
I’d love to share some stories about how they’ve taught me so that I could better teach them, but the windows won’t get done if I dally too long.
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
10:16 am
The Anti-Gnostic,
In matters of the brain, I think there is a world of things we just don’t know or are just now discovering — and whose to say that in the case with autism,
“Environmental pressures drive the sorting for reproductive fitness”
that isn’t what is happening?
Doggone/GA
April 22nd, 2011
10:17 am
“Word of advise before you make a quote on a blog….better make sure you can back it up”
Words of ADVICE before you criticise someone else on a blog – better make sure YOU can’t be criticized (and before you say anything, both spellings – criticise and critcize – are correct)
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
10:17 am
getalife
J. Richter. Now that’s funny! Would you accept anything written by Rush Limbaugh?
RL
April 22nd, 2011
10:18 am
The school board did not get the message. The teachers did not get the message.
Bosch
April 22nd, 2011
10:18 am
And I too am going out to enjoy the Easter weekend…..I’ll leave you all to it.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
10:19 am
Getalife….yep it is all of those over educated black folks that will save us…..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I actually laughed outloud.
MiltonMan
April 22nd, 2011
10:19 am
APS, Clayton, DeKalb – low socio-economic areas that are heavily infested by the Demorats
North Fulton – schools that are tops in the state (no need for the social welfare programs known as “Need based scholarships” around here) & just happens to be heavy GOP areas. And now that GA has secured another house seat, this will be placed in GOP safe area (until “Rev” Lowery, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton file a frivolous lawsuit).
And to you clueless ones (aka Demorats) stating that the elections are non-partisian is always a “loophole” for you nuts.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
10:21 am
Getalife…you do know what newsvine is dont you?
The Anti-Gnostic
April 22nd, 2011
10:21 am
Bosch – let me know when autistics have a higher sexual market value than non-autistics.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 22nd, 2011
10:21 am
@@
Agreed. I have a neice in college that was labeled autistic when she was young. If you met her and talked to her, you’d question why she was labeled that way. She’s sang with numerous state choruses in her home state and won so many awards, I couldn’t name them all. Her grades in school were near top of the class as well. I often say that she was misdiagnosed, but if the diagnosis was correct, she functions far and above what her peers do.
Dinkdunk
April 22nd, 2011
10:22 am
When do we get to the “blame whitey” part?
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
10:22 am
Just go to a tea party to see the uneducated cons easily led by lies on beck.
It is obvious and the gop attacks education because they need those gullible con votes.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
10:22 am
Dinkdunk….have you not heard Getalife? It is hilarious!
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
10:22 am
UGA1999
He had to find someone who would back up his claims. Sort of sad, really.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
10:23 am
Getalife….OH NO Obama is sliding in all of the polls what are you, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton going to do?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
10:23 am
Good little…..yeah I think it may be better if no one replys to him at all.
MiltonMan
April 22nd, 2011
10:25 am
getalife – typical liberal. Gets his news from a website fully owned by MSNBC & has a total of 5 subscribers & calls this news worthy.
willie lynch
April 22nd, 2011
10:27 am
As it is said, “History is written by the victorious”. Hitler also offered “science” to support his theory of a master race. We know better.
Left wing management
April 22nd, 2011
10:27 am
GLL: “Can you point out where integration was instigated by Democrats?”
Are you joking? Look, all you have to do is Google civil rights movement and find the Wikipedia. It’ll get you up to speed. The fact is that if you want to talk about segregation and the current party system, you’ll run into a brick wall, as the Democratic party itself was split over this very issue. The real issue was Southern Democrat vs Northern Democrat.
MiltonMan: “APS, Clayton, DeKalb – low socio-economic areas that are heavily infested by the Demorats”
So how do you fit into your little world view there the fact that Obama himself (a Democrat last time I checked) is continuing the policies of his predecessor in the education area? My guess is you don’t want to talk about that too much as that might cause your universe to come crashing down.
Wow, the know nothings are out in force this morning.
Go Donald Go
April 22nd, 2011
10:27 am
Atlas shrugged – the sequel…..
http://www.internetweekly.org/2011/04/cartoon_ayn_rands_atlas_barked.html
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
10:27 am
Check out the fox breakdown on their viewers.
Old, uneducated, white folks are the majority.
MiltonMan
April 22nd, 2011
10:28 am
getalife – come up to North Fulton pal. You will see plenty of the “evil rich” that are conservatives.
Just because you use free internet via the public library does not mean everyone is in the same situation as you & are cons.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
10:28 am
Willie…..and?
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
10:29 am
AmVet
April 22nd, 2011
9:06 am
Pen, as I recall you providing virtually none of those said facts in nay of your posts, you’re in the clear!
Carry on…
AmVet, obviously you have never read my posts or really have a serious problem with reading comprehension 101.
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
10:30 am
I mean, when the gop vote against the uneducated con’ Medicare and the cons still vote gop, there is little doubt about the education of said voters.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
10:30 am
Getalife…..just for you…
While the educational attainment of all races increased during the 1990s, with the gap between African Americans and non-Hispanic whites decreasing, severe differences between the races remain, especially among those with a Bachelor’s degree or higher. Asian Americans had the highest educational attainment of any race, followed by whites who had a higher percentage of high school graduates but a lower percentage of college graduates. Persons identifying as Hispanic or Latino, without regard to race, had the lowest educational attainment. The gap was the largest between foreign-born Asian Americans, over half (50.1%) of whom had a Bachelor’s degree or higher and foreign-born Hispanics, 9.8% of whom had a four-year college degree. Hispanics and Latinos also trailed far behind in terms of graduating from high school; it was the only major group for which high school graduates constituted less than 80% of the population. This large inequality might partially be explained thorough the influx of uneducated foreign-born Hispanic Americans who had not been offered the chance to complete secondary education in their home country and who had not completed secondary education in the United States. Overall nearly half (49.8%) of Asian Americans, nearly a third (30%) of non-Hispanic Whites, 17.3% of non-Hispanic Blacks, and just over a tenth (11.4%) of Hispanics or Latinos had a four-year college degree. The same differences decrease significantly at the high school level with 89.4% of non-Hispanic whites, 87.6% of Asian Americans, 80.0% of African Americans, and only 57% of Hispanics or Latinos having graduated from high school.[1]
Billings
April 22nd, 2011
10:31 am
A lack of sound work ethic is what brings failure. Without it a person or student is destined to a life without rewards. Government crutches are for the lame.
