Collapse of ‘tax-reform’ effort is good news

Legislative leaders, including House Speaker David Ralston, are acting pretty embarrassed by their high-profile failure to pass a tax-reform package.

They ought to be. And they have only made things worse by trying to blame others for a task they themselves mishandled.

Let’s review the history, shall we?

Legislators appoint a blue-ribbon commission of business leaders and economists to craft a tax-reform package. After months of work, the commission issues a final report and makes two important points:

– Its recommendations should be seen as a balanced package and should not be cherry-picked for its most appealing provisions.

– While tax reform is needed, it cannot be justified as an economic development program because Georgia is already one of the lowest-tax, business-friendly states in the country.

Republican leaders — excluding the public, Democrats and members of their own party from the process — then proceed to do exactly what the experts advised against, cherry-picking the commission report of its most appealing provisions and trying to justify it in terms of economic development.

However, once their secretly drafted plan is revealed, it’s greeted with harsh criticism. House Democrats distribute data documenting that the plan will raise taxes for most Georgians with an income under $180,000, and cut taxes for everyone making more than that. Those with incomes of more than $500,000 would get an average tax cut of 16 percent.

Oops! That doesn’t go over very well.

Republicans withdraw the bill and retreat back into double-secret negotiations. They emerge with another version that still raises taxes on most Georgians, but to a lesser degree than the first bill. However, data released by House Democrats reveal that the bill will produce a $220 million loss of revenue at a time when the state budget has already been hacked into ground beef.

Double oops!

Republicans withdraw the bill yet again and retreat back into double-secret negotiations. They emerge with a third version that still raises taxes on most Georgians, but to a still lesser degree than the first two bills, while still cutting state revenue.

By now, only two days are left in the session. Many of their own constituents, including the Tea Party, are now on to the reality that “tax reform” is actually an effort to impose higher taxes on most Georgians on behalf of the exalted few, and they don’t like it. Ralston and other legislative leaders realize don’t have the votes to pass their bill, and rather than see it defeated, they withdraw it.

If that wasn’t bad enough, Ralston and House Majority Leader Larry O’Neal then tried to shift the blame for their failure anywhere but themselves.

For example, they questioned the accuracy and even the honesty of data generated by Georgia State University’s Fiscal Research Center about the impact of various reform proposals, even going so far as to suggest they might seek a less biased data source in the future.

Presumably, that means a source willing to tell them what they want to hear. Because here’s the thing about data: If you rush the writing of complex tax legislation, you’re going to get rushed data.

More importantly, if you stipulate that a proposal is going to be revenue neutral, and that business and the wealthy get a tax cut, you guarantee that taxes for everybody else are going to increase. It doesn’t matter who or how you add it up — you can do it on a computer, a slide rule or a Chinese abacus, it still comes out the same.

In that sense, the tax burden is like a balloon — when you squeeze it at one end, the other end is going to get bigger. And there’s no way around it.

Ralston also took a shot at House Democrats, complaining that “members of the minority party were quick to throw stones” and make it partisan.

If so, that’s a direct result of Ralston’s own exclusionary strategy, in which he and other leaders tried to muscle the bill into law without allowing any outside input or amendments, even from members of their own party. Throwing stones, metaphorically speaking, was the only option Ralston gave them.

His real problem, I suspect, was that they threw those stones so accurately.

368 comments Add your comment

TnGelding

April 15th, 2011
7:15 am

I’ll second that. Taxes are a necessary evil but we don’t have it so bad. I’d like to see an increase in the gasoline tax though and elimination of the ad valorem tax on autos. Let out of state visitors give us a little help like we do them.

In the end the FY2011 budget passed, but the margin was closer. Ryan’s 2012 one is almost as dishonest as Obama’s. What’s wrong with those folks? When are they going to get serious? End the wars, bring the troops home and let the Bush tax code changes expire a premature death. It’s that simple.

Normal

April 15th, 2011
7:19 am

Dang Jay! Couldn’t sleep? Now I need to repost my funnies! It’s my life’s work to make people smile and you ain’t making it easy! :D

Normal

April 15th, 2011
7:02 am
Happy Friday (YEAH!!!) Morning to all y’all. Today’s funnies…Enjoy…

http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2011/04/14/political-pictures-donald-trump-well-done-captain/

and…

http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/04/14/funny-pictures-alice-in-wonderland/

There! Now I’ll read the essay…

TnGelding

April 15th, 2011
7:20 am

…and first it too!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 15th, 2011
7:26 am

But this does not fit my world view that we must cut taxes for corporations and the rich and require those deadbeat poor people who have little money and middle america to pay more in taxes. I have the tea bags and some Koch, where’s my party answers? [snark]

Sensible tax reform should impact all in direct proportion to ability to pay. We have a progressive tax system for a reason. Simplify it.

