For GOP, budget talks are all about getting to ‘no’

Michael Gerson, the former Bush speechwriter turned Washington Post columnist, describes the landscape in Washington pretty well here:

“Obama’s offer is more than reasonable. A $30 billion reduction, after all, was the initial Republican negotiating position back in early February. Given that Republicans control only the House, this level of cuts would normally be viewed as a remarkable success. But a portion of the Republican conference longs for a confrontation that results in a government shutdown, preferring a fight over a victory. And the only worse outcome for Boehner than a politically risky shutdown is a deeply split conference, pitting the Republican establishment against Tea Party purists — a result that would undermine all future Republican progress.”

The Republican base wants and needs a confrontation with Obama, not a compromise. It has sought that outcome from the beginning, and it will not be denied that satisfaction. As Gerson points out, the Republican leadership itself set a goal of $30 billion in cuts, and it could achieve $33 billion at this moment simply by saying yes.

But it’s not about getting to yes. It’s about getting to no. Once Obama agreed to $33 billion, the GOP demand became $40 billion. Those additional billions means absolutely nothing in terms of the long-term deficit, but everything to a party hell-bent on a shutdown. It is a means to an end.

By now, Obama ought to be onto that game. He knows that if he agreed to $40 billion, the GOP lust for a shutdown, still unsatiated, would merely shift to the next opportunity, which isn’t far away. We’re now just $80 billion away from hitting the nation’s legal debt ceiling, and Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner warns we will reach that limit no later than mid-May. That would become the opportunity for confrontation, but with much higher stakes for the country given the financial and fiscal consequences of possible default.

So here we go. This isn’t about dollars or deficits. This is about a group of people seeking moral validation through battle against the forces of evil; put more crudely and perhaps accurately, it’s about people picking a fight with somebody they hate, somebody they’ve wanted a piece of for a long time.

It appears they will get their wish.

– Jay Bookman

987 comments Add your comment

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
8:39 am

For GOP, budget talks are all about getting to ‘no’

:shock:
Color me shocked!!!! Say it isn’t so!!!!!! You can only use the strongarm tactics for so long before they come back to bite you in the ass. The GOP, and Democrats too, would be wise to remember that. There will be a growing number who are tired of the jackassery coming from both sides.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
8:40 am

And the shutdown is about to cost taxpayers even more money….. Shame on the tea party!

WOW

April 6th, 2011
8:40 am

“By now, Obama ought to be onto that game. ‘

But….since Obama sucks at games. Baseball, golf, bowling, NCAA brackets all come to mind……

“This is about a group of people seeking moral validation through battle against the forces of evil’

No Jay, it’s about cutting the Obama purse strings and getting spending under control. Americans are sick of big spending.

Oh, and were was the Democrats budget plan last year? OHHHHHHH that’s right, they never proposed one.

“it’s about people picking a fight with somebody they hate”

You mean like when Harry Reid called Bush stupid and when Nancy Pelosi called Bush a liar and a war criminal? Like that you mean?

“The Republican base wants and needs a confrontation with Obama”

Yeah, poor little Barry. He was just sittin up there minding his own business. He wasn’t doin nothin wrong. Poor little innocent Barry. LOL

Jay, you do a great job at trying to portray Obama as some innocent great leader who is doing great things for America! LOL

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
8:41 am

Heard an interview yesterday with some buy in Congress (sorry, never did catch who he was) identified as a “Tea Party” politician. He kept saying there was to be no compromise with his proposals, but he wants the “other side” to talk to him. If there’s no compromise, what’s to talk about?

Mick

April 6th, 2011
8:41 am

That’s not governing, that’s I’ll take all my toys and go home if I don’t get what I want…..go and good riddance..

Peadawg

April 6th, 2011
8:42 am

And the shutdown is about to cost taxpayers even more money….. Shame on the Democrats for not passing a 2011 fiscal year budget LAST F**KING YEAR!

Fixed your typo, Keep.

Lil' Barry's shadow

April 6th, 2011
8:42 am

Shut it down Obama…no more compromise!

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
8:42 am

“… it’s about people picking a fight with somebody they hate, somebody they’ve wanted a piece of for a long time.”

Yep. Plain and simple. Nothing more, nothing less.

poison pen

April 6th, 2011
8:43 am

Oooohhh, those evil repubs, scarrrrryyyy!

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
8:44 am

Doggone

It’s only compromise when others accept their positions. Kinda reminds me of the people who generally suck at whatever they do. Change the rules of the game midstream to your advantage, or throw a hissy fit when others don’t do as you want them to do.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
8:44 am

“And the shutdown is about to cost taxpayers even more money”

HOW????? LOL!!!! That’s like Obama saying we have to spend out way out of debt!!!!!

You left wingers are hilarious!

ty webb

April 6th, 2011
8:44 am

“…it’s about people picking a fight with somebody they hate,…”

And herein lies the genius of the Candidate Obama. When his leadership fails, it is so easy to paint him as the “victim”…to heck with the taxpayers.

Mary Elizabeth

April 6th, 2011
8:45 am

True and sad.

poison pen

April 6th, 2011
8:46 am

WOW, good post.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
8:46 am

This is truly becoming absurd. The GOP, sadly and somewhat shockingly, becomes MORE unreasonable and MORE intransigent with time, not less.

The situation in Libya parallels this one.

The rabid Republicans don’t want anything other than what they can view as an Obama loss/failure. It completely drives them now. And if they can facilitate that, even if it is in the mind of the less lucid, they have done their job.

And though I’ve repeatedly referred to them tongue in cheek, as Party First, America Second, I am truly beginning to wonder if I wasn’t correct…

Granny Godzilla

April 6th, 2011
8:46 am

Boehner got a standing ovation from Republicans when he informed them that he was advising the House Administration Committee to begin preparing for a possible shutdown.

Of course the GOP wants the shut down.

Disgusting.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
8:46 am

“It’s only compromise when others accept their positions”

Yeah, their idea of “negotiating” appears to be: “my way, or the highway”

In that interview the reporter asked him flat out if he WANTED to shut the government down. His rambling answer (we just want them to talk to us) amounted to YES – he was just too cowardly to actually use that word.

Mary Elizabeth

April 6th, 2011
8:46 am

My comments were regarding the Tea Party’s deeper intentions.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
8:48 am

Pea….[sigh] again, Republican political game playing was just as much responsible for the failure to pass a 2011 budget as any silly Democrat “lockstep” vote requirement you want to try to impose

Mick — its not only a take it or leave it failure to negotiate game of chicken (hard to be chicken when you know that one side wants to leap over the edge) but it is clearly a failure of Republican leadership.

poison pen

April 6th, 2011
8:48 am

If were lucky maybe all the Democrats will run to another state and hide.

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
8:49 am

Quit living in the past, Peadawg. The Republicans in the House have to come up with an acceptable budget. They wanted to be in charge now they have to at least act grown up and do something more than a lame Tom Price imitation. Where is old Tom Boy these days anyway.

jt

April 6th, 2011
8:49 am

Never plant your corn before good friday.

Dang it.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
8:50 am

Cherry-pick a single GOP-er to make your point – Check!

Paint GOP as party of No – Check!

Make wildly unsubstantiated claims to know what others who actually DO know – Check!

Create a half-a$$ed conclusion not based on any facts in evidence – Check!

Nice to see you can follow a checklist, Jay.

poison pen

April 6th, 2011
8:50 am

Mary, please tell us the Tea Party’s deeper intentions.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
8:50 am

His rambling answer (we just want them to talk to us) amounted to YES

That’s why I hate the mushy-mouthed, gummi spined b@stards. Have the testicular fortitude to state and stand for what you believe. If you can’t do that, you shouldn’t be in office.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
8:51 am

” The GOP, sadly and somewhat shockingly, becomes MORE unreasonable and MORE intransigent with time, not less.”

AmVet, you just said a mouthful

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
8:51 am

oh, and HI SOCO!!! :-)

(damn the otter scrubbers!!!)

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
8:52 am

Send out a message to the military to prepare for a shutdown.

Normal

April 6th, 2011
8:53 am

All I’m going to say is,

“Republicans, be careful what you wish for”

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
8:53 am

Jay, you’re being intellectually dishonest here. You know (or should) that the GOP position for months has been $100 billion in cuts on a full-year basis.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
8:54 am

What is Obozo doing to rein in the “political games” he said they were playing?

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
8:54 am

“Have the testicular fortitude to state and stand for what you believe. If you can’t do that, you shouldn’t be in office.”

I agree, but sometimes – too often in fact – questions are asked of policiticians that amount to “When did you stop beating your wife?” This didn’t happen to be one of them, but when an interviewer does that…THAT annoys me too! Because you KNOW, and the politician knows, that if he answers with a “yes (or no) BUT…” answer – the only thing that will get reported is the yes or no.

Mary Elizabeth

April 6th, 2011
8:54 am

poison pen @ 8:50

From the article above: “This isn’t about dollars or deficits. This is about a group of people seeking moral validation through battle against the forces of evil; put more crudely and perhaps accurately, it’s about people picking a fight with somebody they hate, somebody they’ve wanted a piece of for a long time.”

md

April 6th, 2011
8:55 am

“So here we go. This isn’t about dollars or deficits. This is about a group of people seeking moral validation through battle against the forces of evil; put more crudely and perhaps accurately, it’s about people picking a fight with somebody they hate, somebody they’ve wanted a piece of for a long time.”

Pretty much how I see it too………yet I am not a side chooser and therefore the statement is true….of both “sides”.

Peadawg

April 6th, 2011
8:55 am

“Republican political game playing was just as much responsible for the failure to pass a 2011 budget”

LMAO! How is it the GOP’s fault that the 2011 budget wasn’t passed last year when Democrats had the majority in House and Senate??

Del

April 6th, 2011
8:55 am

33 billion of smoke and mirrors. The Republicans aren’t falling for the Obama scam. BTW…48% align with the Tea Party. Elections have consequences and the Democrats still don’t get it.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
8:56 am

“What is Obozo doing to rein in the “political games” he said they were playing?”

well, giving them the $30B in cuts that they asked for, for one …

poison pen

April 6th, 2011
8:56 am

AmVet, both party’s are a perty of me first, how many years has it taken you to realize that? As far as Lybia goes, what exactly did we accompolish there, nothing more than Obama trying to look like a tough guy, Daffy Duck is still alive & breathing, don’t try to flip this to the other side.

poison pen

April 6th, 2011
8:56 am

Meant party, need coffee

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
8:57 am

Afternoon USinner…

Otter scrubbers… :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Gonna get me an off topic in right quick…

Chris Abele – a 44-year-old philanthropist, scion of a wealthy Boston family and political neophyte – handily defeated state Rep. Jeff Stone (R-Greendale) at the polls Tuesday to become the next Milwaukee County executive.

Abele had 61% of the vote to 39% for Stone, according to unofficial results with all votes counted.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/119299589.html

also…

Supreme Court REPORTING 99%
David Prosser (inc) 736,878
50%
Joanne Kloppenburg 736,043
50%
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/118885959.html

Actions have consequences, and it seems like the people in Wisconsin are starting a new backlash…..

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
8:57 am

House GOP calls for $100 billion spending cut
By John Dimsdale
Marketplace Morning Report, Friday, February 11, 2011

http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/02/11/am-house-gop-calls-for-100-billion-spending-cut/

poison pen

April 6th, 2011
8:59 am

Mary, are you a liberal lap monkey? I can read and I specifically asked you, not Jay.

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
8:59 am

-Those additional billions means absolutely nothing in terms of the long-term deficit

Then it shouldn’t be hard for for the Demwits to compromise on since it’s so insignificant. If they really wanted their budget, they should have passed it at the beginning of the year (last September) when they were in control of everything and could have done whatever they wanted to. Instead they chose to do nothing and now thye are throwing a tantrum at the last second because they are not getting their way.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
8:59 am

As you folks know, I have been very tough on BHO so far, but the reality is that he has one helluva situation on his hands.

If he can merely slow the avalanche of GOP incompetence and destructiveness, perhaps the republic will recover from the devastation – financial, environmental and across all policy fronts – left behind from thirty years of fake conservatism, chosen wars and trickle down poverty.

I am exceedingly impatient by nature, but maybe his baby steps are the right method.

Gawd does that repugnant political party utterly lacking in moral courage need an Eisenhower these days…

Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

April 6th, 2011
9:00 am

I’m blaming this entire debacle on race and global warming.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
9:00 am

“I specifically asked you, not Jay.”

Sigh. Once again, with feeling, this is an OPEN BLOG. If you want a private reply from Jay, his email works

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:00 am

Well, JKL2, I wouldn’t say the Democrat party did NOTHING last year. They did get those tax cuts for the rich extended!

poison pen

April 6th, 2011
9:02 am

SoCo, that’s what voting is for, if they don’t like what is going on then vote them out, regardless of which party is doing it.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
9:02 am

2nd off topic

RW

If you catch this, this is information about pay during a shutdown that I was talking about yesterday. Here’s a bit of proof that you requested….

Most federal employees still don’t know whether they would have to work during a shutdown, but Cabinet secretaries and other agency bosses began answering questions late Tuesday by distributing a Q&A regarding the effect such an event would have on federal pay and benefits.

The guidance warns that employees may not voluntarily work during a shutdown and that all essential and nonessential personnel would be paid only if Congress approved such funding after a shutdown ended. Any workers scheduled to take paid leave would not be able to, and some would be eligible for unemployment benefits if a shutdown continued for more than a few days.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/government-shutdown-details-begin-trickling-out-to-workers/2011/04/05/AFL6GwlC_story.html

If the gov’t shuts down, hopefully it’s only for the weekend or something. I honestly do not believe, Wells Fargo, GA Power, or anyone else who I have to make payments to will take an IOU because of the shutdown.

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
9:02 am

I thought the GOP was going to fix the deficit and debt once they got elected. A cut of 100 billion doesn’t even amount to a tithe. Obviously, Republicans are not even interested in balancing the budget, given such talk. They’re only interested in doling out more tax cuts for the wealthiest.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:03 am

Looks like they’re headed for a recount in Wisconsin. Democrats define “recount” as changing the rules and recounting until the Democrat is ahead, then declare victory.

poison pen

April 6th, 2011
9:03 am

Doggone, I didn’t ask for a reply from Jay, please go back and comprehend what you read. I’m sure Mary is a big girl and can reply for herself.

Daedalus

April 6th, 2011
9:05 am

When the government shuts down, all construction activities funded by federal agencies, unless designated as addressing a national security or imminent health threat, also shut down.

The contractors “demobilize” from the site and incur costs, however, since the government is shut down, they don’t get paid for them. When the money flows again, the contractors go back to the site and resume work. This costs extra. Since its not part of the original contract, the contractos submit a claim for these costs. Its called a request for an equitable adjustment. If the government denies the claim, the contractors can sue. They almost always win these cases.

This is why even John Boehner recognized that shutting down construction contractors costs extra. Its too bad the ditto-heads on this blog cannot understand this elementary part of the business of construction contracting.

But go ahead you Tea-Parttiers, shut the government down. Government contractors will incur a nice extra sum and won’t have to pay their workers while they are idle. Its also great for the lawyers who represent government contractors.

In fact, its brilliant.

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
9:05 am

WOW- And the shutdown is about to cost taxpayers even more money”

Because of the unions. As soon as the new budget passes they will get all their money plus damages. A shut down only amounts to free paid vacation to government employees.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:06 am

This wouldn’t be going on if the Democrat party had done their job last year and passed a budget. I guess they didn’t because they wanted to “pick a fight with somebody they hate, somebody they’ve wanted a piece of for a long time.”

Deep Throat

April 6th, 2011
9:06 am

Poor little Obama,congress is taking his credit cards away. Welcome to reality Oblunder, your days of irresponsible spending are over.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
9:06 am

Jay, your fearless “leader” is doing his part……..he’s leaving…..again.

Obama headed out of D.C. as shutdown looms

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/44/post/despite-spending-impasse-obama-to-head-out-of-washington/2011/04/05/AFpsdknC_blog.html

jconservative

April 6th, 2011
9:06 am

This is actually about Boehner being unable to lead his own caucus. This is what happens when the two parties hand the gavel to someone just because he has been around a few years.

Now with Reid in the Senate and Boehner in the House, we have two incompetents in charge of Congress.

And remember, it is Congress who controls the spending of taxpayer money. It is Congress that determines what government services will be provided to the taxpayers in exchange for their tax money.

So it appears Congress wants to follow the Minnesota public union example and go on strike. So be it.

As we proved during the last shutdown, it costs more to shutdown and then reopen government than it does to keep it open and running. So if we shutdown things like national parks, Social Security applications and issuing passports lets just go ahead and do away with that government service.

There is enough people on Social Security already and we can sell the national parks. And who needs to get a pasport and travel to another country anyway? Just stay home and spend your money here in the USA?

Granny Godzilla

April 6th, 2011
9:07 am

according to a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll earlier this month a staggering 81 percent of Americans think it’s a good idea to increase taxes on incomes of more than $1 million a year…

LET’S GET THIS DONE.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
9:07 am

poison pen

I’m a firm believer in the vote. I don’t miss a vote, even if it’s just to decide what color to paint the bathrooms in the courthouse. Being an American of African descent, I had the opportunity to meet several people who marched from Selma to Montgomery and suffered beatings just so I could vote. I made a promise to them, that as long as I was breathing, I’m not missing a vote. So far, I have not missed one yet, and that was back in 1995.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:07 am

Uh, I thought the Obozo was going to do whatever it took to avoid a shutdown?

Deep Throat

April 6th, 2011
9:09 am

Daedalus, When the government shuts down, all construction activities funded by federal agencies, unless designated as addressing a national security or imminent health threat, also shut down.

It’s time the government stops funding illegal aliens anyhow.

Jay

April 6th, 2011
9:09 am

Really, Little One?

From Feb. 9, 2011, after a leadership meeting at the White House:

“Boehner said he told Obama the House intends to proceed Thursday with consideration of a spending measure that would include more drastic cuts than proposed by the White House.

The measure, which would extend the continuing resolution currently funding the government, is generally a way to maintain spending at the previous year’s level.

This time, though, House Republicans are proposing cuts that would reduce current government spending levels by more than $30 billion.”

From Feb. 10, 2011, the Christian Science Monitor:

“Washington

It’s been a long week for the new House Republican majority, stunned by losing two floor votes, having to postpone a trade vote, then scrambling to find a working majority in their own ranks on their No. 1 issue – reducing the size of government.

Republican leaders Wednesday floated a preliminary list of $32 billion in spending cuts for fiscal year 2011, now funded only through March 4. It’s draconian by historic standards for cuts in a single fiscal year. But party conservatives at a closed meeting on Wednesday dug in for cuts closer to the $100 billion pledged in the 2010 campaign, forcing GOP leaders back to the drawing board.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0210/Rebellion-in-GOP-ranks-How-Boehner-lost-control-of-the-House-this-week

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:09 am

Granny Godzilla: LET’S GET THIS DONE.
————————–

We already did. They now pay more of the tax burden than they did before our President Bush’s tax cuts.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
9:10 am

The best part of this ongoing GOP farce is when they trot out their slate of POTUS candidates for 2102.

Other than a couple of interesting prospects, this should be one helluva spectacle.

And I am convinced that the almost impossible is going to come to fruition.

And that embarrassing debacle of 2008 candidates is gonna look fairly attractive compared to, what is certainly going to be, the loonfest to come…

WOW

April 6th, 2011
9:10 am

“Being an American of African descent, I had the opportunity to meet several people who marched from Selma to Montgomery”

So why are you a Bama fan? They’ve never even had a black quarterback?

“according to a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll earlier this month a staggering 81 percent of Americans think it’s a good idea to increase taxes on incomes of more than $1 million a year…’

Wealth envy. Got a link to that poll Granny or is this another copy and paste job from Media Matters?

JKL2

Can’t wait for the union busting bills to pass in other rust belt states!

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
9:11 am

“Democrats define “recount” as changing the rules and recounting until the Democrat is ahead, then declare victory.”

:lol:

yeah. just ignore the Florida debacle

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
9:11 am

Redact 2102 to read 2012…

Disgusted

April 6th, 2011
9:12 am

It’s these Republican “policy riders” that are gumming things up. They want Obama and the Democrats to agree to defunding the health care law and Planned Parenthood, among others, for the short term. Once they’ve gotten that, they can proceed to write the 2012 budget to write out these causes, pointing out that the Democrats have already “conceded” those cuts. No way will Obama and the Democrats agree to those cuts. That’s why the Boner refers to the Democrats’ cuts as “smoke and mirrors.” He and his supporters want their idealogy included in the budget cuts.

Federal employees, prepare for the shutdown. Military, prepare to scrimp for your families. The House GOP doesn’t consist of budget writers; they’re pure idealogues using the budget as a weapon.

Normal

April 6th, 2011
9:12 am

Call it like it is

April 6th, 2011
9:13 am

This just in from Jay Bookman at the AJC, Republicans and Democrats dont like each other……….stay tune for details…..

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
9:13 am

USinUK- well, giving them the $30B in cuts that they asked for, for one …

And how is that going to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term as Obama promised?

poison pen

April 6th, 2011
9:13 am

SoCo, I agree with you on your voting ethics, congrats.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
9:13 am

“As you folks know, I have been very tough on BHO so far, but the reality is that he has one helluva situation on his hands.”

Funniest comment. Ever. Vet, I’ve never read one single comment from you, other than Friday night music, that didn’t involve something about slamming the GOP or their voters.

Dude, you are HILARIOUS!

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:15 am

Sorry, Jay, but your link is from two days before mine. You know (or should) that after discussions within the GOP, Boehner increased the proposed spending cut to $100 billion on a full year basis.

Checkmate.

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
9:16 am

If the Boneheaded Republicans cannot propose substantial reductions in the deficit, on the order of one trillion dollars, why should Obama even give them the time of day. Republicans are not interested in really working on the nation’s debt and deficit given that they have yet to propose any real cuts. Their dream plan from Ryan only cuts 0.1 trillion from the debt in ten years. What a joke.

ty webb

April 6th, 2011
9:17 am

“As you folks know, I have been very tough on BHO so far, but the reality is that he has one helluva situation on his hands.”

yeah Amvet, stop bogarting, and pass whatever it is you’re smoking around.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:17 am

Long story short, the GOP proposal for months has been $100 billion in cuts on a full year basis. If Democrats want to compromise at $200 billion or $300 billion, I’m sure the GOP would consider that.

Soothsayer

April 6th, 2011
9:18 am

Jay, now that you have your morning column written I hope that you can go back and review last night’s posts. I really surprised to see Lil Barry here this morning.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:19 am

And I’m surprised that folks who made threats of physical violence against me are still here.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
9:19 am

norm

That was funny!

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
9:20 am

Fetch!

Roll over!

DON’T speak!

Bad dog.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7mXIJo8plU

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
9:20 am

Amvet

LoonFest 2012: Republican Hills Chihuahua 2!

Normal: Funny. :D I especially love any reference to “Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!”

md

April 6th, 2011
9:20 am

Does it really matter?

Big picture…..they are fighting over peanuts when the whole farm is on the verge of going under.

Pitiful.

And folks here just want to play politics……….

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:21 am

How’s that truther project coming, Sooth? Any new videos coming out? Or did the funding dry up after our President Bush completed his eight years in office?

Normal

April 6th, 2011
9:22 am

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
9:22 am

Democrats, it is not too late to start attacking the other side’s obsession with cutting spending head on. Most people are only now starting to pay attention to this.

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
9:22 am

The GOP rallied around Ryan’s plan for a prosperous upper class. Nothing more. He offered to throw millions of poor and elderly and disabled under the bus in order to fund bigger tax cuts for the wealthy while doing nothing worth so much as a footnote to reduce the debt or deficit. The Republican Party is all mouth, no action. No results. No real cuts. No debt reduction. No deficit reduction. The Party of No strikes again. I Object. Where’s Tom Price when the GOP needs him.

Peadawg

April 6th, 2011
9:23 am

If the Boneheaded Democrats cannot even pass a budget when they control both the House AND the Senate….

Obama isn’t interested in really working on the nation’s debt and deficit given that he just got us involved in Libya.

Fixed your typos, TaxPayer.

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
9:23 am

Daedalus-

The fiscal year for the government starts October 1. You need to realize that anything that happens now falls squarely on the shoulders of the Deomcrat party. They had their chance and blew it because they knew the public wouldn’t stand for the BS they are proposing and didn’t want to be embarrassed before an election. The sad part is the cuts aren’t deep enough but yet the Demwits still can’t get on board.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
9:23 am

ty, quit being such a parasite and go buy your own!

Granny @9:07, are you saying trickle down hasn’t worked out real well for the working class?

Too funny…

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
9:23 am

md

“Big picture…..they are fighting over peanuts when the whole farm is on the verge of going under”

Yep.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:23 am

“it is not too late to start attacking the other side’s obsession with cutting spending”

Yeah, that sounds responsible!

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
9:23 am

BTW…48% align with the Tea Party.

Cite?

because here’s what I found, and the trendline ain’t pretty:

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/30/poll-shows-more-americans-have-unfavorable-views-tea-party/

I think Nate’s correct when he says “this is almost certainly a case of Americans who had ambivalent views about the Tea Party before now coming to a more negative impression.”

- – - –

A cut of 100 billion doesn’t even amount to a tithe. Obviously, Republicans are not even interested in balancing the budget, given such talk. They’re only interested in doling out more tax cuts for the wealthiest.

Not true. They’re also interested in specifically demolishing programs that empower the groundlings—public broadcasting, reproductive health, voter enfranchisement, etc.

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
9:24 am

Did someone really threaten to hurt Lil BB. Y’all leave the little fella alone. Can’t y’all see he’s hurtin’ enough without y’alls help.

kayaker 71

April 6th, 2011
9:25 am

30B budget reduction. Like taking a leak in the Pacific Ocean.

Lee

April 6th, 2011
9:25 am

Jay says: “Once Obama agreed to $33 billion, the GOP demand became $40 billion. Those additional billions means absolutely nothing in terms of the long-term deficit, but everything to a party hell-bent on a shutdown”

That’s right, $30 billion, $40 billion (pick a number) means nothing when you’re bleeding red ink to the tune of TRILLIONS, but Jay continues to be a schill for his boy obama.

Personally, I, like many Americans, am disgusted with Washington and their kindergarten antics. Unfortunately, a significant percentage of Americans do not have the financial knowledge to realize what a dire position this country is in.

Deep Throat

April 6th, 2011
9:26 am

Budget 101 , expenses can not be more than your income.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
9:26 am

Granny Godzilla

April 6th, 2011
9:27 am

AmVet

Granny @9:07, are you saying trickle down hasn’t worked out real well for the working class?

ya’ think? being the nasty nasty granny I am I’d have to say
it worked sorta…. we are being “tinkled” on (cleaned up to protect what’s his names sweet sensibilities)

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
9:28 am

“Big picture…..they are fighting over peanuts when the whole farm is on the verge of going under”

I thought it was peanut butter. Or was it the processing of peanut butter. Or was it the federal government’s absurd regulations governing the processing of peanut butter that is sold to consumers. Yes, I do believe that is what the Republicans were so upset about, those nasty regulations that impaired their constituency’s ability to profit.

Lil' Barry's shadow

April 6th, 2011
9:28 am

And I’m surprised that folks who made threats of physical violence against me are still here.

Why did you make the comment on Friday that 60% of Black Women are sluts?

Can you provide evidence?

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
9:28 am

Psychopath Republican Politics

“The Republican base wants and needs a confrontation with Obama, not a compromise. It has sought that outcome from the beginning, and it will not be denied that satisfaction.”

Like the psychopath Begsy the Trainspotting confronting his fellow bar patron with a broken beer glass, these Republicans haven’t the slightest interest in compromise with the Kenyan, Marxist, Socialist from Kenya er Hawaii or whatever.

“But it’s not about getting to yes. It’s about getting to no. Once Obama agreed to $33 billion, the GOP demand became $40 billion.”

Only now am I starting to see – this is becoming a pattern – the wisdom, the cunning even, of Obama’s apparent rubber-spinedness in compliantly going along with the generous $40b+ figures. It’s clear where the pressure for the showdown is coming from, meaning all one has to do is flip perspectives and you suddenly realize that the GOP is the side with everything to lose. All Obama has to do – once again – is make sure he appears reasonable and voila, the stage is set for a perfect repeat of 1995, on steroids.

Which by the way the mainstream media (except for Eliot Spitzer) completely whiffed on yesterday, painting this as something both parties will suffer equally from. I frankly think this could well end very very badly for Boehner and his party. And come July, if there’s not a serious taking to the woodshed within the GOP caucus, it could of course end very badly for all of us.

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
9:28 am

Yeah, that sounds responsible!

Until we have job growth well above 200K per month for long enough to get the percentage of unemployed to a reasonable level (I’d peg that at somewhere below 5%), yes, it is.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
9:29 am

Republican Budget 101: Expenses when the President is a Dem cannot be more than income. Its okay when its a Republican, in fact you can even cut revenue.

md

April 6th, 2011
9:29 am

“Budget 101 , expenses can not be more than your income.”

Well……they can and are for many…….that is why the last crisis hurt so much. Too many over-extended.

So the remedy………let’s do the same on a bigger scale…………

Oh Joy…….

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
9:32 am

normal

M*ddow? M*ddow? Hmmmm…

WillieRae

April 6th, 2011
9:32 am

Progressives are hoping and angling for a shutdown in the confident belief that their media toadies will shill faithfully for them. They can always count on Bookman to toe the line.

The democrats have done nearly nothing to come to the table with real alternatives. Sustaining the boat of a government that is spending eight times what it takes in seems their only goal.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:33 am

Lil’ Barry’s shadow: Why did you make the comment on Friday that 60% of Black Women are sluts?
——————–

Because we were discussing the rate of births to unwed mothers, and the group with the highest rate was black women, at 60%.

md

April 6th, 2011
9:33 am

“I thought it was peanut butter.”

Which will also not exist if there are no peanut farms……….

md

April 6th, 2011
9:34 am

“Until we have job growth well above 200K per month for long enough to get the percentage of unemployed to a reasonable level…”

And what if that is never achieved??

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
9:35 am

Wouldn’t it be ironic if Lil BB turned out to be Andy in de skies, with cubic zirconia. He’d be a real hit. Oh Lucy! I’m home.

jm

April 6th, 2011
9:35 am

Jay, its about what is being cut and how – no accounting gimmicks.

Jay

April 6th, 2011
9:35 am

Little One, who made threats of physical violence against you?

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
9:35 am

“Progressives are hoping and angling for a shutdown ”

wow. talk about living in a parallel universe

ty webb

April 6th, 2011
9:36 am

Granny,
What’s up with the obsession with “golden showers” lately? Someone being neglected at home?

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
9:36 am

OK, I’m out for awhile ladies, gentlemen and trolls.

You peeps enjoy the two and a half misanthropes…(Thank gawd, one is semi-muzzled. Alas, the other even more disgusting one is running rampant!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zanYEIdVvKw

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:36 am

I’m not one to rat others out, Jay. I’m a big boy and can take the empty threats.

Deep Throat

April 6th, 2011
9:36 am

Liberals personal Budget 101 lets spend on our credit cards and when we reach our limit lets get new cards to run up more debt, Oblunder will bail us out .

jm

April 6th, 2011
9:37 am

My 9:35 said,… If its a clean $33 B’s in cuts, the R’s should take it and work on 2012.

Deep Throat

April 6th, 2011
9:37 am

see ya later Nonvet

@@

April 6th, 2011
9:37 am

jay, did you really write this:

…put more crudely and perhaps accurately, it’s about people picking a fight with somebody they hate…

Hate’s a pretty strong word. More like “somebody, to whose spending policies, they have an aversion.”

aversion: a tendency to extinguish a behavior or to avoid a thing or situation and especially a usually pleasurable one because it is or has been associated with a noxious stimulus.

I don’t hate the guy. I find him frustrating, misguided, aloof, and well…somewhat…incompetent.

On a personal level, he’s likely a nice fella.

No need to make it more personal than it actually is, jay.

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
9:38 am

Because we were discussing the rate of births to unwed mothers, and the group with the highest rate was black women, at 60%.

The group with the highest number is white women so what does that make them in your world of labeled things — the majority perhaps.

Cowboy Poet

April 6th, 2011
9:39 am

I ride my hoss,
a chokin my chicken.
come 2012,
GOP gonna get a lickin.

Tax money is my RIGHT,
GOP gonna get a fight.

Until 2012, we poets on strike.

Dr. Pangloss

April 6th, 2011
9:39 am

I used to work with a lady named Marj who really needed to be retired. She’d come up with a crackpot idea and stand at your desk, demanding that you do it her way.

