The Newtster gives some love to the Donald
How many ex-wives do each of us have?
“If my choice was Barack Obama or Donald Trump, I would have zero hesitation saying that Donald Trump is dramatically less dangerous to America’s future than Barack Obama, and I’d be happy to campaign for him.”
Maybe they could be running mates.
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Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
11:38 am
That caption under that photo is sooooo wrong!!!!
stands for decibels
April 21st, 2011
11:45 am
Grossest. Headline. Evah.
stands for decibels
April 21st, 2011
11:46 am
Puffer/Fluffer 2012!
wet wiccan
April 21st, 2011
11:46 am
Just the idea that anyone would consider Donald Trump as a serious candidate for ANY elected office, let alone the leader of the free world, makes me embarrassed for America.
stands for decibels
April 21st, 2011
11:47 am
That caption under that photo is sooooo wrong!!
well if you’re familiar with how the Brits interpret that gesture, it could be far, far worse.
ty webb
April 21st, 2011
11:50 am
Jay,
you got an early afternoon tee time or something?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
11:50 am
dB
Dare I ask??
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
11:52 am
Once again Newt shows that Country First was never a real slogan for the Republican Party.
Electing Trump will likely assure that we have another bankruptcy. That’s one of his business trademarks. Thankfully Donnie will never be elected. He likely won’t even run.
stands for decibels
April 21st, 2011
11:52 am
Soco…well, to put it as politely as I can—essentially it means up BOTH of your, erm, orifices.
stands for decibels
April 21st, 2011
11:53 am
…which is why Winston Churchill always turned it around to make a “V” for victory sign. But everyone in the UK knew it was also a message to Adolf, Benito and company.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
11:54 am
dB
I gotta remember that one. I’d hate to do something and offend half a country if I’m walking thru their back yard.
jm
April 21st, 2011
11:55 am
Jay, thanks (in particular for the caption). That was better than any bong hit…. (or Yoga, as Bosch suggests)
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
11:57 am
SoCo…you’d better watch what you whistle in some countries and the OK sign too.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
11:59 am
Keep
I know about the ok sign, but I didn’t know about that ^^^ particular hand gesture.
An Atlanta blog with a little bit of opinion about a whole lot of things
*and a place to learn new things!!!
jm
April 21st, 2011
12:01 pm
The Presidency needs to be cut down to size. We’ve seen what can happen to the US in the hands of at least one moron. God forbid we end up with another like the Donald (not likely, but scary nonetheless).
Time to neuter the presidency and the legislature by dialing back their total budget to 10% of GDP and restricting their lawmaking subject to review of the negative economic impact.
Doggone/GA
April 21st, 2011
12:02 pm
“I know about the ok sign, but I didn’t know about that ^^^ particular hand gesture”
And now you know what a Brit means by “the two finger salute”
jm
April 21st, 2011
12:02 pm
Oh, and by the way, those hoping for manufacturing line jobs need to read this. Intellectual capital is the only capital going forward. Better to study computer programming….
Human-Like Robot Built for Assembly Lines
The Swiss firm, ABB, unveiled its robot, Frida, and offered a glimpse of the future of factory robots.
http://news.discovery.com/tech/human-like-robot-built-for-assembly-lines-110421.html#mkcpgn=rssnws1
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
12:04 pm
off topic:
Seems like the newbies in DC have been brought up to speed on how things actually operate.
Many of the Republican freshmen in the House won election vowing to shake up Washington, so it’s a little surprising that many of them seem to be playing an old Washington game: raising much of their campaign money from corporate political action committees.
More than 50 members of the class of 87 GOP freshmen took in more than $50,000 from PACs during the first quarter of 2011, according to new campaign disclosure reports filed with the Federal Election Commission. Eighteen of the lawmakers took in more than $100,000.
Rep. Steve Stivers (Ohio) accepted the most PAC dollars of any of the new Republican lawmakers, $241,000 in the first quarter, or about 60 percent of the money he raised.
Overall, fundraising among the large GOP freshman class is below the average raised by new Democratic members in the first quarters of 2007 and 2009, after elections when liberals won big gains in Congress. Two years ago, Democratic freshmen raised $287,000 on average, while the figure this year for the new GOP lawmakers was $176,000.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-influence-industry/2011/04/20/AFNKReEE_story.html
jm
April 21st, 2011
12:04 pm
awesome.
* Designed for assembly applications, FRIDA is capable of using its human-like arms to grasp and manipulate components.
* The robot represents a new generation of assembly-bots that are lighter, safer and more affordable than before.
I wonder if the AFL-CIO will try to start representing robots and start arguing over their unfair working conditions.
jm
April 21st, 2011
12:05 pm
SoCo 12:04 – I’ve been outed already? Darnit, just started giving my millions away to the R’s this morning after the Boeing fiasco.
stands for decibels
April 21st, 2011
12:10 pm
The Swiss firm, ABB, unveiled its robot, Frida
“Ja, she does everything. Und vee make sure she can’t vote, like vee saw to it mit der Frauen until 1971, in zee land of chocolate” the ABB spokesman was quoted as saying.
jm
April 21st, 2011
12:11 pm
sfd 12:10
Normal
April 21st, 2011
12:11 pm
YES! OH YES!! PUHLEEZE LET TRUMP/GINGRICH BE A REALITY! OH PLEEEEEZE!
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
12:12 pm
Trump: Stop asking me birther questions!
LOL. Ali Velshi(sp) CNN, pulled his card.
RB from Gwinnett
April 21st, 2011
12:12 pm
Jay, the caption under the photo is appropriate for the National Equirer. But most of your garbage is on the same level as theirs, so it’s not surprising to see the AJC stoop to that level with a potential presidential candidate.
And you’re still wondering why you’re failing at double the national average….
md
April 21st, 2011
12:12 pm
Trump vs Obama……….no wonder we have a 14 trillion dollar problem…….looks like another coin toss.
Sure wish we could vote for Congress first…..then I’d know how to balance out the mess……….
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
12:12 pm
jm
LOL!!!!! You forget that I’m “The Man”. I know and see all…. except for what Jay does – damned freedom of the press stuff!!!
stands for decibels
April 21st, 2011
12:13 pm
jm, it was either that or go to The Third Man well for the cuckoo-clock quote thing.
Left wing management
April 21st, 2011
12:15 pm
The fact that Newt Gingrich thinks Trump would be “drastically less dangerous” to the country ought to send chills down our spine. That’s like an endorsement from the Joker in Batman.
Again I go back to an interesting comment made on CNN by Alec Baldwin about running for president in this country. Does it apply to Trump?
Too many people now are running for public office to complete some missing part of their own psyche. There’s some need they have, some psychological need that they believe can only be fulfilled, Democrat and Republican.
stands for decibels
April 21st, 2011
12:16 pm
From Jay’s linked piece:
Earlier, Gingrich told reporters that he thought it was fair game for Trump to raise questions about Obama’s citizenship.
“Anything is a fair question in this society,” he said. “It’s the nature of modern America.”
Mister Gingrich, a question. Can you prove that you weren’t the star of underground animal-porn series “The Lonely Goatherd, pts. I-IX?”
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
12:17 pm
jm
I seriously doubt that the LS9 or any other Corvette engine will be built by robots. That’s what makes the “true” US supercar that much more special. The engine has the builder’s name attached to it so you know who, and not what, built your engine.
stands for decibels
April 21st, 2011
12:17 pm
The fact that Newt Gingrich thinks Trump would be “drastically less dangerous” to the country ought to send chills down our spine.
for me it was the “zero hesitation” business, but whatever.
md
April 21st, 2011
12:18 pm
“Too many people now are running for public office to complete some missing part of their own psyche. There’s some need they have, some psychological need that they believe can only be fulfilled, Democrat and Republican. ”
Says the actor turned political activist……………….
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
12:18 pm
dB
Anything is a fair question, but didn’t he brush off the guy who asked about his numerous marriages?
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
12:18 pm
“Former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson announces presidential bid ”
As the Saints fans say, “WHO DAT”??
stands for decibels
April 21st, 2011
12:19 pm
Mr. Gingrich, we have an affidavit from one of the goats, asserting that it was in fact you. Can we see your long form? Yes, *that* one.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
12:20 pm
Jay
Newt should leave stand-up comedy to Larry the Cable Guy.
SoCom
“That caption under that photo is sooooo wrong!!!!”
Way to build international relations, eh?
[[The sign's meaning depends in part on the way the hand is positioned. With the palm of the hand facing the signer, it can mean: An insult – largely restricted to Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Ireland, Hong Kong, and the United Kingdom,[1] it means “f#$@ off”.[2]]]
Paul
April 21st, 2011
12:23 pm
oh, and the caption was funny.
Maybe it’s why Newt likes him? Common interests?
Don't Tread
April 21st, 2011
12:24 pm
“Donald Trump is dramatically less dangerous to America’s future than Barack Obama”
And should that choice actually show up on the ballot, it will (again) be a choice for the lesser of two evils. (Although it would be great entertainment to hear The Donald say “You’re fired” to Obama.)
USMC
April 21st, 2011
12:33 pm
“If my choice was Barack Obama or Donald Trump, I would have zero hesitation saying that Donald Trump is dramatically less dangerous to America’s future than Barack Obama, and I’d be happy to campaign for him.”
You can pick on the “Newtster” all you want, but this is being said by Millions of Americans.
Check the polls out.
USMC
April 21st, 2011
12:35 pm
Obama: Mistakes? Can’t think of any:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/04/obama-mistakes-cant-think-any
Joe The Plumber too.
April 21st, 2011
12:37 pm
I can’t see where Trump would be much of an improvement over oblowhard but I too would go with the lesser of two evils and pick the Donald. Besides, I would much rather see Trump’s flavor of the week on his arm than spend four more years having to look at little barry boy’s old lady.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
12:40 pm
Check the polls out.
The only two pole that matter are ones involving fishing and strippers.
buck@gon
April 21st, 2011
12:45 pm
Both of them are “good articulate and clean; it’s an amazing story.”
–Quote from Joe Biden
Yes, the left has such HIGH standards, don’t they?
“Obama’s going to take care of all my bills, all my troubles now!”
–Quote from polled voter of 2008
And they have such an intelligent and savvy constituency.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
12:45 pm
“I would much rather see Trump’s flavor of the week on his arm than spend four more years having to look at little barry boy’s old lady.”
Yeah, because when the state of the country is at stake that is the most important thing
getalife
April 21st, 2011
12:45 pm
Looks like rove won the birther argument and trump does not want to talk about it anymore.
Too funny.
Left wing management
April 21st, 2011
12:46 pm
Don’t Tread: “(Although it would be great entertainment to hear The Donald say “You’re fired” to Obama.)”
Whether he actually says it or not, the fact is we’ll move to a new stage in the “specticalization” or “clownification” of our political system. The point being: he won’t even have to say it. He’ll just stand on the podium with his bravado smile, winking to his cheering crowd as they cheer it. Then he can engage in a pseudo gesture of calming them down and insisting on civility. What worries me is not the “You’re fired!!” gimmickry, it’s the actual blending of reality show egomania with actual policy – which is of course what we’ve seen for years now in Italy with Berlusconi.
Bread and circus for the restless masses and clownish posturers in positions of leadership. This is our future, I fear.
USinUK
April 21st, 2011
12:47 pm
dammit jay … I soooo didn’t need that mental image
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
12:47 pm
buckagon,
do you really wanna go there with quotes from leaders?
‘You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror.”
—President George W. Bush, interview with CBS News’ Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006
USinUK
April 21st, 2011
12:48 pm
oh, and if that pic ran in the UK, I’d caption it, “what The Donald has to say to the poor”
jm
April 21st, 2011
12:48 pm
I think the Donald is counting the number of times he suggested that he’s running for POTUS. Even though he never ran.
SOUTHERN ATL
April 21st, 2011
12:49 pm
Too funny!!
getalife
April 21st, 2011
12:49 pm
Well, his bankruptcy and divorce record is appealing to newt but not to the rest of America.
He will not run.
It is a publicity stunt silly.
The gop are desperately seeking a leader but there are none..
USinUK
April 21st, 2011
12:49 pm
so, bosch – I hear it got a little blowy in ATL yesterday – did all your trees (and corresponding critters) stay out of your house?
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 21st, 2011
12:49 pm
“57 states”…idiot Messiah
Granny Godzilla
April 21st, 2011
12:50 pm
Newt, Donald, Sarah, Michelle, Santorum
Harpo, Groucho, Chico, Gummo, Zeppo
It’s almost cosmic.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
12:50 pm
USinUK,
Yeap, all is well at the Bosch abode.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 21st, 2011
12:50 pm
“my Muslim faith”…Idiot Messiah
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
12:50 pm
Jay….GREAT IDEA THAT WOULD BE A GREAT TICKET.
Kamchak
April 21st, 2011
12:51 pm
Trump/Palin
He wouldn’t have to say “you’re fired.”
She will quit after two years.
getalife
April 21st, 2011
12:51 pm
Letterman said he wanted to see the birth certificate for that thing on his head.
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
12:51 pm
Getalife….please tell me one thing that Trump has said that you disagree with?
USinUK
April 21st, 2011
12:51 pm
since I don’t feel like wading through the mire, have we already had the “libruls are writing about Donald because they’re skeer’d” comment???
jm
April 21st, 2011
12:52 pm
Kamchak 12:51 LOL
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
12:52 pm
USinUk…..not yet but why else is everyone already attacking him. Do you know anything about his policies yet?
USinUK
April 21st, 2011
12:52 pm
Kam – 12:51 – nicely done
jm
April 21st, 2011
12:53 pm
UGA1999 – I’ll give you one. he said we should take over Iraq, take their oil, and make it the 51st state.
That, to me, is a seriously dumb idea.
USinUK
April 21st, 2011
12:54 pm
uga – other than their flippy-floppy goodness?
(he used to be pro-choice, now he’s pro-life, he’s suddenly a church-goer, blahblahblah)
my goodness, he and Mittens should run on the same ticket, they’ve been for and against EVERYTHING
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
12:54 pm
Comedian Jerry Seinfeld canceled an appearance at one of Donald Trump’s charity events, saying that he is disturbed by Trump’s rhetoric about President Obama
_________________
Well at least someone showed some standards.
getalife
April 21st, 2011
12:55 pm
ug,
He has called every President beginning with Carter the worst ever.
He is a birther.
He knows how to bankrupt a company.
He is a ego maniac.
Just to name a few.
USinUK
April 21st, 2011
12:55 pm
getalife – if not the birth certificate, at least the license of the taxidermist who preserved it
stands for decibels
April 21st, 2011
12:55 pm
Do you know anything about his policies yet?
I lived in that bum-wipe’s stomping ground for several decades. Ask me anything.
actually, I’ll make it easy for you. Are you pro choice? Donald’s your man! Want to criminalize abortion? Donald’s also your man! Think W. was the “worst president ever?” Donald’s your man! Think Obama’s the “worst president ever?” Donald’s STILL your man!
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
12:56 pm
Jm….and you think he was talking seriously? However I do feel that the Iraqis should pay back America for their help and sacrifice.
jm
April 21st, 2011
12:56 pm
ok, this is far out and worth a read
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/science/21gut.html
Bacteria Divide People Into 3 Types, Scientists Say
The discovery of enterotypes follows on years of work mapping the diversity of microbes in the human body — the human microbiome, as it is known. The difficulty of the task has been staggering. Each person shelters about 100 trillion microbes.
getalife
April 21st, 2011
12:56 pm
USinUK ,
Worst comb over ever.
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
12:57 pm
Getalife….he also knows how to manage MULTI businesses and manage multi millions of dollars. So you think Bankruptcy should be illegal?
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
12:58 pm
Stands….that is great sounds like he has your vote!
USinUK
April 21st, 2011
12:58 pm
jm – that reminds me of one of my favorite jokes:
there are 3 kinds of people:
those who can count and those who can’t
Left wing management
April 21st, 2011
12:58 pm
Good Fight: “Comedian Jerry Seinfeld canceled an appearance at one of Donald Trump’s charity events, saying that he is disturbed by Trump’s rhetoric about President Obama / Well at least someone showed some standards.”
Great point. Shame (and thus, shaming) is maybe not completely dead.
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
12:58 pm
getalife….what does his hair have to do with anything…..although it is pretty aweful isnt it? haha
jm
April 21st, 2011
12:59 pm
UGA1999 – he was talking seriously. If you’re running for President:
A. you don’t say things that you’re kidding about
B. you don’t say things that will seriously piss off the whole rest of the world and make us a pariah.
That said, I will vote for any serious legitimate Republican candidate 7 out of 7 days every week. But that does not include Palin or Trump.
USinUK
April 21st, 2011
12:59 pm
getalife – some of my most favoritest tv coverage of him ever was when he was here visiting St Andrews to talk about building his golf course / resort … not even his teflon hair could stand up to Scottish windy weather ..
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
1:00 pm
UGA1999=baby WOW
jm
April 21st, 2011
1:00 pm
USinUK 12:58 – that’s funny.
I used to tell women (when I was single) that I was 1/3 Irish, 1/3 Scottish, and 1/3 English. All women who said “oh that’s interesting” were immediately on the “ignore” list.
USinUK
April 21st, 2011
1:01 pm
jm – hahaha … Irish / Scottish / English – talk about conflicted!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
1:02 pm
he also knows how to manage MULTI businesses and manage multi millions of dollars
got proof that he actually manages? I mean exclude the ones that lease his name and the ones that exclude him from management And the ones where he is paid salary but claims he does not run them when they go bankrupt…..
USinUK
April 21st, 2011
1:02 pm
jm – I always joke that I’m Scottish from my mother’s side, Italian from my dad’s – so I want to invite everyone over for dinner, then charge them for it
NIght Train
April 21st, 2011
1:02 pm
One thing that Donald understands that Obama doesn’t quite get is how to balance the budget.
QUIT SPENDING
We can not raise the debt limit and still not default on our loans. Anyone that claims they are tired together is clueless!
QUIT SPENDING
Spend the next 4 years cutting the spending then if that doesn’t work, then and only then we’ll talk about raising taxes.
stands for decibels
April 21st, 2011
1:04 pm
Stands….that is great sounds like he has your vote!
He might have my vote in the GA GOP primary, if I’m feeling extra-hateful that day.
jm
April 21st, 2011
1:05 pm
USinUK 1:01 – it was more about the genome…. um. no one’s 1/3 anything….
USinUK
April 21st, 2011
1:05 pm
One thing that Donald understands that Obama doesn’t quite get is how to balance the budget.
the guy has declared bankruptcy … what … two? three? times???
yeah, he knows budgeting like karen carpenter knows gourmet food
USinUK
April 21st, 2011
1:06 pm
jm – depends on your parents
jm
April 21st, 2011
1:07 pm
in the category of holy sh-t. from the nytimes.com
The newest model on the shelves is the Tri-Phoria ($39.99), created by the condom company Trojan after a study the company conducted in 2008 in partnership with the Center for Sexual Health Promotion at Indiana University revealed that over half of American women had used vibrators
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
1:08 pm
UK…shame on you. The Donald did not file “bankruptcy”, he filed a “chapter”…… there must be a difference if he says so.
USinUK
April 21st, 2011
1:08 pm
off to play with bees …
later taters!
BMDPD
April 21st, 2011
1:08 pm
Why do you libs fear Trump so much? Is it because he has as much ’star power’ as Obama? Is it because he actually does have leadership experience in large organizations vice being a community organizer? Laugh all you want, he is legitimate. He also has something that Obama doesn’t. They are called BALLS! Maybe you liberals should get some (balls) instead of blaming your problems on everyone else.
NIght Train
April 21st, 2011
1:08 pm
And like spending your way out of debt is going to work?
jm
April 21st, 2011
1:09 pm
USinUK 1:08 – wait. bees? bee keeper? ditto
Jack
April 21st, 2011
1:10 pm
Trump is a joke. But a lesser joke than Obama.
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Yippee
April 21st, 2011
1:14 pm
Just the idea that anyone would consider Donald Trump as a serious candidate for ANY elected office, let alone the leader of the free world, makes me embarrassed for America.
Forget Trump being elected, as that would never happen. He won’t even run.
The fact that nimrods elected Obama as the “leader” of the free world, make me embarrassed for America
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
1:14 pm
Jack….agreed….noone can deny the entertainment value of the next election. It is going to be very interesting. I can not wait to see Trump debate Obama. They should have it on PPV and send the proceeds to the debt!!
jm
April 21st, 2011
1:17 pm
Is Newtster like Bankster and Gangster? If so, it’s time to call Obama: The Barackster.
Granny Godzilla
April 21st, 2011
1:18 pm
Why is you Reps take our flat out mockery of the Palins and Trumps of the world as fear?
That’s just bizarre.
Normal
April 21st, 2011
1:18 pm
As long as Trump stays on the “Birther” crud, he has no credibility. That issue is long past and if there was a shred of truth to it the National Republican Party would have been all over it. Trump is a bigger fraud than Newt. They are both just in it for the money. You “Birther Belivers” are just too naive to see it. Just like thinking spending cuts produce jobs.
An aside: The GOP does not produce jobs…they peoduce the jobless.
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
1:19 pm
jm….kind of like the crazy things Obama has said….
* The Cambridge Police acted stupidly.
* I think when you spread the wealth around it is good for everybody.
* I will close Gitmo
* I will pull all of your troops out of Iraq and Afganistan.
* My Muslim Faith
* 57 states
* Living my fathers dreams…
Do you mean things said like this? Great point!
@@
April 21st, 2011
1:20 pm
Maybe they could be running mates.
Since neither of them are adept at heterosexual relationships, perhaps they could simply be mates?
Seriously, jay…when did people’s personal lives become a left-winger’s business? Multiple marriages seem to get your nosey noses out of joint.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
1:20 pm
Normal….hmmmm lets see….Republicans are the “evil rich” Demoncrats depend on the socialized government handouts…. Repubs produce the jobless??? hahat is comical! Keep up the good work.
jm
April 21st, 2011
1:21 pm
UGA1999- pretty much exactly like those kinds of things….
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
1:22 pm
Jm…..sweet we agree.
