Georgia immigration law extreme, far-reaching

To tell you the truth, I didn’t believe they’d pull the trigger. And I’m not sure they believed it either.

For all their rhetoric and immigrant-bashing, I didn’t believe that Georgia legislators would go as far as they have in trying to criminalize substantial sectors of the state economy.

Essentially, that’s what they’ve done. If signed into law as expected by Gov. Nathan Deal, upheld in court and then fully implemented, House Bill 87 makes it illegal for a wide range of economic sectors — from Atlanta’s hotels and restaurants to the onion fields of Vidalia to the chicken and carpet industries — to function without substantial changes in how they operate. For some businesses and perhaps even entire industries, those changes may make it difficult to stay profitable, at least in Georgia.

Legislators were told all that. The state’s business and agriculture communities made sure they had their say, but in the end their warnings were ignored. None of it mattered. They could not prevent years of harsh, even demagogic rhetoric from being translated into actual law.

In fact, HB 87 has the potential to be the single most transformative piece of legislation passed in this state since the civil rights era. That’s how far-reaching some of its provisions are. Call it an educated, informed guess, but I’d bet that many Georgia Republicans, from the governor on down, are looking at each other today and wondering what in the hell they have done.

You could hear that doubt in Deal’s words earlier this week, when asked whether he would weigh in the controversial legislation. “I view this as primarily a legislative responsibility,” he said. “The difficulty they have encountered reflects the complexity of the issue, and certainly it’s a very multifaceted issue and a difficult one to come to logical conclusions that will be meaningful.”

This, from a man who in the past hasn’t hesitated to express strong support for harsh immigration legislation. Because of that history, he now has no choice but to embrace and sign it, whatever his private misgivings might be.

This thing simply got away from the state’s leadership. It gathered a momentum that none dared try to stop, and now we’re going to live with the consequences.

– Jay Bookman

346 comments Add your comment

stands for decibels

April 15th, 2011
1:14 pm

So Jay, got a link to the final bill’s text?

was I right? for undocumented workers are there 10 year max jail terms for first offenders, 15 year max for second offenders, and no criminal penalties whatsoever for employers?

DW

April 15th, 2011
1:18 pm

Kamchak

April 15th, 2011
1:20 pm

Any loop holes like the ethics legislation?

Granny Godzilla

April 15th, 2011
1:20 pm

ah yes….Mr and Mrs GOP….be careful what you wish for.

getalife

April 15th, 2011
1:20 pm

The house is not in order.

The gallery is protesting the gop vote to end Medicare.

How many jobs did this deal cost?

DW

April 15th, 2011
1:21 pm

Have fun fighting this in the Supreme Court like AZ. jacka$$es..

jm

April 15th, 2011
1:25 pm

Is a business based on the illegal use of labor a legal business?

I’m all for some sort of improved worker visa program if that’s what needed. I’m not for people being allowed to break the law. We throw robbers and drug dealers in prison. And yet big business should be able to break the law as it sees fit? Just screams hypocritical to me.

The industry will change and, to use agriculture as one example, the business will change from labor intensive businesses to ones that can make better use of fixed investment….

Rightwing Troll

April 15th, 2011
1:26 pm

Hold folks… here come all the jobs…

jm

April 15th, 2011
1:27 pm

Also of note. This is a byproduct of the dysfunction of the federal government to address the issue and manage the borders. Kind of like blaming the victim…..

Stonethrower

April 15th, 2011
1:27 pm

Now the unemployment rate in Georgia will drop thanks to all the jobs that will soon be available that “real americans” weren’t willing to do.

Tee

April 15th, 2011
1:29 pm

Every bill like this is from a GOP ran state !!! WHO’S NEXT ? :o )

willie lynch

April 15th, 2011
1:29 pm

Jay, Georgia is extreme.

Bosch

April 15th, 2011
1:30 pm

“They could not prevent years of harsh, even demagogic rhetoric from being translated into actual law. ”

That seems to be the biggest problem with the GOP here — they think their dogmatic ideologues will translate into the law — that’s always been a wee tid bit of a problem.

Dave R.