Even after you finally gave up and said, “Okay, Marj, we’ll do it your way,” she still wouldn’t go away. Just had to stay there and bug you and keep you from getting it work done.

The GOP has become Marj in its grand old age.

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
9:39 am

USinUK-

So not that it matters to you, but I’m guessing you’re really praying that obamacare gets overturned. It’s the only way any of this comes close to being acurate. And of course you;re going to keep his new war off the books too…

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
9:39 am

I’m not one to rat others out, Jay. I’m a big boy and can take the empty threats.

Come on Lil BB. You made the claim. Be a big boy and back it up.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:40 am

TaxPayer probably doesn’t grasp the difference between velocity and distance traveled, either.

Granny Godzilla

April 6th, 2011
9:40 am

ty webb

April 6th, 2011
9:36 am
Granny,
What’s up with the obsession with “golden showers” lately? Someone being neglected at home?

AH, you too show how you fit into Grannys Law # 2 – he who smelt it dealt it. See, we were discussing trickle down and since it involves liquid heading down, and in reality all the down ward movement has been hurtful to most of the American people we made a “wee wee” joke. BUT you get all XXX on us. You and Justice Thomas share websites do you?

Normal

April 6th, 2011
9:40 am

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
9:32 am

Josef,
For my money, she’s the best there is…

Lil' Barry's shadow

April 6th, 2011
9:40 am

Because we were discussing the rate of births to unwed mothers, and the group with the highest rate was black women, at 60%.

You are an idiot. Any woman that has a baby that is not married is called a slut in your world. You should not make comments like that because not only is the slut term unacceptable but it is a biased racist term!! Do you even realize how foolish you sound??

@@

April 6th, 2011
9:41 am

More credit where credit’s due.

His whining has greatly subsided.

Dr. Pangloss

April 6th, 2011
9:41 am

Deep Throat
April 6th, 2011
9:36 am

Liberals personal Budget 101 lets spend on our credit cards and when we reach our limit lets get new cards to run up more debt, Oblunder will bail us out .
————-
That’s what Reagan and Bush did.

And most people outgrow mispronouncing somebody’s name as a form of derision by the time they’re in middle school.

TnGelding

April 6th, 2011
9:42 am

And they’ll get their butts kicked…again. Boehner doesn’t want a shutdown, but he doesn’t want to have to depend on votes from the Dems. He needs to forget about the GOP’s dreams and work out something with Reid and Obama.

And Mr. Ryan wan’t that impressive last night.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
9:42 am

jkl – keeping wars off the books is a W tactic

RB from Gwinnett

April 6th, 2011
9:42 am

It’s about time somebody had the courage to say “NO” Jay. Constantly allowing socialists like yourself to rob the public for all your needy causes isn’t a solution. If Obama had guts, he’s propose the massive tax increase needed to fix the problem instead of a few dollars of cuts and pushing the problem down the road.

And it’s unbelievable we’re haggling over this year’s budget the ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC dims failed to pass even when they had total control.

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
9:42 am

And what if that is never achieved??

Md, great question. If we can’t manage the economy to get nearly everyone who is willing and able to work a living-wage job, we’re fcrewn. We don’t have a functional nation any more.

You and I obviously have different methodologies for getting us to “full” (not really, but you get what I mean) employment. I submit that mine is more sensible. Folks can fret all they like about scary-sounding deficits (as if there’s something magically diabolical about the word “Trillion,” when in fact it’s merely 3 grand or so per person in additional debt; while somewhat sobering, it’s hardly the stuff of nightmares), or they can look ahead at what we could accomplish if we spent money on worthwhile projects.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
9:42 am

Well lil bar decided to attack somebody that is ill and HD for no reason last night.

People were outaged but I think he is bitter because he can’t pay his bills.

There were no threats of violence.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
9:42 am

@@

I agree that hate is one of those words we’ve been throwing around willy-nilly until it’s all but lost its punch…but in this case, I tend to agree with Jay. And I’ll say the same about the other side and some of their behavior.

kayaker 71

April 6th, 2011
9:42 am

30B? We pay more than that in monthly interest payments on our debt. What do they say about all of those uninformed people who only pay the interest on their credit card debt? “It will take some time to pay it off”. Where did these idiots get their training in basic economics? It’s all about votes, my friends, all about votes.

Dr. Pangloss

April 6th, 2011
9:43 am

Oops! Typo: mean to say “getting any work done.”

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:44 am

People were outraged? People SHOULD be outraged…by folks shirking their responsibilities for themselves and their family members.

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
9:44 am

Lil BB, it’s about time for you to be a big boy. Travel that road that you have avoided for so long. Back up your claim about being threatened. Go the distance at whatever speed you’re most comfortable with.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
9:44 am

can’t they at least say “no, thank you”

manners cost nothing …

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
9:45 am

“Gawd does that repugnant political party utterly lacking in moral courage need an Eisenhower these days…”

They do, AmVet. His name is Ryan, Paul Ryan.

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
9:45 am

Prophetic words from Mr. Krugman last November:

Electing Republicans Will Condemn The Nation To Years Of Chaos

Barring a huge upset, Republicans will take control of at least one house of Congress next week. How worried should we be by that prospect?

Not very, say some pundits. After all, the last time Republicans controlled Congress while a Democrat lived in the White House was the period from the beginning of 1995 to the end of 2000. And people remember that era as a good time, a time of rapid job creation and responsible budgets. Can we hope for a similar experience now?

No, we can’t. This is going to be terrible. In fact, future historians will probably look back at the 2010 election as a catastrophe for America, one that condemned the nation to years of political chaos and economic weakness.

Deep Throat

April 6th, 2011
9:46 am

Obama’s budget plan includes Speaking Chinese For DUMMIES.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:46 am

Was your choice of the name “TaxPayer” intended to be ironic?

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
9:46 am

USinUK

“manners cost nothing …”

And it’s not as though the market is glutted…

poison pen

April 6th, 2011
9:47 am

Granny, are you even aware of the Justice Thomas proceedings? I watched them all and I didn’t see any evidence of any wrongdoing. Why bring race into it?

WOW

April 6th, 2011
9:47 am

“Which by the way the mainstream media (except for Eliot Spitzer) ”

Spitzer. Ain’t he that Democrat that had to resign because of prostitution? LOL

“Why did you make the comment on Friday that 60% of Black Women are sluts?”

“You are an idiot. Any woman that has a baby that is not married is called a slut in your world. You should not make comments like that because not only is the slut term unacceptable but it is a biased racist term!! Do you even realize how foolish you sound??”

Ah yes, more name calling by left wingers!

“keeping wars off the books is a W tactic’

So what do you call starting a third war and pretending it’s not a war?

“Well lil bar decided to attack somebody that is ill and HD for no reason last night.”

I love left wing liars. Hey getalife, guess you failed to see that one little remark Midori made that started that whole mess. You know, the part where she called LBB a maggot.

Let’s see, the highest out of wedlock birthrates belongs to black women. Rap/R&B videos portray black women as sluts. Hmmmm, wherever did Lil Barry get that idea?

“What’s up with the obsession with “golden showers” lately? ‘

She does seem to be obsessed with urine.

“OK, I’m out for awhile ladies, gentlemen and trolls.”

More name calling by the guy who stated that he has been harsh on Obama.

“You peeps enjoy the two and a half misanthropes…(Thank gawd, one is semi-muzzled. Alas, the other even more disgusting one is running rampant!)”

Yes, nothing like a left winger wanting free speech curbed. Imagine that.

“The group with the highest number is white women ”

Just because you saw a few episodes of MTV’s Teen Mom, doesn’t make your claim true, Tax.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
9:48 am

“People were outraged? People SHOULD be outraged…by folks shirking their responsibilities for themselves and their family members.”

I get it lil bar. You are bitter because you are doing exactly that very thing.

You don’t have a job unless you are paid to blog here all day and night.

You can’t pay your bills and taking it out others.

Ask for help.

Jay

April 6th, 2011
9:49 am

If you can take the empty threats, Little One, why did you complain publicly about them?

It’s a very serious charge that I cannot leave unaddressed now that you’ve raised it. Who made threats of physical violence against you?

Deep Throat

April 6th, 2011
9:49 am

Dr Panglos, you should have listened to your mother.

TnGelding

April 6th, 2011
9:49 am

A slut is a slut is a slut, black or white. Jackie O., Princess Di and Liz Taylor come to mind. But having a baby out of wedlock doesn’t necessarily make you one. Let’s give these mothers all the help we can.

lovelyliz

April 6th, 2011
9:50 am

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
9:50 am

Just because you saw a few episodes of MTV’s Teen Mom, doesn’t make your claim true, Tax.

Still trying to live up to your moniker, WOW. Well, that one didn’t do it for me. It was about the lamest I’ve seen from you all day.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
9:51 am

“Did someone really threaten to hurt Lil BB.”

Not that I recall. Someone did mention being surprised that no one had hurt him…but that is not a threat to actually do that.

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
9:52 am

Oh Well. Time to go play a while. Y’all have fun.

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
9:52 am

Grotesquely off-topic, but I just gotta go here…

Any woman that has a baby that is not married is called a slut in your world.

Funny, LBB, I don’t recall you laying into our “Harry Callahan” for claiming that only “trashy people” conceive out of wedlock. When pressed, on this, “Harry” said that even though a couple might marry within three months of conception, thus making the child “legitimate,” they were still “trashy.”

(Harry was, of course, speaking of Obama’s parents, whose apparent contraception failure occurred in an era when only barrier methods were available.)

For those learning of this for the first time, Paul had some fun with Harry here…

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2011/03/21/in-libya-obama-playing-the-cards-hes-been-dealt/?cp=25#comment-541667

Lil' Barry's shadow

April 6th, 2011
9:52 am

“Why did you make the comment on Friday that 60% of Black Women are sluts?”

“You are an idiot. Any woman that has a baby that is not married is called a slut in your world. You should not make comments like that because not only is the slut term unacceptable but it is a biased racist term!! Do you even realize how foolish you sound??”

Ah yes, more name calling by left wingers!

Did I call you out? This conversation is between Lil’ Barry and I. Unless I direct anything to you, stay out of the conversation.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
9:53 am

“Who made threats of physical violence against you?”

A few weeks ago AmVet said he’d punch me in the face if he ever saw me on the streets. I’m still waiting to run into him on the streets.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
9:53 am

Jay, to save you wasting time on the LBB’s childish game playing, you can review the record starting with Midori’s heartfelt post last night about her own personal health issues and read from there. .

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2011/04/05/7498/?cp=7#comment-559214

ty webb

April 6th, 2011
9:55 am

Seems this place has been taken over by a bunch of “hall monitors”. lighten up people.

Lil' Barry's shadow

April 6th, 2011
9:55 am

Lil’ Barry what would you call Bristol Palin?

jm

April 6th, 2011
9:55 am

The chart in this article is all you need to know about the competing Republican and Democratic plans. One solves the deficit, the other does not.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703806304576244522761581288.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

TnGelding

April 6th, 2011
9:56 am

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
9:51 am

I’m surprised he hasn’t been locked up for his own protection?

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:57 am

Jay: If you can take the empty threats, Little One, why did you complain publicly about them?
—————-

While my comment was public, it was intended for one person only. Thanks for your concern.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
9:57 am

Why would anyone consider the iced tea party a factor anymore after their ferocious rally of 200 (half of that fox reporters) last week?

jm

April 6th, 2011
9:57 am

Here I am picturing Jay, a guy holding a goldfish tied to a string, dangling over a frustrated housecat (LBB)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
9:58 am

Myself…I’d call Bristol milking them like her mother…$260k+ income last year for talking about getting knocked up. Wait till she, mom and snooki team up with Charlie Sheen for a real “winning” tour

Granny Godzilla

April 6th, 2011
9:58 am

poison pen

April 6th, 2011
9:47 am
Granny, are you even aware of the Justice Thomas proceedings? I watched them all and I didn’t see any evidence of any wrongdoing. Why bring race into it?

I didn’t you big silly!!!!! Porn – ask Lillian McEwen. Then read “Blinded by the right” about those hearings.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
9:58 am

Lil’ Barry’s shadow: Lil’ Barry what would you call Bristol Palin?
—————-

I’ve been informed that it’s untoward to attack the family members of politicians, so I suppose I’d call her “Ms. Palin”.

Fletch

April 6th, 2011
9:59 am

Jay, do you know what 30BN is in the grand scheme of things? A peanut on a watermelon farm.

This is pretty much the only time Obama has not gotten his way – that is the big thing Dems are really shocked by. The Repubs are pretty clear on their requests, you all just don’t want to hear it. They are asking for a 1.6% reduction, why is that so unbelievable?

TnGelding

April 6th, 2011
9:59 am

Clinton and the Democrats.solved the deficit in 1993. What in the world happened? Shouldn’t the debt be nearly paid off by now?

@@

April 6th, 2011
10:00 am

josef:

Perhaps a small segment, but jay makes it read as though, overALL, he (Obama) is what drives the hatred. I don’t agree. It’s his perception. His is a disturbed sensory of the world around him.

He lives in a bubble…breathing in his own idealism. Makes him heady.

Road Scholar

April 6th, 2011
10:00 am

So Co: In the past Congress has paid the federal workforce after a shut down. They were paid….for doing NOTHING! They have bills to pay just like us. So, all you in favor of a shutdown, do you want them to be paid for doing nothing or take the $30 B cut? At least by taking the $30 B, you can move on to bigger cuts later.

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
10:01 am

TnG- Let’s give these mothers all the help we can

Self esteem classes and birth control.

Feel free to help them all you want. Just don’t expect to use my tax dollars to replace babydaddy.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:01 am

“Midori’s heartfelt post last night”

So in a nutshell – Ryan can go Cheney himself.

The GOP supporting his goofball proposals as well.

What a heartfelt comment, Keep.

“Did I call you out? This conversation is between Lil’ Barry and I. Unless I direct anything to you, stay out of the conversation.”

LOL!!!!!! You threatening me, shaddow? You talking to me?

“Lil’ Barry what would you call Bristol Palin?”

A baby mama with a hot mama.

retiredds

April 6th, 2011
10:02 am

The truth comes out, this from Bloomberg News this morning,

“Representative Paul Ryan’s budget proposal to end traditional Medicare for future generations would benefit private insurers, whose employees have given the Wisconsin Republican more money than any other industry.

Ryan has received $672,203 from insurance employees and their families since 1997, his largest industry source of campaign donations, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a Washington research group. The figure includes all insurers, not just health-insurance companies. Employees of Blue Cross/Blue Shield companies and their trade group gave $48,650, his ninth-largest individual source of funds.”

Another politician who is indebted to the industry that pays (ooops, I’m sorry, political contributions are not payment for favors) his way. Ahhh, the transparency of it all.

jm

April 6th, 2011
10:03 am

Ryan’s plan cuts almost a cool $1 Trillion from Security spending over the next 10 years versus the Obama budget. Sounds like Ryan’s budget is already a compromise. They should pass it, tell Obama to sign it, and move on.

:)

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:03 am

Obama has hit rock bottom.

President Obama looks to Rev. Al Sharpton for help in 2012 reelection bid

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/04/06/2011-04-06_obama_looks_to_al_for_help_in_12_run.html#ixzz1IkQtTbWY

Lil' Barry's shadow

April 6th, 2011
10:03 am

I’ve been informed that it’s untoward to attack the family members of politicians, so I suppose I’d call her “Ms. Palin”.

If she was Obama’s daughter in the same situation she would fit into the 60% Black Woman slut category? Grow up BOY!!

TnGelding

April 6th, 2011
10:04 am

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
10:01 am

That should certainly be part of the package.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:04 am

“A few weeks ago AmVet said he’d punch me in the face if he ever saw me on the streets. I’m still waiting to run into him on the streets.”

Well, why are snitching when you admitted you come here to make folks angry.

You deserve it so man up and quit crying to daddy.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:04 am

Get Real

April 6th, 2011
10:05 am

FOR THE DEMOCRATS IT’S ALL ABOUT NO

There ya go Jaybo; I fixed your typos

jm

April 6th, 2011
10:05 am

Wow, damn near everything is up today, except for my asia fishing stock. Looks like the market is pro-shutdown. :)

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
10:05 am

Jo Nix – “And it’s not as though the market is glutted…”

that made me snort – thanks for the laugh!

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:05 am

Of course, insurers also gave $20,175,303 to President Obama’s 2008 campaign, roughly triple what McCain netted.

http://www.openmarket.org/2010/01/13/health-insurance-and-campaign-contributions/

WOODSTOCK MIKE

April 6th, 2011
10:07 am

So Jay, I guess your recommendation is to keep on spending money we don’t have. Great idea!! Anyone who is educated and looks at the financial situation in America will easily understand that major cuts have to be made now. This isn’t some kind of fabricated story, the numbers are what they are. Any economist that looks at the deficit will tell you this is the most important issue in America right now. Democrats will lie about the effects of the cuts but the cuts are coming no matter what. The areas where cuts are being made will have very little effect on our society. Nothing is going to stop the cuts. So funny to see how Democrats completely lie about the effects of these cuts and people just listen and agree without any real knowledge of the topic. And the Democrats are really giving the “Tea Party” more credit than they deserve, this may come back to really bite them in the end…

jm

April 6th, 2011
10:07 am

Paul Ryan is awesome.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
10:08 am

dB – 9:52 – DANG! thanks for the rerun … yet another reason I loves me some Paul.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

April 6th, 2011
10:08 am

How about taking a look at Europe and the cuts they are making? You think they are doing it just for the fun of it??

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
10:09 am

LB shadow- what would you call Bristol Palin?

A teenager who made a mistake with an immature idiot. Now she is self sufficient and living on her own instead of sitting around trying to produce more welfare recipients.

md

April 6th, 2011
10:10 am

sfd,

I ask the question because too many count on there always being a recovery. Yet Japan is a case study of the question. This article gives a good comparison of the main theories, and much of what they did/do is being done here.

http://mises.org/daily/1099

Planning a budget on what may be vs what is, is always a very dangerous game to play………..

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:11 am

We can make the cuts ourselves now, or have them made for us by the folks the Idiot Messiah is selling the country to…China.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
10:11 am

**Paul Ryan is awesome.**

OK, so he made a proposal, unfortunately many are not buying including some in his own party. Yes, give him credit for a plan or better yet a starting point..

TnGelding

April 6th, 2011
10:11 am

Obama didn’t punt. He got stopped on 4th down with the economy. Let’s get everyone back to work and then worry about the deficit. But I could support biting the bullet now, because the GOP is never going to agree to let the Bush tax rate changes expire. Ryan’s proposal is really very modest. He left the Pentagon virtually intact. Newt wanted to make it a triangle 15 years ago.

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
10:12 am

retiredds- Representative Paul Ryan’s budget proposal to end traditional Medicare

Good thing we have obamacare. It fixes everything…

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:12 am

lil bar,

If you go to the HP and ask for help they have a micro giving program for folks that need help.

You should go there and ask for help.

Granny Godzilla

April 6th, 2011
10:12 am

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
10:09 am
LB shadow- what would you call Bristol Palin?

A teenager who made a mistake with an immature idiot. Now she is self sufficient and living on her own instead of sitting around trying to produce more welfare recipients.

seen the reporting on the Candies Foundation? They paid Ms. Palin 7 times what they spent on actual teen pregnancy prevention

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:13 am

“Well, why are snitching when you admitted you come here to make folks angry.

You deserve it so man up and quit crying to daddy.”

There’s a remedial English class at UGA with your name on it.

retired early

April 6th, 2011
10:13 am

How in the world did a relatively small group of people ( Tea Party ) basically take complete control of the Republican Party. The GOP leader of the House, Boehner has now ‘morphed’ into their ‘talking head’. So now we know for sure…these spineless Repubs are far more concerned with getting reelected than in doing what is best for this country.
Party First…country second.
The funny part is that the Tea Party is full of lunatics….who are ‘leading the grand old party’ into never never land and they are OK with that as long as… they still get to be in charge !!
First they prostituted the party to the ‘religious right’ ( thanks to the brilliant Karl Rowe ) only to be forever handicapped by requiring all GOP candidates to be ‘Born againers’ who do not believe in modern science. Now that candidate’s credentials has to also include being on the lunatic fringe…must have an intellect on a par with high school dropouts…be theatrical enough to lie with that patented GOP ’straight face’ we are so used to to seeing…and will always carry the torch for those oppressed top 10% income earners and corporations to their …last dying breath…
I can’t wait to see the total moron they finally ‘chose’ to run this country…good grief.

Rafe Hollister

April 6th, 2011
10:13 am

Jay, if the wife has exceeded the credit limit on two credit cards a democrat gets here a third, a republican says thats it, stop the spending now. It is ridiculous, there is nothing that Barry will not spend money on.

He increased spending on discretionary spending by 24% in the last two years and he can not find 60 billion in cuts, come on. The cuts he proposed are mythical, like the 500 billion he wants to save in Medicare and spend on Obamacare, while using the money to save Medicare. His budget trickery may work on the dumb masses, but anyone with a room temp IQ knows that he does not want to cut spending and is just pretending to play the game.

Midori

April 6th, 2011
10:14 am

“Midori’s heartfelt post last night”

So in a nutshell – Ryan can go Cheney himself.

The GOP supporting his goofball proposals as well.

What a heartfelt comment, Keep.

yes — it was and isi heartfelt.

you have a problem with that?

along with your many other problems?????

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:14 am

“There’s a remedial English class at UGA with your name on it.”

You don’t have a job too.

Do you need help too?

Rafe Hollister

April 6th, 2011
10:14 am

should be 500 Million in Medicare vice 500 Billion

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
10:15 am

“How about taking a look at Europe and the cuts they are making? You think they are doing it just for the fun of it??”

yes. do. and look at the impact it’s making on the economy there … not to mention, social unrest

TnGelding

April 6th, 2011
10:16 am

The way I understand it the IMF will move in and force austerity measures, not China. If the filthy rich would buy our debt we wouldn’t have to rely on commies. And the rest of us could invest in the country, as well, until we’re over this crisis.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
10:16 am

“Now she is self sufficient and living on her own”

baHA … living on wingnut welfare, more like … reliant on the right-wingers to pay her to spout “just say no” nonsense …

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
10:17 am

Planning a budget on what may be vs what is, is always a very dangerous game to play…

sure. but budget based on projections we must, nevertheless.

Anyway, thanks for the article (I have nowhere near the time to really digest it now, but I’ve got it saved and will try to grasp the case being made when I do).

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
10:17 am

midori

Hey! Howzit goin? This sorry low down good for nothin’ public school employee’s waiting for a ride in your welfare cadillac! We’ll pick Hillbilly and his Dad up on the way… :-)

Lil' Barry's shadow

April 6th, 2011
10:18 am

LB shadow- what would you call Bristol Palin?

A teenager who made a mistake with an immature idiot. Now she is self sufficient and living on her own instead of sitting around trying to produce more welfare recipients.

There are several teenagers that make the same mistake “everyday”. Some choose to have the baby and some choose abortions. If she was not Palin’s daughter she would be a welfare recipient also..get a life and stop being a hypocrite.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
10:18 am

” if the wife has exceeded the credit limit on two credit cards a democrat gets here a third, a republican says thats it, stop the spending now”

:lol:

yep. good ol’ GOP – sooooooooooo fiscally responsible (pay no attention to Uncle Ronnie or, more recently, the drunken-sailor-on-shore-leave spending done by the 2000-2006 congress)

TnGelding

April 6th, 2011
10:18 am

You folks need to stop calling it ObamaCare. The GOP had a chance to submit its ideas and many were voted on. The bill was Pelosi and Reid’s baby. Does that make her a slut?

Rafe Hollister

April 6th, 2011
10:18 am

Retired early,

What you are advocating, is let us Dems tell you Reps how to structure your party and what to believe. We did it, when we picked out your candidate for you in 2008 and wasn’t McCain just wonderful.

You guys need to stick with running your own party and quit telling the Reps how to run theirs. If we are doing such a poor job, then you Dems should have no problem beating us at the polls.

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
10:19 am

Jay, if the wife has exceeded the credit limit on two credit cards a democrat gets here a third, a republican says thats it, stop the spending now.

Please stop confusing the economy of the wealthiest and most powerful nation ever on earth, whose currency continues to be the world standard of stability, with that of your own.

Please. It’s childish.

Midori

April 6th, 2011
10:19 am

LOL, Josef

just sitting here sipping my latte.

later I’ll get in my volvo and pick up some arugala and brie for lunch :lol:

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:20 am

TnGelding
April 6th, 2011
10:18 am
——————-

Actual LOL there…

poison pen

April 6th, 2011
10:20 am

Granny, I don’t need to read a one sided book, I watched all the hearings and I absolutely stand by what I said. If Anita Hill was so uoset by him then please tell me why she came back to tutor under him around 2 years after the so called incident.

Maybe you should read less and think for yourself, I can’t remember the old saying but it goes something like… believe nothing of what you read and half of what you see.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:20 am

“you have a problem with that?

along with your many other problems?????”

Thanks for proving my point, Midori. How many names have you called me and other bloggers? Many. You pretend to be this innocent sweet person and then turn around and do the complete opposite.

Sorry to hear about your medical problems but it’s no excuse to come on a blog and name call. Yeah, LBB is a bit extreme and needs to back off the “idiot messiah” crap but don’t sit here and pretend that you’re an innocent bystander.

Have a nice day and bless yer heart!

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
10:21 am

retired

Was it you who posted about the earthquakes on the east coast and not above 6? Charleston in 1886 was 6.6-7.3…pretty rough one…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1886_Charleston_earthquake

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
10:21 am

So why are you a Bama fan? They’ve never even had a black quarterback?

I’m guessing you’ve never heard of Walter Lewis then…..

Road Scholar
So Co: In the past Congress has paid the federal workforce after a shut down. They were paid….for doing NOTHING! They have bills to pay just like us.

My position is deemed mission essential. That means that while others who are not essential are sent home to do nothing, I will still have to report to work without getting paid. My colleagues who are on vacation, will have their leave cancelled. If they’ve paid $$$ for a trip, tough sh*t. If we don’t show for work, there are serious reprecussions. I work to pay my bills. I don’t think they will take the shutdown as an excuse for me being late on any bills. In the state of GA, you only have to be 7 days late on a mortgage payment before they can begin foreclosure proceedings, 37 F’N days!!!!

I don’t want the government to shut down. I want the jackasses to quit f’n around and do what they’re supposed to do.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:21 am

USUKinUK

yep. good ol’ GOP – sooooooooooo fiscally responsible
—————–

Guess who’s forcing the Democrat party to rein in spending? Good ol’ GOP.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:21 am

Yes lil b.

Everybody on this blog is on welfare like you.

Feel better?

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
10:23 am

“Guess who’s forcing the Democrat party to rein in spending? Good ol’ GOP”

just like Briston Palin espousing saving it for marriage

Midori

April 6th, 2011
10:23 am

You don’t now or ever did have a “point”. All you have is stupidity. And you try to disguise it as anything other.

you have a nice day as well.

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
10:23 am

granny- seen the reporting on the Candies Foundation? They paid Ms. Palin 7 times what they spent on actual teen pregnancy prevention

And this affects you how? I guess you should try to get on their board of directors so you can change their structure.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
10:23 am

WOW

Never had a Black quarterback??? LOLOLOLOLO!!!!!!!!!

http://www.definingmomentsua.com/product.php?item=DVD-315

Alabama’s Black quarterback was the reason that Auburn lost the ‘81 Iron Bowl

Granny Godzilla

April 6th, 2011
10:24 am

Poison Pen

You seem to read less, and frankly it hasn’t helped.

No, I’ll keep reading.

I can understand how the confessions of a man who did horrible terrible things in the name of right wing ideology and then repented would disturb the unrepentant.

Best you remain undisturbed.

yaa

April 6th, 2011
10:24 am

This post was very accurate and informative and the outcome talked about was predetermined.

A family sits down and lists all expenses and also all revenue to come up with a plan. They try to increase money coming in and reduce money going out. They do not say to one of many children- sorry Johnny but we are going to cut just the money we spend on you.

No a family will look at every expense. No one on the right or left has looked to increase revenue- easily done such as big subsidies or at the single largest area of our expenses- iraq, afg and defense. Lots and lots of waste for anyone with the guts to look!
Quit attacking the middle class and look at the whole picture!

pat

April 6th, 2011
10:24 am

It’s about spending more than you take in and knowing that the piper will come calling. We need to cut 6 trillion. 33 billion with regards to out put is nothing.
Most of us would never notice anything if the government slashed it’s spending to a 10th of what it is now.
Raising taxes stiffles growth, slows the economy and reduces taxable opportunites. You can only pull off tax increases in a boom, we are in a bust. This is very, very basic economics.

If you need tortured logic to prove your economic model works, it probably doesn’t.

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
10:24 am

Everybody on this blog is on welfare like you.

The smartest among us are beneficiaries of George Soros’ largesse, of course.

I’d love to stay and chat, but the shop called and said my Ferrari would be dropped off in a few, and you need two hands to drive them things…

Rafe Hollister

April 6th, 2011
10:24 am

USinUK

Bush was a loser, but in his wildest spending dream he could not envision the reckless spending and money that Barry squanders in a day. Bush would have been beaten if he had been eligible for a third term, because of his irresponsible spending and Barry will be beat for the same reason.

As my mother always said, if everyone else jumps off the Empire State Bldg will you? She couldn’t have envisioned that Barry would say, heck yeah.

Gator Joe

April 6th, 2011
10:24 am

Jay,
The Republicans’ budget plan defined by Shakespeare, “A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”

TnGelding

April 6th, 2011
10:24 am

…and him a stud?

jm

April 6th, 2011
10:25 am

now now be nice

“You don’t now or ever did have a “point”. All you have is stupidity. And you try to disguise it as anything other.”

Rational

April 6th, 2011
10:25 am

Personally, I think that if the non-essential portions of the government shut down, and we are still able to function normally without them, maybe that should be the starting point for the cuts. If it is non-essential, maybe it shouldn’t exist at all. I can find obvious examples, such as the National Parks System, and things of that nature, but I have a feeling that there are several (hundred?) departments and bureaucracies in the Federal Government that could be better served by private industry or on the state level.

Ryan’s budget proposal leaves much to be desired, but it is a start. It needs more detail though. As Jay pointed out yesterday, he has a plan for someone else to form a plan to fix Social Security. Don’t plan for someone else to plan for it, make it a part of the proposal. Cut defense spending (I realize not a popular topic with most conservatives, but it makes sense) by realizing that if the military says it doesn’t need this plane then the politicians in congress don’t need to try and save the program to save a few jobs in their district. A lot of politicians, on both sides of the aisle, like to say that there is x-amount of waste in Medicare and Medicaid – if they know about it, why exactly aren’t they doing something about it? There are dozens and dozens of examples of simple ways to cut out redundancy and waste in the government, and any budget plan needs to address them. As well as addressing things like fixing Social Security.

I personally think they need to hire a few private accounting firms to go through every aspect of the federal budget and find ways to cut waste and excess to save money. I’m sure, that much like everyone else, there are either plenty of highly qualified, but unemployed accountants, or major accounting firms that could use more work.

Joe Cool

April 6th, 2011
10:26 am

“I’ve been informed that it’s untoward to attack the family members of politicians, so I suppose I’d call her “Ms. Palin”.”

Last i checked, IPalm Palin didnt hold any office, therefore she is game like the rest, unless you share the same VICTIM viewpoint as she does.

LBB shadow, you are really wasting your time going back and forth with LBB. Everyone knows LBB and BOY GeorgeW are the resident bigots. Save your keystrokes for more productive things.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:26 am

USUKinUK, I guess you can’t really argue the point that it is the GOP that is leading the charge for some fiscal responsibility, eh? Just red herrings and revisionist history from you…

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
10:26 am

How in the world did a relatively small group of people ( Tea Party ) basically take complete control of the Republican Party.

Power, money, and votes. If you can deliver campaign finances and votes, you keep the party in power. The GOP is just on a power hungry trip. Almost all politicans fall into that trap at some point and time.

Road Scholar

April 6th, 2011
10:27 am

So Co: What Department do you work for? Thanks for the clarification.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
10:27 am

I find it funny that no one, including the children, disagrees that “go Cheney yourself” references a act which would make the children’s whining about “nasty Granny’s reference” a mere unacceptable. I do thing George Carlin would be ashamed and proud at the same time. LOL.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
10:27 am

WOW

It was more than “a bit” extreme. It was bad enough when he went off on midori accusing her of “expecting” somebody else to pay her bills when she had done no such thing. Midori is a big girl and can take care of herself in a heated exchange (as I well know :-) ), but that attack on Hillbilly who is always the gentleman was w-a-a-a-y over the top…

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:28 am

“I’d love to stay and chat, but the shop called and said my Ferrari would be dropped off in a few, and you need two hands to drive them things…”

I got to go gas up my plane to fly to Alabama.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
10:28 am

“You don’t now or ever did have a “point”. All you have is stupidity. ”

And Midori proves my point once again. Thanks for vindicating me and LBB, Midori!

