Why does GOP want to protect tax cheats?

…pulling cops off the beat to ensure that those breaking the law are not caught.

Sounds suspiciously familiar.

Kinda like the ethics commission losing it’s ability to warn about infractions.

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Just for sheets and gaggles, here’s a neat little toy for comparing effective tax rates between time periods stretching from the present back to World War II ( great for use in clobbering the righties over the head with facts ) :

http://www.remappingdebate.org/map-data-tool/new-interactive-tool-puts-tax-rates-historical-context

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And if Geitner and others with their tax accountants and others cannot get their taxes correct, then Geitner stands as an example for why we should increase enforcement and auditing of returns while we simplify the IRS Code.

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Listen to the joy in Neal Boortz’s voice…

Can’t I just stick red-hot pokers in my ears instead?

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I love the fact that Geithner is THE name the GOP keeps throwing up, as their little tax cheat, on a pedestal even though his errors were identified and corrected. How about all the hedge fund managers using a loophole to get away with paying 17% or less in taxes or the much touted GE case that the Republicans seem to have decided to try to forget about now that Ryan’s yellow brick road plan is getting so much negative publicity from the GOP base or how about the folks with their money hidden in other countries for the sole purpose of avoiding paying taxes. Republicans! Nothing to envy there unless you admire greedy crooks.

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Tim Geitner sends his thanks to the Republicans for helping to protect tax cheats!

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Yo Elder –

He didn’t correct it until AFTER he was nominated by obozo. And, when he took the $ to start with, he signed on the dotted line that he was responsible for the taxes. And yet geitner the a– clown is in charge of the irs!!! What a boob!

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The GOP is a disaster wanting to happen.

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We have a problem with a broken tax code that no one understands,

Obviously, there are some who understand it completely or else GE would have a tax bill. The problem with our tax code is much the same as in other areas. We have allowed Congress to abdicate their legislative duties in actually writing legislation to those who are affected by the legislation.

The best way to end all our problems is to remove the source of the problem, outside influence through $$$. Remove the outside money, and our legislators have no reason to continue to whore themselves out to the highest bidder.

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I love this silly notion Democrats have that every government entity is operating on a shoestring budget and getting a herculean effort and result from every employee and department so if the budget ever gets cut in any way the first thing they have to do is layoff the most critical positions.

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“Bondaged themed lesbian strip club.”

gop fundraiser.

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dang, getalife, you’re on a roll!

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Rub and strip clubs.

Uh huh.

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Enforcement and simplification isues go away by enacting one, simple law.

And you all know what that is.

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Has anyone ever had atax audit performed?
If so, you taxes were not done properly, therefore you are technically a “tax cheat.”

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Fred

Okay, stipulating to that…. what would your reaction be if it were to occur that GE did not pay any taxes at some future point?

That’s the issue – peoples’ reactions.

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The IRS are cracking down on the people but not their donors.

It goes back to the nixon line that cheney made legal.

It is not illegal if they do it.

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Mary
Elizabeth
” and they are creating an America where most cannot rise. They know it. Most Americans don’t” And of course they have done a superb job of convincing the uninformed herds, through garbled logic, that they , are not “the working poor”!!!

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I was expecting the Thursday addition of the travelin post………too many heathens not off tomorrow?

Just a good example of why the tax code needs to be simplified…….yet when the debt commission came up with a plan, both sides swept it under the rug……………

Until then, Turbotax is your friend…………..it finds the loopholes for everybody……….

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“GE not paying taxes hoax”. That is priceless and level of naivete I haven’t seen in years. I agree with you on this one Jay. For every politician that makes their decisions based upon corporate support, I say fry them. Besides, look at GE’s employment numbers in this country and how they have outsourced millions of jobs to other countries just to raise their profit margin. Same with the “beloved” Apple and Microsoft.

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Dave R @ 6:09

“The truth is that the middle class in America is dying — and once it is gone it will be incredibly difficult to rebuild.” (See Below) Read particularly that subsection called “Giant Sucking Sound” at the end.

The Middle Class in America Is Radically Shrinking. Here Are the Stats to Prove it
Posted Jul 15, 2010 02:25pm EDT by Michael Snyder in Recession
Related: ^DJI, ^GSPC, SPY, MCD, WMT, XRT, DIA
.From The Business Insider

Editor’s note: Michael Snyder is editor of theeconomiccollapseblog.com

The 22 statistics detailed here prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the middle class is being systematically wiped out of existence in America.

The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer at a staggering rate. Once upon a time, the United States had the largest and most prosperous middle class in the history of the world, but now that is changing at a blinding pace.

So why are we witnessing such fundamental changes? Well, the globalism and “free trade” that our politicians and business leaders insisted would be so good for us have had some rather nasty side effects. It turns out that they didn’t tell us that the “global economy” would mean that middle class American workers would eventually have to directly compete for jobs with people on the other side of the world where there is no minimum wage and very few regulations. The big global corporations have greatly benefited by exploiting third world labor pools over the last several decades, but middle class American workers have increasingly found things to be very tough.

Here are the statistics to prove it:

• 83 percent of all U.S. stocks are in the hands of 1 percent of the people.
• 61 percent of Americans “always or usually” live paycheck to paycheck, which was up from 49 percent in 2008 and 43 percent in 2007.
• 66 percent of the income growth between 2001 and 2007 went to the top 1% of all Americans.
• 36 percent of Americans say that they don’t contribute anything to retirement savings.
• A staggering 43 percent of Americans have less than $10,000 saved up for retirement.
• 24 percent of American workers say that they have postponed their planned retirement age in the past year.
• Over 1.4 million Americans filed for personal bankruptcy in 2009, which represented a 32 percent increase over 2008.
• Only the top 5 percent of U.S. households have earned enough additional income to match the rise in housing costs since 1975.
• For the first time in U.S. history, banks own a greater share of residential housing net
worth in the United States than all individual Americans put together.
• In 1950, the ratio of the average executive’s paycheck to the average worker’s paycheck was about 30 to 1. Since the year 2000, that ratio has exploded to between 300 to 500 to one.
• As of 2007, the bottom 80 percent of American households held about 7% of the liquid financial assets.
• The bottom 50 percent of income earners in the United States now collectively own less than 1 percent of the nation’s wealth.
• Average Wall Street bonuses for 2009 were up 17 percent when compared with 2008.
• In the United States, the average federal worker now earns 60% MORE than the average worker in the private sector.
• The top 1 percent of U.S. households own nearly twice as much of America’s corporate wealth as they did just 15 years ago.
• In America today, the average time needed to find a job has risen to a record 35.2 weeks.
• More than 40 percent of Americans who actually are employed are now working in service jobs, which are often very low paying.
• or the first time in U.S. history, more than 40 million Americans are on food stamps, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture projects that number will go up to 43 million Americans in 2011.
• This is what American workers now must compete against: in China a garment worker makes approximately 86 cents an hour and in Cambodia a garment worker makes approximately 22 cents an hour.
• Approximately 21 percent of all children in the United States are living below the poverty line in 2010 – the highest rate in 20 years.
• Despite the financial crisis, the number of millionaires in the United States rose a whopping 16 percent to 7.8 million in 2009.
• The top 10 percent of Americans now earn around 50 percent of our national income.

Giant Sucking Sound

The reality is that no matter how smart, how strong, how educated or how hard working American workers are, they just cannot compete with people who are desperate to put in 10 to 12 hour days at less than a dollar an hour on the other side of the world. After all, what corporation in their right mind is going to pay an American worker 10 times more (plus benefits) to do the same job? The world is fundamentally changing. Wealth and power are rapidly becoming concentrated at the top and the big global corporations are making massive amounts of money. Meanwhile, the American middle class is being systematically wiped out of existence as U.S. workers are slowly being merged into the new “global” labor pool.