April 15th, 2011
1:32 pm

Oooooooh! “Extreeeeeeeeme!”

Jay’s got the marching orders from the Democrat leadership.

Finn McCool

April 15th, 2011
1:34 pm

If they enforce it with stiff penalties then get ready to pay more for your food – meat, vegetables, etc. Get ready for more closed plants and other businesses.

USMC dawg

April 15th, 2011
1:34 pm

MEXICAN immigration law extreme, far-reaching!

Jay, how about studying up on Mexico’s Immigration laws before you spit on your own country!

Our laws are no where near as EXTREME or FAR-REACHING as Mexico’s.

Is Mexico an EXTREMIST nation, now?

Finn McCool

April 15th, 2011
1:35 pm

Now the unemployment rate in Georgia will drop thanks to all the jobs that will soon be available that “real americans” weren’t willing to do.

LOL, right.

Brent

April 15th, 2011
1:35 pm

Must be a full moon, I actually agree with Bookman

willie lynch

April 15th, 2011
1:36 pm

AZ. has a bill in waiting requiring proof of U.S. birth for candidates seeking office. Wow, Obama the Kenyan, Bigfoot, Lochness Monster, magic bullett, Palin intelligent. How much more of this lunacy are we suppose to take. AZ. needs to adopt an idiot bill and remove these clowns they have in office. Georgia’s not far behind.

WOW #1

April 15th, 2011
1:37 pm

“To tell you the truth, I didn’t believe they’d pull the trigger. And I’m not sure they believed it either.”

Delta is ready when you are, Jay.

Finn McCool

April 15th, 2011
1:37 pm

Well, I’m not a business owner – middle class and a worker. I have to like the idea of limiting the number of competitors for jobs – raises the pay scale if all else is held equal. But, all else isn’t equal.

If I were a business owner, I might be looking to move my business to another state.

Brent

April 15th, 2011
1:38 pm

USMC- We probably agree on most things, however I don’t think we need to use Mexico as measuring stick for anything.

Don't Tread

April 15th, 2011
1:39 pm

Wow…now we’re criminalizing the economy. Gosh, that must be bad.

WOW #2

April 15th, 2011
1:39 pm

Jay and other left wingers are just angry because enforcing our LAWS will actually make the Democrat voting base go waaaaaaaay down. Without illegals, I mean undocumented Democrats, their numbers go down.

Oh well, you’ll always have unions. LOL

Bosch

April 15th, 2011
1:39 pm

You could hear that doubt in Deal’s words earlier this week, when asked whether he would weigh in the controversial legislation. “I view this as primarily a legislative responsibility,” he said. “The difficulty they have encountered reflects the complexity of the issue, and certainly it’s a very multifaceted issue and a difficult one to come to logical conclusions that will be meaningful.”

Yeah, that’s what happens when you go from Campaigner Deal to Governor Deal — it happens alot so I hear.

USMC dawg

April 15th, 2011
1:39 pm

“immigrant-bashing”-Jay Bookman

What an outright LIE by Jay Bookman. Who has BASHED immigrants, Jay?

Immigrants are welcome, ILLEGAL ALIENS have BROKEN THE LAW!

But go ahead and spew your hatred of America!

willie lynch

April 15th, 2011
1:40 pm

USMC dawg

April 15th, 2011
1:34 pm

Mexico was not founded on the principles of freedom that the U.S. espouses. It’s time to roll back all that America stands for.

Steven Q. Stanley

April 15th, 2011
1:41 pm

When you support Big Government, you must take the good with the bad.

Intown

April 15th, 2011
1:42 pm

@USMC dawg: Have you violated the speed limit lately? If so, throw your butt in jail and throw away the key. YOU ARE ILLEGAL!

Stupid is as stupid does.

Logical Dude

April 15th, 2011
1:42 pm

Do you have a link to the text? I want to see who is punished more severely for having an illegal worker working.
Does the illegal worker get a fine? jail time? deported?
Does the Company that Hires the worker get a fine? jail time?
Is e-Verify required?

Jay, you are quick with the disbelief, but slow on details. A hungry public wants to know what to eat!