Peadawg
April 21st, 2011
1:24 pm
“Why is you Reps take our flat out mockery of the Palins and Trumps of the world as fear?”
It’s kinda like in elementary/middle school when you pick on the one you have a crush on.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
1:25 pm
Seriously, jay…when did people’s personal lives become a left-winger’s business
You mean like gay marriage, family values, DADT….those big liberal platforms?
Left wing management
April 21st, 2011
1:26 pm
Yippee: “Forget Trump being elected, as that would never happen. He won’t even run.”
Wrong on both counts.
If you think a man who shows a willingness to pander to Americans love of tough, straight talk (let’s just take the oil! instead of being bullied by China, let’s just start bullying them! yeah!), then you are a truly naive person.
And if you think Trump wouldn’t actually run, then you’re doubly naive. As Eugene Robinson pointed out at WaPo the other day, these things have a way of passing a point of no return. Trump may end up in a place where he’s gotten more than he bargained for, but where it’s too late to turn back. Woe until all of us if he gets to that point.
But to think that it couldn’t happen – or to say as Plouffe stupidly did that the American people are never going to hire him – would be a colossal stupidity.
lesser of two evils
April 21st, 2011
1:27 pm
I can’t disagree with Newtie on this one. At least Trump understands economics and business. Obama doesn’t understand anything.
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
1:27 pm
Keep Up…..thos are not personal issues those are social issues. Keep up.
Gm
April 21st, 2011
1:28 pm
Let see how stupid America can be? one that had 4 ex wifes 2 mistress, ran a slum lord in Ny.
The other lead a charge on the President to impeachment for having a extra marriage affair while at the same time cheating on his wife.
I’m sorry Idiots I will take the guy who loves his family and have morles and stick up for the elderly any day over satan Rep party.
Left wing management
April 21st, 2011
1:30 pm
Sorry for the fragment Yippee:
If you think a man who shows a willingness to pander to Americans love of tough, straight talk that oversimplifies complex issues in moral terms (let’s just take the oil! instead of being bullied by China, let’s just start bullying them! yeah!) couldn’t get elected in this country, then you are a truly naive person.
Granny Godzilla
April 21st, 2011
1:30 pm
Peadawg
In grade school mockery = love not fear.
There must have been a little pig tailed girl in your primary days…
I promise you we are FLAT OUT MOCKING Trump and Palin.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
1:31 pm
UGA…well thanks for finally making it clear. As long as we are talking in general, its a social issue. As actually applied to the people who profess stands on the social issues, then its personal and thus off-limits (well at lest if they are republican).
Got it.
Peadawg
April 21st, 2011
1:32 pm
“I promise you we are FLAT OUT MOCKING Trump and Palin.”
And they say, “Thanks for the attention” while whipping there ars with $20s.
poison pen
April 21st, 2011
1:33 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
1:25 pm
Seriously, jay…when did people’s personal lives become a left-winger’s business
You mean like gay marriage, family values, DADT….those big liberal platforms?
Keepup, Would you like to be in a shower or lockeroom with a bunch of guys watching you, I think you are a female, please correct me if I’m wrong, If your young, good looking and strong like the majority of our soldiers then please tell me how you keep your sexual impulses down.
Do you even think before you post?
As far as family values go all you libs sure support the death panels as per Jay’s & The Racists blog ( C.T. )
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
1:35 pm
Gm….America can be pretty stupid we elected a Muslim president!
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
1:36 pm
“It’s kinda like in elementary/middle school when you pick on the one you have a crush on.”
OR, picking on the ones that have no chance of whoopin you.
Your own GOP heads say they are NOT satisfied with the choices.
Libertarian
April 21st, 2011
1:37 pm
I would choose almost anyone over Obama.
poison pen
April 21st, 2011
1:38 pm
Gm
April 21st, 2011
1:28 pm
Let see how stupid America can be? one that had 4 ex wifes 2 mistress, ran a slum lord in Ny.
The other lead a charge on the President to impeachment for having a extra marriage affair while at the same time cheating on his wife.
I’m sorry Idiots I will take the guy who loves his family and have morles and stick up for the elderly any day over satan Rep party.
GM, Then is it safe to say that you didn’t vote for Clinton and never supported the other piece of trash that fathered a child while his wife was dying of cancer, you know John Edwards, or the Kennedys if you are old enough.
You are either a Libertarian or dumber than hell. which is it?
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
1:38 pm
“Gm….America can be pretty stupid we elected a Muslim president!”
And thats when we realized you have NO cred.
Granny Godzilla
April 21st, 2011
1:38 pm
“America can be pretty stupid we elected a Muslim president!”
That ain’t just your sign….it’s a revelation.
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
1:38 pm
Libertarian
April 21st, 2011
1:37 pm
I would choose almost anyone over Obama.
Charlie Sheen?
Normal
April 21st, 2011
1:39 pm
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
1:20 pm
I see you’re good at talking points, so…in your own words, tell me how I’m wrong. Original thoughts, please.
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
1:39 pm
Joe….really? why is that please explain.
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
1:39 pm
Normal…wrong about what?
Scott
April 21st, 2011
1:40 pm
I don’t see what the problem is with his comment. If you have to choose between two incompetent morons, one of them has to lose. Jay, it is kind of like picking between reading the crap you put out versus the crap put out by Cynthia. In this case, you are my Donald Trump.
Libertarian
April 21st, 2011
1:40 pm
Joe
I said almost anyone. Sheen v Obama….I’d just stay home and not vote.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
1:41 pm
Poison…please stop picturing me in a shower perv
How do I keep my sexual impulses down…well first I accept that I am not an animal who cannot control impluses. Are you aroused by The David and thus incapable of control?
Its obvious your thinking of something before you post, it may not however be the right things for this blog.
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
1:41 pm
Hey Joe…Who is Barry Soetoro?
Jonas
April 21st, 2011
1:42 pm
Bookman spews venom about those who care about tax $’s while working for a company that was and is abusing the tax system. Kind of like I work for Penthouse but claim you care deeply about women’s issues. He chops the head off a blogger at saying minorites beat the daylights out of the MARTA riders claiming they were jumping to conclusions. A few days ago a number of bloggers spewing idiocy that MARTA is as safe as grandpa’s el darado.
Bottom line- media is dumb, not stupid- they will figure out that blogs like this really are comedy and written by folks with the intellect of a college kid and the emotion of a 9 year old. They will also recognize the same10 folks blog 12 times a day and this little ditty goes the way of the dinosaur.
The AJC does have, and I applaud them, good investigative journalist that do uncover a lot of gov’t corruption. More funding should go that cause.
Bookman/Tucker couldn’t pass a test on metro Atlanta history.
Peadawg
April 21st, 2011
1:42 pm
“Jay, it is kind of like picking between reading the crap you put out versus the crap put out by Cynthia. In this case, you are my Donald Trump.”
BMDPD
April 21st, 2011
1:43 pm
Hah! I hit a nerve. You really do fear Trump. Trump said he thought the president was ‘probably’ born here. He also thinks that he has something to hide. Big deal. How does that make him a birther? Americans are curious by nature. Why not the long form? Heck, if I were Obama, then I would have presented it (long form) on the first day the question was asked.
Scott
April 21st, 2011
1:43 pm
Left Wing management “may end up in a place where he’s gotten more than he bargained for, but where it’s too late to turn back. ”
Ar first I thought you were describing our president with this comment.
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
1:43 pm
“I said almost anyone. Sheen v Obama….I’d just stay home and not vote.”
Well, thats what your options are looking like.
OBAMA<————WINNING!
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
1:43 pm
Jonas….A “FREAKING” MEN!!! Preach on brother.
Zedd
April 21st, 2011
1:43 pm
The Donald is about as relevant as Jay’s opinion pieces. Keep up the top notch journalism Jay!
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
1:44 pm
“Joe….really? why is that please explain.”
No my friend, you made the muslim claim, therefore you need to support it.
Link please?
stands for decibels
April 21st, 2011
1:44 pm
Getalife….he also knows how to manage MULTI businesses and manage multi millions of dollars.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124261067783429043.html#articleTabs%3Darticle
“My net worth fluctuates, and it goes up and down with markets and with attitudes and with feelings, even my own feeling,” he told lawyers in the December 2007 deposition.
Left wing management
April 21st, 2011
1:44 pm
BMDPD: “Why do you libs fear Trump so much? Is it because he has as much ’star power’ as Obama? Is it because he actually does have leadership experience in large organizations vice being a community organizer? Laugh all you want, he is legitimate. He also has something that Obama doesn’t. They are called BALLS! Maybe you liberals should get some (balls) instead of blaming your problems on everyone else.”
Perfectly encapsulated in this post are all the stupidities that we have to fear in a possible Trump candidacy. They’re so classic I’ll take them one by one:
“Why do you libs fear Trump so much? Is it because he has as much ’star power’ as Obama? ”
Easy to strike this idiocy down. Obama was the opposite of a star. Even well past his speech at the Democratic convention in 2004, Obama was a virtual unknown outside political junky circles, and was even relatively unknown among African Americans.
“Is it because he actually does have leadership experience in large organizations vice being a community organizer? ”
You’re joking right? Donald Trump is the quintessence of a rich daddy’s boy who was born on 3rd and thought he hit a triple. He has 3 bankruptcies and a history littered with failures. The fact that you’re ignoring this, when your own ideology normally touts business acumen as the be-all end-all, suggests to me that you’re easy prey to 2nd rate thinking and demagoguery.
“Laugh all you want, he is legitimate. ”
I’m not laughing at all.
“He also has something that Obama doesn’t. They are called BALLS!”
This is strictly speaking correct, but nothing is more dangerous in a leader than balls without brains.
“Maybe you liberals should get some (balls) instead of blaming your problems on everyone else.”
The problem isn’t liberals doing this, it’s the populace as a whole. During times or turmoil, the masses are always vulnerable to panderers offering pseudo-, oversimplified solutions.
Jay
April 21st, 2011
1:45 pm
“In this case, you are my Donald Trump.”
Well, I may be your Donald Trump, Scott, but with better hair, right? I mean, you gotta give me that much.
Right?
de po' White Man
April 21st, 2011
1:46 pm
He chops the head off a blogger
help! I’m being oppressed!
shawny
April 21st, 2011
1:47 pm
Misleading.
This is not a standing approval of the Donald, but rather, a comparison between the Donald and the current incumbent incompetent.
I am sure if asked directly if the Donald would be the Newt’s first choice, the Newt would probably answer no.
BMDPD
April 21st, 2011
1:47 pm
Jay comes up with a funny every now and then. He is particularly funny today.
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
1:48 pm
Joe….how many Christians do you know that have kept their Muslim name?
He is the only president in HISTORY to not have selected his official church in Washington….
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
1:50 pm
“You have to stop asking me about a birth certificate,” Trump said on CNN, after weeks in which his play to the widely discredited “birther” movement has allowed him to dominate media coverage of the presidential race. “You’ve got to stop asking the questions.
“The problem is every time I go on a show – like as an example, this morning – the first question you asked me is about the birth certificate,” said Trump, who has said on numerous occasions that he’s “proud” to embrace the issue. “I think my strength is jobs, the economy and protecting our nation from OPEC, China and the other countries that are ripping us off.”
CNN’s Ali Velshi had given Trump a chance to disavow his claims about Obama, which Velshi called a “ludicrous discussion.” Confronted with Trump’s exasperation at the birther questions, Velshi shot back: “We’ll stop asking you the questions when you stop saying that President Obama can’t prove he is born in the United States. Is that a deal?”
Hello, Hello, Hello…..Donald, you still on the line…
lol
reebok
April 21st, 2011
1:50 pm
hilarious…Newt and Trump, cut from the same cloth…
Scott
April 21st, 2011
1:51 pm
Better hair than who….Donald or Cynthia? I guess I can give you the edge in both. that is assuming that your picture above is accurate and you haven’t started growing a mullet so that you can get your picture featured on peopleofwalmart.com
“Well, I may be your Donald Trump, Scott, but with better hair, right? I mean, you gotta give me that much.”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
1:51 pm
What provision of the US Constitution requires a president to select an official church in Washington?
TaxPayer
April 21st, 2011
1:52 pm
Seriously, jay…when did people’s personal lives become a left-winger’s business?
Seriously, Jay. Just plain seriously. I mean seriously. Seriously.
Peadawg
April 21st, 2011
1:52 pm
“Well, I may be your Donald Trump, Scott, but with better hair, right? I mean, you gotta give me that much.”
If your hair is the only thing you have going better than Trump, that’s not saying much, Jay.
DB
April 21st, 2011
1:53 pm
When will we hear Donald talk about some real policies. All I hear him say is the President’s birth certificate real and of course “You’re fired” Is he a side show like Ross P? will Sara P be his running mate? Let’s here you talk about this country and other policies people want to hear if you really want to be President.
Joe
April 21st, 2011
1:54 pm
“If my choice was Barack Obama or Donald Duck, I would have zero hesitation saying that Donald Trump is dramatically less dangerous to America’s future than Barack Obama, and I’d be happy to campaign for him.”
Anybody but Obama!!!!!
Gm
April 21st, 2011
1:54 pm
UGA1999:
I expect that from a loser school, Let see , I rather have a muslim President that cares about the middle class and Seniors then a christian that got 4500 Ameerican troops dead and 5,000 dead in Ny with their policies.
Go gators
RGB
April 21st, 2011
1:54 pm
America is much poorer than just 2 years ago, we’re on the decline, unemployment has been too high for too long, the average family has lost $100k in net worth, and other countries have lost respect for the USA, and we’re in a third war now. On top of that, the President and his party have not offered a single legitimate idea to extricate us from the mess they exacerbated.
BUT, Barack Obama has had only one wife and that makes me feel much better about everything.
See, I’d rather the USA be in a terminal fiscal and moral mess and be able to say our president has been married only once than I would for American to be prosperous and have a president that has been married more than once.
One has to have his priorities straight.
Peace be with you Barack.
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
1:54 pm
“Joe….how many Christians do you know that have kept their Muslim name? ”
THE BOSS that sit in the White House who attended a CHRISTIAN church for 20 years.
OHHH yeah, it was all part of the conspiracy of ‘61.
Where's My Party?
April 21st, 2011
1:55 pm
LOL…good caption. That’s pretty good.
Unfortunately what Newt says “Donald Trump is dramatically less dangerous to America’s future than Barack Obama” is absolutely true.
Yeah...rrrrrrrright!
April 21st, 2011
1:56 pm
There is no way in hell would I EVER vote for a fool like Trump! He is an idiot! I would prefer to vote for Palin!
Left wing management
April 21st, 2011
1:56 pm
BMDPD: “Hah! I hit a nerve. You really do fear Trump.”
No, I don’t think you’ve “hit a nerve”, you’ve just hit the wall of the echo chamber of your own ideological talking points, from which you’re apparently unable to emerge long enough to actually engage in a discussion with someone with an orientation other than your own.
The fact that you say “you really do fear Trump” suggests someone’s trying to deny that they fear him, which as far as I know is not the case. In any case whether we fear Trump or not is not the issue, it’s what a Trump presidency would mean for this country.
Be interesting to see if you can defend any of the claims you make in your very interesting 1:08 post.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
1:57 pm
DB, well Trump says he will seize oil fields in Iraq by force — http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2011/04/donald-trumps-solution-on-gas-prices-get-tough-with-saudi-arabia-seize-oil-fields-in-libya-and-iraq.html
Scott
April 21st, 2011
1:59 pm
GM “I expect that from a loser school, Let see , I rather have a muslim President that cares about the middle class and Seniors then a christian that got 4500 Ameerican troops dead and 5,000 dead in Ny with their policies.”
Well you have a president right now that does not care about anybody but himself so what does that do for you. BTW….where are you pulling 5000 dead in NY from? Not quite understanding that one. Just wondering though..have you been keep track of the number of soldiers who have died in battle since Obama took over as POTUS? I am sure you haven’t. You only do that when it is convenient for you. You use them like pawns…..typical lib.
Midori
April 21st, 2011
2:00 pm
Jay – your 1:45 is pretty funny
for your viewing pleasure: http://thinkprogress.org/2011/04/20/paul-ryan-wealthy-tax-breaks
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
2:00 pm
Gm…what year did you graduate…..There is NO way you graduated if you say you did you are a liar. You may be a Gator fan but you are not a graduate.
Mick
April 21st, 2011
2:01 pm
When it comes down to discussing newt and the donald, my advice to you all is…….more bong hits…. because really these two have zero chance of making it to the big show…
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
2:02 pm
Still waiting UGA1999…..
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
2:02 pm
Jay….for?
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
2:03 pm
Joe…for?
Smokewagon
April 21st, 2011
2:04 pm
It’s really funny to come into this blog and see people who voted for a totally inexperienced non citizen who has an anti American agenda ridicule a potentially strong opposition candidate. Trump has forgotten more than your Obama will ever know.
Brad Spencer
April 21st, 2011
2:04 pm
Fool. Zany. Which is which?
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
2:06 pm
A reply or explanation to:
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
1:54 pm
POST
BMDPD
April 21st, 2011
2:06 pm
I don’t need to defend claims.
1. Libs fear Trump
2. Sadly, Trump has Star Power. The Dems marketed BO for star power and his race didn’t hurt him either (95% of the black vote).
3. Trump has run large organizations. (The funny thing is that he failed, picked himself back up each time. He didn’t whine and ask for government subsidies.) Why?
4. Because he has BALLS. Liberals don’t! They would have folded after the first bankruptcy, blamed the rich man and asked for assistance.
5. Regardless of what you THINK. He has brains. Look where he is! Look where you are! Jealous much?
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
2:07 pm
@UGA1999
A reply or explanation to:
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
1:54 pm
POST
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
2:07 pm
Joe….I already did.
Gm
April 21st, 2011
2:08 pm
TUGA1999
1995, When we were still choking bulldogs on the field, calling the President a Muslim does not surprised me comming from the racist school of UGA””
md
April 21st, 2011
2:08 pm
“because really these two have zero chance of making it to the big show…”
In 2007, I recall many an analyst, d and r alike that stated the current CIC had no chance of making it to the big show either……….pretty much said he couldn’t get past the Clinton machine if his life depended on it……….
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
2:08 pm
BMDPD
April 21st, 2011
2:06 pm
I don’t need to defend claims
Typical CON!
Jay
April 21st, 2011
2:09 pm
Seems to me that we have a relatively small number of conservatives on this board arguing that the attention paid to Trump is a liberal conspiracy to make them look bad. Meanwhile, an even larger group of conservatives is here celebrating the possibility of a President Donald.
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
2:09 pm
Gm….what was your major….did you pledge. I know many of the professors at UF.
Mighty Righty
April 21st, 2011
2:10 pm
Obama lowered the standard. Anyone, can now be president regsrdless of experience. Come on people, we have a community organizer acting as President and you hsve the stones to question a successful businessman’s qualifications. Reminds me of when Reagan was running against Carter and Democrats were questioning Reagan’s background as an actor. Apropriately the sloagan was, “Why not an actor, We’ve tried a clown!” I would say an accurate slogan for Trump would be, “Why not a success we have tried a failure!”
Chuck Waggin
April 21st, 2011
2:10 pm
If Newt and Donald were not both already married again, they could date. Get married. That way , they could double their chances of getting in the White House in 2012 while cutting their campaign expenses. I think they’d be cute together. I’d even vote for them in the primary. I would. Yes, I would.
md
April 21st, 2011
2:11 pm
Based on what I’ve seen on this blog, UF might want to revamp it’s english department…………
Gm
April 21st, 2011
2:11 pm
Scott :
Well you have a president right now that does not care about anybody but himself so what does that do for you. BTW….where are you pulling 5000.
I guess thats why he is standing up for the middle class, and seniors because he dont care.
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
2:11 pm
@UGA1999
Sorry. I dont see an explanation as to your claim about him being a Muslim, and attending a Christian church for 20 years.
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
2:11 pm
Jay…and?
a reader
April 21st, 2011
2:11 pm
i voted for obama, but i the america deserves donald trump.
BMDPD
April 21st, 2011
2:12 pm
http://www.legalzoom.com/legal-headlines/celebrity-lawsuits/how-does-trump-repeatedly-file
This shows that Trump knows how to generate a ‘win-win’ situation.
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
2:12 pm
Joe….you call Jeremiah Wright a Christian???? HAHHAA that explains alot.
Chuck Waggin
April 21st, 2011
2:12 pm
I think BMDPD is jealous of Newt. Someone give the guy Donald’s contact information.
mike
April 21st, 2011
2:14 pm
It would be nice to have either of these morons as President and the other as VP. They could actually fight it out on tv in one of those MME matches. Or the people could decide by seeing which one had the most wives or which one uses the biggest words that no one understands.
Mick
April 21st, 2011
2:14 pm
bm
Since wealth seems to be your qualifier, I’ll go with either gates, buffet or jobs, between the three of them zero bankruptcy’s. Yes, wealth should determine who’s president why it’s in the constitution. What’s that? Oh it’s not? Should be, because I say so….
a reader
April 21st, 2011
2:14 pm
i voted for obama, but i believe that america deserves donald trump.
hate when another app interrupts my typing and i don’t notice.
BMDPD
April 21st, 2011
2:16 pm
Actually, I am jealous of liberals. I wish I could be a complete slacker with no morals or no personal accountability or responsibility. But Alas NO, I have to work for a living to support my family and pay taxes for slackers with no morals or personal responsibility.
Dave R.
April 21st, 2011
2:17 pm
” I would have zero hesitation saying that Donald Trump is dramatically less dangerous to America’s future than Barack Obama,”
TESTIFY!
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
2:17 pm
“Joe….you call Jeremiah Wright a Christian???? HAHHAA that explains alot.”
It WASNT a Mosque. So again dude, you have NO cred around here and cant support your claims. Only whatever WND tells you, huh?
Great....
April 21st, 2011
2:18 pm
…now we’ve got UGA1999 going back to the old “he’s not a Christian” game plan. How productive.
BMDPD
April 21st, 2011
2:18 pm
Mick, you sure read a lot into my post. Wealth has nothing to do with it. He doesn’t accept failure. He picks himself back up. He doesn’t blame anyone. He makes the best out of difficult situations.