The Anti-Gnostic
April 22nd, 2011
10:33 am
“So how do you fit into your little world view there the fact that Obama himself (a Democrat last time I checked) is continuing the policies of his predecessor in the education area?”
That one’s easy: George W. Bush is not what I would call a conservative Republican.
From education to immigration to government propping up asset values to foreign wars, there seems to be little difference between the two administrations.
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
10:33 am
Damn, you guys lost and still can’t get over it. Do any of you libs work? How many of you are sticking it to your employer right now, please raise your hands. Don’t worry I know that you expect everything for free, even your wages.
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
10:34 am
MM,
“Just because you use free internet via the public library does not mean everyone is in the same situation as you & are cons.”
Low education comment to prove my point.
“evil rich”
There is your sign.
Mighty Righty
April 22nd, 2011
10:34 am
Sorry, I don’t care. We all know why the public education system in the entire country doesn’t work.
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
10:35 am
“please raise your hands.”
Another uneducated comment.
You can’t see us drop out.
Go Donald Go
April 22nd, 2011
10:37 am
Chart toppers for people who dig factual data………………….
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/our-non-exceptional-debt-and-deficit-crisis.php?ref=dcblt
jm
April 22nd, 2011
10:38 am
A. Glad the bill passed.
B. The school cheating scandals are not a sign that testing is bad. Rather, they are evidence of a corrupt system.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
10:38 am
Getalife….apparently you did a great job of “dropping out” haha.
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
10:39 am
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
10:35 am
“please raise your hands.”
Another uneducated comment.
You can’t see us drop out.
I have always heard that the truth hurts.
Midori
April 22nd, 2011
10:40 am
I see the Oppressed White Posse is in da hizzie.
Stands!!!
SpaceyG on Twitter
April 22nd, 2011
10:40 am
I’m sure there’s an essay titled *The Desperation of Women in Leadership* here somewhere.
Ponder
April 22nd, 2011
10:40 am
And yet again, my wife and I are thankful we are able to send our children to private school.
It’s a pain paying approximately $7,000 per year in property taxes and receiving very little back in services, i.e., not using the public school system; however, the benefit of “double paying” for our children’s education is well worth it!!!
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
10:41 am
The uneducated need fox and rush to do their thinking for them.
They will believe any lie and repeat it so here is my closing argument.
Half of the gop voters are birthers.
I rest my case.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
10:42 am
Getalife….I have posted several links that completely destroy your arguements. You have yet to come back with a single intelligent answer. So I rest my case.
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
10:43 am
Ponder, I think there are a lot of great public schools in our country, a lot depends on where you live.
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
10:44 am
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
10:41 am
The uneducated need fox and rush to do their thinking for them.
They will believe any lie and repeat it so here is my closing argument.
Half of the gop voters are birthers.
I rest my case.
How many names are on your piece of paper????????????????????????
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
10:45 am
ug,
The educated know you can find something on the internet that backs up your bs.
Why are half the gop voters birthers?
Because they are uneducated and can’t think for themselves.
Question
April 22nd, 2011
10:45 am
“…identifying the problems quickly and fixing them…”.
Seems the problems are systemic. Compare similar failing or marginal school systems across the country, e.g., Atlanta, DC, other large urban settings, and I bet there are a number of factors in common…
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
10:46 am
“How many names are on your piece of paper????????????????????????”
Another example to prove my point.
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
10:47 am
Question, Amen
justjanny
April 22nd, 2011
10:48 am
If lawyers are paid an hourly rate, of course this investigation will drag on. Wouldn’t you drag on a potentially million dollar investigation? I sure hope that these shysters, I mean, lawyers, are on a fixed fee!
Ponder
April 22nd, 2011
10:49 am
poison pen at 10:43 am
Agreed. Let me be more specific — we live in Atlanta/Fulton County.
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
10:50 am
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
10:46 am
“How many names are on your piece of paper????????????????????????”
Another example to prove my point.
And what is your point except for it’s Bush’s fault and all Repubs are evil.
Rightwing Troll
April 22nd, 2011
10:50 am
“Do any of you libs work? How many of you are sticking it to your employer right now, please raise your hands. Don’t worry I know that you expect everything for free, even your wages.”
As the board fills up with “conservative” comments… Irony? or Hypocrisy? or both?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
10:50 am
Getalife….because the Demons and black are too uneducated and scared to think on their own. I am not saying that I am a birther or not a birther but what does Obama have to hid. Why is he being so secretive? What about his college transcripts….what about the funding of his education. There are way too many questions about this guy that he refuses to answer.
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
10:51 am
Ponder, I was born & raised in Detroit, so I really get it.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 22nd, 2011
10:51 am
Question: I bet there are a number of factors in common
Politics. Plain and simple. The area of education has become a warzone in our everyday political battles. That was not the case for previous generations. Our parents, and their parents, realized what the benefits were of having a good education, and they made sure that we had the system in place to gain that good education. Nowadays, people take that system that’s been in place for granted. It’s just considered automatic that everyone here has the same opportunity to gain the exact same education. Where we’ve failed is that we, unlike previous generations, have not maintained that system that was put in place long ago. Now, the entire spectrum of education is more political than it is education.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
10:51 am
Rightwing….I am the employer…..
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
10:52 am
“we live in Atlanta/Fulton County.”
Too many cons?
The Anti-Gnostic
April 22nd, 2011
10:52 am
“Compare similar failing or marginal school systems across the country, e.g., Atlanta, DC, other large urban settings, and I bet there are a number of factors in common…”
As Sen. Moynihan wryly observed, it must be something to do with their lack of proximity to the Canadian border.
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
10:53 am
Rightwing Troll
April 22nd, 2011
10:50 am
“Do any of you libs work? How many of you are sticking it to your employer right now, please raise your hands. Don’t worry I know that you expect everything for free, even your wages.”
As the board fills up with “conservative” comments… Irony? or Hypocrisy? or both?
Neither, retired, and you?
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
10:53 am
“because the Demons and black”
white flour!
