The Ryan budget plan, Part III: More trickle-down

In “The Path to Prosperity,” House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan makes it clear that tax increases will not be part of the solution to the nation’s fiscal problems. He intends to address the problem solely through budget cuts, most of them focused on programs affecting the elderly, the sick and the poor. After all, that’s where the money is in the federal budget, especially when you exempt the Pentagon from spending cuts, as Ryan proposes to do.

“The U.S. government is not running sustained deficits because Americans are taxed too little,” the plan states. “The government is running deficits because it spends too much.”

However, that sentiment doesn’t mean that Ryan intends to leave the tax code untouched. Among other things, he proposes to reduce the number of tax brackets from the current six, which would make the income tax flatter and less progressive. He also intends to lower the top tax bracket on individuals and corporations from the current 35 percent to 25 percent.

Inevitably, such changes would have the effect of lowering taxes on corporations and the wealthy, while shifting more of the burden to working and middle-class Americans. When combined with the payroll tax, which Ryan concedes is a surtax on earned income below $106,000, a large number of working class and middle-class Americans would probably end up paying a significantly higher percentage of their income in federal taxes than their wealthier counterparts.

I say “probably” because as far as I can tell, Ryan hasn’t released specifics of his tax reform proposal to the public. He did, however, provide considerable detail to the Heritage Foundation’s Center for Data Analysis to allow it to project the economic impact of the proposed changes. So let’s see what they have to say.

Overall, Heritage projects, the Ryan budget proposal would produce an outcome that frankly would be nothing short of miraculous, including an increase in economic output of $1.5 trillion over the next ten years. That in turn would help drive down the federal deficit considerably.

But how real is it? Unlike projections by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, the Heritage analysis relies on what is called “dynamic scoring.” In other words, it programs its computer models to assume that tax cuts on the wealthy and corporations produce enormous economic growth.

For example, let’s take a look at what dynamic scoring does to the projected unemployment rate. The CBO projects that the unemployment rate next year will average 8.4 percent. The Heritage Foundation, using dynamic scoring, projects that if the Ryan plan passes, unemployment would plummet next year to 6.4 percent.

By 2015, the CBO projects, unemployment will be down to 5.9 percent. Under the Ryan plan, Heritage projects it will fall to a remarkable 4.0 percent, declining still further to 2.8 percent in 2021.

2.8 percent?

Who believes that? Nobody believes that. In fact, those projections are so embarrassingly absurd that Heritage itself has gone back into its study and removed them. They were there in the version I downloaded yesterday; they are gone from the version available today.

In this case, Heritage can make ridiculous claims for the economic benefits of Ryan’s plan — claims that help account for the supposed deficit reduction — without fear of those claims being tested against reality. Nobody believes that the plan will ever be adopted.

Ten years ago, however, the Heritage Foundation’s Center for Data Analysis ran similar projections for President Bush’s plan to cut taxes, using the same computer model it used to analyze Ryan’s plan.

Heritage claimed that if the Bush tax cuts were approved, the economy would grow so quickly that by 2010, the entire federal debt would effectively be eliminated.

Not only that, “The plan would save the entire Social Security surplus and increase personal savings while the federal government accumulated $1.8 trillion in uncommitted funds from FY 2008 to FY 2011, revenue that could be used to reform the Social Security and Medicare systems and reduce the payroll tax,” Heritage claimed.

Well ….

– Jay Bookman

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stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
3:36 pm

They were there in the version I downloaded yesterday; they are gone from the version available today.

yeah, Krugthulu did some pimp-slapping a bit earlier today on this as well.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/memory-hole-alert/

Joe Cool

April 6th, 2011
3:36 pm

Joe Cool

April 6th, 2011
3:37 pm

okay…2nd..lol

Joe Cool

April 6th, 2011
3:39 pm

“He also intends to lower the top tax bracket on individuals and corporations from the current 35 percent to 25 percent.”

Why not drop it to 15, so we can double up on the trickle down!

Normal

April 6th, 2011
3:41 pm

“I guess a bad plan is better than no plan at all”….G. Custer, just before he saw all those angry Indians… :)

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
3:41 pm

Let’s compare his proposal to a real-world budget: household income. It just makes SO much sense…right?…that if you are in deep debt you go to your bos and say “pay me LESS money”

NOT

WOW

April 6th, 2011
3:44 pm

I’m I allowed back on now?

Libertarian

April 6th, 2011
3:44 pm

I don’t have time to read Ryan’s whole proposal but I agree that I don’t understand how you can lower the top tax rate to 25% and have no cuts to defense but still manage to reduce/eliminate the deficit.

Rational

April 6th, 2011
3:47 pm

So, in your opinion, addressed to anyone that wants to put forth a rational and reasoned answer, would raising taxes on those evil rich people do anything to wipe out the deficit? Or would it just slow its growth? Also, lets remember that those evil rich people that you’re wanting to tax more are probably the very people that you work for. Remembering that makes you wonder a few things like if the government takes more of my boss’s money, is he going to take a cut in his salary, or is he going to expect me to, or possibly fire me? Or, if they raise it too much is he going to just decide that it is more beneficial for him to close his company entirely and leave the country, retire, or work for someone else? So, will raising taxes on the rich actually do anything to help the deficit or the country? Or is it just something that people that are envious of the wealthy like to propose as a way to make themselves feel better?

WOW

April 6th, 2011
3:49 pm

“By 2015, the CBO projects, unemployment will be down to 5.9 percent. ”

CBO Can’t Conceive of Any Way’ Economy Can Continue Past 2037

House Budget Chairman Congressman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said President Barack Obama’s budget strategy is to “do nothing, punt, duck, kick the can down the road” while the debt remains on track to eventually hit 800 percent of GDP. Ryan added that the CBO is saying it “can’t conceive of any way” that the economy can continue past 2037 given its current trajectory.

Two conflicting arguments, Jay.

“Heritage can make ridiculous claims for the economic benefits of Ryan’s plan”

How about Obama’s ridiculous claims that he would roll back the Bush Tax Cuts?

Peadawg

April 6th, 2011
3:49 pm

Oh goody!!!!! More Liberal Whine With No Solutions Part III. Love it, Jay! Love it! Are we going to be blessed with a Part IV? Will you keep going on like Scream, Saw, Halloween, and other movies that had too many sequels?

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
3:50 pm

from that Heritage report, linked above, and here:

http://origin.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2001/04/The-Economic-Impact-of-President-Bushs-Tax-Relief-Plan

As Chart 1 shows, over 1.6 million more Americans would be working at the end of FY 2011, compared with the CBO baseline forecast. Moreover, the unemployment rate would average just 4.7 percent instead of 4.9 percent from FY 2002 to FY 2011.

[...]

disposable personal income for an average family of four (adjusted for inflation) would increase by $4,544 (see Chart 2).

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
3:50 pm

“those evil rich people”

when you base your conclusions (which are the basis of your questions) on a false assertion…it negates your whole argument and makes your question unanswerable. Wanna try again?

Peadawg

April 6th, 2011
3:51 pm

Let’s compare his proposal to a real-world budget: household income. It just makes SO much sense…right?…that if you are in deep debt you go to your significant other and say “let’s spend MORE money”

NOT

Fixed your typo, Doggone.

Rational

April 6th, 2011
3:52 pm

Libertarian – lowering taxes on those with higher incomes, which includes a large amount of small business owners in this country, typically produces more wealth for them to spread around. Think about it, they are the ones that are likely to buy that house at the lake or the beach, or remodel their house, or hire that neighbor of yours that is unemployed (I know nothing about whether you have neighbors that are unemployed or not, I’m just using that as an example). So, if he hires one or two people that weren’t working before, while his taxes may have gone down, theirs went up. By the same token, if he decides to remodel his house, the architects and contractors that work on it make more money and the cycle continues and expands. I know that is overly simplified but I think it makes sense, please correct me if I’m wrong..

Libertarian

April 6th, 2011
3:52 pm

Rational

Raising taxes on the rich will not help. Because I believe that no matter how much money we send to Washington they will always spend more than we send.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
3:53 pm

“Fixed your typo, Doggone”

Ultimate fail. Ryan is not proposing to SPEND more money. He is proposing to CUT income.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
3:54 pm

Heritage claimed that if the Bush tax cuts were approved, the economy would grow so quickly that by 2010, the entire federal debt would effectively be eliminated.

Guess that did not work out as well as they hoped…but then again, they can hope that today’ sun means tomorrow we all wake up with yards of moon pies.

Rational

April 6th, 2011
3:54 pm

Ok, remove “evil rich people” (just trying to keep it in context with the way they are typically referred to and portrayed by the people I was addressing the question to) and replace it with “those that earn more.” Make it easier to answer, cause it doesn’t change the question at all.

Granny Godzilla

April 6th, 2011
3:54 pm

TPM is reporting:

“Heritage: Our Wildly Optimistic Budget Analysis May Be a Tad Off”

Ya’ think?

Peadawg

April 6th, 2011
3:55 pm

“He is proposing to CUT income.” – Yup, while CUTTING SPENDING. Unlike Obama who would rather bomb another country. Ultimate fail right back at ya sweety.

Libertarian

April 6th, 2011
3:55 pm

Rational

You don’t have to tell me about small business owners…I am one. And I would love to have my tax rate lowered to 25%. However…all I was saying is that without knowing about other cuts Ryan is proposing, I don’t see how lowering taxes and keeping Defense the same will lower the deficit.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
3:56 pm

“lowering taxes on those with higher incomes, which includes a large amount of small business owners in this country, typically produces more wealth for them to spread around. ”

We have HAD those lower taxes for going on 12 years now. WHERE are those jobs? Last time I looked they WENT AWAY and we have near record unemployment and are still climbing of the worst recession in 70 years.

Yep, tax cuts for the wealthy worked REALLY WELL…didn’t they?

NOT

Peadawg

April 6th, 2011
3:56 pm

“keeping Defense the same will lower the deficit.” – That’s one thing I wish

Peadawg

April 6th, 2011
3:56 pm

BOTH PARTIES would do.

Hit enter too quick….

jt

April 6th, 2011
3:57 pm

If Paul “Medicare Part D TARP baby”Ryan truly HAS exempted the Pentagon from any cuts,

then he has no credibility. Nor does anyone that supports him or his silly plan.
Furthermore, no where in the plan mentions an “opt out” clause, therefore Paul Ryan is a stinking statist with an unhealthy looking pallor with greasy looking hair.(typical politician.)

There is only ONE Paul who stands for liberty…..and has the record to prove it.

Rational

April 6th, 2011
3:57 pm

Libertarian, that is very true. But even if they continued to spend at today’s level, with the $1.66 trillion deficit they are running each fiscal year currently, taxing the people in the top bracket at 100% would only cut the deficit to $1.2 trillion (roughly), and all the people being taxed at 100% would either pay themselves less or quit working (at least in this country) all together.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
3:58 pm

“He is proposing to CUT income.” – Yup, while CUTTING SPENDING”

If you are ALREADY in deep debt, cutting spending AND cutting income is a zero/zero sum game. You don’t be increasing your debt, but neither will you be able to pay it off any faster.

Bosch

April 6th, 2011
4:01 pm

“taxing the people in the top bracket at 100% would only cut the deficit to $1.2 trillion (roughly), and all the people being taxed at 100% would either pay themselves less or quit working (at least in this country) all together.”

This, by someone calling themselves “Rational?”

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
4:01 pm

Doggone — especially when some of the spending cuts are really only transfers of spending to the states,

Rational

April 6th, 2011
4:01 pm

Libertarian, I completely agree. I’m not a small business owner YET, but I’m hoping to be one in the next 10 years or so. I fully intend to be disgustingly wealthy and retire early so that I can enjoy my money with my wife all over the world. But I digress, Ryan’s plan needs more information/details. I think it is a good start, and I also think that defense spending needs to be cut, but it needs more information.

Doggone – I believe if you look back at the details about what caused the recession we’re currently in, tax cuts had absolutely nothing to do with it. It was risky mortgage lending and inflated housing prices. But not the tax cuts, so your argument kinda doesn’t work that well.

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
4:03 pm

I believe if you look back at the details about what caused the recession we’re currently in, tax cuts had absolutely nothing to do with it. It was risky mortgage lending and inflated housing prices.

heh.

Bosch

April 6th, 2011
4:03 pm

” tax cuts had absolutely nothing to do with it. It was risky mortgage lending and inflated housing prices. But not the tax cuts, so your argument kinda doesn’t work that well.”

This, by someone calling themselves “Rational?”

WOW #3

April 6th, 2011
4:03 pm

Hey, look it’s Jimmy Carter!

Obama says little short-term help for gas prices
Obama pushes clean energy, says he can do little to affect gas prices in the short term

Pitching the promise of energy independence, President Barack Obama cautioned Wednesday that it’s going to be tough to transition from America’s oil-dependent economy and acknowledged there’s little he can do to lower gas prices over the short term.

“I’m just going to be honest with you. There’s not much we can do next week or two weeks from now,” the president told workers at a wind turbine plant. It’s a theme Obama’s struck before as he tries to show voters he’s attuned to a top economic concern with gas prices pushing toward $4 a gallon.

Source: Yahoo

Redneck Convert (R---and proud of it)

April 6th, 2011
4:03 pm

Well, I beleive in miracles like turning water into wine. But I was born at night, just not last night.

All I got to say about this Ryan plan is if I was old, sick, and poor, I’d be doing some limbering-up exercises so I could grab my ankles with both hands. And I’d be hoping for a real big jump in Vaseline stock ’cause that would indicate lots of sales.

And if I was selling yachts, Mercedes, Rolls Royce, and huge houses, I’d be getting a jump on looking for alot of things to buy when the money starts rolling in. Prices are bound to go up later, what with all that money going to rich people.

Libertarian

April 6th, 2011
4:03 pm

Doggone

The jobs went away because of the housing market bubble bust. You can argue all day long about who’s fault that is. Jobs also went away because of outsourcing. Companies outsource because of 1. the highest corporate tax rate in the world and 2. Unions 3. insane labor laws like FMLA 4. American workers unwillingness to do certain jobs 5. Americans wanting to buy cheap crap from Wal-Mart instead of paying more for American made goods…taxing the “rich” less did not eliminate jobs.

Rational

April 6th, 2011
4:04 pm

Bosch – obviously that was a bit of an exaggeration because I have to hope and believe that the government would never be so irrational as to think that a 100% tax bracket would be a good thing, but the numbers back me up. I can’t remember the exact figure, but taxing the people that are in the 35% tax bracket now at 100% would only increase government by a little over $400 billion. And I don’t think anyone would argue that if you take people’s incentive to work away from them that they will quit working.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
4:04 pm

“especially when some of the spending cuts are really only transfers of spending to the states”

Yes, that too. I always come to these discussions from the point of view that – ultimately – no matter how you sugarcoat it, it’s the retail buyer who pays the taxes in the end. So moving a tax from one place to another is not “cutting” anything, because – AS a retail consumer – I still have to pay my share of it. It just goes into a different pocket.

Paul Ryan Monster

April 6th, 2011
4:04 pm

Gobble gobble.

Moderate Line

April 6th, 2011
4:05 pm

You have to be a “believer”. My biggest problem with both parties is they are not honest with the voters. The Republicans typically cut taxes without cutting spending and the Democrats create programs without increasing taxes which is why we have these deficits. The biggest problem is medicare which will become bigger and bigger if no one does anything about it.
Consider an average-wage two-earner couple together earning $89,000 a year. Upon retiring in 2011, they would have paid $114,000 in Medicare payroll taxes during their careers. But they can expect to receive medical services – including prescriptions and hospital care – worth $355,000, or about three times what they put in.

The same hypothetical couple retiring in 2011 will have paid $614,000 in Social Security taxes, and can expect to collect $555,000 in benefits. They will have paid about 10 percent more into the system than they are likely to get back.

A single woman who retired in 1980, after earning average wages throughout her career, could expect to receive medical care worth about $74,800 over the rest of her lifetime. A comparable woman retiring in 2010 can expect services worth $181,000. Those numbers are in 2010 dollars, adjusted for inflation so they can be compared directly.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/02/AR2011010203213.html

Rational

April 6th, 2011
4:06 pm

Bosch – you really want to argue that the Bush era tax cuts put us into the recession?

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
4:06 pm

Are those guys at the Heritage Foundation the same ones using their computer analyses to tell us that global warming is not a problem. Well, the Heritage Foundation is just another tentacle of the Koch empire so how could one expect anything else from them.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
4:06 pm

“tax cuts had absolutely nothing to do with it”

And I didn’t say they did. I’m addressing the argument that tax cuts at the upper levels create jobs. If that were true, the economic meltdown would not have cause FEWER jobs, because “lower taxes create jobs”

They don’t

Bosch

April 6th, 2011
4:07 pm

“Bosch – you really want to argue that the Bush era tax cuts put us into the recession?”

Assume much?

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
4:07 pm

“In “The Path to Prosperity,” House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan makes it clear that tax increases will not be part of the solution to the nation’s fiscal problems.”

Maybe the Democrats shouldn’t have extended the Bush tax cuts if they really wanted tax increases.

Jay

April 6th, 2011
4:09 pm

Amvet, be the change you want to see. “Cretins” gets us nowhere, your own emotional satisfaction aside.

Rational

April 6th, 2011
4:10 pm

If the economy were stable right now, I fully believe that the jobs would be there. So many people rely, or have relied in the past decade or two, on the construction and housing market for their jobs. If the housing market is almost completely gone, where do those people work? Lower taxes alone might not create all the jobs we need created, but raising the taxes would go along way towards destroying the gains we have begun making recently.

jm

April 6th, 2011
4:10 pm

Jay, all economists agree that higher taxes lead to lower economic growth, and lower taxes lead to higher economic growth. Also summed up in the Debt to GDP ratio.

Apparently liberals haven’t gotten the memo.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
4:11 pm

“And I don’t think anyone would argue that if you take people’s incentive to work away from them that they will quit working”

Did they quit working in the ’50’s when the highest tax bracket was (I think this is correct) 90%?

The saying “a rising tide raises all boats” is correct. The problem is, that the tide is not IN THE BOATS, and we have been busy over the last 30 years or so putting more and more water in the biggest boats and that has LOWERED the tide for everyone BUT those in the biggest boats.

Tides come from the bottom up, not the top down.

Rational

April 6th, 2011
4:11 pm

Bosch – no, just responding to your criticism of my earlier comment.

Zusmann

April 6th, 2011
4:12 pm

Is there anyone here — Republican, Democrat, liberal, conservative, moderate, Libertarian, Green Party, Tea Party — that honestly believes the money allocated for defense is spent so perfectly and efficiently that the defense budget should be exempt from budget cuts?

jm

April 6th, 2011
4:12 pm

Doggone 4:11 – in the 50’s the only reasonable place to do business was the US. Not so anymore. Traveled outside your home, or the US lately?

Moderate Line

April 6th, 2011
4:13 pm

I am going to give credit to Ryan. At least he is being honest about the current state of affairs. He is showing a budget which does exactly what the Republicans want. 1) He is not raising taxes and he is not cutting defense. Whether you agree with the plan or not where is the Democratic plan? Other than eventually ridding ourselves of Bush tax cuts what do we have? How are they going to rid ourselves of the deficit?

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
4:14 pm

Liberals are SOOOOOOOOOOO easily duped. Democrats extend the Bush tax cuts all by themselves, then feign outrage that Republicans (gasp!) aren’t planning to raise taxes. And their voters buy it…unbelievable!!!!

jm

April 6th, 2011
4:14 pm

Zusmann – the Ryan plan cuts defense spending versus Obama’s plan by $1 Trillion over 10 years. What was that?

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
4:14 pm

“Lower taxes alone might not create all the jobs we need created, but raising the taxes would go along way towards destroying the gains we have begun making recently.”

Not neccessarily. The money would not just disappear. It would be spent back into the economy by the government. Keep this in mind: government will step in when the private sector fails to

If the private sector was creating jobs, government wouldn’t have to. The private sector is sitting on record profits right now, and NOT creating jobs. They won’t, government will have to.

Jimmy62

April 6th, 2011
4:14 pm

Ryan’s plan kinda sucks, but it’s better than the Democrats plan, which consists of… nothing?

Rational

April 6th, 2011
4:14 pm

Doggone – to be honest, I wasn’t around in the 50s, and neither were my parents, so I’m going to have to take your word for it. I’m just not seeing how lowering taxes on people making – just to throw a number out there – $30,000 a year will help spur job growth. I’m not saying it shouldn’t be done, I just don’t see how it helps job growth. What jobs are they creating?

Del

April 6th, 2011
4:14 pm

Diverting attention from the party of irresponsibility won’t change anything because the fact is Democrats can’t even agree among themselves what to counteroffer the Republican leadership, so as to prevent a government shutdown. Demagoguery by saying that the elderly, sick and poor will suffer under Ryan’s budget plan won’t work because it’s pure bunk. Jay isn’t faring too well on these Ryan attacks.

jconservative

April 6th, 2011
4:14 pm

Ryan is dead wrong when he leaves Defense out of the equation. Defense is the first thing that needs to be righted. The entitlements are not so critical that they will fail tomorrow. Defense is critical today.

We need to re-examine the role of the US in the world. Is the US to always be the World’s Nanny? Or is it time for the US to allow other countries to take responsibility for their own welfare? Has the world become so dependent on US Welfare that it no longer even pretends to take care of itself?

We need to change “Welfare to the World” as we know it. It needs to end. Today!

If the Arab League wants to protect fellow Muslims in Libya, let the Arab League send in planes, tanks and troops. If Europe wants to expand its welfare state to Libya, let them do it. But leave the US out of it.

We are spending over $2 Billion a week in Afghanistan. Trying to build a nation for people who have not had a nation in 5000 years and apparently would prefer not to have one today. But the Welfare King known as the US insist that we be allowed to create a nation for them.

Gimme a break!

jm

April 6th, 2011
4:15 pm

Moderate Line – the Dem plan, at best, is status quo. So much for the party of change.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
4:15 pm

The numbers stand in stark contrast to analysis from the independent Congressional Budget Office, the gold standard used by both parties to determine the costs of legislation, which shows an increase in the deficit’s share of the economy in the plan’s first decade thanks to its massive tax cuts and then much tougher financial burdens for seniors in future decades as their health care benefits dwindle.

“CBO is what they use on the budget side — as a matter of procedure, any numbers from the Heritage Foundation or anybody else are essentially worthless,” Bruce Bartlett, a former Treasury official under President George H.W. Bush, said in an interview. “You can assert whatever you want to assert, but you can always find some half-baked tax think tank that will make up any number you feel like.”

“The idea he’d go to Heritage for that kind of support indicates he didn’t like what the CBO was going to tell him,” Stan Collender, a former budget aide for both the House and Senate, told TPM. “This is the same guy who said his budget has no gimmicks in it turning to the rosiest scenario he could get.”

Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, pointed to the projections in the Ryan plan that unemployment would decline by 2% in 2012 as fishy even on their own terms.

“I think they just misprogrammed it,” he told TPM. “Note that the unemployment rate falls by 2.1 percentage points relative to the baseline in 2012 even though they only created an extra 900,000 jobs. That doesn’t make any sense.”

By 2021, unemployment would hit 2.8% under their projection, well below the 5% – 6% range that the Federal Reserve considers the maximum desirable rate achievable without dangerous inflation.

The Heritage analysis bases its numbers on a “dynamic” model that it says takes into account the explosive growth unleashed by tax cuts. As a number of commentators have noted, it’s the same approach that led them to conclude the Bush tax cuts would reduce the deficit and create millions of new jobs — instead they exploded the deficit and unemployment worsened, eventually skyrocketing.

But the model they use, which they attribute to analyst IHS Global Insight, appears to be out there even according to its creators. Nigel Gault, the chief economist for Global Insight told the National Journal’s Tim Fernholz that he has no idea how Heritage came up with their conclusions.
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From TPM article.

jt

April 6th, 2011
4:15 pm

I guess AmVet is still having problems with his new found Neo-conness.

Bookman seems to be coping well with being a neo-con.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
4:15 pm

“Is there anyone here — Republican, Democrat, liberal, conservative, moderate, Libertarian, Green Party, Tea Party — that honestly believes the money allocated for defense is spent so perfectly and efficiently that the defense budget should be exempt from budget cuts?”

I don’t see how you can cut it when you’re involved in three wars (two of which Obama vowed to get us out of, the other he vowed not to enter into) but maybe I’m missing something.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
4:15 pm

“all economists agree ”

All? Care to provide any proof of that?

jm

April 6th, 2011
4:16 pm

jconservative – Ryan slashes military spending dude.

Bosch

April 6th, 2011
4:16 pm

“So many people rely, or have relied in the past decade or two, on the construction and housing market for their jobs. If the housing market is almost completely gone, where do those people work? Lower taxes alone might not create all the jobs we need created, but raising the taxes would go along way towards destroying the gains we have begun making recently.”

Now, that’s a little more rational. :-)

I would argue that there is no one single magic bullet. As with most complex issues such as our economy, it is going to take some of everything.

As far as jobs, I’d say that just as many people who relied on “housing” for their income — the same amount if not more also relied on products that weren’t real or tangible, such as some of the magical voodoo Wall Street products that was basically like the game hot potato — the ones with the potatoes made tons of cash and the taxpayer was left without one and had to pay the price for this.

jm

April 6th, 2011
4:16 pm

Doggone 4:15 – go read an Econ 101 textbook.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
4:16 pm

” I’m just not seeing how lowering taxes on people making – just to throw a number out there – $30,000 a year will help spur job growth.”

People making $30K don’t pay federal income taxes. How would you go about lowering their taxes?

Jay

April 6th, 2011
4:17 pm

No, jm, they do not.

And economic growth is not the be-all and end-all of human ambition and responsibility.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
4:17 pm

Off-Topic: It appears that Prosser has lost the race for Wis Sup Ct in an election that he was the hands down favorite only a few weeks ago….

The backlash to the basklash is in progress.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
4:17 pm

“Doggone 4:15 – go read an Econ 101 textbook.”

Economics is pretty deep. It’s for “Jeopardy” people. Doggone is more of a “Wheel of Fortune” person.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
4:18 pm

“And economic growth is not the be-all and end-all of human ambition and responsibility.”

If you want to maintain social spending at current levels, it better be.

Bosch

April 6th, 2011
4:19 pm

“What jobs are they creating?”

Oooooooo, Doggone, can I answer that? Because it’s something you and I agree on…..they create jobs by buying stuff. Demand.

jm

April 6th, 2011
4:19 pm

Jay 4:17 – what the laffer’s and stiglitz’s disagree about is how much tax revenue is produced by lower tax rates. That is legitimately up for debate, although, as you have pointed out and I have agreed with, lower taxes do not produce higher tax revenue (in our current tax range).

That said, LOWER TAXES PRODUCE HIGHER GROWTH. Of course, one does have to assume the government doesn’t spend itself into oblivion, such as it is doing now….

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
4:19 pm

“in the 50’s the only reasonable place to do business was the US. Not so anymore”

No argument there…but keep this in mind also: by exporting jobs, yes, we have hurt our buying base here…but we have also helped increase the buying base overseas. It won’t take long for THOSE workers to want to make enough money to buy the things they and others are making. That means better wages. And as their living standards get better they will beging to want better benefits and job security.

What goes around comes around. It might be sooner than anyone realizes before businesses start seeing that it’s cheaper to produce their goods as close to their buying base as possible, which means jobs coming BACK here. I’ve already heard a report or two on the news about businesses questioning whether they really ARE saving much money by shipping raw materials overseas only to have re-import them as finished goods.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
4:20 pm

Has AmVet been a bad boy???

tick…tick…tick

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
4:22 pm

“Heritage claimed that if the Bush tax cuts were approved, the economy would grow so quickly that by 2010, the entire federal debt would effectively be eliminated. ”

Little did Heritage know that they were dealing with a bunch of spend-craxed looney-tunes in the form of Congress.

Rational

April 6th, 2011
4:22 pm

I don’t agree that the taxpayer should have had to pay for the mistakes of those on Wall Street. Or in Detroit. If people wanted to buy a GM, then GM wouldn’t of had to be bailed out by the government. Same goes with Chrysler. But, I was generally just using housing as an example. I am one of those people that relies on housing for their income (which could be a reason I have so much time to spend on here some days), but have managed to scrape by for the last three years. I haven’t gotten a raise, so I’ve been taking side jobs when I can find them, and living on what feels like less even though it isn’t. It is just a matter of living within my means.

If the government can’t do this at the levels we are currently being taxed at, does anyone at all believe they’ll be able to do do it if we raise the taxes? They’ll spend more, like they always do. Lets go back to the Andrew Jackson model for balancing the government budget. If you can’t make ends meet with the revenue you’re bringing in – have a yard sale to bring in more revenue. Don’t go to the people who are already paying you and say “well, see I can’t seem to not spend more than you give me, so you’re going to have to give me more.”

WOW #4

April 6th, 2011
4:23 pm

“From TPM article.”

I love it when left wingers post left wing columns and expect people to believe it.

“The backlash to the basklash is in progress.”

Cool, WI will go bankrupt and companies will come south! WOO HOO!!!!! THE SOUTH WILL RISE!

OFF TOPIC #2

To think, this ambulance chaser could have been VP. Stay classy, Democrats!

‘I’d kill myself first!’ John Edwards ’suicidal’ over facing jail, claim pals

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1374070/John-Edwards-suicidal-facing-jail-claim-pals.html#ixzz1ImCXaFan

Get Real

April 6th, 2011
4:23 pm

The Jay Bookman Column

More Liberal Bull$hit Spin

jm

April 6th, 2011
4:23 pm

Jay, and
“And economic growth is not the be-all and end-all of human ambition and responsibility.”

On one level I agree. On another, I say, go ask Mr. Caveman whether he prefers our world or his…. easy answer.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
4:24 pm

“I’m just not seeing how lowering taxes on people making – just to throw a number out there – $30,000 a year will help spur job growth. I’m not saying it shouldn’t be done, I just don’t see how it helps job growth. What jobs are they creating?”

Go from this basis: that the lower on the economic scale you are, the more of your money you actually spend. The higher you are, the less you have to spend. So if you lower taxes on those below, say $100,000 (inflation you know) by $100 and (just to throw out a number) you therfore give a million people an extra $100 – you are increasing the economy by 100 million dollars.

If you give 400 rich people a tax cut of $100,000 and they actually DO spend it…you are increasiing the economy by 4 million dollars. Which do YOU think has a bigger effect?

Companies don’t hire people they don’t need. Increase their customers through the door and you will give them a reason to hire more, which helps to increase the customers coming through their doors. So which would YOU prefer to see? A million people with more to spend, or 400?

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
4:25 pm

Paul Ryan: “The U.S. government is not running sustained deficits because Americans are taxed too little ”

Classic right wing trope. Positing a mythical entity of a nation (”Americans”) while simultaneously repressing the notion of society. As though “Americans” forms a single, coherent group, with working class people and Wall St hedge fund managers all lumped in together, who collectively are ‘taxed too much’.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
4:26 pm

“go read an Econ 101 textbook”

why, so I can be one of the so-called “experts” that got us INTO this mess? No thanks.

Del

April 6th, 2011
4:26 pm

Keep, I don’t know how you can call the election at this point as it’s still to close. You can be certain that there will be a recount either way and I’ll bet voter fraud will be rampant.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
4:27 pm

“That said, LOWER TAXES PRODUCE HIGHER GROWTH”

We have a recent economic crash to counter that argument

Bosch

April 6th, 2011
4:28 pm

Rational,

“If the government can’t do this at the levels we are currently being taxed at, does anyone at all believe they’ll be able to do do it if we raise the taxes?

To me, it really comes down to this, we are going to have to do both, but as to how much, well, that’s the blurred line now isn’t it?

As to the bailouts, in theory, I think it’s rational to just say, let these businesses fail, I certainly was in that camp at first. As I thought more about it though, the amount of people you are talking about who would lose their job — that takes alot of demand and spending power out of the economy and those people would get unemployment, food stamps, etc. to survive, so you have to look at the cost of both and see which is the better solution.

Another example in the cutting spending mantra is that to do so, most of what that means, is cutting federal jobs. That’s people who won’t be working, therefore, none of their money will go into the economy, except what they get for a while on unemployment (which will be less). In our consumption based economy, less demand (due to lowered money going into the economy) is not a good thing.

But I’m no economist, nor do I play one on TV.

jm

April 6th, 2011
4:30 pm

Doggone 4:27 – there are not two versions of the universe in which to test “high tax bush era” versus “low tax bush era” Doggone. That said, economic theory has been validated to show lower tax, lower government spending economies thrive better than the inverse.