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
2:19 pm
Joe….prove he is not Muslim…HE EVEN SAID HE WAS “my muslim faith”.
Come on man.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
2:19 pm
No Dave R., you do not get to use that.
Mighty Righty
April 21st, 2011
2:20 pm
GM…more US killed in Afghanistan since Barack Hussein Obama has been president than in the Bush years! Fact, 60% more. Five killed last week including one from Georgia. But this administration with the help of the media calls them NATO troops to obscure realty.
Dave R.
April 21st, 2011
2:20 pm
I’ll bet Trump could nail a fastball down the middle for a strike when tossing out the first pitch.
Hope & Punt ™ ? Not so much.
Unless he starts from halfway between the mound and home plate.
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
2:21 pm
There are three active articles on the first page of CNN right now about Trump…..
And you guys dont think he is a threat!
BMDPD
April 21st, 2011
2:21 pm
A better caption would be:
“This is the combined IQ of the entire democratic party.”
Dave R.
April 21st, 2011
2:21 pm
“No Dave R., you do not get to use that.”
Consider trademarking the phrase as I did with Hope & Punt ™ , Bosch.
Left wing management
April 21st, 2011
2:22 pm
BMDPD 2:06, I realize I may be over-stretching you a bit here in the intellectual category, but for the record, my point is not to dispute the assertions you’ve made, but to point out how your assertions are trivial, merely diversions. I do not dispute, for ex., that “libs fear Trump” (whatever a “lib” is), or that Trump has star power, but instead argue: so what? (I assume you were part of the crowd saying 2 yrs ago that Obama had “star power” and that was the only reason for his election, yet now you’re touting it as a plus? not very intellectually rigorous there, BMDPD).
If Trump didn’t have to ask for government subsidies (and somehow I seriously doubt that), that might have been because he was born into wealth and didn’t have to worry about it. The point being: he still had a backstop (a.k.a. inherited wealth), somebody else to bail him out when he fell off his horse.
The statement “because he has balls, liberals don’t” is proof of a mind that’s not clicking on all cylinders. One doesn’t prove the other, my little friend. In reality of course, a Trump presidency might REALLY bring to light is the fact that the GOP has none, not the Dems.
As for my brains vs Trump’s, I’ve listened to him in interviews and I’m not worried about my intellectual abilities vis-a-vis Mr. Trump’s. Be-lieve me.
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
2:22 pm
Mighty….no sense talking about facts with GM or any of those from the left. They cant take the truth and do not want to hear it.
Corey
April 21st, 2011
2:22 pm
There is a congressman from Minnesota who is a devout Muslim and his name has absolutely no Arabic/ Muslim origin. Keith Ellison. Does that sound Muslim to you cerebrally challenged out there? Why is Georgia so proud of its ignorant among us? Throughout the black community there are thousands of black men named Kamal, Jamal, Muhammad etc. who attend church on Sunday and shout to Jesus. With the south being the black belt you would think that the average white southerner would know that, or do you some of you wait to be told by local news broadcasts at five and eleven?
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
2:23 pm
Actually, Dave, it’s a USinUK phrase, but I know she wouldn’t approve of you using it either.
I do like Hope and Punt though….clever.
As to the Obama and Muslim faith stupid:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslimfaith.asp
Paul
April 21st, 2011
2:23 pm
Hi Midori!
Good article. When Ryan gets hit with that by conservative constituents… well, maybe he’ll want to compromise.
Will the RNC let him stay in the Party if he compromises?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
2:23 pm
The more UGA1999 posts the more I am reminded of the nonsense posts and sheer noise without content of a foolish poster who was recently banned.
Alatsea
April 21st, 2011
2:24 pm
All you denirecrats will wet yourself when the Donald wins. By you people bring in boy BO the standard has taken to the lowest level. How can you logically defend BO and his band of idiots. You have consumed the kool aid are nothing than pond scum now.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
2:24 pm
Mighty Righty
How often did the Right speak out against US deaths in Afghanistan before Obama became president?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
2:24 pm
What is the litmus test for “proving” someone is a Christian?
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
April 21st, 2011
2:25 pm
Well, if this keeps up I’ll have no choice but to run, just to save the Republican party. Now I ain’t got a fox squirrel on my head and I’ve only had one wife and I was never bankrupt, but I can say dumb things every bit as good as Trump and the rest of them.
Does the White House have extra wide doors and reinforced floors and ramps? I got to think of the needs of my family too.
jm
April 21st, 2011
2:25 pm
Jay 1:45 “Right?” was that an attempt at a Trump impersonation?
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
2:25 pm
Keep….you have yet to post any facts, stats or links to support any of your claims. All you do is come on this blog and tell the right how “stupid” they are. Kind of reminds me of a conversation with an 8 year old.
How is third grade today?
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
2:25 pm
“There are three active articles on the first page of CNN right now about Trump…..”
Liberal Media 101=Put you on every article, every show, every blog, all the airtime you want, just so you can expose how STUPID you are.
Palin is a prime example. The Donald is NEXT.
stands for decibels
April 21st, 2011
2:25 pm
wealth should determine who’s president why it’s in the constitution. What’s that? Oh it’s not?
Nor is there a religious test for candidacy, in fact such a thing is quite explicitly forbidden…something our guy-who-needs-to-tell-everyone-where-he-dun-gradjeated-skool-‘n-when apparently didn’t learn over there at the 13th Grade in Athens…
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(sorry, UGAers. I know the tiny handful of imbeciles who post under some “dawg” variant here are not representative of your generally fine institution.)
Paul
April 21st, 2011
2:25 pm
Corey
Ellison can’t be a Muslim. He regularly appears on Fox.
John
April 21st, 2011
2:25 pm
@ BMDPD – You are right on the money. The Donald has balls. That’s a lot more than Obama can say. he is NOT a leader whatsoever. Obama thought he was going to breeze into the White house and fill the world with a bunch of his BS rhetoric and suddenly, all countries would once again like America. How has that worked out for you Obama? Instead of taking direct immediate stances on ANY issue, what does our current so called leader of the greatest country on earth do? NOTHING!!! He waits for everyone elses input before he cast his own opinion. I’ve NEVER seen one President go on so many talk shows and want to be in front of the camera to “Look cool” for the younger generation of idiots out there who think they will vote for Obama because he’s cool and listens to Jay Z!!! REALLY? It’s the younger generation he and hi party of trolls go after because they are so clueless, they beleive every word Obama, CNN or MSNBC says.
WAKE THE HELL UP AMERICA!
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
2:25 pm
Keep up…..what is the litmus test for “proving” someone Muslim.
Corey
April 21st, 2011
2:25 pm
And another thing, Barak Obama is Swahili. You know Swahili, the lingua franca of Africa? Geez, the ignorance on these forums makes me want to vomit!
jm
April 21st, 2011
2:26 pm
Dave R: Obama’s Punts leave No Hope for Deficit Reduction.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
2:27 pm
When thinking of the sheer nonsense possibility of a Trump candidacy, I’m reminded of the wise words of the wonderful Mrs. G when Fred Thompson ran in 2008 and so dramatically fizzled out:
“Fred who?”
Sometimes simple is just the best.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
2:27 pm
Will Redneck pass out pints of whiskey or 6-packs of PBR on election day?
Heck, doesn’t matter. If those are the candidates, we’ll just need alcohol -
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
2:28 pm
Keep up….Funny story. I was in St. Lucia recently and met up with another couple from Canada and another couple from London. They both had originally supported Obama and now they dont as much.
Anyways something they said I thought was funny. “How in the world can America be two wars against a people and a religion that is at war with the USA and then elect a president with a Muslim name. The entire world is laughing at the US now. Wheither he is muslim or not it sent a huge message to the rest of the work that America is falling fast.”
Interesting eh…
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
2:29 pm
“What is the litmus test for “proving” someone is a Christian?”
I guess being a member of the Westboro (sp) church. Is that where you attend UDumb1999??
BMDPD
April 21st, 2011
2:29 pm
Left, if the the Dems had balls they would have passed a budget. That is not even intelligence my friend. That is common sense! They were too afraid of the public’s reaction if they screwed up. They saw the poll numbers after the Obamacrap health bill.
Second, you can’t see past your nose. Star Power is big. You think that it doesn’t matter? How many people think. “Cool man, a black president promising hope and change. That is rockin.” Those same people “Cool man, the you’re fired guy is runnin. Man, that is rockin.”
So, your questioning of my intelligence proves your own stupidity. Nice try.
jm
April 21st, 2011
2:29 pm
Paul 2:27
no chance…. but I think it’ll be a nail biter worthy of alcohol no matter what.
truthfully, I’m getting kind of impatient…. Primary season isn’t over until early next year….
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
2:30 pm
“all countries would once again like America”
“Would” is the wrong word choice here……it appears they DO……
http://www.gallup.com/poll/146771/Worldwide-Approval-Leadership-Tops-Major-Powers.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=plaintextlink&utm_term=Presidential#1
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
2:31 pm
Joe Cool…..you got me! Westboro haha. here we go again with the ignorant rantings of the left. They cannot support facts and just throw out garbage.
Great job@!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
2:31 pm
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
2:25 pm
Keep….you have yet to post any facts, stats or links to support any of your claims.
See 1:57 post
I guess someone missed class the day the teacher taught the children what a link is.
Mick
April 21st, 2011
2:31 pm
redneck – fox squirrel on my head…now that’s funny
bm
Fair enough, but all this white washing about libs is just plain lazy stereotyping. There is no monolithic group with all the exact same beliefs, it’s a myth and way too many fall into that hole to exorcise their own political demons….
Left wing management
April 21st, 2011
2:32 pm
BMDPD: “Left, if the the Dems had balls they would have passed a budget. That is not even intelligence my friend. That is common sense! They were too afraid of the public’s reaction if they screwed up”
You get no disagreement from me there.
Btw, in your two scenarios with “that is rockin” are you sure it’s the “same people” ? I’m not so sure.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
2:33 pm
UGA1999… how did they pay for their groceries and what kind of car did they get into?
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
2:33 pm
” They were too afraid of the public’s reaction if they screwed up. They saw the poll numbers after the Obamacrap health bill.”
BMDPD,
You mean those polls that say they like it?
http://www.gallup.com/video/146747/Video-Healthcare.aspx
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
2:34 pm
Keep….that post was toward DB. Not me.
Mighty Righty
April 21st, 2011
2:34 pm
UGA1999 is correct. Obama did say he was a muslim. But, we all must remember that Obama will say and do whatever he thinks is required to remain President. Truth is simply not part of his character. His disregard for the truth is on display daily which is why I am stunned that anyone would believe anything he says. This man will and has told you he wants to spend a trillion dollars in order to save money, and even Bookman believes him! It is a phenomenon that requires study.
Scott
April 21st, 2011
2:34 pm
Paul, How come the left has stopped counting the deaths. Come on you remember it all. They would mention the body count daily. Now, you don’t hear anything. I think we know why. You have a Dem in the White House and they can no longer use our soldiers as pawns. Now, if a Rep gets back into power, I am sure we will hear it nonstop again. You libs will even probably throw in the deaths that occurred under Obama’s watch into the mix.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
2:34 pm
Mighty Righty,
You might wanna check out the transcript I posted earlier regarding the “Obama said he was a Muslim” thing.
Mick
April 21st, 2011
2:35 pm
lwm
I prefer “spineless jellyfish”, at least they can still sting occasionally..
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
2:35 pm
” They would mention the body count daily.”
Or maybe, there aren’t dozens of people getting killed daily?
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
2:35 pm
Bosch….here is a recent poll from today…..Look at Obama’s approval rating…..and the bottom just keeps falling out!
http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx
Scott
April 21st, 2011
2:35 pm
Gm “I guess thats why he is standing up for the middle class, and seniors because he dont care.”
Let me guess….you were one of those people that were waiting in line to get some of that “free obama money”, aren’t you?
hahahaha He is there for the middle class and seniors. hahahaha… What a joke. He is there to increase the ranks of the poor so that he can ensure Democrat votes for years to come. If you think otherwise, then you are not paying attention.
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
2:36 pm
“Joe Cool…..you got me! Westboro haha. here we go again with the ignorant rantings of the left. They cannot support facts and just throw out garbage”
Dude, lets try this.
FACT: Prez Obama attended a “Christian” church for 20 years. You know, a place where they taught Christianity and the bible, NOT the Koran.
Whether you like the pastor or not, thats up to you.
YOUR go: I just need one FACT.
joe
April 21st, 2011
2:36 pm
Both of them are way more competent than our current Obozo-n-cheif…ABO in 2012–anyone but obama.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
2:37 pm
UGA,
Here’s some homework:
Compare that to Clinton and Reagan’s numbers at the same point during their first term..
jm
April 21st, 2011
2:37 pm
Barackster v. Newtster. Newtster gets my vote by a hair.
jm
April 21st, 2011
2:37 pm
Barackster v. Trumpster. Barackster gets my vote by a hair.
md
April 21st, 2011
2:37 pm
“This man will and has told you he wants to spend a trillion dollars in order to save money,”
I tell myself the same thing when I buy lottery tickets……………..and the folks at the grocery store remind me of how much I saved by shopping there…….as I in turn remind them that I’m the one that is still lighter in the wallet.
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
2:38 pm
Joe….you think Jeremiah Wright preached the bible????? HAHAHAHA HERE IS YOUR SIGN!!!
BMDPD
April 21st, 2011
2:38 pm
Bosch, don’t play stupid. You and I both know that over 50% of the nation was fighting mad when the healthcare bill passed.
Heck, the Dems aren’t completely stupid. If they would have passed a budget without having the conservatives to point the finger at, then they would have had even bigger losses in the senate or house.
Left wing management
April 21st, 2011
2:38 pm
Mick, dB:
Re wealth, in all seriousness I hear that Ralph Nader has said exactly this, that we’re at a point now where only someone with landed wealth, e.g. a Roosevelt, can save us now. With Obama, for ex., what you have is the ultimate technocratic striver who’s worked his way to the top, so upon ascending the very top of the hierarchy he’s spent his entire life climbing, he’s the VERY LAST person who can be expected to then begin dismantling it or challenge it in radical ways. He was way too much respect for that hierarchy, he owes his rise to it, so it’s folly to expect him to introduce radical change. By this logic, only someone who’s spent their entire life in that wealth and privilege, a Bill Gates or Roosevelt, etc. (could Trump fit this description?), will lack the awe of the power structure that’s required to truly revolutionize it.
Scott
April 21st, 2011
2:38 pm
Bosch, thanks for proving my point. You clearly have forgotten them. Soldiers are dying daily. I am sure that you would know that if a Rep was in the White House. Hell, you probably had some bodycount webpage saved on your internet explorer. You dig into your favorites and see if it still there. Of course, the lib rag mag you pulled it from probably stopped updating it in January 2009.
UGA1999
April 21st, 2011
2:38 pm
Ok guys I am out. Have a great weekend.
BMDPD
April 21st, 2011
2:39 pm
Oh Bosch….
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law
Paul
April 21st, 2011
2:39 pm
jm
“truthfully, I’m getting kind of impatient…. Primary season isn’t over until early next year….”
If this is Hell, we must be in it –
(cue in Scout…. three…. two…. one……)
BMDPD
April 21st, 2011
2:41 pm
Left wing, possibly the same people. Not all, but some. Especially the younger voters.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
2:41 pm
Scott
“Paul, How come the left has stopped counting the deaths. Come on you remember it all. They would mention the body count daily. Now, you don’t hear anything.”
Were they listing the deaths in Afghanistan, or in Iraq?
Can any of those who posted such clarify for us?
AmVet
April 21st, 2011
2:42 pm
What a disgrace for the once Grand Old Party.
Overrun with morons and shysters.
For proof, look no further than the ethics-free Georgia GOP…
Scott
April 21st, 2011
2:42 pm
“FACT: Prez Obama attended a “Christian” church for 20 years. You know, a place where they taught Christianity and the bible, NOT the Koran.
Whether you like the pastor or not, thats up to you.”
Wow so this is the first time I have ever seen a loony lefty actually acknowledge that Obama sat in the same church of Rev Wright for 20 years. 20YEARS!!!! and he never said “You know….this guy really spouts off a lot of hateful things about the US.” Most people that really feel pride for their country would have left within 20 seconds. But no…not Barack and Michelle “for the first time in my life I am finally proud of my country” Obama. it is unbelievable how much of a pass you guys give them.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 21st, 2011
2:42 pm
I’d settle for most any American over the Idiot Messiah, who is merely a citizen, one who aims to undo most of what made this country great (working for a living, two-parent families, self reliance).
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
2:42 pm
“You and I both know that over 50% of the nation was fighting mad when the healthcare bill passed. ”
Yes, they were, but now that parts of it have been implemented, namely the co-ops that people can buy into, they like it!!!
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
2:43 pm
Donald’s clearly signaling his lunch order to the waiter. What do you think he’s having?
Porterhouse
Sole Meunière
Rack of Lamb
Suckling Toddler
Something Else Entirely
Post your opinion!
BMDPD
April 21st, 2011
2:43 pm
Left wing, all I was saying is that star power can probably get you 5% of the votes on your own. How many famous people have ever run for office and lost? (Reagan, Bono, Osmond, Ventura, Arnold, Schuler). Heck, even Gopher from the Love Boat won!
md
April 21st, 2011
2:44 pm
Be honest Bosch……..the body counts and the war protesters slinked back into the crevices just as the Teapartiers have done the same…………
It definitely has to do with which “side” did what in any given election……………
MiltonMan
April 21st, 2011
2:45 pm
…and we wonder why The AJC is losing subscribers.
Jay, your obsession with the republican party needs some professional help. Maybe you should appear on the Dr. Phil show.
Jay
April 21st, 2011
2:45 pm
Scott, very few Americans questioned the necessity or wisdom of going after bin Ladin in Afghanistan. It was never a controversial war, and there was never a sense that those who fought and died there did so in vain or for less than an important cause.
The war in Iraq, a war of choice against a country that had not attacked us, was very different. The 5,000 Americans who died in that war gave the ultimate sacrifice for a cause that many of us still do not understand.
brin
April 21st, 2011
2:45 pm
If the choice was between Obama and Trump…I would vote for Trump in a heartbeat..Obama has not even ever managed a hot dog stand..He is an empty suit..Hope and change….how is that working out for you ? Are you better off now than before Obama ? Think about it !
Mick
April 21st, 2011
2:45 pm
lbb
Funny, but the previous president didn’t exactly cut the welfare rolls if you know what I mean? You guys are just totally obsessed with tagging obama for all your ills…get over it…
St Simons - we're on Island time
April 21st, 2011
2:47 pm
The Republican presidential candidates seem more like trail mix; an assortment of nutz with some dried up fruit mixed in.
BMDPD
April 21st, 2011
2:47 pm
Jay, in hind-sight (20/20). I too realize Iraq was a mistake, but I didn’t think so at the time. We all know to well, that I am not the only one. Many Democratic Senators thought so, too.
Scott
April 21st, 2011
2:47 pm
Paul are you serious? You know I thought were actually somewhat intellectual, were above the games, and were actually willing to look at both sides of an issue but apparently I was wrong on that one. If you went onto a blog like this, you would hear it nonstop. You know it is true. In fact, the only lib that I actually do admire now is Cindy Sheehan because at least she had the integrity to continue her observance of our soldiers’ lives. The Dems quickly dumped her. They were done using her as a pawn as soon as they realized that it was their man that she was criticizing now.
Gm
April 21st, 2011
2:47 pm
Mighty Righty: I wonder how you hypocrites would have reacted to Obama if 5,000 Americans were attacked under his watch” you hypocrites freaked out over the Gulf spill, but this great President did not listen to you idiots and was calm and cool and look what happen.
George W had of told the truth we would not have 4500 American troops dead,we will never get attacked under this great President because of the world respect him even though we have a bunch of bigots and hicks who have no respect, people around the world wish they had some a classy, grace ful leader.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
2:48 pm
St. Simons — “The Republican presidential candidates seem more like trail mix; an assortment of nutz with some dried up fruit mixed in.”
I thought it was more like a granola cereal, ’cause there’s more than a few flakes present, too.
BMDPD
April 21st, 2011
2:48 pm
Man, that was terrible. Let me repost.
Jay, in hind-sight (20/20) I too realize Iraq was a mistake, but I didn’t think so at the time. We all know too well, that I am not the only one. Many Democratic Senators thought so, too.
jm
April 21st, 2011
2:49 pm
Barackster v. Romney.
Barackster v. Daniels.
Barackster v. Huntsman.
I’ll go broke donating to the RNC
MiltonMan
April 21st, 2011
2:49 pm
Donald Duck Trump is about as popular with the republicans as are the Demorats with the voters of the state of GA.
Whatever happened to Roy Rat Barnes, Vernon Jones, Max Cleland, Mike Thurmond, Cythnia McKinney, etc., etc.?
jm
April 21st, 2011
2:50 pm
I would like to be on island time. As they say on Tybee: “Don’t speed. You’re not on the mainland anymore.”
BMDPD
April 21st, 2011
2:50 pm
Left, I also apologize for any shots I took at your intellectual capability.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
2:51 pm
Scott
I see there was only 2 minutes between Jay’s posting and your posting.
I do like to look at issues. But I like to look at what was actual, not what was imagined or the result of faulty recollection.
I believe those who posted names/numbers here did so for Iraq, not Afghanistan (there may be one or two who did both, but I’m going for a sense of the majority).
Any poster from back then on now to give your recollections?
Chuck Waggin
April 21st, 2011
2:51 pm
BMDPD
April 21st, 2011
2:16 pm
Actually, I am jealous of liberals. I wish I could be a complete slacker with no morals or no personal accountability or responsibility. But Alas NO, I have to work for a living to support my family and pay taxes for slackers with no morals or personal responsibility.
So, tell us. How much you get paid to be here all day.