What do most Americans have to offer in the marketplace other than their labor? Not much. The truth is that most Americans are absolutely dependent on someone else giving them a job. But today, U.S. workers are “less attractive” than ever. Compared to the rest of the world, American workers are extremely expensive, and the government keeps passing more rules and regulations seemingly on a monthly basis that makes it even more difficult to conduct business in the United States.

So corporations are moving operations out of the U.S. at breathtaking speed. Since the U.S. government does not penalize them for doing so, there really is no incentive for them to stay.

What has developed is a situation where the people at the top are doing quite well, while most Americans are finding it increasingly difficult to make it. There are now about six unemployed Americans for every new job opening in the United States, and the number of “chronically unemployed” is absolutely soaring. There simply are not nearly enough jobs for everyone.

Many of those who are able to get jobs are finding that they are making less money than they used to. In fact, an increasingly large percentage of Americans are working at low wage retail and service jobs.

But you can’t raise a family on what you make flipping burgers at McDonald’s or on what you bring in from greeting customers down at the local Wal-Mart.

The truth is that the middle class in America is dying — and once it is gone it will be incredibly difficult to rebuild.

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SoCo, so who’s doing the perp-walk for GE?

Obama’s GE buddies?

Nope. So what they did was legal, right?

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Jay

Any idea of what held up my response to F. Sinkwich?

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Ensign is out and we have a liberal gop candidate that wants to legalize weed.

Things are getting better.

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Obama condemns corporations for not paying their fair share, then appoints Jeffrey Immelt of G.E. to oversee commerce.

That’s what I have a problem with.

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@@: “Obama condemns corporations for not paying their fair share, then appoints Jeffrey Immelt of G.E. to oversee commerce. / That’s what I have a problem with.”

Well, you’re not the only one.

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I’ve been with you on that.

An issue that cuts across party lines, ideology, and anything else.

It’d be interesting to hear who doesn’t have a problem with it.

Care to lay odds on which end of the spectrum they’re on?

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Actually, I’d be fine with it if Immelt were to resign as head of GE.

But he has no honor, so it will not happen.

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“Nobody broke the law”

and

“There was no law preventing us from doing it, so it was legal”

The same excuses offered by the Wall Street crooks before they crashed the system and unleashed misery on America.

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And of course, as part of its demands to end the budget standoff earlier this month, the GOP demanded and got $600 million in cuts from the IRS budget.

That reminds me…have the new IRS agents been hired to offer advice to small business owners and low-income families as it pertains to Obama’s health care law?

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@Lil Barry

Check out this link that indicates the rich are over-taxed.

http://constitutionalconservative.wordpress.com/myth-the-rich-dont-pay-their-fair-share/

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getalife- we have a liberal gop candidate that wants to legalize weed.

They should. The only reason I think it’s going to happen is because they will tax the hell out of it. (Marijuana has 20 times more tar than cigarettes). The problem will be the black market (like the one developing with cigarettes) to avoid the taxes. Otherwise, industrial hemp makes better alcohol than corn, better paper than trees, and better cloth than nylon. I don’t understand why anyone would want to make something like that available to the public?

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md @ 6:32

“But….I’m betting that if one prepared themselves properly, it wouldn’t matter how hard the test was……..same way with life……..that darned choices thing I have a problem with.”
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md,
Be sure to read my “long” post giving pertinent facts, and you will see that even if one tries to make the right choices in today’s world – the deck is more often than not stacked against them.

There are more grays in this world – and in the classroom – than blacks and whites.

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Carter wanted to decriminalize marijuana.

He also put solar panels on top of the White House

But then the BIG government Reaganista reactionaries happened and sent everything spiraling backwards a few decades…

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Still can’t find anything positive to write about your Idiot Messiah, eh? It’s been a great week for red herrings and straw men.

Pfffft..

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“So if they get two tax cuts, since two negatives make a positive, GE gets a tax rate increase, yes?”

No, still zero.

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SoCo,

One of you herculean government workers must have been monitoring me. As soon as I made that comment my service went down until just now.

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TaxPayer

any idea what it pays? If it pays enough, it’s okay, right?

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RW

They got me too because I’ve been trying to respond to Sinkwich for almost 30 mins. I’ve fed the blog monster about 3-5 posts now.

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any idea what it pays? If it pays enough, it’s okay, right?

Probably not much. I hear the place is run by a Libertarian named Koch.

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Jay, you have dropped too much acid when you were younger and stay off the weed. You are not thinking straight. The only people I know of not paying taxes are Democrats. We can name those. If you know some Republicans, name them. Anyone, Republican or Democrat who files a fraudulent return should be fined and jailed. What is missing here is a discussion of the AMT which my understanding is everyone has to pay a minimum tax. I don’t know anyone who thinks a family of 4 making $40k should be taxed, except maybe Obama. Obama is going to tax everyone if he increases taxes enough to cover his spending. Those cabinet members that forgot to pay their taxes belong in jail and your Congressman Rangel who writes the tax law you sre complaining about and claims to not know rental income is taxable is certifiable. Come on Jay, I like your column better when you are confessing your prior wrong position on Death Panels.

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Paul @7:05, along those lines, I want to give a big shout out to Lil Barry for arguably the most irrational post of all time – “Bush fixed the recession”.

That guy has some serious issues…

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This is commentary based on desperation. Obama’s approval is falling like a rock and the generic congressional ballot has the Democrats 3 pts. behind Republicans. November 2, 2010 will be tame in comparison to the 012 elections. The bad news, however, is that this incompetent administration can do a lot more further damage between now and then.

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Of course, no corporation really pays for the cost of goods. Or salaries. Or rent/mortgage. Or transportation costs. Or the cost for contractors. or for utilities. or for insurance. or for the thousands of other expenses.

They just raise the price of their products and the poor working stiffs end up paying the embedded cost for everything in the products they buy.

i.e. that silly “argument” is weak as water.

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“It is not the employer who pays the wages. Employers only handle the money. It is the customer who pays the wages.”
Henry Ford

Goes for taxes too

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Well Am….they don’t call it “cost of goods sold” for nothing……………..the price is set after they know the cost to produce it……….otherwise, they wouldn’t be around too long…..would they.

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Paul,

When you publish your Heritage report, just be careful about advertising the fact that you need a 2% unemployment rate along with who knows what else in order to achieve the results, even as bad as they are, in the Ryan yellow brick road map to prosperity for the wealthiest. Those guys try to keep stuff like that under wraps.

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Sorry, didn’t finish.

I just attributed your earlier response regarding the innuendo to

http://tinyurl.com/4y9a4rj

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TaxPayer 7:28

If Heritage pays me enough, I’ll use whatever unemployment rate I have to to make the numbers show that, not only does GE pay no tax, it’ll benefit the country when we pay them a few hundred million a year for… I’ll think of some good-sounding reason. Someone will believe it…..

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Paul

April 21st, 2011
6:01 pm

Fred

Okay, stipulating to that…. what would your reaction be if it were to occur that GE did not pay any taxes at some future point?

That’s the issue – peoples’ reactions.
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Paul. I don’t do what if’s I do TRUTH. If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle.

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md @ 7:13

“Lift them up with where they can go, don’t keep them down by telling them the odds are they can’t succeed………..”