I’ll be eagerly awaiting your claim that its just a theory. Just like natural selection is a theory.

Rational

April 6th, 2011
4:31 pm

Doggone – you actually make sense, but I still don’t think that lowering the higher brackets is a bad thing. But, lets say those million people with that extra $100 put it into the bank and leave it. I know that we’re both just being hypothetical but how much extra buying power does that $100 really give someone? Are they going to go out and buy that new vacation home? Or that mansion in Buckhead? Or are they going to be more likely to save it or buy an extra meal or two at a decent restaurant?

Harry – I was just using $30,000 as an example. I could have said anything $45,000, $100,000 – whatever, but I used $30,000 to get my point across.

Bosch

April 6th, 2011
4:31 pm

“economic theory has been validated to show lower tax, lower government spending economies thrive better than the inverse. ”

So, jm, in which universe did that happen?

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
4:32 pm

““all economists agree ”

“All? Care to provide any proof of that?”

Sure…as soon as you provide proof that ALL climatologists agree…

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
4:32 pm

“Keep, I don’t know how you can call the election at this point as it’s still to close. You can be certain that there will be a recount either way and I’ll bet voter fraud will be rampant.”

Shhhhh, Del! We all know that the “machine” will come up with some more dead people’s votes. . .

It’s the only way they can win close elections.

Tundra Dude

April 6th, 2011
4:32 pm

The Ryan budget plan, Part III: More trickle-down

What uDDer nonsense! What is Heritage, …a Disneyland for conservatives…??

This is the garbage you get when a good corporate toady seeks “analysis” from a corporate-sponsored “think” tank.

Even former Republican staffers are critical of this plan:

The Magical Economy, Brought to You by Paul Ryan and the Heritage Foundation

Jake Berliner

(snipped)
In the long term, Ryan offers no strategy to make America more competitive, increase employment, or make people’s lives better. Rather, he offers reduced benefits, namely to the elderly, the poor, and the handicapped, and cuts taxes for the wealthy.

Taken together, it’s clear that the GOP isn’t focused on the real problems facing the country.
At a time when Americans want more jobs and more growth, the GOP strategy – if you believe the analyses of George W. Bush’s Federal Reserve Chair, a McCain economic adviser, and Goldman Sachs – is to create less.

And, if you believe the analysis of Bush’s Council of Economic Advisers Chair, their deficit reduction strategy is deeply flawed, too. Unless, of course, you believe the Heritage Foundation’s analysis that Paul Ryan’s budget is made of magic.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
4:32 pm

The only question is, who is Korman playing?

Ronnie? Georgie? Ryan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoM-ZC7uNnc

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
4:33 pm

“said, economic theory has been validated to show lower tax, lower government spending economies thrive better than the inverse. ”

Care to provide any proof of that? See, I won’t take just YOUR word for it. And I wouldn’t argue that in a normal economy that could very well be true, but these are NOT normal economic times and what works when things are humming along just fine, won’t work whe the tires are flat and the engine dead.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
4:33 pm

“It’s the only way they can win close elections.”

Even if they steal this election, the issue will go to federal court, maybe even the Supreme Court. Libs are grasping at straws…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
4:33 pm

voter fraud rampant? Do show us where in the past 10 years voter fraud has been rampant….where are the thousands of convictions? Here’s a hint….check the DOJ cases

You may not understand how someone can “call the election.” However the counties know how to count their votes (without numbering each) and they were tallied….here’s your link. http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/119308059.html

As for recount…I am sure there will be and without the whining and the false allegations made in Minn.

Bosch

April 6th, 2011
4:34 pm

” Or are they going to be more likely to save it or buy an extra meal or two at a decent restaurant?”

I’ve always thought that wage stagnation and the amount of debt that people are in is one of the major big bad factors of our economy.

Chances are, they are going to take that $100 and pay a credit card bill with it. In my opinion, most people have been supplementing their stagnant income with credit cards and the rooster has come home to roost.

Libertarian

April 6th, 2011
4:34 pm

jconservative-could not agree more with your 4:14.

We’ve got jm saying the Ryan plan slashes defense but Jay says “the pentagon is exempt”—which is it?

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
4:36 pm

Thirty straight years of the fiscally irresponsible trying to, and generally succeeding, in destroying the working American middle class.

And the answer? MORE of the exact same!

As the modern American corporatocracy rolls merrily along…

Bosch

April 6th, 2011
4:36 pm

“jconservative-could not agree more with your 4:14.”

That’s because he/she is smart — he/she is always right on in the “Bosch World of what is Right On”

Just saying.

Rational

April 6th, 2011
4:37 pm

Bosch, you make a good point. However, I would counter that the services provided by the government that are likely to be cut, would probably then have to be taken care of at the private sector level, and those people with experience would be able to find work in that manner. Now, I recognize this wouldn’t take care of all of those people, but it is a start. I personally don’t care what they cut, just leave my taxes alone and balance the budget.

As far as the bailouts are concerned, I believe that if left alone, the companies would have been split up or swallowed by other companies and yes, some would have lost their jobs, but we wouldn’t have ended up with the government owning a controlling stake in so many companies, especially ones it had no business of dealing with in the first place.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
4:37 pm

“Are they going to go out and buy that new vacation home? Or that mansion in Buckhead? Or are they going to be more likely to save it or buy an extra meal or two at a decent restaurant”

Your 2 questions are at odds with each other. First of all, even if they save it, that’s money available to be borrowed by someone else who WILL spend it. It still circulates through the economy.

As for buying a meal or two – that’s SPENDING the money, which then circulates through the economy.

One rich person buying a mansion in Buckhead has only a limited, local effect that soon ends. A million people spread out over the country with a 100 milllion burning a hole in their pockets has a much wider effect.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
4:37 pm

“Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
4:26 pm

“go read an Econ 101 textbook”

“why, so I can be one of the so-called “experts” that got us INTO this mess?”

No, so you don’t bore the rest of us with uneducated opinions.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
4:38 pm

“Thirty straight years of the fiscally irresponsible trying to, and generally succeeding, in destroying the working American middle class.”

Oh look…there goes another red herring swimming by…

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
4:39 pm

“Do show us where in the past 10 years voter fraud has been rampant”

Any precinct in Chicago, NYC or Boston.

You know – machine towns.

Del

April 6th, 2011
4:39 pm

Sorry but you good folks on the left really don’t have much to say until your party of irresponsibility comes up with a budget plan of their own. Throwing stones at Ryan or the Heritage Foundation isn’t going to win you this argument in the real world you’ll need a competing plan.

larry

April 6th, 2011
4:40 pm

HEADLINE: Georgia’s Tax Reform could cost 220 million or more…………..

For the life of me , i cant understand why i would want to trust any Repub with money.

Especially since they have been in office for every recession this country has had with the exception of two.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
4:40 pm

“would probably then have to be taken care of at the private sector level, and those people with experience would be able to find work in that manner. ”

but WILL the private sector take care of them? Remember, government steps in where the private sector won’t. Just for an example: check into why the government has to guarantee loans for nuclear reactors – here’s a clue: insurance companies won’t touch them with a 10 foot pole

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
4:41 pm

Dave R…..just because you say it is so does not make it true…where are the convictions? Where are the cases (even thouse without convictions)? Where are the arrests?

Rational

April 6th, 2011
4:41 pm

Bosch – you make an excellent point with the credit card supplementing the income. I made that mistake when I was in college…now I’m digging myself out. But the end is in site.

jm

April 6th, 2011
4:42 pm

Libertarian. Ryan cuts spending (not quite a Trillion more like $700 or $800 B) compared to Obama.

See chart halfway down page.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703806304576244522761581288.html?mod=WSJ_WSJ_US_News_3

jm

April 6th, 2011
4:43 pm

(military spending)

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
4:43 pm

There is only now a very tiny nascence by the Party of Permanent War to the sheer folly of leaving the Defense Budget out of the equation.

But given, Ryan’s brand new 1980s “plan”, why would doing something truly significant and courageous, factor into it anyway?

These reactionary Republicans remind of when the USSR had their The Five-Year Plans for the National Economy of the Soviet Union…

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
4:43 pm

“No, so you don’t bore the rest of us with uneducated opinions”

I’m so sorry to hear you scroll bar and mouse wheel are both broken. Sound like you could really use a computer upgrade. Modern computers are quite a good bargain these days. Why not help stimulate the economy by going out and buying one?

Bosch

April 6th, 2011
4:43 pm

Rational @ 4:37 –

I agree with that mostly, but there are some services that the government provides better than the private world. I know, I know “Boooooooooooooo” from the right, but it’s true — at least in what I think to be real.

In my opinion, that’s where many people err in judgement. They think that everything can be done by the private world, and that’s simply not so (again, in my opinion) because they wrongfully think that the government and businesses are the same thing when actually they are polar opposites of each other.

The government is the people — all the people — even all the people we don’t like and the government must represent all of them — even the ones we don’t like. Yes, even those. Businesses don’t have to do that — they are completey profit based and can pick their own customers, based on their own business models, etc. The government can’t do that, or at least, we as a society have decided we don’t like to see people starve in the streets and such.

So anywho……..

Rational

April 6th, 2011
4:44 pm

If government would get out of the way of the rates, would insurance companies find it profitable to insure the reactors? Just like with health insurance, if the government got out of the way, I have a feeling insurance companies could take care of stuff themselves.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
4:44 pm

Hey AmVet, I’m middle class, and they didn’t destroy me. Am I just smarter than most?

jm

April 6th, 2011
4:44 pm

Del 4:39 – amen.

jm

April 6th, 2011
4:45 pm

Jay will do cartwheels. Beck is going to leave Fox (mostly)
see politico

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
4:46 pm

“If government would get out of the way of the rates, would insurance companies find it profitable to insure the reactors?”

Got any proof that government is in the way if insurance rates on nuclear reactors?

Del

April 6th, 2011
4:47 pm

Dave R, I think that keep, may be doing a little bit of dodo in one hand, while wishing in the other and when he rubs his hands together he may not like seeing what’s all over his wishes. At any rate it’s too close to call but we’ll see.

Rational

April 6th, 2011
4:47 pm

Well, its been fun, but I must go sit in traffic to start my second job. Have fun. I’ve enjoyed debating people that are actually providing counter points to my arguments instead of name calling/dismissing my opinions because they don’t match theirs or because I’m a “kid.”

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
4:47 pm

“There is only now a very tiny nascence by the Party of Permanent War to the sheer folly of leaving the Defense Budget out of the equation.”

By “Party of Permanent War” I assume you mean the Democrats? Because, 26 months into his presidency, surely the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are Obama’s wars, as is the one he jumped into in Libya?

Bosch

April 6th, 2011
4:47 pm

“Got any proof that government is in the way if insurance rates on nuclear reactors?”

Or health insurance?

jm

April 6th, 2011
4:48 pm

I will say moving the “goal” from $33B to $40B is kind of bogus, but I think that’s what TPers said Boehner had to get. C’est la vie. Seal the deal, let’s get on to 2012.

Jay

April 6th, 2011
4:48 pm

On defense spending:

The Ryan budget incorporates the same Pentagon spending levels now projected by the administration. It accepts the cuts already identified by Obama and Gates in the next fiscal year, but proposes no other ones.

Go to Table S-4 on the Ryan document — http://budget.house.gov/UploadedFiles/PathToProsperityFY2012.pdf — on Page 65, labeled “FY2012 Chairman’s Mark vs. President’s FY2012 Budget by Major Category.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
4:48 pm

jm, that chart has exactly zero in regards to military spending.

Rational

April 6th, 2011
4:48 pm

Doggone – one last comment. Nope, just assuming because they get in the middle of the rest of the rates, I have to assume they are in the middle of those rates too. Just my (un)educated guess.

Bosch

April 6th, 2011
4:48 pm

“but I must go sit in traffic to start my second job.”

The ultimate booooooo.

jm

April 6th, 2011
4:49 pm

You know, if Dems don’t want a shutdown, they can pass the House spending measure, annnnnnnnnnytime they want…

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
4:50 pm

“There is only now a very tiny nascence by the Party of Permanent War to the sheer folly of leaving the Defense Budget out of the equation.”

AmVet, can you tell us why dumping billions into GM and Chrysler creates jobs and stimulates the economy while dumping billions into defense contractors does not?

Thanks in advance.

jm

April 6th, 2011
4:50 pm

AmVet 4:48 – under security spending. of course, if that includes DHS, etc., then the data gets fuzzier.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
4:50 pm

“Nope, just assuming because they get in the middle of the rest of the rates, I have to assume they are in the middle of those rates too. Just my (un)educated guess”

Well, you know what “they” say about assumptions. Do you have any proof that government “gets in the way” of ANY insurance rates?

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
4:50 pm

“Dave R…..just because you say it is so does not make it true…where are the convictions? Where are the cases (even thouse without convictions)? Where are the arrests?”

Perhaps you need to be acquainted with the term “machine towns”?

They control the voter rolls, they control the courts, they control the media. Case in point, Boston, MA. They just finished re-electing their mayor for the fifth or sixth time in a row. The guy is completely and totally incompetent. The city is in a fiscal shamble. He is as inarticulate as any human being can be. His nickname is “Mumbles” Menino. He’s nothing to look at, either.

Longest-serving mayor in the history of Boston. Every election he has opposition. Every poll just before most election days show a close race. Every election won by 10 points or more.

‘Splain THAT!

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
4:50 pm

Libertarian: I don’t understand how you can lower the top tax rate to 25% and have no cuts to defense but still manage to reduce/eliminate the deficit.
———————————-

Simple. By slowing the growth of parasite maintenance programs.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

April 6th, 2011
4:51 pm

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
4:52 pm

You know, after promising downstairs to answer our questions, AmVet has been remarkably consistent in AVOIDING questions all afternoon…

Del

April 6th, 2011
4:52 pm

Off to pick up my daughter. Maybe later Jay will have a Ryan Budget Plan Part IV.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
4:53 pm

If you don’t like Ryan’s plan to reduce deficit spending by $5.8 trillion over the next decade, support a political party that accomplishes as much in some other way.

Oopsies, there isn’t one. The Democrat party proposes to increase the debt by $9.5 trillion over the same time frame.

jm

April 6th, 2011
4:53 pm

RE military spending. There are many that argue (accurately) that military spending is at an all time low as a % of GDP, relative to historic measures. (See USA Inc.)

However, I’m not wholly sold that that is the proper metric. The proper metric is simply what is necessary to keep us at the vanguard, to protect our country, and protect our allies (as is necessary). That to me, suggests we could spend a good deal less.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
4:53 pm

Jay, where is Part I of your critique of the Democrat plan?

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
4:54 pm

jm, after further review the ruling on the field stands as you called it.

I can only surmise that the euphemism *security* includes defense spending…

Paul Ryan Monster

April 6th, 2011
4:55 pm

Coooooooookies!! Yum yum.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
4:55 pm

“There are many that argue (accurately) that military spending is at an all time low as a % of GDP, relative to historic measures. (See USA Inc.)”

And what do those “many” say in regard to our debt ratio to GDP?

Paul Ryan Monster

April 6th, 2011
4:57 pm

AmVet 4:54 – thanks. Likewise. However, as I mentioned, if it includes “all security spending”, who knows what he is cutting. INS, DHS, border security, who knows…..

Point is, the guy’s cutting “security” spending. And he’s obviously signed up for the DOD cuts. I think they could go further, but that’s just me. The DOD wants to be able to fight two regional wars, or defeat a “China”. I personally don’t know what that requires.

jm

April 6th, 2011
4:58 pm

jm

April 6th, 2011
4:59 pm

Doggone 4:55 – that it is on the edge of being totally out of whack. Approaching ludicrous speed.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
4:59 pm

Well I guess Del concedes the lack of proof for the voter fraud claim made without fact but since Dave R wants to try to make claims without facts — here are the facts:

Fake the Vote –Why would anyone commit voter fraud? … In 2002, the Bush administration made cracking down on voter fraud a top priority. Five years later, the effort had yielded 86 convictions. About 30 convictions were linked to vote-buying schemes in races for small offices like sheriff or judge. Only 26 were attributable to individual voters, and most of those were misunderstandings about voter eligibility, such as felons who voted without knowing it was illegal. The prosecutions provided little evidence of organized fraud. A 2007 study by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University reached a similar conclusion. The vast majority of “fraud” cases, it found, were due to typographical errors in poll books and registration records, bad matches between voter databases (for example, you could be listed as John Smith in one database and John T. Smith in another), and voters registering at new addresses without deleting old registrations. Much of the alleged “voter fraud,” it turns out, is just poorly filled out registration cards. And even if someone purposely files a fraudulent form by writing the name “Mickey Mouse,” it doesn’t affect the election. “Mickey Mouse doesn’t vote,” says Wendy Weiser of the Brennan Institute. Actual voter fraud—a voter pretending to be someone he’s not—is, according to the study, less common than getting struck by lightning.

From the NY Times, a nice chart
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud_graphic.html

and the article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
4:59 pm

I wish y’all would quit stereotyping Buckhead! “Buckhead mansions…” Shhheeesh…this is a very diverse part of town…probably THE most diverse…room for everybody…

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
5:00 pm

“The Democrat party proposes to increase the debt by $9.5 trillion over the same time frame.”

…after ridiculing Cheney for saying deficits don’t matter…

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
5:01 pm

One would think that the fiscally irresponsible, who want to make individuals pick up even more of the tax liability, would at a minimum start reigning in some of the massive corporate welfare to help we the people out, just a little.

But nope.

Prepare for even more handouts, giveaways, subsidies and market manipulation to protect the wealthy who buy the ear of our representatives…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
5:01 pm

oh the fake the vote segment is from http://www.slate.com/id/2272405 which also included:

Perhaps the strongest evidence against claims of widespread voter fraud is that it would make no sense. Imagine what you’d have to do to perpetrate such a scheme. You’d first have to recruit a large number of voters willing to cooperate, each of whom would risk five years in prison and a $10,000 fine. Then you’d have to get them all registered, which would require fake IDs and mailing addresses. (The mailing address would have to be real so they could receive their registration cards.) The names and addresses would then get checked against a central state database. If the database fails to find a match, the voter’s registration gets flagged for a follow-up check of their Social Security Number or driver’s license number. Then on Election Day, they’d have to show their fake ID again and lie to a poll worker’s face. At each point—registration, the database check, voting—they’d run the risk of getting caught. And the more people involved in the scheme, the more likely someone slips up. All it would take is one unlucky person for the whole plan to unravel.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
5:02 pm

Buckhead is no longer safe after dark.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
5:02 pm

Jay, how many columns did you write during the Bush presidency attacking and ridiculing him for running budget deficits, and what was the size of those deficits reletive to the current Obama deficits?

Thanks in advance…

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
5:02 pm

Harry – 1
Bookman – 0

jm

April 6th, 2011
5:03 pm

RE Wisconsin vote: sounds like Walker should (A) just repass the legislation in compliance with open meetings laws or (B) since the judge vote was essentially 50/50, give half of government workers collective bargaining power, and not the other half. :)

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
5:03 pm

” would at a minimum start reigning in some of the massive corporate welfare”

Oh look…another red herring just went swimming by…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
5:04 pm

Harry agains say “I’m winning”! — what a Sheener

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
5:05 pm

Buckhead is quite safe…even here in Buckhood!

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
5:05 pm

Ahhh, slate.com. Now there’s an unbiased source!

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
5:05 pm

It only takes one Democrat to stuff a ballot box.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
5:07 pm

Dave…. waiting for you to post a single credible site to support your claim…and btw, the DOJ numbers are not credible? Sorry, you can divert but you have yet to back up any of your claims with evidence. Did you also look at the Brennan Center report?

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
5:07 pm

Keep. . . .

Machine.

Town.

” At each point—registration, the database check, voting—they’d run the risk of getting caught.”

Not when the whole lot of them are your “buddies”.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
5:08 pm

LBB, you made a claim…now do back it up with real evidence.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
5:08 pm

“Harry agains say “I’m winning”!

Trying to provoke Bookman into debating deficits with me, but no way he will bite. He has ZERO credibility, and he knows it. I would take him out behind the woodshed…

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
5:10 pm

“Sorry, you can divert”

that’s SOP. When you can’t refute the data…attack the source instead.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
5:12 pm

Here’s Bookman’s thoughts on deficits when a republican was in the White House…

Bookman: No deficit of horror in this movie
By JAY BOOKMAN
Cox News Service
Thursday, August 21, 2008
ATLANTA — Over the past few years, millions of homeowners borrowed more money than they could repay. They were living beyond their means, hoping that sometime in the future, something would come along to bail them out.

They’re now paying for that lack of responsibility. In the second quarter of 2008 alone, more than 700,000 homes went into foreclosure, driving housing values lower and gutting the nation’s construction industry.

There’s an important lesson in that tragedy, not just for Americans as individuals but as citizens of the United States of America. As a nation, we are living well beyond our means and behaving just as irresponsibly as those individual homeowners who mortgaged their family’s future for a plasma TV or European vacation. Our national debt — the accumulation of year after year of deficit spending by our government — is approaching $10 trillion and growing, with almost 45 percent of it owed to foreigners.

And just as overextended homeowners lost their homes, we Americans may lose our country, or at least the prosperous, powerful country as we’ve known it. The debt is growing so large that last month alone, interest payments totaled $24 billion. Again, that’s a single month.

To see where that will inevitably lead, “we only need to look at the fate of other countries who have lived beyond their means for a long time,” warns former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill, who was fired from his Cabinet post by President Bush for daring to insist that deficits matter. “When you get extended to the point you can’t service your debt, you’re finished.”

O’Neill issues that warning in “I.O.U.S.A,” a documentary about our nation’s pending fiscal crisis that opens tonight, for one night only, in 400 movie theaters around the country. (For a list of theaters, go to http://www.iousathemovie.com/).

As the movie points out, a country deep in debt to the rest of the world loses control over its future. Most of our foreign-held debt is owned by Japan, China and the oil-exporting countries, giving them enormous potential leverage not just over our foreign policy but over our domestic economic policies as well.

In addition to O’Neill, the movie features financier Warren Buffett, former Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul, former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and others. But its two stars are David Walker, until recently head of the Government Accountability Office, and Robert Bixby, head of the Concord Coalition, who have been traveling the nation trying to stir up grass-roots concern about the problem.

The Concord Coalition, founded in 1992 by a Democrat and two Republicans, has been studiously nonpartisan. As Walker puts it, “The facts aren’t Democrat or Republican. The facts aren’t liberal or conservative. The facts are the facts.”

But facts being facts, two presidents in particular come in for pointed criticism. In one clip, Ronald Reagan is seen pointing out correctly that “for decades we have piled deficit upon deficit, mortgaging our future and our children’s future, for the temporary convenience of the present.”

But as he speaks, graphics point out that in Reagan’s eight years as president, our national debt almost tripled, from $909 billion to $2.6 trillion.

The current President Bush is given similar treatment. In a press conference, he is seen proudly awarding himself “an A for keeping taxes low and being fiscally responsible with the people’s money.” But as graphics demonstrate, our national debt was $5.7 trillion when Bush took office; it will be almost twice that when he leaves. There is no curve in the world on which that performance merits an “A.”

The film does not offer a detailed solution, but it does express restrained outrage at the immorality of one generation of Americans — you and I — willing to mortgage the futures of our children and grandchildren to satisfy our own selfishness.

It’s the scariest movie you are likely to see this summer, not least because we play the villains.

Jay Bookman writes for The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
5:13 pm

okay…time to get back on topic. Dave R, Del and LBB have no evidence just wild unsupported stories. I bet it was that woman with the designer bag who shops in Whole Foods with food stamps and drives a brand new Caddy who is doing it…either that or Santa Claus.

Dave R says its a conspiracy…. let’s see, we have birther, truthers and now…fraudsters?

Abrazos

April 6th, 2011
5:13 pm

Interesting that none of the Paul “Eddie Munster” Ryan’s fan base has mentioned that in 2008, he voted FOR TARP, FOR the Wall Street bailout and FOR the bailout of GM and Chrysler. Maybe he’s trying to make amends for his own spending profligacy.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
5:14 pm

Harry

The Bruin has plenty of credibility in many areas…some others, well maybe not, but he’ll eventually come around and see the errors of his ways there…zero credibility? I give him an 88.

WOW #5

April 6th, 2011
5:14 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight! & Doggone/GA & AmVet

Do any of you have degrees in economics and have any of you ever run a business?

Have any of you ever managed other people and had to deal with a budget?

The reason I ask is because all three of you spend 90% of your time arguing with other folks about stuff you don’t seem to understand.

For instance: When Keep is asked a simple question, he responds with POOP ON YOU! Skittles POOP!! That tells me that Keep is either a teenager in a public library or has a chemical imbalance.

Vet constantly rails against capitalism yet occasionally talks about his stock portfolio.

Doggone just throws out statements that make no sense.

jm

April 6th, 2011
5:16 pm

WOW #5 – “Do any of you have degrees in economics”

not on the list, but yes.

Midori

April 6th, 2011
5:16 pm

Keep – I fess up!! It was me!! Only it was a Volvo. Got to keep those tripe stereotypes right :)

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
5:16 pm

good fight…
Did you see her? I mean that gal’s getting around…look at how many people she’s putting to work..

jm

April 6th, 2011
5:17 pm

For the record. Skittle Poop is a highly complex economic theory WOW #5. You just haven’t heard of it yet….

Midori

April 6th, 2011
5:17 pm

LOL Josef!!

I aims to please :)

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
5:17 pm

midori

Well, we know you DO spend a lot of time in Buckhead… :-)

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
5:19 pm

Bookman was so concerned about deficits in 2004 he feared for his children…

“Today, the modern Republican Party no longer has a plausible claim as the party of fiscal responsibility. That legacy began to crumble under the massive deficits created by Reagan, and it suffered another hit when it took Bill Clinton, a Democrat, to bring the budget under control and produce a surplus. But the truly fatal blow to that reputation — the blow that has put it in the grave and tossed dirt on it — came just in the last few years, as a Republican Congress and a Republican president approved the largest expansion of nondefense spending in the last 40 years, blithely dismissing the exploding deficit as somebody else’s problem.

Well, I have two children, and they’re that “somebody else.”

http://crackersquire.blogspot.com/2004/08/and-winner-is-jay-bookman-very-timely.html

The 2004 deficit t hat scared Bookman so badly was $521 billion. What’s that, 1/3 of the Obama deficit?

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
5:19 pm

Midori – I posted something for you last night about your panic attacks.

mystified

April 6th, 2011
5:19 pm

Well based on Cynthias post and this one… I guess the DNC talking points memo has been published.

jm

April 6th, 2011
5:19 pm

Yeah, don’t recall who is claiming Buckhead is unsafe. That perspective is outdated by about 10 years.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
5:21 pm

Midori — well now I wish I had said hello. I think you dropped a couple of ballots.

josef — I know she’s doing a great job. btw, if there are no mansions in Buckhead, maybe you live in Buckhead, GA and not Fulton County. :P

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
5:21 pm

Back in August of 2004, Bookman wa so scared of $521 billion deficit that he feared for the lives of his children…

“Today, the modern Republican Party no longer has a plausible claim as the party of fiscal responsibility. That legacy began to crumble under the massive deficits created by Reagan, and it suffered another hit when it took Bill Clinton, a Democrat, to bring the budget under control and produce a surplus. But the truly fatal blow to that reputation — the blow that has put it in the grave and tossed dirt on it — came just in the last few years, as a Republican Congress and a Republican president approved the largest expansion of nondefense spending in the last 40 years, blithely dismissing the exploding deficit as somebody else’s problem. ”

Well, I have two children, and they’re that “somebody else.”

jm

April 6th, 2011
5:21 pm

Also, for the record, Jay. I’d hate to see you relo back to a blue state. You bring balance that every publication needs….. you and Kyle make a good pairing. Wooten and Tucker (and Barr), bluickckckc.

Del

April 6th, 2011
5:23 pm

Well keep if you’re saying that there has never been incidents of voter fraud and you don’t believe there should be any concern, then because we all have to believe in something your belief must be in the tooth fairy and peter pan.

Midori

April 6th, 2011
5:24 pm

thanks Doggone – I’ll go back and take a look :)

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
5:24 pm

jm

And even 10 years ago it was those three or four blocks at Peachtree and Roswell…Buckhead for tourists…and since it was each other they were bothering…

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
5:24 pm

Back in 2006, Jay thought $1.4 trillion in deficits over THREE YEARS was outrageous. But now, apparently, $1.4 trillion in ONE YEAR is just fine…

“”So in three years’ time under President Bush and a
Republican Congress, we’ve added $1.4 trillion to our nation’s debt, largely because government revenues were reduced through tax cuts benefiting the rich,” noted Jay Bookman in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
5:26 pm

“largely because government revenues were reduced through tax cuts benefiting the rich,”

But…but…but…wait a minute Jay…aren’t those the tax cuts Barack Obama EXTENDED along with Reid and Pelosi?

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
5:26 pm

Interesting that none of the Paul “Eddie Munster” Ryan’s fan base has mentioned that in 2008, he voted FOR TARP, FOR the Wall Street bailout and FOR the bailout of GM and Chrysler.

Of course not Abrazos. But I have posted those facts twice today.

Apparently he has since had a fiscal epiphany. Ahem.

This latest hair-brained scheme of his is just another preposterous, misguided and counter-productive con-job…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
5:26 pm

Del, weak. Again, you’re welcome to post some evidence to back your unsupport assertions of widespread voter fraud. I beleive in the real evidence so no need for your fairy tales.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
5:26 pm

Harry — 5
Bookman – 0

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
5:27 pm

Jay? HELLO??? Anybody home???

Moderate Line

April 6th, 2011
5:27 pm

One of the interesting things about the current budget battle is that if the last congress which consisted of a Dem House and Senate had done it’s job we would not have these week to week continuing resolutions. The current budget should have been passed in October.

jm

April 6th, 2011
5:28 pm

AmVet 5:26 – Bank TARP turned a profit, GM TARP, not so much. Either way, those were done in the throes of a financial crisis. GDP and inflation are progressing at a reasonable clip. Times change, time to fix the perpetual Trillion $ deficits.

Paul Ryan Monster

April 6th, 2011
5:29 pm

HC – busy working on Part 4 silly

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
5:29 pm

good fight

I never said there weren’t some nice places here, but that’s not all there is to this neighborhood and, old Buckhead is rather modest and tasteful without being ostentatious. Now, those of us who live here DO know how to identify a person as Real Buckhead, Old Buckhead, Buckhead Newcomer, Buckhead Wannabe and Tourist…

Jay

April 6th, 2011
5:30 pm

“Woodshed?” Jay thought to himself, trying to suppress a giggle.

OK, Harry. Let’s see, shall we?

My thoughts on the debt and deficit haven’t changed an iota from that 2008 column. In fact, I have written here repeatedly that our growing debt is a serious problem that must be addressed by both cutting spending and raising taxes.

However, you don’t take those actions in the deepest recession in more than 80 years, not unless you want the recession to get even deeper. Even conservative economists agree that cutting spending immediately would slow our recovery, just as tax hikes would. The economic conditions in which Obama took office — 800,000 jobs a month disappearing, Wall Street in a meltdown, etc., force his hand and a fiscal 2009 deficit already projected at more than $1.2 trillion before he even took office.

He did what he had to do, what was wise to do, and we’re now beginning to pull out of the tailspin, adding jobs, etc.

Once we return to some semblance of normality and economic stability, we absolutely do need to address the debt and deficit. In fact, we have no option but to do so. I expect Obama to lead that effort; if he doesn’t, I’ll criticize his failure harshly.

If I don’t, then and only then will you will be able to take me to the woodshed, Harry.

jm

April 6th, 2011
5:30 pm

Moderate Line indeed indeed

jm

April 6th, 2011
5:31 pm

Jay, we’re no longer in a recession.

Del

April 6th, 2011
5:31 pm

Keep, Google is your friend and you may want to try it before you make assertions that there’s no such thing as voter fraud and that committing such fraud is near impossible.

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
5:32 pm

So, the Ryan Roadkill Plan cuts 2.05 trillion from Medicare, Medicaid and other domestic programs over the next ten years while increasing the national debt by another 2 trillion in ten years. So, how does that add up to a cut in the deficit or debt exactly.

jm

April 6th, 2011
5:33 pm

Jay 5:30 – look, Obama has completely punted on the deficit. Even my Dem chums working for some very deep pocketed non-profits have come to the conclusion that he has made some incredibly dangerous decisions not to begin addressing deficit reduction, which was served up by his own deficit commission, then rapidly thrown in the trash by Obama and his political advisors.