Hey Jay, how many more times are you going to allow Midori to call me stupid, idiot etc? Just wondering. thanks

“I’m guessing you’ve never heard of Walter Lewis then….. ‘

SOCO, I was just joking. I wanted to throw a Bama jab at cha.

Road Scholar

April 6th, 2011
10:28 am

Went to the Masters yesterday for the first time…as a golfer…I thought that I had died and gone to heaven! Sorry to post off topic, but, wow, what a golf course!

TnGelding

April 6th, 2011
10:28 am

The FY2009 deficit would have been over a trillion dollars if Bush had remained in office. That’s why the changes to the tax code were set to expire. True, Obama did sweeten the kitty, and for good reason.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:30 am

“but that attack on Hillbilly who is always the gentleman was w-a-a-a-y over the top”

Totally disgusting act.

If lil b is here attacking HD like that Jay might as well bring Andy back.

retired early

April 6th, 2011
10:31 am

Rafe

You certainly can pick your own candidates. I am merely pointing out that your party has all but eliminated anyone who is intellectual, religiously impartial, patriotic ( willing to compromise for the good of the country ) and not bought and paid for by corporate America.

md

April 6th, 2011
10:31 am

“yes. do. and look at the impact it’s making on the economy there … not to mention, social unrest”

Well…Greece tried waiting it out……with the same outcome.

Jay

April 6th, 2011
10:32 am

The next personal insult gets the poster banned for three days or perhaps longer.

Clear enough?

TnGelding

April 6th, 2011
10:32 am

Instead of porn, they should have asked Justice Thomas about his penchent for adult oriented material.

jm

April 6th, 2011
10:32 am

Road Scholar 10:28 – awesome isn’t it?

Um, my food is rotting. When is GA Power going to get the power back on?….

I can handle the cold, even the cold showers. I can live without lighting thanks to a flashlight. But the fridge, now that’s another thing.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
10:33 am

LBB – calling the GOP the party of fiscal responsibility is like calling the ladies at the Pink Pony “ambassadors for chastity” – their actions belie what they say

md

April 6th, 2011
10:33 am

“Please stop confusing the economy of the wealthiest and most powerful nation ever on earth, whose currency continues to be the world standard of stability, with that of your own.

Please. It’s childish.”

Disagree……the fundamentals of accounting don’t change as the scale gets bigger……….

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:33 am

Wow, the attacks on Ryan for receiving contributions from the health insurance industry sure dried up quickly.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
10:33 am

Road

DHS/Customs and Border Protection…

WOW

Ok…. You do know how they assign positions at Auburn right? At the beginning of spring training, they all go for lemonade at Toomer’s. Whatever change they get back determines their position. If they get $.25, then they’re a quarterback, $.05 and they’re a nickle-back on defense, and $.50 and they’re a half-back. The offensive and defensive lines are filled by those who can’t count their change. :)

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
10:33 am

md – “Well…Greece tried waiting it out……with the same outcome.”

tried waiting it out? they enacted severe cuts – which is what caused the unrest

jm

April 6th, 2011
10:34 am

Jay 10:32 – will there be citizen review board appointee like the one Reed just appointed? :) Just kidding….

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:34 am

There’s one party driving the conversation on budget responsibility, USinUK. Republican.

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
10:34 am

WOODSTOCK MIKE: “So Jay, I guess your recommendation is to keep on spending money we don’t have. Great idea!! Anyone who is educated and looks at the financial situation in America will easily understand that major cuts have to be made now.”

Check this out, Woodstock Mike dude:

You say it’s absolutely imperative that we cut now now now. Well, if that’s really the case why doesn’t Ryan and his GOP cohort have the guts to ask EVERYONE to sacrifice, including the ever sacred SENIOR bloc? They’re taking out from Medicare way more than they put in, which is just terrible isn’t it, Woodstock Mike? Could it be because David Brooks

As Kevin of Mother Jones writes:

This is just one of many ways in which Paul Ryan’s budget plan is the farthest thing imaginable from courageous, even though that seems to be the most common adjective to describe it. Ryan ignores Social Security because he knows privatization won’t fly and he doesn’t have the courage to propose a mainstream reform of the system that would be unpopular with conservative mandarins. He exempts seniors and baby boomers from his Medicare plan because he doesn’t have the courage to take on a powerful Republican voting bloc. He eschews details, basing the bulk of his plan on little more than theoretical spending caps, because he doesn’t have the courage to explain what his spending reductions would actually mean. He focuses most of his cuts on programs for the poor because he doesn’t have the courage to tackle weak claims rather than weak claimants.

http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/04/orthodox-mr-ryan

jm

April 6th, 2011
10:35 am

USinUK 10:33 – well let’s just say both parties are chock a block full of hypocrites.

The Repubs don’t worry about balancing the budget (as much) when they’re in office. And the Dems don’t mind bombing half the world and increasing troops (as much) when their guy runs the WH.

Fair enough?

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
10:35 am

Jay

You might not wanna read last night’s exchanges then. There would have been multiple infractions, and probably a few ejections called last night.

poison pen

April 6th, 2011
10:36 am

Jay

April 6th, 2011
10:32 am
The next personal insult gets the poster banned for three days or perhaps longer.

Clear enough?

Jay, thank you, you should put this up on all your blogs.

Rational

April 6th, 2011
10:36 am

So Co – thanks for the amusing post on Auburn University football. I would say the same applies at U(sic)GA, but they would only have linemen if that were the case. :)

jm

April 6th, 2011
10:36 am

LBB 10:34 – true.

TnGelding

April 6th, 2011
10:36 am

I hope we show more maturity when the austerity budgets kick in here.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:36 am

“There’s one party driving the conversation on budget responsibility, USinUK. Republican.”

The President will roll back the tax cuts after reelection to get serious about the deficit among other things.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:36 am

Left wing management: why doesn’t Ryan and his GOP cohort have the guts to ask EVERYONE to sacrifice, including the ever sacred SENIOR bloc?
—————-

Simple. Because the senior bloc didn’t have advance notice and time to plan for an end to the gravy train of entitlement spending/vote buying.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

April 6th, 2011
10:36 am

“So here we go. This isn’t about dollars or deficits. This is about a group of people seeking moral validation through battle against the forces of evil; put more crudely and perhaps accurately, it’s about people picking a fight with somebody they hate, somebody they’ve wanted a piece of for a long time.”

Jay:

You nailed it on the head except for one thing. They don’t “hate” him (if they do they’re wrong) but they do hate his policies. He lied during the campagin, has failed on transparency and is leading this country rapidly toward an “un-American” form of government.

Yes ………. socialism and many of his other policies are un-American.

When McCain said during the last part of the campaign that “the American people have nothing to fear from an Obama administration” it probably cost him the election. And what he didn’t know then (but he sure does now) if that we have EVERYTHING to fear from an Obama administration and especially a second one.

Anti-liberal

April 6th, 2011
10:37 am

“For GOP, budget talks are all about getting to ‘no’”

The GOP saying “no”? When the Democrats controlled the Congress and the White House, didn’t they refuse to even propose a butget as they are required to by law by April 2010? Didn’t Steny Hoyer say last June that they would not even propose a budget so quit asking?

The democrats had plenty of time to pass a budget, but were too busy patting themselves on the back over the rammed through ObamaCare and looking towards the elections. Instead they said no to the 2011 budget. Had the Democrats done thier job as required by law we would now be arguing the 2012 budget.

Democrats seem to forget that the Republicans were elected to cut spending.

Anti-liberal

April 6th, 2011
10:38 am

Sorry for the typo “budget”

@@

April 6th, 2011
10:38 am

Huh???

…spout “just say no” nonsense …

In my opinion, more guys need to hear it. It’s the only way women will regain their power.

There’s not a decent, responsible father living who doesn’t want his daughter to say “NO”!!!

Problem is…as time has progressed…there aren’t enough decent, responsible fathers in the home who instruct their daughters in self-worth. Absent that, the daughters are gonna go looking for acceptance elsewhere.

jm

April 6th, 2011
10:38 am

LBB 10:36 – good answer. And, they vote all the time. Special / vested interests, as opposed to the young, penniless, and either working or trying to work.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
10:39 am

**There’s one party driving the conversation on budget responsibility**

Funny how that works, they get the medicine after blowing up the budget the past decade and when the dems come to power, the party is over, let’s get serious….they are not trustworthy..

TnGelding

April 6th, 2011
10:40 am

The Dems passed a budget out of the House. But we all know it takes 60 votes to get anything through the Senate.

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
10:40 am

TnG- Does that make her a slut?

No, just a bimbo. Judging from her bar tab we should add “drunken” as a prefix to whatever you want to call her. I’m just glad not to be called Californian to have an embarrassment like her called my represenative.

jm

April 6th, 2011
10:40 am

Anti-liberal 10:37 – great point :) Dems pretty much advocated their right to pass a budget in my book.

md

April 6th, 2011
10:40 am

“tried waiting it out? they enacted severe cuts – which is what caused the unrest”

Yes….they kept the status quo until forced by the holders of their debt to actually do something…..they waited until it was too late………and yes, now they have the same outcome as others now implementing measures to thwart being forced to act.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

April 6th, 2011
10:40 am

@USinUK

So you’re saying that Greece shouldn’t have cut spending?? Well, they had so much debt they couldn’t cover the interest payments on their bonds which were on the verge of default. When a country’s bonds default their system will collapse. Guess you thought that would be a better idea than a couple weeks of public unrest??

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:40 am

It’s unfortunate that the Democrats were so partisan that they were unable to attract sufficient bipartisan support for their imaginary “budget”.

TnGelding

April 6th, 2011
10:41 am

The parties just change roles, depending on which one is in the majority.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
10:41 am

@@ – I agree with much of your post – but, the issue is that, unless you’re planning on becoming a priest, nun or Buddhist monk, EVERYone is going to have sex eventually. “Just say no” doesn’t help you for when you DO decide to have sex

Misty Fyed

April 6th, 2011
10:41 am

I was on the fence regarding certain budget cuts until I went to the grocery store. I got in line behind a nicely dressed woman, fully manicured nails, designer purse, talking on her i’phone 4. I watched in amazement as she paid with her EBT card and then got into her Cadillac and left. I got into my used Toyota and drove away

It’s time for the “haves” to say enough. You can’t have any more of our money. Make the cuts and make them hurt. Maybe if we can return to some reasonable execution of these social programs where only the truly needy and infirm are helped we can reinstate them.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:41 am

Mick: Funny how that works
——————

How much longer shall we wait for budget responsibility?

jm

April 6th, 2011
10:41 am

I’m looking forward to the “it’s the end of the world as we know it” blog posts if the government “shuts down”.

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
10:42 am

Pardon my typos above. I mean to say Kevin Drum of Mother Jones.

The fragment with David Brooks in it was meant to say that what’s explained in the post illustrates how utterly wrong David Brooks was, as usual, in his ridiculous gushing paean to the ‘courage’ of Paul Ryan recently.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
10:42 am

**Democrats seem to forget that the Republicans were elected to cut spending**

No, they were elected to address unemployment, where are the jobs? to quote the boehner..

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:42 am

You can’t regulate human nature.

TnGelding

April 6th, 2011
10:43 am

Know when to say no.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:43 am

Mick: Ask Jay. He had a post a while back bragging on the jobs performance since Republicans won the House.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
10:44 am

llb

I wouldn’t attribute that to the repub house which has gotten nothing signed into law as of yet…

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:45 am

Mick, the Tea Party did in fact vote for Republicans to address spending. They aren’t concerned about jobs, because they already have them.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
10:45 am

jm

Citizens’ review board, eh? Well, their recommendation has not been heeded…he’s still here… :-)

Hootinanny Yum Yum

April 6th, 2011
10:45 am

Psssttt….. All you Liberals: Jay, Granny, AmVet, TaxPayer, USinUK.

At this point in the budgetary process, we should be debating merits and pitfalls of the 2012 budget. At issue, is why the Democrat controlled House, Senate and White House didn’t pass the 2011 budget last year when they had control.

Perhaps it was because it was due to the mid-term elections and the Democrats didn’t want to go on record with whatever budget they passed.

No, instead it was more “responsible” to kick the can down the road with continuing resolutions and paint the Republicans as intransigent, as the “party of NO”, after the elections than to do their job.

The ignorance of Liberals even when the facts are staring them square in the eyes, is astounding!

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:45 am

“How much longer shall we wait for budget responsibility?”

The President already made cuts and wants to go back to Clinton taxes of prosperity.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:45 am

Not so, Mick. The Republicans have in fact gotten several billion in cuts passed and signed into law.

jm

April 6th, 2011
10:46 am

Probably a good time to be a US auto parts supplier….

Rational

April 6th, 2011
10:46 am

Let’s get serious – there is no such thing as a trustworthy politician. Especially a career politician.

Yeah, I would say that it doesn’t seem fair on the face of it to cut spending for the younger people and poorer and leave the elderly and those retiring in the next 8 or 9 years untouched, but LBB hit the nail on the head. Our financial house is in the crapper right now, but people that are already retired and are depending on the government for their retirement and healthcare shouldn’t be punished because they are already at a certain age. They should have planned for their own retirement better (arguably), but maybe they saved what they could and planned around the government stipends that they were promised. There is no reason that their money should disappear because of that. However, the system is broken and does need to be fixed. I think it is perfectly reasonable to say to people that are in their 40s and younger – hey Social Security and Medicare are going to change, you need to plan differently if you were counting on them for your retirement. Personally, I think anyone who isn’t planning to retire in the next couple of years and is counting on Social Security is naive. Everything else, needs to be cut now. Everything. Across the board, no exceptions. That is what my family has had to do (as much as we could, couldn’t really quit paying my mortgage, or pay less on it and expect to still have a place to live), and that is what the country needs to do.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
10:46 am

lbb

The iced tea party? Pretty much irrelevant in terms of support these days except for their wacko offspring in the house – all repubs.. some movement..

TnGelding

April 6th, 2011
10:47 am

Republicans were elected because of the Affordable Health Care for America Act, which was neither affordable or comprehensible.

El Jefe

April 6th, 2011
10:47 am

Mick,

Wake up, the election of 2010 was to address the budget and the massive debt this administration has heaped upon us all.

Maybe if the Democrats had passed a budget last year, instead of just deeming it, we might have someplace to start. Yes, that 61 Billion is from this years budget, not next years.

BTW, In my opinion, 4 trillion in cuts over the next decade is too little and it will take too long.

We need to stop the churn of sending money to DC and expecting some of it back, why not just keep it here, by-pass the fools on the Hill.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
10:47 am

Woodstock – didn’t say that they didn’t need to cut spending – particularly in regards to public pensions. However, they also need to partner that with a vastly improved revenue system that actually, you know, collects taxes, an economy which isn’t based on tourism, and other changes. lastly, don’t forget, they are also a member of the EU which means that their public debt is capped, so they were required to cut spending or be kicked out

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:47 am

getalife: [Obozo} already made cuts and wants to go back to Clinton taxes of prosperity.
——————–

…just not yet.

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
10:48 am

LBB: “Simple. Because the senior bloc didn’t have advance notice and time to plan for an end to the gravy train of entitlement spending/vote buying.”

Well, sounds reasonable but the fact remains: if what we’re facing is really really an existential crisis, then why isn’t EVERYONE being asked to sacrifice?

You and Ryan and his GOP buddies can’t have it both ways. Either it’s an existential threat – in which case full mobilization is necessary and no half measures will do – or it’s not.

So, which is it and why aren’t we running spears through sacred cows everywhere, NO MATTER who it means has to suffer? Bet you can’t answer that one Little One.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
10:48 am

jm – “I’m looking forward to the “it’s the end of the world as we know it” ”

DAMMIT!!!! like I needed that earworm …

jm

April 6th, 2011
10:48 am

jonix 10:45 – I was thinking more along the lines of: if Jay is the police force, will there be a citizens review board to oversee the rulings? :)

Joe Cool

April 6th, 2011
10:49 am

“I was on the fence regarding certain budget cuts until I went to the grocery store. I got in line behind a nicely dressed woman, fully manicured nails, designer purse, talking on her i’phone 4. I watched in amazement as she paid with her EBT card and then got into her Cadillac and left. I got into my used Toyota and drove away”

Sounds like Republican “wealth envy” or stalking.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
10:49 am

el jefe

If you believe what you say then it is obvious that the tax cuts need to expire in 2012, correct? I’ll meet you halfway..

TnGelding

April 6th, 2011
10:49 am

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:45 am

Just for the wealthy, when their share is about a fourth of what the rest of us got.

Blitz Wolfer

April 6th, 2011
10:49 am

Oh Jay, it’s about cutting the out of control spending by the Democrat leadership. The Democrats didn’t have the balls to pass a budget last year, so the grown-ups are doing it now.

Get over it Jay.

jm

April 6th, 2011
10:49 am

USinUK 10:48 – sorry. couldn’t resist.

and I feel fine….
:D

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
10:49 am

LWM, when the Democrat party puts forth a plan that accomplishes what Ryan’s does, but in their preferred way, then you’ll have more credibility in criticizing Ryan.

Ryan’s doing something. Obozo and the Democrat party are not.

USMC dawg

April 6th, 2011
10:49 am

“The iced tea party? Pretty much irrelevant in terms of support these days except for their wacko offspring in the house – all repubs.. some movement..”

Yeah Mick, Tell that to Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer…

DawgDad

April 6th, 2011
10:50 am

“The Republican base wants and needs a confrontation with Obama, not a compromise.” — Pretty close on this one. Definitely not wanting the leaders to shy away from a confrontation.

“lust for a shutdown” — well, Jay, you’re wrong on this count, this is just typical over-the-top leftist scare tactic rhetoric. Very few people actually want a shutdown.

“hate” — No, Jay. Very careless use of inflammatory rhetoric. We don’t hate Obama and the left, we just want to defeat them politically. Vast difference. Attributing “hate” to your political opponents is just as irresponsible as playing the race card. Childish and offensive at face value.

Otherwise, I think you’ve got the situation pegged pretty well.

Blitz Wolfer

April 6th, 2011
10:50 am

It’s so much fun to watch the libs in meltdown mode!!

jm

April 6th, 2011
10:51 am

jonix 10:45 – I’m guessing Jay is not going to run the board like a democracy though (no citizen review board). Typical for a Democrat… (just kidding Jay, just kidding)

DEA

April 6th, 2011
10:52 am

TnGelding,

No, the Dems did NOT pass a budget out of the House last year. That’s a lie. They choose not to. They didn’t even propose one, let alone attempt to vote on one.

The Republicans are trying to clean up the mess left by the irresponsible socialist filth that populates the Democratic side of the Congress, and the corrupt scum in the mainstream media are more than happy to parrot the Democrat talking points (lies) about “Party of No” and “Republican Shutdown”.

@@

April 6th, 2011
10:52 am

USinUK:

“Just say no” doesn’t help you for when you DO decide to have sex

You make it sound as though humans are nothing more than animals driven by insatiable appetites. We’re supposed to be of a higher intellect.

Contraceptives work. If you don’t use or have contraceptives, don’t have sex. Problem solved.

jconservative

April 6th, 2011
10:52 am

A history lesson in Debt Limit legislation:

“Congress has voted to raise the debt limit ten times since 2001. Deficits each year since 2001 and the persistent increases in debt held by government accounts repeatedly raised the debt to, or near, the limit in place at the time. Congress raised the limit in June 2002, and by December 2002 the U.S. Department of the Treasury asked Congress for another increase, which was passed in May 2003. In June 2004, the Treasury asked for another debt limit increase. After Congress recessed in mid-October 2004 without acting, the Secretary of the Treasury told Congress that the actions he was taking to avoid exceeding the debt limit would suffice only through mid-November. Congress approved a debt limit increase in a post-election session, which the President signed on November 19, 2004. In 2005, reconciliation instructions in the FY 2006 budget resolution (H.Con.Res. 95) included a debt limit increase. With no action having been taken by December 2005, the Secretary of the Treasury sent several letters warning Congress that the Treasury would exhaust its options to avoid default by mid-March 2006. Congress passed an increase in mid-March, which the President signed on March 20. The House indirectly approved legislation (H.J.Res. 43) to raise the debt limit by $850 billion to $9,815 billion. The Senate approved the resolution on September 27, 2007, and it was signed by the President two days later.”

This is what happens when you borrow money to operate government.

Now look at this:

“After World War II ended, the debt limit was reduced to $275 billion. Because the Korean War was mostly financed by higher taxes rather than by increased debt, the limit remained at $275 billion until 1954.”

That is what happens when you do not borrow money to operate government, or fight wars for that matter.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
10:53 am

Mick

April 6th, 2011
10:54 am

usmc

Tell it to boehner and mcconnell, they are the ones being held hostage by this insignificant caucus….

getalife

April 6th, 2011
10:54 am

Don’t stop ladies.

Tell us more about sex :)

jm

April 6th, 2011
10:54 am

josef nix 10:53 – :) indeed

jm

April 6th, 2011
10:56 am

“It appears they will get their wish.”

Still early yet. There’s a good 72 hours left….

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
10:56 am

I was on the fence regarding certain budget cuts until I went to the grocery store. I got in line behind a nicely dressed woman, fully manicured nails, designer purse, talking on her i’phone 4. I watched in amazement as she paid with her EBT card and then got into her Cadillac and left. I got into my used Toyota and drove away

:shock: :shock: :shock:
Dammit, I wanna find this chick. Everybody’s seen her shopping but me. I wanna bogart on her benefits.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
10:56 am

@@ – “You make it sound as though humans are nothing more than animals driven by insatiable appetites. We’re supposed to be of a higher intellect. Contraceptives work. If you don’t use or have contraceptives, don’t have sex. Problem solved.”

not in the least – I didn’t say that eventually everyone makes the beast with two backs in a stairwell with a complete stranger. even if you decide to wait until marriage, you will eventually have sex with your spouse – you need to know how to prevent pregnancy and, possibly, how to prevent yourself from catching a disease (just in case your spouse didn’t wait).

lastly, thanks for proving my point for me – no contraceptive is 100% effective. everyone needs to know how to use them correctly – and what can undermine their efficacy

jm

April 6th, 2011
10:56 am

Lock’em up with no food or water until they come out with a deal. No weapons allowed, and they might have to be placed in a rubber room.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
10:57 am

SoCo – I think there’s just one woman who drives from town to town doing this – she’s funded by the Heritage Foundation.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
10:58 am

jm – 10:49 – :-P evil!!!

jm

April 6th, 2011
10:59 am

West Wing briefing: Obama headed out of D.C. as shutdown looms
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/44/post/despite-spending-impasse-obama-to-head-out-of-washington/2011/04/05/AFpsdknC_blog.html

You’ve got to be kidding. I think the Dems are the party of No. Seriously.

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
10:59 am

Hmm. Yep, I think the Dems were too busy not compromising, pulling strings, and making threats on the healthcare legislation during the time they should have been working on the budget! Thoughts?

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
10:59 am

SoCo

You can’t see her…she’s only visible to old white men in checkered bermuda shorts, Hawaiian shirts, sandals and black socks… :-)

jm

April 6th, 2011
11:00 am

Obama has become a joke. I’m seriously sorry I voted for the guy.

A fiery President Obama insisted Tuesday that if he and congressional leaders couldn’t reach a deal to avert a government shutdown, “I want a meeting again tomorrow here at the White House.”

“I will invite the same folks that we invited today,” he added. “And if that doesn’t work, we’ll invite them again the day after that. And I will have my entire team available to work through the details of getting a deal done.”

Obama’s team may not include the president himself. Despite the impasse in Washington over federal spending, the president as of early Wednesday was scheduled to give two speeches outside of Washington: one on energy in the Philadelphia suburbs, then another Wednesday evening to a group of black political activists in New York.

If the schedule remains intact, it will be the president’s first trip outside the capital since he officially declared Monday he will seek a second term. And while Obama (D) and his aides have repeated said he will not focus on his campaign in the next few months, his schedule may contradict those words.

El Jefe

April 6th, 2011
11:00 am

Mick and usmc,

Sorry, but we are still active and holding Congresses’ feet to the fire. If, like you suggested, we are insignificant we would not be able to influence Congress.

The Democrats want nothing to do regarding the budget, except to pass it on to the next generation – I think that is yours – to correct.

They haven’t passed a budget since 2009 and are totally irresponsible.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
11:00 am

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
11:00 am

So, the mostest importantest thing to some of the cons here is trying to figger out why a budget was not passed before the Republicans gained the majority in the House. All together now, Navel Ponderers of America, “I Object!” “Point of Disorder!” And the best that the Republicans can come up with is Ryan’s plan to make the prosperous more prosperous by throwing their own parents and children under the bus in exchange for a whopping 0.1 trillion dollar debt reduction in only ten years. Now there’s something to write home about. Y’all cons have fun debating the demerits of that Ryan Road Kill Plan.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
11:01 am

“checkered bermuda shorts, Hawaiian shirts, sandals and black socks”

not that there’s anything wrong with that …

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
11:01 am

josef & USinner

Think it will help if I take off my right shoe? That would make me lean to the right just a little.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
11:04 am

USinUK

Credit where credit’s due on that one…Grandbaby, Pombo, is here and wanted Unmentionable to take him to the park with the metal detector…other Grandpa said “wait until I put on my,,,,”

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
11:05 am

SoCo
I gotta remember that one!

jm

April 6th, 2011
11:05 am

Obama is a complete and utter lying politician and disgusting.

—–
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0411/what_about_boehner_and_reid_4c50bc2c-1f7c-4b16-b8ba-8091a76c51bf.html

Obama told reporters on Tuesday that he’s “prepared to meet for as long as possible” with them, and he said that if they didn’t make a deal at a meeting later that day, “then I want them back here tomorrow.”

Boehner and Reid didn’t reach an agreement, and no such meeting is scheduled with Obama — yet. Obama plans to get his daily briefing at 11 a.m. and leave at 12:15 p.m. for Philadelphia, where he’ll talk at a town hall about his energy agenda. He’s then going to New York City to speak at a National Action Network gala with Rev. Al Sharpton, and he’ll return late in the night.

As of late Wednesday morning, Boehner’s office confirmed that the White House hadn’t yet offered an invitation to a budget meeting..

retired early

April 6th, 2011
11:05 am

Left Wing Mgmt

Thanks for the link…I would like to make one observation.
The money paid into SS/ Medicare as shown on the graph did not take into consideration the interest earned on money that was invested theoretically into ‘our’ accounts as far back as 4 decades…I know it still would not be enough to offset, but that would be a more accurate comparison.

El Jefe

April 6th, 2011
11:05 am

I like all the scary talk out of Congress regarding the shutdown – didn’t Clinton get in trouble with the last one? Something about an intern and a thong?

Anyway, all this blabber about not paying the military if the government shuts down – pure hogwash. Imagine telling 100,000 armed people you are not going to pay them. All essential services will continue – period. SS checks, military pay, etc. all will continue.

USMC dawg

April 6th, 2011
11:05 am

Have you seen the Sunday political shows?
The Dems are CONSTANTLY talking about the Tea Party and trying to demonize them.

Charles Schumer and the Party Marching Orders:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zWcRNEyx_w&NR=1

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
11:06 am

Come on folks. You can’t be serious. Please answer this.

1. How would have you reacted if Bush bombed Libya under the same circumstances?

2. How would you have reacted if the Republicans failed to pass a budget when they had control of the presidency, house and senate?

If you can’t see something wrong with that, then you are definitely a lot more mentally disabled than my original assumptions about you!

David Granger

April 6th, 2011
11:07 am

Jay, I am NOT a fan of the Tea Party…but will grudgingly admit that they did promise to cut spending. And when politicians actually KEEP their campaign promises, it sure screws up things in Washington, doesn’t it?

jm

April 6th, 2011
11:07 am

In White House’s view, Paul Ryan’s plan a weapon for 2012
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/52625.html

Yep, that’s right. Assassinate the person and the party actually trying to do something to fix the Deficit. I hope Obama wins re-election. He’ll oversee the bankruptcy of this nation, and then people will forever remember which party was responsible for the destruction of our country and credit.

@@

April 6th, 2011
11:07 am

USinUK:

And you prove my point. The only contraceptive that is 100% effective is abstinence.

The U.K. has a problem when it comes to government housing. There are single moms, who, thru no fault of their own, ended up that way. Then there are single moms, who have kids so they can go to the front of the line for the preferential treatment they receive.

One approaches life with the right attitude, the other with the wrong attitude. Children should never serve as means to and end.

jm

April 6th, 2011
11:07 am

Dems stink.

Just over a year ago, President Barack Obama singled out Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan as a serious-minded Republican who could be a partner in the kind of “adult conversation” the president said he welcomes on entitlement reform.

But when Ryan stepped forward Tuesday with his long-awaited budget plan, an ambitious attempt to slice almost $6 trillion in federal spending and fundamentally alter Medicare and Medicaid, the White House rejected it. Obama brushed off a question about the plan at a brief news conference. And press secretary Jay Carney described it as flawed in approach.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/52625.html#ixzz1IkvXFriD

@@

April 6th, 2011
11:08 am

dump that “d” on “and”.

IHB

I’m outta here.

jm

April 6th, 2011
11:09 am

Yep, Jay’s on this plan and schedule too….

“It was a good day for Democrats,” said J.B. Poersch, former executive director of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee who is heading an independent expenditure effort for Democrats in 2012. “It’s going to sting [Republicans]. This is a news flash for seniors. It’s probably an overreach, and they are likely to pay politically.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/52625.html#ixzz1IkvvKYHe

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
11:09 am

jm, they would still blame Bush! They aren’t keen enough to figure it out.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
11:09 am

BMDPD

1, The same way I’m reacting now…
2. The same way I’m reacting now…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
11:09 am

yes dawg….perhaps you need to get some perspective from the Daily Show…. when he calls Schumer to task

And dont forget to keep watching to see the “Polish thatTurd” segment

The Thin Guy

April 6th, 2011
11:09 am

We live in a changing world. Ben Franklin said “A penny saved is a penny earned.” Now it’s a $ 100 billion dollars saved is $ 100 billion dollars we don’t have to pay the Chinese communists. Bring it on. If you miss the federal government, hire someone to go through your neighborhood and place ads for mattress sales in your mailbox. No is a beautiful word when the alternative is yes.

@@

April 6th, 2011
11:10 am

jm:

The Dems made a preemptive strike before ever having seen Ryan’s plan.

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
11:11 am

josef, that is a crock. You would be crucifying Bush and the Republicans.

Kamchak

April 6th, 2011
11:11 am

jm

April 6th, 2011
11:07 am

Dems stink.

Tick…tick…tick….

jm

April 6th, 2011
11:12 am

I think the Dems, who didn’t govern in the last 12 months of 2010, are done for this congressional session. They’re on to campaigning instead of doing anything else. Pathetic.

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
11:13 am

No jm, they were manipulating everything to force their “no compromise” health legislation through.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
11:14 am

I’ll take more of that “non-governing” 2010…repeal of DADT…that’s some non-governing.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
11:14 am

The Greatest Generation: “How am I going to pay this bill? Might have to take a second job.”

The Me Generation: “Who’s going to pay this bill for me?”

The Obama Generation: “How dare you send me a bill!”

jm

April 6th, 2011
11:14 am

The Party of NO (D) has left the building. And not returning. Democrats don’t appear to care about this country anymore. Just themselves.

USMC dawg

April 6th, 2011
11:14 am

Why doesn’t Jay ever expand on the fact that the DEMOCRATS refused to pass a budget for 2010.

Democrats REFUSED to pass a budget last year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt16v1bR_nY

reebok

April 6th, 2011
11:15 am

the GOP needs to quit while they are ahead, declare victory, and avoid the shutdown. instead, their intractability and obviousesire for a fight is going to cost them dearly. of course, since the next GOP presidential candidate is going to get crushed anyway, they really have little to lose.

retired early

April 6th, 2011
11:15 am

Jn

“Obama told reporters he’s prepared to meet for as long……”
This is called an ‘ improper pronoun reference’.
“He…Obama, is not the one in talks, because only the Representatives and Senators can compromise on ‘their differences’.
He was referring to his fellow Democrats.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
11:16 am

The cons sure are desparate to rewrite history to blame the 111th Congress for the failure to pass a budget.

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
11:16 am

retired early 11:05 :

Good point re the interest earned.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
11:18 am

“wanted Unmentionable to take him to the park with the metal detector…other Grandpa said “wait until I put on my,,,,””

dark socks and sandals … the new black

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
11:18 am

No, they are the party of Hypocrites. Liberals are all hypocrites. They are all about ‘do as I say, not as I do!’ I can list tons of examples, but here is a few.