“I spent 35 years of my life “lifting them up.” I have previously described – in great detail – how I did that, and how my students, their parents, and my administrators were pleased with my efforts in behalf of my students – as well as students throughout the school.

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“Life isn’t fair….or easy…….but giving one an out through excuses isn’t very teacher like.”

I never gave my students an “out through excuses.” I simply tried to see into them with as much depth and insight as I could muster. I encouraged them to do better; I did not condemn them.

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“If I thought like you write, I’d still be poorer than dirt………..” Actually, I gave my students the verbal skills needed to compete in this world, and was thanked many times for doing so.

My energies and life force were spent in “lifting” others, not in accruing wealth. But, then, that is exactly what I wanted with my life. I have enough money to enjoy my life – in my own way. I never sought wealth. We all die one day, and – in the end – we remember the love we left, not the money we accrued. The Judd’s sang, “Love Can Build a Bridge.” I was a builder because I first loved.

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You continue to misunderstand my thinking, md. I think you are looking at my thoughts through stereotypical lens – if I may say so – to try to help you see my actual vision.

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Someone will believe it…..

So true.

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Del

I think they are both equally liable for the situation we’re in. Legislators only enacted laws that they were lobbied to enact. It wasn’t you or I who lobbied for these laws, it was those who had the money to pay for the influence.

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“he couldn’t pronounce the word nucleur”

From he who cannot spell nucleAr

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There is a documentary on public television this evening about Alexander Hamilton – speaking of money – at 9 p.m.

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Evenin’ Paul…Yep project keeping me busy. We’re trying to bring something like 400 applications into our organization to provision and maintain the user base to ensure people have the access they need, and those that don’t need it don’t have it. Going to be a long term project, no doubt! And it was VERY taxing today!

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Pretty sad, Jay.

Which conservatives have been applauding tax cheats? Maybe I’ve just never seen it. I sure have seen you libs defending the insurance company profits and the actions of GE.

Sounds a tad desperate. And pal, you have almost two full years to go. How desperate will you be in 2012?

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Ensign resigns effect 5.3, not waiting til the end of his term

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Mighty Righty

be careful about using the term Blood Bath. Some lib might read it and start putting on camo and loading up like the guy did in Arizona.

Stay with terms that scare liberals like: it will be another dodge ball game or it will be another wiffle ball game.

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JB wrote, in part:
Back in 2001, the most recent year for which estimates are available, almost $300 billion in taxes owed went uncollected.

I beg to differ. See article from Huff below. I checked the GAO website. The $330 million figure came from IRS.

article summary:
Federal Tax Collection GAO-11-272 March 10, 2011

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from: huffingtonpost 04-11-2011

IRS Funding Cut Days Before Report Shows $330 Billion In Uncollected Taxes

WASHINGTON — As part of the budget deal hashed out on Friday evening, lawmakers agreed that no additional federal funds would be used to hire new IRS agents.

Then on Monday, the Government Accountability Office publicly released a study showing that, as of the end of fiscal year 2010, roughly $330 billion in federal taxes had never been paid — an amount that, if collected, would represent nearly nine times the amount of savings as the budget itself.

The dual developments aren’t shocking. Despite evidence that a single dollar spent on enforcing the tax code could result in up to ten dollars in revenue, politicians, naturally, are reluctant to align themselves with tax collectors.

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The problem with todays conservatives is that there is nothing conservative about them.
They have become extremists.

And extremism is unhealthy.

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Paul:

You misunderstood. No sexual innuendo. It’s a double entendre. You, being who you are, missed the ace, flubbed the serve, got caught in my turf.

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Good little liberal,

NPR does abortions too! I’m just shocked. This is hardly a laughing matter. Well, in that case, I’m in favor of stopping them from selling birth control pills too. That sort of stuff should be left to the individual and her doctor.

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So what’s extreme about conservatives?

For starters, one of them masquerading as a good little liberal. How extreme is that? Do you also do specials at rallies in Wisconsin in your camo teacher’s outfit. I’ll bet you’re a real riot act.

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I love abortion humor.

I bet you do.

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GLL: “So what’s extreme about conservatives?”

Well, let’s see, they suggest throwing the family credit card out the window of the moving car, supposedly to force a confrontation over runaway spending, knowing full well that this very act will create a monster that will eat up the credit card, the family car, and the family members riding in it. They propose destroying the family to save it, in other words.

Sounds pretty extreme to me.

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stands for decibels

Actually we aspire to be welfare recipients, but it’s just that our taste are too expensive. As soon as Obama pushes for a Ferrari in every garage, I’m applying.

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Left wing management

That sounds really extreme and as soon as i figure out what you are talking about, I might agree.

My family doesn’t depend on the government and we have a credit card for emergencies. I bought a set of tires on it last year. Credit cards are bad, you know. Throwing a credit card out a window after cutting it up is the best thing you can do. So again, and please in non-political mantra terms, what is extreme about conservatives?

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TaxPayer

LOL!! A career in stand up is a-waitin’.

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they will do so anyway they can within the boundaries of government regulations and trade agreements

And some will strive to do so outside the boundaries of laws, government regulations and trade agreements.

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Jay, …. in order….

1) “If it’s pointed out that a family of four making $40,000 a year pays no federal income taxes, many conservatives tend to get upset that the family isn’t paying their fair share like the rest of us.”

You’re just wrong–no conservatives I know–and we all know you aren’t acquainted with any not filtered through Rachael Maddow.

2) “On the other hand, if it’s pointed out that a multi-millionaire or billionaire pays no federal income tax, the reaction is to applaud his or her accountant for successfully cheating the government.”

Never mind that a person can both be of great wealth and no income–witness the Kennedys. Besides, who’s applauding GE and Tim Geithner?

OK, yet another absurd post begun under false premises slain where it lies. I’m really for your next shot Jay. Take it. Hope it’s a little more ahhh,…. inspired.

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senator ensign’s affair. why would you need to have a affair when half of your state has legalized prostitution.

GOP=
Ge.nit.als
Outside
Pants

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buck@gon
April 21st, 2011
8:36 pm
Jay, …. in order….

You’re just wrong–no conservatives I know–and we all know you aren’t acquainted with any not filtered through Rachael Maddow
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Buck meet md at 8:04 PM Jay can probably make a few more introductions for you.

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TaxPayer

I understand you are polishing your stand up routine, but just for fun, you might notice that Left Wing Management brought up “family” in their post at 8:25 PM. I was responding to what they said. It was a conversation thing.

A swing!!! Steeeeeeee-rik!!!!!

You are trying too hard, Pal.

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maude

So do you think about Republican’s Ge.nit.als a lot?

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I keep all my dollars stuffed in my mattress so I don’t have any income. All I have is wealth. So I should not have to pay taxes. People should pay me since I don’t pay taxes and it saves them the cost associated with people that do pay taxes. And if they don’t like it then I say trickle down on them. Then they cannot help but like it because that is what they like.

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“Buck meet md at 8:04 PM Jay can probably make a few more introductions for you.”

Another out of context post……sigh…….

Upset??

Says it all if one doesn’t agree that we all live here and all should pay tax to sustain it……..

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oh do please provide the “context”

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The GOP protects tax cheats because they are their biggest supporters. (This message brough to you today by the letter “Duh.”)

Going deeper than the Duh, the tax burden on the middle class is only one of many ways in which they continue to suck the life out of us. They want the middle class American Dream to disappear. Union busting and the exportation of jobs are just two of the ways they’re implementing a broad strategy of wage suppression. In a few years, most of us will work for any little scraps we can get, and the things we’ve tried to save for (like being able to see a doctor during retirement years, or.. actually retiring) will be distant fantasies, forgotten amid the daily struggle to survive. They are working to build a more perfect world, where there are TWO socioeconomic classes, not three. Guess where you fit into the picture?