@@

April 6th, 2011
5:33 pm

Guess there won’t be a Part IV since Obama’s deeply committed to his spending on defense and national security. Perhaps it’s the 20% vs 60…70%.

I still see Ryan’s plan as the better alternative to…….nothing……which is what the Democrats have offered.

lowering taxes on corporations and the wealthy while eliminating loopholes and deductions?

Works for me.

Jay

April 6th, 2011
5:33 pm

Yes, jm, I know. Technically, a recession ends when things stop getting even worse.

And things have stopped getting worse. In fact, they’re starting to improve a little bit, month by month. But they’re a long, long way from good, agreed?

Midori

April 6th, 2011
5:33 pm

LOL – That “woodshed” looked more like 6 Flags :lol:

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
5:34 pm

josef — as someone who lived for a number of years near Chastain Park and used to walk there for concerts and cycle the many turns off Mount Paran and other streets, I do know many beautiful homes….but glad that you are now making everyone wear labels. :D

jm

April 6th, 2011
5:35 pm

Look, it sux that Obama got handed $1.5+ Trillion deficit. It sucks that on 9/11 the WTC was blown to smithereens. Presidents have to do tough things (in theory). But not this one.

If the deficit was 9/11 (and it will be), then Obama’s plan is the equivalent of calling on INTERPOL to arrest the Taliban and Bin Laden.

Jay

April 6th, 2011
5:36 pm

jm, given that Obama has to negotiate a solution with a Republican Party that absolutely, totally rejects even the suggestion that tax increases might be considered — and we all know that tax hikes have to be part of this — what would you have him do?

ATF

April 6th, 2011
5:36 pm

“He also intends to lower the top tax bracket on individuals and corporations from the current 35 percent to 25 percent.”

Oh, sure. And those tax cuts we have had for the last decade have done SO MUCH to increase jobs.

There is a point in any policy when a good idea is carried to a ridiculous extreme. Are we there yet?

Del

April 6th, 2011
5:36 pm

jm, good point as Ryan was on that commission and much that he’s proposing came from it. Really does make Obama appear foolish and a weak leader.

Pogo

April 6th, 2011
5:37 pm

The Lefts answer to the fiscal crisis? Just tax those evil “riche” and everything will be OK. Nevermind that that has been tried elsewhere and in this country and it failed. Do your own research. Name a country where taxing the so-called “rich” has solved that country’s fiscal problems that were created by their socialistic government policies. Just name one.

The problem with socialism (which many on here appear to be subscribe to, whether they realize it or not) is that once one level of taxation is established to pay for socialistic government spending, then inevitably government spending again is escalated as the country’s people become more and more addicted to getting something for nothing (they think) and the politicians become more and more addicted to getting re-elected for promoting these policies. And the answer by these politicians is then to create another higher level of taxation to pay for it. And all the while the definition of “rich” (based upon earned income) is re-defined downward by the politicians to accomodate the “beast” that is government spending. Ultimately the “middle class”, and the “rich” at least tax wise, constitute about 99% of the tax revenue for the country even though they constitute 50% or less of the working population. This is a viscious cycle which will ultimately end in disaster and misery and revolution. Look at what is happening in Wisconsin.

Socialism, and make no mistake, that is exactly what the Reid’s, Pelosi’s and Obama’s of the world are are all about, is very akin to a cancer in the human body. A cancer divides and multiplies using the resources of its host but ultimately it kills its host and at the same time it kills itself. That is exactly what socialism does and that is exactly what Americans and their politicians are doing now. If we don’t address the out of control spending by our government in this country we are a doomed society in which no matter how hard you work and how hard you save all you can expect is a mediocre existance which those that don’t contribute anything also have. A world wherein everyone is equal no matter their contribution to society. Any way you look at it, whether it be us older folks or the younger generation coming along, things are going to have to change and someone is going to have to do with less government support or the “host” is going to die. Socialism is a motivational killer. It kills the motivation to produce and it kills the motivation to be innovative.

jm

April 6th, 2011
5:37 pm

Jay 5:33 – yes, they’re not great. More accurately, you might argue that one shouldn’t try to fix a deficit while headline unemployment is still 9% and real unemployment is still more like 20%.

That said, I’m not sure we have a choice because I don’t things are going to get better no matter what. GDP growth is not going to bail us out this time in my opinion. Its a complex issue, and now is the time to START deficit reduction, because that will have significant benefits.

Midori

April 6th, 2011
5:38 pm

well, my GOP “friends” working for some very deep pocketed profits tell me that the key to our prosperity is defunding NPR, PBS and Planned Parenthood.

I never did like that d*mned purple dinosaur……

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
5:39 pm

Keep, Google is your friend and you may want to try it before you make assertions that there’s no such thing as voter fraud and that committing such fraud is near impossible

And yet you have not used “the Google” to come up with a single piece of evidence to support your claim of widespread voter fraud after I posted links to the 86 cases of the Bush DOJ and the now 95 cases in the DOJ chart. Of which 4 of the 95 cases between 2002 – 2005 were multiple voting cases……… sorry, you really have failed on this one.

jm

April 6th, 2011
5:40 pm

Jay 5:36 – well, hard to know, since Obama hasn’t proposed a plan that includes tax hikes.

R’s want spending cuts. D’s want tax increases (in the closet about this one still though). There’s a compromise waiting to be had (potentially), but not if Obama plays “whirlwind re-election fun time” for the next 18 months. If D’s don’t come to the table, its impossible to know if a compromise is available.

Moderate Line

April 6th, 2011
5:40 pm

The main thing which will be driving our future budget deficit is medicare. You can argue about coporate welfare, welfare for the poor, defense, but most projections for this will swallow our entire budget. Our current expenditures are around 22% of GDP. Historically, we have average around 20%. Medicare and Medicaid is projected to go from 4% of GDP to 9% of GDP by 2035. By 2082 the percentage will be 19% which is roughly equal to what we take in on ALL revenues for the government.

How is this increase going to be made up?
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8758/MainText.3.1.shtml

Midori

April 6th, 2011
5:40 pm

maybe if Obama high fives he wouldn’t look so weak? or better yet, how about a terrorist fist bump?

WOW #6

April 6th, 2011
5:40 pm

“given that Obama has to negotiate a solution with a Republican Party”

Another excuse. Where were the Democrats budget proposal last year? OH that’s right, they didn’t put one forth because of the November elections. We are Here Because Democrats Didn’t Pass a Budget for 2 Years.

Obama keeps saying that the Republicans want it to be ‘my way or the highway,’ but when has he ever compromised on anything?

Boehner: If President Obama “Wants to Have An ‘Adult Conversation’ About Solving Our Fiscal Challenges, He Needs to Lead Instead of Sitting On the Sidelines”

He’s absolutely right. Instead, Obama is out campaigning and playing golf.

Jay

April 6th, 2011
5:41 pm

actually, jm, Obama DID propose a solution that included tax hikes. He wanted to let the tax cuts for the rich expire, and remind me again … how did that one go?

@@

April 6th, 2011
5:41 pm

I never did like that d*mned purple dinosaur……

ME EITHER!!!!

“I love you…you love me…we’re a happy family…”

Thbbpbbt

Jonas

April 6th, 2011
5:42 pm

It is my belief that Obama should be given a pass on any responsiblity as he is simply and only the President of the United States.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
5:42 pm

jm, the TARP debacle was illustrative of an administration completely out of control.

Books will be written about how the president and congress completely botched that crisis. (And arguably allowed it to happen in the first place.)

They had Wall Street’s Titans of Malfeasance and Criminal Negligence over a barrel. Who came like slavish puppy dogs to Washington with their enormous hats in their outstretched hands.

And instead of getting REAL concessions from them (after all Bush promised to clean up Wall Street in his 2000 campaign), getting the banksters and casino capitalists to pay for THEIR bailout (by implementing a very modest .5% tax on all credit swaps for example) and putting the many criminal offenders behind bars/fining the hell out of them, the politicians did what?

They got stuffed into the barrel by their paymasters and rolled down the hill to us.

Who, of course, picked up the tab.

And King George of the fifty colonies (not to be confused with the previous one who only had 13) did his backroom, closed door Taxation without Representation shtick.

No gathering of the best minds in the country to propose and debate solutions. (Well, nobody but the Wall Street boys themselves.) Nobody to represent you and me. (Congress doesn’t really do that anymore.)

Just fear-mongered b*llsh*t.

Something they had perfected seven years earlier…

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
5:42 pm

It wasn’t US who put the labels on them…they chose them…Chastain and Mt Paran are only part of this part of town…there’s Pharr, Paces Ferry, Lindbergh Drive, Peachtree Battle, Lenox…and how do we know who’s who…Old Buckhead sees you walk down the street or passes you in the store, smiles, nods and says “good morning.” Real Buckhead does the same, and asks about Mama and them and when are you going to come for a cup of coffee, Buckhead Newcomer looks at you like you’re an alien being when you nod and walks on by. Tourists? They’re the ones trying to find their way back to Peachtree… :-)

Midori

April 6th, 2011
5:43 pm

Del

April 6th, 2011
5:44 pm

Jay, the public isn’t convinced that government, which includes both parties possess both the will and ability to manage the nations financial affairs. The first step must be deep meaningful cuts in spending to gain the public’s confidence. The Republicans are doing what the public is demanding as evidenced in the mid-term election. Democrats would be well advised to understand that message and it appears they’re failing to do so.

WOW #7

April 6th, 2011
5:44 pm

“Obama DID propose a solution that included tax hikes. He wanted to let the tax cuts for the rich expire, and remind me again”

Sure. Obama and the Democrats had the House and Senate for two years. The GOP was in the minority.

Obama extended the Bush tax cuts.

More excuses by the DNC excuse maker himself.

Tommy Maddox

April 6th, 2011
5:44 pm

This business of attacking “programs affecting the elderly, the sick and the poor” is just the same old rehash of claims made by the Left in1996. We did not see the bodies of the elderly littering the streets then, nor will we now.

How’s about trying something that really is a CHANGE in as much that the Left as proposed NOTHING to address the debt.

jm

April 6th, 2011
5:44 pm

Jay, what Obama thinks (and probably you) is that after Obama is (in theory) re-elected in 2012 then they can work on deficit reduction.

2 problems with this.
1. The deficits are so large things could blow up before then.
2. Everyone wants to keep punting until the next election. Obama thinks he’ll have the freedom, since there won’t be a 3rd term, to negotiate without worrying about 2016. Problem is, Congress is always worried about re-election (the house anyway), and he’ll have a bunch of R’s that say: well we’ll wait until 2016 when we have a better shot at an R president to settle.

This can’t go on forever. Life’s not fair. Obama needs to deal with the deficit now.

Midori

April 6th, 2011
5:45 pm

so now Del is the voice of the public.

got it.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
5:45 pm

@@

For my 40th birthday party they had a Barney pinata…busted that purple b*stid wide open!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
5:45 pm

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office’s initial analysis of the House GOP budget released today by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) is filled with nuggets of bad news for Republicans.

In addition to acknowledging that seniors, disabled and elderly people would be hit with much higher out-of-pocket health care costs, the CBO finds that by the end of the 10-year budget window, public debt will actually be higher than it would be if the GOP just did nothing.
___________________

Ahh reality…. it just does the Republican ilk little good.

Jay

April 6th, 2011
5:47 pm

Again jm, given the refusal of the GOP to even consider tax hikes, what specifically would you have him do?

jm

April 6th, 2011
5:47 pm

Jay 5:41 – it went nowhere because it was only the D half of the plan. Ie, not a compromise.

A compromise entails spending cuts (for the R’s) in return for higher taxes (for the D’s).

And furthermore, tax increases on just the rich won’t close the gap. Everyone’s going to have to pay up. And the rich don’t want to be thrown into the meat grinder first. Hard to blame them.

Jay

April 6th, 2011
5:48 pm

jm, I agree on that point. Everybody is going to have to contribute.

jm

April 6th, 2011
5:48 pm

Jay 5:47 – “the grand bargain” thingy. Everyone hurts and everyone wins simultaneously. It can’t be done in piecemeal fashion I don’t think.

Midori

April 6th, 2011
5:49 pm

funny how Obama’s election meant absolutely nothing — a mere pittance (in some minds), but the GOP taking back the House is the end all of all time (again, in some minds).

Jay

April 6th, 2011
5:49 pm

Sure got quiet in the woodshed….

@@

April 6th, 2011
5:49 pm

Sitting on the sidelines?

Even congressional Democrats have complained he spends too much time on the sidelines, leaving them to do his dirty work.

I spotted that personal characteristic early on. Don’t know what took THEM so long.

Haven’t they learned not to bother him while he’s playing the role of president?

Jay

April 6th, 2011
5:50 pm

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
5:50 pm

midori

And he needs to learn to speak Ebonics…I’ll be glad to tutor him!

WOW #8

April 6th, 2011
5:51 pm

“And furthermore, tax increases on just the rich won’t close the gap”

The thing that left wingers don’t seem to understand is the fact that rich people can simply move. When states, like Maryland for instance, raise taxes on rich people, they simply pack up and leave and the middle/lower class are left footing the bill.

But, most of these left wingers have never taken ECON 101 class so I can see their ignorance when it comes to money.

“Everybody is going to have to contribute.”

What about those that don’t pay taxes, Jay? Maybe the government should sell those people to China. (JOKE)

jm

April 6th, 2011
5:52 pm

Jay 5:50 – glad there’s common ground. Of course, where on that ground things shake out changes things. The problem with the grand bargain thing is someone looks at their piece and thinks they’re losing and everyone screams bloody murder.

The GA tax commission plan was a bit of the “everyone wins and loses simultaneously” thing. How did you feel about that?

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
5:52 pm

“given the refusal of the GOP to even consider tax hikes, what specifically would you have him do?”

At this point, and based on what happened in Dec, I think those “cut spending NOW” “conservatives” would be quite willing to compromise on more spending, if they can only get the tax CUTS they want. After all, they DID cave on increasing unemployment benefits (more spending) to keep lower taxes for the rich (tax cuts)

Midori

April 6th, 2011
5:52 pm

HAHAHAHAHA, Josef!!

well, as you know that talent completely evaded me :lol:

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
5:52 pm

josef, you should of had Tinky Winky and invited that loon Jerry Falwell!

Jay

April 6th, 2011
5:53 pm

So Wow, where are the big earners going to move? What Western industrialized country would they move to that has lower taxes than we do?

It’s a bunch of bull.

@@

April 6th, 2011
5:53 pm

josef:

I can’t tell you how many times we’ve had to sing that song at school. It’s a bit easier in that environment. We DO love each other, but still…

IT’S NERVE-WRACKING!!!!

I entertain myself by singing it in Barney’s voice. The rest of the staff gets to laughing so hard they forget how NERVE-WRACKING it is.

Del

April 6th, 2011
5:54 pm

“so now Del is the voice of the public.

got it.”

There was a mid-term election that took place this past November 2, 2010. An election is where the public makes their opinions heard by electing representatives to serve them in government. There are classes dealing with civics’ that you can attend.

Jay

April 6th, 2011
5:56 pm

jm, I never saw the point of that “reform.” The whole thing was justified as a way to make the state more “business friendly,” but as the commission made very clear, none of the proposed changes would do anything to accomplish that goal.

From the beginning, it was all show.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
5:56 pm

Midori @5:49, four months on and I’m still recovering from the “backlash”.

Or is it the previous whiplash of 06 and 08?

LOL…

WOW #9

April 6th, 2011
5:56 pm

“So Wow, where are the big earners going to move?”

Texas has seen the biggest influx of people. Florida is another. There is a reason why companies/people have moved down south, Jay.

I’m guessing that’s one of the reasons you’re here and not living in some blue state like Illinois.

“What Western industrialized country would they move to that has lower taxes than we do?”

Singapore and Hong Kong are more business friendly than the US. Australia and Costa Rica are another area.

“It’s a bunch of bull.”

Oh really?

Certainly, Maryland’s millionaire tax back fired. It is estimated that Maryland lost $1 billion because one-third of wealthy residents moved or filed their taxes in other states with lower tax burdens. Since Maryland’s millionaire tax was implemented, Maryland’s deficit has increased from $1.7 billion to $2 billion.

Similarly, New York enacted a “millionaire tax” that raised tax rates on all residents making more than $200,000 a year. However, since New York implemented their so-called millionaire tax its state revenue has declined by 9 percent. According to New York Governor David Paterson,

We increased the income tax for millionaires last year. We projected that we would get $4 billion and we actually got well short of it. Tax the rich, tax the rich. We’ve done that. We’ve probably lost jobs and driven people out of the state.

http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/jborowski/tax-hikes-on-the-rich-wont-work

jm

April 6th, 2011
5:56 pm

Jay 5:53 – top income tax rate in Singapore is 20%. There’s a reason our good ole southern boy and Soros protege Jim Rogers went there.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
5:58 pm

@@

Same here…I’m threatening to teach mine Marshall Chapman’s “I Love Everybody!”

@@

April 6th, 2011
5:58 pm

funny how Obama’s election meant absolutely nothing

I’m glad we got it behind us. Problem is…he was the wrong FIRST. His lack of leadership reflects poorly. ‘Twas a huge burden to place on one so young and inexperienced.

jm

April 6th, 2011
5:59 pm

Jay 5:56 – I think you may have proved my point.

I think it would make the state more competitive by eliminating all the tax credits / deductions / etc and lowering the rate. But that’s just my perspective.

Midori

April 6th, 2011
5:59 pm

ROFL, AmVet :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbt30UnzRWw

maybe Del will chime in on this as well.

once he’s finished digging up some “you momma so fat” jokes to rebut Keep :lol:

getalife

April 6th, 2011
5:59 pm

The gop took Clinton’s surplus, went 2 trillion in debt with needless a war like Iraq and handed out corporate welfare, collapsed the global economy then want to cut services for the American people.

Then they will go back to spending trillions and destroying our country.

Amazing hypocrisy is the gop.

jm

April 6th, 2011
6:00 pm

and I don’t think the commission would’ve proposed something to put the legislature through the ringer “just for show”

Yippee

April 6th, 2011
6:01 pm

So, what is your plan Jay, and the rest of the poopslingers?

Ryan: Debt on Track to Hit 800 Percent of GDP; ‘CBO Can’t Conceive of Any Way’ Economy Can Continue Past 2037

SEE LINK
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/rep-ryan-obama-s-budget-path-do-nothing

Midori

April 6th, 2011
6:02 pm

jm

April 6th, 2011
6:03 pm

For anyone looking Singapore tax rates….

http://www.guidemesingapore.com/taxation/topics/singapore-tax-rates

Oh, and their corp tax rate tops out at 17%.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
6:03 pm

Midori…. funny! :D

getalife

April 6th, 2011
6:03 pm

“I’m glad we got it behind us. Problem is…he was the wrong FIRST. His lack of leadership reflects poorly. ‘Twas a huge burden to place on one so young and inexperienced”

Behind us?

He will win again @@.

The gop can’t beat him.

Jay

April 6th, 2011
6:04 pm

all of those destinations are here in the good ol US of A, Wow. Altho Texas does make noises to the contrary from time to time.

And if they want to move to Singapore … see ya!

As to the Maryland claim:

“In May 2009 the Wall Street Journal ran an editorial entitled “Millionaires Go Missing.” This article argued that Maryland’s newly imposed millionaire tax was driving wealthy citizens from the state. The article claimed that one-third of millionaires left Maryland after the state increased their top tax rate from 5 percent to 6.25 percent for taxpayers making $1 million or more. However, a study that used actual state tax return data contradicts this claim.

According to a study by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), the decrease in Maryland millionaire tax returns had less to do with millionaires leaving the state and more to do with the recession’s effect on their income. The institute gathered data from the Maryland Office of the Comptroller on millionaire tax returns from before and after Maryland’s 2007 tax hike. Their findings showed that out of 3,837 less millionaire tax returns filed in 2008 compared to 2007, only 547 of them were due to state residency changes. The other 3,290 millionaires simply made less money during the recession and were therefore not subject to the millionaire tax.

Other studies have resulted in similar conclusions. Princeton University’s Policy Research Institute studied the effects of New Jersey’s “half millionaire” tax that was passed in 2000. This “half millionaire” tax created a new tax bracket for those making over $500,000 a year. The study found that while some out-migration did occur, the increase in tax revenue more than made up for the losses. New Jersey lost $37.7 million in tax revenue after wealthy taxpayers left the state, but they gained over $1 billion in revenue from the tax increase. A similar study by the California Budget Project found that after the state passed a 1 percent surcharge on people making more than $1 million a year in 2005, the number of taxpayers with adjusted gross incomes of at least $1 million increased by nearly 38 percent.”

http://taxes.about.com/od/statetaxes/a/State-tax-on-millionaires.htm

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
6:04 pm

good fight

Before leaving Buckhead in the broad daylight…Unmentionable came back from Publix and said he heard a drawled “Y’all got ‘n mo of them chock-lit cov-uhd matzos?” Said he looked over and there she was, floppy housedress and sensible shoes…that’s Real, Old Buckhead! I love my neighborhood!

Midori

April 6th, 2011
6:05 pm

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
6:05 pm

midori

Nyanh…the yo mama’s so fat jokes belong to Michelle!

jm

April 6th, 2011
6:06 pm

Singapore: “see ya” tryin my darndest. I’m not rich, but I wouldn’t mind being so. Productivity is self-perpetuating.

Sent in my formal app for a spot in singy actually today. Not sure it’ll go anywhere, tough to get a job there. So many people trying to get in. Kind of like the US used to be. But times have changed.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
6:07 pm

Midori, although a bizarre band and song, I’ve always like that tune.

And as my mom is from Freiburg, on the edge of the Black Forest, I have always been fascinated by these truly bizarre characters of the 1300s. Who originated there.

They would publicly flog themselves in penance thinking the big guy upstairs would be impressed and lay off on that nasty little Black Plague thing.

They would have made for good cons, who like paying extra taxes to help out BIG business and the wealthy…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellant

Jay

April 6th, 2011
6:07 pm

Yeah jm, nobody’s trying to get into the USA anymore … eyeroll

Paul

April 6th, 2011
6:07 pm

Didn’t read all the posts, will skim them in a bit more, but…

Jay

Good on you. Always, always, always test the assumptions that produce the answer.

If the assumptions are suspect, or if a slight change in one variable produces significant differences in the answer, one knows to be suspicious of the validity of the answer.

And this answer by Heritage is so far out there scientists haven’t even named the galaxy.

One would think those guys would be professionally embarrassed to produce such a report. Then again, maybe they have no shame -

Midori

April 6th, 2011
6:07 pm

houseworks calls.

Later folks :)

jm

April 6th, 2011
6:07 pm

Course won’t do me any good cause I still get to pay US taxes. But one can hope for a good tax lawyer. And I’m still young, so 10 years of taxes might be a cheap trade….

getalife

April 6th, 2011
6:08 pm

Good one.

The tea ba ggers will let us know what billionaires want.

Like their party.

Pogo

April 6th, 2011
6:08 pm

AJC, “NAACP” Objects to Civil War marker. So the NAACP is objecting to a marker to a war that was fought to set black people free from slavery.

What about Obama going grovelling to that charlatan the race baiting “Reverend” Al Sharpton to stir up black support for his 2012 presidential bid? Obama must be really, really scared.

Midori

April 6th, 2011
6:09 pm

Hi Paul :)

AmVet – I’ll catch that link later.

And Doggone – thanks for your help :)

WOW #9

April 6th, 2011
6:09 pm

“all of those destinations are here in the good ol US of A, Wow. Altho Texas does make noises to the contrary from time to time.

And if they want to move to Singapore … see ya! ”

Uh yeah Jay, no kidding. You act as though I meant that rich people would only move out of the country. See ya? That’s great, Jay. So you want people who create jobs to move elsewhere.

Nice.

“According to a study by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), the decrease in Maryland millionaire tax returns had less to do with millionaires leaving the state and more to do with the recession’s effect on their income.”

They had to do a study on why millionaires left the state? LOL talk about wasting tax payer dollars!

Why didn’t they just ASK the millionaires why they left the state?

“The other 3,290 millionaires simply made less money during the recession and were therefore not subject to the millionaire tax.”

Uh……they were already millionaires, Jay! LOL

jm

Dude, there may be one or two left wingers on this blog that actually took an economics class. The rest of them probably never even went to college.

jm

April 6th, 2011
6:09 pm

Jay 6:07 – well, all the INS guys say illegal immigration is way down. Courtesy of the recession / tepid recovery thing.

Yeah, the US is 50 times better than, say, the Ivory Coast. But Singapore is twice as good as the US…. sometimes the grass really is greener.

Jay

April 6th, 2011
6:10 pm

You ever spent any time in Singapore, jm?

jm

April 6th, 2011
6:10 pm

WOW – well, one can be an economist and still left wing. Krugman proves that every week.

carlosgvv

April 6th, 2011
6:10 pm

“affecting the elderly, the sick and the poor”

It is a tribute to the effectiveness of Republican brainwashing and propaganda that their mindless voters will support them even though it is clear that their number one priority is serving Big Business and, if that means sticking it to the poor and elderly, so what. Money talks and BS walks, right Ryan?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
6:10 pm

josef…you sure that unmentionable did not see Midori getting ready to do her housework….

A tax lawyer? You could hire Bachman

jm

April 6th, 2011
6:12 pm

Jay 6:10 – not yet. I know, no spitting out gum (I don’t chew) and no pot smoking (don’t smoke). So it shouldn’t be too much of a problem.

And I know they have a “partially socialized” medical system. Fine by me if it works. I don’t think the same system would work as well in the US, but that’s just me.

Oh yes, it’s sunny and hot. I’m from the GA coast, so hot and humid I can deal with :)

getalife

April 6th, 2011
6:12 pm

There is Paul.

I agree they have no shame.

Paul

April 6th, 2011
6:12 pm

Hi and Bye Midori!

:-)

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
6:13 pm

Keep

Ooooh, you just plumb bad! :-)

jm

April 6th, 2011
6:15 pm

It also helps their national language is actually English too.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
6:16 pm

“Civil War marker?”

We need HD’s opinion on this one.

@@

April 6th, 2011
6:16 pm

Getalife:

He will win again @@.

That remains to be seen, much like his efforts.

By the by…if, for some reason, you decide to leave these parts, let me know. I don’t wanna have to worry about you.

Deal?

getalife

April 6th, 2011
6:18 pm

Why would they leave American exceptionalism and the greatest country with the shining city on the hill?

md

April 6th, 2011
6:19 pm

The rich going to leave? They don’t have to leave……just declare one of their other homes as their primary residence and move their money offshore…….they aren’t rich because they give their money away…………..you folks are kidding yourselves if you think they are dumb enough to sit back and let others vote away their money.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
6:20 pm

getalife

Haven’t heard from HD today. Somebody else has been here, though…jus’ sayin;

getalife

April 6th, 2011
6:20 pm

@@,

Deal but I will stay until they pry this keyboard from my cold d ead hands.

Or if the host bans me.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
6:21 pm

“And Doggone – thanks for your help”

You’re welcome Midori. Hope it does help. I learned from a friend who has panic attacks too.

jm

April 6th, 2011
6:21 pm

md 6:19 – that is true as well. Capital mobility isn’t just a catchphrase.

jm

April 6th, 2011
6:22 pm

md – although, that said, lots of investments are less liquid than one might prefer…

getalife

April 6th, 2011
6:22 pm

“Somebody else has been here, though…jus’ sayin;”

Poking the Bear are ya?

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
6:27 pm

getalife

Not exactly, but inquiring minds do want to know…

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
6:27 pm

getalife, you could have been a Republican/NRA speech writer.

Or maybe a family values guy writing for Dan Quayle…

Too funny…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gAPxcF6Rx0

getalife

April 6th, 2011
6:27 pm

“you folks are kidding yourselves if you think they are dumb enough to sit back and let others vote away their money.”

How are others going to vote away their money?

jm

April 6th, 2011
6:28 pm

carlosgvv

April 6th, 2011
6:28 pm

@@

It is my sincere hope you will someday break out of the propaganda induced fog you are in now and clearly see just how corrupt and rotten you beloved Republican Party really is.

Paul

April 6th, 2011
6:28 pm

I trust that after six pages someone along the way has pointed out to those defending the Ryan numbers, that if they made a prime reason for opposing health care reform the idea the the Democrats had CBO use suspect assumptions to produce the numbers…

that they really don’t have a philosophical leg to stand on?

That is, if anyone here is defending the Heritage numbers?

@@

April 6th, 2011
6:29 pm

Hillbilly’s taken a breather on several occasions. As I recall, he once left the mountain to take care of personal business. Never leaves home without his dignity though. That follows him wherever he goes.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
6:30 pm

@@

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t you say you would have voted for Hillary?

getalife

April 6th, 2011
6:30 pm

AmVet,

I have spell checker so I can spell potato.

@@

April 6th, 2011
6:32 pm

carlosgvv:

GOP? For me, it beats the alternative. I’ve been to the other side of the mountain and things were lookin’ down. Got tired of the view.

WOW #10

April 6th, 2011
6:32 pm

This is a great metaphor for what America will do to Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs1HpiEsmUw

@@

April 6th, 2011
6:34 pm

josef:

I voted for her experience in the primary. Can’t say I wouldn’t have voted for her in the general if given the opportunity. It wasn’t meant to be…Obama’s campaign team saw to that. Pulled every trick in the book to get their guy elected.

jconservative

April 6th, 2011
6:35 pm

jm April 6th, 2011 4:16 pm
jconservative – Ryan slashes military spending dude.

No he does not! He endorses the cuts already made by Sec of Defense Gates. And Gates only paid lip service to cuts. His cuts are really just limiting the future increases in Defense.

jm

April 6th, 2011
6:36 pm

jcon – well that was a timely response. Go back and take a look at the WSJ link I posted, look at the chart 1/2 way down the page, and read under “security”

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
6:38 pm

getalife, lots of cons don’t dig education. It’s too liberal for them.

“Never leaves home without his dignity though. That follows him wherever he goes.”

No doubt.

That’s what made HD’s comment last night so extraordinary.

Like most of the rest of us, he’s likely fed up with the unnecessary crappola bombs that have exploded around here recently.

And the truth shall set you free.

One of the world’s greatest alternative lifestyle front-men. Sadly gone much too soon…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKFEjZ98Q4s

Pogo

April 6th, 2011
6:39 pm

What about the Wisconsin judicial race? For weeks now the left has touted that 60 to 70% of that states population was against the law restricting collective bargaining for public employees. And we now find out that that number was bull crap. At least half of that state supports the law. I guess it is too bad that Obama’s out of state union thugs couldn’t have voted, huh?

Adam

April 6th, 2011
6:40 pm

Jeez I finally catch up downstairs and you’re already 7 pages into this one!

getalife

April 6th, 2011
6:41 pm

@@,

I heard Jack Cafferty say he would vote for her now after CNN and him attacked the Clintons last cycle.He thinks we don’t remember but we do.

It was still a epic battle.

Jay

April 6th, 2011
6:41 pm

jm, Ryan embraces the defense cuts already proposed by Obama, and that’s ALL. No further cuts.

jm

April 6th, 2011
6:43 pm

Jay 6:41 – fine roast him on it. In my opinion, there’s more savings to be had….

As long as we’re in a position to defeat China in the event of any engagement, fine by me, cut all day.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
6:43 pm

getalife, the cons should be thrilled we had FDR.

Otherwise President Clinton would be in his fifth term!

jm

April 6th, 2011
6:45 pm

Jay, of course, it would be fair to keep in mind the DOD cuts already amount to something like 15% of their budget. No one’s come out of the gate saying let’s cut SS and Medicare by 15% TOMORROW. But they essentially are. That’s leadership. Making the tough decisions now before a crisis develops.

Adam

April 6th, 2011
6:45 pm

Did anyone else happen to notice this one: “Heritage claimed that if the Bush tax cuts were approved, the economy would grow so quickly that by 2010, the entire federal debt would effectively be eliminated.”

Well? Any thoughts? Same computer model! Prediction that didn’t come true!

getalife

April 6th, 2011
6:46 pm

AmVet,

He is like the energizer bunny and keeps going, going until he is the President of the World.