What they say… What they mean….
1. Love everyone 1. Love everyone who agrees
2. It’s Bush’s fault 2. You cant say that about O! Racist!
3. R’s won’t compromise 3. It is okay if D’s don’t compromise.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
11:19 am

” The only contraceptive that is 100% effective is abstinence. ”

yep. nothing tells a spouse that you love them quite like not sleeping with them.

“One approaches life with the right attitude, the other with the wrong attitude. Children should never serve as means to and end.”

no argument, there – but, then, that wasn’t the issue at hand.

USMC dawg

April 6th, 2011
11:19 am

“yes dawg….perhaps you need to get some perspective from the Daily Show…. when he calls Schumer to task”-Keep the faith

So Keep The Faith, you get your political news from a COMEDY show?

That explains a lot.

@@

April 6th, 2011
11:21 am

SoCo:

You disappoint me at times. You laugh at USinUK’s “beast with two backs” comment but I can tell you, it happens, not on stairwells, but picnic tables on church grounds next to a high school here in Clayton County. The “bone dance” ever day like clockwork.

I know the minister’s wife. A young wife and mother. She told me how it was an ongoing problem and that they were, forever, having to hose the tables off. I suggested they turn the hose on earlier…while the act was taking place. We’re talkin’ teenagers here, with little regard for what’s decent and acceptable.

On a picnic table!!??!! In broad daylight!!??!!

Where’s their self-respect? Where’s their dignity?

Would you stand by and laugh at their performance as though they were trained circus animals?

jm

April 6th, 2011
11:21 am

Jay, care to acknowledge and respond to the fact, that the President, the guy who can help bridge the gap and craft a compromise, has elected to go campaigning instead of working with the 2 chambers?

The absentee Democrat President has recused himself. If there’s a shutdown, I blame the Dems. Obama walked from the table.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
11:22 am

jm @ 11:07

The reason why Hope & Punt is no longer a fan of Paul Ryan is because Ryan schooled him on the budget in front of everyone during the laughable health care summit at the WH last year.

Even if he is a dunderhead, you can’t make a sitting President look like one on national TV. Bad form, don’t you know.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
11:22 am

dawg…I dont get my news from a comedy show (which would be Fox) but I do enjoy the political comedic commentary when its on point…a weak effort but then you don’t have much to work with in your faux poutrage.

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
11:22 am

Bush is a war criminal!
You can’t say that about Obama, you racists!

Notice the quick slash of hatred to the moderate conservative and the quick play on the race card. I love the hypocrisy!

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
11:23 am

That is right out of the liberal play book. Perfectly executed.

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
11:23 am

” The only contraceptive that is 100% effective is abstinence.

Wrong. Abstinence increases frustration, making it more likely that someone goes on a bender and gets pregnant.

The point: there’s only one truly effective form of contraception: natural or induced infertility (and even that’s probably not 100%). So ultimately, the only truly effective form of contraception is death. Now that’s a plan we can all get behind, right?

jm

April 6th, 2011
11:24 am

This is just ridiculous. The Dems have hyperpoliticized every race in this whole country. How are elected officials supposed to govern the country when you Dems want to make every damn law passed, every person, every item on the agenda a national all important critical issue? It’s disgusting.

More than $5 million in outside money from both sides has been poured into the race, from labor unions, progressive activists, tea party groups and businesses. Blogs across the political spectrum have been abuzz and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin weighed in to voice her support for Prosser. Election officials in Madison, Milwaukee and throughout much of the rest of the state observed higher-than-usual voter turnout for the kind of election that typically brings out only the most dedicated of voters.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/52633.html#ixzz1IkzZmwLS

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
11:26 am

” I can tell you, it happens, not on stairwells, but picnic tables on church grounds next to a high school here in Clayton County. The “bone dance” ever day like clockwork.”

gosh. then shouldn’t we be teaching these kids how to prevent pregnancy and disease rather than saying “just say no” – it seems that message isn’t getting through.

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
11:26 am

My favorite is the argument that conservatives hate the old and poor. Yet, conservatives generally donate more money and time than liberals.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
11:27 am

good fight
@ 11:09

“D*ck Morris? It’s as if cholesterol and bile had a baby and Harvey Fierstein did the voice over…”

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
11:28 am

“I got in line behind a nicely dressed woman, fully manicured nails”

There must have been a MOB at that store that day – so MANY saw exactly that same woman.

@@

April 6th, 2011
11:29 am

USinUK:

gosh. then shouldn’t we be teaching these kids how to prevent pregnancy and disease rather than saying “just say no” – it seems that message isn’t getting through.

Sex education exists in said high school. So now what’s your excuse?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
11:29 am

josef….. one of my favorite lines of the day!

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
11:30 am

oooo … earworm that I do like … the themesong in the Kindle ads (playing in the background as I write this) do-do-dooooo … do-do-doooooo …. do-do-doooooo … do-do-dooooooo …

Blitz Wolfer

April 6th, 2011
11:32 am

I’ve gotta go to the bathroom and take a biden……

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
11:33 am

“Sex education exists in said high school. So now what’s your excuse?”

comprehensive sex ed???

nope.

“At issue is the fact that there is no sex education on the curriculum in Georgian schools.”

http://chalkboard.tol.org/georgia-no-room-for-sex-education

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
11:33 am

BMDPD

You don’t know me very well, do you?

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
11:35 am

jo nix – you’re a mystery wrapped in an enigma surrounded by something else …

USMC dawg

April 6th, 2011
11:35 am

“dawg…I dont get my news from a comedy show (which would be Fox) but I do enjoy the political comedic commentary when its on point…a weak effort but then you don’t have much to work with in your faux poutrage.”-KeepTheFaith

Nice comeback, but as usual, intellectually dishonest and amateurish.

Your Narcissism is showing, again, as usual.

Soothsayer

April 6th, 2011
11:36 am

After 11+ years of ridiculous budget deficits, the Tea Party/Republicans have determined it is now “urgent” that we balance the budget and/or reduce the deficits. So, let’s review our options, shall we?

1. Correct “free” trade to “fair” trade and return jobs to America and thus increase tax revenues. CAN’T DO THAT. GOES AGAINST CORPORATE MASTERS.

2. Repeal Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans to increase tax revenues. CAN’T DO THAT. GOES AGAINST CORPORATE MASTERS.

3. Do away with obscene subsidies for oil companies. CAN’T DO THAT. GOES AGAINST CORPORATE MASTERS.

4. Do away with obscene subsidies for giant agriculture. CAN’T DO THAT. GOES AGAINST CORPORATE MASTERS.

5.Close tax loopholes that allow corporations to pay no tax and get ridiculous refunds, all the while encouraging offshoring of American jobs. CAN’T DO THAT. GOES AGAINST CORPORATE MASTERS.

6. Reduce military spending by winding down wars of empire. CAN’T DO THAT. GOES AGAINST CORPORATE MASTERS.

7. Throw Granny and little Johnny under the bus. NOW WE’RE TALKING!

I can’t wait until 2012!

ken

April 6th, 2011
11:37 am

More liberals have maxed out credit cards than conservatives .I am not surprised.

ken

April 6th, 2011
11:41 am

Go 100% cash. More bad times coming.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
11:44 am

“More liberals have maxed out credit cards than conservatives .I am not surprised.”

care to provide a link to support that theory?

Del

April 6th, 2011
11:45 am

Just checked in and it appears Jay’s losing this argument as well since C.T. is trying to help him out with a ditto.

Is it 2012 yet?

April 6th, 2011
11:45 am

Great Campaign ad for Rebulicans in 2012…………..Hope and Change

carlosgvv

April 6th, 2011
11:45 am

When you are entirely dependent on Big Buisness for your campaign money, as the Republicans are, you find they are very stern and heartless taskmasters and you WILL do as you are told or else, forget the money.

joe

April 6th, 2011
11:46 am

When the one party’s mantra is spend, spend, spend…the other has no choice but to “get to no.” The days of free lunch are over…better get used to it if you are a taker.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
11:47 am

“The Obama Generation: “How dare you send me a bill!””

Yep and:

Where my gas money?

Where my free housing?

Where my new saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaail phone?

I wont my money. Show me da money?

THAT is a typical Obama voter.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
11:48 am

“When you are entirely dependent on Big Buisness for your campaign money, as the Republicans are,”

You mean like Obama who got more money from BP than ANY candidate?

You mean like Obama who gets TONS of cash from GE AND GM?

Del

April 6th, 2011
11:49 am

“When you are entirely dependent on Big Buisness for your campaign money, as the Republicans are, you find they are very stern and heartless taskmasters and you WILL do as you are told or else, forget the money.”

Obama is certainly learning that lesson from G.E.’s Jeffery Immelt.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
11:51 am

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
11:51 am

@@

I laugh at that because I’ve always thought that description is funny. The problems you describe can be traced back to one common theme: Parents are no longer acting like parents. It’s time for parents to quit the “time-outs” and other psycho-crap that doesn’t work. Even the Bible states that if you spare the rod, you’ll spoil the child.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
11:51 am

“sail phone?”

That’s how some African-Americans pronounce cell phone.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
11:52 am

Wowzers, I get back from doing my duty and the blog’s Current Threat Level is on red?

Hysterical. This is REALLY gonna put a crimp in a few styles!

And after that disgusting fiasco last night, where even the always gentlemanly and unflappable Hillbilly Deluxe, lost his cool over one of the more obnoxious people here, that tells you how far down some are trying to pull this forum.

Sorry, that is the bastion of Tucker’s regulars!

Hey Dave R, not knowing much about Paul Ryan, I did some checking.

Ike? West Point.

Ryan? Miami University in Oxford, Ohio.

Ike? Served as chief military aide to General Douglas MacArthur, Army Chief of Staff, until 1935.

Ryan? Worked as legislative director for Sam Brownback of Kansas from 1995 to 1997.

Ike? Supreme Allied Commander in Europe and commanded all forces in Operation Overlord.

Ryan? Worked as a speechwriter to “drug czar” William Bennett and Jack Kemp during the latter’s run for the vice presidency in 1996.

Ike? President of Columbia University in 1948.

Ryan? One of the three founding members of the House GOP Young Guns Program.

And on and on and on and….the differences could not be more stark.

Notwithstanding Ryan’s shining, albeit utterly unproven, status as a rising star in the (f)right wing, I see absolutely no comparisons between the two…

Joe Cool

April 6th, 2011
11:53 am

CBO: Big health cost shift to elderly in GOP plan

WASHINGTON – Most future retirees would pay considerably more for health care under the new budget proposed by House Republicans, according to an analysis by nonpartisan experts for Congress that signals problems ahead for the plan.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
11:54 am

SoCo – ” It’s time for parents to quit the “time-outs” and other psycho-crap that doesn’t work.”

meh – it all boils down to one thing – it’s time for parents to start being PARENTS and quit trying to be their kids’ bestest friends. I don’t think you need to spank or otherwise hit a kid to be a parent – but you do need to quit trying to be their buddy and enforce some BOUNDRIES!

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
11:54 am

“That’s how some African-Americans pronounce cell phone”

you know, just when I think the bar is as low as it can go, you manage to plum new depths.

oy.

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
11:55 am

Actions have consequences, and it seems like the people in Wisconsin are starting a new backlash…..

Obviously there will, and should be, a re-count, but latest news has the challenger Kloppenburg pulling ahead by a couple hundred votes.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2011/by_county/WI_Supreme_Court_0405.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS

RB from Gwinnett

April 6th, 2011
11:55 am

It’s as amazing to me today as it was yesterday how you libs are demanding thier party be allowed to just keep kicking the can on down the road.

If the dems won’t agree to the cuts, what is their tax increase plan to fix this mess? Short of that, they’re burying their heads in the sand deeper than their tools on this blog.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
11:55 am

Ike? Served as chief military aide to General Douglas MacArthur, Army Chief of Staff, until 1935.

Obama? Agitated some poor black people on the south side of Chicago.

Ike? Supreme Allied Commander in Europe and commanded all forces in Operation Overlord.

Obama? Lived off his wifes salary at U of Chicago for two years while trying to figure out what to do in life.

Ryan? One of the three founding members of the House GOP Young Guns Program.

Obama? One of the founding supporters of ACORN.

This is fun, Vet!

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
11:56 am

Soothsayer- 1. Correct “free” trade to “fair” trade and return jobs to America and thus increase tax revenues. CAN’T DO THAT. GOES AGAINST CORPORATE MASTERS.

2. Repeal Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans to increase tax revenues. CAN’T DO THAT. GOES AGAINST CORPORATE MASTERS.

3. Do away with obscene subsidies for oil companies. CAN’T DO THAT. GOES AGAINST CORPORATE MASTERS.

4. Do away with obscene subsidies for giant agriculture. CAN’T DO THAT. GOES AGAINST CORPORATE MASTERS.

5.Close tax loopholes that allow corporations to pay no tax and get ridiculous refunds, all the while encouraging offshoring of American jobs. CAN’T DO THAT. GOES AGAINST CORPORATE MASTERS.

6. Reduce military spending by winding down wars of empire. CAN’T DO THAT. GOES AGAINST CORPORATE MASTERS.

Thank God we had those wonderful Democrats in office to FIX all of those problems since they had complete control. Oops, I guess they were too busy BOWING TO THEIR CORPORATE MASTERS while trying to extend all of Bush’s policies while blaming every problem on him at the same time.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
11:56 am

“you know, just when I think the bar is as low as it can go, you manage to plum new depths.”

Blame ebonics, UK.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
11:56 am

Del

Did you catch my earlier post to you this am?

Fred

April 6th, 2011
11:56 am

Hell no USinUK, beat the fire out of them.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
11:56 am

USinUK

Nyanh…just a charter member of the EOI!

md

April 6th, 2011
11:56 am

“It’s time for parents to quit the “time-outs” and other psycho-crap that doesn’t work.”

Learned long ago that using physical punishment encourages physical responses…..

Used the method of needs and privileges…….if it isn’t a need (read food, shelter, clothing), then it is a privilege……and taking away said privileges is a very effective tool to alter behavior or encourage better choices………..

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
11:57 am

JoNix – EOI – Easy On(the eye) Incorporated???

;-)

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
11:58 am

“Blame ebonics, UK”

nope. that one is all you.

jm

April 6th, 2011
11:58 am

Government about to shut down. Obama out campaigning. Time for a new president.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
11:58 am

WOW

Oh, no! I’m almost an African American…I pronounce “sail” and “cell” almost the same…got that SoCo?

Del

April 6th, 2011
11:58 am

“CBO: Big health cost shift to elderly in GOP plan”

The CBO failed to mention that if nothings done to save Medicare, future retirees will see that “big shift” become a gigantic shift.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
11:59 am

That’s OK, AmVet, I know how much you like to fit data to suit your views.

Here’s the only thing that matters when comparing Ike and Paul Ryan.

Men of principle.

That’s it. That’s ALL that matters in this discussion.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
11:59 am

“nope. that one is all you.”

LOL!!! So I’m to blame for how some black people pronounce certain words! LOL

“Oh, no! I’m almost an African American…I pronounce “sail” and “cell” almost the same”

Like I stated, SOME.

Del

April 6th, 2011
12:00 pm

SoCo, no I didn’t see it.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
12:00 pm

“Yet, conservatives generally donate more money and time than liberals.”

Good afternoon, BMDPD, I believe that is true.

I also think that is only the case unless one takes out the aspect of the church.

Not sure though.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
12:00 pm

USinUK

I wish! There was a time in temps perdu…but those days are long gone…EOI? Paul’s our founder and Commander in Chief…Equal Opportunity Instigators….

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
12:01 pm

” So I’m to blame for how some black people pronounce certain words”

nope – you’re just a bigot.

simple as that.

md

April 6th, 2011
12:02 pm

“WASHINGTON – Most future retirees would pay considerably more for health care under the new budget proposed by House Republicans, according to an analysis by nonpartisan experts for Congress that signals problems ahead for the plan.”

Wonder how much we all pay if we insist on the status quo……………

WOW

April 6th, 2011
12:02 pm

“nope – you’re just a bigot.”

UK, this whole “race baiting” crap is old. I stated an obvious observation about how SOME black people pronounce certain words.

Grow up.

@@

April 6th, 2011
12:02 pm

USinUK:

My daughter attended said high school. Aside from abstinence other forms of birth control were introduced. Parental permission was required.

It’s listed in the curriculum. Abstinence is promoted but discussion of contraceptives is not prohibited. While the instructor may not initiate the discussion, students can and THEY do. My daughter was appalled by the light-hearted attitude, with which most of the students, approached contraceptives. They made a joke of it. She found them to be extremely immature saying things like “They don’t make a condom big enough for my boyfriend.” “My boyfriend breaks his.” “They give my boyfriend a rash.” “It feels plastic ’cause it is.” “Do you have a zucchini?”

Unbelievable.

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
12:03 pm

AmVet, for that I can only speak for myself. We do donate to church and several other Christian based aid programs. Occasionally, we will donate to a secular charity.

LOL

April 6th, 2011
12:03 pm

This argument is so ridiculous. The US Treasury just put out their March accounitng report. They took in 194 billion dollars, they spent 1.1 TRILLION dollars. People we have a debt crisis and we cannot TAX our way out of it, we can’t SPEND our way out of it, we have to CUT Government spending PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!! Now the Senate can no longer kick this can down the road, while the “Spectator in Chief” stands by idly watching. What do you do at home when you have the purse strings tightened? Do you go out and spend, spend, spend? Do you just print more money, oops maybe you didn’t know that that is illegal unless you are the US Government. Maybe some of you think you can just pick-it off a tree, or maybe take it from your wealthier neighbor; oops that’s illegal too unless you are the GOVERNMENT. Look I know many of you think we can just TAX the rich more, or maybe you like Michael Moore’s idea of just confiscating their wealth, and putting the wealthiest in jail, oops that might be UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Before you go with that TAX the rich chant; just remember this; when was the last time a homeless man hired somebody?

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
12:04 pm

jo nix – :lol: – love it!

almost as good as the “business” and friend and I started in DC – Bad Influence Industries – if either of us had an afternoon off, we’d call the other person to see if they’d ditch work and meet for coffee …

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

April 6th, 2011
12:04 pm

Carter was inept and out of his league

Clinton was morally bankrupt

Obama is un-American in his policies

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
12:05 pm

@@ – 12:02 – and if they taught biology … or literature … or math like that, would you say that there was a formal curriculum? of course not.

unless someone has a clearly defined (not to mention, researched) discussion, then they can’t really teach a subject – particularly that one.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
12:06 pm

Dave, I know that was your point, and you may well be right.

But, actions speak louder than words, and until I can see considerable evidence of this “moral courage”, I’m by nature, a doubting Thomas when it comes to all politicans.

And one last item as food for thought:

In 2008, Ryan voted for TARP, the Wall Street bailout that precipitated the Tea Party, and the bailout of GM and Chrysler.

Seems like he’s a bit of a RINO wild card to be the right wing’s standard bearer, huh?

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
12:06 pm

WOW

Actually the pronunciation pattern you mention…the “sail” is the sibilant s, drawled long “a” followed by the light l…thus, say-il…the “cell” is the palatal c, followed by the short e, followed by the dark l, thus ceh-ull…thoroughly consistent with the phonetic patterns of the London dialect at the time contemporary English orthography was standardized in the 1600s…a “purerer” English, if you will…

Sorry, y’all, but I gotta put that education from a top 100 to use! :-)

Joe Cool

April 6th, 2011
12:06 pm

“That’s how some White, African, Asian, Hispanic-Americans pronounce cell phone”

Fixed your bigot typo. And WOW wonders why no one respects the mess IT speaks.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
12:06 pm

“I’m by nature, a doubting Thomas when it comes to all politicans.”

Except for Nadar…..

Deep Throat

April 6th, 2011
12:07 pm

Like Amvet knows about anything regarding military !

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
12:07 pm

Yeah UK, grow up….we know white people never misprounce words especially here in Gor ja.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
12:07 pm

“Fixed your bigot typo.”

I love it when left wingers have to resort to name calling instead of discussing an issue.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
12:08 pm

“this whole “race baiting” crap is old. I stated an obvious observation about how SOME black people pronounce certain words”

it may be old, but it still fits you to a tee.

so do SOME white people … SOME SoBaps … SOME Presbytarians … SOME teachers … SOME bankers … etc … you played the race card, my friendly … play it with pride.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
12:08 pm

“misprounce”

Spell check is your comrade, comrade! :)

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
12:09 pm

Keep Up – zackly

Adam

April 6th, 2011
12:09 pm

Wow. There really is nothing more to say. All of you have followed your standard script to the letter, even the ones claiming that they are fair and balanced by saying both sides are guilty (they’re not). One side is open to compromise, the other side is not. That’s not how you negotiate in good faith.

One thing the GOP is doing right now that bears note: They are putting this battle ahead of the good of the country. It is not possible to fix the deficit in a single year, much less with ONLY spending cuts, whether it’s 30, 60, 100 or more billion. It is not logical to say that one side was solely responsible for the budget, any more than it is now to say this about these “negotiations.” Both sides have to play fair in order for it to work, and if a budget doesn’t pass it’s really the fault of those who repeatedly vote against and rail against any sort of budget proposal they see.

I do admit, I think the Democrats should propose to make exactly the same cuts that are being suggested by the Republicans. Then we would find out real quickly and for all to see who is more serious about passing a budget.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
12:09 pm

“it may be old, but it still fits you to a tee.”

UK, you can call me whatever you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that some black people pronounce the word CELL as SAIL.

“you played the race card”

Nope, just pointed out how some Obama voters pronounce words. Remember, 90% of blacks voted for Obama.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
12:10 pm

oops

make that “more pure” must conform to the Romance pattern of comparative forms of adjectives and not the Germanic…3 pts off…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
12:11 pm

yep and some ignorant people use the word “sew” to mean “sue” and then when their error is pointed out they say “well I done heard others do that”

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
12:11 pm

“Nope, just pointed out how some Obama voters pronounce words. Remember, 90% of blacks voted for Obama.”

:lol:

first it’s African-Americans … now it’s “Obama Voters”

trying to weasel out of being a bigot just makes you look like a spineless one, not less of one.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
12:12 pm

“yep and some ignorant people use the word “sew” to mean “sue” and then when their error is pointed out they say “well I done heard others do that”

Yep, and some people talk about pooping unicorns. Your point?

Joe Cool

April 6th, 2011
12:12 pm

“I love it when left wingers have to resort to name calling instead of discussing an issue”

Good! There’s no “issue” in your bigoted statement. Just shows your true colors and no one is surprised.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
12:12 pm

“first it’s African-Americans … now it’s “Obama Voters”

You don’t read well, do ya?

“trying to weasel out of being a bigot just makes you look like a spineless one, not less of one.”

tick…..tick…..tick……..

@@

April 6th, 2011
12:13 pm

SoCo:

It’s time for parents to quit the “time-outs” and other psycho-crap that doesn’t work. Even the Bible states that if you spare the rod, you’ll spoil the child.

When they’re young, I agree. But spanking an older child only makes their natural tendency to defy all the stronger.

I still say, it’s the absence of fathers in the home. You better hope that the last thing your daughter wants to do is disappoint you. In our house, when my husband told our daughter, “You disappointed me when…”, she was devastated. At age 25, she still talks about the impact it had on her.

She is and always will be her Daddy’s little girl. She takes comfort in know that.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

April 6th, 2011
12:13 pm

It’s really funny.

After the facts are presented to the regular libs on this blog, they no longer discuss the topic at hand but turn to using the forum to visit with each other like long lost friends.

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
12:13 pm

WOW, give it up. You don’t like Obama. Thus, we all already know you are racist. Gosh!

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
12:13 pm

AmVet- also think that is only the case unless one takes out the aspect of the church

Since most liberals are trying to replace religion with government, I think the data would show you’re even more wrong.

Bush donations to charity: $800k
Gore donations to charity: $300 (notice the lack of k)

PS: Before Granny has a coronary, I didn’t research the actual numbers but it is close enough to accurate to make my point. Google away if you want the actual numbers.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
12:14 pm

OK, based on the fact that the stink factor is STILL going up, I’m gonna bow out and see who is the first miscreant to get a red card.

All I can say is that it’s a damn shame that I can’t make money by wagering on this. I feel good about an afternoon trifecta…

md

April 6th, 2011
12:14 pm

“Wow. There really is nothing more to say. All of you have followed your standard script to the letter, even the ones claiming that they are fair and balanced by saying both sides are guilty (they’re not). One side is open to compromise, the other side is not. That’s not how you negotiate in good faith.”

As Adam follows his script to a tee…………………..

WOW

April 6th, 2011
12:15 pm

“Good! There’s no “issue” in your bigoted statement. Just shows your true colors and no one is surprised.”

LOLOL!!!!!!

“WOW, give it up. You don’t like Obama. Thus, we all already know you are racist. Gosh!”

I’m always amazed at how fast left wingers go on the attack whenever someone points out an obvious observation about Ebonics.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
12:15 pm

I didn’t say he was perfect, AmVet! :D

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
12:15 pm

JKL2, don’t argue. We already know conservatives hate the poor and elderly.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
12:16 pm

@@

I won’t go so far as to say the absence of fathers in the home, but I would say the absence of strong male role models…my own father (”the walking sperm bank from which I made nine withdrawals”–Mama) was largely absent, but I had a slough of good male role models from both sides of the family as well as older siblings to take charge…

Fred

April 6th, 2011
12:16 pm

Joe Cool

April 6th, 2011
12:06 pm

Fixed your bigot typo. And WOW wonders why no one respects the mess IT speaks.
==============================

Hell, I wonder why anyone bothers to respond to him.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
12:17 pm

dave r

I guess you forgot the republican retreat where obama schooled the house repubs on economics, ryan included…

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
12:17 pm

“I still say, it’s the absence of fathers in the home”

fwiw – I think that research supports that statement

however, we still have to deal with the situation we have, not the situation we would like (to misquote a certain US general)

Deep Throat

April 6th, 2011
12:17 pm

If not liking Obama makes one a racist, color me a racist.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
12:17 pm

“They are putting this battle ahead of the good of the country.”

Dumbest comment of the day above. Hands down.

Yeah, Adam, let’s just keep spending into oblivion! How’s THAT working out?

@@

April 6th, 2011
12:17 pm

USinUK:

unless someone has a clearly defined (not to mention, researched) discussion, then they can’t really teach a subject – particularly that one.

Absent the immature comments, the subject is/was clearly defined. What do we do with kids who want to make light of the material? Toss ‘em out when they’re the ones who are obviously in dire need of instruction?

WOW

April 6th, 2011
12:18 pm

“I guess you forgot the republican retreat where obama schooled the house repubs on economics”

Yeah he sure schooled them, huh! Unemployment was 8% when Obama took office and it went all the way up to 10%. Man, he sure schooled them!

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
12:18 pm

I love how people still cling to “ebonics” as if it’s real. or even still an issue.

John Birch

April 6th, 2011
12:18 pm

The Repubs should ask for $200-300B in spending cuts every year until the budget is balanced. The cowardly Obama has shown he will cave in if you just hang tough. And someone needs to lead us back to fiscal responsibility. A president who submits a budget with $3.8T in spending and $2.2T in revenue obviously doesn’t have a clue.

snoqualmiepass

April 6th, 2011
12:18 pm

Love the comments today from the Tea Party supporters as it is factual they are running the show in Washington.
So tell me TP’ers, if you are not going to pay the military personnel fighting 3 wars, well, why stay in the military? Your supposed to be paid for your services, but the party of No says otherwise. So who of you brave TP’ers is willing to pick up the slack? Anyone? anyone? Didn’t think so.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
12:18 pm

WOW

It isn’t that you point it out, it’s how and why you do it. And the correct term is the Black Sub-dialect of Southern American English…not Ebonics…

WOW

April 6th, 2011
12:18 pm

“If not liking Obama makes one a racist, color me a racist.”

I don’t like his black side as much as I don’t like his white side. -RUSH

Couldn’t agree more.

md

April 6th, 2011
12:19 pm

“When they’re young, I agree. But spanking an older child only makes their natural tendency to defy all the stronger.”

I don’t………spanking young children may very often teach the very behavior one is trying to discourage. Many times a child has no clue that they did something wrong. What they see is an angry parent hitting them……….which very well may teach them that it is therefore ok to hit others when one is angry…………………..they do not necessarily make the connection the parent is trying to make.

Much like rubbing a dogs nose in its poo…….the dog already knows it’s his……so what?

Jay

April 6th, 2011
12:19 pm

That’s 24, Wow.

Del

April 6th, 2011
12:20 pm

SoCo, I went back and found your post. Thanks, RW did square it away. I didn’t think you meant it that way.

John Birch

April 6th, 2011
12:20 pm

USINUK – First you need to start sterilizing every woman that goes on welfare.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
12:20 pm

USinUK…. well ebonics is reality in RightyLaLa Land where unicorns poop glazed donuts, I mean that particular poster has no concept of reality…..but he sure do know ebonic, and if you argue, he’ll sew you.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
12:21 pm

USinner

I don’t advocate spanking a child for any and everything, but sometimes a parent has to put the fear of God into their children or they will never have the necessary parental control to rear their child. I was trying to state what you said, it’s time for parents to be parents and not buddies. My daughter knows that if I have to count, she’d better not let me get to three or things will get very dicey. She has yet to allow me to get to three.

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
12:21 pm

Adam- Then we would find out real quickly and for all to see who is more serious about passing a budget

The fiscal year started OCT 1, 2010, The Demwits have had over six months to pass a budget. They should be working on 2012 not 2011. Tell me how serious they have been?

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
12:21 pm

Conservative: “Man, I could give a lot more to charity, if my taxes weren’t so high.”

Liberal: “We need to tax the rich so we can let the government decide who gets charity.”

What is the proper way of thinking? Just asking…..

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
12:21 pm

@@ – the point is that the teacher can’t raise the subject. if they can’t raise the subject (and talk about it in depth – providing scientifically accurate research, especially), it really isn’t curriculum.

and the kids know it. which is why they take the pi$$

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
12:21 pm

“So tell me TP’ers, if you are not going to pay the military personnel fighting 3 wars, well, why stay in the military?”

Who says they’re not going to be paid? Shutdown doesn’t mean TOTAL shutdown. Just non-essential services. You need to pay attention.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
12:22 pm

This would be comical if it wasn’t so serious. Is there something about basic math that absolutely confounds libs?

We’re borrowing 40 cents for every dollar we are spending and at that pace we will soon be bankrupted into depression. What is it about that which is so difficult for libs to understand? Seriously? What is it that you guys don’t understand?

We’re broke and spiraling into a debt hole we may never get out of. And your blaming the Repubs for asking for 33 billion and then 40 billion in cuts when that paltry amount won’t even put a dent in the deficit of 1.6 trillion for FY 2011? Seriously?

I’m having difficulty fathoming the bottomless stupidity of people who think the bad guys are the Repubs because they’re asking for a intsy bitsy 40 billion dollars worth of cuts to a 1.65 trillion dollar deficit. You people are nothing short of brain dead.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
12:22 pm

John – 12:20 – right after we sterilize every man.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
12:23 pm

“they no longer discuss the topic at hand but turn to using the forum to visit with each other like long lost friends.”

And just exactly HOW is THIS addressing the topic at hand?

Mick

April 6th, 2011
12:23 pm

wow

Yes he did school them and apparently, you too. He explained very concisely as a matter of fact, what the deficit was the day he took office. That’s a truth that many repubs here are in denial about and will not admit what bush owns and obama added…

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
12:23 pm

SoCo – 12:21 – I 100% agree! I remember asking my brother once what happened if he got to 3, he said he hasn’t had to find out, yet. (and that’s with 2 boys!)

RB from Gwinnett

April 6th, 2011
12:24 pm

“So tell me TP’ers, if you are not going to pay the military personnel fighting 3 wars, well, why stay in the military? ”

If the depth of your understanding of the federal budget can’t get beyond that single point, perhaps you should leave discussions about it to the adults and go join Oprah’s blog where you’ll fit in better.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
12:24 pm

Del

From the previous thread…

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
8:36 am
G’Morning all…

Del, if you read this, I saw your post last night, and the latter part of that post that you were referring to was not directed at you. I should have done more to point that part to the person who’s quote I was addressing. RW hit it dead on the head.

josef

Almost African American???? Get your own trump cards and quit trying to bogart mine!!!! :)

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
12:25 pm

Campaign slogan: “Scrape Obama off your shoe in 2012″

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
12:25 pm

Breeders sho is a messy lot!

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
12:25 pm

doggone – 12:23 – I find that people who b*tch and moan about that are the ones no one WANTS to talk to …

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
12:26 pm

BMDPD- You don’t like Obama. Thus, we all already know you are racist.