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“oh do please provide the “context””

Might start by checking the post you respond to with the one you link………not the same quotes…..

Big difference between getting upset about folks not paying and believing all should share in an obligation………

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I’m just glad they caught that Geithner guy. I mean, the thousands of dollars in payroll taxes that he probably almost got away with not paying on that 1099 income. I mean to tell you. If only he had set up an account through UBS like those other thousands of American tax cheats did. Then again, some of those people are now paying taxes and fines and begging for mercy. The IRS is collecting billions off of those folks. They should have applied for a job at the White House so they would have gone undetected like Geithner. Oops, he did get caught by the folks at the White House though.

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I support vigorous enforcement of the laws, whether it’s wading the Rio Grande or cheating the IRS. On the other hand taking advantage of existing laws to reduce one’s tax liability is something else. Do you all take deductions when you do your taxes?

Fix the damn tax code!

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If the contract is for big bonuses to executives, then it must be honored, says the Republican party, but if it is a contract with a government worker, or union worker, you can and must get those set aside.

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Keep speaking, Matti. You see part of the “game” being played on the national stage.

The Republicans – who are working class – and who are voting against their own best interests have, unfortunately, accepted the simplistic view – fed to them – of “winners and losers” – not realizing what a complex soup we are all part of.

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I started listening to Neal Boortz in the 1980s. I listened to him off and on for about 15 years. I stopped listening to him all together about 5 years ago. Last month I was in traffic in the morning and tuned the dial to Boortz. I couldn’t believe it. It was as if I had a flashback to 1989. He was saying the exact same things in the exact same way. He even told the exact same story about his friend that owns a business and was going to throw in the towel because government regulation and taxes are just too much to bear. What a gasbag.

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Left wing management

Sorry. But you are buying a full wagonload of do-do. This latest pending doom disaster may be working on you and most liberals, but if you go out beyond the talking points of the DNC, you will discover that there is no deadline for increasing the debt ceiling.

We are facing a downgrading of our credit, something we have never had to face because of these unending crisis d’jour. it’s everyday there’s a new crisis that unless the give the Democrats their way, we will fall into a deep economic pit, but strangely enough, we keep falling into the economic pit and the response we keep getting is “it would have been much worse”

How many times are you going to buy this? We had to pass ObamaCare or children will die. We had to pass the stimulus or unemployment will top 8%. I wish my Dad had been a liberal: “Dad I know I wrecked the last four cars but if I don’t get a new car, my leg will fall off”.

Don’t get me wrong. I think the Republicans are running a can, too. this latest “Spending Cut” amounted to about a day’s worth of spending. It was nothing.

England just had to make real changes in order to save their credit rating. People were rioting in the streets, but they are beginning to see the light. But here, somehow, you good people that have great hearts keep buying into the obvious lie that in order to save our credit, we need to raise the limit on the amount of money we can spend.

The original point of this conversation was “What is radical about conservatives”. I see the radicals in the poor gullible liberals that seem to have no limit to the amount of do-do that they will buy into.

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‘Scuse the interruption.

If Joe Mama is here posting under another name, I left you a response downstairs.

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Here’s a new idea. It’s called revolution. We take the bankers, their enablers in the government, the tax cheating, earth raping industrialists, the milquetoast sell out Democrats and the fascist Republicans and throw them where they all belong: in jail. Then we proceed to re-establish a government of the people, by the people and for the people, not corporations and the parasites who run them.

Yes, its messy and its risky and there will be unpleasantness. But in America today, is there really any other choice?

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Of course, ryan’s death budget is radical and the President nailed him.

Even cons in his district booed him.

A ray of hope from our radical right.

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Since when does the GOP defend the Democrat Tax Cheats.

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maude

Sure. Let’s all riot against evil corporations. I think there may be a few that you libs haven’t already ran off.

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AmVet

The good news is that the answer is a fair tax.

The bad news is that it is the Democrats that are the ones that are fighting the hardest against it.

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For the umpteenth time, the word evil is just childish spin for a lack of accurate adjectives…

Try again and use something adult this time.

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I think the gop house vote to end Medicare and the assault on the American workers from gop guvs have Americans wide awake.

The gop conspiracy to borrow like kids with a new credit card, collapse the economy and then try to steal Medicare and SS is very obvious to sane Americans.

Not going to happen cons, shame on you for trying again.

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UH OH! Looks like the fockees are startin’ to “wise up.” Have a Koch on me! You gotta love this! Trouble in paradise!

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What the GPO Rich does not want is a consumption tax period.

Then they will actually pay their fair share, as we know ……. Tiffany and Company is doing just fine.

Thus the Republican’s will never ever, and I mean NEVER ever think that way !

Confusion-ism is good…..take the Iraq War as the example.

New York City is attacked…..thus we invade another country, and “cost plus contracts” make sense…to some !

That is how Confusion-ism works ! Same with taxes.

Or say Republican Judges who buy cocaine for their stripper girlfriend….. You get to retire first on taxpayers money, then charged with the crime !

Who’s confused now ?

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@@ — “‘Scuse the interruption. If Joe Mama is here posting under another name, I left you a response downstairs.”

He’s not. I don’t do sock puppetry.

BTW, kindly come back to this thread and explain your charge of bigotry from earlier this week:

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2011/04/19/ga-may-forfeit-health-insurance-authority/?cp=18

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Sometimes it’s like One Flew Over The Cuckcoo’s Nest in here.

We do try to be accomodating of the little dependents, the good little con dependents.

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HA HA HA maude….. a government for the people by the people ? HA HA HA…

Please at the time of the signing of the US constitution…… “All men were created Equal”…….. remember…..??????

Then of course there were slaves…. So what has changed in a few hundred years ?

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AmVet

You sound rather intimidated. I’m sorry that you don’t like my responses to your rantings, but hey, that’s life on a political blog.

The key is to remain civil, the question is, can you?

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Ryan’s bill only alters the benefits of SS for people under 45 years old.

Back that up with a little linkee, like a good little con.

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That’s what the Tea Party is all about — except when 70% of them say “hands off MY entitlements”

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“That’s what the Tea Party is all about.”

They bow down and act upon the wishes of the koch brothers. Fact.

Try again con.

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AmVet

I ask liberals questions all the time, including you. You can ask all day but it is my choice whether or not I answer. You came here spouting your normal hysterics and I pointed out an obvious flaw to your logic. You didn’t like that so you changed the subject and are attempting to make it personal. I choose to stick to the subject you introduced.

So how do you feel about the fair tax and how do you explain the Democrat’s opposition to the concept?

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

70% That’s a pretty specific number. Source?

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“There our other options where you may find greater happiness in perhaps: North Korea, China, communist Cuba, Venezuela or maybe Moldova. Delta is ready when you are.”

I am very happy here and it is you cons whining and complaining every single day del.

Perhaps you should follow your own advice because there will be four more years of your daily crying.

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This paper needs reworked. It is more liberal then Obama. No wonder most people dont know the real facts. All you have to do to find tax cheats is look in the administration. Thats the creteria to being on the Obama pannel these days. Be a tax cheat. Then your made a Czar or given some huge non working job that pays hundreds of thousands of dollars per month.

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“What’s the difference?”

Soros is a dem donor that can counter the kochs.

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“Maybe we can change that in 2012″

The gop will make it worse so you don’t want to change it..

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GLL, I agree, although I don’t think he/she sees it quite the same way as we do.