That is what tweety calls him.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
6:47 pm

AmVet! :)

Although I think if that happened he would have passed on due to some STD or a 9mm cerebral hemorrhage from Hillary.

jm

April 6th, 2011
6:48 pm

Jay. Zoiks, never thought of it this way:

The Odds on Obama
By Mark Penn

Only two Democrats in the last 90 years have been reelected to a second term — Franklin Roosevelt and Bill Clinton. The rest of the Democrats have seen their presidencies cut short, and so the historical odds of Obama winning a second term are at first glance not encouraging. But I do believe President Obama can overcome those odds and win reelection if he takes the right road. Standing in his way are high unemployment numbers that are coming down, trillion dollar deficits, low approval ratings, and a public that still sees the country squarely on the wrong track.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/04/05/the_odds_on_obama_109456.html

getalife

April 6th, 2011
6:48 pm

Who won Pogo?

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
6:50 pm

“Did anyone else happen to notice this one: “Heritage claimed that if the Bush tax cuts were approved, the economy would grow so quickly that by 2010, the entire federal debt would effectively be eliminated.”

Yeah, junior, already answered about 3 hours ago. That’s what you get for coming in late and skipping the class notes.

It’s called “They didn’t bank on a spend-crazy pack of lunatics in Congress” which is why we’re in the mes we are in right now.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
6:51 pm

jm,

Penn thought the caucuses did not matter.

I don’t listen to him anymore.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
6:51 pm

Well, there is that, Dave!

Maybe in another couple of terms he would at least have upgraded his harem!

We were talking about meatloaf earlier.

From one the most fun and enjoyable records ever recorded…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fAPEUWowEc

Redneck Convert (R---and proud of it)

April 6th, 2011
6:51 pm

Sure got quiet in the woodshed….

Well, when your butt stings so bad you can’t hardly set down the best thing to do is be real quiet. I almost feel sorry for Harry.

Jay

April 6th, 2011
6:53 pm

no jm, the cuts are not 15 percent of their budget. The savings in question are stretched over a five-year period.

Here’s the Weekly Standard, applauding and defending Ryan for NOT cutting defense:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/paul-ryan-defense-spending_556865.html

Paul

April 6th, 2011
6:53 pm

jm

SecDef Gates proposed $178 billion, $100 billion of that reapplied within DoD for a net cut of $78 billion.

But that’s over five years.

Equalizing that, it’s 15.6 billion a year.

The 2012 DoD budget would still be around $553 billion (not counting the wars) so the yearly savings are 2.8 percent.

And the Defense budget would still be about double what it was in 2001.

jm

April 6th, 2011
6:54 pm

getalife – well, that may be. Doesn’t mean the guy’s an idiot.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
6:54 pm

Come on.

Bill has been a good boy.

The President of Italy, not so much.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
6:55 pm

“Bill has been a good boy.”

That we know of. They don’t call them “Secret” Service for nothin’ . . .

getalife

April 6th, 2011
6:56 pm

jm,

“Doesn’t mean the guy’s an idiot.”

I doubt he will get another campaign manager gig.

jm

April 6th, 2011
6:57 pm

Jay 6:53 – fine. In my opinion, 2.5% of GDP should be plenty for the mitary. That’s only $350B, far less than they get now.

jm

April 6th, 2011
6:57 pm

getalife 6:56 :) now that is almost certainly true.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 6th, 2011
6:59 pm

Some of our current problems can be blamed on ol’ Richard Nixon and his Revenue Sharing program. It never really has made sense to me for us to send money to Washington and then have them send it back to us. Interstate Highways and that sort of thing, it makes sense but a lot of it doesn’t. It has long contributed to that “it doesn’t cost us anything, it’s a grant” mentality, that I hear so often these days.

Actually was talking to a neighbor, a while back, about some renovations on a local government building (cosmetic renovations at that). I was opining how I thought it was a waste of money and his reply was, “It’s a grant from the State, didn’t cost us anything”. I said, “And who you reckon pays State taxes?” We see the same thing all the time at the Federal level. Shift some of the Washington spending back to the State and local governments. If people aren’t willing to be taxed at the local level for something, it might not be worth doing.

Would that solve all our problems? Of course not. It might help though.

getalife

I’m not familiar with the Civil War Monument. Somebody’ll have to bring me up to speed.

jm

April 6th, 2011
7:00 pm

Just for the record, we should be prepared for the world to be far more volatile if we pull out of Europe, Japan, the Middle East, etc.

Mary Elizabeth

April 6th, 2011
7:00 pm

From the article above:

“However, that sentiment doesn’t mean that Ryan intends to leave the tax code untouched. Among other things, he proposes to reduce the number of tax brackets from the current six, which would make the income tax flatter and less progressive. He also intends to lower the top tax bracket on individuals and corporations from the current 35 percent to 25 percent.

Inevitably, such changes would have the effect of lowering taxes on corporations and the wealthy, while shifting more of the burden to working and middle-class Americans.”

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Yesteday, on this blog I mentioned the link, below, which shows that the top wealthiest 1% have doubled their wealth in the last few decades. I asked readers to consider posting the link on their Facebook pages, to share with other readers. I will offer it again this evening and make that same request of all readers – who are so inclined.

Mick originally gave this link on this blog. I thank him for it.

http://www.vanityfair.com/society/features/2011/05/top-one-percent-201105?currentPage=all
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Also, I have heard (I cannot recall the TV source now) that if the U.S. were simply to go back to the tax rates established under Clinton – and before the Bush tax cuts were implemented – that the U.S. would decrease the deficit by the amount of trillions it is presently in debt – after 10 years.

Because of the information given in the Vanity Fair article (link above), I am rather distrustful of tax proposals made by the present Republican Party, through Ryan, which I believe have been slanted for some time to benefit the very wealthiest.

Perhaps, some readers will post it on your Facebook pages. I hope so.

jm

April 6th, 2011
7:01 pm

ok, gotta run. Purple Health Plan! (maybe, the plan’s so generic its hard to nitpick at it)

F. Sinkwich

April 6th, 2011
7:02 pm

Even the Czech Republic newspaper Prager Zeitung gets it:

“The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency…Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.”

carlosgvv

April 6th, 2011
7:03 pm

@@

I’d say the only mountain you’ve been to, and are still on, is the Republican foggy mountain.

Paul

April 6th, 2011
7:03 pm

So according to the Weekly Standard

“The reality, as Ryan’s budget notes, is that “defense spending as a share of the budget has fallen from 25 percent thirty years ago to around 20 percent today”

As the common vernacular expresses it, ‘well, duuuhhhhh”

Thirty years ago we were in the Cold War. We’d built a military to counter a Soviet (and possibly Chinese) military that were both huge and against whom (the Soviet case) there was real concern we’d end up in a shooting war.

So that’s gone and we’ve decreased Defense Dept spending by only five percentage points?!!?

Article has this gem:

“Ryan adroitly handles accusations that he is leaving a big pot of money at the Pentagon untouched by reminding skeptics that “The first job of government is to secure the safety and liberty of its citizens.”

If the Weekly Standard wasn’t carrying water for the Pentagon, they just might ask Ryan, “Rep Ryan, according to documents at the Office of Secretary of Defense, the military services have documented billions and billions of critical unfunded requirements, requirements they say they don’t have the money to address and that not meeting these requirements will cause severe mission degradation. If the first job of government is to secure the safety and liberty of its citizens, should not you increase the Defense budget by several tens of billions of dollars next year?”

Jay

April 6th, 2011
7:03 pm

Actually, Dave R., your condescension is misplaced.

If you click on the link for the 2001 Heritage study, you’ll find they predicted federal revenues of $3.3 trillion in 2011.

If you access the OMB’s budget numbers, you’ll see the actual revenues were $2.1 trillion.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
7:05 pm

Hillbilly

Good evening. Happy to see you, Sir.

Jay

April 6th, 2011
7:05 pm

Sinkwich, that’s so old Europe.

Fascinating, isn’t how, how all things European are supposed to be reviled as effete and socialistic until ….

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
7:07 pm

“Also, I have heard (I cannot recall the TV source now) that if the U.S. were simply to go back to the tax rates established under Clinton – and before the Bush tax cuts were implemented – that the U.S. would decrease the deficit by the amount of trillions it is presently in debt – after 10 years.”

Then you would be wrong again Mary Elizabeth.

From an analysis of 2008 tax data from the IRS as published in the American Thinker:”f the highest rate of 35% were raised by a factor of 20% to 42%, then the additional tax revenue would be $43.5 Billion, not much of a dent in $1.665 trillion. So, let’s raise the rate by a factor of 50% to 52.5%; the additional revenue would be $108.9 Billion. Still nowhere near enough, so let’s just tax it at a rate of 100%, bringing in an additional $404.8 Billion. Unfortunately the country is still $1.26 trillion in the hole for the year.”

We have a SPENDING problem, not a revenue problem. If you cannot accept that simple, unassailable fact, there is little use in debating this issue with anyone.

Paul

April 6th, 2011
7:07 pm

jm

“Just for the record, we should be prepared for the world to be far more volatile if we pull out of Europe, Japan, the Middle East, etc.”

Oh, I rather think we’ll find countries with regional interests stepping up. Just today, French military forces led a successful attack in the Ivory Coast. French and England stepped right up in Libya. We’re concluding another $60 billion arms deal with the Saudis. F-15s and such. If Iran’s such a threat, I’d put money on the Saudi military. It’d be kinda nice to watch the Sunnis and Shiites go at it and not be caught in the middle, wouldn’t it?

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
7:07 pm

Not too sure how much credence to put in a Czech publication called the Prager Zeitung…but, then, I am judging a book by its cover.

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
7:07 pm

Perhaps the strongest evidence against claims of widespread voter fraud is that it would make no sense. Imagine what you’d have to do to perpetrate such a scheme.

This, I have done.

Once I did that, I decided that anyone posting poutrageous stuff about “voter fraud” (i.e., on the part of actual would-be voters casting fraudulent ballots) determining US elections was either stupid or lying.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
7:09 pm

md

April 6th, 2011
7:10 pm

“How are others going to vote away their money?”

Tax increases………we have a few morally bankrupt folks in this country that think it is ok for the wealthy to pay more just because they have it……….

@@

April 6th, 2011
7:10 pm

AmVet:

Like most of the rest of us, he’s likely fed up with the unnecessary crappola bombs that have exploded around here recently.

That’s the difference between you and Hillbilly. Like an adult, he steps away…takes a breather…chooses to avoid, what he calls, the pi$$in’ contests. You, on the other hand, take great pleasure in them.

You’re as big a problem as the ones you complain about. You just refuse to recognize it.

Hillbilly will be back when HE’S ready. You come back because you can’t help yourself. You have no self-control…no self-discipline. You wanna BE the disciplinarian.

Perhaps, one day, you’ll figure it out. I’m not counting on it though. EGO is what drives you.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
7:10 pm

And there I am at the top of the page again…I gotta be more careful…the counters will be out to get me, too…

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
7:11 pm

And the Defense budget would still be about double what it was in 2001.

Along with decreasing taxes on the super-rich, and BIG business, after trickle down was already long repudiated, that is one of the most unspoken yet mind-boggling aspects about this entire fiscal debacle.

Somebody, in the pro-torture party, should be waterboarded for doing that to this nation.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 6th, 2011
7:11 pm

Just for the record, we should be prepared for the world to be far more volatile if we pull out of Europe, Japan, the Middle East, etc.

I’d agree with that to a certain extent. If we draw down in some parts of the world, which I’d be in favor of, it’d have to be done gradually, to give the European nations, etc, time to fill the void. Otherwise you’d create a power vacuum and those usually aren’t good.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
7:11 pm

voter fraud

If it was as widespread as some would like to claim, we’d have better than a barely 50% turnout…

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
7:12 pm

another howler from that Heritage projection of the fabulous benefits we’d get from the Bush Tax Cuts of the Aughts:

Proposal #5: Phase out the death tax.

Yep, that’s it. I just thought it funny that this Very Serious Organization actually calls it the “death tax.”

Jay

April 6th, 2011
7:12 pm

Your condescension toward Mary Elizabeth is equally misplaced, Dave R.

“Returning the tax rates to what they were under the Clinton boom” refers not merely to those paying the top rate, but to everybody. And there’s real money there. In the latter half of the ’90s, federal revenue ranged between 19 and 20 percent of GDP. During most of the Bush years, it was in the 16 to 17 percent range.

Bring it back up to what it was during the Clinton years, and boom — you’ve taken a massive chunk out of the deficit.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
7:13 pm

“was either stupid or lying”

Or both

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
7:13 pm

“If you click on the link for the 2001 Heritage study, you’ll find they predicted federal revenues of $3.3 trillion in 2011.

If you access the OMB’s budget numbers, you’ll see the actual revenues were $2.1 trillion.”

Jay, it becomes really tiresome to keep schooling you on the lies, damned lies and statistics thing all the time. Apparently an old dog cannot learn new tricks after all. Ya think conditions CHANGED in the 30 years since their prediction was made? The gross overspending by Congresses? 9/11? The 2008 meltdown from 40 years of liberal polices?

When are you and you lib buddies on this blog going to realize that predictions and actions of ANY group mean little when the rules and conditions change every couple of years? It is called reality, not the fantasy world of “he said this in 1990, so it must be true today” crap?

Gotcha journalism only works when the data and actions are recent.

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
7:13 pm

If we draw down in some parts of the world, which I’d be in favor of, it’d have to be done gradually, to give the European nations, etc, time to fill the void.

Yep. That’s why, among other reasons, this dirty [bleep]ing hippy isn’t in favor of massive cuts to the DoD anytime soon.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
7:13 pm

” that think it is ok for the wealthy to pay more just because they have it……….”

because, of course, you can just get SO MUCH MORE from people who don’t have it

Paul

April 6th, 2011
7:13 pm

@@

“You have no self-control…no self-discipline.”

Isn’t my fight, but I’ll gently observe anyone who goes to the gym for a strenuous workout five days a week has a modicum of self discipline. You’re a runner, so I’m sure you understand that.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
7:13 pm

@@

April 6th, 2011
7:15 pm

Oops!

Hillbilly:

Apologies for talkin’ bout you during, what I thought, was your absence.

(ISH)

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
7:15 pm

Bring it back up to what it was during the Clinton years,

if we had grown ups running our government, we would be well on our way to doing just that already, instead of continuing to dick around with snake-oil spending-cut proposals.

@@

April 6th, 2011
7:16 pm

Paul:

No self-discipline in the blog world.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
7:16 pm

Jay, in case you missed in some pot-induced haze, we’re not in the ’90’s anymore.

It is the difference between reality, and fantasy.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
7:16 pm

Dave,

It’s a gop think tank.

Of course, they guessed wrong..

Have they ever been right?

md

April 6th, 2011
7:17 pm

“Standing in his way are high unemployment numbers that are coming down, trillion dollar deficits, low approval ratings, and a public that still sees the country squarely on the wrong track.”

Along with soaring gas prices, a devalued dollar, and the more than likely higher inflation resulting from the two…..

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
7:18 pm

we have a few morally bankrupt folks in this country that think it is ok for the wealthy to pay more just because they have it…

yep, those are the first words that come to mind when I size up the character of Dwight Eisenhower: morally bankrupt.

Kamchak

April 6th, 2011
7:18 pm

Looks like another good night for a meltdown.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
7:18 pm

getalife — “GOP think tank” well theres your problem. Failure to abide by Truth in labeling.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
7:19 pm

“W. Todd Groce, president of the Historical Society, said the site was picked because it is where the burning took place”

Well, duh…

Jay

April 6th, 2011
7:19 pm

Dave, it’s not a question of fantasy. It’s a question of hard data. The issue was whether returning to the Clinton era tax rates would eliminate all or most of the deficit.

And the answer — based on math and hard data — is yes they would.

Paul

April 6th, 2011
7:19 pm

sfd

Eisenhower? Wasn’t he one of those midwestern socialists back in the 30s?

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 6th, 2011
7:22 pm

getalife

After reading the article, I don’t really see a reason for them to be upset. History is history, good or bad, and should be remembered. It’s basic human nature that every generation thinks the world started anew, with them. That’s why we make the same mistakes, over and over.

I know many times, in traveling around Georgia and other states, I’ve seen a historical marker of some sort, and it peeked my interest on a subject I knew little or nothing about. From that, I made it my business to find out what it was about.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
7:22 pm

Death tax is like ryan’s death cuts.

md

April 6th, 2011
7:23 pm

“If we draw down in some parts of the world, which I’d be in favor of, it’d have to be done gradually, to give the European nations, etc, time to fill the void. ”

I say we offer our mercenary capabilities prior to bailing out…….we’ll stick around if they pay for it.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
7:23 pm

“Wasn’t he one of those midwestern socialists back in the 30s?”

Nah…he was a Texan

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
7:24 pm

Wasn’t he one of those midwestern socialists back in the 30s?

Could be. One of my favorite podcast commentators from the left side of the aisle, Sam Seder, currently opens his show with a series of tasty soundbites from Presidents past–JFK, FDR and, of course, Ike.

(to a backing track of the Sex Pistols doing “Pretty Vacant,” live. As the good Lord intended.)

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
7:24 pm

“And the answer — based on math and hard data — is yes they would.”

Only if you don’t know math. And use faulty data. But you excel at that. See: Your FairTax series to the right.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
7:25 pm

“we’ll stick around if they pay for it.”

I’ve said that too

md

April 6th, 2011
7:25 pm

“because, of course, you can just get SO MUCH MORE from people who don’t have it”

As I said……………

How about spending only what you do have vs using the just because argument…………

Paul

April 6th, 2011
7:26 pm

Doggone/GA

(pssst…. that’s Abilene, Kansas, not Abilene, Texas. Only socialists Texas produces are ones who wear green uniforms with five stars on each shoulder…)

md

April 6th, 2011
7:26 pm

Last I checked, we ALL live here………yet so many want to focus only on the money aspect of the equation………screw choices, sacrifices, motivation, etc etc…….what a crock.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
7:27 pm

HD,

Josef taught me about the Hart that Hart county was named for.

Fascinating reading.

She tricked some British troops to surrender in our revolution.

Love that story.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 6th, 2011
7:28 pm

“we’ll stick around if they pay for it.”

There is that option. We’d have to be careful not to get caught up in their entanglements, though.

F. Sinkwich

April 6th, 2011
7:29 pm

Hi, Jay:

“Sinkwich, that’s so old Europe.”

Isn’t the Czech Republic new Europe? I believe Rumsfeld said so.

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
7:29 pm

Clearly, what we need is a 2.8% unemployment rate. Then and only then can the fairytale world of Ryan be reached via the Heritage Road to nowhereland. We simply must find that yellow brick road. I know it is around here somewhere.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
7:29 pm

“How about spending only what you do have vs using the just because argument”

Sounds good to me. Let’s stop the borrow and spend. But the bottom line is that it’s TOO LATE. We’ve borrowed our way into massive debt and we cannot cut enough spending to get back out. Sooner or later it’s going to take raising taxes.

Mary Elizabeth

April 6th, 2011
7:29 pm

Dave R @ 7:07

I would never claim to be an expert in taxes or even economics, but I do try to keep my layperson’s mind open and thinking about what is happening economically, and otherwise, in our nation. And I did hear that statement made about the deficit could be wiped out by returning to Clinton tax rates, by a reputable commentator of economics, probably on CNN.

Just googling now, here is something I have just read – I had googled “Krugman” but found only an unknown blogger. Nevertheless, I will share what this blogger said because it is worth weighing I think:

“The economic theory that Bill Clinton operated under was a Democratic party theory. Have a fair tax system which helps essential infrastructure which in turn helps grow the economy FOR EVERYONE, not just the top 2-5%. The Republican theory is that tax cuts fuel econimc growth and rich people buy enough yachts to trickle it down to everyone else.”

It does not seem to me, Dave, that much has “trickled down” to most Americans even before the Recession, so I have to question, esp. in light of the Vanity Fair article, why have so many of the very top become so wealthy in the last decades in relation to the middle/working classes, and why have so many in the middle/working class had their financial wherewithal getting worse.

Please read the Vanity Fair article. It will make you wonder, too, I do believe.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
7:30 pm

Paul

“Born in Texas in 1890, brought up in Abilene, Kansas”

http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/presidents/dwightdeisenhower

Paul

April 6th, 2011
7:30 pm

sfd

Could you please repost the link? Couldn’t get it to work.

BTW – I’ve a good-sized framed mat on my wall – letter from his son John (commanding general of 79th Division) with a dollar bill that was in Pres Eisenhower’s wallet when he passed on.

Nice keepsake

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 6th, 2011
7:30 pm

getalife

Up on Lake Hartwell there is an area called, King’s Bench. According to what locals have told me, that’s an area where Tories used to meet during the Revolution. I’m not really up on it but it makes sense.

@@

The hummingbirds, on the cam, have flown the nest.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
7:31 pm

If you ask the Czech Romany, it’s Old Europe…

md

April 6th, 2011
7:32 pm

“We’d have to be careful not to get caught up in their entanglements, though.”

Supposedly, it is designed to be an all for one and one for all arrangement…….yet when NATO voted to take over Afghanistan it became a very different equation………hope we remind the other members how they are playing the game when the shoe is on the other foot.

Mary Elizabeth

April 6th, 2011
7:32 pm

Thank you, Jay.

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
7:32 pm

pssst…. that’s Abilene, Kansas

Yep. Went there once to pay my respects.

(ok, it was an elementary school class field trip, but even at that tender age I felt honored to be there.)

Paul

April 6th, 2011
7:32 pm

Doggone/GA

Well, well… so he was!

So I guess it is true, only socialists Texas produces are ones who wear green uniforms with five stars on each shoulder!

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
7:33 pm

Kam, LOL…

GOP think tank?

Is that like military intelligence? Or jumbo shrimp? Or plastic glasses? Or voluntary regulation? Or…

At any rate, you’ve gotta laugh at Republispeak.

Only in the mangled English of the bumbling, corrupt Bush Administration is reduceing air pollution controls, pumping 42 million more tons more of mercury and other toxins into the atmosphere labeled the Clean Skies Act…

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
7:33 pm

Anyway, I’m off to focus on the Mets, whose defense just botched a routine bunt play. Later.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
7:35 pm

“so I have to question, esp. in light of the Vanity Fair article, why have so many of the very top become so wealthy in the last decades in relation to the middle/working classes, and why have so many in the middle/working class had their financial wherewithal getting worse.”

Because the rich keep doing the things that made them rich, and the middle class keep doing the things that made them middle class. And the middle class trusted a government incapable of helping them to do the work they needed to do to get out of the middle class.

And btw, what’s so wrong with being “middle class”? Our middle class is probably better off than about 85% – 90% of the rest of the world’s population. Must be all that wealth envy.

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
7:36 pm

whoops, one other thing.

Paul, here’s the link:

http://majority.fm/

if for some reason that’s not opening for you, here’s his podcast RSS feed:

http://feeds.feedburner.com/MajorityReport

md

April 6th, 2011
7:36 pm

“Sooner or later it’s going to take raising taxes.”

And that’s fine……as long as we all pitch in……..it is our mess, not the “rich’s” mess. That is where the morally bankrupt aspect comes into play.

“Just because” just doesn’t cut it………

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
7:36 pm

“So I guess it is true, only socialists Texas produces are ones who wear green uniforms with five stars on each shoulder!”

As SoCo would say: 8-O

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
7:37 pm

“as long as we all pitch in”

Certainly. Hence the idea to return to the Clinton era tax rates

Paul

April 6th, 2011
7:37 pm

Mary Elizabeth

Dr. Paul Krugman writes op-ed for the NY Times. Also teaches at Princeton. You can see his bio and many of his columns (bottom left of screen) here:

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/paulkrugman/index.html

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
7:37 pm

Taxpayer, don’t forget this:

By 2021, unemployment would hit 2.8% under their projection, well below the 5% – 6% range that the Federal Reserve considers the maximum desirable rate achievable without dangerous inflation

Of course, dangerous inflation will wipe out our debt because we can pay it with cheaper dollars (well, that might have just a few small problems, right?)

The Path to Propserity is the yellow brick road? appropriate.

Paul

April 6th, 2011
7:38 pm

thanks, sfd -

md

April 6th, 2011
7:39 pm

“if we had grown ups running our government, we would be well on our way to doing just that already, instead of continuing to dick around with snake-oil spending-cut proposals.”

I’m seeing a conflicted message sfd…………..you are in favor of stimulus spending, but not in favor of letting folks keep more of the money they earn……..what’s the difference?

everyday American

April 6th, 2011
7:39 pm

i think everyone knows you can’t spend money you don’t have. it’s really that simple.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
7:42 pm

hillbilly

Have you ever been to Blythe’s Ferry, Tennessee?

@@

April 6th, 2011
7:42 pm

The hummingbirds, on the cam, have flown the nest.

Ahhhh MAN!!!!

I’ve been checking in and out all day. The one on the left was the first to take flight, wasn’t it?

Are they ever coming back. It looks and sounds so lonely. Not even any neighborhood noises…just a gentle wind.

I need a tissue.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
7:42 pm

“i think everyone knows you can’t spend money you don’t have”

Ever charged anything on a credit card?

md

April 6th, 2011
7:42 pm

“Hence the idea to return to the Clinton era tax rates”

Which hasn’t been proposed by either party………….

md

April 6th, 2011
7:44 pm

“i think everyone knows you can’t spend money you don’t have. it’s really that simple.”

I’ve known many that don’t quite grasp the credit card concept and think they have money in the bank as long as there are still checks in the checkbook…………..

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
7:44 pm

Ike, though born in The Lone Star State lived in Kansas from before the age of two. As noted, he graduated from high school in Abilene and is considered another great (albeit quasi-) Jayhawk.

And though I voted against him, I like the hell out of another great war hero and Kansas Republican – Bob Dole.

In spite of that zany tendency to talk about himself in the third person…

Mets and Phillies?

One of the great disappointment in sports is that in games like that both teams can’t lose…

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
7:45 pm

“Which hasn’t been proposed by either party”

Not my problem. It was suggested up thread, remember? But I am convinced it will come to that in the end.

Mary Elizabeth

April 6th, 2011
7:46 pm

Dave R 7:35

Dave, our middle/working class is not what it was 30 or 40 years ago; it is now shrinking terribly. Again, if you read the Vanity Fair article, the writer explains this much better than I can.

Paul 7:37
I have followed Krugman’s thoughts for years, and know that he has received a Nobel Prize in Economics, but I was simply trying to find something – quickly this evening – to respond about returning to the Clinton tax rates. Thanks much, though! :-)

Rightwing Troll

April 6th, 2011
7:47 pm

“I’m not a small business owner YET, but I’m hoping to be one in the next 10 years or so. I fully intend to be disgustingly wealthy and retire early so that I can enjoy my money with my wife all over the world.”

Good luck with that Brother… how about you’ll spend more than you take in for 1-3 years, and then if you’re not tapped out or emotionally wiped out from the stress, then you might actually start to earn a paycheck, but it will most likely be less than your most senior employee. If you make it that far you’ve done better than 85% of your peers who had the ball$ to try it. To make it to where you profess you wish to be, well… I’d suggest buying lottery tickets… The American dream of starting small and growing something to the point of being able to retire and travel the world is dead, it don’t happen no more…

everyday American

April 6th, 2011
7:47 pm

yes, i have used a credit card. Use one every month. And pay the bill the day after it comes in. what’s your point?

Don't Forget

April 6th, 2011
7:47 pm

Heritage claimed that if the Bush tax cuts were approved, the economy would grow so quickly that by 2010, the entire federal debt would effectively be eliminated.

“We’re broke!” John,Boehner Feb 13,2001

ROFLMAO

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
7:48 pm

“Ike, though born in The Lone Star State lived in Kansas from before the age of two”

Once a Texan, always a Texan

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
7:50 pm

“And pay the bill the day after it comes in”

If you used a credit card, you spent money you didn’t have. Because if you did, you’d have paid with the money instead.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
7:50 pm

Oh, and for all you libs out there who think everybody should pay more (as long as that everybody doesn’t include you), here is the annual recap from Howie Carr of the Boston Herald on all those limousine liberals in Mass. who have the ability to pay more to help their state, but somehow never find the wherewithal to open THEIR wallets:

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view/2011_0406liberals_on_the_run_from_voluntary_tax/

F. Sinkwich

April 6th, 2011
7:52 pm

AmVet:

“GOP think tank?

Is that like military intelligence? Or jumbo shrimp? Or plastic glasses? Or voluntary regulation? Or…”

You’re a pretty funny guy.

I guess your Messiah Obama is your idea of Plato. Maybe Marx.

USMC dawg

April 6th, 2011
7:53 pm

WHERE IS THE DEMOCRATIC PLAN, JAY?

Oh Yeah, Democrats don’t do spending cuts.

F. Sinkwich

April 6th, 2011
7:55 pm

Libs don’t have a plan USMC. They just sit on the sidelines and carp.

WillieRae

April 6th, 2011
7:55 pm

Obama budget plan: “We can’t do anything”

F. Sinkwich

April 6th, 2011
7:56 pm

I think we should refer to the budget they passed for 2011 last year.

Oh, that’s right, THEY DIDN’T.

LOL

Paul

April 6th, 2011
7:56 pm

“Once a Texan, always a Texan”

Amen, Doggone?GA, Amen -

Pleasant evening, all -

md

April 6th, 2011
7:57 pm

“If you used a credit card, you spent money you didn’t have.”

Not necessarily…….many have the money yet use credit cards merely for convenience. True, they didn’t have the money at that moment in time, but it depends on the definition of “have”. I run most all of my purchases through a credit card for the free airline tickets……but pay them off every month.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
7:58 pm

But Mary Elizabeth, if the percentage of people living in poverty hasn’t statistically changed in the last 40 years according to our Census Bureau (13%-17% on average), then where are all the middle class going?

They aren’t getting poorer. The Census Bureau says so.

Ipso facto, they’re getting . . . c’mon, you can say it . . .

F. Sinkwich

April 6th, 2011
7:59 pm

“Obama budget plan: “We can’t do anything””

He can read a teleprompter!

So there.

everyday American

April 6th, 2011
7:59 pm

uh, no. i had the money. don’t it help your credit to use a card and pay it off as soon as you get the bill. at least that’s the way my dad, a democrat, taught me to get your credit over 750 and stay there. not too mention,it is convienent, not having to carry a whole lot of cash on you.

He also said, you’ve got to keep the rich man happy, if you want a job, that is.

“Ask not what your government can do for you……….”

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
8:00 pm

“many have the money yet use credit cards merely for convenience”

Which is exactly what we’ve let the government get away with. As a country we’re nowhere near “broke” – we’ve just overspent the credit card. The wealth to pay it off exists several times over in the overall wealth in this country. We’re deep in debt, we’re not broke.

@@

April 6th, 2011
8:02 pm

Ipso facto, they’re getting . . . c’mon, you can say it . . .

I’m not Mary Elizabeth, but “chewed and screwed”?

Luv’d that Boston Herald story.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 6th, 2011
8:02 pm

Have you ever been to Blythe’s Ferry, Tennessee?

No, I haven’t. Where is that at?

@@

I didn’t see the hummingbirds leave. Once they fly the nest, those little ones are gone. The adult pair will probably raise some more, though. They are in California, so I don’t know how many bunches they raise a year. Bluebirds, here, usually raise 2 and sometimes 3, though not often.

I like the hell out of another great war hero and Kansas Republican – Bob Dole.

I would recommend his book, “One Soldier’s Story”. There is very little political content in it, just his life story. He’s quite a man.

Adam

April 6th, 2011
8:05 pm

I like how Dave R used statistics from 2008 to make a point, and then on his next point decided to say that conditions changed since then making all statistics moot.

md

April 6th, 2011
8:05 pm

“The wealth to pay it off exists several times over in the overall wealth in this country. We’re deep in debt, we’re not broke.”

Except that “wealth” doesn’t belong to the gov’t……so yes, we as the gov’t are broke….or deep in debt for those that like big deficits.

Adam

April 6th, 2011
8:06 pm

And yeah Dave R, didn’t feel like reading everyone’s posts from before. Your point on Congress is noted, but I hope you recognize that it’s Congress that did that, on both sides of the aisle.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
8:07 pm

That’s what I love about ya, Herschel, your attention to detail.

Most adults only have to be told something once before they understand.

Then there is you!

The Yankees/Twinkies game’s a rain out, so I get stuck with the Phillies/Mets.

Thank gawd ESPN is also showing some of the Freak in SD…

Credit card use? It’s easy.

Use their money and pay it off as close to thirty days later as you can. Been doing it for years and years…

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
8:07 pm

“Except that “wealth” doesn’t belong to the gov’t”

It does. We let them spend it in our name, on our credit card. Now the bill is due and we have to pay it.