Just waiting for the time we can judge someone based on the content of their character, not the color of their skin. Funny how these “progressives” are still stuck in the 60’s and trying to fight a battle they already won.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

April 6th, 2011
12:26 pm

“Unless you were born in Africa, you are not African-American.

You are an American !

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
12:26 pm

jo nix – 12:25 – :lol:

carlosgvv

April 6th, 2011
12:27 pm

WOW – DEL

I would have a very hard time believing BP, GE and GM would contribute more to the Democrats than the Republicans.

@@

April 6th, 2011
12:27 pm

josef:

We’re talkin’ about girls here. You’re a guy.

And yes, I have seen stepfathers, uncles, and “alternative” role models pick up the slack. My “framer friend” keeps a close eye on his nieces, telling them…”WTH is that I’m seeing on your facebook page?” “Don’t make me come up there (S.C.) to spank your butt.” “I’ll tell yore Mama what she probably doesn’t know.”

Somebody else died. I’ve gotta help prepare a meal. Didn’t even like the old fart but his wife’s a good-hearted soul. She’d have to be to put up with him all these years. I’m guessing 60 years.

Joe Cool

April 6th, 2011
12:28 pm

“Hell, I wonder why anyone bothers to respond to him.”

True, because he, BOY GeorgeW, and LBB seek the attention their parents never showed them while they locked them in the closet. Funny thing is, neither one of the bigoted cons would ever have the galls to speak such nonsense face to face that they spew here. Like most cowards, they hide behind something and this is their fourm to speak what they dont the 8alls to say in the open. Hence, why no one on here respects their opinions.

md

April 6th, 2011
12:28 pm

“That’s a truth that many repubs here are in denial about and will not admit what bush owns and obama added…”

And there in lies the problem……..for neither Bush nor Obama own anything………we all do.

It is OUR debt………regardless of how it got there…………..

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
12:28 pm

SoCo

Well, there used to be that tea-cup a33 you know…and, well…we won’t go there! :-)

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
12:28 pm

@@

If you haven’t trained that child when they’re young, there’s no hope when they’re older. I’m with josef in that it doesn’t have to be a father. A father-figure works just as well. I had my grandfather and uncles, and I turned out ok. I’d even say that some of the whippings I got would probably be classified as child abuse nowadays. It didn’t make me rebel, and it kept my ass in line when I thought I knew better than what I actually did. I’ll raise my daughter the same way I was raised, as I turned out ok.

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
12:28 pm

JKL2, don’t you know that only liberals can judge someone on the content of their character? Conservatives are racits!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
12:28 pm

“Unless you were born in Africa, you are not African-American.” You are an American

Unless we be crazy birthers and then we say “You’re Kenyan.”

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
12:29 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
12:20 pm
USinUK…. well ebonics is reality in RightyLaLa Land where unicorns poop glazed donuts, I mean that particular poster has no concept of reality…..but he sure do know ebonic, and if you argue, he’ll sew you.

keep up,

Once again I have to help you out with reality. There are black people to whom Ebonics is a credible dialect. In the Oakland county school system the school board wanted to pass an ebonics cirriculum several years back? You remember that tweedledumb?

You got a problem with people bringing up ebonics buddy? Then take it to the nimrods out there who consider it a real language.

On December 18, 1996, the Oakland, California school board passed a controversial resolution recognizing the legitimacy of “Ebonics”—what mainstream linguists more often term African American Vernacular English—as a language. The resolution set off a maelstrom of media criticism and ignited a hotly discussed national debate.

For students whose primary dialect was “Ebonics”, the Oakland resolution mandated some instruction in that dialect, both for “maintaining the legitimacy and richness of such language… and to facilitate their acquisition and mastery of English language skills.” This also included the proposed increase of salaries of those proficient in both “Ebonics” and Standard English to the level of those teaching LEP (limited English proficiency) students and the use of public funding to help teachers learn AAVE themselves.[1]

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
12:29 pm

“I find that people who b*tch and moan about that are the ones no one WANTS to talk to ”

Yep…and right up there with the ones who don’t understand the concept of an open forum

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
12:29 pm

BMDPD: “Conservative: “Man, I could give a lot more to charity, if my taxes weren’t so high. / Liberal: “We need to tax the rich so we can let the government decide who gets charity.”

I expounded on this at some length in yesterday’s threads. Here, I’ll re-paste to further the discussion:

It’s not good enough for me that I as an isolated individual am free to help the poor, etc. Like Jay said, the problem addresses us all as a society – a word the right hates – and as a collective – a word they hate even more. So it’s not good enough for me to know I’m free to help out poor people on a voluntary basis. I want it baked into the very fabric of our society.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
12:30 pm

md

Yes, you are absolutely correct but we can’t cast a blind partisan eye as to how we arrived where we are at….

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
12:32 pm

Mick

April 6th, 2011
12:32 pm

doom

Why are we resurrecting ebonics from the grave yard?

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
12:33 pm

In other words, BMDPD, it’s not enough for me to know that I’m free to give anything extra I have to charity, I want to know that YOU are paying too. I.e., I want the responsibility to provide support to those who need it most formalized – through taxation.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
12:33 pm

“Unless you were born in Africa, you are not African-American.

You are an American !

If you’re born in America and one parent is from the continent of Africa, you are an African-American. It doesn’t matter whether you’re Black or White.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
12:33 pm

thulsa – yeah. and it’s SWEEPIN the land, I tell ya!!! school systems all over the states are adopting it!!!

oh. wait …

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
12:34 pm

Gotta run for a minute…Mama’s here to pick up Pombo…but I do have something to say about the Oakland decision…there was a lot more to that than meets the eye…

@@

April 6th, 2011
12:34 pm

USinUK:

@@ – the point is that the teacher can’t raise the subject. if they can’t raise the subject (and talk about it in depth – providing scientifically accurate research, especially), it really isn’t curriculum.

It wouldn’t make any difference if it WAS curriculum. The kids have, thru society’s lackadaisical attitude, (yours for example) have been given “permission” if you will, to approach the subject with the same attitude. It’s all a big joke to them.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
12:34 pm

mick – it’s a zombie issue – it is dead to most of us, but some people want to keep it alive

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
12:35 pm

On December 18, 1996, the Oakland, California school board passed a controversial resolution recognizing the legitimacy of “Ebonics”

wowser, one (1) school board from 15 years ago.

you sure showed us what for.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
12:35 pm

“I’ll raise my daughter the same way I was raised, as I turned out ok.”

And therein lies some of the problem with the “deadbeats” that the conned like to complain about. You turned out Ok, so yes, raise your child similarly. But if you think about it, what would you do if you HADN’T turned out “OK”? How else would you raise your child – since the only way TO raise one that you know is how YOU were raised. (I’m using you as an example, naturally – not criticising your plans!)

Bad child raising perpetuates itself, just as good child raising does. The question is: how do we BREAK that cycle of bad child raising? Never having had children, I don’t have an answer – but I can’t help but think that it wouldn’t hurt to have classes for high school students on – at a minimum – constitutes child ABUSE.

Some of them literally don’t know. If you ever read “Room for One More” by Anna Rose Perrot – she talks about one of her foster children who had been beaten so much that when he came to her, he literally did not think you meant what you said if you didn’t hit him.

Fred

April 6th, 2011
12:35 pm

@SoCo: I agree with you on the spanking thing. For us it’s a last resort, not the first option. i mean if you bring out the “big gun’ all the time it becomes diminished. Also you could have described me and my daughter with the three count. I have NEVER gotten to three lol. I also don’t “count” often. To me it’s a fine line to walk to maintain proper respect and discipline and not suppressing their their free spirit and ability to make choices. To learn to make GOOD choices, one has to make a few bad ones every now and then. But it IS still our responsibilities as fathers to raise a child that is a benefit to society, not a dreg.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
12:36 pm

Thulsa Doom
April 6th, 2011
12:29 pm
…You remember that tweedledumb

I’m sorry….i never got past your name calling. Enjoy the vacation……in case you did not see Jays 10:30

Mick

April 6th, 2011
12:38 pm

usinuk

The weather today is cherry, wish I was at sobe dancing with the sharks…

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
12:39 pm

@@ – ” The kids have, thru society’s lackadaisical attitude, (yours for example) have been given “permission” if you will, to approach the subject with the same attitude.”

mine??? :lol: oy, you really do need to get personal to try to make a point, don’t you …

kids will ALWAYS joke about sex because it’s something they don’t understand and that makes them nervous – so they have to put on a big show. ’twas ever thus.

the problem is that we have shows / videos / music / etc encouraging them to get busy – NONE of which show the possible outcomes. sometimes they show girls getting pregnant – none of them portray STDs. so, if the teachers aren’t giving scientifically accurate information – IN AN APPROVED and SCIENTIFICALLY ACCURATE CURRICULUM, they’re not getting ANY info. Or, what they are getting is full of falsehoods and old wives tales.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
12:40 pm

Mick – here, too!! I’m surrounded by windows full of sunshine and blue skies – it’s too pretty to be inside!

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
12:41 pm

Mick and USinUK,

You guys brought up the ebonics issue did you not? All I’m doing is pointing out that some black people themselves consider it a language. If they don’t have a problem with it then why should you?

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
12:42 pm

keep up,

WAAAAAAAA. Go cry to Jay as usual. Or sue somebody. BTW are you still suing other posters that hurt your feelings?

Joe Cool

April 6th, 2011
12:42 pm

Ebonics: Good enough to get you a job protecting our country WOW.

Ebonics translators needed by DEA:

The AP reported:

ATLANTA (AP) – Federal agents are seeking to hire Ebonicstranslators to help interpret wiretapped conversations involving targets of undercover drug investigations.

Drug Enforcement Agency Special Agent Michael Sanders said the agency recently sent memos asking companies that provide it translation services to help it find nine translators in the Southeast who are fluent in Ebonics

Fred

April 6th, 2011
12:43 pm

@Keep: I missed Jay’s 10:30. Is that why WOW is no longer present? I wondered what “That’s 24 WOW” meant………

Mick

April 6th, 2011
12:43 pm

doom

I didn’t bring it up…I more in line with bill cosby’s take on proper english and manners..

Mick

April 6th, 2011
12:44 pm

With apolgies to neil young dedicated to wow: “24 and their ain’t much more”…

Mr_B

April 6th, 2011
12:45 pm

Jonix @12:26 Perhaps some of us would go there. ( Insert smiley here.)

BTW William Shakespear would have prounced “cell” as “sail.”

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
12:45 pm

Left wing- it’s not good enough for me to know I’m free to help out poor people on a voluntary basis

Give money to the Red Cross and 96 cents of every dollar goes to the victims. Give money to the government and 30 cents of every dollar goes to the victims.

So in your time of need, would you rather get 96 cents from a charity or 30 cents from the government (because it make the demwits feel better about themselves knowing they had the personal responsibility to steal the money from someone else to help)

carlosgvv

April 6th, 2011
12:45 pm

I read a story once about a young white man who was born and raised in South Africa and moved to the US at age 17. In a college class a few years later he told an “African-American” girl she was not that because she had never even been to Africa. He then told the whole class, many of whom were black, that he was the only true African-American in the room. You might not be supprised to hear that did not go over too well. The college went into spasms of political correctness trying to smooth things over. I believe the young man was quietly asked to move on to another school.

Mr_B

April 6th, 2011
12:45 pm

Damn! SHAKESPEARE!

md

April 6th, 2011
12:46 pm

“Yes, you are absolutely correct but we can’t cast a blind partisan eye as to how we arrived where we are at….”

It is the “partisan” that put us in the hole……………turning a blind eye is exactly what is needed.

It is what it is…….now let’s role up our sleeves and find a solution.

But the misfits continue to do what they were trained to do…play politics…….and their “followers” will also continue to play the roles cast for them……..

So, the cycle will more than likely continue until the crisis eventually comes and dictates a different course of action…………..

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
12:46 pm

“You guys brought up the ebonics issue did you not?”

nope. that would be the Wowster.

Finn McCool

April 6th, 2011
12:46 pm

Hey, Republicans, whatever happened to america first?

Mari

April 6th, 2011
12:47 pm

Why is it when the Dems were working to pass Health Care that they were elected to do, the Republicans didn’t give a flying flip about the will of the people who voted for that change. Now that they won in November, everyone is expected to bow to the will of the ones who elected Republicans. Could it be that Republicans and conservatives have no respect for the people who elected President Obama? Next question is I wonder why?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
12:47 pm

Fred…sorry it should have been 10:32….And since Doom is intend on seeing if Jay is bluffing on his threat given prior childish name calling from the prior night, we’ll see if it is enforce.

As for wow, that is a different rule because of his noise to content ratio…he only gets 15 posts until the count exceeds 500. But wow’s ability to count post is slipping lately…..he may have put his socks back on :D

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
12:47 pm

carlosgvv,

Yes. That did happen. And yes as far as I can remember the young man didn’t understand what the problem was since he truly was the only African American there. And yes I believe he was asked to transfer to another school.

Political correctness- for people who stand for nothing because they believe in nothing.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
12:48 pm

intent and posts….my 9-finger typing is frustrating.

@@

April 6th, 2011
12:48 pm

Fred @ 12:35:

Excellent points!

Saw a young boy in the grocery store yesterday (maybe 8 y.o.). His Mom in front pushing the shopping cart. With a grin on his face and mischief in his eye, he hurried up behind her placing his face within six inches of her back. I’m thinking she had gotten onto him for not staying close. It made me smile. When his mother sensed he was right behind him, she smacked him hard, screaming at him for following too close.

The way I saw it, he took her previous instruction and was having fun with it. Pretty typical for a boy…nothing that he should’ve been punished for.

Joe Cool

April 6th, 2011
12:48 pm

“All I’m doing is pointing out that some black people themselves consider it a language.”

Dumbest comment of the day. I’ve never met a black person nor know of 1 black person who considers ebonics a “language” and neither have you.

Fred

April 6th, 2011
12:48 pm

Well I read on the “best of Atlanta” best meatloaf blog that Wednesday is meatloaf day at the Oak Grove Market. Anyone else wanna go try it? Josef?

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
12:50 pm

“In a college class a few years later he told an “African-American” girl she was not that because she had never even been to Africa. ”

JoNix and I have had this discussion in the past – the director of one of my favorite movies, Smoke Signals, has said that, unless you were raised on a reservation, you’re not really “part native american”

Mick

April 6th, 2011
12:50 pm

**for people who stand for nothing because they believe in nothing**

How does one go about believing in nothing? Maybe they don’t believe what you believe but that is something…

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
12:50 pm

With apolgies to neil young dedicated to wow: “24 and their ain’t much more”…

Now that is clever, Mick.

Well done, you rock and roll animal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSLid-0cUcI

(And since at least one of the auto-responders has been muted, I’ll jump back in to see who takes his place.)

BeeJay

April 6th, 2011
12:50 pm

The GOP “lusts” for a shutdown? You’re loony.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
12:51 pm

keep up,

I didn’t see Jay’s warning. And I’m not calling his bluff- its you who thinks he’s the blog sheriff. If he wants to ban me that’s his decision. And btw I have a second computer with a second IP address so its not as if it would actually do any good. And I’ve got my droid with another address and another email. You’re just mad cause I consistently make your points look foolish.

md

April 6th, 2011
12:52 pm

“Why is it when the Dems were working to pass Health Care that they were elected to do, the Republicans didn’t give a flying flip about the will of the people who voted for that change.”

For starters, many that voted for Obama were doing nothing more than voting against Bush 3 (McCain)…….the so called hc mandate wasn’t even on their radar…………

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
12:53 pm

“its you who thinks he’s the blog sheriff”

well, it is his blog … jsut sayin.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
12:53 pm

How funny…. the Doom issues a challenge to Jay rather than an apology.

Talking about sheriff’s Doom… did you read the Visitor’s Agreement?

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
12:54 pm

JKL2: “Give money to the Red Cross and 96 cents of every dollar goes to the victims. Give money to the government and 30 cents of every dollar goes to the victims.”

Obvious false equivalence between a charity organization and the government, which is vastly larger and more complex than any single aid organization. Try again.

Fred

April 6th, 2011
12:54 pm

“blog sheriff” a role he begrudgingly assumes methinks. Hey Jay, wanna go get some meatloaf?

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
12:54 pm

USinUk,

I’m referring to keep up thinking he is the blog sheriff. Probably could have worded it better- I’m sure keep up will try to sue me over it.

Jay

April 6th, 2011
12:55 pm

Doom, for the record, I think I’m the blog sheriff too.

So does my employer. And I can be effective at it if need be.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
12:56 pm

Fred, a friend of mine told me yesterday that Meatloaf had some sort of meltdown on one of those inane and contrived reality TV shows recently.

And as a would-be non-epicurean, really good meatloaf is one of the best comfort foods out there.

From today’s USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/yourlife/mind-soul/education/2011-04-06-rockstars06_CV_N.htm

http://mediagallery.usatoday.com/Rock-%27n%27-roll-icons-bring-their-expertise-into-the-classroom/G2137,A8825

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
12:56 pm

Ever since Charlie Sheen started claiming he was “winning”, its amazing the number of right wingnut posters who chose to follow Charlie down the “winning” cliff by claiming they are “winning” here….

Working for them ’bout as well as it will for Charlie’s career.

Kamchak

April 6th, 2011
12:58 pm

yellow card.

just sayin’.

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
12:58 pm

SoCo- If you’re born in America and one parent is from the continent of Africa, you are an African-American. It doesn’t matter whether you’re Black or White.

Well said. Reminds me of another crook/senator from IL, Carol Mosely Braun. The extent of her 6 years as senator was she made a rousing speech on the floor about all she had to overcome being a poor African-American coming out of slavery.

Unfortunately, her family came from Jamaica and didn’t have any history with Africa or slavery. But she did get a government pension and her mom did get a multimillion $ apartment on Michigan Ave while her workers went unpaid. But I’m probably just being a racist again…

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
12:59 pm

the so called hc mandate wasn’t even on their radar…

that could be true of some, perhaps even many who voted in the general, but it was certainly an issue with primary voters, and it was discussed quite a bit in the primary debates.

see also:

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/subjects/health-care/

18 specific Obama promises on the subject of healthcare–pretty sure they all date back to the 2008 campaign, although it’s a bit tough to confirm since some of the linked campaign pages have expired.

Midori

April 6th, 2011
12:59 pm

I must be the only African American/black/whatever woman in Atlanta who doesn’t speak Eubonics :(

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
1:00 pm

keep up,

I’m still here. Man you must be mad- getting angrier by the minute are ya? Typical lib you are. If you can’t beat someone you try to silence them. Next you’ll probably come up with a hush Rush bill. Oh, and I supposed you’ve never ever called anyone on here a name have ya?

Mick

April 6th, 2011
1:00 pm

**And btw I have a second computer with a second IP address so its not as if it would actually do any good. And I’ve got my droid with another address and another email**

All that for one blog? Jay, I would be honored that one would go to such lengths just to get in a word edgewise….you must be doing something right….

Midori

April 6th, 2011
1:01 pm

fred – I’ve tried Oak Grove’s meatloaf and it is wonderful.

also – Thursday is grilled steak day (tbone or ribeye). they are great as well.

Haven’t been there in quite a while since my meat eating days are pretty much limited.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
1:01 pm

Jay,

Duly noted. I was telling keep up that he thinks he’s the blog sheriff. In any event no name calling.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
1:01 pm

““blog sheriff” a role he begrudgingly assumes methinks. Hey Jay, wanna go get some meatloaf?”

I don’t know if it’s still around, but back in the early 90s, there was a FANTASTIC cafe up the street from the State Capitol that had the BEST meatloaf (mash, grean beans and corn bread) every Thursday.

don’t remember the name, but it was on MLK between Pryor and P’tree …

mmmmmm … good stuff!

Mick

April 6th, 2011
1:02 pm

doom

Most of the time, your perspective adds value to the debate, just my opinion…

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
1:02 pm

Mick,

That’s funny. I don’t think anybody would keep all that just for one blog. Just keeping technologically ahead is all.

poison pen

April 6th, 2011
1:03 pm

Joe Cool

April 6th, 2011
12:48 pm
“All I’m doing is pointing out that some black people themselves consider it a language.”

Dumbest comment of the day. I’ve never met a black person nor know of 1 black person who considers ebonics a “language” and neither have you.

Joe, several years ago, in Detroit, they tried to get Ebonics into their school system. I know this for a fact because I lived there.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
1:03 pm

“Eubonics”

is that what Bob Eubanks used to speak?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Eubanks

lovelyliz

April 6th, 2011
1:04 pm

Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL), a member of the bipartisan National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, offered a comprehensive proposal to reduce the federal deficit without making middle class Americans foot the bill. Schakowsky’s plan is an alternative to the Bowles-Simpson plan and would reduce the deficit by $441 billion in 2015, surpassing President Obama’s $250 billion target. Critically, the Schakowsky plan accomplishes deficit reduction without making cuts to essential federal expenditures that benefit the middle class
The Schakowsky plan is based on five key elements:

1) Increased economic stimulus to spur growth in the immediate term

· Provide $200 billion to invest over the next two years in measures to create jobs and spur economic growth, including passing the Local Jobs for America Act; and funding for education and law enforcement; Unemployment Insurance, Federal Medical Assistance Percentages (FMAP) and Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program extensions; and infrastructure.
· Adopt the President’s proposals to eliminate overseas tax havens and incentives for outsourcing

2) Smart, targeted spending cuts

· Non-Defense Discretionary – $7.55 billion in savings through increased efficiency and cuts to programs that benefit large corporations that don’t need assistance.

· Defense Discretionary – $110.7 billion in cuts from the 2015 defense budget, including efficiency savings, reducing our troop levels, cutting weapons systems we don’t need, and scaling back the wartime increases in the size of the military.

3) Mandatory spending cuts

•Health Care – at least $31.2 billion in savings by implementing measures to bring down the cost of health care to the federal government and lower health care inflation overall.
•Other – $7.7 billion in savings by cutting agriculture subsidies in half, and redistributing federal support to offer greater benefits to small family farms reduce subsidies to large corporate agribusiness.

4) Reductions in tax expenditures

•Raise $132.2 billion by closing tax subsidies for companies that ship American jobs overseas.

5) Increases in revenues

•Raise $144.6 billion in revenue through progressive reforms to the estate tax, treating capital gains and dividends as regular income, and enacting a cap and trade proposal that includes protections for lower-income people.
•Enact President Obama’s budget proposal to let the Bush tax cuts for the top 2 brackets expire and return to 2009 estate tax levels.
•Non-tax revenue – raise $7 billion by addressing places where the private sector is currently under-paying.

md

April 6th, 2011
1:04 pm

“that could be true of some, perhaps even many who voted in the general, but it was certainly an issue with primary voters, and it was discussed quite a bit in the primary debates.”

Sure, it was one of the issues…….but to automatically equate winning with mandates is a false premise……that is why we are in the mess we are in…..each party assumes a mandate for their entire platform after every ‘win”……………..

That’s hogwash……….

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
1:04 pm

Midori,

We’re past the ebonics. Dead issue. Someone just started playing the race card as usual but its done now.

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
1:06 pm

left wing- Obvious false equivalence between a charity organization and the government, which is vastly larger and more complex than any single aid organization

Like the government does have layer after layer of programs doing the same thing with increasing large beaurcratic waste at every level.

So your solution is for everyone to give three times as much to the government so we can get the same result? You get my vote for DNC Chairman. Brilliant!

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
1:06 pm

USinUK: ““blog sheriff” a role he begrudgingly assumes methinks. Hey Jay, wanna go get some meatloaf?”

I picture Jay as Dirty Harry, just trying to enjoy a bite of sausage in the diner while eying the suspicious car across the bank. Last thing he wants is to disrupt his meal. But if he has to he will, and we’ll see him striding down the street dispensing justice while still chewing on his food.

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
1:07 pm

JKL2, good point. The overhead for the Federal programs dwarfs even the most costly civilian charity programs.

poison pen

April 6th, 2011
1:07 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
12:56 pm
Ever since Charlie Sheen started claiming he was “winning”, its amazing the number of right wingnut posters who chose to follow Charlie down the “winning” cliff by claiming they are “winning” here….

Working for them ’bout as well as it will for Charlie’s career.

Keepup, where in God’s name do you come up with this stuff?

carlosgvv

April 6th, 2011
1:09 pm

Joe Cool

I worked once with a black woman who not only considered ebonics a language, she was working with a group making a eubonics dictionary.

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
1:10 pm

USinUK- unless you were raised on a reservation, you’re not really “part native american”

All the indians I know call themselves “Indians” Most are offended by the term “Native Americans”. That’s a PC term that has been thrusts upon them. Kind of like Rev Al saying obama really wasn’t “black” because he was never “down for the struggle.”

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
1:11 pm

Whad up, yo?

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
1:11 pm

Joe Cool at 12:48,

You’re not very well informed sir. As poison pen pointed out they tried to put Ebonics into the Detroit school system several years ago. And in my post I submitted a wikipedia entry about the same effort in Oakland, CA. several years back. If you were perhaps a little more informed you would have found out that it wasn’t so dumb if it was attempted to be entered into the cirriculum of 2 major U.S. school systems.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
1:12 pm

Now now Doom…no need to call wow a name like lib…I am sure he’ll take offense.

WOW
April 6th, 2011
10:28 am
Hey Jay, how many more times are you going to allow Midori to call me stupid, idiot etc? Just wondering. thanks

Thulsa Doom
April 6th, 2011
1:00 pm
…Typical lib you are. If you can’t beat someone you try to silence them. Next you’ll probably come up with a hush Rush bill.
_________________

Ahhh the irony

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
1:12 pm

Free WOW, now!
Free WOW, now!
Free WOW, now!

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
1:13 pm

JB and others, I’ve heard the world wide web referred to as the wild west with no sheriff.

Thank gawd, there is one on this forum. Otherwise it would be like the old Luckovich blog, which was truly an insane asylum of invective.

Lwm, LOL. I can see that too.

What a heartbreaking story about Nick Charles. This town was all the better for him being here.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/06/nick.charles.facing.death/index.html?hpt=C1

And the lovely piece of music he cited that he wants played at his funeral.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPMoOk5GzXk

Mick

April 6th, 2011
1:14 pm

Getting back to the budget, I wonder how we ever made it out of the great depression? Wasn’t roosevelt going through something similar with the repubs clamoring about the debt? He ignored them and stimulated the economy and we worked our way out. Please don’t say it was because of ww2, we are in 2.5 wars right now..

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
1:14 pm

JKL2, BMDPD: “Like the government does have layer after layer of programs doing the same thing with increasing large beaurcratic waste at every level.” / The overhead for the Federal programs dwarfs even the most costly civilian charity programs.”

Just bec. the government has some functions that overlap with those of other organizations does not mean these different institutions are identical. The overhead of the government is a quite manageable problem. I’m not worried by it.

“So your solution is for everyone to give three times as much to the government so we can get the same result”

You’re still ignoring the basic truth I pointed out, which is that there is no equivalence between the Red Cross and the government. Being that there is no such equivalence, your assertion is beside the point.

Libertarian

April 6th, 2011
1:15 pm

At least the Republicans have a backbone. Unlike St. Obama.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
1:15 pm

DAMMIT JAY!!! why is the blog monster eating my posts!!!!

Fred

April 6th, 2011
1:15 pm

Thanks Midori. You’ve convinced me to head there. Their Brunswick stew is great too.

I read about your eyes downstairs a few minutes ago. Sorry about that. Am I incorrect though in thinking i read somewhere that mascular degeneration strikes black women in a larger portion than any other demographic group?

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
1:16 pm

poison pen’s 1:07 post,

That’s too funny. Where on earth does keep up the good fight come up with right wing nuts following Charlie Sheen path?

I’m also having trouble figuring out where he comes up with this bizarre stuff.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
1:17 pm

BNDPD – free wow? well, god knows, I wouldn’t PAY for him … but free …

nah, still not worth it.

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
1:18 pm

md @ 1.04, point taken. Where you stand on the Administration’s aggressiveness on getting the ACA passed depends on where you sat, I guess.

As to that “Exploring Japan’s Recession” piece you linked earlier, I did read some decent sized chunks of it. I don’t think I’m smart enough to know if their 2002 thesis is valid or not.

It was somewhat entertaining, though, to see Paul Krugman referenced in such a dispassionate way—it reminded me that once upon a time not too long ago, he was just another somewhat popular economics columnist, not the political pundit household name he seems to be today.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
1:18 pm

jkl – I reserve “Indians” for folks who come from, you know, INDIA … but, hey, that’s just me.

Midori

April 6th, 2011
1:20 pm

Am I incorrect though in thinking i read somewhere that mascular degeneration strikes black women in a larger portion than any other demographic group?

Fred – I’ve never heard that.

Actually, I’ve never heard of mascular degeneration until I was struck down with it :(

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
1:20 pm

Mick, your historical and more importantly, military perspective needs a bit of polishing.

First, It was WW2 that began to bring us out of the Great Depression.

Second, what we are currently engaged in are not and never could be considered “war” in any comparison to WW2. Not in scope, participation, and more importantly, the ultimate goal or threat to us.

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
1:20 pm

LWM – well, I tried a few times to say that my image of Sheriff Jay is more like Tommy Lee Jones in NCFOM

(blog monster done eated my posts)

Joe Cool

April 6th, 2011
1:22 pm

“I submitted a wikipedia entry about the same effort in Oakland, CA. several years back. If you were perhaps a little more informed you would have found out that it wasn’t so dumb if it was attempted to be entered into the cirriculum of 2 major U.S. school systems.”

Dude…..ummm really? 15 Years Ago?

Which takes me back to my point which is/was, I nor you know any black people personally (in 2011) that considers it a “language’.

Keep up my friend.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
1:22 pm

My image of Sheriff Jay is more like Don Knotts in Mayberry.

Just sayin’ . . . :)

Libertarian

April 6th, 2011
1:23 pm

Jay as Dirty Harry?

HAHAHA

Adam

April 6th, 2011
1:23 pm

md: Did I strike I nerve by calling out your false equivalence statement earlier?

Dave R: I’m not saying we need to continue spending into oblivion. Both sides are offering cuts, but the GOP keeps asking for more BEFORE they agree to anything. They change where they want the magic number to be all the time and they’re basing it on just how far the Democrats are willing to go. The point is, they aren’t really willing to accept a deal, even if it cuts spending. Because of that, it’s more about the fight than it is about cutting spending.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
1:25 pm

Mick at 1:14pm,

I have an economics degree so I occasionally peruse economics books and lately it seems to me that several books have been written about economic policy regarding the depression. The consensus seems to be that Roosevelt’s economic policies were what made the depression significantly worse and that it would have been only a moderate recession if not for his policies.

If I remember correctly either the stock market which is a leading indicator or the economy itself were moving positively and showing good signs of an imminent recovery and then Roosevelt’s policies quickly reversed those gains and plummeted the country into worse shape.

Bernard Bernanke wrote his doctoral research on the depression so you might want to scan his basic thesis. Dr. Thomas Sowell also wrote a synopsis of why Roosevelt’s policies worsened the recession into a depression.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
1:27 pm

dave r

Yes, never the less, these current wars still stimulate the defense sector and of course there will be no marshall plan. Although, 9 billion in cash in iraq and other follies in that country didn’t work out too well. The point is that we can work out of these deficits in a timely manner by cuts but also letting all tax cuts expire. More revenue only makes sense…

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
1:27 pm

“Both sides are offering cuts, but the GOP keeps asking for more BEFORE they agree to anything.”

Saying that the Democrats are offering cuts is akin to saying that orange stuff you squeeze out of a can is cheese.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
1:27 pm

A society that has more justice is a society that needs less charity. ~Ralph Nader

And ex-pat, even Ebonics is preferable to Bob Eubanks. (Or is it Ewww-banks?)

Regarding the more obnoxious, amateurish would-be agent provocateurs here:

Silence is golden, so stifle thy self. ~Archie Bunker

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
1:28 pm

DAMMIT JAY!!! why is the blog monster eating my posts!!!!

Blog monster’s hungry!!!!!!!!!

:lol:

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
1:29 pm

My image of Sheriff Jay is more like Don Knotts in Mayberry.

[...]

Jay as Dirty Harry? HAHAHA

It wouldn’t be considered a personal attack to wonder out loud why the resident conserva-glibertarians here seem to completely ignore the ajc’s online conservative counterpart to Jay, would it?

Last I checked, two hours had elapsed since Kyle had posted about the judicial election in Wisconsin, and I was responsible for 20% of the posts!

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
1:30 pm

Dave R. Interesting point about WWII. What was the last war that we actually “won”. Why?

Tommy Maddox

April 6th, 2011
1:31 pm

Shame on the GOP for not passing budgets the last year or so!

Oh…wait…they weren’t in control…that can’t be right! It’s all their fault.