Finn McCool

April 15th, 2011
1:42 pm

If they enforce the law, there will be new jobs for people with accounting degrees to work in enforcement checking the numbers on all the businesses – right down to the mom and pops.

WOW #3

April 15th, 2011
1:43 pm

“Mexico was not founded on the principles of freedom that the U.S. espouses.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“For all their rhetoric and immigrant-bashing”

Please cite ONE instance of immigrant-bashing, Jay. ONE

stands for decibels

April 15th, 2011
1:44 pm

Do you have a link to the text?

Here’s what the GA legislature has online, but Jay told me earlier it’s not the final version:

http://www.legis.ga.gov/legislation/en-US/displaybill.aspx?BillType=HB&billNum=87

Intown

April 15th, 2011
1:44 pm

This is a nation of immigrants. That has always been this country’s strength. So why do the proponents of HB 87 want to weaken America? Why do they hate America?

Finn McCool

April 15th, 2011
1:44 pm

Oh wait, if they need to hire for enforcement reasons, isn’t that making govmint bigger, not smaller?

Oh, well. I guess the minions voting red have to pick their battles.

Guy Incognito

April 15th, 2011
1:45 pm

Dems are just like students who complain when the teacher serparates the kids for a test.

“How can I cheat now????? Teacher is a racist”!

getalife

April 15th, 2011
1:45 pm

I am pretty sure some business owners and farmers are upset with lets make a deal.

There will be no excuses for you cons trolling on this blog all day so get a job.

Your vote for gop in 10 produced a yes vote on ending Medicare.

You can watch them vote yes to end Medicare on C-Span now.

Finn McCool

April 15th, 2011
1:45 pm

So why do the proponents of HB 87 want to weaken America? Why do they hate America?

They aren’t white??

SaveOurRepublic

April 15th, 2011
1:45 pm

USMC dawg @ 1:34 PM EDT (4/15) – Well said! The illegal invasion & it’s impact on American infrastructure (& us taxpayers who fund it) is indeed what is extreme & far reaching (in it’s damage to our Republic).

Mother of Deaf Son

April 15th, 2011
1:46 pm

Deaf people will have a chance to get a job where illegals work!

USMC dawg

April 15th, 2011
1:48 pm

“Mexico was not founded on the principles of freedom that the U.S. espouses. It’s time to roll back all that America stands for.”

No Willie, but our laws should be respected and followed.

My girlfriend just became a US citizen last month after FOLLOWING THE RULES.

She got in line and waited like every other decent foreigner does when they want to become a citizen.

What is wrong with that?

Are you saying that ILLEGAL ALIENS are not smart enough to follow our laws?

Guy Incognito

April 15th, 2011
1:48 pm

Hey libs…..start your own country if you hate the rest of the U.S. so much. Take the northeast, the left coast, and we’ll even toss in a rust belt state like Michigan.

Us rubes will only cling to the part of the country that you make fun of, “fly-over land” is what you call it.

Deal?

ralph

April 15th, 2011
1:49 pm

Stonethrower, you are right. I wonder how many unemployed citizens in Georgia would work in menial jobs at hotels, onion fields, poultry plants, now that the current workforce may be driven out. They ought to mandate that everyone who is on unemployment benefits work in such fields. Isn’t that the reason for all this backlash, that they are taking jobs from citizens. I expect to see nothing but good ole USA citizens in the poultry plants and farms in S GA. But I won’t. The problem of immigration illegally has been an issue since this country was created. These bills won’t create any new jobs. they may not be citizens, but Illegal immigrants work hard, how many Hispanic immigrants do you see panhandling all day downtown, not working? If they come here and want to work hard and don’t engage in violent criminal behavior, then i don’t care. Yes they can get free care at the ER like anyone else (federal law). They check citizenship for medicaid and food stamps, so they don’t use up those resources, contrary to what the GOP rumor mill says. That is part of their scare tactics.

USMC dawg

April 15th, 2011
1:49 pm

“@USMC dawg: Have you violated the speed limit lately? If so, throw your butt in jail and throw away the key. YOU ARE ILLEGAL!”-Intown

I see LOGIC isn’t your strong point, Intown.