Stonethrower

April 15th, 2011
7:27 am

Couldn’t wait to throw a dig at the president could you? But hey, these are the folks elected to run the state of Georgia so folks should just bend over and take it!

Granny Godzilla

April 15th, 2011
7:32 am

It appears our Georgia legislators couldn’t reform there way out of a paper bag.

Normal

April 15th, 2011
7:33 am

Good essay Jay. I don’t understand this crop of Republicans for sure. I’m not quite sure why they would want to tax the working man when almost 10% is out of a job. I guess you you where the money is. I sure do wish we had general elections every two years….

Bring back the Eisenhower Republicans, PUHLEEZE!

Mary Elizabeth

April 15th, 2011
7:35 am

So well written and explained, succinctly, to the public.

This view of governing is not likely to change, under this same leadership, in years to come; the only option, in safeguarding “the people’s interest,” is to be a sharp watchdog to coming political plans and tactics, by this leadership.

Joe The Plumber too.

April 15th, 2011
7:36 am

Take it easy on oblowhard, he has a real problem on his hands. While everyone is harping on the economy and deficits and boring matters like that, the little boy behind the big desk has a huge problem to solve. It seems he’s not happy with the phone in the Oval Office, it is not of the latest technology and not fit the empty suit currently wasting space in that hallowed room.

Mick

April 15th, 2011
7:36 am

TaxPayer

April 15th, 2011
7:46 am

It appears our Georgia legislators couldn’t reform their way out of a paper bag.

But it is fun watching them try.

stands for decibels

April 15th, 2011
7:48 am

If so, that’s a direct result of Ralston’s own exclusionary strategy, in which he and other leaders tried to muscle the bill into law without allowing any outside input or amendments, even from members of their own party.

You make a compelling case here, Jay.

Thing is, if I were forced to write this column I couldn’t be bothered complaining about how these guys did it without input from the opposing side or from somewhat rational members of their own side (i.e. “RINOs”).

That’s how they roll, that’s what their base wants, and I’ve no doubt their base will be fine with how this exercise in futility resulted in absolutely nothing.

I’ve also no doubt that their base won’t credit the opposing side with doing the unglamorous work of patiently explaining how and why these proposed “reforms” weren’t going to work.

TaxPayer

April 15th, 2011
7:49 am

A squirrel eating a mushroom is just plain nuts.

Peadawg

April 15th, 2011
7:50 am

” I’d like to see an increase in the gasoline tax” – Oh yeah bonehead, while gas is already $3.60+ a gallon, great idea! :roll:

BTW, good article Jay!

stands for decibels

April 15th, 2011
7:50 am

But it is fun watching them try.

If you want to have some real fun, try finding the criminal penalties for those who employ undocumented immigrants in the newest GA legislative exercise in suck-a-bag-of-dickery. I couldn’t.

Mick

April 15th, 2011
7:51 am

Georgia’s kissin cousin repubs here in florida are on a roll also. Throw in gov. rick “the disaster” scott and it indeed becomes a strange brew. It’s like they govern for themselves, the people are just some inconvenient afterthought. Surely this folly that was injected into our politics now for some thirty years has to come to some end. No, I guess it really can’t because there’s big money keeping it propped up and they are the dragons in the cave, breathing fire and scorthing america..

Finn McCool

April 15th, 2011
7:52 am

Those silly Republicans!

A good quote from Krugman today on the Ryan plan:
Then people who actually understand budget numbers went to work, and it became clear that the proposal wasn’t serious at all. In fact, it was a sick joke. The only real things in it were savage cuts in aid to the needy and the uninsured, huge tax cuts for corporations and the rich, and Medicare privatization. All the alleged cost savings were pure fantasy.

Redneck "Convert (R--and proud of it)

April 15th, 2011
7:53 am

Well, looks like no more Trickle Down this year. There was lots of rich GA folks looking forward to this tax reform. They had dreams of another yacht and maybe a Bentley and another country club membership. Then a bunch of libruls had to go and spoil everything.