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“Stop bowing down.”

You need to pass that admonition on to Obama.

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Will the AJC Ethics Committee (ha!) please investigate Bookman? Headlining suggestive lies is NOT telling the truth. GOP does not support TAX cheats and he knows it. Just another rubbish dump on Republicans. Integrity at AJC is such a bother. So they do away with it.

The Cox Family owns AJC and they are as rich as they come. Anybody check THEIR taxes for loopholes and how much they paid and gave to charity and what percentage and all that crap about “the rich should pay MORE taxes”?

No indeed. Bookman wants to know why GOP wants to protect tax cheats. Why does Bookman want to protect liberal rich people? Why? Why? (Hint: Because they pay HIM.)

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The FairTax is pure socialism. Who would have ever thought that Republicans would go for it but they do.

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“I’m looking for a real alternative. It would be really nice to actually vote FOR somebody as opposed to the lesser of two evils.”

Nobody is running to change the system.

There are no alternatives.

There are no leaders after Obama.

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So GLL, you won’t even answer that simple, harmless question?

Wow, (get it?)

I’ve seen your game innumerable times here and know what that means. You’re screwed. Very, very few here are going to take you seriously.

Because you’ll never manup and honestly answer the question. Yet you expect complete honesty to all of your queries.

So it just becomes the same old waste of time, covering the same old ground the last time you were here, in whatever iteration. And the time before that. And the time before that…

And, as getalife says this is a no lie zone.

Not to worry, somebody here will play with you though…

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Ryan got booed by the people in his district. They are finally waking up to what the gop are trying to do to the Middle Class Americans.

They are aware that the voucher system is a horrible idea for Medicare. It would be the usual extreme cost for poor coverage.

To the moderately aged people on this blog, you may be lucky enough to live a long life, you may need Social Security and Medicare someday and if ryan has his way you won’t have it.

You had better wake up and realize what is really happening, that the wealthy are greedy and want it all, including what we have. They will never be satisfied and will suck the life out of all of you.

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Why would Republicans cut measly millions from the IRS when they have the potential to collect hundreds of billions unless they’re trying to shield their donors from more scrutiny. I think Jay is asking the appropriate question, why does the GOP wanto to protect tax cheats. The Dems are not protecting them. The Dems expose the tax cheats and make them pay up. The Republicans want to praise the tax cheats and even make it easier for them to cheat.

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I guess they want to protect Tim Geithner, tax cheat. And the rest of this Administration.

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Mr. Bookman,

Pace yourself, as it is early and you have a long road ahead in your mission of propping up the Democrats and Obama through libtypical inflamatory half-truths; fabrications; and outright BS.

All the crap and distractions calling this place home fail to to see the obvious: We are heading over the cliff and the federal government is fiddling with the radio knobs. Come on folks, pay attention!

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getalife, when did you get brainwashed?

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Taxpayer, when did you get brainwashed?

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AmVet

I don’t expect anything from you except insults. Other than hysterical rantings, That is apparently the limit to your abilities.

If I have no credibility among others here, why are you trying so desperately hard? You seem to want to speak for everyone here. Was there some sort of vote to make you the spokesperson?

And finally, if I am such a waste of time, why did you just waste so much time composing yet another hysterical diatribe against me while avoiding my question?

As far as me “manning up” the opinion of you about my manhood is absolutely the furtherest thing from my mind.

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Del, then, please provide those facts that this country is NOT moving toward a wealthy class and a poor class with nothing in the middle.

Because I’ve got quite a few that will show we are very much moving in that direction..

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wow,

“Tennessee has a workable indignant care health plan”

Freudian slip: indigent care

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Hey Jefferson….Dems….the disaster that has and is happening. Jay….Charlie Rangel ?

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A wealthy class and a poor class with nothing in the middle. What would be the early warning signs? Let’s see, would 47 percent of the population paying no federal income tax be one. Would a handful of people controlling trillions of dollars be one. I suppose such things might be indickative of such a society. Let’s Dwell on that, shall we.

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TaxPayer

Sorry. It wasn’t 45, it was 54:

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2011/04/05/6411892-ryan-plan-a-good-deal-depends-on-age

Over age 54? You needn’t worry about the proposal House Budget Committee chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wisc., unveiled Tuesday for a redesign of Medicare.

Under age 54? You’ll need to pay a bigger share of the cost of your medical care once you’re retired.

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Why does obama protect tax cheat geithner by letting him run that which he cheated on……..why does the media protect wanna-be-tax cheat john kerry and his hidden yacht in another state………keep talking bookman, you and tucker are a riot lately!!!!!!

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Then there is the other poster who posts opinion disguised as factual but not intended as factual statements

Is Jon Kyl blogging here! I don’t believe you. Where’s your proof.

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KO addresses the question of why people who aren’t rich and who will never be rich complain about taxing the rich: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMVqikEt6Xc

“… this guy represents the real tragedy. He is the hard working, generally benign conservative who thinks the system should be designed only to keep money out of the hands of the lazy and slothful. It has not occurred to him, or he has blinded himself, to the reality that the politicians he supports are there to make sure that even conservatives in the middle and lower classes cannot break through to higher ground and greater income. And if he does have the insight to see the repression the republicans are building, …….. he blames it not on them, but on scapegoats.”

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Just in case AM Vet or any other Book Man type liberal is out there, here is the WS story about GE.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703983704576276564256544634.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

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The waivers are temporary. The suckiness of the law is permanent.

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Lets see Jay,
The second highest corporate tax rate in the world;
Well over a Trillion dollar shortfall each year, and rising;
Obama supporter GE pays NO Income taxes;
Billionares (Soros, etc) supporting the PreZ and Demoncrats;
Multiple tax cheats in the Administratioon;
Who was that again supporting the rich ?????

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Years ago, Po Folks was good value. Then the middle class really did become po and that was that…

Keep, like I said somebody will play with the new named wow of a thousand names.

Sid, your outrage over GE is about 15 yearslate.

You were snoozing while your boys in Washington and elsewhere implemented the Corporate States of America…

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“What about Tim Geithner? What about Tim Geithner? What about Tim Geithner? What about Tim Geithner? What about Tim Geithner? What about Tim Geithner? What about Tim Geithner?”

Zip it and listen up: The appointment of Geithner, a tax cheat, is just one more piece of evidence that THERE IS NO CHANGE. The people who owned GWB also own Obama. Our President does not make the big decisions. The people who own all the money and really run the world do not change from year to year because we have our silly elections. The real power is the same. The entire two-party system is a RUSE. They want us to be divided and fighting with each other because that way there is no risk that we will ever unite and take power from them. D’OH!

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Why Doggone, when we dont like the stinkin facts we change them and then say temporary, yeah wait they’ll be permanent. Of course by the time the expire, the lie will have lived. Did you not read the playbook?

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Doggone/GA

“Oh, woe is me…those poor, poor corporations – paying one of the lowest EFFECTIVE tax rates in the world and making record profits while doing it. What SHALL we do? What shall we do?”

Actually the ones making record profits are doing it by moving manufacturing offshore. So it may not be Woe is you, but it is woe to about 20% of the population that don’t have a decent job.

If we don’t start doing something to get jobs back here, we are not going to have a country left.

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From the IRS web site: “The Administration’s FY 2012 budget request for the Internal Revenue Service is nearly $13.3 billion, a $1.1 billion increase from the FY 2010 budget.”

Why does the IRS need nearly a 10% budget increase when everyone else is taking it in the shorts? What’s so special about the IRS? Is there a shortage of auditing? Any businesses out there saying “Gee, if we just had more IRS audits taking place then I’d be willing to hire more people.”