Go Donald Go
April 22nd, 2011
10:54 am
getalife
Keep up the great work, you are relentless, the birther movement is the canary in a coal mine, these dupes are the republican party, what a tragic, real, shame…..the donald will use them and play them like a harpie///////
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
10:56 am
Getalife….are these the educated leftys that you were referring to?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec0_1303444048
Rightwing Troll
April 22nd, 2011
10:56 am
Self employed… been so for almost 9 years, in spite of what W did to the economy…
So it’s NOT ironic that you whine about liberals commenting on a liberal blog during work hours at about the same time it fills up with “conservative” comments (during work hours)? Or is it the usual “conservative” double standard?
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
10:56 am
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 22nd, 2011
10:51 am
Question: I bet there are a number of factors in common
Politics. Plain and simple. The area of education has become a warzone in our everyday political battles. That was not the case for previous generations. Our parents, and their parents, realized what the benefits were of having a good education, and they made sure that we had the system in place to gain that good education. Nowadays, people take that system that’s been in place for granted. It’s just considered automatic that everyone here has the same opportunity to gain the exact same education. Where we’ve failed is that we, unlike previous generations, have not maintained that system that was put in place long ago. Now, the entire spectrum of education is more political than it is education.
SOCO, While I don’t always see eye to eye with you, this is one of your better posts and I totally agree with you, now if only we could get GetaLife to post something as good.
Left wing management
April 22nd, 2011
10:57 am
poison pen: “Damn, you guys lost and still can’t get over it. Do any of you libs work? How many of you are sticking it to your employer right now”
What’s a “lib” dude ?
So many heads full of intellectual stuffing, like thanksgiving turkeys, instead of actual thoughts.
maude
April 22nd, 2011
10:58 am
How does anyone take conservatives seriously when they want to simulataneously force women to bear children they don’t want while stripping both the mother and unwanted child of healthcare?
Midori
April 22nd, 2011
11:00 am
Getalife,
did you see Mike’s toon today?
Self_Made
April 22nd, 2011
11:01 am
I hate to show up at these things past page 2. Typical Dumb, Dumber, and Dumber-er going back and forth over crap that doesn’t even matter here. I was in the gallery during the debate on this. It nullifies elections without the due process of voter recall. It’s an end around designed by the party in power (which party is irrelevant, both parties resort to the same tacticts when they hold the gavel/executive office) to have their will done when and where they don’t hold power. Still, the Republican reps kept howling about “office holders are not entitled to their elected office”. NO, but the VOTERS are the ones who should decide whether or not they should be removed, not SACS and the Governor (even if he is acting as proxy for Kasim Reed).
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:01 am
Maude….yeah murder is so much better! hahahaah.
Dave R.
April 22nd, 2011
11:04 am
getaclue: “Why are half the gop voters birthers? Because they are uneducated and can’t think for themselves.”
Why are most libs, getaclue, and Hope & Punt ™ liars when it comes to Paul Ryan’s plan to save Medicare?
Because the only way they can make an argument against it is to lie. Politifact today gave the claim that Ryan’s plan would “kill Medicare” their lowest rating of “Pants on Fire”.
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
11:06 am
“donald will use them and play them like a harpie”
Thanks for another example to prove my point.They fell for a publicity stunt.
Midori,
Perfect toon
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:07 am
That publicity stunt is in a dead heat with Obama in the polls…..hahahah isnt it great!
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
11:07 am
dave,
“Paul Ryan’s plan to save Medicare?”
ryan’s death budget ends Medicare.
Stop lying.
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
11:08 am
“That publicity stunt is in a dead heat with Obama in the polls…..hahahah isnt it great!”
It proves my point ug.
Midori
April 22nd, 2011
11:08 am
Also Getalife – in regards to that totally awesome, gosh darnit plan of Ryan’s:
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/04/21/gop-congressmen-town-hall-backlash/
dumbcrkr
April 22nd, 2011
11:10 am
UGA1999
Can you respond intelligently to Maude’s question?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:11 am
HAHAHA THINKPROGRESS.ORG…..yeah that is not a biased publication….keep believing the lies. Good job demons!
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
11:13 am
Midori,
I think there are no gop candidates running because of the backlash they will face.
They have to stand there and get yelled at.
Karma.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:13 am
JAY….please ban “dumbcrkr” for obvious reasons!
Midori
April 22nd, 2011
11:14 am
why don’t you try actually WATCHING the video before ridiculing the source?
that all you got? apparently it is.
Midori
April 22nd, 2011
11:15 am
Jay – please ban UGA for even more obvious reasons.
Dana Blankenhorn
April 22nd, 2011
11:15 am
Thanks for making the connection between Harvard and Rhee. These are the most famous school reformers of the last half-decade. Rhee was held up as a model by conservatives, Harvard by many liberals.
Both cheated, because standardized tests were used as the measure of progress, and you can fake those.
The lesson is you need other measures if you’re going to judge teachers, administrators and school districts’ academic progress.
One more point. These tests were always seen as a short-cut to excellence in the No Child Left Behind law. I was taught in school that there are no short-cuts. I think most other readers were, too. So not all the blame belongs to Rhee and Harvard. We should all be looking in the mirror.
AmVet
April 22nd, 2011
11:15 am
Well, pen, we shall see.
And given that you were the one to bring up the topic of posts with no facts in them, you’re not off to a good start.
The first eight posts after your reply to me had ZERO facts in them.
Lots of opinions, insults and snarkiness, but no relevant data, information or facts.
Here let me show you how that works.
In this ranking, Georgia is 41st:
http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm
Also, Georgia ranks 45th based on SAT scores and 47th based on Averaged Freshman Graduation Rate for Public High School Students.
(Those are facts.)
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:16 am
Midori….what reasons would those be? Come up chump explain.
Fletch
April 22nd, 2011
11:16 am
Keep voting Democrat! That makes 3 of 5 school boards in the metro area either dis-accreditated or under review over the last few years. You’ll notice that this doesn’t happen in heavily Republican areas…
Deal didn’t take this over for his ego or “big government hypocrisy” as some on here have claimed. He took it over because the governing body of the largest school system in his state is totally hapless.
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
11:16 am
Left wing management
“The real issue was Southern Democrat vs Northern Democrat.”