Please…

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
1:32 pm

What was the last war that we actually “won”. Why?

The war on common sense?? Sure seems to be MIA around here. :)

Joe Cool

April 6th, 2011
1:32 pm

“Blog monster’s hungry!!!!!!!!!”

“GET IN MY BELLY”…-(Fat Bast@rd) lol

USinUK

April 6th, 2011
1:32 pm

okay, folkses … I’m heading home … play nice!

Mick

April 6th, 2011
1:33 pm

doom

The dismal science, is of course just that. It’s funny but bernanke’s version doesn’t exactly spell out roosevelt making the depression worse. The stock market is only one indicator but labor and jobs were the problem. Roosevelt by creating the WPA and the CCC at least gave people the chance to earn a paycheck and pay taxes too. We are in a similar stretch where the stock market is doing well yet labor is losing out. Obviously, our lost manufacturing base is key, our trade policy to sum it up in one word “suks” we have under cut our own self interests…

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
1:34 pm

Thulsa Doom: ” have an economics degree so I occasionally peruse economics books and lately it seems to me that several books have been written about economic policy regarding the depression. The consensus seems to be that Roosevelt’s economic policies were what made the depression significantly worse and that it would have been only a moderate recession if not for his policies”

You speak of economics as a pristine discipline that is free of ideological conflict where wise and well-meaning people dispassionately pursue the truth. After the utter and truly appalling failure of this discipline – with a couple of rare exceptions – to foresee the crashes of 2007-8 ought to be sufficient to give this field an image haircut for at least a generation or so. You should learn to be a little more critical of disciplines as a whole than you appear to be, particularly one that is as easily made the ideological football for people who haven’t learned much from history.

As for Thomas Sowell, I can’t take a man seriously who at this very moment in history, faced with hyper-free market capitalism, haven been given its chance in the sun, completely run amok and on the ropes and the best he can come of with is a two-bit warmed over Cold War era thesis that the key conflict of our time is between free markets and European style social democracy. I mean, what the hell is that? Smacks of hackery to me.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
1:34 pm

Blog Monster

April 6th, 2011
1:37 pm

Blog Monster

April 6th, 2011
1:38 pm

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
1:38 pm

left wing- You’re still ignoring the basic truth I pointed out, which is that there is no equivalence between the Red Cross and the government

Who says there can only be one organization? Find a charity that does the work you agree needs help, and donate your time and money to them. That’s what our country was founded upon. You helping people, not the government(IT’S NOT THEIR JOB). If you want the government running everything, move to one of those third world dictatorships you liberals love so much.

Socialism is great until you run out of other people’s money.

Money Monster

April 6th, 2011
1:40 pm

“Socialism is great until you run out of other people’s money.”

They also call me the US Treasury.

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
1:41 pm

USinUK- I reserve “Indians” for folks who come from, you know, INDIA … but, hey, that’s just me.

So you agree with our comments that the vast majority of “African-Americans” would have a hard time pointing out Africa on a map?

Joe Cool

April 6th, 2011
1:41 pm

Doom,
I’m going to explain the point again which you seem to have lost in translation:

Which takes me back to my point which is/was, I nor you know any black people personally (in 2011) that considers it a “language’.

WOW stated that black people consider it a ‘language”. Not debating what the Feds considers a language.

Again, keep up my friend.

Keep up my friend.

Left wing management

April 6th, 2011
1:42 pm

JKL2: “Socialism is great until you run out of other people’s money.”

Nope. It’s either great or not great, period. Actually I think there’s much to recommend it, and obviously the wealthy Wall Street barons agree since they’ve managed to rig the system to be socialist for them, dumping capitalism on the rest of us. Well I say open it up, let’s have socialism not just for the Wall Street robber barons, but for all of us, too! What do you say, JKL2?

Paulo977

April 6th, 2011
1:42 pm

USinUK

“Indians” for folks who come from, you know, INDIA” Of course!But then ,you are an INFORMED poster !!!!!!

Paul Ryan Monster

April 6th, 2011
1:43 pm

Going to give Mr. Ryan a half day off. I’ve already devoured his major limbs. 8:32am post. How much longer before I can start chomping down again? Hungry hungry.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
1:43 pm

Without going into my resume here, I’ve done a lot of professional work in relation to the validity of dialects at variance with the standard of a given language with a focus on the dialects of Standard Southern American English. Among linguists there is a term “linguistic imperialism” which refers to the imposition of one dialect over another as “the” standard. First, the term Ebonics is a miscreant term. The term, if we are going to go there, should be Ebonish. It is not a language. It is a subdialect of English based in the Southern Dialect as spoken along the Atlantic seaboard with grammatical, syntactical, phonological and lexical influence from the Bantu languages of the Niger Basin with influences from French as spoken across the American South in the 17th and 18th Centuries as well as the Indian languages. It is a Creole speech and conforms to a set of rules. It has had a strong impact on the Southern Standard and especially in matters of rhetoric and poetic expression.

Largely escaping the impact of the immigration of a polyglot population in the rest of the Empire during the 19th Century with the concurrent simplification necessary for communication among the various groups, it developed from its own roots with a sophistication and subtlety not afforded the dialects of other parts of the Empire. This is not to claim a superiority. The Northern dialects with their straightforwardness and simplicity are well suited for commercial purposes but lacking in the abilities to refine a concept in a literary or philosophical fashion where subtleties are needed.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
1:45 pm

” Actually I think there’s much to recommend it,”

Yeah, because Socialism has worked out so well wherever it’s been tried . . .

The Dude Abides

April 6th, 2011
1:45 pm

Dude (josef nix), everybody’s language is totally bogus man. Except for mine. Don’t know why they can’t figure it out. Not that I really care. Whatever man.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
1:46 pm

“You speak of economics as a pristine discipline that is free of ideological conflict where wise and well-meaning people dispassionately pursue the truth”

Kind of like the left and man-made global warming, huh?

The Dude Abides

April 6th, 2011
1:48 pm

I need a white russian.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
1:48 pm

the dude

That’s funny, man..

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
1:48 pm

“Nope. It’s either great or not great, period. Actually I think there’s much to recommend it, and obviously the wealthy Wall Street barons agree since they’ve managed to rig the system to be socialist for them, dumping capitalism on the rest of us. Well I say open it up, let’s have socialism not just for the Wall Street robber barons, but for all of us, too! What do you say, JKL2?”

Oh look…another straw man challenge from the left. Anybody surprised?

Conservatives were outraged by the big bank and corporate bailouts, hence the creation of the Tea Party.

Try to keep up, k?

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

April 6th, 2011
1:49 pm

Let’s talk about GAS PRICES….we have plenty of oil, all we need are more refineres and to drill off the coasts and Alaska. Funny it works in Louisiana. If you want tighten the inspections so oil spills don’t just happen.

JKL2

April 6th, 2011
1:49 pm

Left wing- It’s either great or not great, period

I know you think obama is the smartest man in the history of the world, but even he can’t make socialism work. Never has worked in the history of man. Why do you feel compelled to try something that’s been proven to fail every time?

The problem with your utopia is that someone still needs to clean the toilets.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
1:50 pm

harry

Where is the ice tea party today or last week for that matter? They are irrelevant..

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
1:51 pm

“Why do you feel compelled to try something that’s been proven to fail every time?”

Because the only alternative is personal responsibility, which scares the living crap out of liberals.

Kamchak

April 6th, 2011
1:51 pm

I mean, what the hell is that? Smacks of hackery to me.

Also known as phlogiston economics.

The Dude Abides

April 6th, 2011
1:51 pm

The liberals should smoke more, and the conservatives drink more. One group would stop caring about voting, the other would be too hungover to vote. Then, the chilled out people, such as yours truly, who really know what’s going on, could just go vote and solve this whole problem.

If you want to vest your votes with me, let me know and I’ll vote on your behalf. Unless I don’t make it to the poll either.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
1:51 pm

“Where is the ice tea party today or last week for that matter? They are irrelevant..”

They didn’t seem irrelevant to me back in November, but I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion.

snoqualmiepass

April 6th, 2011
1:52 pm

And why not eliminate pay for the military?
Yahoo.com today “Budget impasss could hit troops paychecks” April 5th.
So if the Tea Party is serious about containing spending let’s stop dancing around the obvious.
And NO, my comments are not fit for some TV entertainment, they are meant to challenge people to think before putting their feet in their mouths as so many deficet absolutionsts are prone to do.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
1:53 pm

The Indian-Native American thingie…

Back several years ago one of my private elementary students, an Argentine, corrected me for using the term Indian, informing me via the curriculum his school was using, that “they want to be called Native Americans.” Unmentionable happened to be present. His answer “What do I want to be called? A man. If you are discussing me in anthropological term, it is Indigenous American. Anyone born in the Western Hemisphere is a ‘native American.’ You’re Argentine. Josef is a United Stateser. You’re both as much ‘native’ Americans as I am. Now if you want to know what I would call myself then most specificallty I am Tsa-la-gi/Chahta. But if you must, then Indian is just as good as any since it is the internationally recognized term. If you want to distinguish, then it’s East Indian for those from the Subcontinent and American Indian for those from the Western Hemisphere. And, Augie, as we Southerners say, ‘you can call me anything. Just don’t call me late for dinner.”

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
1:54 pm

Which takes me back to my point which is/was, I nor you know any black people personally (in 2011) that considers it a “language’- Joe Cool

Joe Cool,

Do you know 40 million black Americans? Sure- I doubt most of them consider ebonics a language or dialect. But I’m also certain that there are quite a few, especially in politically correct schools and universities, that do consider it a language or dialect from an Afro-centric viewpoint. And that article was 2010. You’re just mad cause you got proven wrong and now you’re trying to split hairs. Plain and simple.

Mick

April 6th, 2011
1:55 pm

**Because the only alternative is personal responsibility, which scares the living crap out of liberal**

That cuts a pretty wide swath and is no way possible to prove but I guess your opinion will just have to do…

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
1:55 pm

Dude

C’est bon! And hit don’t make me no nevermind!

The Dude Abides

April 6th, 2011
1:55 pm

It’s so hard to find a good white russian these days….

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
1:56 pm

“Where is the ice tea party today or last week for that matter? They are irrelevant..”

Maybe you should call the 63 Democrats who lost their house seats and get a second opinion on that.

The Dude Abides

April 6th, 2011
1:57 pm

“**Because the only alternative is personal responsibility, which scares the living crap out of liberal**”

Personal responsibility is HIGHly over-rated.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
1:57 pm

Josef Nix,

And if you’ve traveled throughout Central or South America you know how miffed they get when we say we are from America as if we are the only Americans. The proper term is to say los Estados Unidos or Norte Americano. I usually just say north American when I’m down there.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
1:57 pm

“And NO, my comments are not fit for some TV entertainment, they are meant to challenge people to think before putting their feet in their mouths as so many deficet absolutionsts are prone to do.”

And yet your comments fail on both counts . . .

The source for most Yahoo news items is – wait for it – AP, who is in the tank with the Dems. Nice try though. Unfortunately for you, the rest of us actually consider the source before posting.

1811/1801 - 0311/0317

April 6th, 2011
1:58 pm

A “blog sheriff” should always have solid probable cause before making an arrest and eviction.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
1:58 pm

“The stock market is only one indicator but labor and jobs were the problem. Roosevelt by creating the WPA and the CCC at least gave people the chance to earn a paycheck and pay taxes too. We are in a similar stretch where the stock market is doing well yet labor is losing out. Obviously, our lost manufacturing base is key, our trade policy to sum it up in one word “suks” we have under cut our own self interests…”

That cuts a pretty wide swath and is no way possible to prove but I guess your opinion will just have to do…

Ricky Bobby's Dad

April 6th, 2011
2:00 pm

Hell, you can be north american, el american del nordido, Mexican, American, Canadian, Inuit. But if you ain’t first, you’re last.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
2:00 pm

“And, Augie, as we Southerners say, ‘you can call me anything. Just don’t call me late for dinner.”

You can call me a Goofie Newfie, as I come from good Newfoundland stock!

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
2:00 pm

““Where is the ice tea party today or last week for that matter? They are irrelevant..”

That’s what Nancy Pelosi said too, but then she had to start flying coach…

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
2:01 pm

““Where is the ice tea party today or last week for that matter? They are irrelevant..”

That’s what I kept hearing in the liberal mainstream mdia, right up to the point where the Democrats lost the Kennedy senate seat…

Ricky Bobby's Dad

April 6th, 2011
2:02 pm

Liberals are like my damn son. They just won’t get in the car with the cougar. Hell, how you gonna drive without being calm enough to survive the cougar?

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
2:03 pm

“Liberals are like my damn son. They just won’t get in the car with the cougar.”

If you had ever been in Ted Kennedy’s car, you wouldn’t get in their either.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
2:07 pm

Left Wing Management

I find it difficult to believe that you dismiss Dr. Thomas Sowell as uncredible but yet last night you raved on and on about the teachings and writings of Karl Marx as if you have a man crush on him.

Communism has been proven a failure. Seriously. How much proof do you need? North Korea? The former USSR. Cuba and China which have opened up their economies?

And yet you still idologize Karl Marx and dismiss Dr. Sowell. Your speaking from a point of absolute bias and belief in a failed system and a failed theory. And THAT is what is lacking in credibility.

Ricky Bobby's Dad

April 6th, 2011
2:07 pm

HC – I put a kilo of Colombian bam-bam underneath Nancy’s car! Don’t think it’ll do any good though.

Reminds me, gotta get my Winnie ready for Talladega.

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
2:08 pm

GOP = Party of NO…………………..

…..such thing as a free government lunch! Get off your liberal @$$ and get a job!

@@

April 6th, 2011
2:10 pm

When a person’s got stuff to do, they’re always lagging behind. When not, they’re always here.

Anyhoo…kids will ALWAYS joke about sex because it’s something they don’t understand and that makes them nervous – so they have to put on a big show. ’twas ever thus.

USinUK

I disagree! My daughter understands it and she wasn’t the one getting busy on the picnic tables OR making light of it in class. The ones who joke about it see it as a right of passage ’cause people like you tell them it is. They think they know more than the instructor.

Question for jay?

Doom, for the record, I think I’m the blog sheriff too.

So does my employer. And I can be effective at it if need be.

How do you feel about your self-appointed deputies who tend to grate on my last nerve. They seem to think you’re pretty reliable in following thru on their directives. A bit too confident?

Adam

April 6th, 2011
2:10 pm

Dave R: Saying that the Democrats are offering cuts is akin to saying that orange stuff you squeeze out of a can is cheese.

And as long as attitudes like that prevail, it lends more fuel to the fire of just asking for more than is being offered instead of reaching an agreement. Which is not negotiating in good faith, which goes right back to my original point. I see that the real problem here is that you think there are no cuts being offered by Democrats. I hate to see you have no concept reality here. Really, I do.

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
2:11 pm

I am sincerely sorry about my last post….

I left off “Quit blaming everyone else for your situation”. It should have been placed before my “Get off your…” statement.

Once again, my apologies.

Adam

April 6th, 2011
2:12 pm

I’ve seen a couple of labels on liberals here. I would just like to say that I am a liberal, and also have personal responsibility, and also date cougars primarily. So I’m not sure what the point you’re trying to make is.

Joe Cool

April 6th, 2011
2:13 pm

“Do you know 40 million black Americans? ”
YES :-)

“But I’m also certain that there are quite a few, especially in politically correct schools and universities, that do consider it a language or dialect from an Afro-centric viewpoint. ”

You know what happens when you ASSUME dont you Doom.

I have no reason to be mad boo, I clearly stated my point in objection to WOWs claim.
Now scurry along and go find that that lady Misty Fyed speaks of:

“I went to the grocery store. I got in line behind a nicely dressed woman, fully manicured nails, designer purse, talking on her i’phone 4. I watched in amazement as she paid with her EBT card and then got into her Cadillac and left.

^Maybe she can be your case study to say you know “1″ ..lol

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
2:13 pm

DAVE

A Newfie? Ibawstardja!

Thulsa

I use the term estadounidense.for myself..when I don’t so “gringo!” I also use the term sureño when I want to get that distinction in…i.e., I’m not a yanqui!

@@

April 6th, 2011
2:14 pm

Adam’s a Mama’s boy!!??!!

Sorry! Couldn’t resist.

Ricky Bobby's Dad

April 6th, 2011
2:14 pm

Adam 2:12 – I think we may have found your problem. You don’t date a cougar. You ride with a cougar. Some people do other things with a cougar. But dating is not one of them.

carlosgvv

April 6th, 2011
2:15 pm

Thulsa Doom

It is true that Communism and Socialism have proven to be failures. Unfortunately, predatory Capitalism as is now being practiced in America is doing little better. Under Communism and Socialism, the priviledged few did well. In American, more and more, the priviledged few are the only ones doing really well.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
2:16 pm

“I see that the real problem here is that you think there are no cuts being offered by Democrats.”

Reading comprehension is once again your friend, Adam. Try it sometime. I feel like a baseball bat to your baby harp seal.

My analogy (I know, a big word for you but try to keep up) pointed out that what you might get out of that can could be called cheese, but is certainly not of a high quality.

Ergo (another fancy word), what we see as cuts from the Dems might be considered cuts, but they certainly do not do anything serious towards cutting spending in any meaningful way.

Adam

April 6th, 2011
2:16 pm

@@, Ricky Bobby: I tend to date people who are older than I am. Mostly because other people my age seem to have not grown up yet. How is this a problem exactly?

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
2:17 pm

” and also date cougars primarily.”

I’ve heard cougars like ‘em young and dumb . . . ;)

Adam

April 6th, 2011
2:18 pm

Dave R: Neither side has a serious plan. $60 billion isn’t effective at cutting the deficit. Neither is $100 billion. So it really doesn’t matter. Talking in the billions is chump change. A serious cut would be $1 Trillion. Neither side is offering that. So your criticism can be applied to both parties, unless you’d like to admit that what you really want is the plan that cuts more, even if both plans don’t even touch the interest on the debt.

@@

April 6th, 2011
2:18 pm

In regards to ebonics as a language. You folks may want to check out Oakland, CA. Their school board declared it to be just that. Don’t know where it went after that though.

The Oakland, Cal., School Board unanimously passed a resolution declaring Ebonics to be the “genetically-based” language of its African American students, not a dialect of English.

Ricky Bobby's Dad

April 6th, 2011
2:19 pm

Adam. Son. Oh hell.

Disgusted

April 6th, 2011
2:19 pm

Let’s be clear about these Republican demands for budget cuts. It has little to do with the amount. They want to direct where these cuts are to occur. The targets are Planned Parenthood, EPA, NPR, the health care law, and Medicaid. The Democrats could offer the Republicans twice the amount of total cuts demanded, and if it didn’t include these enemies of the GOP, the offer would be deemed unacceptable.

In other words, these GOP demands are more about ideology than substantive cuts. Even if the cuts came to a full $100 billion a year, they would still amount to a drop in the bucket.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
2:20 pm

“A serious cut would be $1 Trillion. Neither side is offering that.”

Missed the news yesterday, I take it?

Adam

April 6th, 2011
2:20 pm

Disgusted: Even if the cuts came to a full $100 billion a year, they would still amount to a drop in the bucket.

BINGO

Adam

April 6th, 2011
2:20 pm

Dave R: If the GOP is offering a plan that actually cuts $1 Trillion in a single year off the current budget, then yes I missed that bit of news.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
2:21 pm

“In other words, these GOP demands are more about ideology than substantive cuts.”

Actually, they are about both ideology and substantive cuts for 2011.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
2:21 pm

DAVE

Got an ergo problem, do ye?

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
2:21 pm

Thulsa Doom

It is true that Communism and Socialism have proven to be failures.

these are strange things to hear asserted.

Two countries continue to call themselves “Communist”–China, and Vietnam–and whatever you may think of them, both are quite viable.

Another country, India, espouses socialist principles in its constitution. It too is not exactly on the verge of collapse.

And if you want to define “socialist” the way silly American right wing extremists tend to do, that’d apply to most of Europe and a lot of Asia. Again, aside from some fiscal difficulties among some of these nations, most are doing just fine, and are not on the verge of being annexed by their neighbors or having their governments toppled from within.

So, I am going to judge this statement Pants-on-Fire [insert flaming politifact graphic here]

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
2:22 pm

” Mostly because other people my age seem to have not grown up yet.”

Easily the funniest post on this blog in over a month, because your posts indicate the intellect of a pre-teen…

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
2:22 pm

stands for decibels should move to China, Vietnam, or India.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
2:23 pm

@@

Which is why I went through the ceiling over that as3inine “decision.” Genetically based? Oy, how disparaging of a valid dialect can you get?

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
2:23 pm

“Got an ergo problem, do ye?”

One of my many problems, josef.

But let’s face it. How many blogs are you going to be a part of where someone uses the term “ergo” and does so in a correct context? ;)

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
2:24 pm

“In American, more and more, the priviledged few are the only ones doing really well.”

Not true, but we appreciate the regurgitation of your liberal talking points nontheless…

@@

April 6th, 2011
2:25 pm

Adam:

It’s not a problem for you. In my opinion, it’s your “Mamas” that have the problem.

My daughter’s boyfriend is living with a guy who’s financially supported by a Cougar. He’s in his late 20s…she’s 60. I’m thinking both must be desperate. I asked my daughter if she looked younger. She answered with a vehement “NO!” followed by “She looks like she’s been blah blah blah and put up wet.”

ewwwww

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
2:25 pm

Harry

I don’t always agree with Adam, but he’s a bright young man.

Bud Wiser

April 6th, 2011
2:25 pm

How sad and how sick you are, little bookman.

Also, how soon you forget famous quotes like this one: “President Obama listened to Republican gripes about his stimulus package during a meeting with congressional leaders Friday morning – but he also left no doubt about who’s in charge of these negotiations. “I won,” Obama noted matter-of-factly, according to sources familiar with the conversation.

Well, repugs took the House last fall, and their supporters want something done.

As a matter of perspective, it is now Obama and his minions having their canteen pi**ed in, and its different for you losers, isn’t it?

Adam

April 6th, 2011
2:25 pm

Harry: Easily the funniest post on this blog in over a month, because your posts indicate the intellect of a pre-teen…

How do you figure, Harry? Because you disagree?

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
2:26 pm

“Under Communism and Socialism, the priviledged few did well. In American, more and more, the priviledged few are the only ones doing really well.”

Or maybe the priveleged few are the only ones smart enough to avoid huge mortgages and live within their means…

Adam

April 6th, 2011
2:26 pm

@@: Well, maybe they do have a problem. But if it’s financially based (support the youngun) they don’t have to worry about that.

md

April 6th, 2011
2:26 pm

Nerve Adam…….hardly. Merely pointing out the hilarity of your predictable post. Coming on here and declaring others are following a ’script” while you proceeded to follow the same script you always follow……….

And now you come out with some bs about neither party offering any real remedy while earlier it was only the fault of one…………

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
2:26 pm

Carlosgvv,

I disagree. If there was predatory capitalism here in the U.S. it was long ago when miners, steel workers, etc. were abused by robber barons. 100 years ago I would have been a Democrat and a big labor union advocate. Things are different in today’s economy. Its more dynamic- competitive. No single entity can just take over and dominate a whole industry or run over miners or employees like earlier last century. Microsoft could be the lone exception and even then you got linux, apple.

In this economy a google can come out of nowhere in a few short years. There really aren’t any huge capitalists that can just run roughshod over people and get away with it like they did miners in the old days or agricultural workers in the grapes of wrath or meatpacking plants in the book the jungle or cannery workers like in a Steinbeck novel.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
2:27 pm

“How do you figure, Harry? Because you disagree?”

No. Because your posts indicate regurgitation of liberal talkng points and little thinking on your own.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
2:27 pm

Dave

ipso facto…

snoqualmiepass

April 6th, 2011
2:27 pm

Discrediting sources, my oh my. Let’s debate the merits of the case in point. Sorry my Southern friend, I don’t cotton to FAUX, Daily World Net or any Farah or Murdoch publication. It always amazes me when someone discredits a middle of the road news service… maybe that’s why my news content revolves around such stellar papers as the Anchorage Daily, Seattle Times, the Oregonian, LA Times, Arizona Central, Vancouver Sun, Haaretz, Peking Review, Moscow Times. My world does not revolve around Southern papers, Southern opinions or Southern culture, I have enough Confederate relatives to give me that perspective… as I explain to them, the above reasons are why I would never, ever consider living in the old Confederacy, even after an offer of a free house so I could live close to them.

Adam

April 6th, 2011
2:27 pm

Or maybe the priveleged few are the only ones RICH enough to avoid huge mortgages and live within their means… (because they BUY THEIR HOUSES OUTRIGHT)

Fixed your typo Harry

Adam

April 6th, 2011
2:29 pm

md: There’s no conflict. Neither party is offering a plan that seriously cuts into the deficit. But one party keeps changing their demands, and perpetually not agreeing to anything. That’s a different thing then saying it doesn’t matter which plan we choose. Instead, it’s effectively saying there will be no choice made because one side absolutely will not agree to anything.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
2:30 pm

But don’t feel bad, Adam, there are plenty of grown and/or senior-citizen liberals who have never had an original thought either.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
2:30 pm

snoqualmie

So…you live with that pack of Carolinians? Heh, heh…thass funny!

Common Sense isn't very Common

April 6th, 2011
2:30 pm

Gee, maybe the US can develop a ‘Chinese like’ economy.

Oh wait, we have.

:-)

Adam

April 6th, 2011
2:30 pm

Harry: Even you know that is not true.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
2:31 pm

No, that would be discrediting sources and patently false conclusions.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
2:31 pm

Joe Cool at 2:13,

No reason to ASSume Joe. I provided hard evidence of the DEA among others who do consider ebonics a dialect or language. There is even an urbandictionary.com for ebonics. Think what you will. The facts are otherwise.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
2:32 pm

“Or maybe the priveleged few are the only ones RICH enough to avoid huge mortgages and live within their means… (because they BUY THEIR HOUSES OUTRIGHT)

Fixed your typo Harry”

It was not a typo junior. Many middle class people buy modest homes, have modest mortgages, and pay their homes off. I own my home free and clear, as does my sister, my parents, my in-laws, etc, etc.

They are all conservatives, by the way. Are you detecting a trend here?

Joe Cool

April 6th, 2011
2:32 pm

Glenn Beck’s Fox show dropped:

NEW YORK – Fox News Channel on Wednesday said it was dropping Glenn Beck’s afternoon talk show, which has sunk in the ratings and suffered financially due to an advertiser boycott.

Fox and Beck said the show will end later this year.

Whatever will you Cons do now? No more “Barney songs was made to indoctinate kids by Soros and Obama” theories????

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
2:32 pm

josef, sometimes I wonder when I use the phrase “to wit”, if one of the half-wits here is gonna take umbrage!

stands, not to mention that our system has always had a very large element of socialism imbued in it.

(But, shhhh. it’s a big left-wing secret!)

Welcome to the age of banksters and ersatz Wall Street capitalism, where “losses” are socialized and profits, even if they never really existed, are privatized…

getalife

April 6th, 2011
2:33 pm

“No. Because your posts indicate regurgitation of liberal talkng points and little thinking on your own.”

Insult.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
2:34 pm

“It was not a typo junior.”

Insult.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
2:34 pm

“I don’t always agree with Adam, but he’s a bright young man.”

If true, he will eventually outgrow liberalism.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
2:35 pm

“Whatever will you Cons do now? No more “Barney songs was made to indoctinate kids by Soros and Obama” theories????”

Same thing you did when Keith Olbermann got fired…

md

April 6th, 2011
2:35 pm

“Or maybe the priveleged few are the only ones RICH enough to avoid huge mortgages and live within their means…”

There are houses out there under 100k………it can be done if one chooses to live within their means vs keeping up with the Jone’s. Too many choose the later………

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
2:36 pm

So, what has the Grand Old Koch Party been up to today. Have they managed to introduce any new bills to give their Koch bosses more tax breaks or fewer regulations. They better get busy. The Koch brothers bought and paid for the GOP with their hard-earned cash and they’ll be wanting to see some results, some more old and poor people thrown under their buses.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
2:37 pm

Harry

I don’t know…I’m an old f*rt, too, and I haven’t….

AmVet

When I see you use “to wit” I just assume it’s addressed to SoCo!

getalife

April 6th, 2011
2:37 pm

About beck.

About time.

md

April 6th, 2011
2:38 pm

“But one party keeps changing their demands, and perpetually not agreeing to anything.”

Merely a talking point from what I’ve read…….the number has always been 100 billion and come down from there. And the other “side” started off with a whopping 6.

Neither will do much to fix the problem, but the measly number offered by one side is just pathetic.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
2:38 pm

“Same thing you did when Keith Olbermann got fired…”

Harry, I’m NOT going to sit in a corner and suck my thumb just because Glenn Beck is ending his show! ;)

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
2:38 pm

Beck-Olbermann–both silly, pompous twits imho…

jm

April 6th, 2011
2:39 pm

for those looking to get their $ out of the country, RBC is very handy dandy. and friendly service

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
2:39 pm

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
2:21 pm
Thulsa Doom

It is true that Communism and Socialism have proven to be failures.

these are strange things to hear asserted.

Two countries continue to call themselves “Communist”–China, and Vietnam–and whatever you may think of them, both are quite viable.

Another country, India, espouses socialist principles in its constitution. It too is not exactly on the verge of collapse.

stands for decibels,

I have to disagree and here’s why. China and Vietnam tried full blown communism. It didn’t work and they had to liberalize their economies and open them up to free market reform. They are still communist politically but economically they sure have opened things up quite a bit and are moving more and more towards free market economies.

India still socialist? True. But if you’ve been reading about India lately then you’ve seen where the business and entreprenuerial class has been pressuring the govt to open up and enact reforms. They could grow even faster if the Indian govt wasn’t stifling reform. And if you ask India’s massive numbers of poor people ekeing out a day to day existence I doubt they believe they have fared well under socialism.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
2:39 pm

“Welcome to the age of banksters and ersatz Wall Street capitalism, where “losses” are socialized and profits, even if they never really existed, are privatized…”

(sigh)

True conservatives hated the taxpayer-funded corporate bailouts (hence the birth of the tea party) and it’s YOUR guy Obama who has doubled-down on the corporate bailouts (GM, CHrysler, etc)…

But then you knew that already, and were just choosing to dangle a red herring into the mix…

Adam

April 6th, 2011
2:39 pm

Dave R: No, that would be discrediting sources and patently false conclusions.

Pot, meet kettle.

md, Harry: Only the rich are rich enough to buy their homes outright, even if deciding on 100k homes.

As for conservatives Harry, I know plenty of liberals who also live within their means. Painting liberals with the same brush gets you nowhere. And if I do happen to sound like a talking point on occasion, will you never consider there might be a grain of truth to what I am saying?

Adam

April 6th, 2011
2:40 pm

Harry: Also I’ll “outgrow liberalism” once I lose all compassion for those less fortunate. Or when your party starts embracing the less fortunate and gets out of crazy town.

Common Sense isn't very Common

April 6th, 2011
2:42 pm

jm@2:39 pm
for those looking to get their $ out of the country, RBC is very handy dandy. and friendly service
—————————
Might want to hurry as it is rumored that RBC will be pulling out of the US.

They have already started outsourcing their ENTIRE I/T dept to India.

@@

April 6th, 2011
2:42 pm

Adam:

But if it’s financially based (support the youngun) they don’t have to worry about that.

Not sure what you mean. Money trumps maternal instinct? The call to “nature” beats the call to nurture? I’m sure pedophiles think the same way.

Whatever, dude. There’s something just not right about it.

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
2:42 pm

Josef “Unmentionable happened to be present”

Just out of curiosity, what does Unmentionable think of the Canadian “First Nation”?

Granny Godzilla

April 6th, 2011
2:43 pm

Thulsa

Glad to see ya’…..the other day you posted:

Thulsa Doom
April 5th, 2011
4:29 pm
Granny,
Nobody makes someone else homeless, hungry, etc.
People make themselves homeless, hungry, etc. by virtue of their own life choices.
Try again Granny since you still have problems making a logical point.

Got your logic right here!

Sounds kinda sorta like some other fine man who gave his life for “us” many…..

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
2:43 pm

Adam, a word of advice.

Don’t insert yourself into another person’s exchanges without knowing what was being said and the context in which it was said.

It goes a long way towards disproving josef’s assessment of your intellectual abilities (which, as you know, I do not share).

Adam

April 6th, 2011
2:43 pm

@@: I guess you’re imagining a larger age gap than the one I’m actually describing. I’m talking 6-10 years difference.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
2:44 pm

“Or when your party starts embracing the less fortunate ”

There’s your sign . . .

md

April 6th, 2011
2:45 pm

“Or maybe the priveleged few are the only ones RICH enough to avoid huge mortgages and live within their means…”

Maybe you can give us your definition of “huge”……….