MiltonMan
April 21st, 2011
2:51 pm
GM – lost what little respect (and what little intelligence) he had by stating that Obozo is a great president. I guess you drive around with a Jimmy Carter bumper sticker also.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
2:52 pm
Oh BMDPD, from your article:
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Voters shows that 52% favor repeal of the health care law, while 41% are opposed. But now just 39% Strongly Favor the law’s repeal, the lowest level measured since the plan’s passage last year. Twenty-nine percent (29%) Strongly Oppose repeal of the legislation. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
Since Congress passed the law in late March of last year, total support for repeal has ranged from a low of 50% to a high of 63%. The number that Strongly Favor repeal has ranged from 39% to 50%. At the same time, the number of voters who oppose repeal has run from 33% to 43%.
Thirty-seven percent (37%) of voters now say the health care law will be good for the United States, a finding that has ranged from 32% to 41% since March 2010. Forty-seven percent (47%) say it will be bad for the country, down three points from last week. In prior weekly surveys over the past year, 48% to 57% of voters have said the law will be bad for the country.
Fifty-two percent (52%) of voters with health insurance favor the law’s repeal, as do 51% of those without coverage. Forty-seven percent (47%) of insured voters say the law will be bad for the country, compared to 50% of those who don’t currently have insurance.
And coming from Rasmussen, that’s just a step below a Fox News poll, but even your own article says the tide is turning……
TaxPayer
April 21st, 2011
2:53 pm
I’ll go broke donating to the RNC
Don’t you need to get a job first.
jm
April 21st, 2011
2:53 pm
this photo is absurd
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-03/fyi-it-ever-ok-drink-your-own-urine
RGB
April 21st, 2011
2:53 pm
“Seems to me that we have a relatively small number of conservatives on this board arguing that the attention paid to Trump is a liberal conspiracy to make them look bad. ”
That’s because conservatives don’t paint themselves as victims.
For someone who supposedly is in tune with all things political, you’re not.
MiltonMan
April 21st, 2011
2:53 pm
BMDPD:
Left, I also apologize for any shots I took at your intellectual capability.
No need to apologize for something that does not exist.
Midori
April 21st, 2011
2:53 pm
Will the RNC let him stay in the Party if he compromises?
not so much the “rnc”, but the racist neanderthals that drive the party.
Hi Paul
jm
April 21st, 2011
2:53 pm
Taxpayer 2:53 – you’ll be shocked. I have one. Remember, I work for the Kock brothers.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 21st, 2011
2:54 pm
cked us, was very different. The 5,000 Americans who died in that war gave the ultimate sacrifice for a cause that many of us still do not understand.
———
It’s been explained to you many times. That you don’t like the explanation does not mean that there wasn’t a very good one.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
2:54 pm
md,
“Be honest Bosch……..the body counts and the war protesters slinked back into the crevices just as the Teapartiers have done the same…………
It definitely has to do with which “side” did what in any given election……………”
I never said anything to the contrary.
Scott
April 21st, 2011
2:54 pm
Jay, i am with BMPMD. I thought it was the right thing to do at the time going off the evidence that everybody believed to be true….Dems included and that includes Pres. Clinton. In a way, I still think it was a good thing to be there. Our war in Iraq could fit the same rationale that is being used for why we are involved in Libya with now. Hussein killed his own people in droves. Additionally, we said that we were going after terrorists and those who sponsor terrorists. I know you are going to say that there is no link between Sadaam and Al Quaida. I personally feel that there is if you look hard enough, but I will give you that. There is however, a lot of links between Sadaam and Hamas. Sadaam paid the families of suicide bombers. That is well-known and well-documented. We took out a guy who killed his own people and sponsored terrorists. And you think that is a bad idea??? Isn’t the world a better place without Sadaam?
jm
April 21st, 2011
2:56 pm
oh jeezus
The national laboratory that may or may not have played a supporting role in the Stuxnet cyberattack on Iran’s nuclear facilities has been hacked, officials said yesterday, and facility-wide Internet access was cut Friday to stop data from flowing out of the lab. Oak Ridge National Laboratory, located in Tennessee, only lost a few megabytes of data. But it’s unclear what data was stolen, and even less clear where it went.
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2011-04/after-hack-oak-ridge-national-labs-pulls-plug-internet-data-breach
md
April 21st, 2011
2:57 pm
I find it a bit comical that folks believe a major entitlement program like the hc bill will be good for the US………..hello……..see current problems trying to fund the entitlement programs we currently have.
Folks are bitching and moaning about paying for SS, medicare, and medicaid……all with major problems……….then add in another……….
I guess that makes sense to someone……………..
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
2:57 pm
jm,
So why post it?
It’s like people who say, “This stinks….here smell it.”
jm
April 21st, 2011
2:57 pm
I bet that was China snooping in Oak Ridge.
straitroad
April 21st, 2011
2:57 pm
The caption under the photo should read “how many people believe Obama is as American as apple pie”.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
2:57 pm
MiltonMan — “GM – lost what little respect (and what little intelligence) he had by stating that Obozo is a great president.”
Regardless of your opinion of the President, you don’t do your own self much credit by using cutesy, silly schoolyard names to refer to him. It’s quite possible to criticize the President without being a d**k about it, sir.
Perhaps if you’d grow up and stop using those silly, childish names, you might actually have a polite, adult conversation here. Maybe even with people with whom you disagree! Now wouldn’t THAT be something?
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 21st, 2011
2:58 pm
Funny, but the previous president didn’t exactly cut the welfare rolls if you know what I mean? You guys are just totally obsessed with tagging obama for all your ills…get over it…
——-
Unemployment was so low that it wasn’t an issue.
Your Idiot Messiah is now handing out more cash to his parasite base than we’re taking in in taxes.
Idiot Messiah: Huge expensive fail.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
2:58 pm
” I work for the Kock brothers. ”
Well, if you work for them, you might want to spell their names right, bosses don’t like that.
@@
April 21st, 2011
2:59 pm
Meanwhile, an even larger group of conservatives is here celebrating the possibility of a President Donald.
Given the option of two more years of inexperience, I’ll take the unconventional Trump.
Gawd knows conventional politics hasn’t worked.
Mick
April 21st, 2011
3:00 pm
**Isn’t the world a better place without Sadaam**
Tell that to the american families of 5,000 killed and over 30,000 seriously wounded, lest we forget anywhere from 125k to one million innocent iraqi’s. Quite a high price in blood & treasure to get one man..
Peadawg
April 21st, 2011
3:00 pm
“The war in Iraq, a war of choice against a country that had not attacked us, was very different. The 5,000 Americans who died in that war gave the ultimate sacrifice for a cause that many of us still do not understand.”
Let’s pray that Libya doesn’t turn out like this….
jm
April 21st, 2011
3:01 pm
Bosch 2:58 – I was fully expecting a freudian slip accusation…
Koch
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
3:01 pm
**Isn’t the world a better place without Sadaam**
And aren’t y’all the ones griping and bitching about Libya?
Gregg Allchin
April 21st, 2011
3:01 pm
I would have to agree with Newt. No one could be worse then oboma.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
3:01 pm
jm,
I was gonna do that, but I figured it just too petty.
Kamchak
April 21st, 2011
3:02 pm
Donald’s clearly signaling his lunch order to the waiter. What do you think he’s having?
Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and spam.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
3:02 pm
“Let’s pray that Libya doesn’t turn out like this….”
Well Peadawg, since we are pretty much already out of Libya, I don’t worry about that so much.
Mick
April 21st, 2011
3:02 pm
lbb
**Unemployment was so low that it wasn’t an issue.**
Who was the president that presided over the greatest market meltdown since the great depression? Hint: “this sucker…..
TaxPayer
April 21st, 2011
3:03 pm
Well, I guess congratulations are in order for jm on his success at landing a paying gig. Now you can join the ranks of us taxpayers and complain about, well, you know, the usual stuff, and really do it with meaning.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
3:04 pm
Lil — “Unemployment was so low that it wasn’t an issue.”
Wrong. Employment failed to keep up with population growth for 75% of President Bush’s time in office. That means that not only did we not put to work kids who were graduating from high school and college, but that we also weren’t putting back to work people who lost their jobs in the recession that straddled the Clinton and Bush administrations.
The reason the unemployment rate went down is that the labor force SHRANK. It shrank because people stayed unemployed so long that they either fell off the unemployment rolls (and were no longer counted in U3, which is the number you like to cite) or because they became disillusioned and gave up looking for a job (again, this would cause U3 to stop counting them). It’s not mathematically possible for population to increase *simultaneously* with a decreasing labor force.
I’ve offered to show those numbers several times, Lil. Would you have to have an actual look at them this time?
mystified
April 21st, 2011
3:04 pm
GM….hahahhaha… you oughta be on Letterman..Obama didn’t lead us in the oil spill. BP did. The only thing he did is close down the drills and kill jobs and oil production.
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
3:04 pm
“Bomb, propane tanks found at Colorado mall”
LITTLETON, Colo. – Investigators want to question a person of interest about a pipe bomb and two propane tanks that failed to detonate at a Colorado mall that were found after a security guard extinguished a fire. He is described as a white male with graying hair and a silver mustache.
Dayum you teabaggers….why do you hate America so much?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
3:05 pm
eewww I don’t like spam.
That was a good pallete cleanser…thanks Kam
Peadawg
April 21st, 2011
3:05 pm
“Well Peadawg, since we are pretty much already out of Libya, I don’t worry about that so much.”
We shouldn’t had been there in the first place…
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
3:06 pm
Kamchak — “Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and spam.”
I looked fer that, but the QT was plumb out of it. So I got me a microwave burrito instead.
Scott
April 21st, 2011
3:06 pm
Paul, So apparently my recollection is faulty but anybody else is okay to use. Unbelievable.
Anyways I made a slight correction to your statement though.
“I do like to look at issues if it fits my point of view. But I like to look at what was actual, not what was imagined or the result of faulty recollection unless that faulty recollection was on my part, in which case I will completely ignore it and deny its existence.” There you go.
As a former solder that fought in both Iraq and Afghanistan, I remember what clowns like you did. That is only recollection I need.
St Simons - we're on Island time
April 21st, 2011
3:06 pm
jm, tybee’s cool. What do ya mean slow down? 25 is too fast, dude. There’s a 25 sign under my palm tree in the front yard, and i’m tryin to get that changed to a more sane 15.
@@
April 21st, 2011
3:07 pm
Paul:
Left a comment for you downstairs. It has emoticons (5!!!!) because you’re special.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
3:08 pm
“We shouldn’t had been there in the first place…”
Oh good grief, then you’d just bitch about us not being there in the first place.
jm
April 21st, 2011
3:08 pm
In First U.S. Flight, ‘JetMan’ Will Fly Through the Grand Canyon
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2011-04/first-us-flight-jetman-will-fly-through-grand-canyon
frickin awesome
TaxPayer
April 21st, 2011
3:08 pm
I’ll have what the Donald’s having but can you hold the spam.
Scott
April 21st, 2011
3:08 pm
Bosch “And aren’t y’all the ones griping and bitching about Libya?”
We are griping about it because it appears that our very own President has no clue on what he is doing. He cannot even agree on a plan with his own cabinet. You took the short bus to school didn’t you?
jm
April 21st, 2011
3:09 pm
St. Simons. yeah 15 is pretty cool…
TaxPayer
April 21st, 2011
3:09 pm
Oh good grief, then you’d just bitch about us not being there in the first place.
Too late. They did that already.
jm
April 21st, 2011
3:10 pm
Trump’s whole “candidacy” is like the world’s longest spam email.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 21st, 2011
3:10 pm
Wrong. Employment failed to keep up with population growth for 75% of President Bush’s time in office.
———–
Wrong. Unemployment was around 5% for most of the Bush administration, and your Idiot Messiah would deport his Aunt Zeitunie if that would make his own sorry record as strong as Bush’s.
St Simons - we're on Island time
April 21st, 2011
3:11 pm
Come to the island, mon, grab this margaritta, ride a wild horse. You’ll know who to vote for.
Peadawg
April 21st, 2011
3:11 pm
“Oh good grief, then you’d just bitch about us not being there in the first place.”
Nice crystal ball ya got there. You shouldn’t ASSume stuff, Boschy. Did I bitch when we didn’t involved in Egypt? Nope. Would I had bitched if we didn’t get involved in Libya? Nope again.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
3:12 pm
” it appears ”
Never forget that Scott.
“You took the short bus to school didn’t you?”
What’s that saying? When you lose an argument and have nothing left you start hurling insults? Or something like that.
TnGelding
April 21st, 2011
3:12 pm
Yeah, seizing the oil in the ME would be a sane and safe move. Newt is a disgrace. I pegged him correctly when he signed that $400k book deal before he even took the gavel as Speaker.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
3:14 pm
Peadawg,
“You shouldn’t ASSume stuff, Boschy.” That’s real cute coming from you.
Relax, it was a joke with you young Padawan.
TnGelding
April 21st, 2011
3:14 pm
Bush was a disaster, period. Why Congress rolled over for him is beyond me. 90% of the debt is due to his and Reagan’s idiocy.
Truth Squad
April 21st, 2011
3:14 pm
The Donald is a closet conservative Democrat(and Obama supporter),and always has been.
What he is doing now is to help highlight the parade of idiots running for the Republican nomination. Of course if it looks like he might be able to win, then he’ll go for it because his ego will not let him do the right thing. He figures if an idiot must win, why not him?
In the end, it really will not matter. Come some short time after election night 2012,I predict that The Donald will be yucking it up and sharing “terrorist fist bumps” with “the blacks” and the rest at a victory celebration at the White House.
Peadawg
April 21st, 2011
3:14 pm
“Relax, it was a joke with you young Padawan.”
That’s a good Boschy.
Left wing management
April 21st, 2011
3:15 pm
BMDPD: “Left, I also apologize for any shots I took at your intellectual capability.”
No need to apologize. Just fight to the death for the truth and let that be your apology!!
MiltonMan: “No need to apologize for something that does not exist.”
LOL! You guys are great.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
3:16 pm
Peadawg,
“That’s a good Boschy.”
Will you scratch my ear??
@@
April 21st, 2011
3:16 pm
I didn’t know Trump had formed an exploratory committee back in 1999. Hs favorable/unfavorable ratings were ’bout the same back then.
Is he gonna run? I don’t think so.
He’s forcing a conversation on topics that the others refuse to address. I’ll give him points for that.
jay’s team oughta be giving him points for all the early praise he laid on Obama.
Oops! Wait a minute…..if he could be so wrong about Obama, what else might he be wrong about?
schnirt
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
3:16 pm
Lil — “Wrong.”
Sorry, no. I’m right. And backed up by cold, hard, historical numbers. Would you like to see them this time?
“Unemployment was around 5% for most of the Bush administration”
Which is irrelevant, because U3 (again, this is the number you like to cite) ignores long-term unemployed and discouraged job seekers. It’s inaccurate because it doesn’t count those two groups of unemployed people, among others.
What really tells the tale are the job creation numbers. Unemployment is a lagging indicator. That’s why the Republicans like to use it — I think they’re hoping that the economy will stay bad enough long enough to not show improvement in U3 by the time the election gets here.
“and your Idiot Messiah”
I have no messiah, idiot or otherwise. I simply can’t stand to see people make repeated uninformed and incorrect assertions, as you have.
“would deport his Aunt Zeitunie if that would make his own sorry record as strong as Bush’s.”
Actually, his job creation record is *better* than Bush’s. He turned his employment downturn around *faster* than President Bush did, and with a *deeper* downturn than Bush had.
Again, would you like to see the numbers?
jm
April 21st, 2011
3:19 pm
and in the news of the absurd and cool….
Two bottles of 200-year old champagne recently salvaged from a Baltic Sea shipwreck will be auctioned off in June, the local government that owns the bubbly said Wednesday.
Finland’s autonomous province of Aaland “has decided that two bottles will be sold at an exclusive champagne auction held in (the capital) Mariehamn on June 3, 2011,” it said a statement.
One of the auctioned bottles will be from the house of Veuve-Clicquot and the other from the now extinct house of Juglar.
They are part of a batch of around 150 champagne bottles divers stumbled upon last July in a two-masted schooner which had run aground sometime between 1825 and 1830.
Salvaging of bottles — preserved in ideal conditions at the bottom of the Baltic Sea — began in August and authorities identified the bottles as the world’s oldest Juglar and Veuve Clicquot brands.
Scott
April 21st, 2011
3:19 pm
Bosch….not an insult….just stating what “Appears” to be a fact. The statements you make a ridiculous, unfounded, and just plain flat out wrong. When I say it appears that obama has no clue, i would say it is true. Either that or he enjoys seeing his entire administration looking like a bunch of dopes. well….now that I think about it…they haven’t looked too bright on anything they have done so perhaps he really does enjoy looking like a dolt.
stands for decibels
April 21st, 2011
3:19 pm
Scott @ 2.42, Obama belonged to the same denomination that that claimed crazy radicals like John Adams, Calvin Coolidge, and Ronald Reagans’ Sec’y of Commerce Malcolm Baldrige, for the record.
And I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume pretty much all you know of the former pastor of Trinity UCC, Rev. Wright, are three little words from a single sermon, played in an endless video loop throughout the so-called liberal media for a big chunk of March 2008. Am I right?
mm
April 21st, 2011
3:19 pm
One immoral jerk rooting for another.
Repulicans have low standards. Actually, they don’t have ANY standards.
Scott
April 21st, 2011
3:20 pm
tngelding…the numbers say otherwise but whatever makes you sleep better at night.
md
April 21st, 2011
3:21 pm
“Which is irrelevant, because U3 (again, this is the number you like to cite) ignores long-term unemployed and discouraged job seekers. It’s inaccurate because it doesn’t count those two groups of unemployed people, among others.”
It always does, so they have no bearing on any of the numbers…………….they will exist in every administration, so they are a wash.
Now, compare the posted numbers………….and one will get an idea of what is going on.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
3:21 pm
There are numerous intelligent people would take the short bus. The size of the bus says nothing about the ability of the brain of the rider. It says tons about the small size of the brain of the person posting the reference.
TaxPayer
April 21st, 2011
3:21 pm
It appears that Scott judges folks on how they appear to be to him.
jm
April 21st, 2011
3:22 pm
“Repulicans have low standards. Actually, they don’t have ANY standards.”
….cause a state legislator turned 2 year senator is oh so qualified to be President of the United States of America.
The phone is ringing at 3am…. and Obama just takes it off the hook.
Scott
April 21st, 2011
3:22 pm
stands…not talking about denomination…talking about his actual church. Nice try at deflecting though buddy. there is alot more of Rev wright out there….not that you woudl care to try to find it at all. And BTW….is certainly was not played in liberal media. it wasn’t even covered by them.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
3:22 pm
” The statements you make a ridiculous, unfounded, and just plain flat out wrong.”
And what, pray tell, would that statement be?
See, here’s the thing — the only thing that is certain in this world is that one day we were born, and one day we’ll die — the rest is just opinion. Except math, that’s pretty factual. So, please don’t take yourself so seriously as to think that what you have to say is the truth, whole truth, and nothing but.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
3:23 pm
md — “Now, compare the posted numbers………….and one will get an idea of what is going on.”
Excellent! Would you like to see the numbers I’m speaking of?
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 21st, 2011
3:24 pm
Again, would you like to see the numbers?
——–
I already gave you the most important one, so what’s the point? I suppose I can’t stop you!
Your Idiot Messiah has produced higher unemployment in every month of his regime than Bush did in any month of his eight years.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
3:25 pm
Scott
The very fact I asked others here to offer their recollections – particularly those who did the actual postings – should be enough to demonstrate I acknowledged I may be remembering incorrectly.
That’s in spite of what Jay wrote to you.
But it was obvious you just wanted a platform.
“As a former solder that fought in both Iraq and Afghanistan, I remember what clowns like you did. That is only recollection I need.”
Question: what were you doing in Iraq and Afg – reading this blog and seeing bloggers here recording the body counts? Then logging it so you could use it years later? Else, how else would you know what I did?
Or were those imagined memories? (Hint: I was one of those who took issue with the body count methodology).
Scott
April 21st, 2011
3:25 pm
taxpayer….false. I base my thoughts of you on the stupid things you guys post on here day in and day out. No substance. You ignore the facts. When you get called out on your stupid comments, you deflect deflect deflect. I am not surprised though…Sounds just like the Obama administration. Wah…..I don’t like being asked tough questions during interviews so i am just not going to do interviews anymore with you and I am going to deny you access to my admin…..wahhh wahhhh wahh. Most transparent admin my butt.
USMC
April 21st, 2011
3:26 pm
SUPPORTERS HECKLE OBAMA: ‘WHERE’S OUR CHANGE?’
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm
stands for decibels
April 21st, 2011
3:26 pm
Scott, you’ve obviously never been called on your BS about Trinity UCC; well, now you are.
Tell me about how this isn’t a Christian church. I’m all ears.
@@
April 21st, 2011
3:26 pm
Given Bosch’s Conversion Disorder…once known as Hysterical Blindness…even a dim bulb gives off a bright light.
Conversion disorder is a condition in which patients present with neurological symptoms such as numbness, blindness, paralysis, or fits without a neurological cause. It is thought that these problems arise in response to difficulties in the patient’s life, and conversion is considered a psychiatric disorder.
No offense, Bosch, just an observation.
md
April 21st, 2011
3:26 pm
“Excellent! Would you like to see the numbers I’m speaking of?”
Sure…..I’m always open to possibilities………but have no clue what you are talking about in reference to the posted unemployment numbers………they were around 5% and have moved up to around 10%……don’t see how that is better.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
3:27 pm
” I base my thoughts of you on the stupid things you guys post on here day in and day out. No substance.”
Coming from a post that has……no substance.
Corey
April 21st, 2011
3:28 pm
The Old Spice guy has a GASP! Muslim name! Can you say Isaiah Mustafa?
Newtster
April 21st, 2011
3:28 pm
Trump’s wife is hot. Wonder if I can get an upgrade….
Doggone/GA
April 21st, 2011
3:28 pm
“The Republican presidential candidates seem more like trail mix; an assortment of nutz with some dried up fruit mixed in”
I like this one a bit better: like a bowl of granola…full of fruits, nuts, and flakes
St Simons - we're on Island time
April 21st, 2011
3:28 pm
“None of the above” is leading in the polls for Republicans (Pew/CBS/NYT)
Well, at least we agree with them on something.
TaxPayer
April 21st, 2011
3:30 pm
The Republicans have finally picked their favorite candidate. By the way, who is this fella called “None of the Above?”