The most violent race riots in the country were not in Selma Alabama, they were in South Boston and lasted for 12 years. Bedford Stivenson, NY, South Chicago, the list goes on and on. The myth that segregation was just about Southern Democrats is convenient, but absolutely untrue.
George Wallace ran for president as a democrat and made some headway in the North. Sorry, but you are the one spouting the myth.
As far as my googling to prove your point, that’s not going to happen. If you have anything that disproves what i have said, please present it. I know that you don’t like what I am saying, but so far your ability to disprove what I am saying has resulted in absolutely nothing.
So one more time: Please point out where Democrats have worked for integration in a real and concrete way such as the Republican’s efforts in school vouchers.
dumbcrkr
April 22nd, 2011
11:18 am
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:13 am
JAY….please ban “dumbcrkr” for obvious reasons!
Cry baby!
Paulo977
April 22nd, 2011
11:19 am
Mr_B
“As long as we rely on standardized testing to determine wheter or not our children have been “educated,” villanize teachers who can’t ” Well said , these are prisons we are operating NOT places where the young are nurtured and provided a stimulating climate within which to explore and discuss what makes the world go round!!!
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:22 am
Why are none of the black or white bloggers demanding a ban of dumbcrkr….come on lets talk about a double standard.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 22nd, 2011
11:22 am
poison pen
Appreciated. I just call it as I see it, and I can’t recall the educational area being anywhere near this political when I was in school, and I saw Reagan get sworn in at a school assembly. Things have changed dramatically in the past 30 years.
Dave R.
April 22nd, 2011
11:24 am
“ryan’s death budget ends Medicare. Stop lying”
Unbiased Politifact disagrees with you.
Completely.
Totally.
Good little liberal
April 22nd, 2011
11:24 am
maude
“How does anyone take conservatives seriously when they want to simulataneously force women to bear children they don’t want while stripping both the mother and unwanted child of healthcare?”
Would it be OK to kill a child up to a certain age if the child’s mother decided that she didn’t want to raise that child? Why end the mother’s relief option at birth? She may have better things to do than care for her child.
Who is striping anyone of healthcare?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
11:25 am
ug is bringing back the legal abortion is murder argument……except murder is defined by laws.
ug got a citation to law to prove your claim? you’re certainly not wowing anyone with your style.
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
11:27 am
“Why are none of the black or white bloggers demanding a ban of dumbcrkr….come on lets talk about a double standard.”
Why are you crying like a baby?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:27 am
Keep….how many counts of murder what Scott Checkoway convicted of?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:27 am
Keep….I meant Scott Peterson.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:28 am
Keep…..I would say this would sum it up pretty good….
mur·der/ˈmərdər/
Noun: The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:30 am
Getalife…..is this the intelligent leftist voter you were referring to?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4c9_1303414210
dumbcrkr
April 22nd, 2011
11:31 am
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
10:50 am
“Getalife….because the Demons and black are too uneducated”
And you’re whinning for what reason? Double standard?
Jackie
April 22nd, 2011
11:32 am
Let’s compare the schools in GA to those in NC. The Raleigh/Wake County schools are considered some of the best in the country, yet, they are being investigated because they went to the extreme of trying to implement a “choice option” in the system wherein folks that lived in gated communities wanted their children to attend schools only within that community.
The situation reached the point where the newly elected school board members forced the Superintendent to resign, even though he was considered among the best of the best, nationwide. The issue was not about academic achievement, but, about allowing the so-called conservatives free reign over school assignments.
Should the state have stepped in a taken away the authority of the school administration?
AmVet
April 22nd, 2011
11:32 am
Abortion is murder.
But ONLY in the Republican Dictionary of Made Up Definitions.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
11:32 am
ug…you have yet to cite a law. You cite a definition that starts “the unlawful”
SO where’s the law? You have 50 states and the US Fed Code to chose from. Show us that abortions permitted under Roe v Wade is murder.
PS: Scott Peterson killed a wife with unborn child. But if you have evidence that he was a doctor performing an abortion, please provide it.
atlmom
April 22nd, 2011
11:32 am
the reality is that deal only cares about places like atlanta…what about the failing rural systems (as jay pointed out)? there’s no cry for the gov’ner to do anything about that.
Why? well, i’ll let y’all figure it out.
Have we yet come to the conclusion that the way we’ve been doing things for many years isn’t working? Perhaps let’s try something radically different. We have no guarantee that hte people that deal chooses to run the schools will know any better how to do it than the people he’s replacing.
Jonas
April 22nd, 2011
11:33 am
Getalife- what the world really needs is another trash talking little man behind a blog. Go compute the square root of 3 and get back to us later.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:34 am
Keep….Scott killed his unborn child. Same as abortion = Murder…..
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:34 am
Jonas…..hahahah he is clueless.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:35 am
AmVet….in your opinion when does a child become a human?
dumbcrkr
April 22nd, 2011
11:36 am
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:34 am
Keep….Scott killed his unborn child. Same as abortion = Murder…..
You’re proving my point buddy.
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
11:37 am
Jay
April 22nd, 2011
8:24 am
First, MiltonMan, school board races are nonpartisan.
Furthermore I could take you to rural areas of the state dominated by Republicans where the test scores are just as bad as those in APS and in many cases worse.
The socio-economic status of the student body, not the political leaning of the school board, is the most accurate predictor of test scores. That is true in every state and every country and every era.-JB
Jay,
School board races may be non-partisan but let’s be real. Everyone knows that its Dems who control the Clayton, APS, and DeKalb systems. Nice try though. And we also know that Dems control all the abysmal, failing school systems in big cities throughout the nation.
So you could take us to rural areas in the state where Republicans control the school system where test scores are as bad or worse than APS and Clayton systems? Sorry but I’m calling BS on that. Sure, you might be able to find a very few but you and I both know that would be the exception and not the rule. But if we compare all the school systems academic achievement in Republican dominated school systems vs Dem led school systems the Republican area school systems would dominate. And I suspect you know that.