Too bad the left salivates when contemplating cuts in defense but gets the hives when asking the IRS to take a small decrease.

I guess we know the left’s priorities.

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We have started a green energy policy with electric cars, wind, solar, ethanol, etc,,,,,,.

cons said no.

The Arab people want freedom.

The cons said no.

The President tried to fight against citizen united and election reform.

The cons said no.

A vote to end Medicare.

The cons said yes.

The problem is obvious.

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good little con,

If you wish to debate the content of the Ryan road map then do so. We can start here if you like. Or would you prefer to go straight to Ryan’s source — the Koch funded Heritage Foundation. If so, perhaps we can start with an assessment of their assumption that the tax cuts will pay for themselves just as soon as unemployment hits 2%. What do ya say.

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I hear one has to have liquid assets of $750k or better to become a resident of Australia. Better start saving your pennies. I won’t renounce my citizenship, but moving away for a while is looking better. Good night.

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“The Arab people want freedom.

The cons said no.”

Are you sure that’s what’s taking place over there?
When 8 Arab nations adopt Muslim theocracies, are you willing to own it?

Didn’t think so.

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We just started rgb. We should have started when Carter warned us and we had gas lines but you cons bowed down for oil. It is your fault cons.

Admit it big oil lovers.

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“Why does the IRS need nearly a 10% budget increase when everyone else is taking it in the shorts?”

It just MIGHT have something to do with the IRS returning nearly $10 in taxes to the government for every $1 it spends

If you’d actually READ what Jay wrote you would have seen this: “In other words, cut spending by $600 million, lose $4 billion in revenue and add $3.4 billion to the deficit”

Nobody but the conned would see cutting a service that returns nearly 1000% on the investment as a BAD thing.

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Thankfully Paul Ryan has a plan.

Obama has no budget plan. No clue. No ideas how to prevent financial death for the USA.

He is a man bereft of useful plans but full of useless, destructive ideology.

We are poorer, sicker, and less safe than 2 years ago.

Obama is the author not only of sham tomes, but also the author of this country’s final chapter.

And you tyrannical leftists own that too.

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Well then perhaps we should give the IRS $1.8 trillion and we’d solve ALL our budget problems.

Public school?

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“…of this country’s final chapter.”

Prepare the fainting couches!!

(And be very afraid…)

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Cite it.

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“And please spare me big oil, big pharma, Halliburton, George Bush, Koch brothers, the evil rich–they aren’t budget items”

Subsidies ARE budget items. Every penny the government spends – or “spends” by not collecting is a budget item.

Personally, I would reduce pretty much everything by 10%, except the DOD. THAT I would reduce by 25%

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RGB,

Yes. I would reduce the “Defense Contractor” jobs program.

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Joe Mama:

BTW, kindly come back to this thread and explain your charge of bigotry from earlier this week

I’m not in the habit of repeating myself. I leave that to folks like AmVet, who does it so often, it’s become monotonous.

You were on the previous thread with long-winded posts that were centered on racism. I came in with a piece regarding school choice, adding to that I submitted an article where Hispanic and Black leaders were calling for school choice.

You brought up subsidies. Actually, the money is already being paid in. If it’s a failing school from which the minority children aren’t benefiting, they should have the choice of taking that money elsewhere. It would be the parents who make up the difference in cost. It’ll serve the children and society as a whole in the long term.

Share “the love”, or at the very least, let it follow the child.

I would say you’re a cold-hearted Republican but we’re for school choice. And besides, I already know from your little drama earlier than you’re a “disheartened” Rep turned Dem.

Oh whoa is you!!!! My heart was breaking.

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dying schmying. evolving. those of us reading press are here today. those of us evolving are here tomorrow. (but, and yesterday [for the believers]). politics is like 2 – team sports. winner v loser. the current bout’s outcome bases it stakes on events recent – and loud mouths – and i’m stickin with my team.
stats reveal that the swarm is over here now. now it’s over there.
shout louder and say more stupid things. get it all out.
a voice is a voice is a voice

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We recently rec’d a notice we owed the IRS 13,000 in tax, penalities and interest on a 7,000 tax libility from tax year 2005. The only problem is the IRS cashed our personal check for the 7,000 in April 2006 and they missed it somehow. Who gets the burden of proof to gather the necessary paperwork plus a trip to the bank to dust off the archives and retrieve a cx’ed check..? We do, and did. We hope they’re gonna be satisfied

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Now we know why they play an alleged sport where you don’t use your hands for much.

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“We recently rec’d a notice we owed the IRS 13,000 in tax, penalities and interest on a 7,000 tax libility from tax year 2005″

When you sign that tax form, you are signing a contractual agreement that the tax reported is correct and fee of error. it wasn’t, and you got caught. Pay up. A contract is a contract…right?

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Paul Ryan’s plan cuts trillions from medicare and medicaid and othe social programs while cutting taxes more for the wealthiest and it does not even cut the national debt. In fact, the national debt continues to go up under Ryan’s plan. Come on good little con and dispute that with whatever facts you have.

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getalife,

I’ve been in the middle of a party that was attended by Lord Stanley’s Cup. I don’t think they could even publish the stories of what goes on with that trophy.

Doggone/GA,

I think you’re misreading what that 10:56 is saying. The way I read it they paid the 7K and now the IRS says they didn’t.

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“The way I read it they paid the 7K and now the IRS says they didn’t.”

He’ll have to clear it up. I read it that he underpaid by $7000

But assuming you’re correct…who ELSE is going to dust things off and find the proof that he did pay? He’s the one with the data…not the IRS.

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not to be a smart-ass, but ask yourself each question before you ask it. your smarter self will have logical answers for most complaints. i know we’re supposed to fued on jay’s watch. but how logical is it to expect either polical PAHDEE to be in the game of human advancement when the pickins are already farmable.

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“This world is in a mess and the egg sucking liberal democrates ”

I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

No matter how assinine it is

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Where are Josef and HD?

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AmVet:

I witnessed your earlier fits of paranoia.

Would you be offended if I told you how amusing I found them to be?

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RW,

No people but the firefighters rushed in to save the trophy.

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RW:

I didn’t stay. Didn’t even know it was a video…thought it was a still shot.

ewwwww

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I’m out.

What kinda name is Joe Mama anyway? Is it like YO’ MAMA!!!

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eloquent geniuses
no, that’s just you having a new thought brain rush idea spark noodle fit scrath turn where you read something and it makes your bog nod to the left a sec

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getalife, too many trolls and bigots.

Fortunately JB gets rid of the worst, from time to time.

But like bad pennies, the GLL’s just keep coming back.

I suspect josef and HD will be around for Friday night…

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BTW:
All you good liberals who want to slash the DoD budget might want to look at how that money is spent. By law products and services have to prove they are over 50% US made. The money creates and supports US workers.
Cut it and you are cutting US jobs, many high tech jobs.
If you want the AF to retool with MIGs (the Russians would love to be our high tech aircraft suppliers) they will, we can purchase them cheaper that US Aircraft!!!
p.s. cost overruns? happens. $600 hammers? – yes, because Congress forced specs to be written for them requiring suppliers to make special runs just to meet these requirements, thus high costs.
$1,800.00 fax machines? – during Desert Storm the only faxes that remained functional in the Saudi Desert were these special hardened units….They were key in air and ground targeting, undoubtedly saving lives.

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LWM@5:23

The tool at your link does not compare effective tax rates. It compares statutory rates, without deductions, exemptions, and without considering capital gains differently than income. Even the sourced document the chart was built on is strictly the statutory rates.