To hear our people down at the statehouse tell it, everybody was going to get a Tax Cut and it would be more fairer and the money would just roll in. Then a bunch of spoil sports had to point out that the fellow behind the tree was going to get his taxes raised. And those politicans run from the plan like roaches when the light gets turned on.

Maybe next year. Have a good Friday everybody. I’m out here hauling and getting you ready for another Friday night of boozing, doping, and music swapping. And don’t you dare innerduce politics or else AmVet and Hillbilly will have your hide.

SOUTHERN ATL

April 15th, 2011
7:58 am

Different administration same old Georgia politics…. As long as this state keeps electing politicians that have no desire to benefit the working class, we will see the same type of politics recycled year after year!

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 15th, 2011
7:58 am

I oppose increasing taxes on the poor as that would cut into their ability to purchase the scratch-off lottery tickets that will be paying my kid’s college tuition.

Normal

April 15th, 2011
8:00 am

Mick,
Loved that!

andygrdzki

April 15th, 2011
8:06 am

I wonder if the politicians in either party will ever get it right….. I am really starting to believe there is no middle ground. This is true at both the Federal and State levels…..
I am changing my position on a number of items…. Both parties are really a waste…
As an Independent, more conservative than liberal, I think we should: (a) get out of Iraq and Afghanistan (things will never change), (b) simplify the tax code (there are too many loop holes); (c) if a US company operates offshore, tax them higher; (d) as individuals, we need to go on a one year “buy US only”; (e) restructure the commodities market and end shorting; (f) increase fraud investigations in the entitlement programs (jail time for crooks); (g) restructure corporate tax and dividends .

iRun

April 15th, 2011
8:19 am

My off-topic post, which contains no links or curse words, is in moderation. Jay, I need well wishes and “moral” support! Release my post!!!!!

Dunwoodian

April 15th, 2011
8:20 am

It is so clear to me now.

All those illegal Mexicans on the landscaping crew must be making north of 500k per year.

They obviously don’t deserve a 16% tax cut, (being Catholics and all) so lets kick them out of the state.

stands for decibels

April 15th, 2011
8:26 am

if you stipulate that a proposal is going to be revenue neutral, and that business and the wealthy get a tax cut, you guarantee that taxes for everybody else are going to increase.

But Jay, the tax cut fairies. You forgot them.

They sprinkle moondust in our hair, and golden starlight in our eyes of blue.

USMC dawg

April 15th, 2011
8:26 am

Well the Georgia Legislature got one thing right:

Georgia lawmakers pass illegal immigration crackdown
http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-lawmakers-pass-illegal-909988.html

stands for decibels

April 15th, 2011
8:30 am

Back to my only-slightly-off-topic post @ 7.50 of our legislature’s one big accomplishment in the annals of bad-of-dick sucktology: Of course there are crazy-long jail terms for anyone convicted of actually working at one of those gigs our Captains of Industry provide to undocumented workers. 10 years max for the first offense, 15 years for the second.

But far as I can tell, nothing but tax penalties for the folks who don’t comply with the e-verification. (Again, if I’m wrong about this, someone please correct me, because I’m not claiming any great competency in scanning legislative legalese.)

stands for decibels

April 15th, 2011
8:30 am

Yeah, Dawg, they hate brown folks almost as much as you do.

TnGelding

April 15th, 2011
8:31 am

Peadawg

April 15th, 2011
7:50 am

Bonehead? Thanks for displaying your maturity. What’s another nickel or dime? And gas will go down. Have you checked your ad valorem tax lately? If you have a decent car it would buy at least 100 gallons of gas, even at the higher price.

stands for decibels

April 15th, 2011
8:33 am

sorry Peadawg, my post @ 8.30 was for our Semper Lie, aka USMC Dawg, who yesterday gave us this howler:

there was not ONE Mexican in Atlanta until the 1980’s

Peadawg

April 15th, 2011
8:34 am

“And gas will go down.” – Yup, probably starting in the Fall after it goes up to $4.00+ a gallon in the Summer.

buck@gon

April 15th, 2011
8:35 am

“Democrats and members of their own party from the process — then proceed to do exactly what the experts advised against, cherry-picking the commission report of its most appealing provisions and trying to justify it in terms of economic development.