Furthermore if there are indeed school systems in Republican voting areas you are being misleading again. In many of those areas the county may vote Republican but the Republicans generally send their kids to the private schools- you haven’t spent much time in rural areas have you. And even if the Repubs do send their kids en masse to the the public school the overall test scores are lower you are not factoring in the fact that these much smaller school systems have dramatically less money to spend on a per pupil basis than say the APS.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:37 am
Why was he convicted of Double homicide????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Peterson
Jackie
April 22nd, 2011
11:38 am
Many organizations have looked at the budget proposed by Rep. Ryan(R-WI) and concluded that it would be a disaster for the country.
http://www.ombwatch.org/node/11590
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
11:38 am
jonas,
The world needs less cons.
Left wing management
April 22nd, 2011
11:38 am
Little Liberal: “The most violent race riots in the country were not in Selma Alabama, they were in South Boston and lasted for 12 years. Bedford Stivenson, NY, South Chicago, the list goes on and on.”
Why is the severity of a race riot the only indicator of the violent reality of segregation? And how are the race riots in Northern cities relevant to the question of the split between Northern and Southern Democrats?
Look, we’re talking past each other here. You’re trying to make this strictly about one single party, but my point was that the racial divide in this country is such a massive and old phenomenon that it way overshoots the scope of any single party, even as it has acted as a constant fault line that cuts through the two parties, often dividing them from within (or since the Civil War at least, from which time the current party structure of course originates).
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:39 am
Jackie….many organizations have reviewed the budget policies proposed by Obama and concluded that it would be a disaster for the country.
AmVet
April 22nd, 2011
11:39 am
UGA, by the very definition you provided you are in error.
Abortion in most instances is NOT unlawful.
And I’ve got real bad news for you. There is no going back to the days when it was.
As for your question, it is above my pay grade. There are legal definitions, there are philosophical definitions, there are religious definitions.
But according to the old Jewish joke, “life begins when they go off to college”…
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
11:39 am
AmVet
April 22nd, 2011
11:32 am
Abortion is murder.
But ONLY in the Republican Dictionary of Made Up Definitions.
AmVet, it’s time for your meds. I believe a Woman has the right to do with her body what she wants to, but I still think killing a baby is murder. Please tell us what it is, O GREAT SWAMI.
willie lynch
April 22nd, 2011
11:40 am
The sad part is no one pays attention to school board elections so there’s normally no strong critique by the voters of those who stand to be elected.
maude
April 22nd, 2011
11:40 am
The con-bloggers seriously damage Georgia’s hard-won reputation as a progressive, broad-minded, mecca of tolerance.
Jackie
April 22nd, 2011
11:41 am
@UGA
Show the link that would prove your point.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:41 am
History of party presidential elections…
Repubs 18
Dems 16
WINNING!!!
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:42 am
AmVet…so do you choose to live under the law or philosophically?
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
11:42 am
keep up the good fight,
One thing I’ve found kind of odd over the years is that when someone kills a woman and she happens to be pregnant- whether it be 1 week or 8 months- that person is charged with 2 murders. We see this on a frequent basis. Please explain to me why if a man kills a woman who is 1- 2 months pregnant he is charged with 2 murders but if the woman aborts the child the first trimester it was never a life to begin with. Please splain the inconsistency.
dumbcrkr
April 22nd, 2011
11:42 am
Has the Supreme Court said abortion is murder?
AmVet
April 22nd, 2011
11:42 am
“…but I still think…”
More bad news, pen.
The law of the land does not care what you think.
(That makes nine straight fact-free posts, BTW…)
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
11:43 am
Ug…Scott Peterson was not a doctor performing a lawful procedure within Roe v Wade. But again if this is your claim show that the statute he was convicted under applies to lawful abortion. Provide the statute or the case that shows a doctor charged for murder for performing a lawful abortion.
You’re blowing a lot of hot air but you are not backing up your claim of murder.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:44 am
Jackie….How many would you like….
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/21/budget-panel-obama-deficit-plan-saves-advertised/
http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2011/04/21/budget-group-new-obama-budget-plan-would-fail-cause-tax-trigger-to-be-pulled/
I can keep going if you like?
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
11:44 am
doom,
The right to choose.
It will not change so why argue about it.
Deal with it.
atlmom
April 22nd, 2011
11:44 am
there are plenty of charter schools in poor areas that are flourishing. so don’t give me the whole: well, if they’re poor, they’re not going to do well.
Go watch waiting for superman. fascinating.
the problem is we seem to have a one size fits all answer. and it’s not working. we can show how after decades it’s not working.
oh, another thing, go read to kill a mockingbird. one small thing in there is an implication on our education system. from 50 years ago (yes, the book takes place earlier than that, but it was written about 50 years ago). it is interesting – a tiny part of the book, but it was eye opening when i read it.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:44 am
Keep….please revisit the legal definition of murder that I posted earlier….then read your post…..hahaha Too easy.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:45 am
Getalife….you do realize that once upon a time slavery was legal as well. It changed….the abortion law will change as well.
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
11:46 am
ug,
The President’s budget does not end Medicare.
Winning.
Duh.
Don't Tread
April 22nd, 2011
11:46 am
You can elect a new governor, sack school boards, threaten teachers and principals, bus the kids around, and throw tons of money at the schools, but all of that is just like putting a band-aid on a severed leg.
The root cause of this (and most other ills of society, if you really think about it) is people having kids, who have no business having kids.
dumbcrkr
April 22nd, 2011
11:46 am
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:44 am
Keep….please revisit the legal definition of murder that I posted earlier….then read your post…..hahaha Too easy.
So then turning off someone’s life support system would be murder?
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
11:47 am
US leaves drone base in Pakistan.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
11:47 am
Doom, why don’t you research it. You can read Roe v Wade, look at medical procedures and decisions and then look at what happens when a man murders a pregnant woman and tell me whether that action meet the standards of Roe v Wade and the case law. I am sure that the many anti-abortion cites can lay out the arguments for you if you research or have you come up with something new that they never thought of….. go for it.
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
11:47 am
AmVet
April 22nd, 2011
11:42 am
“…but I still think…”
More bad news, pen.
The law of the land does not care what you think.
(That makes nine straight fact-free posts, BTW…)
AmVet, I think I hit the fact on the head about your MEDS.
Why do I scare you so much that you need to count my posts, are you that lame or did you miss your MEDS yesterday also?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:47 am
Getalife….so you feel that the entire economy can go to hell. As long as Medicare stays in tact? Great logic pal.