@@
April 21st, 2011
3:31 pm
Doggone:
And your candidate could be compared to instant oatmeal.
A bit runny.
Tom
April 21st, 2011
3:31 pm
Donald Trump can not do anymore damage to this country than the Big Three (Obama, Pelosi & Reid) has!!!! He is not a politican which I find refreshing. He also speaks his mind and does not mince his words trying not to offend some foreign country!
Scott
April 21st, 2011
3:31 pm
Paul..nice try in trying to question my character. You see people in the military get deployed. they also get these things called redeployments. Now that is where you come back from the sandbox and you get to come home. When you come home, you get to do things like jump on the internet and read the moronic things posted by people like you. Sounds good to you. Now we also have other things called television sets, also called TVs. They are these things that can play video coverage of news. Over in the desert, we still had access to these TVs and we could watch the body counts posted on CNN, MSNBC, etc. Yeah….I know….It is amazing that these TVs can get coverage from pretty much anywhere in the globe. We could also hear all of the swell things spoken of us by our oh-so-supportive Democratic led Congress. I hope that answers your question. Would you like to question my character any further.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 21st, 2011
3:31 pm
Labor participation rate stable under Bush–tanking under Obozo:
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
Newtster
April 21st, 2011
3:31 pm
Trump’s gotta nice plane too. If Trump gets Air Force 1, can I use the Trump’s 757?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=trump%27s%20airplane&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1792&bih=966
Paul
April 21st, 2011
3:31 pm
@@
awwww, thanks. I was beginning to fear we’d lost the @@ we all know and love!
Loved the alliteration. It’s so…. you!
So soon you forget I was on the side of criticizing those who inaccurately portrayed and criticized the Tea Partiers early on, hmmmmmm?
Remember the debate over Valerie Plame? Who outed her? Who should be punished? The lack of statutes cited? The duplicity of the special prosecutor?
Remember the Richard Clarke discussions? The contesting of the idea that if he’d been ‘listened to’ 9-11 would have been avoided?
Remember the furor over enhanced interrogations?
I think back on all that and that’s why I wrote that it seems to me your labels were hurled only when you perceived disagreement on domestic or social issues.
BID MIT
April 21st, 2011
3:31 pm
OBAMA IN 2012! YES WE CAN AGAIN!
Mike
April 21st, 2011
3:32 pm
“Several NFL players have been arrested on a variety of charges during the league’s lockout.”
surprise…surprise…come on owners you gotta keep these guys busy or they will all be in jail.
TaxPayer
April 21st, 2011
3:33 pm
Scott,
You also appear to be very distraught.
Scott
April 21st, 2011
3:34 pm
stands….when did I say it wasn’t a Christian church? Please, oh please, oh please, do me a favor and point it out to me. I merely mentioned that the guy went to church and listened to Wright say horrible things and he made the decision to continue to attend that church. that says a little bit about his character and his ideals.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 21st, 2011
3:34 pm
At least Paul is open in his contempt for the military. Most of his ilk keep it under wraps or save it for conversations with the like-minded.
Scott
April 21st, 2011
3:36 pm
taxpayer….why do you have that as a name? I would have pegged you for somebody in the other 47%.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
3:36 pm
ilk alert!
jm
April 21st, 2011
3:36 pm
oh lord. really, we have to watch this BS everywhere?
New Labor plan: Nationwide protests
politco.com
jm
April 21st, 2011
3:38 pm
methinks the Huck is serious about POTUS….
Huckabee slams Beck
politico.com
TaxPayer
April 21st, 2011
3:38 pm
I would have pegged you for somebody in the other 47%.
I see my choice of labels has served its purpose then.
Jay
April 21st, 2011
3:38 pm
Paul’s contempt for the military?
Little One, whenever I think you’ve gotten as low as you can go, I discover you have yet another secret sub-basement.
mm
April 21st, 2011
3:38 pm
“….cause a state legislator turned 2 year senator is oh so qualified to be President of the United States of America.”
To be honest, nobody is qualified to POTUS unless they have already had the job. And if you use your logic, nobody in this entire country would ever get a promotion.
And I’ll take Obama’s performance over GWB’s performance any day.
Kamchak
April 21st, 2011
3:39 pm
Don;t cry over spilled ilk.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
3:40 pm
Lil’ — “I already gave you the most important one”
Of course you didn’t.
“so what’s the point?”
The point is that you’re wrong and misinformed. You could be deliberately trying to mislead people, but I think you’re a better person than that.
“I suppose I can’t stop you!”
Do you plan to actually read them, sir/ma’am?
“Your Idiot Messiah”
I have no messsiah, idiot or otherwise
“has produced higher unemployment in every month of his regime than Bush did in any month of his eight years.”
And his job creation numbers are *better* than President Bush’s. The worst months for employment creation in the last 10 years happened under President Bush, not President Obama.
Here you go:
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.compaes.txt
Scroll down to this (it’s just a little bit down the page):
00000000 Total Nonfarm All Employees (in thousands), SEASONAllY ADJUSTED
Over-the-month change as revised (BM2010)
Economists differ on the exact number, but generally, it is agreed that you have to create ~150K jobs each month — about 1.8M jobs a year — just to keep up with population growth. Create less than that, and true unemployment is INCREASING (because you’re not employing all the new people coming into the labor force and you’re not putting back to work anyone who was already in the labor force), whereas if you create more than that, true unemployment is DECREASING. This is simple math.
Look through President Bush’s monthly numbers (you may have to scroll left and right to see all 12 months of each year). You’ll see that he doesn’t have a positive month until OCT 2003 and that he doesn’t really have a sustained period of job creation over 150K/month until 2005 — in his second term. He does have a 3-month period in the spring of 2004, late in his first term.
Look through President Obama’s monthly numbers, and you’ll see that he’s already had his first positive month (MAR 2010) and a 3-month up period (spring of 2010). And these figures don’t even include anything from 2011 yet.
Compare both sets of numbers, and you’ll see that President Bush’s job losses were shallower over a longer period than President Obama’s were. Yet President Obama turned it around *faster* than President Bush did, and with a deeper hole to dig out of.
What were the worst months for job creation from 2000 – 2010? Well, the *worst* two belong squarely in President Bush’s column; NOV 2008 and JAN 2009.
Sorry, Lil. When you actually *look* at the numbers in detail and break them down and compare them — actually THINKING about what you’re seeing — it’s plain that Obama’s done a better job with a worse employment problem than President Bush did. Both Presidents suck for job creation, but Obama’s clearly done a better job so far in pulling us back from the brink.
jm
April 21st, 2011
3:40 pm
During a morning fundraiser at the St. Regis Hotel, a woman interrupted the president to say she had written a song for him. But the message she and her table mates had for the president wasn’t one of affection – they were there to protest the treatment of Army Pfc. Bradley Manning, accused by the U.S. military of handing over thousands of confidential government documents to WikiLeaks.
“I paid my dues, where’s our change?” the group sang. “We’ll vote for you in 2012, yes that’s true. Look at the Republicans — what else can we do?”
It was another reminder to Obama, who is traveling through California and Nevada, that the Democratic base is restless. Obama conceded as much during a fundraiser on Wednesday, acknowledging that he’s frustrated progressives by striking deals with Republicans while going on an extended riff about how “everybody’s a political consultant” and his supporters say they “used to be so excited.”
The protest Thursday was a particularly stark, in-your-face confrontation for the tightly controlled and largely affectionate world that a president inhabits, especially when going from one big-money fundraiser to another.
When the woman first stood up, Obama tried to get her to wait until later, but she persisted and the table of 10 broke into a song that pointed out that each of them had spent $5,000 to attend the event.
Obama appeared to take the interruption in stride and at first he didn’t seem to realize it was a protest song. He looked to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and asked, “Nancy, did you do this?” Ms. Pelosi had a look on her face, as she stared at the singing group, that definitely said she did not, according to the pool report.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53546.html#ixzz1KBk64wiN
@@
April 21st, 2011
3:41 pm
Paul:
‘Scuse me, I guess I was supposed to thank you for all your support.
Social issues? No problems there.
Domestic issues like income redistribution? Big problem there. It only serves to breed contempt. It’s all or none with me.
I am so over the class warfare being used as a political weapon that divides this nation. It doesn’t fly with me anymore…used to during my MORE liberal days. I’ve outgrown it.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
3:41 pm
” I base my thoughts of you on the stupid things you guys post on here day in and day out. No substance. You ignore the facts. When you get called out on your stupid comments, you deflect deflect deflect.”
“Scott
April 21st, 2011
3:39 pm
keep up. Uhoh…Ilk Alert. not one of those. You are such a douche.”
jm
April 21st, 2011
3:42 pm
mm 3:38 – someone who has worked in the Whitehouse, and also been governor, would be very qualified, infinitely more qualified. Like Mitch Daniels (or Huntsman).
Hell, Hillary would’ve been more qualified.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
3:42 pm
Now now Scott….sticks and stones.
That makes me feel all kinds of warm and squishy…either that or I sat in something.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
3:43 pm
Lil — “Labor participation rate stable under Bush–tanking under Obozo:”
Yes (laughing).
I’ve been TELLING you about that for a week, sir/ma’am.
That’s the shrinking labor force, Lil. (laughing)
Now go back and look at the numbers I posted. Read carefully and try to make sense of them. Then come on back and let’s talk.
TaxPayer
April 21st, 2011
3:43 pm
You Republicans have so many choices for the primary. How will you ever choose. You need some way to critique them. Some sort of metrics by which to gage their worthiness of your support. Let’s see, there’s that age thingie and they all look ages enough and then there’s the birther thingie and they all look crazy enough and then there’s the tax cut for the wealthiest thingie and they all look like the just finished snorting Koch. So, I think you’re gonna need something new to differentiate them. How about the religion thingie. That might knock out a few contenders. Then there’s the log cabin thingie. How many will be willing to come out of the closet for the chance at an extra vote. Decisions, decisions.
jm
April 21st, 2011
3:43 pm
The group continued its song: “Even though we don’t know if we’ll retain our liberties, in what you seem content to call a free society, yes it’s true that Terry Jones is legally free, to burn a people’s holy book in shameful effigy, but at another location in this country, alone in a 6×12 cell sits Bradley, 23 hours a day is night, the 5th and 8th Amendments say this kind of thing ain’t right, we paid our dues, where’s our change?”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53546.html#ixzz1KBkyVBGg
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 21st, 2011
3:44 pm
Sorry Joe, I give you credit for working as hard as you can to minimize the damage, but there just ain’t no getting around that pesky ol’ unemployment rate!
Unemployment: Higher under Obozo.
poison pen
April 21st, 2011
3:46 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
1:41 pm
Poison…please stop picturing me in a shower perv How do I keep my sexual impulses down…well first I accept that I am not an animal who cannot control impluses. Are you aroused by The David and thus incapable of control?
Its obvious your thinking of something before you post, it may not however be the right things for this blog.
Keepup, my reference is to men soldiers being in their communal showers and a gay guy looking at all of them, don’t tell me he won’t have certain feelings, it would be the same thing as a man in a ladies shower, something I think you would not like. This is why DADT is such a hot issue, yet you libs want to support every goofy thing that another lib suggests.
Being a senior and serving for my country I don’t have to worry about things like this, but you brought it up without thinking about everything that goes with it.
Sorry about late response, took grandkids out to park.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 21st, 2011
3:46 pm
Joe, if the labor force is shrinking and job creation is increasing, the participation rate would be going UP, not down, as it is under your Idiot Messiah!
stands for decibels
April 21st, 2011
3:46 pm
My bad, Scott-it was the 1999 dawg who was going on and on about how Trinity UCC and Rev. Wright weren’t Christian, not you.
That said, I will offer this bit of enlightenment, since you seem to think that the church was some kind of hate factory–where “horrible things” (your words) were said.
It’s been awhile since I had a look at a transcript of the infamous Rev. Wright sermon.
It’s rough, scalding hot rhetoric. It’s also fair to say that Wright is expressing precisely the same sentiments that Thomas Jefferson rather famously offered when he wrote “I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever.”
http://www.sluggy.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=315691&sid=4b3e97ace4ee8cee02bd6850e52f50b7
By the way, if you read beyond the oft-quoted “G.D. America” bit, you’ll find that Wright acknowledges the offensiveness of the phrase in that very same sermon, and actually apologized to the congregants for saying it.
It’s tough, thought-provoking stuff. I wouldn’t call it horrible. YMMV.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
3:46 pm
Scott
I see we’ve diverged. Looking back, you spoke generally of the “Left.”
I was speaking of this blog. Wasn’t questioning your character, just your knowledge of what occurred here.
Sure, the national media listed the deaths. They still do. It wasn’t in a negative or denigrating sense.
But on this blog I do remember those opposed to the Iraq war listing those deaths to highlight the price paid for what was seen as an unjust or mistaken war. I do not recall the same happening regarding Afghanistan on this blog.
@@
My earlier cite to you – and…. as a result of the exchanges I’ve had on this blog, I have changed my perspective on a number of those issues. That’s one of the things (changing one’s mind) I meant when I wondered why some of my posts seem to affect you so.
Lil Barry
I had a few replies for you. The only one I think might make a dent of an impression on you is “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do (say).”
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
3:48 pm
Lil — “Sorry Joe, I give you credit for working as hard as you can to minimize the damage, but there just ain’t no getting around that pesky ol’ unemployment rate!”
I didn’t think you’d read them, Lil. Ideologues and con men never want to have the evidence of their mendacity shown to them.
Shrug. We will just continue as we have, then, with you posting misleading and incomplete information and me being right behind you, posting actual facts and context to enlighten those you would otherwise be confusing.
“Unemployment: Higher under Obozo.”
Job losses — Worst in a CENTURY under President Bush.
LimoManinGA
April 21st, 2011
3:48 pm
This country (Obama) has spent more money while in office than this country has in 200 years combined. This was an absolute win by the black race getting out and voting. Some being driven to the polls. This has been in the works for quite some time. Doesn’t the name say it all Barack Hussein Obama II. The name sounds American huh? You folks that voted for Barack the first time better think twice on the second term! He agrees with everything every American disapproves of…Illegals vs. American workers, require you to have healthcare, not pay our troops during Govt. shutdown..OUR COUNTRY IS IN A CRISIS and it’s getting deeper and deeper.
St Simons - we're on Island time
April 21st, 2011
3:49 pm
Nun of the Above – wouldn’t that be the first Republic catholic woman to run
rimshot- we’re here all week. try the shrimp
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 21st, 2011
3:50 pm
“I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever.”
——-
Yeah, that does sound a lot like Jeremiah Wright.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
3:51 pm
Lil — “Joe, if the labor force is shrinking and job creation is increasing, the participation rate would be going UP, not down,”
Math clearly was not your strong suit in school. That would only be true with a lengthy, extended period of 150K/month job creation. Or else it would have to be MUCH larger than 150K/month to turn that graph around so quickly.
You clearly don’t understand how that graph is calculated.
“as it is under your Idiot Messiah!”
I have no messiah, idiot or otherwise.
stands for decibels
April 21st, 2011
3:51 pm
And pardon me for flogging this dead horse, but Scott, given that it’s been established that Obama wasn’t actually in Chicago at the time that Rev. Wright delivered his infamous sermon, can you tell me some of the “horrible things” he heard when he did attend?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
3:52 pm
Poison, you lost on DADT. Even the military agrees it can be implemented.
But let’s go with a simple fact. DADT did not keep gay men out of the military. The policy said effectively “If you’re gay, don’t tell us.” It was in place for years. All those men showerintogetherer during those years, some of them were gay. The horror! The horror!
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
3:53 pm
LimoMan — “The name sounds American huh?”
Oh, you don’t like ‘unamerican’ names?
How about Giornalista? How about Kolodziej? I served with those guys in the Army, and they were 100% American. I even knew a guy named Klinger in the Army, and no, he didn’t wear a dress.
If you don’t like ‘unamerican’ names, then that’s really just too bad for you.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 21st, 2011
3:53 pm
Job losses — Worst in a CENTURY under President Bush.
——–
…no one much cared though, as 95% of the workforce was employed.
Bush: better unemployment numbers than Obozo
mm
April 21st, 2011
3:53 pm
Enter your comments here
Paul
April 21st, 2011
3:53 pm
@@
No thanks necessary. But your “all or nothing” remark gives me a better idea where you’re coming from.
“I am so over the class warfare being used as a political weapon that divides this nation. It doesn’t fly with me anymore…used to during my MORE liberal days. I’ve outgrown it.”
You see class warfare. I see basic issues of justice. You forget, I live in an affluent area. Median income north of six figures. I am not saying anything about my situation – just that I live in the midst of people who would be affected by the change in policies we write about. And a good number of them recognize the inequities in the system but go with the attitude of “well, if that’s all the tax I have to pay, that’s the way it is.”
Jonas
April 21st, 2011
3:54 pm
“It’s tough, thought-provoking stuff. I wouldn’t call it horrible”
I would say it is about the same as the various noises my jack russell makes when he wants to chase a rabbit. The left and right drama is truly sickening.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
3:54 pm
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Chicken fried ilk……….
Newtster
If that’s Trump’s plane, I’m guessing it kinda speaks to his business when he’s flying in a plane that hasn’t been in production since August 1984.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/727family/index.html
Most businessmen of his alleged calibre usually fly in something like this:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/bbj/index.html
which is a modified 737, which is still in production as the 737-900 and 900ER series. If the man can’t update his bird, what can he do for his country?
mm
April 21st, 2011
3:54 pm
Hey Barry Bailout.
You need to change your name. The bailouts were passed under Bush.
@@
April 21st, 2011
3:55 pm
Paul:
The problem I’m having with you is not because of any disagreements we may have. I’ve neither asked or expected anyone to agree with me, be they R, L, or somewhere in between.
I don’t need it, want it, or expect them to admit it if they do.
Unlike you, I don’t tell people how to think or behave when entering a debate. You’ve taken on this Nanny-type persona, which leads me to believe………????
To someone like me, who enjoys a good fight, it’s most unbecoming.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 21st, 2011
3:56 pm
Lil — “Joe, if the labor force is shrinking and job creation is increasing, the participation rate would be going UP, not down,”
Math clearly was not your strong suit in school.
———–
And with that, I rest my case!
1811/1801 - 0311/0317
April 21st, 2011
3:57 pm
Jay:
1) How much do you make a year?.
2) How much does Trump make a year?
Now, after you answer that, how much more do you think he has paid in taxes to support this country? I wouldn’t be so flippant.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 21st, 2011
3:58 pm
You need to change your name. The bailouts were passed under Bush.
———
The one that worked was, agreed.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
3:59 pm
Lil — “…no one much cared though, as 95% of the workforce was employed.
Lie. U3 does not equal percentage of workforce. I already explained that to you. U3 leaves out many groups of people who would otherwise cause the number to go up. That’s why economists don’t rely on it. Politicians love it, though, because it’s a simple figure and because simple people will latch onto it.
“Bush: better unemployment numbers than Obozo”
Bush: Hey, It Wasn’t QUITE As Bad As The Great Depression
Left wing management
April 21st, 2011
3:59 pm
mm: “You need to change your name. The bailouts were passed under Bush.”
He knows it. And yet his entire universe is one giant effort to evade that truth. If he were forced to accept one detail that differs, the entire structure would come crashing down.
Tom
April 21st, 2011
4:00 pm
Got a question for all you liberal lefties on this blog, do any of you pay taxes or all of you in that 50% of citizens who do not pay anything. ?? I guess that people like Donald Trump pay his share and many of your kind!!!
getalife
April 21st, 2011
4:00 pm
The circus is back in town.
Yell at them again cons.
getalife
April 21st, 2011
4:01 pm
So, you should be lil w bailout.
Left wing management
April 21st, 2011
4:02 pm
mm, that is to say, his entire universe is predicated on a frantic attempt to avoid facing the fact, one long series of vain attempts to plug in all the little holes that keep opening up. Must be an exhausting existence.
LimoManinGA
April 21st, 2011
4:02 pm
I neither endorse Trump or Obama. However, Obama did say that his father had served in World War II and received services that he needed as a veteran when he returned home. President Barack Obama’s biological father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., was born in Kenya on 04 April 1936. When World War II started on 01 September 1939, President Obama’s father was little more than 3 years old. THIS IS WHILE HE WAS CAMPAIGNING!
Scott
April 21st, 2011
4:02 pm
Paul “Sure, the national media listed the deaths. They still do. It wasn’t in a negative or denigrating sense.”
I disagree wholeheartedly. back then, you heard about deaths constantly. Now, you do not hear a peep. I just do not think it would have stopped if a Rep was in the White House right now. The media would still be following Cindy Sheehan and they would still be making an effort to report every single death regardless of where it occurred. We would still hear how this month faired in comparison to others unless of course if there was an actual improvement. Then, it would go ignored.
I know you will not agree and frankly I can careless. As the old saying goes “perception is reality.” My perception over there was that the libs in Congress and the media were doing everything it could to undermine us. They didn’t care about us one bit….only looked for ratings and how to use deaths as a way to disparage the Bush presidency. That perception is shared by many veterans. It is further supported how the attention suddenly disappeared when Obama took over and it became his wars. Wars that he said he would end. One war that he actually escalated. Another war that he decided we would play a role in starting.
stands for decibels
April 21st, 2011
4:02 pm
how much more do you think he has paid in taxes to support this country? I wouldn’t be so flippant.
really?
the “if you’re so smart why weren’t YOU staked to a hundred-plus mil by your slumload daddy” argument?
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
4:03 pm
Tom — “Got a question for all you liberal lefties on this blog, do any of you pay taxes or all of you in that 50% of citizens who do not pay anything. ?? I guess that people like Donald Trump pay his share and many of your kind!!!”
I pay taxes. Do you?
For all you know, I might be paying for YOU.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
4:03 pm
@@
If by “Nanny personna” you mean “points out the inaccuracies upon which some base their opinions or offers another viewpoint that can be seen from looking at the same evidence” or “questions others for the basis of what they assert”
Then I plead ‘guilty.’
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
4:03 pm
Where in the US Constitution does it say “The more you pay in taxes the more you get in representation”? We all realize that the money buys representation in all levels of government but I did not realize that taxes counted in there too.