However, once their secretly drafted plan is revealed, it’s greeted with harsh criticism. House Democrats distribute data documenting that the plan will raise taxes for most Georgians with an income under $180,000, and cut taxes for everyone making more than that. Those with incomes of more than $500,000 would get an average tax cut of 16 percent.

Oops! That doesn’t go over very well.

Republicans withdraw the bill and retreat back into double-secret negotiations.”

Jay,

I find myself agreeing that the essence of your article is essentially correct about republican manuevering to get this bill in place.

If only liberals had the courage to admit that identical monopole behind-the-scenes double-dealing took place to enact Obamacare and is still going on with rule-making bureaucrat- and political-members of the administration engaging in everything from special favors for unions to crony-capitalism with companies, like GE.

Ooops!

Peadawg

April 15th, 2011
8:35 am

As for your “Bonehead? Thanks for displaying your maturity.” comment….what else would you call someone who wants a higher gas tax? Sorry if the truth hurts.

Mick

April 15th, 2011
8:38 am

buck@gon

April 15th, 2011
8:38 am

stands @ 8:30,

Klee-shay-ed Krap.

Finn McCool

April 15th, 2011
8:39 am

buck@gon,
Of course you don’t want to hold your Republican leader’s feet to the fire for their utter failure. Why should one Republican expect another to take responsibility for their actions???

ty webb

April 15th, 2011
8:41 am

enough with the “throwing stones” metaphor, that’s a racist term aimed at our muslim brothers and sisters(well, actually only brothers), and I will not stand for it!

Dave R.

April 15th, 2011
8:43 am

Can’t wait to see the exodus from Atlanta once this session ends.

It’ll look like an escape from the Yerkes Primate Center, and can’t come too soon.

Paul

April 15th, 2011
8:44 am

Ever see one of those Disney movies with Don Knotts and Tim Conway as the bumbling crooks who are so desperately inept it’s actually funny? Kinda reminds me of your lead politicians, Jay. Maybe they watched too many of those movies when they were kids and it was absorbed into their subconscious and is now oozing out?

“Many of their own constituents, including the Tea Party, are now on to the reality that “tax reform” is actually an effort to impose higher taxes on most Georgians on behalf of the exalted few, and they don’t like it.”

If it can happen, in all places, in Georgia, then maybe there’s hope it can also happen on the national level. National Democrats need to examine the Georgia playbook very carefully (sorry ’bout the sports analogy, but ‘Friday Night Lights’ returns tonight for a new season).

Normal

April 15th, 2011
8:45 am

Peadawg,
I paid one mil less than four dollars for gas yesterday for my bike.
Cost me nearly 15.00. That is my family budget for gas per week. My bike has become our family car and we use our truck or car only when we have too. I could raise my budget, but I’d have to give up “family Time” or savings, and I’m not going to sock less away. I guess all the service industry like waiters and such will be facing lay-offs soon, you reckon?

Donovan

April 15th, 2011
8:45 am

My, my, Mr. Bookman! See what happens when tax increases are proposed? Even Democrats don’t like the idea of paying more taxes. God forbid, the untouchable “middle class” would have to pay increased taxes. Now go a step further and try to imagine the upper class being asked by the Obamination group to ante up even more of their money to fix the Obamination fiscal mess? Being that the wealthy pay the lion’s share of taxes in this country, is it fair to demand that they shoulder the burden alone? Hardly!

Granny Godzilla

April 15th, 2011
8:47 am

“the Obamination fiscal mess”

Look! Fiction!

Greg

April 15th, 2011
8:47 am

Not a democrat by any means, but still, anyone defending Ralston and his gang in this is a partisan blinded fool. Well said Jay. I disagree with you on a lot (mainly Washington’s role in governing), but typically I think you are right on when it comes to the state.

stands for decibels

April 15th, 2011
8:51 am

PD, TnG, just FYI:

http://www.api.org/statistics/fueltaxes/upload/Gasoline-Tax-Map.pdf

while raising consumption taxes on any necessities is troublingly regressive to me personally, I don’t see how meeting, say, Florida halfway on gasoline tax would be such a terrible thing overall.