Fletch

April 15th, 2011
1:50 pm

Real world example here: One of our largest clients operates 4 hotel properties in AZ. Since they required E-Verify for all employers, we have complied. One of the 1st things that happened, was the identification of employees that were not eligible to work in the U.S. because of mis matches between the name and social. Upon informing the employee that they had a choice to either contest the findings or quit, 99% walked away. Since then, the hiring process has been much smoother with a reduction in safety issues and Workers Comp issues. Also, we have seen a dramatic downturn in “red flag” issues from E-Verify.

Can’t speak for Georgia, but my experience is that this will be nothing but a positive. Unless of course you listen to the naysayers claiming that hiring legitimate citizens is bad for business.

Finn McCool

April 15th, 2011
1:50 pm

So a green bell pepper right now is about $1.39 each. Now that might go to $2.69 per pepper…That’s half a gallon of gas. How can the poor pepper compete?

It becomes clear why EVERY Republican idea revolves around giving out tax breaks to the wealthy – so they can afford to eat.

Peadawg

April 15th, 2011
1:51 pm

Something had to be done to keep the illegal immigrants out of the state. Besides letting police question immigration status during stops(which will probably be overturned like in Arizona), I like the bill. It may be extreme, employers may not like it, but something had to be done. Good job.

buck@gon

April 15th, 2011
1:51 pm

Jay,

I’ve got a nickel with your name on it, if you can tell me how the Georgia law is different from the unfulfilled promise of the Congress of the United States when “immigration reform” was promised in full and only delivered in part.

“to function without substantial changes in how they operate.”

Oh the horrors!!!

This is yet another self-indicting zinger courtesy of the typical Bookman company, Inc. Obamacare, government-owned motors, crony capitalism, permanent structural 8% + unemployment, calling a contiuing jobless recession a full recovery, calling spending the road to recovery, increasing tax rates, decreasing deductions, the potential elimination of charitable deductions, “death panels” (called for by Cynthia Tucker today), and claiming that he wants to “radically transform this country”. Both POTUS and FLOTUS said this.

Apparently “substantial changes in how they operate” is just fine when Democrats do it.

More lunatic, radical and substantial reform for me …………………….. but not for thee.

Go Tea Party!!!

buck@gon

April 15th, 2011
1:52 pm

Jay,

I’ve got a nickel with your name on it, if you can tell me how the Georgia law is different from the unfulfilled promise of the Congress of the United States when “immigration reform” was promised in full and only delivered in part

……..I mean delivered in the 1980’s, of course.

andygrdzki

April 15th, 2011
1:52 pm

Money sent home by legal and illegal immigrants residing in the U.S. totaled 69 billion 200 million dollars in 2008

La Hora (Quito, Ecuador) 3/17/09

Individual monetary remittances to Latin America totaled 69 billion 200 million dollars in 2008, according to the InterAmerican Development Bank. In some countries of that area, this amounts to 20% of the GNP. The drop foreseen for 2009 is cushioned by the dollar’s rise against several currencies including Mexico’s and Brazil’s and also against the euro.
Individual countries’ figures (in billions of dollars)
- Mexico 25,145
- Brazil 7,200
- Colombia 4,842
- Guatemala 4,315
- El Salvador 3,788
- Dom. Rep. 3,111
- Peru 2,960
- Ecuador 2,822
- Honduras 2,701

Hum….. and this money is leaving our economy….. And how many of you are against immigration laws?

And were taxes paid on all this money………. Does make you wonder……

Kamchak

April 15th, 2011
1:53 pm

USMC dawg @ 1:34 PM EDT (4/15) – Well said! The illegal invasion & it’s impact on American infrastructure (& us taxpayers who fund it) is indeed what is extreme & far reaching (in it’s damage to our Republic).

For 25 years, since St. Ronnie of-the-RayGun’s 1986 amnesty, not one word from silly cons about IAs.

Now it is “extreme & far reaching (in it’s damage to our Republic).”

Very late to the party on this one.

Good Grief

April 15th, 2011
1:53 pm

willie @ 1:40 -
What exactly do you mean by “it’s time to roll back all that America stands for?” Just asking for clarification, please.