Of course, given his bankruptcies and business losses and tax planning, who says Trump has paid any federal income tax?
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 21st, 2011
4:04 pm
There were several bailouts, one of which worked. That one was passed and implemented under our President Bush. Every other bailout and stimulus failed.
stands for decibels
April 21st, 2011
4:04 pm
who says Trump has paid any federal income tax?
This much I know–Trump sure as hell doesn’t want to have to cough up that information.
TaxPayer
April 21st, 2011
4:06 pm
I think Republicans are just misunderstood. They need to get out there and have town hall meetings where they can explain to the voters just what they mean when they say they support replacing Medicare for those on the program with vouchers so they can buy their own private insurance and what they mean when they say that they are going to cut trillions from social programs and give more tax cuts to the wealthiest while also continuing to raise the national debt. I think they really need to do that.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
4:07 pm
@@
“To someone like me, who enjoys a good fight, it’s most unbecoming.”
That’s probably the key difference. You like to fight, I like to understand and gain new information.
Years ago, was having a spirited debate (more of an argument, really). Suddenly, I heard new information that completely changed my viewpoint. I said “you are correct. I didn’t know that before.”
The other person looked at me and then resumed the argument.
That floored me. Couldn’t understand the attitude, arguing like that.
jm
April 21st, 2011
4:09 pm
sfd 4:04 seconds
getalife
April 21st, 2011
4:10 pm
It is like the President is running unopposed.
They don’t walk to get booed like ryan.
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 21st, 2011
4:10 pm
Scott’s 100% right on the money. The Dems and the media used our troops’ casualty numbers to bash Bush. Once Obama took responsibility for prosecuting those wars, suddenly the casualties became much less interesting.
The bulk of the Democrat party and the media share former president Clinton’s attitude toward the military–sadly, a loathing for it.
jm
April 21st, 2011
4:11 pm
You mean like Obama got so uncomfortable when he got his duet for when the army put someone who committed Treason into the brig?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
4:12 pm
back then, you heard about deaths constantly. Now, you do not hear a peep.
You must not watch This Week on ABC then. Every Sunday, they pay tribute to soldiers who’s names have been released from the previous week. If you don’t want to see it mentioned, you won’t find it. Just because “you” don’t find it, doesn’t mean that nothing is being said and/or done. I quit watching that segment of This Week because I don’t want to recognize a service member’s name that I’ve seen coming through the airport on their R&R break. I’d rather remember that, “I’m back on US soil” look that I see from them everyday.
md
April 21st, 2011
4:12 pm
“You see class warfare. I see basic issues of justice.”
Basic issues of justice are not restricted to monetary variables alone…………..one must consider all the variables in the equation to arrive at some sense of justice……….to do so requires that one look at each individual and how they got to where they are…………
jm
April 21st, 2011
4:12 pm
1/2 of America is screaming, like Mel Gibson at the end of Braveheart: Freedom!
The other 1/2 just apparently don’t give a damn.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
4:13 pm
Scott
Excuse me. “Most” of the casualty counts in the national media weren’t in a negative sense. News readers just read the numbers.
I was one of those who questioned why the Afg body counts ended.
See how much you assumed?
Your end point’s been discussed here, too. Cons assert Candidate Obama said he would end the Afg war. Speeches have been linked to where he said just the opposite. His actions since becoming President bear that out (his Afg expansion has been discussed here, too, with many cons and libs opposed on one hand, many cons and libs supporting, on the other).
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
4:13 pm
jm..got a conviction to prove treason?
jm
April 21st, 2011
4:14 pm
Keep 4:13 – not yet….
pogo
April 21st, 2011
4:14 pm
Methinks ole Joe certainly does have a messiah and he/she knows it. Man-up and say you are an Obama Joe!
From Wilkipedia:
Looking at the annual average unemployment rates for each of the eight years of Bush’s presidency, the average of all eight figures, and thus of his entire presidency, is 5.26%, with a low of 4.6% for the years of 2006 and 2007, and a high of 6.0% for 2003.[64]
Hummm Joe. You forte must not be math.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
4:15 pm
lbb
Scott’s 100% wrong. Isn’t ABC one of those evil, liberal bastions of media? Why would they do this http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/memoriam-us-service-members/story?id=6377296 if they were not paying tribute to our service members?
JKL2
April 21st, 2011
4:15 pm
Jay- Thanks again for your faux interest in potential Republican candidates. I am holding my breath waiting for your endorsement.
Truth
April 21st, 2011
4:15 pm
Anything’s better than Obama. Obama = Jimmy Carter !!!!!!
Just like Jimmy, we have unrest in the Middle East, high energy prices and high unemployment. Hang on because we will soon have high inflation and interest rates just like Jimmy. The only good news is thing got a lot better after the American public had a taste of Jimmy Carter. Lets hope the American public wakes up and fires Mr. Obama.
@@
April 21st, 2011
4:15 pm
Paul:
And if I had to guess, our assets may exceed that six figures you claim. We didn’t come by it without sacrifice and hard work. Why the hell do you think it’s ME who’s out re-glazing the windows on the house.
We’re hoping to leave our daughter something better…something we’ve strived for…not the meager scraps that government can offer her.
Left wing management
April 21st, 2011
4:16 pm
The bulk of the Democrat party and the media share former president Clinton’s attitude toward the military–sadly, a loathing for it.
That’s about the stupidest thing I’ve heard claimed on here in weeks.
The same media that drummed up hysteria and puffed up the case for the invasion of Iraq? Anti-military?
You don’t even believe the crap you post here, do you ?
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
4:17 pm
Lil — “There were several bailouts, one of which worked. That one was passed and implemented under our President Bush. Every other bailout and stimulus failed.”
LOL
If it worked, then why’d President Bush leave his successor with the worst recession, the worst economy and the worst job creation figures since the Great Depression?
Folks, we’re in the presence of greatness — we have Nitwitticus of Borg posting for us right here! (laughing)
md
April 21st, 2011
4:17 pm
“U3 leaves out many groups of people who would otherwise cause the number to go up”
Yes, but those groups are consistently left out year over year……….add them in and the average doesn’t really change.
TaxPayer
April 21st, 2011
4:17 pm
Many, or most, Republicans appear to need a leader that they can worship and so they wrongly assume that everyone else shares their inadequacies.
getalife
April 21st, 2011
4:18 pm
Liberal’s or pros if you will ,did not want to cut the troop’s pay and end Medicare.
Just factin.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
4:19 pm
Scott
Thinking about it, I should not have written “cons assert Candidate Obama said he would end the Afg war.” Some libs, did, too. They both saw and heard what they wanted to see and hear.
Isn’t it nice they could be in agreement on something? Even if it was inaccurate?
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
4:20 pm
Lil — “And with that, I rest my case!”
It’s not surprising, given that you clearly don’t understand statistics. (laughing)
Now I know why you don’t want to look at the job creation numbers.
jm
April 21st, 2011
4:20 pm
SoCo – I really don’t care for Amanpour. At all. Tapper’s not bad, Stephanopolous was good. Amanpour pretty much blows….
St Simons - we're on Island time
April 21st, 2011
4:22 pm
I like this blog. Spirited debate, no racism. But now to the beach.
Come on down, grab a margaritta, mellow out dudes. Think it through and you’ll never vote Republic again. A hint to my former fellow Atlantans when you come down here – do like us, wait til late afternoon to hit the beach, its not as hot, sunburn’s not as bad. And remember, the good of All of Us outweighs the good of a few, You know its true. Listen, Mother Ocean will tell you. You’re lying to yourselves, Republican friends. I did it for years.
AmVet
April 21st, 2011
4:22 pm
Truth,
Who would you rate as the better president – James Earl Carter or George Walker Bush?
Paul
April 21st, 2011
4:22 pm
@@
Wasn’t assets. Was yearly income.
And I do my own windows, too. Bought a squeegee and scrubber at Home Depot. Another reason I bought one of the few one-stories in our area. Easier maintenance.
jm
April 21st, 2011
4:23 pm
St. Simons – hate to warn you, the racism issue does crop up pretty often.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
4:24 pm
jm
Haven’t seen too many with Amanpour myself. However, that one show pretty much disproves Scott’s assertion that “Now, you do not hear a peep.” I kinda liked Step’s hosting style myself.
md
April 21st, 2011
4:25 pm
“And remember, the good of All of Us outweighs the good of a few, You know its true.”
Unfortunately, there is a large swath of selfish folks that believe otherwise………and the sad part is, many here believe they are restricted to one “side”.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
4:25 pm
SoCom
Hope Scott’s still here to see your 9:15.
I’m with you on those segments, too, for reasons I won’t go into here -
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
4:25 pm
“I really don’t care for Amanpour. At all.”
Paul! Did you see that? The humanity!!!
Daryl-Atlanta
April 21st, 2011
4:25 pm
Donald Trump, like Ross Perot would never be happy as president. First of all, neither would want to move into a smaller house.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
4:26 pm
jm…if there is no conviction, the man is presumed innocent and entitled to the protections of the US Constitution and decency in his confinement awaiting trial. If he has not been treated so, then those who abused him should be charged and tried. Ultimately the President is responsible and it appears that it has come to the awareness of some at the White House as the individual has been transferred to the custody of others and not left with alleged abusers– a change that many hoped for. It is a disgrace to this country and to many members of our military that anyone would celebrate the abuse of prisoners. It is unfortunate for the President that he has been embarrassed by those allegations by those trusted to properly confine the prisoner. It is a testimony to the power of public pressure that the change has been made. Those who cheer the alleged abuse are shameful.
JKL2
April 21st, 2011
4:26 pm
SoCo-
You remind me of NPR arguing Armed Forced Radio wasn’t balanced because they played an hour of Rush Limbaugh. Somehow playing 5 hours of conservative radio a week over-shadowing the 100+ hours of liberal drivel and needed to be changed.
Just because ABC does one positive story doesn’t give them a pass for their constant backstabbing of our Armed Services.
jm
April 21st, 2011
4:27 pm
SoCo 4:24 – me too. Amanpour’s overly focused on international issues. The whole reason “the sundays” are engaging (for me) is because of the focus on national and local politics….
Bad choice on Amanpour in my book. She’s going to be the next Katie Couric. She belongs and should stay in international reporting.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
4:28 pm
Pogo — “Methinks ole Joe certainly does have a messiah and he/she knows it.”
I’m an atheist. Atheists have no messiahs.
“Man-up and say you are an Obama Joe!”
I voted for Obama, yes. And I also voted Republican for over 20 years before I switched. I know how the game is played on *both* sides, sir/ma’am.
Facts and truth *used* to matter to conservatives; if facts didn’t line up with what we wanted to do, we’d adjust and fine-tune our approach, and then start over. We didn’t shy away from facts that disagreed with us. Now it’s all about ideology and going LA LA LA LA when someone presents an inconvenient fact or a piece of evidence that disagrees with them.
It’s behavior like yours that drove me away from the GOP, Pogo. Don’t count on it bringing me back in. You’re not going to convince me to come back by going LA LA LA LA and pretending to understand something you don’t.
“From Wilkipedia:
Looking at the annual average unemployment rates for each of the eight years of Bush’s presidency, the average of all eight figures, and thus of his entire presidency, is 5.26%, with a low of 4.6% for the years of 2006 and 2007, and a high of 6.0% for 2003.[64]”
Irrelevant. Go back and find the link I posted a page or two back. And read the post associated with it. It explains exactly why this reliance on U3 (the figures you posted) are misleading at best.
“Hummm Joe. You forte must not be math.”
No, it’s statistics. (laughing)
I always know when I’m debating with someone who has no idea about employment, the economy and how such things are assessed, because they demonstrate this crazy reliance on the U3 figure.
If anyone’s got a messiah, it’d be you and Lil, the way you cling to that number.
TaxPayer
April 21st, 2011
4:28 pm
I get the distinct impression that Ryan’s yellow brick roadmap is not going over too well with the Republican constituency. They’re gonna have to come up with some better words and phrases from Luntz to paint those lips with before they can fool the people again cuz that dawg just ain’t huntin’.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
4:28 pm
Bosch
Yeah, there’ve been a few posts here today beyond the pale -
garep
April 21st, 2011
4:29 pm
of course an idiot will applaud another idiot
jm
April 21st, 2011
4:29 pm
Keep 4:26 – I, myself, am not a court of law or a reporter. I can make judgments. The guys guilty in my book. We’ll see what the military says. Frankly, if convicted, the guy should be hung.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
4:29 pm
“She’s going to be the next Katie Couric. ”
jm,
If you don’t stop, Paul and I will have to come hunt you down.
say what?
April 21st, 2011
4:29 pm
Can someone tell me honestly why this lil bb refers to President Obama as the idiot messiah? I mean, messiah?? A tad dramatic, aren’t we?
Joe Cool
April 21st, 2011
4:29 pm
The Donald=”The Joe the Plumber of Fifth Avenue.”
jm
April 21st, 2011
4:30 pm
Bosch / Paul – how on god’s green earth was that “beyond the pale”?
pogo
April 21st, 2011
4:30 pm
uh-oh, Obama is sending un-manned drones into Libya. Another war-front is opening. Where are the code-pinkers when you need them and where is the outrage from the left? Innocent civilians will be killed just as they always are when using these machines. Maybe, in Obama’s mind, he can sleep better at night knowing that it isn’t actual human beings on the ground doing the killing, just machines that are far-removed from the “fog of war”. And what about the casualties in Afghanistan? Where are the pictures of the American soldiers bodies coming home that the popular media wanted to put out there during the Bush years? What happened to all that?
By far progressive/liberals are the most hypocritical group of people on this earth. They stand for absolutely nothing but their ideology and even that constantly changes to meet their own political and personnal desires. Obama truly is their messiah because he morphs into whatever he wants to because he knows his base will always accept it. What does he have to lose? He could spit into their face and they would still vote for him. In fact, he as already done that (politically speaking) and they still fall to their knees in front of him. What does that make his base?
jm
April 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
“I will have to come hunt you down.”
[red button. pushed]
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
4:31 pm
“Innocent civilians will be killed just as they always are when using these machines.”
Oh look, how cute, the wingnuts are all concerned for civilians now.
md
April 21st, 2011
4:32 pm
“Those who cheer the alleged abuse are shameful.”
I guess we are back to the definition of abuse……..I can’t agree with the naked part, but have no problem with anything else. I think half our problem as a society is the we coddle those that choose to enter the penal system……………most live better than those that have done nothing to harm society……high time we turn off the AC, TV’s, basketball courts, etc and make them realize they made a bad choice.
Give them all the books they can read and nothing else…….
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
4:33 pm
jm,
Yes, they have, and don’t you be calling that goddess a whore!!!
jm
April 21st, 2011
4:33 pm
Bosch 4:31 – straw man alert!
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
4:33 pm
md — “Yes, but those groups are consistently left out year over year……….add them in and the average doesn’t really change.”
That’s quite true, and you get a gold star for paying attention, and another one for making a very good point.
The point you’re missing though is that U3 would be meaningful as an over-time comparison only if the size of the labor force AND the population did not change, or if they trended tightly together. When one trends much more quickly than the other (say, if we had another baby boom) or if one trends in the *opposite* direction (like we have now, where the labor force has been shrinking but population continues to grow), you lose the baseline values that make U3 worth using as a comparison at all. That’s why conservative commentators love to flog U3 — it doesn’t bear any resemblance to the actual employment situation now, but it’s a handy political cudgel. That’s why you see people like Lil’ relying on it and refusing to read anything that might disagree with it — because they are emotionally and politically invested in it being right. They’re in love with it, and they want to gay-marry it.
Very good point, md, and thank you very much for making it.
getalife
April 21st, 2011
4:34 pm
Saw luntz on fox spewing out talking points.
fox is gop propaganda all the time now.
They don’t pretend to do otherwise anymore.
JohnnyReb
April 21st, 2011
4:34 pm
What’s amazing is the Left actually thinks Republicans would nominate Trump.
jm
April 21st, 2011
4:35 pm
Bosch 4:33 – Amanpour. Goddess.
Is today the same day the Newt said he was against going into Libya, and yesterday he said he was in favor of going into Libya?
Cause that cr-p is just upside down and making my head spin. circuits frying….
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
4:35 pm
JKL — “over-shadowing the 100+ hours of liberal drivel and needed to be changed”
Please point to a specific piece of “liberal drivel” from NPR in the last 90 days. With link, please.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
4:35 pm
“What’s amazing is the Left actually thinks Republicans would nominate Trump.”
No Reb, we actually don’t. We know he’s just a fame whore seeking attention.
getalife
April 21st, 2011
4:35 pm
Do you know why Obama loves drones?
No US casualties.
pogo
April 21st, 2011
4:36 pm
Amvet, that is a tough one! Both of them sucked.
TaxPayer
April 21st, 2011
4:36 pm
Yes, they have, and don’t you be calling that goddess a whore!!!
She’s not a ho. She’s just hooking for love in all the wrong places.
Thulsa Doom
April 21st, 2011
4:36 pm
Lets see. Executive experience previous to coming into the white house for Barack Obama- zero. Unless you count being head of his college newspaper.
Donald Trump executive experience? No need to even go into it. The man’s business reputation speaks for itself whether you like him or hate him.
Obama’s executive wins- a health care bill that will eventually bankrupt the country, record shattering gas prices with further rises to come, record shattering unemployment, record shattering deficits with nearly 5 trillion in new debt added, and record future deficit projections by HIS OWN administration through 2020.
That’s what happens when you hire a pretty speech community organizer who has never had an executive job, doesn’t know the first thing about business, and is absolutely clueless to both economics and what a balance sheet is. Could we have really picked a worse leader than a know nothing community organizer? Nope. And the proof is right there for the all of us to see.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
4:37 pm
jm,
Hehehehehe. Got you back.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
4:37 pm
pogo — “uh-oh, Obama is sending un-manned drones into Libya. Another war-front is opening. Where are the code-pinkers when you need them and where is the outrage from the left?”
Under the War Powers Resolution, Presidents need not obtain Congressional authorization for military actions under 90 days in length. If you want outrage from me, come back in mid-June and talk to me.
I was US Army. Now I’m a disabled veteran. Which branch of the Armed Forces were YOU in?
pogo
April 21st, 2011
4:38 pm
Joe, my messiah ain’t no politician. That’s where you are going wrong.
Thulsa Doom
April 21st, 2011
4:38 pm
Me loves me some $5 a gallon gas- your friend Barack!
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
4:38 pm
” record shattering gas prices with further rises to come, record shattering unemployment, record shattering deficits with nearly 5 trillion in new debt added,”
Oh look, how cute, the wingnuts NOW care about unemployment, gas prices, and the deficits and the debt.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
4:39 pm
jm–The guys guilty in my book
You note that you are not a court of law. Unless you have access to all the evidence to be presented at trial, what evidence to you base your “opinion”? Information reported in the news?
You are entitled to your opinion. However it is admittedly uninformed and premature if there has not been a trial and conviction. How many other “opinions” do you hold that are based on being uninformed.
md — again, no conviction yet. Would you have supported the physical “abuse” of Richard Jewell? We can argue the shameful abuse of those convicted of criminal and similar acts. To argue for the abuse of those awaiting their day in court, shameful.
JKL2
April 21st, 2011
4:39 pm
say what- Can someone tell me honestly why this lil bb refers to President Obama as the idiot messiah?
Just wishing we could have elected a President based on the content of his character rather than the color of his skin. Better luck next time I guess…
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
4:39 pm
Enter your comments here
Mighty Righty
April 21st, 2011
4:40 pm
Paul,I am not speaking out against deaths in Afghanistan only the reporting. When Busg was president, the media kept a running total and gleefully reported each death. Now, nothing and it is worse than ever.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
4:40 pm
OMG! I’m so embarrassed, I did the “Enter your comments here” post thing!
Paul, don’t say one word……
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
4:41 pm
“and gleefully reported each death. Now, nothing and it is worse than ever.”
Are you seriously f*cking kidding me?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
4:42 pm
You remind me of NPR arguing Armed Forced Radio wasn’t balanced because they played an hour of Rush Limbaugh. Somehow playing 5 hours of conservative radio a week over-shadowing the 100+ hours of liberal drivel and needed to be changed.
And you remind me of someone who’s incapable of reading comprehension.
Just because ABC does one positive story doesn’t give them a pass for their constant backstabbing of our Armed Services.
It might not, as I never made that assertion. It does, however, disproves Scott’s assertion that there’s not a peep about US service member’s deaths anymore. Maybe you should read the entire exchange before responding with a knee-jerk reaction.
md
April 21st, 2011
4:42 pm
Re: Libya………I had no problem going in to protect civilians…….but I do have a problem allowing the massacre to change cities. Misrata is taking the brunt of the war, and the UN needs to up the ante…….Qaddafi is the threat, just take him out and be done with it.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
4:43 pm
SoCo,
“the 100+ hours of liberal drivel”
“And you remind me of someone who’s incapable of reading comprehension. ”
And obviously someone who doesn’t listen to NPR……just saying.
AmVet
April 21st, 2011
4:43 pm
Newsflash.
The President of the United States of America does nor control the free market price of gasoline.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
4:44 pm
Bosch
Me? Me?
jm 4:30
I was more referring to those insulting a Bosch Goddess and comments long about the time Jay last weighed in.
Righty
Didn’t see it as gleeful at all.
Now that the pace of Afg casualties has increased it’s reported more. Couple headliners in local paper this week. More mourning than celebrating.
md
April 21st, 2011
4:44 pm
“md — again, no conviction yet. Would you have supported the physical “abuse” of Richard Jewell? We can argue the shameful abuse of those convicted of criminal and similar acts. To argue for the abuse of those awaiting their day in court, shameful.”
As I said…what are we considering “abuse”? Solitary confinement?
TaxPayer
April 21st, 2011
4:45 pm
If Trump were president, he’d have to figure out some way to shorten the TV season in order to just get his new cabinet members hired. There’s just not enough air time in a day.
AmVet
April 21st, 2011
4:45 pm
“…rather than the color of his skin.”
Which half?
The white half or the black half?