TaxPayer

April 15th, 2011
8:51 am

At least we still have a few Democrats left in the state legislature to help keep the GOP quasi-honest on a few items.

carlosgvv

April 15th, 2011
8:52 am

Jay, as long as the Republicans are in the iron grip of predatory capitalist corporations, you will be writing one article after another on this subject. They have found, for now, a sure way to get elected and re-elected by selling themselves to Big Business in exchange for large cash bribes. If, and when, the electorate finally wakes up this will change. I would not, however, count on this happening any time soon.

stands for decibels

April 15th, 2011
8:52 am

Klee-shay-ed Krap.

feel free to explain why you feel this way, beyond just having a problem with a guy on the internet using some basic shorthand to get to the point.

TnGelding

April 15th, 2011
8:53 am

Peadawg

April 15th, 2011
8:35 am

There are 6,000 nickels or 3,000 dimes in $300. And many people with really nice, new cars pay much more than $300.

Many want a dollar or two more tax on gas to reduce consumption and provide road construction and maintenace funds.

ty webb

April 15th, 2011
8:55 am

stands for decibels,
you are aware that Florida has no individual income tax? You willing to meet half way with that as well?

TnGelding

April 15th, 2011
8:55 am

stands for decibels

April 15th, 2011
8:51 am

Thanks for your input.

mystified

April 15th, 2011
8:55 am

First of all::
“In that sense, the tax burden is like a balloon — when you squeeze it at one end, the other end is going to get bigger. And there’s no way around it.”

This is not a true statement and it has been proven by both Republican and Democratic administrations.

That said……I’m starting to loose confidence in my elected officials. Is it possible for any of them to act for the public good and not the good of their own self interests?

How hard is it to ask them to be fiscally responsible; fair to all citizens, poor, middle class, or rich, and honest?

I work with good people every day who are honest, smart and fair. Where do we get these politicians?

stands for decibels

April 15th, 2011
8:57 am

you are aware that Florida has no individual income tax? You willing to meet half way with that as well?

Florida is also run by a bald Nazi, so no.

stands for decibels

April 15th, 2011
8:58 am

before anyone complains, my post @ 8.57 was not intended to be factual.

Ralston's Dawg Chow

April 15th, 2011
8:58 am

The peoples of this hare fine state has spoken. They elected us and gived us a man date and they says for us to give usselves a tax cut and that is what we will do and I is mighty dispointed to see the Democrats go and spoil it for us and they will pay.

TaxPayer

April 15th, 2011
9:00 am

Would someone give mystified a balloon.

Peadawg

April 15th, 2011
9:00 am

“Many want a dollar or two more tax on gas”

A dollar or two more tax on gas, really? People want $5.00/gallon gas? That’s too funny…you got any facts to back up that there are that many boneheads? I’ll wait….

Bosch

April 15th, 2011
9:01 am

because Georgia is already one of the lowest-tax, business-friendly states in the country

WHAT??? That’s great news! That means our unemployment should be wayyyyy down….oh wait.

ty webb

April 15th, 2011
9:01 am

stands for decibels,
mt point was that consumption taxes work best when Income tax is lowered or cut. You can’t have both without increasing the burden on everyone(especially those that actually pay income taxes). Oh, and I don’t think the “bald nazi”(new civility not withstanding) was the one who did away with the state income tax.

Bosch

April 15th, 2011
9:03 am

Democrats distribute data documenting that the plan will raise taxes for most Georgians with an income under $180,000, and cut taxes for everyone making more than that. Those with incomes of more than $500,000 would get an average tax cut of 16 percent

The GOP in this state are like drug addicts. Sneaking around with their damn tax cuts.

Cletus Turdeau

April 15th, 2011
9:04 am

Ralston and Cagle’s strong arm tactics= Party implosion!

TaxPayer

April 15th, 2011
9:04 am

A higher gas tax should be something that conservatives would jump on. It’s almost as good as a Fair Tax because it applies to just about everyone while only hurting those at the bottom.

Don't Tread

April 15th, 2011
9:05 am

“that’s a direct result of Ralston’s own exclusionary strategy, in which he and other leaders tried to muscle the bill into law without allowing any outside input or amendments”

Looks like he took a page from Pelosi’s playbook, and managed to p!ss the Tea Party off in the process. I’m sure they’ll be running someone against him in the next primary and use this little indiscretion as ammunition.

It’s not good to bite the hand that feeds you.

stands for decibels

April 15th, 2011
9:05 am

mt point was that consumption taxes work best when Income tax is lowered or cut. You can’t have both without increasing the burden on everyone(especially those that actually pay income taxes). Oh, and I don’t think the “bald nazi”(new civility not withstanding) was the one who did away with the state income tax.

ty, I think both of those statements are kinda already-understood positions I’d expect, but I’ll go ahead and acknowledge them.