@@

April 6th, 2011
8:08 pm

I use a credit card for online purchases, then go into my online banking and pay it off the moment it appears. I’m not happy until that box shows $0.00. It’s like that commercial where the giant boulder is hanging over that woman’s head.

Nationwide deficit reduction is on our side.

godless heathen

April 6th, 2011
8:08 pm

The Democratic Plan is to seize every dollar and distribute them the way they see fit. Windmills and solar panels will provide free energy to everyone. The lame will walk. We will live blissfully in big city condominiums, munching organic veggies we grow on our windowsills. We will ride bikes to and fro. The climate will stay exactly the same for ever and ever. Evian water will flow through little brooks between the condos. Everything OTP will be just as it was 10,000 years ago except the lions and wolves will all be vegans so the little deers will have no worries. There will be no rich people, and therefore no poor people.

It will be wonderful – now get on board.

Adam

April 6th, 2011
8:10 pm

md

April 6th, 2011
8:10 pm

“Time growing short, Congress’ leaders reported making headway Wednesday in talks to cut spending and avert a partial government shutdown that the White House warned would hit U.S. combat troops abroad and taxpayer refunds from the IRS at home.”

Funny (not)…..when we are late paying the irs, they sure as heck don’t cut any slack on the interest and penalties……….when the shoe is on the other foot……not so much.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
8:11 pm

“I like how Dave R used statistics from 2008 to make a point, and then on his next point decided to say that conditions changed since then making all statistics moot.”

Adam, once again (and you really are a bit untrainable), reading comprehension is your friend.

In the world of statistics and projections, a 2-year difference is much more likely to show predictable results than a 30-year difference, since conditions don’t change as much in the shorter time frame. I also pointed out that little factoid to Jay, but he’s not very receptive to facts, either.

Were you asleep when they covered this in middle school, Adam?

@@

April 6th, 2011
8:12 pm

Adam:

@@ love it.

What’s wrong? Does your cougar turn in before 8:00?

(ISH)

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
8:14 pm

“Your point on Congress is noted, but I hope you recognize that it’s Congress that did that, on both sides of the aisle.”

As I have been posting ad nausem for years, Adam, even if the Dems are the bigger offenders in overspending.

Glenn Beck's Black Mistress

April 6th, 2011
8:15 pm

Would you believe it? 500+ posts per blog per day for Jay. 300+ for Cynthia. A whopping 16 for ol Wingfield :lol: And the superior intelligentsia that are the neocons here would have you think these two are “idiots”. Hmmm

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
8:16 pm

Jay is awfully quiet. There’s either a Braves game on, or he’s trying to create more phony data to try to redeem some semblance of redemption on this column.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
8:17 pm

“Would you believe it? 500+ posts per blog per day for Jay. 300+ for Cynthia. A whopping 16 for ol Wingfield :lol: And the superior intelligentsia that are the neocons here would have you think these two are “idiots”. Hmmm”

Actually, there is so much less to debunk on Kyle’s columns. We come here to school the untrainable. :D

Del

April 6th, 2011
8:18 pm

If you’re hunting something you hunt where they are.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
8:18 pm

Thanks, Hillbilly.

Along with Hagel and McCain one of three Republicans, I truly admire.

Adam, I’ve ridden several cougars.

Beginning with this beauty…

http://www.boss302.com/9f569899.jpg

md

April 6th, 2011
8:19 pm

“It does. We let them spend it in our name, on our credit card. Now the bill is due and we have to pay it.”

yes, “we”…..not “they”……..and if we try to force “them” to pay it just because “they” have it, we will eventually screw ourselves. Folks with that kind of money are not stationary……………

@@

April 6th, 2011
8:19 pm

Mistress:

First off…Is there a reason you’re black?

And the superior intelligentsia that are the neocons here would have you think these two are “idiots”.

I think it’s the pleasure they take in disCREDITING.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
8:23 pm

“yes, “we”…..not “they”……..”

Nope. ALL of us, pro-rated to economic level. “They” will have to pay more…because they have more. it might not be tomorrow, or the next day, but it will have to happen eventually.

Del

April 6th, 2011
8:23 pm

The neo-socialists seem to be running scared.

@@

April 6th, 2011
8:23 pm

If I may? In response to AmVet’s earlier post regarding the Swiss.

http://www.policynetwork.net/health/publication/how-mandatory-health-insurance-altered-swiss-health-care

A good system with much of what the GOP has promoted–predominantly private, portable, and individually owned. Insurance companies compete for enrollees.

Good up to and until the government got overly involved.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
8:23 pm

Nice Cougar, AmVet.

What do you think about the retro Challengers and ‘Cudas Dodge is putting out these days?

md

April 6th, 2011
8:23 pm

“Jay is awfully quiet.”

Must be working on Ryan parts IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX and X.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
8:24 pm

Dave, I’ve noticed that Kyle’s has replaced Wooten’s as the blogging morgue of the AJC.

I like them both, but talk about boring-ass subjects and even more boring “regulars”!

And I thought the term was liberal intelligentsia!

md

April 6th, 2011
8:26 pm

“because they have more. it might not be tomorrow, or the next day, but it will have to happen eventually.”

You must not be grasping the fact that they can afford to go elsewhere…………..wherever their little hearts desire. Why do you think corps are moving headquarters out of here?

Because they can………….

Pay up

April 6th, 2011
8:29 pm

Rich people need to pay a lot more taxes! I’m tired of my unemployment benefits running out while rich people have all the money. The government needs to increase the benefits for people, especially minorities who need a lot more money.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
8:29 pm

“You must not be grasping the fact that they can afford to go elsewhere”

Not likely. As Jay said, where would they go that they wouldn’t still have to pay taxes?

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
8:30 pm

Trickle down economics like Reagan’s 20 million new jobs?

I’ll take that trickle down economics over Obama’s trickle up poverty and day. And I imagine a lot of Georgians staring at the 10.2% unemployment rate here in Georgia would to.

@@

April 6th, 2011
8:30 pm

I think Kyle is pretty even handed when it comes to admonishing both parties. He supports conservative principles but not always conservative politicians.

jay, on the other hand, tends to overlook his own party’s faults more often than not.

I enjoy reading at Kyle’s. Don’t always feel qualified to enter the discussion. Learn a lot though.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
8:30 pm

Dave, kind alike the new “fake” Mustangs and Super Sports.

They’re cool, but they remind me of anything knock off.

Once you experienced the real deal, it’s hard to get real excited about them.

My very first car was a 1969 Camaro convertible. I was 19 and stationed at MacDill. I’m surprised I didn’t go to jail several times, but the cops were MUCH cooler back then!

But trust me, if some anonymous benefactor were to drop one off one of those “cudas in my driveway, I’d see what she could do…(But NOT on 285!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKKP_cZuk54

Kamchak

April 6th, 2011
8:32 pm

…where would they go that they wouldn’t still have to pay taxes?

Galt’s Gulch.

Del

April 6th, 2011
8:32 pm

“Must be working on Ryan parts IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX and X.”

Jay’s lost the last 3 rounds regarding Ryan’s proposed budget, so my guess is his next topic will be either Huckabee, or Romney, or Gingirich, or Palin, or Cain, or Pawlenty, or Bachman, or whoever else might possibly challenge the lefts dear leader.

md

April 6th, 2011
8:32 pm

“As Jay said, where would they go that they wouldn’t still have to pay taxes?”

Plenty of places where folks don’t think like you and Jay………….and I’m guessing they know the best of the best……as I said, they aren’t dummies……they know how to protect their assets.

The same reason all these corps have huge tax departments……they know how and where to play the game.

@@

April 6th, 2011
8:34 pm

I’ve noticed that Kyle’s has replaced Wooten’s as the blogging morgue of the AJC.

And AmVet, I’ve noticed that with YOU, everything is a competition….ERGO THE EGO!!!!

Childish? VERY MUCH SO.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
8:34 pm

“and I’m guessing they know the best of the best”

then why haven’t they moved already?

Get Real

April 6th, 2011
8:36 pm

Glenn Beck’s Black Mistress

These 2 are idiots; it just needs to be reinforced on a daily basis

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
8:36 pm

You got me there, AmVet. My first car was a 1972 VW Karmann Ghia.

Orange.

And the downside of any early VW was that you had to be moving in order to have heat flowing into the car (no fan in the system). Great car for Mass. summers, but not for the winters due to that little design flaw.

Dusty

April 6th, 2011
8:38 pm

Could we break this commotion down to something simple.

The USA has a huge deficit.

Ryan (R) wants big cuts on expenditures and low taxes. Democrats want less cuts and higher taxes.

Decide what you want. I would like to keep more of my money and decide how to spend it.

The government is bloated and its growth should not be continued. Therefore I want budget cuts, less taxes and less government.

It is not a matter of who deserves what. It is a matter of whether the government is operating wisely and it is NOT. No one fares well in a country run poorly. We see that here every day.

Congress is trying to offset the poor or non-directives of Pres. Obama. Someone has to run the country and Congress is trying to fill the empty space. I hope it works.

———————

HILLBILLY

I’m glad you are here. Like Mark Twain said” The early reports of my demise…….”. Well, you know. Sorry about the hummingbirds. I wondered if that wind the other night would blow them away. Seems probable..

Get Real

April 6th, 2011
8:39 pm

Pay up

Surely your post was a joke..right?

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
8:39 pm

Kyle makes some good arguments most of the time, but he needs to punch it up a bit. I don’t know how much of a leash he’s on with his AJC masters (being new and all), but a bit of that Howie Carr I linked to wouldn’t hurt him.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
8:40 pm

Galt’s Gulch.

Now thass funny.

Dave, one time back in the late 70s/early 80s, I was in NC on business and rented this sweet Celica. I’m standing on her pretty good somewhere between Raleigh and Winston Salem. I look up in my rear view and here’s a state trooper screaming up on me! But no sirens or lights. I’m thinking, “OK, I’m dead”. But all he does is ride my ass until the next exit about a mile up the Interstate and then gets off.

He was clearly just sending me a message. And about 20 minutes later my heart beat returned to normal!

Good times…

The Dude

April 6th, 2011
8:42 pm

until more people actually pay federal income tax, as a person in the upper tax bracket, I feel little sympathy for their cause. I was poor for about 10 years out of college, lived in a small apartment with my wife and kid and built my business from scratch. i find it pathetic that the very people that cry about taxes are the same that get money FROM the government and still find the gall to buy nice cell phones and new HDTVs.

I do not believe in trickle down economics. Lazy people believe in that. Reagan was wrong when he said it. I believe in work up economics, i.e. if you want a better life, YOU do something about it. Put your government handout hand back in your pocket.

Truly pathetic.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
8:43 pm

David Stockman: Obama Oblivious to Deficit

David Stockman, the former congressman and Reagan-era budget director, blasted President Barack Obama on Wednesday for going “radio silent” on offering genuine proposals to rein in deficit spending.

“I think it was very disappointing,” Stockman said of the speech. “It’s part of the general situation where Washington is dreamwalking and not facing the hear-and-now of this huge problem.”

On Wednesday, the Congressional Budget Office reported that this year’s federal deficit will reach an all-time high of $1.5 trillion, compared to last year’s $1.3 trillion.
————————

Idiot Messiah: Still voting “present”.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 6th, 2011
8:46 pm

md

April 6th, 2011
8:47 pm

“then why haven’t they moved already?”

Many have……..and the misfits have yet to make any changes………..when the time comes where the masses actually try to vote as you suggest, I doubt highly those folks will sit back and take it…….most smart folks with lots of money have plenty of contingency plans……or they are not very smart, and won’t keep those bucks for long.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
8:47 pm

lil bar,

“Pelosi To Headline Soros ‘Change The World’ Event…” drudge.

Your thought?

Jm

April 6th, 2011
8:47 pm

Legitimate Ryan plan criticism on fareed zakaria. Very different than some of jays criticisms.

lexis de Tocqueville once described what he saw as a chief part of the peculiar genius of American society—something he called “self-interest properly understood.” The last two words were the key. Everyone possesses self-interest in a narrow sense:

April 6th, 2011
8:48 pm

For Dave R (and others who are interested) -

Okay, here are two excerpts from the Vanity Fair article – because I don’t think you are going to read any of it, otherwise: :-)

“It’s no use pretending that what has obviously happened has not in fact happened. The upper 1 percent of Americans are now taking in nearly a quarter of the nation’s income every year. In terms of wealth rather than income, the top 1 percent control 40 percent. Their lot in life has improved considerably. Twenty-five years ago, the corresponding figures were 12 percent and 33 percent. One response might be to celebrate the ingenuity and drive that brought good fortune to these people, and to contend that a rising tide lifts all boats. That response would be misguided. While the top 1 percent have seen their incomes rise 18 percent over the past decade, those in the middle have actually seen their incomes fall. For men with only high-school degrees, the decline has been precipitous—12 percent in the last quarter-century alone. All the growth in recent decades—and more—has gone to those at the top.” (Those are the article’s opening words.)

And these words close the article:

“Alexis de Tocqueville once described what he saw as a chief part of the peculiar genius of American society—something he called ’self-interest properly understood.’ The last two words were the key. Everyone possesses self-interest in a narrow sense: I want what’s good for me right now! Self-interest “properly understood” is different. It means appreciating that paying attention to everyone else’s self-interest—in other words, the common welfare—is in fact a precondition for one’s own ultimate well-being. Tocqueville was not suggesting that there was anything noble or idealistic about this outlook—in fact, he was suggesting the opposite. It was a mark of American pragmatism. Those canny Americans understood a basic fact: looking out for the other guy isn’t just good for the soul—it’s good for business.

The top 1 percent have the best houses, the best educations, the best doctors, and the best lifestyles, but there is one thing that money doesn’t seem to have bought: an understanding that their fate is bound up with how the other 99 percent live. Throughout history, this is something that the top 1 percent eventually do learn. Too late.”

Lots of well thought through information between these excerpts, too. Check it out.

@@

April 6th, 2011
8:49 pm

Dave R:

Are you saying that Kyle needs to offer up more red meat? That’s a butcher’s job.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
8:49 pm

Hmmmm . . . Celica or some Statie with an Interceptor engine under the hood . . . .

Yeah, I’m voting the Statie. :D

getalife

April 6th, 2011
8:49 pm

“Walker’s Loss: 19 Counties Flip To Dems In Wis. Supreme Court Election” HP

Oh my.

Mary Elizabeth

April 6th, 2011
8:49 pm

The above is from Mary Elizabeth to Dave R and others. Somehow I “goofed” in translation to computer! :-)

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
8:49 pm

When combined with the payroll tax, which Ryan concedes is a surtax on earned income below $106,000, a large number of working class and middle-class Americans would probably end up paying a significantly higher percentage of their income in federal taxes than their wealthier counterparts.-Jay

Hold on now. What rational thinking person actually believes that middle class folks are going to be paying more taxes as a % of their income than the wealthiest taxpayers? At least Jay hedged himself in this probable mistruth by saying “probably” and not will or certainly. The top 1% pay something like 25% of all federal taxes, the top 5% something like 40% of all federal taxes. Does Jay really think that’s going to change much? Seriously?

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 6th, 2011
8:52 pm

The strength of Kyle’s blog, in my opinion, is that he spends more time on state and local issues.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
8:52 pm

Dave, a Karmen Ghia? Well at least they looked cool!

Two last car stories.

Another time I was in the Mississippi delta on business and am flying down this two lane highway. It was fairly flat, but there were a couple of hills. Well, lo and behold, over the crest of one comes a cop and as I go by, I can see his expression of dismay, and shonuff, he turns that thing around and comes after me.

He said, “Son, I know it’s a nice day and there’s nobody out here, but you need to slow that thing DOWN!” I, of course, said yes sir. I think the ticket cost me about $50.

After I was married a couple of years, the wife got preggers and we decided on a “family car”. Well, being the agreeable soul I am (HA!), I let her talk me into a Volvo wagon. A diesel, no less! That thing had the acceleration of a wounded snail!

I was damn near terrified of trying to merge into traffic!

Now, I just take it easy and ride in style in my sweet Q45…

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
8:55 pm

I’m a Subaru guy now, AmVet. Love the AWD.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
8:57 pm

Mary Elizabeth, if you knew anything about Alexis de Tocqueville, you’d know that he’d be rolling over in his grave right now to see how the liberal agenda has destroyed the essence of what once was America.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
8:58 pm

“when the time comes where the masses actually try to vote as you suggest, I doubt highly those folks will sit back and take it”

If voting to put tax rates back to the Clinton era drives them away…when it DIDN’T THEN – let ‘em go. They’ll just open up a hole for someone else with more sense to fill.

In case you haven’t noticed by now, I don’t panic easily.

Del

April 6th, 2011
8:59 pm

getalife

April 6th, 2011
9:00 pm

“the liberal agenda has destroyed the essence of what once was America.”

Then some say conservatism is destroying our country.

Lets check the job numbers.

D’oh somebody is lying.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
9:00 pm

lbb

One day you’re going to need a new foil besides president obama. When that time comes you might realize how much time and energy you’ve poured into your undying hatred for this president. Even if you get someone you like, it might finally dawn on you – “meet the new boss, same as the old boss”….

Jay

April 6th, 2011
9:00 pm

It’s not as far-fetched as you would prefer to believe, Doom.

For example, using IRS data from 2007, the highest earning 400 Americans earned an average of $345 million. What do you think their average effective tax rate was on that income?

Hmmm?

Source: http://www.quickanded.com/2010/02/effective-tax-rates-of-the-richest-400-americans.html

It was 16.5 percent. What was YOUR effective tax rate?

md

April 6th, 2011
9:00 pm

“If voting to put tax rates back to the Clinton era drives them away…when it DIDN’T THEN – let ‘em go. They’ll just open up a hole for someone else with more sense to fill.”

Now, you are moving the goalposts…….first the conversation was about wealth in relation to debt, now it is about just the Clinton era tax rates…….not the same thing.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
9:01 pm

We did very well under the Clinton taxes thank you very much.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:06 pm

getalife,

From the story you referred to…

[Soros} wrote a column calling for a new Bretton Woods event, to recreate the one that helped design the post-WWII economy. Only he wants this one to knock America down a peg or three.
———————-

George Soros: hero of the America-hating libbtards (aka Obozo acolytes).

Mighty Righty

April 6th, 2011
9:06 pm

Jay, you work for the wealthyist person in Georgia. Why don’t you quit and find a job working for a poor person?

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:07 pm

getalife: We did very well under the internet bubble thank you very much.
——————

Your finger must have slipped. I fixed it for you. You’re welcome.

Jay

April 6th, 2011
9:07 pm

They pay me because I make them money, Mighty. Not out of charity. It is mutually beneficial relationship.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
9:07 pm

That was some funny stuff, Hillbilly.

The funniest car I ever owned?

http://tinyurl.com/43tlf6k

Del

April 6th, 2011
9:09 pm

Is the AJC profitable?

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
9:09 pm

“Then some say conservatism is destroying our country.”

Hmmmm. The liberal agenda has been firmly in place for the last 40 years.

3, possibly 4 recessions, a dot com bust, a Wall St. meltdown. Oh, and let’s not forget $14 TRILLION in debt.

Yeah, I’ll take conservatism any day.

Jay

April 6th, 2011
9:10 pm

Yes it is, Del.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
9:10 pm

lil bar,

That is a nasty hit piece from fox opinion.

beck lived there but was fired.

Jm

April 6th, 2011
9:11 pm

Jay, economist budget guy criticisms on zakaria:

Same: no cut to defense, doesn’t fix tax revenues
Different: does nothing on social security, puts full load on medical costs albeit they r the biggest problem. Discretionary cut requests are modest considering discretionary is up 100% in last 10 years and inflation is only up 30%. Plan does nothing to help fix energy issues

Mick

April 6th, 2011
9:12 pm

del

It was interesting but why do you think it blows the left away? Both parties are complicit in the debt, the clever tactic here tries to tag all of the spending on the left, we didn’t get here overnight….

getalife

April 6th, 2011
9:13 pm

“Wall St. meltdown”

w said he never saw it coming.

Said that about many things.

Clinton was much better.

Mighty Righty

April 6th, 2011
9:13 pm

Jay, regarding ‘effective tax rates” just how many people did they employ, or caused to be employed? The Obama phrase is how many jobs did they save? To avoid taxation you must invest? There is no other way unless you are GE and have the President as your friend. I forgot, there is another way. If you are a Democrat, just don’t pay.

Jm

April 6th, 2011
9:16 pm

Braves down 2-1

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
9:16 pm

“Clinton was much better.”

Because he had a Republican House to rein him in.

Mary Elizabeth

April 6th, 2011
9:16 pm

Dave R @ 8:57 -

Just listen to de Tocqueville’s words here, Davd. And you are correct, I do not know about him from my studies. But just let his words below speak for themselves:

“It means appreciating that paying attention to everyone else’s self-interest—in other words, the common welfare—is in fact a precondition for one’s own ultimate well-being. Tocqueville was not suggesting that there was anything noble or idealistic about this outlook—in fact, he was suggesting the opposite. It was a mark of American pragmatism. Those canny Americans understood a basic fact: looking out for the other guy isn’t just good for the soul—it’s good for business.”

I, of course, think another value of “looking out for the other guy” is that it changes the dynamics in the country – beyond what can be quantified, only, with numbers – to create a synergy among all people, when they work for a common purpose, as happened in WWII – something larger than their individual needs and goals. That commonality of purpose creates a positive energy and productivity beyond simple logic. But it is real and it expands the person and the economy.

MPercy

April 6th, 2011
9:16 pm

Amplifying something I read on Boortz’s site, I present some numbers that I dug up from the IRS website on my own.

In the last year for which data is available, 2008, the highest marginal tax rate was 35%. This rate is paid on AGI above $357,700. Certainly someone with AGI over that value is in the well-to-do category, but may not be “millionaires and billionaires” (but this is immaterial to my point). According to the IRS, the number of returns that were in this highest marginal rate was 971,510. So there’s nearly a million households in this country that are, at least by the IRS bracket definition, “rich”. Not too shabby, it seems the USA is indeed the land of opportunity.

According to the IRS, the cumulative amount of AGI subjected to this highest rate was $622,765,389,000, so let’s round up to $622.8B. The taxes generated on this money is therefore $218B (the IRS reported $217,967,886,000). The overall effective rate for these returns (taxes paid / income) was 28.9%.

Let’s assume for a moment (no matter how unrealistic the assumption is) that no one affected would change a lick of their income-generating behavior as a result if we raised the top marginal rate to 100%. How much revenue would that generate? Why, all of $622.8B, if no one modified their behavior in any way that affected their income and tax impact. That is, it would generate an additional $404.8B in revenue relative to the current 35% bracket.

If you added that $404B to the revenue pot, our deficit this year would still be over $1T…

Jm

April 6th, 2011
9:16 pm

Make that down 3-1

Mick

April 6th, 2011
9:18 pm

dave r @ 9:09

Hyperbole much? I’m sure the cons had a hand or two getting us to the 14 trillion. In your earnest desire to blame libs, you reek of hypocrisy, keep your eye on the ball instead of a swing and a miss…

VOL

April 6th, 2011
9:18 pm

Kuds to Ryan. Finally a politician that says to the poor and middle class “It’s time to pay your fair share”. If you get more bang for the buck from the gubment then the poor and middle class should have no problem truning over a little more to help pay for their welfare programs. Let’s just see how much popular support there is for these programs when all are made to pay for them.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
9:18 pm

Salaries and wages, the source of income taxed at the blue line, represented only 6.5 percent of these filers’ income. Nearly two-thirds of their income comes from capital gains- from the site.-Jay’s site

Jay,

Thanks and that’s a good site. From the info it looks pretty obvious of course that their income is in the form mainly of deferred compensation that we don’t see and of course capital gains- the 15% Warren Buffet effect where the super wealthy pay less in taxes than the the ordinary person and where Buffet pays less than his secretary.

The reality there is that if you want to correct that you have to tax either wealth or raise the capital gains tax and it seems that is a different debate.

We’re talking about the 400 wealthiest Americans and in that example we all know they are going to pay little in taxes due to the capital gains nature of their earnings.

My point is that the average doctor or business owner that makes 250k-500k or more still pays significantly more in marginal tax rates than the average Joe. Still a very good source though and thanks for providing it.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
9:19 pm

Mary Elizabeth, there is nothing to argue about the basic premise. The difference is whether we do it on our own volition, as de Tocqueville always intended us to do (and we do quite well even now), or whether we are forced to do it by a gun to our backs.

In this case it is not the result, but how you get there.

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
9:21 pm

Word has it an order just went out from the White House for 17 large supreme pizzas, 6 orders of buffalo wings — and some tanning lotion.

Del

April 6th, 2011
9:22 pm

Mick,

You’re correct both parties are complicit for our financial mess but the left continues their misbelief that the solution is wealth redistribution. As it’s pointed out government spending outpaces any money we could possibly extract from the wealth producers in our country.

@@

April 6th, 2011
9:22 pm

Didn’t Tocqueville promote the individual over the state? It’s been awhile.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
9:24 pm

“Hyperbole much? I’m sure the cons had a hand or two getting us to the 14 trillion. In your earnest desire to blame libs, you reek of hypocrisy, keep your eye on the ball instead of a swing and a miss…”

Sorry, Mick, but as usual you are wrong about me. I’m probably the most consistent on this blog in laying the blame of overspending at the feel of both parties. Would that you and others could be so intellectually honest about it. The difference is that I take the extra step that few others do and look at the root cause of the overspending, which is largely the liberal agenda put in place over the past 40 years. And yes, other things have contributed to this fiscal mess, but none so much as the social programs no one is willing to touch.

Jm

April 6th, 2011
9:24 pm

Lwm :)

Consensus reality is taxes going to have to go up on everyone. It would be best to cut spending to soften the magnitude of the tax increases

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
9:24 pm

Finally a politician that says to the…middle class “It’s time to pay your fair share”.

Did I read this correctly?

I presume it is straight up sarcasm.

MPercy

April 6th, 2011
9:24 pm

Jay, the left cries when we talk about how 47% don’t pay income taxes (”They pay other taxes, you know!”). So what is the effective rate for all taxes paid, not just income taxes?

According to the CBO (http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=8885), in terms of share of all federal taxes paid (circa 2005, all federal taxes in income tax, FICA, excise taxes, etc. combined)…

The lowest quintile paid just 0.8% of all federal taxes (and -2.9% of individual income taxes), having earned 4% of the income.
The 2nd quintile paid 4.1% of all federal taxes (and -0.9% of individual income taxes), having earned 8.5% of the income.
The middle quintile paid 9.3% of all federal taxes, having earned 13.3% of the income.
The 4th quintile paid 16.9% of all federal taxes, having earned 19.8% of the income.
The top quintile paid 68.7% of all federal taxes, having earned 55.1% of the income.
The top 1% paid 27.6% of all federal taxes, having earned 18.1% of the income.

The effective tax rate for All Federal Taxes (individual income, SS, FICA, corporate, and excise):

Lowest quintile: 4.4%
Second quinitile: 9.9%
Middle quintile: 14.2%
Fourth quintile: 17.4%
Highest quintile: 25.5%
Top 10%: 27.4%
Top 5%: 28.9%
Top 1% 31.2%

Effective tax rates are total taxes paid divided by comprehensive household income.

The CBO does not report on the cumulative taxes of just 400 people.

@@

April 6th, 2011
9:24 pm

Oops! Dave R. confirmed what my memory recalled. Government regulation of the human spirit is BAD, BAD, BAD.

Mighty Righty

April 6th, 2011
9:25 pm

Jay, I am sure you earn evry penney just like the so called rich people. But Jay, the party line for Damncrats is that all earned money is taken from the poor.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
9:26 pm

**misbelief that the solution is wealth redistribution**

No, no, no, no that is your belief, what I and may others are asking for is a fairness issue. Progressive tax policy whereby the more you make, the more you pay and I’m only talking about 4 or 5% more. That would most likely only put a microscopic dent in many a portfolio….

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
9:28 pm

MPercy,

Thanks much for the info.

Jay was focusing on the top 400 wealthiest Americans who have their wealth and earnings tied up mostly in investments and your focus is on the top 1% actual earners which is in fact almost a million households.

According to the IRS, the cumulative amount of AGI subjected to this highest rate was $622,765,389,000, so let’s round up to $622.8B. The taxes generated on this money is therefore $218B (the IRS reported $217,967,886,000). The overall effective rate for these returns (taxes paid / income) was 28.9%.

Dusty

April 6th, 2011
9:28 pm

So, the AJC is making money. Is that why the print is small, the advertisements are huge and on Sunday they keep putting sections together? Must be internet riches or the back up wealth of the Cox family.

I’m glad Bookman is making all that money in mutual cooperation. He will be paying more taxes to help pay for all the stuff he advocates. Too bad he has to have a one track mind to do it.

Jm

April 6th, 2011
9:30 pm

Smaller government is better government

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
9:31 pm

Del: “You’re correct both parties are complicit for our financial mess but the left continues their misbelief that the solution is wealth redistribution.”

So many fallacies, so little server space.

Yes, both parties are corrupt (one hopelessly so, the other one having started out a pretty good kid but gone over to the dark side), but that fact tells us nothing about the notion of “wealth redistribution”, a pseudo-problem if ever there was one. Any accumulation of wealth is ‘redistribution’, Del, by definition.

“As it’s pointed out government spending outpaces any money we could possibly extract from the wealth producers in our country”

Without government, the wealth producers produce zilch. And of course, there’s no bigger wealth producer than the workers themselves.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
9:31 pm

dave r

I have never collected one red cent of assistance from this gov’t, but I’ll be damned if after paying 50 years into social security this younger generation wants to take it out of my hide for cuts – ain’t gonna happen and we have the numbers not to let it…

@@

April 6th, 2011
9:31 pm

Dusty:

The AJC’s dead tree reminds me of what I’m seeing at the grocery store. Higher prices, smaller portions.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
9:32 pm

Mick,

As MPercy pointed out in his 9:16 post if you taxes the top 1% income earners or nearly a million families at the top at a 100% tax rate and applied that taxation to the federal deficit- projected at 1.65 trillion for the FY 2011 we would still have a deficit of over a trillion dollars. The problem is spending and it is us. Taxing the top 1% of income earners is not going to solve the problem- not even close.

Del

April 6th, 2011
9:32 pm

mick, “the more you make the more you pay” You’re only talking 4 to 5% more. Well maybe you see it that way but the far-left doesn’t and unfortunately the party of irresponsibility has been taken over by those people who see it far and away beyond what you do.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
9:33 pm

“I have never collected one red cent of assistance from this gov’t, but I’ll be damned if after paying 50 years into social security this younger generation wants to take it out of my hide for cuts – ain’t gonna happen and we have the numbers not to let it…”

And since no one is suggesting that is going to happen, your poutrage is misplaced.

@@

April 6th, 2011
9:33 pm

Mick:

Do you have kids?

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 6th, 2011
9:34 pm

If Warren Buffet was really appalled that his secretary pays a lower rate than him, he could pay at the same rate as her.

He could send a check to this address.

Gifts to the United States
U.S. Department of the Treasury
Credit Accounting Branch
3700 East-West Highway, Room 622D
Hyattsville, MD 20782

http://www.fms.treas.gov/faq/moretopics_gifts.html

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
9:35 pm

Dusty, I think that Jay is underpaid on hyperbole, and overpaid on accuracy.

All-in-all, it seems to balance itself out.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
9:36 pm

doom

I never said we shouldn’t cut but at the same time we need more revenue, the tax holiday needs to end in 2012 and we all need to pony up to chip away at the deficit. At least get it going in the opposite direction – it will take both measures…

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
9:37 pm

Jm 9:24: “Consensus reality is taxes going to have to go up on everyone. It would be best to cut spending to soften the magnitude of the tax increases”

No, you don’t seem to understand. Raising taxes is off the table. Remember? :)

Mick

April 6th, 2011
9:40 pm

dave r

He gets paid to write, a craft many here think they can do. Judging from all the responses both pro and con, bookman earns his keep and then some….

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
9:40 pm

Two steaming piles in one post. Not a record for LWM, but close.

“Any accumulation of wealth is ‘redistribution’, Del, by definition.”

It doesn’t take a genius to realize that one is voluntary, and one is forced. Forced being the less effective and less desirable means.

“Without government, the wealth producers produce zilch.”

Biggest steaming pile posted in the entire day. Please tell us all how we need government in order to produce – anything.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:40 pm

Studies have shown that liberals are less charitable than conservatives. They try to make up for it by passing laws confiscating the property of others and giving it to deadbeats. Democrats facilitate the scheme in order to maintain their power.

md

April 6th, 2011
9:42 pm

,” what I and may others are asking for is a fairness issue. Progressive tax policy whereby the more you make, the more you pay and I’m only talking about 4 or 5% more.”