Thulsa Doom
April 21st, 2011
4:46 pm
Oh look, how cute, the wingnuts NOW care about unemployment, gas prices, and the deficits and the debt.- Bosch
Bosch,
What can I say? If being a wingnut means you’re concerned about the debt, record shattering gas record shattering unemployment, and record shattering debt then yep- I’m a wingnut. Same with them extreme tea party folks who are extreme because they want the gubment to quit bankrupting the country. And to think they are the ones you think are extreme. Unfreakingbelievable!
md
April 21st, 2011
4:47 pm
“The President of the United States of America does nor control the free market price of gasoline.”
No….but he does control how we go about defending countries such as Saudi Arabia and others…………there is pressure to be applied………yet the Saudis are cutting production…..
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
4:47 pm
“I was more referring to those insulting a Bosch Goddess ”
Yeah, jm, and it’s beyond the pale. Beyond the pale…..
Thulsa Doom
April 21st, 2011
4:47 pm
I’ll see you guys later. Gotta go spend $6,000 to fill up my gas tank. Thank you Mr. Obama for making our currency so worthless due to the debt situation that I now have the pleasure of paying escalating gas prices. I’ll be the poor people are just loving your gas prices.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
4:48 pm
AmVet
“President Blames Speculators for Soaring Gas Prices”
http://www.heatingoil.com/blog/obama-blames-speculators-soaring-oil-prices-0220/
Fox person said the Pres should order the commodities trading commission to make a 50% cash payment a requirement for all oil futures bets.
That network’s getting full of surprises.
@@
April 21st, 2011
4:48 pm
Paul:
My point regarding assets? Rent received will be considered income.
We paid cash which WE earned and paid taxes on to purchase said rental properties on which WE will have to pay property taxes. While there are expenses we can claim, the one that gets my goad is the Passive Activity Losses (one time overall flat regardless). That PASSIVE activity is what’s got me out glazing my windows.
EVERY TIME we try to get ahead, in steps the local, state, or federal government with their handout although they’ve done little or nothing to assist us in our endeavors. Perhaps we should’ve gone Section 8 but that would only serve to get the government EVEN MORE into our business.
NO THANK YOU!
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
4:48 pm
Doom,
Whatever. I think it’s cute that you are NOW concerned with those things.
JKL2
April 21st, 2011
4:48 pm
joe mama- Please point to a specific piece of “liberal drivel” from NPR in the last 90 days. With link, please.
http://www.npr.org/ Take your pick, it isn’t hard.
This one’s for free: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfH46DTAkxo
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
4:48 pm
pogo — “Joe, my messiah ain’t no politician. That’s where you are going wrong.”
I neither have nor require a messiah. In my opinion, that’s where *you* are going wrong.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
4:49 pm
jm
I prefer Amanpour on international issues as well. I think she’s in her area of expertise there, and kinda like a fish out of water on domestic stuff. I’m not saying that she’s a bad reporter, but I don’t think she’s the best option for This Week either. I wouldn’t compare her to Katie though.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
4:49 pm
Thulsa
If it’s a Hummer, George W said he wants to buy one –
Just helpin’
Have a nice night -
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
4:49 pm
md..Your post was can’t agree with the naked part, but have no problem with anything else. I think half our problem as a society is the we coddle those that choose to enter the penal system……………most live better than those that have done nothing to harm society……high time we turn off the AC, TV’s, basketball courts, etc and make them realize they made a bad choice. then:
As I said…what are we considering “abuse”? Solitary confinement?
So what part of the “anything else” were you agreeing with? It was your choice to post that. Was it wrong to presume you knew the allegations when you reference “anything else”.
jm
April 21st, 2011
4:49 pm
Keep 4:39 – court of public opinion and the press. whatever.
Bosch – that was rotten….
AmVet 4:43 – SPR (strat petro res) , so he can (in the short run)
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
4:50 pm
JKL2 — “Just wishing we could have elected a President based on the content of his character rather than the color of his skin. Better luck next time I guess…”
Would you have been happier if we had picked Hillary to run?
Thulsa Doom
April 21st, 2011
4:50 pm
The President of the United States of America does nor control the free market price of gasoline.”
Economics 101. No. He doesn’t. But we purchase our oil in weaker and weaker dollar denominated oil prices. The dollar is weakening due to our disastrous debt and deficits. No one disputes this and no one disputes the end result that we are therefore paying much higher gas prices due to the weak dollar brought on by our debt situation. You’re welcome for the lesson.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
4:51 pm
Bosch @ 4:43
Is there a such thing a listening comprehension?
jm
April 21st, 2011
4:52 pm
Soco 4:49 – yeah, Amanpour is fine on international stuff. But Sunday is all about domestic inside baseball, inside the beltway stuff. I think she was trying to appeal to a broader audience, but I just don’t see it happening.
The only people that turn on the news on Sunday are political junkies and athiests that have nothing better to do.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
4:52 pm
@@
N-GA would post regularly on the local and state burden being more than the federal.
I admire your tenacity with rental units. My experience has been, you more than earn what you get. You were wise to avoid Sec 8. The administrative costs (time and paper) will give you whiplash.
Dave R.
April 21st, 2011
4:52 pm
“OMG! I’m so embarrassed, I did the “Enter your comments here” post thing!”
That’s what you get for “clowning” around, Bosch.
Leon A. Helmslee
April 21st, 2011
4:52 pm
Will @@ leave her future real estate fortune to her cats? Navel ponderers worldwide want to know.
John Birch
April 21st, 2011
4:52 pm
AmVet – Newsflash, there is no white half. The press reported the racist O identified himself on his 2010 census as African-American, not racially mixed!
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
4:52 pm
Mr. Doom — “What can I say? If being a wingnut means you’re concerned about the debt, record shattering gas record shattering unemployment, and record shattering debt then yep- I’m a wingnut.”
You’re a wingnut because you’ve thrown in with people who didn’t care when the GOP was doing it, but now act like a shark’s got them by the leg.
“Same with them extreme tea party folks who are extreme because they want the gubment to quit bankrupting the country. And to think they are the ones you think are extreme. Unfreakingbelievable!”
Again, if y’all cared when the GOP was running the show and doing it, you’d have more credibility.
jm
April 21st, 2011
4:53 pm
soco 4:51 – “listening ability”
AmVet
April 21st, 2011
4:53 pm
Paul, it is called Obama Derangement Syndrome.
There are a multitude of *legitimate* things to fault the man for, but when one has this disease, anything and everything is game…
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
4:54 pm
SoCo,
“Is there a such thing a listening comprehension?”
Apparently so, and apparently “web site reading comprehension” according to JKL2’s 4:48.
JKL2
April 21st, 2011
4:54 pm
Bosch- Oh look, how cute, the wingnuts NOW care about unemployment, gas prices, and the deficits and the debt.
Somebody has to pay attention to these things. We know obama and the Demwits obviously don’t give a $hit…
jm
April 21st, 2011
4:54 pm
John Birch – surely the POTUS did not spend the time to fill out a Census form. Hopefully Michelle (or more likely an admin) did it.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
4:55 pm
JKL2 — “http://www.npr.org/ Take your pick, it isn’t hard.”
Please follow directions, it isn’t hard.
Please present a SPECIFIC piece of “liberal drivel” with link. And pick a good one, because I’m going to grill you on it.
jm
April 21st, 2011
4:55 pm
Census address: 1600 pennsylvania avenue…. there was probably an element of pride in filling out “african american” on that one
Mighty Righty
April 21st, 2011
4:56 pm
Gm-I have no idea what you were trying to say. Something about bigots and Obama and respect? Sorry.
Left wing management
April 21st, 2011
4:56 pm
JKL2: “You remind me of NPR arguing Armed Forced Radio wasn’t balanced because they played an hour of Rush Limbaugh. Somehow playing 5 hours of conservative radio a week over-shadowing the 100+ hours of liberal drivel and needed to be changed.”
*STUPID ALERT*
You’re falling prey to a simple misconception common to people who engage in knee-jerk ideological demagoguing at the expense of actual thinking.
NPR is NOT “liberal” (whatever THAT is) to Limbaugh’s or FOX News’ “conservative” (and it’s perfectly clear what THAT is).
NPR is simply non-right, non-conservative, which is all you need to know to classify it. The error of perception comes in when you assume that because it’s non-conservative THEREFORE it must be a POLAR opposite of your side, which it’s not. It’s not OPPOSITE to your side, but simply INDEPENDENT of it. (The fact that to your mind these two are one and the same proves only your ideological blindness, not anything at all about NPR).
See, dude, just because an outfit chooses not to parrot your talking points and indulge your side’s gripes doesn’t mean it’s the opposite to your side, it just means it’s distinct from your side. Got it?
AmVet
April 21st, 2011
4:56 pm
“Please present a SPECIFIC piece of “liberal drivel” with link. And pick a good one, because I’m going to grill you on it.”
LOL.
I knew that one was coming….
jm
April 21st, 2011
4:57 pm
#
Kia to build Optima in Georgia, add jobs 4:03 PM
Read more: Atlanta Business News | Atlanta Business Chronicle
-I wonder if the NLRB is going to call Kia up and tell them it is illegal.
Aloe HA HA
April 21st, 2011
4:57 pm
Newsflash, there is no white half. The press reported the racist O identified himself on his 2010 census as African-American, not racially mixed!
That’s not what his long form shows.
Bosch
April 21st, 2011
4:57 pm
Okay, happy Maundy Thursday guys and pleasant evening….gotta get to church.
@@
April 21st, 2011
4:58 pm
Will @@ leave her future real estate fortune to her cats? Navel ponderers worldwide want to know.
Don’t own nary a one, (D)ingleberry.
jm
April 21st, 2011
5:01 pm
“Rachel Tobin reports that the median sales price of a home in metro Atlanta dipped by $14,600 to just under $100,000 in March, according to new data from the National Association of Realtors.”
And the beltline lobbyers are screaming about the need for affordable housing? Under $100K?????
ATL, the new Detroit?
Paul
April 21st, 2011
5:01 pm
You want more ‘liberal drivel’? More?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZrgxHvNNUc&feature=related
JKL2
April 21st, 2011
5:01 pm
SoCo- It does, however, disproves Scott’s assertion that there’s not a peep about US service member’s deaths anymore.
When Bush was in office the death total was a daily statistic on any news cast. Haven’t heard much the last couple years. Can’t remember the last time I saw a flag draped coffin on TV. 95% of reporters are left wingnuts trying to push their agenda. It’s just amaizing how one man’s radio program can somehow be “unfair” in the eye’s of the liberal media.
pogo
April 21st, 2011
5:01 pm
Uh, no military service for me Joe. So what? Do you hate all of the people in this country that haven’t served? My problem with liberals such as yourself is your ability to change your fundamental anti-war beliefs based upon who is sitting in the drivers seat in the White House. Jay did exactly the same thing so at least you are in good company. Are you excusing Obama and his continuing war effort in Afghanistan and now his expanding involvement in Libya (a country of little or no consequence to us at this point in history)? Why is he any different than Bush?
Did I say anything about him having congressional approval for the Libyan intervention? Presidents have done the exact same repeatedly in our nations history. Face it man, you’re just another liberal “brick in the wall”. Nothing more, nothing less. I am truly sorry for your physical disability and I hope that it will be better either physically or mentally for you. But your brain obviously isn’t disabled other than suffering from EPDD (Extreme Progressive Depravity Disorder). That’s a joke Joe. Peace out man.
Del
April 21st, 2011
5:02 pm
Well now Obummer has decided to send two Drones to Libya for seeking out Qaddafi forces in urban areas. Another escalation of the kinetic action. Kinetic action, I guess that’s supposed to mean pristine warfare.
jm
April 21st, 2011
5:02 pm
I think I need to go buy some homes…
Paul
April 21st, 2011
5:03 pm
Bosch
“Okay, happy Maundy Thursday guys and pleasant evening….gotta get to church.”
Enjoy, Bosch.
Waitaminnit… ain’t no moon out…. what are you Pagans gonna dance to?
Dave R.
April 21st, 2011
5:03 pm
“Again, if y’all cared when the GOP was running the show and doing it, you’d have more credibility.”
Many of us were concerned about it when the GOP screwed things up even more than you libs did for a while, but you didn’t listen to us then, either.
The common theme here is that you libs don’t listen to anybody but yourselves.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
5:03 pm
Mr. Doom — “Economics 101. No. He doesn’t. But we purchase our oil in weaker and weaker dollar denominated oil prices. The dollar is weakening due to our disastrous debt and deficits. No one disputes this and no one disputes the end result that we are therefore paying much higher gas prices due to the weak dollar brought on by our debt situation. You’re welcome for the lesson.”
Huh. So the shrinking dollar is only a *recent* phenomenon?
Let’s see some charts, Mr. Doom.
jm
April 21st, 2011
5:03 pm
Del – yeah, who in the hell wrote “kinetic action” in the speech, or did Obummer ad lib that?
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
5:04 pm
jm @ 4:52 — Agreed!!!
@ 4:53 — Appreciate that. gotta jot that down in my notebook.
Bosch @ 4:54
LOL!!!! Sounds like we need a 4-wheel comprehension alignment in Bay #1…….
Elder D. Berry
April 21st, 2011
5:05 pm
Don’t own nary a one, (D)ingleberry.
You cats will be disappointed to hear that.
JKL2
April 21st, 2011
5:05 pm
AmVet- Which half?
The white half or the black half?
Shouldn’t matter (that’s the point). Unless you were black and voted in the last election….
Left wing management
April 21st, 2011
5:05 pm
JohnnyReb : “What’s amazing is the Left actually thinks Republicans would nominate Trump.”
Huge mistake. See BMDPD, the right is just as capable of misunderestimating Mr. Trump as the left is.
The New Republic has a nice piece here on why it’s folly for the Republican mainstream to think they can block Mr. Trump’s ascent.
If Trump is pushed out of the limelight or off the campaign trail by the conservative establishment, or by his own erratic record on a host of issues, the atavistic longings of the rank-and-file conservative base will simply affix themselves elsewhere as other candidates try to tap the rich vein of anger he’s helped galvanize. And if he survives the pounding he’s about to get from respectable opinion, then George Will is right: He will make a “shambles” of every Republican presidential debate. But that’s not only because he’s an eccentric demagogue who is willing to say just about anything for attention. It’s also because he’s exactly what conservative voters crave.
http://www.tnr.com/article/the-permanent-campaign/87073/donald-trump-mitt-romney-republican-election
Tom
April 21st, 2011
5:06 pm
Joe Yo Mama (4:03) Thanks for letting me know you pay taxes, my faith in you liberals has now been restored! Yes, I have paid taxes, SS, & Medicare also for the past 45 years of my working life prior to my retirement. It bothers me to see my taxes go to all those Muslim countries and Mexico. We seem to be getting no financial benefit from them which is only hurting the USA. With our unemployment rates, gas prices out of sight, illegal immigration costs and the Obama administration having no answers to solve these issues. We have got to quit spending more than we take in and quit rescueing every country that has some internal problem. Do you lefties really have a concern for your children and grandchildren’s future 30-40 years down the road?
md
April 21st, 2011
5:07 pm
Yeh…I’ve read the charges…….the one missing is high treason……during wartime………and I see it as a military matter different than your average Joe citizen………..
And his attorney has stated that his guards have been nothing but professional……..even the naked part is debatable considering he is under a suicide watch……..that is part of the “protection” we have handed over to the gov’t for our own well being…………
Del
April 21st, 2011
5:08 pm
jm, probably one of his czars came up with it. Must have been on his teleprompter.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
5:08 pm
Paul — “You want more ‘liberal drivel’? More?”
Can’t do youtube right now. Have you got a non-youtube link? Or something *directly* from NPR?
AmVet
April 21st, 2011
5:10 pm
“Shouldn’t matter (that’s the point). Unless you were black and voted in the last election….”
The previous six Democratic candidates for president all had similar black voting percentages.
No sale.
And where’s that SPECIFIC liberal drivel from NPR?
(LWM has it as right on that topic as you have it wrong.)
JKL2
April 21st, 2011
5:10 pm
Joe Mama- Would you have been happier if we had picked Hillary to run?
I’m not a McCain fan but I think he was the lesser of the two evils. Hillary is another crook (I think she was the evil of the Clinton years) but I would gladly take her over obama.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
5:10 pm
JKL2
I’m not gonna make assumptions about the content of your TV watching, but as I said earlier, if you really want to see it, it’s out there. If you don’t want to see it, it’s easily avoidable. I’ve even seen tv shows honor soldiers.
I bet you haven’t seen the special baggage carrier that Delta has to carry the soldier’s remains when they return home through Hartsfield on tv either, have you? Have you seen the honor guard that Delta has to escort those remains and pay tribute to them on tv? I’ve seen both and witnessed both in use. Just because you haven’t seen it on tv does not mean that it doesn’t exist. I bet it’s a plan by the evil liberal media in Atlanta to keep those things off of tv (sarc).
md
April 21st, 2011
5:14 pm
Is it just me, or has Hillary aged ten years in the past 2?
pogo
April 21st, 2011
5:17 pm
People like Tom are the ones that the regular bloggers here will just blow off and overlook. But those that do this do it at their own peril. Tom’s comments are coming from the heartland and that is what they (and me) believe of our current situation. So all of you can sit on your elitist ideological mountain top and dismiss them if you want. In fact, I encourage you to do just that.
Curious Observer
April 21st, 2011
5:18 pm
It is a disgrace to this country and to many members of our military that anyone would celebrate the abuse of prisoners. It is unfortunate for the President that he has been embarrassed by those allegations by those trusted to properly confine the prisoner. It is a testimony to the power of public pressure that the change has been made. Those who cheer the alleged abuse are shameful.
Testify! I’ve said the same thing on this blog. Those who cheer such abuse are generally the mean-spirited sub-humans who take great satisfaction in the thought that a prisoner will be put in the same cell with “Bubba.” There is no humanity in people who think like that.
Del
April 21st, 2011
5:19 pm
Dem defections on the debt ceiling issue must be concerning to the W.H. Maybe this will become a bi-partisan effort to force significant spending concessions as a condition for raising the debt ceiling.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
5:19 pm
Joe
It was just the kind of stuff I’ll post in late afternoon while winding down. It was from the musical “Oliver” with little, thin Oliver holding his bowl and pleading “More?” and all around him the well-fed adults are hollering ‘MORE?!!!?’
Lil' Barry Bailout
April 21st, 2011
5:20 pm
Joe Mama: If it worked, then why’d President Bush leave his successor with the worst recession, the worst economy and the worst job creation figures since the Great Depression?
———
You know that the recession ended in June 2009, right? Not exactly epic. Of course, the ‘tards have to puff it up so as to give the illusion that their Idiot Messiah has an actual accomplishment to point to.
Recession: Fixed by Bush.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
5:21 pm
250 constitutional attorneys disagree with you You may be interested in the commentary on suicide watch that reads in part Private Manning has been designated as an appropriate subject for both Maximum Security and Prevention of Injury (POI) detention. But he asserts that his administrative reports consistently describe him as a well-behaved prisoner who does not fit the requirements for Maximum Security detention. The brig psychiatrist began recommending his removal from Prevention of Injury months ago. These claims have not been publicly contested.
Mannings attorney filed a formal complaint over his treatment
But now you are defending his treatment other than beign naked “no problem”, “coddling” and not abusive, now you are running away from your position by suggesting that his alleged treatment was “professional” and denying the allegations of abuse that you previously said were no problem. If they are “no problem” then you must accept them as alleged without defense. To put forth a defense is to admit there is a problem if your defense fails. And the allegations are that your “defense” is a ruse.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
5:23 pm
md
the job’ll do that to you.
SoCom
Good movie on the subject – on DVD – Kevin Bacon in the role of a USMC LtCol as escort officer.
“Taking Chance.”
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1019454/
Found it tough to watch.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
5:26 pm
Paul
I’ve seen that movie several times… That one still makes the eyes get watery.
Gm
April 21st, 2011
5:27 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout
You have to be the only one in the world to defend George W Bush, this man can not even travel overseas
without being arrested for war crimes.
This just shows what a bunch of idiots we have in America, over 4800 American troops dead, and his cowboy polices got over 5,00 Americans killed in Ny, he destroyed our economy please no President will ever come close t this.
md
April 21st, 2011
5:28 pm
You may want to re-read my earlier post………”coddling” was in reference to how we treat our current prison population……not Mr Manning………..
And no, I see his treatment as no different than most all that we lock up and pretend they are innocent until proven guilty………that is a sham from the get go……..admit it or not, the system is set up as guilty until proven innocent……….and now you folks want to get all in a huff…………
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
5:29 pm
For those who want to know about Delta’s honor guard group….
http://www.mycountypaper.com/henrydailyherald/headlines/87301067.html
Keep Up the Good Fight!
April 21st, 2011
5:30 pm
md– your deflecting and avoiding a real response but expected. Your original position was shameful.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
5:31 pm
SoCom
I did not realize a commercial airline had their own honor guard.
Thanks -
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
5:32 pm
pogo — “Uh, no military service for me Joe. So what? Do you hate all of the people in this country that haven’t served?”
Not at all. But I do think that people who haven’t served do not have the right or the moral authority to question my patriotism and love of country. You can disagree with me all you want, but you need to step back if you’re going to suggest that I don’t love my country.
“My problem with liberals such as yourself is your ability to change your fundamental anti-war beliefs based upon who is sitting in the drivers seat in the White House.”
I have no such ability. I am very consistent in my opinions and beliefs on that score, and I will be pleased to articulate them.
Yugoslavia (Clinton, 1995) Shouldn’t have gone in. No Congressional authorization, no compelling national interest.
Afghanistan (Bush, 2002) Absolutely right to go in. We were attacked by someone known to be there and who had admitted to the attack. I’d like for us to stay involved there until we find a ketchup stain that used to be Osama bin Laden. It doesn’t matter to me that we have a different President now; OBL might be hanging around still.
Iraq (Bush, 2003) Shouldn’t have gone in. No Congressional authorization, no compelling national interest, possible misrepresentation and fraud in getting us in there. Getting rid of Saddam Hussein was all fine and dandy, but North Korea’s got a worse dictator and worse weapons, and we haven’t done jack spit to him. In fact, we’re shipping him food and fuel and giving him a table to talk.