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
11:49 am
“people having kids, who have no business having kids.”
So, you are pro choice.
Left wing management
April 22nd, 2011
11:49 am
Don’t Tread: “The root cause of this (and most other ills of society, if you really think about it) is people having kids, who have no business having kids.”
And let me guess: YOU’RE the one who’s qualified to say who has any business having kids.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
11:49 am
ug…you’re spinning in circles. Your definition presumes unlawful. Abortion is lawful. You do know that they are two different words..lawful v unlawful.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
11:49 am
ug…you’re spinning in circles. Your definition presumes unlawful. Abortion is lawful. You do know that they are two different words..lawful v unlawful.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
11:49 am
So good I had to say it twice….
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
11:50 am
ug,
We don’t need to end Medicare silly.
The adults will balance our budget again and your party will blow it again.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:51 am
Keep….so to you is murder legal or illegal…>you cant have it both ways. The law in itself is contradictory.
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
11:52 am
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
11:49 am
ug…you’re spinning in circles. Your definition presumes unlawful. Abortion is lawful. You do know that they are two different words..lawful v unlawful.
Do you know the difference between legal and illegal?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:52 am
Getalife…..yep Obama has done a great job of doing it so far. hahahaha keep up the good work.
The funny thing is while your party is leaving him….you still fight for his every word. Blind faith some call it. I call it ignorance.
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
11:52 am
ug,
The law will not change so stop crying about it.
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
11:52 am
One thing I’ve found kind of odd over the years is that when someone kills a woman and she happens to be pregnant- whether it be 1 week or 8 months- that person is charged with 2 murders. We see this on a frequent basis. Please explain to me why if a man kills a woman who is 1- 2 months pregnant he is charged with 2 murders but if the woman aborts the child the first trimester it was never a life to begin with. Please splain the inconsistency.
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
11:52 am
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
11:52 am
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
11:49 am
ug…you’re spinning in circles. Your definition presumes unlawful. Abortion is lawful. You do know that they are two different words..lawful v unlawful.
Do you know the difference between legal and illegal?
I had to say it twice also.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:53 am
Getalife….the slavery law??? NEWSFLASH….IT HAS!
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
11:53 am
“I call it ignorance.”
Yeah, cons voting to end their own Medicare is ignorant.
getalife
April 22nd, 2011
11:54 am
ug,
Roe vs Wade silly.
Are you wow or just his clone?
Jackie
April 22nd, 2011
11:55 am
@UGA
How about this from a source other than FOX.
The Reuters blog you posted certainly indicates that Paul Ryan will destroy Medicare / MedicAid, take money that Sec. Gates identified as savings and put it $100 Billion back into combat capabilities.
The gist of the Ryan budget is to revert to 2008 spending levels, as percentage of GDP. First, the population has grown, secondly, the recession was in full bloom at that time and as you know, the Supply / Demand curve is distorted. There was very little spending by the government and the private sector because there was a huge hole in our work force population.
What do you think?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
11:55 am
Getalife….no cons voting to help the overall economy is called genius.
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
11:56 am
The adults will balance our budget again and your party will blow it again.- getalife
Getalife,
Hmmm. The adults will balance the budget? Um. Then why has Obama added nearly 5 trillion in new debt and why does his own administration forecast deficits through the year 2020? His own administration mind you. Please explain that bit about the adults balancing the budget again. Because according to Obama’s own administration’s numbers you certainly are not talking about him balancing the budget- btw FY 2011 budget deficit is 1.65 trillion dollars.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
11:57 am
Ug..you have yet to provide a law. Murder is a crime defined by law.
Here is an example:
The following is a example of a state statute dealing with murder:
2903.02. Murder.
No person shall purposely cause the death of another or the unlawful termination of another’s pregnancy.
No person shall cause the death of another as a proximate result of the offender’s committing or attempting to commit an offense of violence that is a felony of the first or second degree and that is not a violation of section 2903.03 or 2903.04 of the Revised Code.
Division (B) of this section does not apply to an offense that becomes a felony of the first or second degree only if the offender previously has been convicted of that offense or another specified offense.
Whoever violates this section is guilty of murder, and shall be punished as provided in section 2929.02 of the Revised Code.
Now again got anything to back your assertion that lawful abortion is legally defined as murder?
AmVet
April 22nd, 2011
11:57 am
In more than three decades since its 1973 Roe v. Wade decision legalizing abortion, the Supreme Court has weighed in on the issue another two-dozen times.
It has repeatedly upheld Roe’s central holding: that the U.S. Constitution guarantees a right of privacy that includes a woman’s right to have an abortion during the first thirteen weeks of pregnancy, and later to safeguard the woman’s life or health.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5029934
Educate yourselves, would be Perry Masons…
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
12:02 pm
Jackie,
“The population has grown from 2008 to 2011?”. Um. Yes. But only slightly. That is an obscenely ridiculous point. Try again
“There was very little spending by the government and the private sector because there was a huge hole in our work force population. “- Jackie. Very little spending by the govt or private sector? Um. What planet are you living on? If there was “very little” spending then why were we running enormous deficits if there was “very little spending”? The economy was still 13 or 14 trillion even with a recession. Is 13 or 14 trillion “very little spending”. You get an F in economics. FAIL.
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
12:05 pm
Keep up the good fight,
Please explain to me once again why if a woman aborts a fetus in the first 3 months its as if the fetus never existed as a life but if she is murdered then murderer is charged with not one but two murders because that same fetus counts as a human being. Its these sneaky inconsistencies that keep me awake at night.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
12:07 pm
Keep…>YES by your own definition…..you proved my point. Thank you.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
12:08 pm
AmVet, one one hand you’re absolutely right in what you posted @ 11.57; however, we can’t really ignore the death-of-a-thousand-cuts the antichoice right have attempted to inflict upon Roe, especially of late.
Dalia Lithwick has a somewhat misleadingly headlined piece about it here:
http://www.slate.com/id/2291596/
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…There are new regulations in Utah and Virginia governing abortion clinics. Legislation has been introduced in 13 states requiring that women have an ultrasound procedure before having an abortion—and in seven of those states, the woman must view the fetus and listen to a detailed verbal description as well. Measures have been introduced in 17 states copying a Nebraska law banning abortion at 20 weeks, on the theory—again based on questionable medical data—that this is when a fetus can feel pain.