Fair??

Let’s take 2 comparable individuals………the first has a taxable income of 50k and he has the same earnings for 4 years…….his tax rate is 25%…..

The second guy has terrible luck and can’t get a job for 3 years and then finds one with taxable income of 200k for one year only………..his tax rate is 33%….

Two individuals making the same money over a 4 year period, and one gets to pay more tax….

How exactly is that “fair”………………

And I have yet to enter any other variables like educational debt, choices, sacrifices, etc………..

getalife

April 6th, 2011
9:42 pm

Dave,

You tried to steal ss and now doing the same thing with medicare.

You call it privatization.

Not on my watch.

Mary Elizabeth

April 6th, 2011
9:42 pm

Dave R

But, you see, I don’t feel I have a gun at my back when I want to look after my fellow man and woman. I want to do that of my own volition and as part of my government – as I did as a teacher. Nobody could have been happier in his career than I was for 35 years because bettering others nurtured my own soul and I knew I was contributing to something larger than myself, not simply taking.

I know many want to contribute to others – not through government – but in other ways, but that is a hit and miss plan with more misses than hits – for the society at large. And with that plan the dynamics of the country change, too, when so many are “left behind.” It is essentially an “every man for himself” dynamic that is dominant with giving as an after thought or after effect, and that “survival of the fittest” dominance is felt throughout every institution in the nation.

I believe the other way, of believing in the “common good,” carries its dynamic throughout the nation, also, and that it is more motivating and inspiring because it lifts rather than judges. People are, again, more inspired and positive when leaders motivate them to want to give of themselves in part to others.

TThat happened not only in WWII, but in the Civil Rights Era, and in building Detente with the Soviet Union, in working together to get a man on the moon – large events that bring us out of counting our own pennies in comparison with someone else’s pennies – that shrinks America’s vision and I believe shrinks her economy, as well, through a greed mindset.

We are capable of big and even noble ambitions in our nation and we feel better about ourselves when we follow and trust in this path. It is very hard to do today, however, because politicians of both parties are so often “owned” by big money and big corporate interests in which what I have described of another era seems outdated and even naive. But I still believe in the underlying spiritual reality of what I have said and how it subconsciously effects even our economic prosperity for all.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
9:43 pm

lbb

Who cares about studies, what do you give? That’s all that matters….

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:44 pm

Gotta love the Georgia Lottery, the only scheme where the takers “give back” to the makers!

Del

April 6th, 2011
9:44 pm

Left Wing, The problem becomes when government believes that they are responsible for economic production instead of only facilitating it. Unfortunately, our government has come to that dangerous belief.

Adam

April 6th, 2011
9:45 pm

@@: My cougar owns, wait for it, A COUGAR. lol.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
9:45 pm

md

Terrible example and not very realistic. If someone were to go from zero to 200k, that person would know how to budget, the extra 5% would be negligible…

getalife

April 6th, 2011
9:46 pm

The death panels for Social Security and Medicare are the gop.

This is another reason cons will lose.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:46 pm

Mary Elizabeth, mind your own business please.

Thanks!

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
9:46 pm

I can picture our nation’s finest pundit David Brooks is in his bedroom right now with the lights off, lying on his bed with his hands behind his head. He’s lost in reverie as he contemplates the marvelous bravery and courage of Paul Ryan, who is going to lead this great nation back to real seriousness that we can all get behind.

Thulsa: “As MPercy pointed out in his 9:16 post if you taxes the top 1% income earners or nearly a million families at the top at a 100% tax rate and applied that taxation to the federal deficit- projected at 1.65 trillion for the FY 2011 we would still have a deficit of over a trillion dollars. The problem is spending and it is us. Taxing the top 1% of income earners is not going to solve the problem- not even close.”

Reigning in health care costs will.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
9:48 pm

Mick,

I remember several years ago reading that the average social security beneficiary gets back everything they paid into the ss plus interest in 3 1/2 years. After that you’re basically on welfare and someone else is footing the bill.

Now I’m not saying that we cut the Medicare for future beneficiaries such as yourself when a promise was made. But there does have to be means testing- particularly for the wealthiest amongst us.

And while you probably won’t get screwed I certainly will since I’m only 44 and they’ve already determined that people under 55 are probably going to have to wait 2-3 more years to retire- not sure if they’ve passed that yet or if its just something that is imminent. Either way it looks like its going to happen.

That’s not fair to all of us that are under 55 that the boomers are going to bankrupt the system so that we have to take benefits at a later age.

That’s why govt sucks in my opinion. I could have done much better investing the money myself than these fools in big gubment. And now my generation will be screwed whereas other generations will have gotten their money as much as 5 years before me.

The right and moral thing to do would be to let people decide to opt out if they would like to and invest on their own. But you won’t get that freedom from these bureaucratic bungling with pompous intent politicians.

Kamchak

April 6th, 2011
9:48 pm

Lil’ Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:46 pm

Mary Elizabeth, mind your own business please.

Thanks!

If only you had heeded your own advice last night….

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:49 pm

“People are, again, more inspired and positive when leaders motivate them to want to give of themselves in part to others.”
———————-

Only the weak of mind. Fully functioning adults don’t need to elect people to motivate them. Pure garbage, ME.

Jason

April 6th, 2011
9:50 pm

Buffet,Schmidt, etc. play patsy on the tax game for the gov’t to hand them more business. Anyone remember the Goldman Sachs preferred stock “bail out” Buffet gave Goldman? Do you really think the gov’t was not involved? The best is the same Buffet places have his fortune into a foundation for the benefit of his chosen charities which eliminates 100’s of million of current federal income tax on the charitable deduction and wipes another 500 million or so of estate tax. Libs fall for that stuff hook, line, and sinker.

MPercy

April 6th, 2011
9:50 pm

You can check my numbers yourself at http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/08in34tr.xls.

In that same spreadsheet you can see that relatively little money was taxed at *any* of the capital gains rates.

In 2008, of the more than $8T in income & capital gains reported, there was $675.1B in the 15% CG rate bracket, $37.7B in the 25% CG bracket and $4.7B in the 28% CG bracket. After adjustments, the actual amount taxed was $453.8B (15%), $31.5B (25%) and $3.7B (28%).

This resulted in $57.5B, $5.3B, and $794M, or a total of about $63.6B.

Apparently, nearly all these capital gains were held by the top 400 “richest” people.

But who cares. If you could magically change the rate on CG to 50% and not have *anyone* involved change *anything* about the way they invest or allow CG to impact their taxable income bottom line, you’d generate perhaps $244.5B. Raise it to 100% and you get $489B.

If you could pull this feat off for both the 100% top marginal rate over $357,700 and get the “extra” $622B in taxes, plus raise the CG rate to 100% to get $489B and do so without negatively affecting how people earn or invest their money (and happily fork over the 100% taxes), you *still* don’t come close to balancing the revenues against the spending (can’t say “balance the budget” since there hasn’t been one in a year or so–how did Dems, who had total control of Congress and the WH not manage to pass a budget).

You’d still be short by about $400B? But you’d have stuck it to those evil rich folks, though right?

This example and my previous example should make one thing pretty clear. There is simply no way to generate (by increase taxes) the revenue to match the spending our government is churning out every day.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
9:51 pm

“Dave,

You tried to steal ss and now doing the same thing with medicare.

You call it privatization.

Not on my watch.”

I tried to steal your Social Security, getalife? When did I try to do that?

And oh, by the way, it was never proposed that current or near-term Social Security recipients were going to be affected by any attempts to save the system from fiscal meltdown, unless you’re 20 years old. You act like you’re 4 years old, but I don’t think you’re really that young.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
9:52 pm

Left wing management,

You are correct in that reigning in health care costs would help with the deficit- that and getting out of 3 wars and scaling down the military as well as many useless and duplicative govt programs.

But Obamacare will only increase costs. If you believe in the fairy tale that Obama care will then you need to take a look at real life examples of the cost of health care programs.

Forget about what you and I think and look at what medicaid and medicare originally were forecast to cost and what they originally took up out of the federal budget.

Then look at what they really ended up costing over time- especially today- and look at their share of the federal budget today. I rest my case.

Dusty

April 6th, 2011
9:53 pm

Dave R,

Did you say”it all balances itself out”??

Hmmmm….errrr…..well balanced ?….I thought we were talking about Bookman who is about as balanced as a play ground super slide. But, as he said, he gets paid to do it. Who needs journalism in its sense of unvarnished and honest standards? It has been banished for “opinion” journalism, a sad loss.

MPercy

April 6th, 2011
9:53 pm

Mick @9:31 pm dave r I have never collected one red cent of assistance from this gov’t, but I’ll be damned if after paying 50 years into social security this younger generation wants to take it out of my hide for cuts – ain’t gonna happen and we have the numbers not to let it…

I got paid $25/day for several days of jury duty over the last few years. Donated it all to the local animal shelter.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
9:54 pm

Mary Elizabeth, I’m glad you don’t feel the gun at your back.

I do.

A velvet prison is still just a prison.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
9:55 pm

“I don’t think you’re really that young.”

Dave got one right.

/Fainting couch.

Adam

April 6th, 2011
9:55 pm

LBB: Only the weak of mind. Fully functioning adults don’t need to elect people to motivate them. Pure garbage, ME.

Oh, does that mean you’ll stop that whole “Obama isn’t leading” garbage?

Jackie

April 6th, 2011
9:56 pm

Does the government provide the structure for all of us to earn a living, be it working for yourself or working for others?

Who provides the infrastructure, courts, bank regulation, money, market exchange regulations, internet, etc., etc., etc.,?

Mick

April 6th, 2011
9:57 pm

doom

I have a retirement pension to look forward to but I want my social security and I want you to get yours also. It doesn’t take much to fix it and we know what to do, first off raise the cap. I constantly hear how people could do much better on their own but there are two potential problems with that; one are the fee’s you would be paying, and second what would you do if you were retiring and needed your money in a period such as sept 08? Social security was brilliantly devised as a safety net but it gets pummelled constantly by younger cons. That’s OK because I used to say it won’t be there for me also but now that I’m nearly there I want it for all who follow and it is quite doable..

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
9:57 pm

Thulsa: “But Obamacare will only increase costs. If you believe in the fairy tale that Obama care will then you need to take a look at real life examples of the cost of health care programs.”

Well we don’t know yet. But I agree it’s nothing like it should be, because they scrapped the single payer route and passed a health reform plan that was hatched on the right and is a free-marketer’s dream.

Adam

April 6th, 2011
9:57 pm

Oh Jackie, surely you know private corporations can do all of that better! Right? Right?

getalife

April 6th, 2011
9:58 pm

“Mary Elizabeth, I’m glad you don’t feel the gun at your back.

I do”

Paranoia going to destroy you.

Are you going to miss beck?

Adam

April 6th, 2011
9:58 pm

I don’t want to have to have social security. The way things are going I won’t need it. But I don’t mind putting in my taxes for those who do need it.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 6th, 2011
9:58 pm

I remember several years ago reading that the average social security beneficiary gets back everything they paid into the ss plus interest in 3 1/2 years.

You also have to remember that dollars paid into Social Security in the 40’s, 50’s and 60’s were worth more than today’s dollar.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
9:59 pm

getalife

April 6th, 2011
9:46 pm
The death panels for Social Security and Medicare are the gop.

This is another reason cons will lose.-getalife

So are the republican death panels a real thing backed up by a link? Or is this just your OPINION- in other words ridiculous rhetoric backed up by ZERO FACTS.

Del

April 6th, 2011
9:59 pm

H.D. Glad to see you back for what it’s worth from this old Marine.

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
10:00 pm

Adam: “I don’t want to have to have social security. The way things are going I won’t need it. But I don’t mind putting in my taxes for those who do need it.”

Atta boy. That’s my commie pinko comrade talking! :)

MPercy

April 6th, 2011
10:00 pm

It has been common of late for certain rich folks, like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates, Sr. to advocate higher tax rates. And yet, many of these same folks just jumped on Bill Gates, Jr.’s cause celebre and are giving away large fractions of their wealth–but not to the government.

What Mr. Gates & Mr. Buffet, et al. are doing is merely acknowledging that they would rather *not* have their money going into the bottomless void of Government, despite their rather public (esp. Mr. Buffet) protestations about how little they pay in taxes and how taxes should be higher.

If they truly believe that, then they should have simply allowed their fortunes to be pillaged by the Government at the time of their death. The creation of the Foundation is contradictory to their professed love of Government as the solution to all problems.

They didn’t do it to save a few million or even billion on their taxes, they simply don’t actually trust the Government with their money.

@@

April 6th, 2011
10:01 pm

Adam:

@@: My cougar owns, wait for it, A COUGAR.

You’re dating a lesbian? A bisexual?

It gets curioser and curioser.

Mary Elizabeth

April 6th, 2011
10:01 pm

Well, I’ve said enough of my thoughts for tonight. Goodnight to all. I hope you each have a good evening. And thanks for no insults, of any significance! A much more pleasant evevning, and I think I was better in my deportment, too, if I do say so! :-)

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
10:01 pm

“Are you going to miss beck?”

I think I watched maybe 3 of his shows. Unlike you, I can think for myself.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 6th, 2011
10:01 pm

Adam

April 6th, 2011
10:02 pm

@@: I WISH I was dating a bisexual. Those are so much more fun because we can eye down women TOGETHER and I don’t get b*tched out. As it happens, this one likes to b*tch me out on that one haha.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
10:03 pm

Hillbilly deluxe- you may have read to quickly but the report I read said including accrued interest. I’ll have to look it up some time. But I have seen various mathematical illustrations showing that the return on one’s dollar with the ss system is 1%.

Even if you invested in something ultra safe like bank cds the math is clear- you come out better ahead with your money if you would have had the option to invest it on your own.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:05 pm

doom,

w’s failed ss policy and ryan’s death cuts.

Never doubt me doom.

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
10:05 pm

Having just been told by Mike Pence that the Democrats actually secretly desire a government shutdown, a whipped up crowd immediately broke into chants of “Shut – it – down!! Shut – it – down!! Shut – it – down!!”

Crowds aren’t much for irony. But Left Wing Management is.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
10:06 pm

Off for the evening. I can’t wait for part 4 of Jay’s fiction series tomorrow ! ;)

Kamchak

April 6th, 2011
10:06 pm

Adam

TMI

Just sayin’.

Jackie

April 6th, 2011
10:07 pm

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:07 pm

“Unlike you, I can think for myself.”

You tow the party line.

Del

April 6th, 2011
10:08 pm

Taps…y’all have a great evening.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
10:08 pm

The Beckerhead was just the latest in a long line of talking head snake oil salesmen.

Like televangelists and carnival barkers they make their living off of the naive and easily duped.

Trust me, they’ll find another one to replace him…

Adam good for you!

Just know there are risks…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VshBT5Ua4uo

killerj

April 6th, 2011
10:10 pm

Good,not to mention all the people with no homes because of misappropriate of funds for the past 30 years because of liberal views like yourself jay,shut it down,it,s best for the majority,less Government mean,s more money in my pocket,thats what its all about right ? ………Go Tea Party.

@@

April 6th, 2011
10:10 pm

Adam:

Okey Dokey! Just don’t go beyond the 10 year gap. All women, regardless of sexual preference, are capable of being mothers. Moms dating men young enough to be their sons is just ICK–imo!!

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 6th, 2011
10:11 pm

Thulsa

That isn’t what I meant. One 1950 dollar would buy what would cost $8.33 today. The purchasing power of the 1950 dollar was worth approximately 8 times what todays dollar is.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
10:12 pm

“the conversation was about wealth in relation to debt, now it is about just the Clinton era tax rates…….not the same thing”

When did I say it was? Unlike some, I am actually capable of discussing more than one thing at a time..and something as complicated as our economy cannot be narrowed down to a bumper sticker

USMC dawg

April 6th, 2011
10:13 pm

Adam

April 6th, 2011
10:13 pm

AmVet ahahahahaha!

@@: I don’t mind a little attention. I do mind being told to grow up and what to do with simple decisions.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
10:14 pm

Mick,

Yes. You’re right. SS could be fixed with a couple simple changes. And as a con I do agree that we should take the cap off the FICA tax asap.

The fees you would pay to manage your own money pale in comparison to what you would earn- and besides Congress could cap what financial svc firms could charge in fees.

SS was indeed designed as a safety net only but there are too many people who think its supposed to be their retirement.

And I disagree that it was brilliantly designed. The framers of it should have had enough common sense to know that demographics change and that as societies advance that people would be living longer and retiring earlier.

Mongo

April 6th, 2011
10:15 pm

The little GOPiggies better get ready for the backlash…here it comes.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
10:16 pm

dusty

It’s kind of comical to read you and dave r slamming ole jay bookman, last I heard he wasn’t forcing anyone here or demanding that they follow lockstep with his perspective. There’s both an art and science to crafting words into a column, in my opinion bookman is in the top tier of his profession. Many keep asking why I’m here if I live in miami, simple the miami herald does not have a columnist of bookman’s caliber. Hiassen is good but only writes a sunday column. I’ve been reading a newspapers cover to cover ever since the dolphins went undefeated in 72. The AJC is a pretty good read…

@@

April 6th, 2011
10:16 pm

The purchasing power of the 1950 dollar was worth approximately 8 times what todays dollar is.

That’s because of all the funny money floating around out there…..somewhere.

(IW&SH)

I’m off.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:18 pm

YEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We’re well over 500 comments!!!

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:20 pm

Looks like the left wingers are arguing over some very stupid subjects.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:20 pm

I think beck getting fired is a win for the Pros (Progressives) and another loss for the cons.

Pros vs cons.

Score one for the Pros.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
10:20 pm

doom

As I’ve said before, once us boomers die off, that big curve will be eliminated. As far as medicare goes, that is the 800lb. gorilla in the room. That is where I definately don’t want to burden the younger folks because it is not sustainable in present form…

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
10:20 pm

I hear someone in the background making nose about Beck. I think I’ve watched bits and pieces of 3-4 of his shows and that’s about it. He kinda bores me.

But what I always take notice about his detractors saying things like “The Beckerhead was just the latest in a long line of talking head snake oil salesmen.Like televangelists and carnival barkers they make their living off of the naive and easily duped.”

The reason I take notice is that not one time have I even seen any of his detractors provide tangible, specific proof of Beck giving lying or false info. Not once have I seen it. A lot of hyperbole over what the man says but no specifics as to why he’s wrong- just rhetoric. And you know what they say- boolsheet walks.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:20 pm

Adam: Oh, does that mean you’ll stop that whole “Obama isn’t leading” garbage?
——————–

Of course not. He’s not leading on anything. He’s a punter.

Oh, and you do understand the difference between leading a government and its bureaucrats, and motivating/inspiring people, right?

Worthwhile people are motivated and inspired by great things and great people. Not by government tools.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
10:22 pm

“because it is not sustainable in present form…”

No, it isn’t…but I wouldn’t be surprised if it isn’t, ultimately, a single-payer system that “fixes” it.

RW-(the original)

April 6th, 2011
10:23 pm

Just don’t go beyond the 10 year gap

Is it OK to go beyond that limit in the other direction? :-)

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:23 pm

“I think beck getting fired is a win for the Pros (Progressives) and another loss for the cons.”

Even with Beck leaving FOX, PMSNBC is still trailing in every category. Is CNN still around?

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
10:23 pm

getalife,

Not sure about Beck but I think he quit voluntarily. In any event he’s not going away so don’t get too excited. He’ll be out there exposing liberalism soon enough.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:23 pm

“As far as medicare goes, that is the 800lb. gorilla in the room. ”

Oh, so now we’re discussing Micheal Moore.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
10:24 pm

lbb

I used to punt back in the day. If I did my job correctly and nailed the punt, the defense would take care of the rest.

Trendy Times

April 6th, 2011
10:25 pm

Some trends show up over a short time or spatial horizon while others take a longer time or greater displacement in order to observe them. An obvious example would be the rotation of the earth about its axis versus it orbit about the sun. Another would be the roughness of a surface versus its waviness.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:25 pm

Thulsa Doom

Beck didn’t get fired. I love how the left wingers are salivating over Beck leaving. Guess they don’t realize that O’Reilly and Hannity are still destroying everyone at PMSNBC.

Oh, and Rush still averages 40 million listeners per week.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
10:26 pm

**Rush still averages 40 million listeners per week.**

More like 14 million, still very impressive…

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:26 pm

HILARIOUS!!!!!

New Jersey Governor Chris Christie Calls His State’s Teachers Union ‘Political Thugs’

MPercy

April 6th, 2011
10:27 pm

Speaking of Warren Buffet and his complaints about not being taxed enough…

Mr. Buffet has arranged to donate 85% of his fortune to charity (the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation). The donation to the Foundation will alleviate Mr. Buffet from paying, literally, billions of dollar in taxes. These are taxes Mr. Buffet has worked to avoid in structuring his gift the way he has.

What has Mr. Buffet avoided? I’m not a tax specialist of any sort, but let’s consider if he had simply died today with his holdings intact (i.e., had he not given the money before he died). His estate tax this year would amount to over $13B (35% times $37.4B). That’s $13 not going to the Treasury due to Mr. Buffet’s keen tax avoidance strategy.

Mr. Buffet also has shorted the taxman by donating appreciated stock. This is an assumption on my part, but it known that the majority of Mr. Buffet’s wealth is represented by his ownership of Berkshire-Hathaway stock, on which he has huge unrealized capital gains, so I have assumed he made his donation by donating that appreciated stock directly, as this has the effect of minimizing Mr. Buffet’s taxes.

By donating the appreciated stock, Mr. Buffet avoids paying capital gains taxes on a large part of that $37.4B. I once tried to estimate Mr. Buffet’s basis in BRK from SEC filings, but I can’t locate my numbers now (switched to a new computer and need to sort through the backups). Let’s say his basis is half (it was much smaller than that, I do recall that). Had Mr. Buffet simply sold his stock, paid the CG taxes, and donated the remainder, he would have paid nearly $3B (again, this is very conservative).

But it’s even better. By donating appreciated stock, Mr. Buffet gets to claim the appreciated amount on his taxes, so he gets a $37.4B deduction against his other earnings. There are limitations on this of course, but you get the idea.

Why did Mr. Buffet go to all this effort to avoid paying all these taxes? Clearly he believes that maximizing his donation to the charity is a more effective use of his money than had the government been given their cut.

So, Mr. Buffet: from one lowly worker bee paying a higher rate than you (claim to pay) please shut up about your too low tax rates. You had plenty of chances to pay more, and did everything in your power to avoid doing so. You don’t want the Government to have more of your money than I do.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:27 pm

“More like 14 million, still very impressive…”

LOL!!!!! I guess Mick can’t comprehend 40 million.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
10:27 pm

Mick, hysterical huh?

These rude ingrates insult the host all the time. I presume their mommas didn’t raise them right.

Well, for once, my timing is perfect.

Now that the auto-responder is here, I’m out. Got a very early start tomorrow…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EoQVaQGXmM

Mick

April 6th, 2011
10:28 pm

**New Jersey Governor Chris Christie**

Speaking of 800lb gorilla…

Trendy Times

April 6th, 2011
10:28 pm

NOW the Republicans want Obama to lead them around by their noses. Works for me. Obama presented a budget and since the Republicans want him to lead them, they simply need to accept what he has already given them.

lynnie gal

April 6th, 2011
10:28 pm

The current crop of hard right wingers is balls to the wall all-out attack on everyone except the rich and corporations now. Let’s see–first they attack blacks, then gays, then hispanics, then muslims, then teachers, then police and firemen, then college professors, and now elderly, in addition to their usual hate for liberals and the poor, the environment and science. I guess next they’ll go after people’s pets.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:29 pm

“These rude ingrates insult the host all the time. I presume their mommas didn’t raise them right. ”

tick…..tick…..tick……..

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:29 pm

“Let’s see–first they attack blacks, then gays, then hispanics, then muslims, then teachers, then police and firemen, then college professors, and now elderly, in addition to their usual hate for liberals and the poor, the environment and science. ”

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!

Mick

April 6th, 2011
10:29 pm

wow

Got a source for that 40 million?

Trendy Times

April 6th, 2011
10:30 pm

Who’s Beck. Didn’t he play guitar or something in a 70s band.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:31 pm

Put down the Koolaid, lynnie.

Trendy Times

April 6th, 2011
10:32 pm

Guard your koolaid, lynnie. I think Lil’ Barry Bailout may be eyeing it.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:32 pm

That Kloppenburg is one angry b^tch!

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:33 pm

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:34 pm

The Pros got beck and walker fired in the same day.

cons lose lil bar.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:35 pm

Kloppenburg looks like Uncle Leo after Elaine drew in his eyebrows with a Sharpie.

MPercy

April 6th, 2011
10:35 pm

getalife @10:20 pm I think beck getting fired is a win for the Pros (Progressives) and another loss for the cons.

Seems to me to be completely consistent with Conservative values. Mr. Beck’s job was to draw viewers to the network. His audience is down nearly 50% from its high of 2.2M viewers a little more than a year ago. He is not doing his job as well as his employer expects, so when his contract comes to an end, both sides have determined that he needs to find other employment.

As it should be.

Or would you prefer he goes crying to a union? Or sue?

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:35 pm

wow,

rush?

Seriously?

Are you trying to be funny?

Mick

April 6th, 2011
10:36 pm

wow

That’s not a source, just his warped webpage which I scan daily, sometimes its downright humorous but most of the time it’s just pig headed stupid….

Billings

April 6th, 2011
10:36 pm

It’s sad when all the libs have to celebrate is GB’s departure.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:37 pm

“That’s not a source, just his warped webpage which I scan daily, sometimes its downright humorous but most of the time it’s just pig headed stupid….”

Your problem, not mine.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:37 pm

MPercy,

beck had no advertisers because the Pros waged war to end them.

The Pros won.

It is obvious.

Admit it.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
10:37 pm

**It’s sad when all the libs have to celebrate is GB’s departure.**

How can one celebrate something they never watch?

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:38 pm

“How can one celebrate something they never watch?”

So why are the left wingers writing about him?

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:39 pm

Not sad for the Pros.

Winning.

Duh.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
10:39 pm

Hasta la vista baby…..

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:40 pm

I won’t be baaack.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:40 pm

“Not sad for the Pros.”

getalife, there’s a remedial English class with your name on it.

MPercy

April 6th, 2011
10:40 pm

According to the AJC last year:

For the fourth year in a row, Rush Limbaugh is the most influential radio talk show host, according to Talkers magazine.

Limbaugh draws at least 15 million listeners a week. He remains the top-rated show on 640/WGST-AM. He’s had a field day going after Pres. Obama and the Democrats this past year. And he continues to be influential without the benefit of Fox News, which has fueled the growth of No. 2 host Sean Hannity (14 million weekly radio fans and two to three million viewers per night on Fox News) and No. 3 host Glenn Beck (9 million-plus listeners on radio and two to three million viewers per night on Fox News).

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:41 pm

“According to the AJC last year:’

There’s your sign.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:41 pm

Come on wow.

Pros vs cons.

That is original stuff.

Trendy Times

April 6th, 2011
10:42 pm

GB’s departure. George Bush has been gone since ‘08. Try to leave him in the past where he can do no more damage to the USofA.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:42 pm

Has Rachel Madcow decided if she’s a man or a woman? He/She dresses like a teenage boy.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:43 pm

Whatever happened to Keith Olbermann?

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 6th, 2011
10:43 pm

MPercy @ 10:27

Well said. I’m currently reading a biography on Andrew Carnegie and I find a lot of parallels between him and Warren Buffet.

Carnegie was giving away his fortune, with great fanfare, while cutting the pay and increasing the hours of his employees. His testimony in the 1912 anti-trust suit against U S Steel Corporation was pure fantasy.

Nite all.

Dusty

April 6th, 2011
10:44 pm

Mick,

Back somewhere you expressed your devotion to Bookman. It is true he knows how to stir up a fuss on a blog. It is an art for him, words out of context, selective comments without followup, facts & graphs from liberal sources, and the use of “idiots” to describe anyone of differing opinions. He is the love of liberals because of his one view direction and he never fails you.

He has killed the old idea that “you know it is true because you read it in the news”. It aint so with Bookman. What you read is one sided blog-stirring liberalism and that is what you like.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:45 pm

Dusty

The Braves are losing. What’s up with that?

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:45 pm

Obama using the bully pulpit again.

He works long hours.

Trendy Times

April 6th, 2011
10:47 pm

The Braves are losing.

And you read it here first on the Bookman blog. The blog where you can go for the truth, no matter how much it hurts.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:47 pm

Well, looks like the left wingers left.

Night all.

MPercy

April 6th, 2011
10:49 pm

getalife @10:37 pm MPercy, beck had no advertisers because the Pros waged war to end them.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen his show, so I’m not defending on any sort of fanship. But I never said anything about advertisers. I said he lost *viewers*. You think progressives got viewers to tune out, too?

But speaking of advertisers, “Among the advertisers to pull spots from the popular cable talk show are Geico, owned by Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.A 122,724, -376.00, -0.31%) (BRK.B 81.99, -0.05, -0.06%) ; Procter & Gamble (PG 61.76, +0.09, +0.15%) ; Sargento Cheese; and Progressive Insurance (PGR 21.46, +0.01, +0.05%) , according to the companies and Color of Change, one group that is organizing a campaign against the program.”

Given the notable left-leaning ownership of some of these companies, why were they advertising on his show in the first place? I guess they were not too proud or too anti-conservative or too anti-capitalist to ride his coattails to put their products in front of the viewers he once drew in an effort to increase their own profits.

Again, seems quite in line with Conservative principles.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:52 pm

Wow,

Main Entry: acerbate
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: exasperate
Synonyms: aggravate, annoy, disturb, perturb, provoke, rattle one’s cage
Main Entry: anger
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: make someone mad; become mad
Synonyms: acerbate, affront, aggravate , agitate, annoy, antagonize, arouse, bait, blow up, boil over, boil, bristle, burn, burn up, chafe, craze*, cross, displease, egg on, embitter, enrage, exacerbate, exasperate, excite, fret, gall, get mad, get on one’s nerves, goad, incense, inflame, infuriate, irritate, lose one’s temper, madden, make sore, miff, nettle, offend, outrage, pique, provoke, raise hell, rankle, rant, rave, rile, ruffle, seethe, steam up, stew, stir up, tempt, umbrage, vex ”

That is you.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:53 pm

Reid looks old, tired, and beat down. Boehner looks fit and ready to fight for the American people.

Obozo looks like his usual ignorant, smirking self.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:54 pm

Good mercy percy,

He called the President a racist.

Take some personal responsibility and admit it.

It will not hurt.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:56 pm

lil bar,

Looks?

You can do better con.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
10:58 pm

“You can do better con”

Don’t ask for the impossible…especially this late at night

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:59 pm

Just giving my impression of the just-concluded press conferences with the three. To sum up:

Reid: Loser.
Boehner: Strong defender of the American people’s interests.
Obozo: Clueless punter.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
11:01 pm

Sounds partisan bar and weak.

Get some sleep and hope you find a job soon.

Bless your poor bitter heart.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
11:04 pm

I don’t need a second job, geta. The one I’ve got pays OK, heh heh.

Midori

April 6th, 2011
11:04 pm

I saw the complete opposite – Boehner looks like a scared, frightened, out-of-his-league puppet.

He’s scared to death of offending the tea nuts.

And it’s funny as h$ll :lol:

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
11:07 pm

Regardless of how it turns out, spending is by damn going to get cut. And that’s a win for Americans.

Midori

April 6th, 2011
11:10 pm

regardless of how it turns out, the top 1% will bleed us dry even more, which is a win for them.

especially when they are aided and abetted by their ignorant, repulsive cheerleading sheep — who they have taught to love, envy and support them. No matter the cost to them.

MPercy

April 6th, 2011
11:13 pm

getalife @10:54 pm Good mercy percy, He called the President a racist.

So? He’s not entitled to his opinion? I’ve seen hundreds of postings on Jay’s blog alone since the beginning of this year where someone is calling someone else racist. Usually it’s someone arguing from the left calling someone arguing from the right a racist. It’s often a very unfair slur, albeit not the worst one thrown around.

And, again, it seems to me perfectly reasonable that advertisers ditched him for what he said. It’s his right to say it, it’s their right to ditch his show, and it’s Fox’s right to not renew his contract. All as it should be.