So perhaps it is interesting, but not in the way you think it may be. On the other hand, the CBO has prepared a table of *effective* rates, albeit only back as far as 1979. See, for instance, http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/98xx/doc9884/12-23-EffectiveTaxRates_Letter.pdf

“There are a number of obvious limitations in using the tool. For example, the additions and subtractions to gross income (that yield adjusted gross income) change over time. The deductions that are available to yield taxable income from adjusted gross income also vary over time. The tool, however, only addresses taxable income, and thus doesn’t account for those changes. Likewise, the difference between ordinary income and income from capital gains (the latter currently gets preferential treatment) is not accounted for. The tool only deals with income tax, not payroll tax (payroll tax as currently structured exacts a disproportionate burden on lower- and middle-income taxpayers).”

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You people love wiping the Koch brothers behinds don’t you. There is nothing more you shills would not do but protect scumbags, it’s in your blood, a part of your DNA. That is why your pathetic state keeps sinking to lower depths. Why don’t you monkeys secede!

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MPercy, thanks, you’re absolutely right. Effective is precisely what it didn’t show. Thanks for the doc. Though everything hinges on the gap between statutory and effective, I still find the comparison of statutory rates over time very revealing of ideological shifts.

AmVet: “getalife, too many trolls and bigots. / Fortunately JB gets rid of the worst, from time to time.”

Like whack-a-mole.

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Percy sounds good, don’t work. I say take earnings before depreciation, and interest, plus cut out any bs cost, just real resonable costs and tax that number at about 15%. If you work for a company that is off shore, you live off shore or become an illegal resident subject to the same laws or proposed law against illegal immigrents (you should not have to worry as those folks are getting over on everyone) just live in the shadow of being deported to that great off shore job site.

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LWM’s earlier link to a “tool” is simply broken. I have entered my own income for the last several years and the tool is off by about 50% in its statement of taxes owed (relative to what I actually paid).

Hell, it even says that a married couple filing jointly with $10K in income would owe $1000. That’s the statutory rate on that level of income. But it’s wrong by a large degree. Assuming these people would file 1040EZ, they would put $10000 on line 1 (which sums to the same on line 4). On line 5 they would enter two check boxes, and enter $18,700 on line 5. On line 6, they would subtract line 5 from line 4, resulting in -8700, which is less than zero, so they would enter $0 on line 6. This is their taxable income. So ignoring everything except the standard deduction and exemption, and they would owe $0 in taxes (if they filed for EITC, they would likely end up with negative taxes).

But LWM’s tool says $1000. I can’t even compute the ratio of how wrong it is…$1000/$0–it’s infinitely wrong.

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MPercy

April 21st, 2011
11:41 pm

We don’t think that corporations *shouldn’t* pay taxes, we just think that it’s a waste of time, effort, and money to comntinue the charade that they actually do pay any, even when you manage to get a check from them.

The CBO doesn’t seem to think that corporations are anything more than a passthrough. According to the CBO: “A corporation may write its check to the Internal Revenue Service for payment of the
corporate income tax, but that money must come from somewhere: from reduced returns to investors in the company, lower wages to its workers, or higher prices that consumers pay for the products the company produces.” They go on to say “The short-term burden of the corporate tax probably falls on stockholders or investors in general” and “In the very long term, the burden is likely to be shifted in part to labor”.

It costs businesses upward of $300B (I’ve even seen recent estimates in excess of $400B) just to comply with the tax code–just to keep the records, fill out the forms, etc. All this burden to determine that they need to pass along $250B in taxes, plus the $300B in compliance costs onto their shareholders, customers, and employees.

Relieve industry of the burden of compliance and the charade of collecting tax money, and the government potentially “loses” about $250B each year. But industry gains about $550B, which will quickly show up in increased wages, lower prices, and higher dividends. All of which have a stimulative effect (and the increased wages and higher dividends lead to increased personal income taxes down the line).

What level of industry might we attract if the tax burden was $0? How many off-shored jobs might be just economical enough to now bring them back?

Which will quickly show up in INCREASED WAGES, LOWER PRICES, …..??? Are you kidding- I had to pick myself up from laughing so hard. The corps will give those bucks back to employees and customers?? You have been drinking the koolaid for far too long pal. Take my advice- don’t go and make any bets on that one- same for the fair tax- gonna drop prices for everything??? Of course!!!! NOT!!!!

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Jay:

I worked for IRS – Criminal Investigation Division for three years. It was all so political (both parties)at the higher case levels that it made me sick. The day I decided to move on is when our three tiered review system refused to prosecute four CPA’s in Gaineville, Georgis who had not filled business or personal returns for four years.

I went to an agency who made it their life mission to arrest and prosecutes counterfeiters.

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Jay, I am a Republican and I cut and pasted the GE story to my Senators and rep. Makes me mad as hell too. But, GE’s CEO IS A FRIEND OF Obama,

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It is called starve the Beast. The GOP has been working on just that since Reagan was in office. Deregulate everything, don’t pay/fund anything, starve the Beast, that is us (the Government). The GOP hates Government intrusion, that is, until they need it for something they want done, like do away with Abortions, Taxes, and oh yea, the Governments says you can’t take my Guns away..oops and OMG, we have to go fight Wars with every Tom, Dick and Harry of a country even though we have no business whatsoever for being there. History shows though, that the Beast can only be starved for so long, and then rebellions will be imminent.
Every Republican congressman voted in favor of Ryan’s plan to do away with Medicare, Medicaid (starve the Beast). I have all your names plastered on my Frig and they will stay there until Election time 2012, it will be interesting to see how many will be there after election time. Seniors and future Seniors will vote because Medicare is the Holy Grail in this country as well as other countries who have like plans for Seniors. The GOP has to be pretty stupid to have voted for this Ryan plan or totally out of touch with reality. I say both and if that is the case then they are NOT fit to be congressman doing the peoples business. Every single Republican needs to be voted out of their office/chair..none of them have a lick of sense.

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Using a loop hole is not cheating. If you don’t like the tax structure and the results, get your congressman to change them. Calling them “Tax Cheats” is pejorative at best and dissembling at worst.

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If you demorats are truly concerned about the “evil rich” paying their fair share, you clowns should support the fair tax.

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I don’t understand tonight’s bitterness?

GLL, neither could I! why can’t we be nice?

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My observation of the 2011 budget cuts and the Ryan budget proposal is that this was a slash and burn mentality.

I don’t get a sense that each line item was looked at in terms of its short-term and long-term effect on the economy and the deficit. If, as Jay states, a $600M reduction in the IRS budget will result in a significant impact on enforcement activities to the tune of billions of dollars, then that $600M should not be taken out of the budget.

I don’t know whether it is a factor of protecting monied interests by reducing enforcement of exiting tax law or simply a blind “slash and burn” mentality but this cut appears to be upside down.

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getalife
April 21st, 2011
10:36 pm

We have started a green energy policy with electric cars, wind, solar, ethanol, etc,,,,,,.

consumers said no thanks–your technology isn’t workable and your prices are too high.

The Arab people want freedom like what they are getting in Iraq.

The Democrat party said no. Our President Bush made it possible.

The Idiot Messiah tried to fight AGAINST free speech and FOR banning movies he didn’t want people to see.

The Supreme Court said no.

A vote to make Medicare fiscally viable for decades to come.

The liberal fascists said no
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Your finger must have slipped. I fixed it for you.