Jay Bookman – Should we just roll over and allow anyone and everyone to come into our country? Why is immigrant bashing to want illegal aliens out of the US?

Intown @ 1:44 – We have an established legal system for immigration. If you follow that system, you are more than welcome in this country. But if you decide that you’d rather climb a fence, swim a river, or sneak in hidden in a car, then no, you’re not welcome. For the most part, all the conservatives who supported Arizona and now Georgia just want immigrants to do things legally. Please explain to me how desiring law abiding citizens and businesses constitutes hating America.

Guy Incognito

April 15th, 2011
1:53 pm

An interesting point to consider is that the hispanic population is, on average, a strong catholic-based community. When the dust clears and they see how the left hates christianity, they will stop voting for their slave masters in the Dem party

Logical Dude

April 15th, 2011
1:54 pm

probable punishment:
Any person acting in willful violation of this Code section by knowingly accepting
documents that are not secure and verifiable documents shall be guilty of a misdemeanor
and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by imprisonment not to exceed 12 months,
a fine not to exceed $1,000.00,

Which means either a slap on the wrist for the employer with a possibility of a year in jail for the HR person not doing due diligence.
(just a quick glance, didn’t have time to read every line)

Confused

April 15th, 2011
1:54 pm

Let me get this straight Jay, you think it is important for hotels, restaurants and farmers to have access to cheap illegal immigrant labor to stay in business because legal workers would be too expensive, but how dare Walmart try to pay its legal employees so little? So cheap labor is good for some, but wrong for others?

Do consider that while Walmart makes a lot of money in general, their 5% profit margin is far below the average for businesses and probably lower than the farms and hotels you are worried about.

Fletch

April 15th, 2011
1:55 pm

Keep in mind that if the illegal populace doesn’t like the law here, there are still 48 more states where they can slide under the radar.

USMC dawg

April 15th, 2011
1:57 pm

Great example:

I noticed six months ago at the CACTUS car wash on Piedmont something really strange.

I could not figure it out until it dawned on me…

They had let go of ALL of the ILLEGAL workers and hired AMERICANS. Unbelievable, I thought.

There were low income (BUT working) blacks and whites washing all of the cars.

Americans WILL fill the voids left when SOME of the ILLEGALS leave the entry level jobs that high school kids, College kids, and others once filled.

thomas

April 15th, 2011
1:57 pm

Finn McCool

April 15th, 2011
1:50 pm

You do understand that the exact same argument is made for the reason to lower taxes on business right?

You know the fear mongering you are attempting with teh businesses will move to other states or prices will go up?

So are you going to advocate for lowering taxes now too based on the same reasons you have laid out above?

WOW #4

April 15th, 2011
1:57 pm

For the record, I’d rather have Hispanics working in those hotels etc than lazy welfare baby mamas who sit on their a$$es and complain about how bad whitey treats them.

Like Vicente Fox famously said: “Mexicans do the work that lazy black people won’t do.”

Now, feel free to call me a racist. LOL

Finn McCool

April 15th, 2011
1:58 pm

When the dust clears and they see how the left hates christianity, they will stop voting for their slave masters in the Dem party

You want them to be as dumb as white people living in trailer parks who vote for Republicans? The illegal immigrants I’ve met aren’t anywhere close to that. But then, their media personalities tell them the truth (George Lopez). Which, sadly, I can’t say for poor whites watching Fox and listening to Hannity.

Logical Dude

April 15th, 2011
1:59 pm

It’s not so clear on punishment for the ones providing illegal documents:
Any person who knowingly and willfully makes a false, fictitious, or fraudulent
201 statement in an affidavit submitted pursuant to this subsection shall be guilty of a
202 violation of Code Section 16-10-20 and, upon conviction, shall be punished as provided
203 in such Code section.
Sheesh, it wants me to go to another Code Section to find more punishments?