Libya (Obama, 2011) Shouldn’t have gone in; no compelling national interest. BUT under the War Powers Resolution, the President can order troops into action for up to 90 days without Congressional authorization. So from my perspective, he’s got until Mid-June to either get that authorization or get us out of there.
What upsets me about conservatives such as yourself is your remarkable ability to hold forth upon and bloviate about our military and about military operations without having the foggiest effing notion of what goes on in the military and what the laws are regulating its use. If you’re going to shoot your mouth off about this topic, then you’d better either come ready to get knocked down a peg or two, or else you can sit down and ask some questions and maybe learn something.
“Jay did exactly the same thing so at least you are in good company. Are you excusing Obama and his continuing war effort in Afghanistan and now his expanding involvement in Libya (a country of little or no consequence to us at this point in history)? Why is he any different than Bush?”
I listed my opinions above. If you’d like to discuss any of them in further detail, feel free to ask me about specific ones.
“Did I say anything about him having congressional approval for the Libyan intervention?”
No. But he needs to have it.
“Presidents have done the exact same repeatedly in our nations history.”
So? Just because you break the speed limit on 285 doesn’t make it right.
“Face it man, you’re just another liberal “brick in the wall”. Nothing more, nothing less.”
No, I’m *better.*
I’m a former Republican. I know how people like you think, and how you argue. I know the tactics, the methods and the arguments. I used to *volunteer* for GOP campaigns, for crying out loud. I’m a gun-owning, college-educated disabled vet who grew up in the Deep South. I’m like y’all’s target demographic and you still ran me off.
The GOP is breaking apart, and has been for several years. The first hint was when y’all slagged on a war veteran named Kerry in the 2004 election. A lot of politically moderate veterans — and I mean A LOT of them — became very disillusioned with the GOP when y’all did that. Some of us left then; I did. Some stuck around for a while longer.
The next hint came when war vet John McCain would talk about his war service, but not his war record. And when the GOP tried to hide how badly the war and economy were going in 2008. You managed to pry off a lot more moderates in that election, too. But the biggest hint has been the rise of the Tea Party. The Tealiban are the crazies that have gotten tired of waiting around to run the show, and so they’ve split off from the GOP. The GOP kind of nurtured them, hoping to co-opt them, but it hasn’t worked. Now they’ve got a monster on their hands that they can’t control, and they’re trying to get moderates like me back so they can win in 2012.
Um — it’s not likely to happen. You haven’t changed anything that ran us off. You’re placing ideology and party loyalty over country. You’re saying crap that isn’t true. You’re slagging on the patriotism of people with whom you disagree. And you’re being a bunch of shrill buttholes when you do it.
I’m *far* from being a typical liberal. You and I probably have a *lot* more in common than you’d care to admit. But I can’t be on your ideological side any more. You’re crapping on too many people just because they’re a little different from you, and you’re vicious about it. Sorry — IMO, people like you shouldn’t be running a pizza joint, much less the most powerful country on earth.
“I am truly sorry for your physical disability and I hope that it will be better either physically or mentally for you.”
Physically.
“But your brain obviously isn’t disabled other than suffering from EPDD (Extreme Progressive Depravity Disorder). That’s a joke Joe. Peace out man.”
If you want any of us back, you’re going to have to try harder. Slagging on our patriotism and calling people un-American isn’t the way to go about doing it. That’s why you lost the White House in 2008. Keep it up, and you’ll just guarantee another Obama term.
Then maybe we’ll get President Mark Warner in 2016. Read up on him, because he’s going to be your President one day.
Midori
April 21st, 2011
5:32 pm
I’ll see you guys later. Gotta go spend $6,000 to fill up my gas tank.
you must drive one of those gas guzzling monstrosities. Figures.
and he wants to blame the president for his p*ss poor taste in vehicles.
Dave R.
April 21st, 2011
5:35 pm
“and his cowboy polices got over 5,00 Americans killed in Ny,”
OK, Gm, THAT one needs to be clarified.
JKL2
April 21st, 2011
5:35 pm
SoCo- I bet you haven’t seen the special baggage carrier that Delta has to carry the soldier’s remains when they return home through Hartsfield on tv either, have you?
Not at Hartsfield but yes and yes. It came with doing Casualty Assistance details. I have seen them on TV. I also know it was illegal to show them as it was done without consent of the Soldier’s families. I believe it went to the Supreme Court as a First Amendment/Freedom of information case. That’s because the media wanted to show coffins on TV to help discredit Bush. Haven’t seen much since obama took office.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
5:35 pm
Tom — “Joe Yo Mama (4:03) Thanks for letting me know you pay taxes, my faith in you liberals has now been restored!”
Glad to help!
“Yes, I have paid taxes, SS, & Medicare also for the past 45 years of my working life prior to my retirement.”
Well, I’m still paying into your SS, so be nice to me.
“We have got to quit spending more than we take in and quit rescueing every country that has some internal problem.”
I don’t have a problem with cost-cutting. But we have to take in more than we spend. So we need additional revenue IN ADDITION TO cost cutting. How do you propose we increase revenue so that we can pay off all that long-term debt?
“Do you lefties really have a concern for your children and grandchildren’s future 30-40 years down the road?”
Absolutely. But I don’t thnk that cost cutting is going to solve the problem by itself.
md
April 21st, 2011
5:37 pm
“Taking Chance.”
A must see……..if for no other reason than to understand the realities of war………
Too many still look at it as a reality TV show……….
The documentary on Pat Tillman is also an eye opener…….
Paul
April 21st, 2011
5:38 pm
I’m guessing from Joe Mama’s post that the Republican Party lost a lot like him. And those left in the Party who are taking it down its current path are more than happy to write them off as RINO, impure, liberals at heart.
It’s like watching a train wreck in slow motion.
Hi Midori!!!!!!!!!!
getalife
April 21st, 2011
5:40 pm
Looks like sanity has returned to this blog.
For now.
JKL2
April 21st, 2011
5:41 pm
Please end the abuse of Private Manning. Shoot him and get it over with.
md
April 21st, 2011
5:42 pm
“md– your deflecting and avoiding a real response but expected. Your original position was shameful.”
Nothing shameful about it………..he’s being held in a cell under a suicide watch for a crime against the State………whether the “conditions” are abusive is highly debatable……….
I’ve seen the inside of plenty of cells one might consider abusive………what’s your definition……that is what is continually being avoided…….I asked that in post #1…….yet you keep skirting it.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
5:42 pm
Lil — “You know that the recession ended in June 2009, right?”
(laughing)
I TOLD you that Obama turned it around faster than Bush did. Thanks for the assist!
“Not exactly epic. Of course, the ‘tards have to puff it up so as to give the illusion that their Idiot Messiah has an actual accomplishment to point to.”
Hey, when was that monster stock market crash? 777 points in one day? What day did that happen, exactly?
“Recession: Fixed by Bush.”
Bush Stock Market: Lower at the end
Bush’s # Americans Working: Lower at the end
Bush USD Value: Lower at the end
Cocaine’s a hell of a drug, Lil.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
5:42 pm
Paul
Check this out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2aHPEGS-3w
Dave R.
April 21st, 2011
5:46 pm
“The first hint was when y’all slagged on a war veteran named Kerry in the 2004 election”
Joe Mama, John Kerry was, is and always will be a useless sack of $hit when it comes to being an elected official. I know the man personally and know him to be a lousy Lt. Governor and a worse U.S. Senator easily eclipsing that waste of oxygen Teddy Kennedy in uselessness.
His service was honorable, but his actions following said service were not only objectionable, but wholly without conviction when he threw other medals than his own away.
“Liveshot” Kerry (named for his ability to find an operating camera to get his mug on) is the epitome of an empty suit.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
5:46 pm
getalife
Yeah, for about one minute….
SoCom
Lost it on that one.
Thanks.
JKL2
April 21st, 2011
5:49 pm
Paul- “Taking Chance” Found it tough to watch
I found it tough to watch but probably for completely different reasons. Didn’t help I was stuck at a PAX terminal and got to see it several times.
Try watching this one http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1034320/
Same story line except easier on the eyes. Not sure which one has worse acting.
pogo
April 21st, 2011
5:50 pm
Joe, did I question your patriotism? I don’t know you and you don’t know me. But it looks as if you have some demons you really need to deal with, as we all do. There is no shame in it. Every American has every right to state their case and on the other hand, every American has the right to disagree with that case. If and when that right goes away, we are all screwed and we become nothing more than the sheep that are the people of China, North Korea or Venezuela. The only reason America defeated Hitler and Japan and their dreams of world conquest in goals in WWII is because our nation brought itself together in a time of extreme crisis. If another situation ever arises on the level of that one, I am not at all sure our counry would react in the same manner. If Obama and Bush have done nothing, they have divided this country into two halves which are not at all helpful to any of us. “A house divided, falls”, if you will. And make no mistake, this country is divided and it will fall unless something changes and China will own us without ever firing a bullet. All they have to do is own us through our relentless spending habits and our lack of any industrial base.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
5:51 pm
Paul — “I’m guessing from Joe Mama’s post that the Republican Party lost a lot like him. And those left in the Party who are taking it down its current path are more than happy to write them off as RINO, impure, liberals at heart.”
They are. They forgot Saint Ronald’s dictum that Thou Shalt Not Speak Ill of Another Republican. They also forgot that he said that they should even stick with people who are on their side only 80% of the time.
In a lot of cases, they ran us off because we didn’t fit some demographic of theirs. For example, they have a problem with folks in high-visibility positions who are known to be or are identifiably not GOP kosher. In my case, they don’t like me because I’m an atheist. I’m still active on Free Republic, but whenever Jim Rob figures out that we’re back, he has a pogrom and kicks us all off. So most of us violate his TOS and cultivate multiple accounts so that we can go back on and find each other again.
They also don’t like non-christians and gays. Shrug. I don’t care if someone’s a theist; that’s their business. And as far as being gay goes — it’s no one’s business but me and my wife what we do in the bedroom, and I don’t care what a couple of gay guys do in theirs. It’s not my relationship, so it’s none of my business.
They’ve also changed in recent years to value orthodoxy over fact. They now ignore or dismiss facts that run counter to their narrative — you’ve seen Lil’ do that all afternoon here.
In short, I just couldn’t continue to be part of that group. I do like some of their ideas, but in the end, a lot of those ideas have morphed into the same mean-spiritedness that has characterized their behavior in recent years.
Southern Comfort (aka The Man)
April 21st, 2011
5:52 pm
JKL2
Could it be possible then that the shortage of flag draped coffins on tv could be because of family requests for privacy?
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
5:55 pm
Dave — “Joe Mama, John Kerry was, is and always will be a useless sack of $hit when it comes to being an elected official.”
That may very well be, but the GOP seems to have found a way to diss Democratic veterans while forgiving the shortcomings and failings of Republican veterans.
I refer you to the 2002 slagging of Max Cleland. I don’t care if Saxby Chambliss were to save both me and my wife from a burning building — I will never shake hands with that man.
Show me a Democratic veteran to whom the GOP has shown respect and deference on military matters. In fact, accept my challenge and show me three.
I don’t think you can.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
5:58 pm
pogo — “Joe, did I question your patriotism?”
Yes. You repeated that crap about me having a messiah, implying that I put politics over country. As a disabled veteran, I find that VERY offensive.
“I don’t know you and you don’t know me. But it looks as if you have some demons you really need to deal with, as we all do.”
I dealt with them by leaving the GOP.
“There is no shame in it. Every American has every right to state their case and on the other hand, every American has the right to disagree with that case.”
Disagree then, and leave the disrespectful BS about a messiah out of it.
If you have issues with my positions and politics, then be a MAN about it and talk to me about them like a man.
Paul
April 21st, 2011
6:00 pm
Joe Mama
Ideology and social values above all.
‘course… they didn’t realize that they were saying ‘above all’ awhile they were upside down.
Fresh sheets upstairs -
Dave R.
April 21st, 2011
6:02 pm
“Show me a Democratic veteran to whom the GOP has shown respect and deference on military matters. In fact, accept my challenge and show me three.”
I’d have a hard time coming up with three Democrat veterans . . .
However, I didn’t see them piling on Joe Sestak or Jim Webb regarding their military service.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
6:08 pm
Dave — “I’d have a hard time coming up with three Democrat veterans . . . ”
There are plenty; you named two particularly notable ones. Charles Rangel was an Army NCO during Korea. There are a handful of young Democrats who are Iraq/Afghanistan veterans. Army MAJ Tammy Duckworth, who lost her legs in Iraq, lost her election bid, but IIRC she’s been appointed to a senior position in the VA.
When he was still serving in the Senate, I liked GOP Senator Chuck Hagel (Army, Vietnam) very much and hoped to see President Obama consider him for a Cabinet position, or perhaps a service secretary job like Sec Army.
“However, I didn’t see them piling on Joe Sestak or Jim Webb regarding their military service.”
Hard to do, considering Joe Sestak’s rank (Vice Admiral) and his recent service, and considering that US Marine Jim Webb was Reagan’s Secretary of the Navy.
JKL2
April 21st, 2011
6:09 pm
SoCo- Could it be possible then that the shortage of flag draped coffins on tv could be because of family requests for privacy?
Cindy Sheehan is rolling over in her grave. I haven’t seen her camped out at Tony Rezco’s protesting yet. I’m sure he wouldn’t mind since he’s in jail. (I’m sure he’s pissed he didn’t get a sweethaert deal from Eric Holder like the Black Panther guy)
Gm
April 21st, 2011
6:17 pm
Thanks Trump, low trash birthers you have assured Obama another 2012 term, you have alienated every minority in the USA they will come out in droves to vote for him, you bigots have shown America can not move forward untill scum like you guys are out the way.
JKL2
April 21st, 2011
6:21 pm
Joe Mama- Charlie Rangle is a notable? Is he in jail yet? I understand he is so senile he doesn’t what’s going on, but that doesn’t give you an excuse. I will say he is a perfect example of the obama/democratic mold (crook).
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
6:32 pm
JKL — “Charlie Rangle is a notable?”
You knew who he was, didn’t you?
He’s an example of a veteran who’s also a Democrat, and who’s generally fairly well-known to the public.
“Is he in jail yet?”
No, and why would he be? House ethics charges do not, so far as I am aware, even result in prison time. Perhaps you are uninformed as to the nature of the charges against him and how they were resolved.
“I understand he is so senile he doesn’t what’s going on”
He’s not senile at all.
“but that doesn’t give you an excuse.”
Excuse for what? What do you think I need an excuse for?
“I will say he is a perfect example of the obama/democratic mold (crook).”
Shrug. Did you have any substantive point to make, or are you just jaggin’ off all over the thread? Fap fap fap fap fap fap aaaaaaahhhhhh.
@@
April 21st, 2011
6:40 pm
I call BS of Joe Mama!!!
For example, they have a problem with folks in high-visibility positions who are known to be or are identifiably not GOP kosher. In my case, they don’t like me because I’m an atheist.
They also don’t like non-christians and gays. Shrug. I don’t care if someone’s a theist; that’s their business.
Who’s this “they” of which you speak.
I couldn’t care less how you choose to live your life. The fact that you would leave the party because a former vet turned politician has been criticized is baloney. Superficial window dressing for public consumption, and I’m not buying it.
@@
April 21st, 2011
6:42 pm
Another thing, Joe Mama.
If you’ve opted for the Dems, just know you’ve hooked up with a party that was all too quick to accuse Marines in Haditha of murder when the evidence proved otherwise.
JKL2
April 21st, 2011
6:49 pm
Joe Mama- Did you have any substantive point to make, or are you just jaggin’ off all over the thread?
Actually kind of funny since I got a vasectomy today. When I give an example of honorable people I usually don’t go with crooks. Ted Kaczynski is famous too, but I don’t think Harvard has him at the top of their list for “distinguished alumni”.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
6:50 pm
@@ — “I call BS of Joe Mama!!!”
And I say go get stuffed. You accused me of bigotry last evening, and I’m still waiting for you to explain why, coward.
“Who’s this “they” of which you speak.”
Local GOP leadership. And in many cases, individual members of the GOP.
“I couldn’t care less how you choose to live your life.”
Maybe *you* don’t, but a lot of conservatives and members of the GOP *do.* If you’re an announced atheist or openly gay, or if you have any other characteristic they don’t like, forget about being in any kind of key position in the party. Oh, they’re happy to take your money, your volunteer time and your vote, but don’t expect to move up in the party hierarchy and don’t expect anyone to listen to any of your issues. It’s sit down and shut up time in that case.
“The fact that you would leave the party because a former vet turned politician has been criticized is baloney.”
More stupid misleading crap from you.
1) I didn’t say what you claimed I did (I’m beginning to see that misrepresenting others’ comments is par for the course with you).
2) Whether you think it’s baloney or not is irrelevant, just like the opinion of the nitwit who questioned my veteran status is irrelevant.
“Superficial window dressing for public consumption, and I’m not buying it.”
You don’t have to buy a thing. It is what it is, whether you like it or not and whether you believe it or not.
Your party lost me after over 20 years, and that’s a fact.
And your ideological compatriots are not doing a very good job of winning me — or people like me — back.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
6:52 pm
@@ — “If you’ve opted for the Dems, just know you’ve hooked up with a party that was all too quick to accuse Marines in Haditha of murder when the evidence proved otherwise.”
If you’ve opted for the GOP, just know that you’ve hooked up with a party that was all to quick to give no-bid contracts to Halliburton — who did shoddy electrical work that got several Marines killed in the shower in Iraq. Any liability for Halliburton? Of course not.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
6:53 pm
JKL — “Actually kind of funny since I got a vasectomy today.”
LOL! Good on ya!
“When I give an example of honorable people I usually don’t go with crooks.”
I was not asked for — nor did I purport to be giving — any examples of “honorable people.” Please go back and reread.
I believe that you may have been mistaking the voice in your head for what I actually wrote.
JKL2
April 21st, 2011
7:10 pm
Joe Mama- you’ve hooked up with a party that was all to quick to give no-bid contracts to Halliburton — who did shoddy electrical work that got several Marines killed in the shower in Iraq. Any liability for Halliburton? Of course not.
Plenty of fraud, waste, and abuse on the battlefield. If it wasn’t for Dick Cheney being in the WH, Halliburton wouldn’t even be an issue. The way I remember it, one was killed and the family got a big paycheck out of it.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
7:21 pm
“The way I remember it, one was killed and the family got a big paycheck out of it.”
Actually, at least 12 were killed:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/05/28/soldier.electrocutions/index.html
@@
April 21st, 2011
9:19 pm
Joe Mama:
And I say go get stuffed. You accused me of bigotry last evening, and I’m still waiting for you to explain why, coward.
I did! Not my fault you didn’t check back in.
More stupid misleading crap from you.
1) I didn’t say what you claimed I did (I’m beginning to see that misrepresenting others’ comments is par for the course with you).
Oh really? I guess all the drama caused a lapse in memory.
The GOP is breaking apart, and has been for several years. The first hint was when y’all slagged on a war veteran named Kerry in the 2004 election. A lot of politically moderate veterans — and I mean A LOT of them — became very disillusioned with the GOP when y’all did that. Some of us left then; I did.
Curtain call!
And the crowd went Oooooooooooooo.
Joe Mama
April 21st, 2011
9:44 pm
@@ — “I did! Not my fault you didn’t check back in.”
You didn’t check in *today,* and that’s not *my* fault. You certainly do seem obsessed with the posting behavior of others.
More stupid misleading crap from you.
“Oh really? I guess all the drama caused a lapse in memory.”
Thanks for the admission.
“Curtain call! And the crowd went Oooooooooooooo.”
Right. Because you’re *wrong.* (laughing, pointing)
You clearly have a problem with understanding what others write. You make linkages and leap to conclusions that are not supported, and I’m beginning to see that that’s a habit with you.
You said: “The fact that you would leave the party BECAUSE A FORMER VET TURNED POLITICIAN HAS BEEN CRITICIZED is baloney. Superficial window dressing for public consumption, and I’m not buying it.”
I said that I left *then,* true. But not *because* of that, @@. You even posted where I said I left *then,* but there’s absolutely nowhere in that post or any other that I say that that’s WHY I left.
(laughing)
Go back and reread my posts on this topic. Then come back and ask me some questions. But stop leaping to conclusions, because you’re really bad at it.
@@
April 21st, 2011
10:04 pm
Joe Mama:
A drowning man will grasp at anything to survive.
A lot of politically moderate veterans — and I mean A LOT of them — became very disillusioned with the GOP when y’all did that. Some of us left then; I did.
At the very least, the personal attacks on Kerry was the defining moment, the final act, the last straw.
You can hold onto that straw, but it won’t save you from drowning.
Keep your day job ’cause acting ain’t your forte.
@@
April 21st, 2011
10:04 pm
Joe:
You can stuff your smileys too.
@@
April 21st, 2011
10:05 pm
…tough guy!
schnirt
Joe Mama
April 25th, 2011
4:25 pm
@@ — “Joe Mama: A drowning man will grasp at anything to survive.”
Show me where I said *because of.* :p
“At the very least, the personal attacks on Kerry was the defining moment, the final act, the last straw.”
Show me where I said *because of.* :p
“You can hold onto that straw, but it won’t save you from drowning.”
Show me where I said *because of.* :p
“Keep your day job ’cause acting ain’t your forte.”
Keep *yours,* because writing isn’t *your* forte. (pointing, laughing)
“You can stuff your smileys too.”
Aw, did @@ get its widdle feelings hurt? (pointing, laughing)
“…tough guy!”
Speaking of which, tell me about *your* military service. (pointing, laughing)
Once again, you clearly have a problem with understanding what others write. You make linkages and leap to conclusions that are not supported, and I’m beginning to see that that’s a habit with you.
I said that I left *then,* true. But not *because* of that, @@. You even posted where I said I left *then,* but there’s absolutely nowhere in that post or any other that I say that that’s WHY I left.
(laughing)
Go back and reread my posts on this topic. Then come back and ask me some questions. But stop leaping to conclusions, because you’re really bad at it.
I wrote the truth, and you don’t like it. That’s just too bad for you.