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If Hillbilly’s like me, jay’s fluff pieces are less than thought provoking. If there’s a lot of conflict on here, I’m missing it ’cause I don’t hang around to discuss fluff.

It’s springtime! Maybe he’s enjoying his mountain.

He’s missed but hopefully not mist.

(ISH)

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…and…The last I looked, Barak Obama is STILL the President.

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I have never understood why we don’t have tax minimums. Then companies like GE would have to pay the minimum no matter how clever their Accountants are.

It seems like such a simple solution.

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oh, and I’m a “tax cheat” if Tim Geithner is a “tax cheat,” since the IRS learned that one year, I’d messed up some dividend income reporting and owed some back taxes. Which I paid, along with some penalties.

(oooh, scary!)

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Ahh another class warfare and hate the GOP blog by Jay…the only thing this blog points out is how 72,000+ pages of the tax code is stupid and we need to dump the 16th amendment and pass the Fair Tax By the way, Jay, Corporations do not pay any taxes…they collect and pass on. Taxes hit their bottom line and they will just add to the price of goods and services..cut the hate speech out and start thinking!

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we need to dump the 16th amendment and pass the Fair Tax

I’ll ask our Fair Taxers the question I always ask–if it’s such a grrreat scheme, why aren’t other nations, especially those without pesky, democratically-elected representation to deal with, making these incredible strides toward efficiency and “fairness” and funding all of their operations with a similar sales-tax-only plan of their own?

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I have never understood why we don’t have tax minimums.

Presumably because the tax code intends to seriously incentivize certain behaviors, both by its citizens and by its corporations.

That’s the “why.” not saying they should…

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“It seems like such a simple solution”

There’s two ways to handle a minimum tax: a flat amount, or a flat percentage of profit. There are problems with both.

A flat amount is unfair to companies if they have very low profits. And a flat percentage would only encourage them to disguise as much as they can OF their profits – in order to lower their minimum tax.

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How you make the leap from a company exercising legal loopholes in the tax code to TAX CHEAT is beyond me.

well of course it is, you’re willfully ignoring the rhetoric employed by the commenters here.

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Jay, your logic is completely flawed. Are you practicing to be some politician’s campaign manager? The rhetoric no doubt appeals to the bleeding-heart crowd.

The beef with the 47% that don’t pay any federal taxes is not that they are cheating. Where did that come from? They have a legal free ride. Therein the issue.

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Stands…I have no idea how to implement it…. That is above my paygrade… however, I agree with the apparent unfairness of the current system.

A standard rate would be simple but we don’t live in a simple world. Politician use tax breaks to attract businesses to economically depressed areas, increase revenues in order to create jobs, or to protect donors to campaigns. Politically speaking, a flat fare rate tax or simple system such as the fair tax will never happen because it takes too much power from politicians.

Some of that power is used for good, and some is used as a cover for corruption.

Time to go row with the others..

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seriously? why does GOP defend tax cheats? – why are you not writing about the president’s secretary treasurere – TIM GEITNER?????
And last time I checked, the CEO of GE – Jeffrey Imelt was a big time liberal in bed w/ the white house… he is the most frequent visitor.
You liberal democrat journalist kill me!!!

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Why should it matter to anyone outside of the political machine which party gets the most money from a particular sector? As you can see from the example below, the money goes to whichever party sings the prettiest tune. IMHO, the corruption in our political system rivals that of anything you would encounter in the most corrupt dictatorships in the Middle East, like Libya.

“One Democratic-leaning firm that has signaled particular displeasure with the administration’s direction is J.P. Morgan Chase, which is headed by Obama supporter James Dimon and has several other prominent Democrats in its upper ranks. The bank and its employees, who doled out nearly $500,000 in federal contributions last year, went from giving 76 percent of the money to Democrats in the first quarter to giving 73 percent to Republicans in the fourth.”

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With all the new technology that the IRS has why not reduce their staff? What are computers & electronics for. I gurantee you, if a law was passed that anyone caught wilfully cheating on their
taxes went to prison for a mandatory sentence, there would be a lot more taxes going into the govt kitty.

I don’t see repubs being happy with tax cheats or anyone else for that matter.

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Obama makes a tax cheat Secretary of the Treasury.

When you’re politically-connected you’re easily forgiven for minor transgressions.
Geithner’s dad was Obama’s moms’ boss in Indonesia. (Ford Foundation)

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Tell you what jay, you support the paying of some taxes on the $40k family and I’ll support more enforcement for the millionaires. But I’m going to require you to go first because I don’t trust a liberal one inch.

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Geithner, Schumer, slobbering Barney shall we keep going…… tell why if you or me did not pay taxes for years, to the tune of millions, with the excuse of coops, or had several hundred pot plants growing in the basement, and the claim of “I did not know” and all walk without a scratch. See if that works for you, I doubt it will, unless you are a big campaign donor or Obozo friend…Let’s see what happens if a white man stand outside of a African American voting area in army fatigues, do you think Holder would pursue that case… GE paying NO taxes on 14 billion profits, but the GOP is out for big business and killing old people and babies, you liberals are a very funny bunch. Please take off the blinders, wake up liberals, smell the Kool-Aid, I mean coffee…

FairTax.org would stall ALL of this tax bull$hit so why is the left so opposed to getting rid of the 80,000 pages of tax code?

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“FairTax.org would stall ALL of this tax bull$hit so why is the left so opposed to getting rid of the 80,000 pages of tax code?”

Because the Left wants CONTROL. They want to mete out FAIRNESS as they see it, and they careless about logic and fiscal soundness.
The Left cares about buying votes and controlling productive people and their money.

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THE SOLUTION TO THE LIES STATED ABOVE, THE FAIR TAX! EVERYONE WILL PAY THE TAX. BILLIONAIRES, MILLIONAIRES, MIDDLE INCOME, LOW INCOME WILL ALL PAY THE TAX BASED ON THE AMOUNT THEY SPEND! THE IRS CAN BE REDUCED BY 90% OR MORE. Trust fund millionaires like Kennedy, Rockefeller Hearst, as well as, the dot com millionaires like Dell, Gates, Ellison and so forth will pay the tax. ALL WILL PAY THE TAX. The only reason for the irs to exist under that system is only to verify who is eligible for social security, medicare, unemployment, etc. If your salary or pay is $ 1000 per week, YOUR CHECK WILL BE $ 1000 EVERY WEEK, NOT $550 OR $600 AFTER ALL THE STUPID SOCIAL PROGRAM TAXES AND INCOME TAXES! If Bill Gates or Tiger Woods buys a $ 100 million jet, THEY WILL PAY THE SAME PERCENTAGE TAX FOR IT! Best, equitable, FAIR way to do it! But, get one thing straight, NO TAX IS A GOOD TAX, EVER!

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“Taxes are the price we pay for civilization.” Who said that? Anybody care to respond?

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Brent What you meant was- “I don’t want to pay my taxes. We good little Republicans want to have a sales tax so the poor and elderly will have to pay more while our richest brethren pay less and less. After all, everyone knows that if the rich pay less in taxes then they will use that extra money to hire more of the unemployed!! Pretty soon there will be no unemployment. Errr wait- strike that last one. I forgot.

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Jay – The GOP doesn’t want to protect tax cheats.

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I don’t know either Jay. I guess the neo-cons think that the more money you earn the more you are worth. I guess those in the military, police, fire, and EMS aren’t worth much to these neo-cons, right? I can only guess because I know better. A single cop is worth more to me than any single baseball player.

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@@ — “What kinda name is Joe Mama anyway? Is it like YO’ MAMA!!!”

Well look who *just* caught on.

(laughing, pointing)

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