Guy Incognito

April 15th, 2011
1:59 pm

Hey kamy kam,

St Ronnie’s Ray Gun works:-))))))))))

“Navy successfully tests prototype ocean-going laser weapon”
From Charley Keyes, CNN Senior National Security Producer
April 15, 2011 12:34 p.m. EDT

Logical Dude

April 15th, 2011
2:01 pm

Whhoop, here’s some good stuff!
236 (a) A violation of this article, other than a violation of Code Section 16-9-121.1 or
237 16-9-122, shall be punishable by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than ten
238 years or a fine not to exceed $100,000.00, or both. Any person who commits such a
239 violation for the second or any subsequent offense shall be punished by imprisonment for
240 not less than three nor more than 15 years, a fine not to exceed $250,000.00, or both.

USMC dawg

April 15th, 2011
2:01 pm

“For 25 years, since St. Ronnie of-the-RayGun’s 1986 amnesty, not one word from silly cons about IAs.”

Kamchak, there are OVER 50 MILLION ILLEGALS in our country now and they are now DEMANDING special rights. You are comparing Apples to elephants.

Reagan allowed approx. 2 million Mexicans citizenship with the idea that the “Illegal” problem would go away, but it backfired and the PARASITES flooded over the border.

It was a mistake then and it would be a MUCH bigger mistake now.

WOW #5

April 15th, 2011
2:01 pm

“You want them to be as dumb as white people living in trailer parks who vote for Republicans? ”

No, they can always be as dumb as black people who live in Section 8 housing and vote Democrat. LOL

“Which, sadly, I can’t say for poor whites watching Fox and listening to Hannity.”

There are a LOT of rich white people who watch Fox as well, Finn.

You are obsessed with Hannity and Fox News.

Chuck Schumer

April 15th, 2011
2:02 pm

Great work, Jay! We appreciate you using our DNC talking points. Extreme is wearing a bit thin, though. We’ll get back to you with a new list.

Del

April 15th, 2011
2:02 pm

Jay, your comment on the topic is filled with a lot of supposition. I seem to recall that you once said that the magnet for illegal immigration was jobs and advocated that the crack down should focus employers. Perhaps I have your commentaries confused with Cynthia Tucker, however, many liberal bloggers on here who champion illegal aliens have pointed their fingers at employers. We have Deal presumably stepping forward and signing a bill that will require employers to follow the law and penalize those that don’t and this bill is being called extreme. Maybe it will open up job opportunities for those here legally by birth, naturalization or Green Card who are currently unemployed.

deegee

April 15th, 2011
2:02 pm

I want the AJC to hold Rep. Matt Ramsey, R-Peachtree City, and Sen. Jack S. Murphy, R-Cumming, and R-Governor Nathan Deal accountable to the people of Georgia for this legislation. One year from now I want to know how many unemployed people found jobs, and how much the State saved in Medicaid. I want to know how much the Dept of Education saved and by how much the economy grew as a result of this law.

I remember 2007 when Sen. Chip Rogers, R-Woodstock handed us SB529, the toughest immigration reform bill in America. It was supposed to save the State $1 billion a year. Instead we have one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation and the State has a budget shortfall of $1 billion. Who is holding these nitwits accountable? Oh, wait a minute. They hate eeeeleeeguls and love the unborn. Why ask “why?”

Bosch

April 15th, 2011
2:03 pm

Does anyone here know what happens if you pay your federal taxes late? Like say a couple days?

WOW #6

April 15th, 2011
2:04 pm

“Does anyone here know what happens if you pay your federal taxes late? Like say a couple days?’

Yeah, you file an extension, Bosch. As a taxpayer, you should already know this.

Guy Incognito

April 15th, 2011
2:04 pm

Bosch,

Tax day isn’t til Mon

Quagmire

April 15th, 2011
2:04 pm

So, businesses can engage in illegal activity as long as something will cost more (or the business will have to figure out a way to operate differently) if it operates legally.
I like where your line of thinking is going regarding the worlds oldest profession. Giggity-giggity!

Bosch

April 15th, 2011
2:08 pm

I know Guy, but say, hypothetically, you aren’t going to have the funds to pay said taxes until around Wednesday or Thursday, what do you do then?

Fletch

April 15th, 2011
2:09 pm

The justification that business will not be able to operate or make a profit unless they are able to employ workers illegally is an interesting concept.