All very capitalistic and conservative sounding to me.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
11:25 pm

Good point Midori.

Bad spin Percy.

Jefferson

April 6th, 2011
11:26 pm

This cat Ryan is an idiot if he thinks that will go anywhere. Americans want services from the gov’t, thats what taxes are for.

Adam

April 6th, 2011
11:43 pm

On Beck’s departure, that just means someone in power at Fox News Channel has a brain. As for the whole ratings thing, having MSNBC trailing by ratings means nothing, if it’s still the second highest rated network. That means it’s still got viewers, plenty enough of them. It also means more people get brainwashed onto the conservative/Tea Party side than on the liberal side.

How’s that liberal media meme working out for ya?

TnGelding

April 6th, 2011
11:51 pm

I stopped taking him serious when he said it would pay off the debt. The nation will always be indebted to Mr. MBA/USA and the Gypper.

TnGelding

April 6th, 2011
11:55 pm

Maybe we can get some whitewash and a toupee for Obama so he’ll be acceptable to some here. That’s not to say I’m pleased with his performance.

Bookman's Brain

April 6th, 2011
11:56 pm

Scamulus trick didn;t trickle down either did it jay bob

TnGelding

April 7th, 2011
12:10 am

The stimulus worked just as expected.

Get Real

April 7th, 2011
12:32 am

Midori…you should by a new TV as the one you have obviously has a bad picture if that is what you saw..

Get Real

April 7th, 2011
12:35 am

TnGelding “The stimulus worked just as expected”

What??? Stop drinking now, it is too late for that as it is apparently affecting your cognitive reasoning skills….

Get Real

April 7th, 2011
12:36 am

Adam rrrrright; NOT

Gandalf, the White

April 7th, 2011
4:34 am

At least Ryan has a plan, much more than Barry!

Gandalf, the White

April 7th, 2011
4:39 am

Barry is off running for President again, so let the lies begin. How many lies did he tellL
Close GITMO..
get us out of Iran and Arghanistan..
Recovery would keep unemployment less that 8%…

Any one who still supports him is either an idiot or socialist that wants the country to fall..

Dave R.

April 7th, 2011
5:49 am

And for those who continue to mindlessly defend public sector unions, this little ditty:

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2011_0407dock_scammers_still_on_payroll/srvc=home&position=0

Dave R.

April 7th, 2011
5:53 am

TnGelding: “The stimulus worked just as expected”

Yep. Just as badly as the adults expected it would.

stands for decibels

April 7th, 2011
5:56 am

the headline reads: Obama, Congressional Leaders Narrow Differences, Still No Agreement

I believe that’s Beltway-speak for “You’re gonna get rolled big-time, America.”

stands for decibels

April 7th, 2011
6:02 am

probably just paranoid, but I’ve heard the theory advanced that all this political theater is just a prearranged bit to set us up for what the two main guys from the Catfood Commission wanted to do to us a few months back.

Ryan was sent out there to push an absurdly extremist approach so that Simpson and Bowles would seem “reasonable” and less baldly fraudulent, perhaps.

Alternative theories are welcome.

AmVet

April 7th, 2011
6:06 am

“At least Ryan has a plan…”

Yes he does, faux wizard. Right out of the1980s. More voodoo economics and welfare for the wealthy.

Because it worked out so swimmingly for the middle class last time!

And you slogan spouters and Republisheep are gonna fall for it once again. Amazing. Too bad your kids and your neighbors always end up paying for your naivety and ignorance.

http://tinyurl.com/j9dkc

Dave R.

April 7th, 2011
6:22 am

AmVet, all this poutrage concerning the “middle class”.

I’ll ask the same question from last night. If our own benighted government Census Bureau says that the poor haven’t increased as a percentage of population in about 40 years, and many claim the “middle class” is shrinking, WHERE DID THEY GO?

Only one direction, AmVet.

And it ain’t down.

So, is our government mistaken? Are they lying to us? Or is all this faux poutrage over something manufactured just that?

Dave R.

April 7th, 2011
6:32 am

Oh, and one other note about those living in poverty.

After 40 years of social engineering, tinkering with our economy and unspeakable government deficits and debt, all in the name of “rising all boats”, the percentage of poor hasn’t decreased?

Good job!

It’s high time for the grown-ups to be in charge. Step one, November 2010. Step two, 2012.

AmVet

April 7th, 2011
6:40 am

An early good morning, Dave!

I’ve got to head out in a few minutes, so I’ll make this brief.

For the umpteenth time:

A huge percentage of American workers – nearly three out of four – make less in adjusted inflation dollars than they did three decades ago. Though their productivity has doubled.

We are the very first generation of Americans who as a majority answer no to the question, “Do you have it better than your parent’s generation?”

There are record numbers of middle class personal bankruptcies. The biggest reason? Catastrophic medical expenses.

There is massive unemployment and even greater under-employment. Not just companies, but entire industries and career paths have been outsourced to dirt-cheap labor overseas.

The chasm between the haves and have nots in America is wider than it was during even the Great Depression. And the disparity is getting bigger every day.

A relatively small handful of people (20%) now own 84% of the wealth in this country. At this rate, it is going to be 10% owning 94% of the wealth.

Nearly 80% of Americans believe corporations have too much control over their lives and over our government.

These are the facts and they spell more disasters like the one that brought us to the brink of ruin in September 2008.

We now live in de facto and de jure plutocracy.

The corporate destruction of capitalism.

Have a great morning, I’ll check back in later…

Whaheema

April 7th, 2011
6:41 am

Imagne your budget were 1600 out of balance. Your credit cards will soon be maxed out. If interest rates rise, your problem will get much much worse. So all the dems can cut is 4 bucks. They should all resign and let grown ups run the country.

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
6:54 am

unemployment 2.8% … baaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha …

“I’ll have what he’s having”

Bo Doodley

April 7th, 2011
7:00 am

….more Bookman hooey is more like it.

stands for decibels

April 7th, 2011
7:10 am

reprinted in its entirety (all five paragraphs, which is one more than I typically allow myself) because it needs to be seen, here.

———————-

If you’re a Democrat in Congress, yeah, you’re probably appalled by Rep. Paul Ryan’s savage budget proposal (or you oughta be). But in your gut, there’s gotta be this little acid burn, this ember of envy, that, with the support of his leadership, Ryan just went balls out for the [stuff] that Republicans believe in. Because you know what would have happened if the situation was reversed.

If a Democrat had proposed a budget that radically cut the military, raised the top tax rate by nearly a third, ended all the wars, created a national health care system through a new payroll tax (thus relieving businesses of a huge financial burden), expanded EPA and food safety enforcement, and jacked up discretionary spending on education, scientific research, and more, and still yielded trillions of dollars in long-term savings, and then explained the document by saying, “This isn’t a budget. This is a cause,” do you think that that Democrat would have been hailed as “courageous” by any Republicans? Do you think that anyone in the media would have taken the thing seriously? Don’t be [bleep]ing stupid. What would have happened is that most Democrats would have run away like beaten bitches afraid of Rush Limbaugh’s switch, Republicans would have called it “un-American” and “the mostest radicalest budget that anyone has ever put out in the history of forever” and taken the word “cause” to mean “Marxist rape of your children,” and Fox “news” would have gone to TardCon 5 in demonizing everything: “Do you want the government telling you what diseases you can have? Do you want Barack Obama to decide how much [excrement] should be on your chicken?”

Paul Ryan’s budget is not a serious document. It is, instead, a few pages of dried ejaculate on paper. It is a wishlist out of every conservative wet dream, and, as such, it is ballsy just how brazen it is. If nothing else, you can’t say in the future that Republicans didn’t warn us. Ryan’s plan, his “Road Map,” sets the bar so low that it pretty much guarantees that Democrats will be negotiating away many of the programs they worked on for decades and then declare victory because they didn’t give in to everything Republicans wanted.

A decent comparison would be to imagine that you have grown a beautiful apple tree, but your neighbor wants it down so he can see the factory on the hill better. You say that you can trim the branches. He offers to cut down the tree, burn down your home, and kick you in the nuts. If you’re a Democrat, you figure if you can convince your neighbor not to kick you in the nuts, it’s a victory. If you’re a Republican, you say, “No, I’m still gonna kick you in the nuts.” If you’re Barack Obama, you offer your ass instead.

Instead of being treated like some brave hero facing the “real” problems in the nation, Paul Ryan should have been burned in effigy across America yesterday.

Normal

April 7th, 2011
7:21 am

Stands,
Good post…and true.
————————————-

Good Thursday morning all y’all…
Today’s history headlines…it was a good day in history for our Navy. This day in 1776, they captured their first British warship ever and in 1945 on this day the USN sank the battleship Yamato…

Also in the news on this day 1862 the Battle of Shiloh concluded, being the worst loss of life to date.
———————–

Now to the point of it all, as Jay’s post proves…

http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/04/06/funny-pictures-life-does-imitate-art/

Please notice the face of the imitator… :)

seabeau

April 7th, 2011
7:26 am

If I’m correct I believe this type of plan(trickle-down) worked for Prez. Ronald Rayguns.

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
7:40 am

Normal – great pic – :lol:

dB – as if you haven’t earned a standing O hundreds of times before, you definitely get one for posting the 7:10 link

Mick

April 7th, 2011
7:42 am

stands

Great post…..everyday it’s the same fight about our trillions and who’s to blame, americans have a deficit of short term memory. When one checks out ryans numbers they don’t add up but his ideological driven plan has already been praised by the cons as serious…it never ends..

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 7th, 2011
7:44 am

Dave

From your linkee @ 5:49…

Attorney General Martha Coakley, who prosecuted the men, asked that they be barred from working on Massport docks, but a judge denied her request.

I think it’s more on the judge than anything. As part of the sentence, they could have, and should have been barred from returning to work there. I don’t think that’s the fault of the union. Had the judge done that, there would be no story.

Buzz G

April 7th, 2011
7:46 am

Bookman and his leftist loonies don’t much care for trickle down wealth. They and their Democratic Party are much more adept at trickle up poverty.

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
7:47 am

“Bookman and his leftist loonies don’t much care for trickle down wealth”

because it doesn’t exist.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 7th, 2011
7:49 am

Paul Ryan’s budget is not a serious document. It is, instead, a few pages of dried ejaculate on paper. It is a wishlist out of every conservative wet dream, and, as such,

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

I don’t think I could have even imagined something quite that graphic to describe Ryan’s budget, and I have quite a vivid imagination. Damn………

WOW

April 7th, 2011
7:49 am

“because it doesn’t exist.’

Oh like Ebonics? LOL

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
7:50 am

wow – yep. exactly like ebonics, which is also sweeping the nation.

bigot.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
7:51 am

“When one checks out ryans numbers they don’t add up”

So explain to us all the Obama alternative. Oh that’s right, there isn’t one.

It’s funny how left wingers are all in a tizzy over the GOP plan but they won’t discuss how the non existent Democrat plan as an alternative.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
7:51 am

“bigot”

Bookman, remember yesterday when you stated that you’d ban someone for name calling?

Thanks

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 7th, 2011
7:51 am

http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/details-emerge-of-new-901039.html
A new Republican proposal to alter the state’s tax system gives more protection to middle-class filers who might have paid more in income taxes under a version of the plan pulled from consideration last week.

Critics say the new plan would leave the state with a $220 million budget hole to fill when the Legislature convenes next year.

I can’t believe we continue to elect such dipsh*ts with impunity. In the face of budget deficits for umpteen years, “We’re gonna give a tax cut and create even more deficit.” Why do we continue to allow such jackassery to propogate?

Bo Doodley

April 7th, 2011
7:51 am

How many of you have actually read every page of Ryan’s proposal? How many of you actually “ran the numbers” of Ryan’s proposal yourself?
Same Bookman blog garbage every day. GOP sucks, Democrats suck. You’re stupid, well, you’re ignorant…blah, blah, blah…..

WOW

April 7th, 2011
7:54 am

“How many of you have actually read every page of Ryan’s proposal?”

Same number who read the Obamacare plan. NOT MANY.

Remember Bo, most of these people never even went to college.

Normal

April 7th, 2011
7:54 am

I think there is a fine line between calling someone a name and telling the truth…just sayin’

WOW

April 7th, 2011
7:55 am

“I think there is a fine line between calling someone a name and telling the truth”

tick…..tick…..tick…….

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
7:55 am

“Bookman, remember yesterday when you stated that you’d ban someone for name calling?”

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!!! they’re being meeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnn to me!!! just because I made a racial slur about the way black people talk!!!

wahwahwaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

stands for decibels

April 7th, 2011
7:56 am

yep. exactly like ebonics, which is also sweeping the nation.

but but but one of WOW’s shower buddies presented ironclad evidence that some DEA guy advertising for a job opening mentioned fluency in ebonics as a must-have that one time, except that it wasn’t actually the job opening but some guy commenting on the job opening that he’d heard about.

isn’t that proof enough? why the sarcasm?

WOW

April 7th, 2011
7:56 am

Normal

Also, it’s funny how left wingers like UK are quick to call me a bigot when all I did was state the obvious. SOME black people speak in ebonics.

This Atlanta native speaks Ebonics on Marta. You may remember her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4mopN9nDIQ

TaxPayer

April 7th, 2011
7:57 am

I still have not quit laughing about the Heritage Koch Foundation’s prediction that Ryan’s Road Kill Map will lead us down the yellow brick road to 2.8 percent unemployment!!!!! Koch Coal Plants and formaldehyde manufacturing operations and such will be bidding against each other for precious employees. Everyone will be a billionaire, TAX-FREE! Life will be like a fairy tale, as written by those Grimm Brothers Koch. Tea Partyers, Rejoice!

Doggone/GA

April 7th, 2011
7:57 am

“his ideological driven plan has already been praised by the cons as serious”

Oh, it’s SERIOUS. It’s not workable and it won’t do what he claims he wants it to do, but make no mistake…it IS serious!

stands for decibels

April 7th, 2011
7:57 am

plan but they won’t discuss how the non existent Democrat plan

I support the Rude Pundit’s plan, outlined @ 7.10. For the record.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
7:57 am

“just because I made a racial slur about the way black people talk!!! ”

Since when is Ebonics a racial slur, USUK? Talk about gasping for air.

What racial slur did I make, USUK?

“wahwahwaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh”

Tick….Tick….Tick…..

TaxPayer

April 7th, 2011
7:58 am

WOW! Some people speak in tongues.

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
7:58 am

“tick…..tick…..tick…….”

biological clock going off again, wow?

WOW

April 7th, 2011
7:58 am

“I support the Rude Pundit’s plan, outlined @ 7.10. For the record.”

The first two paragraphs pretty much rail on Paul Ryan.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
7:59 am

“biological clock going off again, wow?’

DIVERT DIVERT DIVERT

AGAIN, what racial slur did I make, USUK?

stands for decibels

April 7th, 2011
7:59 am

I don’t really have to reprint your crude attempts to ridicule African American dialect (and your nasty stereotyping of 13% of our citizenry as stupid and lazy by dint of their race), do I, WOW?

Because I will if I have to.

Or you could admit you were a douchebag and we can move on.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:00 am

“If you’re a Democrat in Congress, yeah, you’re probably appalled by Rep. Paul Ryan’s savage budget proposal (or you oughta be). But in your gut, there’s gotta be this little acid burn, this ember of envy, that, with the support of his leadership, Ryan just went balls out for the [stuff] that Republicans believe in.”

Stands, see what I mean?

Again, what’s the Democrat plan?

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
8:00 am

wow – “What racial slur did I make, USUK?”

sail phones = the way some african americans say cell phones

you knew it was a bigoted thing to say which is why you tried to weasel out of it (”I’m talking about Obama voters!”)

just because you have short-term memory problems doesn’t mean the rest of us do

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:01 am

“don’t really have to reprint your crude attempts to ridicule African American dialect (and your nasty stereotyping of 13% of our citizenry as stupid and lazy by dint of their race), do I, WOW?”

LOL!!!! I make an observation about how SOME black people say the word CELL phone and the left wingers get angry. Guess you gals can’t handle the truth.

“Or you could admit you were a douchebag and we can move on.”

Tick….tick…tick…..

Corey

April 7th, 2011
8:02 am

Those who don’t know and don’t know that they don’t are awful. Avoid them. Jay, that about sums up your sparring partners on this blog.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:03 am

“sail phones = the way some african americans say cell phones”

What’s racist about making an observation about the way a word is pronounced? You can take that PC crap and shove it. I don’t play the political correct game.

“you knew it was a bigoted thing to say which is why you tried to weasel out of it (”I’m talking about Obama voters!”)”

:LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

“just because you have short-term memory problems doesn’t mean the rest of us do”

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!

Midori

April 7th, 2011
8:04 am

can’t you get something at the drug store or the vet to kill those ticks?

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:06 am

USinUK

Sounds like you’re insecure about the way some black people talk. If you want to make an observation about how some white people talk, go for it. Why, because I don’t really care.

It amazes me how insecure people are about their own race.

TaxPayer

April 7th, 2011
8:06 am

Boehner accused Obama of not leading but Obama has presented his budget. So, Boehner needs to get in line and follow Obama’s plan or deliver something else that Obama and the Senate will agree on. Of course, it would help if he delivered something that was not based on fantasies such as 2.8% unemployment from the Heritage Koch Club.

stands for decibels

April 7th, 2011
8:07 am

no, WOW. Here’s what you said about the “typical Obama voter.”

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2011/04/06/for-gop-budget-talks-are-all-about-getting-to-no/?cp=all#comment-559992

It’s not just about how you imagine others talk. It’s about how you imagine black folks are lazy. If that’s not bigotry, I don’t know what is.

And as for the Rude Pundit’s plan, try reading the hypothetical in the second graf.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:08 am

“Boehner accused Obama of not leading but Obama has presented his budget.”

So what’s his plan, Tax? All I hear from the president is whining about how mean the GOP is.

“It’s not just about how you imagine others talk. It’s about how you imagine black folks are lazy. If that’s not bigotry, I don’t know what is.”

Don’t see any racist rants, stands. I just made an observation.

“try reading the hypothetical in the second graf.”

I did, it’s drivel.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:10 am

stands

This is why I don’t take your crappy article seriously.

“Paul Ryan’s budget is not a serious document. It is, instead, a few pages of dried ejaculate on paper.”

Was that document written by a teenager? Geez, talk about disgusting crap.

Rob

April 7th, 2011
8:10 am

Every generation that fought a war paid for it with higher taxes. Our generation did not. Please stop saying that the morgage crises led to this debacle, not paying for our wars has led to this massive debt.

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
8:10 am

“It amazes me how insecure people are about their own race.”

you should stick with your “:LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!”s – they’re pretty much the only rhetorical skill you have.

“What’s racist about making an observation about the way a word is pronounced? ”

when you claim that it’s the way a word is pronounced BY ONE PARTICULAR RACE you make it a racist comment

bigot.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:11 am

A president teams up with a known racist to woo black people. THAT’s racist.

Obama teams up with Al Sharpton in New York to woo African-American voters ahead of 2012 election

Rob

April 7th, 2011
8:12 am

All. get off the racict rants and talk about the subject at hand!!!

Bo Doodley

April 7th, 2011
8:13 am

WOW, don’t waste your time. They’re not worth it.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:13 am

“they’re pretty much the only rhetorical skill you have.”

Says the person who wrote: wahwahwaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

“when you claim that it’s the way a word is pronounced BY ONE PARTICULAR RACE you make it a racist comment”

No USUK, it’s called an observation. Again, take the political correctness and shove it.

“bigot”

What’s really sad about you is the fact that you resort to acting like a teenager and name call.

You must be what, 13 years old?

Rob

April 7th, 2011
8:13 am

We Americans are so easily distracted by name calling and quickly forget what we really need to talk about!!!

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:14 am

“WOW, don’t waste your time. They’re not worth it.”

Nah, they need to be called out, Bo. Especially the name calling British wannabe.

“All. get off the racict rants and talk about the subject at hand!!!’

That’s what I’m trying to argue with stands. His “democrat” document is garbage.

stands for decibels

April 7th, 2011
8:15 am

Was that document written by a teenager?

uh, yeah. It’s the hip new sound, daddy-o.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:16 am

“We Americans are so easily distracted by name calling and quickly forget what we really need to talk about!!!”

Rob, when most of the name calling comes from the left, they need to be called out on it.

Anyhoo, I’ve asked repeatedly for left wingers to discuss what the Democrat plan is. Instead, nothing, nada, zilch.

Instead, they make fun of Paul Ryan. That’s what left wingers do. They name call, divert, and blame Bush for everything.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:17 am

“uh, yeah. It’s the hip new sound, daddy-o.’

Funny that you expect people to take seriously a document that says Paul Ryans budget is that of a dry ejaculated piece of paper.

EPIC FAIL.

Rob

April 7th, 2011
8:18 am

WOW, You make yourself look like a 13 year old when you continue to post petty aurguments. Americans need to realize that we are becoming a nation of scardy cats. We only look after ourselves and forget about our fellow Americans. I ask everyone to stretch out thier hand and help a fellow American up.

stands for decibels

April 7th, 2011
8:19 am

EPIC FAIL.

if you liked that latest bit from the Rude Pundit. you’re gonna la-la LOVE this one.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:20 am

“You make yourself look like a 13 year old when you continue to post petty aurguments.”

Oh, so when I’m called a bigot etc I’M the 13 year old? LOL

“Americans need to realize that we are becoming a nation of scardy cats.”

Yeah, we have a president who is leading the scardy cat charge.

Rob

April 7th, 2011
8:21 am

Wow,

President Bush missed a great opportunity to unite our country after 9-11 but instead he told everyone to return to their normal lives and continue to shop. He should of asked us to prepare to make some sacrifices to keep American safe.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:21 am

“if you liked that latest bit from the Rude Pundit. you’re gonna la-la LOVE this one.”

No, I’m not into calling women degrading names like C&NT.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 7th, 2011
8:22 am

Wonderig where Keith Olbermann was:

Here he is And hes got more Worse Persons video clis.

I love his laugh at President Michelle Bachmann!

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:22 am

Rob

WTF does 911 have to do with the current budget problem?

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:23 am

“Wonderig where Keith Olbermann was:”

Looks like he’s working out of someone’s apartment. LOL

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:23 am

“And hes got more Worse Persons video clis.”

Wonder if PMSNBC misses him.

Rob

April 7th, 2011
8:24 am

Wow,

The media has you scared to go downtown, to a street party, to pick up a hitchhiker, or to take a homeless person to lunch. We only hear about the bad people in our country. It’s time to turn off the TV and our computers and see with our own eyes.

stands for decibels

April 7th, 2011
8:25 am

hee hee. He actually clicked the link.

my work is done here.

Rob

April 7th, 2011
8:25 am

WOW,

We did not pay for the wars. We borrowed money for them. You must raise taxes to pay for Wars.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:25 am

“The media has you scared to go downtown, to a street party, to pick up a hitchhiker, or to take a homeless person to lunch.”

Hi Rob, have we officially met? Because you seem to know me even though we haven’t.

“It’s time to turn off the TV and our computers ”

So why are you here blogging from a computer?

Bob

April 7th, 2011
8:25 am

Who cares about debt, at least the dems have given us jobs.

Normal

April 7th, 2011
8:25 am

Good plan, USinUK,

Keep making him use up all his posts… :D

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:25 am

“We did not pay for the wars. We borrowed money for them. You must raise taxes to pay for Wars.”

Have fun with that one, Rob.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 7th, 2011
8:26 am

sfd…you’re the man!

Mick

April 7th, 2011
8:26 am

stands

The rude pundit cracks me up, I’m a fan…

Paul

April 7th, 2011
8:26 am

WOW

Did you get Harry’s permission to co-opt his theme song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSklX1Hs324

——————————————————————————
To the rest of the posters:

Try the Amish way:

http://tinyurl.com/3ev52vc

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:26 am

“Keep making him use up all his posts”

We’re over 500, Normal. I’m here for the long haul. :)

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:27 am

“Did you get Harry’s permission to co-opt his theme song?”

Who is Harry?

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:27 am

“The rude pundit cracks me up, I’m a fan…

So you’re a fan of degrading women. Nice.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 7th, 2011
8:28 am

Normal…we’re over 500 on this so have to wait for clean sheets for a count….but did you notice he has to number them now because he could not count. But that has got to be the fault of some billionaire teacher.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:28 am

Hey where’d UK go?

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:29 am

“Normal…we’re over 500 on this so have to wait for clean sheets for a count….but did you notice he has to number them now because he could not count. But that has got to be the fault of some billionaire teacher.”

Keep, you have IQ of a carrot. :)

Rob

April 7th, 2011
8:29 am

WOW.

I only blog about once a week for about thirty minutes. I don’t agree with every President Obama does but I did like the fact that he put the cost of the Wars in his budget, not asking for supplementals as the year went by.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 7th, 2011
8:30 am

Midori, if your around, care to tell us about how you feel about the poutrage of a poster who cheers someone who degrades a woman….. Myself, I think the poster just wants to create fights which is why the child has been limited on his posts already.

Finn McCool

April 7th, 2011
8:30 am

Fox Drops Glenn Beck
Ding-dong! The demagogic host announced his departure from Fox News Wednesday, but not before likening himself to Paul Revere.

Wow, when FOX News thinks your a ding bat and it’s time to go, you know you’re probably the nutiest of the nutters.

Normal

April 7th, 2011
8:31 am

Quick Jay,
reset the topic! ;)

stands for decibels

April 7th, 2011
8:32 am

The rude pundit cracks me up, I’m a fan…

He’s the only guy I know who can knock out a line like “Fox ‘news’ would have gone to TardCon 5 in demonizing everything” and make it work in context.

by the way, you owe it to yourself to at least listen to his weekly appearances on the Stephanie Miller show, archived here:

http://rudepundit.podbean.com/

unsurprisingly, in person, he comes off as a sweet-tempered, nice fella.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 7th, 2011
8:33 am

Finn, and this is the same channel that thinks Ryan is a genius!

Paul

April 7th, 2011
8:33 am

Finn

I think it’s more about the dollars from advertisers and the audience demographics, not what’s coming from their mouths.

Otherwise they’d have dropped Hannity lonnnnnnnng ago.

stands for decibels

April 7th, 2011
8:34 am

when FOX News thinks your a ding bat and it’s time to go

I’m sure it had nothing to do with perceptions of dingbattery and 99% to do with what the bean counters projected would be the net ad revenues if they were to renew his contract.

A lot of people made a lot of noise about the unsuitability of sponsoring his program, and for once, the effort seems to have worked.

argh. I seriously gotta leave this time-suck. Later, all.

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
8:34 am

Normal – 8:25 – talk about “full of sound and fury, signifying nothing”

oy.

stands for decibels

April 7th, 2011
8:35 am

and Paul, get outa my brain and stealing my thoughts. Thank you.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:35 am

“Finn, and this is the same channel that thinks Ryan is a genius!’

It’s the same channel the drives left wingers to talk about them 24/7. They must be doing something right.

“Otherwise they’d have dropped Hannity lonnnnnnnng ago.

Why, he’s has the second highest ratings of any cable news outlet.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 7th, 2011
8:35 am

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:36 am

“Myself, I think the poster just wants to create fights which is why the child has been limited on his posts already.”

Says the guy who talks about pooping unicorns.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:37 am

“you know you’re probably the nutiest of the nutters.”

Like how PMSNBC got rid of Crybaby Olbermann.

Paul

April 7th, 2011
8:38 am

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 7th, 2011
8:38 am

talk about “full of sound and fury, signifying nothing”

Who f@rted?

Finn McCool

April 7th, 2011
8:40 am

Rush to Use Crops as Fuel Raises Food Prices and Hunger Fears
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/07/science/earth/07cassava.html?_r=1&hp

Time for this to stop. $1.39 for a green bell pepper? Are you kidding?

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
8:40 am

http://bit.ly/eN03XQ

wanker

wanker

wanker

WANKER

saw this story over the weekend and it STILL makes me so mad my eyes hurt.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:41 am

“Time for this to stop. $1.39 for a green bell pepper? Are you kidding?”

It’s Bush’s fault. No wait, it’s Cheney’s fault. No, it’s Rove’s fault. Nope, it’s Paul Ryan’s fault.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:42 am

“saw this story over the weekend and it STILL makes me so mad my eyes hurt.”

3…2…1… AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

Finn McCool

April 7th, 2011
8:42 am

of any cable news outlet.

That’s the key phrase. Check to see the ratings on the old network channels and then compare those to Fox?

mwuahahahahahaha

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:43 am

Soothsayer

April 7th, 2011
8:43 am

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:44 am

“Check to see the ratings on the old network channels and then compare those to Fox?’

Oh, you mean like CBS where Katie Courics ratings are in the tank and is forced to leave?

You mean like NBC where Matt Lauer is leaving?

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:45 am

“The Obama administration warned Wednesday that a federal shutdown would undermine the economic recovery, delay pay to U.S. troops fighting in three wars”

WHAT WAS THAT????? THREE WARS?????? Didn’t the left wingers state that we are NOT in three wars? LOLOLOLOL

Paul

April 7th, 2011
8:45 am

Morning, Finn

“$1.39 for a green bell pepper? Are you kidding?”

$6 billion for corn?

Couple billion for sugar?

And these twits in Congress can’t figure out where to find a couple billion?

Finn McCool

April 7th, 2011
8:45 am

WOW, did your mother not pay attention to you when you were a kid?

I’ve never seen someone so crave attention as you. You revert to anger when you don’t get it by being kind.

You need psychological help, friend.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:48 am

“WOW, did your mother not pay attention to you when you were a kid?”

DIVERT DIVERT DIVERT.

“I’ve never seen someone so crave attention as you. You revert to anger when you don’t get it by being kind.

Where have I shown anger, Finn? LOL, you really are funny!

“You need psychological help, friend.”

I love it when left wingers can’t debate anything and instead divert attention to something else.

Hey, why don’t you tell me to get more educated?

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:49 am

“And these twits in Congress can’t figure out where to find a couple billion?”

When you write the word “twit” you are referring to only the GOP, right Paul?

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:50 am

Finn McCool

It really is funny how we go from debating news ratings to you throwing out personal insults.

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
8:51 am

yeah, PAUL … you’re such a PARTISAN HACK, PAUL!!!

sheesh

:lol:

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 7th, 2011
8:51 am

DOOCY: One of the other details that, according to Mr. Ryan, is in his proposal, which he wrote about in the Wall Street Journal today is he’d also like to reduce the top income tax rate from 35 percent to 25 percent.

BECK: Good luck getting that done. [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 4/5/11]
___________________________

another prophesy?

Normal

April 7th, 2011
8:51 am

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
8:34 am

USinUK,
SO True…

But what I don’t get is that hee implies that Liberals don’t go to college…he must not have heard of the Liberal Arts degree… :D

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:52 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!

Why are you so obsessed with Glenn Beck and Fox News?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 7th, 2011
8:52 am

Baker: “Almost Everything In The Plan Has Been Tried And Failed.” Dean Baker of the Center for Economic and Policy Research wrote:

I want to join those in commending Representative Paul Ryan, but for a slightly different reason. Representative Ryan has provided a valuable service to the country by tossing out a piece of warmed-over dreck that calls for a massive upward redistribution from the nation’s workers to the rich. This is clear to anyone who reads it.

[...]

The reason why this is so useful is that there is nothing in the Ryan plan that has not been circulated in policy circles for decades. Almost everything in the plan has been tried and failed. The plan ignores obvious economic realities, such as the bubble-induced recession that has left 25 million people unemployed or underemployed. It doesn’t lay a glove on the rich and powerful, while threatening to undermine the limited economic security enjoyed by tens of millions of middle class families.

Yet many pundits will applaud the plan as brave, innovative and creative. In making these pronouncements these pundits will immediately reveal themselves as worthless hacks who either lack the ability or desire to do their own thinking. Their endorsement of the Ryan plan will be like a scarlet letter permanently marking them as someone who has no place in a serious policy discussion. For this reason we owe Mr. Ryan a real debt of gratitude. [Center for Economic and Policy Research, 4/5/11]

Finn McCool

April 7th, 2011
8:53 am

USinUK, the weird thing is that the only time of the year I hear the name “Go Daddy” is during Super Bowl ads.

I have no idea what they do except spend billions advertising during the Super bowl….and no need to learn what they do, either.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:53 am

“But what I don’t get is that hee implies that Liberals don’t go to college…he must not have heard of the Liberal Arts degree”

What’s really funny is the fact that I never said that liberals don’t go to college. I love how you totally lie about what I wrote.