(To state the obvious, I am a progressive, and support the use of income taxes to fund stuff and I don’t lie awake nights fretting about people who make crap wages not paying their “fair share.”)

Revenue $

April 15th, 2011
9:07 am

The state needs to increase taxes a lot higher on rich people and big corporations making all these profits. The state is broke and needs a lot more money for all their expenses, which are getting higher every year. It’s time for all the rich to start paying a lot more.

mystified

April 15th, 2011
9:07 am

I would very much like a balloon thanks…

But really, can we not expect better behavior from these people? I recently had a conversation based on the belief that the “right” and “left” are so far apart ideologically, that we cannot expect much in the middle ground. That we have become like many third world countries and that elections of new leadership results in a “it’s our turn now” mentality.

marky mark

April 15th, 2011
9:08 am

“Many of their own constituents, including the Tea Party, are now on to the reality that “tax reform” is actually an effort to impose higher taxes on most Georgians on behalf of the exalted few, and they don’t like it.”

When are you guys on the left, including you Jay, going to help us with organizations like the Tea Party to hold both sides’ feet to the fire to get our problems fixed? You can form your own organization and name it anything you like, but for god sakes quit tearing their mission apart. This “in party” rebellion was started because we didnt like GWB’s spending while representing a party that was SUPPOSED to be for smaller government.

Bosch

April 15th, 2011
9:08 am

“Mick,
Loved that!”

Yeah, me too Mick.

They forget that government represents ALL the people — not just the ones that write their campaign checks. AND, you referenced dragons. Cool.

Bosch

April 15th, 2011
9:08 am

“BTW, good article Jay!”

We may get our Peadawg yet. Listen to the wise ones young Padawan.

Paul

April 15th, 2011
9:10 am

Finn 7:52

What I find amazing is Rep Ryan was considered the budget policy wonk – the guy who, because of his committee assignments and interest, was considered the ‘master’ of the budget numbers. Then comes the culmination of his fix for all that ails us, and it’s like watching the rising star in physics beginning his doctoral dissertation with “the universe is, like, a really big place….”

Granny Godzilla

April 15th, 2011
9:10 am

ty webb

April 15th, 2011
9:11 am

stands for decibels,
okay, I must have misinterpreted your earlier post. As to the poor not paying their “fair share”,I don’t look at it that way either. I just see it as a way to give them a chance to be more “patriotic”.

BW

April 15th, 2011
9:12 am

Agreed on all points. How much lower can this government go? You know it’s bad when they have to proceed in the way that they did and they still can’t get ‘er done. Try again next year but be honest about its impacts. We are at a crucial point where we need to fund our infrastructure needs and I’m not talking about building 4 lane highways few use in South Georgia…it’s time to take care of the economic engine of this state so that we remain atop the Southeast with Charlotte still envying our position.

Bosch

April 15th, 2011
9:13 am

“It’ll look like an escape from the Yerkes Primate Center, and can’t come too soon.”

Dave R.,

Just curious, but what do you have against those monkeys? Or chimps, my bad — the Yerkes folks get angry when you call them “monkeys.”

WOW #1

April 15th, 2011
9:13 am

“Ralston also took a shot at House Democrats, complaining that “members of the minority party were quick to throw stones” and make it partisan.”

Sort of like how you blame the GOP for Obama not closing Gitmo.

WOW #2

April 15th, 2011
9:14 am

Off Topic 1

Peggy Noonan, a well respected journalist who works for a well respected newspaper has this to say.

Obama Is Likely to Lose

http://peggynoonan.com/

Left wing management

April 15th, 2011
9:14 am

Uh, Donovan, your post is a bit, shall we say, fact-challenged.

“God forbid, the untouchable “middle class” would have to pay increased taxes. Now go a step further and try to imagine the upper class being asked by the Obamination group to ante up even more of their money to fix the Obamination fiscal mess?”

Ante up “even more” money? The word “even” is used to intensify something that’s already the case. So drop the word “even” and your sentence is then accurate.

“Being that the wealthy pay the lion’s share of taxes in this country, is it fair to demand that they shoulder the burden alone? Hardly!”