By that reasoning, the next time I get pulled over, I will be sure to inform the officer that without the ability to drive twice the legal speed limit, I will not be able to get to work on time which will cut into my abilty to generate income.

WOW #6

April 15th, 2011
2:09 pm

Looks like the left’s cult leader is falling like a rock. So much for Jay’s rationale about how easy it will be for Obama to win in 2012.

Obama Job Approval at 41%, Tying His Low

Independents’ approval rating down to 35%

PRINCETON, NJ – The latest Gallup Daily tracking three-day average shows 41% of Americans approving of the job Barack Obama is doing as president. That ties his low as president, which he registered three times previously — twice in August 2010 and once in October 2010.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147140/Obama-Job-Approval-Tying-Low.aspx

Jay

April 15th, 2011
2:11 pm

Del, does 15 years in prison for using a false ID to get a job sound extreme?

Does the removal from office, a $10,000 fine and an aggravated misdemeanor charge sound extreme as punishment for a public employee found insufficiently aggressive in enforcing the law?

Just asking.

USMC dawg

April 15th, 2011
2:11 pm

“In fact, HB 87 has the potential to be the single most transformative piece of legislation passed in this state since the civil rights.”Jay Bookman

Jay, the law has Nothing to do with Civil Rights. Are you kidding me?

It is a law put in place to enforce the IMMIGRATION LAWS that have gone UN-enforced by the Federal government and FLAUNTED and broken by the ILLEGAL ALIENS.

How about some HONESTY, Jay?

Peadawg

April 15th, 2011
2:12 pm

Jay, weren’t you saying a couple of weeks ago that the way to crack down on illegal immigration is to go after the employers? So this bill does that and you’re against it? Why is that?

TaxPayer

April 15th, 2011
2:12 pm

If I bring a load of Vidalias up from south Georgia, can I count on the cons to buy them at the new market price. I’m thinking $5.00 per onion to cover labor and fuel and such and I’ll still just barely break even at that.

Jay

April 15th, 2011
2:13 pm

And Del, I have and do support sanctions on employers as part of the solution to this, but only as part of a larger, more comprehensive solution.

Logical Dude

April 15th, 2011
2:13 pm

Does anyone here know what happens if you pay your federal taxes late? Like say a couple days?

shall be punishable by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than ten
238 years or a fine not to exceed $100,000.00, or both. Any person who commits such a
239 violation for the second or any subsequent offense shall be punished by imprisonment for
240 not less than three nor more than 15 years, a fine not to exceed $250,000.00, or both.

Oh, wait. . . no, that’s a different punishment.

You get a penalty, and pay the interest on what you owe. If you get a REFUND, there only the penalty for filing late. You dn’t get any extra interest the money the government owes you.

Paul

April 15th, 2011
2:13 pm

“For some businesses and perhaps even entire industries, those changes may make it difficult to stay profitable, at least in Georgia.”

I smell another corporate tax break coming.

Bosch

April 15th, 2011
2:15 pm

Logical Dude,

Like how much of a penalty? And interest. Never been in this situation before.

Peadawg

April 15th, 2011
2:16 pm

Jay @ 2:11

What would you suggest? A slap on the wrist? This bill goes after businesses, which is what you said needs to be done. Awww, but it’s TOO harsh? Give me a break, Jay.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 15th, 2011
2:16 pm

LOL at Jay Bookman fretting over the profitability of corporations. Precious!

Kamchak

April 15th, 2011
2:16 pm

Kamchak, there are OVER 50 MILLION ILLEGALS in our country now…

Estimates are in the 12-20 million range.

You are comparing Apples to elephants.

No, I;m saying that St. Ronnie-of-the-RayGun exacerbated an already moderate problem into something substantial and you silly cons remained silent.

Now you’re clutching your pearls and falling on your fainting couch about something that your Deliverer did and you want to portray yourself as being on the right side of this issue.

Had you silly cons been speaking out as a group about this issue for 25 years, I could take you seriously.

Now you’re just EXTREMELY late to the party.

USMC dawg

April 15th, 2011
2:17 pm

“The justification that business will not be able to operate or make a profit unless they are able to employ workers illegally is an interesting concept.”