Adam

April 6th, 2011
2:45 pm

Dave R: It goes a long way towards disproving josef’s assessment of your intellectual abilities (which, as you know, I do not share).

I am not trying to prove anything to you. As you already have your mind made up about this and many other things, there’s no point. But I will call you on your bullsh*t if I feel like it.

Adam

April 6th, 2011
2:46 pm

md: You’ll have to ask Harry. I was just fixing his typo.

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
2:46 pm

I heard Ireland is a great place to park your money.

Adam

April 6th, 2011
2:46 pm

See you all on the flip side! Gotta run errands today!

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
2:47 pm

Doggone

He’s not opposed. He prefers the term to “tribe.”

jm

April 6th, 2011
2:47 pm

Common Sense – I just want the canadian bank account. don’t care where their IT is

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
2:48 pm

Taxpayer,

Speaking of the Koch Brothers what’s George Soros up to these days? I guess same ole same ole-he must still be backing left wing hate sites and hurting poor people worldwide in efforts to destroy the currencies of small nations all in the name of making money.

md

April 6th, 2011
2:48 pm

Less Fortunate:

There are “can’ts” and “won’ts”, and the “can’ts” would give anything in the world to trade places with the “won’ts”………………..

getalife

April 6th, 2011
2:49 pm

The cons and the gop have moved all the way right out of the American main stream and they are not coming back. They are the radical right that fights for billionaires.Out of control and out of their minds.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
2:49 pm

DAVE

You be nice to Adam. I think you may just suffer from “youth envy!” :-)

jm

April 6th, 2011
2:50 pm

Jay will throw a conniption fit about this….
——————
Yesterday Labor Commissioner Mark Butler went on WABE to say he
opposes extending unemployment benefits for hard working Georgians!

We need to respond loudly to tell the leadership he is WRONG and that the only smart policy choice for Georgia is to continue to accept these $175 Million federally funded extended benefits for the long term unemployed through 2011.

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
2:50 pm

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
2:50 pm

if you ask India’s massive numbers of poor people ekeing out a day to day existence I doubt they believe they have fared well under socialism.

Maybe, although I seriously doubt many would care for an even lousier safety net than India provides already for their less fortunate.

But that said, your point is fine as far as it goes. My larger point is that what we think of as “socialist” in these discussions about American policy–universal health care, a living wage for workers, etc.–is the sort of thing that most countries already have and take for granted. and that the overtly “communist” and “socialist” countries are not failures; they are, of course, adapting their economic policies to current realities, as are we, and every other viable nation.

(Now if you want a truly failed economic model, try libertarianism. See also: Modern day Somalia, & pre-NATO occupation Afghanistan. I guess I could boldly assert that “libertariansm has been a failure wherever it’s been tried.” But that’d be kind of obnoxious.)

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
2:50 pm

Granny Godzilla at 2:43 pm. Are you still trying to make sense? You’re failing miserably at it.

jm

April 6th, 2011
2:51 pm

Question for the peanut gallery: How exactly can the unemployed, technically, currently, also be “hard working”?

“unemployment benefits for hard working Georgians”

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
2:51 pm

Adam: Neither party is offering a plan that seriously cuts into the deficit.
———————–

Wrong. Ryan’s plan cuts $5.8 trillion out of the Idiot Messiah’s $9.5 trillion in deficits over ten years (CBO estimate).

md

April 6th, 2011
2:51 pm

“American main stream”……….what an interesting concept…….and as far as I can tell, neither of the big 2 represents that group……………..

Doggone/GA

April 6th, 2011
2:51 pm

“I don’t know…I’m an old f*rt, too, and I haven’t”

Me either.

Cue: Harry’s come back “then you aren’t very smart”

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
2:52 pm

“But I will call you on your bullsh*t if I feel like it.”

Feel free to be wrong as many times as you like. :P

Common Sense isn't very Common

April 6th, 2011
2:53 pm

Jm – RBC’s canadian market has done well. Their American bank mergers have hurt their bottom line.

They are well run in general.

BTW How is the homeless guy these days?

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
2:53 pm

True conservatives?

They are exactly like aliens.

I do not discount the possibility, but there is no proof whatsoever that they exist.

Or maybe a better analogy is the dodo bird. Which is now extinct.

Unless that horrifically misused word means “true conservative” like Paul Ryan.

Oops! He voted for TARP AND the auto bailouts! Scratch that.

Silly fake GOP conservatives posing as the real things. They try to desperately delude themselves that no one will notice.

Try this exercise for a few weeks, you fake conservatives.

Every time you are inclined to refer to yourself as a conservative (chuckle), simply replace it with the word “corporatist”.

You’ll see. It works much better…

jm

April 6th, 2011
2:53 pm

Isn’t it illegal for “hard working Georgians” to also be collecting unemployment benefits?

Granny Godzilla

April 6th, 2011
2:54 pm

Thulsa

I suspected it to go over your head, but I had to try.

Such a pity, such a waste….

getalife

April 6th, 2011
2:55 pm

“Granny Godzilla at 2:43 pm. Are you still trying to make sense? You’re failing miserably at it.”

Insult.

jm

April 6th, 2011
2:55 pm

Common Sense – he’s got a job. That’s good. He needs a bank account and I tried to help him get one but he wanted to use some bank he knew (fine, understandable), but he was a no show at the bank. Long story. I need to follow up with him, to be perfectly honest. It’s been a few weeks.

Fred

April 6th, 2011
2:56 pm

Perhaps so Josef, but I doubt it’s youth envy. Since neither of them think for themselves and can not entertain another point of view they cast Adam in the same light. Like you, I find him to be thoughtful and bright. Even when I don’t agree with him I can usually see where he is coming from and he DOES think about other points of view. Well other points of view that aren’t just sound bites, those need no thought, but points of view where there is logic to apply.

It’s nice to be reminded that not ALL of the younger generation are complete narcissistic brain dead oxygen thieves. It even gives hope that there are more concerned young pups out there like Adam who are willing to evaluate and learn.

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
2:56 pm

Ryan’s plan cuts $5.8 trillion out of [President Obama's]$9.5 trillion in deficits over ten years

and here’s how Ryan accomplishes it, via SS swipes and suchlike.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
2:57 pm

stands for decibels,

Come on now lets not be ridiculous. Somalia and pre-war Afgha were tribal nations- not libertarian societies. Somalia was also devastated going all the way back to the war with Ethiopia and has also suffered long running droughts.

jm

April 6th, 2011
2:58 pm

The dems are good at data mining. But apparently there are a few gaps. Just got this email. Hint: I’m a guy.

“The Georgia Federation of Democratic Women invite you to share your inner “Diva” at their Spring meeting!”

getalife

April 6th, 2011
2:59 pm

I am not sure what they will do with the radical right of cons.

They think they can get their way when half the country does not agree with them and think they are insane.

You can’t reason with them with facts.

They ignore facts and will never admit their failures.

Josef,

You deal with children.

Any ideas?

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
2:59 pm

Granny Godzilla,

I got it. I just chose to ignore it. I see that you just couldn’t go a day without ignoring me. You copied and pasted that from yesterday. I must be renting a lot of space inside your head these days.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
2:59 pm

stands for decibels: and here’s how Ryan accomplishes it
——————-

Do tell how the Democrats accomplish it. Oops, they don’t even try.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
3:00 pm

As for conservatives Harry, I know plenty of liberals who also live within their means. Painting liberals with the same brush gets you nowhere.

However, painting liberals with the same brush appears to score “cool points” with other pseudo-conservative ranters here. The same goes on with the left. I just wish both sides would meet on the 50-yard line, and throttle the sh*t out of each other. Maybe we could then get past the f’n 3rd grade level mumbo jumbo, act like grown ups and straighten this damned country out for once.

Common Sense isn't very Common

April 6th, 2011
3:00 pm

Isn’t it illegal for “hard working Georgians” to also be collecting unemployment benefits?

———————————
Previously ‘hard working’ maybe.
or
‘hard at work’ looking for a decent paying job?
etc.

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
3:00 pm

sfd, what is your plan to cut the budget? We all know (Heck even the liberal media will admit) entitlement spending is a huge drain on our economy! What is your plan?, but wait, it has to be fair. Yes, Ryan lowered taxes, but he also eliminates some loopholes. Has that been addressed, will it cause a net gain or loss?

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
3:01 pm

“They think they can get their way when half the country does not agree with them and think they are insane.

You can’t reason with them with facts.

They ignore facts and will never admit their failures.

Please check reflection in mirror.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
3:02 pm

You know it is the truth dave.

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
3:03 pm

Somalia and pre-war Afgha were tribal nations- not libertarian societies.

eh, they were every bit as “libertarian” as any of the SSRs were “Communist”, at least as I understood Communism to mean from my dimly-recalled reading of Marx’ Manifesto.

But let’s not call them “libertarian.” Let’s call them “well-armed” instead. That’s a whole less contentious ’round these parts, right?

/sarc

Fred

April 6th, 2011
3:03 pm

SoCo? Are you drunk or on something? (referencing your 3:00) They are accomplishing what they WANT to accomplish. Unfortunately straightening out the Country is not their goal. Being in “POWER” is.

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
3:03 pm

sfd, what is your plan to cut the budget?

I think I’ve made it clear that I don’t want to cut spending now, and that the Administration is foolish for claiming to want to do so.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:04 pm

“md, Harry: Only the rich are rich enough to buy their homes outright, even if deciding on 100k homes. ”

I didn’t say buy homes outright, I said don’t take on a
huge house and/or huge mortgage. And, by the time you’re getting into your 40’s, if you don’t have $100,000 set aside somewhere, you’re in jeopardy of living on nothing but Social security, i.e. living in a trailer and eating beans and rice.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
3:04 pm

It’s nice to be reminded that not ALL of the younger generation are complete narcissistic brain dead oxygen thieves.

Well damn Fred. Just tell me what you really think about me. :)

Normal

April 6th, 2011
3:04 pm

Well, well, well…16 pages and we are still friends(?) I see.

Heh, heh…I bet if Jay put up a favorite Disney movie blog, the Right would accuse the Left of loving Fantasia and the Left would accuse the Right of loving Narnia…

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:05 pm

“Granny Godzilla at 2:43 pm. Are you still trying to make sense? You’re failing miserably at it.”

Why should today be different from any other day?

jm

April 6th, 2011
3:05 pm

SoCo 3:00 – “Harry former boxer Reid”, not allowed in the fight. For that matter, Pelosi’s nails are probably dangerous too.

How about just a tug-of-war instead.

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
3:05 pm

Ryans Road Kill Plan manages to reduce the national debt from 14.0 trillion to 13.9 trillion over ten years by throwing millions of poor, disabled and elderly under their buses. There are your compassionate conservatives. The very same ones that balked at giving up their charitable contribution tax deduction here in Georgia in exchange for a lower corporate tax rate. Their charity does come with a price tag after all.

Normal

April 6th, 2011
3:05 pm

SoCo, you ain’t the younger generation any more… :)

Common Sense isn't very Common

April 6th, 2011
3:05 pm

SoCo – or duel in 6 ft of water with sledgehammers. LOL

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
3:06 pm

Fred

I just want them to choke the sh*t out of each other so both fringes will be out of the way. Then the grown ups can do what needs to be done. Once they throttle each other, I’m expecting very low survival rates. :)

getalife

April 6th, 2011
3:06 pm

That is is hilarious Normal.

And true.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
3:07 pm

Southern Comfort (aka The Man): Maybe we could then get past the f’n 3rd grade level mumbo jumbo, act like grown ups and straighten this damned country out for once.
——————

What’s to straighten out? The recession ended nearly two years ago. Guantanamo’s been closed for fifteen months. We’ll soon be out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Jobs are on the rise. SS and Medicare aren’t broke. Taxes on the rich will be going up in two years. “The world” loves and respects us again. We’re on a path to energy independence. Sea levels are dropping. Test scores are rising.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
3:07 pm

“You know it is the truth dave.”

Actually, no, I don’t see that as a reality, getalife.

The only reality I see is that you will make absolutely inane, ridiculous, factually bereft comments about “cons” no matter what the subject. You are a walking joke to those who want serious discussions on any topic Jay posts.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:07 pm

“Harry: Also I’ll “outgrow liberalism” once I lose all compassion for those less fortunate. Or when your party starts embracing the less fortunate and gets out of crazy town.”

I’m a conservative Adam, and I have compassion for those “less fortunate.” I donate freely both my time and my money to help others.

It’s called personal responsibility Adam…if you truly care for others, you help them yourself…you don’t vote to make government force the top 10% to do it all.

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
3:08 pm

Harry, not if the libs can help it. Your poor choices are someone else’s fault. It must be the conservatives or the corporation’s fault. Yes, because of corporate american and those D@ng conservatives, I bought more house than I can afford. Man, I hate those guys. Also, if it weren’t for them I wouldn’t have ran up my credit card on the big screen TV. Finally, those guys made me buy that Escalade instead of that Civic I was thinking about. MAN, I HATE CORPORATE AMERICA and Conservatives!

larry

April 6th, 2011
3:08 pm

No , Normal , it would be” Disney was a communist , socialist , marxist loving pig” vs. Disney’s a war mongerier.

Y’all do know there is a Facebook page for Paul Ryan. Its called” Paul Ryan is bananas” .
Sounds about right.

Common Sense isn't very Common

April 6th, 2011
3:08 pm

Normal

April 6th, 2011
3:04 pm
Well, well, well…16 pages and we are still friends(?) I see.

Heh, heh…I bet if Jay put up a favorite Disney movie blog, the Right would accuse the Left of loving Fantasia and the Left would accuse the Right of loving Narnia…

——————————–

Fantasia looked huge on American Idol

LMAO

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
3:08 pm

jm, that’s funny.

Hell man, forward that invite on to me.

In a room full of fine southern liberal ladies, maybe I can find my inner diva!

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
3:08 pm

stands for decibels,

You can make an argument that Sweden, Switzerland, and Norway are successful socialist states. But all 3 are very small population and largely homogenous countries with built in advantages.

Switzerland has long had in place a profitable banking industry and an obscenely low corporate tax rate- lots of U.S. companies hiding profits there. You would think we would learn on the corporate tax rate thing yet we don’t. They also rake in a lot from tourism.

Norway- they benefit hugely from a stockpile of North Sea oil drilling which disproportionately helps their small population.

Sweden- small population also and they make good money from tourism- we all want to go there and see all the tall, hot, statuesque blonde women. Don’t lie. I know ya do.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
3:08 pm

TaxPayer

The Democrat Destroy America Plan manages to increase the national debt from 14.0 trillion to 23.5 trillion over ten years by throwing the economy and the currency under the bus.
——————-

Fixed.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
3:09 pm

jm

I want a death match to the end. No holds barred!!!!! If people want to act like brainless jackasses, we’d be better off without them. I want a country full of thinking people, not just those who regurgitate bumper sticker slogans.

Normal

I haven’t hit 40 yet. Still climbing the hill…. :)

NoCom

Not deadly enough. I want a permanent end to the jackassery. If we can’t talk people out of it, then we just have to stamp it out by any means necessary!!

getalife

April 6th, 2011
3:09 pm

All those countries risking their lives for freedom look to us for leadership and they want to shut it down even if the troops do not get paid..

I guess they want more Irans.

Way to go gop.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:10 pm

“Cue: Harry’s come back “then you aren’t very smart”

You said it, not me.

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
3:11 pm

Man, because of those greedy corporate b@stards, I had to go out and by an iphone with all the 4G options in my plan. I make $10.00 an hour. Man I hate those guys.

They'll have to ride in the back

April 6th, 2011
3:11 pm

$30 billion and even $60 billion are chump change compared to the cuts that are needed to balance the budget. Just shows our politicians still don’t get it.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:11 pm

AmVet @ 2:53…

I don’t know whether to laugh at you, or just feel sorry for you. Generally I do both.

jm

April 6th, 2011
3:11 pm

AmVet 3:08- here ya go…. if you go, please tell us whether you decide to cross dress or not. One other problem, they don’t say how to RSVP. So you should probably just show up.

The Georgia Federation of Democratic Women invite you to share your inner “Diva” at their Spring meeting!

* Date: Saturday, April 16
* Time: 11am – 2pm
* Where: Cameron Hall, 1035 Green St. SE, Conyers GA 30012 (map)
* Theme: “Celebrating Your Inner Diva”

We’ll have a silent auction, and a special prize for the most creative Diva. Wear your hats and boas to this festive event!

Come enjoy your fellow Democrats and spend a day filled with fun and progressive fellowship.

Lunch is $21 per person; please RSVP by April 9th!

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
3:12 pm

More Irans? Like the one the Idiot Messiah does nothing about?

Idiot Messiah: Do-nothing coward.

Common Sense isn't very Common

April 6th, 2011
3:12 pm

SoCo – then start by executing all that do not unstand the history and causes of the War of Northern Agression and Yankee Sharis.

:-)

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
3:12 pm

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
3:05 pm
Ryans Road Kill Plan manages to reduce the national debt from 14.0 trillion to 13.9 trillion over ten years by throwing millions of poor, disabled and elderly under their buses. There are your compassionate conservatives-taxpayer

There ya have it! Another shining example of obscenely ridiculous rhetoric based on not one iota of factual evidence. The ole “conservatives want to kill poor, elderly, and disabled people” card.

carlosgvv

April 6th, 2011
3:13 pm

Thulsa Doom

I was talking about “pure” Communism and Socialism. China is officially Communist but has a limited amount of Capitalism, as does Vietnam and India.

Harry Callahan

I can only wonder on what planet you live. Or, maybe you are one of those rich who look down on anyone not as fortunate as you.

jm

April 6th, 2011
3:13 pm

“not just those who regurgitate bumper sticker slogans.”

Like “Hope and Change”? :)

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:14 pm

“They think they can get their way when half the country does not agree with them and think they are insane.

You can’t reason with them with facts.

They ignore facts and will never admit their failures.”

Sounds like Obama and his health care bill to me.

Just sayin’………………

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
3:14 pm

getalife

Yeah…go and listen to the little ones…you’ll get some fresh ideas without fancy-shmancy verbal two-stepping.

FRED
Thanks for that vote for Adam and our younguns…DDR is another one…on both counts I was bowled over when I found out how old they were…of course, I’ve got my own children in that age bracket, so I feel a certain paternal protective instinct…

SoCo
Funny, but I never think of you in terms of the age I now know you to be…I’ve always seen you as a “peer”…not that there’s any great compliment in that!

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
3:15 pm

Lil’ Larry Bailout,

The man who calls it like he sees it. Welcome back Larry.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
3:15 pm

Harry, are you “fortunate”?

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
3:15 pm

Man, because of the conservatives, I went and got a $180,000 interest only loan and now the evil, greedy bank is taking it from me. Man, I thought my $10hr pay would cut it. It is their fault. Not mine!

mm

April 6th, 2011
3:15 pm

Where are all those jobs the GOP promised before the election?

They’ve been too busy overreaching on idealist BS laws.

Well, the writning is on the wall. Two GOP defeats in Wisconsin yesterday is only the beginning. There will be more defeats in the ensuing recalls.

And this latest GOP blunder, the Ryan budget plan, will probably wipe them out nationally in 2012. That’s pretty brazen to try to dismantle Medicare after lying during campaigns that the Dems were trying to do it.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
3:16 pm

NoCom

That’s a possibility. Research will need to be performed to see how many of the brainless can be removed in that manner. Targeting would be a priority as the loss of innocent life would need to be minimal. :)

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
3:16 pm

Thanks, Thulsa, but it’s “Barry”, not Larry!

I enjoy your work here as well. Keep giving them the truth and making them think it’s hell!

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:17 pm

“Man, because of those greedy corporate b@stards, I had to go out and by an iphone with all the 4G options in my plan. I make $10.00 an hour. Man I hate those guys.”

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
3:17 pm

josef

Thanks, so now I’m an old f@rt… Guess it matches the gray in my beard. :)

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:17 pm

LMAO at BMDPD…it’s so true…

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
3:17 pm

Man, if it weren’t for those conservatives, I would have never started smoking pot or drinking too much. It is their fault I lost my job.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
3:18 pm

I always thought SoCo was older than me.

But then, I always though Jay was older than me.

jm

April 6th, 2011
3:19 pm

“They’ve been too busy overreaching on idealist BS laws.”

Obamacare anyone?

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
3:19 pm

No worries Hairy, enjoy your laughter. It is very likely coming to an end soon.

Then there will be much rejoicing…

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
3:20 pm

There are no Medicare cuts in Ryan’s plan. Spending increases every year.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:20 pm

“Harry, are you “fortunate”?

If finsihing school, not abusing drugs, not having kids out of wedlock, not breaking the law, putting myself through college, getting a master’s degreee, working 15 years for the same company, saving 15% of my income for retirement, living in a modest home, and not having any debt are “fortunate” then yes, I guess I’m fortunate.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
3:20 pm

Damn Dave, you too???? :)

For the record, I’ll be 38 in July.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
3:20 pm

I’ll just call him HarryHandout. Cause once Harry gets going he just hands out blog beatdowns. The one directed at AmVet at 3:11 was wayyyyy too funny. Dirty Harry may be good too. Go ahead punks. Make his day.

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
3:21 pm

Man, because of those corporations, I had unprotected sex 315 times and I have 6 kids from different daddies, and now the government has to take care if me. Man, I hate conservatives!

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:22 pm

“No worries Hairy, enjoy your laughter. It is very likely coming to an end soon.”

I have some bad news for you AmVet…if Obama/Pelosi/reid get their way, and pass everything they want, it’s going to be people like YOU who are the most screwed, not me. You’re just not bright enough to have fiugured it oout yet.

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
3:22 pm

Switzerland has long had in place a profitable banking industry and an obscenely low corporate tax rate- lots of U.S. companies hiding profits there.

I think it’s less to do with low taxes, and more to do with historical experience and expertise. They played their military/diplomatic cards well for centuries, accumulated a lot of wealth, treated their citizens very well, etc.

That said, it’s a funny example of a “socialist” state, given that within Europe (at least in my experience) it’s probably considered the most conservative on the continent. They didn’t allow women to vote in national elections until 1971, for example.

Don’t lie. I know ya do.

Not to brag, but I don’t need to go travel abroad when I’ve already got it at home, dude.

Anyway, looks like Sweden’s tourism only accounts for 3.1 percent of its GDP.

http://partner.visitsweden.com/en/Start-page/About-us/Our-assignment/Our-assignment/

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
3:22 pm

BMDPD, don’t forget how those eeeevil corporations forced you to bring a couple of new mouths to feed into the world, just so’s you’d have to go and buy their overpriced highly processed foods!

@@

April 6th, 2011
3:22 pm

Adam:

As long as she’s not old enough to be your Mama. It’s at that point when I begin to view it as abnormal. Don’t let the gap go beyond 10 though. Nowadays 11 or 12 is old enough to be your Mama.

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
3:22 pm

No Harry, that is personal responsibility. I am surprised that evil corporate america and the conservatives didn’t ruin you life too!

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
3:23 pm

Oops, ya beat me to it.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
3:23 pm

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
3:19 pm
No worries Hairy, enjoy your laughter. It is very likely coming to an end soon.

Then there will be much rejoicing-AmVet

But for now there’s just wailing and gnashing of teeth by AmVet.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
3:23 pm

Common

There you are you trouble-making SOB! Liked that Yankee Sharia, did you? I don’t think the Ursuline Imam Torquemada was awfully fond of it, though!

SoCo
Thass alright…just wait until mine and your revisionist history comes out! Why, we might even get to be Majors and not just Privates… :-)

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
3:24 pm

BMDPD,

Don’t forget its also them evil cons that make poor people spend all their money on lottery tickets.

jm

April 6th, 2011
3:25 pm

If there’s one thing we all hate, its those evil capitalists and corporations. Right?!
—-
KKR, architect of the nasty takeover in Bryan Burrough and John Helyar’s “Barbarians at the Gate: The Fall of RJR Nabisco,” hired EDF’s Elizabeth Seeger to help wean companies off carbon. TPG has put 10 of its acquisitions, or about a quarter of its holdings, on low-energy diets. Washington-based Carlyle Group, the world’s second-largest private-equity firm, behind New York-based Blackstone Group LP, weighs such ideas as whether ecofriendly packaging can trim shipping costs before it inks a deal.

http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a5F6Xwa28RJk&pos=6

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:25 pm

“But for now there’s just wailing and gnashing of teeth by AmVet.”

OMG, Coca-Cola meet keyboard…damn that was funny…

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
3:25 pm

Because corporate america fired my Dad for blogging on ajc during work, I now have to get grants to go to college! Man they sure do have it out for the middle class!

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
3:28 pm

SFD

“The Swiss who are not so much a nation as a small, clean, quite solvent business…”
–William Faulkner

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:29 pm

“No Harry, that is personal responsibility. I am surprised that evil corporate america and the conservatives didn’t ruin you life too!”

The evil corporation I work for provide me a nice airconditioned office, clean restrooms, a six-figure salary, excellent health and insurance benefits for my entire family, and matches 8% of my income into my 401(k). That 401(k), by the way, is growing nicely thanks to the profits enjoyed by the 1,000 other evil corporations in the U.S. Large Cap index fund I have some of it invested in.

How are they evil again????

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
3:29 pm

” Two GOP defeats in Wisconsin yesterday is only the beginning. ”

Oh? Has the rigging of the outcome been acccomplished already, mm? I thought they’d at least put on the pretense of a recount attempt before mysteriously finding all those extra votes to put the lib over the top.

Lil' Barry Bailout

April 6th, 2011
3:30 pm

Your description of the Swiss is full of holes.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
3:30 pm

Sorry, SoCo. Some people just type “old”, ya know? :D

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
3:30 pm

AmVet

“But for now there’s just wailing and gnashing of teeth by AmVet.”

See, now they want to degrade our cultural heritage!

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:31 pm

“The Swiss who are not so much a nation as a small, clean, quite solvent business…”

To quote the late, great Lewis Grizzard, “Delta is ready when you are.”

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
3:32 pm

josef

We’ll probably surpass Major, if we survive. I’m sure we’ll really push the establishment over the edge.

Normal

April 6th, 2011
3:32 pm

SoCo,
According to statistics, you are on top of the hill at 38 and a half…But do what I did…didn’t like the way I was going so I turned around and started back the way I came. My next birthday, I’ll be 12… ;)

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
3:32 pm

Well Harry, they must be evil, because…. Well…because people like sfd, AmVet, Jay Bookman, Southern Comfort, Granny, liz, etc…. say so. Don’t you know that liberals are right! How dare you question them?

jm

April 6th, 2011
3:33 pm

The stock market rallies, while the government approaches shutdown…. hmmm….

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
3:35 pm

HARRY

Six figure income, eh? I’m still trying to do something about that pesky decimal point in mine…

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
3:35 pm

stands for decibels,

I think it’s less to do with low taxes, and more to do with historical experience and expertise. They played their military/diplomatic cards well for centuries, accumulated a lot of wealth, treated their citizens very well- STANDS FOR DECIBALS

I would agree with that statement on Switzerland. These are some inherent built in advantages that they’ve accumulated over time. I’m not sure how socialist they are- I was simply told by a very liberal friend that Switzerland is a shining example of socialism so I just took his word at it. The other economic info we both kind of knew about.

Swedish tourism- I was kinda joking about their tourism and using tall, hot blonde women as an example. Sweden is a nice place to visit but due to climate it only goes so far as a tourist destination. I do know a little about their social health system.

One thing that people don’t realize here is that socialist nations like Sweden religiously guard their social svcs and especially their health care system. You cannot go there any appreciable amount of time without your own travel health insurance- its required. Our Medicaid system and Medicare to a lesser degree get abused horrifically by foreigners who have kids here in the U.S. I know the scam well.

They come, claim that they live with their kids, get medicaid since they have no job, and go home. In the event an operation is needed such as a knee replacement or gall bladder, etc. they simply fly back to the U.S., act like they’ve been here all along, and get it paid for by Medicaid. We are without a doubt the world’s biggest suckers and any legal immigrant will tell you because they’ve seen how others abuse the system.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
3:35 pm

“My next birthday, I’ll be 12…”

(Don’t . . . ) (Do NOT swing at that hanging curve . . . ) (Keep your fingers away from the keyboard, Dave . . . )

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
3:37 pm

Hillbilly said it best last night at 10:08.

stands, Switzerland is one big postcard. Virtually, everywhere you look, it is worthy of photographing.

Universal healthcare at its best.

And the fondue is to die for…

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
3:37 pm

Sorry, SoCo. Some people just type “old”, ya know?

LMAO!!! It’s just the wisdom of paying attention to history and learning from the mistakes of others. I just wish there were more who practiced that.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:38 pm

“Six figure income, eh? I’m still trying to do something about that pesky decimal point in mine…”

Don’t worry, you’re a teacher right? You can retire at age 55 with 60% of your salary every year until you die, whereas I and my employer have been paying a collective 12.4% of my pay into social security since I got my first job at age 15, I’ll have to work until I’m 67 or older, and I’ll get $1,500 per month, or about 10% of my pay.

All on my taxpayer dime.

And I didn’t get my summers off.

Not that I’m bitter about it or anything

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
3:38 pm

There ya have it! Another shining example of obscenely ridiculous rhetoric based on not one iota of factual evidence. The ole “conservatives want to kill poor, elderly, and disabled people” card.

If you wanted a linkee, Thulsa, you could have just asked. Here ya go. And here are a few key points from the linkee:

Over the next decade, Ryan (R-Wis.) wants to cut $389 billion from Medicare, the public health insurance program for seniors. Over the same period, Ryan’s budget puts $735 billion less toward Medicaid, which benefits Americans too poor to afford private insurance. Discretionary spending on domestic programs is also reduced by $923 billion.

Ryan’s budget proposal would bring the debt held by the public to $13.9 trillion by 2016 and $16 trillion by 2021, compared to $15 trillion in 2016 and $19 trillion in 2021 under the president’s proposal.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
3:40 pm

According to statistics, you are on top of the hill at 38 and a half

:shock:
I’ll be the exception to the rule. I’ll crest at around 50…….

Common Sense isn't very Common

April 6th, 2011
3:41 pm

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
3:23 pm
Common

There you are you trouble-making SOB! Liked that Yankee Sharia, did you? I don’t think the Ursuline Imam Torquemada was awfully fond of it, though!

————-

Shouldn’t you be at school this week? LOL

It’s fun to poke the bruin in his cage!

As long as I run faster than you I’m ok :-)

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
3:42 pm

Man, I hate conservatives! They are trying to force budget cuts on the government without compromise, but it is ok for the left do to that with healthcare. It was needed, and I agree with their opinion.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
3:42 pm

“Well Harry, they must be evil, because….”

BMDPD, never speak for me, or on my behalf. You are not remotely qualified.

Even in your silly game of intentionally misspeaking for me.

stands for decibels

April 6th, 2011
3:42 pm

Lyin’ Ryan sheetsies.

also:

they must be evil, because…. Well…because people like sfd, …. say so.

cite please.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
3:43 pm

SoCo

We’ll just publish it under the name Salman “Bubba” Rushdie and save certain folks the trouble of, well, you know…

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
3:43 pm

Man, that Ryan guy. He is trying to take money away from my grandpa. My grandpa needs that money. He spent all of his on beer and women. Now he needs the government to take care of him!

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
3:43 pm

Not that I’m bitter about it or anything

Coulda fooled me….

I and my employer have been paying a collective 12.4% of my pay into social security since I got my first job at age 15, I’ll have to work until I’m 67 or older, and I’ll get $1,500 per month, or about 10% of my pay.

Sounds like you made a poor choice in jobs. You shoulda became a teacher instead. You wouldn’t have the six-figure income, but you’d have the pension, right? You wouldn’t have the supplimental income to enjoy life while you’re young and able, but you’d sure be able to be “the man” in the retirement home with that “fat” government pension, huh?

TaxPayer

April 6th, 2011
3:44 pm

$1500 a month after you reach 67. Wow. That’s pitiful.

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
3:45 pm

Sorry AmVet and SFD, I am merely exposing some of the weaknesses of your typical arguments. I should not have mentioned you by name. I apologize if I offended you.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:45 pm

Question for josef nix or any of hte other “public servants” on this blog…

If your party (Democrats) are telling me that Social Security is vital to the health of our nation, and that any opposition to Social Security amounts to ahtred of hte poor and hte elderly, don’t you think you teachers and such ought to give up those evil pensions, start paying into Social Security like me, and keep working until you’re 67? It just seems like that would be the right thing for the country.

@@

April 6th, 2011
3:45 pm

We’ll have a silent auction, and a special prize for the most creative Diva. Wear your hats and boas to this festive event!