Better check your facts there, Donovan. The rich do no such thing. And surely you know that. Don’t you? Or are you just on here deliberately spouting lies, is that it?

Paul

April 15th, 2011
9:16 am

Bosch

[[because Georgia is already one of the lowest-tax, business-friendly states in the country

WHAT??? That’s great news! That means our unemployment should be wayyyyy down….oh wait.]]

Remember that part in The Birdcage when Nathan Lane, speaking of abortion, said something along the lines of “why stop with the baby? Take the mother, too! She’s the one who started it. Let the baby go down with the ship!” and Robin Williams said

“Val: I assure you, Mother is just following a train of thought to a
logical, yet absurd conclusion.”

Eliminate taxes for the rich and corporate taxes and unemployment drops to near zero and we have a constant, upward, economic growth stream, right?

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 15th, 2011
9:16 am

Oh yeah bonehead, while gas is already $3.60+ a gallon, great idea!

I thought you conservatives liked the free market crap. Thanks to speculation, gas is $3.60. The current price hike has nothing to do with supply and demand. It’s pure market speculation that’s driving the price of oil. Don’t fret though, once the speculators have made off with their latest bags of booty, they’ll allow the price to go down for a while. When they need their next fix of free cash, they’ll start exploit something else and use speculation to drive up the price again.

On topic: Somebody needs to tell the legislature that they’re supposed to look out for the people who actually elect them. The “corporate personhoods” do not cast votes regardless of how much they pay for them.

Disgusted

April 15th, 2011
9:17 am

it’s like watching the rising star in physics beginning his doctoral dissertation with “the universe is, like, a really big place….”

Best and most apt simile I’ve ever seen on this blog.

Bosch

April 15th, 2011
9:18 am

“Eliminate taxes for the rich and corporate taxes and unemployment drops to near zero and we have a constant, upward, economic growth stream, right?”

Yeah Paul, it’s been PROVEN even. Oh wait.

:roll:

Soothsayer

April 15th, 2011
9:19 am

Jay, this exercise exemplifies the dilemma facing politicians — how can we benefit our corporate masters while at the same time making it look like we’re doing something for the common folk? The result? A Fustercluck circular firing squad.

getalife

April 15th, 2011
9:20 am

Brewer’s immigration law is coming to Ga.

The gop will end Medicare.

Paul

April 15th, 2011
9:20 am

Morning, Granny Godzilla

Republican governors and legislators (like here in Texas, too) raising the gas tax?

Why do you think that’ll happen? Remember, Republicans want to use the services (roads) but they want someone else to pay for it! :-)

jm

April 15th, 2011
9:20 am

Jay, the tax reform council’s suggestions would’ve raised taxes on the middle class as well. As you said, its a balloon. The same stones would’ve been thrown at the council’s suggestions. Ugh. I’m so sick of this issue. Easier to move to another country.

Got some apps in process in Asia. We’ll see what happens.

stands for decibels

April 15th, 2011
9:21 am

As to the poor not paying their “fair share”,I don’t look at it that way either. I just see it as a way to give them a chance to be more “patriotic”.

Remove the bunny-ear quotes around that last word (I assume it’s a dig at Biden?) and I’m pretty receptive to this rhetoric, actually.

Peadawg

April 15th, 2011
9:22 am

“We may get our Peadawg yet. Listen to the wise ones young Padawan.”

Nah, I’d consider myself more of an Independent these days. Both parties blow donkey balls right now. :)

Bosch

April 15th, 2011
9:22 am

You know what’s funny about this? This plan was SOOOOOO bad that Ralston and his merry band of misfits couldn’t get it through. All they had to do was say, “this is just politican posturing” or something as stupid The few Democrats we have under the Dome is not enough to stop some stupid piece of crap legislation such as this, so that means, there were many GOPers who said, “Wait a minute, this is stupid” –

Bravo to them for standing up to stupid. It’s not something you see of the GOPers here oftentimes.

Did you see that wingnuts? I complemented some of the GOP — take notes.

Bosch

April 15th, 2011
9:23 am

” Both parties blow donkey balls right now”

I like that Peadawg! Can I use that?

WOW #3

April 15th, 2011
9:23 am

Enter your comments here”Earlier this week, over at the Economist, Avent made an equally strong case for raising the gas tax:”

Granny, that link was not a link to the Economist. Do you not know what the Economist is?

“Florida is also run by a bald Nazi, so no.’