Yeah, by this example, maybe I should break the law and commit larceny against Jay Bookman so that I may OPERATE and make a PROFIT.

(disclaimer: I only use this as an example. I would never commit larceny or any other crime against Jay or anyone else. I am just trying to prove a point)

Left wing management

April 15th, 2011
2:17 pm

To tell you the truth, I didn’t believe they’d pull the trigger. And I’m not sure they believed it either.

I have the same sinking feeling about the debt ceiling showdown that’s coming later this year.

TaxPayer

April 15th, 2011
2:17 pm

Does anyone here know what happens if you pay your federal taxes late? Like say a couple days?

You go straight to jail unless you have been previously e-verified. Do not pass GO and do not collect $200. Sorry Bosch but them’s the rules.

Logical Dude

April 15th, 2011
2:17 pm

I think it’s a percentage of what you owe, or something. I say file a couple days late and see what the government sends back to you.

Or file the extension. :) No penalty there, just the extra time to get your paperwork done. (and possibly pay the interest if you owe)

WOW #8

April 15th, 2011
2:18 pm

““In fact, HB 87 has the potential to be the single most transformative piece of legislation passed in this state since the civil rights.”Jay Bookman”

Yeah, cept them black folks was gettin hosed down in the streets in Selma, Al by a Democrat governor and a Democrat controlled KKK.

Also, illegal aliens don’t have rights because……they’re illegal.

“does 15 years in prison for using a false ID to get a job sound extreme?”

Jay, why don’t you go down to Mexico, enter illegally and see what happens.

Again, cite ONE immigrant bashing comment/action by the GOP, Jay.

“Like how much of a penalty?”

Bosch, why don’t you contact a CPA or your local IRS office and ask them. Is it really that hard?

willie lynch

April 15th, 2011
2:18 pm

USMC dawg

April 15th, 2011
1:49 pm

I’m not saying illegal’s should not have to become citizens but the only “illegal’s” that seem to be talked about are those from Latin America. Anyone who thinks this law is not racial profiling is being disingenuous at the least. A blond haired blue-eyed person from the Czech Republic won’t have their immigration status checked for running a stop sign even though the may be illegal. The law itself is just words, men will implement said laws and that’s where the problems come in.

Jay

April 15th, 2011
2:18 pm

Honesty, Dawg?

OK. I honestly think you need to invest in a reading comprehension class.

The phrase “since the civil rights era” referred both to a point in time — the ’60s — and a comparison of impact. It did not mean in any way that this was a civil rights issue.

Although, speaking honestly, it is in some important ways.

Logical Dude

April 15th, 2011
2:18 pm

I’ve paid my taxes on time the last few years, so the penalty is a bit fuzzy now. :D

John Birch

April 15th, 2011
2:19 pm

It’s a great day to be a Georgian! God bless Nathan Deal and the courageous legislators for taking a stand, for going to their windows and throwing them open and shouting, “we’re mad as hell and we’re not going to take it anymore”.

Jay

April 15th, 2011
2:19 pm

M’ment, re: debt ceiling.

Yes, I know what you mean.

Finn McCool

April 15th, 2011
2:20 pm

“Does anyone here know what happens if you pay your federal taxes late? Like say a couple days?’

They take your left hand first. Then one finger from the right hand until you give in or just bleed to death. That’s how we roll, dog.

TaxPayer

April 15th, 2011
2:20 pm

Anyway, sometimes the best medicine for a Republican is to just let him crash and burn. Let them suffer the consequences of their years of FOXy brainwashing.

NIght Train

April 15th, 2011
2:20 pm

Bosch, File your tax return on time. If you owe money, enclose a check for the full amount owed, just don’t sign the check. In 3-4 weeks you will get a letter from the IRS with your check and a note telling you to sign it and return it to the IRS.

Taxes paid, no fine, no penalty.

Been there — done that

USMC dawg

April 15th, 2011
2:20 pm

“…but only as part of a larger, more comprehensive solution.” Jay Bookman

CODEWORD for AMNESTY! At least be honest, Jay.

You are for AMNESTY!