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
8:54 am

Normal – “Liberal Arts degree”

what ARE conservative arts, anyway?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 7th, 2011
8:55 am

USinUk… well there is a clown school in WI…that would be conservative arts

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:55 am

“Representative Ryan has provided a valuable service to the country by tossing out a piece of warmed-over dreck”

Yet Mr. Baker offers no solution. Nice, Gunicorn.

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
8:55 am

Finn – I’m appalled that he wasn’t arrested on the frickin SPOT

I don’t care what they do – someone needs to turn HIM loose in the savannah and hunt him down.

Doggone/GA

April 7th, 2011
8:55 am

“what ARE conservative arts, anyway?”

No nudity – even the animals have to be clothed!

Normal

April 7th, 2011
8:56 am

From your own mouth, WOW. Now cut the BS and say your sorry.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
7:54 am
“How many of you have actually read every page of Ryan’s proposal?”

Same number who read the Obamacare plan. NOT MANY.

Remember Bo, most of these people never even went to college.
———————————–

You really are a trip.

Finn McCool

April 7th, 2011
8:56 am

The reason why this is so useful is that there is nothing in the Ryan plan that has not been circulated in policy circles for decades.

They have to try again. They’ve been trying to dismantle most socail programs for the past 40 years and ow, with the tea party backing, the time is ripe for them to throw it all back on the table.

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
8:56 am

KeepUp – (with apologies to Bosch) – don’t malign clowns so

Soothsayer

April 7th, 2011
8:56 am

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
8:57 am

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:57 am

“You really are a trip.”

Not sure how you got ALL LIBERALS and MOST PEOPLE on this blog mixed up, Normal.

TaxPayer

April 7th, 2011
8:58 am

Glenn Beck
George Bush

Coincidence?

I think not. Two hot air balloons with the same initials.

Normal

April 7th, 2011
8:58 am

Conservative Arts. The ability to subtract 5 from 3 and call it good for the economy…

Fred

April 7th, 2011
8:58 am

Why does that make you mad USinUK?

WOW

April 7th, 2011
8:59 am

“I think not. Two hot air balloons with the same initials.”

Barrack Obama

Body Odor

Coincidence? I think not.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 7th, 2011
9:00 am

Gov. Scott Walker (R-WI) was using state funds to pay more than $81,500 a year to Brian Deschane, a 26-year-old son of a major campaign donor with no college degree and two drunken-driving convictions. The job involved overseeing state environmental and regulatory issues and managing dozens of Commerce Department employees.

Yesterday, after the media reported on the hiring, Walker abruptly reversed course and removed Deschane from his position. Despite calling Deschane a “natural fit” just last week, Walker spokesman Cullen Werwise said Tuesday that the Governor decided “to move in another direction” after learning of the details of the appointment.

Yet, Deschane will still serve in the Administration, returning to his previous job where he made $64,000 a year. Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca (D) says he continues to be “concerned about whether [Deschane] was hired properly under the civil service system.” …

Those concerns appear to be well-founded. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reveals that Walker Commerce Secretary Paul Jadin choose Deschane as head of environmental and regulatory affairs at the Commerce Department over two highly qualified former state officials with extensive experience in state government:

The first [potential candidate] Oscar Herrera, is a former state cabinet secretary under Republican Gov. Scott McCallum with a doctoral degree and eight years’ experience overseeing the cleanup of petroleum-contaminated sites.

The second, Bernice Mattsson, is a professional engineer who served since 2003 in the post to which Deschane was appointed.

Herrera and Mattsson didn’t get far in the process.

“Neither candidate was interviewed,” said agency spokesman Tony Hozeny.
____________________

Now there is Republican genius at work….hire the drop out.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:00 am

“The ability to subtract 5 from 3 and call it good for the economy…”

That’s exactly Obama’s thought! Hey, where did he get his degree in economics from? OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, that’s right he doesn’t have one in economics.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:01 am

“Now there is Republican genius at work….hire the drop out.”

Keep, why are you plagiarizing?

TaxPayer

April 7th, 2011
9:01 am

If Barack were to claim, as Republicans do, that his poop don’t stink, then I’d be worried. Same goes for body odor. I know mine stinks. How about you, WOW. Are you odor-free.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 7th, 2011
9:01 am

USinUK… you’re right. I have insulted clowns.

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
9:01 am

meanwhile … in more signs that the economy is recovering:

In another sign of improvement in the jobs market, initial jobless claims decreased 10,000 to a seasonally adjusted 382,000 in the week ended April 2, the Labor Department said in its weekly report. However, the prior week’s figures were revised up to 392,000 from an originally reported 388,000.

Economists surveyed by Dow Jones Newswires had forecast claims would fall by 3,000 in the latest week. The decrease was the seventh in 10 weeks.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704013604576248322141440228.html?mod=e2tw

Soothsayer

April 7th, 2011
9:02 am

Wow! I guess Glenn Beck can set up his own witchdoctor practice now that Focked News cut him off. When you’re too nutty for Focked News, you’re really nutty.

jm

April 7th, 2011
9:02 am

Moderate Becky Quick on CNBC has signed up for the idea that the Fed’s dual mandate regarding full employment needs to be removed. I agree.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:02 am

“Why does that make you mad USinUK?”

Same reason observing how black people talk makes her mad. She’s just looking for something to get angry at.

Finn McCool

April 7th, 2011
9:02 am

What are the conservative arts?

Getting poor people to vote tax cuts for the wealthies people in the land.

Now that’s a dang art!

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:03 am

“If Barack were to claim, as Republicans do, that his poop don’t stink, then I’d be worried. Same goes for body odor. I know mine stinks. How about you, WOW. Are you odor-free.”

LOLOL!!!!!!!

jm

April 7th, 2011
9:03 am

WOW 8:52 – beck is leaving FOX, FYI

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:03 am

“Getting poor people to vote tax cuts for the wealthies people in the land.’

When did Obama become poor? I mean, he DID extend the tax cuts.

Oh, can you say WEALTH ENVY?

Normal

April 7th, 2011
9:03 am

I do believe that Scott Walker believes he can walk on water…I do hope he tries it…just sayin’

TaxPayer

April 7th, 2011
9:03 am

If assuming an unemployment rate of 2.8 percent is what Ryan and his Heritage Koch Club fellows learned in school, then Obama is clearly better off without that sort of education to fall back on when putting together his budget plans.

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
9:03 am

Fred – 8:58 – setting aside the fact that elephants are endangered, killing for sport is just dispicable

Bosch

April 7th, 2011
9:03 am

Go ahead, insult clowns – they are of the devil.

Hi USinUK! :-) (And Paul, Doggone and Keep!!)

jm

April 7th, 2011
9:04 am

Soothsayer, FOX didn’t cut of Beck. Instead, they’re going to repeatedly have him on as a commentator (for better or worse).

The guy has I guess decided he’d rather use the internet as his communications channel.

Bosch

April 7th, 2011
9:04 am

And Normal and Finn!! Sorry :(

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:04 am

“beck is leaving FOX, FYI”

I know, but they act as if it’s bringing down FOX which it isn’t. Also, left wingers are OBSESSED with them.

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
9:04 am

jm – 9:03 – is he leaving – or is he being pushed? I heard he went a bridge too far by saying the Japanese earthquake and tsunami were god’s wrath …

Bosch

April 7th, 2011
9:05 am

And Tax and jm, oh hell, hi everyone!! I’ve been out of the loop the past week or so.

Jonas

April 7th, 2011
9:05 am

Burned in effigy? Stand for decibels and others show how shallow, immature, and pussified the far left has become. My assumption folks who spew such hatred are cowardly children who should focus on their nap time and snacks.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:05 am

“meanwhile … in more signs that the economy is recovering:”

The Bush tax cuts worked.

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
9:05 am

BOSCH!!!

I was wondering where you’ve been!! how’s tricks? how are starbuck and apollo?? aren’t they coming up to their first birthday in the Bosch household??

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 7th, 2011
9:05 am

Conservative Arts. The ability to subtract 5 from 3 and call it good for the economy…

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Now, thasssss funnnnyy!!!!!!!

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:06 am

Jonas

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!! I’m still laughing over USUK’s insecurity about how some black people talk!

Fred

April 7th, 2011
9:06 am

Killing for sport? He killed an elephant that was destroying a villages food supply and the elephant added TO it’s food supply. The Africans aren’t allowed to eat?

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
9:06 am

“The stimulus worked.”

fixed yonder tacos

jm

April 7th, 2011
9:07 am

USinUK 9:04 – who knows for sure. But I heard he’s been building an internet media channel for months now. Given some of the guy’s crackpot thoughts, he may have decided he’d have more editorial license doing his own thing over the internet.

FOX is supposedly keeping him on as a contributor. Who knows, who cares. What is obvious however, is the media industry is changing incredibly rapidly right now.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:07 am

“I was wondering where you’ve been!! how’s tricks? how are starbuck and apollo?? aren’t they coming up to their first birthday in the Bosch household??”

Guess Bosch and UK never heard of Eharmony.

Bosch

April 7th, 2011
9:07 am

USinUK,

Yes, that’s where I’ve been — planning the pups 1st birthday party. We’ve got inflatables for the yard, obstacle courses, doggie cakes, and clowns for them to eat.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:07 am

“The stimulus worked.”

LOLOL!!!!!! I love left wingers and their denial.

Bosch

April 7th, 2011
9:08 am

I think conservative arts also includes classes on how to take two second sound bytes and turn them into ridiculous conspiracy theories.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:08 am

“I think conservative arts also includes classes on how to take two second sound bytes and turn them into ridiculous conspiracy theories.’

HALLIBURTON!!!!! BOO!!!!!!

TaxPayer

April 7th, 2011
9:09 am

Obama agreed to a temporary extension of tax cuts for the billionaires in order to get the “compassionate conservative Republicans” to agree to help folks in need of money to feed their children and keep a roof over their heads.

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
9:10 am

Fred – that’s his assertion AFTER the backlash –

but, of course, I’m sure he was also helping clothe the village by providing GoDaddy hats and t-shirts (which were featured in the pictures)

please.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:10 am

“Obama agreed to a temporary extension of tax cuts for the billionaires in order to get the “compassionate conservative Republicans” to agree to help folks in need of money to feed their children and keep a roof over their heads.”

Keep telling yourself that, Normal. Just like you told yourself that I stated that liberals don’t go to college.

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
9:10 am

Bosch – 9:07 – bouncy castle, too???

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:10 am

USinUK

Do you used Godaddy for anything?

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:11 am

“Do you used Godaddy for anything?”

Whoops, I meant USE.

Bosch

April 7th, 2011
9:12 am

USinUK,

Yes! Bouncy Castle too! And slides…and swings….and a ferris wheel…

TaxPayer

April 7th, 2011
9:12 am

The ability to subtract 5 from 3 and call it good for the economy…

Republicans even refer to that result as a positive thing. Math was not their thang in school.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:12 am

“Yes! Bouncy Castle too! And slides…and swings….and a ferris wheel…’

You could use all that money to help the poor, Bosch. Sad.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:13 am

“Math was not their thang in school.”

What was your major in college, Tax?

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
9:14 am

wow – 9:10 – what does that have to do with anything?

if I don’t buy Chinese products, am I not allowed to comment on their human rights record?

TaxPayer

April 7th, 2011
9:14 am

Poor WOW. He’s so confused. He doesn’t even know who’s posts he is commenting on.

ButtHead

April 7th, 2011
9:15 am

Funny how the idiots like Pelosi and Reid say the GOP has no plan, then when they give them a real plan to spend less than we take in they go ballistic. Everybody says we can’t continue to spend money we don’t have but the dimacrats block any plan to cut anything……Can they really be that stupid? I think I am going to call my creditors and tell them I am too busy spending my way out of debt to pay them…..Why not our government thinks they can….

TaxPayer

April 7th, 2011
9:15 am

What was your major in college, Tax?

What was yours, WOW?

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:15 am

“if I don’t buy Chinese products, am I not allowed to comment on their human rights record?”

I just find it funny when people complain about stuff they don’t even use.

Finn McCool

April 7th, 2011
9:16 am

“meanwhile … in more signs that the economy is recovering:” The Bush tax cuts worked.

so, he gave out tax cuts for 8 years with nary a job created and the last half of those 8 years the economy was tanking. And now, three years after he left office, his tax cuts are finally working?

You know, 3+3 does not equal 7.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:17 am

TaxPayer @ 9:12: Math was not their thang in school.

My response @ 9:13 am: What was your major in college, Tax?

TaxPayer’s response @ 9:14 am: He’s so confused. He doesn’t even know who’s posts he is commenting on.

Guess TaxPayer can’t read.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:18 am

“What was yours, WOW?”

I stated mine weeks ago, Tax. Along where I went to school.

Again, what was your major?

Paul

April 7th, 2011
9:19 am

G’morning, Bosch!

“Clowns, too!”

I love it!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 7th, 2011
9:20 am

On March 1, the Senate voted unanimously to pass a bill drafted by Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) that would prohibit salary payments to members of Congress and the president in the event of a shutdown. But the Housenever took up the Boxer bill.
____________________________

Wonder why the House never took it up.

Greetings and Salutations Bosch! Bouncey Castles?

Dave R.

April 7th, 2011
9:20 am

SoCo: “I think it’s more on the judge than anything.”

Nay, nay, SoCo. The judge was upholding the terms of the bargaining agreement that the UNION and state agreed upon. He followed a bad law, which is why public sector unions can be so bad.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:20 am

“so, he gave out tax cuts for 8 years with nary a job created and the last half of those 8 years the economy was tanking. And now, three years after he left office, his tax cuts are finally working?”

The unemployment rate was at 4.4% in 2006. It went up to 8% when he left office due to the housing crisis.

What’s the average unemployment rate under Obama? 9%.

If the tax cuts are so bad why did Obama extend them?

TaxPayer

April 7th, 2011
9:20 am

WOW,

Re: your first 9:17 post (just in case you whipped out another before I post this)

You might wish to check my 9:09 and your first 9:10 post.

md

April 7th, 2011
9:20 am

“The Africans aren’t allowed to eat?”"

Isn’t that what PETA is for?

People Eating Tasty Animals………..

Bosch

April 7th, 2011
9:20 am

Paul,

Clowns….for them to eat, mind you.

TaxPayer

April 7th, 2011
9:21 am

I stated mine weeks ago, Tax. Along where I went to school.

Again, what was your major?

What was yours, WOW.

jm

April 7th, 2011
9:21 am

I think WOW’s all hopped up on Mountain Dew this morning. :)

stands for decibels

April 7th, 2011
9:23 am

The unemployment rate was at 4.4% in 2006. It went up to 8% when he left office due to the housing crisis.

What’s the average unemployment rate under Obama? 9%.

another guy who can’t seem to comprehend the cumulative effect of job losses, and the number of monthly jobs that need to be added to budge the number back down.

That’s ok–I’ve tried to explain it to Lil’ Bitter ‘Bagger and he doesn’t get it either.

/drive-by

Dave R.

April 7th, 2011
9:23 am

AmVet, re: your 6:40 response?

219 words and you didn’t even answer my questions. Just went off on a rant. Pre-coffee perhaps? ;)

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:24 am

Finn, just for you

Looking at the annual average unemployment rates for each of the eight years of Bush’s presidency, the average of all eight figures, and thus of his entire presidency, is 5.26%, with a low of 4.6% for the years of 2006 and 2007, and a high of 6.0% for 2003.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the number of unemployed was nearly 6.0 million in January 2001 and 6.9 million in September 2006. The unemployment rate was 4.2% in January 2001, 4.6% in September 2006, and 7.2% in December 2008.

Source: Wiki

TaxPayer

April 7th, 2011
9:24 am

WOW. Mountain Dew. Nah! Republicans are more into the Mellow Yellow stuff. I think they call it trickle down also.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:24 am

“What was yours, WOW.”

In other words, Taxpayer won’t answer the question.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:24 am

“WOW. Mountain Dew. Nah! Republicans are more into the Mellow Yellow stuff. I think they call it trickle down also.”

I don’t drink soda pop, Tax.

Paul

April 7th, 2011
9:25 am

Bosch

FIgured as much!

I’m jazzed – just got XM to activate on my other car. Called couple months ago, they said it’d been activated since last Nov. Spent an hour with cust care & tech support, they couldn’t do it, said they’d open a ticket and call back. Never did. This morning I went online and resent the activation signal.

It’s working. Go figure.

TaxPayer

How ya’ doin?

From earlier. (Maybe you saw it and are just into weird humor this morning?)

WOW

Did you get Harry’s permission to co-opt his theme song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSklX1Hs324

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To the rest of the posters:

Try the Amish way:

http://tinyurl.com/3ev52vc

Doggone/GA

April 7th, 2011
9:25 am

“I think WOW’s all hopped up on Mountain Dew this morning”

No, I think he goes straight to the hard stuff and drinks JOLT!

(it’s a myth that MD has more caffeine than any other soda, it has more caffeine than any NON-COLA soda)

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:25 am

“another guy who can’t seem to comprehend the cumulative effect of job losses, and the number of monthly jobs that need to be added to budge the number back down.”

Not my problem if you can’t handle the truth.

Again, why did Obama extend the Bush tax cuts?

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:26 am

“No, I think he goes straight to the hard stuff and drinks JOLT!”

Why are you gals so obsessed with what I drink?

jm

April 7th, 2011
9:27 am

I feel like I’m carrying around an “argumentative” sniper rifle. But WOW has a gatlin gun. :)

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:28 am

jm

Like I wrote weeks ago. I am super super super super fast at typing and can do multiple things at once.

TaxPayer

April 7th, 2011
9:28 am

In other words, Taxpayer won’t answer the question.

What was yours, WOW.

Gator Joe

April 7th, 2011
9:28 am

Jay,
The Republicans, especially the wealthy ones, love trickle down where most of the “trickling down” is from the top 1% to the next 4% in line. The rest of the Right refuse to think for themselves and see how they are being taken advantage of.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:29 am

“What was yours, WOW.

I seem to remember asking you that question and you still won’t answer it. If you want to know where I went to school and what I got a degree in, answer my question.

Thanks

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

April 7th, 2011
9:30 am

Jay:

It’s such a shame you are not the President.

All of our problems would be solved.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:30 am

“especially the wealthy ones”

WEALTH ENVY!

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:31 am

1811/1801 – 0311/0317

EXACTLY!!!!!

TaxPayer

April 7th, 2011
9:31 am

Hi Paul. What up? What’s the current projection from Heritage Foundation for when we will hit that 2.8 percent unemployment rate given that Obama has now given those miracle working Bush tax cuts two more years to do their thang.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 7th, 2011
9:31 am

Dave

If the judge decided that, as part of their sentence, they were banned from the dockyards, he could have effectively ended their employment. It’s like that with us. I don’t have to get fired, but if I lose the right/privilege to carry my firearm, I’m no longer employable. The union can’t do anything about that.

Donovan

April 7th, 2011
9:32 am

It’s kind of funny that the Republicans are offering up something in the form of rectification to the problem, while the Democrats just sit on their hands and offer up nothing to fix the problems that they created. For better or worse, the Republicans seem to represent the majority of the American people who do not want anymore spending. What do the Democrats want? They want a higher debt ceiling put into place. What’s wrong with this picture? Ever since 2006 when the Democrats took over the power reins we have seen this group of liberal day dreamers acting like a kid in a candy store with a credit card. With this country out of money and the Chicoms owning a trillion dollars of our debt the Democrats offer nothing but demonization of the Republican Party and obstruction of any viable method of recovery. Their leader has spent more money than all of the previous presidents PUT TOGETHER. For those who live in a glass house it is lunacy to cast stones at one’s enemies. STOP THE DAMN SPENDING and take responsibility for the harmful agenda that you all have implemented.

TaxPayer

April 7th, 2011
9:32 am

I seem to remember asking you that question and you still won’t answer it. If you want to know where I went to school and what I got a degree in, answer my question.

Conditional responses from you don’t do anything for me. What was yours, WOW.

jm

April 7th, 2011
9:33 am

No more dual mandate for the Fed!

That’s a hell of a rallying cry, isn’t it?

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:33 am

1811/1801 – 0311/0317

I’ve come to the conclusion that the left is incapable of offering up solutions that actually work.

Alternative energy: Nothing from the left but speeches.

Getting the economy back on track: Obama extends the Bush tax cuts because his policies are terrible.

List goes on and on and on.

The left is afraid that the Paul Ryan plan will work and therefore they have to tear it down by making fun of him.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 7th, 2011
9:34 am

Finn McCool

April 7th, 2011
9:35 am

Democrats just sit on their hands and offer up nothing to fix the problems that they created.

Ummm, I do believe the Democrats have agreed to $30 billion in cuts. Have trouble seeing the whole picture, do we?

Alan Krueger

April 7th, 2011
9:35 am

Instead of focusing on the unemployment rate, it may be better to look at the employment-to-population ratio, or the share of the population that is employed. This rate isn’t affected by whether someone is counted as in or out of the labor force.

Tellingly, the employment-to-population rate has hardly budged since reaching a low of 58.2% in December 2009. Last month it stood at just 58.4%.

(Source: AJC, Friday, April 1, 2011)

josef nix

April 7th, 2011
9:35 am

Good morning!

Wheee…looks like the Bruin’s shooting for a thousand on this thread, so I’m here well rested to do my part…somebody say something I can react to!

Paul

April 7th, 2011
9:35 am

TaxPayer

“What’s the current projection from Heritage Foundation for when we will hit that 2.8 percent unemployment rate given that Obama has now given those miracle working Bush tax cuts two more years to do their thang.”

The day after the compromise gets enacted. See, if Democrats enact the idea, it’ll never work. But if Republicans enact it, then ‘poof!’ – it’s magic!

Paul Ryan Monster

April 7th, 2011
9:36 am

Part IV… coming up…. munch munch

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:37 am

“Conditional responses from you don’t do anything for me. What was yours, WOW.’

B.S. in Business.

Yours?

Finn McCool

April 7th, 2011
9:37 am

wealth envy?

Ever wonder why the wealthy keep trying to gain more money all the time?

wealth envy.

Paul Ryan Monster

April 7th, 2011
9:38 am

Paul 9:35 “oh oh oh, it’s magic, you knoooow”

Joe Mama

April 7th, 2011
9:38 am

Donovan — “It’s kind of funny that the Republicans are offering up something in the form of rectification to the problem, while the Democrats just sit on their hands and offer up nothing to fix the problems that they created.”

Huh. A few years ago, during the Bush Administration, the Republicans were crying because the Democrats wouldn’t present any budget proposals — and that was the GOP excuse for dragging their feet on presenting one themselves. Now the shoe’s on the other foot, and the GOP’s still crying. Get over yourselves, kids.

Look, I’m not thrilled with the Ryan proposal, but can we please come to the realization that there are going to *have* to be some painful cuts in some places and that there are going to *have* to be some painful tax/user fee increases in others? Just doing one or the other isn’t going to work, politically or practically.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 7th, 2011
9:38 am

josef…2 Beavers are better than 1?

Paul

April 7th, 2011
9:38 am

Morning, josef nix

“looks like the Bruin’s shooting for a thousand on this thread, so I’m here well rested to do my part…”

No need to. Looks like Jay has given free reign to he-who-must-not-be-named to get to the 4-digit record.

Doesn’t seem fair, though. Kinda like a UConn running up the score against, oh, Auburn. It’s really not much of a contest.

josef nix

April 7th, 2011
9:38 am

Normal

Anniversay of Shiloh, eh? Hide the menorah, pack to torah and change you name to Smith,,,the mongrel invading horde of invaders is comin’ :-)

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:39 am

“Ever wonder why the wealthy keep trying to gain more money all the time?’

Because our Constitution protects that right.

Normal

April 7th, 2011
9:39 am

Taxpayer,
I think WOW’s Major was Creative Writing… ;)
—————

Bosch,
Good morning!
——————–

Josef,
Top of the morning to you too, sir
about this, your thoughts…

http://www.ajc.com/news/gambling-questions-slow-effort-901532.html?cxtype=rss_news

Yippee

April 7th, 2011
9:39 am

Barry really knows how to pick his associates. Bombers; Nutjob Preachers; Socialists; Idiots; and now we can add Whorehoppers. I’ll bet you his butt puckered when he heard this news. I will also bet you that Moochelle raised an eyebrow. Barry’s got some ’splainin to do about that last golf game and the drink cart chick. The guys last name makes for a great setup line for Leno.

Obama friend arrested for soliciting prostitute

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/obama-friend-arrested-for-901269.html

Paul

April 7th, 2011
9:40 am

Paul Ryan Monster

I’m partial to these lyrics and this performance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sXLkKflnis

TaxPayer

April 7th, 2011
9:40 am

B.S. in Business.

Yours?

B.S. in Business Replies

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:40 am

“Doesn’t seem fair, though. Kinda like a UConn running up the score against, oh, Auburn. It’s really not much of a contest.”

Or Auburn running up the score on say, South Carolina in the SEC Championship. Or maybe Nick Fairley destroying Aaron Murray over and over again.

Or maybe Auburn beating Bama for 6 straight years.

Like that?

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
9:41 am

jm – WHATTAYA WANT?

NO MORE DUAL MANDATE FOR THE FED

WHEN DO YOU WANT IT?

NOW

you’re right … lacks snap

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:41 am

“B.S. in Business Replies’

Ok, so Tax didn’t go to college.

Thanks for playing, TaxPayer.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

April 7th, 2011
9:41 am

Hear this yesterday and it is so true:

“The mainstream media is little more than a public relations advertising agency for Democrats.”

TaxPayer

April 7th, 2011
9:41 am

I think WOW’s Major was Creative Writing…

I thought it was in High Speed Railing.

josef nix

April 7th, 2011
9:42 am

good fight

And what beavers would THOSE be?

PAUL
Yeah, kind of interesting…but somebody else is still around, too…but then so am I, so I guess Imam Torquemada’s been hit by a tolerant streak,,,

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:42 am

“I think WOW’s Major was Creative Writing…”

Isn’t that what Jay Bookman’s daughter is getting her masters in? Not making fun of it, just making an observation.

Jay, not making fun of that at all. Just so you know!

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
9:42 am

Enter your comments here

Normal

April 7th, 2011
9:42 am

josef nix

April 7th, 2011
9:38 am

Josef,
you scallywag! When I read that, that is exactly what I was thinkin’ from your teachin’…get outta my head! :D

Paul

April 7th, 2011
9:43 am

Yippee

“Obama friend arrested for soliciting prostitute”

And your friends are all pure, what, televangelists? Priests? wait… don’t go there……

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:44 am

“And your friends are all pure, what, televangelists? ”

That’s a bit of a reach there, Paul.

Fred

April 7th, 2011
9:44 am

Fresh Elephant meat upstairs

Harry Callahan

April 7th, 2011
9:44 am

“Jay

April 6th, 2011
5:41 pm

“actually, jm, Obama DID propose a solution that included tax hikes. He wanted to let the tax cuts for the rich expire, and remind me again … how did that one go?”

All he had to do was veto the extension of hte Bush tax cuts, Jay. You, know, the extension passed when Dems controlled both houses.

WOW

April 7th, 2011
9:44 am

UH OH!!!!!

Northwestern says star journalism professor lied

Northwestern University officials blasted a heralded journalism professor Wednesday, accusing him of doctoring records and repeatedly lying to his department’s dean and the school’s lawyers.

Chicago Trib.

TaxPayer

April 7th, 2011
9:45 am

Ok, so Tax didn’t go to college.

Thanks for playing, TaxPayer.

What! You doubt my B.S.! I’m shocked but not awed.

USinUK

April 7th, 2011
9:45 am

“Obama friend arrested for soliciting prostitute”

criminey, and that’s different from the relationship between congress critters and lobbyists HOW, exactly???

Joe Mama

April 7th, 2011
9:47 am

Yippee — “Barry really knows how to pick his associates. Bombers; Nutjob Preachers; Socialists; Idiots; and now we can add Whorehoppers. I’ll bet you his butt puckered when he heard this news.”

It sure did. Now the guy’s qualified to be a Republican US Senator from Louisiana.

BW

April 7th, 2011
9:48 am

The only problem Jay is that the Democratic party is not doing enough to draw a line in the sand and tell the American people what they are all about. They have allow the opposition to completely frame the economic message and have been for decades. It makes you sick to your stomach that one party out of the two real party choices can’t seem to put together a viable clear message about where they intend to take the country and provide a real opposition. The battle between FDR/Great Society and laissez faire economic policy has never ended but the Republicans have never wavered on their message. I don’t think that you can do well when you can’t project a clear message and stick with it. 2010 was the first sign of that and if they don’t get it together in 2012 I don’t know if you can win on a message of the Republican candidate is far worse than anything I’ve done. Obama and company had better get their heads out of their rears and get their minds right because the other party is not to be taken lightly.

Normal

April 7th, 2011
9:49 am

Good one Paul, but I gotta go there…

Televangelists=Bl*w J*bs in the back seat of a car and Priests=little boys.

not that my friends haven’t tried “whorehopping”. Hell, we were in the Navy and we bragged about it…

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 7th, 2011
9:52 am

Or maybe Auburn beating Bama for 6 straight years.

6 straight wins, yet Auburn is still lagging behind like a #2 school should. Alabama leads the series with an overall record of 40–34–1. Doesn’t seem fair, does it?

Yippee

April 7th, 2011
9:53 am

Well, Paul, while I am clearly more qualified to be president, I am not and therefore your point is???

josef nix

April 7th, 2011
9:54 am

Normal
@ 9;39

Lots of thoughts on that one (and thanks for the link)…you already know a good part of where I (we in this house) are coming from via St. Elsewhere…

Thought number one: Iman Torquemada has already decreed that “Indian things” are not much of an issue in these parts, so we’ll see…

Thought number two: so, does the West Bank settlement rule apply here with the same force as it does there?

Thought three: they’re back!

Thought four: the conflict between the Oklahoma and Georgia Creek has to be overcome, and the former have not always been very nice to the latter when the beads and blanket distribution of the occupiers “largesse” wasn’t quite so “liberal…” There’s some bad blood there going back to the Red Sticks and Brother Andy…it should get interesting

Thought five…I wish them the best of luck in the endeavor…up to and including the casino bit…as my tribe says this time of the year, “next year in Brunswick!” :-)

Yippee

April 7th, 2011
9:57 am

@Joe Mama

April 7th, 2011
9:47 am

Your momma wears army boots. Take that!

Patrick

April 7th, 2011
9:58 am

“…the payroll tax, which Ryan concedes is a surtax on earned income below $106,000…”. Jay – stay with me – it’s currently a ”surtax” on any earned income tax below $106,000. What’s new? Chairman Ryan’s plan lowers income taxes across the board. You’re actually complaining because everyone gets a tax break, but a person who currently pays more taxes gets a larger tax break. You’re party would be taken more seriously if the Dems actually produced their own responsible plan, rather than simply lie, bully and demagogue as usual, while we and our children are crushed under the weight of runaway debt ….

Joe Mama

April 7th, 2011
10:00 am

Yippee — “Your momma wears army boots. Take that!”

My momma’s feet are too small for mah Army boots. Right back atcha!

Cynthia Who?

April 7th, 2011
10:00 am

At least he is proposing something. Dems controlled Washington last year and decided to not pass a budget because of the elections.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 7th, 2011
10:01 am

<i.There’s some bad blood there going back to the Red Sticks and Brother Andy

Brother, you said a mouthful there. Some seriously bad blood.

Yippee

April 7th, 2011
10:06 am

Which political party does this mental midget (child abuser) call home? Hmmmm? Is that double D, big Dick Durbin looking on?

Alec Baldwin: Financial Crisis Has ‘Crippled’ Obama, Preventing Him From ‘Doing Any New Spending’
Wednesday, April 06, 2011
By Nicholas Ballasy

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/alec-baldwin-financial-crisis-has-crippl

MVM

April 7th, 2011
10:24 pm

The compromise is simple:
1. Determine how much money we’re wasting in lost Afghanistan and wasted Iraq, along with clueless, asinine Libya.
2. Get hell out of all 3 ASAP.
3. Give tax cuts in the amt of step 1.

That should satisfy both the left and right, to degrees, while helping America greatly.

Glenn Beck's Black Mistress

April 7th, 2011
10:33 pm

“beck lived there but was fired.”

He wasn’t fired. The parting was mutual. I said two years ago that I would convince him to move on to other projects; he could only discuss Sorors and hating Obama so much. And so it has come to pass that my efforts were not in vain. He is a closet liberal, I have always known this. It was simply time to move on. He is gone from fixed news, my per diem has increased and all is right with the world. Thank me later.