It hardly bears observing here that most of these measures are against the law. That law is Roe v. Wade. Making abortion illegal after 18 or 20 weeks doesn’t meet the viability test that was laid out in Roe, and 72-hour waiting periods and doing away with health exceptions for the mother would also violate both Roe and its progeny.
Abortion opponents don’t bother to deny this. As the Rev. Pat Mahoney, director of the Christian Defense Coalition, told CBN news: “We don’t have to see a Roe v. Wade overturned in the Supreme Court to end it. … We want to. But if we chip away and chip away, we’ll find out that Roe really has no impact. And that’s what we are doing.”
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they break the law and brag about it. That’s their strategy. Sooner or later these jerks will have to be taken head on, but I can understand the current Dem. leadership picking its battles carefully.
I heard Lithwick interviewed yesterday; she pointed out (as I often do) that actual public opinion really hasn’t budget at all on Roe–a pretty big majority supported it in 1973, and still do today. Obviously, though, the pockets of resistance are incredibly dug-in and willing to do about anything they have to (including domestic terrorism and murder) to advance their objectives.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
12:08 pm
Doom…read Roe v Wade and above info. Its obvious you are responding without taking the time to research yourself when I have provided the information. I dont get paid to give you a legal education.
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
12:09 pm
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
12:05 pm
Keep up the good fight,
Please explain to me once again why if a woman aborts a fetus in the first 3 months its as if the fetus never existed as a life but if she is murdered then murderer is charged with not one but two murders because that same fetus counts as a human being. Its these sneaky inconsistencies that keep me awake at night.
Thulsa, it’s because Libs have little regard for life, it’s the majority of Libs that have the abortions.
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
12:09 pm
“hasn’t budged,” not “budget”…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
12:09 pm
ug….. you fail to wow. you have nothing but hot air. buh-bye.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
12:10 pm
Keep….I am just asking you…..at what point does a embryo become a human?
AmVet
April 22nd, 2011
12:10 pm
A reactionary is a somnambulist walking backwards. Franklin D. Roosevelt
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
12:10 pm
if a woman aborts a fetus in the first 3 months its as if the fetus never existed
1) it’s not a “fetus” in the first trimester, and
2) nobody said it didn’t exist. It simply doesn’t have personhood, and if you want it to have such rights of citizenship, amend the constitution already. good luck with that.
Dave R.
April 22nd, 2011
12:13 pm
“The President’s budget does not end Medicare.”
Neither does Ryan’s as Politifact rates.
The difference is that Ryan’s gets to balance eventually (not as fast as I’d like it, however), while Hope & Punt’s ™ never quite gets us there.
Dave R.
April 22nd, 2011
12:15 pm
“There was very little spending by the government . . .”
$3 TRILLION not enough for you, Jackie?
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
12:15 pm
If the cons were so evil we would put 100 abortion clinics in every major city and sit back and watch, because in ten years we would be the ruling party for a century.
willie lynch
April 22nd, 2011
12:18 pm
Doom,
You should get some rest. The law of the land has not determined a doctor assisted termination of pregnancy to be murder. A brazen criminal act of taking the life of another and that person is with child has been determined in some states to be a double homocide. This is not the law of the country but of individual states.
Dave R.
April 22nd, 2011
12:20 pm
“at what point does a embryo become a human?”
Wrong question, UGA.
Right question: At what point does an embryo become subject to our laws?
Only citizens are subject to laws. Therefore, until that – pick your name accordingly, fetus, baby, child, embryo – is downloaded and has a birth certificate, its not a citizen nor subject to laws.
willie lynch
April 22nd, 2011
12:21 pm
Do they have a party affiliation question on abortion clinic questionaires?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
12:22 pm
Dave R. So you are saying that illegal aliens are not subject to our laws?
HDB
April 22nd, 2011
12:23 pm
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
12:05 pm
“Please explain to me once again why if a woman aborts a fetus in the first 3 months its as if the fetus never existed as a life but if she is murdered then murderer is charged with not one but two murders because that same fetus counts as a human being.”
To interject here: the inconsistency occurs due to the ASSUMPTION of CHOICE!! If a woman is pregnant, it is assumed that she will CHOOSE to take the pregnancy full term. That basic assumption is what leads to the charge of infanticide when a pregnant woman loses her life due to unnatural means (murder, involuntary homicide….). In the casse of an abortion, however, the woman is exercising her CHOICE to terminate a pregnancy; THAT choice then changes the fetal status.
Not an inconsistency IF you recognize the assumption of choice in legal situations…..
Dave R.
April 22nd, 2011
12:24 pm
The mere fact that they are “illegal” shows that they are, however, that straw-man doesn’t fly, as they are “citizens” somewhere else.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
12:26 pm
Dave R…..not based on your previous comment.
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
12:26 pm
The fact is that the law for abortion may not ever change and probably wont. However that does not change the moral or biblical arguement.
HDB
April 22nd, 2011
12:30 pm
poison pen
April 22nd, 2011
12:09 pm
“Thulsa, it’s because Libs have little regard for life, it’s the majority of Libs that have the abortions.
12:15 pm
If the cons were so evil we would put 100 abortion clinics in every major city and sit back and watch, because in ten years we would be the ruling party for a century.”
Think you may be a bit off there; remember, prior to R v W, those who were having the preponderance of abortions were those of MEANS who could fly to where abortions were legal!! Primarily, it was conservatives faced with the stigma of an unwanted pregnancy that were the primary bebefactors of abortions. Since R v W, it has been about an equal distribution between conservatives and liberals who have the procedure. It is NOT because of the disregard for life….but the regard for CHOICE!! If conservatives had such a regard for LIFE, they would not be so against increased funding for WIC, TANF….programs that assist the poorer ends of society to work toward self-sufficiency…..
willie lynch
April 22nd, 2011
12:32 pm
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
12:26 pm
The biblical argument that abortion is wrong, only applies to those who believe in the bible. But your point does raise the question. In this Christian nation, why are so many Christians getting abortions?
UGA1999
April 22nd, 2011
12:33 pm
Willie….sad isnt it?
Kamchak
April 22nd, 2011
12:35 pm
Tick…tick…tick…., yet again.