Actually I can see where AmVet would fit in quite well. It’s all the rage, don’tcha know? And the berating other women. I’m tellin’ ‘ya…..IT’S TO DIE FOR!!!!!

This conservative woman would rather hang out with the guys. Less baggage.

Off to see what’s goin’ on in the bigger world–the vast unknown.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
3:45 pm

AmV: BMDPD, never speak for me, or on my behalf. You are not remotely qualified.

I figured he threw my name in there so he could see what it was like to be a Black man in America. Otherwise, he’d have to go lay in a tanning bed and worry about melanoma getting him. :)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
3:46 pm

Paul Ryan’s Absurdly Optimistic Budget Projections Draw Widespread Ridicule

2.8% unemployment? $150 billon a year in new economic growth? Tax revenues that rise with tax cuts?

All this can be yours — and more! — even while cutting trillions of dollars from the federal government and lowering taxes on the wealthy and corporations, according to a giddy estimate of the Republican budget by the conservative Heritage Foundation. Even as Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) proudly touted his “fact-based budget” and decried Democrats’ “budget gimmicks” yesterday, he prominently cited the think tank’s absurdly rosy numbers, drawing widespread mockery from economists, budget experts, and health care wonks. Even the developer of the model that Heritage used to crunch the numbers can’t figure out how Heritage reached its conclusions.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
3:47 pm

WHAT UP!!!!!!

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:47 pm

“BMDPD, never speak for me, or on my behalf. You are not remotely qualified.

Even in your silly game of intentionally misspeaking for me.”

We wouldn’t have to speak for you if you’d just give us a straight answer on your position regarding socialism.

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
3:48 pm

Harry, this one I will be serious with. Not all public servants are over paid. Many make much less than their counter parts. Also, I have known a few the meet the mold of ‘typical government worker’, but for the most part, they are very dedicated. Also, take a look at what happens to my military retirement when I reach Social security age.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
3:48 pm

Taxpayer,

So small cuts in the programs equates to killing people? Um. No. It just means that the oldest generation, which has by far more wealth than any other generation, has to pay a litte bit more for their care. That’s all. As for Medicaid it just means the same- that perhaps someone who has a $0 copay on everything will have to pay a $2 copay. You ever seen someone’s medicaid benefits taxpayer? I got it right here in front of me. $0 copay for practically anything. Even a heart triple bypass. Do you not think its reasonable that everyone should have to pay something? Even if its only $2 or $5?

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
3:48 pm

BMDPD, apology accepted.

If you have any questions about the weaknesses of my arguments, imagined or otherwise, just ask me. I’m sure I can clarify them.

Thanks…

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:48 pm

“You shoulda became a teacher instead. ”

I’d be a great one, no doubt, but I don’t work for leftist masters.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
3:49 pm

common

Spring break…but I miss my little ones, so I come here…

Thulsa

60% of my salary from the public schools is hardly anything to count on for my retirement…

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
3:50 pm

Man, I wonder if hotties like Reno or Napolitano will be at that banquet.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
3:50 pm

Public sector employee here…

While the Democratic Party is NOT my party, nor the GOP, I already pay into Social Security, and have been doing so since the age of 16. My position was just granted law enforcement retirement benefits back in 2008, which means a mandatory retirement at 57 with 20 yrs of service. However, I still don’t collect SS until I hit my 60’s, and it will be 67 if I want my full benefits. The problem for me is that, going by average mortality rates, I’ve probably already paid more into SS than I will receive as Blacks, and males, tend to die before others.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
3:50 pm

“If you have any questions about the weaknesses of my arguments, imagined or otherwise, just ask me. I’m sure I can clarify them.”

Where did you go to college?

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:51 pm

“Harry, this one I will be serious with. Not all public servants are over paid. ”

I know that. My mom was career federal government. It’s the state and local that are bankrupting everyone, hence the situation in Wisconsin. Although, let’s be serious, there are some egregious examples in federal bureaucracy as well.

No one I know begrudges military pensions or pay.

My mom is a conservative, by the way.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
3:51 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

April 6th, 2011
3:46 pm
Paul Ryan’s Absurdly Optimistic Budget Projections Draw Widespread Ridicule

Your right keep up. Perhaps we should just stand by, do nothing, and just let the country drift into insolvency. Great idea there keep up. BTW- still here! BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAH

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:52 pm

“If you have any questions about the weaknesses of my arguments, imagined or otherwise, just ask me. I’m sure I can clarify them.”

Where do you stand on socialism?

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
3:52 pm

I have lots of Federal buddies that are extremely conservative. I have good friends in the FBI and NCIS. Almost all are conservative.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
3:53 pm

I’d be a great one, no doubt, but I don’t work for leftist masters.

Sometimes, hubris is man’s greatest limitation.

Common Sense isn't very Common

April 6th, 2011
3:54 pm

Josef – But by coming here you lower your resistance to an overwhelming desire to slap someone LOL (not good for a teacher).

Someone called me middle aged the other day (I replied, Only if I live to 105) :-)

SoCo you are OLD LMAO

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
3:54 pm

Harry

Where did you get the idea I was a Democrat?

Thulsa

“I’d be a great one, no doubt…”

A rabbi who must praise himself has a congregation of one.

Dusty

April 6th, 2011
3:55 pm

Not much new here today. The same ol’ stuff is said. Something like conservatives hate everybody and liberals want to die in debtors prison. (Where’s Dickens when you need him?) In the meantime, affluent bloggers spend the day blogging while Bookman smiles at HIS success, i.e. shooting fish in a barrel.

In the meantime, 200 immigrants from Libya drown on an escape boat to Italy. They were already immigrants in Libya from other countries and now escaping more peril. And we are here arguing brainlessly about what we consider bad in the USA! This would be paradise for those people. We should think about our blessings sometimes.

Dave R.

April 6th, 2011
3:55 pm

“Where do you stand on socialism?”

With two boots firmly on it’s collectivist neck! :D

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
3:56 pm

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
3:49 pm
common

Spring break…but I miss my little ones, so I come here…

Thulsa

60% of my salary from the public schools is hardly anything to count on for my retirement…

josef nix,

What? I don’t think I said anything about teachers or their salaries. But if you’re talking about retirement 60% is a standard figure. In the military its 50% of base pay for retirement. And if you are disabled you onl get 60% of your pre-disability income. The theory is that when you retire you don’t need as much income for everyday expenses such as raising kids, etc. Also it is assumed that you’ve invested in other things such as IRAs over the years to complement the 60%. Not sure why you directed this at me though.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:56 pm

“60% of my salary from the public schools is hardly anything to count on for my retirement…”

If you like math (and who doesn’t?) try the following excercise one day…

Let’s say you’re making $50K when you retire as a teacher. 60% of $50K is $30K. Take $30K times 12 years (age 55 to 67) which is $180K. Add that to the annual difference between $30K and whatever pitiful amount Social Security pays, and multipl taht times however many years you figure to live after age 67.

Then add in the 12.4% everyone else pays into SS that you don’t pay, and calculate what that would be worth by age 67.

Then factor in that you don’t work summers.

Then get back to us on how under-paid you are. And if you still think you’re underpaid, tell us why you decided to be a teacher.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:57 pm

“Sometimes, hubris is man’s greatest limitation.”

Somebody tell Obama, quick……………….

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
3:57 pm

ooops
Sorry, that rabbi one @ 3:54 should have been to Harry and the Democrat one to Thulsa…they all sound alike, you know…

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:58 pm

“What? I don’t think I said anything about teachers or their salaries”

No, that was me.

Southern Comfort (aka The Man)

April 6th, 2011
3:59 pm

SoCo you are OLD LMAO

:mad:
I know you are, but what am I…..
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
3:59 pm

Thulsa

@ 3:56

Right…I keep mixing y’all up see my 3:57…

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
3:59 pm

“Where did you get the idea I was a Democrat?”

LOL.

Who did you vote for in the 2008 and 2010 elections?

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
4:01 pm

Anybody seen AmVet? He said he’d be happy to tell us his positions on anything then he disappeared?

WOW

April 6th, 2011
4:01 pm

Did Keep ever figure out that ebonics issue?

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
4:02 pm

josef nix,

You confused me with WOW. I think he was the one who asked if you were a Democrat.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
4:02 pm

josef, you know things really stink around here when the blog’s paragons of moderation and patience, Southern Comfort, Paul and Hillbilly Deluxe are all completely fed up with these cretins…

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
4:03 pm

WOW,

Keep up has been busying himself trying to get me banned. If you can’t beat em try to silence them. He’s your typical lib. He loves free speech but only when its his free speech.

Dusty

April 6th, 2011
4:04 pm

While you folks straighten out who gets paid what in retirement, I want you to know that the BRAVES LOST last night. Just a temporary thing. They don’t want to be show offs!!

Common Sense isn't very Common

April 6th, 2011
4:04 pm

I’m ancient (along with Jay) oops

only 13 more years till retirement and living off all you youngsters contributions to SS. :-)

DawgDad

April 6th, 2011
4:06 pm

Harry:

Growth of your 401K and the wealth you have stashed away there is a big problem from the libs perspective. They want to control your retirement income, tax your income/contributions now, and sieze your wealth in general. Reference the recent AJC published discussion of State pension plans, where the touted experts say 401Ks are not preferred to defined benefit plans (which are largely Ponzi schemes, beloved by the libs).

WOW

April 6th, 2011
4:06 pm

“You confused me with WOW. I think he was the one who asked if you were a Democrat.”

When did I do that?

“Keep up has been busying himself trying to get me banned. If you can’t beat em try to silence them. He’s your typical lib. He loves free speech but only when its his free speech.”

Keep is a lot like AmVet. Both spewing lies and pretending to be smart at the same time.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
4:06 pm

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
4:02 pm
josef, you know things really stink around here when the blog’s paragons of moderation and patience, Southern Comfort, Paul and Hillbilly Deluxe are all completely fed up with these cretins…-AmVet

Adding to his list of feats AmVet now can read the minds and emotions of other bloggers.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
4:06 pm

“Southern Comfort, Paul and Hillbilly Deluxe are all completely fed up with these cretins…”

Actually SOCO and I are cool. I’ve never had a problem with Hillbilly. Paul?

Why do you lie, Vet?

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
4:07 pm

Harry

A few years back the APS wasted some of your dime doing a salary review claiming we were aiming for “world class.” My position requires me to keep a time-activity log. I did the math on hours put in on a 12 month schedule (which I work) and my salary. It came out to a little over $2,00 an hour, and on a world scale for my profession it put me in the ranks of Albania, Algeria and Ethiopia…they didn’t like that much and a fat lot of good it did…I got no increase, but I’m still “world class!”

BMDPD

April 6th, 2011
4:07 pm

See ya! I will be back to cause more hate and discontent tomorrow!

Dusty

April 6th, 2011
4:07 pm

THULSA & WOW,

Please don’t get banned. I like your independent spirit.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
4:07 pm

Hey Dusty,

The Braves are expected to do big things this year! Good pitching, sound defense and a daunting looking 3 – 6 in the batting order.

Bu as the old baseball adage goes, “That’s why they play them”…

WOW

April 6th, 2011
4:07 pm

“fed up with these cretins”

Thulsa, did Jay not write something about name calling? Yep, I believe he did.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
4:08 pm

WOW, sorry dude but I thought it was you who asked if he was a Dem. Who knows?

WOW

April 6th, 2011
4:09 pm

“Please don’t get banned. I like your independent spirit.”

Dusty, Jay cut me off earlier because I went over 15 posts. I sent Jay an e-mail and apologized and explained what happened.

I’m not name calling so I don’t see why Jay would ban me.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
4:09 pm

Harry

Didn’t vote for the Democrats or the Republicans either one…and, yes, I voted and for whom is my business given the secret ballot (Thank you Australia for that little innovation!)

WOW

April 6th, 2011
4:10 pm

Thulsa Doom

It’s alright. Earlier UK called me a bigot for making an observation about how some black people talk. It was funny because it led to two whole pages of people talking about ebonics.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
4:11 pm

Dusty

Milwaukee must have had a great pitcher pitching last night because he completely shut them down. Lowe and the Braves pitchers did a fine job at only allowing one run in the entire game.

It’s gonna be a fun year.

Dusty

April 6th, 2011
4:12 pm

JOSEF,

Didn’t you decide to teach because the money did not matter? NO?

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
4:13 pm

Thulsa, Harry and WOW

Please forgive me the confusion…being a reactionary is not easy, as y’all know…

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
4:19 pm

DUSTY

For the record, yes I did. For the record…I spent the first years that Unmentionable and I were together working in the corporate arena supporting us while he got established. When he was he came to me and said that it was now my time to do whatever it was I wanted to. I had always wanted to teach. So, that’s where I went. I have never been “dependent” on the public school salary, something more than once I have had to remind the powers that be there when speaking up and out…they don’t have my lifestyle by the cajones and it gives me the blessed freedom to be uppity…

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
4:20 pm

josef nix,

Reactionary? Ultra conservative would be better but reactionary?

getalife

April 6th, 2011
4:20 pm

“Harry, are you “fortunate”?”

There is your sign .

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
4:20 pm

So Bristol P made a cool $262,000 as an “ambassador” to the Candie’s foundation – a group that promotes abstinence to teenagers?

Niiice.

Maybe her next gig will be with Christine what’s her face to promote no-diddling zones…

getalife

April 6th, 2011
4:23 pm

They have ruined this blog and good people are leaving.

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
4:23 pm

Reactionary?

Spot on description, josef.

I’ve used that word many times as a much more accurate replacement for the grossly misused adjective – conservative.

reactionary –adjective
1. of, pertaining to, marked by, or favoring reaction, especially extreme conservatism or rightism in politics; opposing political or social change.

Aka, stuck in the 1950s…

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
4:24 pm

DUSTY

On another topic, did you catch Anderson Cooper’s calls to eman al-obeidy and her mom last p.m. They kept asking him to give their thanks to “the United States and the American people.” It was nice to hear. One brave woman, she….

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
4:25 pm

josef nix,

Maybe you misunderstand. No one looks down on teachers or govt workers for that matter. Some of us just aren’t a big fan of teacher’s unions. I would be one of them. Fan of teachers but not of large teacher’s or govt unions. That’s all. And for the record my sister is a teacher, mother retired as a state employee. I also think state and federal workers work very hard. I’ve known FBI agents and other federal workers who work rings around private sector people. My quarrel is with the growth of bureaucracy- not good hard working people.

Dusty

April 6th, 2011
4:25 pm

WOW,

Bookman rejects namecalling (he says) unless it is one of the liberal leaning lacky club doing it. Otherwise, he gets picky…wants everything clean and charitable…Yeah!!

You are right about the Braves. A fun year ahead!

AMVET.

I have a super good feeling about the Braves. A mighty fine team! I haven’t checked my crystal ball yet but the vibrations are good!!! (Or maybe those vibes were Japanese after shocks! Uh oh!)

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
4:26 pm

OY!

I was calling MYSELF a reactionary!!! :-)

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
4:26 pm

“Harry:

Growth of your 401K and the wealth you have stashed away there is a big problem from the libs perspective. They want to control your retirement income, tax your income/contributions now, and sieze your wealth in general.”

Yes, they want me to be a slave on their plantation. I’m not playing along.

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
4:27 pm

“So Bristol P made a cool $262,000 as an “ambassador” to the Candie’s foundation – a group that promotes abstinence to teenagers?

Niiice.

Maybe her next gig will be with Christine what’s her face to promote no-diddling zones…”

Maybe you could stop diddling long enought to tell us how much Michelle Obama earned working at that hospital, and what she did to earn it…

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
4:28 pm

Someone’s always got to stoop to taking potshots at a 19 year old like Bristol Palin. Stay classy there buddy.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
4:28 pm

Thulsa

You may have missed what I had to say about teacher’s unions and the right to strike during the Wisconsin set-to…and Georgia does not have teacher’s unions contrary to what many think…

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
4:28 pm

“They have ruined this blog and good people are leaving.”

Liberals, when confronted with facts, generally try to squelch free speech. failing that, they turn and run.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
4:30 pm

“They have ruined this blog and good people are leaving.”

Like who?

“Liberals, when confronted with facts, generally try to squelch free speech. failing that, they turn and run.”

EXACTLY!!!!!!

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
4:31 pm

DUSTY
@ 4:25

Well, L’il Barry’s still here…and that’s all I’ve got to say about that since I’m not out to go Bear poking on that one, but….

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
4:31 pm

Harry Callahan,

A more interesting discussion would be how much money Obama and Michelle donated to charity in the year and previous couple years of running for the presidency. I believe it was a paltry $3,000 in 2007.

Joe Biden was even more shameful. During the election cycle he had donated all of $1,000 the year before. Typial Democrats. Very generous!-with other people’s money that is. Their own money? Well now that’s a whole other story.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
4:31 pm

You mean welch.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
4:32 pm

Michael Moore,

Here of the left made a cool 16 million on his last film. So what did he do? Turned around and sued the producers saying he was owed another 3 mill. Ya just can’t make this liberal hypocrisy up.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
4:33 pm

“did you catch Anderson Cooper”

Did he ever recover from that Muslim beat down in Egypt? Muslims don’t like gays but I guess he didn’t realize that going in.

WOW

April 6th, 2011
4:33 pm

“Michael Moore,”

He’ll die from a heart attack in the next 8-10 years. No way someone that fat can live like that.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
4:35 pm

Wow,

Christie.

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
4:36 pm

WOW

It was the t-shirt! :-)

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
4:38 pm

josef nix,

I don’t remember what you said about the teacher’s unions. I’m for the teacher’s having a union- I just think that it certain states California in particular that they have become so powerful and so unreasonable in demands that its one of the main factors bankrupting that state.

The union saved my sister from losing her job when she couldn’t work due to black mold infestation at her school. Montgomery got hit with a 500 yr flood and standing water on the school roof ended up sickening several teachers and students. So I think the union is a good thing for the most part. I just think they can nowadays get out of hand with demands.

Get Real

April 6th, 2011
4:40 pm

getalife….and yet you remain

WOW

April 6th, 2011
4:41 pm

“Christie.’

Who is Christie?

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
4:42 pm

getalife

April 6th, 2011
4:31 pm
You mean welch.-getalife

Um. No. He meat squelch. Dictionary?

Harry Callahan

April 6th, 2011
4:45 pm

“getalife….and yet you remain”

Just like cockroaches after a nuclear attack…

josef nix

April 6th, 2011
4:49 pm

Thulsa

I’m not opposed to the professional associations and do belong to one and, yes, they have come to my “defense.”

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
4:49 pm

Harry,

You shootin fish in a barrel again?

Dusty

April 6th, 2011
4:51 pm

JOSEF,

Teaching is a calling. I taught school for one year and knew I did not have it or love it. Jobs for biology majors were scarce. So back to graduate school.

So you are a reactionary, ’specially in the afternoons before dinner!! Naw…softhearted..yeah! Rich..yes!

whoops, company coming and I gotta run. Didnt’ see anderson cooper. Was that rape victim for real! Said to be a lawyer from a big tribe. Could be. Bye…

Atlanta 1

April 6th, 2011
4:51 pm

Let’s put this in perspective folks.

The National Debt is approx. $12Trillion (with a T).

They are fighting over ‘call it’ 33 Billion Dollars one side saying it is much needed, the other side claiming gloom and doom.

In essence, they are both lying. The cuts need to be much-much deeper to impact this ‘nightmare’ and 33 Billion doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface. It is the equivalent of taking $33.00 out of a $12,000 budget. Don’t believe the math? Check it yourself.

Interesting how the word ‘hate’ found it’s way in… Jay, ‘hate’ is something both sides need to take a LONG look at. There is nothing more ‘hateful’ then a far left winger, even compared to a far right winger.

Bottomline; both parties got us into this mess. The soution involves a fundamental change in how the United States handles it’s external and internal policies. And that means ’sacred cows’ on both sides have to be dramatically changed or done away with all together.

This includes Defense, State Department, Education, Social Security and Energy (this is the only budget that should go up).

Fighting over $33B with a 12 Trillion Dollar Debt is nothing but political banter, that allows writers like this one to take shots – when most of them understand that the truth is – it’s a drop in the bucket, regardless of what they settle on.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
5:30 pm

“Just like cockroaches after a nuclear attack…”

Insult.

killerj

April 6th, 2011
5:35 pm

The Results Will Be A Leaner Government Jay,More People Out The Door Is What I Say,Come On 2012,Go Tea Party & THWG!

getalife

April 6th, 2011
5:40 pm

Good stuff Atlanta 1.

It is ridiculous but we are dealing with gop children so that is all we will get from the gop.

How about Ts rather than Bs?

April 6th, 2011
5:46 pm

Sad to say that $30 billion or $60 billion is spitting in the wind…they need to be talking about hundreds of billions to trillions of dollars in cuts NOW. President Carter had it right in the late 70s when he tried to put the government on zero based budgeting (justify why you have to spend dollar one, not why it should be last year plus 3%). He didn’t do much right, but he had the right idea there.

These ‘cuts’ being discussed here are water on a gasfire…doing nothing to put it out.

getalife

April 6th, 2011
5:49 pm

The gop took Clinton’s surplus, went 2 trillion in debt with needless a war like Iraq and handed out corporate welfare, collapsed the global economy then want to cut services for the American people.

Then they will go back to spending trillions and destroying our country.

Amazing hypocrisy is the gop.

poison pen

April 6th, 2011
6:13 pm

Getalife, if Bush is responsible for 2 Trillion in debt, then who is responsible for the other 10 Trillion??????????????

AntiBoortz

April 6th, 2011
6:19 pm

Let’s put the extended Bush era tax cuts for incomes over 250,000 back on the table. If the GOP really cares about fiscal responsibility they have to look at the revenue side too. Why should the people who are taking the most out of the system be putting the most back in?

Jerry Springer Answers to Frontline Questions

April 6th, 2011
6:26 pm

I agree with AntiBoortz. If you ask people, “What was America’s most prosperous period?” The most common response will be the 20 – 30 years after WWII. Checking my notes I find that a progressive income tax was the order of those days, and it didn’t keep America from growing and it didn’t keep people from getting rich either. To shrink the deficit we must increase government income at the same time we curtail spending.

Adam

April 6th, 2011
6:36 pm

md: There are “can’ts” and “won’ts”, and the “can’ts” would give anything in the world to trade places with the “won’ts”…

Yes. Perhaps I should have been clear. Until the GOP supports helping the poor who are the “can’ts” through government help, such as Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Unemployment, Educational grants and loans, etc., I will not be supporting that party. They could start small you know. Just stop favoring the rich and giving them tax subsidies and extra help, all while taking every possible assistance program out of the picture. That is a small step and would give me more respect for them.

Harry: It’s called personal responsibility Adam…if you truly care for others, you help them yourself…you don’t vote to make government force the top 10% to do it all.

First of all, anyopne paying taxes helps with that. Second, yes, I really do think government has a role to play here. If you want to be fair, please remind yourself that most of your tax dollar goes straight to military funding, some to Medicare and Social Security. If it makes you feel better, you could say we’re borrowing from other countries to support the programs you don’t like, as well as some that you do, since we are unwilling to tax ourselves for them.

Also Harry I saw something that indicated you think teachers don’t pay into social security. Is that what you actually think?

Liberals, when confronted with facts, generally try to squelch free speech. failing that, they turn and run.

That same statement applies to many rabid conservatives. Again, I say, painting liberals with the same brush gets you nowhere.

LBB: Wrong. Ryan’s plan cuts $5.8 trillion out of the Idiot Messiah’s $9.5 trillion in deficits over ten years (CBO estimate).

If this is a real statistic, then I stand corrected. I may not like the way he does it but numbers wise I guess it makes the point.

Adam

April 6th, 2011
6:37 pm

Fred: It’s nice to be reminded that not ALL of the younger generation are complete narcissistic brain dead oxygen thieves. It even gives hope that there are more concerned young pups out there like Adam who are willing to evaluate and learn.

One thing I’d like to add to this is that it does no good in the long run for the good of the country to single out any group for blame in order to proceed with an agenda. Whether that group is the young, gays, the poor, blacks, etc. It’s called making a scapegoat. Now I’d be willing to bet also my age group is not so much less interested in politics as they are MORE interested in working their @sses off to make a decent living. It’s tough for anyone under 30 right now, as their major has probably been removed from their school, or education cuts have removed teachers from their program, or tuition hikes have made them unable to go to school and better their lives, etc. Not to mention they have to be yes men in order to remain in their jobs that require high school education to get.

Adam

April 6th, 2011
6:37 pm

BMDPD: How ridiculous. Yes clearly all libs think that everyone should pay their way to a flat screen TV and iPhones and whatever else. Which is why they vote Democrat, so they can be handed everything in life. If you really believe that nonsense then go ahead and live off the government since it’s so awesome.

Thulsa Doom: The ole “conservatives want to kill poor, elderly, and disabled people” card.

Well, they certainly don’t want to help. They want people who feel like helping to help, but they don’t want those people to get the help if the only way they can get help is through the government. Not everyone has a faith based charity in their area, and not everyone has a family, and not everyone is going to contribute to the pot in order to help these people.

My quarrel is with the growth of bureaucracy- not good hard working people.

Then you should allow unions and collective bargaining. The first because it is a constitutional right to assemble, and the second because it allows teachers to express what they need and be heard. It does not guarantee anything but a place at the negotiation table, i.e. it’s not fiscal in and of itself. Collective bargaining means police officers get to argue their case for having two officers in a squad car in a dangerous neighborhood, and teachers get to request the supplies they need and the class sizes that they feel will help children learn the best. Why would you really want to take that ability away?

Adam

April 6th, 2011
6:38 pm

jm: “They’ve been too busy overreaching on idealist BS laws.”

Obamacare anyone?

So your argument is, the Democrats overreached so now the GOP can do that too on whatever they want?

SoCo: You wouldn’t have the six-figure income, but you’d have the pension, right?

Nah, because you would know going in that the government could take that away from you any time, right? ;)

Adam

April 6th, 2011
6:39 pm

To many of you, I ask you: If the government is so great at giving stuff to freeloaders, how come there are so many homeless people who are having trouble just finding food to eat? How come they are homeless at all? Is every single homeless and poor person there through their own fault? most? some? Tell us what you really think, and don’t forget to indicate whether you’ve ever been unable to feed yourself, for statistical purposes.

Adam

April 6th, 2011
6:39 pm

Thank you to the following for your kind words: josef, Fred, and SoCo. It is nice to know there are people on here who don’t immediately dismiss the words of a person who is younger than they are.

Whew. Sorry for the large amount of posts. I had to catch up to 5 freaking pages!

WOW

April 6th, 2011
6:46 pm

“we are dealing with gop children”

insult

Glenn Beck's Black Mistress

April 6th, 2011
7:03 pm

“The Republican leadership itself set a goal of $30 billion in cuts, and it could achieve $33 billion at this moment simply by saying yes.”

GOP and “yes” do not mix. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Obama will prevail in 2012 thanks mostly in part to the continued greed and pettiness of the GOP.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
7:05 pm

Well, they certainly don’t want to help. They want people who feel like helping to help, but they don’t want those people to get the help if the only way they can get help is through the government. Not everyone has a faith based charity in their area, and not everyone has a family, and not everyone is going to contribute to the pot in order to help these people.=Adam.

Adam.

Just about everyone has a faith based outreach program in their area. As or the assertion that not everyone has a family or a support system I say booo. Not everyone does. But darn near everyone does. There are very few people in this country who have absolutely no support network- that have absolutely no family or no one that can help them other than the nanny state.

Social Circle

April 6th, 2011
7:10 pm

“For GOP, budget talks are all about getting to ‘no’

It is time for someone to say “no” to the non-stop reckless and irresponsible federal government spending.

America’s love affair with entitlements, bailouts, grants, cradle to grave “programs”, nation building, being the world’s policeman, going to war on multiple fronts – all that cries out for some tough love.

Glenn Beck's Black Mistress

April 6th, 2011
7:12 pm

“And that means ’sacred cows’ on both sides have to be dramatically changed or done away with all together.”

Hi, my name is “Money”, and I talk. No actually, I bark. Loudly.

Thulsa Doom

April 6th, 2011
7:13 pm

teachers get to request the supplies they need and the class sizes that they feel will help children learn the best. Why would you really want to take that ability away?-Adam

Balderdash. When I went to school we had over 30 kids in our classes. Today where my sister teaches- same school I attended- they have computers, internet access, better materials all around. Oh, they also have a maximum of 17 students per teacher in the state of Alabama. Its the law if the class is majority minority. And the kids still have trouble learning though- its more the environment they come from then anything else. But then I suppose you think the nanny state can fix their culture too?

There’s really not much you can do about that type of home where the parents don’t give a hoot, there are no reading materials, no dad around, the parents don’t help kids with homework, and education isnt really a priority anyway. In Japan they have 35 students to a class and yet they still learn. People like you refuse to learn the realities of what govt can and cant do. We gotta try but the reality is that govt cant equalize out everything in life. Nor should it.

Fred

April 6th, 2011
7:20 pm

AmVet

April 6th, 2011
4:20 pm

So Bristol P made a cool $262,000 as an “ambassador” to the Candie’s foundation – a group that promotes abstinence to teenagers?

Niiice.

Maybe her next gig will be with Christine what’s her face to promote no-diddling zones…
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

That was extremely tacky Amvet. I know her mom is a far right wing nutcase, but Bristol was a little girl and “made a mistake.” Not sure what her mistake was, she did what teenagers do and got the red card. Many more don’t. But she was a little girl. So she learned she made a mistake, that’s how we ALL learn, from harsh lessons. I wish you would save your venom for the adults, MATURE adults, not the children. When Bristol reaches 30 and she is an asshat, unload on her. Before then, she as ditzy as Miley Cyrus.

I’m ashamed of you.

Glenn Beck's Black Mistress

April 6th, 2011
7:24 pm

Go to hell, Fred. And AmVet I HOPE you don’t apologize. 17 is hardly “Little girl” status. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree and Bristol is an opportunist just like her pathetic mom. Perhaps there is a slot waiting for her on MTV; she can make another quarter of a mil there, too.

oldguy

April 6th, 2011
7:31 pm

OH HORROR!!!!!!OH TRAGEDY!!!!!
Shut the government down???? How Awful!!!!!!
DO IT!!!!!
NOW!!!!!
The longer the better!!!
The more money we save!!!

Sid Farcas

April 6th, 2011
7:56 pm

Bookman, you and Tucker (the queen of racists) have many things in common. One of the traits being complete freaking idiots. It is time for fiscal responsibilty on both sides and start cutting spending. In your liberal world we continue to spend on anything and everything and keep taxing the rich and the middle class. And yes, I said middle class because with the budget the dems will want taxing the rich will not pay for it. Do you run your own home budget like you want congress to? You spend your way out of debt? Wait, you are a liberal. You would not live like you want others to, would you?

Sid Farcas

April 6th, 2011
7:59 pm

Glenn Beck’s Black Mistress

April 6th, 2011
7:24 pm

Oh goodie, another racist liberal on Bookman’s site. I bet the intelligence just pours out of your little racist fingers and right into your keyboard where you can prove to everyone what an idiiot you really are. Speaketh racist, speaketh.

Glenn Beck's Black Mistress

April 6th, 2011
8:00 pm

“Wait, you are a liberal. You would not live like you want others to, would you?”

Jinkies, you type as if you’re God almighty :-| typical neocon jerk. For Cynthia and Jay to be the town jesters, Wingfield’s place is strangely empty OFTEN.

Adam

April 6th, 2011
8:00 pm

Thulsa Doom: There are very few people in this country who have absolutely no support network- that have absolutely no family or no one that can help them other than the nanny state.

I disagree. I think even the people who have family may not necessarily have family that can help them. It could be an entire family of poor people. It’s more likely than you think…

With regard to my collective bargaining argument, you focused on class size. Yes, class size is not the only determining factor, but the difference in many areas of high population is the difference between a class size of 30 and a class size of 60 or more. Without the argument being there in certain areas, there is no way you’d go for the lower class size when all you care about is how many teachers you’re going to pay for.

I do agree that home life influences it more than that, but hey, why not fight the battles we can actually have an influence on? All other things equal, larger class sizes are not good.

Fred

April 6th, 2011
8:07 pm

“There are very few people in this country who have absolutely no support network- that have absolutely no family or no one that can help them”

Well you have just met one. NO ONE has EVER helped me do squat. I can count on no one but myself. I’m one who gives and never gets.

I guess I’m missing your point.

Glenn Beck's Black Mistress

April 6th, 2011
8:07 pm

Why don’t the neocons frequent their buddy Kyle Wingfield more often? Why do people of such superior intelligence frequent the likes of “idiots” like Jay and Cynthia sooooo incessantly?

Glenn Beck's Black Mistress

April 6th, 2011
8:08 pm

Wow, 20 pages Jay! :-) Not bad for an “idiot”.