Well, that only took two pages for a left winger to play the Nazi card. Guess those Florida Jews don’t see Rick Scott as a Nazi.

“was not intended to be factual.”

Not to worry, no one takes your comments as factual.

“They forget that government represents ALL the people — not just the ones that write their campaign checks.”

Oh, so now you’re talking about Obama?

“A higher gas tax should be something that conservatives would jump on. ”

And why is that?

“It appears our Georgia legislators couldn’t reform there way out of a paper bag.”

It appears that Granny doesn’t know the difference between “there” and “their.” Oh, and Delta is ready when you are, Granny.

“A good quote from Krugman”

Pugman is a hack.

“I oppose increasing taxes on the poor as that would cut into their ability to purchase the scratch-off lottery tickets that will be paying my kid’s college tuition.”

It would also hurt their purchases or malt liquor, menthols and sail phones.

“Yeah, Dawg, they hate brown folks almost as much as you do.”

Guess stands has the ability to see through the internet and peer into someone’s computer to know what race said person is.

Good little liberal

April 15th, 2011
9:25 am

” in which he and other leaders tried to muscle the bill into law without allowing any outside input or amendments,”

Sounds like the way they passed Obama care

Peadawg

April 15th, 2011
9:26 am

“I like that Peadawg! Can I use that?”

Sure. Go ahead and add the words “big hairy” in there before “donkey” as well. :)

Left wing management

April 15th, 2011
9:26 am

Markymark: “When are you guys on the left, including you Jay, going to help us with organizations like the Tea Party to hold both sides’ feet to the fire to get our problems fixed? You can form your own organization and name it anything you like, but for god sakes quit tearing their mission apart. This “in party” rebellion was started because we didnt like GWB’s spending while representing a party that was SUPPOSED to be for smaller government.”

Fair enough, and I agree. The left absolutely needs to infiltrate the Tea Party and drive wedges through the pseudo-alliances carefully fabricated by billion dollar interests like Dick Armey and the Koch brothers who in no way shape or form have the best interests of the rank and file TP member at heart. Take farm and energy subsidies, for example. You’ll look in vain for any effort by the idiot messiah budget guru Paul Ryan’s plan for any cuts to these giveaways, but I’m quite confident that individual TP members would fiercely oppose it to a person.

So I’m all for finding common ground with the TP. It’s just that in order to do that a little ‘creative destruction’ is going to be necessary.

Bosch

April 15th, 2011
9:26 am

“Sounds like the way they passed Obama care”

Except they didn’t — the debate was months long — dont’ you remember the summer of town hall meetings and “Keep the government out of my Medicare” folks?

Yeah, those were good times, good times.

Bosch

April 15th, 2011
9:26 am

Okay Peadawg, done. And I’ll give you credit each time I use it. Deal? :-)

Granny Godzilla

April 15th, 2011
9:28 am

Paul

Morning!

I don’t think it will happen, it makes too much sense for “Republican governors and legislators (like there in Texas, too)”
to even attempt.

Jay

April 15th, 2011
9:31 am

sfd, the version of the immigration bill you’re reading is outdated. The final version puts the e-verify requirements back in for everybody. It has not yet been posted, however, and if things follow the usual post-Sine Die pattern, it won’t be posted until next week.

Normal

April 15th, 2011
9:31 am

Good Morning Granny G,

While I agree with your 0910 in principle, it is hard for me when I am already being out priced in cost versus income. I haven’t had so much of a cost of living raise since 09. If my major investments weren’t already paid for I would be hurting badly.

Paul

April 15th, 2011
9:33 am

Granny

I’ve watched the situation here in Texas with utter amazement. Not enough money to build new roads, let alone maintain them, a governor who can’t open his mouth without saying “no taxes.” What’s he do? Tries to sell off roads taxpayers have already bought and paid for to foreign corporations so they can charge us for driving on them! All the while talking about rugged individualism and paying for what you use and all those sound bites, but when you say “then why don’t you have the people who use the roads pay for it?” all you hear are variations of “tax and spend Socialist!!!!”

And they don’t even see the ridiculous hypocrisy in their own position.

Good little liberal

April 15th, 2011
9:33 am

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

The gas prices is all speculation? So why do you think they are speculating higher prices.

You should educate yourself before you make such claims.

TaxPayer

April 15th, 2011
9:34 am

Wow must not be happy with the postage rate this morning.