Also — it’s beginning to smell swampy in here.
MiltonMan
April 22nd, 2011
12:54 pm
AmWay “the defender of abortion” giving cons the grief about taking away abortion rights??? Do you feel the same about your fellow Demorats who are constantly trying to overturn the 2nd Amendment pal?
Typical Liberal – picks & chooses only what their little pea brain can comprehend.
MiltonMan
April 22nd, 2011
12:55 pm
Willie please let us know what Christians are having abortions. Based on your post, I assume you personally know lots of them?
oldguy
April 22nd, 2011
12:58 pm
Lets see;
Jay’s solution is……..Dump more public tax money into the system and it will “get better”. Pay the teachers more. Reduce the size of classes.
Don’t dare try to test to see if the graduates can spell DUH
Buy more high tech equipment.
There, problem solved!
oldguy
April 22nd, 2011
1:05 pm
Jay,
Why is there an almost inverse relationship in the money spent per student and the achievement level of the students?
EX: DC Public schools spend more per student than any other system, they must be having great success!
Check the public schools in Warner Robins VS Atlanta WR spends much less per student and graduates many more College eligible seniors.
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
1:19 pm
stands for decibels
April 22nd, 2011
12:10 pm
if a woman aborts a fetus in the first 3 months its as if the fetus never existed
1) it’s not a “fetus” in the first trimester
Stands for decibels,
Not a fetus? Ok. Then what is it? A lifeless blob?
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
1:21 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 22nd, 2011
12:08 pm
Doom…read Roe v Wade and above info. Its obvious you are responding without taking the time to research yourself when I have provided the information. I dont get paid to give you a legal education.
Keep up,
I know Roe v Wade. I just wanted a common sense answer from you on this obvious inconsistency. And apparently that seems to much to ask for.
Thulsa Doom
April 22nd, 2011
1:28 pm
HDB at 12:23,
Well at least you answered the question. Now I get it. Its comes down to choice. If the woman chooses to abort the baby then its okay. Its not murder.
That presents an interesting hypothetical that I’m sure has happened several times. Lets say a woman finds out she is a few weeks or a month or so pregnant and makes the decision that in another month when she gets the money she is going to abort the pregnancy and she tells her friends and confidants this and sets up an appointment with planned parenthood to terminate pregnancy. She then is murdered in a heated argument, carjacking, robbery, whatever. Does the murderer still get charged with 2 murders or only 1 since the woman was planning to abort the fetus anyway and it can be proven she was going to abort the fetus?
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
April 22nd, 2011
2:13 pm
Of cours they DON’T get the message. Just more tax dollars WASTED. BTW, Happy Good Friday, Holy Saturday and Easter Sunday. It’s NOT about the colored eggs.
DawgDad
April 22nd, 2011
3:22 pm
I believe there are State and perhaps Federal laws mandating kids attend school until they reach a certain age. Thus, the State has an rightful place in ensuring the interests of the State, the kids, and their parents are served. There is clear corruption at play in APS and other school districts; the State has a right and a need to step in and lower the hammer. So far they’ve stepped in very reluctantly and largely with a white glove. About time for the hammer.
The political lessons here are so blatantly obvious as to not even be worth discussing. The question that needs our attention as a society is why are large segments of the population so utterly self-destructive, and what can reasonably be done to provide their kids with a ray of hope for the future? Pretty clear government is NOT the answer.
Roybama
April 22nd, 2011
6:38 pm
And ole Nate called me “King Roy”. Kind of ironic, isn’t it? So, all you teachers rallied against me because I tried to make you earn your pay. How’s that working out for ya?
Honest Abe
April 22nd, 2011
6:53 pm
I shake my head when do gooder’s rant about “give the poor schools more money”, they may be shocked to learn that Atlanta City schools receives more per student than any school system in the state. For example Title 1 money -federal dollars –allocated to schools with “poor” students -actually those that receive FREE lunch–well actually those that receive FREE lunch and breakfast–well actually those that receive FREE breakfast ,lunch and tutoring -well actually —never mind you get the picture –from actual taxpayers -amounts to about 40 million dollars per year or close to $1,000 per student per year. And they have also received another 39 million in “race to the top” -Obama vote buying money- funds-or another $800 or so per pupil. This is on top of all the other federal money, state money, local taxpayer money etc. that they receive.So with more than $1,800 per pupil to spend per pupil. Somehow they still manage to have poor performing schools, high dropout rates and have to cheat on the tests and dropout rates to make it appear they are doing a halfway decent job. Check out the palace on Trinity Street that houses enough support personnel to give each student their own support team to follow them in their classroom from k-12 and still have a bloated central office!
Tommy Jefferson
April 22nd, 2011
7:00 pm
Hey remember when the federal government expanded and added the Department of Education with it’s huge budget rules and regulations? Have you noticed how much education in the USA has improved since then? Didn’t think so.
Break the Cycle
April 23rd, 2011
6:30 pm
Honest Abe, please consider why the actual dollar per APS student does not equal $1,800.
When the federal, state and local $$s hit APS, it has to be “processed” through 130 Trinity Avenue. Before any funds reach the students, Dr. Hall and her staff first pay the downtown employees (many of whom are relatives of someone/sorority sisters/other drolls their salaries; then pay the contractors who are friends or “supporters”; pay the caterers who are friends, neighbors or relatives of someone iimportant; pay for pr services/the spin doctor to mask the truth about the CRCT cheating scandal; pay the bill to hide the CRCT cheating scandal….keep on going with the list of payments.
After all of these things are paid out, the funds leftover are allocated to education. Do the math, what is leftover for the APS students l’m sure won’t equal $1,800. If Dr. Hall and her staff had done their jobs right the past 12 years, then more money could be used for the students.
The ABE should have learned a few things: (1) they are dealing with crooks (in the form of Dr. Hall, the 4 and the business community) who have and continue to steal the educational futures of the children of the city of Atlanta; (2) by doing the right things by the children, they are sticking their heads in the guillotoine for Dr. Hall, the 4 and the business community to chop off; (3) the 4 would rather have the entire board kicked out of office so that the business community can capture the board vote necessary to pick the next supertintendent to start the cycle of educational corruption over again.
I hope the ABE learns to break the cycle before it’s too late.